Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Villa'Zawg on May 19, 2010, 12:56:00 PM
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Aston Villa
Ancient Villans who ruled Europe
(http://www.fifa.com/mm/photo/worldfootball/clubfootball/01/21/37/68/1213768%5fsmall.jpg)
The Football League was the brainchild of William McGregor the pioneer. It was one William McGregor the fan would exult 22 years after its 1888 inception. For the club at which he directed and followed religiously had, by then, won the English top flight a record six times.
It would take 71 years for Aston Villa to recapture the First Division crown, but that unforeseen conquest proved the gateway to their zenith: an against-all-odds defeat of Bayern Munich in the European Cup final. FIFA.com delivers the tale of the oldest existing club in the world’s oldest league...
Fifa.com - Classic Football - Aston Villa - Clicky (http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/clubs/club=33162/)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_F.C.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notts_County_F.C.
Sheffield FC world's oldest association football club.
Notts County worlds oldest professional football club.
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Yes, I was going to say that we can't claim to be the oldest existing club in the league - that's surely Notts County.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_F.C.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notts_County_F.C.
Sheffield FC world's oldest association football club.
Notts County worlds oldest professional football club.
"Villa became the first club to adopt the now-popular claret-and-blue jerseys before the turn of the 20th century..."
I can see why you're trying to undermine the Official FIFA version of events :-)
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It's FIFA - I'd be more surprised is they got it right!
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And Reading were founded before Villa
Although Villa v Albion must be the oldest local derby in the world
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"Villa became the first club to adopt the now-popular claret-and-blue jerseys before the turn of the 20th century..."
I can see why you're trying to undermine the Official FIFA version of events :-)
It seems to be a unique thing to Villa fans to bemoan the fact that another club wears the same kit as them (and seemingly gets recognised more than they do), considering the number of clubs up and down the league that wear near identical strips (Sunderland, Sheff Utd and Southampton spring to mind).
It doesn't matter a bit to me who had the kit first, we've worn it for over 100 years now.
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As you read down, it says we won the FA cp against Wess Brommich in 1987??
Ah good, so the myth that was Bingo McBungle is just a nightmare then
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It doesn't matter a bit to me who had the kit first, .
Bet you wouldn't be saying that if you were the first to wear the great colours......
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"Villa became the first club to adopt the now-popular claret-and-blue jerseys before the turn of the 20th century..."
I can see why you're trying to undermine the Official FIFA version of events :-)
It seems to be a unique thing to Villa fans to bemoan the fact that another club wears the same kit as them (and seemingly gets recognised more than they do), considering the number of clubs up and down the league that wear near identical strips (Sunderland, Sheff Utd and Southampton spring to mind).
It doesn't matter a bit to me who had the kit first, we've worn it for over 100 years now.
Cheeky sod. As if Burnley get more recognition than us.
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It doesn't matter a bit to me who had the kit first, we've worn it for over 100 years now.
It's about time you returned it isn't it?
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West Ham in their Famous Claret & Blue
Villa in the familiar Claret & Blue
If the press got this more accurate, we would have less to gripe about.
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We were also founded in 1874 and we're not the oldest club in the top flight, Stoke are.
As for whose the most famous of claret and blue- its beyond doubt. Johnny Foreigner, even on a remote strip of sand in the middle of an archipelago, surrounded by thousands of miles of Indian Ocean could spot a Villa shirt.
West Ham “the famous Claret and Blue” peh-lease.
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It seems to be a unique thing to Villa fans to bemoan the fact that another club wears the same kit as them (and seemingly gets recognised more than they do), considering the number of clubs up and down the league that wear near identical strips (Sunderland, Sheff Utd and Southampton spring to mind).
Ah, that's where the error is.
It isn't just a "kit". It is claret and blue and therefore more gravitas is involved.
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We were also founded in 1874 and we're not the oldest club in the top flight, Stoke are.
It's a Villadawg post, you weren't expecting accurate facts and figures were you?! ;P
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The problem with the kit stealers like Burnley and West Ham is the quality of shirt they wear.
Now while I’m no lover of sportswear, with few exceptions, our shirts have always had a majestic aplomb, worthy of the elegance of our colours.
Burnley did well in their homage this season, while West Ham’s was sadly as tacky and cheap looking as their owners.
So if you’re going to pay us homage, at least get your manufactures to develop something worthy of the famous Villa colours.
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The problem with the kit stealers like Burnley and West Ham is the quality of shirt they wear.
