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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on December 10, 2025, 06:06:06 PM
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There has been a lot of talk of this kid Alysson from Gremio and now that Jacob Tanswell and John Townley are putting their names behind it we can start a thread.
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1998814118657294793?s=46
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1998814143340753099?s=46
Seen as a hot prospect, around £10M or so with fees.
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I will just repeat what I posted in the transfer thread, which is that I am guessing this will be another raw player with clear talent like Duran and Rogers and in 18 months time we will all be sucking farts out of his bumhole while the papers try to sell him for £100m.
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Hope he gets a Work Permit and joins the squad, rather than is immediately loaned back to his parent club or into Europe. Who knows, he may be another Rogers!
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His aim is true.
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His aim is true.
Think we'll have that 50 more times before he signs.
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There has been a lot of talk of this kid Alysson from Gremio and now that Jacob Tanswell and John Townley are putting their names behind it we can start a thread.
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1998814118657294793?s=46
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1998814143340753099?s=46
Seen as a hot prospect, around £10M or so with fees.
Yep, lot of noise around this signing.
Looks like Alysson’s starting to happen.
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Like the look and sound of this. Hopefully he is being signed to help support not just as FFP bait
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Like the look and sound of this. Hopefully he is being signed to help support not just as FFP bait
Apparently he's a bit of a tech whiz, so he'll have the ticketing app sorted in no time.
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Looks like Alysson’s starting to happen.
I have nothing to add but a nod.
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Like the look and sound of this. Hopefully he is being signed to help support not just as FFP bait
Apparently he's a bit of a tech whiz, so he'll have the ticketing app sorted in no time.
Whisper it quietly but a few issues seem to have been sorted.
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Like the look and sound of this. Hopefully he is being signed to help support not just as FFP bait
Apparently he's a bit of a tech whiz, so he'll have the ticketing app sorted in no time.
Whisper it quietly but a few issues seem to have been sorted.
Whisper it quietly but he's been logging on remotely, despite not having a work permit yet.
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Like the look and sound of this. Hopefully he is being signed to help support not just as FFP bait
Apparently he's a bit of a tech whiz, so he'll have the ticketing app sorted in no time.
Whisper it quietly but a few issues seem to have been sorted.
Whisper it quietly but he's been logging on remotely, despite not having a work permit yet.
Cracked it. He is Prince William. I claim my expired Littlewoods vouchers.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c62dew0e6x3o
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Confirmed by the Beeb now.
A tricky Brazilian winger, you say? Fuck yeah!
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Predictions?
I'm going with, appears in some BMH training photoshoot, gets sent on loan to VVV Venlo, permanent transfer to Lens for 1m more than we paid for him, never plays for us.
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Predictions?
I'm going with, appears in some BMH training photoshoot, gets sent on loan to VVV Venlo, permanent transfer to Lens for 1m more than we paid for him, never plays for us.
I’ll take your Lens and raise you Atalanta
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Maybe we are investing in a basketball team and want him as the first signing.
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Predictions?
Wins the World Cup with Brasil in 2030, after completing a quadruple with Villa. Is gutted that he missed out on the Community Shield at the start of the season.
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Predictions?
...he'll be better than Guessand..
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Predictions?
...he'll be better than Guessand..
His appearance record will be equal to or more than Ivo Stas, but less than Charlie Aitkin.
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A left footed Rogers!
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Ah a tricky Brazilian player, lovely.
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Predictions?
I'm going with, appears in some BMH training photoshoot, gets sent on loan to VVV Venlo, permanent transfer to Lens for 1m more than we paid for him, never plays for us.
That’s if he’s not good enough to be challenging for a place in a side competing at the top. If he’s the next Duran*, he will be in the squad.
*hopefully he is, but not quite as crazy and itching for a move every three weeks or so.
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A left footed Rogers!
Exactly what I thought, same build, quick feet, picks it up and runs with it with intent.
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Big lad, doesn’t look that quick, but eats up the yards.
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Will either be the replacement for Rogers in the next year or two or the long term Watkins successor...or a bit of both.
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The you tube clips show a lot of tackling which I’m sure Unai will like.
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His aim is true.
bmmm,tssshhh
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The you tube clips show a lot of tackling which I’m sure Unai will like.
Much of it two-footed and from behind!
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The you tube clips show a lot of tackling which I’m sure Unai will like.
Much of it two-footed and from behind!
That's how we make love in Shropshire. The trick is to get a leg in each Wellie.
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Tim Vickery, who knows his South American stuff, is really NOT impressed.
https://youtu.be/Pox5IsPQz9I?si=kUn3ywG2mOBs1Q_O
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I got bored after five minutes watching that. Who's Tim Vickery anyway, looked rather smug to me. He looks related to Alan Pardew.
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Tim Vickery really knows his shit when it comes to South American football. I put value in his opinion. He hasn't written him off, he has basically just said that he is one for the future. I'd say it sounded like there was more chance of it not working out but that's the punt you make with youngsters. He's not the next Neymar, let's put it that way.
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The Tim Vickery who said Emery wouldn't be a good fit for us and that we should go for Sean Dyche?
About as informed as that other fupping eejit Tim Lovejoy.
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I got bored after five minutes watching that. Who's Tim Vickery anyway, looked rather smug to me. He looks related to Alan Pardew.
Pretty much the doyen of South American football analysis of the last thirty years of so.
Doesn't mean he's right in this case. Also, doesn't mean he's definitely wrong either, just because he's not saying we've bought the new Messi.
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When we were linked with Julian Alvarez while at River Plate, Vickery described him as the Argentinian Gary Shaw. Or something similar. Of course he ends up Man City not us, was superb for them and has carried on being superb at Atletico. Not sure if he is Gary Shaw superb but Vickery was right that he was a very good player coming through from River. Hopefully he is right about Alysson as a long term promising prospect.
