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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: KNVillan on September 21, 2025, 12:53:34 PM
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Your team for this afternoon
(https://i.ibb.co/XZSdb70H/20250921-125003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XZSdb70H)
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Not what I expected or would have picked, never mind.
COYL
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That’s another conservative set up. Elliott’s appearances clause might be true!
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Bertie on the bench. Also Xhaka plays for them apparently. If I ever knew that, I had forgotten it again.
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Elliott’s appearances clause might be true!
Isn't it 10 appearances and the clause to purchase is activated. Maybe/hopefully we've agreed to only pay them the fee at the end of the season.
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SoccerHQ has consistently claimed Xhaka as a top signing for Sunderland and I know you respect his input (SHQ, not X).
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McGinn in the middle makes sense. I'd have Rogers in 10 and Guessand and Buendia either side.
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That’s another conservative set up. Elliott’s appearances clause might be true!
what clause is this?
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Can someone explain the midfield and forward formation, in diagrammatic form would be ace.
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That’s another conservative set up. Elliott’s appearances clause might be true!
what clause is this?
Can't play more than 10 games by NYD 2026
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That’s another conservative set up. Elliott’s appearances clause might be true!
what clause is this?
Can't play more than 10 games by NYD 2026
nah that's got to be bollocks.
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Bugger the clause we need to win games.
Hoping for a shake up, fresh approach, a reset but it smacks of same old.
Hopefully Guessand can some sort of impact and we need something from Watkins and Rogers, they have been awful so far.
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Can someone explain the midfield and forward formation, in diagrammatic form would be ace.
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Doesnt fill me with confidence. Think we’ll struggle to break them down. Hope I’m wrong.
I don’t think Elliot not starting has to do with clause - more the series adaption process. I wonder if that’s why guessard seems to be the most trusted out the new batch because he looks pretty good going backwards. Maybe he is doing more of what unai wants
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I can’t believe anyone really thinks we are not playing Elliot because of an appearance clause.
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Can someone explain the midfield and forward formation, in diagrammatic form would be ace.
(https://i.ibb.co/GvLfwPsp/image.png) (https://ibb.co/GvLfwPsp)
Think it will be the usual formation with Buendia and Rogers starting on the left and in the number 10 positions (not sure which way round) and Guessand on the right.
Feels like a pretty big game today with Europe starting on Thursday and that now looking like our best chance of success this season.
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Watkins and Rogers need big performances today. Those two in particular have been way below their normal levels for ages.
Buendia starting again… pffft.
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FTF 8)
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Afternoon ,
Its my birthday today , so nothing but a win to make my day ..
...... or a goal at least ....
No Harvey Elliot ? suprised with that .
UTV
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That team will struggle to get the ball forward, but regardless of personnel it’s about intent and trying to play with purpose.
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I can’t believe anyone really thinks we are not playing Elliot because of an appearance clause.
Yeah, his performance versus Brentford suggests he needs some time getting up to speed. Probably better suited to home games where we’d have more possession too. Buendia’s extra energy might be considered necessary away from home.
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Guessand.
LOL.
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Bench looks a lot stronger on paper, even if first X1 do not.
Strange set up. If we have another laborious plod along question will be raised over SUE I fear
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Come on Villa, let’s get the season on track now, we’ve had months of doom and gloom and and now even the H&V site is slow and ponderous just like our attacking play.
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I can’t believe anyone really thinks we are not playing Elliot because of an appearance clause.
£5m season long loan fee.
10 appearances and the compulsory option to buy is activated. We may be buying Elliott on Jan 1st (new UEFA calendar year) or season end, either way you're right that it's bollox we are not playing Elliot because of an appearance clause.
More reasons? No transfers until Jan 1st. It's kind of fucking obvious.
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Guessand.
LOL.
To be fair he’s the only one that looks remotely fit enough to start
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McGinn in the middle makes sense. I'd have Rogers in 10 and Guessand and Buendia either side.
Personally, I'd have them by the side of the pitch and not either side of Rogers but hey, I'd don't pick the team.
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McGinn in the middle makes sense. I'd have Rogers in 10 and Guessand and Buendia either side.
Personally, I'd have them by the side of the pitch and not either side of Rogers but hey, I'd don't pick the team.
I'd have half this team out on their ear if we had reasonable alternatives
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I can’t believe anyone really thinks we are not playing Elliot because of an appearance clause.
I thought we agreed on everything.
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Emery talking about structure again. Another defensive shape I fancy.
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9 of the starting 11 are from the Steve Gerrard era. After three years no academy breakthroughs, one true transfer success and one with a lot still to prove. That’s just not good enough by all concerned in a sport which evolves so quickly; tactically, mentally and physically. We are starting to look old, tired and predictable. We all trust in Unai so let’s hope his “dependables” can pull us through this current situation and borderline crisis.
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Set up not to lose at Sunderland, just brilliant!
Hope is all we have left that our better players start to actually perform to their true abilities! 🤞
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That’s another conservative set up. Elliott’s appearances clause might be true!
what clause is this?
Can't play more than 10 games by NYD 2026
Is that 10 starts or appearing in 10 games?
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Afternoon ,
Its my birthday today , so nothing but a win to make my day ..
...... or a goal at least ....
No Harvey Elliot ? suprised with that .
UTV
Many Happy Returns, and may that particular birthday wish come true!
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Happy Birthday JP.
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Come on you villa Boys!
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If you are limiting appearances because of a clause you don't start them in the League Cup.
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How do people find streams now? This season it is a nightmare.
Anyone able to help me.
This is frustrating.
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Hopefully we play well and get to HT 0-0.
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Stream gratefully accepted pls.
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Hearing that Villa turned up late to the game?!
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Guessand.
LOL.
Rudy is risen!
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That ref owes us a few favours after his performance at Forest last season. Expect blatant fouls to go unpunished.
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Hearing that Villa turned up late to the game?!
They've turned up late for every other game this season as well.
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That's it we're fucked. They're wearing the black shirts, those things are cursed.
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Emery looks like he's dressed for a funeral.
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Emery looks like he's dressed for a funeral.
He is.
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Emery looks like he's dressed for a funeraling.
Good, it's about time we scored a few.
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Very conservative selection
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Blimey Cash plays a forward pass.
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Maybe Guessand is the right back we have been looking for.
