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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on September 18, 2010, 10:19:44 AM
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Available Saturday afternoon.
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VILLA: Friedel; L Young, Dunne, Collins, Warnock; Albrighton, Ireland, Petrov, Downing; A Young; Agbonlahor. Subs: Guzan, Carew, Heskey, Reo-Coker, Clark, Cuellar, Bannan.
BOLTON: Bogdan; Steinsson, Knight, O’Brien, Robinson; Petrov, Muamba, Holden, Chung-Young; Elmander, K Davies. Subs: Lainton, Taylor, M Davies, Klasnic, Ricketts, Moreno, Blake.
4-5-1 or even 4-1-4-1
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Nice Blackburn win as they over run us in Midfield. Nice to see KMac learning from his mistakes.
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Worried about centre mid, but come on you Villa boys!
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This one will depend on how sharp Ireland is. If he, Ash, Stew and Stan can move off the ball properly and into space, then we may be able to keep the ball properly. Harsh on NRC, though, I thought he was one of our two or three best players in the last two matches.
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Nice Blackburn win as they over run us in Midfield. Nice to see KMac learning from his mistakes.
Lucky for us then we're not playing the almighty Blackburn isn't it?
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Nice Blackburn win as they over run us in Midfield. Nice to see KMac learning from his mistakes.
Are you referring to the Carling Cup game on Wednesday ?
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They're playing a 4-2-3-1 there, so if Ash or Stew drops deep we could turn it into three against two in the centre of midfield. Muamba and Holden are very energetic and snappy, but if get the extra man in there we could overrun them.
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I think it will look like this
----------------------------------------------------FRIEDEL-------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------LUKE YOUNG------------COLLINS----------DUNNE-------------------WARNOCK-----------------
-----------------------------------------------------PETROV----------------------------------------------------------
--------------------ALBRIGHTON----------------------------------------------------DOWNING-----------------------
------------------------------------IRELAND---------------------------YOUNG-------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------GABBY------------------------------------------------------------------
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I'd like to see Ash go back out wide to be honest,especially after that miss on Monday. Also,hasnt Carew got a good record against Bolton? Would prefer to see two up top,but what the f##k do i know!
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Nice Blackburn win as they over run us in Midfield. Nice to see KMac learning from his mistakes.
Lucky for us then we're not playing the almighty Blackburn isn't it?
Doh.
My point still stands. We are more likely to be out muscled in Midfield again. Even with RC in there it has been the case so removing a tenacious tackler and putting in someone who can pass but is not likely to be match fit still and able to track and tackle could be a major issue.
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Nice Blackburn win as they over run us in Midfield. Nice to see KMac learning from his mistakes.
Lucky for us then we're not playing the almighty Blackburn isn't it?
Doh.
My point still stands. We are more likely to be out muscled in Midfield again. Even with RC in there it has been the case so removing a tenacious tackler and putting in someone who can pass but is not likely to be match fit still and able to track and tackle could be a major issue.
This isn't Allardyce's Bolton. Coyle is trying to change the way they play. I don't think we'll be overrun at all. In fact, I think they'll have a problem with our pace and movement if we can play to our potential. The problem will their physical play up front, but not neccesarily in midfield.
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We're gonna get absolutely mullered in midfield. Petrov will peer up and see 3 brick walls charging him, and he won't have the time, the speed, or any hope of doing a damn thing about it. I have an image in my head of Stan splattered across the turf, flat as a pan cake like he's Wile Coyote and has just got run over by a steam roller.
Meep meep!
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Not sure who in that line up is going to win the ball back for us. Still, as long as we never let Bolton have it we could score a few.
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anyone got a decent veetle or sopcast link please?
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Bright start
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Why no NRC, this is his sort of game and one he can stamp his authority all over. Gonna be a rough ride for us but hopefully we'll come out on top.
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anyone got a decent veetle or sopcast link please?
watching now is average stream in spanish http://www.dailyfun4u.us/2010/09/aston-villa-v-bolton-wanderers-link-1.html
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Fookin hell Dunney!
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fucking awful lazy play by Dunne there.
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Downing has started well.
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anyone got a decent veetle or sopcast link please?
watching now is average stream in spanish http://www.dailyfun4u.us/2010/09/aston-villa-v-bolton-wanderers-link-1.html
Thanks. My sopcast isn't working for some reason. Anyone else having this issue?
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thanks pakistan!
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Marc's so bloody dangerous. He's like Pedro.
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Albrighton has started like a demon!
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Decent stream but no english commentry.
http://worldfootball.us/channel1.html
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found this with english commentary , average feed though.
http://www.p2pstation.net/
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Albrigton has been excellent so far.
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my stream is frozen. Any others out there?
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YES§
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WHat a PEACH of a free kick from Young!!! 1-0!!!
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Ashley!
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YEEEEESSS finally a free kick from Ash.
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Get innnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
First one for ages!
