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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2026, 03:56:25 PM
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Given that the Athletic, Tanswell, Ornstein, now Townley are talking about this now may as well discuss it here.
Aston Villa discussing deal to sign Alejandro Garnacho from Chelsea. Talks for 22yo winger loan + conditional buy obligation. Unai Emery driving #AVFC move - wanted Argentine before #CFC & now. Unrelated to Rogers transfer. W/ @J_Tanswell @TheAthleticFC
https://xcancel.com/david_ornstein/status/2079577615204000019?s=46
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Doesn't seem close enough to warrant a thread yet to me. Other clubs interested and no suggestion of player agreement.
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Ahh I see what you're doing! ;)
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The Athletic;
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7438873/2026/07/21/aston-villa-alejandro-garnacho-transfer/ (https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7438873/2026/07/21/aston-villa-alejandro-garnacho-transfer/)
"...initial season-long loan with a conditional obligation to buy, but the details remain moveable..."
"Unai Emery is a big admirer of Garnacho, 22, having shown interest in the winger last summer before he joined Chelsea..."
"He admitted in April that he done a bad murder did “some bad things” towards the end of his stay with United, and that the manner of his exit was painful..."
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Doesn't seem close enough to warrant a thread yet to me. Other clubs interested and no suggestion of player agreement.
It’s a discussion thread because it’s being discussed now at an advanced stage. That’s all.
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I’m fully onboard with TV triggering a thread for this one.
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Garnacho is undeniably talented - but seems to be poison.
If Emi Martinez is staying, maybe he and the other Emi can take him under their wings and keep him under control.
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Doesn't seem close enough to warrant a thread yet to me. Other clubs interested and no suggestion of player agreement.
It’s a discussion thread because it’s being reporter now at an advanced stage by reputable football journalists. No different to Manzambi or Gomes. That’s all.
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I’m fully onboard with TV triggering a thread for this one.
Be careful what you ask for given 95% of what I’ve started actually happen
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Doesn't seem close enough to warrant a thread yet to me. Other clubs interested and no suggestion of player agreement.
It’s a discussion thread because it’s being discussed now at an advanced stage. That’s all.
I know, but personal opinion is that the forum gets too cluttered if we have lots of these threads set up and I prefer to keep discussion to the actual transfer discussion thread unless a signing is imminent or, better still, confirmed.
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“Conditional buy obligation” shudder. Also I can’t escape the view that for all his talent that’s two clubs now who are happy to see him out the door. Now it is Manure and Chelsea, so perhaps it’s on them. But I really don’t want us to be saddled with someone who’s contributing nothing, who also has a bad attitude.
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I know, but personal opinion is that the forum gets too cluttered if we have lots of these threads set up and I prefer to keep discussion to the actual transfer discussion thread unless a signing is imminent or, better still, confirmed.
*Checks to see if CD is secretly Footy in a wig and sombrero*
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I’m not against the idea. Unai got Sancho playing fairly well, I’m sure he could get more out of the advertising board sitter.
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Fucking hell, Emery has proved so far to be a genius, but Garnacho......!!!!
We knew Sancho was going to be a waste of time, and he largely was. Match that and add potential dressing room upset with this one.
I'd sooner us by obligated to pay over £40m for nachos.
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Which other clubs are in for him?
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I hope we've understood 'conditional obligation' more than we did with Eliott.
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Which other clubs are in for him?
Roma..were.
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Jacob Tanswell
#AVFC in advanced talks to sign Alejandro Garnacho from Chelsea. Initial loan with conditional obligation. Move driven by Unai Emery, who wanted 22yo last summer. AS Roma explored signing but Villa believe, through Emery, they have convinced Garnacho to join.
https://xcancel.com/j_tanswell/status/2079579743951765799?s=46
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Fuck me, this is desperate stuff. I'd rather have Sancho back.
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Bit worried that UEFA will do somersaults to make sure this one bites us on the Rogers valuation.
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He’s pacey. I’m trying to think of positives
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Bit worried that UEFA will do somersaults to make sure this one bites us on the Rogers valuation.
There are clear rules on it re: the conditions of the loan. They have to be difficult to meet for it to be considered a loan rather than a permanent transfer.
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Which other clubs are in for him?
