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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on February 05, 2025, 11:11:35 PM
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Fast forward to end of season. How do you think we'll rate the success of the loan signings.
I'll start.
1. Asensio
2. Disasi
3. Rashford
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1 Asensio
2 Rashford
3 Disasi
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1 Rashford
2 Disasi
3 Asensio
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1. Rashford
2. Disasi
3. Asensio
I have a feeling Asensio could go a bit Zaniolo.
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1. Disasi
2. Asensio
3. Rashford
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1. Rashford
2. Asensio
3. Disasi
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House!
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Disasi
Rashford
Asensio
Chelsea fans reckon Disasi was decent when not at right back. We don't play centre backs out of position....think he might surprise us.
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We don't play centre backs out of position....
🤔uhh
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1. Rashford
2. Disasi
3. Asensio
I have a feeling Asensio could go a bit Zaniolo.
I think Monty is still willing Nicò to thundercvnt one into the top corner off the stanchion at the Holte End.
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Fuck, has the Footy conglomerate hacked Paulie’s account?
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Disasi
Rashford
Asensio
Same
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Disasi
Rashford
Asensio
Same
Same again.
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Disasi
Rashford
Asensio
Same
Same again.
Me too.
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Rashford
Disasi
Asensio
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To add a bit of reasoning, we're currently scoring on average a couple of goals per game, but conceding too many. I don't think Rashford suddenly means we start scoring three or four per game, but the additional of Disasi could well be the thing makes us concede fewer. But even just making the defence *look* a bit stronger means at the end of the season I think / hope we might see it as first half shaky defence / second half stronger defence and Disasi will be credited with that.
On Asensio, I dislike being possibly the lone pessimist but as I said when he was linked - I think people will be disappointed. There's a decent tradition of young players looking half decent in La Liga and the Spanish national team, moving to PSG, not doing very well at PSG and being punted out to not-very-good Premier League teams where they spend most of their time on the bench.
I don't really see what Asensio does for us that Pablo Sarabia doesn't do for Wolves and Carlos Soler doesn't do for West Ham. Their records prior to coming to England are remarkably similar to each other, apart from Asensio's extra medals.
And I reckon if Soler had come through the Real Madrid youth team rather than the Valencia youth team, it could well have been him with three Champions League medals instead of Asensio having them.
Obviously though I hope that people are quoting this back to me in May and laughing in my face at how stupid I was.
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Disasi is the safest bet but Rashford and Asensio have the greater potential. Their ability is unquestionable, but their motivation to succeed again if they consider they’re stepping down has still to be established.
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Really exciting with the potential of these two players. I've always thought Rashford is a pain in the arse to play against with his pace, size and ability. Asensio I know less about but has some pedigree and an excellent CV. Really looking forward to the rest of the season and hoping that we have them with us next season too if they do well. Disasi fills a huge gap and gives Konsa competition that is long overdue. I have a feeling that Unai has got fed up with the likes of Bailey and others and has really pushed the boat out to get these three players in. I am sure that Garcia and Malen will prove good purchases.
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I think it is more critical that Disasi works out considering our defensive problems at and Konsas form.
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One of them is nailed on to be at least disappointing, so which one?
Rashford is the one I'm most excited about so it's bound to be him, although all he's got to do is not be as shit as Bailey and the effect of playing with 11 men on the pitch will be vivid.
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One of them is nailed on to be at least disappointing, so which one?
Rashford is the one I'm most excited about so it's bound to be him, although all he's got to do is not be as shit as Bailey and the effect of playing with 11 men on the pitch will be vivid.
i really hope he starts well, pretty sure his confidence needs lifting.
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One of them is nailed on to be at least disappointing, so which one?
Rashford is the one I'm most excited about so it's bound to be him, although all he's got to do is not be as shit as Bailey and the effect of playing with 11 men on the pitch will be vivid.
i really hope he starts well, pretty sure his confidence needs lifting.
That's my take too. If he can get a goal or an assist, or even just a very lively debut that leaves people impressed, I think he could fly the second half of the season.
