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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: mshurst on July 15, 2010, 01:13:40 PM
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...from international football.
Sorry for getting your hopes up with the misleading title.
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Might as well disband the national team.
It's the equivalent of Brazil losing Pele in his prime.
A sad day for football and the black Frank Spencer.
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...from international football.
Sorry to get your hopes up.
I know, what a bastard.
I clicked on the BBC website, and the stapline came out 'vidiprinter' style, so I saw "Breaking News : Aston Villa striker Emile Heskey.." and I'm thinking, fucking hell , we've flogged him! Then I see "..has retired.." so then it's o.k., that will do, and then "..from international football".
Harumph.
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Aston Villa striker Emile Heskey has announced his retirement from international football.
The powerful forward, who won 62 caps but scored just seven goals during his England career, has decided to call time on his career with the Three Lions following their miserable World Cup campaign.
Heskey started the first match against the USA in South Africa and made a dream start, setting up Steven Gerrard's early opener.
The 31-year-old was again selected by Fabio Capello for the dismal goalless draw with Algeria, before being replaced by Jermain Defoe for the victory over Slovenia and 4-1 thrashing by Germany, coming on as a substitute in both games.
Full story. (http://www.skysports.com/football/world-cup-2010/story/0,27032,12016_6261627,00.html)
And yes, LeeB, I was doing the same. Was gutted to see "...from international football" at the end.
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I have a feeling some side-splitting posts are on the way.
Let's hope a few more of the useless clowns go the same way.
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I have a feeling some side-splitting posts are on the way.
Let's hope a few more of the useless clowns go the same way.
Amen to that.
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No side splitting post, just a comment to say that he's shit and we should get rid.
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To be honest most of the country thought he'd retired from International football years ago, looks like it's just going to be Villa get the benefit of his spectacular brand of fuckwittery.
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end of an era. Who will die out first? Heskey or the type of old fashioned manager who rates him?
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end of an era. Who will die out first? Heskey or the type of old fashioned manager who rates him?
Heskey will never die. Never.
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Absolutely. Frank, John, Jamie (again), Matty, Shaun, Ledley... you know what to do....
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I have a feeling some side-splitting posts are on the way.
Let's hope a few more of the useless clowns go the same way.
Agreed on both counts.
@Merv: Carragher has already retired again.
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Has he? Must have missed that news. Shame. We'll miss his plodding, steady presence at CB. Just what we need alongside the plodding, steady, 'JT'.
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Can he retire from the Villa now?
To be fair how he plays he looks like hes a retired footballer going through the motions......................
........ im guessing this move means that him and Martin can have holidays together on international weeks!
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It's a shame as he still has plenty to offer his country. Only this summer he spectacularly took out the drugs cheat in training. With him gone who's going to go after the granny-shagger, the alduterers, the "I'm retired-oh no I'm not" contigent, the thug that should be in jail and the back-stabbing fucker of his mate's girlfriend?
A sad, sad day for English football.
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Great to know we will be the beneficiaries of his extra time at BMH and VP....
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bah, i got all excited when i read the thread title...
evil, evil, man...
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bah, i got all excited when i read the thread title...
evil, evil, man...
Me too!
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Don't remember Emile ever giving less than his best for his country; pity the same can't be said for the majority of his Engand team mates.
Thanks Emile, and good luck to you.
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Don't remember Emile ever giving less than his best for his country; pity the same can't be said for the majority of his Engand team mates.
Thanks Emile, and good luck to you.
dont wish him luck, if he's lucky he'll play for us and we will stagnate more!
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Does that mean he's concentrating on his club career?? I can see season tickets selling at record levels now.
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I hope we can put emule pesky out to pastures anew so we get rid of the carthorse.
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I have a feeling some side-splitting posts are on the way.
Let's hope a few more of the useless clowns go the same way.
I see what you mean now. I feel a bit dirty for being involved in it.
I might send Emile a card.
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Heskey retires.
A nation shrugs.
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I thought he had retired 2 years ago.
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Don't remember Emile ever giving less than his best for his country; pity the same can't be said for the majority of his Engand team mates.
Thanks Emile, and good luck to you.
I'm with you "Lucky Eddie"
Thanks Ivanhoe for all your effort........
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Why does he have to bother coming out with this? He should have just kept schtum and slid out the back door when the dust settled. Now he's just brought unneeded attention to be followed by heaps of ridicule.
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Heskey never puts in less than 100% effort. It's a shame his actual ability falls well below that percentage.
He could have chosen a quieter day for it but let's hope some of his peers in the England squad follow his example and realise their international careers are over.
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bah, i got all excited when i read the thread title...
evil, evil, man...
Me too!
:)
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"I regretfully announce my retirement from mountain climbing. And skipping," said professor Hawking.
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"I regretfully announce my retirement from mountain climbing. And skipping," said professor Hawking.
I spat drink on the monitor!! Lol
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Don't remember Emile ever giving less than his best for his country; pity the same can't be said for the majority of his Engand team mates.
Thanks Emile, and good luck to you.
I'm with you "Lucky Eddie"
Thanks Ivanhoe for all your effort........
It seems a particularly British characteristic to value effort over skill and actually being able to score the odd goal.
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I think it's just the ability to differentiate between character and ability. He was fine in one, but lacked in the other.
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Don't remember Emile ever giving less than his best for his country; pity the same can't be said for the majority of his Engand team mates.
Thanks Emile, and good luck to you.
I'm with you "Lucky Eddie"
Thanks Ivanhoe for all your effort........
It seems a particularly British characteristic to value effort over skill and actually being able to score the odd goal.
That's thanks to six hundred years of Protestant work ethic garnished with a dollop of Victorian puritanism!
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I think it's just the ability to differentiate between character and ability. He was fine in one, but lacked in the other.
There are plenty of nice blokes in the game, it doesn't win you anything though.
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Never said it did. But people can thank Ivanhoe for his effort without commenting on how shit a footballer he was. It is possible.
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Reading some of the comments on this thread if I was a vindictive person I'd hope he stays.
Unfortunately then I'd have to put up with him as well.
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He must be the first player ever, to my knowledge, that has been called a 'defensive striker'. What a load of bollocks! Talk about a contradiction in terms. Whatever next, 'Liberal Conservatives'?!?!?!
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Reading some of the comments on this thread if I was a vindictive person I'd hope he stays.
Unfortunately then I'd have to put up with him as well.
I feel exactly the same. I hope he moves next door to Risso and keeps accidently kicking his ball into his garden.
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Never said it did. But people can thank Ivanhoe for his effort without commenting on how shit a footballer he was. It is possible.
Quite. :-)
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Never said it did. But people can thank Ivanhoe for his effort without commenting on how shit a footballer he was. It is possible.
Quite. :-)
But its totally illogical to thank someone for holding you back? Its a bit like thanking Doug for the effort he put in?
as bill hicks would of said "STOP IT, more........."
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But its totally illogical to thank someone for holding you back? Its a bit like thanking Doug for the effort he put in?
as bill hicks would of said "STOP IT, more........."
Again that's to do with ability, not whether he tried hard or not. Was he supposed to turn down a chance to play for his country when asked?
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Don't remember Emile ever giving less than his best for his country; pity the same can't be said for the majority of his Engand team mates.
Thanks Emile, and good luck to you.
I'm with you "Lucky Eddie"
Thanks Ivanhoe for all your effort........
It seems a particularly British characteristic to value effort over skill and actually being able to score the odd goal.
Or a characteristic found in Villa and England fans to appreciate a guy who gives his all above more talented players who do not.
I haven't commented on his skills or the skills he lacks - just his effort to make the best of the opportunities that have come his way. I'd have been equally if not more appreciative if Baros, Stan 'The Man' or Dalian Atkinson had shown a similar level of dedication.
