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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on January 29, 2025, 10:03:01 PM
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That was alright.
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Can the groundsmen sort the pitch out, Rogers also slipped for the 4th.
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Up the fucking Villa!
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Never in doubt.
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Mad game of football.
Some brilliant stuff going forward at times. Should have had 7 or 8 really.
Need defenders in asap.
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Wild game.
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So much to pick apart from that but for now, time to enjoy a massive achievement. UTV
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Barn burner of a game. Brilliant football at times, dreadful phase after Ollie’s first miss but SJM improved immeasurably in the second half.
Some poor misses from Ollie, but kept going and going and ultimately won us the game. Brilliant from Rogers too.
Bailey looked so much better in the second half.
Top 8 brilliant achievement.
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Don't care about anything, other than we are in the Champions League last 16. Three rounds away. You never ever know.
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Must have been brilliant for the neutral
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First time we have scored 4 this season, which just seems odd compared to last season.
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It was alright I suppose.
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We played some great football at times. Thought Rogers was brilliant - though for me Ramsey was Man of the Match - best hes played in 18 months (albeit that he hasnt played much). Keeping him fit is essential. Ollie was a threat and could easily have had a hatrick.
McGinn grew into it - but we could do with having some defenders and midflelders.
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Brilliant. Really entertaining game, and a good performance overall.
Glad the arseholes singing about the pub bombings are going home unhappy.
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What a fucking roller coaster that was. That will go down as one of our most memorable games.
So proud of the boys. They didnt crumble like the villa of old . Did the job and were professional. To be honest 4-2 flatters celtic. We battered them 2nd half.
Kamara motm.
Thought ollie worked hard too. We probably will be very flat saturday as that game will take alot out of us
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More importantly, how much dollar we made?
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Last 16 and massive game to look forward to.
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Thought we were done at half time but delighted to be wrong
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Rodgers a 10, Konsa and Kamara a 9. Tileman's and McGinn miles better in the second half. Watkins went from 4 to a 9 and the back to a 4 and then 9 again, what a bloke. Duran is definitely off.
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Is it all of France or Benfica in the last 16? Emi will be pleased.
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Super Villa go ballistic celtic are atrocious
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what a game for the neutral
to us , typical Villa . some great football at times and could have easily won 8 -2
get the back 4 settled and we will be ok
two less games :)
amazing achievement to finish 8
dortmund , atalanta , sporting and bruge ? tasty
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What a brilliant match. Hated every bit of it.
The most Watkins performance ever. Absolutely brilliant, 2 assists, 1 goal, should have scored 5, the pitch disintegrating when he takes a penalty. He’s all the chaos we need. Morgan Rogers was unplayable. A year ago he was playing for Middlesbrough, today he bagged a hat trick in the Champions League, playing like R9.
We even found time to sell Duran at half time.
What a fucking time to be alive!
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More importantly, how much dollar we made?
This is Percy's arena.
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We played some great football at times. Thought Rogers was brilliant - though for me Ramsey was Man of the Match - best hes played in 18 months (albeit that he hasnt played much). Keeping him fit is essential. Ollie was a threat and could easily have had a hatrick.
McGinn grew into it - but we could do with having some defenders and midflelders.
Agreed, Ramsey was superb, Rogers and Ollie not far behind. I'd also say Kamara and Bogarde both had really good games other than that 4-5minute spel lwhere things fell apart in the first half.
Overall i thought we were excellent going forward, 6-7 wouldn't have flattered us. Defensively I thought we were dominant other than the 5-10minutes after Cash went off and we looked like we were having to reorganise mid-game. After halftime there was only 1 team in it and all that was really left to decide was how many we'd win by.
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Not doubt at all.
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oh man city v real or munich someone decent out
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Fuck the BBC though.
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ramsey was excellent so glad he is back
and loved this format , sure we will be in it again.
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What a brilliant match. Hated every bit of it.
The most Watkins performance ever. Absolutely brilliant, 2 assists, 1 goal, should have scored 5, the pitch disintegrating when he takes a penalty. He’s all the chaos we need. Morgan Rogers was unplayable. A year ago he was playing for Middlesbrough, today he bagged a hat trick in the Champions League, playing like R9.
We even found time to sell Duran at half time.
What a fucking time to be alive!
Got any sniff left?
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More importantly, how much dollar we made?
Many dollar.
Emoluments coming in left, right and centre.
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That was closer than it should have been. Should have scored 10.
Glad to be top 8 though.
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Deserves a mention that we should some heart the way we dominated that second half after those disasterous few mins at the end of the first half.
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Fuck the BBC though.
Exactly my thoughts after seeing that headline.
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Villa, Villa, Villa, why do you make us suffer so? Well done Morgan & Ollie!
At least we might have a half-decent team against Spurs in the Cup game now that we don't need the play-offs!
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Fuck the BBC though.
I'm cancelling my TV licence over that. Fuck 'em.
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What a brilliant match. Hated every bit of it.
The most Watkins performance ever. Absolutely brilliant, 2 assists, 1 goal, should have scored 5, the pitch disintegrating when he takes a penalty. He’s all the chaos we need. Morgan Rogers was unplayable. A year ago he was playing for Middlesbrough, today he bagged a hat trick in the Champions League, playing like R9.
We even found time to sell Duran at half time.
What a fucking time to be alive!
Got any sniff left?
Does it look like it?
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Top 8 is a magnificent achievement. It wasn’t flawless these last two games, but 16 points is superb and we deserve to be there. UTV!
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What a brilliant match. Hated every bit of it.
The most Watkins performance ever. Absolutely brilliant, 2 assists, 1 goal, should have scored 5, the pitch disintegrating when he takes a penalty. He’s all the chaos we need. Morgan Rogers was unplayable. A year ago he was playing for Middlesbrough, today he bagged a hat trick in the Champions League, playing like R9.
We even found time to sell Duran at half time.
What a fucking time to be alive!
Got any sniff left?
Does it look like it?
Next time!
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Discovery plus is Man City TV
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Brilliant night, and entertaining game. Should have been 8.
Any mention of the pitch in that area we attacked in the second half? Ollie's slip for the pen, and Morgan nearly missed at the end when his left foot gave way underneath him in the exact same way. Is that a studs issue? Or a pitch issue?
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We should have scored eight. A fine performance, all things considered. Ramsey in particular was brilliant, but Kamara... Well, he's just about the finest player we've had at the club in many, many years.
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Nuts game.
Kamara my man of the match by a country mile, yet again. His quality on the ball is very distinctive.
For the second game running, wasn’t impressed with our forced subs (let you off, Unai), which worked against us: should we have left Bogarde in midfield where he was doing very nicely, thank you, and brought Ned on for Cash?
Must admit, between 30 mins and 60 mins, I was in a serious funk with Ollie (that easy chance where he tried to be too clever for 3-0, plus the other ones) and SJM (taking the ball off Kamara’s foot for the first goal). But they pulled round in the end.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/videos/cn4zw8824kgo
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Brilliant night, and entertaining game. Should have been 8.
Any mention of the pitch in that area we attacked in the second half? Ollie's slip for the pen, and Morgan nearly missed at the end when his left foot gave way underneath him in the exact same way. Is that a studs issue? Or a pitch issue?
Pitch
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Great achievement to get through. Rogers and Ramsey were outstanding. Bailey and McGinn improved a lot in second half. Kamara did very well at LCB. Watkins a whole other story. Cash injury a disaster. We cleared our heads at half time but it was a messy performance. Better cameo from Maatsen too.
Celtic are such a limited team and caused us far too many problems. At 3-2, I think it was Hatate whizzed one just past the post. Idah surprisingly did well and Kuhn? roasted Digne I thought. Their CBs are far too weak for this level, kamikaze tactics from Rodgers at the back going 1 on 1.
Martinez 6, Cash 6 (McGinn 7), Konsa 6, Kamara 8, Digne 4 (Maatsen 6), Tielemans 6, Bogarde 5, Bailey 6, Ramsey 9, Rogers 9, Watkins 6.
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Yes Ramsey was really good, pleased to see him getting back to his best.
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Well done lads. I was incredibly annoyed/shit scared after they scored. I really need to take time to smell the roses sometimes.
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Well done to Leon, he had a bit more about him in the second half. Hopefully he can build on that.
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Yes Ramsey was really good, pleased to see him getting back to his best.
Yes! After all this time it's so nice to see him showing his quality.
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Bit harsh on Digne, BBC have him at 7 which is where I also would put him.
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Thought maatsen was pretty good when he came on as well. Much improved from him
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Does this mean we can try against Spurs in the fa cup?
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Bit harsh on Digne, BBC have him at 7 which is where I also would put him.
Thought Digne was poor to be honest. Giving him a pass for Sunday as he should never have been put in that position but not for tonight.
Been one of our most consistent players this season so hopefully just a rough patch
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How was Kamara as a centre back?
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Does this mean we can try against Spurs in the fa cup?
Don't be ridiculous. We're going to make Spuds look like Real Madrid.
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How was Kamara as a centre back?
Good. Would prefer him to be in midfield though
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Brilliant to get automatic qualification, though we will need to play significantly better to advance much further.
Special mention to Bouba who slotted in to LCB and never missed a beat. Hopefully that means we never need to see Digne there again. Bogarde did very well in midfield but struggled at fullback and now we wait on Cash...
...and the enigma that is Ollie Watkins, from the sublime to the ridiculous and back again in the blink of an eye. Nice touch to let Rogers get his hat-trick.
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Brilliant night, and entertaining game. Should have been 8.
Any mention of the pitch in that area we attacked in the second half? Ollie's slip for the pen, and Morgan nearly missed at the end when his left foot gave way underneath him in the exact same way. Is that a studs issue? Or a pitch issue?
They were flooding that area before kickoff
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TNT coverage after the match was just disgusting. Man City as the main story, us the plucky underdogs about to have our best players taken off us by the entitled rich. Seriously it's rob the poor to keep the rich in the manner to which they're accustomed.
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Fantastic evening. Superb to beat the most obnoxious supporters in football.
Top 8 a dream.
Presume Duran has gone.
What a hat trick for Morgan!
Traditional champions league celebratory pint in Tyburn House on the way back!
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More importantly, how much dollar we made?
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Just got in.
Not sure what to say really.
We definitely needed half time.
Every single player was better second half.
We did it !!
That’s some achievement.
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If Cash was on the pitch these two goals wouldn’t have happened. Their fist was just quite ridiculously lucky and also a result of us being so out of shape at that point.
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What's at stake 💰 tonight?
▪️ €2.1m for a win, €0.7m for a draw
On top of that:
▪️ €11m for every Top 8 team
▪️ €1m for every team placed 9-24
▪️ €0.29m for each place you climb above the current guaranteed minimum
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We missed the Mings Konsa partnership today. Just think what we can achieve with them and more additions this week
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More importantly, how much dollar we made?
This is Percy's arena.
I’m marching for a bus. Check out @footballmeetsdata on X.
I make our Champions League revenue so far to be £65m...
https://x.com/fmeetsdata/status/1884575757197799787/photo/1
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If Cash was on the pitch these two goals wouldn’t have happened. Their fist was just quite ridiculously lucky and also a result of us being so out of shape at that point.
3 of our back 4, all regulars, handed them chances in the first half with stray passes/clearances under little pressure. Better teams punish that. Thought Martinez was still a bit jittery too.
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We missed the Mings Konsa partnership today. Just think what we can achieve with them and more additions this week
Not sure we did really. I thought Kamara was very good at centre back. Our problems weren’t the centre of defence it was the imbalance after the sub. But SJM improving loads and Bailey really stepping up in the second half got us back on the front foot.
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If Cash was on the pitch these two goals wouldn’t have happened. Their fist was just quite ridiculously lucky and also a result of us being so out of shape at that point.
I woudnt be too sure that we hadnt conceded two goals if Cash had been on the pitch all game.
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More importantly, how much dollar we made?
This is Percy's arena.
I’m marching for a bus. Check out @footballmeetsdata on X.
I make our Champions League revenue so far to be £65m...
https://x.com/fmeetsdata/status/1884575757197799787/photo/1
Wouldn’t that be euros?
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We seem to lose a player to injury almost every game.
Very pleased for JJ, he’s had rotten run with injuries but was outstanding tonight. Got to give Rogers man of the match though. Champions League hat-trick, bloody brilliant!
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My fust Champions League game tonight. Loved it, the atmosphere was fantastic but we didn't half make bastard hard work of it. Saw the best and worst of Ollie, Bogarde is never a right back and Kamara won motm for the 19th game in a row.
