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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on July 13, 2010, 07:18:54 PM
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From Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2090552,00.html):
Villa have announced match ticket prices for the coming Barclays Premier League campaign - showing conclusively that purchasing a season card is the best means of watching the mighty claret and blue.
Match ticket prices are once again among the cheapest in the top-flight but, nevertheless, savings of up to £229 [adults], £267 [under-16s] and £240 [over-65s] can be made in selected areas of the ground by getting hold of a season card rather than buying individual match tickets throughout the term.
And, as if that wasn't enough, a family ticket can save you a mammoth £830.
Match ticket prices are very competitive for anyone who only gets to see Villa from time to time but if following Martin O'Neill's men is a full-time hobby then a season card really is the most sensible option.
And if you do purchase a season card for the coming campaign, it will entitle you to buy additional seats for our opening top-flight clash with West Ham.
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/18/b4/0,,10265~8893464,00.jpg)
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..........And with that my days of attending Villa Park are finally over.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2090552,00.html
Seems very complicated./..esp that bit where in the one grid there is an extra orange category compared to the ST grid where that category doesnt exist ?
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Love the opening line. Basically, buy a season ticket or pay through the nose you mugs.
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Are we really sure sales are going that well?
I ask as they are still laying it on really, really thick.
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Love the opening line. Basically, buy a season ticket or pay through the nose you mugs.
That's exactly what I thought.
Not very subtle.
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Are we really sure sales are going that well?
I ask as they are still laying it on really, really thick.
My thoughts exactly.
Not necessarily a good idea to release that grid. I had absolutely no idea it was £45 to sit where we do. Thought it was either £35 or £38. Scary.
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Are we really sure sales are going that well?
I ask as they are still laying it on really, really thick.
They are. I haven't renewed and i've had a few letters from the the club in the last month (and a phone call) trying to tempt me back.
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Well someone has to pay the wages of Beye, L Young, Sidwell, Heskey et al.
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An entertaining team at home will bring the fans back in more than anything else-some of these prices in the current climate are simply unnacceptable considering the poor level of football played at villa park last year.
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Too expensive but that's football all over. I'll go to as many games as the important things in my life allow, knowing that I'll be unlikely to get much change from £100 when I take my dad to watch a game.
It does read like a smack in the chops to non-season ticket holders but then given that football is all about chasing the money rather than the prize, I'm not surprised.
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An entertaining team at home will bring the fans back in more than anything else-some of these prices in the current climate are simply unnacceptable considering the poor level of football played at villa park last year.
Totally agree.
I didn't go to one PL match at VP last season because (being a student) £38 seemed like a lot. Now, I may be working full time now (with enough money) but I am damn well not paying £43 every time I want to watch the Villa.
Unless O'Neill pulls his finger out a lot of others will be feeling the same, especially when we only managed 8 wins (8 draws and 3 losses) at home last season ... the only other team to do that in the top 10 was Blues!
It looks like I'm gonna be paying for North Stand tickets from now on.
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Well someone has to pay the wages of Beye, L Young, Sidwell, Heskey et al.
Ding Ding ! Wrong answer !!
The Season ticket money is about 8 million quid barely enough to cover 2 or 3 players wages for the year.
No my friend, its to discourage the 'WRONG' kind of supporter.
The 'Right' kind is the one that brings his kids or mates and spends loads on food, drink and the club shop, educated, employed and less likely to shout abuse, stand up or moan about over zealous stewarding.
Its goodbye to the burberry cap brigade and hello to the gas guzzler brigade.
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Well someone has to pay the wages of Beye, L Young, Sidwell, Heskey et al.
Ding Ding ! Wrong answer !!
The Season ticket money is about 8 million quid barely enough to cover 2 or 3 players wages for the year.
No my friend, its to discourage the 'WRONG' kind of supporter.
The 'Right' kind is the one that brings his kids or mates and spends loads on food, drink and the club shop, educated, employed and less likely to shout abuse, stand up or moan about over zealous stewarding.
Its goodbye to the burberry cap brigade and hello to the gas guzzler brigade.
Yes, course it is. That's why young adult tickets in the Holte range from £18.
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An entertaining team at home will bring the fans back in more than anything else-some of these prices in the current climate are simply unnacceptable considering the poor level of football played at villa park last year.
Didn't happen under Big Ron or Brian Little. Identufying the untouched potential around the ground and getting them involved will help fill up the ground as we haven't been able to do it for a while. Then if the team get a sustained period of success the rest will follow.
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Well someone has to pay the wages of Beye, L Young, Sidwell, Heskey et al.
Ding Ding ! Wrong answer !!
The Season ticket money is about 8 million quid barely enough to cover 2 or 3 players wages for the year.
No my friend, its to discourage the 'WRONG' kind of supporter.
The 'Right' kind is the one that brings his kids or mates and spends loads on food, drink and the club shop, educated, employed and less likely to shout abuse, stand up or moan about over zealous stewarding.
Its goodbye to the burberry cap brigade and hello to the gas guzzler brigade.
Wow. You do actually have a point.
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We all clamour for hollywood signings but expect to pay low ST and entrance fees
Cant have one without the other
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Well someone has to pay the wages of Beye, L Young, Sidwell, Heskey et al.
Ding Ding ! Wrong answer !!
The Season ticket money is about 8 million quid barely enough to cover 2 or 3 players wages for the year.
No my friend, its to discourage the 'WRONG' kind of supporter.
The 'Right' kind is the one that brings his kids or mates and spends loads on food, drink and the club shop, educated, employed and less likely to shout abuse, stand up or moan about over zealous stewarding.
Its goodbye to the burberry cap brigade and hello to the gas guzzler brigade.
Wow. You do actually have a point.
If it is this, it's an 'edging out ' process.
The tickets sre only marginally more costly that last season and the season before etc.
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well think price of st is fair lookin around
think blackpool 360 wolves and i can,t belive it cheapest 522 and the ablion 399 so watchiin the best midland side for the cheapest price can,t be bad
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2090552,00.html
Seems very complicated./..esp that bit where in the one grid there is an extra orange category compared to the ST grid where that category doesnt exist ?
Reminds me of those "Log Tables" I had to deal with at school before they let us use calculators.
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If I didn't have a season ticket, I almost certainly wouldn't bother going at all.
36-45 quid a game where I sit.
That's a lot of money to fork out to watch a match of football, especially if the entertainment value was what it was last season and the season before - given that, the pain of shelling out so much in one lump from week to week would put me off bothering at all.
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We all clamour for hollywood signings but expect to pay low ST and entrance fees
Cant have one without the other
The television money and the resulting added on sponsorship pays in large for players, not how many of us attend. We contribute but only the same way that if I wanted to buy a mars bar and you gave me 5p, would see you contributing.
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If I didn't have a season ticket, I almost certainly wouldn't bother going at all.
36-45 quid a game where I sit.
That's a lot of money to fork out to watch a match of football, especially if the entertainment value was what it was last season and the season before - given that, the pain of shelling out so much in one lump from week to week would put me off bothering at all.
Agreed to a point. I, and I guess most, would happily see 20 odd boring turgis 1-0 wins at home than the same amount of exciting 4-3 defeats.
But I guess the amount paid does increase for those that only bother with 80 minutes or so...
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well think price of st is fair lookin around
think blackpool 360 wolves and i can,t belive it cheapest 522 and the ablion 399 so watchiin the best midland side for the cheapest price can,t be bad
Exactly. Like it or not football is no longer a working-class game to watch live. There's money all over the place and if the Villa want to compete then they need more of it.
Sadly, even if we don't want to compete it still costs a fortune - just look at the examples above and there are plenty more in the lower leagues.
There's a lot in remy's post too - the club don't want fans who only expect to pay a tenner a fortnight. If that's your budget I suspect the answer is to go and watch Sutton Coldfield Town or your local equivalent.
It all depends on your personal circumstances. For me, I don't mind paying a bit more if it means we stand a chance of winning something. I'm sure there will come a time when my priorities change and I don't want to pay the price. In that case though I'll say thank you very much for the time I've had and walk away - I won't be on here whinging about why it costs so much and in the same breath complaining about the players not being good/exciting enough!!
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I think compaired to other so called big teams, we get value for money but the recession has hit a lot of people which means a lot of people wont be going to any games and maybe they could look at reducing the prices to stop them staying away from villa park.
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From Pravda (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2090552,00.html):
And, as if that wasn't enough, a family ticket can save you a mammoth £830.
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/18/b4/0,,10265~8893464,00.jpg)
Brilliant, on top of the £880.00 i'm saving by not buying a family ticket i've saved myself £1710.00 plus whatever the cost of not buying the new kit for my son or anymore crap from the club shop that falls apart or breaks. I'm quite well off it seems.
