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Title: Statement from VP
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 29, 2010, 07:09:44 PM
Anyone got any news?

It's been on Radio and SSN. (So I'm told)
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Woody on August 29, 2010, 07:10:44 PM
In linme with comments made on General thread
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 29, 2010, 07:12:05 PM
I'll check.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: spangley1812 on August 29, 2010, 07:15:54 PM
Nothing on SSN.....I have been watching since 7.00pm
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: midian on August 29, 2010, 07:21:47 PM
Just been watching a foreign channel with Townsend and Curbishley on saying announcement within the hour for new manager.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: pmk1981 on August 29, 2010, 07:23:08 PM
prob sommat along the lines of what we already know " interviews will take place over the next week and manager will be announced by stoke game... i hope to st theresa it aint bob bradley
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 29, 2010, 07:24:22 PM
oooh exciting!

Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: pmk1981 on August 29, 2010, 07:26:09 PM
think the announcment is a gonner lads,  just seen kev mac on ssn and he just said the same old,  need to think about it and will speak to lerner and co in the morning
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: curiousorange on August 29, 2010, 07:26:39 PM
On the Villa bus today they were saying it was Koeman.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: pmk1981 on August 29, 2010, 07:30:11 PM
my bosses best mates, painters, mates sister has this mate who is a child minder for someone  that served someone who works for villa a coffee in starbucks and they said that their best mates cousins cheropadist knows someone and they say that Graham Taylor is going to be intervied
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Mac on August 29, 2010, 07:31:04 PM
KMac is now odds on at betfair. 
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: eastie on August 29, 2010, 07:32:30 PM
The general said this afternoon randy would be releasing a statement updating fans on the latest news regarding the new manager- a manager won't be announced but he will just be confirming what's been done and that interviews are ready to start!

Not worried what the bookies say - kmac doesn't meet the criteria set out last night by the general about an experienced manager and Bradley hasn't worked or played in England so I reckon both are none runners !
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Countryside Villain on August 29, 2010, 07:33:25 PM
Can only be KMac at this hour.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: midian on August 29, 2010, 07:34:13 PM
Maybe he interviewed David Moyes after the game.........we could only hope!
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Monty on August 29, 2010, 07:35:11 PM
I don't think it will be anything that dramatic, more likely to just be an update saying "interviews starting, hopefully the man is in place by the Stoke game".
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: JJ-AV on August 29, 2010, 07:37:57 PM
I hope it's not KMac.

But I certainly hope it's not Ashley.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2010, 07:37:58 PM
I think the General said there would be an announcement but not to name the manager.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 29, 2010, 07:39:21 PM
Maybe its about a couple of more additions to the Villa vitality menu?
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: JJ-AV on August 29, 2010, 07:39:29 PM
Fuck. Ashley then?

Unless it's regarding the interviews inline with what Dave was told on Friday?
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Monty on August 29, 2010, 07:40:02 PM
Just seen it. Hardly earth-shattering stuff.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Irreverent ad on August 29, 2010, 07:40:10 PM
On AVFC.com now
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: JJ-AV on August 29, 2010, 07:43:27 PM
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Following the departure of our manager on August 9, the Club was left with very little time to react and to prepare for our opening fixtures.

Our first order of business, looking immediately ahead to our games against West Ham, Rapid Vienna, Newcastle and Everton, was to ask Kevin MacDonald to step in as caretaker manager.

Kevin has been with Villa for a period stretching back over 15 years, has thorough knowledge of our first team, reserves and youth Academy players, as well as strong and well-established working relationships with other key members of our coaching staff.

As such, we felt he would provide a critical degree of stability and continuity in a turbulent period and give the team the best opportunity to succeed in these early games.

Kevin, Tony McAndrew and many other long-serving members of our Club have stepped up selflessly and without hesitation to the task at hand and for this we owe them a huge debt of gratitude.

We are conscious that we have steered clear of openly communicating our thoughts on the search for a permanent manager until this time, as we felt that to do so would undermine both Kevin's and the players' efforts to focus on preparing for these games.

To date, we have immersed ourselves in the process of appointing a new manager and clearly identifying the key criteria this person must meet.

Two of the traits we believe are of crucial importance are that candidates have experience of managing in the Premier League and a strategy for building on the existing strengths in our current squad.

We have thoroughly researched potential candidates and have reached out to a variety of contacts we have within the game for advice and guidance, as well as keeping key staff at Villa Park informed and focused.

We will now start the process of interviewing candidates we believe meet the key criteria required to manage Aston Villa with a view to making an appointment in the near future.

Kevin MacDonald will continue as caretaker manager until that time.

Finally, we wish to make clear that our relative inactivity in the transfer market this window in no way reflects a change in direction or dilution of ambition for the Club, but rather our reluctance to make decisions on players without a permanent manager in place.

We would not expect to make any further statements until such time as we are in position to make a definitive announcement on the managerial situation.

