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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: jwarry on May 25, 2025, 06:21:15 PM
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Hello Thomas, I suspect you will never ever referee a game at Villa Park, but if you do I would like to say hello
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This is unnecessary me thinks.
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Agreed.
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Bit weird.
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Clearly you guys are not an annoyed as I am. It was a shocking decision which has cost our club millions and if I’m honest I had no idea who he was, but I do now
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Thought he was a new signing. Gutted he's not.
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I'm going to start a Phil Dowd thread.
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I'm going to start a Phil Dowd thread.
Another one?
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Clearly you guys are not an annoyed as I am. It was a shocking decision which has cost our club millions and if I’m honest I had no idea who he was, but I do now
Yeah but you’re implying you’d want to be physically violent - or if you’re not it seems like you are - it’s a bit much. He fucked up, it’s fucking annoying but that’s what it is.
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Reckon he'll admit he got it wrong?
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Clearly you guys are not an annoyed as I am. It was a shocking decision which has cost our club millions and if I’m honest I had no idea who he was, but I do now
Yeah but you’re implying you’d want to be physically violent - or if you’re not it seems like you are - it’s a bit much. He fucked up, it’s fucking annoying but that’s what it is.
Bramall has just announced that he's cancelled his annual holiday to Asia Napa. :(
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Reckon he'll admit he got it wrong?
Just listening to SJM I think he will. He said he’s a young referees who maybe shouldn’t have benn reffing that game but he has to learn so fair enough
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Reckon he'll admit he got it wrong?
I'm sure jwarry will when he calms down.
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As punishment, the Premier League have announced that he won't be refereeing any of next week's games.
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Clearly you guys are not an annoyed as I am. It was a shocking decision which has cost our club millions and if I’m honest I had no idea who he was, but I do now
Yeah but you’re implying you’d want to be physically violent - or if you’re not it seems like you are - it’s a bit much. He fucked up, it’s fucking annoying but that’s what it is.
Bramall has just announced that he's cancelled his annual holiday to Asia Napa. :(
😂
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Blokes a ****** - robbed us!
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Biggest game he's ever had. Been on the PL list 3 years. Yet last October he did Gateshead v Solihull. Did us at Southampton a few weeks ago Where he gave us two pens.
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Reckon he'll admit he got it wrong?
I'm sure jwarry will when he calms down.
I’m ok now ❤️
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Appreciate you have to be given a chance to step up at work but maybe not quite so dramatically.
Either way, not really a need for a thread on the guy.
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Unlike Bramall, I'm going to take my time .....
Fuck off you incompetent cheating corrupt Man U supporting shithead. Your less welcome at Villa Park than Phil Dowd wearing a David O'Leary face mask while talking in a Steve Hodge voice.
If it was a choice between having a pint with you or Donald Trump, I'd be sorely tempted to choose the orange baby.
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Man makes mistake. Bigger mistakes were made by a bunch of our players, our goalie especially.
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Man makes mistake. Bigger mistakes were made by a bunch of our players, our goalie especially.
yep
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Totally overawed by getting a gig at the Glory Hunters today. Should be demoted. Huge mistake.
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Rat fuck. Should bomb his career tbh.
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Was the wrong decision obviously but we only have ourselves to blame for the result.
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As punishment, the Premier League have announced that he won't be refereeing any of next week's games.
That made me laugh…bit of gallows humour should never be lost
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From his distance away, the ref clearly made a decision based on instinct and instinct alone, his instinct telling him he'd best award a foul rather than allow a goal to be scored.
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Hello Thomas, I suspect you will never ever referee a game at Villa Park, but if you do I would like to say hello
perhaps we should have tried to win the game against a team who don't win at home
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Man makes mistake. Bigger mistakes were made by a bunch of our players, our goalie especially.
Equivalent not bigger…Martinez and Bramall both made feck ups that totally affected the game
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If he'd have awarded the goal, it would have been checked by VAR.
Atwell was the VAR official and given his serial incompetence this season, you can be 100% sure he'd have recommended it be reviewed onscreen on the touchline.
Bramhall would have had the Stockley Park chumps in one ear and 70,000 rabid Scummers in the other.
You can probably guess what his decision would have been ... ...
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I doubt he’ll ever be given another Villa game to ref
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I doubt he’ll ever be given another Villa game to ref
Manchester United games at Old Trafford however .....
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Ironically it probably hasn’t helped them with a buyer for Rashford. I suspect we were the only one’s who aren’t going to offer peanuts.
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Apparently we are going to file a complaint that the ref wasn’t experienced enough to officiate such a big game. I don’t understand why we’d do that. Even if we are right on the specific decision under scrutiny, we will look like twats. Even if we’d played brilliantly and got robbed it won’t change the result. It looks all the more pathetic that we played so badly.
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Personally I'd be pushing it as hard as possible. Man City decision due. If they think they're exposed they can placate once action by enforcing another.
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Apparently we are going to file a complaint that the ref wasn’t experienced enough to officiate such a big game. I don’t understand why we’d do that. Even if we are right on the specific decision under scrutiny, we will look like twats. Even if we’d played brilliantly and got robbed it won’t change the result. It looks all the more pathetic that we played so badly.
Why will us complaining about the ref make us look like twats when everyone who's seen it can see that he clearly fucked up, not by a subjective decision, but by pure incompetence. I'd be fucking outraged if we don't complain.
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We should kick everyone out of our league and declare ourselves champions in protest.
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Man makes mistake. Bigger mistakes were made by a bunch of our players, our goalie especially.
Correct, big mistake made, but Maatsen alone made 17 mistakes during the game.
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Man makes mistake. Bigger mistakes were made by a bunch of our players, our goalie especially.
Correct, big mistake made. Maatsen alone made 17 mistakes during the game.
Yeah he cost us but it was still 0-0 - which was enough. It was an inexcusably bad performance.
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We were not undone by him performance wise, but the man's shocking appraisal has cost us in a manner, none of us have a bearing on at this point. Unfortunately for him, he's in a profession where competence, judgement and character are absolute paramount...which he's rightly rewarded for ..and he's made an absolute professional howler which have unseen consequences for us. Unlucky for him, and even unluckily for us, he's being called out on it. Rightly so. McGinn's statement is to the point, none partisan and the right side of anger that the club undoubtedly feel and should cascade.
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Overbo never recovered and this fucker shouldn't either. Release the hounds.
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Strangeways I think.
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Man makes mistake. Bigger mistakes were made by a bunch of our players, our goalie especially.
Correct, big mistake made, but Maatsen alone made 17 mistakes during the game.
Tanswell's take:
https://x.com/J_Tanswell/status/1926688143069081657 (https://x.com/J_Tanswell/status/1926688143069081657)
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Reckon he'll admit he got it wrong?
When do refs ever speak out publicly? Apart from when they're caught on camera sniffing and talking shit about teams he's refereed.
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They’re not allowed to.
