Olsen, Disasi and Watkins brilliant.
We’ve finally learnt how to defend
Great result and an industrious clean sheet. I thought Disasi was immense along with Mings, and Digne did really well against Obuemo. Pleased for Olsen, really stepped up and seemed to play through the pain. Special mention to Youri and Unai the wizard. Seeing people talk about not enjoying a match, holding a lead against a club like Brentford.. what’s the point?!
Great result and an industrious clean sheet. I thought Disasi was immense along with Mings, and Digne did really well against Obuemo. Pleased for Olsen, really stepped up and seemed to play through the pain. Special mention to Youri and Unai the wizard. Seeing people talk about not enjoying a match, holding a lead against a club like Brentford.. what’s the point?!
Mings and Disasi just superb
Digne did fantastically against Mbuemo.
A filthy dirty away from home win. We struggled to put together three consecutive passes in last 30 mins and our goal led a charmed life at times. Right back in the mix for top 5 now. I thought Digne did very well on Mbuemo, Disasi was very strong in the tackle, Mings very solid again. Don't think we got much off the bench today though. Tielemans and Rogers running on fumes too and should have been replaced long before the end. Poor old Malen looked really pissed off.Blimey Bronte you've given some rational player ratings there. Are you ok mate? ;)
Olsen 7, Disasi 8, Konsa 6, Mings 8, Digne 8, McGinn 6 (Kamara 5), Tielemans 6, Bailey 4 (Cash 5), Ramsey 7 (Rashford 5), Rogers 5, Watkins 7.
Clean sheet will be huge to the back 4 and Olsen. Really was backs to the wall at times. Disasi brilliant. Still too many poor performers tonight though. Rogers, Ramsey and Bailey especially.
Rashford not exactly busting a gut to shine is he. Bailey was garbage as usual. Rogers needs a fortnight in dubai.
Rashford not exactly busting a gut to shine is he. Bailey was garbage as usual. Rogers needs a fortnight in dubai.
Nice to see you seek the positives from an important win.
Good, gritty win. Staying realistic with Newcastle, Bournemouth and Chelsea with 2 games in hand. Will be a long battle for even conference league.Everything can happen this time of season ; remember Spurs and us battling it out last season - they where unable to get points and we didnt get many either still we got 4th.
Olsen 7, Disasi 8, Konsa 6, Mings 8, Digne 8, McGinn 6 (Kamara 5), Tielemans 6, Bailey 4 (Cash 5), Ramsey 7 (Rashford 5), Rogers 5, Watkins 7.
Good, gritty win. Staying realistic with Newcastle, Bournemouth and Chelsea with 2 games in hand. Will be a long battle for even conference league.Everything can happen this time of season ; remember Spurs and us battling it out last season - they where unable to get points and we didnt get many either still we got 4th.
Rashford didn’t do much when he came on. Kamara produced one bit of filth to entertain everyone.
Great three points but in the first half we attacked them and they hardly had a look in, the second half we defended the lead gave them most of the possession and looked ragged at times. Why do we do this? Disasi MOM, Rashford not sure about him, Mings a captains game.Pure fatigue I think. They were running on fumes 2nd half.
Yes, if we make top 5 with our run-in, we’ll have surely deserved it. UTV
Mings imperious again , he's getting back to 100% . Disasi superb .
Not pretty , not helped by the officials , but a very important 3 points .
Mings MOTM again.
We made really hard work of that. Apparently we have so much fire power up front but you'd never know. Unai has given Bailey all season to play himself back to form and despite it obviously not happening he continues to select him.
We made really hard work of that. Apparently we have so much fire power up front but you'd never know. Unai has given Bailey all season to play himself back to form and despite it obviously not happening he continues to select him.
Rogers is great at driving forward with the ball but so often it ends there. Playground stuff as he tries to beat everybody.
Watkins this season looks mentally exhausted after a long season and summer. He still might finish the season on a high but he's been half the player he was last season. 10 touches first half. He's struggling to get into games and when he does often his technique lets him down.
Ramsey is doing okay but still not the player we loved before his injury.
