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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: evalast1910 on September 01, 2010, 09:16:19 AM
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Seen as the window is shut; with the squad as it is now, what starting XI would you play and who would be on the bench. Then next window and later down the season be nice to see what has changed.
For me:
------------------Brad Snr
L.Young---Collins---Clark---Warnock
------------------Petrov (c)
----------Ireland---------Downing*
Albrighton-----------------------A.Young
--------------------Gabby
*note if Delph was fit he would be in place of Downing.
Bench:
Guzan,Cuellar,Dunne,NRC,Delph*,Carew,Fonz
That still leaves youngsters like:
Andreas Weimann;Eric Lichaj;Shane Lowry
Barry Bannan;Nathan Baker;Jonathan Hogg being able to push to get on the bench.
Which in my view means we could get rid of:
Sidwell;Heskey;Beye;Ozzy;Davies. - around 150k a week in wages!!!
So what is your team; I think it will be interesting to see how it changes up to January's window.
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With all players fit.
---------------------Friedel
--------L.Young Dunne Collins Warnock
--------------------NRC
-------------Delph--------Ireland
---Albrighton-----------------------A.Young
------------------Agbonlahor
I'll go with Albrighton over Downing everyday of the week. Downing is a pussy.
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In a 4-2-3-1:-
Big Brad
L Young
Dunne
Collins
Warnock
Petrov
NRC
Albrighton
Ireland
A Young
Gabby
Bench; Guzan, Clark, Cuellar, Downing, Sidwell, Carew, Delfouneso
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With everybody fit:
-----------------------Friedel
Young--------Collins-------Dunne-----Warnock
----------------Petrov--------Delph
Albrighton-----------Ireland--------------Young
---------------------Agbonlahor
Guzan, Cuellar, Beye, Reo Coker, Downing, Carew, Delfouneso
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Friedel
Young - Collins - Dunne - Warnock
NRC - Petrov
Albrighton - Ireland - Young
Gabby
Guzan - Cuellar - Clark - Sidwell - Downing - Carew - Delfouneso
I really wanted to put Cuellar in for Warnock and swap Young over. I'm not a Warnock fan as of late.
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| | | | Friedel | | | | |
| L Young | | Cuellar | | Dunne | | Warnock | |
| | | Petrov | | Reo-Coker | | | | |
| Young | | | | Ireland | | | | Downing |
| | | | Agbonlahor | | | | |
Collins, Delph (when fit) and Albrighton should be very close, of course. Carew is in contention when he is in form (not now), and in this case Agbonlahor could be pushed out wide. Heskey can be put on as a workhorse sub on the wing when we need to defend a lead.
EDIT: Bench is thus: Guzan, Collins, Delph, Albrighton, Sidwell, Carew, Heskey.
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I see most are pushing Young back out wide when he's been pretty effective in the middle and clearly wants to play there. I reckon if we want to hasten his departure asking him to play second fiddle to Ireland is a great way to go about it.
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Brad Snr
L.Young
Dunne
Collins
Warnock
Petrov
Reo Coker
Albrighton
Ireland
A.Young
Gabby
BENCH Brad Jnr, Beye, Cuellar, Soldwell, Downing, Fonz, Carew
VILLA FILLA KIOSK Heskey, Salifou, Osbourne
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In a 4-2-3-1:-
Big Brad
L Young
Dunne
Collins
Warnock
Petrov
NRC
Albrighton
Ireland
A Young
Gabby
Bench; Guzan, Clark, Cuellar, Downing, Sidwell, Carew, Delfouneso
I'd go with John M. I think Delph is still a bit of an unknown quantity at the moment.
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I see most are pushing Young back out wide when he's been pretty effective in the middle and clearly wants to play there. I reckon if we want to hasten his departure asking him to play second fiddle to Ireland is a great way to go about it.
Well, its Ireland's best (possibly his only) position and Young is still effective on the wing (swapping flanks with Albrighton). I dont think asking him to play one of his natural positions should be cause for him wanting to move.
I'd still play Young behind the striker on occasion and ask him to drift in from the wings too, just to keep the oppostion on their toes.
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| | | | Friedel | | | | |
| L Young | | Cuellar | | Dunne | | Warnock | |
| | | Petrov | | Reo-Coker | | | | |
| Young | | | | Ireland | | | | Downing |
| | | | Agbonlahor | | | | |
Collins, Delph (when fit) and Albrighton should be very close, of course. Carew is in contention when he is in form (not now), and in this case Agbonlahor could be pushed out wide. Heskey can be put on as a workhorse sub on the wing when we need to defend a lead.
