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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on February 14, 2026, 07:43:44 PM
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No complaints, one of the dumbest performances i've seen from us.
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Sod the FA cup, nothing but bad memories for me
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You don’t make that many mistakes and win matches.
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Concerning loss of home form continues.
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Yeah Newcastle weren't that good, we made it easy for them with the sending off and poor defending. Missed Konsa.
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Utter wank and fuck off bbc
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Think I'd be happy if they just abolished this fucking competition altogether.
No good can come from it.
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That was monumentally fucking shit.
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Never lose that if we had 11. Thought they were crap until then.
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Sod the FA cup, nothing but bad memories for me
Yeah, I’m more concerned about retaining top 5 league position tbh given injuries we have.
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Idotiotic performance. Bizot, stupid challenge. Digne is doing some really poor stuff at the moment.
Bogarde is a young player, but heading back - not under pressure - centrally, and then an abysmal pass cost us two goals (albeit the first was a hell of a hit). It’s tough, but that is not good enough - he doesn’t offer anything in an attacking sense, he has to be defensively better. Hopefully it’s a learning experience.
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They were hard done by with some of the decisions but never felt worried all the time we had 11 on the pitch. Lindelof/Torres not to blame but the 3rd was a disaster from Bogarde. One of those days. Newcastle fans are the sort you hate to see enjoying themselves at VP. And yes if the BBC can mention Bruno out once more please cos they haven’t told us in the last 30 secs. We’ve got 3 out!
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Unai obviously has no interest in the FA Cup and it showed.
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I'm still not over the semi from last year so not fussed. The obsession will be back next January.
Good luck to Newcastle but I wish the media would speak up for us once in a while.
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It’s like we’re on a mission to ensure we win absolutely fuck all, we do everything we can to make sure it doesn’t happen.
Can’t believe that shit today.
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Bizot has been a good signing but he fucked it up royally tonight.
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Yeah Newcastle weren't that good, we made it easy for them with the sending off and poor defending. Missed Konsa.
If you meant because he should have played RB instead of Bogarde, maybe (although Bogarde didn't do much wrong until that final pass). But Lindy and Torres weren't really at fault for any of the goals.
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I'm still not over the semi from last year so not fussed. The obsession will be back next January.
Good luck to Newcastle but I wish the media would speak up for us once in a while.
Well, considering how fast we turn on ourselves is it any surprise? Nervous energy around the place since January. Very obvious players trying to get the fans going.
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Unai obviously has no interest in the FA Cup and it showed.
Like others have mentioned, I’ve very few good memories of it.
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It's not the end of the world, we're never winning this cup again, anyway, are we?
However, it's worrying how often we've looked shit for weeks now.
Playing with 10 is hard (unless you're playing against us, obviously), but that second half was truly pathetic, just laughably shite.
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Shite. Pathetic. Embarrassing.
We’re really struggling with all our injuries and competing in 3 competitions isn't sustainable, so getting dumped out of the FA Cup isn’t the end of the world.
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Unai obviously has no interest in the FA Cup and it showed.
He sent out a strong side. He didn’t look gutted when we scored. He didn’t tell Bizot to be an idiot and get sent off.
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No complaints. Brainless at times. I’ve complained about some if the decisions going against this season but my god the ref had a shocker for us today. First goal offside, Digne should probably have been sent off and then he clearly handles inside the box but the officials give a free kick outside?!? More concerning is the fact that this 3 home losses out of the last 4 home games. Fortress VP no more.
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Yeah, I’m more concerned about retaining top 5 league position tbh given injuries we have.
I'll be more upset if we fail to beat Leeds next week. Europa League and/or a CL spot via the league are our priorities this season.
No injuries, and we're a week closer to getting a couple of key players back.
Sorry, if that's not romantic enough on Valentine's day.
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Shite. Pathetic. Embarrassing.
We’re really struggling with all our injuries and competing in 3 competitions isn't sustainable, so getting dumped out of the FA Cup isn’t the end of the world.
The idea is to try and win cups.
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It's not the end of the world, we're never winning this cup again, anyway, are we?
However, it's worrying how often we've looked shit for weeks now.
Playing with 10 is hard (unless you're playing against us, obviously), but that second half was truly pathetic, just laughably shite.
It’s not just the specific players we have lost that arguably all start for a top 6/7 side. Certainly Kamara and Tielemans. But it’s the structure that Emery bangs on about that’s been broken. To lose all three almost at the same time has been a huge blow to how we operate. Almost impossible to correct in such a short space of time.
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Unai obviously has no interest in the FA Cup and it showed.
He sent out a strong side. He didn’t look gutted when we scored. He didn’t tell Bizot to be an idiot and get sent off.
Yeah don’t agree with that. Considering the injuries that was a strong side. Many said after the last league match to play Tammy and Ross and we missed the passing of Torres.
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Ah well, the FA Cup misery continues. Onwards….
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Everything went in our favour except the stupidity of a goalkeeper. Our goal was offside, they should have had a penalty, digne was lucky not to be sent off. What gets into these keepers brains, just do not foul, if they score we still have eleven players on the pitch. We were well into the game before the sending off, just a clown show.
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Bizot Bizot Bizot
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Yeah, I’m more concerned about retaining top 5 league position tbh given injuries we have.
I'll be more upset if we fail to beat Leeds next week. Europa League and/or a CL spot via the league are our priorities this season.
No injuries, and we're a week closer to getting a couple of key players back.
Sorry, if that's not romantic enough on Valentine's day.
This is the thing isn’t it, CL football is the key to long term competitiveness. I suppose it’s sad but we don’t have the luxury of gunning on all fronts. Although this was a strong team and until Bizot headloss I didn’t think Newcastle were worrying us that much, even if the midfield looked, understandably, weak.
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On a trip to London with Mrs TD for Valentine's, so didn't have to suffer it. My only comments are:
- Last year was the season to get the Cup monkey off our back and we fucked it up.
- Of greater concern is that our home form has gone to shit.
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No complaints. Brainless at times. I’ve complained about some if the decisions going against this season but my god the ref had a shocker for us today. First goal offside, Digne should probably have been sent off and then he clearly handles inside the box but the officials give a free kick outside?!? More concerning is the fact that this 3 home losses out of the last 4 home games. Fortress VP no more.
But how are we expected to keep such a fine record when we lose 3 vital players? We have no way of replacing them so surely this dip in form is fully expected, hence our dismay at the injuries?
We are in a shitty run but need to ride it out until SJM and Youri are back. They are not the be all and end all but fuck me they help.
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Won’t see Tielemans for another two months.
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However, it's worrying how often we've looked shit for weeks now.
It’s not surprising or rocket science is it? Any team in the world losing the players we’ve lost in midfield, would seriously affect their performance and probably mood in the camp.
Then losing Cash, who’s arguably our player of the season, is yet another massive blow.
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Everything went in our favour except the stupidity of a goalkeeper. Our goal was offside, they should have had a penalty, digne was lucky not to be sent off. What gets into these keepers brains, just do not foul, if they score we still have eleven players on the pitch. We were well into the game before the sending off, just a clown show.
you'd have thought we would have learnt that lesson from losing CL football for the same thing at Old Trafford...brainless. Fortress Villa Park has turned into wet cardboard
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There's far bigger fish to fry this season, if we want to progress further, we have to get champions league football next year.
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That was shocking why can't we route 1 shit teams like Arsenal and Brentford do? Newcastle are a shit team BTW
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No complaints. Brainless at times. I’ve complained about some if the decisions going against this season but my god the ref had a shocker for us today. First goal offside, Digne should probably have been sent off and then he clearly handles inside the box but the officials give a free kick outside?!? More concerning is the fact that this 3 home losses out of the last 4 home games. Fortress VP no more.
But how are we expected to keep such a fine record when we lose 3 vital players? We have no way of replacing them so surely this dip in form is fully expected, hence our dismay at the injuries?
We are in a shitty run but need to ride it out until SJM and Youri are back. They are not the be all and end all but fuck me they help.
Because we have to. What other choice do we have. Onana, Barkley and Dougie whilst not at the same level are more than adequate alternatives. We should be more than capable of taking of taking more than zero points at home against Everton and brentford.
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Hopefully Cash back for Leeds and SJM for Wolves.
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Brilliant. We gave up Kamara and a title challenge for that cup ‘run.’
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Bottle job Villa again
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Brilliant. We gave up Kamara and a title challenge for that cup ‘run.’
Injuries can happen any time any place. That’s a ridiculous thing to say.
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That was shocking why can't we route 1 shit teams like Arsenal and Brentford do? Newcastle are a shit team BTW
We don't have the pace like those teams do, but we were playing it long and getting the results in the first half. Second half we only had Tammy to aim at for most of it which played into Newcastle's hands.