Rashford is trying to be a team player, some quality assists but still finding his feet.
Melan is the one that has looked like he actually knows what he's doing but Unai for some mad reason doesn't seem to fancy him or at least prefers to stick with his old favourites.
He probably called it right not playing Asensio today due to Brentford being a team of dirty thugs but apart from the first 10 minutes of the second half, we rarely showed signs of raising our game and taking control.
An ugly win is an ugly win, it's a clean sheet and three points thanks in large parts to a strong and determined defence. Hopefully it was a one off and our so called great firepower upfront can up their game. Fourth spot may have gone but 5th is certainly still up for grabs.
Disasi MOTM which is funny as I doubt you'd have found a single Villa fan who would have started him at right back today.
Only watched the last few minutes.
That Nathan Collins tackle should have been a Red
True .Mings imperious again , he's getting back to 100% . Disasi superb .
Not pretty , not helped by the officials , but a very important 3 points .
Mings MOTM again.
The officials could have been a lot more unhelpful.
If we can win Wednesday, going into the break off four straight wins will feel quite a big boost going into the back end of the season.
Rashford not exactly busting a gut to shine is he. Bailey was garbage as usual. Rogers needs a fortnight in dubai.
Nice to see you seek the positives from an important win.
He was absolutely hammering Rashford when we signed him. Pure agenda. Ignore.
A filthy dirty away from home win. We struggled to put together three consecutive passes in last 30 mins and our goal led a charmed life at times. Right back in the mix for top 5 now. I thought Digne did very well on Mbuemo, Disasi was very strong in the tackle, Mings very solid again. Don't think we got much off the bench today though. Tielemans and Rogers running on fumes too and should have been replaced long before the end. Poor old Malen looked really pissed off.Blimey Bronte you've given some rational player ratings there. Are you ok mate? ;)
Olsen 7, Disasi 8, Konsa 6, Mings 8, Digne 8, McGinn 6 (Kamara 5), Tielemans 6, Bailey 4 (Cash 5), Ramsey 7 (Rashford 5), Rogers 5, Watkins 7.
Great three points but in the first half we attacked them and they hardly had a look in, the second half we defended the lead gave them most of the possession and looked ragged at times. Why do we do this? Disasi MOM, Rashford not sure about him, Mings a captains game.
Massive win.
A filthy dirty away from home win. We struggled to put together three consecutive passes in last 30 mins and our goal led a charmed life at times. Right back in the mix for top 5 now. I thought Digne did very well on Mbuemo, Disasi was very strong in the tackle, Mings very solid again. Don't think we got much off the bench today though. Tielemans and Rogers running on fumes too and should have been replaced long before the end. Poor old Malen looked really pissed off.Blimey Bronte you've given some rational player ratings there. Are you ok mate? ;)
Olsen 7, Disasi 8, Konsa 6, Mings 8, Digne 8, McGinn 6 (Kamara 5), Tielemans 6, Bailey 4 (Cash 5), Ramsey 7 (Rashford 5), Rogers 5, Watkins 7.
He didn't leave comments on the ratings though which is a shame as they're always a treat.
Rashford not exactly busting a gut to shine is he. Bailey was garbage as usual. Rogers needs a fortnight in dubai.
Nice to see you seek the positives from an important win.
He was absolutely hammering Rashford when we signed him. Pure agenda. Ignore.
Rashford was poor when he came on. He was hardly involved. We lost all balance in midfield when Ramsey went off. Don't think Rashford is suited to playing on the left of our four. From memory, at his best at Man United he was left of a three and playing on the counter.
Massive win.
Ugly win but we haven't had many of those away in the last 12 months.
What was good was our intensity in the first half and start of second. Miles better than what we've had after majority of CL games.
We won and once more the table looks alright with possibilities.
Wild game from Disasi but loved his passion after some of the blocks. Olsen had his once a season Balon D'or contender match which was huge.
We won and move on to April which will decide our season.
Brentford are still twats. Looking forward to their return to their natural station in a few seasons.And look at this Twat in Chief.
