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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Archie on August 22, 2010, 06:51:27 PM
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. . . I think it is if the players are supple and unwatchable, like our players were today.
I'm speechless after a display like that.
The only thing that I can say is that I hope that the three brave members of the Italian contingent that went to SJP game (2000 Km to see your team lose 6-0 :bonk: ) had at least the possibility to experience the exciting Newcastle nightlife. . . ;)
As far as I am concerned, I was uncertain whether to go to Newcastle or to Wien, and thanks God my istinct made me to choose Wien where I watched a decent Aston Villa squad and had even a beautiful pre and post match with Frank and other fellow Aston Villa longlife fans. . . ;D
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Every single player today was crap. Ive been going 44 years and today was up there with some notable shockers. But the term lack of respect implies that they deliberately went out to be crap. Thats the same sort of nonsense as people who are demanding refunds on the generals thread.
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I've seen us take a few beatings over the years, but never by a team who on paper, we are so superior to. Hope your friends enjoy their night out in Newcastle Archie, you haven't lived until you've seen 18 stone Geordie slappers walking around in mini skirts!
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I'm sick of hearing moaning away supporters, yeah we were shit, we were also un lucky with Ash's goal, we have alot of injuries and the team selection was wrong!
But for fuck sake, there isn't a garentee on every away game ticket you buy!
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I'm sick of hearing moaning away supporters
Then put your fucking fingers in your ears then.
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That's bloody close to Doncaster 3-0 IMO.
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Hope your friends enjoy their night out in Newcastle Archie, you haven't lived until you've seen 18 stone Geordie slappers walking around in mini skirts!
That's 114.3 kilos,Archie. It ain't pretty.
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Its worse.
Worse than all the previous shite of the last ten years from Blackburn, to Arsenal, to Liverpool to Chelsea, and even worse than that 3-0 at Shite Andrews. The fucking worst we've seen in over a decade.
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Players don't leave the dressing room and think fuck it i'll lose 6 today.
Its not acceptable but its not acceptable to any Villa fan. You pay your money you take your chance
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I have just got home after a day riding on the train to and from the game and running the gauntlet of geordie chavs on the train, in the station and getting to the ground.
In all the years I have been supporting Villa I cannot ever remember such a change in one week. Last week they were fresh, vibrant, energetic, motivated and confident. Today they were utterly and totally crap - every man jack of them. To twist the knife in the wound Kevin McDonald who seemingly only had to produce a solid performance to secure the job behaved identically to Martin O'Neill at his worst. He should have hauled Carew off when we were only 2 goals down and the game could still be salvaged. Instead he chose the tried and failed Heskey option and for totally obscure reasons chose to bring on NRC to shore up an already capitulated defence. It was all pure MON.
That was a defeat of seismic proportions which will take us a very long time to live down and to recover from.
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I don't mind fans being refunded after a shocking defeat... on condition they are willing to pay double after a shocking win, like the wins at Old Trafford and Anfield. Villa's not a charity.
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Villa's not a charity.
No, its open drain based on the promise of sharing a fleeting moment of a millionaires reflective glory that will never actually come.
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Bla bla bla we've got thrashed in one game the Universe has ended. We'll beat Everton next week and six points from nine is fine.
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You pay your money you take you chances. If the players aren't trying then replace them. To say it was a lack of respect implies they did it on purpose. This is clearly not the case. As ever we need to keep together, circle the wagons and come out fighting the next time.
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Agreed.
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Bla bla bla we've got thrashed in one game the Universe has ended. We'll beat Everton next week and six points from nine is fine.
For fucks sake, cut the nonchalant attitude. So you're able to shrug it off, well hoo-fucking-ray for you.
We got humiliated by a shower of shite. We were annihilated. Everton will smash the back out of us to claim their first win of the season.
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Why not ask if it is a lack of respect for away supporters to come back to VP with a 0-6 defeat?
We are a club.
We're in it together or we're not. Which is it?
