Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2025, 09:24:18 PM
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Post by: Witton Warrior on January 15, 2025, 09:25:59 PM
Win!
Ollie scores!
Happiness
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2025, 09:26:06 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on January 15, 2025, 09:26:30 PM
Needed that. Shame we didn't use the match to get back into positive GD but the points were the main thing.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 15, 2025, 09:26:58 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on January 15, 2025, 09:27:03 PM
Afterwards we seemed to let Everton drag us down to their level. They are a truly atrocious team.
Still, a wins a win.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 15, 2025, 09:27:13 PM
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Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 15, 2025, 09:27:49 PM
Relatively solid performance.
Clean sheet.
Loads of games left.
Sad to think we'll never visit Goodison again as our win rate there is really good. I hope we do as well at the new ground.
Post by: AV82EC on January 15, 2025, 09:28:11 PM
Post by: DB on January 15, 2025, 09:28:28 PM
Clean sheet and a win, excellent
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2025, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 15, 2025, 09:29:02 PM
But good to see Kamara and Mings in there when it's a bit of a dogfight.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2025, 09:29:15 PM
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Post by: django on January 15, 2025, 09:29:45 PM
It’s much more enjoyable pondering that after a win though.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 15, 2025, 09:30:26 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on January 15, 2025, 09:32:27 PM
Post by: LeeS on January 15, 2025, 09:32:39 PM
Post by: Nev on January 15, 2025, 09:32:49 PM
Mings generally good, Bouba exemplary, pleased for Watkins and for Emi getting the clean sheet.
Everton by far the worst team I've seen this season and let's hope that habit of the fans squealing everytime the opposition go within 10 ft of one of their players is taken to the new place. It's a grand old tradition.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 15, 2025, 09:33:14 PM
Kamara was excellent and my motm. I know mings made a few errors but i thought he was brilliant
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2025, 09:33:19 PM
Post by: CT Villan on January 15, 2025, 09:35:37 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 15, 2025, 09:36:10 PM
Bosh. That’ll do
Post by: Beard82 on January 15, 2025, 09:37:31 PM
Brilliant to see us get a clean sheet, and take the 3 points away from home despite being far from our best.
Well done to Ollie, especially after his miss. Though Rogers and Onnana were good but Kamara was great. Mings and Konsa looked pretty comfortable against a physical team. Digne and Cash were ok, without offering too much going forward.
Well done all
Post by: Pete3206 on January 15, 2025, 09:37:36 PM
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Post by: usav on January 15, 2025, 09:38:26 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 15, 2025, 09:38:58 PM
Never in doubt, total control for 90 mins and other than a couple of nervy moments job done. Oh and a clean sheet.
Exactly how I saw it…Kamara magnificent again
Post by: Demitri_C on January 15, 2025, 09:39:01 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 15, 2025, 09:39:09 PM
I do wonder why someone who has been making regular subs to ensure certain players didn't burn out decided we needed barely no subs this time around, and played Ollie for 90mins for the fourth game straight. Duran would have caused them some problems at the end I felt.
There wasn't much he could have done really. Not too many options in midfield and maybe Duran or Bailey but that's it.
Good win though and a clean sheet is always welcome.
Post by: Steve67 on January 15, 2025, 09:39:39 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2025, 09:39:40 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2025, 09:40:28 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2025, 09:40:52 PM
Any link to the goal please?
Here you go mate
https://x.com/tekkersfoot/status/1879629627544477913?s=46
Post by: Woody17 on January 15, 2025, 09:41:27 PM
A win is a win, is a win.
We’re not convincing at all but we are still picking up points and in 7th position.
What a strange season this is. UTV.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 15, 2025, 09:41:29 PM
Any link to the goal please?
Be fast, will be striked soon.
https://x.com/tekkersfoot/status/1879629627544477913
Post by: Steve67 on January 15, 2025, 09:41:37 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 15, 2025, 09:41:51 PM
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Post by: eamonn on January 15, 2025, 09:43:11 PM
There's definitely a good team in us, we just over-elaborate at times. Hope we click into gear in the second half of the season. If we do, there's a top three/four place up for grabs.
Post by: Steve67 on January 15, 2025, 09:43:22 PM
Any link to the goal please?
Be fast, will be striked soon.
https://x.com/tekkersfoot/status/1879629627544477913
Ta mate
Post by: Taylor on January 15, 2025, 09:44:07 PM
I do wonder why someone who has been making regular subs to ensure certain players didn't burn out decided we needed barely no subs this time around, and played Ollie for 90mins for the fourth game straight. Duran would have caused them some problems at the end I felt.Saving him for the Arse. Or Monaco.
Post by: PhilVill on January 15, 2025, 09:45:09 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2025, 09:48:23 PM
Anybody else see the `Make Everton Great Again`hats in the crowd. Pathetic and wrong in so many ways. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that such a gobshite bunch of fans would find that OK.
Give it time. They’ll be singing “Everton are White”.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 15, 2025, 09:49:19 PM
Anybody else see the `Make Everton Great Again`hats in the crowd. Pathetic and wrong in so many ways. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that such a gobshite bunch of fans would find that OK.
American owners now so probably felt that was ok.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 15, 2025, 09:50:40 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 15, 2025, 09:50:56 PM
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on January 15, 2025, 09:51:03 PM
Anybody else see the `Make Everton Great Again`hats in the crowd. Pathetic and wrong in so many ways. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that such a gobshite bunch of fans would find that OK.How do you 'Make Anything Great Again' by wearing a £2:99 cap made by a kid in a sweatshop in the Far East? ..
Post by: caster troy on January 15, 2025, 09:56:01 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on January 15, 2025, 10:00:17 PM
So pleased he’s back!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 15, 2025, 10:01:47 PM
I feel sorry for Everton getting Moyes back. It could be worse, he could have gone and worked for the Samaritans.
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 15, 2025, 10:02:33 PM
Mings, Onana & Kamara outstanding.
Post by: Legion on January 15, 2025, 10:02:58 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2025, 10:05:29 PM
I couldn’t watch the second half but in the first it looked like Emery was back to his first system with us again. Kamara dropping into the back three in possession. I noticed he tried it in the second half v West Ham too, possibly he’s realised we need to do it when Torres is out.
Yep, Cash was getting much further forward as a result and he had another decent game.
I think the impact of Mings on how we defend was clear tonight, he's just so much better at stepping up and winning the ball, both in the air and through pressing aggressively. He lacks the quality and finesse of Torres but in games like that where all they have to offer is aggression and physicality having someone just shut them down really helps.
Post by: eye digress on January 15, 2025, 10:08:14 PM
I do wonder why someone who has been making regular subs to ensure certain players didn't burn out decided we needed barely no subs this time around, and played Ollie for 90mins for the fourth game straight. Duran would have caused them some problems at the end I felt.Thought that too. The tide of the game turned against us from around 70 mins… was imploring Unai to make a few changes.
Post by: Nelly on January 15, 2025, 10:10:13 PM
Kamara was a monster today, he was so busy, set off a lot of moves for us, tidied up some of our loose play. Gigantic. I also though Cash did well. Ramsay and Buendia, I'm sure more will come from them both.