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Ashley Young has finally scored from a FK.
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Get in !
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Oh Ash you demon.
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That was a lovely strike.
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He's back baby.
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Has now!!
Goal, get in Ashley!!!
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well done Ashley.
Well done Villa streams bloke for putting it on to English commentary
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Why no NRC, this is his sort of game and one he can stamp his authority all over. Gonna be a rough ride for us but hopefully we'll come out on top.
This is exactly the sort of game where people were complaining that we struggled to break the opposition last season. At least K Mac is trying to rectify that by going with a creative looking side.
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http://worldfootball.us/channel1.html
excellent and in english , just in time to see ash s goal
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Jesus, the commentator loved that goal... that woke the Kitten up!
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1-0 the villa ;D ;D
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Lovely little pass from Luke to release Ash then.
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how did Knight not get booked for that!?
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Why no NRC, this is his sort of game and one he can stamp his authority all over. Gonna be a rough ride for us but hopefully we'll come out on top.
This is exactly the sort of game where people were complaining that we struggled to break the opposition last season. At least K Mac is trying to rectify that by going with a creative looking side.
This is exactly the sort of game that we scored 5 against the opposition the last few years.
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how did Knight not get booked for that!?
I thought he was.
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Right there was a classic example of what Petrov does so well. Reads the game, intercepts and passes in one motion.
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how did Knight not get booked for that!?
Ho got booked. Might have been a red as last man and such but with how wide he was.....
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McCallister in the stands, who's the other grey haired chap?
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Ash is struggling.
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McCallister in the stands, who's the other grey haired chap?
Never mind that, who was the Joey Ramone lookylikey?
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Lovely spell of passing and possession there. Really good to see.
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How come Whoopi Goldberg is down Villa Park, and is she suffering from the same 'ailment' as Wacko Jacko?
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6097/38023309.jpg) (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/38023309.jpg/)
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Whoever said Bolton like to play it on the ground these days lied.
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Why no NRC, this is his sort of game and one he can stamp his authority all over. Gonna be a rough ride for us but hopefully we'll come out on top.
This is exactly the sort of game where people were complaining that we struggled to break the opposition last season. At least K Mac is trying to rectify that by going with a creative looking side.
This is exactly the sort of game that we scored 5 against the opposition the last few years.
With or without NRC? (Can't remember)
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Is that Faulkner on the left, eating the scampi fries?
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Isn't that Mervyn King in front of GH? Good man.
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How come Whoopi Goldberg is down Villa Park, and is she suffering from the same 'ailment' as Wacko Jacko?
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6097/38023309.jpg) (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/38023309.jpg/)
What`s Weird Al Jankovic doing there?
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I'm seeing too much Vanish and not enough Villa from those streams....
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found decent stream here if anyone needs one.
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Isn't that Mervyn King in front of GH? Good man.
he voted for the score to stay at 1-0
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where east19?
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Why no NRC, this is his sort of game and one he can stamp his authority all over. Gonna be a rough ride for us but hopefully we'll come out on top.
This is exactly the sort of game where people were complaining that we struggled to break the opposition last season. At least K Mac is trying to rectify that by going with a creative looking side.
This is exactly the sort of game that we scored 5 against the opposition the last few years.
With or without NRC? (Can't remember)
He played in both matches Started lasts years 5-1
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fucking hell that was a pen.
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http://worldfootball.us/channel1.html
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Looks like there's a good crowd in VP today.
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Warnock a bit lucky there. Strange there was no appeal from Bolton.
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http://www.elcr9.com/2010/06/sports-en-hq.html
sorry forgot to paste link!
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Could have been a Pen against.
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how lucky, that was a deff penalty
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That's Duverne on the far right next to McAllister, I think.
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thanks for the streams east and johnny. Much better.
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fantastic block after a terrible headed clearance.
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great block Luke Young
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Bolton are starting to get all over us again.
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Zat should have gone for that.
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Good there by Marc. Again.
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MA look for a pass sometimes!
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Albrighton is such a class act. Great block Luke.
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That's Duverne on the far right next to McAllister, I think.
You're right it is. Who's the chap with the grey hair?
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What happened to Dunne? He is having a shocker....
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Does Ireland look a little lost?
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1-1. Can see us collapsing now
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Oh Fuck...............
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Bollocks
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Fucking hell, that was coming. Midfield is beginning to get overrun.
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what a crock
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We've been inviting that.
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Defence look awful
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What happened to Dunne? He is having a shocker....
I've been critical of him in a while.....
Bollocks.
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Dunne is having an absolute shocker.
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Bollox - I just started watching it and they go an fooking score! >:(
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Dunne is abysmal today. He needs to lay off the pies
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What the fuck is Collins doing on his own marking two in the centre? What is Warnock doing other than sitting there scratching his balls when Dunne is trying to stop the Bolton player putting in a cross...
