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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: olaftab on December 26, 2024, 04:58:12 PM
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As usual cold Turkey bollocks. So inconsistent......
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Dreadful day all round. Referee appalling but that's not the only reasons we've lost.
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Sending off decision was correct, imo. But otherwise I thought the referee was terrible.
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We’ll win nothing until we learn how to defend.
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And another shoeing to our goal difference.
Does Unai not see that we are fucking shit at the back and even consider trying to change it. You never know JUST MAYBE Mings should be given an opportunity?
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Only 3-0, could have been worse
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We hate teams that press high and quickly and our passing through the lines crumbles. Add that to playing against 12 men and there’s only one result.
Other than some serious brain farts I thought Onana played q well. Konsa was decent but I’m not sure much can be taken from that match after the red tbh (which was never a red).
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They weren’t even that good either.
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That's 5 away losses on the bounce. 14 goals conceded and 2 scored. Cripes.
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It's such a long established pattern now that you'd have to question how the club approaches things at Christmas.
Is it too lax? It's going on a long time.
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Equally depressing as last Boxing Day. I think last season just shades it but only just.
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It's such a long established pattern now that you'd have to question how the club approaches things at Christmas.
Is it too lax? It's going on a long time.
Boxing Day ruined every flaming year. I found last year's defeat harder to take.
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That was never a red for me. he slid on his left and fell towards the right with very little force against the player. Unless he could have removed his leg not much chance of avoiding that. Maybe he could have turned his foot, but cannot see that was intentional.
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Just forfeit games at st james Park. We play like losers every single time and the crumbling is embarrassing even if it was 10 men. We were pants.
Durans red impossible to know if it was deliberate but i think he didnt do enough to try avoid the 2nd contact which says to me why he was sent off. Im more annoyed about the pathetic baised referring. Constant fouls by gordon and no yellows. Same with several newcastle players.
Emery really needs to fucking call this out in his post match
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Fuck it, I’m going to watch Zulu (again)and try and forget the shitshow I just watched.
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Sick of the inconsistent performances this season
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It's such a long established pattern now that you'd have to question how the club approaches things at Christmas.
Is it too lax? It's going on a long time.
Boxing Day ruined every flaming year. I found last year's defeat harder to take.
I was fuming this day last year.
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Not at the races at all today
Idiotic sending off, some dreadful passing from defence.
I said to my son I thought Onama had been our one player who was not bad, and then , That Pass !!!!!!
Last weeks game painted over the cracks, we are three at least first team players short to figure in any real cup or league challenge.
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Sending off decision was correct, imo. But otherwise I thought the referee was terrible.
If it was the other way round we'd have been asking for 2 reds.
4th/5th spot is wide open and it's good to see Leon back so hopefully we can improve the output from our right hand side.
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I'm not saying we would have got anything from that game 11 vs 11, but truth be told we were coming back into the game strongly with the sending off. A combination of noisy Toons and intimidation by the Newcastle players swayed Taylor into giving it. I'm not sure what Duran is supposed to do when travelling that fast and a player is lying prone in front of him - he's bound to land on him. The card was an absolute joke. When you see it in real time it's a simple coming together. I hate the way these 50-50 decisions so regularly go against us.
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The red card completely changed the game, we were looking fine until then.
But it's a very poor showing away from home now this season.
And Newcastle were fucking average and didn't "blow us away" as Michael Brown stated the clueless twat.
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Although the ref was generally shite, it was definitely a red card. The actions of a petulant child. You could see he was fuming that he wasn’t allowed to take a free kick. Not only did he ensure we lost that game, that’ll be 3 more games without him too.
Needs to grow up really quickly if we’re ready to gleefully march Watkins out of the door.
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That was absolutely pathetic. Giving the ball away so many times on the edge of the box was shocking. No fight or desire is worrying.
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Boxing day feels like a perfect title - looks like we were koed by tyson, Muhammad ali and deontay wilder today in that game
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Ref ruined the match and that’s all there is to stay. We were coming well into the game when the unfair red was given. I don’t think much can be gleaned from this match. Newcastle’s defence was very good on the rare occasions we put them under pressure.
On to Brighton.
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The Villa Way:
- Losing on Boxing Day
- Losing at St. James Park
- Conceding a goal in the first 5 minutes.
Got the triple today.
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Wonder if he would have got sent off if he just dropped a knee on his back?
The way he was falling contact was always inevitable.
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We got what we deserved from the game, absolutely nothing. I have no issue with the red card it was a brainless act by Duran, he should be fined by the club and he’ll have ample time to reflect as he rests. He probably doesn’t give a shit.
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Staggeringly predictable result. I’m more annoyed I didn’t bet every worldly possession on us losing. For the miracles that Unai has produced over the past 2 years, we’ll get no further until our mentality changes. Piss weak under any kind of pressure. We’d lost that game the second they scored the first.
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Obligatory shoeing at St James. Only saving grace is that smug bastard Tindall getting sent off
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Wonder if he would have got sent off if he just dropped a knee on his back?
The way he was falling contact was always inevitable.
Probably not, unless he did it on purchase. Like how he made sure he studded him twice in this scenario.
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Obligatory shoeing at St James. Only saving grace is that smug bastard Tindall getting sent off
yep second half on the sun bed the wannabe
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That was absolutely pathetic. Giving the ball away so many times on the edge of the box was shocking. No fight or desire is worrying.
This, 100%. Complete lack of desire and fight. Absolutely garbage. The red card decision was correct but the ref was Blues.
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Surprised Uni didn't go to a back 3 with Mings on in the second half. I don't think too much can be read into the game after the sending off. It's annoying that shit always happens up there.
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
That would be stupid. That's never getting over turned.
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Say what you will about the 10 men but conceding so early and so easily was utterly pathetic. The worst thing you can do is concede early there and thats what we did.
Why was there no no closing? Cash didnt even attempt to press or close him down. Just the usual shit villa defending.
Why he didnt start with mings again. Absolute mystery to me.. mings has been frozen out since his last excellent performance. I do not get it
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I thought the sending off was harsh but not surprising. The reaction from their players and the crowd was crucial in convincing the ref he'd missed something. But either way it's not the reason we lost. We lost because we conceded a goal in the first 2 minutes after Kamara was unusually timid in a challenge and we just never got it together for the next 88. They nullified our midfield and we couldn't do anything because we don't have an alternative. We are desperate for some quality wide players. I can't be arsed to break it down anymore than that right now. They have ruined Boxing day for us yet again. I feel drained.
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Strong ugh from my least favourite fixture of the season every season. Can't Iran just hurry up and invade that bastard kingdom already.
Red card killed us completely, we were already up against it but showing signs of being competitive until the card that, whether or not it was right to be given, was always, always, always going to be given by a referee who couldn't eat a slice of pie the right way round.
At least the other c**ts lost or drew, feel no malice seeing Forest in the top three. I just wish we'd stop losing to (to repeat myself) the most punchable club in the league at every level.
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest what? Are you saying it wasn’t Duran’s studs on the defender’s back?
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
I thought it was a tough decision to give a straight red but, no way will that be rescinded if we put in an appeal.
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Boxing day feels like a perfect title - looks like we were koed by tyson, Muhammad ali and deontay wilder today in that game
With the ref assisting so well, even Ronnie Pickering could have won that one.
