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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on November 01, 2025, 10:03:11 PM
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Predictable. Love all the laughing and hugging at the end. Just like a plucky underdog on a big day out should be.
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A bit pathetic really
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Predictable, loss, and even more predictable was the fact we gifted it to them.
Get in at HT 0-0 the crowd start to get twitchy, although we'd already helped get them fired up by giving away some good chances. Ah well.
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Disappointing.
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I'd be obliged if someone would explain to me just what Guessand brings to the party?
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Predictable. Love all the laughing and hugging at the end. Just like a plucky underdog on a big day out should be.
I guess when you’re on £100kpw minimum it’s all irrelevant who wins and loses
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I'd be obliged if someone would explain to me just what Guessand brings to the party?
Crisps, jelly and a paper hat.
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First half performance was decent from what I saw before the clusterf**k from Emi which killed it a bit from a mentality POV.
Second half was disappointing all over. We needed to get those subs on at 1-0, asking a huge amount for them to do anything chasing two goals.
A few takeaways. Guessand was the safe selection tonight, Malen more the wildcard pick. Perhaps if we want to stop losing at the likes of Newcastle, Man. United later on in the season we might need to roll the dice a bit more at the start of games.
I also know Liverpool had the game wrapped up at 2-0 and were sitting back but we just look so much more dynamic down the left with Maatsen-Sancho.
It has its flaws defensively but I want to see those two starting some prem games soon. Please let's not get to March and it is still not trusted to start big games for us.
Beyond that we were competitive in midfield and at the back but you simply can't give up the goal we did at such a crucial time against these opponents and it cost us yet again.
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Very passive, will we ever grow a pair and actually go there and try to win. They were there for the taking today but we just handed them the game on a plate.
The only silver lining is Rogers looks back close to his best.
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Didier Dome said Guessand was quick and strong before the game tonight on Bien Sports.
He looks neither to me.
I dont know what his strenghtns are. He seems to just run with it until he loses it.
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As soon as McGinn went off we lost all intensity. They’re about £500m better, but only two goals. And fuck off TNT with your embarrassing coverage.
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I find the negativity over the top.
They were never losing 5 in a row . If we played them a week ago I would have been more confident. If they had won 5 in a row I would have been more confident.
Maybe t'internt isn't for me
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Who would have thought that the first half would be our good half.
Not good enough, though I don't get the Sancho-hate, thought he did ok when he came on - looking to drive at them and get in behind.
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The only good player was Martínez.
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Thought we got our tactics wrong. You can’t play out from the back when you don’t retain possession. We looked much better when we finally went more direct after the subs.
Midfield was off today.
I hope now we might formally object to Attwell taking our matches. It is beyond ridiculous.
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Very passive, will we ever grow a pair and actually go there and try to win. They were there for the taking today but we just handed them the game on a plate.
The only silver lining is Rogers looks back close to his best.
We do it at VP against pretty much every opponent.
There is still a tentativeness away from home and more of a desire just to get to half time at 0-0.
As said above constantly picking Guessand over Malen kind of plays into that just hold on for a draw mentality if we're away to a hard opponent.
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The only good player was Martínez.
Troll
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Did the scousers put on fireworks for us ?
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The only good player was Martínez.
Troll
Ok. You got me… he had a bad game. I admit it
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I fucking hate Liverpool. That is all.
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Thought Cash and Konsa were our best players.The rest? Meh.
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They were terrible and we gave them the game, but when it comes down to it we had neither the guile or the heart to get back into it.
Sometimes we just ask to be beaten, tonight was one of those nights and it is bitterly disappointing.
As good as the Manager is and it's not his fault for either of the goals, there is that frustration that whenever it's close we conspire to kick it further away.
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Just basically handed it to them on a plate. Was ever thus, Liverpool or Man U on a bad run, along come Villa to help them out 😡
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The only good player was Martínez.
Just **** off.
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A few things:
First time in several games Liverpool played with a sensible structure, in part due to Gravenberch being back. So they weren’t the basket case that has been playing of late.
We played well for a good chunk of the first half, and were the better side. However, we were making the odd really bad error and then Martinez made his error just before half time and that stuffed us.