EDIT: Bench is thus: Guzan, Collins, Delph, Albrighton, Sidwell, Carew, Heskey.
Word for word, thats how i see it. I would rotate with Collins, Albrighton and particularly Delph when fit. And Carew, if he gets himself in shape.
In terms of letting a borderline England International dictate how we play (as Chris suggested) just because he wants it that way (if indeed he does, which i doubt), the club would be in a very sorry state of affairs.
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I see most are pushing Young back out wide when he's been pretty effective in the middle and clearly wants to play there. I reckon if we want to hasten his departure asking him to play second fiddle to Ireland is a great way to go about it.
The way I see it, Young is playing in the role Ireland is best suited to. We tried using both of them against Newcastle and look what happened. Playing that way means we need cover for the back 4, which NRC provides. So it's a choice between dropping one of them of shifting Ash wide, I think shifting Ash wide is the better option.
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Friedel
Young - Cueller - Dunne - Warnock
NRC - Ireland
Albrighton - Young - Downing
Agbonlahor
Subs - Guzan Collins Clark Pertrov Bannan Carew Delph (When fit - Until then Hogg)
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Me i would go with paulthevillan look's a good line up to me.
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In a 4-2-3-1:-
Big Brad
L Young
Dunne
Collins
Warnock
Petrov
NRC
Albrighton
Ireland
A Young
Gabby
Bench; Guzan, Clark, Cuellar, Downing, Sidwell, Carew, Delfouneso
I'd go with John M. I think Delph is still a bit of an unknown quantity at the moment.
Actually, I only excluded Delph due to his longterm injury. Once he's fit I'd be trying to get him in the side, probably for either Petrob or NRC, as soon as possible!
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Delph is going to be a massive player for us if his injury doesnt have a lasting effect on him. *touches wood*
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In a 4-2-3-1:-
Big Brad
L Young
Dunne
Collins
Warnock
Petrov
NRC
Albrighton
Ireland
A Young
Gabby
Bench; Guzan, Clark, Cuellar, Downing, Sidwell, Carew, Delfouneso
I'd go with John M. I think Delph is still a bit of an unknown quantity at the moment.
Delph is the most talented player in the squad. He's just very young still, and of course very injured. He should be eased back in this season when fit, but he should be starting next season in the team every week. I must admit there is something about him that makes me think he might not make the best use of that talent, but i hope i'm drastically wrong.
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With everybody fit:
-----------------------Friedel
Young--------Collins-------Dunne-----Warnock
----------------Petrov--------Delph
Albrighton-----------Ireland--------------Young
---------------------Agbonlahor
Guzan, Cuellar, Beye, Reo Coker, Downing, Carew, Delfouneso
That's mine too with Petrov exchanged for NRC depending on the oppositions midfield.
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friedal
luke young, collins, dunne, warnock
delph, reo-coker
ash young , albrighton
ireland
gabby
subs guzan,carew,downing,cuellar,fonz,petrov,clark
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I see most are pushing Young back out wide when he's been pretty effective in the middle and clearly wants to play there. I reckon if we want to hasten his departure asking him to play second fiddle to Ireland is a great way to go about it.
The way I see it, Young is playing in the role Ireland is best suited to. We tried using both of them against Newcastle and look what happened. Playing that way means we need cover for the back 4, which NRC provides. So it's a choice between dropping one of them of shifting Ash wide, I think shifting Ash wide is the better option.
I don't disagree that it's probably best for the side (if we're going to play Ireland) but I'm not sure Ash will see it the same.
So far all my fears about Ireland have been upheld. Now that might be because he's still finding his feet but he's still (at the moment) a luxury player to me and if we're going to upset anyone I'd sooner it was him than Young.
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Delph is all about potential in that he has loads of it, it’s ok pulling up trees against teams in the 3rd division but we need to see if he can do it consistently in the Premiership. I agree he has all the attributes to be a quality player but then so have so many other young talents that haven’t fulfilled their earlier promise. Having said that I think he should be battling for a place with Petrov and NRC in the team when fit.
Delph most talented in the squad? That’s a new one on me.
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Friedel
Young - Collins - Dunne - Warnock
NRC - Petrov
Albrighton - Ireland - Young
Gabby
Guzan - Cuellar - Clark - Sidwell - Downing - Carew - Delfouneso
I really wanted to put Cuellar in for Warnock and swap Young over. I'm not a Warnock fan as of late.