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Pretty sure if it’s the other end he allows play to continue.
He could not wait to blow the whistle.
Bent or confirmation bias?
But the consequences of his decision is huge and I hope he does not sleep tonight.
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Thought he was a new signing. Gutted he's not.
You might have been playing a jest, but I actually though this when I saw the thread!
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Lots of Sheffield United fans seem to be really pleased about the decision, after that goal line technology controversy back in 2020. They've already named the ground after him.
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Split second decision that showed his inexperience. So for that a complaint is warranted. But what exactly are we seeking here? it’s done now. And it’s not the first time either.
Did it cost us, absolutely.
Did we deserve to win the game, absolutely not.
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Split second decision that showed his inexperience. So for that a complaint is warranted. But what exactly are we seeking here? it’s done now. And it’s not the first time either.
Did it cost us, absolutely.
Did we deserve to win the game, absolutely not.
These complaint is meaningless, we have complained, so what?
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We didn't need to win the game, mind.
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Everyone knows he fucked up. He knows he fucked up.
Villa writing a strong letter seems a bit petty.
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Yeah to be honest I’m more interested as to where they’ve got with the Man Citeh decision that goes on, and on, and on,
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Lots of Sheffield United fans seem to be really pleased about the decision, after that goal line technology controversy back in 2020. They've already named the ground after him.
V. good.
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Lots of Sheffield United fans seem to be really pleased about the decision, after that goal line technology controversy back in 2020. They've already named the ground after him.
Haha. Plus they’re wankers. I took great pleasure in their late fuck up yesterday. Enjoy the Championship again. Tossers. That incident has grown into legend in their local pubs. They ignore the fact there was time left in the game and also 9 games left in the season. Instead we were saved not just from relegation that night but from financial ruin immediately after the game ended.
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I think we should send a compliant - we need to get to the point where were like Liverpool or Man Utd - where refs are scared to make the wrong decision against us.
I dont think say he wasnt experienced enough is the way to go. I would just say it was a unacceptable failure to follow procedures that lead to a legitimate goal being disallowed.
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Lots of Sheffield United fans seem to be really pleased about the decision, after that goal line technology controversy back in 2020. They've already named the ground after him.
They’re wankers though. I took great pleasure in their late fuck up yesterday. Enjoy the Championship again. Tossers. That incident has grown into legend in their local pubs. They ignore the fact there was time left in the game and also 9 games left in the season. Instead we were saved not just from relegation that night but from financial ruin immediately after the game ended.
I'm going to be honest, TV. I have no idea if Sheffield United fans are really pleased, I just made it up so I could make that rubbish joke.
Solid work by you. But I guarantee those ****** laughed at it. And even if they didn’t, I laughed at them. And at the face of their twat manager.
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Lots of Sheffield United fans seem to be really pleased about the decision, after that goal line technology controversy back in 2020. They've already named the ground after him.
I did look up which team he supports - and it is actually Sheffield United.
Glad they lost the playoff now.
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A lot af Arse fans are convinced that PGMOL have got it in for them since the Arteta rant.
Maybe this is why our complaint is so muted.
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You’ve got to admit, the ‘ghost goal’ still is and will always be hilarious. Despite its wildly over exaggerated importance.
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Lots of Sheffield United fans seem to be really pleased about the decision, after that goal line technology controversy back in 2020. They've already named the ground after him.
They’re wankers though. I took great pleasure in their late fuck up yesterday. Enjoy the Championship again. Tossers. That incident has grown into legend in their local pubs. They ignore the fact there was time left in the game and also 9 games left in the season. Instead we were saved not just from relegation that night but from financial ruin immediately after the game ended.
I'm going to be honest, TV. I have no idea if Sheffield United fans are really pleased, I just made it up so I could make that rubbish joke.
Solid work by you. But I guarantee those ****** laughed at it. And even if they didn’t, I laughed at them. And at the face of their twat manager.
Yep, he's an arse. I hope all the Sunderland players ate sandwiches in front of him.
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The reason we didn't qualify for the CL is because we weren't good enough over 38 games. Any complaint from the Club is both pointless and belittling.
We are better than that.
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Yeah, why bother pointing out we're a bit frustrated about one of the worst mistakes in years going against us in a key game, better to just roll over and have our bellies tickled.
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Yeah, why bother pointing out we're a bit frustrated about one of the worst mistakes in years going against us in a key game, better to just roll over and have our bellies tickled.
Amen.
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Lots of Sheffield United fans seem to be really pleased about the decision, after that goal line technology controversy back in 2020. They've already named the ground after him.
Haha. Plus they’re wankers. I took great pleasure in their late fuck up yesterday. Enjoy the Championship again. Tossers. That incident has grown into legend in their local pubs. They ignore the fact there was time left in the game and also 9 games left in the season. Instead we were saved not just from relegation that night but from financial ruin immediately after the game ended.
Which local pubs? And which legend?
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Yeah, why bother pointing out we're a bit frustrated about one of the worst mistakes in years going against us in a key game, better to just roll over and have our bellies tickled.
Reading the complaint, that is what we have done.
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I really dont get this "the reason we didnt qualify is because we were good enough over 38 games".
Well - we were, we shoudl have be on 69 points with 17 minutes left. No one would be good enough if the goals they score dont count.
Yes - we had other opportunities to get more points - but so did everyone. We could have made it easier for ourselves, but ultimately - we did enough only to be let down by exceptionally poor officiating
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Lots of Sheffield United fans seem to be really pleased about the decision, after that goal line technology controversy back in 2020. They've already named the ground after him.
They’re wankers though. I took great pleasure in their late fuck up yesterday. Enjoy the Championship again. Tossers. That incident has grown into legend in their local pubs. They ignore the fact there was time left in the game and also 9 games left in the season. Instead we were saved not just from relegation that night but from financial ruin immediately after the game ended.
I'm going to be honest, TV. I have no idea if Sheffield United fans are really pleased, I just made it up so I could make that rubbish joke.
Solid work by you. But I guarantee those ****** laughed at it. And even if they didn’t, I laughed at them. And at the face of their twat manager.
Not having a pop at you, TV, more of a general point, but who gives a fuck about what Sheffield United fans laugh at or don't?
My attention to Sheffield United potentially enjoying our result today was even less than towards Small Heath enjoying it - and that was already pretty fucking minimal!
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In the grand scheme of things I don’t really care about them either. Anymore than I care about what the Noses think. It’s more they are equating what happened to us today to what happened against them at Villa Park. It’s all a bit stupid really because one isn’t remotely like the other. But they’re convinced it’s karma. Twats that they are.
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It must be shit to be a Sheffield United fan this weekend. Like the Albion they’re just a banter club now.
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In the grand scheme of things I don’t really care about them either. Anymore than I care about what the Noses think. It’s more they are equating what happened to us today to what happened against them at Villa Park. It’s all a bit stupid really because one isn’t remotely like the other. But they’re convinced it’s karma. Twats that they are.