A filthy dirty away from home win. We struggled to put together three consecutive passes in last 30 mins and our goal led a charmed life at times. Right back in the mix for top 5 now. I thought Digne did very well on Mbuemo, Disasi was very strong in the tackle, Mings very solid again. Don't think we got much off the bench today though. Tielemans and Rogers running on fumes too and should have been replaced long before the end. Poor old Malen looked really pissed off.Blimey Bronte you've given some rational player ratings there. Are you ok mate? ;)
Olsen 7, Disasi 8, Konsa 6, Mings 8, Digne 8, McGinn 6 (Kamara 5), Tielemans 6, Bailey 4 (Cash 5), Ramsey 7 (Rashford 5), Rogers 5, Watkins 7.
He didn't leave comments on the ratings though which is a shame as they're always a treat.
The creepy ski instructor. Snowplough snowplough .Brentford are still twats. Looking forward to their return to their natural station in a few seasons.And look at this Twat in Chief.
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Thinking back over the game, Brentford were really quite poor overall. Even with us looking knackered we beat them without much fuss.
Best bit is the Brentford fans moaning about time wasting, karma is a bitch
Digne did fantastically against Mbuemo.
Agreed!
After all the talk regarding the selection, the back four was tremendous, they played a blinder.Was saying this in the match thread. It's bloody impossible to tell for absolute certainty that a player is offside by such a tiny fraction because the technology isn't up to it. The rule states "offside is deemed when the ball is played" There’s never a clear image showing the pass it's always blurry on the still image so how can they possibly be certain which is the correct frame to use? Each frame is about 1/100th of a second. Go forward ONE frame and a player is offside. Go back ONE frame and he's onside. Like I said the still image is always a blur so how can they possibly tell which one is correct? They can't. It's bloody guesswork and it makes me so annoyed to when I see those stupid lines being drawn on the screen I'm no conspiracy theorist but as sure as eggs is eggs scores can be manipulated.
Also this offside rule is shit. How many times has Ollie’s hair on his knee been deemed offside? This rule was never supposed to be so bloody clinical.
Exactly this .After all the talk regarding the selection, the back four was tremendous, they played a blinder.Was saying this in the match thread. It's bloody impossible to tell for absolute certainty that a player is offside by such a tiny fraction because the technology isn't up to it. The rule states "offside is deemed when the ball is played" There’s never a clear image showing the pass it's always blurry on the still image so how can they possibly be certain which is the correframe to use? Each frame is about 1/100th of a second. Go forward ONE frame and a player is offside. Go back ONE frame and he's onside. Like I said the still image is always a blur so how can they possibly tell which one is correct? They can't. It's bloody guesswork and it makes me so annoyed to when I see those stupid lines being drawn on the screen I'm no conspiracy theorists but as sure as eggs is eggs scores can be manipulated.
Also this offside rule is shit. How many times has Ollie’s hair on his knee been deemed offside? This rule was never supposed to be so bloody clinical.
It was offside with the naked eye, IMO. No complaints from me.
Offside is offside regardless of the measurement. The technology isn’t 💯 accurate but it is what it is.Yes it's a guess.
It was offside with the naked eye, IMO. No complaints from me.I haven't actually seen any of today's game. My problem with VAR is more of a general one.
It's not accurate at all , allows them to spin what narrative they want on these incredibly tight ones . If that's your liverpools / ManUres it's a goalOffside is offside regardless of the measurement. The technology isn’t 💯 accurate but it is what it is.Yes it's a guess.
It was offside with the naked eye, IMO. No complaints from me.It wasn't .
The amount of shit decisions that would be made by linos if it went back to how it was would be incredible. You think they're guessing now? What they're guessing on is between 2 frames and what looks most likely as to when the ball is released. Your watching in 24 fps per second, I imagine those deciding are dealing with the same, so between those 2 frames is 0.04 seconds. That guess just isn't making that much of a difference.Really? Have you actually watched them moving the frames trying to decide which one to use? It absolutely does make a difference. Linesmen have to make split second decisions in real time so there's obviously the potential for the occasional error. Sitting in the comfort of a studio watching monitors is totally different. When they bought in VAR in the first place we were told it was there to stop the "clear and obvious errors" How can it be a clear and obvious error when they're manipulating tv frames forward and backwards and come to the conclusion that someone's toenail or nasal hair was offside?