With the history that Villa and Everton have, I would have just about forgiven them for winning today, but sack that - we won our last ever game at their ground. That'll stand forever.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 15, 2025, 10:14:52 PM
Everton are an incredibly poor side and if Ipswich can string some results together if could be between Everton & Wolves for the last relegation spot.
Anyway, we haven’t played really well since Brentford at home, but we are massively in the mix for the top four.
We will have to retain possession better on Saturday though.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 15, 2025, 10:15:48 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2025, 10:19:14 PM
So glad we've won again! Really grateful. This could be a very special season, even though we're probably about two gears below our top. I think Unai might be thinking "season management" more than game management currently.
It might prove to be an important win, conceding yet another late equaliser could really have set us back.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 15, 2025, 10:20:47 PM
I wish them relegated. It’s time.
Me too.
1..Sick of hearing about it being the most played fixture.
2..They`ve been stinking the league out for years.
3..Perfect timing to get relegated as they move to a new stadium. Coventry did the same and have never come back.
4..Their fans are gobshites.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 15, 2025, 10:21:00 PM
I remember when we were disappointed that we didn’t get Moyes in as manager. I know he’s had his good times but by God his play is turgid.
Moyes is another dyche type. This is why i don't understand the appointment
Post by: Gareth on January 15, 2025, 10:23:00 PM
I remember when we were disappointed that we didn’t get Moyes in as manager. I know he’s had his good times but by God his play is turgid.
I certainly wanted him in back in the day but not sure he can be blamed for that performance - basically if they get a competent striker in they’ll just about survive, if they spend the rest of the season with Calvert-Lewin and Beto they’ll struggle to get 5 goals out of the front line and will struggle. Hopefully the latter will be true….
Post by: Monty on January 15, 2025, 10:23:10 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 15, 2025, 10:37:13 PM
Our position in the table is starting to look healthy and we've opened up a bit of a gap from those occupying the mid-table positions now.
Post by: john e on January 15, 2025, 10:40:20 PM
glad of the 3 points
another piss poor performance though against a piss poor side
we are better than this
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 15, 2025, 10:45:41 PM
Got to say Everton look awful. I think they are in big trouble.
They were dreadful on the ball but off the ball I thought they stopped us playing our normal game. They’ll probably scrape enough points against bottom half teams to stay up - as usual!
Post by: andyh on January 15, 2025, 10:52:04 PM
New contract please.
Mings, despite a couple of mistakes was exactly what we needed tonight. That was a hard physical battle and he was commanding in the air, as we needed.
He is still off being 100% ‘match fit’ but he is getting there.
Oh, get well soon boss. You looked and sounded ill before the game and even worse after.
Post by: mrfuse on January 15, 2025, 10:53:44 PM
Kamara is a Rolls Royce player he makes everything look effortless.
Post by: rob_bridge on January 15, 2025, 10:54:51 PM
If you're sick of hearing about how Villa-Everton is the most played fixture, just wait and see how you feel about the commentary surrounding the the fixture waiting in the wings to replace it.
Yeah - I can think of a lot worse.
Post by: Legion on January 15, 2025, 11:02:46 PM
If you're sick of hearing about how Villa-Everton is the most played fixture, just wait and see how you feel about the commentary surrounding the the fixture waiting in the wings to replace it.
Which is?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2025, 11:06:07 PM
If you're sick of hearing about how Villa-Everton is the most played fixture, just wait and see how you feel about the commentary surrounding the the fixture waiting in the wings to replace it.
Which is?
Think it's Yanited-Arsenal, then Liverpool-Everton.
Post by: Beard82 on January 15, 2025, 11:06:43 PM
Its hard to overstate how important he is to us, and how good he is.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2025, 11:08:24 PM
If you're sick of hearing about how Villa-Everton is the most played fixture, just wait and see how you feel about the commentary surrounding the the fixture waiting in the wings to replace it.
Which is?
Think it's Yanited-Arsenal, then Liverpool-Everton.
Just checked, and those two fixtures are joint second.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2025, 11:09:14 PM
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1879664864664473743?s=46
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 15, 2025, 11:12:15 PM
Thought Ramsey played well and offered a threat, hope he can stay fit as he’ll be a big player in the second half of the season. He should have scored as should Watkins but pleased with the result and clean sheet on first half’s showing.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 15, 2025, 11:15:45 PM
The booking clipped Onana’s wings. And, as pointed out by others, the Banshee like screeching from Everton fans every time we got anywhere near Everton players was very odd. What’s wrong with them?
Post by: Matt C on January 15, 2025, 11:16:16 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 15, 2025, 11:22:57 PM
Kamara is so important to us. Outstanding reading of the game. There’s nobody else in our squad who’d have the nous to be back on the line to prevent DCL’s effort creeping in. Nobody!
The booking clipped Onana’s wings. And, as pointed out by others, the Banshee like screeching from Everton fans every time we got anywhere near Everton players was very odd. What’s wrong with them?
i guess when you are that dire , you clasp at anything for something positive
Post by: Mellin on January 15, 2025, 11:28:50 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 15, 2025, 11:32:53 PM
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13289785/everton-0-1-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
Have only seen these highlights but there was some sitters missed there. Ramsey's one was as bad as any of them. Lucky escape at end, Mings makes a bit of a hash of the header, Digne is asleep for the second ball and DCL is allowed run unchecked to the front post.
But...three points.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 15, 2025, 11:49:36 PM
Kamara is so important to us. Outstanding reading of the game. There’s nobody else in our squad who’d have the nous to be back on the line to prevent DCL’s effort creeping in. Nobody!
The booking clipped Onana’s wings. And, as pointed out by others, the Banshee like screeching from Everton fans every time we got anywhere near Everton players was very odd. What’s wrong with them?
i guess when you are that dire , you clasp at anything for something positive
Everton fans have been like that as long as I remember. Screaming for penalties or handball every thirty seconds.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2025, 11:50:15 PM
Have only seen these highlights but there was some sitters missed there. Ramsey's one was as bad as any of them. Lucky escape at end, Mings makes a bit of a hash of the header, Digne is asleep for the second ball and DCL is allowed run unchecked to the front post.
But...three points.
Agreed, I thought JJ's was a worse miss than Ollie's. In fairness to DCL at the end, the ball was bouncing and had plenty of spin on it.
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 15, 2025, 11:56:02 PM
This was exactly the same game as when we won there in January 2022. Should've scored more and they hardly threatened apart from the Calvert Lewin change right at the end.
I think they're going this time so sad farewell for Goodison.
We played this match in second gear and can't remember the last time we only made one sub in the game so clearly plenty of focus and energy conservation ahead of Arsenal and Monte Carlo.
Table dosen't look so bad now does it? This season is not finished in the league by a long way.
Post by: The Edge on January 16, 2025, 12:03:00 AM
I don't think they've always been that bad but they took it to the next level tonight. Howling and screaming at almost every decision just seems so desperate. Imagine the ignonimity of playing their first game at their spanking new stadium in the championship?Kamara is so important to us. Outstanding reading of the game. There’s nobody else in our squad who’d have the nous to be back on the line to prevent DCL’s effort creeping in. Nobody!
