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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2026, 03:58:29 PM
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That was poop.
Fulham lost
Sours lost
Burnley drawn
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If we can't win away against this lot then good luck in Istanbul lads.
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grab the money for Morgan while we can
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Awful result
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Abysmal. Abysmal. Seriously, why are we literally two different teams?
That said, that not-given penalty was the biggest pile of shit I ever fucking saw.
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Andy fucking Hinchcliffe can fuck right off.
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Fcuk me we won’t half make it hard for ourselves. Having to beat Liverpool before a major final ffs
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That ends a terrible stretch of performances and results. 1 point from three very winnable games. Just awful. Today just wasn’t good enough. Not by a long stretch.
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We may have been shite, but we've been absolutely robbed by the bent bastards running refereeing in this country, again.
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We were almost as bad as the VAR. C**t.
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Watch us get an apology from PGMOL in midweek to say we should have got a penalty for the clear foul on Emi.
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Now we're at risk.
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We're regressing quickly.I hope we've got one more top performance in us for Europa.
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Eggs in the Europa basket. Lose that we are in the shit
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Mings having a good old chuckle at full time there.
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Burnley “richly deserve” fuck all you ******. The amount of times they said we’ve been above Liverpool for 3 mins. Try 5 months you absolute ******. ******.
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We were robbed at the end but performance had similar intensity as Fulham. All the subs contributed something but Emery sat on his hands and left the changes too late. Tammy left on bench! Awful decision to start Mings too.
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Rogers garbage
Either burnt out or not giving a fuck.
Although we were crap if that foul by Walker is on Ferdinaz then it's clearly given
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Pitiful and shameful. Utterly disgraceful.
They are fucking mugging us off.
The can play like they this against Fulham, Spurs and Burnley and then turn it on in one game on Thursday.
If I didn’t know better, I’d call them a bunch of fucking frauds.
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Embarrassing
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I've been angry at VAR decisions before, but I am apoplectic at that non-penalty. We have been garbage, and probably didn't deserve to win, but that is an absolutely nailed-on penalty.
We now have what I've been saying I didn't want since November. A situation where we need to get something from Liverpool or Man City to be in control of our own destiny.
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
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Mings passing back to Martinez with a minute to go was bizzare.
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And that was a stonewall penalty that you know who would have got 10/10.
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The league form has been disgraceful of late, it really has. Europa League obviously fantastic, but we’ve been embarrassing in the league recently.
Mings cannot start again.
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We have to prey city do the job vs bournmoutb. If they win there we are up shit street.
If the Villa who lost to Both Wolves, Spurs and Burnley shows up on the 20th we are fucked
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It all came from the back, too slow and no incisive passes.
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We have placed ourselves in real jeopardy for qualification through League position and under real pressure as far the final is concerned.
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That was pretty boring.
No tempo
No intensity.
No width.
No pressing.
No battling or fight.
B O R I N G
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Too many of our better players not only didnt turn up but actually seemed to be playing for the opposition. But at the end of the day if Cash hasn’t have been such a prick and losing the ball we would have coasted that 😡
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Pathetic all over the pitch.
Too casual from too many players, not enough effort from too many players. I really hope Emery comes out and eviscerates them in his interview. He's been way too polite after a number of turd efforts recently.
I can't see how we get a single point from the last two league games so we are reliant on other's doing us a favour. So poor that it has come to that
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We won't finish 4th now, 5th isn't even guaranteed given our last two opponents so at best we've enriched a plucky rival in 6th if we win the UEFA Cup. At worst, we'll finish below 5th and lose to Freiburg. Only the Villa...
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Not a great performance. They happen.
Should have had a pen.
Oh well.
Bournemouth aren't catching us and we'll be in the CL next season.
Villa 8)
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Mings passing back to Martinez with a minute to go was bizzare.
Looked as if his groin had gone.
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Pitiful and shameful. Utterly disgraceful.
They are fucking mugging us off.
The can play like they this against Fulham, Spurs and Burnley and then turn it on in one game on Thursday.
If I didn’t know better, I’d call them a bunch of fucking frauds.
Calm the fuck down FFS, you're an adult.
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Burnley “richly deserve” fuck all you ******. The amount of times they said we’ve been above Liverpool for 3 mins. Try 5 months you absolute ******. ******.
You think we deserved to win today?
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It all came from the back, too slow and no incisive passes.
100% this
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I thought we were miles better than them too. we just couldn’t score the goals we should’ve
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I thought we were miles better than them too. we just couldn’t score the goals we should’ve
I think they'll feel like they made enough chances to win.
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Fcuk me we won’t half make it hard for ourselves. Having to beat Liverpool before a major final ffs
Yep. Pathetic again.
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We are our own worst enemies but we knew that already. This was such a frustrating performance, to take the lead and just hand them a goal back is inexcusable.
We're going to have to give it a proper go against Liverpool because we're up before we know how Bournemouth and Brighton do.
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Garbage result but Bournemouth need to win both and one of those is vs City.
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Morgan Rogers just looks disinterested too often - he suits Chelsea.
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Not confident 115 beat bournmth neither
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That ends a terrible stretch of performances and results. 1 point from three very winnable games. Just awful. Today just wasn’t good enough. Not by a long stretch.
Ends? I expect two more stinkers before the league season is over!
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
Ah stop mate, our last three league performances have been an utter disgrace.
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Can't see this group of players getting anything from Liverpool or Citeh if they don't raise their game in a huge way. They look out of fight. I know they might have been leggy from Thursday, but that was shocking. Rogers was really bad today.
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Not a great performance. They happen.
Should have had a pen.
Oh well.
Bournemouth aren't catching us and we'll be in the CL next season.
Villa 8)
Bournemouth aren't the only risk. If Brighton beat Leeds and an on-the-beach Man Utd at home on the last day, we need something from Liverpool or Man City.
On current form, we're not getting anything from either of those games, so we're relying Man City to beat Bournemouth, and Leeds or Man Utd to get something from Brighton.
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Mings having a good old chuckle at full time there.
Yes I saw that, he should give his head a fucking good wobble. Don't like to see that.
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
Well said. Nice to see some balance.
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Can't see us getting another point this season playing like this.
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Garbage result but Bournemouth need to win both and one of those is vs City.
Not really. If we lose both our games (can't see how we don't) then Bournemouth only need a point against City and to win their other game.
We may sneak over the line but it is so poor that it has got to this stage
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
Ah stop mate, our last three league performances have been an utter disgrace.
You remember 94 right?
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Garbage result but Bournemouth need to win both and one of those is vs City.
They won at Arsenal a few weeks ago and haven't lost since Jan 3rd. We're probably there but it's far from a Shay.
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Morgan Rogers just looks disinterested too often - he suits Chelsea.
I didn't see that, and thought he ended up trying too hard. His form is a bit shot and he had a mate today no mistake, but disinterested? Not for me.
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Rubbish. All we had to do was be more careful in possession.
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Pitiful and shameful. Utterly disgraceful.
They are fucking mugging us off.
The can play like they this against Fulham, Spurs and Burnley and then turn it on in one game on Thursday.
If I didn’t know better, I’d call them a bunch of fucking frauds.