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Never said it did. But people can thank Ivanhoe for his effort without commenting on how shit a footballer he was. It is possible.
Quite. :-)
But its totally illogical to thank someone for holding you back? Its a bit like thanking Doug for the effort he put in?
as bill hicks would of said "STOP IT, more........."
are you talking about Ivanhoe for Villa or England ? Holding back Villa ? probably.
he certainly did not hold back England.
UTV
The Doc
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Don't remember Emile ever giving less than his best for his country; pity the same can't be said for the majority of his Engand team mates.
Thanks Emile, and good luck to you.
I'm with you "Lucky Eddie"
Thanks Ivanhoe for all your effort........
It seems a particularly British characteristic to value effort over skill and actually being able to score the odd goal.
Or a characteristic found in Villa and England fans to appreciate a guy who gives his all above more talented players who do not.
I haven't commented on his skills or the skills he lacks - just his effort to make the best of the opportunities that have come his way. I'd have been equally if not more appreciative if Baros, Stan 'The Man' or Dalian Atkinson had shown a similar level of dedication.
Yup, I'm with Dr Butler and Eddie on this one. Shame he didn't retire before the WC as would have been nice to see the press scapegoat someone other than him for England's failure to score.
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My guess is that the same lads ripping the piss out of Emile Heskey today on here are the very same that ripped the piss out of Peter Crouch during his fledgling time at Villa Park. You can't reason with them because the rest of us know fuck all!
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So someone who runs onto the pitch and runs around all game, huffing and puffing, we are to commend for his 'effort'?
Perhaps its just me but I want a bit more than that from a professional footballer!
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Shame he didn't retire before the WC as would have been nice to see the press scapegoat someone other than him for England's failure to score.
Yep. Easy target for them.
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So someone who runs onto the pitch and runs around all game, huffing and puffing, we are to commend for his 'effort'?
Above a more talented player who does not - A RESOUNDING YES from me! x
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My guess is that the same lads ripping the piss out of Emile Heskey today on here are the very same that ripped the piss out of Peter Crouch during his fledgling time at Villa Park. You can't reason with them because the rest of us know fuck all!
Is that what you call reasoning, perhaps you should put it in capitals that way we could hear your swearing better!
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would have been nice to see the press scapegoat someone other than him for England's failure to score.
The English press haven't got the bollocks to launch into a more deserving case such as Terry, Rooney, Lampard or Gerrard!
Face it - OUR 'TOP' PLAYERS FAILED TO PERFORM IN SOUTH AFRICA.
I don't know a single club supporter of any side who spends his hard earned cash following England who places Heskey in the firing line of reasons we were found to be woefully lacking this summer.
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My guess is that the same lads ripping the piss out of Emile Heskey today on here are the very same that ripped the piss out of Peter Crouch during his fledgling time at Villa Park. You can't reason with them because the rest of us know fuck all!
Crouch was a young player who had the misfortune to be at Villa at a time when the club was struggling, and probably wasn't given a fair deal by the fans, especially after he was considered to have replaced fans' favourite Angel. Heskey had done sod all years before he signed, and has been poor ever since. Most of us could see that his signing wasn't going to work out, but kept getting told that our opinion wasn't worth listening to as managers like Capello and O'Neill rated him.
To use your example, give me a player like Dalian Atkinson over an honest carthorse like Heskey anyday. We might win something then.
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My guess is that the same lads ripping the piss out of Emile Heskey today on here are the very same that ripped the piss out of Peter Crouch during his fledgling time at Villa Park. You can't reason with them because the rest of us know fuck all!
Is that what you call reasoning, perhaps you should put it in capitals that way we could hear your swearing better!
I said I was guessing not reasoning!
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To use your example, give me a player like Dalian Atkinson over an honest carthorse like Heskey anyday. We might win something then.
To be honest, I think Villa fans have always had a reputation for preferring an honest grafter to an erratic artist. Maybe it's a West Midland mentality, but it's one I share
Birch must be the ultimate example of that.
Those who really think Heskey is that bad should remember some of the real "couldn't give a shit" merchants we've had playing down the Villa, taking the piss out of us.
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So someone who runs onto the pitch and runs around all game, huffing and puffing, we are to commend for his 'effort'?
Perhaps its just me but I want a bit more than that from a professional footballer!
I agree.
Goals.
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So someone who runs onto the pitch and runs around all game, huffing and puffing, we are to commend for his 'effort'?
Perhaps its just me but I want a bit more than that from a professional footballer!
I agree.
Goals.
In that case, what is the point of the question asked in your name on here?
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Those who really think Heskey is that bad should remember some of the real "couldn't give a shit" merchants we've had playing down the Villa, taking the piss out of us.
What about Heskey's statement earlier this year when he wanted to leave as he thought his England place was in doubt due to not starting many games? Nothing then about doing his best for Villa and getting back in the side on merit.
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Because he's a lovely, selfless fellow who knew he wasn't as good as Gabby or Carew and didn't fit our style of play and hence wished to join a lesser club where he could play?
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would have been nice to see the press scapegoat someone other than him for England's failure to score.
The English press haven't got the bollocks to launch into a more deserving case such as Terry, Rooney, Lampard or Gerrard!
Face it - OUR 'TOP' PLAYERS FAILED TO PERFORM IN SOUTH AFRICA.
I don't know a single club supporter of any side who spends his hard earned cash following England who places Heskey in the firing line of reasons we were found to be woefully lacking this summer.
I haven't noticed the press scapegoating Heskey at all.
I agree, they were all shite, and the media seem to have been pretty forthright in saying as much, as far as I've seen anyway
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Although, having said that, The Fiver have done some quality piss taking
THE MARK OF A GREAT STRIKER IS SCORING ONCE EVERY OTHER GAME; MR EM DIDN'T EVEN MANAGE A SHOT ON TARGET EVERY OTHER GAME
So farewell then, Emile Heskey, England international. We have seen the last of your lumbering runs, felt for the last time that bizarre combination of exhilaration and resignation which comes when you thunder clear on goal. We will wonder no more what the manager's thinking when you start loitering with intent near the fourth official in the 68th minute, and never again hear the words "yes but his link play is world class" in heated post-match discussions down the pub that always draw in one bloke you've never met before who was walking past on his way to the bog and couldn't help overhearing.
Consider yourself free, Emile. Free from the burden of our expectation. Free from long summers spent toiling through (the early stages of) major tournaments when every other footballer of your ability is quite rightly and deservedly enjoying a nice holiday. Free to resume a far more relaxing life on Aston Villa's bench, blissfully protected from rain, snow and our attention.
We will recall with fondness the great 5-1 victory over Germany in 2001, in which you combined so well with Michael Owen and scored your third goal for your country, in only your 17th game. Who would have thought on that balmy night in Munich that 45 subsequent appearances over 10 years would bring just four more, against Denmark, South Africa, Slovakia and Kazakhstan?
Who could have imagined back then, as you terrorised opponents with your bulk, your youthful vigour and your habit of falling over with almost virtuosic ease, that all but two of your seven international goals would come in three- or four-goal victories, that you would muster only two decisive strikes in your entire international England career and that those would come in friendlies against South Africa and Malta?
But it wasn't about the goals with you, Emile. It never was. It was about all the work you put in off the ball. The work television cameras, obsessed as they are with following the ball, completely missed and which - as a result - all but a handful of us have not only already forgotten but never actually knew about in the first place. The kind of shift that made Tony Cottee, your partner in those glorious early days at Leicester, call you "the dream guy to play with". And in many ways you were, Emile. The kind of guy who always managed to make the players around you look good, both intentionally and otherwise.
"I have enjoyed every moment of my England career," Heskey said as he announced his international retirement today. And haven't we all? Don't answer that question.