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You know when we lose to this lot it’s a fcuking humping.
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
There is absolutely zero chance that is getting over turned Richard
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We lost because we started the game so lacklustre. I can not believe we were not talking before the game to keep it tight from the start and build from there. There is a mentality problem, it keeps happening.
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Shite. Very predictable shite. 3-0 flattered us.
With Duran we have to accept, comes the loco bueno and the loco malo.
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Strong ugh from my least favourite fixture of the season every season. Can't Iran just hurry up and invade that bastard kingdom already.
Red card killed us completely, we were already up against it but showing signs of being competitive until the card that, whether or not it was right to be given, was always, always, always going to be given by a referee who couldn't eat a slice of pie the right way round.
At least the other c**ts lost or drew, feel no malice seeing Forest in the top three. I just wish we'd stop losing to (to repeat myself) the most punchable club in the league at every level.
Newcastle show desire in this fixture. We show nothing except our bellies for tickling. Watching Rogers at the end all smiles and hugs for his mates makes me seethe. We don’t have the right mentality or desire.
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Strong ugh from my least favourite fixture of the season every season. Can't Iran just hurry up and invade that bastard kingdom already.
Red card killed us completely, we were already up against it but showing signs of being competitive until the card that, whether or not it was right to be given, was always, always, always going to be given by a referee who couldn't eat a slice of pie the right way round.
At least the other c**ts lost or drew, feel no malice seeing Forest in the top three. I just wish we'd stop losing to (to repeat myself) the most punchable club in the league at every level.
Newcastle show desire in this fixture. We show nothing except our bellies for tickling. Watching Rogers at the end all smiles and hugs for his mates makes me seethe. We don’t have the right mentality or desire.
They're owned by the Kingdom of ISIS and deserve liquidation.
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Wonder if he would have got sent off if he just dropped a knee on his back?
The way he was falling contact was always inevitable.
Probably not, unless he did it on purchase. Like how he made sure he studded him twice in this scenario.
Yep. Looked to me like the defender kicked him in the bollocks and he retaliated. The referee missed the first one of course, but somebody like Savage would have done nothing but roll round and probably got the defender booked.
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the only hope I had was that the ref would even things up with a 2nd yellow for one of the toon lads, but it soon became obvious it was 10 v 12
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Say what you will about the 10 men but conceding so early and so easily was utterly pathetic. The worst thing you can do is concede early there and thats what we did.
Why was there no no closing? Cash didnt even attempt to press or close him down. Just the usual shit villa defending.
Have you seen Cash play before? He backs off until he’s in the penalty area and either backs off some more, dives in and gets booked, or gives away a penalty.
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Interesting the 50-50 comments on here about the merits of the red card. I'll say it again. I don't know how he can get out of the way of a prone body lying in front of him and if Taylor even had half a refereeing brain he would have been unsure whether or not it was deliberate. I'm wondering whether he got the nod from those jokers hundreds of miles away in Stockley Park along with the 'outrage' from fans and players. Is this all part of the game? It certainly changed the game as we were right in it at that time. Oh well. On to Brighton.
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Sending off decision was correct, imo. But otherwise I thought the referee was terrible.
100% incorrect. Schar catches Duran 1st, Duran goes over on his left foot so where can his right foot go when it goes down? Nowhere except on to Schar! No intent whatsoever. Not even a yellow, just a coming together and Duran had every right to challenge a 50:50 ball. Linton on the other hand DELIBERATELY swung an arm in Rogers face but no red?
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Another performance that suggests this year might be about the cup competitions. It’s still open and if we can do good business in Jan, top 5 is still possible, but let’s just go and win the champions league and become legends
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Bad day all round. Shit start, headless moment, wanker ref and ridiculous passing at times.
Nothing changes up there, 20 years and counting…
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Sending off decision was correct, imo. But otherwise I thought the referee was terrible.
100% incorrect. Schar catches Duran 1st, Duran goes over on his left foot so where can his right foot go when it goes down? Nowhere except on to Schar! No intent whatsoever. Not even a yellow, just a coming together and Duran had every right to challenge a 50:50 ball. Linton on the other hand DELIBERATELY swung an arm in Rogers face but no red?
Edited. Misread your post.
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I’m not sure we lose that game with eleven men. We had started asking the questions. They should’ve let Duran take the free kick he might not have been in such a bad mood then.
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Given that we always lose at Newcastle and always lose on Boxing Day, it is, perhaps, lucky to have them on the same day. Every cloud...
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Fuck it, I’m going to watch Zulu (again)and try and forget the shitshow I just watched.
Zulus...aren't they Blose? Don't watch them.
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Can we go one season without bending over to this lot or ManUre? Every bloody year, all the more if it's Christmas.
Thought Mowbray, Brown, Hitzlsperger and Given were all pretty shite too.
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Standard utter shite up there. Our goal difference is indicative of a team who is too often too easy to play against. We need to bounce back against Brighton now. I thought Duran’s red was a red - just stupid.
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Surprised Uni didn't go to a back 3 with Mings on in the second half. I don't think too much can be read into the game after the sending off. It's annoying that shit always happens up there.
Say what you will about the 10 men but conceding so early and so easily was utterly pathetic. The worst thing you can do is concede early there and thats what we did.
Why was there no no closing? Cash didnt even attempt to press or close him down. Just the usual shit villa defending.
Why he didnt start with mings again. Absolute mystery to me.. mings has been frozen out since his last excellent performance. I do not get it
Cash was caught in two minds as Hall was overlapping and there was no support. McGinn didn't track the run and it all stemmed from Kamara trying to be clever with a failed flick in midfield.
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2 steps forward 4 back. We gone backwards this season in the league.
Scoring less and conceding more. The summer transfer business has been utterly poor. Monchi has a lot to answer for.
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I think our centres halves are atrocious. The sending off divides opinion but standing on someones backside is always likely to lead to a red, especially with that twat officiating. Cash remains a liability, Buendia needs to be loaned out. Our defending is often, too often, a shitshow.
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I think our centres halves are atrocious. The sending off divides opinion but standing on someones backside is always likely to lead to a red, especially with that twat officiating. Cash remains a liability, Buendia needs to be loaned out. Our defending is often, too often, a shitshow.
This is fair comment.
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Thought the sending off was a bit harsh, if the ref hadn't given it, I reckon VAR wouldn't have overturned it. Couldn't understand, why Rogers was taken off, thought he was our best player in the 2nd half, but towards the end, we were looking tired and making mistakes, I was glad it was only 3 in the end.
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Surprised Uni didn't go to a back 3 with Mings on in the second half. I don't think too much can be read into the game after the sending off. It's annoying that shit always happens up there.
Say what you will about the 10 men but conceding so early and so easily was utterly pathetic. The worst thing you can do is concede early there and thats what we did.
Why was there no no closing? Cash didnt even attempt to press or close him down. Just the usual shit villa defending.
Why he didnt start with mings again. Absolute mystery to me.. mings has been frozen out since his last excellent performance. I do not get it
Cash was caught in two minds as Hall was overlapping and there was no support. McGinn didn't track the run and it all stemmed from Kamara trying to be clever with a failed flick in midfield.
correct. McGinn didn't track back.
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Shite result. Shite day.