Meh. Fuck 'em 🙂
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The reason we didn't qualify for the CL is because we weren't good enough over 38 games. Any complaint from the Club is both pointless and belittling.
We are better than that.
With 17 minutes to go of that season, where we missed out on goal difference we score a perfectly good goal, to be good enough. That's some fine margin.
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In the grand scheme of things I don’t really care about them either. Anymore than I care about what the Noses think. It’s more they are equating what happened to us today to what happened against them at Villa Park. It’s all a bit stupid really because one isn’t remotely like the other. But they’re convinced it’s karma. Twats that they are.
Meh. Fuck 'em 🙂
Except they don't really. Sure there will be one or two, in the same way there are fans from various clubs discussing it on the BBC live page thingy.
I've had it mentioned once to me since it happened and I live here, live with Blades, work with them and see them every day.
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The reason we didn't qualify for the CL is because we weren't good enough over 38 games. Any complaint from the Club is both pointless and belittling.
We are better than that.
Correct, it would be all a bit Liverpool to start making formal complaints etc . that resolve nothing anyway . Take it on the chin and move on .
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This Var can’t get involved once the ref blows his whistle……
https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw
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Split second decision that showed his inexperience. So for that a complaint is warranted. But what exactly are we seeking here? it’s done now. And it’s not the first time either.
Did it cost us, absolutely.
Did we deserve to win the game, absolutely not.
These complaint is meaningless, we have complained, so what?
So that in future the experience and level of competence of referees are taken into account when deciding who gets to officiate such high stakes games.
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Does his wiki still call him a manc wanker? If not I'm up for starting up a rota to keep amending it permanently.
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The reason we didn't qualify for the CL is because we weren't good enough over 38 games. Any complaint from the Club is both pointless and belittling.
We are better than that.
Correct, it would be all a bit Liverpool to start making formal complaints etc . that resolve nothing anyway . Take it on the chin and move on .
I wouldn’t normally agree with a club statement but this was needed. It’s doesn’t ask for a replay, it doesn’t go in on the ref but asks for an explanation as to why he was given the game. I think it was needed because the PGMOL has become an embarrassment.
This is not just a bad decision, which happens most times we play them, it goes against everything, in every game they’ve done and spoken about all season.
They don’t blow early because they use VAR to make the decision but yesterday the ref goes against that. It’s not corruption, it’s total incompetence on a level that needs an explanation and one for the public to see. The ref has decided he doesn’t want to use VAR this time.
You get managers going public and attacking the refs in interviews yet Emery has done the opposite after, which shows a lot of class. I think we are due an explanation from an organisation that hides behind every excuse in the book. The PGMOL needs an overhaul because they are making a mockery of the game and if that’s what this encourages then it’s been worth it.
Do little old Aston Villa not deserve an experienced referee for our game? It’s about time someone called them out and about time we stuck up for ourselves because no one else will.
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Split second decision that showed his inexperience. So for that a complaint is warranted. But what exactly are we seeking here? it’s done now. And it’s not the first time either.
Did it cost us, absolutely.
Did we deserve to win the game, absolutely not.
These complaint is meaningless, we have complained, so what?
So that in future the experience and level of competence of referees are taken into account when deciding who gets to officiate such high stakes games.
You would have thought that an organisation that is paid to organise match officiating would know this already.
It won’t change anything.
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This Var can’t get involved once the ref blows his whistle……
https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw
That's nothing like the same thing though.
That's a penalty being given for an offence that happened while the game was taking place, like any other VAR decision.
Brighton player handballs it, VAR tells the referee he's missed it, play goes back.
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“Any complaint from the Club is both pointless and belittling. We are better than that.”
Pure cowardice. This is the losers action of adjusting their mental attitude after suffering real injustice. It's the defeated activity of attempting to put a mask of spurious 'honour' over the scar just inflicted, signalling acceptance that you will do nothing to fight against it. Cowardice = acceptance of injustice.
It's not 'belittling', it looks weak. Because it is. I hope the club finally start to act seriously against the Premier League and the PGMOL regime they installed and fight. Because if they don't we will continue to experience the level of unfairness we've undoubtedly experienced for at least 5 years now. Almost single-handedly the Villa have been on the losing end of three or four major changes in rules just to paper-over the incompetence and bias delivered by PGMOL on behalf of the PL.
We don't even need to fight solely on our own behalf though, it's just a fight for the structure and processes of the competition to deliver a fair result. Not tilted in any direction, just a level playing field we can all compete in. Contrasting with the odious, biased and slanted delivery we currently experience.
If you want a laugh, go back over any discussion on VAR or refereeing competence on this forum or any other held in the last 5 or 6 years and laugh desperately at all the comments which support the PL and PGMOL.
- 'It all evens-out across the season'. Do you still think that? It has never been true and is simplistic, cowardly nonsense. Relegations, promotions and European qualification are determined by the actual accumulation of incompetent and biased results across a season.
- 'You can't change the rules for the competition; the PL will always win.' Just tell Man City lawyers and owners that then; they seem to be be doing whatever the hell they like and the PL are failing in response.
- 'There has always been human error involved in football, it's a part of the game.' Installing rules and a refereeing system is meant to move a haphazard set of human failings towards a more fair set of results not further away from it by creating new and interesting ways to sway the results of games.
Refereeing is failing on a consistent and massive level compared to the degree of fairness delivered by other major sports (cricket, rugby, tennis, american thuggery etc). Football deserves far better than this clown show. But we won't get it if we don't fight for it and we won't even fight if we adopt an attitude of defeat whenever we are screwed by the PL and PGMOL.
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This Var can’t get involved once the ref blows his whistle……
https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw
That's nothing like the same thing though.
That's a penalty being given for an offence that happened while the game was taking place, like any other VAR decision.
Brighton player handballs it, VAR tells the referee he's missed it, play goes back.
It’s something like the same thing as the premise is that incidents can’t be looked at once the ref blows his whistle. They obviously can.
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This Var can’t get involved once the ref blows his whistle……
https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw
That's nothing like the same thing though.
That's a penalty being given for an offence that happened while the game was taking place, like any other VAR decision.
Brighton player handballs it, VAR tells the referee he's missed it, play goes back.
It’s something like the same thing as the premise is that incidents can’t be looked at once the ref blows his whistle. They obviously can.
That's not what the issue is here. There was nothing for VAR to go back and look at, because anything that happens after the referee has blown his whistle isn't part of the game. There was no "incident" for them to judge. They could technically have gone back and said "yeah, actually that wasn't a foul", but we don't get the goal in those circumstances, because the goal was scored once the game had stopped.
In the example that bloke's posted, the equivalent would be the referee blowing the whistle for full-time, then Man Utd scoring and VAR giving the goal even though the game had ended.
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For years we've let injustices go unremarked because, "We're better than that." Funnily enough, the clubs who aren't better than that, the ones who complain loudest, tend to be the clubs who win trophies.