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Never said it did. But people can thank Ivanhoe for his effort without commenting on how shit a footballer he was. It is possible.
Quite. :-)
But its totally illogical to thank someone for holding you back? Its a bit like thanking Doug for the effort he put in?
as bill hicks would of said "STOP IT, more........."
are you talking about Ivanhoe for Villa or England ? Holding back Villa ? probably.
he certainly did not hold back England.
UTV
The Doc
Sorry doc, but a striker who does not score, injures our best defender forcing a cripple or shit scouser to play, forces gerrard from the role he is good at, keeps creative players from the team and generally is league one standard, holds back a team.
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Those who really think Heskey is that bad should remember some of the real "couldn't give a shit" merchants we've had playing down the Villa, taking the piss out of us.
What about Heskey's statement earlier this year when he wanted to leave as he thought his England place was in doubt due to not starting many games? Nothing then about doing his best for Villa and getting back in the side on merit.
Not sure how what you've just said relates to the quote from me that you've included.
Are you saying Heskey couldn't give a shit? Most reasonable Villa fans would probably disagree, whatever their opinon on his talent.
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Those who really think Heskey is that bad should remember some of the real "couldn't give a shit" merchants we've had playing down the Villa, taking the piss out of us.
What about Heskey's statement earlier this year when he wanted to leave as he thought his England place was in doubt due to not starting many games? Nothing then about doing his best for Villa and getting back in the side on merit.
Not sure how what you've just said relates to the quote from me that you've included.
Are you saying Heskey couldn't give a shit? Most reasonable Villa fans would probably disagree, whatever their opinon on his talent.
Well, it certainly seemed that he gave more of a shit for England than he did Villa.
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Isn't Emile rumoured to be on 60k a week?
Whilst I don't think his lack of effort is the main problem (that'll be his shitness), I find it hard to praise anyone for said effort when they're picking up that kind of money.
Certainly when you think of people like Paul Birch. I wonder how much he picked up
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Those who really think Heskey is that bad should remember some of the real "couldn't give a shit" merchants we've had playing down the Villa, taking the piss out of us.
What about Heskey's statement earlier this year when he wanted to leave as he thought his England place was in doubt due to not starting many games? Nothing then about doing his best for Villa and getting back in the side on merit.
Not sure how what you've just said relates to the quote from me that you've included.
Are you saying Heskey couldn't give a shit? Most reasonable Villa fans would probably disagree, whatever their opinon on his talent.
Well, it certainly seemed that he gave more of a shit for England than he did Villa.
By wanting to play for Villa and England more?
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Well, it certainly seemed that he gave more of a shit for England than he did Villa.
well, if you judge him by his (agent's?) words, maybe. I'll judge his effort on the pitch based on his effort on the pitch, not what a statement "seemed" to imply.
Like I say, he's not a brilliant player at all - and I won't argue with anyone who says he's crap. But to criticise his effort is, well, a bit lazy if you ask me
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Well, it certainly seemed that he gave more of a shit for England than he did Villa.
well, if you judge him by his (agent's?) words, maybe. I'll judge his effort on the pitch based on his effort on the pitch, not what a statement "seemed" to imply.
Like I say, he's not a brilliant player at all - and I won't argue with anyone who says he is. But to criticise his effort is, well, a bit lazy if you ask me
It wasn't his agent at all, it was him being asked a direct question in an interview, that O'Neill later tried to claim "was taken out of context". (It wasn't).
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Those who really think Heskey is that bad should remember some of the real "couldn't give a shit" merchants we've had playing down the Villa, taking the piss out of us.
What about Heskey's statement earlier this year when he wanted to leave as he thought his England place was in doubt due to not starting many games? Nothing then about doing his best for Villa and getting back in the side on merit.
Not sure how what you've just said relates to the quote from me that you've included.
Are you saying Heskey couldn't give a shit? Most reasonable Villa fans would probably disagree, whatever their opinon on his talent.
Well, it certainly seemed that he gave more of a shit for England than he did Villa.
By wanting to play for Villa and England more?
Well, that's one way of looking at it. Another is that he seemed to think that he had a given given right to be in the England team, and that rather than trying to improve on his piss poor showings for Villa, he'd ask for a transfer instead.
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He had a better world cup than Rooney. Now who'd have thought that was going to happen.
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I love to trot this one out but Emile has scored more goals at World Cups than Rooney as of yet despite being a defensive striker.
Now as much as I defend him on here I'd like him to leave with my best wishes.
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Sorry doc, but a striker who does not score, injures our best defender forcing a cripple or shit scouser to play, forces gerrard from the role he is good at, keeps creative players from the team and generally is league one standard, holds back a team.
I think you may have to chalk that one down to Cappello, Unless Emile is picking the side now.
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Sorry doc, but a striker who does not score, injures our best defender forcing a cripple or shit scouser to play, forces gerrard from the role he is good at, keeps creative players from the team and generally is league one standard, holds back a team.
I think you may have to chalk that one down to Cappello, Unless Emile is picking the side now.
I'm not sure that there has ever been a position in the England team that Gerrard has been good at.
And that is Gerrard's fault, not Heskey's.
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Sorry doc, but a striker who does not score, injures our best defender forcing a cripple or shit scouser to play, forces gerrard from the role he is good at, keeps creative players from the team and generally is league one standard, holds back a team.
I think you may have to chalk that one down to Cappello, Unless Emile is picking the side now.
I'm not sure that there has ever been a position in the England team that Gerrard has been good at.
And that is Gerrard's fault, not Heskey's.
My only theory is husky has pornography of every manager he has and forces them to play 442 to include him.
It's the only logical explanation of his inclusion!
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Heskey was quoted as saying,
"Id like to focus all my energy on falling over for Aston Villa"
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A great loss to England, Capello, and world football in general.And at only 32, he had so much more to give. Surely, though, the FA will try to talk him round when the next finals loom? International Goalkeepers will sleep easier in their beds tonight.
I for one am delighted that he can now concentrate 100% in banging those goals in for Villa, and terrorising opposition defences without having to suffer the debilitating effect of his gruelling International sorties.
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One of the worst Villa players of all time.
His selection for England at the 2002 World Cup baffled me, let alone the 2010 shambles.
Hopeless. Go now.
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Your all fools, he's now got time to write his autobiography, He will have at least 76mins most sats while on the bench
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This is surely wrong way round. Emile should retire from Club football to concentrate on his International career.
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bizarre to retire now.... especially when he retired from goal scoring so many years ago.
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I've never known a Villa player held with such contempt by Villa fans, especially one that has given nothing less than 100%. It's horrible and reading the same old jokes gets a bit boring.
He's not good enough for us, we know this. He's certainly not the worst player to play for us. Saying that he is, is absolutely ridiculous. Have you only been watching us for 2 years?
I might got and read some Martyn Smith posts in the jokes thread.
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Absolutely. 100% agree.
It has got so tedious I want him to leave just so I don't have to put up with reading some of this same old shit on here.
People referring to him as a 'sack of shit' and the like. He's not particularly good at football but to call him that seems to be more aimed at his character which is a bit odd considering the people in question have never met him to know if he's a sack of shit or not. Shit at football yes. That kind of thing is uncalled for.
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Have Brian Deane and David Nugent retired from International football yet?
Let's just remember he was not the worst ever striker to play for England, he has never been great, but the piss taking is a bit out of context.
I feel sorry for the guy as he has always given 100%, just never been good enough.
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Bless him, he tries hard.
I don't feel sorry for him at all. He has earned fabulous wages for years for being mostly rubbish.
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I've never known a Villa player held with such contempt by Villa fans, especially one that has given nothing less than 100%. It's horrible and reading the same old jokes gets a bit boring.
What on earth do you expect from an Emile Heskey thread? He's been an absolutely appalling signing, and if reading it about it upsets your sensibilities, just avoid the thread, it really is that simple.