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I’m not convinced we’d have got anything from the game with 11 on the pitch due to being defensively awful.
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I’m annoyed, but not as annoyed as I thought. Possibly as I expected it, but also if you concede in the first 2 mins and have a man sent-off around 30 mins the likelihood of getting anything is incredibly small, so I wouldn’t read that much into the performance. Big game against Brighton now - 6 points from the 3 games over Christmas would be pretty good, but 4 or less isn’t great.
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Thought the sending off was a bit harsh, if the ref hadn't given it, I reckon VAR wouldn't have overturned it. Couldn't understand, why Rogers was taken off, thought he was our best player in the 2nd half, but towards the end, we were looking tired and making mistakes, I was glad it was only 3 in the end.
I think it was probably a pragmatic call - the game was gone and better to save energy for Monday.
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Last Boxing Day was as bad as I have felt in 35 odd years of supporting Villa. But we let ourselves down again today, can't stand how we let these fcukers get the better of us. Feels bad, but we were never at the races today. It's not like they came back from two nil down to beat us.
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Are all the factories working in Wolverhampton today?!
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It’s a real beating, both scoreline and had how the game played out. We need to suck it up and learn from it. Unai does struggle against this style of play, he needs to work it out.
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2 steps forward 4 back. We gone backwards this season in the league.
Scoring less and conceding more. The summer transfer business has been utterly poor. Monchi has a lot to answer for.
These are the moments when people talk about you being a bit “knee-jerk, pissy pants”. In case you were wondering.
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Poor performance but that disgraceful red card killed the game as any contest. For the VAR to not send Taylor to the screen to review was negligent. All he had to do was ask him to go review as Durans left foot was slipping so unless he’s the Karate Kid there was no way he could have intended to stamp on Schar. VAR is pointless if they don’t use it.
PGMOL & PL ‘cover our own arses’ club will no doubt reject the appeal.
Having given the mitigation there is no excuse for our lack of intensity and the poor distribution out from the back was pretty pathetic.
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Buy a right back and a centre half next month and I think we will have a good second half of the season.
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I don’t think Duran gave the ref any other choice but to send him off. He had plenty of time to plant his feet elsewhere and avoid stepping on or over their player. There is no way that gets turned over on appeal and he clearly didn’t make any clear attempt to avoid stepping on him.
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I’m not sure we lose that game with eleven men. We had started asking the questions. They should’ve let Duran take the free kick he might not have been in such a bad mood then.
Exactly.
He wasn't happy that he couldn't take it.
Think he lost his head but he'll learn from it.
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Buy a right back and a centre half next month and I think we will have a good second half of the season.
That is unlikely. Not the better second half but excellent player acquisition that will immediately fix our problem.
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I think the red was harsh. The other player raised his feet when he fail and they were pretty high and ended up studding him - there is an element of 6 of one and half a dozen of the others. The reactions of the fans and there players triggered a poor ref. I think unai coming out in support of him tips me in favour of it wasn’t deliberate.
I do think we have to get that level of indigidantness into our game. The Joelation one could easily be a red and we need to be making the referee think more.
It’s a crap part of the game but we do need to do it. They bullied us today and we let them.
We also need mings in our starting line up for away games - and articulately physical ones like that.
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That elusive away win against a team of pedigree still not witnessed. I’d settle now for top 8.
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I think the red was harsh. The other player raised his feet when he fail and they were pretty high and ended up studding him - there is an element of 6 of one and half a dozen of the others. The reactions of the fans and there players triggered a poor ref. I think unai coming out in support of him tips me in favour of it wasn’t deliberate.
I do think we have to get that level of indigidantness into our game. The Joelation one could easily be a red and we need to be making the referee think more.
It’s a crap part of the game but we do need to do it. They bullied us today and we let them.
We also need mings in our starting line up for away games - and articulately [\b]physical ones like that.
Well said!
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Well I fucked that up.
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Buy a right back and a centre half next month and I think we will have a good second half of the season.
We really need to address our lack of quality wide players. Newcastle today plugged the midfield and just didn't allow the likes of Rogers to turn and run at them. It became increasingly obvious that we needed a wide outlet but with only the unpredictable Bailey to call on Emery was relying on like for like changes to shake it up.
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Poor performance but that disgraceful red card killed the game as any contest. For the VAR to not send Taylor to the screen to review was negligent. All he had to do was ask him to go review as Durans left foot was slipping so unless he’s the Karate Kid there was no way he could have intended to stamp on Schar. VAR is pointless if they don’t use it.
PGMOL & PL ‘cover our own arses’ club will no doubt reject the appeal.
Having given the mitigation there is no excuse for our lack of intensity and the poor distribution out from the back was pretty pathetic.
This. So obviously not malicious or intentional.
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I’m annoyed, but not as annoyed as I thought. Possibly as I expected it, but also if you concede in the first 2 mins and have a man sent-off around 30 mins the likelihood of getting anything is incredibly small, so I wouldn’t read that much into the performance. Big game against Brighton now - 6 points from the 3 games over Christmas would be pretty good, but 4 or less isn’t great.
My thoughts too.
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Buy a right back and a centre half next month and I think we will have a good second half of the season.
We really need to address our lack of quality wide players. Newcastle today plugged the midfield and just didn't allow the likes of Rogers to turn and run at them. It became increasingly obvious that we needed a wide outlet but with only the unpredictable Bailey to call on Emery was relying on like for like changes to shake it up.
I think this is true it wasn’t the right game for Yuri to start - having McGinn as a ten and then a Ramsay or in form Bailey would be a good mix. Cash just doesn’t have the quality we need to rash. A good option to have but that wasn’t the right game for him.
I think unai got that one wrong today. That was the wrong lineup against these thugs
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As I said on the match thread, Duran’s left foot slipped before he planted his right on Schar’s back. They are both tangling for the ball. I don’t see how that is clear enough to be a red, I appreciate that dangerous play can include when a player is out of control, but his foot slipped because they were both contesting the ball, it was the interaction of two players, rather than one being reckless. And for that the ref makes it an uneven contest less than a third of the way through.
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
It wasn’t even a foul!!!
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We did get caught badly from the off but recovered well and I thought it was all Villa until the sending off which wasn’t a red in my opinion. What else was he to do?
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I didn't think it was a red but it really isn't a '100% incorrect' decision, as you can see by the amount of disagreements. I can easily see why it can be seen as a red card. The ref was, however, terrible for the whole game*.
*including our defending.
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If it was the other way around then each and every one of us would be calling for a red.
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I’m not sure we lose that game with eleven men. We had started asking the questions. They should’ve let Duran take the free kick he might not have been in such a bad mood then.
Exactly.
He wasn't happy that he couldn't take it.
Think he lost his head but he'll learn from it.
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I agree with that. Did anyone watching that little incident think, oh good, Digne and not Duran is going to try one from here? For whatever reasons, it looked to me as if senior players had told Duran to jog on. His head had not cleared when he did what he did.
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Even if he didn't mean to, it looked like he did and the ref wasn't having a very good game up until then anyway, he seemed to blow for a foul for everything. Hopefully Duran will learn from it.
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Buy a right back and a centre half next month and I think we will have a good second half of the season.
I know mate. It’s blindingly obvious.
