Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: villajk on June 22, 2010, 11:00:42 AM
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2075631,00.html
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Seems to make sense.
Goto more away cup games than other season ticket holders get more priority.
Goto more home cup games than other season ticket holders get more priority.
Have held your ST for a long time? Get more priority than those that haven't.
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Seems to contradict itself within one paragraph
The removal of loyalty points as a measure of ticket allocation. Identifying 2010-11 season card holders who have followed Villa throughout previous rounds as well as rewarding those who have held consecutive season cards over recent seasons.
1) Were "loyalty points" ever used to determine ticket eligibility anyway ?
2) What's their definition of "recent" ?
To me, the "loyalty points" system, if used correctly, would have been the best way to allocate tickets
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The idea to give priority to season tickets holders who have held their seats for longer is bollocks.
It discriminates against children, people who had the misfortune to lose their jobs and had to give up a season ticket for a year or so and arguably those who served in the Armed Forces too. We should be encouraging new supporters not telling them they are not proper fans cos they have only been able to purchase a season ticket recently.
Judging by previous sales, all season ticket holders in the Cup scheme should be able to get tickets for just about any neutral venue game anyway, we only got 22,500 for Rapid Vienna / Cardiff including a decent number of away fans in each case.
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The idea to give priority to season tickets holders who have held their seats for longer is bollocks.
It discriminates against children, people who had the misfortune to lose their jobs and had to give up a season ticket for a year or so and arguably those who served in the Armed Forces too. We should be encouraging new supporters not telling them they are not proper fans cos they have only been able to purchase a season ticket recently.
Judging by previous sales, all season ticket holders in the Cup scheme should be able to get tickets for just about any neutral venue game anyway, we only got 22,500 for Rapid Vienna / Cardiff including a decent number of away fans in each case.
How is it telling them they're not proper fans?
When the allocation doesn't match the number of ST holders there are always going to be some who miss out, those who go to more games should get first dibs.
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I agree those who go to more games should get first dibs. Those who have been supporting the club longer shouldn't as it discriminates against new fans and children.
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I agree those who go to more games should get first dibs. Those who have been supporting the club longer shouldn't as it discriminates against new fans and children.
I still think a bloke who has been going for 40 years should take priority over a kid in his first season. It might sem hard on the nipper but if they show the same loyalty as the old timer has they'll be at the front on the queue in due course.
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Yes but some little nippers will get pissed off at watching a whole season of league action with their Mum / Dad only to be told that they can't go to the biggest game of the season cos they're too young and start supporting someone else or lose interest in football. We should be encouraging the next generation.
Anyway if you've been supporting us 40 years you've already seen us win everything bar the FA Cup which we will never win again.
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Yes but some little nippers will get pissed off at watching a whole season of league action with their Mum / Dad only to be told that they can't go to the biggest game of the season cos they're too young and start supporting someone else or lose interest in football. We should be encouraging the next generation.
Anyway if you've been supporting us 40 years you've already seen us win everything bar the FA Cup which we will never win again.
I understand the sentiment but in reality if they supported someone else then it would be one of the hyped up tv luvvy teams - they would then have even less chance of getting tickets for finals, big games etc
If they chose a lesser team then they would not have to bother as it would not happen probably in their lifetime
If they chose the Blose - well there is always Barnardo's ;o)
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The loyalty points thing was a mess of system. With, for example, points for European away games counting the same as League Cup matches.
I just hope they have a correct record of everyone's season ticket history though!
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Maybe they wouldn't support another team. However thinking back to when I first had a season ticket (1989/90) if I had watched the whole season then we had got to Wembley in either the FA Cup or the Zenith Data Mickey Mouse Cup and I was effectively too young to go I would have probably thought what's the point?
Anyway, unless we get to the UEFA Final we should have sufficient capacity anyway.
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I agree those who go to more games should get first dibs. Those who have been supporting the club longer shouldn't as it discriminates against new fans and children.
Sorry, but I think that such discrimination is exactly what should be done
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People missing out is not really going to be an issue. The League Cup final went to general sale and we didn't sell out for Chelsea if you really wanted a ticket for either you could have got one. I doubt season ticket holders would fill 12500 seats if the Europa final was abroad and the FA Cup final well...................
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Yes but some little nippers will get pissed off at watching a whole season of league action with their Mum / Dad only to be told that they can't go to the biggest game of the season cos they're too young and start supporting someone else or lose interest in football. We should be encouraging the next generation.
Anyway if you've been supporting us 40 years you've already seen us win everything bar the FA Cup which we will never win again.
So how do you suggest they do it? It's not saying that they won't get one but that priority is being given to those who have demonstrated loyalty over a number of years which seems to me about the fairest they can be.
In any case I suspect somebody who has had a ST for 40 years is far more likely to feel hard done by on not getting a ticket than some snot nosed kid in his first season.
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I agree those who go to more games should get first dibs. Those who have been supporting the club longer shouldn't as it discriminates against new fans and children.
Nonsense, if you've renewed your season ticket year after year you deserve to be rewarded when success, and or possible glamour, finally come knocking. Bring back the renewal discount!
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We didn`t sell out for the biggest game in our history.
Usually those deserving of a ticket get one and those keen enough will get one by "hook or by crook".
I think some are overestimating our support.
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Agree with the more games you get to the better your chance of a ticket for the later/bigger games. As for the season ticket business I agree with this also, even though it does not help me in the slightest. I'm in the Armed Forces and as such getting a season ticket will be pretty much a waste of money due to the fact that I will either spend at least a quarter of the season out of the country if not more (am currently in third month overseas now) or I am unable due to shift patterns and other duties to make every game. That said, I have rarely had an issue with getting tickets when I can make it and accept that there are some games where others have priority (League Cup Final just gone prime example as was home for it).
I think the system is fair and I look forward to being able to attend every game and being afforded the same privelege in return for my loyalty in the future.
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As Fulham sold all their allocation I doubt we would have any trouble selling 12,500 to go to a nearer Final when there is (hopefully) no ash cloud lurking.
It should go to season ticket holders. If demand outstrips availability then number of away games is the best way of deciding it. Children should be able to attend a Final with their parents if they have been all over the country watching the build-up games with them.
Doubt it will matter though as O'Neill will probaly play the reserves in Europe but that's a 1,000-page debate for another day.
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Can't believe you can argue the priority for those having held ST's for longer. I absolutely agree it's how it should work.
Kids should learn that loyalty is important and that their time will come.
Businesses the world over reward staff who have served longer with more holiday, better perks etc
Yes there will be the odd few who might have purchased if they could have, Armed Forces, Unemployed etc but the club seem pretty good at sorting out the deserving few with legitimate tales of woe if they ask.
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It should go to ST holders first. If the kids aint got a ST, then tough shit.