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Precisely. Yet another marker in the sand. We understand the rules, we know it can't be changed but you can bet we're not fucking happy about it.
We won't be fucked around with.
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Yeah, why bother pointing out we're a bit frustrated about one of the worst mistakes in years going against us in a key game, better to just roll over and have our bellies tickled.
Reading the complaint, that is what we have done.
I think it's worth underlining our annoyance. When it comes to officialdom, a lot of it is psychological warfare. Anything that can plant a seed in the mind of the FA and referees, to the effect that Villa have been wronged and that they might have some cause to feel sympathetic to our cause, will do us no harm in the future.
It's all about banking the credit and upping the pressure bit by bit. It's why Yanited get the decisions they do, for example. Takes years to build that sort of unconscious bias.
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Yeah, why bother pointing out we're a bit frustrated about one of the worst mistakes in years going against us in a key game, better to just roll over and have our bellies tickled.
Reading the complaint, that is what we have done.
I think it's worth underlining our annoyance. When it comes to officialdom, a lot of it is psychological warfare. Anything that can plant a seed in the mind of the FA and referees, to the effect that Villa have been wronged and that they might have some cause to feel sympathetic to our cause, will do us no harm in the future.
It's all about banking the credit and upping the pressure bit by bit. It's why Yanited get the decisions they do, for example. Takes years to build that sort of unconscious bias.
Or a Rolex.
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I think we’ve complained in the right way - not gone personal, or demanding an outcome we’re never getting. But calling out the process, which is entirely reasonable.
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In the grand scheme of things I don’t really care about them either. Anymore than I care about what the Noses think. It’s more they are equating what happened to us today to what happened against them at Villa Park. It’s all a bit stupid really because one isn’t remotely like the other. But they’re convinced it’s karma. Twats that they are.
Meh. Fuck 'em 🙂
Except they don't really. Sure there will be one or two, in the same way there are fans from various clubs discussing it on the BBC live page thingy.
I've had it mentioned once to me since it happened and I live here, live with Blades, work with them and see them every day.
My in laws have a chunter about it every now and then, but to be fair it was an astonishing fuck up. And it's in the context of who's the longest suffering and unluckiest. I don't suppose they give it a thought when I'm not around.
It's probably just people on forums, and they're a strange lot.
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And I think SamTheMouse is bang on.
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Paddy Power:
🚨 JUSTICE PAYOUT 🚨
After the refereeing howler yesterday at Old Trafford, we have PAID OUT on the following:
⚽️ Morgan Rogers first goalscorer
⚽️ Morgan Rogers anytime goalscorer
⚽️ Morgan Rogers to score or assist
⚽️ Morgan Rogers shot on target
5️⃣ Aston Villa to finish Top 5
It's from their X, I assume it's genuine. Good bit of marketing.
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I agree with Sam and Paul and hop.
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This Var can’t get involved once the ref blows his whistle……
https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw
That's nothing like the same thing though.
That's a penalty being given for an offence that happened while the game was taking place, like any other VAR decision.
Brighton player handballs it, VAR tells the referee he's missed it, play goes back.
It’s something like the same thing as the premise is that incidents can’t be looked at once the ref blows his whistle. They obviously can.
That's not what the issue is here. There was nothing for VAR to go back and look at, because anything that happens after the referee has blown his whistle isn't part of the game. There was no "incident" for them to judge. They could technically have gone back and said "yeah, actually that wasn't a foul", but we don't get the goal in those circumstances, because the goal was scored once the game had stopped.
In the example that bloke's posted, the equivalent would be the referee blowing the whistle for full-time, then Man Utd scoring and VAR giving the goal even though the game had ended.
I think a counter point in that example Dave would be that the ref has blown the whistle for full-time and the game has ended, yet VAR has got involved and awarded a penalty meaning that the game didn't end at the referee's whistle and would continue so the penalty could be taken.
I accept that it is tenuous, but it could be argued that the referee blew his whistle yesterday so the gane stopped at that point, but he did so incorrectly so what happened after should have stood.
I think it is the thought process aftet the foul rather than the ref's actual decision that was the problem. He thought it was a foul so blew, no real issues with that as it was only when it was slowed down and showed from a different angle that you could actually see that it wasn't a foul. Easy in hindsight, but he should have allowed Rogers to score and then awarded the foul which would have allowed VAR to have a look.
Frustrating as it's cost us, but in the bigger picture it's something that can be addressed as it wouldn't happen very often.
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Howard Webb has the cushiest number in football…he literally goes missing the moment there is anything controversial. Should have been all over that utter cock up yesterday but will no doubt maintain radio silence.
That’s why I wasn’t against the statement because anything that ramps up some pressure on that failure is good. Standards of officiating just isn’t improving….after 4 years they are nowhere nearer getting VAR working properly….they always dumb down on bad decisions and every year we’ll get another set of bonkers regulations to make it even harder for the officials.
Human error can be accepted if you think it will improve in time but it just doesn’t and that idiot just doesn’t take any accountability.
Riley was terrible…Webb is as bad!
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The bigger picture is that we are financially much worse off, likely to miss out on players that might improve us and so on. The very big picture is that the whole point of VAR is that errors such as this are righted.
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It’s up there with the most consequential reffing mistakes.
I wonder how the Dipstick is feeling today.
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Howard Webb has the cushiest number in football…he literally goes missing the moment there is anything controversial. Should have been all over that utter cock up yesterday but will no doubt maintain radio silence.
That’s why I wasn’t against the statement because anything that ramps up some pressure on that failure is good. Standards of officiating just isn’t improving….after 4 years they are nowhere nearer getting VAR working properly….they always dumb down on bad decisions and every year we’ll get another set of bonkers regulations to make it even harder for the officials.
Human error can be accepted if you think it will improve in time but it just doesn’t and that idiot just doesn’t take any accountability.
Riley was terrible…Webb is as bad!
Excellent points about Howard Webb. He's literally Chief Arse Coverer for PGMOL and match officials. PGMOL released a statement saying the ref got it right because the keeper had the ball under control. A blind man on galloping horse could see that the keeper at no point had the ball under control. Their cover has been blown by all the pundits saying the opposite and even second in command arse coverer Dermot the Herbert Gallagher has said it was a legitimate goal and a huge cock up. So can we expect an official statement from Webb? I very much doubt it. Spineless twat.
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It’s up there with the most consequential reffing mistakes.
I wonder how the Dipstick is feeling today.
I started this thread in anger, but on reflection he has apparently acknowledged his mistake and he is a young referee who will learn from this, so I hope he does and goes on to be come a top referee - but I will still boo him if he is ever selected for one of our games!
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It’s up there with the most consequential reffing mistakes.
I wonder how the Dipstick is feeling today.
I started this thread in anger, but on reflection he has apparently acknowledged his mistake and he is a young referee who will learn from this, so I hope he does and goes on to be come a top referee - but I will still boo him if he is ever selected for one of our games!