Paul Faulkner
Chief Executive, Aston Villa Football Club
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Apyadg on August 29, 2010, 07:43:55 PM
A rehash of stuff we've already been told. Hardly worth stopping the presses over.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Irreverent ad on August 29, 2010, 07:44:12 PM
It won't be KM or Klinsmann. They 2 main criteria are that they have experience of Managing in the Prem and they can build on existing strengths of current squad.

Why do I have a Curbishley feeling?
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: boboonthecorner on August 29, 2010, 07:44:13 PM
Statement boring....No transfers until Xmas then.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: kieron on August 29, 2010, 07:44:26 PM
That's Bradley out of the frame then.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: JJ-AV on August 29, 2010, 07:45:12 PM
Pretty much rules out most of the names linked then. "Two of the traits we believe are of crucial importance are that candidates have experience of managing in the Premier League"

Sven?
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: berneboy on August 29, 2010, 07:45:20 PM
Following the departure of our manager on August 9, the Club was left with very little time to react and to prepare for our opening fixtures.

Our first order of business, looking immediately ahead to our games against West Ham, Rapid Vienna, Newcastle and Everton, was to ask Kevin MacDonald to step in as caretaker manager.

Kevin has been with Villa for a period stretching back over 15 years, has thorough knowledge of our first team, reserves and youth Academy players, as well as strong and well-established working relationships with other key members of our coaching staff.

As such, we felt he would provide a critical degree of stability and continuity in a turbulent period and give the team the best opportunity to succeed in these early games.


Kevin, Tony McAndrew and many other long-serving members of our Club have stepped up selflessly and without hesitation to the task at hand and for this we owe them a huge debt of gratitude.

We are conscious that we have steered clear of openly communicating our thoughts on the search for a permanent manager until this time, as we felt that to do so would undermine both Kevin's and the players' efforts to focus on preparing for these games.

To date, we have immersed ourselves in the process of appointing a new manager and clearly identifying the key criteria this person must meet.

Two of the traits we believe are of crucial importance are that candidates have experience of managing in the Premier League and a strategy for building on the existing strengths in our current squad.

We have thoroughly researched potential candidates and have reached out to a variety of contacts we have within the game for advice and guidance, as well as keeping key staff at Villa Park informed and focused.

We will now start the process of interviewing candidates we believe meet the key criteria required to manage Aston Villa with a view to making an appointment in the near future.

Kevin MacDonald will continue as caretaker manager until that time.

Finally, we wish to make clear that our relative inactivity in the transfer market this window in no way reflects a change in direction or dilution of ambition for the Club, but rather our reluctance to make decisions on players without a permanent manager in place.

We would not expect to make any further statements until such time as we are in position to make a definitive announcement on the managerial situation.

Paul Faulkner
Chief Executive, Aston Villa Football Club
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on August 29, 2010, 07:45:28 PM
It can only be Sven or Jol then given the criteria.  Either one woud be great imo.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: eastie on August 29, 2010, 07:45:35 PM
Houllier!
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Monty on August 29, 2010, 07:45:59 PM
It won't be KM or Klinsmann. They 2 main criteria are that they have experience of Managing in the Prem and they can build on existing strengths of current squad.

Why do I have a Curbishley feeling?

It is a shame they seem to think it of vital importance that the manager has managed in the Premier League. Limits our view unnecessarily.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: boboonthecorner on August 29, 2010, 07:46:33 PM
It can only be Sven or Jol then given the criteria.  Either one woud be great imo.

Sven would be a fucking disaster. I'd rather have Dave Jones than him....utter shite. Yesterdays man.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 29, 2010, 07:47:31 PM
Hopefully that rules out Bob Bradley
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: villasjf on August 29, 2010, 07:48:41 PM
Here it is nothing startling though
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2139164,00.html
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: PhilGibson on August 29, 2010, 07:49:07 PM
Sounds like our manager search is limited to Martin O'Neill school of scouting. Is Ian Storey Moore heading up the search?

So then... Martin Jol, Gerard Houllier, Dave Jones, Sven, Southgate, Zola, Curbishley or Fat Sam. Kevin Mac now has three games premier league experience.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Matt C on August 29, 2010, 07:49:19 PM
Experience of the Premier League a key phrase there. Doesn't rule out Klinsmann at all
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: garyfouroaks on August 29, 2010, 07:49:57 PM
Sven would be a fucking disaster. I'd rather have Dave Jones than him....utter shite. Yesterdays man.
I take comfort knowing that you are not part of the selection process - are you this decisive in sweet shops?
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: eastie on August 29, 2010, 07:51:14 PM
Jol said he wants a crack at champions league with Ajax and will not be leaving this season , I reckon we are looking at houllier or Sven , maybe ranieri as a dark horse!
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Monty on August 29, 2010, 07:51:21 PM
Experience of the Premier League a key phrase there. Doesn't rule out Klinsmann at all

It says experience of managing in the Premier League, which Klinsmann hasn't got. It's a real shame because their second point, that the new man must have "a strategy for building on the existing strengths in our current squad" is right up Klinsmann's alley. I am very disappointed if they have ruled out the likes of Klinsmann for what is hardly as "crucial" a criterion as they say it is.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 29, 2010, 07:51:51 PM
Aston Villa Statement issued 19.43 Sunday 29th August 2010.