Forest were missing half their first team. Debatable whether we would have beaten them at full-strength. We're running on fumes, too reliant on Kamara. Huge summer ahead of player turnover. If we don't make CL, it's gonna be thin gruel next season.
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Can't see this group of players getting anything from Liverpool or Citeh if they don't raise their game in a huge way. They look out of fight. I know they might have been leggy from Thursday, but that was shocking. Rogers was really bad today.
Rogers has been bad for a long time.
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Not a great performance. They happen.
Should have had a pen.
Oh well.
Bournemouth aren't catching us and we'll be in the CL next season.
Villa 8)
Bournemouth aren't the only risk. If Brighton beat Leeds and an on-the-beach Man Utd at home on the last day, we need something from Liverpool or Man City.
On current form, we're not getting anything from either of those games, so we're relying Man City to beat Bournemouth, and Leeds or Man Utd to get something from Brighton.
If we end up needing anything, which I don't think we will, we're good enough to get it.
That's it. Not arguing any more over it.
Chill 8)
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We didn't deserve to win plain and simple. We go ahead and minutes later Cash is fannying around instead of clearing up field 2-2. Can Mings go any slower and anyone offering decent money for Rogers i'd take it. This is Typical Villa always falling over when it counts. Unai has to take some responsibility leaving the changes late again. Burnley when they attacked did so with pace. It looks like we need to beat pool because because those beneath us are playing well. Mention to Watkins who put in all game.
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We won’t win another point this season.
All our eggs well and truly in one basket.
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Mings passing back to Martinez with a minute to go was bizzare.
Nah. In keeping with his nonchalance.
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We've been underwhelming to atrocious in 4 of the last 5 in all comps. The 1 we were good in, we were incredible. I think it's maybe acceptable to feel some frustration with this!
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Some embarrasingly over the top reactions.
Frustrating really. We do try and walk it into the net too often. Its great when it comes off but we need to have a pop more often. I wasnt expecting the same level.of performance as the other night but we should have beaten them.
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Rogers 0.
5 league wins in 5 months is truly pathetic. If another club pips us to fifth it is what it is.
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
Ah stop mate, our last three league performances have been an utter disgrace.
Somebody needs to do an Ice Challenge. Shocking performance, the only positive from the game is nobody got injured despite them all playing like they were.
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
Ah stop mate, our last three league performances have been an utter disgrace.
You remember 94 right?
Relevance of 22 years ago? If we don't get CL football we have a summer of scrabbling around the bargain basement for Sancho's on loan.
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Mings shit
Rogers dire
Cash embarrassing
Villa such a let down
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Against that opposition that was an unacceptable performance.
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Some embarrasingly over the top reactions.
A couple. Most I think are perfectly within their rights to feel miffed at our failure to get the truly modest points target to make CL qualification mathematically certain from a perfectly normal fixture list over a period of over a month.
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Garbage result but Bournemouth need to win both and one of those is vs City.
Bournemouth only need a draw agst City and a win at Forest (4 pts) to go ahead of us on goal difference if we lose our 2 remaining games
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Pathetic all over the pitch.
Too casual from too many players, not enough effort from too many players. I really hope Emery comes out and eviscerates them in his interview. He's been way too polite after a number of turd efforts recently.
I doubt it. It'll be his usual mantra. "This is Premier League (smile). After game 36 we are 5th, and we are in a HYUUUGE European final."
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
Ah stop mate, our last three league performances have been an utter disgrace.
You remember 94 right?
Relevance of 22 years ago? If we don't get CL football we have a summer of scrabbling around the bargain basement for Sancho's on loan.
This is what prioritising a cup looks like. Last year two clubs did it and finished 17th and 16th respectively.
We are doing it and are 5th with a 4 point cushion.
Some perspective.
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Not confident 115 beat bournmth neither
Plus they don’t play until after our Liverpool game.
So we will have to put some effort into that game which we shouldn’t have had too.
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Fucking shit. Again.
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16th in current form in the last 10 league games. Only 3 sides with fewer points than our 9 are Spurs 8 (beat us) Chelsea 5 (twatted us) abd Burnley 3 (draw). Wolves are the other side, also on 9.
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Morgan Rogers just looks disinterested too often - he suits Chelsea.
I didn't see that, and thought he ended up trying too hard. His form is a bit shot and he had a mate today no mistake, but disinterested? Not for me.
He just looks totally knackered. His touch gets heavier and heavier as each game goes on.
Why the hell Emery won't give him a rest is beyond me. Is he trying to keep him happy in the hope he won't want to leave?
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A useful point won, well done boys. UTV
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Morgan Rogers just looks disinterested too often - he suits Chelsea.
I didn't see that, and thought he ended up trying too hard. His form is a bit shot and he had a mate today no mistake, but disinterested? Not for me.
Disinterested is probably the wrong word but his passing and general decision making were very poor today and it’s been like that in far too many games this season. When he’s on it he’s great but the drop off is huge.
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Bournemouth aren't catching us and we'll be in the CL next season.
What about Brighton?
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I'll be honest, I didn't think it was a pen. Buendia puts his foot across where Walker is running and gets caught, not all contact is a pen. My opinion on those sort of pens aren't going to change because it's us.
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
Ah stop mate, our last three league performances have been an utter disgrace.
You remember 94 right?
Relevance of 22 years ago? If we don't get CL football we have a summer of scrabbling around the bargain basement for Sancho's on loan.
This is what prioritising a cup looks like. Last year two clubs did it and finished 17th and 16th respectively.
We are doing it and are 5th with a 4 point cushion.
Some perspective.
This is a match thread though, not a "perspective on the season thread"
The "effort" today against a truly abysmal team was unacceptable
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A useful point won, well done boys. UTV
Silicon Valley burnout casualties call this 'toxic positivity' ;)
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
Ah stop mate, our last three league performances have been an utter disgrace.
You remember 94 right?
Relevance of 22 years ago? If we don't get CL football we have a summer of scrabbling around the bargain basement for Sancho's on loan.
This is what prioritising a cup looks like. Last year two clubs did it and finished 17th and 16th respectively.
We are doing it and are 5th with a 4 point cushion.
Some perspective.
Apples and oranges. Those two clubs didn't have a hope of CL football via the PL. We have frozen on the spot it looks like, grateful to the utter ineptitude of others. Fulham, Spurs, Burnley - 1 point.
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I thought we were miles better than them too. we just couldn’t score the goals we should’ve
This & had VAR been on our side we couldve had another couple of goals & a win .
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Some embarrasingly over the top reactions.
Frustrating really. We do try and walk it into the net too often. Its great when it comes off but we need to have a pop more often. I wasnt expecting the same level.of performance as the other night but we should have beaten them.
Having a pop worked wonders in Nov-December but apparently it wasn't sustainable and it looks like that was correct.
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Not confident 115 beat bournmth neither
Plus they don’t play until after our Liverpool game.
So we will have to put some effort into that game which we shouldn’t have had too.
Also unfortunately we are recently the gift that keeps on giving as far as Liverpool are concerned. No matter how they're playing we find ways to gift them points.
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Fuck it. The players and management don't seem to be arsed so I guess they know what they're doing. The point could end up being important. I have to say I'm not too scared of Liverpool, and the draw will suit them too.