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What happened to Dunne? He is having a shocker....
I've been critical of him in a while.....
Bollocks.
If he is too unfit to even lumber up the pitch for a Corner then he should be off and Cueller should be on.
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Get NRC on and get control of the midfield for fecks sake.
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Cueller needs a game, our defence has been shit for most games.
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Man alive, ref saved us again then.
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agree , get cuellar on for dunne .dunne looks unfit and overweight,
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Fucking hell Petrov, back off, back off, back off and let the guy shoot.
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They're all over us at the moment.
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Dunne always struggled with his weight, I'd drop him until he gets in shape.
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Dunne has looked shit all season, clearly not fit. Problem is he is our ONLY defensive leader. The rest are lost without him
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first thing houllier needs to do when he comes in is to get dunne to shift some weight, bulked up and it's affecting his play something rotten
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I also predict we will come out comfortable winners. Im going for 4-1
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How is Ireland doing? My stream isn't great and can't really see (or get mixed up with Collins)
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Bulked up? he's just fat.
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GH will have plenty to ponder....
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How is Ireland doing? My stream isn't great and can't really see (or get mixed up with Collins)
Ireland quiet. One or two nice touches but not had much impact so far.
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worst free kick ever.
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Our CM is so light. We need to play 3 across to help out Stan, who's past it frankly.
Ireland is never gonna be a central midfielder, he's, pardon the expression, a floater. Defensive duties don't suit him, nor physical tussles. Again a very naive selection by KMac. Granted we have no options, but at minimum, NRC should be in there. Even he's not enough.
If Houllier does this I'll be very worried indeed.
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How is Ireland doing? My stream isn't great and can't really see (or get mixed up with Collins)
Sitting deep and if Im honest looks lost and lacking confidence
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Bulked up? he's just fat.
Yes, I was being polite, but you're right he's just fat!!
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We're really not looking good at the moment.
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I also predict we will come out comfortable winners. Im going for 4-1
It will be the first time we have got something out of a match with KMac in charge after conceding. Unfortunately I can only see a Bolton win now with the only change being Heskey for Albrighton at some arbitrary point in the match when we need to score.
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Let's not get carried away because commentators look for incidents and talk up penalty claims.
The first one was never a pen - he had lost possession, hence no claim. Second not so sure given the quality of the feed.
Dunne is struggling as he has all season. The best pairing is Carlos and Collins - better pace and both more reliable. I like Dunne, but not enough to keep him in the team when he is third choice CH.
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How has Warnock spent so many years as a defender and still not learned how to tackle.
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We`re looking bottom three material tbh
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We looked really good for 20-25 minutes, since then we have been fucking awful.
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Not remotely advocating we should touch him with a ten foot pole, but Kevin Davies is a good player, and a pain in the bloody arse. Take him over Heskey anyday.
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We WILL win this. Once this storm is weathered we will come out with renewed confidence and take them apart. Trust me....
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Wolves are wining 1-0 at WHL again. I wonder if they can do it for the third game on the trot.
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The vibe around the club is still so uncertain of itself.
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The first one was never a pen - he had lost possession, hence no claim.
What does that have to do with it? Warnock stuck out a leg and brought the guy down. Foul, in the area = penalty.
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Dunne has looked shit all season, clearly not fit. Problem is he is our ONLY defensive leader. The rest are lost without him
Disagree. I think Dunne is quiet and Collins is a better organiser/leader. Dunne will also commit more fouls and pick up cards - because he is struggling for fitness.
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Wolves are wining 1-0 at WHL again. I wonder if they can do it for the third game on the trot.
Some good news!
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half time 1-1 and not very convincing so far.
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Christ sort it out Villa.
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I wonder what Houllier is thinking.
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Houllier looks shell-shocked-in a Gallic shrug way.
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Has KM got 'it' to turn things at half time?
When we were 2-0 down to Newcastle and playing ok, even at 3-0 I thought we may turn it around...however that was with last season in mind. Instead we just sat back.... Similarly at 1-0 up v Everton and maybe today and Stoke, we don't push on. Whatever we say of MON we turned things around often after half time even without subs!
We need a kick up the arse!
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We started really really well - Albrighton looked dangerous as did Ashley.
But we've let them get back into it and they've realised they more or less have no effective opposition in the middle of the park.
Not seen much from Ireland yet and Gabby hasn't had much of the ball. Warnock is struggling to keep their winger quiet.
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Crikey. Lots to work on there.
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Not convincing. A decent spell of possession before half-time showed them what we really should have been doing at 1-0. God knows why we keep lumping it downfield, losing the ball and inviting more pressure AT HOME. You'd think we were at the Bernabeu.
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Good stuff elsewhere...
1545: GOAL Everton 0-1 Newcastle (Ben Arfa)
1545: GOAL Tottenham 0-1 Wolves (Fletcher)
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Ugly again. We miss Milner a hell of a lot too. He did so much donkey work in the middle to make up for Stan's inability to run, and he had quality to go with it. Trying to replace him directly with Ireland does us, nor Ireland himself, any favours at all.