Agreed.
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ireland, downing and young could just rotate positions when we have the ball. think people are getting bogged down in strict formations here.
at the moment - Id have Downing ahead of Albrighton. Downing needs to get the finger out this season though. He hasnt started the season great but Dunne is our best centre half. Id always have Collins ahead of Cuellar. We are very light of cover at full back. Warnock's form is a worry as is our lack of cover in the holding midfield role. Still our best X1 seems a decent side.
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Delph is all about potential in that he has loads of it, it’s ok pulling up trees against teams in the 3rd division but we need to see if he can do it consistently in the Premiership. I agree he has all the attributes to be a quality player but then so have so many other young talents that haven’t fulfilled their earlier promise. Having said that I think he should be battling for a place with Petrov and NRC in the team when fit.
Delph most talented in the squad? That’s a new one on me.
I think you'll see what i mean in 3 years time (injuries and temperament permitting).
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So far all my fears about Ireland have been upheld. Now that might be because he's still finding his feet but he's still (at the moment) a luxury player to me and if we're going to upset anyone I'd sooner it was him than Young.
Well, I don't agree with the theory that Ash would be upset by playing wide. For a start, if you imagine his goal is to get into the England side, then is he going to do that playing in the Gerrard/Rooney position or the Walcott/Lennon role?
Would you be playing Downing and dropping Ireland then?
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So far all my fears about Ireland have been upheld. Now that might be because he's still finding his feet but he's still (at the moment) a luxury player to me and if we're going to upset anyone I'd sooner it was him than Young.
Well, I don't agree with the theory that Ash would be upset by playing wide. For a start, if you imagine his goal is to get into the England side, then is he going to do that playing in the Gerrard/Rooney position or the Walcott/Lennon role?
Would you be playing Downing and dropping Ireland then?
I don't know. I think the balance of the side has been upset by losing Milner as his industry covered for a lot. I think we need to get a better defensive minded midfielder (Reo Coker with a football brain) in order to play the sorts of formation we're seeing here.
I added the caveat that Ireland might still be finding his feet and of course the new manager might add something that we haven't yet seen, but so far since west Ham it hasn't looked quite right. We've attacked well in some games and defended well on Sunday but haven't really done both at the same time.
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Delph is all about potential in that he has loads of it, it’s ok pulling up trees against teams in the 3rd division but we need to see if he can do it consistently in the Premiership. I agree he has all the attributes to be a quality player but then so have so many other young talents that haven’t fulfilled their earlier promise. Having said that I think he should be battling for a place with Petrov and NRC in the team when fit.
Delph most talented in the squad? That’s a new one on me.
I think you'll see what i mean in 3 years time (injuries and temperament permitting).
If he's the most talented in the squad he won't need 3 years to show us what he can do. I think you have just said the one thing that will stand in his way - temperament. Thats the one thing that gets a promising kid on the next step towards a regular then a 'star'.
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I'd go with this:
-----------------------Friedel
Young--------Cueller-------Dunne-----Warnock
----------------Petrov--------NRC-------
Albrighton-----------Ireland--------------Young
---------------------Agbonlahor
Guzan, Collins, Lichaj, Delph, Downing, Carew, Delfouneso
The toughest choice was to leave out Collins or Dunne. I'd have Cueller as my first choice centre back and would probably rotate his partner between Dunne and Collins. As I said on other threads, Dunne doesn't inspire me with as much confidence as he used to. If Stephen Ireland is in the team he needs two solid rocks playing behind him. NRC and Petrov would offer the best protection. Maybe Delph could come in when he's a bit older but for now I seem as too much of an attacking player to be in the same side as Ireland. Super Marc gets the nod ahead of Downing. Beye would not get near my squad after his performance in the Europa.
Areas to invest: I would be on the lookout for a new goalkeeper as I am unsure Brad junior is up to replacing Friedal who can't go on forever. I would also look for a left back to provide cover for Warnock. Beye's performance in the Europa answered MON's question about the need for full backs in their correct position. If we struggle for goals we can change formation by sacrificing a midfielder for Carew....
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Friedel
Warnock
Dunne
Collins
Young L
Young A
Downing
Reo Coker
Ireland
Gabby
Carew
Subs
Everyone else who's fit.