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We missed the Mings Konsa partnership today. Just think what we can achieve with them and more additions this week
We gifted them 2 goals, not sure we needed anyone gifting them a 3rd.
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My fust Champions League game tonight. Loved it, the atmosphere was fantastic but we didn't half make bastard hard work of it. Saw the best and worst of Ollie, Bogarde is never a right back and Kamara won motm for the 19th game in a row.
Unai doesn’t fancy Ned, would have been obvious to bring him on for cash.
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If Cash was on the pitch these two goals wouldn’t have happened. Their fist was just quite ridiculously lucky and also a result of us being so out of shape at that point.
3 of our back 4, all regulars, handed them chances in the first half with stray passes/clearances under little pressure. Better teams punish that. Thought Martinez was still a bit jittery too.
Oh give over, yes 3 of them are regulars but 1 was a centre mid playing his his game as a centre back in about 4 years, I know you like to be grumpy but you're taking the piss here.
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I find it interesting that in a game were Rogers bangs in a hat-trick that it's pretty unanimous on here that Kamara was still MOTM. What a fucking player he is.
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I noticed a bit of agro in the upper Witton.
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I find it interesting that in a game were Rogers bangs in a hat-trick that it's pretty unanimous on here that Kamara was still MOTM. What a fucking player he is.
Yeah bit special.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
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If Cash was on the pitch these two goals wouldn’t have happened. Their fist was just quite ridiculously lucky and also a result of us being so out of shape at that point.
3 of our back 4, all regulars, handed them chances in the first half with stray passes/clearances under little pressure. Better teams punish that. Thought Martinez was still a bit jittery too.
Oh give over, yes 3 of them are regulars but 1 was a centre mid playing his his game as a centre back in about 4 years, I know you like to be grumpy but you're taking the piss here.
Kamara was the odd one out!
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If Cash was on the pitch these two goals wouldn’t have happened. Their fist was just quite ridiculously lucky and also a result of us being so out of shape at that point.
3 of our back 4, all regulars, handed them chances in the first half with stray passes/clearances under little pressure. Better teams punish that. Thought Martinez was still a bit jittery too.
Oh give over, yes 3 of them are regulars but 1 was a centre mid playing his his game as a centre back in about 4 years, I know you like to be grumpy but you're taking the piss here.
Kamara was the odd one out!
So you're blaming Cash for 2 goals conceded after he went off injured?
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I noticed a bit of agro in the upper Witton.
Touch more than a 'bit'. Kicked off after Celtic's first goal and the stewards couldn't get it under control. Couldn't make out who was who in it really, but I think a couple of Celtic fans got a bit of a pasting for their troubles.
Think.the analysis of the game can wait for now and we can just celebrate of finishing in the top 8. Not having to play in that play-off could be massive for our season and we can have a proper go at the FA Cup game against Spurs now.
At the start of the season, I thought our aim was to get into the play-off round really. To finish in the top 8 is a great achievement.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
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Unai doesn’t fancy Ned, would have been obvious to bring him on for cash.
Unai needs to have a word with Monchi and tell him to stop wasting money on buying players he doesn't want.
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Unai doesn’t fancy Ned, would have been obvious to bring him on for cash.
Unai needs to have a word with Monchi and tell him to stop wasting money on buying players he doesn't want.
Looks like it could be a bring em in and sell on at a profit signing.
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If Cash was on the pitch these two goals wouldn’t have happened. Their fist was just quite ridiculously lucky and also a result of us being so out of shape at that point.
3 of our back 4, all regulars, handed them chances in the first half with stray passes/clearances under little pressure. Better teams punish that. Thought Martinez was still a bit jittery too.
Oh give over, yes 3 of them are regulars but 1 was a centre mid playing his his game as a centre back in about 4 years, I know you like to be grumpy but you're taking the piss here.
Kamara was the odd one out!
So you're blaming Cash for 2 goals conceded after he went off injured?
Eh no...our defending was shite before he went off though. Cash sliced a clearance straight to their winger who put it just past the post. Digne and Konsa put through their forwards for free shots on goal.
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Go back and read what you replied to.
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Unai doesn’t fancy Ned, would have been obvious to bring him on for cash.
Unai needs to have a word with Monchi and tell him to stop wasting money on buying players he doesn't want.
Looks like it could be a bring em in and sell on at a profit signing.
It certainly could be hopefully he has a good loan sorted out. There's certainly potential there.
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For what it's worth our xG was 3.79, so our attack did as expected, Celtic's was 0.82. I'm standing by our attack not being the biggest issue.
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Unai doesn’t fancy Ned, would have been obvious to bring him on for cash.
Unai needs to have a word with Monchi and tell him to stop wasting money on buying players he doesn't want.
Looks like it could be a bring em in and sell on at a profit signing.
Yeah. Unai doesn't need a Monchi. He is more knowledgeable about international players than almost anybody in the game.
The club needs Monchi to generate profits. Duran a case in point.
This has always been a tight balance.
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For what it's worth our xG was 3.79, so our attack did as expected, Celtic's was 0.82. I'm standing by our attack not being the biggest issue.
I assume they’re not counting the 5 “sitters” that Watkins missed.
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I noticed a bit of agro in the upper Witton.
Touch more than a 'bit'. Kicked off after Celtic's first goal and the stewards couldn't get it under control. Couldn't make out who was who in it really, but I think a couple of Celtic fans got a bit of a pasting for their troubles.
Think.the analysis of the game can wait for now and we can just celebrate of finishing in the top 8. Not having to play in that play-off could be massive for our season and we can have a proper go at the FA Cup game against Spurs now.
At the start of the season, I thought our aim was to get into the play-off round really. To finish in the top 8 is a great achievement.
If only.
Watkins didn't score every chance he had, don'cha know!
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
Oh. I was in The Holte so couldn’t really make out what they were singing about when I could hear them.
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Got back a few mins ago. F**king brilliant we have finished in the top 8.
We made hard work.of that match though, those triangles either side of our box was.asking for trouble, they closed us down well.and we just kept giving the ball.away - we need Mings back ASAP. but us going fwd they looked dodgy. Ollie? Scored 1, set up 1 and missed a couple, kept.going.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
Their “we’re here for a laugh and to support our team” shtick is tiresome. Albion-esque. In reality, they’re nothing but a bunch of ridiculous sectarian tramps who need to fuck right off.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
Oh. I was in The Holte so couldn’t really make out what they were singing about when I could hear them.
They were right in front of me. It was constant.
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More importantly, how much dollar we made?
This is Percy's arena.
I’m marching for a bus. Check out @footballmeetsdata on X.
I make our Champions League revenue so far to be £65m...
https://x.com/fmeetsdata/status/1884575757197799787/photo/1
Wouldn’t that be euros?
Leave means Leave
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
I'm Celtic over Rangers every day of the week, but that shit is shameful, and I know a lot of Celtic supporters who agree.
Those responsible can sing about their murderers all the way home, the fucking throwbacks.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
I'm Celtic over Rangers every day of the week, but that shit is shameful, and I know a lot of Celtic supporters who agree.
Those responsible can sing about their murderers all the way home, the fucking throwbacks.
Maybe it's a response to Rangers fans singing The Sash and their various songs about killing Catholics and Nationalists for the sake of it, and it's just become repetoire
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Yeah, I have no interest in that sectarian shit, and if anything, have sympathy for the nationalist cause in the most general terms, but coming to Birmingham and singing that IRA shit, they can absolutely fuck off, the "look at us, aren't we special" ******.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
Very clear lyrics of IRA about 3-5 mins before our 3rd Edit. It wasn't just a few if them either.
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Rogers, Ramsey, Kamara all excellent. McGinn grew into the game, Ollie worked them well with his movement and should have also scored a hat trick. Bailey was very poor generally but did improve. Looking forward to the rest of the window to see how it pans out.
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Vile songs sung by vile people. Please no one mention how amazing they are again.
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Yeah, I have no interest in that sectarian shit, and if anything, have sympathy for the nationalist cause in the most general terms, but coming to Birmingham and singing that IRA shit, they can absolutely fuck off, the "look at us, aren't we special" ******.
And cosplaying paramilitaries in new street, bunch of ******.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
I'm Celtic over Rangers every day of the week, but that shit is shameful, and I know a lot of Celtic supporters who agree.
Those responsible can sing about their murderers all the way home, the fucking throwbacks.
Maybe it's a response to Rangers fans singing The Sash and their various songs about killing Catholics and Nationalists for the sake of it, and it's just become repetoire
I'm from an Irish background and I have said I'm Celtic over Rangers. I've been to a game at Parkhead and had a great time.
Some things you cannot defend.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
I'm Celtic over Rangers every day of the week, but that shit is shameful, and I know a lot of Celtic supporters who agree.
Those responsible can sing about their murderers all the way home, the fucking throwbacks.
Maybe it's a response to Rangers fans singing The Sash and their various songs about killing Catholics and Nationalists for the sake of it, and it's just become repetoire
Were they playing Rangers?
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
I'm Celtic over Rangers every day of the week, but that shit is shameful, and I know a lot of Celtic supporters who agree.
Those responsible can sing about their murderers all the way home, the fucking throwbacks.
Maybe it's a response to Rangers fans singing The Sash and their various songs about killing Catholics and Nationalists for the sake of it, and it's just become repetoire
Were they playing Rangers?
Martyn is edging towards the quite inevitable dodgy ground you'd expect to find him on politically on this, I fear.
Genuinely not sure what relevance there is to Rangers fans doing anything when you're walking around a multicultural, multiethnic, religiously mixed city like Birmingham, singing shit like that.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
I'm Celtic over Rangers every day of the week, but that shit is shameful, and I know a lot of Celtic supporters who agree.
Those responsible can sing about their murderers all the way home, the fucking throwbacks.
Maybe it's a response to Rangers fans singing The Sash and their various songs about killing Catholics and Nationalists for the sake of it, and it's just become repetoire
Were they playing Rangers?
Martyn is edging towards the quite inevitable dodgy ground you'd expect to find him on politically on this, I fear.
Genuinely not sure what relevance there is to Rangers fans doing anything when you're walking around a multicultural, multiethnic, religiously mixed city like Birmingham, singing shit like that.
And a city full of people of Irish descent, the overwhelming majority of whom in no way support the killing of innocent people.
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If, and I have no reason to doubt Dave, they were singing about the IRA while at a match in Birmingham of all places then that tells you all you need to know about them.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
I'm Celtic over Rangers every day of the week, but that shit is shameful, and I know a lot of Celtic supporters who agree.
Those responsible can sing about their murderers all the way home, the fucking throwbacks.
Maybe it's a response to Rangers fans singing The Sash and their various songs about killing Catholics and Nationalists for the sake of it, and it's just become repetoire
Were they playing Rangers?
Martyn is edging towards the quite inevitable dodgy ground you'd expect to find him on politically on this, I fear.
Genuinely not sure what relevance there is to Rangers fans doing anything when you're walking around a multicultural, multiethnic, religiously mixed city like Birmingham, singing shit like that.
Agreed, the same City that suffered terribly in 1974 at the hands of those they sing about.
No class.
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Exactly why those two clubs should stay where they are…we just don’t need all the nonsense around them both.
5 minutes of madness when we fell apart after Cash went off but thought we were pretty comfortable for the rest of the game…they worked hard but didn’t have a lot outside of that 5 mins.
Kamara was immense, not a long term solution as good teams will pick off his lack of pace in that role but he has sooo much class.
That was the best all round game Ollie has had this season, he had #6 on toast…obv will be remembered for the penalty but he led the line brilliantly.
Think others have praised Rogers & Ramsey but I thought Bailey looked a lot more lively too…kept willing him to cut inside and have a shot rather than cut in and try to pass it. Would imagine Malen will start over him on Saturday but hopefully a bit of competition will do him good.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
I'm Celtic over Rangers every day of the week, but that shit is shameful, and I know a lot of Celtic supporters who agree.
Those responsible can sing about their murderers all the way home, the fucking throwbacks.
Maybe it's a response to Rangers fans singing The Sash and their various songs about killing Catholics and Nationalists for the sake of it, and it's just become repetoire
Were they playing Rangers?
Martyn is edging towards the quite inevitable dodgy ground you'd expect to find him on politically on this, I fear.
Genuinely not sure what relevance there is to Rangers fans doing anything when you're walking around a multicultural, multiethnic, religiously mixed city like Birmingham, singing shit like that.
And a city full of people of Irish descent, the overwhelming majority of whom in no way support the killing of innocent people.
Quite.