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Priority is a winger. Teams know they can keep attacking us as we have no counter-attack threat.
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If it was the other way around then each and every one of us would be calling for a red.
We absolutely would but that’s what a referee and VAR are there for…to get the correct decision not the crowd call.
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If it was the other way around then each and every one of us would be calling for a red.
Not true
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I didn't think it was a red but it really isn't a '100% incorrect' decision, as you can see by the amount of disagreements. I can easily see why it can be seen as a red card. The ref was, however, terrible for the whole game*.
*including our defending.
I think that’s the thing - it’s a contentious decision.
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The Newcastle players, the fans & no doubt that assistant manager arsehole, made such a fuss over the 'violent stamp'. The ref was only too happy to oblige. I don't think that fooker Taylor has ever given us anything. I'd be interested to know who gave the decision, the ref, the 4th official or VAR. In real time it's impossible to give that as a stamp.
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It was a red card.
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It wasn't a red card
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It was a red card.
It was. But it shouldn't have been.
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Red
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Are all the factories working in Wolverhampton today?!
Are there many left?
Factories lie empty manufacturing emptiness
Life needs to carry-on nonetheless
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It was a red card.
Oh no it wasn’t
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Red
Orange
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The Newcastle players, the fans & no doubt that assistant manager arsehole, made such a fuss over the 'violent stamp'. The ref was only too happy to oblige. I don't think that fooker Taylor has ever given us anything. I'd be interested to know who gave the decision, the ref, the 4th official or VAR. In real time it's impossible to give that as a stamp.
I think his first game was when we beat Arsenal 3-1 away. Did we get two pens?
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Reports saying Villa will appeal against the red card. Emery doesn't usually criticise the officials, but he was clearly unhappy with the referee.
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Reports saying Villa will appeal against the red card. Emery doesn't usually criticise the officials, but he was clearly unhappy with the referee.
Waste of time. Thats never getting over turned.
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The Newcastle players, the fans & no doubt that assistant manager arsehole, made such a fuss over the 'violent stamp'. The ref was only too happy to oblige. I don't think that fooker Taylor has ever given us anything. I'd be interested to know who gave the decision, the ref, the 4th official or VAR. In real time it's impossible to give that as a stamp.
I think his first game was when we beat Arsenal 3-1 away. Did we get two pens?
We definitely got the rub of the green with him that day :-)
He’s a poor ref but the VAR was more culpable today…
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I really hope Tyrone returns for the next game. Why does Emery continue to leave him out? He can organise the defence as we all saw against Brentford when he got man-of-the match. Baffling.
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I really hope Tyrone returns for the next game. Why does Emery continue to leave him out? He can organise the defence as we all saw against Brentford when he got man-of-the match. Baffling.
Konsa will be back to right back with Cash banned so Tyrone or Diego will be back in
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Reports saying Villa will appeal against the red card. Emery doesn't usually criticise the officials, but he was clearly unhappy with the referee.
Good, I’m glad he’s backing Duran on this one and showing him support.
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Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.
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Priority is a winger. Teams know they can keep attacking us as we have no counter-attack threat.
Yup we’ll stop teams flooding forward against us if they fear pace out wide. We badly lack that right now.
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I really hope Tyrone returns for the next game. Why does Emery continue to leave him out? He can organise the defence as we all saw against Brentford when he got man-of-the match. Baffling.
Defence was pretty organised against Citeh. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but Brentford were dire and it’s not illustrative one way or the other in terms of organisation. He is probably the best in the air of our centre backs.
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Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.
Not sure if you noticed but we didn't play the whole game with 11 men. We were certainly on top before the red card. Maybe you were watching Forest?
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I really hope Tyrone returns for the next game. Why does Emery continue to leave him out? He can organise the defence as we all saw against Brentford when he got man-of-the match. Baffling.
Defence was pretty organised against Citeh. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but Brentford were dire and it’s not illustrative one way or the other in terms of organisation. He is probably the best in the air of our centre backs.
Ill get shot down for this, but despite the scoreline and performance, I dont think Torres and Digne did a lot wrong today.
The sending off killed us, but we completely lost the midfield battle today. Virtually everyone one of them
was out muscled. Not singling him out as the game was already lost, but Beundia looked like he was playing in the wrong division, slow, weak, ponderous
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I am finding this season in the league really frustrating. It’s so patchy from us, we’ve had some really good moments but we’ve also had a load of really poor ones - and when we drop off a bit against a decent side we ship a load of goals. We really need to show a bit more ability to stick in games.
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I really hope Tyrone returns for the next game. Why does Emery continue to leave him out? He can organise the defence as we all saw against Brentford when he got man-of-the match. Baffling.
Defence was pretty organised against Citeh. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but Brentford were dire and it’s not illustrative one way or the other in terms of organisation. He is probably the best in the air of our centre backs.
Tyrone is a leader. You can see how he shouts his instructions to the other defenders. We are leaking goals at an alarming rate, especially in away games. The third goal conceded today was pathetic!
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Anybody objective can see it’s not a red card but I wonder if an appeal will overturn a decision both ref and VAR have made?
Credit to them if they do!
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Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.
We were on top what are you on about? The sending off fucked us up as I’m pretty sure we would have got back into that and gone on to win it
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I really hope Tyrone returns for the next game. Why does Emery continue to leave him out? He can organise the defence as we all saw against Brentford when he got man-of-the match. Baffling.
Defence was pretty organised against Citeh. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but Brentford were dire and it’s not illustrative one way or the other in terms of organisation. He is probably the best in the air of our centre backs.
Tyrone is a leader. You can see how he shouts his instructions to the other defenders. We are leaking goals at an alarming rate, especially in away games. The third goal conceded today was pathetic!
As I say I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong, the point was the Brentford game isn’t really proof. In fairness we were down to 10 for over an hour today that is a big factor.
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Cannot believe that shambles today Ipswich cannot get a result against anyone except Villa.
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Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.
Not sure if you noticed but we didn't play the whole game with 11 men. We were certainly on top before the red card. Maybe you were watching Forest?
Were we? If you re read ny post i acknowledged the 10 men. Are you sure you were not watching citeh game? We were average at best and i wouldnt say we were on top. More even game but we just collapsed after the 10 men [the usual when we go to 10]
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Game obviously turned on red card, soft but don't think Duran can have as any complaints. We had played our way back into the game after the early goal. I thought pre game that Emery should have made a few changes and so it turned out. A number of our players looked leggy from the off. Damage limitation exercise once the killer second went in.
Martinez 6 - very lucky to get away with another pass to nobody that Newcastle should have punished. Some solid saves.
Cash 5 - not to blame for first for me but awful use of possession in attacking areas again. Had to square that shot in first half
Konsa 4 - very fortunate to get away with that clearance...couple of solid clearances but thought our CB pair were bullied easily by Isak
Torres 4 - poor yet again. Failing to cut out a series of crosses from that side, could have scored
Digne 6 - best of our back line with a reasonable display at both ends.
Kamara 5 - lost ball in build up to first. Overran really thereafter
Onana 6 - very good game spoiled by the error for the third goal
McGinn 3 - MIA for the first goal and a horror show in truth. Passing was back to championship level days.