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guessand working hard
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Certainly looks like Guessand selected to help Cash out today!
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Couple of fine back tracking tackles by Guessand
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Good start by Guessand, tracking back well.
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How is that not a card?
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I think i saw Unai point to cash to go forward and he went sideways . ..
but not abad start .
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I want to hear (read) a few "scorchios" today please. Getting withdrawal symptoms.
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cash had acreage then.
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Cash had the ball and Rogers was free in front of him so he plays the square pass. I despair.
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I’d like to see Poland’s Matty Cash all the time.
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Ive only heard of 1 sunderland player and why is Gavin Mccann not playing for them.
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Great noise from the Villa fans! It warms the heart hearing Villa songs lol
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Cash poor
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Has the match started yet??
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The centre line seems to work like a force field that Cash is unable to penetrate.
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Cash poor
We're not very asset rich either.
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Cash had the ball and Rogers was free in front of him so he plays the square pass. I despair.
He seems so scared of going forward
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Rogers with another disappearing act so far.
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Great noise from the Villa fans! It warms the heart hearing Villa songs lol
they deserve a bloody goal or two.
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Do we have any tactics?
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When do we get to actually have a shot on their goal?
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Always amazes me how that push on Cash is seen as part of the game and not a push these days!
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Already this game has a familiar feel to it.
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Has the match started yet??
Well we're away to a team in a good run of form and we've prevented them from doing anything of note so far. Think that aimless long ball was the first time Emi 1 has had to handle anything
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Seems like tippy tappy hoof.
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Buendia, one of the slowest players to run with the ball continues to run with the ball
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So many shots
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the only good news is Xhaka is not controlling the game..yet
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Nice pass, Rogers. Useless.
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Buendia's got to release that he doesn't have the pace to run past players
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Buendia, one of the slowest players to run with the ball continues to run with the ball
Simply not good enough.
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16 minutes in and we’ve not a sniff of a shot on goal let alone have anything to trouble the statisticians. It’s so dull.
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Not looking even vaguely like scoring a goal, as usual.
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Konsa making it clear that that ball got into the box a bit too easily...
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We look like the promoted team.
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Wake up you dozy twats. Konsa trying to get them going
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We look like the promoted team.
We’re going straight back down.
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I just don’t understand how we’ve become so blunt and devoid of all confidence. A dip in form, sure. Every team has that happen. But this is off a cliff stuff where a team with so much fire and belief has lost it all.
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19’ minutes in, shots:0 XG:0.
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What is the record for the number of games without scoring. Asking for a friend.
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Looks like we anticipated weathering a fast start from them
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This is not a transient, bad form thing. This smacks of big problems.
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We are just not playing with anywhere near enough intent - we are so slow. If you want to play a possession based game you have to have zip and variety in your passing or you’ll never do anything.
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Until Rogers decides to show up this year, we’ll struggle. Just devoid of talent in the final third.
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This is not a transient, bad form thing. This smacks of big problems.
This squad is performing way beneath what it should.
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The black kit is changing me from a non believer in curses, jinxes etc. to a believer. It’s like it just saps us of our mojo.
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I have money on the draw here, as well as at Bournemouth (separately). The cash out value on this one is much lower than the other, despite both being 0-0.
Speaking of which, CASH OUT!
That wasn't an elaborate set-up to a poor quality pun. The pun is yours for free.
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can I have a shot for my birthday please/
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cash that was crap
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The black kit is changing me from a non believer in curses, jinxes etc. to a believer. It’s like it just saps us of our mojo.
We haven't had any mojo in any kit this season
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can I have a shot for my birthday please/
Happy birthday....NO!
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No touches in the opposition box in 20 mins is unacceptable.
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can I have a shot for my birthday please/
Don't be so greedy! :P
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This is a non-event.
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This really is pish.
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No touches in the opposition box in 20 mins is unacceptable.
On top of wasting multiple free kicks and a corner.
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Until Rogers decides to show up this year, we’ll struggle. Just devoid of talent in the final third.
Spot on. He has absolutely been killing us this season.
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Piss poor.
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can I have a shot for my birthday please/
One Goldschläger coming up.
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Unai’s longest managerial stint at any club was 4 years at Valencia. I’m starting to wonder if we are seeing the start of the end.
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Says a lot that this is probably our best opening 20 mins of the season, and we still haven't looked like creating anything.
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We just so soft and slow in the middle of the park.
Bullied and sluggish.
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these are shit, it's mostly long balls to the channels.
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I’m watching Rogers and seeing Dele Allie.
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Until Rogers decides to show up this year, we’ll struggle. Just devoid of talent in the final third.
Spot on. He has absolutely been killing us this season.
I genuinely didn't realise he was on the pitch ffs
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Bloody hell, this is so flat.
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Other teams' players run. Ours jog.
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Every game has been identical. Something has to change.
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Says a lot that this is probably our best opening 20 mins of the season, and we still haven't looked like creating anything.
Scorchios only from you, please!! 😉
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Buendia needs hooking
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That's right, ref. Slow it down a bit, give everyone a chance to get their breath back.
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Buendia, one of the slowest players to run with the ball continues to run with the ball
The fact he's starting is.a pretty terrible indictment of our transfer business.
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Didn't see anything wrong with that quick free kick
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4 touches for Rogers so far, comms say.
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these are shit, it's mostly long balls to the channels.
On the flip side, at least we’re trying something different. I’d like to see it going to Guessand more if that’s the strategy though, at least he can control a ball.
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This is like playing Fifa on highest difficulty where the opposition all move 100 percent faster than yours and are overpowered. The whole lot of them need more urgency and effort. Emery looks worried.
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Until Rogers decides to show up this year, we’ll struggle. Just devoid of talent in the final third.
Spot on. He has absolutely been killing us this season.
It’s too simplistic to go, “it’s Rogers”. Front to back we look utterly without a plan - the time Rogers played for England he was one of the most creative players. It’s a team issue before players
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A chance!!!!
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The black kit is changing me from a non believer in curses, jinxes etc. to a believer. It’s like it just saps us of our mojo.
Tis cursed I tell thee.
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saw a shot
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This fucking spray has literally wiped out the quick free kick.....fucking hell, a shot!
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I’ve lay on my bed watching the first 25 minutes and I’ve done more than Watkins & ‘Morgz’
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This is like playing Fifa on highest difficulty where the opposition all move 100 percent faster than yours and are overpowered. The whole lot of them need more urgency and effort. Emery looks worried.
