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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Claret trim on October 16, 2009, 07:14:18 AM
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Apologies to Mods if this doesn't deserve a thread of its own.
Old habits and all that (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/oct/15/england-fabio-capello-world-cup):
The man of the match award ought to have gone to Gareth Barry rather than the 34-year-old substitute, since the Aston Villa player was not just composed but also incisive. Even so, Beckham effortlessly showed an accomplishment beyond the reach of many younger players. There will be exasperation that he cannot be overlooked even in his dotage.
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I still maintain he'll be back at the Villa if not next summer then the summer after.
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I still maintain he'll be back at the Villa if not next summer then the summer after.
You're crazy.
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I still maintain he'll be back at the Villa if not next summer then the summer after.
Wouldn't want him.
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If Man City do well and get into the champions League then they can attract the top players with their money. Barry will be dropped like a stone and we'll probably pick him up for £4m - £5m.
I'd certainly have him back.
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too old by then. Never go back.
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The commentary on the FA website highlights called Barry a villa player as well.
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too old by then. Never go back.
Next summer he'll be 29 ? Hardly too old.
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If Man City do well and get into the champions League then they can attract the top players with their money. Barry will be dropped like a stone and we'll probably pick him up for £4m - £5m.
I'd certainly have him back.
I would hope that by then, we'll have a top quality midfield of our own, which Barry might struggle to get into (if Delph develops, we might be half way there). Mind you, I'm not yet convinced that Man City are just going to stroll into the CL. For a start Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal are going to be very hard to shift. On top of that I still think ourselves, Everton and Spurs are going to have something to say about it too. I certainly think we're capable of growing out of Barry in the next few years...
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i'd still have JPA back though
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i'd still have JPA back though
Is this a joke?
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i'd still have JPA back though
Is this a joke?
still better than H + H in my view
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Kevin McCarra must have had a bang on the head if he thinks Barry was man of the match.
The game was so lacking in quality that when a player of absolute quality came on (Beckham) he stood out like a ray of light. I can understand why he was awarded man of the match but he didn't exactly have to move mountains to get it.
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too old by then. Never go back.
I'm hapy both Andy Gray and Gordon Cowans, especially did.
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Kevin McCarra must have had a bang on the head if he thinks Barry was man of the match..
or like many others who have commented similarly he knows his football and isn't tainted by any bias concerning Barry.
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too old by then. Never go back.
I'm hapy both Andy Gray and Gordon Cowans, especially did.
Cowans i'll give you but Gray?! Embarassing 2nd time round.
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too old by then. Never go back.
I'm hapy both Andy Gray and Gordon Cowans, especially did.
EH?
Andy Gray???
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too old by then. Never go back.
Next summer he'll be 29 ? Hardly too old.
Blues can have him for £40m...........
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Kevin McCarra must have had a bang on the head if he thinks Barry was man of the match..
or like many others who have commented similarly he knows his football and isn't tainted by any bias concerning Barry.
Look here Mrs Overall. When Barry pulls on an England shirt in competitive football, I'll support him. He didn't play well. That's based on my opinion that he didnt play well and nothing to do with Villa matters.
Beckham came on because the midfield were struggling after all.
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can we all stop obsessing about this man city midfielder now please....
have our own team to concentrate on
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I've got to be honest, I thought Barry was easily MOM on wednesday. He was the only player on the pitch trying to play incisive forward balls, 2 of which lead to 2 of our goals. Potato-Head giving Beckham MOM was embarassing, you could tell that even the ITV commentators thought so too, and they were joking about it on SSN the following day.
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There are a lot of comments I agree with, though I'm against any thoughts of GB returning. Also I'm sorry to say that the comebacks of Andy Gray and Gordon Cowans were not a success. I don't think he'll be too old but as gregnash says "never go back".
I have to say I agree with most of what cb says in that hopefully we'll have a very strong midfield of our own soon making GB surplus to requirements and Man City's entry into the CL is far from a formality.
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There are a lot of comments I agree with, though I'm against any thoughts of GB returning. Also I'm sorry to say that the comebacks of Andy Gray and Gordon Cowans were not a success. I don't think he'll be too old but as gregnash says "never go back".
I have to say I agree with most of what cb says in that hopefully we'll have a very strong midfield of our own soon making GB surplus to requirements and Man City's entry into the CL is far from a formality.
Cowans comeback was fantastic
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There are a lot of comments I agree with, though I'm against any thoughts of GB returning. Also I'm sorry to say that the comebacks of Andy Gray and Gordon Cowans were not a success. I don't think he'll be too old but as gregnash says "never go back".
I have to say I agree with most of what cb says in that hopefully we'll have a very strong midfield of our own soon making GB surplus to requirements and Man City's entry into the CL is far from a formality.
How can you say that Cowans' comeback wasn't a success?
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*expresses hmmph of surprise at thread not being locked yet*
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Anybody who thinks Andy Gray's second spell at Villa was a success has been huffing some mighty chemicals.
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If we're in a position to need him I'd take him back. His style of play isn't the type that exactly requires youthful vigour, is it? And if we need that type of player and he's available, what else could we do? He'll still be good at 34, in my opinion.
However if, as I'd hope, Delph matures and we sign someone else as the higher-up-the-field playmaker that we never had, then obviously we shouldn't sign him back. I don't agree with bollocks cliches like "never go back" - it's all about the interests of the team, and nothing else.
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I reckon we'll have had the best from Barry. I wouldn't go back, I'd just get somebody better.
And Delph may well be in the future.