Aston Villa can confirm that a short list of potential successors in the role of Team Manager has now been finalised.

All parties have received letters inviting them to attend an Assessment Centre at the Bodymoor Heath Training Complex on Wednesday 1st September 2010 commencing 09.30 hours.  The Assessment Centre will include

Verbal and numeric reasoning tests.
20 minute presentation - 'What would you do differently at Aston Villa and why?'
1.5 hour interview with Paul Faulkner, Randolph Lerner and Steven Stride (advisory capacity)
Group Exercise - where the group are Directors of a football club and have to come to a collective agreement through persuasive argument on the new manager of a football club.

Participants will be informed of the clubs decision on Thursday 2nd September.

No further statements will be issued prior to the appointment of a new manager.

Ends...
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: midian on August 29, 2010, 07:52:00 PM
Moyes stilll???
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Irreverent ad on August 29, 2010, 07:52:11 PM
Experience of the Premier League a key phrase there. Doesn't rule out Klinsmann at all

It says experience of managing in the PL
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Legion on August 29, 2010, 07:52:27 PM
Nobody knows anything.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Mac on August 29, 2010, 07:52:53 PM
The statement is basically what Dave said here (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=40012.125).  Who'd have thunk it?
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: ez on August 29, 2010, 07:53:07 PM
No Diego then  ;)
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2010, 07:53:31 PM
Well I don't know it rules out a lot of candidates.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2010, 07:55:13 PM
It is a shame they seem to think it of vital importance that the manager has managed in the Premier League. Limits our view unnecessarily.
Agreed..Mourinho, Wenger, Ferguson, Hiddick, Grant, Jol, Houlier, Benitez and Sven would all have been dismissed from our list at some time under such a policy.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Eigentor on August 29, 2010, 07:57:32 PM
From this, I'd say Houllier is the most likely choice.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: JJ-AV on August 29, 2010, 07:58:27 PM
From this, I'd say Houllier is the most likely choice.

Same.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: boboonthecorner on August 29, 2010, 07:58:28 PM
Sven would be a fucking disaster. I'd rather have Dave Jones than him....utter shite. Yesterdays man.
I take comfort knowing that you are not part of the selection process - are you this decisive in sweet shops?

Ha, a sweet shop. Well done, you're a very funny man. Thank God you're not involved in the selection process either.

Sven, dear oh dear???
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: levico on August 29, 2010, 08:00:40 PM
They've created a deliberate and classic Catch 22 situation.

Didn't want to sign any players before the new manager is appointed - candidates won't even be interviewed before Wednesday then Oh Look!! we've missed the deadline. Never mind we'll expect the new manager to make do with no decent midfileder or striker until January - then we'll think of another excuse!!
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 29, 2010, 08:02:53 PM
Maybe he interviewed David Moyes after the game.........we could only hope!

Because he's achieved so much in the game. Almost as much as MON...sorry, not as much as MON.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2010, 08:05:43 PM
Maybe he interviewed David Moyes after the game.........we could only hope!


He's achieved more at Everton than M'ON did at Villa.

Because he's achieved so much in the game. Almost as much as MON...sorry, not as much as MON.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2010, 08:06:51 PM
They've created a deliberate and classic Catch 22 situation.

Didn't want to sign any players before the new manager is appointed - candidates won't even be interviewed before Wednesday then Oh Look!! we've missed the deadline. Never mind we'll expect the new manager to make do with no decent midfileder or striker until January - then we'll think of another excuse!!

Nonsense. This distrust of the board borders on the paranoia.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Woody on August 29, 2010, 08:07:30 PM
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Verbal and numeric reasoning tests

Like going for a job interview for a bean-counter role.

Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 29, 2010, 08:08:03 PM
O'Leary it is then.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 29, 2010, 08:08:22 PM
What the fuck do they need an interview for? You know if somebody is good enough for the job or not. If they want it, and they're good enough, then give them the job.

Asking questions such as "How would you treat an employee if they had a bad day at the office?" is ridiculous coming from people who don't know much about football.

And the list that appears on here, is full of crap.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: dicedlam on August 29, 2010, 08:09:00 PM
If his heart can still take it,  I would go for Gerard Houllier.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2010, 08:09:54 PM
From this, I'd say Houllier is the most likely choice.
I hope not.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 29, 2010, 08:10:09 PM
Maybe he interviewed David Moyes after the game.........we could only hope!