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I've never known a Villa player held with such contempt by Villa fans, especially one that has given nothing less than 100%. It's horrible and reading the same old jokes gets a bit boring.
What on earth do you expect from an Emile Heskey thread? He's been an absolutely appalling signing, and if reading it about it upsets your sensibilities, just avoid the thread, it really is that simple.
Thanks for the advice, continue with the good work.
I'll tell you what I don't expect, hatred. It's pathetic.
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Bless him, he tries hard.
I don't feel sorry for him at all. He has earned fabulous wages for years for being mostly rubbish.
Well at least this is slightly less full of rubbish than your last post.
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I've never known a Villa player held with such contempt by Villa fans, especially one that has given nothing less than 100%. It's horrible and reading the same old jokes gets a bit boring.
What on earth do you expect from an Emile Heskey thread? He's been an absolutely appalling signing, and if reading it about it upsets your sensibilities, just avoid the thread, it really is that simple.
Thanks for the advice, continue with the good work.
I'll tell you what I don't expect, hatred. It's pathetic.
Diddums.
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I've never known a Villa player held with such contempt by Villa fans, especially one that has given nothing less than 100%. It's horrible and reading the same old jokes gets a bit boring.
What on earth do you expect from an Emile Heskey thread? He's been an absolutely appalling signing, and if reading it about it upsets your sensibilities, just avoid the thread, it really is that simple.
Thanks for the advice, continue with the good work.
I'll tell you what I don't expect, hatred. It's pathetic.
Diddums.
Good one. One day I'll come to realise how you were ever offered position of moderator on this site. Surely being an antagonist wasn't in the job description?
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Where's the hatred of which you speak anyway? A lot of people think he's a shit footballer, so what? I can't see anybody tearing into him as a bloke. I don't suppose he loses any sleep over the fact that people on the internet think he's shit while he earns his £3m a year, so I'm not sure why you're being such a big kid about it.
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Absolutely. 100% agree.
It has got so tedious I want him to leave just so I don't have to put up with reading some of this same old shit on here.
People referring to him as a 'sack of shit' and the like. He's not particularly good at football but to call him that seems to be more aimed at his character which is a bit odd considering the people in question have never met him to know if he's a sack of shit or not. Shit at football yes. That kind of thing is uncalled for.
I want him to leave because I'm sick of hearing the same tired old shite directed at him when he's playing/about to come on.
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Where's the hatred of which you speak anyway? A lot of people think he's a shit footballer, so what? I can't see anybody tearing into him as a bloke. I don't suppose he loses any sleep over the fact that people on the internet think he's shit while he earns his £3m a year, so I'm not sure why you're being such a big kid about it.
That Risso talks shite, but I'm sure he doesn't mind me saying it as he rakes in shitloads living in a tax haven.
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René Higuita scored more International goals than Heskey and he was a goalkeeper ;-D
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Where's the hatred of which you speak anyway? A lot of people think he's a shit footballer, so what? I can't see anybody tearing into him as a bloke. I don't suppose he loses any sleep over the fact that people on the internet think he's shit while he earns his £3m a year, so I'm not sure why you're being such a big kid about it.
That Risso talks shite, but I'm sure he doesn't mind me saying it as he rakes in shitloads living in a tax haven.
Aww, you didn't do your hilarious wickerman insult.
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Surely when people refer to him as a "sack of shit", other posters must realise they're talking about his footballing abilities?
Or is it just a chance to clamber onto a high horse?
I see the beginnings of some "he was driven out of Villa under appalling abuse" nonsense when, actually, the reason for him leaving (whenever he does) will be the fact he's delivered next to nothing on the pitch.
Mind you, he could sit on the bench and rake in the 60k a week until he's 35 if he so wanted. What a genius piece of contract work that was.
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Surely when people refer to him as a "sack of shit", other posters must realise they're talking about his footballing abilities?
Or is it just a chance to clamber onto a high horse?
By the same token, when people say he should be applauded for his efforts for England, compared to the rest of the squad who didn't seem to care, they must realise we're talking about his character and not his footballing abilities?
Or is it just a chance to get in a few thinly veiled digs at Villa manager?
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I've never known a Villa player held with such contempt by Villa fans, especially one that has given nothing less than 100%. It's horrible and reading the same old jokes gets a bit boring.
What on earth do you expect from an Emile Heskey thread? He's been an absolutely appalling signing, and if reading it about it upsets your sensibilities, just avoid the thread, it really is that simple.
Thanks for the advice, continue with the good work.
I'll tell you what I don't expect, hatred. It's pathetic.
I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments but if it wasn't Heskey they were abusing it would be another of our players.
They don't have a single sensible comment to make about why Capello chose to use him in the world cup ahead of his other options and why he was one of the few who came out of it with any credit. They don't need to give a sensible answer when they can post "he's shit" and have the same small group of prolific naysayers respond with "yeah, he's shit".
Heskey is a team player. He's completely selfless and everything he does is intended to create opportunities for his teammates. Managers and other players appreciate that, people who judge him on goals scored dismiss it as horseshit.
If it wasn't Heskey it would probably be Cuellar (there will always be at least one scapegoat). You can ask them to discuss why Cuellar finished last season as the 3rd highest ranked defender on the official PL stats and perhaps isn't as bad as they claim. The answer will be that he is shit and we definitely, definitely need a new left back.
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If it wasn't Heskey it would probably be Cuellar (there will always be at least one scapegoat). You can ask them to discuss why Cuellar finished last season as the 3rd highest ranked defender on the official PL stats and perhaps isn't as bad as they claim. The answer will be that he is shit and we definitely, definitely need a new left back.
I love how you've created your own brand new argument about Cuellar out of nothing, and then decided what other people will argue. I can't even see why Cuellar being shit (which nobody has argued) would mean that we'd need to replace Warnock. Oh well, carry on.
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People were calling Cuellar shit all season.
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People were calling Cuellar shit all season.
I think most people were saying that he shouldn't be at right back instead of Young. Most people were quite happy with his performances when he was in the middle.
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i'l tell you who will be next years scapegoat,
Downing, now he is shit, 12 million pounds worth of it
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People were calling Cuellar shit all season.
I think most people were saying that he shouldn't be at right back instead of Young. Most people were quite happy with his performances when he was in the middle.
I think you'll find Cuellar gets loads of stick in the north when he goes forward (He's Shit, Sub Him off, etc). And whenever they give him stick i mention as loud as possible "its not his fault, Its Martins, HES NOT A RIGHT BACK"
Back on topic though, Heskey is a waste of a player on the pitch. and we will be a better team when he leaves. Even if he's replaced with a corner flag.
But thanks for the effort emile, god knows what motivates a man to jog around for 90 minutes a week! £60k?
Maybe if we upped it to £90k, he'd break out into a sprint and get in the box?
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Heskey is a waste of a player on the pitch. and we will be a better team when he leaves. Even if he's replaced with a corner flag.
I don't think Peter Crouch will be available for transfer this summer.
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Surely when people refer to him as a "sack of shit", other posters must realise they're talking about his footballing abilities?
Or is it just a chance to clamber onto a high horse?
I see the beginnings of some "he was driven out of Villa under appalling abuse" nonsense when, actually, the reason for him leaving (whenever he does) will be the fact he's delivered next to nothing on the pitch.
Mind you, he could sit on the bench and rake in the 60k a week until he's 35 if he so wanted. What a genius piece of contract work that was.
Whenever a player's talent is discussed, be it on this site, on 5 live, talk sport, or wherever, someone will always complain about the enormous wedge of cash these players earn. This is totally and utterly irrelevent, it is not Emile Heskey's fault that he earns what he does, and do you honestly expect him to hive a few quid back because he has missed a couple of 'sitters' in the past. The fact is, he's a Villa player and doesn't deserve the abuse he recieves on this site. As someone else mentioned earlier Heskey is a player who actually contributes to the team.