Now while I’m no lover of sportswear, with few exceptions, our shirts have always had a majestic aplomb, worthy of the elegance of our colours.
Burnley did well in their homage this season, while West Ham’s was sadly as tacky and cheap looking as their owners.
So if you’re going to pay us homage, at least get your manufactures to develop something worthy of the famous Villa colours.
(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/birmmail/apr2008/2/3/7F988F1E-D3D8-A3CF-2665D384D13DB67E.jpg)
*scratches beard*
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Exactly, that, the plain one and the 2000 one are the exceptions I had in mind.
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Yeah, you lot had some truely appalling kits in the 1990's. Particularly the away ones.
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00831/23-06-2009---16_40-_831190a.jpg)
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Meh, they can do what they like with the away ones.
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This was my favourite one of ours. You are right about quality of shirts these days though, particularly as costs continue to go up.
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/PaoloDiCanio_468x521.jpg)
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Your Pony ones were shocking, but then I suppose the name said it all. You’re right about the price though. £45 for ours and though they have all looked very nice since we went to Nike, they’re all near enough the same.
Not for me. Sportswear is for kids and fat blokes.
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At least West Ham used to give people a clue as to which team they'd ripped off:
(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2066/39435903frankie203.jpg)
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At least West Ham used to give people a clue as to which team they'd ripped off:
(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2066/39435903frankie203.jpg)
Nice photo of a former Villa player there.
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One of our greats, no doubt Chico. What was it, two or three games?!
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Bring back players who look like Alan Devonshire
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44427000/jpg/_44427391_devonshire203.jpg)
They make any kit look good.
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One of our greats, no doubt Chico. What was it, two or three games?!
not sure. Was it before or after he got done for trying to import a ferry-load of ecstasy pills in from Holland?
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A legend was old Dev. We could certainly do with him in his pomp in our side now.
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Yeah, you lot had some truely appalling kits in the 1990's. Particularly the away ones.
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00831/23-06-2009---16_40-_831190a.jpg)
the first Villa shirt I ever received! Christmas 1993
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Whilst our and Burnley's kits have always been listed as claret and blue, I remember a time when West Ham's was referred to as maroon and blue.
I'm not sure what the background is behind this, maybe Sendo or somebody on KUMB knows the story but it was certainly listed in the 70's as maroon.
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Perhaps it means oldest top division club starting with 'A'?
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Whilst our and Burnley's kits have always been listed as claret and blue, I remember a time when West Ham's was referred to as maroon and blue.
I'm not sure what the background is behind this, maybe Sendo or somebody on KUMB knows the story but it was certainly listed in the 70's as maroon.
Pretty sure I remember an episode of Till Death Do Us Part where Garnett referred to West Ham as 'claret and blue' that would be pre-70s.
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Arsenal also adopted our magnificent colours for a season during the late 1800's-early 1900's era.
Quite a few London clubs have paid homage/sought help from Villa on their journeys to establishment, so Sendo can rest easy. Even Spurs, when a non-league team, asked Villa to help them out with a friendly match, proceeds helping them to kick on in their progression too. (Unlike other clubs, who had at least some degree of good taste, Spurs took inspiration for their club colours from Preston NE.)
Although some of the facts are slightly out of kilter, the spirit of this FIFA article is spot on - Villa are quite clearly the greatest club in world football.
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Whilst our and Burnley's kits have always been listed as claret and blue, I remember a time when West Ham's was referred to as maroon and blue.
I'm not sure what the background is behind this, maybe Sendo or somebody on KUMB knows the story but it was certainly listed in the 70's as maroon.
Pretty sure I remember an episode of Till Death Do Us Part where Garnett referred to West Ham as 'claret and blue' that would be pre-70s.
In Johnny Speight's The Thoughts of Chairman Alf, on Henry VIII - "HE named the ground after his favourite wife of the time, and West Ham play in claret and blue because Henry's favourite wine was claret and blue is for the blue blood of royalty".
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Whilst our and Burnley's kits have always been listed as claret and blue.
Apart from the chocolate and blue strip. Or the green one. Or the 'piebald' one. Or the black one. Etc etc:
http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/Aston_Villa.htm
(http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/images/aston-villa-1885.gif)
(http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/images/aston-villa-1884-feb.gif)
(http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/images/aston-villa-1878-1879.gif)
(http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/images/aston-villa-1877-1878.gif)
(http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/images/aston-villa-1886-1887.gif)
(http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/images/aston-villa-1885c-1886.gif)
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The team's first colours were described as "scarlet and royal blue stripes" (ie hoops - vertical stripes did not appear until the 1880s). The following season they wore black and white tops and in 1878 they purchased a set of black shirts emblazoned with the Scottish lion rampant. William McGregor actually went to Scotland to purchase the lion motifs and they were subsequently sewn on by the sister of the club secretary (ref: The Aston Villa Chronicles). The following season jerseys replaced the original shirts and it appears that the lion motif was removed after problems with the laundry. For their game against Heart of Midlothian on New Years' Day 1881, Villa wore navy and white hooped jerseys and there is evidence that these colours were worn at least until April 1883.