He's achieved more at Everton than M'ON did at Villa.

Because he's achieved so much in the game. Almost as much as MON...sorry, not as much as MON.

If MON was in the job for as long as Moyes then he would've done. I'd also argue that when Moyes finished 4th, the Premiership was pretty naff outside the top 3, whereas now, Moyes will finish 6-8th, the same as MON.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 29, 2010, 08:11:03 PM
If his heart can still take it,  I would go for Gerard Houllier.

I'd rather O'Leary with Steve Hodge as assistant.
Title: Re: Statement from VP within the hour?
Post by: garyfouroaks on August 29, 2010, 08:11:39 PM
Ha, a sweet shop. Well done, you're a very funny man. Sven, dear oh dear???
Why, thank you.

There are no obvious choices. However I can say that as a Club, we are not in a position to discount one of the most successful domestic league managers of the past thirty years.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2010, 08:12:09 PM
Well that's all ifs, buts or maybes. The fact is that Moyes has had greater achievements with less money that M'ON did.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: DrGonzo on August 29, 2010, 08:12:23 PM
What the fuck do they need an interview for? You know if somebody is good enough for the job or not. If they want it, and they're good enough, then give them the job.

Asking questions such as "How would you treat an employee if they had a bad day at the office?" is ridiculous coming from people who don't know much about football.

And the list that appears on here, is full of crap.

An interview, if you read the statement,  would probably takeplace so they can fulfill the 2nd criteria mentioned, that the candidate will have a vision for the future of the team.  Something Messrs Gold and Sullivan obviously did't ask Mr Grant.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: JJ-AV on August 29, 2010, 08:13:34 PM
Houllier's a good manager. Isn't he known for his narrow tactics though?
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Woody on August 29, 2010, 08:15:51 PM
If the PR is true on an assessment centre (source?), then does that mean that the candidates will all be "immediately available", as no one in a current job would go, unless the Villa have agreed in advance their release to attend.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2010, 08:16:19 PM
Houllier's a good manager. Isn't he known for his narrow tactics though?
His reputation for spending a fortune buying shit is second to none.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Eigentor on August 29, 2010, 08:17:42 PM
I interpreted the post about the assessment centre as an attempt at humour.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2010, 08:19:33 PM
What the fuck do they need an interview for? You know if somebody is good enough for the job or not. If they want it, and they're good enough, then give them the job.



I disagree with you entirely. You need to look a man in the eye to judge the true quality of him and hear his ideas first hand. This isn’t about the Villa job being open at the right time as some sort of career boosting opportunity. This is the chance to build a dynasty.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 29, 2010, 08:19:42 PM
Aston Villa Statement issued 19.43 Sunday 29th August 2010.

Aston Villa can confirm that a short list of potential successors in the role of Team Manager has now been finalised.

All parties have received letters inviting them to attend an Assessment Centre at the Bodymoor Heath Training Complex on Wednesday 1st September 2010 commencing 09.30 hours.  The Assessment Centre will include

Verbal and numeric reasoning tests.
20 minute presentation - 'What would you do differently at Aston Villa and why?'
1.5 hour interview with Paul Faulkner, Randolph Lerner and Steven Stride (advisory capacity)
Group Exercise - where the group are Directors of a football club and have to come to a collective agreement through persuasive argument on the new manager of a football club.

Participants will be informed of the clubs decision on Thursday 2nd September.

No further statements will be issued prior to the appointment of a new manager.

Ends...

No signings then.

Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 29, 2010, 08:20:38 PM
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Two of the traits we believe are of crucial importance are that candidates have experience of managing in the Premier League and a strategy for building on the existing strengths in our current squad.

Takes some of the fantasy out of it, doesn't it

Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: boboonthecorner on August 29, 2010, 08:20:52 PM
Ha, a sweet shop. Well done, you're a very funny man. Sven, dear oh dear???
Why, thank you.

There are no obvious choices. However I can say that as a Club, we are not in a position to discount one of the most successful domestic league managers of the past thirty years.

Sven has done nothing of note in 10 years.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: exigo on August 29, 2010, 08:22:49 PM
Phil Brown
Gianfranco Zola
Gareth Southgate
Danny Wilson
Glenn Hoddle
John Gorman
Stuart McCall
Phil Neal
Bobby Gould
Gordon Strachan
Steve Coppell
Roy McFarland
David Pleat
Howard Wilkinson
George Graham
Mike Walker
Nigel Worthington
Joe Royle
Dave Jones
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2010, 08:29:53 PM
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Two of the traits we believe are of crucial importance are that candidates have experience of managing in the Premier League and a strategy for building on the existing strengths in our current squad.

Takes some of the fantasy out of it, doesn't it
I'd say it
Aston Villa Statement issued 19.43 Sunday 29th August 2010.

Aston Villa can confirm that a short list of potential successors in the role of Team Manager has now been finalised.