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What a knob bizot is
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Disappointing as we played quite well first half, best football for weeks and Bailey, Tammy had really good chances to go 2 up. But game changed on red and some kamikaze plays. Thought Emery made a mess of our tactical setup with 10, two up top was insanity with likes of Barkley blowing a gasket in midfield. Never gave us a chance.
Positives for me were our three returnees. Barkley got much needed minutes in his legs. Bogarde solid against Barnes and Lindelof very good again. Negatives, Bizot's moment of madness aside, Digne was appalling and should have been sent off. Not sure about Torres form either. Buendia poor off the bench.
Bizot 0 - killed us
Bogarde 6 - crazy pass at end spoiled a fine defensive performance v Barnes
Lindelof 8 - very good yet again, not sure he should be fourth choice CB
Torres 5 - distribution very meh, not sure about him at all currently
Digne 1 - poor even before that crazy tackle on Murphy, more refereeing incompetence denied them a penalty, looked utterly finished
Onana 6 - average enough first half but did try hard in second. Limited on ball as ever
Luiz 7 - outstanding first half I thought, beggars belief a player this good couldn't make Forest team. Tired as expected in second
Bailey 7 - divided opinions when on pitch, crazy decision to go for a cross field pass that led to red card but up to then I was impressed. Direct, good touch, strong on ball, poor decision making but kept trying to do the right thing. Missed a bit of a sitter but positive signs for me. Awful decision to hook him first
Rogers 6 - really good first half out on the left for a change. Needed a lot more from him after half time but should have been left where he was
Abraham 7 - very good first half, fortunate goal but hold up play, touch and workrate caused problems and might have got him starting spot v Leeds
Barkley 4 - in need of the run to put it mildly, should have gone first. Will benefit from it
Difficult for any sub to get into it, Sancho showed some nice touches in that inoffensive manner of his. Disappointed in Buendia. Good that we got likes of Tammy, Luiz and Rogers off the pitch relatively early.
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No complaints. Brainless at times. I’ve complained about some if the decisions going against this season but my god the ref had a shocker for us today. First goal offside, Digne should probably have been sent off and then he clearly handles inside the box but the officials give a free kick outside?!? More concerning is the fact that this 3 home losses out of the last 4 home games. Fortress VP no more.
But how are we expected to keep such a fine record when we lose 3 vital players? We have no way of replacing them so surely this dip in form is fully expected, hence our dismay at the injuries?
We are in a shitty run but need to ride it out until SJM and Youri are back. They are not the be all and end all but fuck me they help.
Because we have to. What other choice do we have. Onana, Barkley and Dougie whilst not at the same level are more than adequate alternatives. We should be more than capable of taking of taking more than zero points at home against Everton and brentford.
Absolutely we should but there were two appalling decisions that didn't help, no one said a word but when something goes in our favour it's a travesty.
Tonight was a missed opportunity because of some brainless play but we are still in a good position in the other two competitions.
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Think I’d rather lose to the Blues than that shower of ******.
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Bizot can fuck off tonight. Scandalous.
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Ah well, the FA Cup misery continues. Onwards….
Just a particularly frustrating and unnecessary way to go out though!
As you say, onwards...
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Why can’t we play like that against ten men?
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Think I’d rather lose to the Blues than that shower of ******.
Steady on!
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No complaints. Brainless at times. I’ve complained about some if the decisions going against this season but my god the ref had a shocker for us today. First goal offside, Digne should probably have been sent off and then he clearly handles inside the box but the officials give a free kick outside?!? More concerning is the fact that this 3 home losses out of the last 4 home games. Fortress VP no more.
But how are we expected to keep such a fine record when we lose 3 vital players? We have no way of replacing them so surely this dip in form is fully expected, hence our dismay at the injuries?
We are in a shitty run but need to ride it out until SJM and Youri are back. They are not the be all and end all but fuck me they help.
Because we have to. What other choice do we have. Onana, Barkley and Dougie whilst not at the same level are more than adequate alternatives. We should be more than capable of taking of taking more than zero points at home against Everton and brentford.
Absolutely we should but there were two appalling decisions that didn't help, no one said a word but when something goes in our favour it's a travesty.
Tonight was a missed opportunity because of some brainless play but we are still in a good position in the other two competitions.
More than two appalling decisions as I’ve banged on about for awhile. We got the decisions go in favour today and still made a royal mess of taking advantage of them.
I’d rather have had the three points from the league match against them rather than progress in the cup. Our current squad can’t compete on 3 fronts.
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Brilliant. We gave up Kamara and a title challenge for that cup ‘run.’
That argument says we should have played the u18s in case any first teamers got injured. It’s painful to lose but our issue is squad depth, not individual injuries.
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We were fine until Bailey did his Bambi on Ice impression (he falls over a lot, doesn't he?) and Bizot basically threw the game.
They should fine him a month's wages for that, it was utterly moronic.
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Tonali stepped up for them today. We need our fifty million man in midfield to dominate games. He’s been ok, but like Unai says, we need more ..
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Agree with most of Brontes ratings here apart from Torres who was a 3 or 4 maximum, absolutely dreadful.
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Never winning that after we went down to 10 men. We just hadn't got the players out there capable of scrapping out a result in those circumstances.
Obviously disappointed but if I'm totally honest, after the semi-final trip to Wembley last year and the importance of the other two competitions we're in, I can't say I'm devastated tonight. I don't like it at all, but we are in a footballing world where finishing 5th in the Premier League is a bigger prize than the domestic cup competitons.
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Why can’t we play like that against ten men?
Because we don't get a lucky deflection. If the Tammy goal had been given against Brentford and it was 1-1, I reckon we could have gone on and won. Before then Newcastle were having as much luck breaking us down we were against Brentford with that goal being their first on target.
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Agree with most of Brontes ratings here apart from Torres who was a 3 or 4 maximum, absolutely dreadful.
Not sure what he did wrong defensively to only earn a 3 or 4.
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All of the pivotal moments in the game (from a Villa viewpoint) came from mistakes by us - individually and collectively.
Red card Bailey’s no look pass to their defender lead to the through ball ending in Bizot's card.
Equaliser. Burns shoved Onana out of the way, allowing him to head the free-kick back to the edge of our box - nobody patrolling the D and we were too slow closing on Tonali.
2nd goal- we allow a cross - no pressure on the ball. Poor header out by Bogarde into a dangerous area. Then their midfielder is able to control the ball (unchallenged), pass it to Tonali (unmarked) who drills it bottom corner.
3rd goal Bogarde's daft pass, followed by two tackles, both of which just pushed the ball the wrong way.
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Brilliant. We gave up Kamara and a title challenge for that cup ‘run.’
That argument says we should have played the u18s in case any first teamers got injured. It’s painful to lose but our issue is squad depth, not individual injuries.
Kamara is irreplaceable no matter our squad depth, he should not be risked in the FA Cup as long as we have something to play for in the league or we are out of Europe. I will die on that hill.
I probably would have played the U18s too personally given the rare opportunity to go for the league, but I concede that is more controversial.
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I knew the moment that Bizot got sent off the day was done.
Sadly the debacle was at home and in front of a TV audience.
A little concerned as to how we actually get ourselves organised to sustain a PL place.
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Unai obviously has no interest in the FA Cup and it showed.
He sent out a strong side. He didn’t look gutted when we scored. He didn’t tell Bizot to be an idiot and get sent off.
Yeah don’t agree with that. Considering the injuries that was a strong side. Many said after the last league match to play Tammy and Ross and we missed the passing of Torres.
Replacing Tammy with Watkins was a clear as you'll find demonstration he'd given up.
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Brilliant. We gave up Kamara and a title challenge for that cup ‘run.’
That argument says we should have played the u18s in case any first teamers got injured. It’s painful to lose but our issue is squad depth, not individual injuries.
Kamara is irreplaceable no matter our squad depth, he should not be risked in the FA Cup as long as we have something to play for in the league or we are out of Europe. I will die on that hill.
I probably would have played the U18s too personally given the rare opportunity to go for the league, but I concede that is more controversial.
Gets my vote
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Why can’t we play like that against ten men?
We don’t have pace and we don’t adapt our approach when the opposition have 10 men.
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Why can’t we play like that against ten men?
Because we don't get a lucky deflection. If the Tammy goal had been given against Brentford and it was 1-1, I reckon we could have gone on and won. Before then Newcastle were having as much luck breaking us down we were against Brentford with that goal being their first on target.
He got the lucky deflection because he was prepared to shoot from outside the box whereas against Brentford Torres passed to konsa who passed it back then or passed to either bailey or cash at no time did anyone think i know ill try shooting for a change..
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All of the pivotal moments in the game (from a Villa viewpoint) came from mistakes by us - individually and collectively.
Red card Bailey’s no look pass to their defender lead to the through ball ending in Bizot's card.