Walsall
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The ugly fucker brings down the looks of our team several notches.
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Bit worried that UEFA will do somersaults to make sure this one bites us on the Rogers valuation.
There are clear rules on it re: the conditions of the loan. They have to be difficult to meet for it to be considered a loan rather than a permanent transfer.
Does this make some sort of Harvey Elliot-style clusterfuck more likely?
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He’s pacey. I’m trying to think of positives
Dogtanian will possibly approve his hair..erm..
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Gonna get the Rashford/Lindelof/Sancho post that he'll probably do well in early. It won't stop mass shitting of the bed, but worth a try.
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Well, this isn't exactly filling me with the true spirit of Christmas. Ah well. Hope I'm wrong.
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Bit worried that UEFA will do somersaults to make sure this one bites us on the Rogers valuation.
There are clear rules on it re: the conditions of the loan. They have to be difficult to meet for it to be considered a loan rather than a permanent transfer.
Does this make some sort of Harvey Elliot-style clusterfuck more likely?
Less. He’d have more games to play to make it permanent.
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I do not like this one little bit.
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Well, this isn't exactly filling me with the true spirit of Christmas. Ah well. Hope I'm wrong.
He’s a very talented player. It’s all the other stuff I’m concerned about. I suppose being Argentinian and having the Emi’s on board might help.
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He’s pacey. I’m trying to think of positives
Dogtanian will possibly approve his hair..erm..
But does he wash his arse in the shower? We need to know
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I will go against the grain and say I think this will be an excellent addition.
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He’s pacey. I’m trying to think of positives
Dogtanian will possibly approve his hair..erm..
This I cannot do. :(
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I'm fine with it.
The presence of the thread and the potential signing.
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Sancho was crap, Garny has the potential be a big asset, or just a big asshole.
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He’s pacey. I’m trying to think of positives
Dogtanian will possibly approve his hair..erm..
But does he wash his arse in the shower? We need to know
;D I shall leave that to the judgement of his new team mates!
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Bit worried that UEFA will do somersaults to make sure this one bites us on the Rogers valuation.
There are clear rules on it re: the conditions of the loan. They have to be difficult to meet for it to be considered a loan rather than a permanent transfer.
Does this make some sort of Harvey Elliot-style clusterfuck more likely?
Less. He’d have more games to play to make it permanent.
Ta.
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In terms of talent Sancho isn’t remotely close to being what Garnacho is. Or could be. He just needs to improve his attitude and behaviour. The off the field social media bollocks too. Settle down and be a great footballer.
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Apparently Unai want's this one personally and that is good enough for me.
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Really? I thought J-Dawg was the most talented in his age group. It's his shite application that the problem is.
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Fuck me, this is desperate stuff. I'd rather have Sancho back.
Hmmmmmm
Shit on toast or a shit sandwich ?
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I have to say, he wouldn't be my choice. However, I've never really understood why he always gets booked by opposition supporters.
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Doesn't seem close enough to warrant a thread yet to me. Other clubs interested and no suggestion of player agreement.
It’s a discussion thread because it’s being discussed now at an advanced stage. That’s all.
I know, but personal opinion is that the forum gets too cluttered if we have lots of these threads set up and I prefer to keep discussion to the actual transfer discussion thread unless a signing is imminent or, better still, confirmed.
Perhaps we need another thread. “The should we start a new thread, thread” so that actual threads don’t get bogged down in discussions about whether we should start a new thread.
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I honestly wouldn't mind a flyer on Garnacho. He's talented enough and one good season could see us sell him for a decent fee.
One other thing that should be mentioned is that the list of managers he's had to work under is absolutely pathetic. I think Unai could certainly help him mature and improve. Calum McFarlane, Liam Rosenior, Enzo Maresca, Ruben Amorim, Ruud van Nistlerooy, ETH, Mark Dempsey.. shudders. Too many frauds for a young player to go through so quickly.
Depending on the financials, it may not be that bad of a shout.
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Bailey replacement?
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I think the issue is that Unai thinks he can get him playing to a good standard- however he thought the same of Sancho - the signing will happen let’s hope Unai works his magic
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𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐓: Last season for Chelsea, Alejandro Garnacho played some part in 43 games in all competitions.
