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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 30, 2010, 01:25:25 AM
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From the Liverpool Echo (twitter):
ROY HODGSON will be officially named Liverpool FC’s new manager tomorrow (Wednesday).
The 62-year-old is due on Merseyside to complete the formalities of signing a contract after the Reds agreed a compensation package in the region of £2million with Fulham for his release.
Cordial negotiations have been ongoing in the past 72 hours between Liverpool’s Managing Director Christian Purslow and Fulham Chief Executive Alastair Mackintosh and they have now reached a successful conclusion.
Though Liverpool – who have remained tight-lipped throughout their search to replace Rafa Benitez – were linked with a clutch of names, Hodgson was always the number one candidate.
Other names in the frame included former Real Madrid boss Manuel Pellegrini, Galatasary’s Frank Rijkaard and Didier Deschamps of Marseille, while Kenny Dalglish also made it clear he was desperate to take the job on.
Dalglish had initially been named as part of the recruitment process but he was desperate to have a second crack at the post he occupied between 1985 and 1991 when he felt his claims were as strong as the other candidates.
The board, though, were anxious to pursue Hodgson and Liverpool will be his 16th job in a managerial career that has spanned almost 35 years.
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This is going to make it slightly harder to dislike them. Only slightly mind. I still think they'll finish about 7th again, especially if they lose Gerrard or Torres.
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More importantly did the Liverpool Echo break the twitter maximum character law?
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After over-achieving with Fulham, I'm not really surprised that he's got the gig.
It does though speak volumes for all that's gone wrong at Anfield: Liverpool are no longer a club that is going to attract the very top managers.
They are currently a club in decline and will be until Hicks and Gillett finally manage to sell up to some Arab back by sovereign wealth. They'll not finish back amongst the Top 4 next season.
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This is going to make it slightly harder to dislike them. Only slightly mind.
I now view Liverpool as a steaming pile of dog turd.....with some chocwut spwinkles on top.
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A bad move.
This will end in tears.
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I don't know about that.If Liverpool struggle it'll be because if the financial predicament that their chairmen have put them in.
They've offloaded a bloke who thought that Spanish talent could make up the bulk of the side and who thought Keane and Barry would be the final pieces in the puzzle, and in his place a man who can intelligently build a team.
I'd be interested to know what they've promised him in the way transfer funds.
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They needed a guy to do well with meagre resources. They now have that I think.
At least one of their top players will be off though and possibly both. It will be hard for him to compete. I think he's an overseer to keep them competitive and stable until they find a new owner.
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I suggest that Woy now looks at adding extra security for his house :)
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I suggest that Woy now looks at adding extra security for his house :)
Emile Heskey is a big lad. He'd look after the place and maybe play a few games for him.
Say, £6m? England centre forward and former Anfield hero you know...
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A steady hand to get them through the crap Gillette and Hicks have put them in. I give him a couple of years at best if a sale is done.
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What odds on Zamora playing for Liverpool? I'm also pretty sure Hangelaand will bo on the shopping list now. They need an imposing CB. Also wouldn't be surprised if Woy cashed in on Reina and bought in Schwarzer.
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If he does go suggests to me he might have heard that Capello will be staying on as England manager.
Shame, I like Hodgson, it will make it just a little harder to enjoy Liverpool's decline.
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What we can expect is Pool to break the all time "most scoreless draws in a season"-record. This guy doesn't care if his team scores or not, as long as they don't concede any
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good manager,
Liverpool are in better hands now,
which is unfortunate for us
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thats if he goes of coarse.
with the uncertainty of th England manager, he might stick around for that,or at least have something in his contract
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Hodgson is a likeable, intelligent, almost affable character and his record as a manager is excellent. I think that he will do well at Liverpool. Unfortunately.
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If I were him the first thing I would do in the job is off load Torres for as much as possible. He just doesn't look half the player he was and shows no signs of improvement.
I think Hodgson's appointment is as good as Liverpool could expect. They need stability and experience, he'll give them that but not much more hopefully.