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The game was amazing, we made it hard for ourselves with poor finishing and poor defending, but incredible night.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
I'm Celtic over Rangers every day of the week, but that shit is shameful, and I know a lot of Celtic supporters who agree.
Those responsible can sing about their murderers all the way home, the fucking throwbacks.
Maybe it's a response to Rangers fans singing The Sash and their various songs about killing Catholics and Nationalists for the sake of it, and it's just become repetoire
Were they playing Rangers?
Martyn is edging towards the quite inevitable dodgy ground you'd expect to find him on politically on this, I fear.
Genuinely not sure what relevance there is to Rangers fans doing anything when you're walking around a multicultural, multiethnic, religiously mixed city like Birmingham, singing shit like that.
Agreed, the same City that suffered terribly in 1974 at the hands of those they sing about.
No class.
There is an historical fixation that in no way justifies but contextualises the nonsense: that more Irish civilians were killed by Unionist bomb attacks in 1974 (often considered the height of the Troubles) than British civilians killed by Republican bombings.
What this means to Glaswegians in 2025, I have no idea. It is disgusting to come to the city where such atrocities were committed and sing about those who committed them.
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It's all they have to sing about because their football teams are shit.
Well done Villa, who had us pegged for automatic qualification at the start of the competition? Nae fucker. Proud as punch.
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On a lighter note...
https://x.com/JVenicombe/status/1884765924747554857
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On a lighter note...
https://x.com/JVenicombe/status/1884765924747554857
As anyone ever ejaculated in their flares…
Fake news :-)
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Sectarian is a major issue in Scotland and it doesn't seem any government wishes to deal with it, but if it something connected to racism it a different story, something which has come to the surface in the last few days is been called a Fenian ******, which translates to been called a Catholic ****** on certain websites concerning this particular game, luckily I now now where I now stand because the same people wouldn't dare utter the nigger word or paki word in reference to the ethic community for fear of getting a knock on the door
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Sectarian is a major issue in Scotland and it doesn't seem any government wishes to deal with it, but if it something connected to racism it a different story, something which has come to the surface in the last few days is been called a Fenian ******, which translates to been called a Catholic ****** on certain websites concerning this particular game, luckily I now now where I now stand because the same people wouldn't dare utter the nigger word or paki word in reference to the ethic community for fear of getting a knock on the door
Fuck off, taig 😉
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Goodness. Sleep well all!
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
I'm Celtic over Rangers every day of the week, but that shit is shameful, and I know a lot of Celtic supporters who agree.
Those responsible can sing about their murderers all the way home, the fucking throwbacks.
Maybe it's a response to Rangers fans singing The Sash and their various songs about killing Catholics and Nationalists for the sake of it, and it's just become repetoire
Were they playing Rangers?
Martyn is edging towards the quite inevitable dodgy ground you'd expect to find him on politically on this, I fear.
Genuinely not sure what relevance there is to Rangers fans doing anything when you're walking around a multicultural, multiethnic, religiously mixed city like Birmingham, singing shit like that.
Agreed, the same City that suffered terribly in 1974 at the hands of those they sing about.
No class.
There is an historical fixation that in no way justifies but contextualises the nonsense: that more Irish civilians were killed by Unionist bomb attacks in 1974 (often considered the height of the Troubles) than British civilians killed by Republican bombings.
What this means to Glaswegians in 2025, I have no idea. It is disgusting to come to the city where such atrocities were committed and sing about those who committed them.
I lived and worked up in Glasgow for nearly a year and that was the one thing I never really got about either of the Old Firm clubs. I know the historical roots of the clubs, but their fans both sing about things in Irish history, yet the vast majority of them are Scottish and have never even lived in Ireland. A good percentage have probably never even been there.
A lot of it is just childish tit-for-tat and they can't see how poorly it reflects on what are two very big football clubs.
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I was at the game tonight. Was I happy to see a Star of David flag in the Holte. No I wasnt. But there you go we can all express ourselves however we wish. Great Result. Top 8. Amazing
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Exchanged pleasantries with a bloke as I walked from Aston station towards the ground we were remarking how it wasn’t as cold as we thought it might be. He was Scottish, not from Glasgow but Dunfermline. Goes to every Villa home game.
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Sectarian is a major issue in Scotland and it doesn't seem any government wishes to deal with it, but if it something connected to racism it a different story, something which has come to the surface in the last few days is been called a Fenian ******, which translates to been called a Catholic ****** on certain websites concerning this particular game, luckily I now now where I now stand because the same people wouldn't dare utter the nigger word or paki word in reference to the ethic community for fear of getting a knock on the door
Fuck off, taig 😉
Accept the joke, but really not in the mood sorry about that
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Sectarian is a major issue in Scotland and it doesn't seem any government wishes to deal with it, but if it something connected to racism it a different story, something which has come to the surface in the last few days is been called a Fenian ******, which translates to been called a Catholic ****** on certain websites concerning this particular game, luckily I now now where I now stand because the same people wouldn't dare utter the nigger word or paki word in reference to the ethic community for fear of getting a knock on the door
Fuck off, taig 😉
Accept the joke, but really not in the mood sorry about that
Apologies.
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Sectarian is a major issue in Scotland and it doesn't seem any government wishes to deal with it, but if it something connected to racism it a different story, something which has come to the surface in the last few days is been called a Fenian ******, which translates to been called a Catholic ****** on certain websites concerning this particular game, luckily I now now where I now stand because the same people wouldn't dare utter the nigger word or paki word in reference to the ethic community for fear of getting a knock on the door
Fuck off, taig 😉
Accept the joke, but really not in the mood sorry about that
Apologies.
👍no worries
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And to repeat what I said earlier - the ones I spoke to away from the ground were great.
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I was at the game tonight. Was I happy to see a Star of David flag in the Holte. No I wasnt. But there you go we can all express ourselves however we wish. Great Result. Top 8. Amazing
Star of David flag is a Rangers thing. Seen a few Union Jacks on display in the Holte too. I suppose if “they” have their tricolours some fans must think they need counteracting.
The trouble in the witton upper was reminiscent of the 03.03.03 night in its location but not its ferocity.
Note to the ground staff. If its been chucking it down for the previous 48 hours or so are the sprinklers really necessary?
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I was at the game tonight. Was I happy to see a Star of David flag in the Holte. No I wasnt. But there you go we can all express ourselves however we wish. Great Result. Top 8. Amazing
Star of David flag is a Rangers thing. Seen a few Union Jacks on display in the Holte too. I suppose if “they” have their tricolours some fans must think they need counteracting.
The trouble in the witton upper was reminiscent of the 03.03.03 night in its location but not its ferocity.
Note to the ground staff. If its been chucking it down for the previous 48 hours or so are the sprinklers really necessary?
Really? Can't say I've seen that before, personally.
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Surprised the tabloids haven't gone with "ROGERS ROGERS RODGERS"
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I was at the game tonight. Was I happy to see a Star of David flag in the Holte. No I wasnt. But there you go we can all express ourselves however we wish. Great Result. Top 8. Amazing
Star of David flag is a Rangers thing. Seen a few Union Jacks on display in the Holte too. I suppose if “they” have their tricolours some fans must think they need counteracting.
The trouble in the witton upper was reminiscent of the 03.03.03 night in its location but not its ferocity.
Note to the ground staff. If its been chucking it down for the previous 48 hours or so are the sprinklers really necessary?
Knowing Unai's obsessive nature, I'd be amazed if they didn't water the pitch at his request.
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I was at the game tonight. Was I happy to see a Star of David flag in the Holte. No I wasnt. But there you go we can all express ourselves however we wish. Great Result. Top 8. Amazing
Star of David flag is a Rangers thing. Seen a few Union Jacks on display in the Holte too. I suppose if “they” have their tricolours some fans must think they need counteracting.
The trouble in the witton upper was reminiscent of the 03.03.03 night in its location but not its ferocity.
Note to the ground staff. If its been chucking it down for the previous 48 hours or so are the sprinklers really necessary?
Knowing Unai's obsessive nature, I'd be amazed if they didn't water the pitch at his request.
With Evian.
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I was at the game tonight. Was I happy to see a Star of David flag in the Holte. No I wasnt. But there you go we can all express ourselves however we wish. Great Result. Top 8. Amazing
Star of David flag is a Rangers thing. Seen a few Union Jacks on display in the Holte too. I suppose if “they” have their tricolours some fans must think they need counteracting.
The trouble in the witton upper was reminiscent of the 03.03.03 night in its location but not its ferocity.
Note to the ground staff. If its been chucking it down for the previous 48 hours or so are the sprinklers really necessary?
Really? Can't say I've seen that before, personally.
Really? I don’t watch a great amount of Scottish football but will watch the odd old firm game. Rangers fans (some of them) have the Star of David, Celtic fans (some of them) have the Palestinian flag.
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I was at the game tonight. Was I happy to see a Star of David flag in the Holte. No I wasnt. But there you go we can all express ourselves however we wish. Great Result. Top 8. Amazing
Star of David flag is a Rangers thing. Seen a few Union Jacks on display in the Holte too. I suppose if “they” have their tricolours some fans must think they need counteracting.
The trouble in the witton upper was reminiscent of the 03.03.03 night in its location but not its ferocity.
Note to the ground staff. If its been chucking it down for the previous 48 hours or so are the sprinklers really necessary?
Really? Can't say I've seen that before, personally.
This explains it quite well:
https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=Northern+ireland+flags
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I was at the game tonight. Was I happy to see a Star of David flag in the Holte. No I wasnt. But there you go we can all express ourselves however we wish. Great Result. Top 8. Amazing
Star of David flag is a Rangers thing. Seen a few Union Jacks on display in the Holte too. I suppose if “they” have their tricolours some fans must think they need counteracting.
The trouble in the witton upper was reminiscent of the 03.03.03 night in its location but not its ferocity.
Note to the ground staff. If its been chucking it down for the previous 48 hours or so are the sprinklers really necessary?
Really? Can't say I've seen that before, personally.
This explains it quite well:
https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=Northern+ireland+flags
"My enemy's enemy is my friend."
Pretty good summary, to be fair
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
Oh. I was in The Holte so couldn’t really make out what they were singing about when I could hear them.
To be honest I didn’t think they were great. I could see about 100 of them singing in the first half but couldn’t hear them from lower Holte. I could only hear a drum. They all seemed boisterous after their goals and that last 10 minutes of the first half was the only time I could hear them.
I met a few groups in town and they were very friendly and chatty and all had been here at least one day. They were just like us in Monaco last week to be honest.
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Before and after the match every Celtic supporter I spoke to, without exception, was great. Inside they were scum.
In what way?
About 89 1/2 minutes singing about the IRA.
Oh. I was in The Holte so couldn’t really make out what they were singing about when I could hear them.
To be honest I didn’t think they were great. I could see about 100 of them singing in the first half but couldn’t hear them from lower Holte. I could only hear a drum. They all seemed boisterous after their goals and that last 10 minutes of the first half was the only time I could hear them.
I met a few groups in town and they were very friendly and chatty and all had been here at least one day. They were just like us in Monaco last week to be honest.
Not a patch on Hibs
Never trust any club that has a drummer
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A bit about the game and outgoings.
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Seems Emery has noticed a drop off when we go ahead ala West Ham and last night.
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I was at the game tonight. Was I happy to see a Star of David flag in the Holte. No I wasnt. But there you go we can all express ourselves however we wish. Great Result. Top 8. Amazing
The trouble in the witton upper was reminiscent of the 03.03.03 night in its location but not its ferocity.
There's videos of a few of them getting a kick in in the Upper Witton and a couple of them gets knocked down the stairs from the upper tier and 03.03.03 is all I could think of. I fucking hate seeing it but its morbidly comical in a way how he slides down the barrier in the middle of the stairs for around 15 steps.
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Gabby interrupts Cundy and O’Hara on TS to celebrate the win
From 2 minutes
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That was a lot more difficult than it should have been but it's great to go straight though to the RO16. Hopefully by the first week of March we will be better off injury wise.
We can also hopefully field a strong team against Spurs in the FA Cup tie.
UTV
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I would imagine at every European away game this season Villa fans have been in the home fans areas.
Great night, should of won more convincingly. They were okay going forward, but defensively they were awful.
Kamara did well at Centre Half, and you can see why Unai wanted him in that position with his passing ability.
I understand why Rodgers will get MOTM, but for me I thought Tielemans had a excellent game,
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I was at the game tonight. Was I happy to see a Star of David flag in the Holte. No I wasnt. But there you go we can all express ourselves however we wish. Great Result. Top 8. Amazing
Star of David flag is a Rangers thing. Seen a few Union Jacks on display in the Holte too. I suppose if “they” have their tricolours some fans must think they need counteracting.