Lets face it there arn't many more. By the time we've played a youth and reserve game the players will be f****d who are left
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Brad F
Young Cuellar Dunne Warnock
Petrov NRC
Albrighton Ireland Young
Gabby
Bench
Guzan, Collins, Beye, Delph, Downing, Delfouneso, Carew
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Delph is all about potential in that he has loads of it, it’s ok pulling up trees against teams in the 3rd division but we need to see if he can do it consistently in the Premiership. I agree he has all the attributes to be a quality player but then so have so many other young talents that haven’t fulfilled their earlier promise. Having said that I think he should be battling for a place with Petrov and NRC in the team when fit.
Delph most talented in the squad? That’s a new one on me.
I think you'll see what i mean in 3 years time (injuries and temperament permitting).
If he's the most talented in the squad he won't need 3 years to show us what he can do. I think you have just said the one thing that will stand in his way - temperament. Thats the one thing that gets a promising kid on the next step towards a regular then a 'star'.
Yeah, the temperament thing is something that means you can never be sure, but from what i have seen of him, his passing is unbelievably good, he's not frightened to get stuck in and has quite a forceful challenge for a little 'un (although his timing may need some work). He's also pretty quick and he bursts forward into the box and knows where the goals are, so really he has the lot. And thats what i'm talking about, talent. I'm not saying he's currently our best player, i'm saying his overall attributes technically are better than anyone else we have. He could take 3 years to show us his best, Dwight Yorke played for us for 6 years before we saw his best.
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Mine:
Friedel
Luke Young Dunne Cuellar Warnock
NRC Petrov
Albrighton Ireland Ash Young
Agbonlahor
Subs: Guzan, Collins, Clark, Carew, Delph, Downing, Delfouneso
Rest of squad: Sidwell, Heskey, Lichaj, Bannan, Davies, Beye, Parrish, Hogg, Weimann
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Friedel
Young Cuellar Collins Dunne Warnock
Albrighton Ireland Downing
Young
Gabby
5-3-1-1 Works for me on FIFA10 !!
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With everybody fit:
-----------------------Friedel
Young--------Collins-------Dunne-----Warnock
----------------Petrov--------Delph
Albrighton-----------Ireland--------------Young
---------------------Agbonlahor
Guzan, Cuellar, Beye, Reo Coker, Downing, Carew, Delfouneso
This exactly apart from I'd have NRC & Petrov in the middle. Im not sure about Delph yet
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My go:
-----------------Brad Snr-----------------
Young---Cuellar----Dunne---Warnock
---------------NRC----Petrov-------------
-----Albrighton--Ireland---Young------
-------------------Gabby-------------------
Not a bad line up in my opinion. Good balance and flexibilty, particularly in attack where I would allow the 3 to swap pretty much a will as Petrov and NRC would cover the main defensive duties.
Once fit, Delph would be pushing NRC hard for a spot in the team.
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------------------------------------------------Friedel--------------------------------------------
L. Young------------------Cuellar-------------------------Dunne-------------------Warnock
-----------------------------Petrov-------------------------Reo Coker-------------------------
Albrighton--------------------------------Ireland------------------------------------A. Young
-------------------------------------------Agbonlahor-------------------------------------------
Subs: Guzan, Lichaj, Collins, Clark, Downing, Carew, Delfouneso
To be improved: Goalkeeper and Defensive Midfielder. We won't see much of Delph this season but next I'd put him in for Petrov. We do look light for good CM options.
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Just out of interest.
At the moment Delph, Weimann, Collins, Dunne, Gabby and Carew all have injuries of one sort or another.
Does your line up and bench still work against Stoke in the next match?
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With everyone fit:
Friedel
L Young Collins Dunne Warnock
Reo-Coker
Petrov Ireland
Albrighton A Young
Agbonlahor
SUBS: Guzan; Cuellar, Clark, Delph, Downing, Carew, Delfouneso
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Friedel
Young Cuellar Collins Dunne Warnock
Albrighton Ireland Downing
Young
Gabby
5-3-1-1 Works for me on FIFA10 !!
That side would see Newcastle esque results on a regular basis.
-------------------------------Friedel------------------------------
L.Young---------Collins--------------Dunne---------Warnock
---------------------NRC-------------Stan-------------------------
Albrighton-------------------------------------------------Ash---
------------------------------Ireland-------------------------------
------------------------------Gabby----------------------------------
Subs: Cuellar, Davies, Delph, Downing, Fonz, Carew, Guzan
I'd be quite happy to see Ireland eased in gradually though, by no means a guaranteed starter initially. I was a bit concerned that Kev Mac seemingly paid no heed to last weeks drubbing and wanted to go with the same midfield v Everton.