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What clichéd tripe. In it together? Where have you been for the past 18 years or more? The away end at St James’ Park is a fitting analogy for the distance between the modern day footballer and you or me the fan.
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We did not get thrashed. We were belittled and humiliated. I strongly suspect that anybody who can sneer at the pain endured by those of us who travelled a long way at considerable expense as no more than bla bla bla was a) not there and b) has no respect for the Villa fans who were.
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Hope your friends enjoy their night out in Newcastle Archie, you haven't lived until you've seen 18 stone Geordie slappers walking around in mini skirts!
That's 114.3 kilos,Archie. It ain't pretty.
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He, he, Nice touch, mate!
P.S. I would like to clarify that I never thought that the travelling fans should ask the rembourse of the ticket.
My point is very different. It deals with the moral more than with the economic aspect.
I think that the players can not show such a poor display, they can win or lose but should think that fans do great efforts (not only in financial terms) to follow the team away and the players must show a bit of care.
That is what I call: Respect.
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Bla bla bla we've got thrashed in one game the Universe has ended. We'll beat Everton next week and six points from nine is fine.
For fucks sake, cut the nonchalant attitude. So you're able to shrug it off, well hoo-fucking-ray for you.
We got humiliated by a shower of shite. We were annihilated. Everton will smash the back out of us to claim their first win of the season.
I'm not nonchalant. Just aware that Manure lost five-nil there and still won the league. We've played TWO league games. Please don't allow the media to portray us as a "crisis club" as they will try to as they are the O'Neill fan club. If we realise that Carew is never going to score twenty goals in a season and sign a new forwarxd then Pukecastle might actually have done us a favour.
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We did not get thrashed. We were belittled and humiliated. I strongly suspect that anybody who can sneer at the pain endured by those of us who travelled a long way at considerable expense as no more than bla bla bla was a) not there and b) has no respect for the Villa fans who were.
Brain, you capture my thoughts completely. Humiliation does not feel like a strong enough adjective. The players actually gave up today, they just gave up.
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We did not get thrashed. We were belittled and humiliated. I strongly suspect that anybody who can sneer at the pain endured by those of us who travelled a long way at considerable expense as no more than bla bla bla was a) not there and b) has no respect for the Villa fans who were.
I wasn't sneering at the travelling fans I was making a point about a previous post. I've been to watch us at Newcastle and Sunderland and all over the country so please avoid the better fan than you bollocks.
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By the way I agree we were disgracefully bad in the second half.
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Defeat is just about acceptable, if the team has worked hard, but the attitude today was totally unacceptable. They had no urgency, no fight, no desire. For 25 mins we were the better team and even at 3-0 we could have gotten something from the game, but the players gave up. They were an utter disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves for the way they let themselves and, in particular,Kevin Macdonald down. To say they let the fans down and disrespected them is a given.
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Thinking about it I might have been hasty with my previous posts, didn''t mean to take the piss out of anyone, just trying to deal with today's shit result in my own way. I still think we'll be ok though it's only one gash awful performance. Peace and love to all.
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So you assume that my defending myself against your dismissing my observations as bla bla bla is "better fan than you are bollocks". Perhaps you should give some thought to the reality that I probably am a better fan than you are. 67 years unbroken on the Holte. Third generation Villa fan, all my children Villa fans, all my grandchildren Villa fans, over 1000 Villa games attended but most importantly I do no come on here to sneer at other Vllla fans' honestly held views. There are not many better Villa fans than I.
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I am 30. Everything you have said suggests you are an older, not a better, fan than me. Apologies for not supporting Villa 37 years before I was born.
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Let's all sleep on it guys and hopefully the first half of this week might bring us some news on a new manager to help us forget today. I feel utterly drained and am doing everything I can to stay away from any sort of sports coverage for the rest of the day.
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By the way read my previous, concilliatory, post.
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Having played football (not at a paid level) even when you took a belting - you took a pride in your performance. Second half there was no direction and pride. 6-0 is unacceptable for Aston Villa. If we are to accept that level then the Blues will God forbid return us to the dark days.