After halftime, even before the second, which we gifted, they were pretty comfortable.
We lacked spark today, Rogers was largely left on his own to create. If Guessand is going to be anything more than a fill in he’s going to have to do so much more than he is.
The biggest thing we need to address is we have to start creating chances and scoring in the box - it takes absolutely wonder strikes/goals for us to score at the moment. We need some much more high frequency, scrappy type goals.
But all in all if you’d offered me 6 points from the last 3 games I’d have bitten your hand off. So in the round we’ve done well of late. Disappointing today, but hardly a disaster.
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Thought Cash and Konsa were our best players.The rest? Meh.
Kamara did fine. Love that little nutmeg near the end.
I think a problem is our players are alright but when under pressure the passing does get ragged. Pau is good on the ball but for their second he just booted it straight up the pitch and that was too easy a giveaway and they scored five seconds later.
We are good playing out from the back against most opponents. We aren't World Class at it though as too often we make mistakes in big games that lead to goals and tonight was another.
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It’s a mentality thing. Games with big expectations we don’t seem to cope. This goes all the way back to sheff utd when we could have gone top.
Happens too often not to be an issue.
Very frustrating as they were there to be got at tonight.
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Just basically handed it to them on a plate. Was ever thus, Liverpool or Man U on a bad run, along come Villa to help them out 😡
It’s boringly repetitive.
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The only good player was Martínez.
Just **** off.
Just ignore mate, it’s a boring, odd, routine.
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Jesus shit result and the cave troll escaped Moria.
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The only good player was Martínez.
Just **** off.
Just ignore mate, it’s a boring, odd, routine.
I thought he played ok. Care to disagree? World no.1.
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You could have written the match report before the game.
They didn't press us into errors, we gave them away with pure slopiness.
We need another option up front, who can hold the ball.
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I said in the preach thread, we need to go and have a go. We didn’t and the result was all so predictable. Anytime we roll into Old Trafford or Anfield, the result is etched in stone before we even get off the bus. Sure we may win once every decade or so but typically we all know what’s gonna happen. I’m so tired of it.
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A few things:
First time in several games Liverpool played with a sensible structure, in part due to Gravenberch being back. So they weren’t the basket case that has been playing of late.
We played well for a good chunk of the first half, and were the better side. However, we were making the odd really bad error and then Martinez made his error just before half time and that stuffed us.
After halftime, even before the second, which we gifted, they were pretty comfortable.
We lacked spark today, Rogers was largely left on his own to create. If Guessand is going to be anything more than a fill in he’s going to have to do so much more than he is.
The biggest thing we need to address is we have to start creating chances and scoring in the box - it takes absolutely wonder strikes/goals for us to score at the moment. We need some much more high frequency, scrappy type goals.
But all in all if you’d offered me 6 points from the last 3 games I’d have bitten your hand off. So in the round we’ve done well of late. Disappointing today, but hardly a disaster.
Yep. Six points is excellent and I thought we'd get four at the most.
People will probably kneejerk at us having a good run and still only being 11th but the table is ridiculously tight. Win tonight and we'd have gone 3rd.
Three of our next five are against Leeds, Wolves and West Ham and we usually do very well away to Brighton so it is there for us to be in the top 5 for Xmas period and we should be with the upturn in results in last month. Tielemans back will help also.
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I said in the preach thread, we need to go and have a go. We didn’t and the result was all so predictable. Anytime we roll into Old Trafford or Anfield, the result is etched in stone before we even get off the bus. Sure we may win once every decade or so but typically we all know what’s gonna happen. I’m so tired of it.
Amen brother.
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I suppose given the last 3 games against Spurs, Man City and Liverpool, 6 points is a decent return. But, an opportunity missed tonight.
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The only good player was Martínez.
Cut your trolling nonsense out or find somewhere else to post.
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The only good player was Martínez.
Cut your trolling nonsense out or find somewhere else to post.
So he was bad? What do you mean? He’s world no. 1. He’s ours? Let’s cherish him. Jeez cut him some slack.. he makes a few mistakes sometimes in the most important games. Because t he’s world no.1. He is. That’s what people say/
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Could have stomached losing somewhat more palatably if the shackles were unscrewed and we had given it a “bit of a go” . Too laboured and predictable tonight.