Rogers 4 - a few good runs but a bit flat today and switched off for second goal
Tielemans 4 - miles off it and fortunate wasn't punished for being caught in possession
Duran 0 - started very well I thought but red cost us the game
Barkley had some nice touches, granted game was done. Kostas looks lost I'm afraid, maybe Buendia's last minutes for us. Watkins hardly had a kick. Bailey a bit meh but game was done anyway.
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Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.
We were on top what are you on about? The sending off fucked us up as I’m pretty sure we would have got back into that and gone on to win it
Come off it? On top? We created virtually nothing even with 11. I think thats clutchinv to be honest. It was more even but on top? Not for me
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Game obviously turned on red card, soft but don't think Duran can have as any complaints. We had played our way back into the game after the early goal. I thought pre game that Emery should have made a few changes and so it turned out. A number of our players looked leggy from the off. Damage limitation exercise once the killer second went in.
Martinez 6 - very lucky to get away with another pass to nobody that Newcastle should have punished. Some solid saves.
Cash 5 - not to blame for first for me but awful use of possession in attacking areas again. Had to square that shot in first half
Konsa 4 - very fortunate to get away with that clearance...couple of solid clearances but thought our CB pair were bullied easily by Isak
Torres 4 - poor yet again. Failing to cut out a series of crosses from that side, could have scored
Digne 6 - best of our back line with a reasonable display at both ends.
Kamara 5 - lost ball in build up to first. Overran really thereafter
Onana 6 - very good game spoiled by the error for the third goal
McGinn 3 - MIA for the first goal and a horror show in truth. Passing was back to championship level days.
Rogers 4 - a few good runs but a bit flat today and switched off for second goal
Tielemans 4 - miles off it and fortunate wasn't punished for being caught in possession
Duran 0 - started very well I thought but red cost us the game
Barkley had some nice touches, granted game was done. Kostas looks lost I'm afraid, maybe Buendia's last minutes for us. Watkins hardly had a kick. Bailey a bit meh but game was done anyway.
Thanks for cheering us all up.
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Game obviously turned on red card, soft but don't think Duran can have as any complaints. We had played our way back into the game after the early goal. I thought pre game that Emery should have made a few changes and so it turned out. A number of our players looked leggy from the off. Damage limitation exercise once the killer second went in.
Martinez 6 - very lucky to get away with another pass to nobody that Newcastle should have punished. Some solid saves.
Cash 5 - not to blame for first for me but awful use of possession in attacking areas again. Had to square that shot in first half
Konsa 4 - very fortunate to get away with that clearance...couple of solid clearances but thought our CB pair were bullied easily by Isak
Torres 4 - poor yet again. Failing to cut out a series of crosses from that side, could have scored
Digne 6 - best of our back line with a reasonable display at both ends.
Kamara 5 - lost ball in build up to first. Overran really thereafter
Onana 6 - very good game spoiled by the error for the third goal
McGinn 3 - MIA for the first goal and a horror show in truth. Passing was back to championship level days.
Rogers 4 - a few good runs but a bit flat today and switched off for second goal
Tielemans 4 - miles off it and fortunate wasn't punished for being caught in possession
Duran 0 - started very well I thought but red cost us the game
Barkley had some nice touches, granted game was done. Kostas looks lost I'm afraid, maybe Buendia's last minutes for us. Watkins hardly had a kick. Bailey a bit meh but game was done anyway.
Thanks for cheering us all up.
Rogers’ lay offs lack accuracy, twice today he put us on the back foot with poor execution. He’s a good player who needs to be more with it if he’s trying something fancy.
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Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.
Not sure if you noticed but we didn't play the whole game with 11 men. We were certainly on top before the red card. Maybe you were watching Forest?
Were we? If you re read ny post i acknowledged the 10 men. Are you sure you were not watching citeh game? We were average at best and i wouldnt say we were on top. More even game but we just collapsed after the 10 men [the usual when we go to 10]
We were coming back into the game and starting to control the ball, so your initial point about us being bad for the whole game is incorrect. We started badly, pulled ourselves together then Duran goes and it all goes pear shaped.
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Game obviously turned on red card, soft but don't think Duran can have as any complaints. We had played our way back into the game after the early goal. I thought pre game that Emery should have made a few changes and so it turned out. A number of our players looked leggy from the off. Damage limitation exercise once the killer second went in.
Martinez 6 - very lucky to get away with another pass to nobody that Newcastle should have punished. Some solid saves.
Cash 5 - not to blame for first for me but awful use of possession in attacking areas again. Had to square that shot in first half
Konsa 4 - very fortunate to get away with that clearance...couple of solid clearances but thought our CB pair were bullied easily by Isak
Torres 4 - poor yet again. Failing to cut out a series of crosses from that side, could have scored
Digne 6 - best of our back line with a reasonable display at both ends.
Kamara 5 - lost ball in build up to first. Overran really thereafter
Onana 6 - very good game spoiled by the error for the third goal
McGinn 3 - MIA for the first goal and a horror show in truth. Passing was back to championship level days.
Rogers 4 - a few good runs but a bit flat today and switched off for second goal
Tielemans 4 - miles off it and fortunate wasn't punished for being caught in possession
Duran 0 - started very well I thought but red cost us the game
Barkley had some nice touches, granted game was done. Kostas looks lost I'm afraid, maybe Buendia's last minutes for us. Watkins hardly had a kick. Bailey a bit meh but game was done anyway.
The oppo clearly saw Kamara as a key player because they really didn't give him any space at all.
I was surprised that Watkins came on so early: we conceded the midfield to them as a result.
I agree that Buendia really doesn't answer any questions.
You write off Nedeljkovic too easily: he'll be fine with some more minutes on the pitch.
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Standard!
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Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.
Not sure if you noticed but we didn't play the whole game with 11 men. We were certainly on top before the red card. Maybe you were watching Forest?
Were we? If you re read ny post i acknowledged the 10 men. Are you sure you were not watching citeh game? We were average at best and i wouldnt say we were on top. More even game but we just collapsed after the 10 men [the usual when we go to 10]
We were coming back into the game and starting to control the ball, so your initial point about us being bad for the whole game is incorrect. We started badly, pulled ourselves together then Duran goes and it all goes pear shaped.
I disagree think you are being kind there. We were not. Apart from that freekick that duran wanted to take we created virtually nothing. I think clutching at straws. Being on top is like we okayed vs citeh. We were nowhere near that level today with 11 or 10.
Bad day at the offfice
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Sending off decision was correct, imo. But otherwise I thought the referee was terrible.
100% incorrect. Schar catches Duran 1st, Duran goes over on his left foot so where can his right foot go when it goes down? Nowhere except on to Schar! No intent whatsoever. Not even a yellow, just a coming together and Duran had every right to challenge a 50:50 ball. Linton on the other hand DELIBERATELY swung an arm in Rogers face but no red?
On TV they made a big deal about Duran's right foot stamp. I think he had a go with his left first tbh, he was just stupid. I really hope some of the senior players have a word with him, Unai wouldn't even look at him as him went off, after hoofing tgat bottle.
Referee had a shocker, gave them a free kick on the edge of the box after Cash got thrown to the deck. Which I thought they should've scored from. It definitely seemed he was getting influenced by the crowd.
Not sure switching ends after the toss was a good idea at all, not sure why they did that? Never usually works out for the away team.