If you want him to leave Villa, then fair enough, but to keep referring to the wage he recieves is pointless. Footallers earn lots of cash, get over it.
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Surely when people refer to him as a "sack of shit", other posters must realise they're talking about his footballing abilities?
Or is it just a chance to clamber onto a high horse?
By the same token, when people say he should be applauded for his efforts for England, compared to the rest of the squad who didn't seem to care, they must realise we're talking about his character and not his footballing abilities?
I'd have thought so, but I don't really see the connection between that and suggesting he's getting a tough deal at VP.
Or is it just a chance to get in a few thinly veiled digs at Villa manager?
Err, no. There's nothing veiled about my views on Heskey and MON. He's not good enough, was never going to be good enough, and has done absolutely nothing to prove otherwise whilst here.
He's also on a large contract which will see him through until he's 35.
That - in my opinion - is bad. Yours will differ, I imagine, but I don't see anything below the belt about mine, disagree though you may,
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Surely when people refer to him as a "sack of shit", other posters must realise they're talking about his footballing abilities?
Or is it just a chance to clamber onto a high horse?
I see the beginnings of some "he was driven out of Villa under appalling abuse" nonsense when, actually, the reason for him leaving (whenever he does) will be the fact he's delivered next to nothing on the pitch.
Mind you, he could sit on the bench and rake in the 60k a week until he's 35 if he so wanted. What a genius piece of contract work that was.
Whenever a player's talent is discussed, be it on this site, on 5 live, talk sport, or wherever, someone will always complain about the enormous wedge of cash these players earn. This is totally and utterly irrelevent, it is not Emile Heskey's fault that he earns what he does, and do you honestly expect him to hive a few quid back because he has missed a couple of 'sitters' in the past. The fact is, he's a Villa player and doesn't deserve the abuse he recieves on this site. As someone else mentioned earlier Heskey is a player who actually contributes to the team.
If you want him to leave Villa, then fair enough, but to keep referring to the wage he recieves is pointless. Footallers earn lots of cash, get over it.
I'm not using it as a stick to beat Heskey. Where have I suggested it was his fault?
I'm using it to point out what a dreadful signing he was and that, far from leaving as many seem to want, he could quite easily sit out his contract until he's 35 and rake in the money.
Only an idiot would think that was his fault. I know who I blame for it, and it isn't Heskey.
We don't pluck wages from a money tree round the back of the North Stand, you know, it all comes from a finite pot. So, I hope you manage to "get over it" if we find ourselves struggling to fund new players whilst the likes of Heskey (not to mention NRC, Beye, Davies, Shorey, Sidwell) are syphoning up huge quantities of cash on lucrative contracts whilst contributing next to nothing.
And, just for clarity, not their fault they're on big contracts.
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Heskey is a waste of a player on the pitch. and we will be a better team when he leaves. Even if he's replaced with a corner flag.
I don't think Peter Crouch will be available for transfer this summer.
Made me laff!
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I have no problem with people expressing their views on him as a Villa player, and despite what you think mine won't be all that disimilar from yours, but I do think it's a cheap dig to do so in response to people saying he tried hard for England.
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If it wasn't Heskey it would probably be Cuellar (there will always be at least one scapegoat). You can ask them to discuss why Cuellar finished last season as the 3rd highest ranked defender on the official PL stats and perhaps isn't as bad as they claim. The answer will be that he is shit and we definitely, definitely need a new left back.
I love how you've created your own brand new argument about Cuellar out of nothing, and then decided what other people will argue. I can't even see why Cuellar being shit (which nobody has argued) would mean that we'd need to replace Warnock. Oh well, carry on.
Sorry, I meant right-back.
I don't think it was too difficult to understand that I was making the point that some people will always strive to have a scapegoat. I wasn't simply creating a brand new argument.
Still, your response is what I would expect.
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I have no problem with people expressing their views on him as a Villa player, and despite what you think mine won't be all that disimilar from yours, but I do think it's a cheap dig to do so in response to people saying he tried hard for England.
I've absolutely no idea why you've even mentioned that, John, I certainly didn't raise it. In fact, the only point at which I've mentioned England in this thread was the other day to say that they were all shit.
I was replying to the posts suggesting he gets a disgracefully hard time.
In as much as I care what he does for England, he was one of our "best" players against the USA.
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If it wasn't Heskey it would probably be Cuellar (there will always be at least one scapegoat). You can ask them to discuss why Cuellar finished last season as the 3rd highest ranked defender on the official PL stats and perhaps isn't as bad as they claim. The answer will be that he is shit and we definitely, definitely need a new left back.
I love how you've created your own brand new argument about Cuellar out of nothing, and then decided what other people will argue. I can't even see why Cuellar being shit (which nobody has argued) would mean that we'd need to replace Warnock. Oh well, carry on.
Sorry, I meant right-back.
I don't think it was too difficult to understand that I was making the point that some people will always strive to have a scapegoat. I wasn't simply creating a brand new argument.
Still, your response is what I would expect.
What about the possibility that people genuinely do think he's not very good?
And if Heskey is a scapegoat, whose deficiencies is he being made to carry the can for?
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If it wasn't Heskey it would probably be Cuellar (there will always be at least one scapegoat). You can ask them to discuss why Cuellar finished last season as the 3rd highest ranked defender on the official PL stats and perhaps isn't as bad as they claim. The answer will be that he is shit and we definitely, definitely need a new left back.
I love how you've created your own brand new argument about Cuellar out of nothing, and then decided what other people will argue. I can't even see why Cuellar being shit (which nobody has argued) would mean that we'd need to replace Warnock. Oh well, carry on.
Sorry, I meant right-back.
I don't think it was too difficult to understand that I was making the point that some people will always strive to have a scapegoat. I wasn't simply creating a brand new argument.
Still, your response is what I would expect.
Have you ever actually looked up the meaning of the word scapegoat?
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I have no problem with people expressing their views on him as a Villa player, and despite what you think mine won't be all that disimilar from yours, but I do think it's a cheap dig to do so in response to people saying he tried hard for England.
I've absolutely no idea why you've even mentioned that, John, I certainly didn't raise it. In fact, the only point at which I've mentioned England in this thread was the other day to say that they were all shit.
I was replying to the posts suggesting he gets a disgracefully hard time.
In as much as I care what he does for England, he was one of our "best" players against the USA.
When did I say that? If you go back to my post that started this, I was simply trying to offer the other side of the argument when you suggested people were getting on their high horses over the difference between his ability and his effort:-
Surely when people refer to him as a "sack of shit", other posters must realise they're talking about his footballing abilities?
Or is it just a chance to clamber onto a high horse?
By the same token, when people say he should be applauded for his efforts for England, compared to the rest of the squad who didn't seem to care, they must realise we're talking about his character and not his footballing abilities?
Or is it just a chance to get in a few thinly veiled digs at Villa manager?
My last sentence probably came across as having a pop, which is fairness it was, but not directed at you personally.
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I have no problem with people expressing their views on him as a Villa player, and despite what you think mine won't be all that disimilar from yours, but I do think it's a cheap dig to do so in response to people saying he tried hard for England.
I've absolutely no idea why you've even mentioned that, John, I certainly didn't raise it. In fact, the only point at which I've mentioned England in this thread was the other day to say that they were all shit.
I was replying to the posts suggesting he gets a disgracefully hard time.
In as much as I care what he does for England, he was one of our "best" players against the USA.
When did I say that? If you go back to my post that started this, I was simply trying to offer the other side of the argument when you suggested people were getting on their high horses over the difference between his ability and his effort:-
Not entirely sure I follow that - who made the cheap dig?