All parties have received letters inviting them to attend an Assessment Centre at the Bodymoor Heath Training Complex on Wednesday 1st September 2010 commencing 09.30 hours.  The Assessment Centre will include

Verbal and numeric reasoning tests.
20 minute presentation - 'What would you do differently at Aston Villa and why?'
1.5 hour interview with Paul Faulkner, Randolph Lerner and Steven Stride (advisory capacity)
Group Exercise - where the group are Directors of a football club and have to come to a collective agreement through persuasive argument on the new manager of a football club.

Participants will be informed of the clubs decision on Thursday 2nd September.

No further statements will be issued prior to the appointment of a new manager.

Ends...

No signings then.
No Timothy, no signings.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 29, 2010, 08:33:49 PM
Only needs one question at interview.

"Here is £18 million quid, left over from Milner transfer", who could you get us before 6pm on Tuesday?

Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Legion on August 29, 2010, 08:34:39 PM
"What plans do you have for Emile Heskey?"
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2010, 08:34:50 PM
"Experience in managing in the Premier League" certainly opens the door to a lot of uninspiring candidates.

Southgate?
Curbishley?

Strange that we set that as the prime criteria.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: BedsVillain on August 29, 2010, 08:35:24 PM
Not sure if this list is exhaustive but take your pick from this lot:

Premier League Managers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Premier_League_managers)
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Eigentor on August 29, 2010, 08:36:17 PM
For some reason, I believe that Houliier's path at Liverpool is quite similar to O'Neill's at Villa. Good/promising start, never able to make the final step, and in the end it all went sour. I think managing Liverpool may be one of the more thankless tasks in football due to the combination of enourmous expectations, small resources (compared to Chelsea, Man Utd and now also Man City) and a bunch of ex-players in the media who jump on your back once the team plays poorly. His transfer record was somewhere between mediocre to poor. Good signings (Hyypiä, Hamann, McAllister) were fewer than the downright disastrous (Diouf, Diao, Cheyrou, Ziege etc).

He is tactically astute, has a reputation of being good at developing players -- but I don't think there is much evidence of this at Liverpool at least. He is sometimes credited as being one of the minds behind the work in France leading to their wins in the World Cup in 1998 and Euro2000, but whether there is correct, I don't know.

I would say a Houllier appointment would be a disappointment. Sven would be better (I'm assuming the likes of Jol and Hiddink are unavailable). But Houllier is well respected as a knowledgeable coach, and he did reasonably well at Lyon, so I don't think he would be a disaster.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Legion on August 29, 2010, 08:37:49 PM
Take your pick (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa-specials/next-permanent-manager)
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 29, 2010, 08:38:58 PM
They've created a deliberate and classic Catch 22 situation.

Didn't want to sign any players before the new manager is appointed - candidates won't even be interviewed before Wednesday then Oh Look!! we've missed the deadline. Never mind we'll expect the new manager to make do with no decent midfileder or striker until January - then we'll think of another excuse!!

Nonsense. This distrust of the board borders on the paranoia.

Yeah, very weird. They've done nothing to deserve the distrust either.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2010, 08:39:36 PM
Well Sven over Curbishley any day of the week.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2010, 08:40:28 PM
The final step for Houllier was winning the title though! A bit of a difference between that and finishing in the top four.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2010, 08:41:37 PM
They've created a deliberate and classic Catch 22 situation.

Didn't want to sign any players before the new manager is appointed - candidates won't even be interviewed before Wednesday then Oh Look!! we've missed the deadline. Never mind we'll expect the new manager to make do with no decent midfileder or striker until January - then we'll think of another excuse!!

Nonsense. This distrust of the board borders on the paranoia.

Yeah, very weird. They've done nothing to deserve the distrust either.

What's what I don't get.

You'd think that a four year track record of pouring money in, "getting" the club and doing the right thing might have earned them enough credit in the bank for people to give them the benefit of the doubt.

For a lot of people, though, that clearly isn't the case.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Mac on August 29, 2010, 08:43:13 PM
"Experience in managing in the Premier League" certainly opens the door to a lot of uninspiring candidates.

Southgate?
Curbishley?

Strange that we set that as the prime criteria.

Curbishley is now down at 11-1 from over 50-1 earlier.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2010, 08:45:24 PM
"Experience in managing in the Premier League" certainly opens the door to a lot of uninspiring candidates.

Southgate?
Curbishley?

Strange that we set that as the prime criteria.

Curbishley is now down at 11-1 from over 50-1 earlier.