In the games he started, Chelsea's win percentage was 72.7% (22 starts) while in the games he didn't start (21 times), their win percentage dropped to 23.8%.
Courtesy of Villa Statto on X.
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As long as this isn't the marquee wide player signing then I don't mind it too much.
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Apparently Unai want's this one personally and that is good enough for me.
Same here.
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As long as this isn't the marquee wide player signing then I don't mind it too much.
It sounds like we are still looking at Mbaye and others.
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Sky news reporting Villa are in talks now, loan and a £42m option to buy.
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As someone who doesn’t read tabloids or football gossip, where do all the “disruptive” stories come from?
Are these things openly discussed in reliable media?
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If this goes through as expected I hope he’s worth $42M by the end of it.
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He fell out with the Man U fans and gave them some back, I think.
I read there was a video of him being verbally abused while signing autographs for them, too?
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Garnacho is undeniably talented - but seems to be poison.
If Emi Martinez is staying, maybe he and the other Emi can take him under their wings and keep him under control.
Apparently Jhon Dhuran was an a hole, but Unai has been the only manager so far to get the best out of him.
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Emery likes a testing project, I'll give him that.
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𝐒𝐓𝐀𝐓: Last season for Chelsea, Alejandro Garnacho played some part in 43 games in all competitions.
In the games he started, Chelsea's win percentage was 72.7% (22 starts) while in the games he didn't start (21 times), their win percentage dropped to 23.8%.
Courtesy of Villa Statto on X.
Fucking hell, he's Boubacar Kamara! Get him in!
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Lots of understandable reservations but he's a very decent player on his day. I think a loan is worth the risk.
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Sky news reporting Villa are in talks now, loan and a £42m option to buy.
Chelsea should cover all agent fees if they want that much. They only paid £40m for him 12 months ago and his value certainly hasn't increased.
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How has is value increased from last summer - I hope I am wrong but I have a bad feeling about this transfer
I thought we were after a fast winger - is he that type of player?
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As long as its an option to buy and not an obligation, then I'm fine with it. Some of his analytics from last season were pretty impressive compared to Morgan.
Progressive Carries
MR: 48.9 | AG: 97.4
Dribbles Completes
MR: 47.0 | AG: 91.7
Assists
MR: 24.2 | AG: 88.8
Key Passes
MR: 48.5 | AG: 93.6
Crosses Completed
MR: 24.0 | AG: 90.3
Minutes
MR: 3625 | AG: 1424
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I hope we're not giving him a salary increase, it's reported he's on £90k - £110k a week at Chelsea. That's more than enough.
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🚨 Chelsea want a permanent element attached to any deal for Alejandro Garnacho.
@JamesSavundra
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🚨 Chelsea want a permanent element attached to any deal for Alejandro Garnacho.
@JamesSavundra
What, you mean like an obligation to buy after 60 games in which he was involved?
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🚨 Chelsea want a permanent element attached to any deal for Alejandro Garnacho.
@JamesSavundra
£35m then including the loan and agent fees. No sell-on percentage.
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🚨 Chelsea want a permanent element attached to any deal for Alejandro Garnacho.
@JamesSavundra
Yeah, that’ll be the conditions I should think.
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As long as its an option to buy and not an obligation, then I'm fine with it. Some of his analytics from last season were pretty impressive compared to Morgan.
Progressive Carries
MR: 48.9 | AG: 97.4
Dribbles Completes
MR: 47.0 | AG: 91.7
Assists
MR: 24.2 | AG: 88.8
Key Passes
MR: 48.5 | AG: 93.6
Crosses Completed
MR: 24.0 | AG: 90.3
Minutes
MR: 3625 | AG: 1424
All decent but the last one is a huge negative, at his age and experience he should be playing twice that but he managed to both have loads of positive stats whilst also pissing off so many people that he was a reserve and is up for sale.
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All decent but the last one is a huge negative, at his age and experience he should be playing twice that but he managed to both have loads of positive stats whilst also pissing off so many people that he was a reserve and is up for sale.
Correct. I'm emotionally dead against this, but if the deal is right Emery should be able to get a tune out of him.
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I would have wanted him this time last season, as I think he’s a potentially world class player.
But a year on he comes across as a bit of a knob, and could be one to swerve.