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I fear a bit for Hodgson here; a nice guy and a good coach and I can't blame him for wanting one last crack with a really big club but the expectations will be ramped up a couple of notches and I hope he can cope.
On the downside for us, it could well scupper Sidwell's transfer to Fulham, as he was reportedly waiting on Hodgson's future to be confirmed first. :(
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sidwell to replace gerrard????
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I fear a bit for Hodgson here; a nice guy and a good coach and I can't blame him for wanting one last crack with a really big club but the expectations will be ramped up a couple of notches and I hope he can cope.
On the downside for us, it could well scupper Sidwell's transfer to Fulham, as he was reportedly waiting on Hodgson's future to be confirmed first. :(
It is easy to underestimate Hodgson. He's an intelligent manager who speaks 5 languages, has managed quite a few big clubs including Inter and Udinese as well as several Scandinavian clubs, usually with a great deal of success. Amazingly, he also took the Swiss national side to the last 16 of the '94 World Cup, so I think he probably copes with pressure quite well. I would have liked to see him at VP.
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I suppose he will go for Hangeland now..
Torres out ,Zamora in would be fantastic thou ;-))
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It is easy to underestimate Hodgson. He's an intelligent manager who speaks 5 languages, has managed quite a few big clubs including Inter and Udinese as well as several Scandinavian clubs, usually with a great deal of success. Amazingly, he also took the Swiss national side to the last 16 of the '94 World Cup, so I think he probably copes with pressure quite well. I would have liked to see him at VP.
I know all about his CV so I'm certainly not underestimating him. He's got a massive job on at Liverpool though and his first big test will be resolving the futures of Gerrard, Torres, Mascherano: for all his coaching ability, will Hodgson be a big enough name to satisfy those players that he's worth at Liverpool for? I wish him all the best because he's one of those guys you (well, I, at least) like to see succeed.
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This is the first time I dont wish him well. I hope they plummet out of the league. After they did, I would feel sympathy for him though.
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Most Liverpoop fans wanted a sexier name. What the fook does that mean?
Megan Fox managing the fooking team... ;-o
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Hodgson is a likeable, intelligent, almost affable character and his record as a manager is excellent. I think that he will do well at Liverpool. Unfortunately.
I agree. However, I still want to know his views on their best players: Towwes, Gewward, Maschewano, Cawwagher, Weina...
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I called this when I saw how much he was praising Liverpool as a club before their respective Europa League semi-finals, saying how much he'd love to face them, a big club with history, tradition blah blah blah.
Poor Fulham, he was lining himself up for the job before the three biggest matches in their club's history.
I'm going to cling to that when I want him to do poorly next season.
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Roy will have the usual "honeymoon period" but the foul stench that surrounds Liverpoo will take over again.
Hodgson seems like a good manager and man and certainly does not deserve that shit team/club.
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I could quite easily see Hodgson offloading a few of Rafa's flops, and raising a solid 50 mill for transfers. He'd probably spend that money wisely too. Torres may be offloaded too, which could fund 3 quality players alone. Wouldn't surprise me, if Woy did businss quickly, and put in a bid for Milner himself.
I'm a little worried to be honest, because I don't see us finishing above Liverpool again, and I also don't see us finishing above City or Spurs next season, as things stand.
Work to be done.
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Hodgson is a wiley old fox. He will do well there. He will probably get them back to basics and will build a better team spirit.
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What I liked about Hodgson with the World Cup coverage was Linker and all them BBC lot saying England will play a Diamond and old Roy said they wouldn't and everyone said he was wrong.
He was spot on.
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Alonso...so having replaced me with Lucas, they're now going to appoint Roy Hodgson as manager and replace Fernando with Zamora...
Puyol... and this was Stevie when he heard...*cue hysterics
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Wasn't one of the conditions of Sidwell moving to Fulham Hodgson would still be there?
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Wasn't one of the conditions of Sidwell moving to Fulham Hodgson would still be there?
So it was rumoured.
Shame. Maybe Woy will want him at Liverpool. Probably not, mind, as he's one of the few less effective midfielders than Lucas around.
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sidwell to replace gerrard????
straight swap?