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We all clamour for hollywood signings but expect to pay low ST and entrance fees
Cant have one without the other
The television money and the resulting added on sponsorship pays in large for players, not how many of us attend. We contribute but only the same way that if I wanted to buy a mars bar and you gave me 5p, would see you contributing.
why do clubs like Liverpool say they cant compete with Man Utd then, when they say they bring in over 1 mill per game, because of there ground capacity,
Arsenal said thats one of the reasons for why they had to move to increase ground revenues to compete.
if it was all down to TV money, they wouldnt have bothered
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I don't have a season ticket and I'd be lying if I thought Villa ticket prices meant value for money, but I attended plenty of games last season where I was happy with both the view and the price. Of course, it helps that I don't have to bring kids with me or sit in pricier seats with friends. As far as I can see I'll be paying about a fiver more, which is a pain in the arse but prices won't ever come down so that's the way it is.
Live football for me is a treat and not a chore. If I was an ST holder it would be different but I'd like to keep that excitement there and picking the games I'd like to see and can afford to see seems to work for me.
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I kept a season ticket for the best part of 25 yrs but let it go as I was sick of games being moved here there and everywhere- I much prefer a Saturday afternoon game and sadly nowadays tv runs the game too much!
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Well someone has to pay the wages of Beye, L Young, Sidwell, Heskey et al.
Ding Ding ! Wrong answer !!
The Season ticket money is about 8 million quid barely enough to cover 2 or 3 players wages for the year.
No my friend, its to discourage the 'WRONG' kind of supporter.
The 'Right' kind is the one that brings his kids or mates and spends loads on food, drink and the club shop, educated, employed and less likely to shout abuse, stand up or moan about over zealous stewarding.
Its goodbye to the burberry cap brigade and hello to the gas guzzler brigade.
Yes, course it is. That's why young adult tickets in the Holte range from £18.
Yup, there must be loads and loads of seats available in the lower holte for these young pups to snap up.
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I haven't renewed, for the first time in yonks, primarily beacuse my missus is on maternity pay till the new year and we're getting married in May.
Upon viewing that it will cost me £41 to sit with my brother in my old seat, I think I may be visting Villa Park a lot less this season than I had anticipated.
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We all clamour for hollywood signings but expect to pay low ST and entrance fees
Cant have one without the other
The television money and the resulting added on sponsorship pays in large for players, not how many of us attend. We contribute but only the same way that if I wanted to buy a mars bar and you gave me 5p, would see you contributing.
why do clubs like Liverpool say they cant compete with Man Utd then, when they say they bring in over 1 mill per game, because of there ground capacity,
Arsenal said thats one of the reasons for why they had to move to increase ground revenues to compete.
if it was all down to TV money, they wouldnt have bothered
But arse and manure HAD a product that was in demand, every game a sell out with a waiting list. Fast, attacking, winning football (in ManUre's case) - how many times did we sell out last season?
How many tickets are available for all the big games at VP?
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I think a lot of fans are feeling that way leeb- let's hope we can sign someone exciting to lift us all.
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I think a lot of fans are feeling that way leeb- let's hope we can sign someone exciting to lift us all.
It's just pure economics for me mate, no matter what we do, I can't spend what I haven't got.
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i didnt renew mine last season as my Son got into the first team at Buckingham Town, so i went down there on saturdays,
it cost £5 to get in, which i thought was a bit steep,
mind you the football was more entertaining, and you could get a home made pie and cup of tea for £1-50
not getting one this season either,
as he's abroad untill oct/nov, and i cant go on my own, its against the rules,
and there also no one to moan to all the way through the match and on the way home.
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well think price of st is fair lookin around
think blackpool 360 wolves and i can,t belive it cheapest 522 and the ablion 399 so watchiin the best midland side for the cheapest price can,t be bad
Exactly. Like it or not football is no longer a working-class game to watch live. There's money all over the place and if the Villa want to compete then they need more of it.
Sadly, even if we don't want to compete it still costs a fortune - just look at the examples above and there are plenty more in the lower leagues.
There's a lot in remy's post too - the club don't want fans who only expect to pay a tenner a fortnight. If that's your budget I suspect the answer is to go and watch Sutton Coldfield Town or your local equivalent.
It all depends on your personal circumstances. For me, I don't mind paying a bit more if it means we stand a chance of winning something. I'm sure there will come a time when my priorities change and I don't want to pay the price. In that case though I'll say thank you very much for the time I've had and walk away - I won't be on here whinging about why it costs so much and in the same breath complaining about the players not being good/exciting enough!!
To me the home form recently doesnt justify shelling out the best part of £150 to for me and my 2 sons. If we had a 'winning product' I think It would be easier to shell out more. For me to be a loyal supporter just to turn up every game no matter what dross is served up has gone for a Burton not when its costing me so much.
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I think a lot of fans are feeling that way leeb- let's hope we can sign someone exciting to lift us all.
It's just pure economics for me mate, no matter what we do, I can't spend what I haven't got.
Same for me. I'd love to go to more matches. But even a single match is a bit too pricey for me.
Plus, I've vowed to stop using my credit card.
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We all clamour for hollywood signings but expect to pay low ST and entrance fees
Cant have one without the other
The television money and the resulting added on sponsorship pays in large for players, not how many of us attend. We contribute but only the same way that if I wanted to buy a mars bar and you gave me 5p, would see you contributing.
why do clubs like Liverpool say they cant compete with Man Utd then, when they say they bring in over 1 mill per game, because of there ground capacity,
Arsenal said thats one of the reasons for why they had to move to increase ground revenues to compete.
if it was all down to TV money, they wouldnt have bothered
But arse and manure HAD a product that was in demand, every game a sell out with a waiting list. Fast, attacking, winning football (in ManUre's case) - how many times did we sell out last season?
How many tickets are available for all the big games at VP?
Manu have a lot of fans who will pack in if they ever stop winning. I'm glad we don't have too many of those.
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I'd like to start winning in order to find out, mind.
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We all clamour for hollywood signings but expect to pay low ST and entrance fees
Cant have one without the other
The television money and the resulting added on sponsorship pays in large for players, not how many of us attend. We contribute but only the same way that if I wanted to buy a mars bar and you gave me 5p, would see you contributing.
why do clubs like Liverpool say they cant compete with Man Utd then, when they say they bring in over 1 mill per game, because of there ground capacity,
Arsenal said thats one of the reasons for why they had to move to increase ground revenues to compete.
if it was all down to TV money, they wouldnt have bothered
But arse and manure HAD a product that was in demand, every game a sell out with a waiting list. Fast, attacking, winning football (in ManUre's case) - how many times did we sell out last season?
How many tickets are available for all the big games at VP?
Manu have a lot of fans who will pack in if they ever stop winning. I'm glad we don't have too many of those.
What WINS or FANS ?
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Who was our last "Hollywood" signing?? Just out of interest. Who constitutes a " Hollywood" signing?? Wouldnt mind a couple this close season!!
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Who was our last "Hollywood" signing?? Just out of interest. Who constitutes a " Hollywood" signing?? Wouldnt mind a couple this close season!!
We've never had a "Hollywood" signing.
Maybe a few "Dave" signings (players that were once good but are now old and not quite as good as you remember them to be).
And a few "BBC Three/Four" signings (players that are looking good and have gone on to do really well, and those who have turned out to be shit).
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Who was our last "Hollywood" signing?? Just out of interest. Who constitutes a " Hollywood" signing?? Wouldnt mind a couple this close season!!
Stan collymore?
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Merson?
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Who was our last "Hollywood" signing?? Just out of interest. Who constitutes a " Hollywood" signing?? Wouldnt mind a couple this close season!!
Stan collymore?
Alan Smith was born in Hollywood.
And he's a Villa fan.
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If I didn't have a season ticket, I almost certainly wouldn't bother going at all.
36-45 quid a game where I sit.
That's a lot of money to fork out to watch a match of football, especially if the entertainment value was what it was last season and the season before - given that, the pain of shelling out so much in one lump from week to week would put me off bothering at all.
Me too, that's the main reason I buy my season ticket.
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Tony Cascarino was the last Hollywood signing.
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Merson?
The fact you're even suggesting Merson show's we've never had any such thing.
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The reason why attendances will continue to hover below 40k.
West Ham for example is a category B game. I know it's the first one but are you really going to want to pay 38 quid to sit in the Upper Trinity for example?
I'm missing the first two games, go to the ones I want to before Xmas and get a half season ticket thereafter I think.
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if people want to pay much lower prices then should expect that much lower salaries to be paid and thus lower quality players
Our prices are reasonable when compared to those in and around us, the whole football ticket price is a problem for all teams.
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if people want to pay much lower prices then should expect that much lower salaries to be paid and thus lower quality players
Our prices are reasonable when compared to those in and around us, the whole football ticket price is a problem for all teams.
Our season ticket prices by and large remain good.
