Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TimTheVillain on September 22, 2010, 11:23:53 AM
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http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/1282/3/exclusive-%E2%80%93-collymore-%E2%80%98tv-pundits-are-not-good-enough%E2%80%99
Bang on !
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Job application? Criticise the incumbent and show off how good you'd be...
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collymore is a prick, i have now lost all respect for him again, he is slating Marlon King saying he should be be given a chance... what did collymore do a few years ago with urika ?
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TowkeSpowte in slagging off BBC shocker.
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Marlon King:
"People say to me - 'why aren't you remorseful?' You can't be remorseful for something you haven't done."
Oh really.
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I despair.
He's bang on and what has Marlon King got to do with it ?
Dear me.
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He's right, though. Shearer's contribution extends about as far as "he'll be disappointed with that" when a player misses an open goal. As for Lawro, well, there's a whole thread about how much of a twunt he is. Dixon is okay, if biased, and Keown sometimes comes up with some stuff, despite being a massive word-talker.
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Yeah, go on Stan!
He's dead right. The whole pundit line-up on the BBC needs overhauling - they have no-one on there now who provides any insight whatsover. They say nothing that the average viewer doesn't already know.
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Completely agree, well said Stan.
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But he, and dare I say it, all of you lot are missing the point. MOTD is a product of the BBC. If the BBC produced food, they would make margarine
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MOTD is bad enough, but it's high quality compared that fucking rat, Colin Murray, and his attempts at humour on MOTD2.
I'm sick to death of the whining glory hunter going on about Liverpool and his great footy-loving mates, like he's some jack the lad from the pub.
The presenters think they're bigger than the product. Show the goals, show the replays and shut fucking-well up
Not that Collymore is any different .
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Collymore certainly has a point but the fact that he works for a broadcaster that employs Irani, Quinn, Cundy, Goldstein, Gough, Gould, and Parlour rather makes it a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
I can't stand Shearer but at least he can string a sentance together, however dull and cliched the point may be.
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He's spot on. Too many pundits don't seem to realise that doing a bit of research is part of the job. They seem to stop learning about the game the moment they hang up their boots.
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I can't stand Shearer but at least he can string a sentance together
"He's went in at the far purst"
"Sensational"
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Stan Collymore is a complete example of presenters on talkshite, big headed, arrogant and thick. I am not a MOTD fan but talkshite are only interested in shocking people. They are the radio equivalant of the Daily Star.
Having said that I think Shearer is a complete waste of time and Hansen/Lawrensen belong to a different era so a freshening up of the panel is well overdue. Having seen Collymore be a pundit on Channel 5 i would rather have 15 minutes worth of ad breaks.
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Stan Collymore is a complete example of presenters on talkshite, big headed, arrogant and thick. I am not a MOTD fan but talkshite are only interested in shocking people. They are the radio equivalant of the Daily Star.
Having said that I think Shearer is a complete waste of time and Hansen/Lawrensen belong to a different era so a freshening up of the panel is well overdue. Having seen Collymore be a pundit on Channel 5 i would rather have 15 minutes worth of ad breaks.
Stan Collymore brings the name 'Aston Villa' to radio more than any other.
National radio and Villa are not normally synonymous.
That has to be a good thing, surely.
As for MOTD, it's watchable for the football but Shearer and Co. don't add much - as Stan says, they're ex. fotballers - end of !
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I agree with Collymore's comments to an extent (quite frankly, Collymore the man and his thoughts on Marlon King are irrelevant) because MOTD is safe and chummy, but I would question what you would put in its place. Personally, I could do away with the punditry altogether because it doesn't add anything for me; it just gets my back up. But other people like it partly because it gives them a clue as to what to talk about when discussing a particular match with friends, either agreeing or disagreeing. But I get all I need from pictures and commentary so I don't need Lineker and co.