I will never forgive him.
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I hope he gets really disappointing Christmas presents for the next few years.
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Can't go forgiving people for making mistakes 😡. Prison would be too good for him, and even then he'd just get to play PlayStation all day 😤.
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Can't go forgiving people for making mistakes 😡. Prison would be too good for him, and even then he'd just get to play PlayStation all day 😤.
I agree. A public flogging in front of the Holte End would be suitable punishment.
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I'd make him rewatch the Wimbledon vs Walsall playoff final on a loop. That'll teach the bastard.
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Has he officially acknowledged his mistake?
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I'd make him rewatch the Wimbledon vs Walsall playoff final on a loop. That'll teach the bastard.
The only reason I'm on here is because that game bored me to tears. Walsall not qualifying from their position... god knows what their players are feeling.
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Has he officially acknowledged his mistake?
He won’t - there’s no point and they don’t put ref’s out like that.
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I wish nothing but Japanese Knotweed to invade his garden.
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I wish nothing but Japanese Knotweed to invade his garden.
If he were to step bare footed on lego bricks every day for the rest of his life I wouldn’t feel sorry for him.
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I wish nothing but Japanese Knotweed to invade his garden.
Pure evil😜
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The reason we didn't qualify for the CL is because we weren't good enough over 38 games. Any complaint from the Club is both pointless and belittling.
We are better than that.
Correct, it would be all a bit Liverpool to start making formal complaints etc . that resolve nothing anyway . Take it on the chin and move on .
I wouldn’t normally agree with a club statement but this was needed. It’s doesn’t ask for a replay, it doesn’t go in on the ref but asks for an explanation as to why he was given the game. I think it was needed because the PGMOL has become an embarrassment.
This is not just a bad decision, which happens most times we play them, it goes against everything, in every game they’ve done and spoken about all season.
They don’t blow early because they use VAR to make the decision but yesterday the ref goes against that. It’s not corruption, it’s total incompetence on a level that needs an explanation and one for the public to see. The ref has decided he doesn’t want to use VAR this time.
You get managers going public and attacking the refs in interviews yet Emery has done the opposite after, which shows a lot of class. I think we are due an explanation from an organisation that hides behind every excuse in the book. The PGMOL needs an overhaul because they are making a mockery of the game and if that’s what this encourages then it’s been worth it.
Do little old Aston Villa not deserve an experienced referee for our game? It’s about time someone called them out and about time we stuck up for ourselves because no one else will.
Agree with all of this. Unai himself said after the game, the ref made a mistake, but players make mistakes, coaches make mistakes. His biggest mistake was blowing too early and denying VAR the opportunity to review it. I am 100% sure that the fact that half of his games this season have been in the Championship (which doesn't have VAR) played a part in his error. I'm confident that pretty much any ref who has ONLY ref'd Premier league and VAR games this season doesn't make the same mistake.
I'm perfectly happy with the club's complaint. It acknowledges it was a mistake, doesn't ask for anything to be overturned or changed, but places on record our displeasure at such an inexperienced ref getting such a high-profile game on the last day of the season, when other excellent and experienced refs were available.
I bet the first draft was LOT stronger worded :-)
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I was discussing the decision with a mate last night and said I can't tell whether PGMOL are corruption masquerading as incompetence or vice versa but you also have to throw lack of experience into the mix. That is what the club is questioning.
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I was discussing the decision with a mate last night and said I can't tell whether PGMOL are corruption masquerading as incompetence or vice versa but you also have to throw lack of experience into the mix. That is what the club is questioning.
I think Hanlon's razor applies: "never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence". It was a bad decision to appoint him, and he made a bad decision in the game. I certainly don't think there is anything Machiavellian going on.
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I was discussing the decision with a mate last night and said I can't tell whether PGMOL are corruption masquerading as incompetence or vice versa but you also have to throw lack of experience into the mix. That is what the club is questioning.
I think Hanlon's razor applies: "never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence". It was a bad decision to appoint him, and he made a bad decision in the game. I certainly don't think there is anything Machiavellian going on.
No, incompetence and inexperience is the explanation but PGMOL's consistent lack of planning for foreseeable events like this are just embarrassing.
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It was just a mistake. And let's face it how many times can any of us remember a challenge like that not being a foul? He blew too quickly, on a very big occasion in front of the biggest crowd of his career.
It's something our statement covers. In that moment he made a choice, and as it turns out it's the wrong one.
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It was just a mistake. And let's face it how many times can any of us remember a challenge like that not being a foul? He blew too quickly, on a very big occasion in front of the biggest crowd of his career.
It's something our statement covers. In that moment he made a choice, and as it turns out it's the wrong one.
Pretty much where I am.
For all the talk of a 'new Villa', and for as shit as Man Utd are, could anyone have hand-picked a worse fixture for us to need anything from than away at Old Trafford?
As others have said, it was like Villa vs Man Utd bingo:
- We played shit
- We had a player sent off
- We had a referee error deny us a goal
- We had a penalty against us
We can rant and rage, but we need to worship at the church of CD. We need to humble ourselves and regard it as something greater than just our support of a football club. Aston Villa serves as a sublime philosophical and theological proof - that of the Epicurean Paradox.
Picking a random point in time but one long enough ago to be valid, one can easily substitute the existence of suffering/evil with Aston Villa's record vs Man Utd since I was born (1989):
- If god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, he cannot be omniscient, because the only explanation is that he is not able to see this happening.
- If god is omniscient and omnibenevolent, he cannot be omnipotent, because the only explanation is that he cannot stop this from happening.
- If god is omnipotent and omniscient, he cannot be omnibenevolent, because the only explanation is that he is choosing to allow this to happen.
We are more than a football club. We are proof of the non-existence of God.
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Terrible Ref.
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Championship level. Let's not forget the fact that apart from making the wrong decision to blow and deny the use of VAR, he's got the actual decision incorrect as well. So if there were no VAR we would have been screwed by a crap ref anyway. He's fucking shit, should be reffing Rags vs Oxford type games next season.
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I don't blame him for getting the decision wrong, because in real time and in any normal situation from where he was, that looks like a foul.
He blew too early, because he was confident in what he saw. He was wrong, it's costly, but he's a young guy in a very tough moment. It shouldn't ruin his career, he was put in by Webb and PGMOL, and that's where the real criticism should lay. That bunch of incompetents.
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The really frustrating thing is that the more experienced referees weren’t particularly busy on the day. From what I’ve read, Michael Oliver was on VAR at the nothing match between Spurs and Brighton. But because he is a Newcastle fan, they probably thought he isn’t the best man for the job at Old Trafford. I’m not saying he is the best there is or that he hasn’t screwed us over in the past, but with his experience he probably doesn’t blow his whistle a second before the ball crosses the line.
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I don't blame him for getting the decision wrong, because in real time and in any normal situation from where he was, that looks like a foul.
