Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: DeeBoy1 on August 10, 2010, 08:57:33 PM
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Can't argue with anything here, he has his knockers but seems pretty genuine here...
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,16468_6304317,00.html
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He certainly was.
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i hated this bloke but now......he's alright aint he
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I heard him earlier alright, bang on the money I thought.
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Fair play to him, because a lot of media sorts have been jumping on the O'Neill bandwagon when he has blatantly left us at the potentially most damaging moment, which Andy Gray says. However we will move on and improve.
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Wise words Mr Gray I have to say.
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He is such a dick though
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Can't stand the bloke but credit where its due. He called it spot on and it's a nice antidote to the Martin O'Neill fan club in the national media.
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I'll say the same I say to everything Gray says about managers. It's easy to slag someone off doing something you haven't got the bollocks to do. He sits on his couch making judgements on someone doing something at the time, when he has the benefit of hindsight.
Go and manage a club, Gray, then you can talk. "As a manager you have to.." what the fuck does he know about it?
He's saying stuff similar to people on here. Except that he knows the same as us, nothing [edit: regarding the reasons behind O'Neill leaving]. But he gets large amounts of money for his worthless opinion.
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Just watched the interview with Ellis there. Not looking in the best of health, is he?
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Andy Gray !?
Didnt he quit the Villa at one time aswell, to become a football pundit ?
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He's saying stuff similar to people on here. Except that he knows the same as us, nothing [edit: regarding the reasons behind O'Neill leaving].
Bet?
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I'll say the same I say to everything Gray says about managers. It's easy to slag someone off doing something you haven't got the bollocks to do. He sits on his couch making judgements on someone doing something at the time, when he has the benefit of hindsight.
Go and manage a club, Gray, then you can talk. "As a manager you have to.." what the fuck does he know about it?
He's saying stuff similar to people on here. Except that he knows the same as us, nothing [edit: regarding the reasons behind O'Neill leaving]. But he gets large amounts of money for his worthless opinion.
On this principle we should all shut up as none of us have presumably been managers of a professional football club.
I think all people are saying is that in this particular case Grays comments are in tune with what a lot of ordinary fans now feel about O`Neill.
As regards him getting large amounts of money, thats paid by Sky which is an organisation that hasnt had money from me for quite a while now. If it was the BBC paying him thats a different matter.
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He's saying stuff similar to people on here. Except that he knows the same as us, nothing [edit: regarding the reasons behind O'Neill leaving].
Bet?
Agreed given M'ON's behaviour in the past, I suspect it had something to do with not getting his way and the General has hinted at this.
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Just watched the interview with Ellis there. Not looking in the best of health, is he?
Hes Probably as pissed off with O`Neill as most of us are.
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He's not my favourite bloke because he never seems to support Villa when he's involved in their live games but I think he speaks for a lot of us there with what we're thinking.
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He's saying stuff similar to people on here. Except that he knows the same as us, nothing [edit: regarding the reasons behind O'Neill leaving].
Bet?
Any chance you'll tell us what you know for your 20000th post?
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Spot on really. After my initial shock and disappointment I am starting to think O'Neill is the bad guy in all of this.
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Just watched the interview with Ellis there. Not looking in the best of health, is he?
I thought he looked ok actually, for a man of his years.
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He's saying stuff similar to people on here. Except that he knows the same as us, nothing [edit: regarding the reasons behind O'Neill leaving].
Bet?
Any chance you'll tell us what you know for your 20000th post?
No.
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Just watched the interview with Ellis there. Not looking in the best of health, is he?
I thought he looked ok actually, for a man of his years.
He will be 87 in January. Hope if I reach his age Im still getting to as many games as he does.
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The only person in the media talking sense, to here some of the so called experts you'd think o'neil was nailed to a cross. I have always been an o'neil fan, but to walk out 5 days before the start of the season just shows what a selfish man he is.
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The only person in the media talking sense, to here some of the so called experts you'd think o'neil was nailed to a cross. I have always been an o'neil fan, but to walk out 5 days before the start of the season just shows what a selfish man he is.
I keep saying it - O'Neill has cultivated the national media for years. They love him because he's always got an angle and being at Only Aston Villa has bugged them. They think of us now as like a spoilt kid who's sulking at Christmas because he only got an ordinary xbox instead of a gold-plated one.
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Spot on, for once, Andy Gray. My childhood hero, who I gradually began to hate, but says it as he sees it. MON has really left us in the shit 5 days before the season starts, with no obvious replacement. At least if he had gone in May we would have had time to plan for the new season and maybe had a chance at getting the likes of Mark Hughes or Roy Hodgson in with time on their side. As it is we are left in the lurch like a jilted bride stuck at the altar, with a lot of the family saying he was never right for you anyway.
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Just watched the interview with Ellis there. Not looking in the best of health, is he?
I thought he looked ok actually, for a man of his years.
It hasn't stopped him boasting though - 'Im glad I appointed him', 'I'm glad that I chose Randy Lerner'. Still a prat, and as predictable as one of our home games last season.
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Very good general analysis. He is still a prick though .......
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I think when the dust settles on all of this O'Neill will be held in slightly less esteem by the media than he has been heretofore.
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As an aside, I never quite understood the idea that Gray was anti-Villa given his criticism of us when posters on here say far worse and we never question their loyalty to the club.
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Even worse than finding Andy Gray the sole voice of reason in the media was hearing Tony Cascarino making an even better point this morning on SSN.