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I reckon we'll have had the best from Barry. I wouldn't go back, I'd just get somebody better.
And Delph may well be in the future.
That's my belief: that Delph is Barry's replacement in that holding/pivot role in the future. I reckon he could be better at it than Barry ever was, he's got more energy, more talent, and more bite in the tackle. All he needs to do is bulk up, yes a significant amount, but we have the staff to do that I'd say: just look at Gabby! I can envisage a future midfield three of Delph (playing where Petrov plays now), Milner (playing where Sidwell is now when Downing's fit) and a more attacking playmaker type, who we obviously haven't signed yet. In that scenario, there is no room or need for Barry.
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I'd say it was between Barry and Crouch.
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Kevin McCarra must have had a bang on the head if he thinks Barry was man of the match..
or like many others who have commented similarly he knows his football and isn't tainted by any bias concerning Barry.
Look here Mrs Overall. When Barry pulls on an England shirt in competitive football, I'll support him. He didn't play well. That's based on my opinion that he didnt play well and nothing to do with Villa matters.
Beckham came on because the midfield were struggling after all.
So you accept that your view could be seen to be biased against Barry then ?
As to Beckham I thought his introduction was more down to Lennon's lack of anything, SWP not being much better, Lampards ineffective runs, of course unless you are suggesting Barry's performance was to blame.
Still it is your opinion and like McCarra I disagree.
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Wasn't Andy Gray black in in second spell? otherwise I don't remember it.
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Andy Gray played for us in that awful Henson kit period. 85-86? or 86-87?
As for Barry, I thought he was okay for England. Thought Beckham did give us some spark also when he came on.
MoM should have gone to Crouch though.
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Kevin McCarra must have had a bang on the head if he thinks Barry was man of the match..
or like many others who have commented similarly he knows his football and isn't tainted by any bias concerning Barry.
doesn't know barry's left the villa though.
i thought barry had a very poor game.
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Kevin McCarra must have had a bang on the head if he thinks Barry was man of the match..
or like many others who have commented similarly he knows his football and isn't tainted by any bias concerning Barry.
doesn't know barry's left the villa though.
i thought barry had a very poor game.
I agree, he was very static.
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Thought Barry had a very good game myself. His passing was very incisive at times.
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Couldn't find THE Barry Thread and anyway have a suspicion some spoilsport locked it, so this one will have to do.
The Times have an interesting stat today:
"Given their huge spending, Manchester City have underperformed this season despite generally good results and Gareth Barry has yet to settle after his summer move from Aston Villa. His error in losing the ball in his own half in the build up to Burnley's second goal typified a poor season.
Barry in league: Misplaced passes in own half per 90 minutes
Last season for Aston Villa: 1.76
This season for Man City: 2.28
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If Man City do well and get into the champions League then they can attract the top players with their money. Barry will be dropped like a stone and we'll probably pick him up for £4m - £5m.
I'd certainly have him back.
I wouldn't best days, like his arse, are behind him.
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Yes, did you see him trying to track back we he lost the ball? It was painful to watch.
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I'd forgotten just how slow Barry is, his arse really holds him back. Several times in this world cup he has given the ball away and just not been able to catch or even keep up with the opposing player.
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Barry was way out of his depth yesterday. His lack of mobility was exposed in horrendous fashion. He's nowhere near good enough to shield a back four at that level.
Couple this with the very ordinary season he had for Citeh, then it looks like we did a bit of a Fergie and sold at the right time.
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I'd still take him back at £4m!
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I'd still take him back at £4m!
No thanks. And as he's on about £125k p/w I'd be disgusted if we paid somebody slower than a coastline that much to leave our defence in peril.
We had the best of him, I'm happy for him to help block Man Citys dressing room up now.
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If Barry is for sale for £4million I will seriously eat my own hand.
We sold him with one year left on his contract for £12million and he currently has 3 years left on a massive contract.
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God No!
No pace, no mobility, no acceleration.
Brazil and Argentina are showing how to play the game, passing with pace, closeing down high up the field, play at pace in the game....Barry can't do that, his time has gone.
Rather buy an Annan, or Bradley, up and coming players.Plus Delph will be a lot better anyway.
And to say he played well yday is just plain ridiculous, granted they were all shit, but apart fronm Gerrard i thought they were all a 4 tbh.
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Can't see him getting many games at city with their potential new signings and he's probably not going to hold onto his England place as capello has said he will bring younger players in now.
If Barry were to leave city I can't imagine they would get more than maybe £6m for him and I personally don't think he's worth that as he is one paced and too old- however i would say £4m he would be worth a punt as he is versatile and could do a job for us .
He might sit it out in their reserves and take the cash though .
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too old by then. Never go back.
I'm happy Andy Gray did.
Which time? The second time he fucked us off or the third time he fucked us off?
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He has got shitter since he went to Citeh. No thanks.
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If Man City do well and get into the champions League then they can attract the top players with their money. Barry will be dropped like a stone and we'll probably pick him up for £4m - £5m.
I'd certainly have him back.
I wouldn't best days, like his arse, are behind him.
I agree now but at the time when I made the quote (last October) I would have. His World Cup performances have made me realise we can do better.
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I'd only have Barry back if we paid nothing for him.
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I've forgotten about that fat arsed one paced sod ever playing for us.
When I saw this thread I thought it was about Bannan getting a new contract.
He played for us for a long time and I was reading an old thread a while back and he came up in it. In O'Leary's last season he was 24 years old and one of our best players. If he was surrounded with a better team then like he was before he left things could have been so different.