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We seem to have 8 pages of them so far - pick one!
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No, in response to people saying he tried hard for England, I mean.
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Heskey is not a scapegoat, he is factually rubbish.
In 45 appearances for Villa he has scored 7 goals and had 5 direct goal assists. Thats it. Gabby gets more stick on here than Ivanhoe and his record is infinately superior.
On top of that I'm mystified how anyone that has ever watched him play can say he contributes to the team. Its a myth, he doesn't. He slows things down, gets in the way.
Other teams know they are playing against 10 men which means they can concentrate on marking our better players.
I'm a MON fan but Heskey was and is a terrible signing.
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Heskey is not a scapegoat, he is factually rubbish.
In 45 appearances for Villa he has scored 7 goals and had 5 direct goal assists. Thats it. Gabby gets more stick on here than Ivanhoe and his record is infinately superior.
On top of that I'm mystified how anyone that has ever watched him play can say he contributes to the team. Its a myth, he doesn't. He slows things down, gets in the way.
Other teams know they are playing against 10 men which means they can concentrate on marking our better players.
I'm a MON fan but Heskey was and is a terrible signing.
i agree... he is one of THE worst players i have ever seen in a villa shirt...
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In 45 appearances for Villa he has scored 7 goals and had 5 direct goal assists. Thats it. Gabby gets more stick on here than Ivanhoe and his record is infinately superior.
That is very untrue.
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i agree... he is one of THE worst players i have ever seen in a villa shirt...
You must be about 14 years old then.
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If it wasn't Heskey it would probably be Cuellar (there will always be at least one scapegoat). You can ask them to discuss why Cuellar finished last season as the 3rd highest ranked defender on the official PL stats and perhaps isn't as bad as they claim. The answer will be that he is shit and we definitely, definitely need a new left back.
I love how you've created your own brand new argument about Cuellar out of nothing, and then decided what other people will argue. I can't even see why Cuellar being shit (which nobody has argued) would mean that we'd need to replace Warnock. Oh well, carry on.
Sorry, I meant right-back.
I don't think it was too difficult to understand that I was making the point that some people will always strive to have a scapegoat. I wasn't simply creating a brand new argument.
Still, your response is what I would expect.
What about the possibility that people genuinely do think he's not very good?
And if Heskey is a scapegoat, whose deficiencies is he being made to carry the can for?
Then those people should have any difficulty explain why Capello chose to use him ahead of his other options. I've explained that I think it is because he is a selfless player who creates opportunities for his teammates. Why do you think he played in the England world cup team?
Some people spend a lot of time on here complaining about the Villa and the manager, they then use Heskey (for now) as a scapegoat to support that opinion.
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No, in response to people saying he tried hard for England, I mean.
As an example:-
Don't remember Emile ever giving less than his best for his country; pity the same can't be said for the majority of his Engand team mates.
Thanks Emile, and good luck to you.
dont wish him luck, if he's lucky he'll play for us and we will stagnate more!
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i agree... he is one of THE worst players i have ever seen in a villa shirt...
You must be about 14 years old then.
31 actually...
i said he is "one" of the worst.... not 'the' worst...
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If it wasn't Heskey it would probably be Cuellar (there will always be at least one scapegoat). You can ask them to discuss why Cuellar finished last season as the 3rd highest ranked defender on the official PL stats and perhaps isn't as bad as they claim. The answer will be that he is shit and we definitely, definitely need a new left back.
I love how you've created your own brand new argument about Cuellar out of nothing, and then decided what other people will argue. I can't even see why Cuellar being shit (which nobody has argued) would mean that we'd need to replace Warnock. Oh well, carry on.
Sorry, I meant right-back.
I don't think it was too difficult to understand that I was making the point that some people will always strive to have a scapegoat. I wasn't simply creating a brand new argument.
Still, your response is what I would expect.
Have you ever actually looked up the meaning of the word scapegoat?
Have you ever looked up the meaning of the word shit?
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Have you ever looked up the meaning of the word shit?
It says "see Birmingham City FC"
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i agree... he is one of THE worst players i have ever seen in a villa shirt...
You must be about 14 years old then.
31 actually...
i said he is "one" of the worst.... not 'the' worst...
He's certainly one of the least effective strikers we've ever had.
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To be fair to Ivanhoe, it wasn't his fault he was picked 62 times to play for his country.
Hope he's the first of a long list who retire now.
Lampard
Gerrard
Terry
James
Another 4 for starters.
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Can anyone point me in the direction af all these chances he created for his team mates in the last world cup apart from the first 5mins against the USA.
The crux of the matter is he has been very poor for Villa, he came in when we needed a goalscorer when everyone knew his record. It's ok in spouting that he's a team player, Villa don't have the players to take advantage of his 'skills' England do and they were still shit.
Not his fault he was picked but it's quite baffling that two highly regarded managers and planty more in the past hold him in such high etseem.
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Sorry doc, but a striker who does not score, injures our best defender forcing a cripple or shit scouser to play,forces gerrard from the role he is good at, keeps creative players from the team and generally is league one standard, holds back a team.
I think you may have to chalk that one down to Cappello, Unless Emile is picking the side now.
I don't remember Cashley getting injured........
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Then those people should have any difficulty explain why Capello chose to use him ahead of his other options. I've explained that I think it is because he is a selfless player who creates opportunities for his teammates. Why do you think he played in the England world cup team?
What possible relevance does what he does for England (which, let's be entirely honest, is hardly stellar either) have to what he does for Villa?
Where are all these opportunities getting created for his team mates at Villa?
The difference, I am imagining, between England and Villa in the way people are discussing him is that most of us spend a good chunk of our lives thinking about Villa, whereas we don't about the national team, so you can hardly expect people to say "well, he's been rubbish for us, but Capello rates him and he's been a bit better for the national team, so that's ok"
Regardless of what you think of him, or what I think of him, why can't you just accept that some people find him to be not very good, and take them at their word for it?
Some people spend a lot of time on here complaining about the Villa and the manager, they then use Heskey (for now) as a scapegoat to support that opinion.
Some people who aren't that keen on the manager, also aren't that keen on Heskey. It's really that simple.
Again, I'll ask you, if Heskey is a scapegoat, we're blaming him for someone else's deficiencies, so who is that person?
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i agree... he is one of THE worst players i have ever seen in a villa shirt...
You must be about 14 years old then.
31 actually...
i said he is "one" of the worst.... not 'the' worst...
He's certainly one of the least effective strikers we've ever had.
I'm 42 and he's certainly one of the worst strikers I've ever seen play for us.
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i agree... he is one of THE worst players i have ever seen in a villa shirt...
You must be about 14 years old then.
31 actually...
i said he is "one" of the worst.... not 'the' worst...
He's certainly one of the least effective strikers we've ever had.
I'd agree with that.
Nowhere near the worst player I've seen in a Villa shirt. Not even in the top ten.
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i agree... he is one of THE worst players i have ever seen in a villa shirt...
You must be about 14 years old then.
31 actually...
i said he is "one" of the worst.... not 'the' worst...
He's certainly one of the least effective strikers we've ever had.
I'd agree with that.
Nowhere near the worst player I've seen in a Villa shirt. Not even in the top ten.
Same here, we've had a lot worse, he's probably not even the worst player O'Neill has bought (coooee Mr Shorey!) He has his strengths, it's just that we needed someone to score goals. When you want goals, a "defensive striker" is the last thing people want to watch at VP.
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Then those people should have any difficulty explain why Capello chose to use him ahead of his other options. I've explained that I think it is because he is a selfless player who creates opportunities for his teammates. Why do you think he played in the England world cup team?
What possible relevance does what he does for England (which, let's be entirely honest, is hardly stellar either) have to what he does for Villa?