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I'm going to write to YouTube to complain about him.
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Ah well, if he knows his stuff, but he still looked smug. Sounds like he got Emery wrong with us, maybe that’s why he threw the little dig in about a little ego project?
Anyhow, we all know Emery isn’t one for throwing anyone, experienced or not straight in the side. They all have to be drilled first. The only player I can think he’s done that with is Rogers, who apparently according to the experts, Middlesbrough pulled our pants down.
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Every signing is a risk, plenty of 'experts' couldn't see anything in Duran or Rogers, and thought we were wrong to sack Gerrard. I doubt anyone thinks we're signing him to go straight into the starting 11.
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Looking at trends for recent signings he’ll either
- hardly be seen for ages, then be starting games and looking a 50m player in a years time, or
- be loaned to a mid level European team without seeing sight of first team football
- consistently start in roughly right position, but play nothing like what we expected from rumour and reports.
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The Tim Vickery who said Emery wouldn't be a good fit for us and that we should go for Sean Dyche?
Well that opinion holds much less value as it isn't about his speciality, which is South American football.
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Imagine what Vickery would of said if he saw Rogers playing for Bournemouth/ Middlesboro.
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These guys are paid money to have an opinion, unlikely to say erm well I am not sure or I haven’t seen him play much.
Also their opinions when talking on their specialist subject tend to be towards the affirmative.
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Emery or Vickery? Hmm, which one do I trust more in terms of their judgment on coaching and organising footballers?
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I'm going to write to YouTube to complain about him.
Yeah, tell them you don't pay your licence fee for this shit. And use the word literally in there too.
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Described as 'surprisingly tactically aware' on the Gremio article I read about him.
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My Brazilian friend is also not overly impressed with Alysson. Said he is "total average".
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My Brazilian friend is also not overly impressed with Alysson. Said he is "total average".
Some Boro fans said the same about Rogers.
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And he's 19. We've obviously seen something we think we can work with to make him a good player for us and for what we're spending it's a pretty low risk.
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My Brazilian friend is also not overly impressed with Alysson. Said he is "total average".
Watching Harry Kane in his debut season for Spuds, my Evertonian mate declared he was shit and lacked the pace for the PL.
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TBH, he has tricks but his stats show why there is very little end product shown in the highlights reel. I expect Emery has seen something in his play he can mold, or this is the first signing of the new age to be sold onto Spain in 2-3 years time. Very similar to Nypan who we were linked with but Citeh bought for similar figures and then loaned out straight away to Boro and appears to have done very little.
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Every signing is a risk, plenty of 'experts' couldn't see anything in Duran or Rogers, and thought we were wrong to sack Gerrard. I doubt anyone thinks we're signing him to go straight into the starting 11.
The absolute cacophony of shit when we sacked Gerrard, almost to a man, when he had quite clearly shat the bed and we were a wreck, was when I stopped listening entirely. Agendas trumping evidence.
I'll spot things, as we all will, before being informed by someone else's opinion. Duran being a player. Rogers being a player. Guessand not being a player. Fuck 'em.
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Looks n exciting prospect.
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Villa aren’t immune to signing duffers under Unai.
Equally, we trust that whoever has now chosen Alysson has a good eye and the kid has some promise.
We obviously aren’t signing fat Ronaldo (in his pomp), the lad is clearly not the ‘new wonderkid’, so we need to temper our enthusiasm and expectations and just see what happens.
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And he's 19. We've obviously seen something we think we can work with to make him a good player for us and for what we're spending it's a pretty low risk.
Yeah, with these sort of signings I think maybe they've seen something in him. He's only 19, same age as when we signed Jhon Duran and 2-3 years younger than Morgan Rogers when we signed him. And folk were saying we'd had our pants pulled down with Rogers, for example. We've not spent a huge amount on him ... about £8.5m plus add ons by the sound of it, which is peanuts these days. If they've seen something in him, he'll be worth a punt.
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When you consider it's half what we flogged Chuck and Kellyman for it's worth a punt
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My Brazilian friend is also not overly impressed with Alysson. Said he is "total average".
Some Boro fans said the same about Rogers.
Not just Boro fans either.
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His biggest weakness is supposed to be decision making.Sounds like a player who dribbles past a player or two,doesn't see the pass and loses it to the next player.Frustrating.
.Emery's system means that his right winger will play further upfield as Bailey did.,and cut inside on his left foot and become a second striker.
Beat a player,there's fewer or simpler decisions as we are advancing closer to goal.
Can he fit the requirement and adjust to the PL ? His strengths seems to be dribbling,hard working ,physical strength and left footed..Finishing ?Probably doesn't get into many goalscoring positions.
Philogene was reckoned by quite a few,not just Villa fans,to be PL quality.Possibly ,like Sancho,too 'lightweight'.Alysson isn't lightweight.
Tim Vickery called it 'someone's project.More likely,Alysson ticks a lot of boxes for Emery's requirement of a right winger.
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Looks like a buy, then send out on loan type player.
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He looks like a big lad, with decent technical ability, but certainly not in the recent mould of tricky little forwards Brazil have produced so many of, so I would imagine the club have seen all the raw attributes required to coach him into something we can use. Just like they did with Rogers, who looked okay in his highlight reel, but was hardly an inspiring signing at the time.
I'm not sure we can win the lottery twice, but if he can become half the player Morgan has, we'll be doing very well indeed.
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Flipped for £15m in the summer…
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He's the modern equivalent of spending a hundred grand on some promising youngster from the lower divisions. Sometimes you get David Platt, sometimes Terry Bullivant.