The trouble in the witton upper was reminiscent of the 03.03.03 night in its location but not its ferocity.
Note to the ground staff. If its been chucking it down for the previous 48 hours or so are the sprinklers really necessary?
Really? Can't say I've seen that before, personally.
Really? I don’t watch a great amount of Scottish football but will watch the odd old firm game. Rangers fans (some of them) have the Star of David, Celtic fans (some of them) have the Palestinian flag.
It's definitely a Unionist thing. They burn the Palestinian flag alongside the Irish tricolour on their 12th of July bonfires, and fly the Israeli flag from lampposts next to Union Jacks. You could drive through any random small village in Northern Ireland and there's a good chance you'll see the Israeli flag flapping around. There was a massive increase in them around October 2023, but it does appear some have seen a bit of sense in that regard lately, at least in their street decorations, if not at distantly connected Scotish football clubs.
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Brilliant achievement to have made top 8. The BBC news leading on Manchester City qualifying. That, and ‘bids from Arsenal. Fuck off you absolute wankers.
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Brilliant atmosphere last night, and a deserved win. I know Morgan will get the headlines, but Ollie stretched the centre half’s all night and they looked physically knackered before 80 minutes, probably because they are a team playing in a league where they have most of the possession.
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I have my morning coffee and I can finally pull some thoughts together:
1/ Defensive frailty - the turning point in the first half was Cash going off injured. It disrupted our rhythm and exposed a weak point. Very soon after, we conceded 2 goals from attacks down that side. Injuries are not helping us at the moment. We would have been better balanced with Ned taking Cash’s place.
2/ Defence after half time - I suspect the team talk helped here. We looked a lot more assured in the 2nd half, more organised and didn’t fall into the same traps again. So whatever was said, the first half was more of a “plaster” on a wound, and then the 2nd half, the stitches were applied.
3/ Morgan Rogers - a first hat trick in the CL for a long time! Well played. Can Roger’s be a new no9 if Watkins goes?
4/ Ollie’s workrate. Awesome. Never let his head drop even after misses and one of the most spectacular penalties that I’ve ever seen go wrong. Very unselfish. “If” he does go, we will miss what he brings to the team the most. There are more natural finishers out there, but Ollie is much much more than a No9. He defends, he runs, he harries and he creates. I really don’t want him to leave.
5/ Mentality. Much less frail. We could have retreated into our shell, instead we pushed and pushed. And created. 4 goals is a good return and shows what this team is capable of with its creativity.
6/ Up the Villa!! Into the knockouts of the CL we go. I don’t care how far we go now, this is brilliant to have witnessed. “Do you want to bet against us?”
7/ Bailey. He was looking a decent bit more at his creative best last night. Still too many misplaced passes and poor decisions. He’s in there, he just needs time. But at the moment, he’s just not looking how we all hoped he would be this season
What a night!
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Brilliant atmosphere last night, and a deserved win. I know Morgan will get the headlines, but Ollie stretched the centre half’s all night and they looked physically knackered before 80 minutes, probably because they are a team playing in a league where they have most of the possession.
they had 3-4 players chasing everything do. No wonder they tired.
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Ten minutes of defensive aberrations apart last night was as complete a European performance we've had under Emery. The high of making the last 16 automatically was though tempered for me by the Arsenal bid for Ollie. It just seems a deliberate ploy to unsettle us as a club.
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Ten minutes of defensive aberrations apart last night was as complete a European performance we've had under Emery. The high of making the last 16 automatically was though tempered for me by the Arsenal bid for Ollie. It just seems a deliberate ploy to unsettle us as a club.
Yep, on reflection a few little errors began creeping in before we had a crazy 5 minutes where we conceded twice out of nowhere really. The defending was really poor for both and was a case of players switching off.
Apart from that period though, I thought we were pretty dominant and could have scored a few more.
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Mad game and typical of our season really. Injuries, players in odd positions, from frustration at HT to elation at the end.
The club do put on a show on CL nights to be fair and it's been thoroughly enjoyable. The football in all the games has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous, and that's exactly what happened last night, a microcosm of the campaign so far.
The predictions of blood and thunder in Town were way off as many pointed out but as ever, hype and bullshit will always swamp reality. There were plenty of Celtic fans in the pub but if anything it felt quieter than a normal home game. In the ground I only heard their fans at 2-2 and that silly little "singing" section at the front of the Witton looked bizarre. I was looking forward to this game for personal reasons but have to say that there was far more of a buzz for Munich/Bologna and Juventus.
And the best thing? The hope that we take the FA Cup seriously now.
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Thrilled that we're through to the knock-outs of the Champions League, but the manner we did it was incredible. Credit to Celtic for playing their part in a cracking, eventful game, intense game. I have to pinch myself that Villa are making waves at the highest level after so long in purgatory.
Going re-watch the highlights a few times now haha
Great stuff Villa.
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We had way too much for Celtic.
However gifting them two goals in as many minutes is yet another indictment of our weak mentality, and against a half decent side other than that rubbish, would have probably been fatal.
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The predictions of blood and thunder in Town were way off as many pointed out but as ever, hype and bullshit will always swamp reality. There were plenty of Celtic fans in the pub but if anything it felt quieter than a normal home game. In the ground I only heard their fans at 2-2 and that silly little "singing" section at the front of the Witton looked bizarre. I was looking forward to this game for personal reasons but have to say that there was far more of a buzz for Munich/Bologna and Juventus.
I’d agree with the quiet bit. We were in the power league before and there was hardly anyone in there and it was empty by 7.20. Then we only really saw any more people until we got to The Social, I thought it was strange.
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Ten minutes of defensive aberrations apart last night was as complete a European performance we've had under Emery. The high of making the last 16 automatically was though tempered for me by the Arsenal bid for Ollie. It just seems a deliberate ploy to unsettle us as a club.
Yep, on reflection a few little errors began creeping in before we had a crazy 5 minutes where we conceded twice out of nowhere really. The defending was really poor for both and was a case of players switching off.
Apart from that period though, I thought we were pretty dominant and could have scored a few more.
Other than their goals they didn't really trouble us.
the chanting is annoying but it comes with the territory, it gives them their identify, the down trodden underdog mentality. I'm not justifying it just trying to see it from their perspective. It does seem a bit out of date now 25 years post Good Friday Agreement.
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Surprised the tabloids haven't gone with "ROGERS ROGERS RODGERS"
Very good 👏🏻
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The predictions of blood and thunder in Town were way off as many pointed out but as ever, hype and bullshit will always swamp reality. There were plenty of Celtic fans in the pub but if anything it felt quieter than a normal home game. In the ground I only heard their fans at 2-2 and that silly little "singing" section at the front of the Witton looked bizarre. I was looking forward to this game for personal reasons but have to say that there was far more of a buzz for Munich/Bologna and Juventus.
I’d agree with the quiet bit. We were in the power league before and there was hardly anyone in there and it was empty by 7.20. Then we only really saw any more people until we got to The Social, I thought it was strange.
The Welly was quieter than normal, the train was less than packed and outside the ground was pretty much empty. It was strange.
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There's no defending the songs from the Celtic fans. Using republican songs is wrong in any context but particularly so in a city with a history of terrorist atrocities. And those singing them know it's hugely offensive.
There were a lot of ambulances heading back towards Aston as we heading out the Bristol road. I hope everyone got home safely.
A special mention to the guy who kept using the term 'fenian c*nt'. If he happens to visit this site, which I doubt, here's the definition for him.
Fenian is considered a derogatory term for Irish Catholics. It's often used in a sectarian context.
As for the game, we made it harder than it should have been. But to finish in the top 8 is a massive achievement.
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However gifting them two goals in as many minutes is yet another indictment of our weak mentality, and against a half decent side other than that rubbish, would have probably been fatal.
Said the same at the game. We really need to keep on it throughout the 90 minutes because we get too complacent, loose, cocky or whatever at the back when we have a lead. Keep moving the ball quickly and go forward should be our motto. Everyone at the back has a fuck up in them when they start dawdling around if the opposition press. It’s okay to clear the ball if nothing is on.
Celtic are indeed poor as a team. Decent enough in transition, okayish going forward but awful at the back. I can’t remember who it was who said the other day that we’d get 6 but he was spot on. 6-0 wouldn’t have flattered us.
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Suspect the atmosphere depends which side of the ground you were. It was dark and moody and crowded in Witton before and after the game. Celtic were obnoxious and Villa aggressive. police had dogs and batons drawn. One copper told me they had had a nightmare before the game.
Weirdly as I was walking along Brookvale Road. A white van with Israeli flag brandished outside window. Being tailgated by another car constantly hooting it.
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I think the Cash change affected us first half. I'm not sure we settled until Emery got into them at half time.
At half time, I felt like the easier change would have been Kosta as a straight swap. Bogarde and McGinn struggled in new positions but we improved immeasurably second half.
Will be interesting to see if he goes same again for Saturday or possibly uses Garcia at right back
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Shout out to Tyrone Mings. Our potential opponents in the last 16 are: Sporting, Club Brugge, Atalanta, Borussia Dortmund. If he hadn't picked the ball up against Brugge our opponents would be : Celtic, Man City, Real Madrid,Bayern Munich.
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I really didn't think they were good going forward, we just gifted them the ball under little pressure and didn't follow off ball runs, thats what led to us being less comfortable than we should have been.
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We went mad for 10 minutes after Cash went off injured, but otherwise dominated the game and the scoreline flattered Celtic.
Showed good energy, considering they had a break at the weekend.
Do worry about us defensively, particularly when we play more physical teams.
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Their first goal is a direct result of Cash going off. Bogarde letting the cross come in and McGinn charging around, deflecting the ball, which Kamara would have cleared easily.
McGinn more than made up for it though.
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Shout out to Tyrone Mings. Our potential opponents in the last 16 are: Sporting, Club Brugge, Atalanta, Borussia Dortmund. If he hadn't picked the ball up against Brugge our opponents would be : Celtic, Man City, Real Madrid,Bayern Munich.
I love little snippets like this but, blooming heck, you have to work the gods of football extremely hard to conclude that. Mings doesn’t have a brain fart and every single minute of every single game played across the whole competition still pans out the same.
Sorry, football counterfactuals are my biggest pet peeve.
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Shout out to Tyrone Mings. Our potential opponents in the last 16 are: Sporting, Club Brugge, Atalanta, Borussia Dortmund. If he hadn't picked the ball up against Brugge our opponents would be : Celtic, Man City, Real Madrid,Bayern Munich.
I love little snippets like this but, blooming heck, you have to work the gods of football extremely hard to conclude that. Mings doesn’t have a brain fart and every single minute of every single game played across the whole competition still pans out the same.
Sorry, football counterfactuals are my biggest pet peeve.
says the man who just posted this
'If we sell both our strikers at the same time then you can only conclude that our owners are actually Blues fans who’ve played a fantastic long game'
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Their first goal is a direct result of Cash going off. Bogarde letting the cross come in and McGinn charging around, deflecting the ball, which Kamara would have cleared easily.
McGinn more than made up for it though.
Did Bailey not track the runner for the first ?
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Shout out to Tyrone Mings. Our potential opponents in the last 16 are: Sporting, Club Brugge, Atalanta, Borussia Dortmund. If he hadn't picked the ball up against Brugge our opponents would be : Celtic, Man City, Real Madrid,Bayern Munich.
I love little snippets like this but, blooming heck, you have to work the gods of football extremely hard to conclude that. Mings doesn’t have a brain fart and every single minute of every single game played across the whole competition still pans out the same.
Sorry, football counterfactuals are my biggest pet peeve.
Unai Emery is such a master of European football I believe he'd worked out how all the results would go and instructed Tyrone to give a penalty away.
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Their first goal is a direct result of Cash going off. Bogarde letting the cross come in and McGinn charging around, deflecting the ball, which Kamara would have cleared easily.
McGinn more than made up for it though.
That was due to Bailey not tracking his man
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Their first goal is a direct result of Cash going off. Bogarde letting the cross come in and McGinn charging around, deflecting the ball, which Kamara would have cleared easily.
McGinn more than made up for it though.
Did Bailey not track the runner for the first ?
I thought it was Bogarde ball-watching, but I could be wrong. I think he was still in "defensive midfielder" mode.
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I'm still buzzing from last night what a brilliant win fantastic night.
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Their first goal is a direct result of Cash going off. Bogarde letting the cross come in and McGinn charging around, deflecting the ball, which Kamara would have cleared easily.