Ash is struggling to impact the game. Get him on the wings FFS, and keep him there!
Houllier looked like he wanted to catch the first Eurostar back to Paris.
This is hard watching.
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Not remotely advocating we should touch him with a ten foot pole, but Kevin Davies is a good player, and a pain in the bloody arse. Take him over Heskey anyday.
Yep - he's a good player, but again signing him would somewhat dictate a style of play that I don't want at Villa.
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The first one was never a pen - he had lost possession, hence no claim.
What does that have to do with it? Warnock stuck out a leg and brought the guy down. Foul, in the area = penalty.
If it was a bad and intentional foul, but otherwise no chance a pen is going to given if a player loses possession and then there is contact. If you can find an example of when that has happened, I will find a hat and eat it.
Anyway we need to be in their box - then it is no issue.
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Houllier looks shell-shocked-in a Gallic shrug way.
No he doesn't.
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I think we are seeing the downside of having Ireland rather then Milner. Milner can play well in most positions in the park. Ireland can play really well in one position (AM) but is pretty much a liability anywhere else. Him and the money would would definitely have been the better deal if we used the money but until Jan and until we change the system to suit him we had the worst of the deal.
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still prefer ash out wide and psh ireland up bringing on reo coker for either downing or albrighton , id like to see cuellar for dunne too but doubt kmac will make those changes.
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If it was a bad and intentional foul, but otherwise no chance a pen is going to given if a player loses possession and then there is contact. If you can find an example of when that has happened, I will find a hat and eat it.
It was intentional - Warnock stuck his left leg out to bring the guy down. Possession is irrelevant. You don't have to be in possession to get a pen for handball for instance, or for shirt tugging as a corner comes in.
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Good coming forward but as I accidentally posted on the pre match thread, this formation is suicidal from a defensive point of view, the gaps between the defence and midfield are frightening and allow Bolton midfielders to just build up a head of steam in twenty yards of pace. If Kevin Mac wants to know why he didn't get the job, is because of team selections like this. He needs to have the balls to leave one of the attacking midfielders out, Albrighton would be most likely but he's been lively again, although lacking in end product.
This formation is also counter productive from an attacking point of view as it means Ireland cannot play his preferred role of floating between the midfield and attack.
I just don't get how managers can make such rookie errors.
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We need to have a bit more solidity in midfield. Albrighton, Ireland, Ash, Downing on the park together makes for exciting footy but that's no use when the other team has the ball.
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This formation is also counter productive from an attacking point of view as it means Ireland cannot play his preferred role of floating between the midfield and attack.
I just don't get how managers can make such rookie errors.
Because he is a Rookie manager.
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Bolton started to press our defenders further up the pitch which means 1 in 3 times we had to play it long - absolutely perfect for 6ft 5 defenders against Gabby and Young.. They weren't doing that in the first 20 minutes which made it easier for us to play it about.
We need to vary our play a bit more and show a bit more composure when attacking their full backs. It's all a bit rushed and confidence is certainly an issue at the back - a better side would be a couple of goals ahead of us by now. I'd worry if we go a goal behind heads would well and truly drop.
Next 45 mins will be an interesting gauge of our character.
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Houllier looks shell-shocked-in a Gallic shrug way.
What? Unimpressed, yes, hardly shell-shocked.
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Petrov again has done very little, which is disappointing.
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Bears have pulled back a bit against Somerset who are 72 for 2 off 13.2 overs.
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Somebody recently posted that it could be a confidence thing and I think they were right. When we're flying we're flying but as soon as something goes wrong all the confidence seems to drain away.
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Was late into the game but have now caught up on Tivo. We're not all that good, are we. Our defending, across the pitch, is really rather terribly poor.
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somerset 73-2 in 14th over of final against warwicks at lords, beat me to it hilts
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Petrov again has done very little, which is disappointing.
I don't see that. He's made several interceptions, tackled reasonably though completely isolated, passed the ball fine and is our only player moving in the centre of midfield. The formation just leaves him totally without support, though.
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This formation is also counter productive from an attacking point of view as it means Ireland cannot play his preferred role of floating between the midfield and attack.
I just don't get how managers can make such rookie errors.
Because he is a Rookie manager.
He's probably managed more football matches than all of us added together.
Anyway, now we need to attack I cannot see him putting NRC on as it'd be seen as a defensive substitution (i.e. losing downing/albrighton or young) however without possession of the ball we're doomed.
Not happy. Tut and sigh.
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Dunne needs to sort him fucking self out. It is unacceptable to be in that sort of shape in his profession, it's the equivalent of me turning up drunk to do my job.