Offside is offside regardless of the measurement. The technology isn’t 💯 accurate but it is what it is.We are where we are.
The amount of shit decisions that would be made by linos if it went back to how it was would be incredible. You think they're guessing now? What they're guessing on is between 2 frames and what looks most likely as to when the ball is released. Your watching in 24 fps per second, I imagine those deciding are dealing with the same, so between those 2 frames is 0.04 seconds. That guess just isn't making that much of a difference.Really? Have you actually watched them moving the frames trying to decide which one to use? It absolutely does make a difference.
I was arguing with some numpty on twitter the other day who didn’t accept the provable fact that Konsa and Mings are our best defensive CB partnership
I'm not claiming they're corrupt but I am saying they can get it wrong. It should only be used to correct clear and obvious errors.The amount of shit decisions that would be made by linos if it went back to how it was would be incredible. You think they're guessing now? What they're guessing on is between 2 frames and what looks most likely as to when the ball is released. Your watching in 24 fps per second, I imagine those deciding are dealing with the same, so between those 2 frames is 0.04 seconds. That guess just isn't making that much of a difference.Really? Have you actually watched them moving the frames trying to decide which one to use? It absolutely does make a difference.
I have seen them do it. Do you think they're thinking, 'I'll move this 0.04 seconds forward to shaft the Villa'? They're just not. And like I said, the level of guessing from actual linesman in real time is infinitely more. Loads of people would be claiming corruption for the big clubs way more than they are now, it would be even less transparent. They would get away with far, far more.
It was offside with the naked eye, IMO. No complaints from me.It wasn't .
After all the talk regarding the selection, the back four was tremendous, they played a blinder.
Also this offside rule is shit. How many times has Ollie’s hair on his knee been deemed offside? This rule was never supposed to be so bloody clinical.
It was offside with the naked eye, IMO. No complaints from me.It wasn't .
The offside rule has become farcical. I have recently seen goals given where 3 players deliberately stand in offside positions, but are deemed not to involved. What is the back line supposed to do?
Then we have body parts putting players running forward ruled offside after extensive VAR deliberations.
Aston Villa.
Away.
Versus Brentford.
Olsen in goal.
But a win, and a clean sheet. What sorcery is this?
It was offside with the naked eye, IMO. No complaints from me.It wasn't .
I thought it was.
It was offside with the naked eye, IMO. No complaints from me.It wasn't .
I thought it was.
It definitely was.
The offside rule has become farcical. I have recently seen goals given where 3 players deliberately stand in offside positions, but are deemed not to involved. What is the back line supposed to do?
Then we have body parts putting players running forward ruled offside after extensive VAR deliberations.
The rule of a player being offside wherever they are on the pitch and whether the ball reached them or didn't hasn't been a rule for almost 30 years now. The only time it might is if the player standing offside deliberately blocks a defender / keeper.
I was arguing with some numpty on twitter the other day who didn’t accept the provable fact that Konsa and Mings are our best defensive CB partnership
Jesus, I didn't realise you'd taken this crusade beyond these shores.
Hiring a billboard on the A34 might mean you don't need to take so much time over it?
I don’t want AI making the decision, I don’t want thicker lines, I don’t want a change that gives the attacker the benefit of the doubt, I dont want a faster frame rate to increase accuracy. I want none of those. I just fucking hate the delay of VAR. I’d accept a Maradona handball, I’d accept an injustice against the Villa in a UCL final. I’d accept all of the things we used to moan about. Just give us back that moment of ecstasy when the ball hits the back of the net. I utterly despise VAR in all its forms.
I don’t want AI making the decision, I don’t want thicker lines, I don’t want a change that gives the attacker the benefit of the doubt, I dont want a faster frame rate to increase accuracy. I want none of those. I just fucking hate the delay of VAR. I’d accept a Maradona handball, I’d accept an injustice against the Villa in a UCL final. I’d accept all of the things we used to moan about. Just give us back that moment of ecstasy when the ball hits the back of the net. I utterly despise VAR in all its forms.