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Today was an absolute F?>@:£g disgrace. I thought we were going to have a new manager for the game? There was no fight no passion. I feel sorry for the fans who travelled and payed the money today. I felt sick watching it at home. We didn't even have anyone decent on the bench to come on and change the game. I don't care what anyone says about Martin O'neil the fact is he has left us without a squad.
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My mate said he saw online that the Premier League were investigating Barton's celebration... he claimed it was a borderline "Nazi salute"... anyone else hear that? Can't find it anywhere.
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He's probably to thick to realise what he did
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At least he can shave his tash off now!
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Found it... link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/22/joey-barton-newcastle-united-aston-villa). In fairness, prick though he is, the Nazi salute idea is a bit unlikely... nobody could be that retarded, could they?
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It's not the end of the world. The team selction was all wrong and Ireland should never have played, but...
The biggest disappointent has to be that we should have seem something other than a repeat of the first half in the second. If anything it was worse and it showed a real lack of commitment to try and get back into the game. Ashley was trying hard but would have been much more effective without the strops, other than that we just bent over and took it.
I would have been gutted if I'd have been there.
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Back on to the topic of "Respect" there were two clear examples for me today.
At the start of the game Ireland had his name chanted and didn't acknowledge the travelling support at all. That either means he didn't hear us (and this would back up my view the boy's a bit simple) or he has no respect whatsoever for the fans.
Secondly, at the end of the game when the vast majority of Villa fans had, somewhat understandably, decided to start the long journey home early the players didn't acknowledge those who'd stuck it out to the bitter end at all. I for one would've appreciated them coming to our end to acknowledge us but no, they all skulked off straight down the tunnel. I hope Kev McDonald gave them an absolute roasting for that and the overall performance.
Respect? I didn't see too much at all.
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Found it... link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/22/joey-barton-newcastle-united-aston-villa). In fairness, prick though he is, the Nazi salute idea is a bit unlikely... nobody could be that retarded, could they?
I saw it and immediately thought it was a Nazi salute myself.
Smith and Barton, what a combination.
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So you assume that my defending myself against your dismissing my observations as bla bla bla is "better fan than you are bollocks". Perhaps you should give some thought to the reality that I probably am a better fan than you are. 67 years unbroken on the Holte. Third generation Villa fan, all my children Villa fans, all my grandchildren Villa fans, over 1000 Villa games attended but most importantly I do no come on here to sneer at other Vllla fans' honestly held views. There are not many better Villa fans than I.
That's excellent Brian if you post your address on here i'll send you a fucking medal KNOB!!!!!!!
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So you assume that my defending myself against your dismissing my observations as bla bla bla is "better fan than you are bollocks". Perhaps you should give some thought to the reality that I probably am a better fan than you are. 67 years unbroken on the Holte. Third generation Villa fan, all my children Villa fans, all my grandchildren Villa fans, over 1000 Villa games attended but most importantly I do no come on here to sneer at other Vllla fans' honestly held views. There are not many better Villa fans than I.
That's excellent Brian if you post your address on here i'll send you a fucking medal KNOB!!!!!!!
I think it is best if you take the night off.
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So you assume that my defending myself against your dismissing my observations as bla bla bla is "better fan than you are bollocks". Perhaps you should give some thought to the reality that I probably am a better fan than you are. 67 years unbroken on the Holte. Third generation Villa fan, all my children Villa fans, all my grandchildren Villa fans, over 1000 Villa games attended but most importantly I do no come on here to sneer at other Vllla fans' honestly held views. There are not many better Villa fans than I.
That's excellent Brian if you post your address on here i'll send you a fucking medal KNOB!!!!!!!
I believe Brian was responding to my post. I don't remember asking you to get involved.