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The problem at the moment is trying to shoe horn, Ash, Ireland, Downing and Albrighton in the same team, each of these players in the right formation is effective, but if you play all at the same time its effectively playing a 4 - 1 - 4 (push very far forward) - 1. Which does not work because Petrov does not have the legs to play the holding role with 5 very forward thinking players in front of him. Dunne, Warnock and Young have not been great again defensively but put more protection in front of them then we may get more joy.
We could always try;
Albrighton - Reo Coker - Petrov - A Young
Ireland
Gabby
I understand this a shame for Downing and he has done well in recent games, but Young played his best football for us on the left wing and ever since Downing arrived we have moved Ash all over the place. Albrighton looks good when he is on the ball. Ireland cannot get into the game because all of the normal positions he would take up are being used by Ash, tactically its very naive.
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wonder if ged will show his face in the dressing room and give kmac a tip or two, doubtful i guess - at least gary mac being there suggests hes coming to us as boro are at home today and we must have sorted out a deal for him.
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Cuellar on for Dunne
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Fucking ell...he subbed Dunne!!
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Cuellar for Dunne, why no Coker for Petrov
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good he deserved to go.
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Cuellar IS on for Dunne. About bloody right.
Phil, I agree with that analysis. Harsh on Downing, but we should also remember that this is a squad game and having players like Downing to bring off the bench is a good thing.
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Commentator really knows jack-schidt...
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Good sub. Dunne not at the races.
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Downing did well to track back there.
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If it was a bad and intentional foul, but otherwise no chance a pen is going to given if a player loses possession and then there is contact. If you can find an example of when that has happened, I will find a hat and eat it.
It was intentional - Warnock stuck his left leg out to bring the guy down. Possession is irrelevant. You don't have to be in possession to get a pen for handball for instance, or for shirt tugging as a corner comes in.
Sorry, not looking to fallout but it is relevant - to the management of the game if not the letter of the law - otherwise no corner would ever be taken as several penalties, free-kicks and/or obstructions occur every time.
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Again we are playing 3 wingers and 2 good ball playing midfielders with no hit man
no point crossing the ball to gabby he needs it in behind
Crap Knight is on a booking but he is fast-booting the ball in the air to Gabby will be lapped up by him all day
Dunne is carrying a piano
get a big forward on take off a winger and petrov and get NRC on
i want Albrighton's babies(Imagine the ransom)
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Jesus.
Didn't we establish a Petrov/Ireland central midfield doesn't work?
Albrighton off (played ok - not his fault) NRC on
Gabby
Ireland
Downing -- Petrov -- NRC -- Young
Before its too late........
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any links for streams, the couple I had have gone down
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Cuellar for Dunne, why no Coker for Petrov
Errr, because we'd be left with exactly the same problem as the first half but we'd be less likely to retain possession would be my guess.
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That's what Irelands good at, unlucky.
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great effort ireland
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lovely positive play by ireland.
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That was a bit more like it.
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Sorry, not looking to fallout but it is relevant - to the management of the game if not the letter of the law - otherwise no corner would ever be taken as several penalties, free-kicks and/or obstructions occur every time.
No I realise that but say a through ball gets played into the area - player A runs after it, player B sticks out his leg and brings him down, that's a pen - player A doesn't have to be in possession.
I totally accept that it wasn't a sending off because it wasn't a clear goalscoring opportunity and Warncok wasn't the last man, but it was a clear pen.
Anyway, it wasn't given - thank fook - so no harm done. It had been at the other end we'd both have been screaming for it!
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Glimpse of where Ireland should be, and what he's capable of there.
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http://www.elcr9.com/2010/06/sports-en-hq.html
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wonder if ged will show his face in the dressing room and give kmac a tip or two, doubtful i guess
He won't, no. Or at least not until it's all over.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/9010105.stm
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Wonder if GH has been in mobile contact with Kev Mac at half time and insisted he bring the Telllytubby off.
A brave call, which is why I'm not sure Kevin Mac made it.
Now if only GH can get Kevin Mac to bring NRC on, for Downing or Albrighton. Ash out wide, Ireland off the striker - job done.
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The Spanish commentators are absolutely loving "Albrrreetonn".
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better effort from Downing to tackle
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Well that's the last tackle Downing will ever attempt. It'll put the fear of god into him now.
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any links for streams, the couple I had have gone down
http://www.dailyfun4u.us/2010/09/aston-villa-v-bolton-wanderers-link-1.html
quality stream but in spanish
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Was Cueller number 24 last year?
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unlucky Downing.
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Nice thinking by Marc and Stan.
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Good movement then, shame L Young couldn't finish it.
Could save from the Ginge from Downing on the follow up.
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When did Ron Weasley and Prince Harry have a kid? And when did he sign for Bolton?
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Baggies go from 1 down to leading the bluenoses 2-1.
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The Spanish commentators are absolutely loving "Albrrreetonn".
I'm loving the spanish commentators!