Ireland from the bench can still be a useful weapon, coming on with 25-30 minutes with the opposition tiring. His vision and accurate passes could pull sides apart in that crucial phase. The Berger/ Maloney role, if you like.
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Based on current form:
Friedal
Young - Cuellar - Dunne - Warnock
Petrov - Collins
Allbrighton - Ireland - Young
Agbonlahor
Subs: Guzan - Clark - NRC - Downing - Bannan - Carew - Delfounso
When all fit:
Friedal
Young - Collins - Dunne - Warnock
Petrov - Delph
Allbrighton - Ireland - Young
Agbonlahor
Subs: Guzan - Cuellar - Clark - NRC - Downing - Bannan - Carew - Delfounso
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With everyone fit, i'd go:
Friedel
L Young
Dunne
Collins (captain)
Warnock
Delph
NRC
A Young
Ireland
Albrighton
Gabby
Bench: Guzan, Cuellar, Downing, Petrov, Carew, lichaj and Fonz.
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I'd be quite happy to see Ireland eased in gradually though, by no means a guaranteed starter initially. I was a bit concerned that Kev Mac seemingly paid no heed to last weeks drubbing and wanted to go with the same midfield v Everton.
Ireland from the bench can still be a useful weapon, coming on with 25-30 minutes with the opposition tiring. His vision and accurate passes could pull sides apart in that crucial phase. The Berger/ Maloney role, if you like.
The thing is, as he's to all intents and purposes our Milner replacement (until we buy a more Milner-type player) and left ManCity cos he wasn't going to get a game, there's no way he'll be used sparingly like Berger or Maloney. He and Young will always play when fit. Hopefully it won't require too much shoe-horning once he's up to speedl
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Simple 4-1-4-1 formation :)
-----------------Friedel--------------------
Cuellar ---- Dunne ------- Collins --- Young
----------------- Reo Coker -----------------
Albrighton -- Ireland --- Young ---- Downing
------------------- Agbonlahor -------------
Subs Guizan, Clarke, Warnock, Carew, Sidwell, Petrov.
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In a 4-2-3-1:-
Big Brad
L Young
Dunne
Collins
Warnock
Petrov
NRC
Albrighton
Ireland
A Young
Gabby
Bench; Guzan, Clark, Cuellar, Downing, Sidwell, Carew, Delfouneso
agree, this is the best use of the resources we have, you can add banan and delf when fit
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Mazrim's team for me.
Would like us to by a better attacking RB, and another quality RS defensive midfielder than Petrov.But i think that is quite a good team that not many teams would beat.
Smudger is right about Delph.People in the media keep going on about Wiltshire, and Rodwell, i would'nt swap either of them for Delph.For me he is , when fit, about a year away from being a regular international, i rate him that highly.
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I'd be quite happy to see Ireland eased in gradually though, by no means a guaranteed starter initially. I was a bit concerned that Kev Mac seemingly paid no heed to last weeks drubbing and wanted to go with the same midfield v Everton.
Ireland from the bench can still be a useful weapon, coming on with 25-30 minutes with the opposition tiring. His vision and accurate passes could pull sides apart in that crucial phase. The Berger/ Maloney role, if you like.
The thing is, as he's to all intents and purposes our Milner replacement (until we buy a more Milner-type player) and left ManCity cos he wasn't going to get a game, there's no way he'll be used sparingly like Berger or Maloney. He and Young will always play when fit. Hopefully it won't require too much shoe-horning once he's up to speedl
He's not and never was an out and out CM at Citeh though.
Neither was Milner with us for a good chunk of his time here TBF, but he at least had all the ingredients to be one. Strength, stamina, work ethic and so on.
Ireland is a very, very good player. But used incorrectly and he could be prime scapegoat material. Unlike other players, if that were to happen to him I'm not sure he'd be able to shrug it off.
Tough, some might say. If he's good enough he'll man it out and come through regardless. But all players are different, some more complex than others. Surely it's about getting the best out of your available resources and -in time, in the right formation- I believe Ireland could be a big player for us.
Lets not ruin him before that happens with suicidal formations as per Newcastle away. Even with NRC in the side and playing well we struggled to contain Everton. With Ireland starting it could have been very ugly.