I’m still hoping we go back for Rashford, but giving up £350K a week at Man Utd might take more than Unai to convince.
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I’m still hoping we go back for Rashford, but giving up £350K a week at Man Utd might take more than Unai to convince.
Not really any reason he would be giving up his Man Utd contract.
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What are the unit measurements of those numbers - a mixture of % and minutes played? ie How can he have a better assist record or key passes than Rogers when he played a fraction of the games and he was Blose?
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I’m still hoping we go back for Rashford, but giving up £350K a week at Man Utd might take more than Unai to convince.
Not really any reason he would be giving up his Man Utd contract.
Indeed, I'd love him back, but I think the only way is with a loan where Man Utd are picking up at least SOME of his wages - or they pay him off such that he's not taking a 'pay cut' for the first two years with his new club.
He's not getting £350k a week at his next club, so I don't begrudge him holding out for what he's owed by Man Utd.
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I guess it was written in the stars for a while now. Good to see him doing a reverse Tait #ShitOnTheCity
(https://i.ibb.co/9CnL2rs/Screenshot-20260721-172857-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9CnL2rs)
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As long as this isn't the marquee wide player signing then I don't mind it too much.
I'm pretty sure if it happens, this is the marquee wide player signing.
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I’m still hoping we go back for Rashford, but giving up £350K a week at Man Utd might take more than Unai to convince.
Not really any reason he would be giving up his Man Utd contract.
I wonder how much Rashford wants as a “loyalty bonus” from them
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Lots of understandable reservations but he's a very decent player on his day. I think a loan is worth the risk.
Surely if it happens it's all but a permanent signing and part of the Rogers negotiation, however we define it now.
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I’m still hoping we go back for Rashford, but giving up £350K a week at Man Utd might take more than Unai to convince.
Not really any reason he would be giving up his Man Utd contract.
I wonder how much Rashford wants as a “loyalty bonus” from them
Probably most of the money that they owe him from the contract that they gave him.
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As long as this isn't the marquee wide player signing then I don't mind it too much.
I'm pretty sure if it happens, this is the marquee wide player signing.
That would be pretty indefensible so I'm going to believe that it wouldn't be
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He's going to be a £40m player. I'm not sure what your definition of marquee is, but we won't be signing many players much more expensive than that.
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1. Will Chelsea be making a contribution to his wages?
2. Is there an early return clause?
3. If he does well enough, can we/should we/could we excercise the buy option and immediately flip him to a"glamour club" for a tidy profit?
What might Garnacho's arrival mean for Bailey, Guessand and Alysson?
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Let's keep it simple this time, and go with a classic...
"We're on the march with Alejandro
We're going to love the Argentine
And we'll really shake them up
When we win the FA Cup
'Cos Villa are the greatest football team..."
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Loan ? Yes
Obligation to buy ? Fuck no.
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He's going to be a £40m player. I'm not sure what your definition of marquee is, but we won't be signing many players much more expensive than that.
I wouldn't mind him as a back up
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Think folk are judging him quite harshly. Lad’s only turned 22 this month.
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I’m quite happy with this.
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I thought we had a no d*ckheads policy for our squad.
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John Townley walk and talk on Garnacho
https://xcancel.com/johntownley11/status/2079609452722848186?s=46
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It's on the bloody Beeb now. Not keen one bit.
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What do all those stats mean? Why is a bigger number better than a smaller one?
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It's on the bloody Beeb now. Not keen one bit.
It gets a lot of flak, but the BBC still does a pretty decent job. Yes, some of the news coverage can leave a bit to be desired, but its documentaries can be superb.
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Let's keep it simple this time, and go with a classic...
"We're on the march with Alejandro
We're going to love the Argentine
And we'll really shake them up
When we win the FA Cup
'Cos Villa are the greatest football team..."
Trouble is we wouldn't be able to sing it after January.
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Better than Zaniolo, less inspiring than Rashford.
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Not sure what to make of this, always seems to do well against us but why does everyone want rid. But if Unai wants him, he must think he can get a tune out of him.
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I think you Emery really does like his players to be familiar with the Premier division and already transitioned. Manzambi apart!
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Think folk are judging him quite harshly. Lad’s only turned 22 this month.