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Piss poor performance against a nothing special Liverpool.
How can Martinez make such a stupid mistake?
Expect Guessland and Watkins to get new, improved contracts next week, assuming anybody can find them. Useless the pair of them.
Youri can't come back quick enough, Onana returned to playing Statues. Acres of space to move into to receive the ball from Martinez but he just stands there.Bogarde must be wondering what he needs to do to start right now.
We really missed McGinn today. Nice work, Unai.
Konsa was the only one who can hold his head up high after that shower of bollocks.
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"Well deserved Liverpool victory"
Off we go with the bullshit, just what the sub editors want.
Unconvincing is the word I would use, and it was only our paucity that helped them over the line.
I hate losing but tonight my frustration isn't that we lost, it's that we could've so easily won.
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The only good player was Martínez.
Cut your trolling nonsense out or find somewhere else to post.
So he was bad? What do you mean? He’s world no. 1. He’s ours? Let’s cherish him. Jeez cut him some slack.. he makes a few mistakes sometimes in the most important games. Because t he’s world no.1. He is. That’s what people say/
Goodbye. You were asked relatively politely.
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I suppose given the last 3 games against Spurs, Man City and Liverpool, 6 points is a decent return. But, an opportunity missed tonight.
Beat Bournemouth and we'll be on 18 points after 11 games. I think we were on 54 points after 33 last season so on track for another top 6 season.
For anyone who actually thinks we can finish 2nd or 3rd this season tonight's performance is a bit of a reality check which isn't a bad thing.
We lost 3-0 to Liverpool in September 2023 and still finished comfortably top 4 so a loss tonight dosen't rule out anything like that.
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Thought Cash and Konsa were our best players.The rest? Meh.
They were both good, Konsa especially so. Cash crossing with his right foot still very poor, puts in a cracker then with his left late on. Rogers was very good in the first half too. Our subs were all ok but didn't understand putting Malen right wing and Barkley further forward. Should have gone with two up top then. Maatsen and Sancho could have come on earlier too on the left.
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Huffed and puffed but didn’t look like scoring once we went behind.
The worry is the that the cumulative goal threat from all our supposed attacking players doesn’t add up to enough.
Ollie, Malen, Guessand, Rogers, Sancho, Buendia - if you could play all 6 of them you wouldn’t get 30 goals a season.
Needs a rethink in January.
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Started quickly and then faded, in contrast to what we've done recently.
Emery will be happy with the start, but not with how we ceded control.
6/9 from Spuds and Liverpool away, and Citeh at home is a return that most of us would probably have been happy with two weeks ago.
Just neeed to mash Maccabi and batter Bournemouth.
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Good for the first fifteen minutes or so. Then the old inferiority complex reared it's head and there was only going to be one winner.
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Every season of I were Villa Manager, I would never bother going to A field or Old Trafford, I'd take a 3 nil hit for throwing both games and keep my teams integrity intact. Just damaging and not needed. The gain in morale alone not having to go and fulfill this bull shit would be worth the 3 points and 6 goal deficit
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One gift and one flukey deflected goal. Our biggest issue was keeping the ball uptop. I am a big Watkins fan but wtf has happened to his entire game?
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Thought we were good for 30 mins. Liverpool looked suspect at the back. Lost a little bit of control and then suicide from Martinez. The second wasn't much better with the very poor pass out from Torres. Getting beat by Liverpool is one thing, gifting them goals is another. It seems a huge missed opportunity. The Villa away support was also really poor. No atmosphere at all. Not looking forward to the long drive back to South West Wales..
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Nothing in the game. A gift and a wild deflection. Just typical of us up here.
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I do want to see Elliott start to get more opportunity. He is the kind of player who can bring what we’re missing.
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I thought Konsa Cash and Onana came out of that with some credit. Rogers for the first half too. Poor from a lot of the others. We couldn’t keep the pressure off the defence or get Ollie in to the game so feel it was a midfield issue. Kamara didn’t have his usual flawless game and McGinn couldn’t really get involved. Some easier games coming up now at least in theory.