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To add a bit of reasoning, we're currently scoring on average a couple of goals per game, but conceding too many. I don't think Rashford suddenly means we start scoring three or four per game, but the additional of Disasi could well be the thing makes us concede fewer. But even just making the defence *look* a bit stronger means at the end of the season I think / hope we might see it as first half shaky defence / second half stronger defence and Disasi will be credited with that.
On Asensio, I dislike being possibly the lone pessimist but as I said when he was linked - I think people will be disappointed. There's a decent tradition of young players looking half decent in La Liga and the Spanish national team, moving to PSG, not doing very well at PSG and being punted out to not-very-good Premier League teams where they spend most of their time on the bench.
I don't really see what Asensio does for us that Pablo Sarabia doesn't do for Wolves and Carlos Soler doesn't do for West Ham. Their records prior to coming to England are remarkably similar to each other, apart from Asensio's extra medals.
And I reckon if Soler had come through the Real Madrid youth team rather than the Valencia youth team, it could well have been him with three Champions League medals instead of Asensio having them.
Obviously though I hope that people are quoting this back to me in May and laughing in my face at how stupid I was.
I'm a bit similar on Asensio. Always thought he was a bit overrated even in his Real Madrid days. Top teams can carry a couple of players and I always thought he fell into that camp. ACL done at Real and some injuries since at PSG too, think it's a stretch that he will have the mobility to do that job on the right for us.
But...Bailey has been so bad this season that Asensio is maybe under less pressure than the other two. All he has to do is be decent early on in that role and see where confidence/match fitness takes him. Scoring a banger or two would help!
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I'm a bit similar to Asensio.
You're a handsome bastid as well?
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I'm a bit similar to Asensio.
You're a handsome bastid as well?
No, I wouldn't make our team!
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One of them is nailed on to be at least disappointing, so which one?
Rashford is the one I'm most excited about so it's bound to be him, although all he's got to do is not be as shit as Bailey and the effect of playing with 11 men on the pitch will be vivid.
Me too. I want him to rip up the league and cups like no other. Not to be as shit as Bailey currently is, isn't a big ask.
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Add me to the 'Really excited about Rashford' camp. Emery seems the perfect manager for him to me. If he can get him back to his 20-goals-a-season-form with us, he'll be an absolute steal at £40m.
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I was quite impressed by Disasi's intertview on Pravda, he spoke just about his enjoyment of the game and his desire to play. Doesn't strile me as a bloke who's turning up to VP to pick up his pay cheque.
On that basis I reckon:
Disasi
Rashford
Asensio
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1.Sensi
2. Dizzi
3. Rashers
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Remember when you used to be a rascal.
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Disasi
Rashford
Ascension Descencion
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I'd like to flip this topic ever so slightly. What would a 'good' loan look like for each of them?
We have between 17 ands 27 games left this season (depending on how we go in the cup and europe) so what would we be looking at to think they were worth trying to extend the loan/sign permanently?
For Asensio his record is an assist roughly 1 in 5 and a goal slightly better at about 1 in 4.5. so 3-5 assists and 4-6 goals seems like it would be him meeting his expectations. There's also appearances to consider given his injury record so starting maybe 2/3rds of the games?
For Rashford goals is 1 in 3 and assists is about 1 in 6 so applying the same logic 6-9 goals and 3-4 assists. I'd also expect him to start more and be close to starting every game.
Defenders are harder to have targets for but I'd hope Disasi can contribute to a few clean sheets and certainly help get the goals conceded record down from the 1.5 a game it is now.
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I'd like at least one absolute shitpinger each from Rashford and Asensio after the disappointment of Zaniolo.
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I'd like at least one absolute shitpinger each from Rashford and Asensio after the disappointment of Zaniolo.
Definitely for Asensio, he has a record for them.
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I'd like at least one absolute shitpinger each from Rashford and Asensio after the disappointment of Zaniolo.
And to replace that bit of Duran's arsenal that we're now missing.
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Shitpinger. That’s an even better swear word than wankmule.
I doff my shitpinging wankmuling hat to you, sire.
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Shitpinger. That’s an even better swear word than wankmule.