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Totally spot on from Collymore. It's jobs for the boys at the BBC. Shearer and particularly Lawrenson are appaling. For a pundit to sit in a commentary box and admit that he knows nothing about the team or players that he's commentating on (In the World Cup for example) is totally unprofessional.
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I'd like to get away from the idea that you have to have been a top-level player to talk about a sport.
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I've no real problem with Shearer on MOTD. The programme isn't bout insightful musings and criticising players. Hansen had a slight remark about alcott one week and then the next he mentions it and then goes on to say how brilliant he had been in the days game doing A, or B.
Shearer is banal at best but when the programme is hosted by Lineker what can you say? Although, to be fair to him, he was a better pundit. Dixon is good, Hansen is becoming a caricature of himself, Lawrenson is himself and its all an old pals network. As i said, fair enough, they're too scared to upset anyone so you know what you're getting.
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I agree with Collymore's comments to an extent because MOTD is safe and chummy, but I would question what you would put in its place.
Anyone want "The Premiership" (a.k.a The Premiershite) back?
I like MoTD and can cope with the "experts" although Hanson made his "win nothing with kids" statement on the show fifteen years ago so maybe he and Lawro need to be culled to freshen it up.
Collymore himself is very inconsistent in his pundity - one minute making a very good point, the next talking utter cobblers.
People in glass houses and all that...
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I'd like to get away from the idea that you have to have been a top-level player to talk about a sport.
Me too, it's become nothing more than a fashion parade now ( or in Hanson's case, a 'non fashion parade')
'Look at me tan' !
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MOTD is bad enough, but it's high quality compared that fucking rat, Colin Murray, and his attempts at humour on MOTD2.
I'm sick to death of the whining glory hunter going on about Liverpool and his great footy-loving mates, like he's some jack the lad from the pub.
He's the only person i've ever felt the urge to send an abusive communication to. 5 years ago I emailed him to point out he was a c**t after he made what he thought was a 'funny' comment about Joe Strummer. He actually bothered to reply to me which gave me the opportunity to tell him once again that he is a c**t and I predicted in the next 10 years he'd be playing golf with the latter day versions of Tarby, Lynchy etc whilst forging a career in light entertainment. It's happening.
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Stan Collymore is a complete example of presenters on talkshite, big headed, arrogant and thick. I am not a MOTD fan but talkshite are only interested in shocking people. They are the radio equivalant of the Daily Star.
I agree with your shock jock point in relation to Talk Sport, but Stan is not thick at all; far from it.
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I'd like to get away from the idea that you have to have been a top-level player to talk about a sport.
BBC lost their best guy, I know he's a baggie but I loved Adrian Chiles. More of him or more footy fans please. Sod the exe pros.
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www.twitter.com/CallCollymore
You'll have to be accepted to view his tweets, but his latest few have been spot on.
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In true twitter stylie, read from the bottom up
Journalists,and the like.So I'm afraid if you rip off someones quotes,quote them fully.
rather than ripping off someones protected tweets,then also in my comments he would would have seen suggestions of great tactical brains
Martin Samuel only criticised the choice of potential panelists,not the need for change,and again,if he and his (cont) http://tl.gd/65cks9
I've got good friends at the BBC who work bloody hard but my comments were aimed solely at editorial and punditry quality of 1 show.End of.
Correction.I was at 5 live as late as 2008.
So when lazy journalists are looking for a magic bullet reason why I think MOTD is poor,I'm afraid anti BBC is not it,by a long chalk.
working for talkSPORT but out of contract,the BBC made a firm contract offer to go back to 5 live with the opportunity to do television too.
when in fact I worked for 5 live commentating and doing Monday Night Club show as late as 2007.Also at the beginning of last season,whilst
A final point on MOTD tweets which has gone unnoticed.Suggestions are that after being sacked in 2004 that I have an agenda against the BBC
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He's got a point, MoTD is too smug - and the main punditry is tired. Hansen has been a parody of himself for years (supplying a stock series of phrases), Shearer simply has nothing to say and Lawro, like the rest of them, looks peeved if he can't make his lame puns and as if being simply there is mostly an inconvenience between the rounds of golf. Dixon is a breath of fresh air by comparison, though worked better with Chiles than he does with Lineker. The Football League show is better (if they got rid of the email section) produced. Loath them or loath them, Claridge and Savage would do the trick.