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Didn't the reports say he came through at Gremio and has only played from them? If that's the right photo that's a Sao Paulo shirt?
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His biggest weakness is supposed to be decision making.Sounds like a player who dribbles past a player or two,doesn't see the pass and loses it to the next player.Frustrating.
.Emery's system means that his right winger will play further upfield as Bailey did.,and cut inside on his left foot and become a second striker.
Beat a player,there's fewer or simpler decisions as we are advancing closer to goal.
Can he fit the requirement and adjust to the PL ? His strengths seems to be dribbling,hard working ,physical strength and left footed..Finishing ?Probably doesn't get into many goalscoring positions.
Philogene was reckoned by quite a few,not just Villa fans,to be PL quality.Possibly ,like Sancho,too 'lightweight'.Alysson isn't lightweight.
Tim Vickery called it 'someone's project.More likely,Alysson ticks a lot of boxes for Emery's requirement of a right winger.
A lot of this could be used to describe the vast majority of 19 year old wingers playing regular senior football anywhere in the world. Players with pace and skill tend to find things easy as they're coming through age group football because of inexperienced defenders struggling to cope with them. Put them in senior football and suddenly the tricks don't work as well, or the defender is good enough to get straight back at you and take away all the time you got used to having as a kid.
Lots of wingers struggle to get over that and either drop down the leagues or linger around as squad players for years. I firmly believe it's the same problem Guessand is having right now.
I agree with the last bit though, there's something there (I suspect the touch and workrate) that has made Emery think he's worth a gamble. Get it right and he'll be a £50m+ player in 2 years, get it wrong and we'll probably have him out on loan a couple of times before getting a small fee from a club in Spain or Portugal and we'll have lost £5-6m , at most.
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Ah well, if he knows his stuff, but he still looked smug. Sounds like he got Emery wrong with us, maybe that’s why he threw the little dig in about a little ego project?
Anyhow, we all know Emery isn’t one for throwing anyone, experienced or not straight in the side. They all have to be drilled first. The only player I can think he’s done that with is Rogers, who apparently according to the experts, Middlesbrough pulled our pants down.
I think Vickery very insightful to be fair. Although I dont watch much SA football.
I think he is a Spurs fan from days agone
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Didn't the reports say he came through at Gremio and has only played from them? If that's the right photo that's a Sao Paulo shirt?
That's why Leeg posted it. That's a bloke in his 30s named Alisson.
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Ah I see, right thanks. I did think he was also a little well fed but one doesn't like to get personal.
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My Brazilian friend is also not overly impressed with Alysson. Said he is "total average".
Seems a bit mean.
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Highlights are misleading but there is a fair amount of ability for Emery to work with.
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When I hear of how good he is defensively it makes me think of Guessand. Let's hope these are different scouts as I like my attackers to be, you know, good at attacking.
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Watching Villa.
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i have those crocks 💪😃
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i have those crocks 💪😃
I have notified the authorities.
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i have those crocks 💪😃
Jesus Christ. I bet you like five at the back and claret sleeves.
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i have those crocks 💪😃
They belong to my middle son! How did you get them?
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i have those crocks 💪😃
They belong to my middle son! How did you get them?
I will let him tell you
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Why did you take the crocs instead of the TV and speakers?
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Why did you take the crocs instead of the TV and speakers?
Less chance of the owner reporting them stolen.
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🟣🔵🇧🇷 Aston Villa and Gremio signed all documents for Alysson deal, here we go now confirmed.
€10m initial fee plus €2m add-ons for 19 year old Brazilian winger to #AVFC.
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A probable loan back out and sale next summer or somebody we might actually play this season?
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Yer man Tim Vickery, the Latam soccer expert beloved by football podcast crammers, can't make sense out of this one.
We might make £4m on him in June selling him onto Werder Bremen (Alison, not Tim).
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I think Brazilian players should revert to having vowels at the end of their names. Is it any wonder that they’ve been shit at winning world cups since the turn of the millennium when they’ve all got shit names. They need to start ending their names with “aldo” or “inho” again, and only going by one name for that matter.
At least this chap is a winger, which is the best position. Who the hell thinks “I want a Brazilian player in my side. Nah, bugger all the fancy Dan tricksy players called Scorchaldo in good positions, I want a boring left back called Eggso Benedictez” or something like that.
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Yer man Tim Vickery, the Latam soccer expert beloved by football podcast crammers, can't make sense out of this one.
We might make £4m on him in June selling him onto Werder Bremen (Alison, not Tim).
Can’t make sense of it in a similar way to how us signing Rogers was perceived? Not saying it’ll work out that well, although obviously hope he does, but more interested in what’s the basis of the confusion.
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Cover for Guessand?
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I think Brazilian players should revert to having vowels at the end of their names. Is it any wonder that they’ve been shit at winning world cups since the turn of the millennium when they’ve all got shit names. They need to start ending their names with “aldo” or “inho” again, and only going by one name for that matter.
Brazilian football has never been the same since they stopped capping chain-smoking, politically-active doctors named after Greek philosophers.
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Yer man Tim Vickery, the Latam soccer expert beloved by football podcast crammers, can't make sense out of this one.
We might make £4m on him in June selling him onto Werder Bremen (Alison, not Tim).
Can’t make sense of it in a similar way to how us signing Rogers was perceived? Not saying it’ll work out that well, although obviously hope he does, but more interested in what’s the basis of the confusion.
He just hasn't seen anything of note from him while playing as a bit-part player for Gremio to warrant such a move. You're right that Rogers (and Durán) were excellent punts so maybe our scouts (and gaffer) have a sixth sense.
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Cover for Guessand?
If he's cover for Guessand then he's a £10m pile of wank.
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Yer man Tim Vickery, the Latam soccer expert beloved by football podcast crammers, can't make sense out of this one.