Where are all these opportunities getting created for his team mates at Villa?
The difference, I am imagining, between England and Villa in the way people are discussing him is that most of us spend a good chunk of our lives thinking about Villa, whereas we don't about the national team, so you can hardly expect people to say "well, he's been rubbish for us, but Capello rates him and he's been a bit better for the national team, so that's ok"
Regardless of what you think of him, or what I think of him, why can't you just accept that some people find him to be not very good, and take them at their word for it?
Some people spend a lot of time on here complaining about the Villa and the manager, they then use Heskey (for now) as a scapegoat to support that opinion.
Some people who aren't that keen on the manager, also aren't that keen on Heskey. It's really that simple.
Again, I'll ask you, if Heskey is a scapegoat, we're blaming him for someone else's deficiencies, so who is that person?
His selection for England has relevance to the opinion that he is a shit player, which is what he was being called.
Some people who aren't that keen on the manager, say that they always said Heskey wasn't going to be a good signing and they have been proven right. Those same people also said the same about players like Dunne and Collins but would rather not discuss that in quite as much detail.
I don't take issue with people who aren't that keen on him or think he isn't a very effective striker, I take issue with people who glibly declare that he is shit.
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Am I alone in actually thinking Shorey is a decent player?
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Where's the hatred of which you speak anyway? A lot of people think he's a shit footballer, so what? I can't see anybody tearing into him as a bloke. I don't suppose he loses any sleep over the fact that people on the internet think he's shit while he earns his £3m a year, so I'm not sure why you're being such a big kid about it.
That Risso talks shite, but I'm sure he doesn't mind me saying it as he rakes in shitloads living in a tax haven.
Aww, you didn't do your hilarious wickerman insult.
I didn't mean it as an insult, just a joke. I apologise if it touched a nerve.
PM me if you need me to send a dinghy.
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Im 27 and he's the worst player ive seen.
He helped me beat the traffic home a lot last season.
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Then those people should have any difficulty explain why Capello chose to use him ahead of his other options. I've explained that I think it is because he is a selfless player who creates opportunities for his teammates. Why do you think he played in the England world cup team?
What possible relevance does what he does for England (which, let's be entirely honest, is hardly stellar either) have to what he does for Villa?
Where are all these opportunities getting created for his team mates at Villa?
The difference, I am imagining, between England and Villa in the way people are discussing him is that most of us spend a good chunk of our lives thinking about Villa, whereas we don't about the national team, so you can hardly expect people to say "well, he's been rubbish for us, but Capello rates him and he's been a bit better for the national team, so that's ok"
Regardless of what you think of him, or what I think of him, why can't you just accept that some people find him to be not very good, and take them at their word for it?
Some people spend a lot of time on here complaining about the Villa and the manager, they then use Heskey (for now) as a scapegoat to support that opinion.
Some people who aren't that keen on the manager, also aren't that keen on Heskey. It's really that simple.
Again, I'll ask you, if Heskey is a scapegoat, we're blaming him for someone else's deficiencies, so who is that person?
His selection for England has relevance to the opinion that he is a shit player, which is what he was being called.
Some people who aren't that keen on the manager, say that they always said Heskey wasn't going to be a good signing and they have been proven right. Those same people also said the same about players like Dunne and Collins but would rather not discuss that in quite as much detail.
I don't take issue with people who aren't that keen on him or think he isn't a very effective striker, I take issue with people who glibly declare that he is shit.
There seem to be four arguments.
1. Those who think he's not very good and point out why.
2. Those who think he's better than that, and point out why.
3. Those who, as you say, "glibly declare that he is shit"
4. Those who say "you're only saying he's shit because you don't like the manager" (you, by and large)
The first two have merit, but the last two strike me as non-arguments.
So, why don't you offer your own thoughts on him, rather than "Capello likes him" or "you thought Collins would be shit, too"?
Do you think he's been a good signing, for example? Do you think he's done a job for us?
Feel free to answer the scapegoat question, as well, I'm genuinely interested to hear whose deficiencies Heskey is blamed for, because there can surely only be one possible candidate, if that's the case ...
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Heskey: nice bloke, crap player. End of argument.
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Where's the hatred of which you speak anyway? A lot of people think he's a shit footballer, so what? I can't see anybody tearing into him as a bloke. I don't suppose he loses any sleep over the fact that people on the internet think he's shit while he earns his £3m a year, so I'm not sure why you're being such a big kid about it.
That Risso talks shite, but I'm sure he doesn't mind me saying it as he rakes in shitloads living in a tax haven.
Aww, you didn't do your hilarious wickerman insult.
I didn't mean it as an insult, just a joke. I apologise if it touched a nerve.
PM me if you need me to send a dinghy.
I'd always taken it as a joke, just found the above post unnecessarily stroppy so wan't sure. You can keep the dinghy though, I'll sail across Simon le Bon style on a posho yacht, while sniffing coke off a supermodel's arse crack.
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Where's the hatred of which you speak anyway? A lot of people think he's a shit footballer, so what? I can't see anybody tearing into him as a bloke. I don't suppose he loses any sleep over the fact that people on the internet think he's shit while he earns his £3m a year, so I'm not sure why you're being such a big kid about it.
That Risso talks shite, but I'm sure he doesn't mind me saying it as he rakes in shitloads living in a tax haven.
Aww, you didn't do your hilarious wickerman insult.
I didn't mean it as an insult, just a joke. I apologise if it touched a nerve.
PM me if you need me to send a dinghy.
I'd always taken it as a joke, just found the above post unnecessarily stroppy so wan't sure. You can keep the dinghy though, I'll sail across Simon le Bon style on a posho yacht, while sniffing coke off a supermodel's arse crack.
Is her name Rio?
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Where's the hatred of which you speak anyway? A lot of people think he's a shit footballer, so what? I can't see anybody tearing into him as a bloke. I don't suppose he loses any sleep over the fact that people on the internet think he's shit while he earns his £3m a year, so I'm not sure why you're being such a big kid about it.
That Risso talks shite, but I'm sure he doesn't mind me saying it as he rakes in shitloads living in a tax haven.
Aww, you didn't do your hilarious wickerman insult.
I didn't mean it as an insult, just a joke. I apologise if it touched a nerve.
PM me if you need me to send a dinghy.
I'd always taken it as a joke, just found the above post unnecessarily stroppy so wan't sure. You can keep the dinghy though, I'll sail across Simon le Bon style on a posho yacht, while sniffing coke off a supermodel's arse crack.
Excellent.
And the post in question wasn't meant in a stroppy way, is was a satire of the post I'd quoted. It obviously wasn't very good.
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Same here, we've had a lot worse, he's probably not even the worst player O'Neill has bought (coooee Mr Shorey!) He has his strengths, it's just that we needed someone to score goals. When you want goals, a "defensive striker" is the last thing people want to watch at VP.
Well then we both think exactly the same. I now think you're the greatest moderator ever. Much better than that Paulie_walnuts bloke.
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Heskey: nice bloke, crap player. End of argument.
Job done. Close the thread.
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Then those people should have any difficulty explain why Capello chose to use him ahead of his other options. I've explained that I think it is because he is a selfless player who creates opportunities for his teammates. Why do you think he played in the England world cup team?
What possible relevance does what he does for England (which, let's be entirely honest, is hardly stellar either) have to what he does for Villa?
Where are all these opportunities getting created for his team mates at Villa?
The difference, I am imagining, between England and Villa in the way people are discussing him is that most of us spend a good chunk of our lives thinking about Villa, whereas we don't about the national team, so you can hardly expect people to say "well, he's been rubbish for us, but Capello rates him and he's been a bit better for the national team, so that's ok"
Regardless of what you think of him, or what I think of him, why can't you just accept that some people find him to be not very good, and take them at their word for it?
