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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Lucky Eddie on September 09, 2010, 09:50:01 AM
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If we invite 'that' man back into our football club then the worlds gone mad hasn't it?
MAC:
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?? why ?
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He might be on the coaching staff, not asked to re-shape the club.
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I wouldn't be happy with Staunton either.
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We took him back as a player and I was less than thrilled at the time. However, he won me over with his performances and effort in his second spell. He therefore left us on good terms. Having said that, his managerial record is so dire that I can't imagine him coming back, even as a coach.
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If nothing else, he might be able to teach Cuellar to hoof the ball AND keep it in the park.
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I would not want him back at Villa either. I just wondered why from the original poster.
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The Doc
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It was certainly weird after chanting 'one greedy bastard' when he visited VP during his second spell with Liverpool, to then cheering him during his second spell with us. Felt he gave his utmost whenever he played, and the way he curled those corners just under the crossbar is something perhaps Downing could learn from him
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There are certain managers and players that I would find incredibly distasteful if they were linked with employment at Villa. Staunton's not one of them for me. If he's useful, get him in.
"I'm sure I'd feel worse if I wasn't on such strong medication..."
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Bergerac seems to be one of the coaching staff. I'd have KMac as Head Coach and Mcallister in as well as a further coach. If Mr Grumpy joined the team too then I wouldn’t have a problem.
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It was certainly weird after chanting 'one greedy bastard' when he visited VP during his second spell with Liverpool, to then cheering him during his second spell with us. Felt he gave his utmost whenever he played, and the way he curled those corners just under the crossbar is something perhaps Downing could learn from him
Is exactly what I said last night, I would have no problem with Stan coming back, I liked his passion as a player and if he rubbed that off on some of the players I would be delighted.
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How many times did Stan actually do that though? I can recall Palace at home and that's it.
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I wonder if Staunton might be a good a decent aide between Houllier & McDonald as he's worked closely with both, could help bring the whole coaching team together.
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How many times did Stan actually do that though? I can recall Palace at home and that's it.
That was scoring direct from a corner and yes his did, I think it did it again.
He did have a really good left foot
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I can't see any reason why Staunton shouldn't be involved
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I don't see any problem with giving him a coaching role. His record as a manager might not be very good, but there's a big difference between being a manager and a coach.
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Hi did it for Ireland a few times too, one against Northern Ireland I remember particularly well.
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I can't see any reason why not either. It's a job at the end of the day, and there is no loyalty in football anymore.
Besides, he's a grumpy bastard who hates losing, I think if one or two of the players need a kick up the arse he may be as good as any to do it in a good cop/bad cop kind of way.
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I would'nt mind if he came back as long as does his best for us.
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I tell you what. There have been few better dead ball specialists at Villa in the past 20 years. He could teach our current lot a thing or two.
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If we invite 'that' man back into our football club then the worlds gone mad hasn't it?
Any chance of you illuminating your opinion Eddie?
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It's obvious he's a dreadful manager, but I don't know (one way or the other) what he's like as a coach. If Houllier feels he's worthwhile, then we should support his decision on his preferred backroom team.
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Probably best left back we had in last 20 years and also a guy who wanted to win every game he was involved in .
What crime did he commit , oh after 7 years service he went back to Liverpool on a Bosman and gave us another 2-3 years .
Lets shoot him.
Get a grip eddie
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It's obvious he's a dreadful manager, but I don't know (one way or the other) what he's like as a coach
Exactly. He was absolutely useless as a manager and is untested as a coach. Why take such a big gamble on him? Let another club find out whether he's any good or not.
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Exactly. He was absolutely useless as a manager and is untested as a coach. Why take such a big gamble on him? Let another club find out whether he's any good or not.
He's been coaching for the last couple of years though, hasn't he? It's just that I haven't been paying enough attention to hear any reports, but I don't think it's true to say he is untested.
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Has lucky Eddie mistaken Steve Staunton with Steve Hodge?
Stan made over 300 Villa appearances IMO one of our best premier league players to date and has two league cup winners medals - a rare boast for a Villa player. He also scored that screamer at Old Trafford when we were challenging for the title. This guy was a leader on the pitch for Villa and as Matt C says he's worked with Kev and Houllier before this makes perfect sense to me.
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Stan made over 300 Villa appearances IMO one of our best premier league players to date and has two league cup winners medals - a rare boast for a Villa player. He also scored that screamer at Old Trafford when we were challenging for the title
A great player
But a shit manager - ask any Ireland or Darlington fan how absolutely shite he was.
Nobody knows how good or bad a coach he is, but I wouldn't want to take a risk on him, given his managerial credentials.
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Over here the man is seen as an incompotent idiot after his spell in in charge of the national team. He was a disaster.