McGinn more than made up for it though.
Did Bailey not track the runner for the first ?
Yes he switched off to let the full back overlap, McGinn was a bit panicky with his clearance, as Kamara was covering it.
Like most goals it's usually a few things going wrong, their 2nd goal came from a neat flick, but I suppose we should have been closer to him, sometimes it's a nice bit of play from the opposition, without us getting the pitchforks out to blame someone/anyone.
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Their first goal is a direct result of Cash going off. Bogarde letting the cross come in and McGinn charging around, deflecting the ball, which Kamara would have cleared easily.
McGinn more than made up for it though.
Did Bailey not track the runner for the first ?
I thought it was Bogarde ball-watching, but I could be wrong. I think he was still in "defensive midfielder" mode.
Just watched it again. Bailey misses an interception, then doesn’t track back. Bogarde followed his man.
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I think Bailey and Bogarde were unsure of what each other were supposed to do defensively until after half-time because it wasn't a problem in the second half.
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Shout out to Tyrone Mings. Our potential opponents in the last 16 are: Sporting, Club Brugge, Atalanta, Borussia Dortmund. If he hadn't picked the ball up against Brugge our opponents would be : Celtic, Man City, Real Madrid,Bayern Munich.
I love little snippets like this but, blooming heck, you have to work the gods of football extremely hard to conclude that. Mings doesn’t have a brain fart and every single minute of every single game played across the whole competition still pans out the same.
Sorry, football counterfactuals are my biggest pet peeve.
says the man who just posted this
'If we sell both our strikers at the same time then you can only conclude that our owners are actually Blues fans who’ve played a fantastic long game'
Oh balls and botheration. You’ve got me there Andy. I feel like such a fool now.
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Their first goal is a direct result of Cash going off. Bogarde letting the cross come in and McGinn charging around, deflecting the ball, which Kamara would have cleared easily.
McGinn more than made up for it though.
Did Bailey not track the runner for the first ?
I thought it was Bogarde ball-watching, but I could be wrong. I think he was still in "defensive midfielder" mode.
Just watched it again. Bailey misses an interception, then doesn’t track back. Bogarde followed his man.
yep, you're right - just watched it back. Good job no one important is relying on my memory of what happened!
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I think Bailey and Bogarde were unsure of what each other were supposed to do defensively until after half-time because it wasn't a problem in the second half.
At the time I though it was a mistake to move Bogarde from the middle , but we settled down
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Will go down as one of the great VP nights, going forward we were superb, could easily have been 7 or 8. Special credit goes to Rogers and Kamara, but the biggest plus in the last few games is seeing Ramsey getting back to his best, thought he was superb again last night.
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Crazy game! Celebrated the win by downing a whisky obviously! Rogers quite rightly takes all the plaudits.
Half time was crucial in that it gave Mister the chance to get more detailed instructions to the likes of Bogarde and Bailey. We must learn not to be distracted or unnerved when a key player has to go off injured though?
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How was it around the ground with away fans . There was a couple of instances in the Trinity but generally it seemed a good atmosphere
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Big up the boy Bogarde as well, he's filled in where needed and it's not easy switching positions mid-game.
Doing that in pressure games at Arsenal and last night, a really useful, versatile player we've got on our hands.
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Yes I think half time was crucial, we were so much better after the break.
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Rogers obviously gets the plaudits but Bouba K was incredible - we should offer him 2 x contracts, one for defence and one for midfield, such a quality player. I think Bogarde in midfield looks great, played well until moved to RB, he isn't a defender!
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Crazy game! Celebrated the win by downing a whisky obviously! Rogers quite rightly takes all the plaudits.
Half time was crucial in that it gave Mister the chance to get more detailed instructions to the likes of Bogarde and Bailey. We must learn not to be distracted or unnerved when a key player has to go off injured though?
Must have been tricky for Bogarde, he starts well in his preferred position, and then is shunted to right back, where he's not played too many games. McGinn running around like a whirling dervish trying to make an impact on the game didn't help.
But then like you say a few words of wisdom from Emery at half time, Bogarde and McGinjn settled down, and Bailey was a real threat down the right.
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How was it around the ground with away fans . There was a couple of instances in the Trinity but generally it seemed a good atmosphere
A very pissed guy with a strong Glaswegian accent (but strangely he was wearing claret and blue Adidas Gazelles) asked me if it was the Holte End at the turnstile. The steward heard the entire exchange and just allowed him in. No idea what happened to him after that.
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Rogers obviously gets the plaudits but Bouba K was incredible - we should offer him 2 x contracts, one for defence and one for midfield, such a quality player. I think Bogarde in midfield looks great, played well until moved to RB, he isn't a defender!
Agreed on Bogarde. He’s made a couple of cameos recently that give me hope he could buck the trend of our youngsters and possibly make it at the Villa.
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I like Bogarde more and more. I think he's going to be a top player for us.
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How was it around the ground with away fans . There was a couple of instances in the Trinity but generally it seemed a good atmosphere
Brother's neighbour was on duty at Lloyd House police station control centre and said it was quite considering all the media hype
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Crazy game! Celebrated the win by downing a whisky obviously! Rogers quite rightly takes all the plaudits.
Half time was crucial in that it gave Mister the chance to get more detailed instructions to the likes of Bogarde and Bailey. We must learn not to be distracted or unnerved when a key player has to go off injured though?
Must have been tricky for Bogarde, he starts well in his preferred position, and then is shunted to right back, where he's not played too many games. McGinn running around like a whirling dervish trying to make an impact on the game didn't help.
But then like you say a few words of wisdom from Emery at half time, Bogarde and McGinjn settled down, and Bailey was a real threat down the right.
loved the fact that he was using both feet to pass, what a top player.
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I like Bogarde more and more. I think he's going to be a top player for us.
I think his best moments have been as a centre midfielder.
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How was it around the ground with away fans . There was a couple of instances in the Trinity but generally it seemed a good atmosphere
I was in the Trinity an older Celtic fan in an exec box was being a tw*t when they scored, that riled a few of.our fans who who wanted him thrown out. The stewards had a chat with but he stayed. A few fans shouting to the stewards about lack of action and we just wanted the money from the boxes.
When we scored our 3rd, he got dogs abuse.
My lad was a bit scared by it all. Not great.
Celtic fans can be the most sanctimonious knobs, political chanting and banners, thinking they are special. Glad to see the back of them.
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How was it around the ground with away fans . There was a couple of instances in the Trinity but generally it seemed a good atmosphere
I was in the Trinity an older Celtic fan in an exec box was being a tw*t when they scored, that riled a few of.our fans who who wanted him thrown out. The stewards had a chat with but he stayed. A few fans shouting to the stewards about lack of action and we just wanted the money from the boxes.
When we scored our 3rd, he got dogs abuse.
My lad was a bit scared by it all. Not great.
Celtic fans can be the most sanctimonious knobs, political chanting and banners, thinking they are special. Glad to see the back of them.
For all the reputation about their infamous atmosphere, they were distinctly average, not a peep at 2 down.....and a drum (get in the bin)
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How was it around the ground with away fans . There was a couple of instances in the Trinity but generally it seemed a good atmosphere
I was in the Trinity an older Celtic fan in an exec box was being a tw*t when they scored, that riled a few of.our fans who who wanted him thrown out. The stewards had a chat with but he stayed. A few fans shouting to the stewards about lack of action and we just wanted the money from the boxes.
When we scored our 3rd, he got dogs abuse.
My lad was a bit scared by it all. Not great.
Celtic fans can be the most sanctimonious knobs, political chanting and banners, thinking they are special. Glad to see the back of them.
For all the reputation about their infamous atmosphere, they were distinctly average, not a peep at 2 down.....and a drum (get in the bin)
Agreed, a few of that Green Brigade in the front of the top tier of the Witton with a drum.....that was the only thing they were beating last night.
Hibs were much better.
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I did wonder why they had drum. I wouldn't have thought they would need one to create an atmosphere but I watch virtually no Scottish football to compare it to a domestic game.
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Their first goal is a direct result of Cash going off. Bogarde letting the cross come in and McGinn charging around, deflecting the ball, which Kamara would have cleared easily.
McGinn more than made up for it though.
Did Bailey not track the runner for the first ?
I thought it was Bogarde ball-watching, but I could be wrong. I think he was still in "defensive midfielder" mode.
He did follow the man inside rather then marking the right hand side, but Bailey also allowed the fullback to run into the space unchallenged. So between the two. It might have also happened under Cash as well though, the only difference would be McGinn wouldn't have knocked on so Kamara might have cleared or even Bogarde might have stopped the ball for the one-two.
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Their first goal was all on Leon Bailey, who missed the ball as he so often does and then didn't track the wingers run.
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I spent too much time worrying about other results, Duran and Watkins to fully take it all in last night. At 2-0 we were cruising and I didn't care then the fear set in.
Needn't have worried.
Brilliant.
And drums should be banned.
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That was some game . We don't do things the easy way do we.
Second half though we were pretty much in full control , dont think they had a shot on target .
UTFV.
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I like Bogarde more and more. I think he's going to be a top player for us.
In the midfield I think
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Rogers obviously gets the plaudits but Bouba K was incredible - we should offer him 2 x contracts, one for defence and one for midfield, such a quality player. I think Bogarde in midfield looks great, played well until moved to RB, he isn't a defender!
Agreed on Bogarde. He’s made a couple of cameos recently that give me hope he could buck the trend of our youngsters and possibly make it at the Villa.
I really like the look of bogarde. He has had to come in at difficult times in various different roles. I think he is going to be a very handy player for us.
Not sure what his best role is yet but has played cb rb and cm for us and hasnt disgarced himself in any of them.
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I like Bogarde more and more. I think he's going to be a top player for us.
In the midfield I think
I think he'll definitely be a Defensive Midfielder in the main but if he can also be a cover option at centre back and right back then the fact that he's a club-trained player makes him incredibly valuable to us for European competitions.
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So what the hell us going on with our pitch? Bailey cannot stand up on it. Watkins slipping for the penalty. Rogers slipping while scoring the 4th goal
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So what the hell us going on with our pitch? Bailey cannot stand up on it. Watkins slipping for the penalty. Rogers slipping while scoring the 4th goal
I’ve just messaged my mate that he’s to blame as he’s part of the team that does the divots. No reply as yet!
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The Celtic fans I know and have met are generally sound and up for a good time. They dislike Rangers fans as much as Rangers fans dislike them mind. The ones I’ve spoken to in the last few months were excited for the trip to Villa but there wasn’t any edge to it.
On the game. So good to see us settle down after we got the wobbles with the substitution.
We really need some transfer magic to give us enough of the right quality of players to finish the season.
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I first went to the Glasgow derby as a neutral, and came back preferring Celtic as their fans were so much friendlier than Rangers which, as an Englishman with a family tree that stretches no further Balsall Heath and Selly Oak, surprised me.
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I first went to the Glasgow derby as a neutral, and came back preferring Celtic as their fans were so much friendlier than Rangers which, as an Englishman with a family tree that stretches no further Balsall Heath and Selly Oak, surprised me.
I lean the same way, but have met a few Rangers fans through work and stuff they've been generally sound. Even went to Barry Ferguson's bar in Gran Canaria with one a long time ago.
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I first went to the Glasgow derby as a neutral, and came back preferring Celtic as their fans were so much friendlier than Rangers which, as an Englishman with a family tree that stretches no further Balsall Heath and Selly Oak, surprised me.
I lean the same way, but have met a few Rangers fans through work and stuff they've been generally sound. Even went to Barry Ferguson's bar in Gran Canaria with one a long time ago.
I know Paul Tait. He’s a Rangers fan. End of discussion.
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Conceded.
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I think I speak for the majority of people on this site when I say I couldn’t give one flying fuck about either Celtic or Rangers and the 300 years of shared bigotry they decide it’s worth reliving every week. Quite why everyone gets such a hard on for two clubs who seem to represent everything that’s wrong with Football rivalry and for added benefit it’s because they all believe in slightly different version of the same sky fairy beggars belief. Glasgow is a great city but its deserves so much more than the bigot brothers.
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I think I speak for the majority of people on this site when I say I couldn’t give one flying fuck about either Celtic or Rangers and the 300 years of shared bigotry they decide it’s worth reliving every week. Quite why everyone gets such a hard on for two clubs who seem to represent everything that’s wrong with Football rivalry and for added benefit it’s because they all believe in slightly different version of the same sky fairy beggars belief. Glasgow is a great city but its deserves so much more than the bigot brothers.