We might make £4m on him in June selling him onto Werder Bremen (Alison, not Tim).
Can’t make sense of it in a similar way to how us signing Rogers was perceived? Not saying it’ll work out that well, although obviously hope he does, but more interested in what’s the basis of the confusion.
He basically said that this bloke is a couple of seasons away from the level that Savinho is now (I don't even know if he's any good), so don't expect any sort of immediate impact. He was surprised by the news.
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This seems like a deal where we got him cheap and if Unai doesn't fancy him straight away he can go to our club in Portugal where he doesn't need a workpermit for a season or 2. Unless his leg falls off we won't struggle to recoup the 10 million. If he turns out to be great we have had another bargain.
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If he’s a couple of seasons away from being worth £30m then it’s a good deal…
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Can he play in goal?
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Done on avfc now
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Signing confirmed.
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I’m not gonna get too sentimental, but welcome Alysson.
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Signing confirmed.
No mention on the BBC website yet. Man U have appointed a new tea lady though (on a zero hours contract).
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I’m not gonna get too sentimental, but welcome Alysson.
Let's hope the world doesn't kill him.
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Great to get business done really early. Hope there a couple more to come.
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Welcome. Please don’t be shit.
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Welcome, be immediately good please.
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I note he hasn't scored for us yet.
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I wonder who we will loan him out to?
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This seems like a deal where we got him cheap and if Unai doesn't fancy him straight away he can go to our club in Portugal where he doesn't need a workpermit for a season or 2. Unless his leg falls off we won't struggle to recoup the 10 million. If he turns out to be great we have had another bargain.
Let's hope he turns out to be an absolute bargain as right now it sounds like we've massively overpaid. It's a really strange signing, that's what, £40m we're spent since the summer on right wingers? I really hope Vickery and all his mates in the media including those who support Gremio are wrong.
Boa sorte, Alysonn. Não seja um merda.
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Who is the geezer on the left?
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That's Cameron Archer isn't it?
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Who is the geezer on the left?
isnt that the guy who replaced Monchi
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Plenty said Benteke wasn't good enough, including 'experts' and people that watched him. Same for Rogers and Duran. Maybe he's the next one, or the next Helenius. The transfer fee is the modern equivalent of the million we spent on Helenius twelve and a half years ago.
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Hopefully Alisson will do as well as Jon Dhuran and Morgan Rodgers.
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Who is the geezer on the left?
Olabe
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Plenty said Benteke wasn't good enough, including 'experts' and people that watched him. Same for Rogers and Duran. Maybe he's the next one, or the next Helenius. The transfer fee is the modern equivalent of the million we spent on Helenius twelve and a half years ago.
Don't remember anybody saying Benteke wasn't good enough although there's always a few loons around plus people who hate tiny ears. He was a one in two game scorer for Genk and his first season with us even better, 23 goals in 39 games. The £10m fee is massive for a young, unproven player from the Brazilian league where in everything I've read he was at the £2m value. Let's hope he turns out to be like Rogers.
My concern, other than it's again more money thrown at a position we desperately need to resolve, is that should we have real interest in Kaio Jorge (or any other Brazilian), it's going to make it very difficult to negotiate with Cruzeiro who will now want a fortune.
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There were a fair few, including the Belgian on here that still owes us all a beer.
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Don’t be average be very good from the off. Do that and we’ll return the love in spades.
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^^ Correct PWS. I seem to remember the start of his thread was fairly inaccurate as it turned out.
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Who is the geezer on the left?
Olabe
Thanks. Monchi was always suited for these occasions, so strange seeing him in training gear.
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Hope for shooting, his aim is true
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There were a fair few, including the Belgian on here that still owes us all a beer.
^^ Correct PWS. I seem to remember the start of his thread was fairly inaccurate as it turned out.
And that Stuart bloke who still said he was shite when he was the best goalscorer in Europe.
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I wonder, if this kid is retained and plays, whether Guessand will become the cover for Ollie
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I just want to see a winger that can beat his man for pace once in a while
don’t know if this lad will fit the bill as I’ve not seen any reels
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I just want to see a winger that can beat his man for pace once in a while
don’t know if this lad will fit the bill as I’ve not seen any reels
The reel I saw was pretty good for that kind of thing.
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I just want to see a winger that can beat his man for pace once in a while
don’t know if this lad will fit the bill as I’ve not seen any reels
The reel I saw was pretty good for that kind of thing.
that’s good to hear
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There needs to be some end product though, Adam Traore springs to mind.
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Can he be on the bench Saturday?
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There needs to be some end product though, Adam Traore springs to mind.
Yep true
But if he has pace and isn’t scared to use it and take his man on Unai and his mates can work on the rest
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There needs to be some end product though, Adam Traore springs to mind.
Adama’s had a decent career, considering he plays like a speeded up version of N’Zogbia.
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He is left footed (and handed looking at his contract signing) he can play on both wings.
Interesting that he has played more on the right side so far in his career.
Good Luck to him
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I will never not be happy to see us sign a left-footed Brazilian winger. I remember us signing Glenn Whelan.
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Plenty said Benteke wasn't good enough, including 'experts' and people that watched him. Same for Rogers and Duran. Maybe he's the next one, or the next Helenius. The transfer fee is the modern equivalent of the million we spent on Helenius twelve and a half years ago.
We had our pants pulled down over Helenius. Sorry that was Tottenham who pulled his pants down. As you were.
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I’m not gonna get too sentimental, but welcome Alysson.
Let's hope the world doesn't kill him.
But hopefully his aim is true
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I keep thinking we’ve signed the Liverpool keeper.