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There are overreactions and then there are some of the comments on here.
I’ll have to raise my expectations a bit higher as I’m clearly not expecting enough.
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Some embarrasingly over the top reactions.
A couple. Most I think are perfectly within their rights to feel miffed at our failure to get the truly modest points target to make CL qualification mathematically certain from a perfectly normal fixture list over a period of over a month.
There's never a Clampdown with Clampy. Maybe he needs to have a word with Rudy Can't Fail, a proper clash.
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One point from Spurs and Burnley is almost comical. The difference in attitude today from Thursday was remarkable. The Spurs gamble has gone full circle. What the fuck does Unai now do against Liverpool. Personally forget the final, go out and win the game full strength. Let the final take care of itself. The thought of missing out on CL in the league to Bournemouth is depressing.
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Some embarrasingly over the top reactions.
Frustrating really. We do try and walk it into the net too often. Its great when it comes off but we need to have a pop more often. I wasnt expecting the same level.of performance as the other night but we should have beaten them.
Having a pop worked wonders in Nov-December but apparently it wasn't sustainable and it looks like that was correct.
If anything, we were “having a pop” too often today.
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Some embarrasingly over the top reactions.
Frustrating really. We do try and walk it into the net too often. Its great when it comes off but we need to have a pop more often. I wasnt expecting the same level.of performance as the other night but we should have beaten them.
Having a pop worked wonders in Nov-December but apparently it wasn't sustainable and it looks like that was correct.
We had quite a few shots from outside the box today, unfortunately they were all poor efforts.
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There are overreactions and then there are some of the comments on here.
I’ll have to raise my expectations a bit higher as I’m clearly not expecting enough.
Indeed. I mean, a 4 point cushion and a Europa League final. Two bites of the cherry plus the prospect of ending the trophy drought.
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Fuck it. The players and management don't seem to be arsed so I guess they know what they're doing. The point could end up being important. I have to say I'm not too scared of Liverpool, and the draw will suit them too.
A draw doesn't suit either anymore.
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A useful point won, well done boys. UTV
Silicon Valley burnout casualties call this 'toxic positivity' ;)
If Silicon Valley had more fellas named Billy Walker working there instead of the Chads and Todds, maybe AI could be put back a few years in favour of the human spirit.
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Not confident 115 beat bournmth neither
Plus they don’t play until after our Liverpool game.
So we will have to put some effort into that game which we shouldn’t have had too.
Also unfortunately we are recently the gift that keeps on giving as far as Liverpool are concerned. No matter how they're playing we find ways to gift them points.
we are not going full strength neither . . . expect mings , maatsen , barkley etc not that ross was bad today , he had some credit.. Id imagine sancho and dougie ..
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Fuck it. The players and management don't seem to be arsed so I guess they know what they're doing. The point could end up being important. I have to say I'm not too scared of Liverpool, and the draw will suit them too.
A draw doesn't suit either anymore.
least of all us with our poor goal difference. we'll beat Liverpool though.
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No offence to Tyrone Mings, who has been a decent servant to us, but I really hope we never see him in a Villa shirt again. He is finished at any decent level
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Fuck it. The players and management don't seem to be arsed so I guess they know what they're doing. The point could end up being important. I have to say I'm not too scared of Liverpool, and the draw will suit them too.
A draw doesn't suit either anymore.
least of all us with our poor goal difference. we'll beat Liverpool though.
Last home game, a few days before a major final, were going to batter them.
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Too many poor performances. Cash and Martinez really poor for the goals.
Mings being selected mystifies me. He is totally gone at this level and really impacts the way we play.
Stonewall penalty mind.
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Liverpool have nothing to play for other than cementing 4th with the extra £2.5m in prize money.
We will be putting out the stiffs to protect the main players for the cup game.
It’ll be spurs all over again
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I'm not sure if there's another team who try to economise their effort in quite the way we do. If it pays off with our first major trophy in decades and CL qualification it will be quickly forgotten but if it all goes to shit it will be rightly castigated.
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Fuck it. The players and management don't seem to be arsed so I guess they know what they're doing. The point could end up being important. I have to say I'm not too scared of Liverpool, and the draw will suit them too.
A draw doesn't suit either anymore.
least of all us with our poor goal difference. we'll beat Liverpool though.
With our reserves?
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Too many poor performances. Cash and Martinez really poor for the goals.
Mings being selected mystifies me. He is totally gone at this level and really impacts the way we play.
Stonewall penalty mind.
Totally, him and a few others prob their last season with us.
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Frustrated more than angry and can’t be arsed with all the ‘disgrace’ hyperbole. Last 15 mins of first half and beginning of 2nd we were in total control, if we’d managed to hold onto the lead for 10 or 15 mins I think we’d probably have cruised to a 3-1, but we obviously never.
If we draw with Liverpool its more or less done in my view. Anyone thinking we’re not capable of drawing with Liverpool has only been watching our poor end of season performances and not paying attention to them.
Bournemouth are playing well, but unless Man City have already flunked the league in their game in hard against Palace this week, there is no chance they are not beating Bournemouth and bringing it to the last day.
The most frustrating thing is Emery is probably going to have to play his strongest side on Friday night now, not ideal 5 days before the final.
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No offence to Tyrone Mings, who has been a decent servant to us, but I really hope we never see him in a Villa shirt again. He is finished at any decent level
He'll be playing Friday
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With Villa and Liverpool neck and neck, and Bournemouth where they are, Villa v Liverpool is massive for both clubs. Bournemouth must really fancy their chances here.
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Stonewall penalty mind.
Apart from bring Emi down, ripping his boot off and putting a hole in his sock I didn't see much one way or the other.
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I’m struggling to see the positives here. And it isn’t a 4 point cushion, it is 3 because of GD.
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No offence to Tyrone Mings, who has been a decent servant to us, but I really hope we never see him in a Villa shirt again. He is finished at any decent level
He'll be playing Friday
I don't think we have that luxury after today's shambles.
We need to go all out for a result on Friday and Mings playing doesn't align with that mentality.
It would be a big mistake to play Mings on Friday
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Poor really in a game there for the taking. Slack has been the ideal description in the league lately.
Emery will rightly be angry but we can't rest players next Friday, we should go for it.
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No offence to Tyrone Mings, who has been a decent servant to us, but I really hope we never see him in a Villa shirt again. He is finished at any decent level
He'll be playing Friday
I don't think we have that luxury after today's shambles.
We need to go all out for a result on Friday and Mings playing doesn't align with that mentality.
It would be a big mistake to play Mings on Friday
So, should we play Mings or not?
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I’m struggling to see the positives here. And it isn’t a 4 point cushion, it is 3 because of GD.
It's 4.
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I thought we were very poor today. Mings can't start again. As great as a servant he has been, he is done. He sets the tempo from the back and it is way too slow. We get stuck and can't get out quickly enough.
Rogers was dreadful throughout, as poor as he has been all season.
We really do like to make it hard for ourselves don't we? I think we are going to need a point from somehwere, as I fancy Bournmouth to get 4 points and Brighton 6 points in the last two games. If that happens, both will have a better GD than us. Today was a massive opportunity and we threw it away.