The booking clipped Onana’s wings. And, as pointed out by others, the Banshee like screeching from Everton fans every time we got anywhere near Everton players was very odd. What’s wrong with them?
i guess when you are that dire , you clasp at anything for something positive
Everton fans have been like that as long as I remember. Screaming for penalties or handball every thirty seconds.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 16, 2025, 12:09:17 AM
Claret shorts. Nailed on victory.
I’m just glad that after all these years we have finally got proper claret. It looks class and even better with proper claret shorts.
Post by: Martyn Smith on January 16, 2025, 12:25:52 AM
I don't think they've always been that bad but they took it to the next level tonight. Howling and screaming at almost every decision just seems so desperate. Imagine the ignonimity of playing their first game at their spanking new stadium in the championship?Kamara is so important to us. Outstanding reading of the game. There’s nobody else in our squad who’d have the nous to be back on the line to prevent DCL’s effort creeping in. Nobody!
The booking clipped Onana’s wings. And, as pointed out by others, the Banshee like screeching from Everton fans every time we got anywhere near Everton players was very odd. What’s wrong with them?
i guess when you are that dire , you clasp at anything for something positive
Everton fans have been like that as long as I remember. Screaming for penalties or handball every thirty seconds.
Nah, they'll successfully circle the drain once more
I never went to Goodison
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2025, 02:14:42 AM
Post by: Hillbilly on January 16, 2025, 03:13:17 AM
Everton are an incredibly poor side and if Ipswich can string some results together if could be between Everton & Wolves for the last relegation spot.
Man Utd aren't out of it. Please please pleeeeeease.
Post by: pelty on January 16, 2025, 04:30:50 AM
Five wins out of last eight league games.
Relatively solid performance.
Clean sheet.
Loads of games left.
Sad to think we'll never visit Goodison again as our win rate there is really good. I hope we do as well at the new ground.
What are the odds that Match Day 1 next year will be Everton v. Aston Villa? Probably nailed on.
Post by: ROBBO on January 16, 2025, 04:59:36 AM
Post by: KevinGage on January 16, 2025, 05:45:29 AM
It's harder when they sit on Onana or whoever and know the ball will come back to them. He's a good age to improve, and maybe that's the plan. Plus he's missed a fair few games already through injury during his short stint with us, so there's that. But either he needs to show improvement accepting the ball deep and getting passes off.
Or we need to consider him more of a box to box type and sign someone to do what Luiz was doing for us throughout 2022 and 2023.
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 16, 2025, 05:59:44 AM
If you're sick of hearing about how Villa-Everton is the most played fixture, just wait and see how you feel about the commentary surrounding the the fixture waiting in the wings to replace it.This is the absolute truth. Thank God for this fixture. long may it continue.
Post by: KevinGage on January 16, 2025, 06:21:06 AM
The club, that is (the fans have always been a bit odd/ SHA vibes).
Games against them usually feel like they mean summat.
Sure, if they're down for a few years there's more chance we can outstrip them for total time in the top flight.
But if they did drop it could be ruinous. I'd rather be playing these and Forest etc rather than some of the dreck that's come up in recent seasons.
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 16, 2025, 06:28:28 AM
Unai talking sense there, better 1st half but couldn't control the game 2nd half. For me our biggest drop off from last season is our game management
What i find weird is, we do more or less control things, but when we score it's like a switch gets flicked - we can no longer pass the ball to teammates, players make basic technical errors and the result is we invite pressure.
I wish we'd up the intensity a notch after we score instead, put teams to the sword.
Post by: LeeS on January 16, 2025, 06:29:39 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 16, 2025, 06:46:41 AM
I remember when we were disappointed that we didn’t get Moyes in as manager. I know he’s had his good times but by God his play is turgid.We?
No way, I can’t stand the blokes 1 dimensional football.
Post by: Nelly on January 16, 2025, 06:50:37 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 16, 2025, 07:38:42 AM
What's lacking is - to state the obvious - clinical finishing.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 16, 2025, 07:56:56 AM
Did Rogers play on the right?
Post by: Mister E on January 16, 2025, 07:59:13 AM
Only half watched as was busy.Yes; played okay, with a wonderful pass for the goal. Defended / covered Cash well.
Did Rogers play on the right?
Post by: john e on January 16, 2025, 08:22:16 AM
Unai talking sense there, better 1st half but couldn't control the game 2nd half. For me our biggest drop off from last season is our game management
What i find weird is, we do more or less control things, but when we score it's like a switch gets flicked - we can no longer pass the ball to teammates, players make basic technical errors and the result is we invite pressure.
I wish we'd up the intensity a notch after we score instead, put teams to the sword.
Yep also my thoughts exactly
Post by: The Edge on January 16, 2025, 08:27:24 AM
I thought he had a decent game probably 7/10 but was hampered on the right by Ndiaye who constantly battled with him which limited his amount of ball carrying runs. He did manage to get away a few times one of which was crucial when he played a lovely pass to set up Ollie's goal. Ndiaye was a thorn in our side all night and was the main reason Cash had a bit of a poor game. I like Ndiaye he's quick he's strong and seems to come out with the ball almost every time when he goes into scrap. One to watch.Only half watched as was busy.Yes; played okay, with a wonderful pass for the goal. Defended / covered Cash well.
Did Rogers play on the right?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 16, 2025, 08:28:10 AM
Five wins out of last eight league games.
Relatively solid performance.
Clean sheet.
Loads of games left.
Sad to think we'll never visit Goodison again as our win rate there is really good. I hope we do as well at the new ground.
What are the odds that Match Day 1 next year will be Everton v. Aston Villa? Probably nailed on.
Not nailed on given there's a fair chance Everton are in a different division to us
Post by: The Edge on January 16, 2025, 08:30:49 AM
And we would have be drawn out to play Everton away in our first match of the season. Pretty long odds if you ask me.Five wins out of last eight league games.
Relatively solid performance.
Clean sheet.
Loads of games left.
Sad to think we'll never visit Goodison again as our win rate there is really good. I hope we do as well at the new ground.
What are the odds that Match Day 1 next year will be Everton v. Aston Villa? Probably nailed on.
Not nailed on given there's a fair chance Everton are in a different division to us
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 16, 2025, 08:31:28 AM
Unai talking sense there, better 1st half but couldn't control the game 2nd half. For me our biggest drop off from last season is our game management
What i find weird is, we do more or less control things, but when we score it's like a switch gets flicked - we can no longer pass the ball to teammates, players make basic technical errors and the result is we invite pressure.
I wish we'd up the intensity a notch after we score instead, put teams to the sword.
Yep also my thoughts exactly
We should have been winning at half time then came out like we meant business second half and got the goal. Then, we went to pieces (relatively speaking). I know the psychology of holding a lead is naturally more stressful but it really felt like we made it difficult for ourselves. I said at 73 mins no way we don't concede. Delighted to be proved wrong but can't help feeling that's down to Everton being dreadful in front of goal as much as anything.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 16, 2025, 08:34:25 AM
If you're sick of hearing about how Villa-Everton is the most played fixture, just wait and see how you feel about the commentary surrounding the the fixture waiting in the wings to replace it.This is the absolute truth. Thank God for this fixture. long may it continue.
Arsenal v Man Utd is not the most played top flight fixture after Villa v Everton. They were both shit in the time we were hoovering up trophies so played 20 games in the second tier.