That would be pretty much the least ambitious appointment they could possibly make.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: BedsVillain on August 29, 2010, 08:45:55 PM
Wouldn't mind Ranieri he had a a 53% win rate when at Chelsea and he started managing them in 2000 when they were mediocre. It's a shame about the whole Prem experience thing, I thought they would have been sick to the back teeth with that notion when MON was here, not exactly Global branding is it? I would've liked us to take a punt on Ralf Rangnick, think he could be the new Wenger, thinking man's football manager and the most Anglo-German going!
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: eastie on August 29, 2010, 08:46:01 PM
Was it houllier who paid £11m for heskey?
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Mac on August 29, 2010, 08:46:09 PM
There is some weird stuff going on.  I don't think anybody knows and if they wanted Curbishley he'd be in place already.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Mac on August 29, 2010, 08:46:39 PM
Was it houllier who paid £11m for heskey?

LOL  Yes.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Grande Pablo on August 29, 2010, 08:50:30 PM
There is some weird stuff going on.  I don't think anybody knows and if they wanted Curbishley he'd be in place already.

Good point - so myabe it's someone already in place?  Wait for the window to close...
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2010, 08:52:57 PM
Was it houllier who paid £11m for heskey?

LOL  Yes.

He scored 23 for them in his first full season.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: eastie on August 29, 2010, 08:54:12 PM
Houllier had phil Thompson as his sidekick as well, I wonder if the new man will have to inherit coaches or bring his own people in - surely kmac and sid will stay on.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: garyfouroaks on August 29, 2010, 08:55:12 PM
But Houllier is well respected as a knowledgeable coach, and he did reasonably well at Lyon, so I don't think he would be a disaster.
There is no popular choice, is there? I can think of worse than Houllier, and he does have "unfinished business" in the Prem, do you think he would bring Baros back?
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2010, 08:58:44 PM
But Houllier is well respected as a knowledgeable coach, and he did reasonably well at Lyon, so I don't think he would be a disaster.
There is no popular choice, is there? I can think of worse than Houllier, and he does have "unfinished business" in the Prem, do you think he would bring Baros back?
This is the man that took Baros off our hands and gave us Carew. As I mentioned earlier, he's a sharp operator in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Mac on August 29, 2010, 09:10:53 PM
Houllier's a good manager. Isn't he known for his narrow tactics though?
His reputation for spending a fortune buying shit is second to none.

I would be unhappy with Houllier.  Liverpool's best spell under him came after he had his heart attack and Big Nose Thompson was running the team.  Spent more money on more shite than anybody else.  Including £11M on Heskey.

The only reason he's in the frame is he's made it known he's interested.  He's not managed for 3 years.  Not a chance imho
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: eastie on August 29, 2010, 09:14:16 PM
If it's a choice of houllier or Sven i'd prefer Sven but either would probably do a decent job.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2010, 09:18:12 PM
Houllier's a good manager. Isn't he known for his narrow tactics though?
His reputation for spending a fortune buying shit is second to none.

I would be unhappy with Houllier.  Liverpool's best spell under him came after he had his heart attack and Big Nose Thompson was running the team.  Spent more money on more shite than anybody else.  Including £11M on Heskey.

The only reason he's in the frame is he's made it known he's interested.  He's not managed for 3 years.  Not a chance imho
Thanks, Mac. I'll sleep easier tonight.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2010, 09:27:41 PM
Would this "people who have managed in the PL" thing exclude someone like Querioz, who has not managed in the Premier League, but has decent experience in it?
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2010, 09:44:53 PM
I can cope as long as it's not Allardyce or Curbishley
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 29, 2010, 09:54:03 PM
Not happy with premier league management experience requirement. What if there is an ex premier league player won the title in Germany and Portugal league as a manager want a job.I would like to see a manager have managed more than 2 countries. Get the like of Guus Hiddick, Jose Mourinho, Sven Goran Erikkson instead of Paul Hart and co.

I want a Wenger type appointment. 
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2010, 09:56:52 PM
Would this "people who have managed in the PL" thing exclude someone like Querioz, who has not managed in the Premier League, but has decent experience in it?

If someone like Querioz comes available you have to be interested. With his coaching CV and his experinence at domestic and international level, he'd be a great appointment.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2010, 10:17:45 PM
Would this "people who have managed in the PL" thing exclude someone like Querioz, who has not managed in the Premier League, but has decent experience in it?
I would hope so. Randy was sitting next to football's Mr Fix-it Keith Harris, who apart from possibly being one of the Club's advisors, is a Man Utd fan. I would trust that the Club are aware of Quieroz's current situation with the Portuguese national side.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2010, 10:41:52 PM
Would this "people who have managed in the PL" thing exclude someone like Querioz, who has not managed in the Premier League, but has decent experience in it?
I would hope so. Randy was sitting next to football's Mr Fix-it Keith Harris, who apart from possibly being one of the Club's advisors, if a Man Utd fan. I would trust that the Club are aware of Quieroz's current situation with the Portuguese national side.

Mark, what do you make of this?