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Plenty said Benteke wasn't good enough, including 'experts' and people that watched him. Same for Rogers and Duran. Maybe he's the next one, or the next Helenius. The transfer fee is the modern equivalent of the million we spent on Helenius twelve and a half years ago.
Is it though? Don't think inflation, even football inflation, is that rampant. We have financial restrictions now so we have to be careful we don't piss it up the wall on Guessand and this young foal with Bambi legs.
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I will never not be happy to see us sign a left-footed Brazilian winger. I remember us signing Glenn Whelan.
Irish Villain > Brazillian Villain
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Yes it is. It's stupid that it is but that's how it is. We paid £6m for Delph 17 years ago.
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Welcome, be amazing please.
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Yes it is. It's stupid that it is but that's how it is. We paid £6m for Delph 17 years ago.
and it's about half what we got for Chuk, Philogene, Kellyman, Archer and AJ Ramsey. Youngsters with anything about them are going for over odds all the time and have been for the last 1520 years as every team tries to load up their youth squad in the hopes of the odd gem and the rest paying for the lot in sell-on fees a few years later.
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^ yup.
If he were one of those Brazilian teenagers who they were expecting to turn into a world beater, then Real Madrid or Benfica would have signed him for more than we're paying when he was 14 years old.
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I will never not be happy to see us sign a left-footed Brazilian winger. I remember us signing Glenn Whelan.
Irish Villain > Brazillian Villain
If you could somehow combine the two, you'd have the perfect mix.
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There were a fair few, including the Belgian on here that still owes us all a beer.
I know it's not me you're taking about mate. But anyway, as a fellow Belgian I thought big Chris was an expensive mistake. We've been in Bruges twice last year so I've bought enough beers in the Eiermarkt to make up for that. 🤣
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Looks very good, quick and strong. It'll take time for him to adapt to the PL, new country, language etc., Looks a bit similar to Jhon Duran when he first joined 3 years ago. Obviously he will get the best coaching, so we need to give him time......
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Looks very good, quick and strong. It'll take time for him to adapt to the PL, new country, language etc., Looks a bit similar to Jhon Duran when he first joined 3 years ago. Obviously he will get the best coaching, so we need to give him time......
Yep, I'm not expecting anything from him this season, that's just not what a signing like this is about.
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Clearly idea is he becomes Duran type mark 2. If not Porto or Napoli will probably give us our money back
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He came across well in his interview with Pravda. Sounds like his parents and two sisters are moving over with him. Life-changing for the whole family.
He was asked what type of player he is and even though we had a Portuguese speaker asking him the questions, he interpreted it as what type of personality he is! Shy and family-oriented (is it oriented or orientated?) in case Eastie still reads on here.
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US/UK English thing.
Agree, he comes across well.
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Seems to have a touch of Riyad Mahrez about him
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It's nice to be making signings with potential, but we won't always hit the jackpot like we did with Rogers and Duran. I would say our track record in recent times is certainly "above average", so I'm hopeful.
I'm not sure we'll see much of him in the league this season. Duran had something like a dozen appearances the season of his January arrival, while at the same age, but they averaged about 10 minutes each, and the squad was definitely weaker, so my expectations for any meaningful contributions this season are pretty low.
If the kid has it in him, then I'm sure 6 months of training and coaching with the first team will have him closer to a meaningful squad place next season.
And if we get a few exciting cameos off the bench along the way? All the better!
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If his family are moving over here too, you'd imagine a loan isn't the intention?
I suspect Emery is feeling he can be shaped pretty quickly...
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Maybe his agent has advised that if it doesn't work out at Villa or we loan him out, the aim will still be for the next X years of his career to be in Europe.
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Clearly we're thinking a work permit won't be an issue
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Welcome to Aston Villa Alysson.
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Clearly we're thinking a work permit won't be an issue
After Brexit the new points based system means it's easier for English teams to sign from Brail clubs directly. (The Brazil league is in Band 3 (of 6), same as Scottish Premiership, i think). Also, the strength of the Brazil national team will always help as that also effects it.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Alysson.
Second that, so many of these pundit expert analysis of the guy, how he's not up to the Premiership, he may be made for it, at this point we just don't know.
Welcome.
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In the squad for tomorrow?
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No. Specifically mentioned by Emery as being a missing player.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Alysson.
Second that, so many of these pundit expert analysis of the guy, how he's not up to the Premiership, he may be made for it, at this point we just don't know.
If Dan Burn can become an England international, anything's possible.
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Will be making his debut tomorrow. Could be interesting.
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I was only expecting to see him play the other side of summer.
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Will be making his debut tomorrow. Could be interesting.
cool , where did you read that ?
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Hope this doesn't mean a very make-shift team for the cup?
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Will be making his debut tomorrow. Could be interesting.
Alysson starting to happen.
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Hope this doesn't mean a very make-shift team for the cup?
Think it's a case of rotating the squad sensibly. We've got 2 games a week, every week, up to the start of February and a very realistic chance of going deep in the Europa League. You'd also look at our fixture list up to March and think - I'd take our run of fixtures over Arsenal's or Man City's.
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We don't play Everton until the 18th.
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Will be making his debut tomorrow. Could be interesting.
Alysson starting to happen.
No one heard his last name? I ain't asked.
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But we did play Nottingham Forest and Crystal Palace this week just passed, and Arsenal a few days before that.
Honestly, my considered opinion is that I couldn't give a flying fuck about the FA Cup this season, and I suspect Emery is of the same mind. Bigger fish to fry.
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We don't play Everton until the 18th.
True, but that's till in the middle of a run of 11 games in less than 6 weeks, it's a pretty hectic period of the season and we haven't really had many chances to either rest players or give extended minutes to the fringe players, not helped by injuries, bans and Afcon. I can see why Emery may decide to use this game to mix things up a little, probably not as much as some would like though.