Post by: The Edge on January 16, 2025, 08:46:46 AM
So which is the next most played top flight fixture? I've no idea but a stab in the dark would be Arsenal v Everton.If you're sick of hearing about how Villa-Everton is the most played fixture, just wait and see how you feel about the commentary surrounding the the fixture waiting in the wings to replace it.This is the absolute truth. Thank God for this fixture. long may it continue.
Arsenal v Man Utd is not the most played top flight fixture after Villa v Everton. They were both shit in the time we were hoovering up trophies so played 20 games in the second tier.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 16, 2025, 08:47:45 AM
Post by: Rigadon on January 16, 2025, 08:48:52 AM
I’ve got a lot of time for Everton. The club, the history (far richer history than Jonny come lately pretenders like Spurs and Newcastle) decent support through thin and thin and I’ve some great memories of seeing some brilliant Villa games up there. And we’re about to lose another wonderful sample of Archibald Leitch architecture when that ground is knocked down. Fuck em last night though, a win’s a win and I’ll take it any way it comes.
I'd agree if they didn't have the whiniest home support in the universe.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 16, 2025, 08:59:33 AM
If you're sick of hearing about how Villa-Everton is the most played fixture, just wait and see how you feel about the commentary surrounding the the fixture waiting in the wings to replace it.This is the absolute truth. Thank God for this fixture. long may it continue.
Arsenal v Man Utd is not the most played top flight fixture after Villa v Everton. They were both shit in the time we were hoovering up trophies so played 20 games in the second tier.
Shared seasons in top flight
107 Everton v us
106 Everton v Liverpool
104 Everton v Arsenal
99 Arsenal v Liverpool
96 Arsenal v Man Utd
93 Arsenal v us
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 16, 2025, 09:08:54 AM
Unai seems to have found a knack of grinding out results without going hell for leather each game, which I think is starting to reap rewards. It's almost feels like we're playing last season backwards.
Ollie full of running last night, and you could see what that goal meant to him. I'd wager he goes on a run now, starting with terrorising the gooners at the weekend. As others have said, Kamara is critical to us. He needs tying down immediately.
Also a special shoutout to Matty Cash. He didn't stop running last night, and looks to have regained an extra yard of pace. Hopefully, that bout of niggly injuries is behind him.
*And the Villa Faithful last night. Immense!
Onto Arsenal. UTV
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 16, 2025, 09:17:58 AM
The second I saw those claret shorts and socks, it was a nailed on 3pts.
One for the nerds but apparently last night’s all claret kit was the 7th different claret/blue/white variation of the home and white away kit we’ve worn in the premier league this season.
Post by: darren woolley on January 16, 2025, 09:19:54 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 09:39:11 AM
It sounds fairly straightforward for a centre half but we've been so badly lacking in that area this season.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 16, 2025, 09:42:26 AM
I thought Mings was excellent again, he basically shut down their one method of attack by just heading everything away.
It sounds fairly straightforward for a centre half but we've been so badly lacking in that area this season.
I agree, but he does affect our ability to play out. I just want a Mings/Pau hybrid. Is that too much to ask?
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 09:51:25 AM
I thought Mings was excellent again, he basically shut down their one method of attack by just heading everything away.
It sounds fairly straightforward for a centre half but we've been so badly lacking in that area this season.
I agree, but he does affect our ability to play out. I just want a Mings/Pau hybrid. Is that too much to ask?
I don't think Pau has been good enough this season for the trade off to work.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 16, 2025, 09:51:26 AM
Objectively, an Everton relegation would clearly be more exciting than the promoted three going straight back down for the second season in a row, though I would be happier getting rid of Man U or, more realistically, Wolves, given the choice.
Post by: LeeS on January 16, 2025, 09:51:59 AM
I thought Mings was excellent again, he basically shut down their one method of attack by just heading everything away.
It sounds fairly straightforward for a centre half but we've been so badly lacking in that area this season.
I agree, but he does affect our ability to play out. I just want a Mings/Pau hybrid. Is that too much to ask?
Sergio Ramos is still playing…
Post by: Gareth on January 16, 2025, 09:54:03 AM
I thought Mings was excellent again, he basically shut down their one method of attack by just heading everything away.
It sounds fairly straightforward for a centre half but we've been so badly lacking in that area this season.
I agree, but he does affect our ability to play out. I just want a Mings/Pau hybrid. Is that too much to ask?
I said the same thing last night, we miss Pau’s distribution of the ball but look so much more solid with Mings in there. Could they play as a two? Would either being right side compromise them? Could we go with a back 3?
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 09:55:28 AM
I don't really have that much of a problem with Everton, but selling "Make Everton Great Again" hats? Fuck off. For a club with a somewhat dodgy record of racism back in the day, co-opting the slogan of a Nazi prick isn't a good look.
Objectively, an Everton relegation would clearly be more exciting than the promoted three going straight back down for the second season in a row, though I would be happier getting rid of Man U or, more realistically, Wolves, given the choice.
A city rather than just the club itself, though that aspect gets swept under the carpet.
Post by: The Edge on January 16, 2025, 09:57:55 AM
Great stats. Nice one.If you're sick of hearing about how Villa-Everton is the most played fixture, just wait and see how you feel about the commentary surrounding the the fixture waiting in the wings to replace it.This is the absolute truth. Thank God for this fixture. long may it continue.
Arsenal v Man Utd is not the most played top flight fixture after Villa v Everton. They were both shit in the time we were hoovering up trophies so played 20 games in the second tier.
Shared seasons in top flight
107 Everton v us
106 Everton v Liverpool
104 Everton v Arsenal
99 Arsenal v Liverpool
96 Arsenal v Man Utd
93 Arsenal v us
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 16, 2025, 09:58:18 AM
I thought Mings was excellent again, he basically shut down their one method of attack by just heading everything away.
It sounds fairly straightforward for a centre half but we've been so badly lacking in that area this season.
I agree, but he does affect our ability to play out. I just want a Mings/Pau hybrid. Is that too much to ask?
I don't think Pau has been good enough this season for the trade off to work.
I don’t completely agree with that, Pau has been really good in plenty of games, but nowhere near as consistent as last season.
I think we’ll have to change stuff tactically if Mings is there for the rest of the season.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 16, 2025, 09:59:40 AM
I thought Mings was excellent again, he basically shut down their one method of attack by just heading everything away.
It sounds fairly straightforward for a centre half but we've been so badly lacking in that area this season.
I agree, but he does affect our ability to play out. I just want a Mings/Pau hybrid. Is that too much to ask?
I said the same thing last night, we miss Pau’s distribution of the ball but look so much more solid with Mings in there. Could they play as a two? Would either being right side compromise them? Could we go with a back 3?
I been asking this for a while now. Unai clearly doesntvthink so otherwise he would have played it. I think they could be awesome partnership on paper.
Mings is getting on now in his 30s but its quite clear we need a CB in mould of him long term in the next few years
Its not a suprise we keep a clean sheet when mings plays. If he didnt hav ethat brain fart moment vs brugges we would have kept a clean sheet in that game too
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 10:04:07 AM
Post by: eye digress on January 16, 2025, 10:18:15 AM
To go against the grain, I don't mind Everton.Proper club, proper ground, fans aren't brilliant but then, not everyone can support Villa, right?