**Throw's some more coal on the Quieroz fire**

Quote
General Krulak here:

1.  I think it is important for a Manager to be familiar with the PL because in many ways it differs from other leagues.  I do not intend to say that they have had to managed in the PL but that they be familiar with it.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: sfx412 on August 29, 2010, 10:47:10 PM
the whole managerial thing has been more cloak and dagger than a Spooks episode so they are holding interviews at Bodymoor and letting the whole world know. Good one, made me smile.
As to who will be the new man can't see the point of speculating further. Judging by the way everyone has a reason for denigrating any candidate on offer its pointless. But then isn't it always so. I just hope the naysayers and those critical of the Board don't get their way. Another Mon.

Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Matt C on August 29, 2010, 10:47:24 PM
Keeps the Quieroz fire burning nicely, keeps Klinsmann in the running too.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2010, 10:49:00 PM
The General just clarified it's premier league experience rather than management experience, which opens up options.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Chris Smith on August 29, 2010, 10:49:36 PM
I'm familiar with th PL but I don't intend to make myself available.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2010, 10:50:08 PM
Would this "people who have managed in the PL" thing exclude someone like Querioz, who has not managed in the Premier League, but has decent experience in it?
I would hope so. Randy was sitting next to football's Mr Fix-it Keith Harris, who apart from possibly being one of the Club's advisors, if a Man Utd fan. I would trust that the Club are aware of Quieroz's current situation with the Portuguese national side.

Mark, what do you make of this?

**Throw's some more coal on the Quieroz fire**

Quote
General Krulak here:

1.  I think it is important for a Manager to be familiar with the PL because in many ways it differs from other leagues.  I do not intend to say that they have had to managed in the PL but that they be familiar with it.
I'm saying nothing more until I've been down the bookies. (winky)
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2010, 10:56:08 PM
Would this "people who have managed in the PL" thing exclude someone like Querioz, who has not managed in the Premier League, but has decent experience in it?
I would hope so. Randy was sitting next to football's Mr Fix-it Keith Harris, who apart from possibly being one of the Club's advisors, if a Man Utd fan. I would trust that the Club are aware of Quieroz's current situation with the Portuguese national side.

Mark, what do you make of this?

**Throw's some more coal on the Quieroz fire**

Quote
General Krulak here:

1.  I think it is important for a Manager to be familiar with the PL because in many ways it differs from other leagues.  I do not intend to say that they have had to managed in the PL but that they be familiar with it.
I'm saying nothing more until I've been down the bookies. (winky)

get's on the blower to Usain Bolt to beat Kelly to William Hill
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Irish villain on August 29, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
It's all starting to take shape. There was no panic after MON did one, there was no panic after the Newcastle and Rapid Vienna defeats, a hard fought one nil win against a rival today and suddenly we have two weeks to find THE man to take us on.

I for one am quite content tonight. Sven or Klinsmann I reckon.... I don't think the Houllier rumour has any foundation and unfortunately for us we probably can't get Moyes or Jol.


That said, Sky did show Randy and Moyes greeting each other with a hearty handshake at VP today!
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: sfx412 on August 29, 2010, 11:11:29 PM
I'd suggest any manager and a few others who have managed in Europe fits the latest clarification. I'm sure they are all aware of the PL:)
Puts hope of a real manager back into the equation mind.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: The Walshmeister on August 29, 2010, 11:16:51 PM
Just had a fiver on Queiroz @ 100/1...............Anyone else fancy him after the announcement? Klinsmann is 50/1.................Houllier 7's.....

Maybe some easy money here kids!
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: BedsVillain on August 29, 2010, 11:23:17 PM
It's all starting to take shape. There was no panic after MON  did one, there was no panic after the Newcastle and Rapid Vienna defeats, a hard fought one nil wina gainst a rival today and suddenly we have two weeks to find THE man to take us on.

I for one am quite content tonight. Sven or Klinsmann I reckon.... I don't think Houllier rumour has any foundation and unfortunately for us we probably can't get Moyes or Jol.


That said, Sky did show Rany and Moyes greetign each other with a hearty handshake at VP today!

Well maybe now would be the time to go all out for Moyes, Everton are in the bottom three with 1 point and we're in the top 4 with 6, that's 5 free points for Moyes for a short trip down the M6!
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2010, 12:14:56 AM
I'm familiar with th PL but I don't intend to make myself available.

I won't believe this till I see the yellow strap bar rolling on channel 405.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 30, 2010, 12:17:18 AM
Houllier
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 30, 2010, 12:17:47 AM
Not happy with premier league management experience requirement. What if there is an ex premier league player won the title in Germany and Portugal league as a manager want a job.I would like to see a manager have managed more than 2 countries. Get the like of Guus Hiddick, Jose Mourinho, Sven Goran Erikkson instead of Paul Hart and co.

I want a Wenger type appointment. 

French prick?
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2010, 12:34:24 AM
Just had a fiver on Queiroz @ 100/1...............Anyone else fancy him after the announcement? Klinsmann is 50/1.................Houllier 7's.....