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Assume he can't play in Europa until knockout stages?
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He probably won't be playing in Europe this season even after the knockout stages unless we don't buy anyone else. In theory we only have one spot to remove from Elliot, and that could be Barkley officially if they think his injury will be cleared by Feb. Garcia is probably the only other spot up for grabs.
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Assume he can't play in Europa until knockout stages?
Nobody can unless they're on the lists we submit to UEFA at the start of September / February.
And given we're hoping for one or two more in, it wouldn't be a big surprise if he doesn't make it on the February update.
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Ta.
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Sorry in answer to the question I saw a report somewhere saying he’s in line for his debut and that he’s been in full training with the first team squad this week.
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Sorry in answer to the question I saw a report somewhere saying he’s in line for his debut and that he’s been in full training with the first team squad this week.
Unai said he has a slight injury but he's hoping he will be on the bench
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Interesting we’re obviously looking at him having first team squad involvement.
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Sorry in answer to the question I saw a report somewhere saying he’s in line for his debut and that he’s been in full training with the first team squad this week.
Unai said he has a slight injury but he's hoping he will be on the bench
Frostbite?
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Sorry in answer to the question I saw a report somewhere saying he’s in line for his debut and that he’s been in full training with the first team squad this week.
Unai said he has a slight injury but he's hoping he will be on the bench
Frostbite?
No kidding. Tough enough to leave your homeland at 18, but to this kind of weather from the Brazilian summer must be a shock to the system.
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Is this kid the new Ivo Stas?
Not even a hint of him training with the first team before advising he is injured
Hope we see him soon
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Is this kid the new Ivo Stas?
Not even a hint of him training with the first team before advising he is injured
Hope we see him soon
I thought he'd been training with the first team up until his injury right? Unai mentioned that he wouldn't feature in the Spurs game because he was injured, which would suggest he'd at least have been on the bench.
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No sight nor sound, bit odd. Has something gone awry with this lad, already?
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He's injured.
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Yes, one of Unai’s “small injure”. Does anyone believe it?
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What's the alternative?
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What's the alternative?
Sounds like Big Physio conspiring again to me.
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Speaking of which, I was reading Liverpool FC Injuries, Ailments & Niggles magazine earlier (I'm a subscriber) and there was no mention of Villa's injuries at all. I'll read the next couple of months' editions and if there's still nothing I'll be apoplectic with miff.
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What's the alternative?
Rush RCF to his bedside? Any other Portuguesers on H&V?
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What's the alternative?
Rush RCF to his bedside?
Unfortunately, Remédio Com Fronteiras only operate in Portugal.
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Just read an article in a Brazilian magazine that may go some way to explain why we haven't seen him until now, he suffers from 'medo de ribalta'.
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"Fear of limelight"? Shouldn't be an issue at Villa!
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Oh great. Welcome to the biggest league in the world kid.
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"Fear of limelight"? Shouldn't be an issue at Villa!
Stage fright.
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Just read an article in a Brazilian magazine that may go some way to explain why we haven't seen him until now, he suffers from 'medo de ribalta'.
Took your time getting to the thread, but glad to see you've resolved matters.
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Oh great. Welcome to the biggest league in the world kid.
Only messing, OCD. I hope he turns out to be an amazing player for us, it's a lot of money to pay for somebody nobody in Brazil seem can understand why we bought him. Here's hoping he's a miracle signing and not another to add to our ever growing list of wingers we don't know what to do with.
Personally, I'd have kept Young instead of sending him off to Reading in League 1. 15 minutes off the bench would have done us and him a lot more good. To start with we don't have anybody on the right who can cross a ball. Thankfully it's just until the summer.
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He did play a full season in Brazil so he’s probably also not being rushed into things. So if he has a small knock he’s getting some additional time to recover.
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Bit odd though.
Surely you'd have expected him (and the club) to have been champing at the bit, rather than taking it easy and chill. Unless...
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Tanswell suggested he might be on the bench at Bournemouth.
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Quite excited. Scouted by Emery's first team scouts and he obviously feels confident he can perform.
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Tanswell suggested he might be on the bench at Bournemouth.
Hopefully we can see him training with the first team this week
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HAaLNZnXUAASTcu?format=jpg&name=small)
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By the look on his face he's obviously loving the weather.
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There he is. A cross to assist Gestede/Guessand/whoever our new G-star is, for the winner on Sat.
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He looks a bit like our Morgz.
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He looks a bit like our Morgz.
Ummmm...
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He looks a bit like our Morgz.
Ummmm...
You’ve lost me
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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
But he doesn't look much like Morgz to me. 😀
He does however have a similar café au lait skin tone!
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I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
But he doesn't look much like Morgz to me. 😀
He does however have a similar café au lait skin tone!
ha cafe au lait indeed. Current Morz has filled out quite a bit. This was when he signed.
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/da9c5d0d96762b47f7008737472223580b074f40/137_0_3840_2304/master/3840.jpg?width=1200&height=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=crop&s=183b612e970422310adfa7e13e6a2224)
We'll all be happy if he turns out to be anything like the player Mr Rogers has become.
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I’d forgotten all about him so he’s like a new signing to me
Oh yeah…. he is a new signing
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Bournemouth just got their own Brazilian kid called Rayan who looked very tasty in a recent game. Would be nice to see how our boy does if he gets a chance in the same game.
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We might get to see this kid tomorrow. At least on the bench. I hope he’s as good as the Brazilian lad they signed at Bournemouth. Another quality goal tonight.
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Bournemouth just got their own Brazilian kid called Rayan who looked very tasty in a recent game. Would be nice to see how our boy does if he gets a chance in the same game.