But our matchday prices are not far off now what I imagine you'd pay at Manure for example.
Given the vast majority of the VP home support is season ticket based nowadays, that's what people forget when threads get made as to why we can only gety 36k for a home game v Wolves on a saturday lunchtime.
If you haven't got a season ticket, then how motivated are you going to be to spend 35 quid or whatever to sit in the Holte?
Prices rising are tolerable as long as we improve on the pitch and make some good progressive signings. So little margin for error this season then especially if we sell Milner and he isn't replaced adequately enough.
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We all clamour for hollywood signings but expect to pay low ST and entrance fees
Cant have one without the other
The television money and the resulting added on sponsorship pays in large for players, not how many of us attend. We contribute but only the same way that if I wanted to buy a mars bar and you gave me 5p, would see you contributing.
why do clubs like Liverpool say they cant compete with Man Utd then, when they say they bring in over 1 mill per game, because of there ground capacity,
Arsenal said thats one of the reasons for why they had to move to increase ground revenues to compete.
if it was all down to TV money, they wouldnt have bothered
If you think about it your point backs mine up. Liverpool cannot compete not because of the extra 20 000 or so fans that Man U have, but because of the additional advertising and sponsorship revenue from having a bigger, and yes, full, ground. The associated corporate packages also tot up. The 1m per game is deeper than bums on seats although, yes, it is contributory.
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But our matchday prices are not far off now what I imagine you'd pay at Manure for example.
correct they are not but their season ticket prices are massively more and they seem to have introduced a £10 ticket in any stand for kids
of course they have a 75000 capacity, 50000 season and corporate ticket holders, how many they have now maybe a different story though but they generate so much more than us in match revenue
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Noth Stand Upper cat A has gone up 50% in 2 years (£20 to £30).
It looks like we'll be charging away fans up to £45 for tickets which is again too much.
There's enough money in the game that we should be able to charge the fans reasonable admission prices across the board (I would say in the region of 20 quid). The extra revenue generated is only going to disappear down the trouser pockets of the players and agents rather than contribute to any greater good.
That said, I'm lucky enough to have enough disposable income to afford a season ticket. There's many who don't.
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Went to Leeds MK Dons with some mates last season - took my 7 year old lad. My ticket was £35 (a decent seat, but still...) and incredibly because the family area was sold out the price for my son was also £35. An expensive day that will not be repeated. Mug? Me?
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Noth Stand Upper cat A has gone up 50% in 2 years (£20 to £30).
It looks like we'll be charging away fans up to £45 for tickets which is again too much.
There's enough money in the game that we should be able to charge the fans reasonable admission prices across the board (I would say in the region of 20 quid). The extra revenue generated is only going to disappear down the trouser pockets of the players and agents rather than contribute to any greater good.
That said, I'm lucky enough to have enough disposable income to afford a season ticket. There's many who don't.
I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with absolutely every word somebody has posted on here.
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I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with absolutely every word somebody has posted on here.
Does that mean you don't think Bono is a c**t?
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I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with absolutely every word somebody has posted on here.
Does that mean you don't think Bono is a c**t?
Doesn't everyone?
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I think this is the first time I've ever agreed with absolutely every word somebody has posted on here.
Does that mean you don't think Bono is a c**t?
Doesn't everyone?
Everyone except Bonio.
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The whole thread issue is really about any product for sale....supply and demand and competitiveness in its rivals market place.
With this in mind we are probably very well positioned against others for value for money ST, probably about only 2 or 3 clubs have cheaper prices available.
As for just AVFC product, against last year i would say it is reasonable against a very good season with progress in a couple of competitions that many others didnt have.
But for this season, we do not yet know what or who will be paraded in front of us, so to a degree its a bit of a gamble at the moment
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The whole thread issue is really about any product for sale....supply and demand and competitiveness in its rivals market place.
With this in mind we are probably very well positioned against others for value for money ST, probably about only 2 or 3 clubs have cheaper prices available.
As for just AVFC product, against last year i would say it is reasonable against a very good season with progress in a couple of competitions that many others didnt have.
But for this season, we do not yet know what or who will be paraded in front of us, so to a degree its a bit of a gamble at the moment
We don't have to be competitive with our rivals though do we?... A season ticket is not like a car. If you think a Vauxhall is not as good or offers as much value for money as a Ford you buy the Ford. If you don't like the football on show or the price you don't decide to go down St. Andrews or The Hawthornes.
To an extent the club can get away with charging what they like as many people will just renew as it is not a rational choice.
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I think the quote about how much you save over the season is pretty much irrelevant, and perhaps people are making too much of it.
How many who go to every home game are not ST holders?
People like myself who live away from the area, and because of work etc are unable to get to all the home games, pick and choose the games they go to.
If i could get to enough games to warrant a ST i would, but i cant so i have to buy mine on a match by match basis when i go.
Im going to West Ham, and paid £25 for the Lower Holte wings, and tbh i think thats great value.
I will probably go to more lower cat games, or the Europa games so it works out cheaper. I go to watch and support Villa, not the opposition.
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Love the opening line. Basically, buy a season ticket or pay through the nose you mugs.
That's exactly what I thought.
Not very subtle.
Exactly. As i'm not going to get a season ticket they are calline me a mug. Unfortunately I'm not so my dosh will stay in my pocket.
It's rather insulting isn't it?
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Love the opening line. Basically, buy a season ticket or pay through the nose you mugs.
That's exactly what I thought.
Not very subtle.
Exactly. As i'm not going to get a season ticket they are calline me a mug. Unfortunately I'm not so my dosh will stay in my pocket.
It's rather insulting isn't it?
It's just a bit of marketing isn't it?
Agreed it's non too subtle but I think you'd have to be a pretty sensitive soul to be insulted by it.
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Love the opening line. Basically, buy a season ticket or pay through the nose you mugs.
That's exactly what I thought.
Not very subtle.
Exactly. As i'm not going to get a season ticket they are calline me a mug. Unfortunately I'm not so my dosh will stay in my pocket.
It's rather insulting isn't it?
It's just a bit of marketing isn't it?
Agreed it's non too subtle but I think you'd have to be a pretty sensitive soul to be insulted by it.
I don't think it's insulting, I just think it's rude and out-of-order.
Like other people, I don't have enough disposable income to go and spend £300-400 on a season ticket.
And yet, because of that, every game I do go to I am not going to have to pay through the nose because they're, basically, trying to force season tickets from fans.
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Love the opening line. Basically, buy a season ticket or pay through the nose you mugs.
That's exactly what I thought.
Not very subtle.
Exactly. As i'm not going to get a season ticket they are calline me a mug. Unfortunately I'm not so my dosh will stay in my pocket.
It's rather insulting isn't it?
It's just a bit of marketing isn't it?
Agreed it's non too subtle but I think you'd have to be a pretty sensitive soul to be insulted by it.
I don't think it's insulting, I just think it's rude and out-of-order.
Like other people, I don't have enough disposable income to go and spend £300-400 on a season ticket.
And yet, because of that, every game I do go to I am not going to have to pay through the nose because they're, basically, trying to force season tickets from fans.
Eh?
There has always, quite rightly, been a discount for season tickets, it's nothing new. It's clearly in the clubs interest to have fans commit their money up front so they reward that by offering a better deal than match day prices.
I'm struggling to see how the line "showing conclusively that purchasing a season card is the best means of watching the mighty claret and blue" is causing such a fuss when it is clearly just a bit of marketing blurb and is factually correct.
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I wouldn't say it is insulting as such, but it is very unsubtle.
"Here's the per match prices, Christ, they're spendy, see, you should get a season ticket" is the way it reads.
If they're expensive, they're only expensive because they chose to make them so. Seems a strange place to draw attention to the fact.
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They're just saying it's more expensive if you don't get a season ticket aren't they? It always has been, they're just saying get a season ticket for a bit more value. If it was the same price then you'd have season ticket holders moaning wouldn't you?
I hope we hurry up and sign McGeady, give us something to really moan about.
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Every organisation that offers season tickets will point out the benefits of a season ticket and much cheaper it is if you get one rather than paying each time you attend.
My gym does it, the local leisure centre does it, Canterbury Rugby do it, The Wellington Phoenix do it.
What is so insulting about Villa doing it?
If you think it's too expensive for a ticket, that's fine and I see your point, but it makes me laugh that some of you are offended by Villa pointing out how much cheaper it is to buy a season ticket. FFS get a grip.
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Personally I think it's actually the ST holders who might feel put out this season.
By hiking match day prices this much they really are pricing out the casual match-by-match fan, and when they realise this (like when some games barely get above the ST holder level) then out will come the bargains. I fully expect to be able to get into the less popular games after Christmas for about a tenner.
And every time they have to discount a league game in order to not have swathes of empty seats, it further devalues your season ticket.