He blew too early, because he was confident in what he saw. He was wrong, it's costly, but he's a young guy in a very tough moment. It shouldn't ruin his career, he was put in by Webb and PGMOL, and that's where the real criticism should lay. That bunch of incompetents.
Agree about the decision itself, but it was the decision to blow the whistle when he did that was the key one. It would be interesting to know if referees are Instructed to let play go in those kind of circumstances, but I guess it was such a rare occurrence that it might not be covered.
Going forward, I guess the VAR rule could be changed to check incidents that occur after the whistle if a goal is scored immediately after?
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I don't blame him for getting the decision wrong, because in real time and in any normal situation from where he was, that looks like a foul.
He blew too early, because he was confident in what he saw. He was wrong, it's costly, but he's a young guy in a very tough moment. It shouldn't ruin his career, he was put in by Webb and PGMOL, and that's where the real criticism should lay. That bunch of incompetents.
Agree about the decision itself, but it was the decision to blow the whistle when he did that was the key one. It would be interesting to know if referees are Instructed to let play go in those kind of circumstances, but I guess it was such a rare occurrence that it might not be covered.
Going forward, I guess the VAR rule could be changed to check incidents that occur after the whistle if a goal is scored immediately after?
It is rare but surely every professional ref knows that you don't blow the whistle as someone is taking a shot, you can always give the foul afterwards but as soon as you blow up you've taken any options away from yourself. Even without VAR taking a moment to decide if the keeper was holding the ball makes sense but with VAR it's just a bizarre choice which has created this whole shitshow for himself.
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Humans make mistakes so we just have to take his on the chin. I'm sure he's beaten himself up about it enough. It's the PGMOL who need to change things here, it was clear after the Eze non-goal against Brentford there was a loophole that needs closing. They need to give the VAR the power to say whether the whistle has affected any of the defenders involved from preventing the goal, if not they should be able to intervene.
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Pile on on the ref himself is pointless and not right…he made the mistake he has to own it
Pile on to PGMOL and their leader is fully justified…they have to be held to account over standards or lack of them.
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Very admirable to say “take it on the chin” and “We all make mistakes”. We’re talking millions of £ in lost revenue here. When we’re looking to compete for a top striker or not having to sell a player does the same understanding apply?
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I bet Kevin Friend, an experienced referee would have blown the whistle early too.
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I've calmed down enough now to be able to think about this without actually frothing at the mouth. Having spent the rest of the season swearing about linesmen not raising the flag for clear offsides until 20 seconds after the incident, it does feel a little ironic to be swearing about the opposite when a referee is involved. It was clearly the wrong decision, there can be no arguement. The frustration is that VAR was unable to do the one thing it is there to do, correct the incorrect decision. The rule saying that they cannot alter what occurs after the whistle is blown is the issue here. The rule exists for those thimes when the whistle has gone, everybody has stopped and the attacker carries on a rolls the ball into an empty net, not what occured on sunday when the play was still very much "live".
We can't be narrow minded enough to say that we didn't get into the CL because of this one decision. We left too many points out on the field earlier in the season, too many late goals conceeded, too many listless 45 minutes. The final run in showed how much better we could have been all season, and tht is the greater frustration for me.
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The fact that he has been reffing in the Championship fairly recently this season, where they don't have VAR, might be why he instinctively blew rather than leaving it to VAR.
Which is why a more experienced prem ref would have been better.
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The fact that he has been reffing in the Championship fairly recently this season, where they don't have VAR, might be why he instinctively blew rather than leaving it to VAR.
Which is why a more experienced prem ref would have been better.
That’s the key point Villa are making versus just complaining. Initially that’s what I thought. Nobody expects us to get the game replayed. It’s done. But it’s to make the point that in such a key game why put someone quite experience at this level for game with significant consequences, when so many other senior officials could have been on duty? He’s made a colossal error. We don’t know if we’d have held on to the lead (it’s us at Old Trafford after all), but at 1-0 with 20 minutes to go we have a shot to at least get a massive point.
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Championship level. Let's not forget the fact that apart from making the wrong decision to blow and deny the use of VAR, he's got the actual decision incorrect as well. So if there were no VAR we would have been screwed by a crap ref anyway. He's fucking shit, should be reffing Rags vs Oxford type games next season.
I suspect the issue is that he has been doing most of his reffing in the Championship where there is no VAR and you have to make a decision.
In a world without VAR, that decision gets chalked down as "just another referee mistake".
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The fact that he has been reffing in the Championship fairly recently this season, where they don't have VAR, might be why he instinctively blew rather than leaving it to VAR.
Which is why a more experienced prem ref would have been better.
That’s the key point Villa are making versus just complaining. Initially that’s what I thought. Nobody expects us to get the game replayed. It’s done. But it’s to make the point that in such a key game why put someone quite experience at this level for game with significant consequences, when so many other senior officials could have been on duty? He’s made a colossal error. We don’t know if we’d have held on to the lead (it’s us at Old Trafford after all), but at 1-0 with 20 minutes to go we have a shot to at least get a massive point.
Weirdly Michael Oliver was doing VAR at the irrelevant Spurs-Brighton game.
Now, he's a Newcastle fan, so probably shouldn't have been doing our game, but he could have done another game and bumped a more experienced ref into our game.
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The fact that he has been reffing in the Championship fairly recently this season, where they don't have VAR, might be why he instinctively blew rather than leaving it to VAR.
Which is why a more experienced prem ref would have been better.
That’s the key point Villa are making versus just complaining. Initially that’s what I thought. Nobody expects us to get the game replayed. It’s done. But it’s to make the point that in such a key game why put someone quite experience at this level for game with significant consequences, when so many other senior officials could have been on duty? He’s made a colossal error. We don’t know if we’d have held on to the lead (it’s us at Old Trafford after all), but at 1-0 with 20 minutes to go we have a shot to at least get a massive point.
Weirdly Michael Oliver was doing VAR at the irrelevant Spurs-Brighton game.
Now, he's a Newcastle fan, so probably shouldn't have been doing our game, but he could have done another game and bumped a more experienced ref into our game.
Even Attwell would've been better at another game instead of sitting on VAR for us.
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Maybe this will sound naive, but I don’t really buy this “he’s a fan of X so he shouldn’t be officiating a certain match” argument. Pretty much everyone who follows the game grows up supporting someone. When they become professionals in the game those things get put to the side. My old schoolmate Mark Harrison as an example was hardcore Bluenose. But now he works for us I’m sure he’s dedicated to doing the best for Villa. I know it’s a lot more sensitive and public as a match official, but I still believe all of them would do the right thing by the job versus who they might have supported or do.
