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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on August 27, 2010, 11:51:00 PM
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I've been having a few discussions with sources close to the Villa today, and here's the curent state of play:
Due to the timing of Martin's departure Kevin Mac was given the job on a short-term basis to provide stability and continuity. His knowledge of the players and success with the reserve team made this the logical choice, despite the last couple of results.
Interviews for the job will be taking place early next week. A manager could have been appointed already, but we don't want just anyone - we need someone who understands how important the job of Aston Villa manager is. The right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.
Above all the overall thinking, the long-term plans and ambitions of everyone at Villa Park haven't changed.
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Thanks for that. Pretty much what they said in the beginning. If the club kept the fans informed a little more regularly they might help put a stop to the endless rumours.
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Please let them bring the right man in then. If we are set to sign any more players before the new manager arrives, I wonder if the board have told the shortlist of potential managers whom they will be coming to work with.
Bloody transfer windows. Pain in the arse!
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So basicly your "scources" have used you in a pathetic attempt to pacify the fans.
"interveiwing" ffs
I can just imagine the scenario now:
"well Mr Jol-what do you do in your spare time?"
"I read books & play squash sir"
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So basicly your "scources" have used you in a pathetic attempt to pacify the fans.
"interveiwing" ffs
I can just imagine the scenario now:
"well Mr Jol-what do you do in your spare time?"
"I read books & play squash sir"
Surely its important to see if everyone gets on?
If the new manager thinks Randy is a twat there working relationship is not going to last 5 minuets is it?
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That is fair enough, even though it brought to mind Mandy Rice-Davies.
I can't pretend that I'm not concerned about some of the things that have happened (or not happened) over the summer and I'm not prepared to lay the blame for that entirely at the feet of the recently departed. But if the club's long-term plans and ambitions are intact, if the required investment is made available and if a very good manager is appointed, the truth or otherwise of our ambitions will become self-evident.
I had thought if we managed to keep Milner in the team we still had some room for improvement this season, even without further additions. If Ireland can play to his potential and a new manger can get us back to being very difficult to beat whilst adding some excitement into the mix, we could still be in for a decent season.
I'm trying very hard to look for positives at the moment and hearing that the senior figures in the club are happy to be judged on the long-term plans and ambitions they sold us on 4 years ago, is good news from my perspective. Now, with a bit of luck we'll get a win on Sunday and things will be looking a bit brighter by the time we play Stoke (anyone got a spare? ;) )
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So basicly your "scources" have used you in a pathetic attempt to pacify the fans.
"interveiwing" ffs
I can just imagine the scenario now:
"well Mr Jol-what do you do in your spare time?"
"I read books & play squash sir"
I'm not entering into a debate. I'm reporting what I've been told; I don't consider that pathetic and neither do I consider myself to have been used.
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I've been having a few discussions with sources close to the Villa today, and here's the curent state of play:
Due to the timing of Martin's departure Kevin Mac was given the job on a short-term basis to provide stability and continuity. His knowledge of the players and success with the reserve team made this the logical choice, despite the last couple of results.
Interviews for the job will be taking place early next week. A manager could have been appointed already, but we don't want just anyone - we need someone who understands how important the job of Aston Villa manager is. The right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.
Above all the overall thinking, the long-term plans and ambitions of everyone at Villa Park haven't changed.
Thanks Dave.
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Thanks for the info Dave.
My initial thought is that there's nothing surprising in all that. But what on earth does "someone who understands how important the job of Aston Villa manager is" mean and what possible impact could that have on the selection process? No self-respecting candidate is likely to walk into the interview and speak about the club in anything less than glowing terms. It could be deployed as a reason why a particular individual didn't get the job, I suppose, e.g. we get Curbishley instead of Eriksson - "the club felt that Mr Eriksson didn't fully understand how important the job of Aston Villa manager is".
I'm sure everyone at the club is doing what they think is best but some of the meaningless stuff they come out with at times to try to get the fans onside is exasperating.
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So Kevin Mac not the one then it seems.
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I guess it's about finding somebody that will stick around rather than use the Villa job as a stepping stone, Hilts. Somebody that's not just doing it for the money (Sven?), somebody the Chairman can trust with his money, somebody that gives a damn.
Edit: Cheers, Dave.
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Thanks for the info Dave.
My initial thought is that there's nothing surprising in all that. But what on earth does "someone who understands how important the job of Aston Villa manager is" mean and what possible impact could that have on the selection process? No self-respecting candidate is likely to walk into the interview and speak about the club in anything less than glowing terms. It could be deployed as a reason why a particular individual didn't get the job, I suppose, e.g. we get Curbishley instead of Eriksson - "the club felt that Mr Eriksson didn't fully understand how important the job of Aston Villa manager is".
I'm sure everyone at the club is doing what they think is best but some of the meaningless stuff they come out with at times to try to get the fans onside is exasperating.
I think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms.
Whether "the selection panel" have the ability to tell the difference, I don't know.
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I guess it's about finding somebody that will stick around rather than use the Villa job as a stepping stone, Hilts. Somebody that's not just doing it for the money (Sven?), somebody the Chairman can trust with his money, somebody that gives a damn.
And who would be daft enough to admit to anything else in a job interview? And what difference will it make in practical terms? I mean, no doubt Kevin MacDonald is more aware than any other candidate how important the Villa job is (whatever that means) but is he the best man for the job? Demonstrably not.
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I think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms.
How is it unique? What additional responsibilities does it carry that no other management job has? How did this come into play when we appointed Graham Turner, or O'Leary, or Billy McNeill?
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I think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms.
How is it unique? What additional responsibilities does it carry that no other management job has? How did this come into play when we appointed Graham Turner, or O'Leary, or Billy McNeill?
The last two didn't understand, which is why they failed. Ron Saunders and Sir Graham understood, which in part is why they succeeded. BFR, Brian Little, and even John Gregory understood. I don't think O'Neill did.
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I guess it's about finding somebody that will stick around rather than use the Villa job as a stepping stone, Hilts. Somebody that's not just doing it for the money (Sven?), somebody the Chairman can trust with his money, somebody that gives a damn.
And who would be daft enough to admit to anything else in a job interview? And what difference will it make in practical terms? I mean, no doubt Kevin MacDonald is more aware than any other candidate how important the Villa job is (whatever that means) but is he the best man for the job? Demonstrably not.
I would hope they're looking for a long term relationship rather than somebody that they'll need to replace in two years time.
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long time lurker, first time poster
the reason this is my first post?
Mr Lerner WILL appoint the new manager.....and he WILL appoint the new manager on TUESDAY
why is that?
well its after the transfer window and he wont have to spend any money
the same reason MON left
we arent really that thick on here that we cant see that?
Bob Bradley - should be good, never managed a club side in his life - let the OLD DAYS roll
again
sorry for posting the above
cant believe people cant see what is staring them in the eyes!!!
1 "signing" this summer
another 2 "signings" to come when Ashley goes to spuds
and we cant see the wool?
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I think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms.
How is it unique? What additional responsibilities does it carry that no other management job has? How did this come into play when we appointed Graham Turner, or O'Leary, or Billy McNeill?
The last two didn't understand, which is why they failed. Ron Saunders and Sir Graham understood, which in part is why they succeeded. BFR, Brian Little, and even John Gregory understood. I don't think O'Neill did.
It seems to me that we'd better get ready for Kevin MacDonald, Curbishley or Southgate because what this points to is someone who has been at the club before. How else is a candidate supposed to have this insight into what this specific job entails? Apart from those three, I'm not sure there is anyone else out there who has any connection with the club.