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I like him and it makes them harder to dislike. Harder, not impossible. I think it could damage his reputation severely as the circumstances there are difficult to work with.
If I was him I'd possibly sell Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano and bring in a number of new players who could be cornerstones of the team.
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some cv and Manager of the Year. Be nice if our manager had a cv anything like :)
BUT is he a Liverpool manager. They are used to inspirational figures even the quiet ones came with a Liverpool heritage. He isn't one to grab the limelight and Liverpool's managers have to have that as part of their makeup. Wonder how he'll cope with Sir A
Is he a stop gap until the club is sold there to bring about the transition and sort out the mess the clubs in, I wonder. He'll do that but take them to the top of the Prem, unlikely, would even doubt they will make top 4.
If he does take the job it makes Capello's job more secure and O'Neills, unless he fancies Fulham to be nearer home
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If I was him I'd possibly sell Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano and bring in a number of new players who could be cornerstones of the team.
I think the selling will be done for him and he'll just have to get what he can with whatever he's allowed to spend of the incoming money.
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Oh well, guess that's open season on Roy Hodgson from the tabloids.
The annoying thing is that I think he'll steady a sinking ship.
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I wish the FA would nip in quick and sign him up. Anything to thwart the threat of Redknapp running the national team
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I wish the FA would nip in quick and sign him up. Anything to thwart the threat of Redknapp running the national team
Don't think it'll make any difference as I expect them to stick with Capello!
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Wasn't one of the conditions of Sidwell moving to Fulham Hodgson would still be there?
So it was rumoured.
Shame. Maybe Woy will want him at Liverpool. Probably not, mind, as he's one of the few less effective midfielders than Lucas around.
Well considering his best contribution of the season was as a ball boy, I some how don't see it. Saying that, if Hodgson was stupid enough to want him at Fulham..
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I wish the FA would nip in quick and sign him up. Anything to thwart the threat of Redknapp running the national team
Don't think it'll make any difference as I expect them to stick with Capello!
If its a straight choice between Fabio and Harry I sincerely hope they do stick rather than twist
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As a Villa fan, and someone who doesn't give a toss about England, I'm hoping the opposite, Spentforce.
Like or hate Harry, he's done a bloody good job at Spurs, it'd be great for us if he went for the England job.
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Good luck to Woy he'll need it.
It'll make things interesting maybe
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£5 million to £12 million to spend for Roy..
He better sell Torres to us then..
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I do wonder how their foreign stars will react to a having a more pragmatic English manager?
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I like Hodgson as a manager but I hope it goes spectacularly wrong for him on Merseyside.
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Danny Murphy first signing? ;-))
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Danny Murphy first signing? ;-))
They could do far worse to be fair though. I'd take Murphy over Lucas any day of the week. :)
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With the Liverpool job comes expectation. This wasn't the case at Fulham where avoiding the drop is the managerial requirement. Hodgson did this in some style which allowed the team to be more expressive as the pressure was never really there. That's is not meant to decry Hodgson's achievements but to put it in the perspective that managing without that pressure is somewhat easier. From the off, 4th spot will be the minimum requirement with a Liverpool squad possibly without Torres and Gerrard who could only take that squad to 7th last term. It's a big ask when you see what Man City are setting out to do, what Spurs are trying to maintain and what we to a lesser extent want to be part of too.
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With the Liverpool job comes expectation. This wasn't the case at Fulham where avoiding the drop is the managerial requirement. Hodgson did this in some style which allowed the team to be more expressive as the pressure was never really there. That's is not meant to decry Hodgson's achievements but to put it in the perspective that managing without that pressure is somewhat easier. From the off, 4th spot will be the minimum requirement with a Liverpool squad possibly without Torres and Gerrard who could only take that squad to 7th last term. It's a big ask when you see what Man City are setting out to do, what Spurs are trying to maintain and what we to a lesser extent want to be part of too.
It should be an interesting race for the top 4 next season!