Yes, he’s done well to develop a reputation of being a twat for one so young.
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Let's keep it simple this time, and go with a classic...
"We're on the march with Alejandro
We're going to love the Argentine
And we'll really shake them up
When we win the FA Cup
'Cos Villa are the greatest football team..."
Trouble is we wouldn't be able to sing it after January.
It’s our year!!!
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Reservations but Unai wants him, get him in, bound to be better that ‘Bailey the later years’
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NO.NO.NO.NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS.USELESS WASTE OF MONEY
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NO.NO.NO.NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS.USELESS WASTE OF MONEY
Is that to the tune of The Wild Rover?
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Sancho and now (possibly) him. I would be shocked if we really are gonna get him, hopefully it’s just to smoke out another target.
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John Townley walk and talk on Garnacho
https://xcancel.com/johntownley11/status/2079609452722848186?s=46
Hate that shit. Not taking you seriously if you're making content while walking home from Brum Mail HQ. Sit the fcuk down at Podymoor Heath or whatever and bask in your Gomes scoop properly (Tanswell was on compassionate leave).
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IF we sign him and he plays the necessary number of games, whether as a starter or a sub and we have to sign him next summer and spend £40+ million on him - I do hope that Damian and co. Do not send out twitters nonsense about the SCR rules etc.. meaning that we cannot sign anyone until we sell another one of our stars - Kamara as an example
I honestly thought with our first 2 signings this summer we had learned our lesson of previous transfer window mistakes - Sancho / Elliott etc..
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If I remember correctly, I was quite disappointed when we didn’t sign him last summer when we were heavily linked with him.
Then we brought in Sancho.
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I remember watching a few Chelsea games last season where Garnacho did zero defensive work.
He's going to have to change his attitude to hard work if he wants game time under Emery.
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Can I borrow your barge pole?
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I guess it was written in the stars for a while now. Good to see him doing a reverse Tait #ShitOnTheCity
(https://i.ibb.co/9CnL2rs/Screenshot-20260721-172857-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9CnL2rs)
Just standing there picking his arse in a Villa shirt. Yep, get used to that..
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If Unai manages to polish this turd, then hats off to him. He has the ability but lacks the motivation (like Sancho)
Just hoping we are leaking info and are trying to bring another deal for someone else to completion.
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What do all those stats mean? Why is a bigger number better than a smaller one?
I'm assuming they're percentiles based on actions per minute. So he was in the top 10% on most things you'd measure a winger by.
... but was too much of a knob for it to result in game time.
The talent is there but someone needs to slap a bit of reality into him so he realises he's not a generational talent who can be a twat and still get his arse kissed by everyone.
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Hopefully one of the conditions of the purchase is that we win the Champions League.
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He’s had some great games against us, the barstud.
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My first reaction was "please,no! Never!" Then i remembered that my comment at the end of the last summer window was words to the effect of the only positive was Elliot and the others were a waste of wages, so I clearly know nothing about transfers.
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If Emery wants him, I'm fine with it.
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What do all those stats mean? Why is a bigger number better than a smaller one?
I'm assuming they're percentiles based on actions per minute. So he was in the top 10% on most things you'd measure a winger by.
... but was too much of a knob for it to result in game time.
The talent is there but someone needs to slap a bit of reality into him so he realises he's not a generational talent who can be a twat and still get his arse kissed by everyone.
Yeah i agree.
But then again, that's what I thought about Rashford.
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At the time that Alejandro was the Man Utd wonder kid, my class got a new goldfish. The naming process went to a vote and the boy-dominated, red-supporting cohort chose Garnacho. Such is democracy.
I'm not sure this adds much to the discussion, other than being fact rather than speculation.
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I guess it was written in the stars for a while now. Good to see him doing a reverse Tait #ShitOnTheCity
(https://i.ibb.co/9CnL2rs/Screenshot-20260721-172857-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9CnL2rs)
Just standing there picking his arse in a Villa shirt. Yep, get used to that..
Sancho's twin? Really not sure about this. Very talented player who gave Cash huge problems at Villa Park last season but like Sancho his application and focus has been in doubt for years. Bombed out of Man United and Chelsea in two successive seasons.
Don't think he's a good tactical fit for us either.