It's too easy to draw a correlation between the successful managers and those who had this "understanding" of the job because it becomes a truism. And if there is no correlation then it doesn't make any difference.
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even John Gregory understood. I don't think O'Neill did.
It seems to me that we'd better get ready for Kevin MacDonald, Curbishley or Southgate because what this points to is someone who has been at the club before. How else is a candidate supposed to have this insight into what this specific job entails? Apart from those three, I'm not sure there is anyone else out there who has any connection with the club.
It's too easy to draw a correlation between the successful managers and those who had this "understanding" of the job because it becomes a truism. And if there is no correlation then it doesn't make any difference.
You really don't get it tonight do you?
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I guess it's about finding somebody that will stick around rather than use the Villa job as a stepping stone, Hilts. Somebody that's not just doing it for the money (Sven?), somebody the Chairman can trust with his money, somebody that gives a damn.
Edit: Cheers, Dave.
I think that's it Mark. Everyone who applies is going to want the job and say the right things. But in an interview it's about separating the bullshitters from the true candidates who see the entire picture. I said this before but I think the board want to expand themselves more aggressively outside of the UK because for the most part that's been untapped territory for us in the past 25 years. The process is going to be gradual, and the defeat in Europe this week is a massive blow to those intentions. Still, I think, there will be some strong candidates that will emerge this week that will ultimately "get it" and buy into what we are trying to achieve short, medium an long term.
Yes, and thanks Dave. It's been a testing 10 days all told for all of us, and we all want the same thing despite our various position on a number of topics. The appointment of a manager is a massive deal for us, and it has to be handled properly. The timing of MON's departure and the proximity to the transfer deadline has us all on edge. I'm sure it will work out well.
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sorry
my first post is basically bad about the club
but when i see a chairman getting rid of the best manager since big ron (league wise), it hurts
it hurts that since the "big crest of a wave result" v west ham (who are lucky that there will be 3 teams even worse than them)
that we get hit by 6, not a one off bad result as we got tanked 7-1 last year by Chelsea, by a pish poor outfit like Newcastle
then we follow that up with that crap v Rapid
and our chairman sits there a not a question of him and what he is now doing to this club
lets be honest here
we have a choice (and this is the BEST choice)
between bradley and Sven
i hate what Aston Villa do to my heart
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I've been having a few discussions with sources close to the Villa today, and here's the curent state of play:
Due to the timing of Martin's departure Kevin Mac was given the job on a short-term basis to provide stability and continuity. His knowledge of the players and success with the reserve team made this the logical choice, despite the last couple of results.
Interviews for the job will be taking place early next week. A manager could have been appointed already, but we don't want just anyone - we need someone who understands how important the job of Aston Villa manager is. The right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.
Above all the overall thinking, the long-term plans and ambitions of everyone at Villa Park haven't changed.
Perhaps these interviews should have been taking place soon after MON jumped ship. By the time someone is brought in the transfer window is likely to be closed. A cynic might argue that may well have been the board's thinking all along. We badly need a defensive midfielder and cover at full back I'd argue to have any kind of decent season.
I guess it looks like that any of those available - Sven, Bradley etc arent being considered. I think Kevin McDonald should be kindly told that this gig isnt for him either. Lets be honest about it what other management job in the EPL would he be considered for or Bradley for that matter?
Which leads me to hope that it must be someone currently under contract. The Nzogbia move has fallen through - could McLeish be persuade to cross the city? Id argue Walter Smith has a better record than McLeish but I think either appointment lacks ambition.
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how can you react that fast? If you've ever had to deal with an employee leaving your company you would understand how hard it is get everything together and make a solid appointment. And that's at lower levels. Hiring a football manager of a PL club would be much harder than if this was a team in League 2. The expectations are so much higher and the demands so much greater. The transfer window compresses everything, but you cannot make an important hire with only that in mind, or even as primary concern. Quite frankly I would sooner make the right hire and go with what we have squad wise until January than make a rush appointment. It's very frustrating for all of us, but the board are going about this the right way given all of the conditions they have to deal with.
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You really don't get it tonight do you?
Get what? TV has it spot on: it's about getting someone on board who is committed, agrees with the objectives and strategy, and who can bring experience and influence to bear in attempting to achieve them. If that's what they mean by understanding the importance of the Villa job then fair enough but the same can be said of pretty much any club looking to appoint a new manager. The candidate with the best track record and the most convincing approach at interview will, or should, get the job.
As soon as I hear phrases about undefinable qualities like "an understanding of the importance of the Villa job", and vd talking about the uniqueness of the job, then alarm bells start ringing.
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I think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms.
How is it unique? What additional responsibilities does it carry that no other management job has? How did this come into play when we appointed Graham Turner, or O'Leary, or Billy McNeill?
It stems from being the founders of the football league and having been the most successful team in the most important football nation for the majority of our history. For some people its ancient history, for others it's who we are. Very few English clubs have earned the right to be mentioned in the same breath as Aston Villa. Whatever the circumstances of the club at the time of a managerial appointment, if the man doesn't have that understanding of Aston Villa in his blood, he'll struggle.
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The right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.
My guess is Carlos Quieroz. He has some unfinished business (Euro qualifiers next week) but as I've mentioned several times now, I think he would work very well with the current board and would jump at the chance to join Villa.
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I think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms.
How is it unique? What additional responsibilities does it carry that no other management job has? How did this come into play when we appointed Graham Turner, or O'Leary, or Billy McNeill?
It stems from being the founders of the football league and having been the most successful team in the most important football nation for the majority of our history. For some people its ancient history, for others it's who we are. Very few English clubs have earned the right to be mentioned in the same breath as Aston Villa. Whatever the circumstances of the club at the time of a managerial appointment, if the man doesn't have that understanding of Aston Villa in his blood, he'll struggle.
I think that's going to play into it. For me a lot was revealed when the General called out MON for acting bigger than the club and they don't want that again. It has to be club first and everyone pulling in the same direction. Which is the way it should be. Someone who shares the vision. The history and heritage of this club is fabulous, but it shouldn't be a determining factor in our appointment. Let the board and fans protect the history. The new manager will have enough on his plate dealing with making us successful today and in the future.
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The right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.
My guess is Carlos Quieroz. He has some unfinished business (Euro qualifiers next week) but as I've mentioned several times now, I think he would work very well with the current board and would jump at the chance to join Villa.
He'd be a super hire Mark. A top coach with a lot to fulfil in his career.
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You really don't get it tonight do you?
Get what? TV has it spot on: it's about getting someone on board who is committed, agrees with the objectives and strategy, and who can bring experience and influence to bear in attempting to achieve them.
And that's more or less it. It's a big job, at a club which if handled properly can hit the heights, but which is also an institution and which for over 130 years has had a reputation for doing things right. It's not a stepping stone en route to a better job, and it's not just one more page on a CV.
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but when i see a chairman getting rid of the best manager since big ron (league wise), it hurts
Got rid? He walked out on us, and don't forget that.
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The right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.
My guess is Carlos Quieroz. He has some unfinished business (Euro qualifiers next week) but as I've mentioned several times now, I think he would work very well with the current board and would jump at the chance to join Villa.
He'd be a super hire Mark. A top coach with a lot to fulfil in his career.
Add to that his knowledge of players around the world, I'm sure he'd offer a great deal to the club. I'm sure Man Utd signing Bebe last week wasn't lost on the board, not to mention the story of Quieroz wanting to sign Pepe at Real Madrid for next to nothing. They turned him down at the time then signed him for £26m a couple of years later.