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No way can I see our appeal being successful and there is even the possiblity of an extra match ban, for in their eyes it been a frivolous appeal.
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I really hope Tyrone returns for the next game. Why does Emery continue to leave him out? He can organise the defence as we all saw against Brentford when he got man-of-the match. Baffling.
Defence was pretty organised against Citeh. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but Brentford were dire and it’s not illustrative one way or the other in terms of organisation. He is probably the best in the air of our centre backs.
Ill get shot down for this, but despite the scoreline and performance, I dont think Torres and Digne did a lot wrong today.
The sending off killed us, but we completely lost the midfield battle today. Virtually everyone one of them
was out muscled. Not singling him out as the game was already lost, but Beundia looked like he was playing in the wrong division, slow, weak, ponderous
Don't think Onana was outmuscled. He won a lot of tackles today and held his own. Game turned on the red card really.
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Today was tough after the start and then the red card. But we now have 3 very winnable games, 9 points up for grabs with Arsenal in the middle. The table could look much better in about a month.
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It was clear the ref was a homer from just before the sending off. A perfectly good tackle by Onana was given as a free kick. From the free kick a foul was given against Cash even though he was clearly pulled round by the shirt.
I think the sending off was debatable. Stopped watching at that point.
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Sending off decision was correct, imo. But otherwise I thought the referee was terrible.
100% incorrect. Schar catches Duran 1st, Duran goes over on his left foot so where can his right foot go when it goes down? Nowhere except on to Schar! No intent whatsoever. Not even a yellow, just a coming together and Duran had every right to challenge a 50:50 ball. Linton on the other hand DELIBERATELY swung an arm in Rogers face but no red?
On TV they made a big deal about Duran's right foot stamp. I think he had a go with his left first tbh, he was just stupid. I really hope some of the senior players have a word with him, Unai wouldn't even look at him as him went off, after hoofing tgat bottle.
Referee had a shocker, gave them a free kick on the edge of the box after Cash got thrown to the deck. Which I thought they should've scored from. It definitely seemed he was getting influenced by the crowd.
Not sure switching ends after the toss was a good idea at all, not sure why they did that? Never usually works out for the away team.
He wrongly gave them a free kick on the halfway line then they launched it to the edge our box Cash got fouled and he again wrongly gave them the free kick in a great position. In the second half Rogers went on a great run from the halfway line then when he got fouled in a great position on the edge of their box he for no apparent reason he bought it back to the halfway line to give us a free kick there. Three inexplicable decisions from a piss poor referee. I'll say again that the ref did not cause us to lose that was of our own making and credit their tactics but fuck me he was bizarrely bad at times.
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Thing is, I think it was probably a red, but the same interpretation of the footage that Duran did it on purpose would mean assuming Schar kicked him in the bollocks on purpose too. Which you have to take into account, as it's the obvious reason why Duran did it.
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Today was tough after the start and then the red card. But we now have 3 very winnable games, 9 points up for grabs with Arsenal in the middle. The table could look much better in about a month.
You are right Toronto, but we need Bailey and Watkins to find form. We are down Duran for a few games, he usually pulls our chestnuts out of the fire if we are in bother if Watkins is having a bad day. We need Bailey to get fit. Three winnable games could be tricky if we are carrying a few passengers.
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It's not too often I think the referee has truly materially impacted the flow of a game in favour of one team, but today was just inexcusable.
It was most obvious before the red when we started to look the better team. A whole series of ridiculous decisions went in Newcastle's favour, ending with the two 'free kicks' just before the red. The one on the half way line was never ever a foul, and the second was quite clearly a foul on Cash! He then gave the red based on the atmosphere and the crowd. I think Newcastle had a plan to try to wind up Duran and react massively if he responded at all. You see Schar actually kicked out at Duran first, then both the keeper and Burn were arms raised asking for a red in a flash. It was a trap that the referee fell for.
Not to mention Gordon with multiple unpunished shirt pulls, and the ref calling us back for Villa free kicks instead of letting us play on twice. It's a difficult place to go, but there's no hope when so many decisions go against you.
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If Taylor isn't a bent ref, he did a very good impersonation of one.
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Just read Louise Taylor’s match report in the Guardian. If she thinks the sending off was dubious then it probably was. She’s pretty Newcastle uber alles usually.
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Duran had a cob on before the red, got a red, had a cob on once off the pitch. He's shown signs of maturity recently but he is still only just 21 and will hopefully learn.
We were never going to win, we rarely win away on Boxing Day in the PL, we rarely win at SJP.
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Game obviously turned on red card, soft but don't think Duran can have as any complaints. We had played our way back into the game after the early goal. I thought pre game that Emery should have made a few changes and so it turned out. A number of our players looked leggy from the off. Damage limitation exercise once the killer second went in.
Martinez 6 - very lucky to get away with another pass to nobody that Newcastle should have punished. Some solid saves.
Cash 5 - not to blame for first for me but awful use of possession in attacking areas again. Had to square that shot in first half
Konsa 4 - very fortunate to get away with that clearance...couple of solid clearances but thought our CB pair were bullied easily by Isak
Torres 4 - poor yet again. Failing to cut out a series of crosses from that side, could have scored
Digne 6 - best of our back line with a reasonable display at both ends.
Kamara 5 - lost ball in build up to first. Overran really thereafter
Onana 6 - very good game spoiled by the error for the third goal
McGinn 3 - MIA for the first goal and a horror show in truth. Passing was back to championship level days.
Rogers 4 - a few good runs but a bit flat today and switched off for second goal
Tielemans 4 - miles off it and fortunate wasn't punished for being caught in possession
Duran 0 - started very well I thought but red cost us the game
Barkley had some nice touches, granted game was done. Kostas looks lost I'm afraid, maybe Buendia's last minutes for us. Watkins hardly had a kick. Bailey a bit meh but game was done anyway.
The oppo clearly saw Kamara as a key player because they really didn't give him any space at all.
I was surprised that Watkins came on so early: we conceded the midfield to them as a result.
I agree that Buendia really doesn't answer any questions.
You write off Nedeljkovic too easily: he'll be fine with some more minutes on the pitch.
Watkins had to come on I thought but was always going to be a tough stint in the second half. His hold up play and general touch looked a bit off. Anyway, chance for him to lay down a marker v Brighton.
Newcastle brought a lot of energy around the middle today. Bruno G and Joelinton are exceptional athletes. Murphy while limited is a runner and Gordon dropped inside a lot. We struggled with that as likes of McGinn, Tielemans and Rogers looked flat from the first whistle in comparison. But we were back in the game until the red card.
Anyway, Tielemans, Watkins, Kamara to mention three shouldn't be all that fatigued for Brighton.
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Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.
We weren't at all, we did react well and were playing with decent possession in good areas of the pitch
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Only Duran will ever know if he meant that!!!
But Newcastle, every other team, crowd and referee know his reputation. Any benefit of the doubt has gone out the window. Newcastle and others will exploit that to the hilt.
Duran needs to be squeaky clean from now on. His reputation precedes him.
May have cost us a point or more today.
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Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.
We weren't at all, we did react well and were playing with decent possession in good areas of the pitch
Disagree as i said we did virtually nothing most of the game as a attacking force. We did not play well at all today. All you need to do is compare it to city and you can see we hit nowhere those levels. Id argue we were better vs forest too before the late collapse
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Toon Twitter crediting Dubravka & Burn reaction in turning ref's mind from yellow to red. Unai has a fair point in allowing VAR to make the call.