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Personally I think it's actually the ST holders who might feel put out this season.
By hiking match day prices this much they really are pricing out the casual match-by-match fan, and when they realise this (like when some games barely get above the ST holder level) then out will come the bargains. I fully expect to be able to get into the less popular games after Christmas for about a tenner.
And every time they have to discount a league game in order to not have swathes of empty seats, it further devalues your season ticket.
How much have they "hiked" them by?
Mountains out of molehills, something this site does brilliantly.
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Personally I think it's actually the ST holders who might feel put out this season.
By hiking match day prices this much they really are pricing out the casual match-by-match fan, and when they realise this (like when some games barely get above the ST holder level) then out will come the bargains. I fully expect to be able to get into the less popular games after Christmas for about a tenner.
And every time they have to discount a league game in order to not have swathes of empty seats, it further devalues your season ticket.
How much have they "hiked" them by?
Mountains out of molehills, something this site does brilliantly.
I know you've been asked before, but is there any chance you might, just for a day, or even an hour to start with, give it a rest?
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Looking at the price chart on page 1, i do think they could have made the Upper Trinity matchday prices a bit cheaper. It's the one part of the ground which normally has the most empty seats. £45 for one match is a stupid amount of money imo.
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Noth Stand Upper cat A has gone up 50% in 2 years (£20 to £30).
It looks like we'll be charging away fans up to £45 for tickets which is again too much.
There's enough money in the game that we should be able to charge the fans reasonable admission prices across the board (I would say in the region of 20 quid). The extra revenue generated is only going to disappear down the trouser pockets of the players and agents rather than contribute to any greater good.
That said, I'm lucky enough to have enough disposable income to afford a season ticket. There's many who don't.
mate, that is an interesting stat (if accurate - i don't know) - Villa always used to be one of the most competitively priced clubs in the top flight to go and watch. Now it seems as if the prices are spiralling. The thing is though, a lot of the people i chat to reckon its all down to players wages why the ticket prices are so high - but villa don't pay top wages to players (as far as i know) maybe why we've got a half decent squad with a bunch of fillers? Aston Villa fillers.
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its only the trinity road end that's over 40sheets, wherever you sit there are good views at villa park and north stand, holte end, ellis-trinity wings are all fairly well priced, by well priced i mean compared to other premier league clubs.
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I read something yesterday which said that in real terms Premier League prices are at a four-year low. Whatever that means.
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Personally I think it's actually the ST holders who might feel put out this season.
By hiking match day prices this much they really are pricing out the casual match-by-match fan, and when they realise this (like when some games barely get above the ST holder level) then out will come the bargains. I fully expect to be able to get into the less popular games after Christmas for about a tenner.
And every time they have to discount a league game in order to not have swathes of empty seats, it further devalues your season ticket.
How much have they "hiked" them by?
Mountains out of molehills, something this site does brilliantly.
They have "hiked" them by a couple of quid, it may not be a huge amount in Smith Mansion, but it's certainly enough to put a family of four off going down the Villa in these days off austerity.
In your love of all things Villa, can you not see that putting up match day prices will almost certainly hit attendances? This is Brum, this is Villa, we don't need much excuse not to bother.
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Personally I think it's actually the ST holders who might feel put out this season.
By hiking match day prices this much they really are pricing out the casual match-by-match fan, and when they realise this (like when some games barely get above the ST holder level) then out will come the bargains. I fully expect to be able to get into the less popular games after Christmas for about a tenner.
And every time they have to discount a league game in order to not have swathes of empty seats, it further devalues your season ticket.
How much have they "hiked" them by?
Mountains out of molehills, something this site does brilliantly.
They have "hiked" them by a couple of quid, it may not be a huge amount in Smith Mansion, but it's certainly enough to put a family of four off going down the Villa in these days off austerity.
In your love of all things Villa, can you not see that putting up match day prices will almost certainly hit attendances? This is Brum, this is Villa, we don't need much excuse not to bother.
No, I don't think a couple of quid is enough to have a significant impact on crowds. If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach. If the argument was about football being too expensive then I'd agree entirely but it isn't, it's whether our prices are unreasonable given the market we operate in and I don't see how anyone can say that they are.
I've always wondered what the official measure for a price hike was, thanks for clarifying.
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Speaking for myself, this will affect me personally this season, so I'd say that the extra couple of quid is not that much in terms of thinking where you might be able to afford it from, rather that it just pushes over the tipping point where you just look at it and say "I'm not paying that, sod it".
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I've always wondered what the official measure for a price hike was, thanks for clarifying.
Oh bollocks Chris, really, just bollocks.
You really are one of the most fucking annoying blokes I've ever known since got on the Internet! You absolutely know that I just used "hike" as another word for "rise", and if I had used "rise" you would have still come up with the same tiresome "pro-Villa" argument to try to justify the price rise/hike of the match day tickets.
I don't know why I rise to your entirely predictable patheticness, but fuck it, why should you be allowed to get away with it?
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Now obviously I don't get to many games these days, but next time I'm back over, there's no way I could justify paying £40 for a reasonable seat, plus all the other expense like overpriced food and drink. I know it's not just a Villa thing, but even if we are still amongst the cheapest, over £50 before you add on travel and a few drinks in the pub - it's not a game for the casual fan any more is it? It's probably a sign that I'm getting old and boring, but I'd rather take the family out for a day on that sort of cash.
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Personally I think it's actually the ST holders who might feel put out this season.
By hiking match day prices this much they really are pricing out the casual match-by-match fan, and when they realise this (like when some games barely get above the ST holder level) then out will come the bargains. I fully expect to be able to get into the less popular games after Christmas for about a tenner.
And every time they have to discount a league game in order to not have swathes of empty seats, it further devalues your season ticket.
How much have they "hiked" them by?
Mountains out of molehills, something this site does brilliantly.
They have "hiked" them by a couple of quid, it may not be a huge amount in Smith Mansion, but it's certainly enough to put a family of four off going down the Villa in these days off austerity.
In your love of all things Villa, can you not see that putting up match day prices will almost certainly hit attendances? This is Brum, this is Villa, we don't need much excuse not to bother.
No, I don't think a couple of quid is enough to have a significant impact on crowds. If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach. If the argument was about football being too expensive then I'd agree entirely but it isn't, it's whether our prices are unreasonable given the market we operate in and I don't see how anyone can say that they are.
I've always wondered what the official measure for a price hike was, thanks for clarifying.
Jesus Wept!
If you go to one match in a season it is not much of a problem. If you go to say 10 games such a rise is much greater. As quoted a cat A match in the Upper North has increased £10 in 2 years. In 10 games it will cost £100 extra.
'If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach.' What kind of elitist nonsense is that? That is really a staggering statement.
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'If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach.' What kind of elitist nonsense is that? That is really a staggering statement.
Stunning isn't it?
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I haven't had a season ticket for this season for me and my daughter in the upper holte there was a about £100 pound rise on last season, looking at the match day prices i cant see me going to many games unless they have some special deals on.
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No, I don't think a couple of quid is enough to have a significant impact on crowds. If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach. If the argument was about football being too expensive then I'd agree entirely but it isn't, it's whether our prices are unreasonable given the market we operate in and I don't see how anyone can say that they are.
A couple of quid for an individual may not be significant, but if said individual is the bread winner in the family and wants to bring 2 or 3 of them to a match then the costs begin to mount up.
Villa have put on some great deals over the last few years, but sadly those days look to be over. The club want season ticket holders and affluent prawnies as the audience. Something they have made clear in the Pravda spin this time round.
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I don't think the club have had any sort of conscious change of emphasis. They know they'll never fill the ground with corporates & well-off families. At this time of the year they're trying to sell us season tickets. As the season wears on it will be cheap deals.
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I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I do think it is a pretty risky game having such a discrepancy between one-off ticket pricing and season ticket pricing (or, if you choose to see it that way, such a saving for ST holders).
The club risks a situation where people will think "I can't really afford 4-500 quid for the season ticket, I'll pick and choose" only then to find that, when it comes to it, it's a big hit to fork out 40 odd quid to go and see one football match (and that assumes it's just you going, no kids etc etc).
It's a very difficult one to get right.
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I've always wondered what the official measure for a price hike was, thanks for clarifying.
Oh bollocks Chris, really, just bollocks.
You really are one of the most fucking annoying blokes I've ever known since got on the Internet! You absolutely know that I just used "hike" as another word for "rise", and if I had used "rise" you would have still come up with the same tiresome "pro-Villa" argument to try to justify the price rise/hike of the match day tickets.
I don't know why I rise to your entirely predictable patheticness, but fuck it, why should you be allowed to get away with it?
You big tart.
Your line was "By hiking match day prices this much", which is clearly implying a big rise when it just isn't the case. You're now trying to back track by saying it was just a figure of speech when the whole thrust of your first post was that the rises were so big it was going to price people out of the market.
