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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: placeforparks on August 18, 2010, 01:51:55 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8924917.stm
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all the signs are that kev mac will possibly get the job :-)
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Notables in the background:
Twat taking a picture at the beginning.
Beye walking past near the end.
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all the signs are that kev mac will possibly get the job :-)
Why are you happy about that? If he does get the job, then for me it'll just show that Villa are doing things on the cheap again.
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all the signs are that kev mac will possibly get the job :-)
Why are you happy about that? If he does get the job, then for me it'll just show that Villa are doing things on the cheap again.
While you're at it, you may as well add Martin Jol to that list. He'd be cheaper than O'Neill too.
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Why are you happy about that? If he does get the job, then for me it'll just show that Villa are doing things on the cheap again.
I think the truth in that would be defined by what he's given to spend and how successful he is.
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While you're at it, you may as well add Martin Jol to that list. He'd be cheaper than O'Neill too.
Most managers would be, wouldn't they?
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I'd take K-Mac above pretty much every manager on that bookies list of favourites. Not because I think he'd do a 'Barton' but because the list is so shit. There arent exactly a queue of top class managers waiting outside VP so let K-Mac have a go and if he fails there may be other candidates around next summer.
I thought he came across very well in that interview.
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all the signs are that kev mac will possibly get the job :-)
Why are you happy about that? If he does get the job, then for me it'll just show that Villa are doing things on the cheap again.
what a load of rubbish. knows the club better than most what harm is it going to do if he does get the job
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all the signs are that kev mac will possibly get the job :-)
Why are you happy about that? If he does get the job, then for me it'll just show that Villa are doing things on the cheap again.
While you're at it, you may as well add Martin Jol to that list. He'd be cheaper than O'Neill too.
Probably would be. The point I'm making is that it's not the most imaginative appointment is it? Based as it would be on KM having coached the youth set up for 11 years and one good performance in his first game.
I'm sorry, I just don't think KM is the man for the job. I think it'd be a thoroughly uninspiring appointment.
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all the signs are that kev mac will possibly get the job :-)
Why are you happy about that? If he does get the job, then for me it'll just show that Villa are doing things on the cheap again.
what a load of rubbish. knows the club better than most what harm is it going to do if he does get the job
yep , he has been there years. Knows the club, knows the players, knows the strengths and weaknesses, knows ALL the youngesters and what they can and cant do and the players respect him !! And with respect comes determination to prove yourself and with that comes committed players and with that comes success !!!
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Yes, it looks like he's enjoying his moment. It could be that his next 3 or 4 games are a probation period for an extended caretaker role or full role something he could well be aware of.
That wouldn't be a terrible idea
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That point of view is miles away from it pointing to villa "doing it on the cheap", Stu. Imaginative or not, I think Lerner will be picking who he feels is best for the position, not who is the cheapest.
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all the signs are that kev mac will possibly get the job :-)
Why are you happy about that? If he does get the job, then for me it'll just show that Villa are doing things on the cheap again.
what a load of rubbish. knows the club better than most what harm is it going to do if he does get the job
What harm? He's inexperienced at this level and as such will be still learning the ropes while at the same time trying to get us to progress. It could set us back 3-4 years.
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but there is no one else that suits apart from Jol !!
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That point of view is miles away from it pointing to villa "doing it on the cheap", Stu. Imaginative or not, I think Lerner will be picking who he feels is best for the position, not who is the cheapest.
Ok, ok, fair cop. Unimaginative AND cheap :P KM getting the job would just remind me of Gregory getting appointed, or Sir Graham's second time in charge. Wrong men at the wrong time. And they came cheap.
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What harm? He's inexperienced at this level and as such will be still learning the ropes while at the same time trying to get us to progress. It could set us back 3-4 years.
EVERY candidate has risks factors associated with them. There's no guarantee that any manager is successful in a new role.
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all the signs are that kev mac will possibly get the job :-)
Why are you happy about that? If he does get the job, then for me it'll just show that Villa are doing things on the cheap again.
While you're at it, you may as well add Martin Jol to that list. He'd be cheaper than O'Neill too.
Probably would be. The point I'm making is that it's not the most imaginative appointment is it? Based as it would be on KM having coached the youth set up for 11 years and one good performance in his first game.
I'm sorry, I just don't think KM is the man for the job. I think it'd be a thoroughly uninspiring appointment.
I remember people had similar thoughts when we appointed Ron Saunders.