For perspective, there’s cost x3 ours
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Bournemouth just got their own Brazilian kid called Rayan who looked very tasty in a recent game. Would be nice to see how our boy does if he gets a chance in the same game.
For perspective, there’s was x3 ours
And is coming off a record of 25 goals in Brazil in a hundred matches, rather than one in thirty like ours (at the same age).
So, expectation management needed.
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Yeah, from what I’ve read our chap isn’t ready and is one for the future (or a PSR flip).
We are taking a break from signing good players for a season or so.
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Yeah, from what I’ve read our chap isn’t ready and is one for the future (or a PSR flip).
We are taking a break from signing good players for a season or so.
Writing off a player who hasn't even kicked a ball for us.
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Don't see anything wrong with what Frank has written. We have brought alot of similar players and then flipped them without seeing them playing for us and Alysson seems to be in that boat at the moment.
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It sounds to me from what Emery has said that he wants to involve him but hasn't been able to for whatever reason. Let''s just see what happens.
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Writing off a player ?
Thats some leap from suggesting the kid isn’t quite ready.
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Writing off a player ?
Thats some leap from suggesting the kid isn’t quite ready.
I think it was the 'taking a break from signing good players' comment which made me think he was talking about him. If he wasnt, then fair enough.
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Maybe "taking a break from signing players to improve the first team" might be a better way to phrase it.
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That being said, we lost three very very good players in a short amount of time. I dont think its a case of not signing good players. We not only have our hands tied but we only had a few weeks to bring players in to give the squad a boost.
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That being said, we lost three very very good players in a short amount of time.
Not when we signed Alysson, we hadn't.
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He's a promising young player who may, or may not, become a first team player. If he does, great, if he doesn't then we'll no doubt sell him on for a bit of profit.
He wasn't signed to make a massive difference to the first team, as Rashford was last January, but let's just wait and see. There's nothing wrong with the signing per se, it's just that people want big names who can improve the first team.
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Rayan's header for Bournemouth last night at Everton was like that of a seasoned pro from Humberside. The boy's got talent and fight. £75m to Liverpool in 18 months.
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Rayan's header for Bournemouth last night at Everton was like that of a seasoned pro from Humberside. The boy's got talent and fight. £75m to Liverpool in 18 months.
well it looked like he could just effortlessly walk past Digne last Saturday . Oh wait he did !!
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An actual picture of the actual Allyson training with the first team - whoo hoo
Maybe on bench tonight rather than extra goalkeepers?
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* conspiracy alert *
From the few minutes today, Alyson looks to play a lot like Rogers when he arrived - makes me wonder if we targeted someone with similar attributes and plan to groom him as a successor in case we get a 'too good to turn down' offer for Rogers this summer.
Obviously it could all turn to nothing, but it could be a wee bit like Luiz/Tielemans situation ?
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* conspiracy alert *
From the few minutes today, Alyson looks to play a lot like Rogers when he arrived - makes me wonder if we targeted someone with similar attributes and plan to groom him as a successor in case we get a 'too good to turn down' offer for Rogers this summer.
Obviously it could all turn to nothing, but it could be a wee bit like Luiz/Tielemans situation ?
He didn’t strike me as being an out and out winger so very plausible
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Thought it was very telling that Unai had the confidence to bring him on when we still needed a goal. Says a lot about how well he regards him.
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It’s not the only similarity. He’s also got the same “cafe au lait” skin tone
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This is getting weird.
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Yeah, kind of feeling like I'm reading 1950s erotica.
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Needs to start on Saturday.
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I don’t know about “needs”. If he’s ready to start great, but he’s played a decent 15 mins.
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That isn’t a criticism by the way, it’s just a reflection of how new he is to the environment.
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Needs to start on Saturday.
I wouldn't be averse to it, if it meant Rogers getting a rest. Have Morgz on the bench ready to come on. if we've a chance of winning it late on.
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It seemed like Maatsen got quite exposed a couple of times after he came on
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It seemed like Maatsen got quite exposed a couple of times after he came on
Yep, I noticed that too. Not a criticism of his effort though, more that he was just a bit more advanced on that side - which might have been to instruction, given we were chasing a win.
I'm not sure I agree with those calling for him to start, but I am more than happy to see a few more length cameos to see what he can do. He looks to have the necessary attributes physically, so let's see him go at a couple of players 1v1, and be subject to a few tackles before we decide if he's ready for the starting eleven.
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Think it's mad asking for him to get a start as it stands. He's still almost entirely fresh to the league and European football in general. One bad performance or a hook at half time could set him back months.
Give him a few 20 minute stretches here and there and let him grow naturally into what it means to play at this level. Better youngsters have been ruined by overly zealous introductions to the PL.
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If this chap can use his feet as well as his shoulders, we might have a player.
Loved his dinked shoulder pass in the last minute and his control from the long pass.
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He was playing out of position. Normally right-sided. Odd that we have 3 or 4 that can play on the right and really only Rogers on the left. Again, poor recruitment.
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He was playing out of position. Normally right-sided. Odd that we have 3 or 4 that can play on the right and really only Rogers on the left. Again, poor recruitment.
He’s young enough to adjust to playing on the other side and I imagine that, like Rogers, Unai will want him to be flexible enough to play in more than one position.
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It seemed like Maatsen got quite exposed a couple of times after he came on
Yep, I noticed that too. Not a criticism of his effort though, more that he was just a bit more advanced on that side - which might have been to instruction, given we were chasing a win.
I'm not sure I agree with those calling for him to start, but I am more than happy to see a few more length cameos to see what he can do. He looks to have the necessary attributes physically, so let's see him go at a couple of players 1v1, and be subject to a few tackles before we decide if he's ready for the starting eleven.