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'If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach.' What kind of elitist nonsense is that? That is really a staggering statement.
Stunning isn't it?
The only thing stunning is your reaction.
For the people I know who aren't working a trip to a PL game is the last thing on their mind. They're more worried about paying the bills and feeding the family. Football priced itself out of the reach of those people decades ago.
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I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I do think it is a pretty risky game having such a discrepancy between one-off ticket pricing and season ticket pricing (or, if you choose to see it that way, such a saving for ST holders).
The club risks a situation where people will think "I can't really afford 4-500 quid for the season ticket, I'll pick and choose" only then to find that, when it comes to it, it's a big hit to fork out 40 odd quid to go and see one football match (and that assumes it's just you going, no kids etc etc).
It's a very difficult one to get right.
It is difficult but that's the going rate for PL football, the alternative would be to opt out and accept that we'll never compete at the top end of the table.
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I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I do think it is a pretty risky game having such a discrepancy between one-off ticket pricing and season ticket pricing (or, if you choose to see it that way, such a saving for ST holders).
The club risks a situation where people will think "I can't really afford 4-500 quid for the season ticket, I'll pick and choose" only then to find that, when it comes to it, it's a big hit to fork out 40 odd quid to go and see one football match (and that assumes it's just you going, no kids etc etc).
It's a very difficult one to get right.
It is difficult but that's the going rate for PL football, the alternative would be to opt out and accept that we'll never compete at the top end of the table.
Haven't we done that already?
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If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach.
Which is completely wrong.
(I'm not saying that you are wrong Chris, that the fact that football is priced out of reach of people is wrong).
It's not just football though, a lot of major sporting/music events in the UK are ridiculously overpriced. As I've stated in the Ashes thread, I've purchased a ticket that gets me access for all 5 days of the Brisbane test and it has cost me less than the ticket I purchased for the Saturday of the Ashes test at Edgbaston last year.
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I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I do think it is a pretty risky game having such a discrepancy between one-off ticket pricing and season ticket pricing (or, if you choose to see it that way, such a saving for ST holders).
The club risks a situation where people will think "I can't really afford 4-500 quid for the season ticket, I'll pick and choose" only then to find that, when it comes to it, it's a big hit to fork out 40 odd quid to go and see one football match (and that assumes it's just you going, no kids etc etc).
It's a very difficult one to get right.
It is difficult but that's the going rate for PL football, the alternative would be to opt out and accept that we'll never compete at the top end of the table.
Haven't we done that already?
That's why I said "top end" rather than top.
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I think the statement about "hitting a personal limit" is the best so far.
Let's say, for example, that a ticket cost you £35 last season. Now, by their "hike" of prices the ticket, in the same seat, costs £38. Personally, that's a little bit too much for me.
I'd happy pay mid-£30 for a ticket, but by adding £3 it's now closer to £40. And that's how people will, and are, seeing it.
Now, Brum is not the richest city in the country, nor will it ever be, and people do not have enough disposable income to spend £400 for a season ticket, let alone £40 for a single game. Think about it ... if you're on a basic wage of £15,000 per anum, then after bills, insurance(s), petrol, shopping, etc, then a family will not be able to afford £200 for their family to go to a Villa match.
And right now, I think Villa need the support. Getting a sell-out stadium on a regular basis is what they need (IMO), and by upping the tickets by just a few quid they're going to start losing them.
I know, from my point of view, that I will not be going to watch as many games as I'd planned. And I'm still able to get U-21 tickets!
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'If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach.' What kind of elitist nonsense is that? That is really a staggering statement.
Stunning isn't it?
The only thing stunning is your reaction.
For the people I know who aren't working a trip to a PL game is the last thing on their mind. They're more worried about paying the bills and feeding the family. Football priced itself out of the reach of those people decades ago.
It isn't just about the people who aren't working, though, is it?
It is also about people who are having to tighten their belts, and there are an awful lot of them around at the moment.
We hardly ever fill our ground, it strikes me that we're not in much of a position to be writing chunks of our market off.
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If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach.
Which is completely wrong.
(I'm not saying that you are wrong Chris, that the fact that football is priced out of reach of people is wrong).
It's not just football though, a lot of major sporting/music events in the UK are ridiculously overpriced. As I've stated in the Ashes thread, I've purchased a ticket that gets me access for all 5 days of the Brisbane test and it has cost me less than the ticket I purchased for the Saturday of the Ashes test at Edgbaston last year.
I'm angry, depressed and jealous as fuck in equal measures.
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Now, Brum is not the richest city in the country, nor will it ever be, and people do not have enough disposable income to spend £400 for a season ticket, let alone £40 for a single game. Think about it ... if you're on a basic wage of £15,000 per anum, then after bills, insurance(s), petrol, shopping, etc, then a family will not be able to afford £200 for their family to go to a Villa match.
If you're going to charge high prices (not relatively to football in general, in absolute terms I mean), then you need to make sure the product on offer is good.
There weren't too many home matches last season I'd have been happy to fork out 40 quid for. Or I might have forked it out once, but I'd have thought seriously about whether to do it again.
Christ only knows how people with kids who want to go manage.
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The only thing stunning is your reaction.
For the people I know who aren't working a trip to a PL game is the last thing on their mind. They're more worried about paying the bills and feeding the family. Football priced itself out of the reach of those people decades ago.
How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
People like me for instance.
A trip to the Villa with my son pretty much clears out my "treat cash" for the month, so it's a conscious decision between watching Villa or maybe going to the cinema followed by a meal out. And every couple of quid added to a ticket at Villa makes the latter (which doesn't seem to have gone up in price at all recently) much more desirable.
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'If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach.' What kind of elitist nonsense is that? That is really a staggering statement.
Stunning isn't it?
The only thing stunning is your reaction.
For the people I know who aren't working a trip to a PL game is the last thing on their mind. They're more worried about paying the bills and feeding the family. Football priced itself out of the reach of those people decades ago.
It isn't just about the people who aren't working, though, is it?
It is also about people who are having to tighten their belts, and there are an awful lot of them around at the moment.
We hardly ever fill our ground, it strikes me that we're not in much of a position to be writing chunks of our market off.
Agreed, there will be people who decide that they can't afford it, I've been in the same position myself in the past. My reply to Dave though was that I didn't think it was enough to have "a significant impact on crowds". I might be wrong but unless the team suffers a massive slump I expect attendances to be pretty similar to last season.
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If you're struggling financially then sadly football is already out of your reach.
Which is completely wrong.
(I'm not saying that you are wrong Chris, that the fact that football is priced out of reach of people is wrong).
It's not just football though, a lot of major sporting/music events in the UK are ridiculously overpriced. As I've stated in the Ashes thread, I've purchased a ticket that gets me access for all 5 days of the Brisbane test and it has cost me less than the ticket I purchased for the Saturday of the Ashes test at Edgbaston last year.
I'm angry, depressed and jealous as fuck in equal measures.
Maybe I should tell you how much the tickets for the first four days at Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide have cost too!
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There weren't too many home matches last season I'd have been happy to fork out 40 quid for. Or I might have forked it out once, but I'd have thought seriously about whether to do it again.
I just thought about that after I posted.
I didn't go to any PL games last season (shocking, I know), but by looking at their home stats I'm quite glad I didn't.
8 wins, 8 draws and 3 losses. Now, for a club that are charging £40ish a ticket I'd expect a better home record than that. And before anyone says anything, yes, I am aware that a draw is better than losing. But only just.
I'd want better for that money.
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Maybe I should tell you how much the tickets for the first four days at Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide have cost too!
Would it be terribly rude of me to tell you to fuck off?
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Maybe I should tell you how much the tickets for the first four days at Melbourne, Sydney and Adelaide have cost too!
Would it be terribly rude of me to tell you to fuck off?
*wavey man*
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The only thing stunning is your reaction.
For the people I know who aren't working a trip to a PL game is the last thing on their mind. They're more worried about paying the bills and feeding the family. Football priced itself out of the reach of those people decades ago.
How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
People like me for instance.
A trip to the Villa with my son pretty much clears out my "treat cash" for the month, so it's a conscious decision between watching Villa or maybe going to the cinema followed by a meal out. And every couple of quid added to a ticket at Villa makes the latter (which doesn't seem to have gone up in price at all recently) much more desirable.
"Pop-star Wages"?
Obviously this wouldn't apply to everyone but as you'd used yourself as an example I'd suggest you stop wasting your money following that shitty south Staffs team home and away and use it to go to the Villa more.
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The only thing stunning is your reaction.
For the people I know who aren't working a trip to a PL game is the last thing on their mind. They're more worried about paying the bills and feeding the family. Football priced itself out of the reach of those people decades ago.
How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
People like me for instance.