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I'd welcome him back. He'd have his uses, and plenty of knowledge to pass on. It'll be Houllier doing the tactics etc.
I also think Gary McCallister would do a great job coaching our midfielders in the art of passing. Bring him too.
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Has lucky Eddie mistaken Steve Staunton with Steve Hodge?
Stan made over 300 Villa appearances IMO one of our best premier league players to date and has two league cup winners medals - a rare boast for a Villa player. He also scored that screamer at Old Trafford when we were challenging for the title. This guy was a leader on the pitch for Villa and as Matt C says he's worked with Kev and Houllier before this makes perfect sense to me.
That's what I like to remember.
But there was always a feeling during his first stint that he was only biding his time before he returned to the Redscouse from about 94/95 onwards.
Wouldn't be distraught to see him return by any means. But it's interesting that a guy who gave such long service to the club during two spells isn't more popular.
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I know, but even though he came back I think the return to Liverpool was somewhat seen as a betrayal of sorts at the time. He was a top footballer, and we talk Tommy's left peg, but in my opinion it couldn't do Stan's could. Brilliant at crossing the ball, corners, free kicks and shooting from open play. He wasn't the best defensive left back ever to have played, but he could defend, and scored some absolute belters in a Villa kit. I wouldn't have any issue if came here as a coach to learn his trade.
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A class player, maybe a bit lazy in his first season but between 1992-95 he was terrific. He scored twice direct from corners, once at Wimbledon and the following season home to Palace. One of the few to earn his keep in 94/95 when he pretty much played on the left wing. Vital player during the relegation battle, so many of his crosses led to goals for Deano, Fashanu etc and he scored at Norwich on the final day. Missed most of 95/96 through injury then spent the next two years playing as a centre back. I was delighted when he came back for a second spell and he didnt disappoint.
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Staunton gave absolutely everything to the cause in his 300+ games for Villa, and I'm sure he'd give us his all if he came back as coach as well.
I'm struggling to think of a better leftback the Villa have had than Stan in the last 25 years, he was that good a player for us.
I just don't understand the ill feeling some fans have for him. He was an excellent player for us, and was just as hard working in his second spell at the club as well.
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I don't want him anywhere near our club. As far as I'm concerned he's the Irish Steve H#dge
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cb, I note that you've become something of a celebrity over on the F365 letters page.
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I don't want him anywhere near our club. As far as I'm concerned he's the Irish Steve H#dge
Fair enough if that is your opinion, but I think that is extremely harsh.
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From what I've read about Stan, and heard people say, he's very much a Villa man and can be seen down Villa Park quite often I believe.
Doesn't he also play for the Old Boys?
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Aye.
Plays for the Old Stars and still lives in the area (Lichfield, I believe).
Understandable the pull Liverpool has for him having started his career there. Think he has family there too.
But he gave plenty in a Villa shirt, and that's all that counts.
Comparing him to Hodge is horseshit.
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Aye.
Plays for the Old Stars and still lives in the area (Lichfield, I believe).
Understandable the pull Liverpool has for him having started his career there. Think he has family there too.
But he gave plenty in a Villa shirt, and that's all that counts.
Comparing him to Hodge is horseshit.
Really. He's a traitor for club and country. As soon as Liverpool came calling, he couldn't help but fall over himself to leave and when it all went pear shaped he came crawling back and picked up a huge wage for doing F. all. I'm not buying this idea that he gave his all when he came back; if that was his all then he's wasn't up to much. As proven by his Ireland experience he's a coaching and management disaster. If he does come back, he'll probably be able to hide behind other peoples competence, but I don't want the ****** anywhere near our club. Let him go and try his luck at Liverpool, where we know his heart really lies...
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cb, I note that you've become something of a celebrity over on the F365 letters page.
I don't frequent that site, so I have absolutely no idea, what you're talking about! Still, if I'm becoming a celebrity, maybe I can give a lucrative interview in Hello sometime!!! ;)
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Aye.
Plays for the Old Stars and still lives in the area (Lichfield, I believe).
Understandable the pull Liverpool has for him having started his career there. Think he has family there too.
But he gave plenty in a Villa shirt, and that's all that counts.
Comparing him to Hodge is horseshit.
Really. He's a traitor for club and country. As soon as Liverpool came calling, he couldn't help but fall over himself to leave and when it all went pear shaped he came crawling back and picked up a huge wage for doing F. all. I'm not buying this idea that he gave his all when he came back; if that was his all then he's wasn't up to much. As proven by his Ireland experience he's a coaching and management disaster. If he does come back, he'll probably be able to hide behind other peoples competence, but I don't want the c*** anywhere near our club. Let him go and try his luck at Liverpool, where we know his heart really lies...