Equaliser. Burns shoved Onana out of the way, allowing him to head the free-kick back to the edge of our box - nobody patrolling the D and we were too slow closing on Tonali.
2nd goal- we allow a cross - no pressure on the ball. Poor header out by Bogarde into a dangerous area. Then their midfielder is able to control the ball (unchallenged), pass it to Tonali (unmarked) who drills it bottom corner.
3rd goal Bogarde's daft pass, followed by two tackles, both of which just pushed the ball the wrong way.
Buendia was piss poor for the second and not great for the third either. Throw himself in front of that ball and we get a free out. Torres soft as shite on tackle. That utter donkey scoring put the tin hat on it
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I know it sounds a bit like a crazy conspiracy theory but I can’t help thinking that the officials wanted to prove that VAR was needed. Tammy was offside , Digne should have walked for that challenge. He was well inside the area They should have had a penalty. Three massive mistakes we would have been fuming if they were against us. Seems like they totally depend on VAR refereeing the game. We were struggling after we went down to 10.
Not too disappointing to be out of the Cup. CL qualification is really important along with Conference.
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Agree with most of Brontes ratings here apart from Torres who was a 3 or 4 maximum, absolutely dreadful.
Not sure what he did wrong defensively to only earn a 3 or 4.
Nothing. However, I disagree on Bogarde he made two errors for two of the goals.
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I'm gutted tonight...it was there on a plate for us with the lead... Bizots totally ferked that from every sense.. I'm totally with Brontë.. couldn't for the life of me understand the structure and balance we come out with in the second half...we rarely play 2 up front and it left us struggling to support the full backs, and they're a team that loves to get wide and put pressure there... getting off train at new st.. better cheer up as off to meet Mrs Cat....
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Why can’t we play like that against ten men?
Because we don't get a lucky deflection. If the Tammy goal had been given against Brentford and it was 1-1, I reckon we could have gone on and won. Before then Newcastle were having as much luck breaking us down we were against Brentford with that goal being their first on target.
He got the lucky deflection because he was prepared to shoot from outside the box whereas against Brentford Torres passed to konsa who passed it back then or passed to either bailey or cash at no time did anyone think i know ill try shooting for a change..
We 27 shots. Rogers was trying to get the ball onto the roof of the stand a couple of times and others were not much better.
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That was a huge fuck up all round.
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Unai obviously has no interest in the FA Cup and it showed.
He sent out a strong side. He didn’t look gutted when we scored. He didn’t tell Bizot to be an idiot and get sent off.
Yeah don’t agree with that. Considering the injuries that was a strong side. Many said after the last league match to play Tammy and Ross and we missed the passing of Torres.
Replacing Tammy with Watkins was a clear as you'll find demonstration he'd given up.
Not sure about that. Watkins should have been clean through, all down to how he pressed well and won the ball, but the ref gave a free kick.
Someone text me when we brought on Ollie and said it was a good sub, so it’s certainly a matter of opinion.
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Agree with most of Brontes ratings here apart from Torres who was a 3 or 4 maximum, absolutely dreadful.
Not sure what he did wrong defensively to only earn a 3 or 4.
Nothing. However, I disagree on Bogarde he made two errors for two of the goals.
I must have been mistaken when at least 4 of his clearances just sailed aimlessly into touch. He constantly played Digne into trouble whenever we tried to play out and a few times he looked incredibly timid with any higher ball towards him. He’s either carrying knock or is grossly out of form.
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I'm gutted tonight...it was there on a plate for us with the lead... Bizots totally ferked that from every sense.. I'm totally with Brontë.. couldn't for the life of me understand the structure and balance we come out with in the second half...we rarely play 2 up front and it left us struggling to support the full backs, and they're a team that loves to get wide and put pressure there... getting off train at new st.. better cheer up as off to meet Mrs Cat....
Clear as mud after that performance that modern refs and linos have no idea how to ref a game without the support/crutch/smokescreen of VAR.
If we'd have made it through tonight, then the Jaudis would (quite rightly) have had a lot to complain about.
The lino must have been daydreaming to miss Tammy being offside.
Digne's foul was borderline red.
Bizot's DOGSO red - really,? We had 2 or 3 defenders goalside.
Digne handball - was it a pen - could be argued either way that his arms were in a natural/unnatural position.
For their equaliser Burns pushed Onana to the ground before heading it back.
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I know it sounds a bit like a crazy conspiracy theory but I can’t help thinking that the officials wanted to prove that VAR was needed.
I doubrt they went "lets prove we need VAR", more this is just what matches used to be like without VAR. Sometimes offsides weren't given. Even in todays game the Digne challenge is given as a yellow 9/10 with VAR maybe correcting it 5 times out of 10. Just general incompetence from the ref for the handball, although I wonder if he would have been as quick to give it if he thought Digne was in the box.
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Given the manager's professionalism, our gormlessness beggars belief sometimes.
1-0 up in the last minute of the 1st half and we effectively lose the game within 30 seconds flat with 1. a ludicrous attempted Hollywood ball from Bailey 2. literally no-one at the back from their resultant pass and 3. Bizot's Hong Kong Phooey impression.
It's Keystone Kops stuff sometimes, absolutely witless.
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Pathetic, Bizot judgement to come out that far was yet another Villa goalkeeping moment of madness, what was he thinking, I thought the next massive mistake was taking Bailey off, we lost all attacking pressure on the right side surely Unai couldn't have believed we was going to defend deep for the whole of the 2nd half and survive, down to ten men you have to find a way to keep attacking, thought Barclay was almost invisible, thought Rogers was absolutely incredible in the first half, thought the link play between Rogers, Tammy and Bailey was very good.
Great pity because we can't foul up Europe now we have to win that.
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One moment of madness cost us. We were comfortable with 11 but with 10 never a chance. Midfield absolutely knackered with nothing off the bench really.
Luiz isn’t up to scratch yet, Onana appears scared to get injured and that’s all we have there for now as Barkley isn’t match fit.
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Bailey 7 - divided opinions when on pitch, crazy decision to go for a cross field pass that led to red card but up to then I was impressed. Direct, good touch, strong on ball, poor decision making but kept trying to do the right thing. Missed a bit of a sitter but positive signs for me. Awful decision to hook him first
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Most of your scores were reasonable, Bronte, but this is just wrongheaded. Bailey, despite trying to do the right things, was awful. And, he was bound to be hooked after Bizot's madness.
Our search for a right-sided midfield-winger continues.
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Annoying mistakes to lose the game, but hey! The DOW is over 50,000!
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Bailey 7 - divided opinions when on pitch, crazy decision to go for a cross field pass that led to red card but up to then I was impressed. Direct, good touch, strong on ball, poor decision making but kept trying to do the right thing. Missed a bit of a sitter but positive signs for me. Awful decision to hook him first
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Most of your scores were reasonable, Bronte, but this is just wrongheaded. Bailey, despite trying to do the right things, was awful. And, he was bound to be hooked after Bizot's madness.
Our search for a right-sided midfield-winger continues.
McGinn is back in a week or two. Agree to disagree on Bailey, our shape went to bits after he went off. At least he can run, Barkley can't.
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Annoying mistakes to lose the game, but hey! The DOW is over 50,000!
I don’t think it is.
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I thought Bailey was ok and he is one of the few players we have with pace - which we needed.
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I thought Bailey was ok and he is one of the few players we have with pace - which we needed.
If he has pace, he rarely uses it. He tends to zig zag, turn in etc. Never pushes the ball forward and try and beat the man, like a true winger does
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Why can’t we play like that against ten men?
We don’t have pace and we don’t adapt our approach when the opposition have 10 men.
Yes, compare our slow approach against Brentford's 10. You don't necessarily have to have a lot of pace, but you do have to play more quickly to stretch the opposition, which is what Newcastle were doing.
Also we didn't play very well with 10 tonight. Compare with Brentford again, where they maintained shape, closed down and blocked and cleared into less dangerous areas.
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Interesting reading th thread. I was in K5 and unanimously people were blaming Bailey for a shite pass for the red card. No excuse for it in injury time just hoof it back in. I haven’t seen the incident r back but thought Bizot came out too far too quickly.
Until the red card I thought they were toothless and didn’t bother us at all. That moment of idiocy cost us the game.
Really annoyed we couldn’t hold out longer down to 10 men when Brentford did a job on us for longer away from home, albeit aided by some poor decision making.
I was in K5 and atmosphere was excellent for most of the game, particularly beginning of second half to support the team, though lost belief after their second. You could barely hear Newcastle fans until their equaliser- poor for 6k fans.
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It’s a poor pass from Bailey, but we should never be so exposed in that situation given the state of the game.
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I thought Bailey was ok and he is one of the few players we have with pace - which we needed.