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Thought we were good for 30 mins. Liverpool looked suspect at the back. Lost a little bit of control and then suicide from Martinez. The second wasn't much better with the very poor pass out from Torres. Getting beat by Liverpool is one thing, gifting them goals is another. It seems a huge missed opportunity. The Villa away support was also really poor. No atmosphere at all. Not looking forward to the long drive back to South West Wales..
It's just awful playing football games at that time. You always hear our support but it was noticeably sporadic today, and I understand why of course.
It felt like Palace at home, the second they moved it to such a shit ko time you know it's a lost cause.
Safe journey home.
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6points from the last 3 games is good return. So onwards!
Disapointed tonight - but obviously not surprising. Was probably about 50-50 until we gifted the first.
Let in two soft goals. Some off days by Emi & Digne. Kamara and Onnana werent at there best.
Biggest concern in general is our forwards. Rogers looked good, but Watkins is still off it - probably thats more because he isnt getting the chances.
Guessard defensively seems ok. But going forward he just seems miles off as a PL player. Sancho looks more threatening, but yet to deliver anything. Elliot (tho ineligable) needs ro be sent back as we simply cant afford to spend 40m on a player unless were pretty certain they are going to significantly improve the squad.
Since Smith - Rogers is the only player in the squad that in the front 4 positions that is an improvement.
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Weep. Cringe.
Salah scores as Liverpool end losing streak with win over Villa - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/videos/c0mxxkwevrno
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6 points from Spuds City£h Scousers. 2 away of 3. Maybe not so bad overall. Time will tell.
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6 points from Spuds City£h Scousers. 2 away of 3. Maybe not so bad overall. Time will tell.
Beating Bournemouth at home is far more important to our season than a draw at Liverpool.
People might see that as negative but it is realistic for where we are.
Also worth noting that Liverpool have still won 5/6 at Anfield this season in prem and CL. Beat Bournemouth, Arsenal, Everton and us and Atletico Madrid in CL and Man. United also rode their luck massively to win there so their vulnerabilities are getting exposed more on the road.
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Level on points with us and on a crap run. We should have put on a better performance than that.
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Annoying.
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Sometimes you lose a game.
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Well said.
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A bit pathetic really
Pathetic? Behave yourself.Bad mistake by Emi and a flukey deflection done us.
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The first goal, the manner of it and the timing killed it for us. Up until then I thought we’d done reasonably well and Rogers was causing them plenty of problems.
Nagging concern we don’t have enough goals in us.
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A bit pathetic really
Pathetic? Behave yourself.Bad mistake by Emi and a flukey deflection done us.
Had Liverpool approached it like recent games, rather than more sensible pragmatism, I think we could have won. But we were playing a team more akin to last season’s Liverpool, albeit lower on confidence.
We were good in the first half, but across the game we were uncharacteristically sloppy and ultimately that cost us.
I do think though, we need to start creating more opportunities for “simple” goals. It’s a low percentage game to try and score goal of the month contenders each week. I think our lack of threat out wide is a big contributor.
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He did get the tactics wrong tonight though.
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The biggest thing we need to address is we have to start creating chances and scoring in the box - it takes absolutely wonder strikes/goals for us to score at the moment. We need some much more high frequency, scrappy type goals.
Absolutely, I was thinking the other day, if this carries on our Villa Goal of the Season is going to be crazy, worldies from outside the box every game but very few tap-ins to fill in the blanks. Looking at the league table we're again struggling to score as most in the league and we all know what a shit goal difference can do to ruin a season. Most teams above us have scored or close to double what we've managed.
Plenty of work to do and more importantly finding a solution to our strikers lack of goals. Over to you, Unai.
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We were comfortable until the Emi stuff up, it nearly happened earlier but we got away with that one. Guessand is not speedy enough to play his position, he does the defensive work okay but poor going forward. Really getting worried about Ollie now, he was a passenger for most of the game. Looked better with the subs but we were never going to be a serious challenge today.
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Might need to get Maatsen into the team to get in behind the opposition. Those cut backs to the penalty spot simply aren't happening for the more straight forward goals. That's not Digne's game at all these days and Cash is really poor in those positions.
Sancho, Elliot, Buendia, McGinn, probably even Rogers all prefer to play in front of a defence.