Christ. I can't handle this. Chris and Villadawg have become miserablists, I sound like a happy clapper, and Tony Cascarino sounds like the voice of reason.
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As an aside, I never quite understood the idea that Gray was anti-Villa given his criticism of us when posters on here say far worse and we never question their loyalty to the club.
None of us have walked out three times and stabbed managers in the back.
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It's time for my annual Anti-Gray rant
You fackin' no-show, champagne Andy!!!!!
your turn now, Mac. I feel better
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As an aside, I never quite understood the idea that Gray was anti-Villa given his criticism of us when posters on here say far worse and we never question their loyalty to the club.
None of us have walked out three times and stabbed managers in the back.
Quite true and possibly why his comments in relation to us as a Sky pundit are viewed so negatively, when they are tame compared to some on here.
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As an aside, I never quite understood the idea that Gray was anti-Villa given his criticism of us when posters on here say far worse and we never question their loyalty to the club.
We're doing in on a relatively obscure internet forum in front of a handful of fellow Villa fans, he's doing it on national TV.
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Andy Gray talking about the Villa ? He maybe talking sense in that piece, but just around the corner is another snidey dig at us and he almost made me cry the day he signed for the Wolves.
Tool
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As an aside, I never quite understood the idea that Gray was anti-Villa given his criticism of us when posters on here say far worse and we never question their loyalty to the club.
We're doing in on a relatively obscure internet forum in front of a handful of fellow Villa fans, he's doing it on national TV.
So some of our more extreme contributors would dilute their views if put infront of a TV camera? What's the difference with him seeing faults as he wants the best for us and us doing exactly the same thing?
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What's the difference with him seeing faults as he wants the best for us and us doing exactly the same thing?
the way I see it is that we're all Villa mad on here and as such we are entitled to slate our own club/family ( tough love and all that). But as soon as someone from the outside does the same, we on here close ranks.
I'll listen to anyone on here tell me that Villa are shite. Any other supporter said the same, I'd punch their lights out ( assuming I thought that the odds of me not getting battered were in my favour).
Irrational? of course
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What's the difference with him seeing faults as he wants the best for us and us doing exactly the same thing?
the way I see it is that we're all Villa mad on here and as such we are entitled to slate our own club/family ( tough love and all that). But as soon as someone from the outside does the same, we on here close ranks.
I'll listen to anyone on here tell me that Villa are shite. Any other supporter said the same, I'd punch their lights out ( assuming I thought that the odds of me not getting battered were in my favour).
Irrational? of course
this is me all-over down our local,
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As an aside, I never quite understood the idea that Gray was anti-Villa given his criticism of us when posters on here say far worse and we never question their loyalty to the club.
We're doing in on a relatively obscure internet forum in front of a handful of fellow Villa fans, he's doing it on national TV.
So some of our more extreme contributors would dilute their views if put infront of a TV camera? What's the difference with him seeing faults as he wants the best for us and us doing exactly the same thing?
If any of our more extreme posters ever got the chance of speaking to a camera the footage would only come out on one of those late night "TV's Most Incredibly Stupid Twats" programmes, or if live, they would cut to the studio with a "We seem to have some technical difficulties".
Andy Gray is a very well known nation TV pundit, amazingly enough, people listen to him and believe what he says. If, say, Greggers got his 30 seconds of fame he would be dismised as just another nutter.
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the way I see it is that we're all Villa mad on here and as such we are entitled to slate our own club/family ( tough love and all that). But as soon as someone from the outside does the same, we on here close ranks.
Guess that's my point - maybe he is just a passionate Villa fan that also happens to be a TV pundit?
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Guess that's my point - maybe he is just a passionate Villa fan that also happens to be a TV pundit?
I honestly don't think he's a passionate Villa fan though. He's a passionate Andy Gray fan, but I don't think he's a Villa fan.
And I remember what he said to my sister once about Villa fans, in the Holy City Zoo in about 1980.
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Even worse than finding Andy Gray the sole voice of reason in the media was hearing Tony Cascarino making an even better point this morning on SSN.
Christ. I can't handle this. Chris and Villadawg have become miserablists, I sound like a happy clapper, and Tony Cascarino sounds like the voice of reason.
All it needs in Satan Hodge to come out and back the Villa !
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as the whole Andy Gray thing is/was a bit before my time would anyone care to explain why he gets so much grief and how he left our club? I generally get the impression some of the posters on here are just bitter, miserable old gits and hold pointless grudges. certainly in the case of players more in my generation such as yorkey, bosnich and staunton i find this to be true. I think also that A.Gary is paid to be an impartial football pundit and analyst and should not be leaning in one direction in his position. I wish pinnochio thompson and that Fag lawrenson would be more impartial, they make me wanna vomit with their anfield wankfest
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Even worse than finding Andy Gray the sole voice of reason in the media was hearing Tony Cascarino making an even better point this morning on SSN.
Christ. I can't handle this. Chris and Villadawg have become miserablists, I sound like a happy clapper, and Tony Cascarino sounds like the voice of reason.
I didn't see him on TV but read his column in yesterday's paper. I was astonished by how pro-Villa he was.
'Unless there were family reasons we don't know about behind his actions, leaving Aston Villa five days before the new season is a selfish move made by a man who doesn't realise how lucky he was to be the manager of such a great club.'
'I know from my own experience as a former Villa player that it's a privilege to be at the club and not one that should be given up lightly.'