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Toon Twitter crediting Dubravka & Burn reaction in turning ref's mind from yellow to red. Unai has a fair point in allowing VAR to make the call.
Martinez would have been booked if he had reacted to any incident like Dubravka did….
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Thing is if the original objective of VAR was really to correct that obviously poor decisions (accepting the purpose of it has been a bit of a bumpy road since introduction) then I’m not sure it’s a decision to overrule. You’re essentially trying to determine the intent, which is entirely subjective.
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We struggle when teams come at us and press hard that is why it puzzles me why Mings was not selected for this one. We were lucky that it was only 3-0. I give Emery his due, he has said that he expected a drop off this season with all the extra games to be played. There are games where you can play the ball out of defence this was not one of them, we got caught out to often. We need a win against Brighton and i'm thinking this will not be easy.
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Results and performances like today are why we still aren’t taken seriously and considered one of the big boys..
Until we can be consistent, week after week after week, then we will always be considered as an also rans.
Forest, at the moment, are Villa, this time last year. They should relish it, because like for us, it will be fleeting success.
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We struggle when teams come at us and press hard that is why it puzzles me why Mings was not selected for this one. We were lucky that it was only 3-0. I give Emery his due, he has said that he expected a drop off this season with all the extra games to be played. There are games where you can play the ball out of defence this was not one of them, we got caught out to often. We need a win against Brighton and i'm thinking this will not be easy.
It's bizarre that Mings hasn't played a minute, to my memory, since getting motm v Brentford.
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Results and performances like today are why we still aren’t taken seriously and considered one of the big boys..
Until we can be consistent, week after week after week, then we will always be considered as an also rans.
Forest, at the moment, are Villa, this time last year. They should relish it, because like for us, it will be fleeting success.
Forest really should relish it as you say but I refuse to believe our success is fleeting. There's a lot more to come from this squad, this manager and these owners. Today was no more than a bump in the road on our journey to success.
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We struggle when teams come at us and press hard that is why it puzzles me why Mings was not selected for this one. We were lucky that it was only 3-0. I give Emery his due, he has said that he expected a drop off this season with all the extra games to be played. There are games where you can play the ball out of defence this was not one of them, we got caught out to often. We need a win against Brighton and i'm thinking this will not be easy.
It's bizarre that Mings hasn't played a minute, to my memory, since getting motm v Brentford.
There'll be perfectly normal reasons, he was meant to play against Forest until the illness caught up with him.
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I sent a message to my mate at half time wondering how much money the red had trousered for this game. It was so bent it was criminal.
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No it wasn’t - that’s Arsenal fan nonsense. If we want to debate competency fair enough, but corruption - really? To what end exactly?
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We struggle when teams come at us and press hard that is why it puzzles me why Mings was not selected for this one. We were lucky that it was only 3-0. I give Emery his due, he has said that he expected a drop off this season with all the extra games to be played. There are games where you can play the ball out of defence this was not one of them, we got caught out to often. We need a win against Brighton and i'm thinking this will not be easy.
When we played them at home in Emery's first season and bear them 3-0, we deliberately didn't play from the back because of their press.
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We struggle when teams come at us and press hard that is why it puzzles me why Mings was not selected for this one. We were lucky that it was only 3-0. I give Emery his due, he has said that he expected a drop off this season with all the extra games to be played. There are games where you can play the ball out of defence this was not one of them, we got caught out to often. We need a win against Brighton and i'm thinking this will not be easy.
It's bizarre that Mings hasn't played a minute, to my memory, since getting motm v Brentford.
There'll be perfectly normal reasons, he was meant to play against Forest until the illness caught up with him.
We have played five games since Brentford, Forest sure he was meant to play. Still strikes me as strange. Torres was never going to be able to deal with Isak today.
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Coped alright with Haaland last week. Before you say it, I know Isak is on form and Haaland is struggling. But this idea that Torres can’t defend, and basically when we win it’s in spite of him and when we lose it’s down to him just isn’t the case. He makes mistakes, but so do all of our dedenders.
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Dog shit again, too easy to score against. Another game where we ship 2 or more. The defensive plan needs changing.
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In fairness we were down to ten men for over an hour. We had got some control after the early goal.
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Atrocious refereeing matched only by our atrocious performance. To go a goal down inside 2 minutes is pathetic.
Our central defence is a shambles , worst defence in the top 12 and we are now down to 9th.
Thought onana had a decent game spoiled by the error for goal 3 .
Watkins now gets his chance to make the 9 spot his again .
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One day, don't know where when, don't know when, we won't play absolute Blues up there and fold like a cheap suit at the first sign of pressure.
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I suppose I do know where, Newcastle. Although I'm not ruling out league games in Riyadh or that bonkers city they're building.
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Much as I hate the Saudi authorities, I think that Line city sounds cool. Very Philip K. Dick.
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Atrocious refereeing matched only by our atrocious performance. To go a goal down inside 2 minutes is pathetic. It's a red card too, if that was against one of our players nobody would be debating it. Just when we thought Duran was maturing he does an immature action like that which the desperate Newcastle players pounced upon . So silly.
Our central defence is a shambles , worst defence in the top 12 and we are now down to 9th.
Thought onana had a decent game spoiled by the error for goal 3 .
Watkins now gets his chance to make the 9 spot his again .
It's not a red card and neither Newcastle manager or motd do either. It's accidental
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Well MOTD didn't think it was a red.
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Atrocious refereeing matched only by our atrocious performance. To go a goal down inside 2 minutes is pathetic. It's a red card too, if that was against one of our players nobody would be debating it. Just when we thought Duran was maturing he does an immature action like that which the desperate Newcastle players pounced upon . So silly.
Our central defence is a shambles , worst defence in the top 12 and we are now down to 9th.
Thought onana had a decent game spoiled by the error for goal 3 .
Watkins now gets his chance to make the 9 spot his again .
It's not a red card and neither Newcastle manager or motd do either. It's accidental
Yeah looking at it again in slow motion it's an ankle slip . I think the 3 game ban will be overturned .
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Even Shearer said it wasn't a red - shafted by yet another shit or bent ref again!
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Watch how the ref at Saints v West Ham did the right thing and overturned a dubious red
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No it wasn’t - that’s Arsenal fan nonsense. If we want to debate competency fair enough, but corruption - really? To what end exactly?
He had a really poor game and probably got swayed by the crowd crowd several times. I agree with others that Newcastle probably had a game plan for the exact scenario that saw Duran sent off and the ref fell for it hook line and sinker. Bravo Newcastle I wish we would learn to use the dark arts more often. But the weakness of the referee was not the reason we lost. They had a game plan that worked and it wasn't just tactical it was also about manipulating the referee. Talk of corruption is conspiracy theory nonsense worthy of a Trump supporter rally.
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Even Shearer said it wasn't a red - shafted by yet another shit or bent ref again!
and duran got a right kick in the bollocks too
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The Joelinton elbow on Rogers should have been looked at , also Gordon shirt pulling two or 3 times and he gets away with it . Really poor ref today , he has form though .