I still think he'd be happier and of better service to us coaching with the first team squad. The man has a talent, it seems mad to try and force it to be something it's not, at least not yet. Leave him in charge until we find the right man, whoever and whenever that may be.
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I would go with Macdonald. He seems to have the players' confidence, and unlike an incoming hot-shot (as yet unidentified) will not be looking to bin half the squad and buy up multi-million pound replacements.
The best thing that the next Villa manager can do is to get the most out of the players we already have. KM is decently placed to do that.
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Totally fascinating. He says he's enjoying the coaching side, which seemed a very guarded remark about the general managerial side, which he may not fancy. I also liked what he said about Ireland, because it's so good that a 'caretaker' has the cajones to be really attacking. So many just go for the bare minimum in terms of results, but not him.
I personally wouldn't take K Mac outside of his comfort zone of coaching, I think it would be unfair on him to try and make him to the full managerial spectrum if he's honestly not the best qualified for everything. Certainly make him a huge part of the coaching process, but not manager.
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all the signs are that kev mac will possibly get the job :-)
Why are you happy about that? If he does get the job, then for me it'll just show that Villa are doing things on the cheap again.
While you're at it, you may as well add Martin Jol to that list. He'd be cheaper than O'Neill too.
Probably would be. The point I'm making is that it's not the most imaginative appointment is it? Based as it would be on KM having coached the youth set up for 11 years and one good performance in his first game.
I'm sorry, I just don't think KM is the man for the job. I think it'd be a thoroughly uninspiring appointment.
I remember people had similar thoughts when we appointed Ron Saunders.
I still think he'd be happier and of better service to us coaching with the first team squad. The man has a talent, it seems mad to try and force it to be something it's not, at least not yet. Leave him in charge until we find the right man, whoever and whenever that may be.
That could be a problem though. Say he makes a good go of it by getting the results and the team playing well. Do we then turn around and say we have someone better suited with new ideas so please now go back to your old role as coach having been a great success in your caretaker role?
He will have a taste for it by then and would rightly feel let down by the club, We then run the risk of losing him.
With only Ireland in who he already knows he has a squad of players he will know more about than any other potential manager. On Saturday's performance alone he deserves a few more weeks to see if can reproduce that level with some consistency.
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I'm not sure I know what an imaginitive managerial appointment would consist of. Three legs, four arms and two heads is very imaginitive. Physical theatre impresario Stephen Berkoff taking slow motion, deconstructed training with an invisible concept ball is imaginitive. Or does it mean imaginitive like Juande Ramos, Felipe Scolari, Jacques Santini etc...
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I'm not sure I know what an imaginitive managerial appointment would consist of. Three legs, four arms and two heads is very imaginitive. Physical theatre impresario Stephen Berkoff taking slow motion, deconstructed training with an invisible concept ball is imaginitive. Or does it mean imaginitive like Juande Ramos, Felipe Scolari, Jacques Santini etc...
Wenger was pretty imaginative, he was working in Japan for a club called Grampus, one of the most ridiculous words in football.
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Kevin Mc has made some big decissions already, playing Milner was one when there could have been a lot of fans on his back starting with Albrighton and Clark were others and bringing on the kids at the end. The style of football was great. He also got the players playing for each other and put a smile on theirs and our faces.
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Physical theatre impresario Stephen Berkoff taking slow motion, deconstructed training with an invisible concept ball is imaginitive.
Now you're talking. He would be well-placed to raid the Rambert Dance Company for fresh talent
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That point of view is miles away from it pointing to villa "doing it on the cheap", Stu. Imaginative or not, I think Lerner will be picking who he feels is best for the position, not who is the cheapest.
Ok, ok, fair cop. Unimaginative AND cheap :P KM getting the job would just remind me of Gregory getting appointed, or Sir Graham's second time in charge. Wrong men at the wrong time. And they came cheap.
I agree that GT's appointment wasn't that imaginative, but those were difficult times for the club.
I don't agree about JG, personally, I thought we were ok under him, we played decent football and got as far as anyone could have taken us based on the financial constraints imposed at the time. I still remain convinced that had Nilis not been injured and had the Holte not got on the back of Bosko from the off we'd have made bigger steps. Lets not forget that from the same number of games as MON, JG has a higher win %.
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Physical theatre impresario Stephen Berkoff taking slow motion, deconstructed training with an invisible concept ball is imaginitive.
Now you're talking. He would be well-placed to raid the Rambert Dance Company for fresh talent
Some young foreign talent from the Jacques Lecoq mime school in Paris would certainly silence the doubters!