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Whatever the circumstances of the club at the time of a managerial appointment, if the man doesn't have that understanding of Aston Villa in his blood, he'll struggle.
Which of the umpteen candidates listed on the other thread would you say have that understanding of Aston Villa in their blood?
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I think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms.
How is it unique? What additional responsibilities does it carry that no other management job has? How did this come into play when we appointed Graham Turner, or O'Leary, or Billy McNeill?
It stems from being the founders of the football league and having been the most successful team in the most important football nation for the majority of our history. For some people its ancient history, for others it's who we are. Very few English clubs have earned the right to be mentioned in the same breath as Aston Villa. Whatever the circumstances of the club at the time of a managerial appointment, if the man doesn't have that understanding of Aston Villa in his blood, he'll struggle.
I think that's going to play into it. For me a lot was revealed when the General called out MON for acting bigger than the club and they don't want that again. It has to be club first and everyone pulling in the same direction. Which is the way it should be. Someone who shares the vision. The history and heritage of this club is fabulous, but it shouldn't be a determining factor in our appointment. Let the board and fans protect the history. The new manager will have enough on his plate dealing with making us successful today and in the future.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the manager needs to protect our history, I'm saying that the unique nature of Aston Villa stems from those historic roots. All football clubs are not the same, they are not made equal. A candidate might be the ideal man to run Daihatsu but he wouldn't necessarily be the right man for Rolls Royce.
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You really don't get it tonight do you?
Get what? TV has it spot on: it's about getting someone on board who is committed, agrees with the objectives and strategy, and who can bring experience and influence to bear in attempting to achieve them.
And that's more or less it. It's a big job, at a club which if handled properly can hit the heights, but which is also an institution and which for over 130 years has had a reputation for doing things right. It's not a stepping stone en route to a better job, and it's not just one more page on a CV.
Good. I'm glad the board are seeing it that way. That's my fear with the likes of Jol. As good as could be he always strikes me as someone who is looking for the next big job. Maybe I'm mistaken in that, but he's bounced around a lot in recent years (obviously Spurs was not of his doing). I want to have a manager who understands the "plan", not this 5 year plan nonsense. That there is a larger objective out there that demands success while upholding everything good that we know we are and have been. And that he, like the board are in it for the long haul. I think that's where MON royally fucked up when he wanted out for Liverpool. The board instantly knew right there that the relationship could not work any longer as he no longer shared Randy's vision.
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The right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.
My guess is Carlos Quieroz. He has some unfinished business (Euro qualifiers next week) but as I've mentioned several times now, I think he would work very well with the current board and would jump at the chance to join Villa.
He'd be a super hire Mark. A top coach with a lot to fulfil in his career.
Add to that his knowledge of players around the world, I'm sure he'd offer a great deal to the club. I'm sure Man Utd signing Bebe last week wasn't lost on the board, not to mention the story of Quieroz wanting to sign Pepe at Real Madrid for next to nothing. They turned him down at the time then signed him for £26m a couple of years later.
Not meaning to get carried away here Mark, but wouldn't having someone at the club with a Wenger like eye for talent be just brilliant?
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Whatever the circumstances of the club at the time of a managerial appointment, if the man doesn't have that understanding of Aston Villa in his blood, he'll struggle.
Which of the umpteen candidates listed on the other thread would you say have that understanding of Aston Villa in their blood?
I've no idea but I do believe the ability to understand Aston Villa Football Club as more than a name on the classified results is a prerequisite for a successful Villa manager.
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He'd be a super hire Mark. A top coach with a lot to fulfil in his career.
I don't see though that Queiroz fulfills vd's criteria of having an understanding of Aston Villa in his blood. But then I'm not sure that any of the candidates do, apart from Kevin MacDonald.
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He'd be a super hire Mark. A top coach with a lot to fulfil in his career.
I don't see though that Queiroz fulfills vd's criteria of having an understanding of Aston Villa in his blood. But then I'm not sure that any of the candidates do, apart from Kevin MacDonald.
I don't really agree that they need to have any Villa in their blood at all in my opinion. Alex Ferguson didn't have any Man U in his blood when he joined from Aberdeen, but as big as he is now in the game, he would never consider himself bigger than the club. That's what I hope our new manager would grow into.
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I've no idea but I do believe the ability to understand Aston Villa Football Club as more than a name on the classified results is a prerequisite for a successful Villa manager.
This is the trouble with abstract ideas like this, it's impossible to define and therefore very difficult to tell whether or not someone has it. That's why I'm uneasy about it being a big factor in the selection process.
I would expect the successful candidate to be passionate about the job without necessarily having to be passionate about the club, at least to begin with. It's unreasonable to expect someone with no previous connection to the club to have that.
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The right guy is out there, but getting him takes time, and when he arrives he will take the club forward.
My guess is Carlos Quieroz. He has some unfinished business (Euro qualifiers next week) but as I've mentioned several times now, I think he would work very well with the current board and would jump at the chance to join Villa.
He'd be a super hire Mark. A top coach with a lot to fulfil in his career.
Add to that his knowledge of players around the world, I'm sure he'd offer a great deal to the club. I'm sure Man Utd signing Bebe last week wasn't lost on the board, not to mention the story of Quieroz wanting to sign Pepe at Real Madrid for next to nothing. They turned him down at the time then signed him for £26m a couple of years later.
Do you know the nature of his suspension for the Portugal team. Is he involved in the training and preparation for the 2 international games in any way or is Olivieira on his own?
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I've no idea but I do believe the ability to understand Aston Villa Football Club as more than a name on the classified results is a prerequisite for a successful Villa manager.
This is the trouble with abstract ideas like this, it's impossible to define and therefore very difficult to tell whether or not someone has it. That's why I'm uneasy about it being a big factor in the selection process.
I would expect the successful candidate to be passionate about the job without necessarily having to be passionate about the club, at least to begin with. It's unreasonable to expect someone with no previous connection to the club to have that.
I'm sorry, I haven't made myself clear. I am talking about a candidate that has the ability to understand the special nature of this club, rather than someone who comes to the table with it already fully formed.
I'm not saying it is easy to determine who has that in their nature. What I am saying is that trying to determine who has, should be an important part of the selection process, along with other more prosaic qualities we would expect of a Villa manager. I agree it is difficult to tell who has it but that shouldn't stop them trying.
A Villa manager has to truly believe in his heart of hearts that he is at one of the most important football clubs in the world. Otherwise he'll struggle to carry it off.
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but when i see a chairman getting rid of the best manager since big ron (league wise), it hurts
Got rid? He walked out on us, and don't forget that.
And the fact he's talking out his arse, don't forget that. Best league wise since BFR? Please.
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Which of the umpteen candidates listed on the other thread would you say have that understanding of Aston Villa in their blood?
We don't know, we've not interviewed them yet. But they're football people. At least one will get "it", no doubt more. You can talk about this club and fill a room with platitudes exhualting our greatness, but it means nothing if they have a hollow ring to it as O’Leary’s did.
Saunders got it without being a Villa man. It’s possible, no, highly likely, that there is a candidate out there with the spark of genius and the knowledge of the club, its ethos, what we are about and all we’ve done.
In the next two weeks I think we’ll bag him. I have full confidence in Randy Lerner.
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Koeman strongly linked today and on the shortlist apparently!
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Perhaps we could try and stop such a microscopic analysis of each word that was relayed to Dave and which he has kindly passed on to us?
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I prefer there is not panic in appointing someone, if the transfer window closes and we have to go 15/16 ? league games before it re-opens then so be it.