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Good save from Brad
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good save brad
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Good save brad
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Cuellar badly beaten in the air there, good save.
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We cannot defend set-pieces. Why can't we defend set-pieces?
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oooh well saved
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great save from brad there.
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Carew ready to come on.
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Was Cueller number 24 last year?
He's been number 24 all his time at Villa, and Rangers too.
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Carew ready to come on.
Christ, he's surely not going 4-4-2. Surely.
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looking better this half, poor corner from ash though.
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Carew ready to come on.
Christ, he's surely not going 4-4-2. Surely.
I was anticipating it as Nicolas mentioned it on Sky Sports. Doesn't seem to be happening.
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fucking attack the corners!!!! We used to absolute money from set pieces
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afternoon chaps, hows the game going?
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When did Ron Weasley and Prince Harry have a kid? And when did he sign for Bolton?
Either that or a carrot raped his mother.
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Get Carew on. He destroyed them last year. Although sadly, he looks quite happy and content there sat on the bench.
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Does anyone have an idea of our corner conversion rate? And, ideally, in comparison to league average.
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When did Ron Weasley and Prince Harry have a kid? And when did he sign for Bolton?
Either that or a carrot raped his mother.
Should point out, I've nothing against Ginger folk. Especially when they look like Christina Hendricks.
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Does anyone have an idea of our corner conversion rate? And, ideally, in comparison to league average.
between this game and West Ham it's got to be horrendous
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Bah! Please do something!
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I'd have Allbrighton off now and Carew on
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Dave Woodhall will be in hell. (and heaven). Baggies 3-1 up.
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Baggies 3-1 over the shit
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Carew on
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Carew coming on
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Carew on
For Ireland. 4-4-2. The Argentine commentators are confused and I'm with them.
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http://www.elcr9.com/2010/06/sports-en-hq.html
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A midfield of Downing, Petrov, Young and Albrighton, 3 bloody wingers!
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anyone got a good link?
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Carew on
For Ireland. 4-4-2. The Argentine commentators are confused and I'm with them.
So who is the other CM? Downing, Young, Albrighton or Gabby? Whoever it is will be even more lightweight then Ireland.
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wtf has happened to carew's shirt?
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http://www.elcr9.com/2010/06/sports-en-hq.html
Thank you east19. How do you find the steams so quickly?
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http://www.elcr9.com/2010/06/sports-en-hq.html
try there fergal
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wtf has happened to carew's shirt?
That will be the quality issues which have pushed the launch of the shirts back, it tears like loo roll
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Carew on
For Ireland. 4-4-2. The Argentine commentators are confused and I'm with them.
So who is the other CM? Downing, Young, Albrighton or Gabby? Whoever it is will be even more lightweight then Ireland.
I believe it is now 4-1-3-2. Otherwise known as "the nuts formation".
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Pen to Spurs.
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Cant see us scoring to be honest.
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Petrov alone in CM is a scary thought. Very scary.
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Scored. Spurs 1-1. VDV Pen
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been on that one all game dante.
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Petrov alone in CM is a scary thought. Very scary.
He always was. Now we're just taking the piss.
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Carew looks like hes been to a dog fight and accidentally participated.
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I'm going to be the first to say it (I think), but I'd be happy with a draw here.
I've no idea what K-Mac is thinking with this line-up.
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fucking hell Gabby
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http://www.elcr9.com/2010/06/sports-en-hq.html
try there fergal
Cheers dude... Are we playing OK?
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So. Cuellar on the left wing and we're playing Total Football. Ball gets to Gabby's feet and he's had a massive brain attack. I see.
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Shame Gabby couldn't control that then or lay it across to Young in rushing.
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Is it going to be a painful last ten minutes, or one full of joy, I think the former at the moment!
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gabby :p
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gabby needs to pull his finger out or he will finf owen in his place in january, needs to inprove his 1st touch and finishing and fast.
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gabby needs to pull his finger out or he will finf owen in his place in january, needs to inprove his 1st touch and finishing and fast.
Only as long as our linesman cut the grass right. As soon as one blade is missed Owen will trip over it and will be out for 6 months.
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at the moment its as though mon never left - roll on monday and the ged era.
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come on villa
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Same old same old, thank god this is KMac's last game. Dire
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bloody hell, frustrating aint the word
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Cuellar you silly c*nt
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this is dire.
c'mon kev, rub our faces in it and bring on emile.
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Carew's having one of his "lumbering oaf" days.
He mostly does.
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Save Brad
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What a complete car crash May to September has been so far, we really need to get our act together because this is frankly utter rubbish!
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fuck me. How are we not losing? Brad aside the defending is shocking
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Backs to the wall at home to fucking Bolton. Bring on Houllier
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fucking hell.
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How are we so under the cosh at home against Bolton?
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Spurs winning,
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Thank fuck for brad, these are shit and we're making em look like Barcelona, when with the right use of the good players we have it ought to be another four of five job
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All I hope is the Houllier sees what we are seeing. This is murder. So much for the players giving KM a great send off.