That’s a good analogy, we look like we play in diving boots this season.
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Well, we had a chance. It's already our most exhilarating half of the season.
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The old not a clue about offside Ollie back with us...
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If we all chip in, can we buy a goal ?
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A bona fide chance! Guessand should have scored. The Roefs on fire.
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I'm telling you, we need those cardboard arrows to help them see the way to the goal.
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was a decent swivel and shot by Guessand. Encouraging
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If we all chip in, can we buy a goal ?
Yeah but then well brach PSR
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That was our 50th shot since we last scored a goal.
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I’ve lay on my bed watching the first 25 minutes and I’ve done more than Watkins & ‘Morgz’
Surprised you haven't dropped off yet.
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Got to score there, but at least it's a shot.
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Until Rogers decides to show up this year, we’ll struggle. Just devoid of talent in the final third.
Spot on. He has absolutely been killing us this season.
It’s too simplistic to go, “it’s Rogers”. Front to back we look utterly without a plan - the time Rogers played for England he was one of the most creative players. It’s a team issue before players
No, it’s Rogers. We play with so little width that his position is by far the most important. When Youri’s fit, Morgan is free to roam and given a ton of rope by Unai. Without Youri and in this form he looks average and has far too little impact.
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Our creative outlet seems to be Cash.
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That was our 50th shot since we last scored a goal.
I'll fetch the bunting.
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I have to to say I think mcginns days as an auto starter should be coming to an end. He shows down midfield unbelievabley
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Buendia, one of the slowest players to run with the ball continues to run with the ball
The fact he's starting is.a pretty terrible indictment of our transfer business.
I would argue the fact Morgan is starting again is even worse. At least Buendia does look interested in playing for us.
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There is definitely an intention to get the ball forward quicker and I’m certainly not going to complain about that too much.
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They're just going to gobble up these long balls all day. Ollie doesn't have the physical presence to dominate them
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No it’s not. It’s really clear it’s not - when he didn’t play the other night did we tear Brentford apart with incisive attacking play? No, it is a much wider issue than one player.
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Sir Graham in '89, Ron in '91, Bruce in 2017 and Deano in 2019-20 have all weathered their first bad run and gone on to do well after it.
This is Unai's first bad run with us, I think he deserves patience
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Would be sub-thrilled if that was given against us.
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It’s not his first bad run, but it’s the first run where we’ve carried zero threat.
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I think Watkins has forgot how to play the game.
His movements and decisions have completely left him
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Sir Graham in '89, Ron in '91, Bruce in 2017 and Deano in 2019-20 have all weathered their first bad run and gone on to do well after it.
This is Unai's first bad run with us, I think he deserves patience
He's got until half time.
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Our creative outlet seems to be Cash.
worrying .
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We have become John Gregory’s Aston Villa Nil.
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No it’s not. It’s really clear it’s not - when he didn’t play the other night did we tear Brentford apart with incisive attacking play? No, it is a much wider issue than one player.
We can’t get into the final third and we typically don’t play with width. I don’t know who else is more important in that formula that Rogers, but we can blame Cash and McGinn I guess.
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I don't mind a bad run but this one stinks of disinterested players and that's what worries me this time. Maybe it's just rumour and 2+2=5 but we always looked interested before...
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What I'd give for Duran to still be here to inject a bit of fun into this dross.
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It’s not his first bad run, but it’s the first run where we’ve carried zero threat.
My bad, he had a dip last year but we still had one of our best seasons in quarter of a century
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If we were half the team we were last season we would batter these
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Maybe we're saving ourselves for Thursday
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Buendia is just such a pointless player.
People seem to love the fact he buzzes around like a pest, but he’s hopeless.
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I used to like football
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Sunderland red card
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OFFF!
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Definitely a red
That’s far worse than what Duran got sent off for
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duran gets sent off for that
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RED
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come on VAR thats a red
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That's the kick in the bollocks we have needed ....
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Cash has been a snide all game but they're player stupid enough to fall for it.
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Absolute red
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That has to be red.
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Might be about to become interesting.
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Yeah definite red
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If we dont bloody score a goal now as these aint been that good neither.
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We can get a point here now.
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If we don’t now we never will
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VAR confirms
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I hate to be annoying but don't we usually struggle more against ten men...
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Soft red.
But take it all day long.
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Get an extra defender on Villa, the point is ours for the taking, now.
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Here we go. Sunderland down to 10, they put up a low block and we can't break it down.
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Not sure what they're complaining about, that was just stupid, you don't get away with those with VAR.
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Oooo!
Could today be THE day then after all?
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Soft red.
But take it all day long.
That was not soft in the slightest.
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I'd be livid if one of our players was dumb enough to do that.
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If their players are going to kick out, hopefully it will be up the backside of our players next time!
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Even our keeper can't throw it properly.
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They are subbing the ball boy ?
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That Rigg kid looked like he's about to cry the sausage.
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Be even more embarrasing when we don't score now.
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We’re always dreadful against 10 men. Even when we were good.
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Literally kicked him in the bollocks. Certain red.
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Mad ting.
We've not been good in this game either.
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If we can just get them down to 9 players, I think we’ll stand a good chance of winning this one!
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Unlucky there.
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just got to pass them to death now. move them about then bingo
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better Villa
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They're going five-at-the-back to counter our none-at-the-front. 4D Buckaroo.
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Wow, did we just play nice football then?!
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It would be nice if we took complete control of the game and got a very much needed morale boosting win. Our attitude needs to be positive and not let them have the ball. Push them back and take our chances.
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That Rigg kid looked like he's about to cry the sausage.
Gotta feel for him though. Another player's violent conduct leading to his game coming to a premature end from tactical necessity
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Better football there
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Booing cash for taking a boot to the ball bag is unhinged.
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Literally kicked him in the bollocks. Certain red.
probably a darkish maroon.
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Mackems turn to hate Cash now...bollocked their player in the boot...
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Rogers’ stupid flick/backheel attempts do my head in.
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They’ll be aligning themselves with Spurs fans in their hate of Cash.
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Rogers’ stupid flick/backheel attempts do my head in.
Works when he’s playing for England. Not so much for us.
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I'd fancy us to win this if we ever did goals.