I expect Liverpool to start well under Hodgson, as most clubs do with the lift a new man in charge brings, although whether they can maintain that will be the key for them. Spurs have to balance the CL campaign for the first time and it remains to be seen if they can attract the better class of player they will now what/need. Man City will be strong contenders again with all their money, whereas Man U don't seen to have anything to spend, so might be more vulnerable than usual. Chelsea also need new blood as they're an aging side. Arsenal are the only top 4 regular I'd be confident will be stronger than last season.
I can see it being quite open at the top in 2010/2011.
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Just seen Liverpool are back in training too-where is mon, when are we back in training and what is the new kit?
The silence around villa park is deafening
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Just seen Liverpool are back in training too-where is mon, when are we back in training and what is the new kit?
The silence around villa park is deafening
Don't they play in the Europa qualifying round before us? If so I'd expect them to be back before we are!
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and so it starts......
Roy Hodgson when joining Liverpoo - ""it's the biggest job in club football""
tsk...mis-guided fool.
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and so it starts......
Roy Hodgson when joining Liverpoo - ""it's the biggest job in club football""
tsk...mis-guided fool.
Saying it's a huge job is correct, trying to return that shambles of a club to former glories is a Herculean task. It doesn't mean it's the biggest club in football.
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and so it starts......
Roy Hodgson when joining Liverpoo - ""it's the biggest job in club football""
tsk...mis-guided fool.
Saying it's a huge job is correct, trying to return that shambles of a club to former glories is a Herculean task. It doesn't mean it's the biggest club in football.
Ahhh ! I assumed he meant it the other way. I stand corrected. :-)
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I like the way he got 'Englands most successful club' in there.
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I like the way he got 'Englands most successful club' in there.
Winding Fergie up already then.
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I thought he gave a sensible and very wise council during his first press interview, Liverpool fans won't understand what's going on. He avoided all the trick questions, I loved when asked about joining the biggest club in the world he tactfully mentioned he'd managed Milan and was still a close friend of their Chairman so it would be trite to say so, but Liverpool remained up there as as big a club, Nice one.
He also mentioned when asked if he expected to get first in the PL that he hopes he can, is glad Liverpool fans have such ambition but no sane manager would predict he'd guarantee it.
I'm glad I have as a Villa fan the same ambition and not just saying I'm happy with 6th because I know that's the best my current manager is likely to achieve.
I wish him luck but can't see it working while their ownership is in flux or even after .
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I do wonder how their foreign stars will react to a having a more pragmatic English manager?
Bit of myth that, John. Can you think of a single more pragmatic tactician in football history than Rafael Benitez?
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I like the way he got 'Englands most successful club' in there.
Winding Fergie up already then.
I can't think of a manager less susceptible to Fergie mindgames.
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Fergie doesn't seem to play the mind games with MON.
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Fergie doesn't seem to play the mind games with MON.
He hasn't needed to yet.
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Could be the bloke to put Redscouse back on the map..............
Would have preferred him take the England job
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Could be the bloke to put Redscouse back on the map..............
Would have preferred him take the England job
I really don't get the Hodgson thing. "Some CV" and "achievements". He managed Inter for a couple of years then flopped at Blackburn. He's won some Scandanavian championships and trophies. The guy has had 16 (sixteen) jobs in 30 years. Doesn't that tell you something?
A decent cup run with a mediocre side and he's the second coming.
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Could be the bloke to put Redscouse back on the map..............
Would have preferred him take the England job
I really don't get the Hodgson thing. "Some CV" and "achievements". He managed Inter for a couple of years then flopped at Blackburn. He's won some Scandanavian championships and trophies. The guy has had 16 (sixteen) jobs in 30 years. Doesn't that tell you something?
A decent cup run with a mediocre side and he's the second coming.
I really hope you've got it nailed with that assessment.
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Could be the bloke to put Redscouse back on the map..............
Would have preferred him take the England job
I really don't get the Hodgson thing. "Some CV" and "achievements". He managed Inter for a couple of years then flopped at Blackburn. He's won some Scandanavian championships and trophies. The guy has had 16 (sixteen) jobs in 30 years. Doesn't that tell you something?
A decent cup run with a mediocre side and he's the second coming.