I doff my shitpinging wankmuling hat to you, sire.
There is so much in this post that I disagree with I'm just going to stop typing.
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I'd like at least one absolute shitpinger each from Rashford and Asensio after the disappointment of Zaniolo.
Up until the day he left I was convinced Zaniolo was going to crack that shitpinger in, followed by a Tardelliesque celebration. The mantle of hope is passed on to Asensio.
Go on my son
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Shitpinger. That’s an even better swear word than wankmule.
I doff my shitpinging wankmuling hat to you, sire.
There is so much in this post that I disagree with I'm just going to stop typing.
I was waiting for you to say something!
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One of them popping at at the far post to nod in the winner in the UCL Final would do best.
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I’ve seen a few comments suggesting Rashford could get 6 or 7 goals and half a dozen assists for us.
He is eligible for 13 league games. Add the 3 cup games we will definitely play, makes 16. If he has a dozen or so goal contributions I’ll be staggered.
Please let it happen!🙏
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I’ve seen a few comments suggesting Rashford could get 6 or 7 goals and half a dozen assists for us.
He is eligible for 13 league games. Add the 3 cup games we will definitely play, makes 16. If he has a dozen or so goal contributions I’ll be staggered.
Please let it happen!🙏
If a dozen is regarded as 6 in football then Rashy half way there as he has 3 goal contributions so far.
I always see it as 12 though.
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Fast forward to end of season. How do you think we'll rate the success of the loan signings.
I'll start.
1. Asensio
2. Disasi
3. Rashford
Asensio is number 1 so far being a match winner and our new penalty taker has quite the impact.
The performances of all 3 of them have been at times very impressive but not for whole of time they have been on the pitch every game they have been involved in.
That's understandable as they are all getting match fitness and learning football . I think as we go on they will all just keep getting better and contribute in strong ways.
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Fast forward to end of season. How do you think we'll rate the success of the loan signings.
I'll start.
1. Asensio
2. Disasi
3. Rashford
You were right and its looking that way.
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Disasi pushing for number one spot now!
what a performance other night.
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It's a nice try, and not too far off, but not a full snookering of the threads, Footy.
(https://i.ibb.co/cc9Pjmk8/snooker.png) (https://ibb.co/cc9Pjmk8)
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I just wanted to comment on several things on several places. I’m open to suggestions especially during this period up to easter on how I can not annoy . Apologies if needs be as I was only musing and opening debate .
UTV!
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I just wanted to comment on several things on several places. I’m open to suggestions especially during this period up to easter on how I can not annoy . Apologies if needs be as I was only musing and opening debate .
UTV!
Cheers, pal. Maybe a bit too early to tell on the three amigos. Mixed I would say so far but to be expected.
Garcia looks a real find, more for next season but a level above KN it seems.
Malen seems the odd man out of the Jan signings and has been unlucky not to get more minutes. He would surely have started at Cardiff if fit and well, should have come on much sooner v Brentford and no run at all at Palace was very strange.
Dont think he would have been signed if we knew Asensio and Rashford were coming a week later.
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Was Malen ill for the Palace game, despite being on the bench?
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Bravo to all 3 !
Rashford - assisting goals and contributions for the team . Earned and england call up
Asensio - 7 goals in 8 matches - absolutely wonderful as I suspected everyone adores him.
Disasi - Player of the match at Brentford , likely to start at PSG given he was rested , on yellow card , and only played few minutes
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Marcus Rashford overtakes Asensio after yesterday!
He’s joined the party of 3 now on who is best signing .
Having watched the match on a re run this morning I felt Asensio was not so involved and Rashford took the penalty as he was having the better game.
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Asensio was quiet yesterday, but is still a country mile ahead of Rashford on his contribution since arriving.
My wild unsubstantiated guess is we would fund all 3 signings with the sale of Cash (sadly, IMO), Digne (high wages), & one of Ramsey or Bailey. I hope the latter, but fear the former given he'll count on the FFP balance.
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With how long Bailey has been here, I don't think there will be that much difference now on FFP, sale value might make the difference though.