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Cheers Dave. One thing that is worrying me is it seems like they're preparing us for Bradley.
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If I am looking for a manager I will look for someone in Arsene Wenger mould with a passion of English players. Build a beautiful footballing team that win things.
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The one thing I was really worried about was when they said Kevin Macdonald was in the frame "if he wanted too apply" his first reaction was not a resounding "yes I'm interested".
Reading into your comments Dave is that the board will employ the best candidate, who really shows they want it with passion, who knows how important a job it is, how big a club Aston Villa is, how important the fans are and above all be qualified enough to do it.
We can only trust and hope the board get this right.
Thanks Dave.
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Jj , in what way does daves report to us suggest the board is preparing for bradley?
I cannot possibly imagine them appointing a man with no experience of managing in Europe!
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A Villa manager has to truly believe in his heart of hearts that he is at one of the most important football clubs in the world. Otherwise he'll struggle to carry it off.
I appreciate you clarifying it vd but if we believe that to be true then surely the club deserves a manager of a far higher calibre than, for instance, Bob Bradley or Kevin MacDonald. If the club genuinely believes itself to be one of the most important football clubs in the world then surely only the very best will do?
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We don't know, we've not interviewed them yet. But they're football people. At least one will get "it", no doubt more.
No I realise that but what I'm asking is, in your judgment, which of them do, or perhaps which of them are most likely to?
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Jj , in what way does daves report to us suggest the board is preparing for bradley?
I cannot possibly imagine them appointing a man with no experience of managing in Europe!
The someone who 'understands the importance of managing Villa' bit. It'd just be another job to a Sven, Pellegrini, Magath or Klinsmann, wouldn't it?
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A Villa manager has to truly believe in his heart of hearts that he is at one of the most important football clubs in the world. Otherwise he'll struggle to carry it off.
I appreciate you clarifying it vd but if we believe that to be true then surely the club deserves a manager of a far higher calibre than, for instance, Bob Bradley or Kevin MacDonald. If the club genuinely believes itself to be one of the most important football clubs in the world then surely only the very best will do?
I actually think that it means to get in a manager that the club's best long term interests at heart. The best in the short term is not always the best for the long plan of the club.
We could get the best manager in the world by totally breaking the bank, only for him to ruin the club in one way or another.
I think the board are going about it the right way. the season was virtually a right off the moment MON spat his dummy out. So why rush into something stupid now?
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Jj , in what way does daves report to us suggest the board is preparing for bradley?
I cannot possibly imagine them appointing a man with no experience of managing in Europe!
The someone who 'understands the importance of managing Villa' bit. It'd just be another job to a Sven, Pellegrini, Magath or Klinsmann, wouldn't it?
This is my point: if the job is so important why on earth would we consider giving it to someone with absolutely zero experience of managing in Europe, let alone England? Surely one of the other four, who at the very least have managed at top European clubs, would have more appreciation of what it takes to manage a club of Villa's stature?
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Koeman strongly linked today and on the shortlist apparently!
Told you this weeks ago as this was the name the Villa backroom staff was hearing ....
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Trust in Randy he has his investment to protect.
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If they are being really ambitious, Queiroz is for me the stand out candidate. I'd much prefer him to Jol. This guy can spot talent before it emerges and he is an excellent coach. I think he was primarily responsible for ManU becomming even more expansive in their play a few years ago and then going on to win the CL. He would play very attractive football were he to pitch up at Villa. People say that he wasn't particularly successful at Madrid, but it is a basket case of a club, where if you are not winning 6-0 every week you are under pressure. He has a rich history in the game (interestingly he's also managed Grampus 8, just like a certain Mr Wenger). If we could prise him away from the Portugal job, I'm certain that he would have a big, positive effect on us in the long run.
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Quieroz is an interesting shout. But I'm not sure he's associated with expansive football. Koeman's track record is better than I thought, but he bombed in his last 2 jobs.
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I think there is the suggestion of the previous manager not really fully respecting the job he'd been given, thinking he was bigger than the position and possibly using it as a stepping stone for when the Liverpool/Man U job came up.
Anyway, did Diego Maradona get an interview Dave?
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Once "Terrific" walked out Randy had very few choices. Appointing KMac to stand in was the best thing he could do. He is not "ruling him out" at the mement becuase that is the right thing to do otherwise we will fall apart. However he will not appointment him the job will go to a "name".
To appoint someone on a fat contract in a hurry just to see if we can rush sign players in 10 days or so would have been foolish in the extreme.
As some of you pointed out hiring highly skilled resource is not an easy thing. Most Employers take their time go through headhunters and several selection loops and still only have a 50/50 chance of being right.
It is important to make the right choice for ASTON VILLA and missing 1 transfer window or losing a couple of League games is a price worth paying.
Having said that Randy please not BB!
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Thanks dave, i am pleased we are getting someware now we are being more carefull now as to get the right man for the job.
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I think that having a manager who understands what it is to be Aston Villa manager is incredibly important. It isn't the same as being manager of any other club in the world, we are unique. It also isn't the same as just being able to speak about the club in glowing terms.
How is it unique? What additional responsibilities does it carry that no other management job has? How did this come into play when we appointed Graham Turner, or O'Leary, or Billy McNeill?
The last two didn't understand, which is why they failed. Ron Saunders and Sir Graham understood, which in part is why they succeeded. BFR, Brian Little, and even John Gregory understood. I don't think O'Neill did.
I personally think O'Neill did understand. Maybe because he was'nt a Vila old boy like the others you mentioned just made it come across that way?
Sir Graham was'nt a Villa boy i know, but was a masterstoke by Doug and was a good enough manager to make it work and was'nt afraid to tell it like it was. Someone of a simillar ilk would'nt go amiss this time round.
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whoever is manager without substantial investment we will not get into the top 4 in any case!
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Taking time is sensible as far as the bigger picture is concerned, but not only do the fans need to see that something is being done in the search for a new manager, but also the players.
Bad communication results in people guessing and thats potentially a damaging situation.
We need the right appointment, and to be honest, I can't see a homegrown manager who stands out as right for the job, so Koeman or CQ would be my choice.
My one fear is Ash jumping ship because he doesn't know what is being done to replace MON!
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Taking time is sensible as far as the bigger picture is concerned, but not only do the fans need to see that something is being done in the search for a new manager, but also the players.
Bad communication results in people guessing and thats potentially a damaging situation.
We need the right appointment, and to be honest, I can't see a homegrown manager who stands out as right for the job, so Koeman or CQ would be my choice.
My one fear is Ash jumping ship because he doesn't know what is being done to replace MON!
Totally agree, I hope the players are being informed of what is going on a bit more than we are! If not you can bet some of them are going to their agents after recent results / performances "get me out of here".......
Jesus! Just flicked over to Soccer AM and Lee Hendrie is on looking as is more Orange as ever, what the f*ck does he look like!!!!
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cant see quiroz taking the job to be honest , but koemans pubicly quoted himself as being shortlisted .
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Perhaps we could try and stop such a microscopic analysis of each word that was relayed to Dave and which he has kindly passed on to us?
What do you mean by 'kindly'?
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Interviews for the job will be taking place early next week.
Why wait until next week to interview managers?! The board aren't training or managing the team directly, so surely they've had nothing better to do than to have started this process the second MON dropped us in the shit? Makes absolutely no sense to me - We're going to be haemorrhaging points in the meantime and progressively damaging the team's moral with every game that we go into and get trounced, as the last 2 have proved.