What happened to if you're level your on, or the supposed favour the attacker.He was on anyway when the balls played
It wasn't offside , same as the hairline call at palace . You cannot call these with the lack of technology in a booth and unqualified technicians who don't know how to freeze the frame properly from initial ball contact. It's impossible at 1000 fps. So they just call it as they see fit.
Plenty in the match thread said it's on too.
In your opinion.Plenty in the match thread said it's on too.
They are also wrong
Saw a stat earlier that said we haven't won the league game after a CL game since September.
I was arguing with some numpty on twitter the other day who didn’t accept the provable fact that Konsa and Mings are our best defensive CB partnership
Jesus, I didn't realise you'd taken this crusade beyond these shores.
Hiring a billboard on the A34 might mean you don't need to take so much time over it?
Yes, but if players are in offside positions, what are the back line supposed to do? The ball can cannon off a defender playing an opposing player on. The goal against Norwich yesterday was a case in point.
Saw a stat earlier that said we haven't won the league game after a CL game since September.
3-0 Young boys and then 3-1 v Wolves. The other one we should have won was 2-0 Bologna followed by 1-1 with a last kick of the game equaliser for Bournemouth.
Some on here were staring Brentford hadn't won in 7 so good job they are playing Villa to fix that. I wonder if on their site they were going "Villa haven't won after Champions League matches, bring on Brentford to fix that".
Absolutely mental that we have -4 goal difference and nobody else has a negative goal difference until you get to Everton in 14th.Even more so that while we've won four more than we've lost and have a negative goal difference, Tottenham have lost four more than they have won but have a GD of +14!
I reckon that's pretty much universal unless you support a Liverpool win every week type team.
Oh the opposition have won their last ten games? We're bound to lose.
Oh the opposition have lost their last ten games? We're bound to lose.
Exactly the same when an opposition striker can't stop scoring or is in the middle of a goal drought.
Thanks that's the first time I've seen any of it. Looks like Olsen did really well as did Disasi. I think Ollie looked just off so the right call was probably made in this instance but again it brings us back to when was the exact moment the ball leaves the passers boot because that's the exact moment to judge Ollies position. Great result by the boys and a clean sheet is the icing on the cake.
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Thanks that's the first time I've seen any of it. Looks like Olsen did really well as did Disasi. I think Ollie looked just off so the right call was probably made in this instance but again it brings us back to when was the exact moment the leaves the passers boot because that's the exact moment to judge Ollies position. Great result by the boys and a clean sheet is huge.
Small clip of the players with Olsen at the end and used as the thumbnail.
In your opinion.Plenty in the match thread said it's on too.
They are also wrong
If we finish 5th this season then with the defensive injuries and Champions League fixtures it will have been a bigger achievement than 4th last season.
I don’t want AI making the decision, I don’t want thicker lines, I don’t want a change that gives the attacker the benefit of the doubt, I dont want a faster frame rate to increase accuracy. I want none of those. I just fucking hate the delay of VAR. I’d accept a Maradona handball, I’d accept an injustice against the Villa in a UCL final. I’d accept all of the things we used to moan about. Just give us back that moment of ecstasy when the ball hits the back of the net. I utterly despise VAR in all its forms.
Digne did fantastically against Mbuemo.
Agreed!
He did, solid game.
The drawing of the lines is the problem. The point of VAR was to eliminate human error.
If you need lines then you have gone to another place in attempting to predict marginal calls.
It should be freeze frame, offside or not, if the answer is I can not tell without taking more time and drawing lines then it shouldn’t be given offside.
The drawing of the lines is the problem. The point of VAR was to eliminate human error.Exactly this. It was brought in with the premise of eliminating clear and obvious errors. If you can't be 100% sure it's offside just from the naked eye the goal stands. What they have done has opened up a can of worms by trying to be precise to the nth degree when the technology just isn't up to it.
If you need lines then you have gone to another place in attempting to predict marginal calls.
It should be freeze frame, offside or not, if the answer is I can not tell without taking more time and drawing lines then it shouldn’t be given offside.