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Too early to say for any of them , but they are all bringing good stuff to the table .
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Asensio and Rashy scoring tonight …. super stars the both of them!
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All 3 of them equally - in different ways
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Being able to bring someone like Disasi on for the last 10 mins to shore things up is a real luxury.
Probably our best window ever.
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In all my years going down there I've never seen anyone with the combination of positioning, reading of the game, first touch and finishing who is better than Asensio. Rashford and Disasi have been great and have fitted in seamlessly, and Rashford has given us the benefit of being able to rest an overworked Ollie. Basically swapping Philogene for Malen was genius. We are a different animal since the January window.
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The difference with players like Asensio and Malen is the absolute precision when they take aim. They are the sort of top end players we have lacked in recent history.
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Where are we in this debate ?
Asensio I see is only one starting matches but no end product ever since he missed those two penalties in one game.
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Thread snooker for breakfast.
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Four weeks is a long time in football! Rashford got injured just when he was starting to show his best football competing with Watkins as a 9. Asensio's form has collapsed of late and Disasi will be remembered for his struggles at RB. Don't think we will be signing any of them at this rate.
Malen looks to be a fine addition though. Capable of playing across the forward line..
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Four weeks is a long time in football! Rashford got injured just when he was starting to show his best football competing with Watkins as a 9. Asensio's form has collapsed of late and Disasi will be remembered for his struggles at RB. Don't think we will be signing any of them at this rate.
Malen looks to be a fine addition though. Capable of playing across the forward line..
I mentioned at the time that his goal scoring was unnaturally high for him with him tying his best ever season when combining PSG and us. But it is also telling that he got most of his goals with players on the wings beating a man and then playing it back to the pen spot with him running in, and I don't remember that happening with him on the pitch recently.
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The only chance like that he's had recently was the one he fluffed against Newcastle. Rashford wide left was a fat better creative outlet than Rashford down the middle. McGinn or Rogers don't give you that threat, and Asensio has suffered not having natural wide players.
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The only chance like that he's had recently was the one he fluffed against Newcastle. Rashford wide left was a fat better creative outlet than Rashford down the middle. McGinn or Rogers don't give you that threat, and Asensio has suffered not having natural wide players.
Think he had one in a similar spot at PSG that narrowly deflected wide too. Again from same spot.
An attacking player can't solely rely on cutbacks to the penalty spot from others. Fulham the last day was a kind of fill your boots day for attacking players. At least Watkins and Malen got into the right positions. Tielemans, Rogers and even Matty Cash delivered great balls. I can't remember Asensio doing anything really. In his favourite position too.
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Four weeks is a long time in football! Rashford got injured just when he was starting to show his best football competing with Watkins as a 9. Asensio's form has collapsed of late and Disasi will be remembered for his struggles at RB. Don't think we will be signing any of them at this rate.
Malen looks to be a fine addition though. Capable of playing across the forward line..
I mentioned at the time that his goal scoring was unnaturally high for him with him tying his best ever season when combining PSG and us. But it is also telling that he got most of his goals with players on the wings beating a man and then playing it back to the pen spot with him running in, and I don't remember that happening with him on the pitch recently.
Yep, he's at his best taking the ball in space due, playing a creative pass for a player around him and moving into space for the return. He's never going to be a "pick it up, beat three men and launch one" type of player for us. I like that he's different to Rogers, it gives us options to do things slightly differently if plan A isn't working. What I don't particularly like is Rogers playing out of position to accommodate him.
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Overall the 3 signings have worked and helped us go far in the FA Cup and Champions League . Don't think we will sign any of them though .
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The only chance like that he's had recently was the one he fluffed against Newcastle. Rashford wide left was a fat better creative outlet than Rashford down the middle. McGinn or Rogers don't give you that threat, and Asensio has suffered not having natural wide players.
Think he had one in a similar spot at PSG that narrowly deflected wide too. Again from same spot.
An attacking player can't solely rely on cutbacks to the penalty spot from others. Fulham the last day was a kind of fill your boots day for attacking players. At least Watkins and Malen got into the right positions. Tielemans, Rogers and even Matty Cash delivered great balls. I can't remember Asensio doing anything really. In his favourite position too.