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Maybe this will sound naive, but I don’t really buy this “he’s a fan of X so he shouldn’t be officiating a certain match” argument. Pretty much everyone who follows the game grows up supporting someone. When they become professionals in the game those things get put to the side. My old schoolmate Mark Harrison as an example was hardcore Bluenose. But now he works for us I’m sure he’s dedicated to doing the best for Villa. I know it’s a lot more sensitive and public as a match official, but I still believe all of them would do the right thing by the job versus who they might have supported or do.
You'd certainly hope they'd be able to at least set it aside.
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If I worked for another club and the opportunity to help Villa came up I'm afraid I might have to help our beloved Villa.
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If I worked for another club and the opportunity to help Villa came up I'm afraid I might have to help our beloved Villa.
nah you wouldn't. You'd be a professional and do your job for yourself, your career, reputation and family. We all think we would but most of us aren't corrupt. Or at least we wouldn't risk it all for football as much as we might love our club.
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God, don't suggest that to Crown Hill/jon, he hates it enough already when Attwell is reffing.
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Maybe this will sound naive, but I don’t really buy this “he’s a fan of X so he shouldn’t be officiating a certain match” argument. Pretty much everyone who follows the game grows up supporting someone. When they become professionals in the game those things get put to the side. My old schoolmate Mark Harrison as an example was hardcore Bluenose. But now he works for us I’m sure he’s dedicated to doing the best for Villa. I know it’s a lot more sensitive and public as a match official, but I still believe all of them would do the right thing by the job versus who they might have supported or do.
But it is the perception. You already get fans shouting "corrupt" at the drop of a hat (see "coventry fan Attwell"). If Oliver had reffed our game and just after Newcastle start losing the same decision is made with the same outcomes, you don't think him being a Newcastle fan would be raised? It isn't really a problem earlier in the season but would definitely have been with the stakes in the last few matches.
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Surely the answer is just to abduct children from disadvantaged parents at birth and raise them in a mountain top monastery, with no exposure to any outside influences and educated only in pure refereeing. David Ellery can be their living god.
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I don't blame him for getting the decision wrong, because in real time and in any normal situation from where he was, that looks like a foul.
He blew too early, because he was confident in what he saw. He was wrong, it's costly, but he's a young guy in a very tough moment. It shouldn't ruin his career, he was put in by Webb and PGMOL, and that's where the real criticism should lay. That bunch of incompetents.
Stood further away in the away end in 233 and it looked like a fucking disgraceful decision.
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Maybe this will sound naive, but I don’t really buy this “he’s a fan of X so he shouldn’t be officiating a certain match” argument. Pretty much everyone who follows the game grows up supporting someone. When they become professionals in the game those things get put to the side. My old schoolmate Mark Harrison as an example was hardcore Bluenose. But now he works for us I’m sure he’s dedicated to doing the best for Villa. I know it’s a lot more sensitive and public as a match official, but I still believe all of them would do the right thing by the job versus who they might have supported or do.
You'd certainly hope they'd be able to at least set it aside.
They probably can, but imagine the reaction if a ref that was a Newcastle fan had blown the whistle. It's to eliminate potential claims of a deliberate fuck up rather than it just being a fuck up.
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Maybe this will sound naive, but I don’t really buy this “he’s a fan of X so he shouldn’t be officiating a certain match” argument. Pretty much everyone who follows the game grows up supporting someone. When they become professionals in the game those things get put to the side. My old schoolmate Mark Harrison as an example was hardcore Bluenose. But now he works for us I’m sure he’s dedicated to doing the best for Villa. I know it’s a lot more sensitive and public as a match official, but I still believe all of them would do the right thing by the job versus who they might have supported or do.
You'd certainly hope they'd be able to at least set it aside.
They probably can, but imagine the reaction if a ref that was a Newcastle fan had blown the whistle. It's to eliminate potential claims of a deliberate fuck up rather than it just being a fuck up.
Of course, and that's obviously why they try to avoid clashes, but I think most of the time it's a topic more in fans minds than in reality. The impact of certain home crowds on the ref is a far bigger issue, with the number of incorrect or arguable decisions in favour of Arsenal, Newcastle, Liverpool and Man Utd (in particular) a genuine talking point. This is where the 'they even out over the season' is clearly bullshit.
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The evidence for referee bias in football is extensive, tested and clear; home bias is real. It's not the only bias but it does exist.
"For football, a number of studies have shown that referees favour the home team. Favouritism of football referees can be shown using different measures, such as stoppage time in close games, awarding goals, penalty kicks, and awarding cards to players. Though there are differences in magnitude, the results are consistent across different time periods as well as across countries."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273835772_Referee_Bias
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For years we've let injustices go unremarked because, "We're better than that." Funnily enough, the clubs who aren't better than that, the ones who complain loudest, tend to be the clubs who win trophies.
Is the correct assessment.
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The evidence for referee bias in football is extensive, tested and clear; home bias is real. It's not the only bias but it does exist.
"For football, a number of studies have shown that referees favour the home team. Favouritism of football referees can be shown using different measures, such as stoppage time in close games, awarding goals, penalty kicks, and awarding cards to players. Though there are differences in magnitude, the results are consistent across different time periods as well as across countries."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273835772_Referee_Bias
It's the same in all sports. But I don't think it had any bearing on that incident. The referee just blew the whistle too early, he thought the keeper had control of the ball.
I was far more furious about decisions like was it Man City against us a few seasons back when Mings was dispossessed by an offside player and they scored. Instead of owning the mistake that time the referees came up with some weird interpretation of the offside rule, low and behold that was quietly addressed about a week later. That ticked all the boxes - home club decision, double down on the ridiculous reason for giving it, addressed afterwards. This season, there was a blatant penalty on Ramsey not given at Brighton. Sunday aside, can't remember off hand any more brutal calls against us this season.
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I might be late to the party - but I thought this was title of a new ACR album that has been released.
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If I worked for another club and the opportunity to help Villa came up I'm afraid I might have to help our beloved Villa.
nah you wouldn't. You'd be a professional and do your job for yourself, your career, reputation and family. We all think we would but most of us aren't corrupt. Or at least we wouldn't risk it all for football as much as we might love our club.
Just want to let everyone know where I am. I’d cheat to give Villa 3 points. Fuck myself, my career and my family.
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One idea to counteract the concious or subconscious bias is to use referee's from other countries. The richest league in the world can afford to fly in referee's from across Europe. Most of us think they hate the PL clubs anyway so they would have no reason to favour the Sky 6. Using a rookie ref for our game was really poor from Pgmol and as someone pointed out earlier Bramall has spent a lot of time in lower league football where they don't have VAR. Under the pressure of being at OT with the game beamed live across the globe maybe he forgot about VAR and just took a guess from 25 yards away where it was impossible to know for sure if the keeper had the ball under control. He literally had no need to do that.
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I'd make him rewatch the Wimbledon vs Walsall playoff final on a loop. That'll teach the bastard.
I was sad for Uncle. How did he play?
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The fact that he has been reffing in the Championship fairly recently this season, where they don't have VAR, might be why he instinctively blew rather than leaving it to VAR.