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Sunderland will still finish with more shots on target than us.
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Is it because we can’t physically move the ball around quickly, or because we don’t think to play quicker ?
I can’t work out why we are so fucking ponderous.
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Rogers’ stupid flick/backheel attempts do my head in.
If we are 3.0 up with 10 mins to go I don't have problem, we aren't so we do
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We are the new Wimbledon.
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Rogers looks like he's running around in wet jeans.
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Watkins last touch came in the 26th minute...?! WTF
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I’m going a pub with no sky sports. I’ll be more entertaining
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Ollie Watkins looked incredible in pre season. Scoring goals for fun. Where’s that Ollie Watkins gone?
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490 minutes without a league goal
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rogers ffs
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Playing ten men who will be almost exclusively defending for the rest of the match doesn’t feel to me like where we’ll score.
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Sunderland are crap.
Their fans are crap.
We have to get something here
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Should reach HT 0-0 so plan A executed perfectly.
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Especially when we're playing with 9 men.
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FFS Rogers.
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Buck Rogers would do better at the minute
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Sunderland still seem to have more players on the pitch.
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Morgan lowering his value by the minute.
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Sunderland are crap.
Their fans are crap.
We have to get something here
Their fans are sound
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Watkins 17 mins without a touch. I'd hook him and give Guessand a go through the middle and swap Elliot for Buendia.
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Rogers is really struggling.
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Sunderland are crap.
Their fans are crap.
We have to get something here
Their fans are sound
For a newly promoted club, they are very quiet
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Unai looks like a man who's won the Euromillions and then remembered he's left the ticket in his jeans pocket in the washing machine.
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Sunderland will put everyone behind the ball and hit it long on the break. A point will be a great result for them. We need to be much more decisive in the box. A goal for us opens things up and we should be able to go on to win.
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Another useless free kick
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Only 3 mins stoppage with a sending off. How’s that then in an era of at least 5 or 6.
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Will we score again?
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We have that average lot who played under Smith & Gerrard back.
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We won’t score here - we struggle enough anyway, but against 10 men we’re always awful.
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Crap free kick
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Buendia…..fucking hell
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Fucking hell we are truly woeful on the ball.
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Watkins 17 mins without a touch. I'd hook him and give Guessand a go through the middle and swap Elliot for Buendia.
think Id hook rogers too.
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we are shit with the final ball.
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490 minutes without a league goal
I make it 573, now. Did you count the end of the Tottenham game and all the injury times?
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How many times have we overhit this half
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Was that our shit half ?
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We are very agricultural.
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Halfway to a good away point.
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So what's that, 500 plus minutes without a league goal
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I think, with some time, Guessand will be good at this level.
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4.5 league games without a goal is embarrassing.
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Buendia is still the only player we have who tries to make things happen. Everyone else either loses it as standard or goes sideways/backwards.
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The fans better of packed the arrows with them
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If you are limiting appearances because of a clause you don't start them in the League Cup.
League appearances.
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I support the most boring team in world football
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Same load of not much at Bournemouth by the looks of it...
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Well I suppose we are getting into better positions. Dayin fupp all with it mind
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Roefs looks like Ferris Bueller's friend
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It’s not even that we’re absolutely shit. We look ok at the back (which is nice), it’s just going forward. The longer we go without scoring, the tougher it will get.
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Another disjointed performance.
No rhythm, structure or flair.
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Guessand looked better - Rogers and Beudia have been woeful
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This is worrying.
It has the whiff of crisis.
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Well as the great Brian Little once said, that was a Jack average performance.
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I support the most boring team in world football
Knowing our luck we're probably the 2nd most boring.
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I think, with some time, Guessand will be good at this level.
I think so too. Hea at least drive up towardss the byline, and before the red card he was also putting a decent shift in defensively.
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Written in the stars for Traore to come on and nick a goal for them. Zzzzzzzz
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buendia would be ok for sunderland , he aint good for a team in the top 17 .
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Buendia…..fucking hell
Really finding difficult to understand why he starts when there are alternatives.
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There's been a bit more application today, but Watkins and Rogers are a real concern. Both look like they've got their arses in their hands about something.
In contrast, Guessand's really putting a shift in.
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Both sides effectively down to 10 men, with Rogers a guaranteed first team pick for us.
Shameful, really.
Even the other players in the squad must wonder just how bad he needs to get to be dropped.
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God awful until the red, marginally better afterwards.
Guessand looks better today but Rogers and Watkins still look terrible, everything behind them is sound enough but the biggest change has to be the pace of play.
Now we have an opportunity, we really shouldn't squander it....
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Until he was offside Watkins had 7 touches none in the opposition box.
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I think, with some time, Guessand will be good at this level.
Given enough time anything can happen
dinosaurs, ice ages, big bangs, monkeys with typewriters
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I think, with some time, Guessand will be good at this level.
Given enough time anything can happen
dinosaurs, ice ages, big bangs, monkeys with typewriters
Okay.
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This looks like a relegation 6 pointer
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I think we’ve looked absolutely horrible again. It’s far too defensive, pedestrian and dull.
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El Ghazi / Wesley / Trezeguet carried more threat than this.
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We had that one little 1 touch pass and move down our left. Moment of the season so far.
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I support the most boring team in world football
Knowing our luck we're probably the 2nd most boring.
Hahaha
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4.5 league games without a goal is embarrassing.
5.5 if you include the no show last game of last season.
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He needs to get rogers off, he looks like he doesn’t give a fuck.
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Buendia is still the only player we have who tries to make things happen. Everyone else either loses it as standard or goes sideways/backwards.
I’m sorry do disagree bud.
He has been as poor as all of them.
Yes, he buzzes around like an annoying gnat, but that’s the sum of him. Constantly losing possession, not making his passes and very lightweight.
The kindest thing you can say is that he has been slightly less shit than a few of them.
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That from Buendia just before half time is why I don't rate him. Giving it away when you're trying a defence splitting pass is one thing but to completely mishit a 5 yard ball to an unmarked player can never be acceptable and he does it far too often.
I'd replace him with Sancho for the 2nd half, pace and width will win this for us.
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If you are limiting appearances because of a clause you don't start them in the League Cup.
League appearances.
Any mentions of the clause is "all comps". Either way there's fuck all chance we aren't playing someone we want to because of a clause.