A trip to the Villa with my son pretty much clears out my "treat cash" for the month, so it's a conscious decision between watching Villa or maybe going to the cinema followed by a meal out. And every couple of quid added to a ticket at Villa makes the latter (which doesn't seem to have gone up in price at all recently) much more desirable.
"Pop-star Wages"?
Obviously this wouldn't apply to everyone but as you'd used yourself as an example I'd suggest you stop wasting your money following that shitty south Staffs team home and away and use it to go to the Villa more.
And maybe everyone else who's been priced out can stop spending their money on non-essentials and give every penny of their disposable income to the Villa.
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The only thing stunning is your reaction.
For the people I know who aren't working a trip to a PL game is the last thing on their mind. They're more worried about paying the bills and feeding the family. Football priced itself out of the reach of those people decades ago.
How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
People like me for instance.
A trip to the Villa with my son pretty much clears out my "treat cash" for the month, so it's a conscious decision between watching Villa or maybe going to the cinema followed by a meal out. And every couple of quid added to a ticket at Villa makes the latter (which doesn't seem to have gone up in price at all recently) much more desirable.
"Pop-star Wages"?
Obviously this wouldn't apply to everyone but as you'd used yourself as an example I'd suggest you stop wasting your money following that shitty south Staffs team home and away and use it to go to the Villa more.
And maybe everyone else who's been priced out can stop spending their money on non-essentials and give every penny of their disposable income to the Villa.
Now you're just being silly.
It was a slightly flippant answer to Dave but less so than his suggestion that those of us that do go to the match are on pop-star wages.
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It was a slightly flippant answer to Dave but less so than his suggestion that those of us that do go to the match are on pop-star wages.
I don't see how you read it as that, Chris.
Looked to me like he meant anyone who has a job but has to watch their money - ie what about them? Rather than suggesting you have to have pop star wages to go to games.
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Season tickets for me and my lad in The Holte totalled £440.00
£ 11.57 each per game.
£4.23 each per week.
Like many others I'm on skint street at the moment but I find those rates acceptable to be part of the establishment that is ASTON VILLA.
I work nights in the week, and we have football commitments on Saturday mornings and Sunday afternoons so his mates may well frequent our seats as often as we do; but I'm still feeling the luuuuuuurve at those rates.
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"Pop-star Wages"?
Obviously this wouldn't apply to everyone but as you'd used yourself as an example I'd suggest you stop wasting your money following that shitty south Staffs team home and away and use it to go to the Villa more.
As usual you choose to cherry pick the bit from the post that you can use to have a flippant pop at the poster rather than actually address the main point, which I know you got, but chose to ignore.
No problem though, we're all used to it by now.
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"Pop-star Wages"?
Obviously this wouldn't apply to everyone but as you'd used yourself as an example I'd suggest you stop wasting your money following that shitty south Staffs team home and away and use it to go to the Villa more.
As usual you choose to cherry pick the bit from the post that you can use to have a flippant pop at the poster rather than actually address the main point, which I know you got, but chose to ignore.
No problem though, we're all used to it by now.
You're appear to be one of those people that just can't handle being disagreed with.
How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
By implication those that can afford more than the odd treat, i.e. a season ticket, are earning pop-star wages. This is the second time in the thread where you've used melodramatic language to try to emphasise a point and there is no need.
edit: And I did answer it, you just didn't get it. You choose to spend your cash on Tamworth, just as everone of makes a decison on how we spend our money. If you didn't spend it there you'd have more to spend at Villa, If I didn't go to the match I'd be able to buy the new lens I want for my camera. There will be some people who might decide that they can't afford it this year and I know how they feel because I've been there myself but I still don't think the increase is sufficient to have the massive impact you suggested earlier in the thread.
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You're appear to be one of those people that just can't handle being disagreed with.
That's it. Close the internet. Disband the world wide web. We've reached the end of history. Nothing could ever top this.
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Season tickets for me and my lad in The Holte totalled £440.00
£ 11.57 each per game.
£4.23 each per week.
Like many others I'm on skint street at the moment but I find those rates acceptable to be part of the establishment that is ASTON VILLA.
I work nights in the week, and we have football commitments on Saturday mornings and Sunday afternoons so his mates may well frequent our seats as often as we do; but I'm still feeling the luuuuuuurve at those rates.
How on Earth did you manage to get them that cheap?
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How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
By implication those that can afford more than the odd treat, i.e. a season ticket, are earning pop-star wages. This is the second time in the thread where you've used melodramatic language to try to emphasise a point and there is no need.
Eh?
That's some pretty odd logic going on there.
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You're appear to be one of those people that just can't handle being disagreed with.
That's it. Close the internet. Disband the world wide web. We've reached the end of history. Nothing could ever top this.
I'm disagreed with so regularly on here if I couldn't handle it I'd pack it in. On the contrary, I enjoy a good argument.
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How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
By implication those that can afford more than the odd treat, i.e. a season ticket, are earning pop-star wages. This is the second time in the thread where you've used melodramatic language to try to emphasise a point and there is no need.
Eh?
That's some pretty odd logic going on there.
Dave makes a distinction between people who can only afford the odd treat and people on pop-star wage.
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You're appear to be one of those people that just can't handle being disagreed with.
That's it. Close the internet. Disband the world wide web. We've reached the end of history. Nothing could ever top this.
I'm disagreed with so regularly on here if I couldn't handle it I'd pack it in. On the contrary, I enjoy a good argument.
Bollocks do you.
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How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
By implication those that can afford more than the odd treat, i.e. a season ticket, are earning pop-star wages. This is the second time in the thread where you've used melodramatic language to try to emphasise a point and there is no need.
Eh?
That's some pretty odd logic going on there.
I earn pop star wages. Unfortunately, that pop star is Sean McGuire.
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You're appear to be one of those people that just can't handle being disagreed with.
That's it. Close the internet. Disband the world wide web. We've reached the end of history. Nothing could ever top this.
I'm disagreed with so regularly on here if I couldn't handle it I'd pack it in. On the contrary, I enjoy a good argument.
Bollocks do you.
I said a good argument.
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You're appear to be one of those people that just can't handle being disagreed with.
That's it. Close the internet. Disband the world wide web. We've reached the end of history. Nothing could ever top this.
I'm disagreed with so regularly on here if I couldn't handle it I'd pack it in. On the contrary, I enjoy a good argument.
Bollocks do you.
I said a good argument.
So, what time is the Internet closing?
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On the contrary, I enjoy a good argument.
We had noticed.
You could start a row in an empty room.
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heh. The forum's own one man Villa PR campaign strikes again.
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How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
By implication those that can afford more than the odd treat, i.e. a season ticket, are earning pop-star wages. This is the second time in the thread where you've used melodramatic language to try to emphasise a point and there is no need.
Eh?
That's some pretty odd logic going on there.
I earn pop star wages. Unfortunately, that pop star is Sean McGuire.
You wish.
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Things I never thought I'd see:-
1. A liberal Democrat/Conservative coalition.
2. Bret Hart return to the WWE.
3. Robbie Williams rejoin Take That.
4. Gregnash post in a thread about match tickets.
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How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
By implication those that can afford more than the odd treat, i.e. a season ticket, are earning pop-star wages. This is the second time in the thread where you've used melodramatic language to try to emphasise a point and there is no need.
Eh?
That's some pretty odd logic going on there.
I earn pop star wages. Unfortunately, that pop star is Sean McGuire.
You wish.
I don't imagine he's coining in the PRS royalties these days.
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Season tickets for me and my lad in The Holte totalled £440.00
£ 11.57 each per game.
£4.23 each per week.
Like many others I'm on skint street at the moment but I find those rates acceptable to be part of the establishment that is ASTON VILLA.
I work nights in the week, and we have football commitments on Saturday mornings and Sunday afternoons so his mates may well frequent our seats as often as we do; but I'm still feeling the luuuuuuurve at those rates.
How on Earth did you manage to get them that cheap?
By taking full advantage of the purchasing schemes divised by the club.
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How about people who ARE working but don't earn pop-star wages, and can afford the odd treat, such as a trip to see their football team?
By implication those that can afford more than the odd treat, i.e. a season ticket, are earning pop-star wages. This is the second time in the thread where you've used melodramatic language to try to emphasise a point and there is no need.
Eh?
That's some pretty odd logic going on there.
I earn pop star wages. Unfortunately, that pop star is Sean McGuire.
You wish.
I don't imagine he's coining in the PRS royalties these days.
I found this graph showing how much people spend on football comapred to wages that you might be interested in Risso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)?
It has sound on it.
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Ads, I'm never going to turn around, and ban you.
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Sean McGuire - didn't he actually go on to be big in That America, as an actor?
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I haven't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if this has been covered.
One thing that's always puzzled me is why it costs more to sit (stand) in the Upper Holte than it does in the Upper North.