Having watched Liverpool yesterday, they look pretty poor and are very beatable, However, it will require a performance more akin to Thursday than today.
Probably not what we should be doing 5 days before the cup final.
Also if we do fuck it up v Liverpool and results elsewhere go against us, it puts massive pressure on the final itself. Again we didn't need this and it was all so avoidable with a win today. Oh well, it is all very Villa I suppose.
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Absolutely fuming with that pathetic performance.
There’s no excuses for that given that Burnley are a shit relegated team with nothing to play for, and we could have gone 4th all but sealing Champions League qualification.
Both BHA and Bournemouth are very much still in the chase now, and we can’t afford to rest players next Friday night against Liverpool if we’re to finish the job via the league.
1pt (ONE POINT) from Fulham, Spurs and Burnley is beyond pathetic…it should have been done and dusted by now, but we’ve gone and made it hard for ourselves.
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I’m struggling to see the positives here. And it isn’t a 4 point cushion, it is 3 because of GD.
We’re on exactly the same GD as Bournemouth. Its a 4 point difference.
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That ends a terrible stretch of performances and results. 1 point from three very winnable games. Just awful. Today just wasn’t good enough. Not by a long stretch.
Ends? I expect two more stinkers before the league season is over!
I reckon we will beat Liverpool at a raucous Villa Park send off and then Freiburg. We’ll lose to Man City at their place. As we always do.
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I’m struggling to see the positives here. And it isn’t a 4 point cushion, it is 3 because of GD.
We’re on exactly the same GD as Bournemouth. Its a 4 point difference.
If they make up 4 points on us they will be ahead of us on goal difference...
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I’m struggling to see the positives here. And it isn’t a 4 point cushion, it is 3 because of GD.
It's 4.
Give me the scenario where Bournemouth close our “4 point cushion” and we still finish above them
We have a gap of 4 but a cushion of 3
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After 20 games we had 43 pts.
Bournemouth had 23.
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I’m struggling to see the positives here. And it isn’t a 4 point cushion, it is 3 because of GD.
It's 4.
Give me the scenario where Bournemouth close our “4 point cushion” and we still finish above them
By winning 4 more points than us. Which means the gap is 4 points. If we lose v Liverpool and they beat ManC we are still a point ahead despite a 3 point swing. Because the gap is 4 points.
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Frustrating but not surprising. We'll draw on Friday and that will be enough.
We need to move a lot of shite on come Summer.
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I’m struggling to see the positives here. And it isn’t a 4 point cushion, it is 3 because of GD.
It's 4.
Give me the scenario where Bournemouth close our “4 point cushion” and we still finish above them
We have a gap of 4 but a cushion of 3
Without today's point they could afford to lose to City and still catch us. They can't now, they need a result against Man City
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It does show you that there are no gimmes in this league. Even Wolves, temporarily turned decent when they took points off us, Arsenal and someone else good in March.
Spurs and Burnley had a week of prep-time with new coaches looking to make an impression so were chomping at the bit to play us.
Our Thursday to Sunday record has been pretty decent all-season but we only had to play most of the Europa League group-phase games in second gear.
The Forest legs would have taken more out of us and at this level of small margins, Spuds and the Clarets did have an advantage. Still should be coming away with a win from the two matches though.
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I’m struggling to see the positives here. And it isn’t a 4 point cushion, it is 3 because of GD.
We’re on exactly the same GD as Bournemouth. Its a 4 point difference.
Yes, but I understand that line of thought, as to make up the points deficit they will automatically have made up the GD deficit.
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We can’t just worry about Bournemouth
Brighton are as big a threat too.
Its quite incredible that we need to be worrying about other teams results given where we were a few weeks ago.
Things can all change so quickly.
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We can’t just worry about Bournemouth
Brighton are as big a threat too.
Its quite incredible that we need to be worrying about other teams results given where we were a few weeks ago.
Things can all change so quickly.
We have seen this time and time again. Team has a cup run and stutters in the league
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In control for most part even with Maatsen and Cash being bobbins. The amount of misplaced balls by all of them, wtf?
As someone else pointed out, sell Roger’s before people cotton on. I’m not buying this “he’s totally knackered”. He might actually be but he can’t be anymore than Watkins who looks fresh and hungry, he looks half paced, makes awful decisions and isn’t as good as he obviously thinks he is. “I want to be the best player on the pitch” says Morgan. I’d be happy if he was mediocre right now.
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I’m struggling to see the positives here. And it isn’t a 4 point cushion, it is 3 because of GD.
We’re on exactly the same GD as Bournemouth. Its a 4 point difference.
Yes, but I understand that line of thought, as to make up the points deficit they will automatically have made up the GD deficit.
Indeed. There is no possible scenario where they catch us and aren’t ahead on GD
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I'll be honest, I didn't think it was a pen. Buendia puts his foot across where Walker is running and gets caught, not all contact is a pen. My opinion on those sort of pens aren't going to change because it's us.
It is for some clubs/players.
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We can’t just worry about Bournemouth
Brighton are as big a threat too.
Its quite incredible that we need to be worrying about other teams results given where we were a few weeks ago.
Things can all change so quickly.
We have seen this time and time again. Team has a cup run and stutters in the league
I wouldn't have minded a "stutter"
What we've seen is a pathetic capitulation in the league
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A stutter would have seen comfortably 4th. Since Feb 1st we're on a league run of
W3 D4 L6
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Bloody hell. Bournemouth don’t play again until 19th.
There is too much squeaky bum time left in this.
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I would not trust Man U to not roll over last day for Brighton if needed, shithouses that they are.
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It does show you that there are no gimmes in this league. Even Wolves, temporarily turned decent when they took points off us, Arsenal and someone else good in March.
It happens too many times for it to be teams turning decent, it is us not playing to the levels we know we can and making the other team then look decent.
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We can’t just worry about Bournemouth
Brighton are as big a threat too.
Its quite incredible that we need to be worrying about other teams results given where we were a few weeks ago.
Things can all change so quickly.
We have seen this time and time again. Team has a cup run and stutters in the league
I wouldn't have minded a "stutter"
What we've seen is a pathetic capitulation in the league
Its been a very poor ending to the season league performances wise so far. However, given we sold Ramsey, couldn’t retain Rashford & Asensio and brought in Sancho, Guessand, the lesser seen Eliliot and Big Vic (love him), I think its massively impressive we are (probably) going to qualify for the champions league alongside getting to the Europa league final.
This is a season and a half given the terrible transfer activity and restrictions on us.
I get its emotive when we play, shit/average, but you know, perspective and all that.
And it was a fooking stonewall pen
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No matter what happens this squad needs a major overhaul this summer.
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Some embarrasingly over the top reactions.
A couple. Most I think are perfectly within their rights to feel miffed at our failure to get the truly modest points target to make CL qualification mathematically certain from a perfectly normal fixture list over a period of over a month.
Indeed - the league form is nowhere even passable.
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
Ah stop mate, our last three league performances have been an utter disgrace.
You remember 94 right?
Relevance of 22 years ago? If we don't get CL football we have a summer of scrabbling around the bargain basement for Sancho's on loan.