Oh, and brilliant - Spurs now winning
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Allbrighton should of been taken off about 20 mins ago, he's fucked
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How are we so under the cosh at home against Bolton?
Three little digits: 4-4-2. We have the players, but our continuing to play this ridiculous system in its various forms just negates any qualities on the ball that we may have.
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Ahh fuck it, im off another Saturday spoilt
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Embarrassing. Being outplayed by Bolton Wanderers at home.
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Ahh fuck it, im off another Saturday spoilt
Annoying innit?
What a thoroughly unpleasant watch this has been...afuckingain!
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Three more minutes of this embarassment.
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How are we so under the cosh at home against Bolton?
Three little digits: 4-4-2. We have the players, but our continuing to play this ridiculous system in its various forms just negates any qualities on the ball that we may have.
So what do you suggest we play with the players we have. And being as we are playing with 3 wingers at the moment and two strikers we are playing anything but.
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this is royally crap. I'm so glad Monday starts a new era at Villa. Can we please start playing possession football on the deck. We need a change in football philosophy so very badly.
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spurs scored 3 in 13 mins to win 3-1.
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How are we so under the cosh at home against Bolton?
Three little digits: 4-4-2. We have the players, but our continuing to play this ridiculous system in its various forms just negates any qualities on the ball that we may have.
So what do you suggest we play with the players we have. And being as we are playing with 3 wingers at the moment and two strikers we are playing anything but.
I suggest 4-2-3-1, Downing out for NRC and more solidity in the midfield.
Also, it's 4-4-2 because of where the players are on the pitch. I don't care if Ash is nominally a winger, he's playing central in a 4-4-2 with Petrov there and it's suicidal.
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I give Stewie credit, he's gone into a few 50/50's today. Shame going forward he's been ineffectual.
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The one thing Houllier is known for is cleaning house. We need a number of fresh faces and get some more of our superb kids in. It won't happen overnight so we have to be patient, but this isn't good enough.
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try this link if yours has gone down...
http://soccerjumbo-o5.blogspot.com/2009/12/channel-1.html
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this is royally crap. I'm so glad Monday starts a new era at Villa. Can we please start playing possession football on the deck. We need a change in football philosophy so very badly.
I can't see any change for several matches unfortunately. I remember the same things being said against West Ham (New era, Posseion football on the deck) but as soon as we are under any pressure we revert to type.
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Well thank fuck that's over.
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That is football at its most horrible, The premier league is supposed to be the greatest league in the world, with matches like this?
I cannot remember many worse performance than today and the one against Newcastle, we just look totally devoid of ideas and confidence.
Gerard you have a big job on your hands mate picking up this lot!
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Absolute bobbins. That's put me in a foul bloody mood.
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Was that a bit of booing I heard? I know we weren't great but I didn't think it deserved booing.
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this is royally crap. I'm so glad Monday starts a new era at Villa. Can we please start playing possession football on the deck. We need a change in football philosophy so very badly.
I can't see any change for several matches unfortunately. I remember the same things being said against West Ham (New era, Posseion football on the deck) but as soon as we are under any pressure we revert to type.
No, it will take some time to bed in, plus we need two transfer windows. I think the arrival of Houllier will signal some stability as of next week. They have a decent size task on, but as poor as it has been today, it isn't a crisis. We need to settle down, decide on what we are and push on.
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How are we so under the cosh at home against Bolton?
Three little digits: 4-4-2. We have the players, but our continuing to play this ridiculous system in its various forms just negates any qualities on the ball that we may have.
So what do you suggest we play with the players we have. And being as we are playing with 3 wingers at the moment and two strikers we are playing anything but.
I suggest 4-2-3-1, Downing out for NRC and more solidity in the midfield.
Also, it's 4-4-2 because of where the players are on the pitch. I don't care if Ash is nominally a winger, he's playing central in a 4-4-2 with Petrov there and it's suicidal.
We played a 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1 for most of the matches this season. It hasn't made any difference. You could even argue that Everton and stoke were the 4-2-3-1 that you are advocating.
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Absolute bobbins. That's put me in a foul bloody mood.
Totally agree, hate having my weekend's spoiled by playing so badly. I dont mind drawing or losing as long as I see fight, but today we lacked idea, direction, leadership and passion. It was horrid.
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this is royally crap. I'm so glad Monday starts a new era at Villa. Can we please start playing possession football on the deck. We need a change in football philosophy so very badly.
Indeed, today was the legacy of MON. Good squad playing like shite.
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Was that a bit of booing I heard? I know we weren't great but I didn't think it deserved booing.
You might have felt different if you had actually paid to watch it.
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Absolute bobbins. That's put me in a foul bloody mood.