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So you assume that my defending myself against your dismissing my observations as bla bla bla is "better fan than you are bollocks". Perhaps you should give some thought to the reality that I probably am a better fan than you are. 67 years unbroken on the Holte. Third generation Villa fan, all my children Villa fans, all my grandchildren Villa fans, over 1000 Villa games attended but most importantly I do no come on here to sneer at other Vllla fans' honestly held views. There are not many better Villa fans than I.
That's excellent Brian if you post your address on here i'll send you a fucking medal KNOB!!!!!!!
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There's no need for that. I was at the game today, I don't want my money back and Archie, who is Italian and who we met in Vienna, may not have expressed his English too well, and Brian who is one of our most esteemed posters deserves more respect off people than that.
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Heavy defeats on the road are all part of supporting your club. As long as the players put in maximum effort you just have to take them on the chin. Today although we were abysmal we did put in some effort, it was just a very bad day...a freak result possibly.
What I can't stomach and what couldn't have been noticeable by the travelling support was Downing's attitude coming off the pitch at the final whistle. There he was, smiling and exchanging pleasantries with a Newcastle player. Disgraceful! absolutely disgraceful. If I had of been anywhere near him I'd have kicked him in the bollocks.
At least make out the result is hurting you even if you couldn't give a shit about it.
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Heavy defeats on the road are all part of supporting your club. As long as the players put in maximum effort you just have to take them on the chin. Today although we were abysmal we did put in some effort, it was just a very bad day...a freak result possibly.
What I can't stomach and what couldn't have been noticeable by the travelling support was Downing's attitude coming off the pitch at the final whistle. There he was, smiling and exchanging pleasantries with a Newcastle player. Disgraceful! absolutely disgraceful. If I had of been anywhere near him I'd have kicked him in the bollocks.
At least make out the result is hurting you even if you couldn't give a shit about it.
I actually made that very same comment about Downing at the end of the game. The problem you would have (having seen his performances since joining Villa) with kicking him in aforementiond bollocks is you owuld need to have a fabulous aim. I predict he has bollocks the size of a hamster. The gutless wanker
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Brain, you capture my thoughts completely.
Never a truer word spoken.
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There's no need for that. I was at the game today, I don't want my money back and Archie, who is Italian and who we met in Vienna, may not have expressed his English too well, and Brian who is one of our most esteemed posters deserves more respect off people than that.
[O.T.: Villajk, you legend! After meeting up in Wien, my mate told me that you, Pauline, Frank, etc. gave him a fantastic lesson of what Aston Villa represent, a classy, traditional, club with loyal, passionate (he was impressed to see that you remembered the result and the scorers of a 1971-72 Third Division's game ;)), competent and friendly fans. The players can be crap but the AVFC fans are by far the best in the world. :)]
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What I can't stomach and what couldn't have been noticeable by the travelling support was Downing's attitude coming off the pitch at the final whistle. There he was, smiling and exchanging pleasantries with a Newcastle player. Disgraceful! absolutely disgraceful. If I had of been anywhere near him I'd have kicked him in the bollocks.
You'd have a job, he hasn't got any. Grade A wimp.
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Archie, I feel great sympathy for your members who had such a long journey from Italy for such a gutless performance. Those who went to Hamburg or, especially, Moscow felt badly let down by MON's team selection. Today was a different matter. The line-up was just about the strongest we have available and, hearing it announced while having a drink with some Newcastle fans before the game, we felt very confident and they were quite nervous. I don't think that the wretched display that followed showed a lack of respect for the fans, it was more a lack of self-respect. This was a thoroughly unprofessional performance, lacking commitment, energy, skill, passion and the most basic tactical awareness. It was one of the most inept displays I've ever witnessed from a Villa team and I'm sorry that the Latin Lions had the misfortune to watch it.
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Hi Frank, I agree that the line-up was the strongest possible today, judging ex ante.
Infact, I absolutely don't blame MAC, who not only played the best starting XI but had even rested half team during the week.
My point is that the players, with their absolute lack of consistency, fighting spirit, determination and committment to the shirt lacked respect to the fans. But you are right also when you write that such a sort of wretched performance was first of all a lack of respect for themselves.