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Might need to get Maatsen into the team to get in behind the opposition. Those cut backs to the penalty spot simply aren't happening for the more straight forward goals. That's not Digne's game at all these days and Cash is really poor in those positions.
Sancho, Elliot, Buendia, McGinn, probably even Rogers all prefer to play in front of a defence.
So you know better than Emery?
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Missed the first half an hour. We gave them a goal, had plenty of possession but struggled to create much, and they got a jammy deflection. Would have taken six points from nine. Life goes on.
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Might need to get Maatsen into the team to get in behind the opposition. Those cut backs to the penalty spot simply aren't happening for the more straight forward goals. That's not Digne's game at all these days and Cash is really poor in those positions.
Sancho, Elliot, Buendia, McGinn, probably even Rogers all prefer to play in front of a defence.
So you know better than Emery?
Everybody knows better than the coach after a defeat.
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I snuck away from a wedding reception for that. I still haven't decided if i regret it or not, wedding receptions being what they are.
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Like last season's game, I was at a gig, checked the phone at half time and full time at both, reading how we gifted goals, either being counter-attacked twice from our own corners and letting their South American Begbie run rampant or in tonight's case pass them the ball in dangerous areas and tell them to help themselves.
I'll just keep the phone switched off on the first Saturday evening of next November and tap my feet to the sub-bass instead.
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I snuck away from a wedding reception for that. I still haven't decided if i regret it or not, wedding receptions being what they are.
Congratulations, may your marriage be a happy one.
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Lots of negativity on here. Some justified. But had either of Rogers or Cash shots against the post gone in, it could have been different - coupled with the Emi brainfart and deflected goal of course. Sometimes games turn against you like that.
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If only etc......
We were absolutely terrible 2nd half and fully deserved to be beaten.
Crap.
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In all honesty I didn’t think we’d get a result but the way we gave it to them, Emi should be inconsolable.
That gift fucked us. Had we kept to 0-0 at the break it would have given us a really good chance.
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Lots of negativity on here. Some justified. But had either of Rogers or Cash shots against the post gone in, it could have been different - coupled with the Emi brainfart and deflected goal of course. Sometimes games turn against you like that.
Agreed. A fair-minded neutral (obviously there are not many of those among the pundit class) would say we were unlucky.
Still optimistic about our prospects this season with Buendia and Tielemans coming back. Little Emi, Malen, Sancho should all be above Guessand in the pecking order for a place IMO.
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Lots of negativity on here. Some justified. But had either of Rogers or Cash shots against the post gone in, it could have been different - coupled with the Emi brainfart and deflected goal of course. Sometimes games turn against you like that.
But that misses the point that many of us made already that we knew this would be the outcome because it’s iwhat we do. Anfield, Etihad or Old Trafford, it doesn’t matter - we go there and be passive and let them flatter themselves, even when they are struggling,
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Martinez lost us that game, simple as. To do that 2 minutes before half time, instead of just knocking the ball 50 yards up the pitch, was ridiculous. If you've played football at any level you'll just get to half time by any means and take stock from there and at 0-0 we were still well in the game.
Positives were Rogers is looking better each game and Cash is really kicking on to look like an excellent right back.
Negatives, Guessand was terrible - again
Watkins still doesn't look right, somethings missing.
McGinn on the left doesn't work
Midfield was complete opposite to the fight and grit showed last week
Passing was sloppy throughout
Martinez looks a shadow of previous seasons, it's obvious he wanted off and is pissed off to still be here.
Thankfully, it's over for another season, the TNT wank fest was probably the most biased presentation I've seen, and that's saying something.
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what happened to Mings ?
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what happened to Mings ?
He was running back, looked like he pulled his hamstring.
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Emery confirmed hamstring.
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Tottenham away, Manchester City at home, Liverpool away, expected points? Arguably one, against city? We took six points out of nine and moved comfortably up the table. Hopefully, we have an easier period to come and four home games out of the next five. Cause for optimism. Last night, silly mistakes led to our own down fall. We have to take it and move on.