I think the masses at Villa Park would love Berkoffs style of angry football...
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I for one would not be disppointed if kmac got the job especially if they continue to play like they did on saturday.
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I'm not sure I know what an imaginitive managerial appointment would consist of. Three legs, four arms and two heads is very imaginitive. Physical theatre impresario Stephen Berkoff taking slow motion, deconstructed training with an invisible concept ball is imaginitive. Or does it mean imaginitive like Juande Ramos, Felipe Scolari, Jacques Santini etc...
Wenger was pretty imaginative,
I know Monty, I was being a little facetious. Although Wenger was a bit of a risk at the time. I just don't want us to be 'imaginitive' fo the sake of it. I'd rather we let KMac continue in his not so pressured caretaker role, until we discover he's the best man for the job or we find the right man elsewhere.
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What a load of claptrap is being spoken about managerial pedigree. The two most successful managers in the league over the last ten years or so have been Wenger and Beetroot Face. One ex-Grampus in Japan and the other from the mickey mouse league north of Hadrian's Wall.
It is too early to judge MacDonald - but based on the success achieved by the academy team over the last few years and the flowing display against West Ham he has made a good impression. We should be choosing the right person for the job based on coaching skills, interpersonal skills, vision for the club etc. Not simply a big name based on clubs they have managed. Sven, Keegan and a host of others all have big clubs on their CVs but would you really want someone like that ?
Back to the video - very interesting. Seems self effacing whilst projecting quiet confidence. I like the way he handles himself.
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What a load of claptrap is being spoken about managerial pedigree. The two most successful managers in the league over the last ten years or so have been Wenger and Beetroot Face. One ex-Grampus in Japan and the other from the mickey mouse league north of Hadrian's Wall.
It is too early to judge MacDonald - but based on the success achieved by the academy team over the last few years and the flowing display against West Ham he has made a good impression. We should be choosing the right person for the job based on coaching skills, interpersonal skills, vision for the club etc. Not simply a big name based on clubs they have managed. Sven, Keegan and a host of others all have big clubs on their CVs but would you really want someone like that ?
Back to the video - very interesting. Seems self effacing whilst projecting quiet confidence. I like the way he handles himself.
Agree with everything...well said!
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What a load of claptrap is being spoken about managerial pedigree. The two most successful managers in the league over the last ten years or so have been Wenger and Beetroot Face. One ex-Grampus in Japan and the other from the mickey mouse league north of Hadrian's Wall.
It is too early to judge MacDonald - but based on the success achieved by the academy team over the last few years and the flowing display against West Ham he has made a good impression. We should be choosing the right person for the job based on coaching skills, interpersonal skills, vision for the club etc. Not simply a big name based on clubs they have managed. Sven, Keegan and a host of others all have big clubs on their CVs but would you really want someone like that ?
Back to the video - very interesting. Seems self effacing whilst projecting quiet confidence. I like the way he handles himself.
Agree with everything...well said!
i also agree..... not sure about the squad he has picked but i cant help thinking i trust him. !!!
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The two most successful managers in the league over the last ten years or so have been Wenger and Beetroot Face. One ex-Grampus in Japan and the other from the mickey mouse league north of Hadrian's Wall.
Although I agree with you in principle, the difference between the Scottish and English leagues wasn't nearly as vast when Fergie came down and he had also managed Scotland at a World Cup. Wenger managed in France and had a strong reputation, even if nobody in England had heard of him.
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keV mac is a great coach - while the team is doing well he will get the plaudits but once we have a bad spell the tide would turn and people will soon be questioning his appointment.
I'm a bit disappointed by the weak squad he's taken to Vienna- it's a cup we should be trying to do well in , and looks a weak squad.
I'd still go for experience and let keV do what he does well by bringing players through , but if keV gets the job he gets my full backing.
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The two most successful managers in the league over the last ten years or so have been Wenger and Beetroot Face. One ex-Grampus in Japan and the other from the mickey mouse league north of Hadrian's Wall.
Although I agree with you in principle, the difference between the Scottish and English leagues wasn't nearly as vast when Fergie came down and he had also managed Scotland at a World Cup. Wenger managed in France and had a strong reputation, even if nobody in England had heard of him.
And Fergie had won a European competition
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I would go with Macdonald. He seems to have the players' confidence, and unlike an incoming hot-shot (as yet unidentified) will not be looking to bin half the squad and buy up multi-million pound replacements.