As far as the Latin Lions trip is concerned, no problem, we manage to attend about 10-12 away games every season, so we'll have occasions to make up. . . ;)
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Archie, I feel great sympathy for your members who had such a long journey from Italy for such a gutless performance. Those who went to Hamburg or, especially, Moscow felt badly let down by MON's team selection. Today was a different matter. The line-up was just about the strongest we have available and, hearing it announced while having a drink with some Newcastle fans before the game, we felt very confident and they were quite nervous. I don't think that the wretched display that followed showed a lack of respect for the fans, it was more a lack of self-respect. This was a thoroughly unprofessional performance, lacking commitment, energy, skill, passion and the most basic tactical awareness. It was one of the most inept displays I've ever witnessed from a Villa team and I'm sorry that the Latin Lions had the misfortune to watch it.
Hi Frank, I agree that the line-up was the strongest possible today, judging ex ante.
Infact, I absolutely don't blame MAC, who not only played the best starting XI but had even rested half team during the week.
My point is that the players, with their absolute lack of consistency, fighting spirit, determination and committment to the shirt lacked respect to the fans. But you are right also when you write that such a sort of wretched performance was first of all a lack of respect for themselves.
As far as the Latin Lions trip is concerned, no problem, we manage to attend about 10-12 away games every season, so we'll have occasions to make up. . . ;)
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"Lack of self-respect" and "unprofessional" sums it up and is far more worrying. Shocking ineptitude regarding the basics; and Newcastle demonstrated that you can quickly bridge a perceived quality gap in this league with commitment and a little team ethic - when the opposition's is so lacking. I'll take any result, freak or otherwise, if the team has given 100% and tried to focus, but that was clearly absent today.
As for respecting the fans, players applauding or acknowledging those who travelled - couldn't care less - do you really need to feel their love after that? We all know they're in the bar afterwards, showing each other their Rolexes, comparing agents; it's a job; we're only living it 24hrs a day for the rest of our lives...
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The broken spirit and broken camp was there for all to see yesterday.
After MON's departure my guess is that the headstrong characters will have taken over the player power mentality. This would suit some and not others.
The dispirited performance was akin to players being on strike or taking industrial action. They didnt perform or play to their expected heights and instead just showed up for work.
One thing that MON did was to make sure most players gave 100% and sadly that was lacking today.
As much as I admire RL and his team, at the moment they have one hell of a mess to sort out.
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Every single player today was crap. Ive been going 44 years and today was up there with some notable shockers. But the term lack of respect implies that they deliberately went out to be crap. Thats the same sort of nonsense as people who are demanding refunds on the generals thread.
Why is asking for a refund nonsense? These days we are constantly reminded that football is a business. If a business sells a product that is quite clearly below the minimum standard required, they have an obligation to the people who paid for it.
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My mate said he saw online that the Premier League were investigating Barton's celebration... he claimed it was a borderline "Nazi salute"... anyone else hear that? Can't find it anywhere.
He was waving goodbye to his tash. (I think pretty much everyone knows that they'd all said they wouldn't shave their tashes till they won a game) Don't worry - he produces enough genuinely knobbish behaviour to keep us occupied.
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Every single player today was crap. Ive been going 44 years and today was up there with some notable shockers. But the term lack of respect implies that they deliberately went out to be crap. Thats the same sort of nonsense as people who are demanding refunds on the generals thread.
Why is asking for a refund nonsense? These days we are constantly reminded that football is a business. If a business sells a product that is quite clearly below the minimum standard required, they have an obligation to the people who paid for it.
Yep, we are sold a 'product' and if it isn't good enough then we should be refunded. If they want to call it a business then lets have it fucking straight. Ticket prices are a complete piss-take as it is, to be served up that shit is totally unacceptable.
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Why do people get so sensitive about this 'better fan than you' nonsense.
Everyone knows that its the post count thats important on here not games actually attended !