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MOTD is not even in HD.. So fook it ;-))
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I'd like to get away from the idea that you have to have been a top-level player to talk about a sport.
Absolutely. As I said on the thread about Lawro there are a large percentage of people on this site whose opinions and shit puns I find to be of a higher quality than these broadcasters. Indeed, it probably is a part of what Stan is saying about their prep work. No-one would deny that when it comes to Villa us supporters know far more than these journalists. Folk on this forum have been raving about Albrighton for years. I bet Lawro and Sheila had no idea who he was at 14.59 on Saturday 14th of August.
As for what Stan says I think he is on the money. Buried deep in the rant was the idea that there should a rotation of pundits who represented more clubs. MOTD is like a Liverpool and Arsenal old boys club with occasional references to Newcastle. It's not just a Villa perspective. Where are the ex-Chelsea players, the ex-Utd players? Some theories suggest that as well as the agent scandal this is behind Ferguson's unwillingness to speak to the BBC as he thinks it is biased toward Liverpool.
Of course it is interesting when you think that he asks for more frank and opinionated pundits. Sounds just like a striker I can recall who had a spell at VP...
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Good for you Stan.
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It needs someone who isn't an ex-pro to shake up the cosy cartel. Adrian Chiles would have been good but Colin Murray isn't the answer. Shearer, Hansen and Lawrenson should all go. Out of the ones they already employ, Dixon and Claridge would be the best. The only way I would keep Shearer is if Roy Keane gets the push and is available to sit next to him. That would make for interesting chemistry.
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I like listening to Collymore, he's honest enough to admit to his mistakes and takes his job seriously enough to research & do his homework on the players he's going to be watching. To me he comes across as balanced & fair. Certainly better than Quinn or Parry.
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One of the things that didn't sit exactly right with me when Phil Thompson was offered the Villa assistant manager's position was my opinion of his punditry. While I would have supported any additions Houllier wished to make if he thought they would have been good for the club, there was always a thought nagging me which said "he talks absolute shite on telly, so why would he necessarily make a good assistant manager now?" Pundits don't necessarily have the nous to go back into the game and those that have just left the game don't necessarily have the nous to make good pundits.
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Controversial idea:
Take MOTD on the road. For example the featured game for this Sat is Wet Spam vs Cockspuds.
Have the host and one well-spoken fan from each club (preferably from a fanzine) in a studio in Upton Park
Have them talk sense.
Next week have them from White Hart Lane (Spuds vs Us) and have either DW or the Fear on the studio couch.
At a stroke you make the porgramme relatable to the viewing audience and you save licence fee money on Hansen/Shearer/Dixon/cabbage/Lawro.
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To be fair to the Gillette Soccer Sauturday 4 they do put their opinions across quite honestly and that's as much part of the success of the programme. Well, as well as Jeff.
Because its not on Freeview anymore, and my laptop is bloody broken (thank God for work days...) I had to follow the game via the BBC red button which meant Gabby Yorath, Mark Bright, and Garth Crooks. All I can say is fucking-hell.
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Just out of interest and im a little younger than most. Why does everyone hate Stan? To be fair to him for all the hate he's right!
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Anger at his wasted talent, I guess.
That and his domestic abuse episode.
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The soccer Saturday team is a good mix who work well together. They all tell it straight too. Also the humour isn't forced like Lawrenson and Hansen (not much natural rappart considering they must have played together 200 times). If the BBC red button=Yorath,Bright and Crooks I'd sooner watch teletext!
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Anger at his wasted talent, I guess.
That and his domestic abuse episode.