Transfer window will be well and truly shut too, so if Gabby gets injured, we're screwed! I just don't get it - We're fast becoming a laughing stock. :(
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In many ways I don't blame the board, but it puts us in a desperate situation in regards to the transfer window.
We are in for a torrid time this season whoever takes the job.
Thanks Dave.
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I think it is harsh to suggest he didn't "get" Aston Villa. I think he did, pretty much from the start. He had a high opinion of the club.
I think the problem at the end was that he had an even higher opinion of himself, and when it came to a little less for Martin O'Neill and a little more for Aston Villa he wasn't prepared to give it.
That's his decision, but i really do think he understood the club to start.
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the information is pretty much what the general has told us all along....
i still think that its a poor show to not even be interviewing candidates 3 / 4 weeks after the manager ran away...
thats not impatience, a lack of respect, or any other nonsense written by some individuals on this site, as we have had it drilled into us in the past that "actions speak louder than words", and while most things done by the board so far have been excellent, that does not mean that we have to blindly accept when the actions do not back up the words...
we can be happy with the board overall, but not be happy with the current actions... or apparent lack of action...
as the general has said on more than one occasion, actions speak louder than words, and since o'neill has left, all we have had is words...
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i still would like to hear martins version of events , i think he should have gone in may but is like to know just what he was told regarding the milner money
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Saunders got it without being a Villa man...
This whole "understands the special nature of Aston Villa" argument is nonsense if the examples given include the man who walked out of the club a couple of months before we were due to play a European Cup quarter final and pitched up on the other side of the city a week later.
All managers are self-serving - that's a direct consequence of being in a career where the likely tenure is usually no more than a couple of seasons. He simply doesn't have the time to immerse himself in the history and tradition. In the vast majority of cases, there is no point in the emotional investment.
All we can ask is that whoever is in the manager's seat does their best by the club during his time with us. They then in time become part of the tradition by dint of what they achieve. If they do that, where they go next - be it a local rival, the England job or retirement - is irrelevant.
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The Board seem to be carrying out a standard job application process which could have involved experts in an initial candidate sifting process. Now they have the final candidate list and the interview process starts.
3 weeks to do that is quick.
At least by the Stoke game there should be a new man in the dugout and maybe a few loan signings.
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Saunders got it without being a Villa man...
This whole "understands the special nature of Aston Villa" argument is nonsense if the examples given include the man who walked out of the club a couple of months before we were due to play a European Cup quarter final and pitched up on the other side of the city a week later.
All managers are self-serving - that's a direct consequence of being in a career where the likely tenure is usually no more than a couple of seasons. He simply doesn't have the time to immerse himself in the history and tradition. In the vast majority of cases, there is no point in the emotional investment.
All we can ask is that whoever is in the manager's seat does their best by the club during his time with us. They then in time become part of the tradition by dint of what they achieve. If they do that, where they go next - be it a local rival, the England job or retirement - is irrelevant.
Exactly, spot on. And quite what is the special nature of Aston Villa when we deride other clubs for thinking too that they are special like Newcastle, Spurs and Liverpool....
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Surely the notion of the specialness and importance of Aston Villa is at least matched by the plans to compete for the big prizes in the here and now to any self-respecting and ambitious manager? It's all well and good saying that the new manager has to 'understand' what Aston Villa means and can't use us as a stepping stone but if we come 15th this season and it looks as though the financial means to improve things aren't going to be in place to change that, how strong will the pull of Aston Villa be then?
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i still would like to hear martins version of events , i think he should have gone in may but is like to know just what he was told regarding the milner money
I don't care less what he was told about the Milner money. If I was Randy, I wouldn't have given him a penny either, on it on evidence of what I saw the other night! I'd make more use of it down the pub on a Friday night!
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Koeman strongly linked today and on the shortlist apparently!
Told you this weeks ago as this was the name the Villa backroom staff was hearing ....
Not pulled up too many trees in his managerial career and seems to have moved around a bit.
Having retired as a player after his stint with Feyenoord, Koeman became member of the coaching staff of Guus Hiddink during the 1998 World Cup along with Johan Neeskens and Frank Rijkaard. After the tournament Koeman was appointed the assistant coach of Barcelona. In 2000, he was handed his first managerial job as the head coach of Vitesse where he led the team to a UEFA Cup spot on a relatively limited budget.
[edit]Ajax
Koeman was appointed the manager of Ajax in 2001. Ajax' fortunes suffered a steady decline after Koeman got off to a successful start at the Amsterdam ArenA, winning a domestic double in 2001–02. Despite regaining the title in 2003–04, Ajax had fallen eight points behind rivals PSV in the Eredivisie. Coupled with Ajax being knocked out of the UEFA Cup by Auxerre, 3–2 on aggregate, lead Koeman to resign the following day on 25 February 2005.[6]
[edit]Benfica
Koeman bounced back quickly from a disappointing end to his reign at Ajax in February 2005, taking up the vacant position at Portuguese champions Benfica following the departure of legendary Italian Giovanni Trapattoni. In Benfica, against whom he won the 1988 European Cup final as a player with PSV, Koeman only won the Portuguese Supercup: the team finished the Portuguese League in third place (behind rivals Porto and Sporting) and was knocked out of the Portuguese Cup in the quarter-finals (after losing to Vitória de Guimarães). This, along with an offer from PSV, sufficed for the manager to leave one year before the end of his contract, even though Benfica reached the quarter-finals of the Champions League before losing to Barcelona, who ended up winning the trophy.
[edit]PSV
In the 2006–07 season, Koeman served as head coach of PSV, as successor of Guus Hiddink. PSV dominated the first season half, putting competitors as AZ and Ajax at a reasonable distance and PSV was almost destined to become champions again. However, PSV suffered in the second half of the season, also because of injuries of players Jefferson Farfán, Alex and Ibrahim Afellay, obtaining only 19 out 39 possible points.[7] AZ and Ajax regained their momentum, making for a close finish, with all three teams tied at 72 points before the last competition day.[8] AZ played struggling Excelsior in their final match, but did not manage to win. Ajax played at Willem II, but did not score enough goals; it was PSV eventually who triumphed against all odds, winning at home 5–1 against Vitesse Arnhem, and thereby becoming Eredivisie champions on goal difference.
[edit]Valencia
On 31 October 2007 Koeman agreed to be the new coach of Valencia after the sacking of Quique Flores.[9] With Valencia he won the 2007–08 Spanish Cup, a tournament he previously won as a player of Barcelona. This was Valencia's first Copa del Rey since 1998–99.[10] The remainder of his tenure at Valencia would prove disappointing. The team would slump to 15th in the league, only two points above the relegation zone. A 5–1 defeat by Athletic Bilbao would prove the final nail in Koeman's time with Valencia. He was sacked the following day, on 21 April 2008.[10]
[edit]AZ
He was appointed manager of AZ on 18 May 2009,[11][12] after Louis van Gaal, who won the Eredivisie 2008-09 with AZ, joined Bayern Munich.[13] On 5 December 5, 2009, AZ announced that Koeman no longer was in charge of AZ, after losing 7 of the first 16 games in the Dutch competition.[1
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I think it is harsh to suggest he didn't "get" Aston Villa. I think he did, pretty much from the start. He had a high opinion of the club.
I think the problem at the end was that he had an even higher opinion of himself, and when it came to a little less for Martin O'Neill and a little more for Aston Villa he wasn't prepared to give it.
That's his decision, but i really do think he understood the club to start.