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I would take off digne or beundia and put on Sancho or Matasaan give us a bit more threat on the left
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Game is there for the taking, but Buendia, Rogers, Guessand and Watkins don't look at it. Maatsen overlapping on the left would open these up.
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He needs to get rogers off, he looks like he doesn’t give a fuck.
He’s fast going from hero to zero. I hope it’s a confidence thing.
Also, Digne looks like his legs have gone to me.
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I wonder what Unai is saying to the players now.
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He needs to get rogers off, he looks like he doesn’t give a fuck.
He’s fast going from hero to zero. I hope it’s a confidence thing.
I reckon he wants to leave.
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What do we reckon, same team to come out a HT even though we could easily make 5 changes the way that went.
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Get Martinez off and play with a rush goalie.
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I wonder what Unai is saying to the players now.
Good evening?
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Even the studio team look and sound absolutely bored shitless !
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He needs to get rogers off, he looks like he doesn’t give a fuck.
He’s fast going from hero to zero. I hope it’s a confidence thing.
I reckon he wants to leave.
I’m sure he does and I’m surprised we didn’t sell him last month.
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He needs to take Roger’s, Buendia and Guessand off and bring Elliott, Sancho and Malen on. They cannot do any worse than those going off. Let’s see in Emery has the bottle!!
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Buendia is still the only player we have who tries to make things happen. Everyone else either loses it as standard or goes sideways/backwards.
I’m sorry do disagree bud.
He has been as poor as all of them.
Yes, he buzzes around like an annoying gnat, but that’s the sum of him. Constantly losing possession, not making his passes and very lightweight.
The kindest thing you can say is that he has been slightly less shit than a few of them.
I hear you Andy mate, that's valid and you can see others say similar too. I kinda feel some of it is down to our players not being on the same wavelength at times - that attempt at the throughball was a bit heavy but our player could have made a bit more of an effort to catch it, or - and this is wild - anticipate it? I always though under Deano, Buendia was the one who would up our tempo by playing passes that forced us to get running.
This is from someone who thought Gil was gonna be massive for us, so... Probably should have led with that to save you reading all this haha
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I don't know exactly what has happened to us, but we are awful. We are as bad as anything I have seen in the league so far this season.
We are playing a newly promoted team who will probably be relegated. We have had loads of the ball and we have offered virtually nothing.
Sutton called if after 20 mins when he said how slow we are in possession with players taking too many touhces.
Rogers looks petulant and is playing like he can't be arsed. Beundia tries, but is dismal.
Guessand has to score with the only chance we've had.
Our set piece deliveries are crap as well.
Unai needs to change it up at HT.
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Anything to put a sock in Micah.
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He needs to get Elliott on now, not on 60,70,80 mins now!
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Another 3 or 4 games playing like this and Unai will be off.
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Sunderland even before the sending off are dire, it shows how we have gone backwards when we pose such little threat against ten men. Watkins and Rogers lose possesion so easy and Buendia for all his effort is just not up to premiership standard. If we do not beat these today not sure where we go from there.
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I wonder what Unai is saying to the players now.
probably doing a Clough..
'Where's the fu#king hole' ?
What hole boss..?
'The one you lot have been hiding in all fu#king half'..
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I wonder what Unai is saying to the players now.
Good evening?
Good bye.
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Buendia is still the only player we have who tries to make things happen. Everyone else either loses it as standard or goes sideways/backwards.
I’m sorry do disagree bud.
He has been as poor as all of them.
Yes, he buzzes around like an annoying gnat, but that’s the sum of him. Constantly losing possession, not making his passes and very lightweight.
The kindest thing you can say is that he has been slightly less shit than a few of them.
I hear you Andy mate, that's valid and you can see others say similar too. I kinda feel some of it is down to our players not being on the same wavelength at times - that attempt at the throughball was a bit heavy but our player could have made a bit more of an effort to catch it, or - and this is wild - anticipate it? I always though under Deano, Buendia was the one who would up our tempo by playing passes that forced us to get running.
This is from someone who thought Gil was gonna be massive for us, so... Probably should have led with that to save you reading all this haha
Could do with Gil. Didn't he score a worldie up there?
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Its quite astonishing that we still have no idea what Guessand can do going forward, running at the defence with the ball.
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Even the studio team look and sound absolutely bored shitless !
Quite a lot of excitment about the prospect of a Liverpool player playing.
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Its the same fucking team, he's lost it
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No changes.
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He needs to get rogers off, he looks like he doesn’t give a fuck.
Or playing to get his price down in Jan, maybe.
He'll prob score a screamer now.
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no subs ffs
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Could do with Gil. Didn't he score a worldie up there?
i seem to remember a sublime one against Bournemouth? Bent it into the corner over and round their keeper.
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Sancho and Maatsen on at ~60min, I reckon.
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Even the studio team look and sound absolutely bored shitless !
i think it must be the first time I have ever felt sorry for Roy Keane. Ever.
I still don't feel sorry for Richards.
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Hit the fucker Kamara !
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kamara shoot ffs
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Actually we brought Tonev on.
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mcginn rubbish
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I know Buendia puts a lot of effort into each game, but he is dreadful. If we're looking for him to open up a packed defence or any defence we're going to be waiting a long time. He simply gets everything wrong.
Rogers seems to have bought into his own hype.
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Another 3 or 4 games playing like this and Unai will be off.
Isn't it his job to make us play better than this?
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Actually we brought Tonev on.
And that Danish or Finish bloke we used to have
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10 man Sunderland are going to have more shots than us, I know it.
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Get Buendia off man, been trying to flog him for a year
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get buendia off
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I didn't think we finished the first half too badly, but we've started this one terribly.
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We can't even deal with the basics
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Get Buendia off! He is way too small and weak for this league
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They hit the bar
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Bunedia is not good enough anymore
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This is fucking embarrassing
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Fucking hell Villa, WAKE UP.
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How much longer can we afford to leave Buendia on? He may expend a lot of Emery but he might as well not bother.
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Every commentator, every pundit, most fans say we play we no urgency.
It’s obviously a message that falls on deaf ears.
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Jesus titting Christ.
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Buendia looking like a 10yr old in an u16s game
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How much longer can we afford to leave Buendia on? He may expend a lot of energy but he might as well not bother.