Its essentially the same view but ST wise its over £100 more
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I haven't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if this has been covered.
One thing that's always puzzled me is why it costs more to sit (stand) in the Upper Holte than it does in the Upper North.
Its essentially the same view but ST wise its over £100 more
Because we're common.
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I haven't read the whole thread, so I'm not sure if this has been covered.
One thing that's always puzzled me is why it costs more to sit (stand) in the Upper Holte than it does in the Upper North.
Its essentially the same view but ST wise its over £100 more
Facilities are better.
If you actually try to sit down in the Upper North, and you're anything above average height, you'll find the (quite sharp) edges of the seat in front driving so far into your knees as to render it impossible.
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Do you think if we suffer a decline in attendances next season that certain people in both the media and possibly the club will start criticising the fans rather than looking at the real reasons?
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Do you think if we suffer a decline in attendances next season that certain people in both the media and possibly the club will start criticising the fans rather than looking at the real reasons?
I like it, a dig based on an imagined reaction to a potential situation several months in the future.
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Do you think if we suffer a decline in attendances next season that certain people in both the media and possibly the club will start criticising the fans rather than looking at the real reasons?
The worst critics of a probable down turn in attendences are bound to be on here first and loudest!
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Do you think if we suffer a decline in attendances next season that certain people in both the media and possibly the club will start criticising the fans rather than looking at the real reasons?
I like it, a dig based on an imagined reaction to a potential situation several months in the future.
Just clairified the key word of the question.
It seems you have imagined I have made a dig based on an imagined reaction to a potential situation several months in the future.
It wasn't a dig at anyone I merely suggested that if in the potential scenario our attendances drop off to say low to mid thirties will the press speak of coquettish Villa fans or will they realise it's because of the spiraling cost of the game (I know our prices are reasonably fair in comparison to others) and other factors such as the recession and so on.
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Seemed a fair enough question to me Sandman.
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It wasn't a dig at anyone I merely suggested that if in the potential scenario our attendances drop off to say low to mid thirties will the press speak of coquettish Villa fans or will they realise it's because of the spiraling cost of the game (I know our prices are reasonably fair in comparison to others) and other factors such as the recession and so on.
Quite.
I'm sure the same people suggesting those who can't afford 40 quid a pop are lost to us anyway, so no big deal, would point at the recession in those circumstances.
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Do you think if we suffer a decline in attendances next season that certain people in both the media and possibly the club will start criticising the fans rather than looking at the real reasons?
I like it, a dig based on an imagined reaction to a potential situation several months in the future.
Just clairified the key word of the question.
It seems you have imagined I have made a dig based on an imagined reaction to a potential situation several months in the future.
It wasn't a dig at anyone I merely suggested that if in the potential scenario our attendances drop off to say low to mid thirties will the press speak of coquettish Villa fans or will they realise it's because of the spiraling cost of the game (I know our prices are reasonably fair in comparison to others) and other factors such as the recession and so on.
It would be like me asking if I got home one day in January and the milk had gone off would I get the blame for leaving the fridge door open or would it be down to a power cut?
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It would be like me asking if I got home one day in January and the milk had gone off would I get the blame for leaving the fridge door open or would it be down to a power cut?
You'd blame the supporters.
And also point out that they'd previously left your fridge open on three previous occasions, causing your Battenburg and Lemon curd to go off.
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I'm not having a season ticket this season.
I can't stand home games.
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It would be like me asking if I got home one day in January and the milk had gone off would I get the blame for leaving the fridge door open or would it be down to a power cut?
You'd blame the supporters.
And also point out that they'd previously left your fridge open on three previous occasions, causing your Battenburg and Lemon curd to go off.
I'd blame the milk for not being Long Life. Forget your fancy full cream ponces milk at times like this you need some UHT that you know you can rely on.
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It would be like me asking if I got home one day in January and the milk had gone off would I get the blame for leaving the fridge door open or would it be down to a power cut?
You'd blame the supporters.
And also point out that they'd previously left your fridge open on three previous occasions, causing your Battenburg and Lemon curd to go off.
What sort of borderline mental would put cake in the fridge?
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UHT? Yuk. That's like white piss.
Full fat all the way baby!! B)
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It would be like me asking if I got home one day in January and the milk had gone off would I get the blame for leaving the fridge door open or would it be down to a power cut?
You'd blame the supporters.
And also point out that they'd previously left your fridge open on three previous occasions, causing your Battenburg and Lemon curd to go off.
What sort of borderline mental would put cake in the fridge?
I can't afford cake, I'm not on pop-star wages.
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It would be like me asking if I got home one day in January and the milk had gone off would I get the blame for leaving the fridge door open or would it be down to a power cut?
You'd blame the supporters.
And also point out that they'd previously left your fridge open on three previous occasions, causing your Battenburg and Lemon curd to go off.
What sort of borderline mental would put cake in the fridge?
I can't afford cake, I'm not on pop-star wages.
What's cake ? .........and what are wages ??
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It would be like me asking if I got home one day in January and the milk had gone off would I get the blame for leaving the fridge door open or would it be down to a power cut?
You'd blame the supporters.
And also point out that they'd previously left your fridge open on three previous occasions, causing your Battenburg and Lemon curd to go off.
What sort of borderline mental would put cake in the fridge?
People who live in hot countries, I imagine.
Chris, do you live in a hot country?
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It would be like me asking if I got home one day in January and the milk had gone off would I get the blame for leaving the fridge door open or would it be down to a power cut?
You'd blame the supporters.
And also point out that they'd previously left your fridge open on three previous occasions, causing your Battenburg and Lemon curd to go off.
What sort of borderline mental would put cake in the fridge?
People who live in hot countries, I imagine.
Chris, do you live in a hot country?
No, I live in one that is just like Baby Bear's porridge.
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Dave makes a distinction between people who can only afford the odd treat and people on pop-star wage.
As you well know I used "pop-star wages" as a throwaway line to indicate people with more disposable income than your average manual worker or (like me) office drone with a big mortgage, but you chose to highlight it because it better suits your strange argument.
As for me going to Tamworth, yes I could forego that to watch Villa more, I could also not go to the pub or the cinema so often, or I could not do cricket in the summer and save that money too, but the fact remains that people like me are having to make a conscious decision about where we spend our spare cash, and the more Villa put up match-day prices, the less we are likely to bother. And if Villa start to lose casual fans because of high match-day prices where does that leave the legacy? Where are the next generation of fans coming from?
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It would be like me asking if I got home one day in January and the milk had gone off would I get the blame for leaving the fridge door open or would it be down to a power cut?
You'd blame the supporters.
And also point out that they'd previously left your fridge open on three previous occasions, causing your Battenburg and Lemon curd to go off.
What sort of borderline mental would put cake in the fridge?
Stephen 'Lady Ga Ga' Ireland.
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I see the club have already started the cheapo deals, there's a two tickets for 35 quid deal for the West Ham and Everton home games floating around on the O/S I think so don't get why they're pitched so high in the first place.
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We all clamour for hollywood signings but expect to pay low ST and entrance fees
Cant have one without the other
But where are they? Robbie keane & mcgeady aren't exactly the kind of player to entice me back. If they sign that mcgeady they can forget it completely
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Dave makes a distinction between people who can only afford the odd treat and people on pop-star wage.
As you well know I used "pop-star wages" as a throwaway line to indicate people with more disposable income than your average manual worker or (like me) office drone with a big mortgage, but you chose to highlight it because it better suits your strange argument.
As for me going to Tamworth, yes I could forego that to watch Villa more, I could also not go to the pub or the cinema so often, or I could not do cricket in the summer and save that money too, but the fact remains that people like me are having to make a conscious decision about where we spend our spare cash, and the more Villa put up match-day prices, the less we are likely to bother. And if Villa start to lose casual fans because of high match-day prices where does that leave the legacy? Where are the next generation of fans coming from?
Don't we all have to make conscious decisions about how we spend our money? That seems a particularly weak argument. Cost is an an issue of course but other clubs seem to get by on higher prices than us so why do you think these modest rises make it more of an issue for Aston Villa than for them?
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Cost is an an issue of course but other clubs seem to get by on higher prices than us so why do you think these modest rises make it more of an issue for Aston Villa than for them?
I generally don't concern myself with what other Premier League clubs are doing, all I know is that Villa don't sell out the ground very often and raising match day prices will, in my opinion, see a lot more empty seats this season.
If other clubs are charging more and still getting the punters in then good on them, either they have better fans than us, or a bigger fanbase, or they are providing a better match-day experience that is attracting casual fans.
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For me and my 2 young sons to attend against wet spam are options are:
Cat 1 - £114
Cat 2 - £84
Cat 3 - £81
Cat 4 - £75
Cat 5 - £61
Cat 6 - £53
I earn the average wage, drink in moderation and supported Villa for 23 years now. I work some Saturdays so getting a season ticket is a non starter. However I try to get to go to as many games as my pocket and time allows.