The club, that is (the fans have always been a bit odd/ SHA vibes).
Post by: eye digress on January 16, 2025, 10:23:06 AM
I’ve got a lot of time for Everton. The club, the history (far richer history than Jonny come lately pretenders like Spurs and Newcastle) decent support through thin and thin and I’ve some great memories of seeing some brilliant Villa games up there. And we’re about to lose another wonderful example of Archibald Leitch architecture when that ground is knocked down. Fuck em last night though, a win’s a win and I’ll take it any way it comes.Exactly with you on that. Proper club, proper ground, proper fans. Fuck 'em.
Post by: Monty on January 16, 2025, 10:27:30 AM
Like I say, petty, and hardly a major sin - it's just when you watch it you can't help thinking 'how fucking Everton is this'.
Post by: john e on January 16, 2025, 10:32:59 AM
Against West Ham in the cup We were woeful in the first half as bad as anything I’ve seen, second half was better but even then we had a 20 minute spell which won us the game
If I’m honest, I think we’ve been poor this year, but we’re still in a great position in the league, so I’m looking for improvement in our general play. Hopefully new players will help
In fact I still think our best two performances excluding Champions League have been 2 games We lost Arsenal at home and Liverpool away
I suppose it’s all about points though as they’re the only thing that wins prizes
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 16, 2025, 10:35:38 AM
Post by: ez on January 16, 2025, 10:36:48 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 16, 2025, 10:46:20 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2025, 10:48:33 AM
Claret shorts. Nailed on victory.
I wore my claret socks, pants and t-shirt last night. I think that's the clincher.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 16, 2025, 10:50:31 AM
I don't really have that much of a problem with Everton, but selling "Make Everton Great Again" hats? Fuck off. For a club with a somewhat dodgy record of racism back in the day, co-opting the slogan of a Nazi prick isn't a good look.
Objectively, an Everton relegation would clearly be more exciting than the promoted three going straight back down for the second season in a row, though I would be happier getting rid of Man U or, more realistically, Wolves, given the choice.
A city rather than just the club itself, though that aspect gets swept under the carpet.
Nah, both. They used to sing "Everton are white" when they were the last team to have any Black players.
I think they're better now, as is the city in general. But those hats make you wonder.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 16, 2025, 10:54:36 AM
Nah, both. They used to sing "Everton are white" when they were the last team to have any Black players.
I think they're better now, as is the city in general. But those hats make you wonder.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/jan/07/race.world
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 10:56:39 AM
I don't really have that much of a problem with Everton, but selling "Make Everton Great Again" hats? Fuck off. For a club with a somewhat dodgy record of racism back in the day, co-opting the slogan of a Nazi prick isn't a good look.
Objectively, an Everton relegation would clearly be more exciting than the promoted three going straight back down for the second season in a row, though I would be happier getting rid of Man U or, more realistically, Wolves, given the choice.
A city rather than just the club itself, though that aspect gets swept under the carpet.
Nah, both. They used to sing "Everton are white" when they were the last team to have any Black players.
Oh I know, but Liverpool's record with black players was not much better, and the city itself seemed almost segregated to me.
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2025, 11:10:39 AM
Post by: Nev on January 16, 2025, 11:13:23 AM
I recall Howard Gayle having a tough time of it over the park at Anfield decades ago, I think he wrote about it in a book.
Liverpool is a great City, I'm up there at the weekend for a works do, but it has always come across as a rather insular place, unified and parochial which can sometimes be misconstrued as unwelcoming.
Post by: Villa Lew on January 16, 2025, 11:15:15 AM
Full credit to the ref for standing up to the Everton players trying to get Onana sent off. it was never a 2nd yellow, but I did think Unai should have subbed him after that and also couldn't understand Unai not giving big Jhon any game time.
Quality from Morgan and Ollie for the goal and I thought Boubacar was outstanding and Tyrone a defensive giant.
Re Everton really hope they stay up, I'm proud that Villa v Everton is the most played match in top flight football, the Sky 6 fans must hate it, whenever the commentators mention it.
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2025, 11:18:06 AM
Post by: Clampy on January 16, 2025, 11:26:09 AM
It may not be the last we've seen of Goodison. FA Cup quarter final, 25 years on from Carbone winning the same tie for us there...
Merson wasn't it?
Post by: Dick Edwards on January 16, 2025, 11:31:07 AM
Post by: Baldy on January 16, 2025, 11:41:22 AM
I'm guessing, but about 85% of our possession is in our own half. Draw the opponents on, wait for that 'line breaking' pass to midfield, someone swivels and then attack. Problem is, teams have worked us out. Even Everton.
We need a plan B.
We have the quality and depth to play at a higher tempo and intensity. Minus one goal difference after 21 games tells its own story.
In Unai we trust but at the moment we have turned into a one trick pony.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 16, 2025, 11:41:53 AM
The Merson goal up there was a 1-0 win in the league. An awful game in truth but for his goal which was quite special.
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2025, 11:43:51 AM
I am slightly puzzled as to why Unai didn’t use more subs. If only to break up the play a bit at the end.
Because he didn't need to.
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 11:45:52 AM
Not one of those Everton players would get in the Villa starting eleven. Yet, we made hard work of, thankfully, getting 3 points. Most premier league teams will comfortably beat Everton and will not have to depend on a Dominic Calvert-Lewin brain fart.
I'm guessing, but about 85% of our possession is in our own half. Draw the opponents on, wait for that 'line breaking' pass to midfield, someone swivels and then attack. Problem is, teams have worked us out. Even Everton.
We need a plan B.
We have the quality and depth to play at a higher tempo and intensity. Minus one goal difference after 21 games tells its own story.
In Unai we trust but at the moment we have turned into a one trick pony.
Everton are shite, but Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal all failed to beat them over Christmas. Don't be too quick to write off that result and performance last night.
Post by: simon ward 50 on January 16, 2025, 11:48:07 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2025, 11:59:30 AM
Although I had to laugh at Moyes, who twice now has made reference to them not having enough quality players on the pitch since he rocked-up last week. Talk about boosting your squad's confidence.
He must have been give assurances that he could sign a couple of half-decent creative options this month.
Post by: Baldy on January 16, 2025, 12:00:13 PM
Not one of those Everton players would get in the Villa starting eleven. Yet, we made hard work of, thankfully, getting 3 points. Most premier league teams will comfortably beat Everton and will not have to depend on a Dominic Calvert-Lewin brain fart.
I'm guessing, but about 85% of our possession is in our own half. Draw the opponents on, wait for that 'line breaking' pass to midfield, someone swivels and then attack. Problem is, teams have worked us out. Even Everton.
We need a plan B.
We have the quality and depth to play at a higher tempo and intensity. Minus one goal difference after 21 games tells its own story.
In Unai we trust but at the moment we have turned into a one trick pony.
Everton are shite, but Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal all failed to beat them over Christmas. Don't be too quick to write off that result and performance last night.
But Dyche still got the boot!! Certainly grateful for the 3 points but fear performances like that against the better sides will cost us.
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 12:03:02 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2025, 12:06:34 PM
Everton are shite, but Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal all failed to beat them over Christmas. Don't be too quick to write off that result and performance last night.