Some people spend a lot of time on here complaining about the Villa and the manager, they then use Heskey (for now) as a scapegoat to support that opinion.
Some people who aren't that keen on the manager, also aren't that keen on Heskey. It's really that simple.
Again, I'll ask you, if Heskey is a scapegoat, we're blaming him for someone else's deficiencies, so who is that person?
His selection for England has relevance to the opinion that he is a shit player, which is what he was being called.
Some people who aren't that keen on the manager, say that they always said Heskey wasn't going to be a good signing and they have been proven right. Those same people also said the same about players like Dunne and Collins but would rather not discuss that in quite as much detail.
I don't take issue with people who aren't that keen on him or think he isn't a very effective striker, I take issue with people who glibly declare that he is shit.
There seem to be four arguments.
1. Those who think he's not very good and point out why.
2. Those who think he's better than that, and point out why.
3. Those who, as you say, "glibly declare that he is shit"
4. Those who say "you're only saying he's shit because you don't like the manager" (you, by and large)
The first two have merit, but the last two strike me as non-arguments.
So, why don't you offer your own thoughts on him, rather than "Capello likes him" or "you thought Collins would be shit, too"?
Do you think he's been a good signing, for example? Do you think he's done a job for us?
Feel free to answer the scapegoat question, as well, I'm genuinely interested to hear whose deficiencies Heskey is blamed for, because there can surely only be one possible candidate, if that's the case ...
What do you mean by non-arguments? There are plenty of people who glibly declare he is shit. There are also people who use Heskey as a scapegoat because they don't like the manager and think their opinion of Heskey validates their opinion of the manager. For convenience, they choose not to discuss the opinions they expressed about the likes of Dunne and Collins, otherwise they might have to express a more balanced opinion.
I've already said that I think he is a selfless player who works for the team and that is why he gets selected. I know there are plenty of people on here willing to argue they know more than our manager, which is why I ask why do you think Capello chose him ahead of his other options?
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What do you mean by non-arguments? There are plenty of people who glibly declare he is shit. There are also people who use Heskey as a scapegoat because they don't like the manager and think their opinion of Heskey validates their opinion of the manager. For convenience, they choose not to discuss the opinions they expressed about the likes of Dunne and Collins, otherwise they might have to express a more balanced opinion.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I mentioned myself how wrong i was on that the other day.
I've also mentioned how unfair I think people are over the Downing signing. And how I feel Shorey is a decent player. And how rubbishing Delph's signing is ridiculous.
That's my balanced opinion but I don't think I've ever seen you talk of any of our signings in negative terms.
So, since you raised it, where's your own balance?
I've already said that I think he is a selfless player who works for the team and that is why he gets selected. I know there are plenty of people on here willing to argue they know more than our manager, which is why I ask why do you think Capello chose him ahead of his other options?
Ah, Godwins Law.
It had to happen at some point.
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I've already said that I think he is a selfless player who works for the team and that is why he gets selected. I know there are plenty of people on here willing to argue they know more than our manager, which is why I ask why do you think Capello chose him ahead of his other options?
I can see why Capello picks Heskey, as he believes that his presence benefits the attacking players like Gerrard and Lampard. When they have poor games though, it's most unlikely that Heskey is going to chip in with goals of his own to compensate.
As for Villa though, Heskey's supposed strengths do nothing in our style of play whatsoever. As a substitute for Carew, he's spectacularly ineffective, and when he starts it pretty well guarantees that we have two players in him and Petrov who will never score.
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He is a striker. His first job is to score goals. He doesn't.
This could be forgiven if he made spectacular contributions which help out the team and make for us scoring a lot more goals. He doesn't.
Therefore, Emile Heskey, whilst playing for Villa is shit.
This may be because we don't play to his strengths but he does nothing to warrant a place in the team for us.
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What's the technical term for a non goalscoring centre forward?
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Am I alone in actually thinking Shorey is a decent player?
Yes Paulie, you are very alone !
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What's the technical term for a non goalscoring centre forward?
A 'Heskey'.
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What's the technical term for a non goalscoring centre forward?
A "defensive striker". I've only ever heard the term used to describe Emile though.
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What's the technical term for a non goalscoring centre forward?
used to be called "a Cascarino" or a "Heath"
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im sure that term was created purely to explain heskeys poor goalscoring record, and his uncanny ability to aimlessly wander around the centre circle...
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I suppose playing for England was getting in the way of those terrible Premier Inn adverts that he does.
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I think he delibratrely played crap so they'd get knocked out early and he'd be able to make Wimbledon.
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I suppose playing for England was getting in the way of those terrible Premier Inn adverts that he does.
I agree, they do all look the same.
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I suppose playing for England was getting in the way of those terrible Premier Inn adverts that he does.
I agree, they do all look the same.
That's a pretty racist comment actually, an awful stereo type.
Heskey reminds me of Lenny Henry due to his similar build, mugging to camera and painfully unfunny performances.
Colour doesn't come into it, you should be ashamed.
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I heard they have just started filming for The Green Mile 2.
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I suppose playing for England was getting in the way of those terrible Premier Inn adverts that he does.
I agree, they do all look the same.
That's a pretty racist comment actually, an awful stereo type.
Heskey reminds me of Lenny Henry due to his similar build, mugging to camera and painfully unfunny performances.
Colour doesn't come into it, you should be ashamed.
to be fair, all the premier inn's i have stayed in look the same
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I suppose playing for England was getting in the way of those terrible Premier Inn adverts that he does.
I agree, they do all look the same.
That's a pretty racist comment actually, an awful stereo type.
Heskey reminds me of Lenny Henry due to his similar build, mugging to camera and painfully unfunny performances.
Colour doesn't come into it, you should be ashamed.
to be fair, all the premier inn's i have stayed in look the same
I stayed in one with a purple wall once.
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I stayed in one with a purple wall once.
Why would you take a purple wall on a dirty weekend?
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I stayed in one with a purple wall once.
Why would you take a purple wall on a dirty weekend?
For sex, stupid.
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Am I alone in actually thinking Shorey is a decent player?
Yes Paulie, you are very alone !
Not actually. I'm sorry it took me so long to get to this thread but I think Shorey is quite good. He's not the greatest admittedly but he's good enough to get a chance. A few of his worse errors weren't really just his fault. See the game against Boro a while back where he ended up passing to Tuncay because he had and Luke Young had to cover for our two woefully out of position centre backs.
I also notice Warnock who gets nothing like the amount of stick Shorey did tends to make the same kind of mistakes.
That said I still think the number who think Shorey is decent is infinitesimal.
Worse Villa players than Heskey: I add Liam Ridgewell. I really didn't rate him. Similarly Samuel and Hughes were far from my favourites though I think some might rate him.
Surely if you are at least 5 years older than I am you could have Tony Cascarino who managed to combine Heskey's lack of goalscoring prowess to a lack of the work Hesk put in?
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I'd argue that Harewood is a much worse player than Heskey, although at least he too is an honest tryer. Two of the worst forwards I've seen, and both signed by O'Neill.
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Ridgwell was poor, but he scored more league goals for Aston Villa than Emile Heskey has done.
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Ha ha true.
I was going to post that a player like Ridgewell is not judged on his goalscoring but then I remembered the comparison is with Heskey!
God Ridgwell pissed me off with his regular tendancy to handle the ball.
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I hate to say it, but Ridgewell has developed into a decent defender at Blues. Look at how many goals they conceded at home last season, it wasn't many.
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I hate to say it, but Ridgewell has developed into a decent defender at Blues. Look at how many goals they conceded at home last season, it wasn't many.
He's looked dodgy as hell whenever I've seen him. Awful defender.
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Ridgewell plays at left back for them I think.
Whilst unfashionable players both Dann and Johnson have been excellent for them.