Personally I think both clubs hierarchy feed on the bigotry and government especially the SNP will not face full on because of the political implications
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I do like Glasgow as a city and in many ways prefer it to touristy Edinburgh.
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Edinburgh is touristy if you're a tourist.
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Just a great fucking night at Villa Park - that is all!
Having missed the Bayern game as I was on holiday abroad, I loved this!
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Edinburgh is touristy if you're a tourist.
We're those the original opening lyrics to People are Strange?
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Edinburgh is touristy if you're a tourist.
We're those the original opening lyrics to People are Strange?
I wish to emphatically reject any allegation that I knowingly invoked 'The Lizard King'.
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I have to say i felt the ref was really good yesterday. One of the best we have had in CL
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I think I speak for the majority of people on this site when I say I couldn’t give one flying fuck about either Celtic or Rangers and the 300 years of shared bigotry they decide it’s worth reliving every week. Quite why everyone gets such a hard on for two clubs who seem to represent everything that’s wrong with Football rivalry and for added benefit it’s because they all believe in slightly different version of the same sky fairy beggars belief. Glasgow is a great city but its deserves so much more than the bigot brothers.
Personally I think both clubs hierarchy feed on the bigotry and government especially the SNP will not face full on because of the political implications
Partick Thistle, Queens Park and many junior (non league) teams offer an alternative.
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I do like Glasgow as a city and in many ways prefer it to touristy Edinburgh.
Ive always preferred Edinburgh as its touristy and i am a tourist when up there.
Great game last night, great result and on we go
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I have to say i felt the ref was really good yesterday. One of the best we have had in CL
Disagree - 15 fouls by Celtic and not a single booking. Plenty in the lower Holte getting very annoyed about them getting away with a few “agricultural” tackles
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I have to say i felt the ref was really good yesterday. One of the best we have had in CL
I can't remember anything about the ref he left no lasting impressions on me and that speaks volumes.
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I have to say i felt the ref was really good yesterday. One of the best we have had in CL
Disagree - 15 fouls by Celtic and not a single booking. Plenty in the lower Holte getting very annoyed about them getting away with a few “agricultural” tackles
if you compare that to juventus and the games vs brugge, Leizpig i think he was pretty good.
He let the game flow and wasnt throwing stupid yellows. We escaped any needless bans so i thought he was decent
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There's no defending the songs from the Celtic fans. Using republican songs is wrong in any context but particularly so in a city with a history of terrorist atrocities. And those singing them know it's hugely offensive.
There were a lot of ambulances heading back towards Aston as we heading out the Bristol road. I hope everyone got home safely.
A special mention to the guy who kept using the term 'fenian c*nt'. If he happens to visit this site, which I doubt, here's the definition for him.
Fenian is considered a derogatory term for Irish Catholics. It's often used in a sectarian context.
Plenty would consider being called a Fenian a badge of honor. No doubt the amateur historian shouting it is aware of the historical context of the Fenians being setup less than 20 years after the famine.
As for the oik waving the flag of Israel and Netanyahu's monsters, what goes through the mind of a fan thinking it's a good idea to bring that flag to a football game in the first place. I'm assuming with the intention of winding up "the paddies".
As for the "jukebox republicans" at the other end, as a matter of interest what IRA songs were they signing?
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I can fess up now as everything was ok, but I replied to the commentator saying the Celtic could get joy if they could get the ball into the box by saying "Yeah, but they've got Adam Idah in there and he's Blues" no more than 30 seconds before their first goal.
My mate was absolutely livid with me and ordered me to shut the fuck up.
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There's no defending the songs from the Celtic fans. Using republican songs is wrong in any context but particularly so in a city with a history of terrorist atrocities. And those singing them know it's hugely offensive.
There were a lot of ambulances heading back towards Aston as we heading out the Bristol road. I hope everyone got home safely.
A special mention to the guy who kept using the term 'fenian c*nt'. If he happens to visit this site, which I doubt, here's the definition for him.
Fenian is considered a derogatory term for Irish Catholics. It's often used in a sectarian context.
Plenty would consider being called a Fenian a badge of honor. No doubt the amateur historian shouting it is aware of the historical context of the Fenians being setup less than 20 years after the famine.
As for the oik waving the flag of Israel and Netanyahu's monsters, what goes through the mind of a fan thinking it's a good idea to bring that flag to a football game in the first place. I'm assuming with the intention of winding up "the paddies".
As for the "jukebox republicans" at the other end, as a matter of interest what IRA songs were they signing?
From the TV I could hear the The Broad Black Brimmer, which is about the old IRA during the Irish Civil War and to be fair is a catchy tune.
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
And which songs? Because one of them is, you know, the Irish national anthem.
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Ten minutes of defensive aberrations apart last night was as complete a European performance we've had under Emery. The high of making the last 16 automatically was though tempered for me by the Arsenal bid for Ollie. It just seems a deliberate ploy to unsettle us as a club.
We were defensively poor for nearly all the first half I thought, a lot more went wrong than just 10 minutes. Less scary moments in second but they very nearly got an equaliser to make it 3-3, Martinez came and got nowhere near a cross at one stage too. Granted on another night we could have got 7 or 8 but we keep defending like that and a better team will give us a hiding soon.
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I have to say i felt the ref was really good yesterday. One of the best we have had in CL
Disagree - 15 fouls by Celtic and not a single booking. Plenty in the lower Holte getting very annoyed about them getting away with a few “agricultural” tackles
but he was consistent, it was a big game with a lot riding on it for both sides even before the england vs scotland aspect and he clearly understood that and didn't feel the need to 'impose himself' on it to get control. Instead he was sensible, calmed things down and let the game flow. I'd say he's the best ref I've seen all season.
The only bit of controversy was the penalty which, for me, was the sort you want given for you but would be really upset if it's given against you.
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If they had been Matty Cash sliding in and taking out their player in the box I’d have been cursing him. He clearly takes Watkins legs before the ball. Excellent decision by the ref.
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
And which songs? Because one of them is, you know, the Irish national anthem.
Martin Brennan's medley on This Time (The One Show) was right in every context.
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Rogers obviously gets the plaudits but Bouba K was incredible - we should offer him 2 x contracts, one for defence and one for midfield, such a quality player. I think Bogarde in midfield looks great, played well until moved to RB, he isn't a defender!
Agreed on Bogarde. He’s made a couple of cameos recently that give me hope he could buck the trend of our youngsters and possibly make it at the Villa.
He has the ability to be our best utilitarian since Ricky Scimeca and Simon "Larry" Grayson.
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Gabby interrupts Cundy and O’Hara on TS to celebrate the win
From 2 minutes
They cut-off a bloke called Demitri before Gabby comes into the studio. He's not H&V's very own Demi, is he?
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Gabby interrupts Cundy and O’Hara on TS to celebrate the win
From 2 minutes
They cut-off a bloke called Demitri before Gabby comes into the studio. He's not H&V's very own Demi, is he?
That was my immediate thought. Probably called to say what a brilliant game Watkins had had 😉
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Gabby interrupts Cundy and O’Hara on TS to celebrate the win
From 2 minutes
They cut-off a bloke called Demitri before Gabby comes into the studio. He's not H&V's very own Demi, is he?
That was my immediate thought. Probably called to say what a brilliant game Watkins had had 😉
If they cut him off then probably ;D
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I do like Glasgow as a city and in many ways prefer it to touristy Edinburgh.
I don't often say this, but VillaTim is absolutely correct.
I prefer Leith to central Edinburgh.
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I also thought the ref had officiated fairly. Let the game flow and made it a decent game to watch. There were no bookings missed except for possibly persistent fouling on Celtic's part. He's a good referee is Clement Turpin from the games I've seen him ref previously and last night.
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Gabby interrupts Cundy and O’Hara on TS to celebrate the win
From 2 minutes
They cut-off a bloke called Demitri before Gabby comes into the studio. He's not H&V's very own Demi, is he?
Hahahahaha
It actually wasnt me mate i wish it was 😂 looks like there is two of us id love to meet him
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If they had been Matty Cash sliding in and taking out their player in the box I’d have been cursing him. He clearly takes Watkins legs before the ball. Excellent decision by the ref.
It was very similar to the one against Palace at home last season, yes he gets the ball but it's after he takes down Watkins.
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It was a 70% pen IMO. They were never going to overturn it. VAR wouldn't have awarded it if the referee hadn't already done so.
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I do like Glasgow as a city and in many ways prefer it to touristy Edinburgh.
I don't often say this, but VillaTim is absolutely correct.
I prefer Leith to central Edinburgh.
To the first few bars of Sunshine on Leith?
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There's no defending the songs from the Celtic fans. Using republican songs is wrong in any context but particularly so in a city with a history of terrorist atrocities. And those singing them know it's hugely offensive.
There were a lot of ambulances heading back towards Aston as we heading out the Bristol road. I hope everyone got home safely.
A special mention to the guy who kept using the term 'fenian c*nt'. If he happens to visit this site, which I doubt, here's the definition for him.
Fenian is considered a derogatory term for Irish Catholics. It's often used in a sectarian context.
Plenty would consider being called a Fenian a badge of honor. No doubt the amateur historian shouting it is aware of the historical context of the Fenians being setup less than 20 years after the famine.
As for the oik waving the flag of Israel and Netanyahu's monsters, what goes through the mind of a fan thinking it's a good idea to bring that flag to a football game in the first place. I'm assuming with the intention of winding up "the paddies".
As for the "jukebox republicans" at the other end, as a matter of interest what IRA songs were they signing?
From the TV I could hear the The Broad Black Brimmer, which is about the old IRA during the Irish Civil War and to be fair is a catchy tune.
Yeah it's not bad, obviously a bit twee. Hardly a Provo tune anyway
Presumed that god awful a nay-shun once again got an airing, good one to clear a late bar. Joe McDonnell would be more an obvious Provo one and absolutely not one to be singing in Birmingham.
I wish I was back home in Derry might have been more apt, more a song about emigration than IRA and written by a former Villa fan
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Haven't watched it back, but I thought the pen was a bit soft at the time. Thankfully, it didn't matter in the end.
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I do like Glasgow as a city and in many ways prefer it to touristy Edinburgh.
I don't often say this, but VillaTim is absolutely correct.
I prefer Leith to central Edinburgh.
To the first few bars of Sunshine on Leith?
Finally, a decent song on this thread.
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I wish I was back home in Derry might have been more apt, more a song about emigration than IRA and written by a former Villa fan
I was in a bar in Bulgaria last Friday and someone requested that from the DJ to rile up the Belfast stag party that were in there.
You've never heard a panicked DJ segue into Cotton-Eyed Joe quicker in your life when he realised what was going on.
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
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I reckon a couple of people will be getting the knock on the door soon
https://x.com/johncar84429686/status/1884963165630259221
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Who would be offended by a republican song though apart from groupies of King Chuck. I think after years of colonialism and the following generational trauma a few songs are fair enough.
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I reckon a couple of people will be getting the knock on the door soon
https://x.com/johncar84429686/status/1884963165630259221
Any fucker that kicks someone in the head on the deck should serve some time.
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I reckon a couple of people will be getting the knock on the door soon
https://x.com/johncar84429686/status/1884963165630259221
Any fucker that kicks someone in the head on the deck should serve some time.
Agree.
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I reckon a couple of people will be getting the knock on the door soon
https://x.com/johncar84429686/status/1884963165630259221
Good…what pathetic snide yobbos
Ban them for life….
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were both of the ****** doing the kicking and the ****** in the wooly hat 'Villa fans' ?
It makes me feel sick watching that
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Looks like it.
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I reckon a couple of people will be getting the knock on the door soon
https://x.com/johncar84429686/status/1884963165630259221
Any fucker that kicks someone in the head on the deck should serve some time.
Absolutely. He looked about 60 too. The wanker.
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And whoever the guy was punching someone who was in a headlock should be in some deep water. Whether Villa or Celtic. Such a pussy move.
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Who would be offended by a republican song though apart from groupies of King Chuck. I think after years of colonialism and the following generational trauma a few songs are fair enough.
Not at a football match though. They're bound to antagonize some people. I couldn't hear what the Celtic fans were singing but assumed it was some republican song and is what started some numbers in the Holte singing God save the King. The EDL lad behind me finished the rendition with "No Surrender" which made me laugh.
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Looks like it.
Strange levels of violence for just being in the home end.
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Looks like it.
Strange levels of violence for just being in the home end.
It's fucking ludicrous. They're all watching a sporting event. If you can't be trusted not to react violently to someone wanting a different outcome to that sporting event you've got no place in society, let alone a sporting event.