Very good point, they also beat the mighty Wulvz 4-0 at Goodison last month.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 16, 2025, 12:31:10 PM
We play better against the better sides, they attack so we have some room to exploit. Our problems seem to be with the teams directly in and around us, and thankfully we've played everyone bar Man City away already, they've all got to come to us in the run in.
Arsenal away still to come as well.
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 12:41:44 PM
We play better against the better sides, they attack so we have some room to exploit. Our problems seem to be with the teams directly in and around us, and thankfully we've played everyone bar Man City away already, they've all got to come to us in the run in.
Arsenal away still to come as well.
Yeah I know, I didn't think it needed mentioning as it's two days away.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 16, 2025, 01:07:58 PM
I don't really have that much of a problem with Everton, but selling "Make Everton Great Again" hats? Fuck off. For a club with a somewhat dodgy record of racism back in the day, co-opting the slogan of a Nazi prick isn't a good look.
Objectively, an Everton relegation would clearly be more exciting than the promoted three going straight back down for the second season in a row, though I would be happier getting rid of Man U or, more realistically, Wolves, given the choice.
A city rather than just the club itself, though that aspect gets swept under the carpet.
Nah, both. They used to sing "Everton are white" when they were the last team to have any Black players.
Oh I know, but Liverpool's record with black players was not much better, and the city itself seemed almost segregated to me.
I see what you mean now. Thought you were saying the city but not Everton rather than the city including both its well known football teams.
Post by: LeeS on January 16, 2025, 01:10:11 PM
There are very few games where you can just rock up and help yourself to the three points.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 16, 2025, 01:16:40 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 16, 2025, 01:24:48 PM
Post by: usav on January 16, 2025, 01:30:38 PM
I am slightly puzzled as to why Unai didn’t use more subs. If only to break up the play a bit at the end.
Because he didn't need to.
The amount of games coming up would be one reason.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 16, 2025, 01:32:37 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 16, 2025, 01:39:24 PM
I don't really have that much of a problem with Everton, but selling "Make Everton Great Again" hats? Fuck off. For a club with a somewhat dodgy record of racism back in the day, co-opting the slogan of a Nazi prick isn't a good look.
Objectively, an Everton relegation would clearly be more exciting than the promoted three going straight back down for the second season in a row, though I would be happier getting rid of Man U or, more realistically, Wolves, given the choice.
ManU getting relegated would be the funniest thing ever.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 16, 2025, 02:15:49 PM
Recency bias, maybe. We made a load of subs against Forest and fucked it up.
I made the same comment after the Brighton game. He made subs against Forest and Bournemouth and people complained he had made the wrong subs when they score last minute goals. He doesn't against Brighton and people moaned he hadn't when we concede late on again.
Although I was worried the crowd would get Onana sent off AND Duran might have gave them something to think about at the end.
Post by: wince on January 16, 2025, 02:18:28 PM
Happy with that
Post by: Dave on January 16, 2025, 02:18:37 PM
Although I was worried the crowd would get Onana sent off AND Duran might have gave them something to think about at the end.
Maatsen on the run really fast at Ashley Young might have been a useful outlet when we were under the cosh a bit too.
Either way, all's well that ends well.
Post by: usav on January 16, 2025, 02:39:10 PM
I don't really have that much of a problem with Everton, but selling "Make Everton Great Again" hats? Fuck off. For a club with a somewhat dodgy record of racism back in the day, co-opting the slogan of a Nazi prick isn't a good look.
Objectively, an Everton relegation would clearly be more exciting than the promoted three going straight back down for the second season in a row, though I would be happier getting rid of Man U or, more realistically, Wolves, given the choice.
ManU getting relegated would be the funniest thing ever.
As shite as they are, there are worse teams.
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2025, 03:18:25 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 16, 2025, 05:36:14 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 16, 2025, 05:42:44 PM
Thought Konsa had his best game in a while and is clearly benefiting from having Mings back in there to dominate matters , thought he was excellent.
Watkins we saw both sides of him , that trademark one on one miss 1st half then a much better finish 2nd half .
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 16, 2025, 05:44:06 PM
I don't really have that much of a problem with Everton, but selling "Make Everton Great Again" hats? Fuck off. For a club with a somewhat dodgy record of racism back in the day, co-opting the slogan of a Nazi prick isn't a good look.
Objectively, an Everton relegation would clearly be more exciting than the promoted three going straight back down for the second season in a row, though I would be happier getting rid of Man U or, more realistically, Wolves, given the choice.
A city rather than just the club itself, though that aspect gets swept under the carpet.
Nah, both. They used to sing "Everton are white" when they were the last team to have any Black players.
Oh I know, but Liverpool's record with black players was not much better, and the city itself seemed almost segregated to me.
I see what you mean now. Thought you were saying the city but not Everton rather than the city including both its well known football teams.
Anyone who was at Anfield on 5th November '77 may recall the Mighty Reds being a tad racist
Post by: jon collett on January 16, 2025, 05:59:15 PM
Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.
And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 06:04:11 PM
Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.
And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!
I'd heard something similar too but found absolutely nothing to back it up, indeed it smells to me like the kind of thing generated by a jealous neighbour to try and attempt to discredit their more illustrious rivals.
See also 'more fans in the city' etc.
Post by: jon collett on January 16, 2025, 06:06:20 PM
Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.
And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!
I'd heard something similar too but found absolutely nothing to back it up, indeed it smells to me like the kind of thing generated by a jealous neighbour to try and attempt to discredit their more illustrious rivals.
See also 'more fans in the city' etc.
It’s well known and established. Doesn’t sound like you looked in right places? And it wasn’t claimed by a neighbour as Everton were the. Catholic club!
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 06:36:56 PM
Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.
And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!
I'd heard something similar too but found absolutely nothing to back it up, indeed it smells to me like the kind of thing generated by a jealous neighbour to try and attempt to discredit their more illustrious rivals.
See also 'more fans in the city' etc.
It’s well known and established. Doesn’t sound like you looked in right places? And it wasn’t claimed by a neighbour as Everton were the. Catholic club!
Oh, were they formed by the Pope?
There's some anecdotes of some people dividing that way in the early days to due the loyalties of directors on each side, and also that Liverpool itself was very sectarian way back, but no evidence at all that either club is this or that.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 16, 2025, 06:41:28 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 06:49:23 PM
He was full of shit as well.
It was pointed out by an older colleague, who'd obviously heard this before, that actually the biggest obstacle to his potential top flight career was playing for Birmingham City.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 16, 2025, 06:51:13 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 07:00:41 PM
I've no skin it either way as I'm utterly godless.
I only long for a world where everyman is free to transport a compact living space from one place to the next for leisure purposes.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 16, 2025, 07:21:02 PM
Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.
And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!
To be honest, Birmingham has also been a bit of a tory town, too, certainly compared with other major cities, probably because it's unique in so many ways.
Never underwent the historic mass unemployment of the north (at least until the 70s), employment spread out across a number of very large companies but significantly more small to medium size manufacturers so didn't have all the eggs in one basket, strong entrepreneurial spirit created lots of relatively socially mobile Victorian employers done-good who built all those nice houses up on the hill in Moseley to look down on their domains, always been a little bit 'different' from other cities in terms of ways of thought (non-conformists like the Unitarians, which is what the Chamberlains were), Quakers like the Cadburys with their well meaning social experiments (the Quakers held a lot of power in local politics until very, very recently - that's one reason there were so few late night drinking venues for so long), early venue for waves of immigration going back to the peasantry, the Irish, and so on, not tainted anywhere near as much by the shame of slavery as many other cities. A late Victorian / twentieth century city with new ideas.