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Tottenham away, Manchester City at home, Liverpool away, expected points? Arguably one, against city? We took six points out of nine and moved comfortably up the table. Hopefully, we have an easier period to come and four home games out of the next five. Cause for optimism. Last night, silly mistakes led to our own down fall. We have to take it and move on.
Yep that’s largely where I am. Liverpool picking/being able to pick a much more pragmatic team was always going to make it tough.
But one problem we do need to address it’s chance creation, or the absence of it. I’ve said it a few times, as have others, but we’re not creating a high volume of chances for “simple” goals. We really need to start that. I think it’s an absence of effective wide play contributing to it.
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Disappointing result and it wasn't as if Liverpool played that well. If Emi looks to his right and plays it out to the unmarked Konsa (i think), we go in 0-0 and who knows.
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^^ Spot on on the chance creation Paul.
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Only saw the first 30 mins last night, in which we looked good, although we got away with a couple of brain farts defensively, so warning signs were there.
Just watched MOTD, though Ashley Williams review of how we played or how Unai set us, missed the point, in thats how we always play (passing out patiently from the back), there was a valid point in his analysis, in thats how we didn’t really try and play to Liverpool’s weaknesses with longer balls.
Anyway, law of averages suggests they were unlikely to lose. We are a good team and will bounce back, but the points made about us not creating simple tap in like chances is a good one. And Ollie Watkins really needs a tap in.
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Scoring first was the key to the game. It gave them a confidence boost and knocked us back. If we’d got the first or even held out for 60 minutes the opposite would have happened.
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what happened to Mings ?
He was running back, looked like he pulled his hamstring.
Only from the telly but it looked like him coming on was rushed..not warmed up properly?
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I've been saying since early in the season that we don't create much. After 10 league games how many really good chances have we created? We're too reliant on the dreaded "bit of magic", and when you have a game where you create better chances for the opposition attackers than you do your own then it will rarely end well.
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The only good player was Martínez.
Cut your trolling nonsense out or find somewhere else to post.
So he was bad? What do you mean? He’s world no. 1. He’s ours? Let’s cherish him. Jeez cut him some slack.. he makes a few mistakes sometimes in the most important games. Because t he’s world no.1. He is. That’s what people say/
I've slept on it, he's a wanker and he can get fucked.
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I've been saying since early in the season that we don't create much. After 10 league games how many really good chances have we created? We're too reliant on the dreaded "bit of magic", and when you have a game where you create better chances for the opposition attackers than you do your own then it will rarely end well.
And one of the reasons is we're not getting enough bodies in the box on an attack.
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Rogers is getting back to his best form that’s my positive take on the game.
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Rogers is getting back to his best form that’s my positive take on the game.
Absolutely.
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It's a shame Liverpool scored their second as Malen and Barkley were just coming on.
Maybe we'd have turned it round at 1-0 then.
That being said, I was itching for Emery to bring Broggio on. Would have been good experience.
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I'm still seething this morning because of another missed opportunity. The opposition were more solid than of late but still didn't look anything special.
Sometimes it can be more annoying than a proper shalacking.
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Emery got it wrong I'm not saying go full Egil Olsen all game but they could of mixed it up a bit especially after Slots confessions.
you'd thnk out of the whole squad Martinez has the most big game experience, so to make that kind of blunder is shocking. A minute to go till half time. Go in at 0-0 and there's still fragility in liverpools players minds.
Watkins feeding off scraps all night, Rogers dangerous when he had the ball but didn't get the ball enough
Guessand is technically shit but is a big lump who works hard.
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Emery got it wrong I'm not saying go full Egil Olsen all game but they could of mixed it up a bit especially after Slots confessions.
you'd thnk out of the whole squad Martinez has the most big game experience, so to make that kind of blunder is shocking. A minute to go till half time. Go in at 0-0 and there's still fragility in liverpools players minds.
Watkins feeding off scraps all night, Rogers dangerous when he had the ball but didn't get the ball enough
Guessand is technically shit but is a big lump who works hard.
That is the best analysis of Guessand that I’ve read anywhere.
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We don't create enough simple chances at all. I wonder what the stats are for the league as I suspect down the lost for chance creation on the box. Form aside, being reliant on 'Worldies' is ridiculous.