If he has pace, he rarely uses it. He tends to zig zag, turn in etc. Never pushes the ball forward and try and beat the man, like a true winger does
He plays on the wrong side so is always looking to slow down and cut inside on his stronger foot, he rarely gets to build up a head of steam. Although I think he is slower than he was.
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Given our injuries - I can live with this. Was a shame as looked really comfortable first half. Also slightly nervous that our home form seems to have gone (that said this game was a strange one!)
Was impressed with Tammy, Dougie, and even Bailey first half (Not a lot came on from Bailey - but he is undoubtably better than Guessard). Also thought Bogarde was good - despite the errors - he's having to carry a lot at the moment. Was disapointed with Digne - who put in his worse performance for us.
Bizot has been a great signing, but a fucking streaker would have handled that situation better.
Thought Linderloff and Pau were good. The midfield is so key to the way we play - and thought they were good in the first half. But they tired second half (understandably) and we didnt really have options. Think Sancho is looking sharpe - and did a few good things - interested to see how the rest of the season plays out because he could be a good signing if he finds his best form.
The FA cup is the one I have always wanted us to win, but understand that us getting CL football is a bigger and better achievement. So with that said - ill take this if we take 3 points against leeds next week.
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Shit decisions by us
Shit opposition
Shit officiating
Glad I went to the effort of swapping out of my shift this evening...
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It’s a poor pass from Bailey, but we should never be so exposed in that situation given the state of the game.
100% - bad pass but we couldnt have messed up the next 10 seconds more if we tried.
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Can’t play without a midfield. Dougie and Onana have shown they are hopeless and this cant go on. It puts the defence under pressure and gives us no control in home matches.
I would definitely take anything we can for Onana in the summer!
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Emery is clearly not arsed about the FA Cup. Some of the fringe players are clearly not up to it.
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Pretty calamitous really.
Newcastle had offered little up until Bizot went bananas. Don't understand why we got caught out like that in the first place.
Digne lucky to still be on the pitch my then though.
Positives? We won't capitulate in the semi final at Wembley this time. And we got through the game with no injuries, I think.
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Im ok with Onnana and Luiz. I think both currently struggle to do 90 minutes but think they are comfortably better than most midfields.
Tonali was excellent I thought, and is one of the best midfielders in the league.
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Emery is clearly not arsed about the FA Cup. Some of the fringe players are clearly not up to it.
Twaddle.
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Can’t play without a midfield. Dougie and Onana have shown they are hopeless and this cant go on.
And we are now totally reliant on them.
The alternatives are Barkley and Bogarde.
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Bizot, Marco Bizot, Marco Bizot, what a 42 carrot plonker.
1st option should have been to run back to his goal line defenders were running back, 2nd option was to try and push him wide but he choose the 3rd option to be stupid
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Unai obviously has no interest in the FA Cup and it showed.
Nah, we're just playing shite at the moment regardless of competition.
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Can’t play without a midfield. Dougie and Onana have shown they are hopeless and this cant go on. It puts the defence under pressure and gives us no control in home matches.
I would definitely take anything we can for Onana in the summer!
First half we were doing well against them with that midfield, albeit some silly mistakes. Second half Luiz and Barkley tired but Onana came into it well stopping their attacks, defending aerial balls and winning challenges in and around the box and made a tremedous run up the pitch with no one following to support him, especially with Roger down, so "won" a freekick.
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Emery is clearly not arsed about the FA Cup. Some of the fringe players are clearly not up to it.
Absolute bollocks from you. Bailey making a poor pass and Bizot making a stupid tackle 40 yards out has got fuck all to do with Unai.
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It was pretty much the strongest team he could put our bar Konsa and Lindy did really well in that position. But Unai obviously doesn't care for it.
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Emery is clearly not arsed about the FA Cup. Some of the fringe players are clearly not up to it.
Absolute bollocks from you. Bailey making a poor pass and Bizot making a stupid tackle 40 yards out has got fuck all to do with Unai.
He picked exactly the team I’d have picked. It was strong enough to beat that shower. Unless someone believes Unai asked Bizot to lose his brain then I don’t see how the manager can be blamed.
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I don’t think we should be too harsh on Bogarde. He’s not a right back.
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The team picked was fine. Bizot’s decision was terrible, but we were poor with 10 men. Individual failings lost us the game, rather than amazing Newcastle play. Also just generally we look really predictable and poor going forward at the moment - I know we’ve got injuries, but we are really lacking coherence and ideas.
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My theory is the officials totally forgot VAR wasn’t available and just switched off.
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At least we don't have to watch the draw now. Thank heaven for small mercies.
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Strange game, terrible officiating. Digne's tackle was a red, Abraham's goal was offside, Digne's handball was a yard inside the box, Bizot's headrush was childlike. We didn't create a lot in either half to be fair. Harvey Barnes is a diving cretin. Tonali was the difference between the sides, his second was a cracker. I hate losing but had we have won tonight, it would have felt like a travesty with the piss poor refereeing. Maatsen in the centre of midfield? Weird one but I guess we needed some energy in there and Kone wasn't trusted by Unai. Back to the league and finishing in the top five.
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Good riddance, what has the FA Cup done for us this season other than depriving us of one of our most important players.
Now focus on getting into theCL because that is the most important thing for where we are right now.
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Good riddance, what has the FA Cup done for us this season other than depriving us of one of our most important players.
Now focus on getting into theCL because that is the most important thing for where we are right now.
No, no and no. Better or best teams win the cups as proven over the last 30 plus years. CL qualification is not the most important thing, winning trophies is.
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Emery is clearly not arsed about the FA Cup. Some of the fringe players are clearly not up to it.
Absolute bollocks from you. Bailey making a poor pass and Bizot making a stupid tackle 40 yards out has got fuck all to do with Unai.
It’s not a criticism. I think he views it as our third priority and the team selection reflects that - it’s probably the right call given our injuries and league position. And you’ve just referenced game changing errors from two fringe players.
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They wanted it a lot more than us.
We were lucky it was only 3-1.
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Im ok with Onnana and Luiz. I think both currently struggle to do 90 minutes but think they are comfortably better than most midfields.
Tonali was excellent I thought, and is one of the best midfielders in the league.
Correct, and correct.
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Im ok with Onnana and Luiz. I think both currently struggle to do 90 minutes but think they are comfortably better than most midfields.
Tonali was excellent I thought, and is one of the best midfielders in the league.
Correct, and correct.
Agreed. The problem for Doug and Onana is there obviously isn’t much to support them right now. Barkley hopefully benefits from the minutes, but it’s a tough ask on them - particularly Doug given his last 18 months.
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Can’t play without a midfield. Dougie and Onana have shown they are hopeless and this cant go on. It puts the defence under pressure and gives us no control in home matches.
I would definitely take anything we can for Onana in the summer!
Onana was ok tonight and I'm not his biggest fan. Dougie was very good in first half. Emery sold the midfield out when we went down to 10, not a night for criticising them.
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Emery is clearly not arsed about the FA Cup. Some of the fringe players are clearly not up to it.
Absolute bollocks from you. Bailey making a poor pass and Bizot making a stupid tackle 40 yards out has got fuck all to do with Unai.
It’s not a criticism. I think he views it as our third priority and the team selection reflects that - it’s probably the right call given our injuries and league position. And you’ve just referenced game changing errors from two fringe players.
Yes I agree its not Unai's top priority but today it wasn't the reason we lost.
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When the equaliser went in my wife said "that was inevitable wasn't it..."
The lad and I stared at her as she never takes any notice of matches and she stared back as surprised as we were.
The whole thing was a (Jim Rose) circus from the 14th minute.
Anyway win the Europa thing and finish in a Champions League place please.
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Brilliant. We gave up Kamara and a title challenge for that cup ‘run.’
Cheap comment.
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Brilliant. We gave up Kamara and a title challenge for that cup ‘run.’
Cheap comment.
Yes. Someone else would say just fuck off but obviously not me.
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Given the manager's professionalism, our gormlessness beggars belief sometimes.
1-0 up in the last minute of the 1st half and we effectively lose the game within 30 seconds flat with 1. a ludicrous attempted Hollywood ball from Bailey 2. literally no-one at the back from their resultant pass and 3. Bizot's Hong Kong Phooey impression.
It's Keystone Kops stuff sometimes, absolutely witless.
Aye, for a team as supposedly well drilled as we are that was an awful lot of unforced errors to cram into 90 mins.
Maybe they've switched from detailed video analysis at Bodymoor Heath to watching Netflix instead.
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Since the Spurs game we have lost key players so I’m not fussed that we lost today. Focus on the other two and hope to get the players fit again (except Kamara sadly). Thought we played ok in the first half but we had many decisions go our way so we can’t complain. The Bizot moment was the key action. As others have said, we can’t play well against 10 men and we can’t play well when down to 10 men. It’s Unai’s rare weakness.