I've always thought, from Day 1, Martin never had such a high opinion of us but that is understandable to an extent having come from Celtic, who whether we like to admit it or not, are a huge club. I don't hold it against him, I think he saw the potential and tried to rebuild us but we were never going to be a club with 40,000 every home game, never questioning a decision, just happy to have him here. I'd imagine the "Martin give us a wave" left him thinking "WTF" but played along with it and for at least three seasons he had almost full backing from the fans. The booing last season, the ironic cheers when he substituted Gabby and the cheers for Luke Young against Blackburn no doubt got to him.
We must be the only club in the world that love our chairman more than our manager (at least until now). Despite what the press may think about us being "Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa", we were always and will continue to be "Aston Villa", where nobody, not even Randy, are bigger than the club. That's taking nothing away from MON, for the most part, he saw the club or more correctly the team, as an extention of himself and gave it his best. Even after a poor display he would talk us up, saying how well we played. He loved his team, if not the club. Self serving? I don't think it really matters. He did his best even if his best wasn't good enough.
Edit: Spot on, Topdeck.
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Koeman bounced back quickly from a disappointing end to his reign at Ajax in February 2005, taking up the vacant position at Portuguese champions Benfica following the departure of legendary Italian Giovanni Trapattoni. In Benfica, against whom he won the 1988 European Cup final as a player with PSV, Koeman only won the Portuguese Supercup: the team finished the Portuguese League in third place (behind rivals Porto and Sporting) and was knocked out of the Portuguese Cup in the quarter-finals (after losing to Vitória de Guimarães).
He was pretty much a disaster at Benfica, only winning the equivalent of the Charity Shield. He's certainly not missed here and despite being an excellent player, he's certainly not a great manager. Not even a good one. No thanks.
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Following on from Montague's post above. Koeman has been unlucky to have to follow in the footsteps of two or three of the greater managers in the game with the clubs he's taken over. Hiddink, Trapattoni are tough men to follow in to any job. I guess a little like MON, right now at Villa. That's what makes this decision and even tougher one. Koeman is pretty much as big a name as has been mentioned for the Villa job, a serious contender, unlike Maradoughnut IMO, and might just be about ready for a crack in the English game. It might take him a season to assess the standard and the club but could be quite good in the longer term. He certainly has a good view of European football and appears really keen to get the job. He has a bit of passion for it, rather than wanting another pay day, a la Sven.
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Thanks for the info, Dave.
I would like to think that the club are not specifically looking at links with managers and having Villa on their CV from the past but rather someone who would seemingly share a long term view of buying in talent but also bringing in our young players. A man they feel will have hunger and ability and a realism that it will take time and patience to bring the first team on against established Chumps league clubs and the freakshow that is Money City. I think I am just stating the obvious actually, I blame the hangover.
Still, its stopped raining, the cricket has got better, we had more at Villa Park in the week than Blues managed for their last two home games combined, Albrighton looks the business, in the right formation I think Ireland will be great for us and I have a Blueberry fruit corner.
So, on that positive note, we will beat Everton tomorrow and appoint someone currently in employment- hopefully with an international side.
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Dave-just a comment. For me, these plain, simple statements are what I take note of more than lots of the guff that's posted on here. Don't be put off continuing in the same vein.
Note: No money was exchanged in the writing of this article :'(
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I thought the most important thing in Dave's post was."Above all the overall thinking, the long-term plans and ambitions of everyone at Villa Park haven't changed."
I've had my doubts about that over this summer. We'll see.
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SimplyZola on 606: "Paul Jewell has been approached for the Aston Villa manager, according to rumours
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Who, realistically, is going to be on the short list next week then? And how many?
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Thanks for the information Dave, I hope that is the case.
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SimplyZola on 606: "Paul Jewell has been approached for the Aston Villa manager, according to rumours
Yeah, according to rumours by SimplyZola!
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Who, realistically, is going to be on the short list next week then? And how many?
The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
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soory about last night lads
this thing is getting to me...i think we have made a big mistake( iknow MON walked out on us, but you have to ask why he did?)
KMCD seems a good bloke, but nowhere near good enough
Bradley, Sven now today i see on here Quieroz(sp) and Koeman
not good enough
no matter who we get will be like after the lord mayors show - and will be seen by an awful lot as a yes man
still stand by 1 thing i said last night
Randy will appoint a new manager on Tuesday at the earliest
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The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
I'd rather have Mickey Dolenz
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The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
I'd rather have Mickey Dolenz
I reckon Randy would quite like to have the Scouse Git.
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The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
I'd rather have Mickey Dolenz
Haha, very good, you little Monkey you!
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reckom Randy would quite like to have the Scouse Git.
Why couldn't I have thought of that line?
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Who, realistically, is going to be on the short list next week then? And how many?
The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
If we're going down that line, I'd prefer we look abroard. What's Josef Fritzl doing now days?
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Who, realistically, is going to be on the short list next week then? And how many?
The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
Pulse stopping more like.
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Who, realistically, is going to be on the short list next week then? And how many?
The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
Why not?
He's suffered some shite times thanks to shite owners, and done a decent job without much of a song and dance.
As I've said before I like the guy, but not sure he's my choice for the job, but like others easily dismissed by many, he's not as bad a choice as KM who i believe you wanted in the job.
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Following on from Montague's post above. Koeman has been unlucky to have to follow in the footsteps of two or three of the greater managers in the game with the clubs he's taken over. Hiddink, Trapattoni are tough men to follow in to any job. I guess a little like MON, right now at Villa. That's what makes this decision and even tougher one. Koeman is pretty much as big a name as has been mentioned for the Villa job, a serious contender, unlike Maradoughnut IMO, and might just be about ready for a crack in the English game. It might take him a season to assess the standard and the club but could be quite good in the longer term. He certainly has a good view of European football and appears really keen to get the job. He has a bit of passion for it, rather than wanting another pay day, a la Sven.
If nothing he will bring experience and a completely different attitude and approach to that spend on nothing, pay high wages turncoat.
As plenty have said whoever is chosen some won't be happy especially those who only want Mon in charge.
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I would still go for Simon Grayson. Young MO'N in my opinion...learned his trade in lower leagues and has added advantage of being at a big club already.
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Who, realistically, is going to be on the short list next week then? And how many?
The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
Why not?
He's suffered some shite times thanks to shite owners, and done a decent job without much of a song and dance.
As I've said before I like the guy, but not sure he's my choice for the job, but like others easily dismissed by many, he's not as bad a choice as KM who i believe you wanted in the job.
Why do you believe that?
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I would still go for Simon Grayson. Young MO'N in my opinion...learned his trade in lower leagues and has added advantage of being at a big club already.
He doesn't have a reputation for running off does he ?
Funny when the situation arose he was the first name I thought of. He does lack PL experience though but is just a Villa man :)
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I would still go for Simon Grayson. Young MO'N in my opinion...learned his trade in lower leagues and has added advantage of being at a big club already.
The problem with promoting managers with no PL experience is that you might get Turner rather than Taylor.
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The 3 best pound for pound managers in the PL came from Aberdeen, Grampus 8 and Preston.
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The 3 best pound for pound managers in the PL came from Aberdeen, Grampus 8 and Preston.
I saw similar elsewhere, and it said something about "small clubs...done nothing" That would be the Aberdeen who'd come from nowhere to become one of the best teams in Europe. We've been saying Villa should gamble on various subjects for a long time. Maybe this is the time for gambling on the next Moyes.
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Why don't we go and get Moyes? If the ambition is still there I'm sure we could tempt him at the end of the season as he's certainly not going to get the Man Utd job without doing something better than he is currently.
Even if it means getting a Sven for the season.