One of those that the runs were there but different balls were played. His run and brilliant pass from McGinn setup the corner for the first goal. Cash's best ball fell to Watkins. Asensio was the brunt of Konsa's outburst when he lost it in the Fulham half though, the one when Emery was really apoplectic at someone. Not sure whether Konsa felt Asensio didn't call or something, or just Konsa's normal blaming the nearest other player for his fuck-up though.
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I also think he's perfect to be a sub and change a game. Which he's likely not going to want, but it gives him chance to see the spaces.
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Overall the 3 signings have worked and helped us go far in the FA Cup and Champions League . Don't think we will sign any of them though .
I think that’s a pretty good summary which I’d agree with.
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The only chance like that he's had recently was the one he fluffed against Newcastle. Rashford wide left was a fat better creative outlet than Rashford down the middle. McGinn or Rogers don't give you that threat, and Asensio has suffered not having natural wide players.
Like Gabby, then?
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Malen will miss as many sitters as Ollie next season and you'll be wanting to ditch him by Christmas.
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Malen will miss as many sitters as Ollie next season and you'll be wanting to ditch him by Christmas.
If Malen is in the position to do so (I.e., he is our number one striker) then something has gone wrong.
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Malen will miss as many sitters as Ollie next season and you'll be wanting to ditch him by Christmas.
If Malen is in the position to do so (I.e., he is our number one striker) then something has gone wrong.
Not sure I agree with that at all, UE has a proven track record of making strikers much, much better. Malen already looks a talent and a fine finisher. UE will take him up to a higher level.
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Overall the 3 signings have worked and helped us go far in the FA Cup and Champions League . Don't think we will sign any of them though .
I think that’s a pretty good summary which I’d agree with.
I agree with BNS.
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Agreed, subject to where we finish. I still reckon if we finish top five then Rashford is joining us, and probably Asensio too.
If we don't, then the numbers clearly just don't work.
Disasi just seems to have been a bit mis-used, and if we saw him as our long-term DC replacement he'd have been given a bit more time playing there.
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Disasi just seems to have been a bit mis-used, and if we saw him as our long-term DC replacement he'd have been given a bit more time playing there.
Yup, we clearly tried quite hard to get him in and he's done little wrong at CB when given a chance. I'm a little surprised that he's not played more often when Maatsen has started, with EK pushed out to RB.
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Disasi just seems to have been a bit mis-used, and if we saw him as our long-term DC replacement he'd have been given a bit more time playing there.
Yup, we clearly tried quite hard to get him in and he's done little wrong at CB when given a chance. I'm a little surprised that he's not played more often when Maatsen has started, with EK pushed out to RB.
I think he was (quite rightly) brought in as cover for Mings who was only just back from a very long term injury, and Pau who was out for "a couple of months" with his foot injury. We were very light in central defence at the time, and absolutely needed someone in there. He might only have a handful of appearances, but without him, our defence would have been VERY makeshift indeed.
The fact is, with Ty and Pau both back fit, and Konsa remaining injury-free, he's not likely to get many starts. If they'd all been fit in January, we probably wouldn't have loaned him. He's a pretty good option to have as a fourth centre-back, but I don't see him being signed permanently unless one of the others is going out - not because we wouldn't want him, but I don't think he'll want to swap a matchday place in Chelsea's stands for (at best) a place on our bench.
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Yeah. Obviously we don't see training, but it just seems very odd that Konsa was often pushed out to RB to accommodate Diego Carlos then when he is sold and Disasi brought in as a replacement, Disasi is then pushed out to RB to accommodate Konsa.
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I wouldn't sign any of them permanently
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Malen will miss as many sitters as Ollie next season and you'll be wanting to ditch him by Christmas.
If Malen is in the position to do so (I.e., he is our number one striker) then something has gone wrong.
He can play across the front line, granted his work rate off the ball needs improvement. Good signing, far more about him than Philogene.