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At the time that Alejandro was the Man Utd wonder kid, my class got a new goldfish. The naming process went to a vote and the boy-dominated, red-supporting cohort chose Garnacho. Such is democracy.
I'm not sure this adds much to the discussion, other than being fact rather than speculation.
One's prone to forgetting his defensive duties every eight seconds, while going round in endless circles...you can do the rest.
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I back Emery to get the best out of any player. I'm more nervous about Garnacho than I was over Sancho and Rashford though. I'd rather we didn't make this signing.
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If I remember correctly, I was quite disappointed when we didn’t sign him last summer when we were heavily linked with him.
Then we brought in Sancho.
Me too. O’Leary was right, or at least I am fickle.
I was delighted to get Rashford on loan but wouldn’t sign him now.
Annoyed we missed out on Garnacho last summer but wouldn’t touch him now.
The fact he’s been jettisoned by two clubs suggests he’s a bit of a knob. Furthermore the sample of good games/moments is being diluted by two seasons of being on the naughty step.
Certainly feels like a tough assignment for Emery to get him back on strack, but in Emery we trust.
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But neither club had been exactly stable, have they?
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The latest winger renovation project. Hope he’s more Rashford than Sancho.
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Looks like it’s done. I’m ok with it as long as we
Keep bringing on other. He always causes us trouble. If Emery is ok with it. So am I .
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The latest winger renovation project.
Just get Leweling-Bowen, and we'll be fine.
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Apparently Unai want's this one personally and that is good enough for me.
Same way he wanted Joao Felix, Paqueta and Sancho?
He's clearly close to genius at what he can get out of the raw materials available. But someone needs to help him in the raw materials dept.
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The latest winger renovation project. Hope he’s more Rashford than Sancho.
I don’t even think Rashford was all that. Admittedly he was very good in a handful of games.
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At the time that Alejandro was the Man Utd wonder kid, my class got a new goldfish. The naming process went to a vote and the boy-dominated, red-supporting cohort chose Garnacho. Such is democracy.
I'm not sure this adds much to the discussion, other than being fact rather than speculation.
I don’t suppose the goldfish got transferred to a Villa-supporting class, did it? If so, how did it do there?
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Garnacho is undeniably talented - but seems to be poison.
If Emi Martinez is staying, maybe he and the other Emi can take him under their wings and keep him under control.
Are you saying groom him?☺️
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I do hope this thread will end life as discussion only.
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Apparently Unai want's this one personally and that is good enough for me.
Same way he wanted Joao Felix, Paqueta and Sancho?
He's clearly close to genius at what he can get out of the raw materials available. But someone needs to help him in the raw materials dept.
We can not keep Unai running The Repair Shop. We need to give him some box fresh stuff.
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Last person to try help/challenge Emery on recruitment was bounced out the door. No doubt for me that was real story behind the Elliot debacle. History written by winners of which undoubtedly Emery is one. But that doesn't mean decisions can't be challenged. Garnacho just seems like a risk we don't need to take.
There was little excuse for signing that fraud Sancho either but we were stuck in a last minute trolley dash situation that Steve Bruce would have loved. These loans, obligations etc, I'm not sure why we should be back in that place. Lindelof was at least given a contract and a show of faith in him. In all honesty this seems like another case of two clubs helping each other out to get around SCR/PSR/MMR
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It doesn’t really. It sounds more like us being interested in the player, but unsure on where his head is at, and using a loan as a test.
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In all honesty this seems like another case of two clubs helping each other out to get around SCR/PSR/MMR
I don’t always agree with everything you say but this bot is bang on IMO. I think reason we got more out of Chelsea than Arsenal would have given us is because of his two clubs have helped each other with FFP issues and this Rogers/Garnacho stuff is the latest example.
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It doesn’t really. It sounds more like us being interested in the player, but unsure on where his head is at, and using a loan as a test.
That’s not very smart as SCR compliance for UEFA is a major issue.
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I'm less than enthused, but given Emery wants him, he needs to be given what he wants. I'd hope it's not the only wider player we sign, mind.
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It doesn’t really. It sounds more like us being interested in the player, but unsure on where his head is at, and using a loan as a test.
That’s not very smart as SCR compliance for UEFA is a major issue.
Why is not punting money upfront not smart for SCR compliance?