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cash fucking header useless
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Simple ball over the top and it's panic stations
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Do something different Unai - there is a bank of evidence now that what we are trying is not working.
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Cash, great header….er…
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Fuck me.
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Lack of communication in defence again
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Emery obviously told the team that Sunderland would sit back now so just take your time.
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Get Elliott on, my goodness
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Cash doing his best to setup a goal after getting their player sent off!
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Cash, great header….er…
What Was That
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Bunedia is not good enough anymore
He never has been - we’re just dropping down to his level.
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We are the worst team in the league at defensive headers.
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They hit the bar because Cash is all disoriented because he was too slow getting up off the floor and not ready.
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I never in a million years thought it could get as close to as bad as this under Emery let alone be this bad. I genuinely and clearly naively thought that version of Villa was a thing of the past.
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Cash is responsible for 40% of our woes
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Why the fuck in bundia still getting minutes for us. He was fucking wank when we signed him. Every has to go!
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When we whipped the ball into the box just then, it felt weird.
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This awful!...Sorry for starting the thread - never again!
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Good god alive, what a terrible corner.
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Great corner
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Another overhit corner/pass/free kick
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Absolute dogdirt.
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Good god alive, what a terrible corner.
Buendia is not good enough.
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why are these useless palyers still on the pitch .. did you see that corner
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We are the worst team in the league at defensive headers.
We’re also the worst team in the league at scoring. We don’t do anything close to competently at the moment.
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I’m starting to think the players are done with the manager.
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We really are crap, aren’t we?
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Good god alive, what a terrible corner.
Buendia is not good enough.
No and the fact he’s playing is a huge red flag. Unai hasn’t rated him and yet he’s now starting him.
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They look massively up for the fight.
We look like we want the game to be over.
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Why do we keep giving away throw-ins?
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I’m starting to think the players are done with the manager.
This is the vibe I get too.
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This line-up really is testament to the brilliance of Monchi's work.
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I’m starting to think the players are done with the manager.
This is the vibe I get too.
And me.
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Harvey and Ian getting ready.
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I’m done with the manager picking the same crap side each week.
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I’m starting to think the players are done with the manager.
This is the vibe I get too.
And me.
Maybe this is why he never stays anywhere for the long term.
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I’m starting to think the players are done with the manager.
This is the vibe I get too.
And me.
Then sell them.
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This is dismal. They're playing like they all had a full English and twelve pints for a half-time snack
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We are the worst team in the league at defensive headers.
We’re also the worst team in the league at scoring. We don’t do anything close to competently at the moment.
The only team in the top 11 English leagues etc.....
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All I can say is thank god for Konsa and Mings.
The only heart we have in the team.
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I’m starting to think the players are done with the manager.
This is the vibe I get too.
If that's the case, they're all ******.
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Sunderland are shafting us
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Ballards causing carnage in there
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Digne and Buendia off.
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10 men Sunderland
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Ballards causing carnage in there
We probably have massive trouble against the bollards in training as well.
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Buendia off...bless the Lord. Save him for the League cup!
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Digne and Buendia off.
Hope to never see Buendia again
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Mings taking a beating today.
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Fuck me. This is actually embarrassing.
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And Rogers stays on again.
He must have some serious dirt on Emery.
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Are we in crisis yet?
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Come on Harvey and Ian. Shake this lot up.
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Rogers is going to get Emery into trouble at some point.
It's inexplicable, like he's got some sort of hex on him.
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This ref is shite tbh. Right next to that challenge from Konso and falls for the rub of the back of the head trick.
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burn that kit
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Get Malen on for Rogers.
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This is as bad as anything Gerrard served up.
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I’m done with the manager picking the same crap side each week.
You have been gunning for him for about 2 years
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At least I'm only watching on TV. Thoughts and prayers for the poor sods who have travelled to watch it in person.
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What the fuck has happened to us? It defies explanation .
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burn that kit
Definitely! Reminds me of that ill-fated yellow 3rd kit from the 90s.
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I’m starting to think the players are done with the manager.
Not sure about this, but it doesn't seem unrealistic. Which is sad.
If it is the case they need to fucking sort it out.
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Cash is thick as shit
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Even the commentators seem to want us to score.
Sympathy ?
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Cash is thick as shit
He's been really bad today.
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I’m done with the manager picking the same crap side each week.
You have been gunning for him for about 2 years
What are you talking about?!? I am not gunning for him now let alone for the past two years! But he is not immune from critique.
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Guessand looks well off the pace physically
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Cash is thick as shit
He's been really bad today.
C’mon give him a break. He got kicked in the head.
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Don’t just swap players and do the same thing Unai - it’s patently obvious it is not working.
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Ian booked
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I wonder which villa player will get sent off to level it up
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If he losing this Unai is going to be under pressure . will need to win the next 2 league games .
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We look second best against a promoted side that's down to 10 men.
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We're going to fucking lose this aren't we?
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One team's set pieces look really dangerous...one team's don't?!!
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I think we all know how this one's ending.
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It feels that there isn’t a real plan. The longer it goes the more desperate it becomes. We might be a bit away from Lambert vs Bradford but it’s getting there.
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Cash is thick as shit
He's been really bad today.
when he got caught in possession instead of a simple side pass ..
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This reminds me of two things.
1. Atkinson towards the end relying on older and passed it players.
2. Wycombe away.
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Why is Maatsen marking their tallest and most dangerous player on set pieces.
Crackhead football.
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I’m starting to think the players are done with the manager.
I really hope not!!!
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How is that not a foul
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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AT FUCKING LAST.
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At last. Cash!!!
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MATTY WITH A SCREAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Blimey
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Bloody hell!
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Cash is thick as shit
He's been really bad today.
OOOPS
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There’s nothing through the middle is there? It’s cross the ball or nothing
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Finally. Missed those.
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Bless my beard
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polishhh matty is back
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The Polish Matty Cash shows up
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Oh my gosh, really?!?!
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Fcuk me! The Polish Cafu turned up!
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ALLEFUCKINGLUJAH. Great hit, Cash.
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Cash haters in shambles.
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Fuck me, thank the Lord for that.
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That was a horrendous tackle on Rogers.
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AT LAST!!!!!
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If you don't buy a ticket....
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Love Cash.
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Not good for the attackers our first league goal this season is from a defender.
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He's a goal machine!
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Yessss
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Sunderland stadium isn't cashless after all.