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Can’t play without a midfield. Dougie and Onana have shown they are hopeless and this cant go on. It puts the defence under pressure and gives us no control in home matches.
I would definitely take anything we can for Onana in the summer!
Onana was ok tonight and I'm not his biggest fan. Dougie was very good in first half. Emery sold the midfield out when we went down to 10, not a night for criticising them.
Can’t agree. They were both so poor even when we had eleven. Dougie may get better. At the moment the game just bypasses him. Onana is just poor and ineffective. In the games they’ve played we’ve just surrendered the middle of the pitch. Our attacks are basically breaks and our defence is under constant pressure.
I’m hopeful Unai will tackle this. He has to. This set up just doesn’t work. You can’t vacate the midfield.
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Losing today means that we will have two free weekends in March/April. So that might help.
We play West Ham at home on March 22nd and then don't play again in the league until Forest away on April 11th or 12th.
We would play in the Europa League QF 1st leg on April 9th if we get through the Round of 16.
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Can’t play without a midfield. Dougie and Onana have shown they are hopeless and this cant go on. It puts the defence under pressure and gives us no control in home matches.
I would definitely take anything we can for Onana in the summer!
Onana was ok tonight and I'm not his biggest fan. Dougie was very good in first half. Emery sold the midfield out when we went down to 10, not a night for criticising them.
Can’t agree. They were both so poor even when we had eleven. Dougie may get better. At the moment the game just bypasses him. Onana is just poor and ineffective. In the games they’ve played we’ve just surrendered the middle of the pitch. Our attacks are basically breaks and our defence is under constant pressure.
I’m hopeful Unai will tackle this. He has to. This best up just doesn’t work. You can’t vacate the midfield.
Dougie has come in after hardly playing for two years, he’s done ok, nothing more, but Im really not sure what you are expecting from him just now..
We were comfortably in control until Bizot lost his head. Shit pass from Bailey, but Bizot stays on his line, Murphy has a lot to do.
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Can’t play without a midfield. Dougie and Onana have shown they are hopeless and this cant go on. It puts the defence under pressure and gives us no control in home matches.
I would definitely take anything we can for Onana in the summer!
Onana was ok tonight and I'm not his biggest fan. Dougie was very good in first half. Emery sold the midfield out when we went down to 10, not a night for criticising them.
Can’t agree. They were both so poor even when we had eleven. Dougie may get better. At the moment the game just bypasses him. Onana is just poor and ineffective. In the games they’ve played we’ve just surrendered the middle of the pitch. Our attacks are basically breaks and our defence is under constant pressure.
I’m hopeful Unai will tackle this. He has to. This set up just doesn’t work. You can’t vacate the midfield.
Yet when it was 11 v 11, they completely outplayed the Newcastle duo. They were poor v Brighton alright, Onana especially so.
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It’s not very often I come away from the ground not overly upset by a defeat, today is an exception.
Had it been 11 against 11 I think we would have won.
But it wasn’t.
Bizot cost us the game through a moment of madness. Big Emi’s influence obviously runs deep.
Our second half performance was poor. We could not cope with the high press and energy of 11 v 10.
A couple of mentions though.
1. Lindelof - absolutely superb. Imperious in the first half, and excellent in the second.
2. Rogers - first half performance was as good as you will see.
3. Onana was very, very good.
4. Buendia can fuck right off. An absolute abortion of a performance in the time he was on the pitch.
5. Digne - what has happened there ?
Oh well. It’s approaching 70 years since we won the thing. What’s another year ?
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I'd love to know the thinking behind what led to the red card. When Bailey slips as he tries to do his job and keep an attack going he's actually our outfield player that's furthest back. What the fuck is every other player doing so far forward? Why is every outfield player in the final third?
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I thought Bailey was ok and he is one of the few players we have with pace - which we needed.
Bailey can be ok until the final pass/shot/cross. It’s all ‘ok’ until the second it actually matters.
He is the absolute definition of ‘all fart and no shit’.
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Anyone who’s saying it’s okay we could do without being in this can just fuck right off. I want to win this cup more than anything. And yes that includes champions league.
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Just home. Never like a defeat but I was happy with the first half and thought we controlled the game and made some very good chances. Can't remember a Bizot save. The Bailey pass combined with Bizot doing a Martinez killed us. Frustrating second half. I really didn't want to go out of the cup but it will give periods of much needed rest as we move into the business end of the season on two fronts.
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Burn looked offside and fouled Onana for Tonali's equaliser which would have gone straight to Martínez were it not for the deflection off Luiz. Evens up Tammy's goal.
Bizot's sending-off was just a needless gift .Our corner in half time injury time when we're winning, shouldn't lead to such a wide-open counter-attack but watching from the Upper Holte, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw how advanced Bizot was. Fucking brainless.
Our one spell of pressure in the second half from the 80th to the 85th minute was primarily the work of Sancho, fair play to him. We were reliant on the ball falling for us in the box from one of those corners. Don't think Newcastle deserved their third, but our playing out from the back regardless of how the game is going, bit us in the backside.
It did strike me that the slow build-up from the back in the first half was far more painful to watch when you don't have Tielemans to ping perfect passes, Kamara to take it, turn beautifully on the ball or McGinn's brute arse-force and dynamism. Then again, it was nice to have a break from Ezri and Ty's square balls to each other. Obviously Unai is incredible but when he does go, the consistent press-baiting tactic is something I would welcome being shaken up with an injection of pace from our defensive restarts.
Ended my unbeaten run of home Villa games in the flesh, only get to go a few times a season but Dec-19, 1-3 against Southampton was the last defeat I saw at Villa Park.
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I'd love to know the thinking behind what led to the red card. When Bailey slips as he tries to do his job and keep an attack going he's actually our outfield player that's furthest back. What the fuck is every other player doing so far forward? Why is every outfield player in the final third?
And especially right on the stroke of HT with a 1-0 lead. No need tactically to commit that many defenders forward.
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This result along with the one at Spurs keeps Eddie Howe in a job which is a good thing as they are very ordinary. I just can't see them really progressing with him as manager. 11 v 11 and I'm convinced we win that game.
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Not our day there's always next year fingers crossed.
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I don’t think Unai really believes the FA Cup is anything to be bothered about, and it shows.
From his team selection to the performances.
Just another season without an FA Cup win, we should be used to it.
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Emery's right, todays football is all about Europe, the quality, the money the ability to attract top talent. Maybe City, Chelsea and Liverpool can lose key players and still be competative with their squads, we can't. Lose two more, say Rogers and Cash for a reasonable amount of time and we are in deep trouble.
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He takes the FA Cup seriously. The team v Stevenage was more than enough to beat them, that they didn't saw some of them finished at the club. Chelsea was a strong line up in 24. We reached the semi last year and this year we fielded pretty much as strong a pair of line ups as possible.
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Not our day there's always next year fingers crossed.
Next year never happens for us.
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Perhaps UE should've gone for a proper low block formation by bringing on Konsa and Mings, with Lindelof moving to RB and substituted Torres? It needed Mings there in particular to organise and command the backline. Bogarde would've been better moving to the middle supporting Dougie and Onana.
That reckless action by Bizot was maddening!
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What I don’t get is playing a stronger team in the 3rd round and then a weaker team in the 4th. You either go in or don’t.
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Saving it for the 70th (!) anniversary next year.
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Looks like two new goalkeepers will be needed in summer 2026.
Suspect Martinez will go and Monsieur Bizarreot is arguably not up to the task!!
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What I don’t get is playing a stronger team in the 3rd round and then a weaker team in the 4th. You either go in or don’t.
We lost our midfield in the interim through injury.
Unai's priorities clearly changed.
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Annoying outcome, less for the Cup (though that would have been nice) than for the habit of winning, which is so easy to lose.
An absolute disaster of a refereeing performance, but which mostly favoured us.
We looked over-hyped up - Digne should have gone for that brainless tackle on Murphy. Now that I've already used the adjective 'brainless', I'm struggling to describe Bizot's red card.
The Bailey cross field pass... who does he think he is, Matty Cash? He should be forced to watch that on a loop, eyes wedged open with matchsticks, for 36 or 48 hours consecutively.
Up the Villa.
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That one stings, but less so then if we'd lost with 11.
Thought we where very positive first half. Offside goal or not, we broke them down well and looked really composed which is a comfort considering how we've played the past two games.
However, 3 losses in 4 at home isn't good. Leeds will look at that and get all the confidence they need. Must win next weekend, in my opinion.
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I'd love to know the thinking behind what led to the red card. When Bailey slips as he tries to do his job and keep an attack going he's actually our outfield player that's furthest back. What the fuck is every other player doing so far forward? Why is every outfield player in the final third?