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Villa in the home stands “we sit where we want, we sit where we want…” Look at us a huge club, Celtic do it and it’s the end of the world
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I felt an uneasy level of intimidation in the atmosphere once Celtic scored. Not at the levels that we get for the Blues games but it was there none the less & particularly prevalent amongst the 50+ brigade.
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Talking to a Celtic fan in the bullring shopping centre just,he named after Gary Shaw
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i saw one guy angrily remonstrating with. a steward about ejecting people with his back to the game and we were attacking , crazy priorities
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Not one for away support sitting in the home ends, but I wouldn't want to fight with them,
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It was weird when they scored…felt like so many were desperately looking at the people around them to ‘find one’ - plenty of arsehole behaviour all round
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Who would be offended by a republican song though apart from groupies of King Chuck. I think after years of colonialism and the following generational trauma a few songs are fair enough.
Not at a football match though. They're bound to antagonize some people. I couldn't hear what the Celtic fans were singing but assumed it was some republican song and is what started some numbers in the Holte singing God save the King. The EDL lad behind me finished the rendition with "No Surrender" which made me laugh.
Brother was getting a programme outside the Holte pub and a group of young lads coming up singing No Surrender to the IRA, what made me laugh one was wearing a half and half scarf
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It was weird when they scored…felt like so many were desperately looking at the people around them to ‘find one’ - plenty of arsehole behaviour all round
we had a couple around us and it was known , but nobody was disrespectful
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I felt an uneasy level of intimidation in the atmosphere once Celtic scored. Not at the levels that we get for the Blues games but it was there none the less & particularly prevalent amongst the 50+ brigade.
As I qualify in the 50+ brigade I can say where I was in the lower Holte there was very little intimidation when they scored. A lot of annoyance though and debate as to who was at fault. It didn't even register on the 03.03.03 scale.
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Who would be offended by a republican song though apart from groupies of King Chuck. I think after years of colonialism and the following generational trauma a few songs are fair enough.
Not at a football match though. They're bound to antagonize some people. I couldn't hear what the Celtic fans were singing but assumed it was some republican song and is what started some numbers in the Holte singing God save the King. The EDL lad behind me finished the rendition with "No Surrender" which made me laugh.
Brother was getting a programme outside the Holte pub and a group of young lads coming up singing No Surrender to the IRA, what made me laugh one was wearing a half and half scarf
I guess it depends on the song. The one I hear them singing the most is The Fields of Athenry which is I suppose republican but how can anybody be offended about people singing about their ancestor’s being starved.
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Some people maybe losing their seats due to selling on to Celtic assuming not GA+ direct from club, then some losing their seats for our thugs as well.
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Villa in the home stands “we sit where we want, we sit where we want…” Look at us a huge club, Celtic do it and it’s the end of the world
And moaning like F, when the stewards give them a push at away games
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Some people maybe losing their seats due to selling on to Celtic assuming not GA+ direct from club, then some losing their seats for our thugs as well.
Listening to talk sport some said they purchased memberships and done it that way
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I reckon a couple of people will be getting the knock on the door soon
https://x.com/johncar84429686/status/1884963165630259221
Any fucker that kicks someone in the head on the deck should serve some time.
Some right brave boys there
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I reckon a couple of people will be getting the knock on the door soon
https://x.com/johncar84429686/status/1884963165630259221
Any fucker that kicks someone in the head on the deck should serve some time.
Some right brave boys there
Until they face Russians
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I reckon a couple of people will be getting the knock on the door soon
https://x.com/johncar84429686/status/1884963165630259221
What a load of absolute ****** they are. I hope they go to jail.
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I wonder if stewards quietly pass on seat numbers ?
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The stewards deserve some credit for having to deal with that crap. It’s mega disrespectful to them to have limbs flailing all over them while they’re trying to do their job of keeping people safe, probably for not much cash. Some of them will have gone home with bruises from a days work. The pricks should be made to write an apology.
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The stewards deserve some credit for having to deal with that crap. It’s mega disrespectful to them to have limbs flailing all over them while they’re trying to do their job of keeping people safe, probably for not much cash. Some of them will have gone home with bruises from a days work. The pricks should be made to write an apology.
Wholeheartedly agree, looking from the lower holte it did look they were slow to react, couldn't understand why the police weren't involved considering the so called amount on duty
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Who would be offended by a republican song though apart from groupies of King Chuck. I think after years of colonialism and the following generational trauma a few songs are fair enough.
Not at a football match though. They're bound to antagonize some people. I couldn't hear what the Celtic fans were singing but assumed it was some republican song and is what started some numbers in the Holte singing God save the King. The EDL lad behind me finished the rendition with "No Surrender" which made me laugh.
Brother was getting a programme outside the Holte pub and a group of young lads coming up singing No Surrender to the IRA, what made me laugh one was wearing a half and half scarf
I guess it depends on the song. The one I hear them singing the most is The Fields of Athenry which is I suppose republican but how can anybody be offended about people singing about their ancestor’s being starved.
About 4 minutes before our third, they were singing some shite and part way through shouted 'I R A'. That's not about a famine, it's a direct provocation in a city that never got closure from IRA terrorism..
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Who would be offended by a republican song though apart from groupies of King Chuck. I think after years of colonialism and the following generational trauma a few songs are fair enough.
Not at a football match though. They're bound to antagonize some people. I couldn't hear what the Celtic fans were singing but assumed it was some republican song and is what started some numbers in the Holte singing God save the King. The EDL lad behind me finished the rendition with "No Surrender" which made me laugh.
Brother was getting a programme outside the Holte pub and a group of young lads coming up singing No Surrender to the IRA, what made me laugh one was wearing a half and half scarf
I guess it depends on the song. The one I hear them singing the most is The Fields of Athenry which is I suppose republican but how can anybody be offended about people singing about their ancestor’s being starved.
About 4 minutes before our third, they were singing some shite and part way through shouted 'I R A'. That's not about a famine, it's a direct provocation in a city that never got closure from IRA terrorism..
Without having heard the song/ lyrics (I watched in a pub) I think I broadly agree with you.
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Who would be offended by a republican song though apart from groupies of King Chuck. I think after years of colonialism and the following generational trauma a few songs are fair enough.
Not at a football match though. They're bound to antagonize some people. I couldn't hear what the Celtic fans were singing but assumed it was some republican song and is what started some numbers in the Holte singing God save the King. The EDL lad behind me finished the rendition with "No Surrender" which made me laugh.
Brother was getting a programme outside the Holte pub and a group of young lads coming up singing No Surrender to the IRA, what made me laugh one was wearing a half and half scarf
I guess it depends on the song. The one I hear them singing the most is The Fields of Athenry which is I suppose republican but how can anybody be offended about people singing about their ancestor’s being starved.
About 4 minutes before our third, they were singing some shite and part way through shouted 'I R A'. That's not about a famine, it's a direct provocation in a city that never got closure from IRA terrorism..
Without having heard the song/ lyrics (I watched in a pub) I think I broadly agree with you.
Unfortunately that will never change concerning both Glasgow clubs and include hearts in with them and also certain clubs in Northern Ireland
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Talking to a Celtic fan in the bullring shopping centre just,he named after Gary Shaw
Wha' ?
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Celtic fans could be banned from next Away game,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c8r53xe7mp0o
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Celtic fans could be banned from next Away game,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/c8r53xe7mp0o
It's a major problem with both clubs, think Celtic have been fined approximately 5 times by UEFA
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That is seriously appalling and embarssing behaviour. Thuggery at its best.
Celtic fans were warned though countless times not to sit with home fans. You always run the risk as some idiots will turn violent
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Exchanged pleasantries with a bloke as I walked from Aston station towards the ground we were remarking how it wasn’t as cold as we thought it might be. He was Scottish, not from Glasgow but Dunfermline. Goes to every Villa home game.
That is probably the same guy I remember talking to in Odense before an Intertoto game a few years back. He came to watch his home town club play a pre season friendly at Villa Park beginning of season 1969/70. He's been a fan ever since.
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Who would be offended by a republican song though apart from groupies of King Chuck. I think after years of colonialism and the following generational trauma a few songs are fair enough.
Not at a football match though. They're bound to antagonize some people. I couldn't hear what the Celtic fans were singing but assumed it was some republican song and is what started some numbers in the Holte singing God save the King. The EDL lad behind me finished the rendition with "No Surrender" which made me laugh.
Brother was getting a programme outside the Holte pub and a group of young lads coming up singing No Surrender to the IRA, what made me laugh one was wearing a half and half scarf
UVF/IRA?
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Who would be offended by a republican song though apart from groupies of King Chuck. I think after years of colonialism and the following generational trauma a few songs are fair enough.
Not at a football match though. They're bound to antagonize some people. I couldn't hear what the Celtic fans were singing but assumed it was some republican song and is what started some numbers in the Holte singing God save the King. The EDL lad behind me finished the rendition with "No Surrender" which made me laugh.
Brother was getting a programme outside the Holte pub and a group of young lads coming up singing No Surrender to the IRA, what made me laugh one was wearing a half and half scarf
UVF/IRA?
Team Ken / Team Mike (one for the ageing former Corrie watchers, there)
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I never went to the Hibs game but did go to the Celtic match, my lad went to both and says Hibs are still the best away fans he’s seen at VP, he’s 17 to give it some context
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They were already 5-0 down and out, so just treated it as the day out it was. Might have been a different story if it was the first leg or they were still in it. I was travelling back from Glasgow on the day and had to swap to the Edinburgh train halfway down. They were in high spirits then.
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They were already 5-0 down and out, so just treated it as the day out it was. Might have been a different story if it was the first leg or they were still in it. I was travelling back from Glasgow on the day and had to swap to the Edinburgh train halfway down. They were in high spirits then.
In fairness though the fact they were 5 down and still made a parade is pretty impressive
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They were already 5-0 down and out, so just treated it as the day out it was. Might have been a different story if it was the first leg or they were still in it. I was travelling back from Glasgow on the day and had to swap to the Edinburgh train halfway down. They were in high spirits then.
In fairness though the fact they were 5 down and still made a parade is pretty impressive
Some I spoke to had already bought match tickets, booked travel and hotels before the 5-0 first leg and then couldn't get their money back so decided to make it an experience. And IF they did get through, it was an experience they could say "they were there" for.
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The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
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Most of them were on RN white ensigns with AVFC incorporated. See them at most games.
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I never went to the Hibs game but did go to the Celtic match, my lad went to both and says Hibs are still the best away fans he’s seen at VP, he’s 17 to give it some context
Some people may not like the song and at the time some villa fans around me were booing, flicking the Vs etc, but 8-0 down on aggregate, a few mins left and lashing with rain, the Hibs fans belting out Sunshine on Leith, as one, is the best thing Ive ever heard from away fans at VP and Im nearly 51 and have been going forever
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Featuring Wee John McGinn not knowing the words.
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No better football club song. Bollocks to all that Rodgers and Hammerstein nonsense.
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Featuring Wee John McGinn not knowing the words.
Beat that. World class stuff.
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114 years they'd waited for that. I'm still delighted for them!
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Featuring Wee John McGinn not knowing the words.
Love that, really do.
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114 years they'd waited for that. I'm still delighted for them!
It was a great week.
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114 years they'd waited for that. I'm still delighted for them!
It was a great week.
I watched it in Croatia on my phone, thinking it was on the bar wi-fi. It wasn't, and I ended up with a bill of about £350 for it when I got back, I probably paid more to watch it than anyone in the stadium.
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Amazing when an entire song is belted out. So much better than a chorus being sung repetitively. Pity Villa don’t sing ghost riders in the sky with its full Villa lyrics from the seventies. Remember a guy in a bar in Stoke singing it, fantastic, so long ago I just can’t remember them, although something about a Bluenose pushing up daisies rings a bell.
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Go onto Facebook and suggest that having a Union Flag and waving it in the UK is offensive. I double dare you.
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I don't believe that it is offensive.
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Amazing when an entire song is belted out. So much better than a chorus being sung repetitively. Pity Villa don’t sing ghost riders in the sky with its full Villa lyrics from the seventies. Remember a guy in a bar in Stoke singing it, fantastic, so long ago I just can’t remember them, although something about a Bluenose pushing up daisies rings a bell.
The pushing up daisies line is from the one that begins “as I walked onto the steps of the Holte End…”.
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If Risso was still posting, this would be a great opportunity to wind him up saying that it's actually "The Union Flag".
It isn't.