The drawing of the lines is the problem. The point of VAR was to eliminate human error.
If you need lines then you have gone to another place in attempting to predict marginal calls.
It should be freeze frame, offside or not, if the answer is I can not tell without taking more time and drawing lines then it shouldn’t be given offside.
Surely the semi-automated tech was supposed to end all this nonsense? Was it not used for the last round of the FA cup, then carrying on for the rest of the season in the league?The drawing of the lines is the problem. The point of VAR was to eliminate human error.
If you need lines then you have gone to another place in attempting to predict marginal calls.
It should be freeze frame, offside or not, if the answer is I can not tell without taking more time and drawing lines then it shouldn’t be given offside.
Couldn't agree more.
Strong bench yesterday. When Onana, Barkley and Asensio is back you have to winder who will not get in the match day squad.
Strong bench yesterday. When Onana, Barkley and Asensio is back you have to winder who will not get in the match day squad.
We hardly need two right backs so Garcia would be one. Malen unfortunately another and maybe Bogarde. That said what has Onana done in a Villa shirt to warrant a place on the bench?
It was offside with the naked eye, IMO. No complaints from me.
I thought he was off but the lines were further apart then I expected - I do think the technology and law isn’t really designed for this level of scrutiny the spirit v the reality.It was offside with the naked eye, IMO. No complaints from me.
Same here, as soon as the still came up I thought it would be chalked off, although there was a moment of doubt when you realised the camera angle was much higher and further forward. But no complaints, you are off or on.
The change in formation in the second half invited a lot of pressure. We defended well against it (Disasi in particular was outstanding) but we need to bin it as a tactic.
That filthy challenge from Collins on Youri T deserved a red. Just saw it again, jeez.
It sometimes feels like Emery has been using league matches this season to work through stuff that will stand us in good stead in Europe. Like tweaking tactics to put the defence under pressure to see if they can close down a game.
A crazy notion but hey, it’s how I’m coping with the stress of watching these matches.
It sometimes feels like Emery has been using league matches this season to work through stuff that will stand us in good stead in Europe. Like tweaking tactics to put the defence under pressure to see if they can close down a game.
A crazy notion but hey, it’s how I’m coping with the stress of watching these matches.
One off the players said they’re barely training at the moment so there’s a chance this is true.
Given the purpose of having the offside rule in the game, and the manner in which VAR is sucking away the spontaneous joy of celebrating a goal, on offsides such as the one last night, and the one v Palace, I think it would be good to now change the offside rule, so that a player would only be offside if the whole of his body is in front of the last defender.
Given the purpose of having the offside rule in the game, and the manner in which VAR is sucking away the spontaneous joy of celebrating a goal, on offsides such as the one last night, and the one v Palace, I think it would be good to now change the offside rule, so that a player would only be offside if the whole of his body is in front of the last defender.
Scrap VAR and we can moan about Manchester United and the Liverpool's of this world get there mate in black giving them every dubious decision and then moan about why we don't have VAR
And the twat was moaning his was hard done by , by getting a yellow. A cowards tackle favoured by Ben Mee.
Just scrap the lines all together and get rid of freeze frames. Watch the replay as many times ans needed and let your eyes make a decision. If the referees make a decision, they’re protected. If they send it to Stockley Park, they’re protected. If they go to the monitor, they’re protected. It’s insane.. all in the spirit of “getting it right”. Put your neck out there and make a call. Enough with the safety blanket and pseudo-accountability.
But they still went to lines if it wasn’t conclusive.Surely the semi-automated tech was supposed to end all this nonsense? Was it not used for the last round of the FA cup, then carrying on for the rest of the season in the league?The drawing of the lines is the problem. The point of VAR was to eliminate human error.
If you need lines then you have gone to another place in attempting to predict marginal calls.
It should be freeze frame, offside or not, if the answer is I can not tell without taking more time and drawing lines then it shouldn’t be given offside.
Couldn't agree more.
Like handball, offside is a law that those refereeing and regulating the game have completely forgotten why it was introduced and what’s its purpose was and is.