This confused me as well. Can only guess we were lacking leadership on the pitch (Digne was our captain) or the players thought it was the last play of the half and as soon as the ball was cleared/goal scored the whistle would blow. The one minute injury time had well expired. Crazy.
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The choice to pick this game as a 90s throwback was a terrible omen - in the 90s the Geordies regularly wiped the floor with us so in that aspect the club got it right sadly.
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The first half injury time was the most un-Unai minute of the season, all out attack in injury time, no structure, mis-placed passes, goalkeeping ill-discipline…
The only silver lining us that it frees up a couple of weekends, which caught up with us last season.
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One positive - and I accept this is a bit defeatist - but given our other priorities if we’re not winning it I’d rather we went out now.
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I thought we were ok until Bizot went on his Forest Gump type run. It would have been a lot worse had Digne been sent off as well.
If there's an upside, it gives us one less thing to focus on. I know some fans will say 'fuck that, it's the FA Cup' and I totally understand where they're coming from but its the only positive to take from yesterday.
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Even with all the decisions going in our favour we contrived to lose. They were much better than us and deserved the win.
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One positive - and I accept this is a bit defeatist - but given our other priorities if we’re not winning it I’d rather we went out now.
Indeed. Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool all through. Arsenal will be today barring a miracle. We'd have needed a favourable draw to win this with the way things are going.
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We've got some weird voodoo shit going on in the FA Cup. Going back as far as I can remember we've contrived to royally fuck it up. West Ham away, ken McNaught punched the ball for a penalty, countless losses to Man Ure including a clown in goal at their place. Chelsea in the 2000 final, Arsenal in the Final, Palace in the nightmare of a semi final. It's not normal for a club of our size and stature to go so long without winning it. To be honest, like another poster said earlier, I still haven't recovered from the Semi Final last season so this defeat doesn't really hurt that much, it just gets chalked off as another weird episode in our involvement in the FA Cup.
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One positive - and I accept this is a bit defeatist - but given our other priorities if we’re not winning it I’d rather we went out now.
Indeed. Man City, Chelsea and Liverpool all through. Arsenal will be today barring a miracle. We'd have needed a favourable draw to win this with the way things are going.
We couldn't have asked for a much more favourable draw last season. Opposition such as Cardiff and Preston in earlier rounds, the best semi final draw we could have asked for but we still blew our chance against Palace.
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Good riddance, what has the FA Cup done for us this season other than depriving us of one of our most important players.
Now focus on getting into theCL because that is the most important thing for where we are right now.
No, no and no. Better or best teams win the cups as proven over the last 30 plus years. CL qualification is not the most important thing, winning trophies is.
Wrong, the “better or best teams” have bigger higher quality squads to compete on several fronts. To attract that quality and retain the quality we already have, CL qualification is a must. You’ve only got to look at last years winners to see what can happen
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If we’d just lost at home in the league, I’d be a lot more pissed off this morning. That kind of sums up how much I care about the FA cup at the moment, right or wrong.
I care a bit more about the Europa, but only because it’s probably easier to win and the prize is more alluring. Again, not one for the FA Cup purists, but there you go.
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A really brainless last minute corner, a shower of shite, everyone forward, Bailey makes a terrible choice, executes it appallingly, Bizot loses his marbles and we go from being very comfortable to looking like we were just waiting to concede.
We really do have a squad strong enough to expect better than what we showed in that second half.
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Even with all the decisions going in our favour we contrived to lose. They were much better than us and deserved the win.
I'm not sure. It was pretty even for 48 minutes. Hard to judge it after the red card as it changed everything. I do think we were disappointingly timid with 10 men and running down the clock immediately from the beginning of the second half.
They still badly missed their two Brazilian lads until their first goal I thought and clearly we missed our trio in midfield and Cash who are all more comfortable in possession than Onana, Bogarde and probably Barkley too (who still showed some good touches).
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Even with all the decisions going in our favour we contrived to lose. They were much better than us and deserved the win.
We were the better team until Bizot’s brainwave.
Weird how we keep getting red cards against Newcastle.
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What I don’t get is playing a stronger team in the 3rd round and then a weaker team in the 4th. You either go in or don’t.
It seems fairly obvious that he knows that if we pick up a couple more injuries we’re totally fucked but that said we were the better team by some margin until the sending off.
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I agree that we were the better side until then, but I still don't think we keep opposing keepers busy enough when we are on top, we lack a bit of creativity. I reckon the second no10 position is where we need an upgrade.
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Not going to talk about the performance really, it was bad, it's so annoying how much worse we are down to ten men than teams seem to be against us, what can you do.
I just hate losing that fucking club. I just hate that fucking club. And I absolutely hate their ageing cheerleaders in the press, who live in a forever 1997 where Philippe Albert is forever dinking in from 25 and we'd always luv it if everyone's second team could give the Best Fans In The World the success we all want for them, nevermind that they're the propaganda doll of a rape-and-plunder state, literally the most evil people on earth, nevermind that they're also a dirty bunch of absolute thugs, not just rotational fouling but genuinely violent, nasty, their manager a total soulless goon.
So I'm sorry if Lucas did a bad tackle. Did anyone mention that one of their talentless cloggers took out our best player for months with a cynical-as-you-like rake down the achilles? Anyone mention of their owner's bonesaw hobby? No of course not, we have to be subjected to endless simpering over their sentimental, wailing, gormless fanbase (hey they've taken their shirts off! wow they're so morally pathetic! just so zany!) and their utterly imagined grievances.
So I can take losing. I can even take losing to this bunch. But I really could be spared the moral fucking grandstanding from ISIS AFC, nevermind the moral grandstanding being done on their behalf by dewy-eyed losers and sycophants. Piss off.
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Which reminds me..
Are Newcastle fans only allowed outside the house to watch their team in their replica shirts? What is it with them seemingly having to bang on the windows of their coaches when they are anywhere near a football ground like over excited chimps. I think it must be compulsary. No one else does it.
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A really brainless last minute corner, a shower of shite, everyone forward, Bailey makes a terrible choice, executes it appallingly, Bizot loses his marbles and we go from being very comfortable to looking like we were just waiting to concede.
We really do have a squad strong enough to expect better than what we showed in that second half.
I found the tactics a bit strange after we went down to 10. Rather than just go to a flat four in midfield and leave Abraham up front, we went to two inverted wide players. Thar just meant their full-backs were free pretty much all of the time and we couldn't get out.
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While I’d have preferred to have gone through I also think we’ve increased our chances of achieving CL football by no longer being in this competition. It’s a weird feeling.
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Newcastle offered nothing before the sending off & for all the possession in the second, they didn't create a lot. Two goals from outside the box & a gift at the end.
If Bizot keeps his head, even if they equalise, we go on to win that game 11 vs 11. I'll never understand why goalkeepers bring down a player in that situation, unless there's only a few minutes left.
As for the standard of refereeing, Premier League officials can't referee anymore without VAR. We'll get fuck all decisions now for the rest of the season.
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I'd love to know the thinking behind what led to the red card. When Bailey slips as he tries to do his job and keep an attack going he's actually our outfield player that's furthest back. What the fuck is every other player doing so far forward? Why is every outfield player in the final third?
We always set up like that for corners. We have one of the quicker players (Maatsen last few games) in the centre of the pitch to mop up a clearance and stop the counter.
Maatsen almost invariably recycles the back to the keeper and stops the kind of fuck up that ensued yesterday.
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Not going to talk about the performance really, it was bad, it's so annoying how much worse we are down to ten men than teams seem to be against us, what can you do.
I just hate losing that fucking club. I just hate that fucking club. And I absolutely hate their ageing cheerleaders in the press, who live in a forever 1997 where Philippe Albert is forever dinking in from 25 and we'd always luv it if everyone's second team could give the Best Fans In The World the success we all want for them, nevermind that they're the propaganda doll of a rape-and-plunder state, literally the most evil people on earth, nevermind that they're also a dirty bunch of absolute thugs, not just rotational fouling but genuinely violent, nasty, their manager a total soulless goon.
So I'm sorry if Lucas did a bad tackle. Did anyone mention that one of their talentless cloggers took out our best player for months with a cynical-as-you-like rake down the achilles? Anyone mention of their owner's bonesaw hobby? No of course not, we have to be subjected to endless simpering over their sentimental, wailing, gormless fanbase (hey they've taken their shirts off! wow they're so morally pathetic! just so zany!) and their utterly imagined grievances.
So I can take losing. I can even take losing to this bunch. But I really could be spared the moral fucking grandstanding from ISIS AFC, nevermind the moral grandstanding being done on their behalf by dewy-eyed losers and sycophants. Piss off.
Post of the Year. Bravo…
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If Bizot keeps his head, even if they equalise, we go on to win that game 11 vs 11. I'll never understand why goalkeepers bring down a player in that situation, unless there's only a few minutes left.