This is what prioritising a cup looks like. Last year two clubs did it and finished 17th and 16th respectively.
We are doing it and are 5th with a 4 point cushion.
Some perspective.
massive difference ,neither of those clubs were anywhere near qualifying for CL in the league so understandably prioritised the Euro comp
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No matter what happens this squad needs a major overhaul this summer.
It needs what it has needed all season. More quality in attacking positions.
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Thought Maatsen and cash were dreadful. Cash reverted to last season, but Maatsen is a bigger worry as I don’t think he is Dignes replacement, think we will need to get a better left back.
Mings is done now, thanks for being great over the years but time to go.
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I still can't get over Cash deciding he wanted a lie down. Yes he made an awful mistake but he really compounded it by just lying there. Flemming managed to go from two yards away from him playing a pass back to the initial player, to be unmarked on the edge of the box centrally because Cash didn't get up and try to make numbers again which would have allowed someone to follow him.
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It does show you that there are no gimmes in this league. Even Wolves, temporarily turned decent when they took points off us, Arsenal and someone else good in March.
It happens too many times for it to be teams turning decent, it is us not playing to the levels we know we can and making the other team then look decent.
Totally, you could tell today if we’d got to about 70% of the level we did on Thursday we’d have cruised this. But we were unmotivated, casual, and just expected we could walk it. It’s not good enough and it’s a trend.
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One point against fulham spurs and Burnley is criminal. Worst of all now we have to risk players right before a cup final with praying no key players pick up a injury
Just so villa honestly
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We all get it, VAR can go both ways but how in fucks name do they not ask the ref to take a look at that foul at the end on Emi? It was as clear as can be. Paul Robinson was the co commentator on the feed I had and he couldn’t believe it wasn’t given.
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That was lackadaisically shite.
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We have to prey city do the job vs bournmoutb. If they win there we are up shit street.
If the Villa who lost to Both Wolves, Spurs and Burnley shows up on the 20th we are fucked
We need West Ham to get something today
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Not a great performance against probably the worst team we've played this season. In fairness the players put in a lot of effort on Thursday night & we know that Rogers has played too much football. It's also clear that some of both our stalwarts & back up players are past their best or simply not good enough.
But Anthony Taylor & his mates are a fucking disgrace. Taylor has never given us anything. You can guarantee Liverpool will be given a far softer penalty on Friday night.
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We all get it, VAR can go both ways but how in fucks name do they not ask the ref to take a look at that foul at the end on Emi? It was as clear as can be. Paul Robinson was the co commentator on the feed I had and he couldn’t believe it wasn’t given.
It was checked according to 5Live Extra commentary - and quickly cleared.
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We all get it, VAR can go both ways but how in fucks name do they not ask the ref to take a look at that foul at the end on Emi? It was as clear as can be. Paul Robinson was the co commentator on the feed I had and he couldn’t believe it wasn’t given.
It was checked according to 5Live Extra commentary - and quickly cleared.
That’s just it. How did they quickly clear it?
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The players are banjaxed. Same players playing to many games because the subs we have are not good enough. The fact we are in a Euro final and will probably finish in the top 5 is am amazing achiwvement. I havent seen a team the likes of this at VP in over 40 years. Beat Freiburg and all will be good
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We all get it, VAR can go both ways but how in fucks name do they not ask the ref to take a look at that foul at the end on Emi? It was as clear as can be. Paul Robinson was the co commentator on the feed I had and he couldn’t believe it wasn’t given.
It was checked according to 5Live Extra commentary - and quickly cleared.
Thats given if its manure arsenal or citeh. Its must blatent isnt the favouritism in this league?
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If Fernandez gets one for treading on konsa then he definitely gets that one today because for a start off he would’ve been spitting in Taylor’s face.
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Sky & the PL want something to talk about going into the last week.
But we've been weak away from home in the PL for a long time.
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Mings having a good old chuckle at full time there.
Yes I saw that, he should give his head a fucking good wobble. Don't like to see that.
Or perhaps he’s just played a team sport , came up against one of his old colleagues and had a bit of a natter. Doesn’t make him a bad person.
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We all get it, VAR can go both ways but how in fucks name do they not ask the ref to take a look at that foul at the end on Emi? It was as clear as can be. Paul Robinson was the co commentator on the feed I had and he couldn’t believe it wasn’t given.
Yes I had that feed. Robinson acknowledged it was accidental but couldn’t believe VAR couldn’t perceive there was contact. He had a rip in his bloody sock.
I know we should be beating Burnley anyway and I really don’t like football conspiracies, but honestly, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, get that all day long.
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Mings having a good old chuckle at full time there.
Yes I saw that, he should give his head a fucking good wobble. Don't like to see that.
Or perhaps he’s just played a team sport , came up against one of his old colleagues and had a bit of a natter. Doesn’t make him a bad person.
I've never understood why people care about these things.
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I’d be fuming if that pen was given against us to be honest, looked like an accidental tread on the ankle. You’ve seen them given though.
More worried about how casual and sloppy we were against very poor opposition. I think this was worse than the Spurs game - that Villa team was weaker and Spuds were really up for it.
Burnley were rubbish, lacking quality and constantly giving the ball back to us, and we still messed it up.
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We all get it, VAR can go both ways but how in fucks name do they not ask the ref to take a look at that foul at the end on Emi? It was as clear as can be. Paul Robinson was the co commentator on the feed I had and he couldn’t believe it wasn’t given.
It was checked according to 5Live Extra commentary - and quickly cleared.
That’s just it. How did they quickly clear it?
Because Taylor told them he saw it clearly and there wasn't enough for a penalty and VAR couldn't then do anything.
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Not very clever that today. We've struggled to manage away games in the Premier League too many times this season. Cash getting dispossessed for their second goal was poor, especially as they were hardly threatening at that point.
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Ollie's goal that was disallowed really wound me up. His foot is slightly offside, but he scores with his head. Doesn't make sense.
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I’d be fuming if that pen was given against us to be honest, looked like an accidental tread on the ankle. You’ve seen them given though.
Yep.
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Ollie's goal that was disallowed really wound me up. His foot is slightly offside, but he scores with his head. Doesn't make sense.
Should never have been remotely offside from that position, poor from Ollie. Burnley were so bad at the back
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We all get it, VAR can go both ways but how in fucks name do they not ask the ref to take a look at that foul at the end on Emi? It was as clear as can be. Paul Robinson was the co commentator on the feed I had and he couldn’t believe it wasn’t given.
Yes I had that feed. Robinson acknowledged it was accidental but couldn’t believe VAR couldn’t perceive there was contact. He had a rip in his bloody sock.
I know we should be beating Burnley anyway and I really don’t like football conspiracies, but honestly, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, get that all day long.
Three words. Anthony fucking Taylor. We never get a thing when he's refereeing our games.
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I’d be fuming if that pen was given against us to be honest, looked like an accidental tread on the ankle. You’ve seen them given though.
Yep.
I'm not aware of a rule that says it's not a penalty if it's an accidental rather than deliberate foul.
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Mings having a good old chuckle at full time there.
Yes I saw that, he should give his head a fucking good wobble. Don't like to see that.