Maybe some easy money here kids!
There's one born every day. (winky)
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: stevenjos on August 30, 2010, 12:37:08 AM
So we're stuck with husky...... Sigh
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 30, 2010, 12:39:21 AM
So we're stuck with husky...... Sigh
Why don't you apply? You seem fully qualified.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: stevenjos on August 30, 2010, 12:45:01 AM
How am I qualified, I don't have coaching badges... You know they involve the line " I will play useless donkey until we are mediocre!" ?

So we're stuck with husky...... Sigh
Why don't you apply? You seem fully qualified.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 30, 2010, 12:51:57 AM
Houllier's a good manager. Isn't he known for his narrow tactics though?
His reputation for spending a fortune buying shit is second to none.

Second to MON's?
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Eigentor on August 30, 2010, 10:07:42 AM
Houllier's a good manager. Isn't he known for his narrow tactics though?
His reputation for spending a fortune buying shit is second to none.

Second to MON's?

MON signed Harewood, Beye and Shorey. But he also bought Dunne, Milner, Young, Friedel and Collins.

The only good Houllier signings I can think of, is Hyypiä, Hamann and McAllister, while there is an almost endless list of shite signings (Cheyrou, Diouf, Diao, Ziege ...).

I'd say Houllier's record is worse than MON's.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: les spragg on August 30, 2010, 10:23:06 AM
Why has nobody mentioned Niel Warnock?? what are the odds for him? he has managed in the premiership, he is used to working with little money and also would be worth it for entertainment value in post match interviews
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: andyh on August 30, 2010, 10:28:00 AM
Why has nobody mentioned Niel Warnock?? what are the odds for him? he has managed in the premiership, he is used to working with little money and also would be worth it for entertainment value in post match interviews

errrr, Ill take a stab. Maybe because we are Villa and he ain't good enough.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Legion on August 30, 2010, 10:32:19 AM
Alan Pardew is now available.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 30, 2010, 04:28:24 PM
Not sure how to feel about this.

Good points rules out Bradley

Bad points could still be Curbishley, Southgate or Sven although I think we'd have to be pretty stupid to give it to Southgate
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: littlevillain on August 30, 2010, 04:40:33 PM
thank fck that takes bradley out the picture.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: petegoldring on August 30, 2010, 05:57:13 PM
Alan Pardew is now available.

Oh please no.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Top Cat on August 30, 2010, 06:13:24 PM
I can cope as long as it's not Allardyce or Curbishley

I'm with you on that.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: steffo on August 30, 2010, 08:44:41 PM
Roy Keane anyone?

Mad as a hatter but take no prisoners?

Like voting Liberal or what?
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Ger Regan on August 30, 2010, 08:52:26 PM
And if you thought some of MON's singings were bad.......
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Legion on August 30, 2010, 09:01:30 PM
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Mac on September 06, 2010, 12:35:53 PM
Houllier's a good manager. Isn't he known for his narrow tactics though?
His reputation for spending a fortune buying shit is second to none.

I would be unhappy with Houllier.  Liverpool's best spell under him came after he had his heart attack and Big Nose Thompson was running the team.  Spent more money on more shite than anybody else.  Including £11M on Heskey.

The only reason he's in the frame is he's made it known he's interested.  He's not managed for 3 years.  Not a chance imho

Listen to the man that knows everything............
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Eigentor on September 06, 2010, 01:11:11 PM
From this, I'd say Houllier is the most likely choice.

From the "clues" in Faulkner's statement I immediately thought that Houllier was the most likely candidate. However, based on the following newspaper reports I changed my mind and guessed that it would be either Kevin MacDonald or Tony Pulis!

Ho hum.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Namaste on September 06, 2010, 01:15:58 PM
MON signed Harewood, Beye and Shorey. But he also bought Dunne, Milner, Young, Friedel and Collins.

The only good Houllier signings I can think of, is Hyypiä, Hamann and McAllister, while there is an almost endless list of shite signings (Cheyrou, Diouf, Diao, Ziege ...).

I'd say Houllier's record is worse than MON's.

I wouldn't, Houllier won trophies at Liverpool.

Furthermore, Diouf is a good player but is mentally challenged; Ziege had injury problems; Diao was signed on the back of a great WC. You are also forgetting one or two other players such as Babbel for instance who was a very good player for them.
Title: Re: Statement from VP
Post by: Eigentor on September 06, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
MON signed Harewood, Beye and Shorey. But he also bought Dunne, Milner, Young, Friedel and Collins.

The only good Houllier signings I can think of, is Hyypiä, Hamann and McAllister, while there is an almost endless list of shite signings (Cheyrou, Diouf, Diao, Ziege ...).

I'd say Houllier's record is worse than MON's.

I wouldn't, Houllier won trophies at Liverpool.

I meant transfer record. Overall, Houllier is probably a better manager than MON.
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