The only thing I can think of is that while the ball was in the air Bizot had an opportunity, if the first touch wasn't perfect to snap in and clear the ball. But it was perfect. And he made a bad choice.
I was chatting to a bloke on the walk back who didn't think it was a red card. Fuck me, I don't think I've seen a clearer one. But as the ref got everything else wrong I suppose he could have let that one go as well.
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There is some talk that it may not necessarily have been a clear goalscoring opportunity. He was going away from goal and we had one player chasing back. But it was only ever likely to be red.
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If Bizot keeps his head, even if they equalise, we go on to win that game 11 vs 11. I'll never understand why goalkeepers bring down a player in that situation, unless there's only a few minutes left.
The only thing I can think of is that while the ball was in the air Bizot had an opportunity, if the first touch wasn't perfect to snap in and clear the ball. But it was perfect. And he made a bad choice.
I was chatting to a bloke on the walk back who didn't think it was a red card. Fuck me, I don't think I've seen a clearer one. But as the ref got everything else wrong I suppose he could have let that one go as well.
Any question if "Was there a player covering?" was irrelevant given he'd charged out 40 yards and took him out at his knees. It was the reddest of reds.
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Digne's tackle on the same player? should have been red too. I know we aren't happy about the tackles that injured likes of Kamara and Tielemans but those two yesterday by Bizot and Digne were an entirely different level.
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Other silver lining: keeps Howe in place and therefore the Jaudis out of serious league competition with us for another 12-18 months at least.
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How can it be a different level from injuring someone for months?
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Not going to talk about the performance really, it was bad, it's so annoying how much worse we are down to ten men than teams seem to be against us, what can you do.
I just hate losing that fucking club. I just hate that fucking club. And I absolutely hate their ageing cheerleaders in the press, who live in a forever 1997 where Philippe Albert is forever dinking in from 25 and we'd always luv it if everyone's second team could give the Best Fans In The World the success we all want for them, nevermind that they're the propaganda doll of a rape-and-plunder state, literally the most evil people on earth, nevermind that they're also a dirty bunch of absolute thugs, not just rotational fouling but genuinely violent, nasty, their manager a total soulless goon.
So I'm sorry if Lucas did a bad tackle. Did anyone mention that one of their talentless cloggers took out our best player for months with a cynical-as-you-like rake down the achilles? Anyone mention of their owner's bonesaw hobby? No of course not, we have to be subjected to endless simpering over their sentimental, wailing, gormless fanbase (hey they've taken their shirts off! wow they're so morally pathetic! just so zany!) and their utterly imagined grievances.
So I can take losing. I can even take losing to this bunch. But I really could be spared the moral fucking grandstanding from ISIS AFC, nevermind the moral grandstanding being done on their behalf by dewy-eyed losers and sycophants. Piss off.
Post of the Year. Bravo…
Yes, an outstanding rant.
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Agreed. Apart from the bit about Miley, a talentless clogged he ain't.
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Still fuming. I honestly can't ever remember so many major decisions going our way in one game in the 55 years I've been been a VP regular. To be honest it would have been an absolute travesty if we'd won. All those favourable decisions and we still lose 1:3. I hate VAR with a passion but yesterday put the case against it in the shitter.
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Agreed. Apart from the bit about Miley, a talentless clogged he ain't.
But I hate him.
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My life has been so much less stressful since I resigned myself to the fact several years ago that the only ways I am ever going to see Villa lifting the FA Cup are by watching footage of Johnny Dixon or playing FIFA (or whatever it’s called these days.)
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Agreed. Apart from the bit about Miley, a talentless clogged he ain't.
But I hate him.
*Ruffles hair* Me too, kid.
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Which reminds me..
Are Newcastle fans only allowed outside the house to watch their team in their replica shirts? What is it with them seemingly having to bang on the windows of their coaches when they are anywhere near a football ground like over excited chimps. I think it must be compulsary. No one else does it.
A few years back two coachloads of them stopped on Trinity Road about 2:55, jumped out and just ran at the nearest Villa fans swearing and shouting like the little fucking nut jobs they were. An absolute time-warp throwback to the 70s.
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Not going to talk about the performance really, it was bad, it's so annoying how much worse we are down to ten men than teams seem to be against us, what can you do.
I just hate losing that fucking club. I just hate that fucking club. And I absolutely hate their ageing cheerleaders in the press, who live in a forever 1997 where Philippe Albert is forever dinking in from 25 and we'd always luv it if everyone's second team could give the Best Fans In The World the success we all want for them, nevermind that they're the propaganda doll of a rape-and-plunder state, literally the most evil people on earth, nevermind that they're also a dirty bunch of absolute thugs, not just rotational fouling but genuinely violent, nasty, their manager a total soulless goon.
So I'm sorry if Lucas did a bad tackle. Did anyone mention that one of their talentless cloggers took out our best player for months with a cynical-as-you-like rake down the achilles? Anyone mention of their owner's bonesaw hobby? No of course not, we have to be subjected to endless simpering over their sentimental, wailing, gormless fanbase (hey they've taken their shirts off! wow they're so morally pathetic! just so zany!) and their utterly imagined grievances.
So I can take losing. I can even take losing to this bunch. But I really could be spared the moral fucking grandstanding from ISIS AFC, nevermind the moral grandstanding being done on their behalf by dewy-eyed losers and sycophants. Piss off.
Yes.
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Marco Bizot wtf were you thinking? A genuinely bizzare brain fart. And why is it that every other team seems to take advantage of having an extra man but we never do? It's nothing new either. Managers come and go but the outcome remains the same. Our opponents going down to ten men is never an advantage to us. Us going down to ten men always ends up with us facing an inevitable onslaught. It's written into our DNA or something. It's like Kryptonite to Aston Villa.
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I’ve never understood this concept that Newcastle fans supposedly deserve success more than other fanbases. Surely Sunderland fans have ‘earned’ it more because they’ve ‘suffered’ more if that’s the criteria.
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Agreed. Apart from the bit about Miley, a talentless clogged he ain't.
But I hate him.
*Ruffles hair* Me too, kid.
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There's a torrent of Geordie vernacular doing me head in at the hotel this morning. Bunch of bolshy bastids but I can barely make out a word.
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Are Newcastle fans only allowed outside the house to watch their team in their replica shirts? What is it with them seemingly having to bang on the windows of their coaches when they are anywhere near a football ground like over excited chimps. I think it must be compulsary. No one else does it.
They are chimps. If that isn't offensive to our simian cousins.
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Looks like two new goalkeepers will be needed in summer 2026.
Suspect Martinez will go and Monsieur Bizarreot is arguably not up to the task!!
I don’t think there’s anyone who doesn’t think Bizot made the wrong decision last night but he’s fine as a back up. We’re going to probably have to replace Martinez and possibly Watkins, that’s going to cost a lot so unless we can get someone better than Bizot for a similar price he was bought in for, there’s no point.
I’d say he’s more than up for the task it’s just a pity his rush of blood to the head cost us the game.
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There's a torrent of Geordie vernacular doing me head in at the hotel this morning. Bunch of bolshy bastids but I can barely make out a word.
Count yourself lucky, wall to wall noses where we are!
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I felt a real sadness waking up today after yesterday second half performance, or really that complete loss of head from Bizot. We had a corner down their half ffs.
Gutting to be out of the cup again.
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Even with all the decisions going in our favour we contrived to lose. They were much better than us and deserved the win.
Disagree. We looked comfortable in the first half even if the goal was slightly fortuitous.
Even in the second half we were okay and yet contrived to gift the game.
Having said all that, the absence of VAR really did warp the game and we appear to have used up our ref-luck.
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We were far from okay in the second half. We utterly capitulated as soon as they scored and hardly had the ball in their half after that.
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We were far from okay in the second half. We utterly capitulated as soon as they scored and hardly had the ball in their half after that.
You maybe right; my mind is already bending the memory. However, I don't remember the Barcodes being up to much.
It's consigned to history ...
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Every disappointment is an opportunity.
We now have a week off which will allow us time to reflect, refocus and plan our navigation of the two paths we have for CL qualification.
The schedule is less crowded allowing us time to breathe, we have injured players returning and spring is around the corner.
Optimism is what we need.
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Well said Nev. We absolutely need the mindset to turn this negative into a positive.
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I thought we were pretty comfortable in the first half and Rogers was the best player on the pitch.
The Bizot sending off changed everything. As the pundits declared "what was he doing?". Given that twice in a few months our goalkeepers have charged out manically, poleaxed an opposition player and got sent off, what I want to know is what happens in training for these situations? What are they instructed to do?
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Not going to talk about the performance really, it was bad, it's so annoying how much worse we are down to ten men than teams seem to be against us, what can you do.