Well the domestic abuse was never proven was it? Fair enough for hating him for that but if we hate him for wasting talent should we start a list to hate?
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The soccer Saturday team is a good mix who work well together. They all tell it straight too. Also the humour isn't forced like Lawrenson and Hansen (not much natural rappart considering they must have played together 200 times). If the BBC red button=Yorath,Bright and Crooks I'd sooner watch teletext!
I can vouch for that, Yorath is without doubt the worst commentator ever, talks more shite than that scouse twat quinny (i think thats him). Both really make my blood boil!
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The soccer Saturday team is a good mix who work well together. They all tell it straight too. Also the humour isn't forced like Lawrenson and Hansen (not much natural rappart considering they must have played together 200 times). If the BBC red button=Yorath,Bright and Crooks I'd sooner watch teletext!
I can vouch for that, Yorath is without doubt the worst commentator ever, talks more shite than that scouse twat quinny (i think thats him). Both really make my blood boil!
She doesn't talk shite just doesn't know what she's talking about. Crooks is cringeworthy in his attempt to be white and Bright just looks like he wants the money as he is head and shoulders better than the other two clowns. But his accent means its impossible to take him seriously. Wrong thread I know, and I'll be hung for it, but he sounds gay.
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Just out of interest and im a little younger than most. Why does everyone hate Stan? To be fair to him for all the hate he's right!
Collymore has been a big Twat in the past, no doubt still can be, but i always liked him, dont know why, he just always had something likeable about him,
i can also see why people hate him,
but he was down and out at one time, with his antics and suffering depression, so to see him comeback to some sort of media succes deserves a bit of credit.
but he was not successful playing for Villa, he did have one or two memorable games when he showed what he could do, but not nearly enough.
one game he would be the best player on the pitch, then the next game he was the worse, but that was stan, and unfortunatley the times when he was crap were more regular, so yes he was a wasted talent, certainly at Villla
he seems more happy in his own skin now and thats good to see, because he definitely is a Villa fan
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Gary Lineker is a boring sod who attempts futile jokes.
Alan Shearer is another boring sod, zero personality and his voice could send you into a snooze.
Alan Hanson is actually pretty good. Makes good analysis, is fair and will even criticize Liverpool.
Lee Dixon... yawn.
To liven MOTD up they should have Gazza as presenter with Collymore and Paul Merson as the anaylistical professors.
P.S. I do not watch MOTD anymore - Football First all the way babyyy.
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I expect a few cynical retorts from the MOTD "pundits" this weekend.
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Just out of interest and im a little younger than most. Why does everyone hate Stan? To be fair to him for all the hate he's right!
13 goals in three years probably has something to do with it.
That and disparaging remarks about the club in print.
Recalling from memory but: "I attended my first ever Villa game in the old Witton Lane. It was 0-0 and I fell asleep. Perhaps it was an omen."
I think he also attributed his need to stay in the spotlight re Ulrika and all that jazz because of his move to Villa. We had a tendency to go off the radar if we weren't competing at the top end of the table, so he needed to stay in the spotlight via other methods. Or summat like that.
Think it was all included in a chapter titled Villa: Going nowhere in his Tell All cash cow. Which also includes such gems such as him viewing us as a step down, the first indication to him that his career was on the wane.
There probably are periods in our history when that would have been perfectly valid, but not in 1997. At that point we were seen as an upwardly mobile side, possible title outsiders and Stan was very much the missing piece in the jigsaw.
Yet Stan let down a lot of people, most of all himself.
Not making light of his personal issues, don't want to open up that hornets nest at all.
But even now he seems to blame everyone else but himself for what went wrong, and expresses very little remorse for destabilising the dressing room and costing Brian Little his job.
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They discussed this on drivetime yesturday, I have to say I agree with everything Stan said,
He also stated he isn't anti BBC as he turned them down last year.
Also I recall Ian Wright saying the reason he left BBC was because of the same things Stan said.