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Cash the goal machine!
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How is that not a foul
How wasn't it a yellow?
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We score when we want
We score when we want
Were Aston Villa
We score when we want
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You remembered how to spell it
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I don’t know what to do 😆
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Finally, let this open the flood gates of confidence please.
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Always said Cashy was the best player in the team!
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He has to save that...but we will take it.
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Always thought Cash was a world class player.
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Shot outside the box, Unai will be furious!
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My God that keeping though...
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MATTTYYYY!!!!
Ok I know I've slagged him off but he's SCORED11
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Ref will be pleased that took the spotlight off the appalling decision for the foul on Rogers
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Sunderland stadium isn't cashless after all.
Ha ha Very good
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Horrible goalkeeping.
Nice one though Matty
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Matty Matty Cash
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Get in MettyKesh!!
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Easy, easy, easy.
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Was a fluke and the keeper should have had that. But hopefully the turn of luck we need.
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I don't belieeeeeeeeve it!
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Now don't play slower than the normal slow.
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Let’s now get a second and third and get the confidence flowing again
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Horrible goalkeeping.
Nice one though Matty
Yeah, it swerved but should have done better…who cares.
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just keep the ball now lads
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Goal of the season, easily.
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Blimey, 84% possession since the red...
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Can we walking football/shithouse our way to winning this?
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This is crazy but I think we should try to score... a second goal.
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Konsa and Mings have been excellent. Excellently excellent.
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Up to 15th!
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Get a fucking second.
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Do we have to watch the game? I was enjoying the interjection to shown live footage of moody looking Man City players wearing headphones.
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Fucking hell, Newcastle haven't had a shot on or off target...and we thought we had it bad, we're living the fine life.
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This is crazy but I think we should try to score... a second goal.
lol you lefties with your utopian ideas
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Well I certainly wouldn’t concede any more contents!
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Donny coming on.
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Where do we put the statue Mathew?
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Guessand off
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Sunderland still look more likely to score than us.
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Get a fucking second.
Moon on a stick.
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Rogers needs to buck his ideas up
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Evann off Donny on it appears
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This ref is so inconsistent.
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Fucking hell, Newcastle haven't had a shot on or off target...and we thought we had it bad, we're living the fine life.
Yes they have, 4 shots with one on target. If your saw a stat it might have been the 2nd half or something.
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Get Rogers off now.
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Guessand was better today, I thought. Missed the one chance but still overall didn't go missing and tracked back well.
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Malen with his traditional 15 mins a week
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Rogers needs to buck his ideas up
He keeps losing it in dangerous positions.
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Konsa and Mings have been excellent. Excellently excellent.
They haven’t. They’ve been ok.
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GET ROGERS OFF
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Sunderland now have to wear the badge of shame of being the first team to concede to us in the league.😀
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Wtfdoes Rogers have to do to be taken off utter wank. Mings no better
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Guessand off
Thought he did well. Improving with each game
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Up to 15th (fifteenth)
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Fucking hell, Newcastle haven't had a shot on or off target...and we thought we had it bad, we're living the fine life.
Yes they have, 4 shots with one on target. If your saw a stat it might have been the 2nd half or something.
That's what it was then. I got the both games on and quickly turned to see that pop up without reading it....usually helps to look at words.
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Malen running like that British bloke in the 5,000 metres earlier.
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Pretty sure we'll need a second, I don't fancy going into the last 10 mins trying to hang on against newly promoted 10 man Sunderland.
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1-1
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Pretty sure we'll need a second, I don't fancy going into the last 10 mins trying to hang on against newly promoted 10 man Sunderland.
The change from last season to this
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Shame Malen couldn’t finish that off
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Fucking hell
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Fuck sake
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Must be nice to have a striker.
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Great fucking challenge for the header between the 3 of them then....shit houses.
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why
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Of course
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Wish Roger’s would just fuck off
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Pretty sure we'll need a second, I don't fancy going into the last 10 mins trying to hang on against newly promoted 10 man Sunderland.
We aren't going into the last 10 mins ahead.
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Fully deserved.
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FUCKING HELL
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Oh FFS!!
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Poor defending
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You knew that was coming
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and cash defends brilliant
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Just preposterous.
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Jesus Christ this lot are a joke.
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Just a pathetic goal to concede.
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thats why Malen doesn't start. should of been 2-0 instead its 1-1
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Do we now lose in a penalty shoot out again?
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Mings played him on. Just fucking so poor. Cash done on his shoulder
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Could be 2-0 with Malen, 90 seconds later it's 1-1.
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Useless gits
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Thoroughly deserved
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Useless. The lot of them.
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They are all hopeless.
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Take Rogers off and put Sancho on.
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sighs
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Malen chance going to bite us on the arse
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Can we not just play the kids as this season looking like a write off
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Fuck off Villa score a goal and think you have win in against fucking 10. We are shiiiite.
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As I said earlier, they are up for it, we look,like we want it over
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Can we not just play the kids as this season looking like a write off
My thinking too. I'd rather play the kids than anyone who's no longer interested in playing for us.
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Sunderland with 14 shots to our 7
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Long way to go yet. I expect us to be 19th again at the end now.
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No creativity, no threat.
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Totally expected, Rogers has been absolutely shit
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Rogers has been utter wank.
And even against 10 men we've created very little in the way of good chances.
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Rogers looks like a player who is not here mentally.
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It’s not just shit, it’s moronic shit.
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Mings
Mcgnn
Rogers
Watkins utter utter shit
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Sunderland with 14 shots to our 7
14 (4) to 7 (2).. that’s what happens when you have nothing at attacking center midfield or at #10.
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Yet he plays 90 mins every single week
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Relegation form. We look lost:
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Rogers looks like a player who is not here mentally.
He looks like a player who is at Chelsea mentally.
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You know there will be a last minute winner and we know who’s
Gonna get it don’t we? Read this script a million times before. Utter wank Villa.
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Geertruida on to score the winner
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About 60 minutes to late , Rogers has been a disgrace
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This is looking like Reno garde football at the moment. Just not good enough and how can we go from last season to utter utter Blues
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Sancho on for Rogers, 3 weeks too late.
Bogey on for Kamara.
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Rogers looks like a player who is not here mentally.
First name on team sheet Thursday as well. With all the moans about the lost dressing room, the "favourites" being picked no matter the form is probably one of the gripes going on.