He's a bit like Sir Graham in that he's rarely managed sides who were capable of competing at the top level. He seems to have been relatively successful in most of his jobs.
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I was listening to Talksport on the way home (I know, I know) and they were talking about this.
The presenters and the callers seemed to be missing the point that it isn't about what sort of manager Liverpool could or should be able to attract.
It is about what sort of manager Liverpool can attract as the Liverpool of 2010 with all the accompanying problems.
I think Hodgson is about as good a manager they could have hoped to attract (and I think he's a good manager) as things are today.
I don't even think MON would have gone there, which probably, if true, says more about Liverpool than it does about us.
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This is the first time I dont wish him well. I hope they plummet out of the league. After they did, I would feel sympathy for him though.
Drummond Like This (little thumb emoticon)
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Roy Hodgson is considering making a move for Aston Villa winger Ashley Young as he sets about improving the Liverpool squad following his appointment at Anfield last week.
Reports over the weekend suggest England international Young is among the former Fulham manager’s first targets in the transfer market after he admitted he wants to buy English players with UEFA’s new ‘homegrown’ rules coming into force from August.
Source: Premier League betting blog (http://betting.betfred.com/713/sport-betting-news/hodgson-lines-up-reds-deals/)
F**k off Roy!!!!
He obviously hasn't been at Liverpool quite long enough to realise they haven't got any money and so couldn't get anywhere neat the transfer required to buy Young off us.
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he fits ideally for Liverpools present situation. Whether he remains depends on how that situation resolves and of course his level of success.
Managing Milan was some job on any cv, for such a poorly rated man them and Liverpool on your cv is some achievement as is a Manager of the Year trophy.
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Managing Milan was some job on any cv, for such a poorly rated man them
He wasn't poorly rated at all. In Italy he was seem as an excellent manager after his Switzerland team wiped the floor with Italy the previous year.
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I do wonder how their foreign stars will react to a having a more pragmatic English manager?
Bit of myth that, John. Can you think of a single more pragmatic tactician in football history than Rafael Benitez?
I meant more in terms of man mangement than footballing style. I just can't see him playing up to some of the egos at Anfield.
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Could be the bloke to put Redscouse back on the map..............
Would have preferred him take the England job
I really don't get the Hodgson thing. "Some CV" and "achievements". He managed Inter for a couple of years then flopped at Blackburn. He's won some Scandanavian championships and trophies. The guy has had 16 (sixteen) jobs in 30 years. Doesn't that tell you something?
A decent cup run with a mediocre side and he's the second coming.
He's a bit like Sir Graham in that he's rarely managed sides who were capable of competing at the top level. He seems to have been relatively successful in most of his jobs.
You know, the exact same thing could be said for MON, yet Hodgson was often touted as a replacement by the same people who tend to belittle managing in Scotland and what he did with leicester.
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he fits ideally for Liverpools present situation. Whether he remains depends on how that situation resolves and of course his level of success.
Managing Milan was some job on any cv, for such a poorly rated man them and Liverpool on your cv is some achievement as is a Manager of the Year trophy.
As you keep referring to the Manager of the year award he won I'd like to point out George Burley has two.
I'm full of useless facts like that.
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he fits ideally for Liverpools present situation. Whether he remains depends on how that situation resolves and of course his level of success.
Managing Milan was some job on any cv, for such a poorly rated man them and Liverpool on your cv is some achievement as is a Manager of the Year trophy.
As you keep referring to the Manager of the year award he won I'd like to point out George Burley has two.
I'm full of useless facts like that.
Also he managed Inter, not Milan.
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Ash is exactly what Liverpool need, which is worrying.
His stock has fallen a bit too, so I don't imagine any of the bigger 3 or Citeh would want him at the moment, so Liverpool might see the chance to come calling.
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There's no way he'll go there. Take that to the bank.
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I can allay your worries by saying it is by common consent they have sod all to spend which is why the quality press link them with players like Danny Murphy who will do a good job but will cost little.
However, I don't doubt Uncle Woy is interested and if they sell one of Torres or Gerrard he'll follow up that interest.