A contemporary press report submitted by Lee Gauntlett, states that Villa changed in November 1886 to blue and chocolate vertical stripes from the old piebald strip. John Lerwill's research suggests that vertically striped in black and white were worn from at least May 1886 (and probably considerably earlier) while Bernard Gallagher has uncovered evidence that the piebald shirts were white with red spots and perhaps worn before the striped tops appeared. Given the scarcity of original references it is hard to be certain so the graphics presented above are to a degree, provisional.
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Aren't we something like the 6th oldest club? Professional wise? I think even Wrexham are older than us. Not sure why that's an 'even', mind.
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Older clubs than us (league only)...
Notts County (1862, as Nottingham)
Stoke City (1863, or possibly 1868, as Stoke Ramblers)
Nottingham Forest (1865)
Sheffield Wednesday (1867, as The Wednesday)
Chesterfield (1867)
Rotherham United (1870, as Thornhill)
Reading (1871)
Bolton Wanderers (1874, as Christ Church - possibly before us)
Macclesfield Town (1874, as Macclesfield - possibly before us)
Was most surprised to find Reading were older than us when we played them as I had assumed the Southern clubs all came about much later.
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Don't forget about us guys (Stoke) 150 years old very soon I hope we have great things planned.
I do hope we do something to commemorate with the other existing founder members.
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Looking at this thread and thinking about 150 year old football clubs, the great history of some of our clubs, the massive history of the football league, just makes it all the more depressing to see the financial freakshow the game has become nowadays.
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Reading were only an amateur side then as were all I guess. But the Southern lot didn't join the ranks of the professional leagues until something like 1902.
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Older clubs than us (league only)...
Notts County (1862, as Nottingham)
Stoke City (1863, or possibly 1868, as Stoke Ramblers)
Nottingham Forest (1865)
Sheffield Wednesday (1867, as The Wednesday)
Chesterfield (1867)
Rotherham United (1870, as Thornhill)
Reading (1871)
Bolton Wanderers (1874, as Christ Church - possibly before us)
Macclesfield Town (1874, as Macclesfield - possibly before us)
Was most surprised to find Reading were older than us when we played them as I had assumed the Southern clubs all came about much later.
So does that mean that there were 3 professional teams in 1865 and 2 were from Nottingham?
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We could never compete with the suave sophisticated London elite though could we?
(http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/westhamACHASEPA_415x324.jpg)
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And again minutes later as they announced the Poundland January sale.
(http://singula.org/offsideflag/images/stories/OFS_WHam-Millwall_09_250809.jpg)
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And of course one thing West Ham keep quiet about is that they invented ballet too.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gordonfarquhar/west_ham_fan_pa.jpg)
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I was amazed when it kicked off between West Ham and Millwall
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So were the plod.
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I was amazed when it kicked off between West Ham and Millwall
Blame the referee for blowing his whistle.
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Reading were only an amateur side then as were all I guess. But the Southern lot didn't join the ranks of the professional leagues until something like 1902.
That doesn't make them any less of a football club, not that you were getting at that of course.
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Even if we can't claim to be the oldest club, I'm still proud to be a Villan, a fan of a club that was established in 1874 and that since then has always (or almost) been in the aristocracy of English football.
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Next season is our 100th in the top flight. Only Everton have more.
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Perhaps Fifa subscribe to the revisionist Murdoch view of the Premier League as the only proper league in England these days so have discounted the likes of Notts County, Forest etc. As for Stoke, they haven't been continuous members of the league (and I mean the original, established 1888 one as well as the Prem) so maybe that's counted against them. Or Fifa have just cobbled together some tosh and thought no-one would notice!
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I still love the fact that our 1874 beats their 1875.
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Unless we were founded in 1875 too.
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Aston Villa
Ancient Villans who ruled Europe
City: Birmingham
Founded: March 1884
Whoops.
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Unless we were founded in 1875 too.
Which was when we had our first game.
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Wasn't it in 1874 v Aston Brook St. Mary's?