My word your posts make my brain melt. How is he a traitor for his country exactly? Because he was very poor at his job? Smashing hyperbole there, well done.
And Villa traitor? So by that do you mean that anyone leaving on a free is a traitor, or is it just irish players that you have some irrational hatred of?
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I was watching the training up at BH the one day and this really annoying bloke was earholing me about how he knew everything that went on at Villa as he was big mates with Staunton, he had in his hand a letter for HDE, and as the players jogged around the perimeter he shouted out 'Steve mate, take this inside for Doug will ya'
'No, and for the last time, fuck off' came the reply. I usually cant abide rudeness but I made an exception in this case.
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I am absolutely stunned at some of the comments on this thread and seeing as I was asked to justify my 'anyone but him' thread here goes;
The first 'British to British' Bosman lead us a merry dance for twelve months or more before the inevitable 'I' should never have gone to Villa', 'I would walk back to Merseyside comments'.
Hang your heads in shame!
Aren't there any Villa 'through and through' men anymore.
Just because the 'professionals' are allowed to have no loyalty doesn't mean that we should settle for acceptance of whatever shit they choose to dish out to those of us remaining who pay their wages year in year out.
He was banned from our coach to Wembley this spring. I'd have rather walked there than spent the journey in his company.
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I may be a bit harsh, but I did always get the impression that he was at Villa just until something better came along.
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I sort of get what you mean, but pretty much any time he put on a Villa shirt he never let us down.
In that final season it was obvious to most that he was winding down his contract and looking to make full use of the new legislation. Yet he was still one of our most consistent performers.
His second stint was solid, never really hitting the heights of the first. Way down on assets and the more spectacular parts of his game.
But a player who gave the club close to a decades service between two spells deserves a bit more respect than being compared to Stephen fcuking H0dge.
Liverpool were always a big pull for him and given a straight choice he chose them (though he did turn them down in 94 TBF). That makes us feel like the jilted lover, understandably so. And why he'll probably never be viewed with huge affection by most Villa fans. But he has often gone on record saying how much the club means to him and how he still likes to keep in touch with what's going on. So if the Redscouse come first we come a very close second.
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But a player who gave the club close to a decades service between two spells deserves a bit more respect than being compared to Stephen fcuking H0dge.
Really, well we'll have to agree to disagree, but you should remember I also had to endure the cU nt stinking up my national team as well as my club.
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But a player who gave the club close to a decades service between two spells deserves a bit more respect than being compared to Stephen fcuking H0dge.
Really, well we'll have to agree to disagree, but you should remember I also had to endure the cU nt stinking up my national team as well as my club.
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Aye.
Plays for the Old Stars and still lives in the area (Lichfield, I believe).
Understandable the pull Liverpool has for him having started his career there. Think he has family there too.
But he gave plenty in a Villa shirt, and that's all that counts.
Comparing him to Hodge is horseshit.
Really. He's a traitor for club and country. As soon as Liverpool came calling, he couldn't help but fall over himself to leave and when it all went pear shaped he came crawling back and picked up a huge wage for doing F. all. I'm not buying this idea that he gave his all when he came back; if that was his all then he's wasn't up to much. As proven by his Ireland experience he's a coaching and management disaster. If he does come back, he'll probably be able to hide behind other peoples competence, but I don't want the c*** anywhere near our club. Let him go and try his luck at Liverpool, where we know his heart really lies...
I thought he played very well in his second spell. In fact i thought he was our best player the season he played at centreback.
Your dislike of him is quite odd considering the performances his put in for the Villa over 10 or so years.
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Over here the man is seen as an incompotent idiot after his spell in in charge of the national team. He was a disaster.
Steve Stauntion is now a figure of national ridicule here. All my non villa mates have been ribbing me all week about stan coming to villa be to be the 'assistant gaffer'. His media appearances during his ill fated time as Ireland manager left a lot to be desired.
But as others have said, it should be Houllier's decision and who's to know, he could end up being a great coach.
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He wasn't cut out to be manager.
From memory, he was second choice.
But got the gig on the understanding that Bobby Robson would be the senior partner.
Bobby's ill health meant that Stan assumed more responsibility than he was probably ready for, bearing in mind his experience up until that point was a bit of coaching and making the tea at Walsall.
But we are talking about a bloke who earned 120+ caps for his country. I don't blame him for wanting the job. Rather, you'd have to look at the FAI for appointing him.
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But we are talking about a bloke who earned 120+ caps for his country. I don't blame him for wanting the job. Rather, you'd have to look at the FAI for appointing him.
Is the correct answer.
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The F.A.I. really fucked up allright. He was totally out of his depth. A cheap solution.