Or perhaps he’s just played a team sport , came up against one of his old colleagues and had a bit of a natter. Doesn’t make him a bad person.
I've never understood why people care about these things.
Maybe I’m old school but, after what should be viewed as a disappointing result and the performance he put in, it wasn’t a great look.
Fine, Mings and Tuanzebe were team mates - shake hands, say good game. But don’t stand there straight after the whistle laughing your head off like you’ve just seen Del Boy falling through the bar for the first time.
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Ollie's goal that was disallowed really wound me up. His foot is slightly offside, but he scores with his head. Doesn't make sense.
Should never have been remotely offside from that position, poor from Ollie. Burnley were so bad at the back
We scored straight after. It is literally irrelevant. We wouldn’t have had both goals, obviously
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I’d be fuming if that pen was given against us to be honest, looked like an accidental tread on the ankle. You’ve seen them given though.
Yep.
I'm not aware of a rule that says it's not a penalty if it's an accidental rather than deliberate foul.
Buendia's foot comes across to the side into Walker's natural running path, what do you want him to do?
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I love this debate. Not a pen for me. Stonewall for others. Now we know why the ref’s job is so hard. And why VAR is pointless. Just let the ref make the decision and live with it.
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I love this debate. Not a pen for me. Stonewall for others. Now we know why the ref’s job is so hard. And why VAR is pointless. Just let the ref make the decision and live with it.
It’s the inconsistency that everyone hates. I’m more than good with it being the ref. So if he with his assistants don’t see it then fine. But you know that the next game that is going to VAR and they are awarding it for another team.
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Mings having a good old chuckle at full time there.
Yes I saw that, he should give his head a fucking good wobble. Don't like to see that.
Or perhaps he’s just played a team sport , came up against one of his old colleagues and had a bit of a natter. Doesn’t make him a bad person.
I've never understood why people care about these things.
Maybe I’m old school but, after what should be viewed as a disappointing result and the performance he put in, it wasn’t a great look.
Fine, Mings and Tuanzebe were team mates - shake hands, say good game. But don’t stand there straight after the whistle laughing your head off like you’ve just seen Del Boy falling through the bar for the first time.
Have you played team sport ?
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That sounds like he’ll go full strength against Liverpool.
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The thing with today is that if you were doing a combined 11 - even with our changes - I doubt any Burnley player gets in. That tells you everything about application and focus. I get that Thursday was a huge deal, but you have to take care of the bread and butter. It’s essential we qualify for the Champions League, and I think of everyone involved only Ollie and possibly Barkley can look at themselves and say they performed to their ability. I might add Konsa too, at a push.
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Mings having a good old chuckle at full time there.
Yes I saw that, he should give his head a fucking good wobble. Don't like to see that.
Or perhaps he’s just played a team sport , came up against one of his old colleagues and had a bit of a natter. Doesn’t make him a bad person.
I've never understood why people care about these things.
Maybe I’m old school but, after what should be viewed as a disappointing result and the performance he put in, it wasn’t a great look.
Fine, Mings and Tuanzebe were team mates - shake hands, say good game. But don’t stand there straight after the whistle laughing your head off like you’ve just seen Del Boy falling through the bar for the first time.
Have you played team sport ?
Hmm… it’s not exactly a game of 5 a side down at Goals though, there’s a bit more riding on this. Fair enough if some are ok with it, but it irritated me. Ron Saunders would never have stood for it!
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Buendia has his ankle/foot trodden on so I just assumed it would be given as a pen. Any top 4 team would get that decision..
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The thing with today is that if you were doing a combined 11 - even with our changes - I doubt any Burnley player gets in. That tells you everything about application and focus. I get that Thursday was a huge deal, but you have to take care of the bread and butter. It’s essential we qualify for the Champions League, and I think of everyone involved only Ollie and possibly Barkley can look at themselves and say they performed to their ability. I might add Konsa too, at a push.
McGinn and all the subs worked hard.
I think Mings is just off the pace now, Cash had an uncharacteristic (for this season) poor game. Maatsen was poor/potentially not good enough. Tielemans looked knackered, Rogers ditto. Barkley was ok, even though he scored nothing more.
I think now the team that started against Forest has to start against Liverpool and Freiburg barring injuries. Tiredness or not, its two huge games to get up for before a WC rest.
And I was thinking Friday was going to have an almost testimonial feel to it….jeopardy!!
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Such a waste. Sloppy beyond belief for both goals. Completely avoidable. It happens far too often.
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There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,
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I think we are papering over a lot of cracks at the moment..
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I think we are papering over a lot of cracks at the moment..
I don’t really. I think there is one large Kamara shaped crack, a smaller Onana shaped crack and a Rogers crack that sometimes disappears
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It all came from the back, too slow and no incisive passes.
It was, though I thought Mings' passing was a bit more incisive than his performances of late.
Peak Buendia when he came on. Ollie was also at it. Everyone else was poor.
Feel like I've seen that exact Cash mistake half a dozen times this season. As soon as he shaped to come inside, I knew they were going to score. Bit harsh, given his overall contribution this season, but very frustrating.
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Some overreactions here.
We aren't the first team to be distracted by a final. Going deep in a cup competition is hard for precisely this reason.
Look at how many teams end up properly sacrificing the league when they go deep in a cup.
We are still 4 points clear of Bournemouth who have Man City up next.
I’m more concerned with Brighton, they have two very winnable games
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Sky don't deem the Buendia foul worthy of inclusion in the highlights. QED, Villa fans are wrong.
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Poor result, that said normally I would have said this point is enough, the problem is we have Liverpool and Man City to play and a final stuck in the middle, its all still to do.
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Poo
But we can sort it Friday
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A lot of that performance down to fatigue.
What I don’t get is why Rogers plays for 90 minutes when he is obviously totally fcukd.
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A lot of that perfusion down to fatigue.
What I don’t get is why Rogers plays for 90 minutes when he is obviously totally fcukd.
I feel like the story behind this is waiting to come out. It is inexplicable
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I struggle to understand how standing on someone’s foot , taking their boot off without touching the ball is not a penalty.
Once the ref does the 2 hand cutting signal VAR are never going to review it.
BTW Taylor is a xxnt.
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Walker's a twat. He took his penis out in a bar and showed it to a woman a couple of years ago while his kids slept soundly at home.
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Yeah it’s annoying - but to be honest we shouldn’t be relying on a late penalty call against Burnley. If we had turned up today we’d have won, we didn’t and so we didn’t.
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Yeah it’s annoying - but to be honest we shouldn’t be relying on a late penalty call against Burnley. If we had turned up today we’d have won, we didn’t and so we didn’t.
Paul I largely agree with your postings, but cmon successful teams have been relying on such moments for ever, football history is littered with them. Arsenal got one today.
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Sure I get it - but we gifted a really poor side two goals today. It’s a ropey decision, but just approach the game with more intent and we win. Conceding after we went in front is particularly bad.
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I thought we played reasonably and created more than enough chances to comfortably put this game to bed, although granted, our play was incredibly sloppy at times. It’s not unreasonable that some of the playes were gassed. Cash in particular. The big problem is the drop off in our back ups. In particular great servant but Mings looks done as a top half of the league player. Tiredness may impact concentration levels as both goals we conceded were sloppy in the extreme. Let’s not ignore the disgraceful decision at the end.