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You're not to get many chances at Anfield. It helps not to gift them. Nothing of consequence between either side, save a catastrophically poor error and a typical Liverpool enthused deflection.
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What's the Egil Olsen reference again? Haven't thought about the man since circa 2001 and am now wondering if I've led the right life since.
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SJM has been superb all season, but yesterday he made very little impact on the game and one of the factors, why we got nothing from the match.
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We didnt know what to do when we got up to the Liverpool penalty area apart from have a shot from distance.
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We’re much more solid than last year - two bad errors yesterday, but we don’t look like we’re going to concede as soon as we’re put under strain. However, without Rashford, Asensio, and Tielemans we look much more laboured in attack.
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Margins--keeper make a very good save
keeper makes an error
shot hits the post
shot deflected and goes in
I am not suggesting Liverpool were not the better side but the above appeared to be the main difference.
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What's the Egil Olsen reference again? Haven't thought about the man since circa 2001 and am now wondering if I've led the right life since.
He was manager for Norway national team with much success (relatively to usual standard for that team (I m a Norwegian myself)) in the nineties. After manager for Wimbledon I think. A stubborn relating on a his worked out system for how his team should play the game - not so much on players general ability but more how they - with each their own spesific talent, could do a role in his system. In this was he had to use the players for his disposal; limitations in this regard. In fact I have sometimes been thinking of him when I have been thinking about Emery as a manger , I m not thinking they are much similar though.
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Margins--keeper make a very good save
keeper makes an error
shot hits the post
shot deflected and goes in
I am not suggesting Liverpool were not the better side but the above appeared to be the main difference.
We are in agreement.
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SJM has been superb all season, but yesterday he made very little impact on the game and one of the factors, why we got nothing from the match.
He has played well in that position before but he's better on the right.
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SJM has been superb all season, but yesterday he made very little impact on the game and one of the factors, why we got nothing from the match.
He has played well in that position before but he's better on the right.
He was hugging the touchline for most of the game. He's no left winger and as Villa Lew said, 'one of the factors, why we got nothing from the match'. A crazy decision where we decided to compromise our strengths in fear of theirs.
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We gifted a goal and their second was a deflection. We hit the post and bar. I'm not going to get too upset about this result. Onwards and upwards!!
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We gifted a goal and their second was a deflection. We hit the post and bar. I'm not going to get too upset about this result. Onwards and upwards!!
I think the fact it was gifts is where the moans mostly lie. If an unbelievable move or worldie screamer was scored, it would have been unpreventable (although Onana/Guessand/Martinez* (delete as appropriate) would have been blamed)
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You can talk about fine margins and hitting the woodwork.
But we were mostly bloody awful.
I think we must have made more completed passes to Liverpool.
Apart from Cash and Konza they were shite.
A complete opposite to the great performance v Citeh.
It would have to be against Liverpool.
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We gifted a goal and their second was a deflection. We hit the post and bar. I'm not going to get too upset about this result. Onwards and upwards!!
Pretty much where I am with it. We were not outclassed at all, and our poits haul from the last three games is pretty good all things considered.
I continue to be pissed off with Martinez. Have been ever since the non performance at Man Utd last game of the season, worsened by the disgraceful antics in the summer, and not helped by his crap form all this season.
I hope he gets sold in January, meanwhile I'd be picking Bizot.
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Yesterday's gaff aside, I think Emi has been fine this season. He made some very good saves against Man City and Spurs which people tend to forget.
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Yesterday's gaff aside, I think Emi has been fine this season. He made some very good saves against Man City and Spurs which people tend to forget.
He also bailed Kamara out from a terrible error too.
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You can talk about fine margins and hitting the woodwork.
But we were mostly bloody awful.
I think we must have made more completed passes to Liverpool.
Apart from Cash and Konza they were shite.
A complete opposite to the great performance v Citeh.
It would have to be against Liverpool.
I really don't get why you think we were bloody awful. We played some excellent stuff at times. I'll admit we didn't reach the heights of the City performance but we were were not awful in my view. Rogers is getting back to his best and they struggled to cope when he ran at them.Kamara was a bit hit and miss but he was imperious in parts. The roll through the legs of Gravenbirch in the second half was bloody brilliant.