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Rogers needs to be taken out of the team. We are playing with ten men. Reminds me of Bailey.
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dont start rogers next game please
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Geertruida on to score the winner
In injury time that comes from who knows where.
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Rogers literally has no touch. Every ball bounces off of him.
Would absolutely not take Kamara off.
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We could have Haaland up front and he'd be on 0 goals this season as we create fuck all.
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I actually thought we were going to do a goal, then.
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Regardless of what system Emery is using, these players are better than what they've shown today.
It's on the players imo.
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I though the net was going to bulge too Chris....but this is Villa so I knew it was going wide.
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Would absolutely not take Kamara off.
Probably because he's been out.
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thoought that was in.
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Big big chance.
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They brought on three big lads. Sunderland winner from a corner then.
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I've pulled a muscle in my back shouting at the television. 😡
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It feels ridiculous to say this, but I think we're missing Bailey hugely.
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A tiny passage of play sums us up.
Bogarde wide open in midfield, cash storming down the line in front of him, perfect for the ball to be played into his path for him to run on….but the 3 yard pass is played behind the runner…..advantage gone.
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This is looking like Reno garde football at the moment. Just not good enough and how can we go from last season to utter utter Blues
Renegade more like...they have all deserted the cause..
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Sancho first bit of quality all season
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Watkins is still on!!! I assumed he had been taken off
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Rogers looks like a player who is not here mentally.
He looks like a player who is at Chelsea mentally.
I’ve said it, he’s nowhere near as good as anyone on here thinks he is. Andin truth never was.
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This will be a great result for Sunderland and a truly awful one for us.
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Back down to 18th.
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If these are our easy games we are going to get murdered against the top sides
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Rogers looks like a player who is not here mentally.
He looks like a player who is at Chelsea mentally.
not going to get £80 let alone million
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Watkins is still on!!! I assumed he had been taken off
hasn't touched it since the 24th minute..
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Sancho does at least seem to have a vague idea how to stretch ten men.
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Someone, apart from Cash, just SHOOT!
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Sancho does at least seem to have a vague idea how to stretch ten men.
We'll soon knock that nonsense out of him.
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Rogers looks like a player who is not here mentally.
He looks like a player who is at Chelsea mentally.
I’ve said it, he’s nowhere near as good as anyone on here thinks he is. Andin truth never was.
Nah, he's a superb player, but there's something not right.
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Christ, it's fucking painful watching us pass around the edge of their box aimlessly.
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Watkins is still on!!! I assumed he had been taken off
hasn't touched it since the 24th minute..
Hasn't had much service to be fair
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Back down to 18th.
That's progress!!
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At least Sancho is trying something. Already done more than Rogers has done this whole season.
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Sancho certainly provides something we don’t have. He and Elliott look like the only ones that can control a ball.
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Watkins is still on!!! I assumed he had been taken off
hasn't touched it since the 24th minute..
Hasn't had much service to be fair
😂😂😂
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Sancho has done really well so far. Our MOTM, only took him 5 minutes.
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Wtf was that corner
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We amble. Amble Villa
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Sancho doing ok.
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I don't believe in superstition but please,please can we bin this kit.
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5 added mins
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Sancho certainly provides something we don’t have. He and Elliott look like the only ones that can control a ball.
Sancho is a talented player.
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5 added mins
Could be 55 we won’t win this
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shocking a corner a minute a go.
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If the roles were reversed here and we were in their position with 5 minutes left, you just KNOW we'd concede.
But watching this, as it is, you just KNOW we won't score.
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Our crossing is shockingly poor.
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Sancho has done really well so far. Our MOTM, only took him 5 minutes.
Yes, I was just thinking eaxctly the same.
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would help if Maatson could put something other than a power daisycutter cross in. doesn't he have any other clubs in his bag?
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Easier to score then
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Fucking score for fuck's sake.
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Ollie finally has a chance at last and he fucks it
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Fuck me, Ollie.
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Fuck me how has he missed that
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Watkins is still on!!! I assumed he had been taken off
hasn't touched it since the 24th minute..
Hasn't had much service to be fair
He has now.
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How the FUCK does Watkins not score there?! ARGH.
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ffs ollie thats a sitter
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Brilliant defending Watkins
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How does Watkins miss that..
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Still though, off the ball....
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Sancho puts it on a plate for Watkins, how did we not score
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No comment.
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Fucking hell, fucking hell, this is so frustrating.
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Twice he has to score.
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Offside that time.
This is painful...
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He usually takes 3 sitters to score 1, so the next one is going in.
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I don't believe in superstition but please,please can we bin this kit.
Completely agree.
That's it we're fucked. They're wearing the black shirts, those things are cursed.
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He usually takes 3 sitters to score 1, so the next one is going in.
We only have to wait another 4 games…
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He usually takes 3 sitters to score 1, so the next one is going in.
We only have to wait another 4 games…
chortle!
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Buendia scores that overhead. (Sorry)
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What is he doing going down the tunnel?
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Unai walking off before the end
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FT. Plucky away point...
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At least it's not a goalless draw.
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What is he doing going down the tunnel?
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Blimey, 1-1 vs 10 man Sunderland.
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Poor from Emery to leave. What a baby.
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Unai walking off before the end
Not a good look..says a lot
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Stop gloating in the commentary Richard Wilford, you ****!
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I used to look forward to watching Villa.
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Unai stomps off down the tunnel. Not sure what exactly it is but something is very wrong.
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Useless. Only positive is we scored. That’s it.
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Poor from Emery to leave. What a baby.
I read that in a Roy Keane voice
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Poor from Emery to leave. What a baby.
Maybe he has a letter to write...
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Unai stomps off down the tunnel. Not sure what exactly it is but something is very wrong.
Absolutely. Not sure what it is but he looks frustrated and pissed off. Either the players are not doing what he wants or he's lost the dressing room. We do have some good players but they are not playing as they should together. Slow, ponderous, little cutting edge.
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Just seen Ollies last minute miss. He's missed some sitter in the last couple of years but that was a bad one.
There is clearly something that is holding this team back. I was expecting a tough season this year but we really look as though the players have never seen each other before. Frustrating for see Unai storming off because I suspect he is part of the problem - certainly with Watkins.
Lets hope these players can get motivated for the Europa League