Which is why a more experienced prem ref would have been better.
That’s the key point Villa are making versus just complaining. Initially that’s what I thought. Nobody expects us to get the game replayed. It’s done. But it’s to make the point that in such a key game why put someone quite experience at this level for game with significant consequences, when so many other senior officials could have been on duty? He’s made a colossal error. We don’t know if we’d have held on to the lead (it’s us at Old Trafford after all), but at 1-0 with 20 minutes to go we have a shot to at least get a massive point.
Weirdly Michael Oliver was doing VAR at the irrelevant Spurs-Brighton game.
Now, he's a Newcastle fan, so probably shouldn't have been doing our game, but he could have done another game and bumped a more experienced ref into our game.
Even Attwell would've been better at another game instead of sitting on VAR for us.
I don’t think so. If it had got to him I think he would have said it was a foul. I still think it’s wrong he never refs Cov games but he does ref us regularly to our cost!
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The fact that he has been reffing in the Championship fairly recently this season, where they don't have VAR, might be why he instinctively blew rather than leaving it to VAR.
Which is why a more experienced prem ref would have been better.
That’s the key point Villa are making versus just complaining. Initially that’s what I thought. Nobody expects us to get the game replayed. It’s done. But it’s to make the point that in such a key game why put someone quite experience at this level for game with significant consequences, when so many other senior officials could have been on duty? He’s made a colossal error. We don’t know if we’d have held on to the lead (it’s us at Old Trafford after all), but at 1-0 with 20 minutes to go we have a shot to at least get a massive point.
Weirdly Michael Oliver was doing VAR at the irrelevant Spurs-Brighton game.
Now, he's a Newcastle fan, so probably shouldn't have been doing our game, but he could have done another game and bumped a more experienced ref into our game.
Even Attwell would've been better at another game instead of sitting on VAR for us.
I don’t think so. If it had got to him I think he would have said it was a foul. I still think it’s wrong he never refs Cov games but he does ref us regularly to our cost!
Attwell isn’t biased to anyone, he is absolutely awful for all teams he referees…& some idiot gave him the cup final
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Warwickshire refs shouldn’t ref Warwickshire teams full stop.
And I think we’ve come the wrong side of him more than most. It’s pretty clear he thoroughly dislikes us!
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I'd make him rewatch the Wimbledon vs Walsall playoff final on a loop. That'll teach the bastard.
I was sad for Uncle. How did he play?
I was only half-watching but he didn't do anything of note (or, if he did, I missed it). Came on with half an hour left.
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I didn't realise Man City was in Warwickshire. I mean why else was he shit in the FA Cup final for them.
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Yes is inexperienced, and he got the decisions wrong on the day, but he got the decisions wrong in Manure's favour. Lots of very experienced refs got the decisions wrong in Manures favour over the years. We need to beat the team and not expect anything from refs in Old Trafford.
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Even competence?
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That response that was in progress from PGMOL is a long time in coming….
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If I worked for another club and the opportunity to help Villa came up I'm afraid I might have to help our beloved Villa.
nah you wouldn't. You'd be a professional and do your job for yourself, your career, reputation and family. We all think we would but most of us aren't corrupt. Or at least we wouldn't risk it all for football as much as we might love our club.
Just want to let everyone know where I am. I’d cheat to give Villa 3 points. Fuck myself, my career and my family.
I would fuck over every team in direct competition with us too in any way that was beneficial to us at any given time. I'd not make it obvious because I'd want it to last as long as possible. There are definitely refs who are biased. It's human nature.
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Also as I said for the same logical reason he doesn’t ref Coventry games he shouldn’t ref Villa matches.
As for PGMOL response they will be lawyered up because they won’t want to admit any liability.
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Unless the ref was paid off to make the decision and PGMOL were aware, I don't think they can be sued over lost money. Otherwise we would have lots of cases each year.
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The PGMOL report of the Man U v Aston Villa should have made interesting reading but it would seem that the game was pretty straightforward with no controversy. A whitewash if ever I saw one.
Report
Aston Villa missed out on a place in the UEFA Champions League as they had Emiliano Martinez sent off in a 2-0 defeat to Manchester United.
Amad and Christian Eriksen were on target at Old Trafford, where Martinez was sent off at the end of the first half after he wiped out Rasmus Hojlund.
Man Utd took a deserved lead when Amad headed home Bruno Fernandes' excellent left-wing centre in the 76th minute.
Eriksen, playing his last game for United, added a second from the penalty spot as the beaten UEFA Europa League finalists signed off with a win that sees them finish 15th.
Villa, though, will have to settle for sixth and a spot in the Europa League after the final-day defeat meant they missed out on the top five on goal difference, despite Newcastle United’s loss to Everton.
How the match unfolded
Martinez made four saves in the opening 10 minutes alone, with Mason Mount twice denied as Man Utd came out of the traps fast.
Amad bundled wide from eight yards and substitute Diogo Dalot crashed an out-swinging shot against the left upright, albeit an earlier offside may have denied him anyway.
Villa's cause was not helped when Matty Cash's slack back-pass was pounced on by Hojlund and Martinez rushed out to bodycheck the United forward, receiving a straight red.
Hojlund nodded home after the restart only to be denied by the offside flag and Casemiro then clipped the outside of the right post. United survived a scare when Morgan Rogers seemingly pipped the ball from the hands of Altay Bayindir and slid into an unguarded goal, but referee Thomas Bramall had already blown for a foul.
The breakthrough finally came when Amad arrived at the back post to head home a stupendous cross from Fernandes.
Amad was involved again when Ian Maatsen clipped the winger inside the area and Fernandes graciously handed the ball to Eriksen, who smashed his penalty straight down the middle in the 87th minute.
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Clearly you guys are not an annoyed as I am. It was a shocking decision which has cost our club millions and if I’m honest I had no idea who he was, but I do now
Yeah but you’re implying you’d want to be physically violent - or if you’re not it seems like you are - it’s a bit much. He fucked up, it’s fucking annoying but that’s what it is.
Whilst I'm not sure that idiot deserves a thread of his own because it give him the fame that Refs these days crave.
But where's the implying of physical violence? Could just as much imply that the poster would like to meet him to tell him a few home truths about himself.
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Clearly you guys are not an annoyed as I am. It was a shocking decision which has cost our club millions and if I’m honest I had no idea who he was, but I do now
Yeah but you’re implying you’d want to be physically violent - or if you’re not it seems like you are - it’s a bit much. He fucked up, it’s fucking annoying but that’s what it is.
Whilst I'm not sure that idiot deserves a thread of his own because it give him the fame that Refs these days crave.
But where's the implying of physical violence? Could just as much imply that the poster would like to meet him to tell him a few home truths about himself.
Physical violence was my assumption, also. He didn't exactly say to Paul that isn't what he meant, which I would have straight away if it wasn't.
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baddowvillans you are very creative and verbose at those early hours in the morning.