The best thing that the next Villa manager can do is to get the most out of the players we already have. KM is decently placed to do that.
Exactly.
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I would go with Macdonald. He seems to have the players' confidence, and unlike an incoming hot-shot (as yet unidentified) will not be looking to bin half the squad and buy up multi-million pound replacements.
The best thing that the next Villa manager can do is to get the most out of the players we already have. KM is decently placed to do that.
Exactly.
Spot on. I had been trying to think of a well educated reason to support KMac (as I believe the kids should call him) and this is it.
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all the signs are that kev mac will possibly get the job :-)
Why are you happy about that? If he does get the job, then for me it'll just show that Villa are doing things on the cheap again.
So we get a ready made replacement with the players trust and respect AND we save a few quid. It's a win win.
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Two words we need at this moment in time
Stability - players / Randy / all of us need this for a period to let the dust settle on MON's leaving and the predictable outpouring from MON in some tabloid very soon as to his version of events
Continuity - again a new coach (even someone like Mourhinio) would start to dismantle the squad and it could take another 2 years to get his own in place - I cannot critisize MON for the work he done to put the squad together - my moan was once we had it he did not know how to use it properly. I think we all called for rotation and to see some of our promising youngsters - In Macca he knows everyones strengths and weaknesses and on saturday used them to brilliant effect.
The players like him obviously
He already has the balls to make big decisions (Milner / subs etc)
I love his ethos on playing the game - fast, slick passing and movement - it seems evident the players liked it also
For all the names banded about i see no risk at all in giving him a year - we are too good and have too many very good players to worry about relegation so what can we lose?
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I would go with Macdonald. He seems to have the players' confidence, and unlike an incoming hot-shot (as yet unidentified) will not be looking to bin half the squad and buy up multi-million pound replacements.
The best thing that the next Villa manager can do is to get the most out of the players we already have. KM is decently placed to do that.
Exactly.
Spot on. I had been trying to think of a well educated reason to support KMac (as I believe the kids should call him) and this is it.
I'm coming around to this also if we can't find a genuine top class manager candidate. We clearly need a more of a group effort at the club and maybe with KM we'd get that. He wouldn't be obsessed with being at the centre of all decisions, and he could properly utilize the board, his scouts and other areas of the club that specialize in certain skills. He's a top coach, an has a good eye for talent. It would be a benefit to him to identify a player with his scouts and let Faulkner get him. You often got the feeling with MON that it was him from start to finish. It doesn't have to be that way.
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We are not going to get the creme of creme for manager job as they will be working. We need to appoint them in late may and june, not a week before transfer deadline. I can't see anything wrong with Kevin MacDonald. Give him a go, he know the club, the system and all the players and work with them for a decade. He can just fine tune the system rather overhaul it like some managers.
I think our youth and reserve will provide us more players than big name clubs. Do you want a flash harry to come in and change the system and buy 20 players and then disappears.
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<3 K-Mac
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Apart from which, I am fed up with Oliver Holt/Paddy Power types telling us who we should want as our next manager. Diego Maradona, FFS.
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With that squad for the Vienna game he has kept his word and he is going to give the other players a chance. He could have easily opted to take the strongest side but he hasn't, he has made a decision based on what he believes and I think he should be commended for that belief!
This could go tits up but at least then you can say to the fringe players you had a chance but you didn't take it. Personally I think the players want to play for him and they will do okay tomorrow. Must admit I am getting to like him.
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I like this fella everything about his mannerism is making me warm to him. He is not a big time charlie and he doesn't look like he's up his own arse like Mr O Neil. Give him a chance i think he's gonna surprise us.
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To be honest, I would love him to be given the chance.
As he stated in the interview, he is enjoying being around the players on the training ground. Somewhat different to Mon's methods allegedly, he apparently left most training matters to Steve Walford & John Robertson?
If Randy offers it K-Mac..take it!
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He reminded me of Moyes in that interview... ;-)
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I'm wary of Kevin's lack of experience and instintively feel we need a manager of proven ability and winning credentials in order to build on MON's work. Having said that, I've been impressed with the way Kevin has handled the press, their questioning and their probing. He plays it all with a nice straight bat.
In my ideal vision for the future he would be made assistant manager to our new (top drawer) boss.
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kevn mcdonald wont be like tony barton,tony followed a legend and once deadly came back he had no chance,barton was a genuine guy,done a fair job and if randy learner had been chairmen we would have tated real succes again.tony barton would have rebuilt the team.kevin mcdonald has loads of experience of players and tactically astuite.