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Collymore "broadcasts" on TALKsport and is therefore in the employ of a media organisation who are in direct competition with the BBC. It will almost be part of the job description to run down anything the BBC does, just like Sky and the rest of News International will have a dig at every opportunity.
Similarly, if he was still doing presenting or summarising stints on 5 Live, he would tow Aunty's line and you wouldn't hear a word of criticism of MOTD or its presenters.
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Collymore "broadcasts" on TALKsport and is therefore in the employ of a media organisation who are in direct competition with the BBC. It will almost be part of the job description to run down anything the BBC does, just like Sky and the rest of News International will have a dig at every opportunity.
Similarly, if he was still doing presenting or summarising stints on 5 Live, he would tow Aunty's line and you wouldn't hear a word of criticism of MOTD or its presenters.
Do you honestly think Stan would be bothered about 'knocking the competition' ?
Rubbish, he's opiniated and on this occasion he's 100% correct.
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Probably teaching you to suck eggs here, but the Guardian's football podcast - I think its twice a week - is great.
It's hosted by that guy off Channel 4's Italian football with various experts depending on what they're going to talk about. They appear to know what they're on about but do it in a manner than is not condescending and also mildly amusing.
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Watching al-Qaeda Sport (ManUre v Scunthorpe) and the pundits are Lawrie McEnemy and Mark Hateley,
Hateley is grey and with earstud.
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Watching al-Qaeda Sport (ManUre v Scunthorpe) and the pundits are Lawrie McEnemy and Mark Hateley,
Hateley is grey and with earstud.
He is morphing into Phil Oakey
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BBC have to be seen as neutral and not want debate on MOTD. MOTD does need shaking up, but I won't listen to that big-headed waste of talent that is Collymore. He loves himself and thinks everyone wants to listen to what comes out of his mouth.
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Probably teaching you to suck eggs here, but the Guardian's football podcast - I think its twice a week - is great.
It's hosted by that guy off Channel 4's Italian football with various experts depending on what they're going to talk about. They appear to know what they're on about but do it in a manner than is not condescending and also mildly amusing.
Yep. I've been a fan of James Richardson for years. There was some sort of campaign to get him the MOTD2 job and it's a real shame he didn't get it. He'd have been perfect for it.
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Luckily, I record MOTD and skip through all the analysis/back slapping. It's a superb programme in that format.
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I think he is pretty decent on talk shit.
He is right too some of the analysis on MotD has been really poor in the last few seasons; Shearer offers about as much insight as a potato.
Some of the commentary and analysis of the world cup games they covered was a joke. They were pretty open about the fact they knew nothing about some of the sides. What the hell were they doing before the match? They should have been researching the sides they were about to offer their pearls of wisdom upon.
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Research? Not Lawro, he's too busy trying to be funny. And failing miserably.
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Mark Bright on BBC tonight wins 'State the bleedin obvious' award. No ideas, no opinion. And he slagged off the GH appointment for no good reason on the radio this week. Rubbish pundit.
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Also I recall Ian Wright saying the reason he left BBC was because of the same things Stan said.
Ye Gods how the BBC has suffered without the talents of Ian Wright. The pair of them can stay on Channel 5 where I have no need to ever stumble upon them again. MOTD is far from perfect but it does have the best theme tune of any football programme, and is an integral part of football life. Yes I swear at it and about it, but that is part of the fun, isn't it?
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Luckily, I record MOTD and skip through all the analysis/back slapping. It's a superb programme in that format.
Me too. I also skip all the post-match interviews (except when it's Villa).
With the exception of Lee Dixon, MOTD's pundits come across like a bunch of golfing buddies. Which is hardly surprising.
I used to like Gavin Peacock, what happened to him?
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used to like Gavin Peacock, what happened to him
didn't he jack it all in and move to Canada to become a priest or something?
seriously
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Wow, really.
A priest I can understand, but Canada?