He's certainly got the haircut. From the highlights I've seen of him in Brazil, he's used to being chopped down but always seems to bounce straight back up. Let's see how long it takes him to start rolling around. Like others, I was generally impressed with his cameo, certainly no worse than those we've had this season playing on the wing.
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He was playing out of position. Normally right-sided. Odd that we have 3 or 4 that can play on the right and really only Rogers on the left. Again, poor recruitment.
Why is it poor recruitment? He’s a young kid who will be developed to be an all round winger. But also, Bailey is back and is better on the right. So this allowed Emery to accommodate both. Long term I expect Alysson to be on the right. Bailey likely won’t be here next season.
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Because we signed him from Brazil were seen to be forgetting that he's only 19. Rory Wilson is now 20 and we still think he's a kid who may or may not come through. Alyson has already made his debut
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It seemed like Maatsen got quite exposed a couple of times after he came on
Yep, I noticed that too. Not a criticism of his effort though, more that he was just a bit more advanced on that side - which might have been to instruction, given we were chasing a win.
I'm not sure I agree with those calling for him to start, but I am more than happy to see a few more length cameos to see what he can do. He looks to have the necessary attributes physically, so let's see him go at a couple of players 1v1, and be subject to a few tackles before we decide if he's ready for the starting eleven.
He's certainly got the haircut. From the highlights I've seen of him in Brazil, he's used to being chopped down but always seems to bounce straight back up. Let's see how long it takes him to start rolling around. Like others, I was generally impressed with his cameo, certainly no worse than those we've had this season playing on the wing.
Above all, someone playing wide who doesn't look like a passing breeze is about to blow him off the ball.
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He was playing out of position. Normally right-sided. Odd that we have 3 or 4 that can play on the right and really only Rogers on the left. Again, poor recruitment.
Buendia plays on left. Sancho allegedly prefers it out there. McGinn can do a job.
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It just felt odd that we end up playing him out of position on his debut. Surely a more senior player should take on the responsibility.
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What has football become if we can’t imagine that a left footed player can play on the left wing? Can he also not head a ball because he has a head?
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And I missed the match because I was playing pool…so I missed the debut…did he have a right foot as well as a left?
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Is he left-footed? The fashion for inverted wingers will surely die out before the next government.
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Bet it doesn’t before the current one does
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Is he left-footed? The fashion for inverted wingers will surely die out before the next government.
Thoughts for the day: How long does something need to exist before it stops being a fashion, and becomes established norm? Is there a phase in-between? Is a 'trend' something different to a 'fashion'? Is the length of time before being called a trend shorter if the speaker is younger?
Is this just evidence I've been listening to the Football Cliches podcast too long?
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I'd ask if he's any good at taking penalties but it seems a moot point this season.
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We might have to take five or more tomorrow.
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Where was he last night?
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Where was he last night?
Out on the piss in Dublin with his mates.
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Picked up “a knock in training” and they decided not to risk him according to The Athletic.
Presume we’ll see him some time in December 2028.
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Picked up “a knock in training” and they decided not to risk him according to The Athletic.
Presume we’ll see him some time in December 2028.
So he arrived injured, played for 25 minutes and has now picked up another knock?
This kid’s gonna fit right in!
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Looked quite dynamic, hard working, strong and skillfull in his fleeting cameo. I wonder if we "have to" sell Rogers in the summer he could fill his boots.
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Massive step-up from what he's done in Brazil. I'm surprised he's been integrated so quickly but then we're budgetarily banjaxed so maybe not so surprising.
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Looked quite dynamic, hard working, strong and skillfull in his fleeting cameo. I wonder if we "have to" sell Rogers in the summer he could fill his boots.
That is an incredibly enormous ask.
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Surely Burrowes has to come in to contention.
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I thought he looked good on Friday and I'd love to see him start against Chelsea. Shame he doesn't play down the right, that would be ideal. Or could he play on that side?
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I thought he looked good on Friday and I'd love to see him start against Chelsea. Shame he doesn't play down the right, that would be ideal. Or could he play on that side?
Emery said his best position is on the right.
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I thought he looked good on Friday and I'd love to see him start against Chelsea. Shame he doesn't play down the right, that would be ideal. Or could he play on that side?
Emery said his best position is on the right.
Obviously he needs a bit of protection, But anybody else other than Bailey on the right would be an improvement.
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A bit of a wildcard, thought he looked OK but him and Maatsen seemed to get in each other's way a bit.
I'd probably, reluctantly, say Sancho is our first choice wide player, but this guy would be above Bailey, even if just for the unpredictability factor. We all know what Bailey will do, which is fuck all.
Alysson beat his man and smashed a ball across a couple of times, we just need a couple of dodgy deflections and we might win a game.
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I noticed how many goals yesterday came from deflections, pity we can't get close enough for that to happen.
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I'd start him on the right, we are so predictable and void of creativity that we need something that offers a spark, and may give Rogers and Co a lift too.
But obviously, he needs time to 'adapt' so won't be anywhere near.
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I thought he looked good on Friday and I'd love to see him start against Chelsea. Shame he doesn't play down the right, that would be ideal. Or could he play on that side?
Emery said his best position is on the right.
Obviously he needs a bit of protection, But anybody else other than Bailey on the right would be an improvement.
Alison Hammond would be at the moment.
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He's injured again.
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Out until after the international break.
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He's made of Onana.
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When you take a young man out of the favela and he is exposed to the majesty of Brum, he's obviously going to find something better to do than sideways passing drills and tracking back.
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When you take a young man out of the favela and he is exposed to the majesty of Brum, he's obviously going to find something better to do than sideways passing drills and tracking back.
Don't claim to be ITK, but he's a Gaúcho and I've heard he's been spending a lot of time in Hereford, as that's where the best UK beef is.