Totally agree, hate having my weekend's spoiled by playing so badly. I dont mind drawing or losing as long as I see fight, but today we lacked idea, direction, leadership and passion. It was horrid.
Yep. I'm off for some Chinese water torture to make myself feel better.
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So lucky we didn't lose that. Thanks keV mc but you've proved you were out of your depth. GH and GM will surely make a better fist of getting a balanced team out of this squad. Great stream all game from villastreams btw, didn't drop once and look good even blown up on't big telly.
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How are we so under the cosh at home against Bolton?
Three little digits: 4-4-2. We have the players, but our continuing to play this ridiculous system in its various forms just negates any qualities on the ball that we may have.
So what do you suggest we play with the players we have. And being as we are playing with 3 wingers at the moment and two strikers we are playing anything but.
I suggest 4-2-3-1, Downing out for NRC and more solidity in the midfield.
Also, it's 4-4-2 because of where the players are on the pitch. I don't care if Ash is nominally a winger, he's playing central in a 4-4-2 with Petrov there and it's suicidal.
We played a 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1 for most of the matches this season. It hasn't made any difference. You could even argue that Everton and stoke were the 4-2-3-1 that you are advocating.
The players didn't move off the ball for much of those games, and when they did it was so much more comfortable (more so against Stoke, where I thought we were unlucky).
The problem with the system we started today, as someone else mentioned, is that the 4 ahead of Petrov is absurdly advanced, leaving Stan totally isolated on the counter.
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this is royally crap. I'm so glad Monday starts a new era at Villa. Can we please start playing possession football on the deck. We need a change in football philosophy so very badly.
Indeed, today was the legacy of MON. Good first 11 playing like shite.
Fixed.
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We played a 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1 for most of the matches this season. It hasn't made any difference. You could even argue that Everton and stoke were the 4-2-3-1 that you are advocating.
--------------------Brad Snr --------------------
Young------Collins------Cuellar------Warnock
------------NRC-----------Petrov----------------
---Albrighton------Ireland------Young--------
----------------------gabby-----------------------
Has that team and formation been played yet?
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Was that a bit of booing I heard? I know we weren't great but I didn't think it deserved booing.
You might have felt different if you had actually paid to watch it.
That's fair enough if you regard supporting the team as a 'value for money' based thing.
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We played a 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1 for most of the matches this season. It hasn't made any difference. You could even argue that Everton and stoke were the 4-2-3-1 that you are advocating.
--------------------Brad Snr --------------------
Young------Collins------Cuellar------Warnock
------------NRC-----------Petrov----------------
---Albrighton------Ireland------Young--------
----------------------gabby-----------------------
Has that team and formation been played yet?
If it hasn't you'd have to ask 'why not'? because it looks like an obvious best starting XI to me.
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Was that a bit of booing I heard? I know we weren't great but I didn't think it deserved booing.
You might have felt different if you had actually paid to watch it.
That's fair enough if you regard supporting the team as a 'value for money' based thing.
My issue with booing is that while I suppose people have the right to air their views, I hope those same people are prepared for the next few weeks being one of transition. It may not be pretty all the time, and booing our players will be very counter productive during that time as they learn new things. Even if people have paid to be there, I hope they realize that. It's not going to change immediately.
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this is royally crap. I'm so glad Monday starts a new era at Villa. Can we please start playing possession football on the deck. We need a change in football philosophy so very badly.
Indeed, today was the legacy of MON. Good players playing like shite.
Fixed.
Now it is. (winky)
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Perhaps naive but I anticipated we might have picked up a draw & win from
last two matches..........against opposition who are unlikely to be
challenging for European spots in May next year
As it turns out we have dropped 5 points and on current look more
likely to finish bottom 6 than top -
Thanks KMac ...........you made some mistakes which was to be
expected but overall I think the players let you down -
If it wasn't for last ditch blocks from Luke Young and smart saves from
Friedal the visitors today would have gone home with a decent away win-
Was it me or did Stephen Ireland do just that ONE thing before he was
subbed ? We already have passengers in the current team we certainly
don't need to carry any more-
At the final whistle I reacted along with many others of those that
stayed till the end by letting the players know what I thought of the
performance - I'm certainly not happy with myself but how else can I
show my displeasure (I've paid £450 up front so finding something
else to do on match day is not an option)
Hopefully Mssrs Houlier McAllister assisted by Villa legend Sid will wave
a magic wand - whether the current players will respond is another
matter
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Was that a bit of booing I heard? I know we weren't great but I didn't think it deserved booing.
You might have felt different if you had actually paid to watch it.
That's fair enough if you regard supporting the team as a 'value for money' based thing.
My issue with booing is that while I suppose people have the right to air their views, I hope those same people are prepared for the next few weeks being one of transition. It may not be pretty all the time, and booing our players will be very counter productive during that time as they learn new things. Even if people have paid to be there, I hope they realize that. It's not going to change immediately.
They needed booing. That was dross.