I just hate losing that fucking club. I just hate that fucking club. And I absolutely hate their ageing cheerleaders in the press, who live in a forever 1997 where Philippe Albert is forever dinking in from 25 and we'd always luv it if everyone's second team could give the Best Fans In The World the success we all want for them, nevermind that they're the propaganda doll of a rape-and-plunder state, literally the most evil people on earth, nevermind that they're also a dirty bunch of absolute thugs, not just rotational fouling but genuinely violent, nasty, their manager a total soulless goon.
So I'm sorry if Lucas did a bad tackle. Did anyone mention that one of their talentless cloggers took out our best player for months with a cynical-as-you-like rake down the achilles? Anyone mention of their owner's bonesaw hobby? No of course not, we have to be subjected to endless simpering over their sentimental, wailing, gormless fanbase (hey they've taken their shirts off! wow they're so morally pathetic! just so zany!) and their utterly imagined grievances.
So I can take losing. I can even take losing to this bunch. But I really could be spared the moral fucking grandstanding from ISIS AFC, nevermind the moral grandstanding being done on their behalf by dewy-eyed losers and sycophants. Piss off.
Post of the Year. Bravo…
I do admire people who can sum up venomous dislike in a totally rational way <clapps>
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69 years and still counting and still the late great Johnny Dixon is the only Villa captain to lift the FA Cup at Wembley.
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Every disappointment is an opportunity, to lay the groundwork for the next disappointment
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Every disappointment is an opportunity, to lay the groundwork for the next disappointment
Hope is a lie.
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Every disappointment is an opportunity, to lay the groundwork for the next disappointment
Go and get the guitar.
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Hearing me attempting to play the guitar would most certainly lead to disappointment.
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I am fucking totally miserable today. Why do we fuck it up every year? Unbelievably meek yesterday, we played the classic "ten men won't be able to cope" game in the second half and gave up as soon as their equaliser went in. Gutless and weak, no fight no courage.
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If neither Ron Saunders nor Unai Emery can win us the FA Cup, it ain’t happening!
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Greggers got closest.
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Greggers got closest.
Followed by Tactics Tim, not sure what that tells us
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Greggers got closest.
Followed by Tactics Tim, not sure what that tells us
That there’s no point getting to the FA Cup final.
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I just think going out will help us in the final part of the season. It's a shame to think way but the CL and associated money if absolutely vital if we want to progress.
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It was awful (massive understatement) last night. But how much better is the 90s crest they had on the screen last night than the one we have now. More claret, the lion stands out unlike the current one, literally everything about that 90s crest is better
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I just think going out will help us in the final part of the season. It's a shame to think way but the CL and associated money if absolutely vital if we want to progress.
It also helps that we're in the last 16 of a very winnable trophy in Europe.
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We don't do trophies.
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We will this season. In Unai we trust...
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There's a torrent of Geordie vernacular doing me head in at the hotel this morning. Bunch of bolshy bastids but I can barely make out a word.
Count yourself lucky, wall to wall noses where we are!
I take it you're in The Nutshell in Bury St Edmunds.
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There's a torrent of Geordie vernacular doing me head in at the hotel this morning. Bunch of bolshy bastids but I can barely make out a word.
Count yourself lucky, wall to wall noses where we are!
I take it you're in The Nutshell in Bury St Edmunds.
Haha, great niche reference. Only time I visited I was batting the mummified cat, flying in the face of superstitious nonsense. On reflection, maybe that's why we don't do trophies any more.
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I am fucking totally miserable today. Why do we fuck it up every year? Unbelievably meek yesterday, we played the classic "ten men won't be able to cope" game in the second half and gave up as soon as their equaliser went in. Gutless and weak, no fight no courage.
Strangely I’m more pissed off today than yesterday. Although I’m rarely chirpy on a Sunday
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I am fucking totally miserable today. Why do we fuck it up every year? Unbelievably meek yesterday, we played the classic "ten men won't be able to cope" game in the second half and gave up as soon as their equaliser went in. Gutless and weak, no fight no courage.
Strangely I’m more pissed off today than yesterday. Although I’m rarely chirpy on a Sunday
Me too. Feels a hard one to take.
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There's a torrent of Geordie vernacular doing me head in at the hotel this morning. Bunch of bolshy bastids but I can barely make out a word.
Count yourself lucky, wall to wall noses where we are!
I take it you're in The Nutshell in Bury St Edmunds.
Haha, great niche reference. Only time I visited I was batting the mummified cat, flying in the face of superstitious nonsense. On reflection, maybe that's why we don't do trophies any more.
Is ‘batting the mummified cat’ a sexual euphemism?
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It’s the self destructive nature of the defeat that’s so frustrating.
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Disappointing result.
With 11 men Newcastle didnt get a sniff yet we again find ourselves being our own worst enemies. God knows what bizot was doing? How have we had two keepers making almost identical errors in less than 12 months. But how did we find ourselves in a position 3 vs 1 so early in the game? I just dont get why you would push so many players up so early in game when we were also winning.
The referring was atrocious no question.
Oh well at least clears our weeks abit
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If this was 10 years ago I’d be more downbeat. Yes, it would be wonderful if we could go all the way in the FA cup but given we have two routes to CL qualification that has to be our priority. Continuing to make it our priority and continuing to achieve it will eventually give us the resources to compete on all fronts. I’m of an age that would suggest the FA cup is sacrosanct. This isn’t the case anymore and certainly not in our current predicament.
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Disappointing result.
With 11 men Newcastle didnt get a sniff yet we again find ourselves being our own worst enemies. God knows what bizot was doing? How have we had two keepers making almost identical errors in less than 12 months. But how did we find ourselves in a position 3 vs 1 so early in the game? I just dont get why you would push so many players up so early in game when we were also winning.
The referring was atrocious no question.
Oh well at least clears our weeks abit
I think the Martinez OT one wasn't as bad, it was a much worse starting situation.
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Disappointing result.
With 11 men Newcastle didnt get a sniff yet we again find ourselves being our own worst enemies. God knows what bizot was doing? How have we had two keepers making almost identical errors in less than 12 months. But how did we find ourselves in a position 3 vs 1 so early in the game? I just dont get why you would push so many players up so early in game when we were also winning.
The referring was atrocious no question.
Oh well at least clears our weeks abit
I think the Martinez OT one wasn't as bad, it was a much worse starting situation.
Agree I have absolutely no idea what the hell BIzot was thinking
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We don't do trophies.
Yes I had noticed.
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This will be a blessing. With our injuries we needed extra games like we need a hole in the head. One year we will be able to fight on three (or 4) fronts. But this year it’s not possible. Unai knew that.
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This will be a blessing. With our injuries we needed extra games like we need a hole in the head. One year we will be able to fight on three (or 4) fronts. But this year it’s not possible. Unai knew that.
These extra games will catch up with Newcastle as well. They are trying to juggle three competitions
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Now the dust has settled I'm not too bothered now i think. The most frustrating thing for me is why we cannot play against ten and look dominant, and we don't seem to be able to play the "frustrate the opposition" game with ten either! Two banks of 4 and a quick lad up top isn't it?
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Now the dust has settled I'm not too bothered now i think. The most frustrating thing for me is why we cannot play against ten and look dominant, and we don't seem to be able to play the "frustrate the opposition" game with ten either! Two banks of 4 and a quick lad up top isn't it?
I suspect if it had been a league game and we could play for a point the approach might have been different.
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Well, that same scenario presented itself last August in the league when Konsa was sent-off in the same fixture - albeit with less time left. We defended better but they still probably should have won and we had bugger-all chances ourselves.
But I suppose it wasn't just that game. We didn't score til mid-September, ultimately destroying our title prospects in the process.
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Now the dust has settled I'm not too bothered now i think. The most frustrating thing for me is why we cannot play against ten and look dominant, and we don't seem to be able to play the "frustrate the opposition" game with ten either! Two banks of 4 and a quick lad up top isn't it?
Leaving two up was a big tactical error. Three in midfield and one of them Barkley who fatigued very quickly. Kamikaze being the theme of the night unfortunately with Bizot and Digne too. Digne should have been hooked at half time, already struggling and on a yellow. They were always going to target that flank and so it proved.
In comparison, Brentford were a lot more savvy against us. Big lad up front but no space in front of their box and lots of height into the team.
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Did we leave two up? Did we even start with two up?
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Did we leave two up? Did we even start with two up?
No, Barkley was at 10 to start with but moved back into midfield. Not sure why Emery moved Rogers off the left.
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Now the dust has settled I'm not too bothered now i think. The most frustrating thing for me is why we cannot play against ten and look dominant, and we don't seem to be able to play the "frustrate the opposition" game with ten either! Two banks of 4 and a quick lad up top isn't it?
I'm still very bothered actually.