And yet, this season the price is bordering on ridiculous BUT justified if we had a premium product. And that means to me - champions league level players and fast, attacking, winning football at HOME.
ManUre, Chelski, Arse - I would expect a premium price here.
Man City - Like kids in a sweet shop with their chq book and can sign any
player and will.
Spuds - Just qualified for the Champions league, won 14 home games
and scored 40 goals there.
And Villa - Scored 29 goals (lowest in the top 8) and won only a pitiful 8 games at home. Our best player Milner is about to leave and as per the norm there are no new signings on the horizon - yet.
We've improved year on year from the Clueless/Herbert double act which had brought us to our knees in 2006 and now were an established top 6 side for the 3rd consecutive year - of which I am now asked to pay top whack for. The Villa had my money, support and loyalty all this time and now Im being edged out and I dont feel its worth it anymore.
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Cost is an an issue of course but other clubs seem to get by on higher prices than us so why do you think these modest rises make it more of an issue for Aston Villa than for them?
I generally don't concern myself with what other Premier League clubs are doing, all I know is that Villa don't sell out the ground very often and raising match day prices will, in my opinion, see a lot more empty seats this season.
If other clubs are charging more and still getting the punters in then good on them, either they have better fans than us, or a bigger fanbase, or they are providing a better match-day experience that is attracting casual fans.
=D>
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Cost is an an issue of course but other clubs seem to get by on higher prices than us so why do you think these modest rises make it more of an issue for Aston Villa than for them?
I generally don't concern myself with what other Premier League clubs are doing, all I know is that Villa don't sell out the ground very often and raising match day prices will, in my opinion, see a lot more empty seats this season.
If other clubs are charging more and still getting the punters in then good on them, either they have better fans than us, or a bigger fanbase, or they are providing a better match-day experience that is attracting casual fans.
We don't operate in a vacuum, what other clubs are doing is relevant as we have to try and compete with them which means trying to match their income. These small increases might cause a few to stop going or go less often which is of course a shame on an individual basis but I don't share your pessimism that it is enough to have a significant impact on overall crowds.
Is PL football too expensive? Of course it is. Can Aston Villa opt out of this and still try to compete with Spurs and Everton? Sadly, no.
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But do Villa, with their much vaunted new sponsorship deal, new corporate facilities, new shirt at £55 a pop every season etc. etc. etc., actually need the - what? - half a million pounds that the rise in ticket prices will generate in a season? It will end up less than that when they have to start flogging the bargains against the less attractive clubs. The amount gained is a drop in the ocean when compared to the Sky cash for instance.
I don't think the rise is warranted and I don't think Villa desperately need the equivalent of half of Heskey's wage to compete with Everton.
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But do Villa, with their much vaunted new sponsorship deal, new corporate facilities, new shirt at £55 a pop every season etc. etc. etc., actually need the - what? - half a million pounds that the rise in ticket prices will generate in a season? It will end up less than that when they have to start flogging the bargains against the less attractive clubs. The amount gained is a drop in the ocean when compared to the Sky cash for instance.
I don't think the rise is warranted and I don't think Villa desperately need the equivalent of half of Heskey's wage to compete with Everton.
It's a relatively modest increase but I don't know how much it will generate but if your doomsday predictions are right it will lose us money.
I still say that we're still better than most other clubs but like everyone else Villa have increased costs to meet year on year before you even talk about transfers and wages.
However, my argument from the start was that I don't think it will have the significant impact that you think it will and as we won't know that for 6-9 months shall we just agree to disagree for now and see what happens?
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For me and my 2 young sons to attend against wet spam are options are:
Cat 1 - £114
Cat 2 - £84
Cat 3 - £81
Cat 4 - £75
Cat 5 - £61
Cat 6 - £53
I earn the average wage, drink in moderation and supported Villa for 23 years now. I work some Saturdays so getting a season ticket is a non starter. However I try to get to go to as many games as my pocket and time allows.
And yet, this season the price is bordering on ridiculous BUT justified if we had a premium product. And that means to me - champions league level players and fast, attacking, winning football at HOME.
ManUre, Chelski, Arse - I would expect a premium price here.
Man City - Like kids in a sweet shop with their chq book and can sign any
player and will.
Spurs - Just qualified for the Champions league, won 14 home games
and scored 40 goals there.
And Villa - Scored 29 goals (lowest in the top 8) and won only a pitiful 8 games at home. Our best player Milner is about to leave and as per the norm there are no new signings on the horizon - yet.
We've improved year on year from the Clueless/Herbert double act which had brought us to our knees in 2006 and now were an established top 6 side for the 3rd consecutive year - of which I am now asked to pay top whack for. The Villa had my money, support and loyalty all this time and now Im being edged out and I dont feel its worth it anymore.
What an excellent, logically explained, well thought-out post.
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Cost is an an issue of course but other clubs seem to get by on higher prices than us so why do you think these modest rises make it more of an issue for Aston Villa than for them?
I generally don't concern myself with what other Premier League clubs are doing, all I know is that Villa don't sell out the ground very often and raising match day prices will, in my opinion, see a lot more empty seats this season.
If other clubs are charging more and still getting the punters in then good on them, either they have better fans than us, or a bigger fanbase, or they are providing a better match-day experience that is attracting casual fans.
Excellent points.
If you add to that the fact we are based in a not particularly well off city, with employment heavily based in a declining industrial sector and a public sector that will be cut and in a time of recession then people will be less likely to spend big on going to matches.
Compared to Spurs who someone once referred to as the only club where supporters are richer than the players we cannot charge anything like as much.
I understand we are comparatively fair in prices but regardless of this, with the limitations we have, in the current economic climate we will see fewer fans at the ground on match days.
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I should probably keep out of this because I'm about to be on the "wrong" side, but I love a good underdog battle - that's what being a Villa fan's all about!
First thing's first, I completely agree that football is hugely expensive and the salaries players command are as extreme as it gets.
In terms of football in general, like it or not, all major forms of entertainment set their prices by comparing themselves to other forms of entertainment. Some examples of other live entertainment I've seen recently or am about to see (and therefore a slightly eclectic selection) include:
England vs Pakistan @ Edgbaston - £60 for a day of "entertainment"
The theatre - c.£30 for a couple of hours
Wales Rally GB - £30 for a couple of hours across a day
Music concert - £20-£40 for a couple of hours
There are loads of examples and they’re just a few, but the thing that jumps out to me is that £30 is about the going rate for a couple of hours of live entertainment. On that basis, football would seem overpriced but I suspect there are plenty of fans who expect football to be much less.
As for the Villa specifically, we can’t live in a bubble, ignoring what other clubs do. For those that say, “leave the prices as they are this season – it won’t make that much difference to turnover”, if you apply that theory over several years the gap between our income and that of all clubs around us will just get larger. The harsh reality if it does is that we’ll become worse and worse comparatively. Before many seasons, it won’t be Spurs and Man City we’re comparing ourselves to, but West Ham and Blues! I for one don’t want to be in that situation.
Ultimately success on the pitch is the result of loads of different factors, but the amount of money we have to play with is a massive one. As Chris says, we just don’t know how much of an impact this increase will have until we’re a good way into the season.
I’m sure someone with a better grasp of economics and statistics would be able to explain how the fact the club segments the market through different ticket categories means the overall impact of price increases will be very low due to the majority of fans just downgrading to the next category if they have to. If I try it, I’ll turn an already long message into a novel!
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I understand we are comparatively fair in prices but regardless of this, with the limitations we have, in the current economic climate we will see fewer fans at the ground on match days.
When I hear about the price increase being needed to compete, I do wonder whether the maths bear this out. For instance:-
Average price of £27 x average attendance of 35,000 x 19 home league games = £17.95m
Or
Average price of £30 x average attendance of 32,000 x 19 home league games = £18.24m
My figures are made up, but I think the extra 3,000 at games creating a better atmosphere is worth more than an extra £290,000 to us.
Having said all that, the blokes that run the club aren't fools so probably already know how much the increased pricing will effect attendances and income.
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I think that the price elasticity of demand for Villa tickets is the key to all of this.
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I think that the price elasticity of demand for Villa tickets is the key to all of this.
That's the phrase I couldn't remember - my old Economics tutor would be ashamed of me!
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I think that the price elasticity of demand for Villa tickets is the key to all of this.
How do you view the macro picture though Risso ? ;-)
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Liverpool have just raised their prices at Anfield for category A matches next season to 43 quid.
Think they were 39 quid last season.
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I had to smile when I saw the advertisement on the OS for a family season ticket for 'only' £880. I know its all relative and that's not bad for a family of four but since when has £880 been 'only'?