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Sure I get it - but we gifted a really poor side two goals today. It’s a ropey decision, but just approach the game with more intent and we win. Conceding after we went in front is particularly bad.
Yes, our defending down our left hand side was bad again and they took advatage. After Spurs, I didn't think we'd try Mings and Maatsen again.
Buendía got caught right in front of us, and it looked like a penalty. There is no guarantee with us that we would score, but it looks like we will go a whole season now without a penalty in the league.
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We absolutely shouldn't be relying on a late pen v Burnley. But when you play badly then you'd hope key decisions are made correctly now we have VAR. Every side in the PL will have matches like that and a decision is key to the result whether a good or bad performance. We score that pen, Brighton are out and Bournemouth have no room for error. Add in a red we know they got wrong previously as they admitted it and there's top 5 wrapped up and we can do what we want last 2 games. Instead we're still catchable so the mentality of a few clubs are now different.
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Obviously it wasn't great but we were unlucky with the offside goal and we missed some great chances. SJM should of buried the header in the second half. We will beat Liverpool on Friday.
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Obviously it wasn't great but we were unlucky with the offside goal and we missed some great chances. SJM should of buried the header in the second half. We will beat Liverpool on Friday.
Thought he should have headed back across goal to Watkins.
Too many tired today. Lindelof and Tielemans didn’t really compete in the midfield which gave them a lot of space,
Worst thing was a bloke in a fez (which made him about a foot taller) standing on tip toes in front of me when we were attacking!
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It's almost unbelievable that the 5th best side in the country can go a whole season without being fouled in the penalty area.
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Our League Season on a whole has been weird, 3 months of title winning form sandwiched by a load of old shit.
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It's almost unbelievable that the 5th best side in the country can go a whole season without being fouled in the penalty area.
We have had 5 in 14 games in Europe without playing any different to we have in the league.
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We weren’t that bad at all going forward. Just crap at taking our chances.
Bad defence though.
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The thing with today is that if you were doing a combined 11 - even with our changes - I doubt any Burnley player gets in. That tells you everything about application and focus. I get that Thursday was a huge deal, but you have to take care of the bread and butter. It’s essential we qualify for the Champions League, and I think of everyone involved only Ollie and possibly Barkley can look at themselves and say they performed to their ability. I might add Konsa too, at a push.
Emery didn't help matters though. The subs could and should have been ran at a lot sooner again today. Buendia and Digne were very sharp, even Bailey was ok and Luiz did ok too. The first one should have been Torres for Mings. Finish line fever seems to be getting to Emery, doesnt do early or proactive changes anymore.
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Does any other team on the planet go from the Sublime to the Bloody Ridiculous as well as Villa do ?
Maatsen, Mings, Cash and Rogers should be on today's list for shitness. Garbage, the four of them. Unai almost made the list too, subs came on way too late.
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We have the problem that we cannot rest players and keep consistancy, we just do not have the quality in the squad and having to play twice a week for long stretches finds us out. When you start our best players on the pitch then look at the bench there is no-one there to come on that would be equal to the player coming off. Rogers should have been rested weeks ago but who replaces him, Pau gets a rest but Mings bless him is not the same standard. We have done well to hang on all things considered.
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There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,
Of course there is not every foul is intentional
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We have the problem that we cannot rest players and keep consistancy, we just do not have the quality in the squad and having to play twice a week for long stretches finds us out. When you start our best players on the pitch then look at the bench there is no-one there to come on that would be equal to the player coming off. Rogers should have been rested weeks ago but who replaces him, Pau gets a rest but Mings bless him is not the same standard. We have done well to hang on all things considered.
Agree , sadly we don’t have the luxury of buying duds, but that is what we keep doing
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I love this debate. Not a pen for me. Stonewall for others. Now we know why the ref’s job is so hard. And why VAR is pointless. Just let the ref make the decision and live with it.
It’s the inconsistency that everyone hates. I’m more than good with it being the ref. So if he with his assistants don’t see it then fine. But you know that the next game that is going to VAR and they are awarding it for another team.
I think that is Lee S point - some Villa fans think it was 100% a penalty and others don’t. Inconsistency is another word for difference of opinion.
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We have the problem that we cannot rest players and keep consistancy, we just do not have the quality in the squad and having to play twice a week for long stretches finds us out. When you start our best players on the pitch then look at the bench there is no-one there to come on that would be equal to the player coming off. Rogers should have been rested weeks ago but who replaces him, Pau gets a rest but Mings bless him is not the same standard. We have done well to hang on all things considered.
Totally agree. Given that Emery is all for conserving energy all the conservation isn’t quite enough. If we do make CL by whatever route we will need to bring in genuine quality who hit the ground running.
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I reckon Antony Taylor would have ruled out Ollie's goal had VAR not been there.
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Our main problem is recruitment, how much stronger would we look with JJ and Malen in the squad. I don't know who's in charge but taking other clubs left overs on loan replacing them has left us much weaker, JJs through pass yesterday was sublime for the geordies how we could do with him now. It's obvious Unai knows his stuff because all the newcomers are bench warmers. I know we are shackled by unfair conditions, it makes it even more important to get recruitment right, it seems the two clubs challenging us know how to do it.
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There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,
Of course there is not every foul is intentional
Well it is an accident or a foul so you can both be right. In this case they were ruling that Walker's foot was always coming down there and Buendia's foot moving after the fact. Personally I don't think this is the case. Buendia was in front of Walker and already moving his leg before Walker did so it is up to Walker not to make contact. If that isn't a penalty, half the penalties in the Prem aren't given.
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There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,
Of course there is not every foul is intentional
Well it is an accident or a foul so you can both be right. In this case they were ruling that Walker's foot was always coming down there and Buendia's foot moving after the fact. Personally I don't think this is the case. Buendia was in front of Walker and already moving his leg before Walker did so it is up to Walker not to make contact. If that isn't a penalty, half the penalties in the Prem aren't given.
Whether it’s an accident or intentional it’s a foul. Referees haven’t got the ability to differentiate between the two in a split second and in any case he wasn’t aware of his foot positioning and hit Buendia as a result. Like on Thursday night where the Forest brute was going for the ball with his head and lwas nowhere near the ball and walloped Ollie instead. Another penalty we should have been awarded.
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No, I was being slightly pedantic as an "accidental foul" is not a term. It is a foul if it is called a foul by the official, they don't blow a whistle and go "accidental foul", they go "foul". If it isn't called one, then it is not a foul officially. An accidental coming together would be the suited term then.
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Thought it was a blatant penalty myself on Buendia. Sure he is being clever but that's hardly an excuse for Walker standing on the back of his heel. Mindless defending that should have been punished.
We didn't deserve three points though.
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A lacklustre performance and disappointing result but we have won plenty of games this season playing in a similar way. The difference this time were 2 totally needless goals conceded due to basic mistakes by experienced players. We’ve still got 2 shots at making the Champions League next season and winning a trophy in the process. We’ve had worse seasons.
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Another huge opportunity missed yesterday. So frustrating. The team are looking for the same few players to make things happen. Rogers needs a rest, became more of a liability as the game went on.