It has always been 'different' and that extends to having quite a big Tory back story, plenty of Tory MPs in the past, even voted pretty much in line with the national vote on Brexit.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 16, 2025, 07:26:31 PM
There's a few bits I've read and I think someone did a proper study but found there wasn't really any evidence to it.
I've no skin it either way as I'm utterly godless.
I only long for a world where everyman is free to transport a compact living space from one place to the next for leisure purposes.
"Leisure purposes? What kind of decadent, gaudy, depraved exhibitionist have you become? These are our homes.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 16, 2025, 07:28:10 PM
There's a few bits I've read and I think someone did a proper study but found there wasn't really any evidence to it.
I've no skin it either way as I'm utterly godless.
I only long for a world where everyman is free to transport a compact living space from one place to the next for leisure purposes.
"Leisure purposes? What kind of decadent, gaudy, depraved exhibitionist have you become? These are our homes.
He's boasting about his static in Oswestry again, Paddy.
Him and his fucking Bob Warman stories. Bob Warman this, Bob Warman that.
He's probably one of his tenants. Almost everyone else is.
Post by: olaftab on January 16, 2025, 07:37:37 PM
I do wonder why someone who has been making regular subs to ensure certain players didn't burn out decided we needed barely no subs this time around, and played Ollie for 90mins for the fourth game straight. Duran would have caused them some problems at the end I felt.West Ham owners forbid us from playing him.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 16, 2025, 07:42:00 PM
There's a few bits I've read and I think someone did a proper study but found there wasn't really any evidence to it.
I've no skin it either way as I'm utterly godless.
I only long for a world where everyman is free to transport a compact living space from one place to the next for leisure purposes.
"Leisure purposes? What kind of decadent, gaudy, depraved exhibitionist have you become? These are our homes.
He's boasting about his static in Oswestry again, Paddy.
Him and his fucking Bob Warman stories. Bob Warman this, Bob Warman that.
He's probably one of his tenants. Almost everyone else is.
He tried to sell me a fibreglass urn for my old mum. Eight grand, ten for damp proofing on top.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 16, 2025, 08:03:31 PM
Some key bits.
4 mins in shows how well Konsa and Kamara did on the wing to setup the goal. Then there were five Everton players took out the game when Rogers broke.
5:32 . Onana geeing everyone up in the 90 something minute. And just after that Martinez reaction at the final whistle.
6:15. Mings pushing Ollie closer to the crowd for applause.
And finally, did Onana do his crowd routine? I guess not with his reaction to Kamara.
Post by: VillaTim on January 16, 2025, 08:13:04 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 08:31:19 PM
Some key bits.
4 mins in shows how well Konsa and Kamara did on the wing to setup the goal. Then there were five Everton players took out the game when Rogers broke.
5:32 . Onana geeing everyone up in the 90 something minute. And just after that Martinez reaction at the final whistle.
6:15. Mings pushing Ollie closer to the crowd for applause.
And finally, did Onana do his crowd routine? I guess not with his reaction to Kamara.
That was brilliant play from Konsa, he rode that Everton donkey up the touchline for 30 yards.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 16, 2025, 08:43:17 PM
Post by: jon collett on January 16, 2025, 08:46:17 PM
Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.
And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!
I'd heard something similar too but found absolutely nothing to back it up, indeed it smells to me like the kind of thing generated by a jealous neighbour to try and attempt to discredit their more illustrious rivals.
See also 'more fans in the city' etc.
It’s well known and established. Doesn’t sound like you looked in right places? And it wasn’t claimed by a neighbour as Everton were the. Catholic club!
Oh, were they formed by the Pope?
There's some anecdotes of some people dividing that way in the early days to due the loyalties of directors on each side, and also that Liverpool itself was very sectarian way back, but no evidence at all that either club is this or that.
It’s pretty well known. Off the top of my head I can remember anecdotes from Cilla Black, Paul McCartney, Eric Heffer, and Tommy Smith. I can also remember the two Bishops representing both sides on Wogan before the 86 Cup Final.
Everton’s first Chairman was an Irish home ruler. Liverpool’s was an Orangeman. The Kop was named after Royal Lancashire Regiment and I can remember all the Union flags on the Kop as late as the 80s.
Liverpool was a very sectarian city. Oranger lodges and orange marches. An Irish nationalist MP for many years.
Football wise as the glory hunters attached to Liverpool the local ties were weakened and historical revisionism. Most Liverpool supporters these days think Shankley founded the Club in the 60s!
There is a book on the sectarian origins of the Clubs which was previously a PHD thesis but as I say this is all well known!
Post by: jon collett on January 16, 2025, 08:50:23 PM
Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.
And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!
To be honest, Birmingham has also been a bit of a tory town, too, certainly compared with other major cities, probably because it's unique in so many ways.
Never underwent the historic mass unemployment of the north (at least until the 70s), employment spread out across a number of very large companies but significantly more small to medium size manufacturers so didn't have all the eggs in one basket, strong entrepreneurial spirit created lots of relatively socially mobile Victorian employers done-good who built all those nice houses up on the hill in Moseley to look down on their domains, always been a little bit 'different' from other cities in terms of ways of thought (non-conformists like the Unitarians, which is what the Chamberlains were), Quakers like the Cadburys with their well meaning social experiments (the Quakers held a lot of power in local politics until very, very recently - that's one reason there were so few late night drinking venues for so long), early venue for waves of immigration going back to the peasantry, the Irish, and so on, not tainted anywhere near as much by the shame of slavery as many other cities. A late Victorian / twentieth century city with new ideas.
It has always been 'different' and that extends to having quite a big Tory back story, plenty of Tory MPs in the past, even voted pretty much in line with the national vote on Brexit.
Sure but Liverpool was literally called Tory Town.
In the 1968 local elections the Liverpool Conservatives won 62 percent of the vote and 78 percent of the seats on Liverpool City Council and by 1972 the party had held a majority on Liverpool’s municipal government for 85 of the previous 100 years.
Another part of their past they’ve now reinvented.
Post by: john e on January 16, 2025, 09:19:29 PM
Post by: john e on January 16, 2025, 09:24:27 PM
I remember quite a few Liverpool fans wearing Rangers scarfs but that was the least of my worries being chased around all day by nutters
anyway the Celtic/Rangers chant used to go up in the Holte most games
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 16, 2025, 09:40:23 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 16, 2025, 09:50:29 PM
Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.
And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!
I'd heard something similar too but found absolutely nothing to back it up, indeed it smells to me like the kind of thing generated by a jealous neighbour to try and attempt to discredit their more illustrious rivals.
See also 'more fans in the city' etc.
It’s well known and established. Doesn’t sound like you looked in right places? And it wasn’t claimed by a neighbour as Everton were the. Catholic club!
Oh, were they formed by the Pope?
There's some anecdotes of some people dividing that way in the early days to due the loyalties of directors on each side, and also that Liverpool itself was very sectarian way back, but no evidence at all that either club is this or that.