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What about big sam
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What about big sam
*shocked emoticon*
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The 3 best pound for pound managers in the PL came from Aberdeen, Grampus 8 and Preston.
True, I was just pointing out that it's a gamble.
To a certain extent every appointment is a gamble but you reduce the odds if you go for a man with a proven track record.
They all have to start somewhere but people like Dowie, Jewell and Boothroyd have all been touted as the next big thing in recent years.
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I really think that our man isn't out there at the moment, this whole year we should be looking for that person and bring someone like Sven in for one year to steady the ship.
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I really think that our man isn't out there at the moment, this whole year we should be looking for that person and bring someone like Sven in for one year to steady the ship.
Like the captain of the Titanic?
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The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
I'd rather have Mickey Dolenz
I reckon Randy would quite like to have the Scouse Git.
Well I'm certainly not a believer.
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Dave Jones..........................................i'd rather have Grace Jones
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I'm not surprised by your info dave, if it was'nt for the Noooocastle result i probably would have been ok with it.The only thing that worries me, that with the closure of the transfer window, if we do go into freefall then the calibre of the candidates/players at our disposal will reduce.
I think if it was up to me i would approach Hiddink or Jol today with the intention of getting them in , in the next 24 hrs, so that they can get some players in, or just appoint Sven.
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Getting the right manager in, for me, is far more important than the close of the transfer window. I still believe with the right man in charge this squad is top 8. And that's where we need to be by January, in a position to go on and attack the European positions in the 2nd half of the season. Man U have shown over a number of years that they didn't need to be top in January to finish top in May. We don't need to be in a top 5 or 6 position in January either, but we will need some fresh faces in that window.
Get the right man in now. Allow him to settle things down and show some leadership. We have lots of very good players at Villa who will do a solid job until new signings arrive.
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Who, realistically, is going to be on the short list next week then? And how many?
The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
You sure you didn't get him mixed up with the story about two male adults being arrested for posession of indecent images of children?
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Saunders got it without being a Villa man...
This whole "understands the special nature of Aston Villa" argument is nonsense if the examples given include the man who walked out of the club a couple of months before we were due to play a European Cup quarter final and pitched up on the other side of the city a week later.
All managers are self-serving - that's a direct consequence of being in a career where the likely tenure is usually no more than a couple of seasons. He simply doesn't have the time to immerse himself in the history and tradition. In the vast majority of cases, there is no point in the emotional investment.
All we can ask is that whoever is in the manager's seat does their best by the club during his time with us. They then in time become part of the tradition by dint of what they achieve. If they do that, where they go next - be it a local rival, the England job or retirement - is irrelevant.
Exactly, spot on. And quite what is the special nature of Aston Villa when we deride other clubs for thinking too that they are special like Newcastle, Spurs and Liverpool....
The greatest manager in our post war history didn’t get Aston Villa? Ok. Clearly I was talking nonsense.
Only a mentalist would need to ask what was special about Aston Villa.
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Who, realistically, is going to be on the short list next week then? And how many?
The E & S reckon Dave Jones is one of the names being considered. Not exactly one to set the pulses racing.
You sure you didn't get him mixed up with the story about two male adults being arrested for posession of indecent images of children?
I cannot believe anyone is going to buy into Villa appointing the likes of Jones, Curbishley, Jewell or Phil fucking Brown. I would like to think our board are little more clued in than that. I'm thinking of sending in a Steve Staunton or Alan Pardew in the E&S later today. It will be in the papers as 100% fact tomorrow.
Why are we so down on ourselves? We want to a CL team, yet we lose our manager and we start to believe we are Wigan or Reading. We're Aston Villa. We may not be good enough for Mourinho or Hiddink, but we're miles above the likes of that shower of bollocks I listed above. We need to give ourselves a little credit.
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I’d rather save Martin his bandwidth and not talk about dross like Jones, Jewell and other no-hopers.
But then I just did. Whoops *facepalm*
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I'm coming round to Koeman.
Even if he did play Arizmendi at right back.
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Koeman is very hit and miss. Then again, there is a hell of a lot of rubbish in this league, so perhaps he'll get it right?
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I see over on VT the General has confirmed that...
"When MON left, the Club absolutely made up a list of Managers that we would approach..."
Also that Randy has been in the UK all week working on the Manager issue and the General will in the UK on Sunday.
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And now also on this website in his thread.
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Sounds like they want to sound out another clubs manager or have attempted to at least from what the General appears to be saying. My bet is still on Jol but they can't get him.
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Thanks for that Dave.
Such nuggets are the buoys in the seas of madness we seem to be suffering.
Whereas I doubt we are going to sign a manager who is at the top of the game like a Mourinho I for much the same reasons doubt we will be seeing Phil Brown or Paul Jewell at the club. I expect an upper mid ranking appointment.
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Thanks for the info Dave.
My frustration over the recent events was brought to ahead at bombing out of Europe, i can kind of accept losing to the Newcastle ( not the 6 nil bit ) But working so hard all season then at the first time of asking..anyway im boring myself with it now.
Lets just hope we get the right man in for the job soon !
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Saunders got it without being a Villa man...
This whole "understands the special nature of Aston Villa" argument is nonsense if the examples given include the man who walked out of the club a couple of months before we were due to play a European Cup quarter final and pitched up on the other side of the city a week later.
All managers are self-serving - that's a direct consequence of being in a career where the likely tenure is usually no more than a couple of seasons. He simply doesn't have the time to immerse himself in the history and tradition. In the vast majority of cases, there is no point in the emotional investment.
All we can ask is that whoever is in the manager's seat does their best by the club during his time with us. They then in time become part of the tradition by dint of what they achieve. If they do that, where they go next - be it a local rival, the England job or retirement - is irrelevant.
Exactly, spot on. And quite what is the special nature of Aston Villa when we deride other clubs for thinking too that they are special like Newcastle, Spurs and Liverpool....
The greatest manager in our post war history didn’t get Aston Villa? Ok. Clearly I was talking nonsense.
Only a mentalist would need to ask what was special about Aston Villa.
Could you describe what a mentalist is to me, it's not a term I am familiar with? If you are inferring I have a mental condition, then would you care to retract that accusation as it is both offensive and insulting to those who do indeed suffer in such a way. Perhaps you could try to couch your responses in a slightly more diplomatic way in future. Call it a learning point...
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Saunders got it without being a Villa man...
This whole "understands the special nature of Aston Villa" argument is nonsense if the examples given include the man who walked out of the club a couple of months before we were due to play a European Cup quarter final and pitched up on the other side of the city a week later.
All managers are self-serving - that's a direct consequence of being in a career where the likely tenure is usually no more than a couple of seasons. He simply doesn't have the time to immerse himself in the history and tradition. In the vast majority of cases, there is no point in the emotional investment.
All we can ask is that whoever is in the manager's seat does their best by the club during his time with us. They then in time become part of the tradition by dint of what they achieve. If they do that, where they go next - be it a local rival, the England job or retirement - is irrelevant.
Exactly, spot on. And quite what is the special nature of Aston Villa when we deride other clubs for thinking too that they are special like Newcastle, Spurs and Liverpool....
The greatest manager in our post war history didn’t get Aston Villa? Ok. Clearly I was talking nonsense.
Only a mentalist would need to ask what was special about Aston Villa.
Could you describe what a mentalist is to me, it's not a term I am familiar with? If you are inferring I have a mental condition, then would you care to retract that accusation as it is both offensive and insulting to those who do indeed suffer in such a way. Perhaps you could try to couch your responses in a slightly more diplomatic way in future. Call it a learning point...
Sense of humour by pass or just offended on someone else's behalf? Lighten up, crikey!!!