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I never went to the Hibs game but did go to the Celtic match, my lad went to both and says Hibs are still the best away fans he’s seen at VP, he’s 17 to give it some context
Some people may not like the song and at the time some villa fans around me were booing, flicking the Vs etc, but 8-0 down on aggregate, a few mins left and lashing with rain, the Hibs fans belting out Sunshine on Leith, as one, is the best thing Ive ever heard from away fans at VP and Im nearly 51 and have been going forever
John-E's lad is right - they were magnificent.
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If Risso was still posting, this would be a great opportunity to wind him up saying that it's actually "The Union Flag".
It isn't.
Both terms, "Union Jack" and "Union Flag," are used to refer to the national flag of the United Kingdom. There is no definitive answer as to which term is correct, and both are widely accepted.
The term "Union Jack" is believed to have originated in the 17th century, when the flag was flown from the jack-staff of naval vessels. The term "Union Flag" is thought to have come into use later, in the 18th century.
Today, both terms are used interchangeably, although some people believe that "Union Jack" should only be used when the flag is flown from a ship.
The Flag Institute, the UK's national flag charity, has stated that both terms are correct and can be used interchangeably
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...although some people believe that "Union Jack" should only be used when the flag is flown from a ship.
And as cd hints at, such people should be mocked mercilessly.
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Featuring Wee John McGinn not knowing the words.
Beat that. World class stuff.
It's brilliant. A proper full on anthem is something we've been crying out for for years. I was listening to Albion fans singing The Lords My Shepherd recently and it was excruciating. They were looking for an anthem and chose that. It sounds so forced and totally not a football anthem.
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Said it before, Holte Enders In The Sky more than does the job for me. It's distinctive, it's Johnny Cash, it's hair-raising but a bit tongue-in-cheek (which is very us - leave the sentimental treacle to the Scousers), and it makes me think - as in the thread on this forum with the same name - of Villa fans of generations gone before us, the unbroken link back to the lamp post in 1874. If we can do all that in one musical phrase we don't need some poxy drawn-out song co-opted by the club higher-ups and blaring out of the tannoy. Let's keep that sort of thing where it belongs - at West Ham.
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Amazing when an entire song is belted out. So much better than a chorus being sung repetitively. Pity Villa don’t sing ghost riders in the sky with its full Villa lyrics from the seventies. Remember a guy in a bar in Stoke singing it, fantastic, so long ago I just can’t remember them, although something about a Bluenose pushing up daisies rings a bell.
The pushing up daisies line is from the one that begins “as I walked onto the steps of the Holte End…”.
Ghost Riders In The Sky - sung by Frankie Laine - was my Dad's favourite song ever.
He didn't know the Villa version but he was totally Aston Villa....Uncle Frank and his boys obviously, but also Pongo Waring, Frank Barson etc
When we sang HEITS years ago I sort of imagined it was somehow related with my Dad.
When we sing it now I can't help but think of him and we're all singing my Dad's favourite song.
He passed away 30 years ago this year, so thank you all so much when you sing it!
It's very special.
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Said it before, Holte Enders In The Sky more than does the job for me. It's distinctive, it's Johnny Cash, it's hair-raising but a bit tongue-in-cheek (which is very us - leave the sentimental treacle to the Scousers), and it makes me think - as in the thread on this forum with the same name - of Villa fans of generations gone before us, the unbroken link back to the lamp post in 1874. If we can do all that in one musical phrase we don't need some poxy drawn-out song co-opted by the club higher-ups and blaring out of the tannoy. Let's keep that sort of thing where it belongs - at West Ham.
Yes, it's an extremely fine line with 'club anthems' between spine tingling and vomit inducing.
Though West Ham's bubbles nonesense is nothing on their cross-arms Bros impersonations, the sad bastards.
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Featuring Wee John McGinn not knowing the words.
Love that, really do.
Featuring Wee John McGinn not knowing the words.
Love that, really do.
I play this every now and again, as an example of a proper football adopted anthem.
The context of the Hibs win over Rangers in the Cup, the whole of the Hibs lot staying to share the experience with the team, and them all singing it together gives me goosebumps! Brilliant!
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Said it before, Holte Enders In The Sky more than does the job for me. It's distinctive, it's Johnny Cash, it's hair-raising but a bit tongue-in-cheek (which is very us - leave the sentimental treacle to the Scousers), and it makes me think - as in the thread on this forum with the same name - of Villa fans of generations gone before us, the unbroken link back to the lamp post in 1874. If we can do all that in one musical phrase we don't need some poxy drawn-out song co-opted by the club higher-ups and blaring out of the tannoy. Let's keep that sort of thing where it belongs - at West Ham.
Perfect Monty.
I love it when we sing it on the Holte at any time, but for me there is something about a cold late afternoon in the winter with the floodlights on, its just evocative of everything you have said.
I also just love the simple gut wrenching emotion of Villa till I Die when the Holte are really on it.
The death theme resonates obviously
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Featuring Wee John McGinn not knowing the words.
Love that, really do.
Featuring Wee John McGinn not knowing the words.
Love that, really do.
I play this every now and again, as an example of a proper football adopted anthem.
The context of the Hibs win over Rangers in the Cup, the whole of the Hibs lot staying to share the experience with the team, and them all singing it together gives me goosebumps! Brilliant!
Water to my eyes!!
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Just why we've decided to play pre-recorded versions of songs baffles and pisses me off at the same time
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Go onto Facebook and suggest that having a Union Flag and waving it in the UK is offensive. I double dare you.
Think it's more of a shit stirring issue, same as if Rangers visited someone waving the Irish flag as happened last time we played them
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Go onto Facebook and suggest that having a Union Flag and waving it in the UK is offensive. I double dare you.
Think it's more of a shit stirring issue, same as if Rangers visited someone waving the Irish flag as happened last time we played them
Having read a lot of comments on this subject over the last couple of days I'm left thinking this. Are Celtic more Irish than Scottish? I mean watching them jigging to the Irish bands in Digbeth the other day I had to remind myself that they are actually a Scottish club.
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Celtic are the club of Weegies who enjoy pretending to be Irish.
As opposed to Rangers, we the club of Weegies who for psychologically complex reasons cosplay as English monarchists on their spare time.
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Go onto Facebook and suggest that having a Union Flag and waving it in the UK is offensive. I double dare you.
Think it's more of a shit stirring issue, same as if Rangers visited someone waving the Irish flag as happened last time we played them
Having read a lot of comments on this subject over the last couple of days I'm left thinking this. Are Celtic more Irish than Scottish? I mean watching them jigging to the Irish bands in Digbeth the other day I had to remind myself that they are actually a Scottish club.
I don't think so, it's more of the hatred of extreme loyalism towards Irish Catholics,my parents were Irish born one Northern Ireland one in the Republic of Ireland, I am English born, got a British passport and took the oath of allegiance to the late Queen Elizabeth, tried to enlist in the British army upon leaving school in 1975 but mum wouldn't sign the paperwork and she said I don't want you coming home in a box ,her brother's were ex army and royal navy previously, people have asked why don't I get a Irish passport because I can get one, but I am happy with my British passport.Being English obviously with my English accent, certain people let their guard down with making sectarian comments about Catholics especially when you have known them for years and truthfully when these comments were made it knocked me for six especially when you have elements of extreme loyalism involved and as I said would the same type of comment be made of our support from the ethic community, ironically as I took my seat in the Holte End on Wednesday I looked up and seen the Punjabi Villain banners containing the word devestity and questioned my birthright,in Scotland it is no different, unless you look for you don't realise how sectarianism is a serious issue towards Catholics, regarding such things still marching pass Catholic churches, killing a Catholic because he wore a Celtic shirt actually slit his throat, that may have happened twice but not one hundred percent sure, Rangers bouncy bouncy I believe is connected to a young lad killed by those from the loyalist community in Northern Ireland by jumping up and down on his head, the brother in law witnessed a young lad getting ten bells out of him many years ago outside the pub after a Celtic Rangers game, he intervened and the police turned up all of a sudden,he noticed the lad was wearing a Celtic top Niel Lennon getting bullets sent in the post after the Heart's game, another club connected with loyalism, can you imagine the up roar if this happened with the ethic community,oh it only Paddy it's not that important , that why especially in Glasgow it's a case of us against them because government aren't going to do anything else, I myself question my support for Aston Villa, but have now recovered , unless you have been on the recieving end of sectarianism it had to realise what it like, like many from the ethic population you question whether you belong, but I am English with Irish parents and here to stay, take away extreme loyalism and the issue of republicanism I believe will disappear, sorry it's a long post , should have added that many believe the conflict began in 1969 was a united Ireland thing but it was a actually civil rights issue which developed into a united Ireland cause
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Go onto Facebook and suggest that having a Union Flag and waving it in the UK is offensive. I double dare you.
Think it's more of a shit stirring issue, same as if Rangers visited someone waving the Irish flag as happened last time we played them
Having read a lot of comments on this subject over the last couple of days I'm left thinking this. Are Celtic more Irish than Scottish? I mean watching them jigging to the Irish bands in Digbeth the other day I had to remind myself that they are actually a Scottish club.
I don't think so, it's more of the hatred of extreme loyalism towards Irish Catholics,my parents were Irish born one Northern Ireland one in the Republic of Ireland, I am English born, got a British passport and took the oath of allegiance to the late Queen Elizabeth, tried to enlist in the British army upon leaving school in 1975 but mum wouldn't sign the paperwork and she said I don't want you coming home in a box ,her brother's were ex army and royal navy previously, people have asked why don't I get a Irish passport because I can get one, but I am happy with my British passport.Being English obviously with my English accent, certain people let their guard down with making sectarian comments about Catholics especially when you have known them for years and truthfully when these comments were made it knocked me for six especially when you have elements of extreme loyalism involved and as I said would the same type of comment be made of our support from the ethic community, ironically as I took my seat in the Holte End on Wednesday I looked up and seen the Punjabi Villain banners containing the word devestity and questioned my birthright,in Scotland it is no different, unless you look for you don't realise how sectarianism is a serious issue towards Catholics, regarding such things still marching pass Catholic churches, killing a Catholic because he wore a Celtic shirt actually slit his throat, that may have happened twice but not one hundred percent sure, Rangers bouncy bouncy I believe is connected to a young lad killed by those from the loyalist community in Northern Ireland by jumping up and down on his head, the brother in law witnessed a young lad getting ten bells out of him many years ago outside the pub after a Celtic Rangers game, he intervened and the police turned up all of a sudden,he noticed the lad was wearing a Celtic top Niel Lennon getting bullets sent in the post after the Heart's game, another club connected with loyalism, can you imagine the up roar if this happened with the ethic community,oh it only Paddy it's not that important , that why especially in Glasgow it's a case of us against them because government aren't going to do anything else, I myself question my support for Aston Villa, but have now recovered , unless you have been on the recieving end of sectarianism it had to realise what it like, like many from the ethic population you question whether you belong, but I am English with Irish parents and here to stay, take away extreme loyalism and the issue of republicanism I believe will disappear, sorry it's a long post , should have added that many believe the conflict began in 1969 was a united Ireland thing but it was a actually civil rights issue which developed into a united Ireland cause
I think I should add that we were in Benidorm when Scotland were playing Spain many years ago, some young people from Inverness were in the same hotel approximately 15 of them with the majority Rangers supporters and one Celtic, also joining in the company was a man living in Stoke and constantly spouting on he was from the SHANKILL many times and going on about the SHANKILL butchers,my wife from the bogside of Londonderry so he kept repeating it, but give the older person in charge of these young Scottish told him basically shut the fuck up we including him don't want to hear that shit, the young lads were a credit to Scotland and their parents and gave me hope for the future of both communities, just thought I added this to balance up the previous comment
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Go onto Facebook and suggest that having a Union Flag and waving it in the UK is offensive. I double dare you.
Think it's more of a shit stirring issue, same as if Rangers visited someone waving the Irish flag as happened last time we played them
poor late Shaun
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21 arrests, 19 of them Celtic.
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21 arrests, 19 of them Celtic.
Have any of our lot on that video been found/arrested yet?
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Using republican songs is wrong in any context
Why?
Maybe I should have been clearer. Where it's intention is solely to cause offence.
The various Union Jacks there last night which aren't normally brought to Villa matches presumably were also only there to cause offence though.
Go onto Facebook and suggest that having a Union Flag and waving it in the UK is offensive. I double dare you.
Think it's more of a shit stirring issue, same as if Rangers visited someone waving the Irish flag as happened last time we played them
poor late Shaun
If Rangers are waving the Irish flag then there might be some friendly fire.
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https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=2319212271770588
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https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=2319212271770588
And they could have all been tucking into a Villa Chippy Special , if only they knew the local cuisine B6 .