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I wouldn't sign any of them permanently
Same
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I'd sign Disasi if he was reasonably priced, and play him at centre-half. I'd be happy enough to take another loan deal on either or both of the other two, but huge wages plus transfer fee would be too much, IMO.
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I'd sign Disasi if he was reasonably priced, and play him at centre-half. I'd be happy enough to take another loan deal on either or both of the other two, but huge wages plus transfer fee would be too much, IMO.
He might be more likely if we're up for some kind of PSR hokey-cokey with Chelsea again.
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Yeah, seems feasible.
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I'd sign Disasi if he was reasonably priced, and play him at centre-half. I'd be happy enough to take another loan deal on either or both of the other two, but huge wages plus transfer fee would be too much, IMO.
He might be more likely if we're up for some kind of PSR hokey-cokey with Chelsea again.
Aye, but he's only been there a year hasn't he? After a pretty hefty transfer fee.
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Two years now.
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Not sure on Disasi . He's a good player for sure but seems a bit muscle bound/slow in tight areas and his last minute lunging tackles whilst they look fantastic when they come off against quick top players he will lose out and give away pens/fouls .
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I still don't think Marcus Rashford did quite enough to sign him permanently, but there is a quality player in there somewhere that Unai Emery will unleash. Not going to happen because of the wages but I'd like to sign him.
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I'd sign Disasi if he was reasonably priced, and play him at centre-half. I'd be happy enough to take another loan deal on either or both of the other two, but huge wages plus transfer fee would be too much, IMO.
I thought Emery would have used Desasi a lot more with Konsa at RB, it does make us much more solid, but for some reason he is out of favour.
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Get Champs League think we sign both Rashford/Disasi, I think Emery maybe isn’t convinced by Asensio.
Europa League - Disasi only.
Conf League - None of them.
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Surely if he isn't convinced by someone, it's Disasi, no? He doesn't play ahead of Konsa or Cash often at all.
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Disasi is this years Lenglet, someone we got in on loan to cover a specific need. Not someone we want full time.
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Disasi is unfortunate he didn't get more chances to play at RCB.
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Disasi is unfortunate he didn't get more chances to play at RCB.
Yes his added physicality might be the match Torres needs next to him.
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Disasi is unfortunate he didn't get more chances to play at RCB.
Yes his added physicality might be the match Torres needs next to him.
Maybe, though not sure he's the quickest and that wouldn't be good next to Torres. At least Konsa is quick on the turn
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Disasi is unfortunate he didn't get more chances to play at RCB.
Yes his added physicality might be the match Torres needs next to him.
Maybe, though not sure he's the quickest and that wouldn't be good next to Torres. At least Konsa is quick on the turn
Not on the turn but a decent burst of pace from what I have seen.
I thought he played well at CB, not a RB and no idea why Emery thinks/ thought he is /was.
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I'd sign Disasi if he was reasonably priced, and play him at centre-half. I'd be happy enough to take another loan deal on either or both of the other two, but huge wages plus transfer fee would be too much, IMO.
I thought Emery would have used Desasi a lot more with Konsa at RB, it does make us much more solid, but for some reason he is out of favour.
When we signed Disasi, Mings had been out for a year and a half and we were getting a defender injured literally every game. He probably, quite reasonably, didn't expect Mings to be as good as he has, and also wouldn't have anticipated that we would undergo our best period without a defensive injury in years. Touch wood, fingers crossed, etc.
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Disasi is unfortunate he didn't get more chances to play at RCB.
Yes his added physicality might be the match Torres needs next to him.
Maybe, though not sure he's the quickest and that wouldn't be good next to Torres. At least Konsa is quick on the turn
Not on the turn but a decent burst of pace from what I have seen.
I thought he played well at CB, not a RB and no idea why Emery thinks/ thought he is /was.
What games did he play at CB? Palace he had a shocker but I'd give him a pass in that mess of a setup Emery went with that night. Forest not great and stupidly got moved to RB at half time. Liverpool he did ok? Not much of a chance really.
He got motm at RB at Brentford, backs to the wall job but absolutely not his position as seen afterwards.