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Saunders got it without being a Villa man...
This whole "understands the special nature of Aston Villa" argument is nonsense if the examples given include the man who walked out of the club a couple of months before we were due to play a European Cup quarter final and pitched up on the other side of the city a week later.
All managers are self-serving - that's a direct consequence of being in a career where the likely tenure is usually no more than a couple of seasons. He simply doesn't have the time to immerse himself in the history and tradition. In the vast majority of cases, there is no point in the emotional investment.
All we can ask is that whoever is in the manager's seat does their best by the club during his time with us. They then in time become part of the tradition by dint of what they achieve. If they do that, where they go next - be it a local rival, the England job or retirement - is irrelevant.
Exactly, spot on. And quite what is the special nature of Aston Villa when we deride other clubs for thinking too that they are special like Newcastle, Spurs and Liverpool....
The greatest manager in our post war history didn’t get Aston Villa? Ok. Clearly I was talking nonsense.
Only a mentalist would need to ask what was special about Aston Villa.
Could you describe what a mentalist is to me, it's not a term I am familiar with? If you are inferring I have a mental condition, then would you care to retract that accusation as it is both offensive and insulting to those who do indeed suffer in such a way. Perhaps you could try to couch your responses in a slightly more diplomatic way in future. Call it a learning point...
In the words of Mark Fletcher- humourless twerp.
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Please be civil.
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Yes, thank you both for that. Very nice of you. I wasn't aware I had ever called you any names, despite disagreeing with your posts on occasions. Can I suggest you keep to the facts rather than being rude to people? Much appreciated
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Thanks Dave, your post is reassuring after what has been a week to make even the most optimistic of fan feel somewhat queasy.
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I’ll remember not to bring popular culture into any posts in the future, just in case you don’t understand.
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Why don't we go and get Moyes? If the ambition is still there I'm sure we could tempt him at the end of the season as he's certainly not going to get the Man Utd job without doing something better than he is currently.
Even if it means getting a Sven for the season.
I believe he distanced himself by suggesting he ahd more chance with Everton's squad
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I'm coming round to Koeman.
Even if he did play Arizmendi at right back.
Koeman? You have got to be joking. I'd honestly rather have Joe Kinnear.
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I'm coming round to Koeman.
Even if he did play Arizmendi at right back.
Koeman? You have got to be joking. I'd honestly rather have Joe Kinnear.
I'd honestly rather have Roy Kinnear.
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I'm coming round to Koeman.
Even if he did play Arizmendi at right back.
Koeman? You have got to be joking. I'd honestly rather have Joe Kinnear.
I'd honestly rather have Roy Kinnear.
Well its got to be someone and he has won more than MON ever will, This is the delema though I don't envy Randy. I think there is going to be some upset Villa fans this week.
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I'm coming round to Koeman.
Even if he did play Arizmendi at right back.
Koeman? You have got to be joking. I'd honestly rather have Joe Kinnear.
I'd honestly rather have Roy Kinnear.
Well its got to be someone and he has won more than MON ever will, This is the delema though I don't envy Randy. I think there is going to be some upset Villa fans this week.
I'd be more than just upset if we ended up with Koeman. I'd be at defcon 1. The man was utterly disastrous at Valencia and AZ and turned both teams from decent clubs into relegation candidates. We can and should do better than him.
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Why don't we go and get Moyes? If the ambition is still there I'm sure we could tempt him at the end of the season as he's certainly not going to get the Man Utd job without doing something better than he is currently.
Even if it means getting a Sven for the season.
You show that to an Everton fan and they'd laugh in your face. From a neutral, or Everton, point of view, what makes Villa bigger than Everton at the moment?
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From a Forest fan on another site:
Im a Forest fan but just thought Id check on how you guys are doing in your search for your “Heavenly Father”and Ive just read the statement your caretaker has just made. Its about a thousand words long and he speaks about nothing exept his own feelings. How will I feel when we win ?(you wont mate !!),can I handle the pressure ? do I really want to be in the spotlight ? Who the fcuk is this guy trying fool. He loves it ! Problem is though……he loves himself….much more than he loves Villa. Ive got a soft spot for the Villa & like to see them do well, but you have got a serious problem with this guy. You were a shambles on Thursday, chickens without heads, plenty of effort but no leaderdhip & no direction….and this clown is talking about how he feels, c”mon lads, smell the coffee or youll be finding out how it feels to get relegated. THE FOREST VILLAN.
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From a Forest fan on another site:
Im a Forest fan but just thought Id check on how you guys are doing in your search for your “Heavenly Father”and Ive just read the statement your caretaker has just made. Its about a thousand words long and he speaks about nothing exept his own feelings. How will I feel when we win ?(you wont mate !!),can I handle the pressure ? do I really want to be in the spotlight ? Who the fcuk is this guy trying fool. He loves it ! Problem is though……he loves himself….much more than he loves Villa. Ive got a soft spot for the Villa & like to see them do well, but you have got a serious problem with this guy. You were a shambles on Thursday, chickens without heads, plenty of effort but no leaderdhip & no direction….and this clown is talking about how he feels, c”mon lads, smell the coffee or youll be finding out how it feels to get relegated. THE FOREST VILLAN.
"leadership & no direction" is exactly how it has been the last 7 days. So very true.
We need our players to take control and stand up and be counted for tomorrow.
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Having read pages 1 & 10, I can believe that Dave's sources would be nothing else than accurate. We don't want a Newcastle-esque panic appointment that would catagorically be to the further detriment of the club. We lost to Wigan at home last year, then in Europe to Vienna under MON & it was all doom & gloom then.
Who'd much rater enjoy endless pointless speculation than at least a dribble of fact?
For my twopenneth, Dave Jones would be a cheap, easy but unambitious appointment. I can see it happening.
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yeah, in all fairness I think the whole ''aston villa crisis'' thing is getting a bit ott now. a lot of clubs have been in a similar positions as us having to get new managers etc... i think we've just got to be patient... there's nothing we can do to speed up the process, it's randy's decision ultimately despite how many of us like to play ''pick the next manager'' game.
if people want to overreact, that's fine; but i can honestly say we're not in deep dog shit as some are pointing out... heck, you should all see the spurs fans ringing up talksport, 5live, you're on sky sports or whatever going insane after losing to wigan... despite just qualifying for champions league proper and booing at full-time, they need a reality check so we shouldn't stoop down to those pathetic levels.
(sorry for no caps)
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yeah, in all fairness I think the whole ''aston villa crisis'' thing is getting a bit ott now. a lot of clubs have been in a similar positions as us having to get new managers etc... i think we've just got to be patient... there's nothing we can do to speed up the process, it's randy's decision ultimately despite how many of us like to play ''pick the next manager'' game.
if people want to overreact, that's fine; but i can honestly say we're not in deep dog shit as some are pointing out... heck, you should all see the spurs fans ringing up talksport, 5live, you're on sky sports or whatever going insane after losing to wigan... despite just qualifying for champions league proper and booing at full-time, they need a reality check so we shouldn't stoop down to those pathetic levels.
(sorry for no caps)
Hang on a second......a few days back you were on the General's thread demanding that a manager be appointed first thing Monday! Now you're suggesting that everyone be calm and that we've time.
Mate, get back on your pills.
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I'm coming round to Koeman.
Even if he did play Arizmendi at right back.
Koeman? You have got to be joking. I'd honestly rather have Joe Kinnear.
I'd honestly rather have Roy Kinnear.
Well its got to be someone and he has won more than MON ever will
No he hasn't.