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Yes Chris you are right. However, we should be CL Qualified already and all focus on the final. At this stage it’s inconceivable that there’s a chance we could end up with nothing that gets us to the CL. That would be a disaster.
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I reckon Antony Taylor would have ruled out Ollie's goal had VAR not been there.
I read that Ollie said Taylor was going to var but told him he thought the goal was good (or something like that)
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There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,
Of course there is not every foul is intentional
You're right of course, but I suspect what he meant was "just because it was accidental, doesn't mean it's not a foul". Deliberate fouls often result in yellow cards - just because you didn't mean it doesn't mean it's not a foul.
I would have no issue with us not getting a penalty, IF it was consistent for everyone else, but we've seen so many pens given, for so much less, that we know this incident is a penalty 90% of the time elsewhere. The Bruno penalty against us when he stood on (I think Konsa's) foot. What we need, is an explanation WHY it was not a penalty. If it's because the ref just saw it as an "accidental coming together", then fine, but I will expect to see zero pens given for similar incidents next season.
But of course we know that the moment someone like Bruno steps across a defender and gets clipped, it will be a guaranteed penalty.
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9 points out of a possible 45 in the league now is it? The cup run has certainly papered over the cracks. Something needs to change in the summer otherwise I think this side will struggle next year.
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I expect without the cup run we would have had more points though. But something definitely needs to change, on that we are agreed and we can see what Olabe finally brings to the table with hopefully less contraints on the finances.
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It's not quite that bad. Nine points from our last 10, 16 from our last 15. Relegation form.
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We seem to start so slowly when playing away from home which allows the opposition to gain confidence and momentum. We then struggle to up our tempo when necessary. It's something that needs addressing.
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Pretty poor that when we are so close to securing CL, we throw in 3x league games, against poor teams, where we just cant seem to find another gear to move into. All a bit flat.
We've been lacking attacking options off the bench all season and here was another.
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We are 16th in the table since Chelsea away. That's way beyond a blip. We have been very unlucky with midfield injuries but, even so, our plan B is not good enough and Luiz was not the player we needed. We are among the best teams on Earth when all our midfield are fit, but thoroughly mediocre when they aren't. Have to strengthen the midfield in the summer so we aren't totally fucked whenever Kamara and/or Onana are missing.
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9 points out of a possible 45 in the league now is it? The cup run has certainly papered over the cracks. Something needs to change in the summer otherwise I think this side will struggle next year.
Yes, we're in the relegation places over the last 9 games which for a team supposedly pushing for the Champions League is absolutely woeful.
Major clear-out required in the summer.
Bailey, Abraham, Guessand, Onana, Mings, Garcia, Maatsen and maybe one or two others we should be looking to offload. Not sure what we'd get for a couple of them though.
Squad needs a massive refresh.
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There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,
Of course there is not every foul is intentional
You're right of course, but I suspect what he meant was "just because it was accidental, doesn't mean it's not a foul". Deliberate fouls often result in yellow cards - just because you didn't mean it doesn't mean it's not a foul.
I would have no issue with us not getting a penalty, IF it was consistent for everyone else, but we've seen so many pens given, for so much less, that we know this incident is a penalty 90% of the time elsewhere. The Bruno penalty against us when he stood on (I think Konsa's) foot. What we need, is an explanation WHY it was not a penalty. If it's because the ref just saw it as an "accidental coming together", then fine, but I will expect to see zero pens given for similar incidents next season.
But of course we know that the moment someone like Bruno steps across a defender and gets clipped, it will be a guaranteed penalty.
Can think of Diallo and Cunha winning pens for them with absolutely minimal contact this season off the top of my head, the Cunha one of course not even being inside the box.
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9 points out of a possible 45 in the league now is it? The cup run has certainly papered over the cracks. Something needs to change in the summer otherwise I think this side will struggle next year.
Yes, we're in the relegation places over the last 9 games which for a team supposedly pushing for the Champions League is absolutely woeful.
Major clear-out required in the summer.
Bailey, Abraham, Guessand, Onana, Mings, Garcia, Maatsen and maybe one or two others we should be looking to offload. Not sure what we'd get for a couple of them though.
Squad needs a massive refresh.
Abraham can work if we got decent wingers in and changed styles. I suspect it would depend on whether we want to do that work but we could be making lots of other personnel changes as you have listed.
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Abraham screamed panic buy. I love Tammy but he really isn’t suited to our system and if he couldn’t get on yesterday you have to question the reasoning. For a side with limited money we don’t half fritter it away sometimes.
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Abraham screamed panic buy. I love Tammy but he really isn’t suited to our system and if he couldn’t get on yesterday you have to question the reasoning. For a side with limited money we don’t half fritter it away sometimes.
Or it could be he is having to learn the Unai way and as we know the likes of Youri et al went through this process
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In his pre presser Emery said Tammy was still adapting and it would take time. Maybe he still has a role.
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Fair enough.
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Abraham screamed panic buy. I love Tammy but he really isn’t suited to our system and if he couldn’t get on yesterday you have to question the reasoning. For a side with limited money we don’t half fritter it away sometimes.
I don't think he was a panic buy as Emery has wanted him for a while i think.
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There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,
Of course there is not every foul is intentional
You're right of course, but I suspect what he meant was "just because it was accidental, doesn't mean it's not a foul". Deliberate fouls often result in yellow cards - just because you didn't mean it doesn't mean it's not a foul.
I would have no issue with us not getting a penalty, IF it was consistent for everyone else, but we've seen so many pens given, for so much less, that we know this incident is a penalty 90% of the time elsewhere. The Bruno penalty against us when he stood on (I think Konsa's) foot. What we need, is an explanation WHY it was not a penalty. If it's because the ref just saw it as an "accidental coming together", then fine, but I will expect to see zero pens given for similar incidents next season.
But of course we know that the moment someone like Bruno steps across a defender and gets clipped, it will be a guaranteed penalty.
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There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,
Of course there is not every foul is intentional
You're right of course, but I suspect what he meant was "just because it was accidental, doesn't mean it's not a foul". Deliberate fouls often result in yellow cards - just because you didn't mean it doesn't mean it's not a foul.
I would have no issue with us not getting a penalty, IF it was consistent for everyone else, but we've seen so many pens given, for so much less, that we know this incident is a penalty 90% of the time elsewhere. The Bruno penalty against us when he stood on (I think Konsa's) foot. What we need, is an explanation WHY it was not a penalty. If it's because the ref just saw it as an "accidental coming together", then fine, but I will expect to see zero pens given for similar incidents next season.
But of course we know that the moment someone like Bruno steps across a defender and gets clipped, it will be a guaranteed penalty.
I couldnt agree more there is definitely a bias when it comes to 50/50 decisions , and for the record i though it was a penalty if my post came across as having a dig at youre comment it wasnt meant that way and i apologise.
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9 points out of a possible 45 in the league now is it? The cup run has certainly papered over the cracks. Something needs to change in the summer otherwise I think this side will struggle next year.
Need CL football to help fund the necessary changes. Beggars belief that we appear on verging of throwing it away...again.
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We don’t - we need one win from our remaining three games to make it.