We now have VAR scrutinising and analysing decisions to the nth degree and with no sense as to what the game is supposed to be and why laws to control it exist.
There'd be plenty kicking up more of a fuss about it if the goal had been the crucial one and cost us two points , as it stands it didn't matter so some may adopt a laissez faire stance on this one.
There'd be plenty kicking up more of a fuss about it if the goal had been the crucial one and cost us two points , as it stands it didn't matter so some may adopt a laissez faire stance on this one.
I expect more ire would have been aimed at the Watkins miss then at VAR giving a binary decision.
He's onside . It's a terrible call .There'd be plenty kicking up more of a fuss about it if the goal had been the crucial one and cost us two points , as it stands it didn't matter so some may adopt a laissez faire stance on this one.
I expect more ire would have been aimed at the Watkins miss then at VAR giving a binary decision.
It's not binary though as they often can't freeze the picture the exact moment the ball is touched. I've looked at the still from last night and the ball has clearly already left the foot of the player playing it through to Watkins. Therefore, the freeze frame they are making a decision on isn't the correct one.
Genuine question. At what point do they judge that a pass has been made? Is it at the first contact with the ball or is it at the point where the ball actually loses contact with the players boot?There'd be plenty kicking up more of a fuss about it if the goal had been the crucial one and cost us two points , as it stands it didn't matter so some may adopt a laissez faire stance on this one.
I expect more ire would have been aimed at the Watkins miss then at VAR giving a binary decision.
It's not binary though as they often can't freeze the picture the exact moment the ball is touched. I've looked at the still from last night and the ball has clearly already left the foot of the player playing it through to Watkins. Therefore, the freeze frame they are making a decision on isn't the correct one.
Genuine question. At what point do they judge that a pass has been made? Is it at the first contact with the ball or is it at the point where the ball actually loses contact with the players boot?There'd be plenty kicking up more of a fuss about it if the goal had been the crucial one and cost us two points , as it stands it didn't matter so some may adopt a laissez faire stance on this one.
I expect more ire would have been aimed at the Watkins miss then at VAR giving a binary decision.
It's not binary though as they often can't freeze the picture the exact moment the ball is touched. I've looked at the still from last night and the ball has clearly already left the foot of the player playing it through to Watkins. Therefore, the freeze frame they are making a decision on isn't the correct one.
Genuine question. At what point do they judge that a pass has been made? Is it at the first contact with the ball or is it at the point where the ball actually loses contact with the players boot?There'd be plenty kicking up more of a fuss about it if the goal had been the crucial one and cost us two points , as it stands it didn't matter so some may adopt a laissez faire stance on this one.
I expect more ire would have been aimed at the Watkins miss then at VAR giving a binary decision.
It's not binary though as they often can't freeze the picture the exact moment the ball is touched. I've looked at the still from last night and the ball has clearly already left the foot of the player playing it through to Watkins. Therefore, the freeze frame they are making a decision on isn't the correct one.
Yes.
Not sure how you can confirm it left the foot on the frame they had frozen it on from the angles shown and the distance. I will point out that the BBC freeze frame and the VAR one is not the same thing. But, just for you and others, This is before the pass from Ramsey, his passing leg is still in the back position AND Watkins is still offside as it was called on all their planted legs. (Far defender hadn't planted yet, but that was the one they used for the call so makes no difference).
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The system is as is and I much prefer it to the shite shown the other month with a Manure player who was obviously offside by 2 feet scoring a winning goal.
It should surely be from the millisecond the boot makes initial contact with the ball as that is where the intent begins. Of course these clowns in the retail park make it up as they go along and first check is club badge then they go from there.
So when Ratface stamped on Konsas foot in front of the Holte End then threw himself on the ground to win a penalty for Yanited you were ok with that?The system is as is and I much prefer it to the shite shown the other month with a Manure player who was obviously offside by 2 feet scoring a winning goal.
I respectfully disagree. It has really altered the viewing experience to the point that I despise VAR in its entirety. By all means use technology but if it’s not instant (or as instant as a lino raising a flag) then it isn’t good enough. I just don’t care about the odd miscarriage of justice.