My dad told me when I was a kid that the two teams were seen in Ireland in the 1940s-50s as split as described above, and being a Dubliner pointed to the Irish tricolour over Goodison *) and I’ve spoken to a few scousers about it over the years. They say there was some justification to this until maybe 50 -60 years ago but it just died away.
One bloke pointed out to me that they have a song called Scouser Tommy about a fan who died in WW1. It’s sung to the tune of Red River Valley but then lurches into the tune of The Sash My Father Wore at the end. No sectarian lyrics though, just the tune.
Other have pointed out the big Liverpool - Celtic love in since Dalglish in 1977. If it did exist I reckon it’s ancient history now.
*I think I read years back that the Irish tricolour at Goodison was something to do with Irish players or directors in the 1950s rather than anything else.
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 16, 2025, 09:53:46 PM
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Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2025, 10:09:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2025, 10:17:35 PM
I read this piece on it from an Everton perspective if anyone is interested
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There appears to be little real evidence to suggest any strong relationship between support of Everton and adherence to either the Catholic or Protestant faiths. Parental family ties appear to have been much stronger, with many current Evertonians citing fathers or grandfathers (of either religion) who were true blue, through and through.
On an individual basis, it must have been comforting for some to draw a parallel between allegiance to the club, and faith in God. But on a larger perspective, it seems that many families united by their religious origins include both true blues and other misguided souls who are seduced by the red devils from hell, aka Liverpool FC.
And the Kop thing, that's the case with a good few mounds of terrace including up the road, and was first referenced at Arsenal. I'm not even sure how it fits the narrative, and in terms of both clubs origins they lie in the Methodist Church, those renowned Papist bastards.
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 16, 2025, 10:25:56 PM
I was there in that game witton warrior is on about in 77
I remember quite a few Liverpool fans wearing Rangers scarfs but that was the least of my worries being chased around all day by nutters
anyway the Celtic/Rangers chant used to go up in the Holte most games
If you were on the official coaches you may recall it was a nightmare as they bricked all the windows during the match. Because we beat them the Old Bill kept us back but those happy cheerful scousers waited in thousands to congratulate us. I remember a load of us Black Country Villans armed with fence staves jogging past the Littlewoods building batting away their hoolies. At one point some reds told us they would leave us alone if we gave them "our Blacks". The staves came in useful.
I have a mate whose family supported Everton and his Irish Dad told me it was because they were Catholic.
The Holte thing was just a piss-take like Banks's vs Ansells - I have seen Villa wearing Celtic scarves
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 16, 2025, 10:27:16 PM
Post by: jon collett on January 16, 2025, 10:42:24 PM
I guarantee you, pretty much nobody wearing those celtic and rangers half and half hats in the 80s had a fucking clue what they stood for.
Yea it was way deeper than that and pre dated 80s by a long way. It’s now something they try and sweep under the carpet!
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2025, 11:54:37 PM
I think the brief Ashley Young chant when he took a throw in front of the away end is the first time I've heard a (favourable) chant for an opposition player.
Quickly followed by 'you used to play for a big club, play for a big club...'
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2025, 12:09:05 AM
An Irish nationalist MP for many years.
Yup, one of those useful bits of quizzing knowledge - TP O'Connor, the only MP for an Irish nationalist party ever elected to a seat in the House of Commons outside the island of Ireland.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2025, 12:09:18 AM
After the final whistle of the second leg, meaning we were out, it went bang off as they tried to leave the old Witton Lane stand. Shortly afterwards I saw a group forming around two of theirs on the other side of the motorway bridge by the school, and my mate and well-known local author Black Danny was talking to them. It went something like this
Danny: where you from?
Scouser 1 (in exaggerated Brummie accent): Birmingum.
Danny: whereabouts?
Scouser 2 (same accent) Wolverampton.
Scouser 1 (realising his mate had made a mistake):
We’ve got money
I tried to save them by pointing out to Danny that there were only two of them and loads of us, but he really hated scousers because of the old racism, and he said “they’d do it to you Perc”.
I walked off, knowing they were lost.
Post by: Rory on January 17, 2025, 12:45:37 AM
If you think sectarianism has died out in Liverpool try Southport on 12th July.
Yeah, one of the strangest Orange marches out there.
The usual bacon-faces doing their militaristic parade, despite all being either at least five stone or four decades ineligible for military service, with the occasional Wicker Man shit involving children or teenagers - that's all familiar.
But then a handful of old weirdos with Primark bags trying to indoctrinate their grandchildren about something that has virtually no influence on their lives.
Very odd.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2025, 01:21:26 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 17, 2025, 10:16:42 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 17, 2025, 10:19:38 AM
Quakers like the Cadburys with their well meaning social experiments (the Quakers held a lot of power in local politics until very, very recently - that's one reason there were so few late night drinking venues for so long),
The Quakers were also the reason that Bham, uniquely, has so many pubs with Crown Bowling Greens attached to them.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 17, 2025, 10:22:07 AM
I only long for a world where everyman is free to transport a compact living space from one place to the next for leisure purposes.
'Brothers and Sisters, I have a dream'
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 17, 2025, 10:29:04 AM
Its called Holland.I only long for a world where everyman is free to transport a compact living space from one place to the next for leisure purposes.
'Brothers and Sisters, I have a dream'
Post by: jon collett on January 17, 2025, 12:56:50 PM
I think I read that Spion Kop translated from Afrikaans to English as 'Viewing Hill', it was also the site of a battle in the Boer War where many Liverpudlian soldiers died.
That’s right they named it after the fallen Liverpudlian (Scouse was an insult then) members of the Royal Lancashire Regiment. It wasn’t connected with the Woolwich Arsenal terrace somebody mentioned.
They were the loyalist establishment Club. It’s all at odds with the Scouse not English myth they claim now.
I think modern glory hunters try so hard to identify and fit in they’ve created a bogus history.
Post by: LeeB on January 17, 2025, 01:07:51 PM
I think I read that Spion Kop translated from Afrikaans to English as 'Viewing Hill', it was also the site of a battle in the Boer War where many Liverpudlian soldiers died.
That’s right they named it after the fallen Liverpudlian (Scouse was an insult then) members of the Royal Lancashire Regiment. It wasn’t connected with the Woolwich Arsenal terrace somebody mentioned.
They were the loyalist establishment Club. It’s all at odds with the Scouse not English myth they claim now.
I think modern glory hunters try so hard to identify and fit in they’ve created a bogus history.
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The first recorded reference to a sports terrace as "Kop" related to Woolwich Arsenal's Manor Ground in 1904, four years after the Second Boer War.[1][2] A local newsman likened the silhouette of fans standing on a newly raised bank of earth to soldiers standing atop the hill at the Battle of Spion Kop. Two years later in 1906, Liverpool Echo sports editor Ernest Edwards noted of a new open-air embankment at Anfield:
This huge wall of earth has been termed "Spion Kop", and no doubt this apt name will always be used in future in referring to this spot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(stadiums)#:~:text=Spion%20Kop%20(or%20the%20Kop,particularly%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(stadiums)#:~:text=Spion%20Kop%20(or%20the%20Kop,particularly%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom.)
Post by: jon collett on January 17, 2025, 02:28:20 PM