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David Coote = zero confidence in PGMOL
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If you take a look at the 2 decisions in the Tottenham/Chelsea game a few weeks ago. The over the top, high challenge and the elbow. The excuses given for not sending them off were weak and both should’ve gone.It’s the inconsistencies on a game to game basis and the way VAR can manipulate incidents to back referee’s on pitch decisions. VAR is a waste of time and will be unless you get people in there who can speak with no relationship to the officials.
The people we have in charge of refereeing and the referees themselves just aren’t good enough. The red card today should be challenged and cancelled but it won’t be. All supporters are massively frustrated by it and by the inconsistency of match officials.
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Coped alright with Haaland last week. Before you say it, I know Isak is on form and Haaland is struggling. But this idea that Torres can’t defend, and basically when we win it’s in spite of him and when we lose it’s down to him just isn’t the case. He makes mistakes, but so do all of our dedenders.
Torres is at his best when a team steps off us and his playmaking skills come to the fore. That was never likely today. When he needs to defend in the PL he is very average. How many times did Konsa have to clear low crosses coming in from the left side? Konsa was poor today too, mind. Ideal game for Mings to start or even come on at half time to get minutes into him.
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Coped alright with Haaland last week. Before you say it, I know Isak is on form and Haaland is struggling. But this idea that Torres can’t defend, and basically when we win it’s in spite of him and when we lose it’s down to him just isn’t the case. He makes mistakes, but so do all of our dedenders.
Torres is at his best when a team steps off us and his playmaking skills come to the fore. That was never likely today. When he needs to defend in the PL he is very average. How many times did Konsa have to clear low crosses coming in from the left side? Konsa was poor today too, mind. Ideal game for Mings to start or even come on at half time to get minutes into him.
Defensively having to accommodate Torres is a major issue . The stats don't lie. Not sure Emery wants to accept it though. We need a RB in January and then get back to Konsa / Mings in the middle and Digne is quality at LB .
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Atrocious refereeing matched only by our atrocious performance. To go a goal down inside 2 minutes is pathetic.
Our central defence is a shambles , worst defence in the top 12 and we are now down to 9th.
Thought onana had a decent game spoiled by the error for goal 3 .
Watkins now gets his c⁸hance to make the 9 spot his again .
Going a goal down inside 2 minutes is pathetic? What a daft comment. That happens all the time. Sometimes to the best of them. It's not pathetic but its not an ideal start to a game of football. It's how you respond that determines things and we just never got ourselves back into the game at all. Hate to say it but Eddie Howe had our number again today and Emery couldn't come up with a meaningful response. Thays now 9 points from 9 scoring 2 conceding 11. Now those stats are pathetic and Eddie Howe is fast becoming Unai Emery's nemesis.
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I mean, conceding goals early as frequently as we do is piss poor. I basically almost expect it to happen.
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That was never a red for me. he slid on his left and fell towards the right with very little force against the player. Unless he could have removed his leg not much chance of avoiding that. Maybe he could have turned his foot, but cannot see that was intentional.
Dubravka got him sent off, it was accidental he was falling over Duran could do nothing about where his foot landed. The reaction of Dubravka got Duran sent off, even the commentators said accidental until Dubravkas reaction. The ref was weak and reacted to Dubravka and the crowd and because how VAR is set up couldn't correct the weak ref. To think that ref is seen as the best in England, how can the best league in the world have such sub standard officials.
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We struggle when teams come at us and press hard that is why it puzzles me why Mings was not selected for this one. We were lucky that it was only 3-0. I give Emery his due, he has said that he expected a drop off this season with all the extra games to be played.
What puzzles me is why UE won't change anything in how we play when everybody knows we struggle when teams come at us. If the system does not need tweaking then the most likely conclusion must be he feels performances can only be addressed through player upgrades.
I also think this recent thing from UE about how our league form was sure to suffer sounds a bit like rationalization after the fact. I believe the club expected us to do better in the league and he is feeling a little bit of pressure which is telling in how he suddenly has questioned a few refereeing decisions - something he just never did before. I don't hold it against him, it's human.
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Villa's passing accuracy was atrocious at times yesterday. We needlessly gave the ball away at least 3 times on the edge of the area - McGinn twice, Onana and even Martinez with one very poor pass. We keep folding too easily in away games. Emery needs to start Tyrone against Brighton to try and get some stability at the back.
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The reason Mings if fit should have played is he is mouthy and shouts his orders out, he is a commanding presence. I have no qualms with Torres he is a decent player but for this one knowing the way they play we needed a general in defence and Torres isn't that. After being caught out for their first Cash nearly made the same mistake later on, he gave his apponent far to much space and was being yelled at to get to him. Not many of us expected a result from this, as I look at it we are still into team building, to get to where we are in the short amount of time is amazing, Emery can see the weaknesses it's whether we can fill the gaps, time will tell.
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Although the ref was generally shite, it was definitely a red card. The actions of a petulant child. You could see he was fuming that he wasn’t allowed to take a free kick. Not only did he ensure we lost that game, that’ll be 3 more games without him too.
Needs to grow up really quickly if we’re ready to gleefully march Watkins out of the door.
Yet Unai, Shearer Nevin and all disagree
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest what? Are you saying it wasn’t Duran’s studs on the defender’s back?
Really?... Its the intent that is in question
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The thing that made me most angry about the sending off was that it shouldn't have happened in the first place. The whole incident stemmed from the free kick that was awarded on the edge of our box when the whole world and his dog could see it was Cash that was being fouled. They had a shot that Martinez saved, that lead to a Villa break away. I haven't seen such an inept refereeing performance in a long time. Actually it shouldn't be called inept, more like corrupt. Wouldn't surprise me if the ref has a nice new shiny car on his drive when he returns home. The performance from Villa today was poor, no question about it, but they were playing against twelve men from the very start. I never really moan too much about match officials, but that was about as one sided refereeing as I have seen in a very, very long time.
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That's the last 2 away games now at Forest and Newcastle where the ref/VAR have screwed us over with major decisions. I really hope the Duran red card is overturned, but can you trust them to do so? Even Eddie Howe said the decision was harsh and basically not a red.
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That's the last 2 away games now at Forest and Newcastle where the ref/VAR have screwed us over with major decisions. I really hope the Duran red card is overturned, but can you trust them to do so? Even Eddie Howe said the decision was harsh and basically not a red.
I'd agree with the Forest one - it was a blatant pen. Last season it gets given but this season guidance is to use it more sparingly.
Yesterday's looked very foolish to me by Duran and one of those where replays make it look even worse. We'll see whether it gets overturned. Nobody can 'prove' the intent, only JD will know for sure, but he doesn't get to decide.
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Regarding VAR yesterday, I can only presume that they agreed with the red card. If the ref had given a yellow, they would possibly have asked the ref to look at it. It's nonsense if that's how it works.
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It was obvious to see that his standing leg slid out from under him and affected how he landed with his other leg. It reminded me of the one where Fernandes got sent off when he slipped and his other leg kicked the player which was rescinded. I thought he should have got sent off though seeing as he's a cheating vermin face and plays for ManUre.
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,
When is the appeal heard?
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Apologies if this has been already posted, but it kind of sums up playing against these niggly wankers. They are snidey, leave their foot in, wrestle anybody attempting to break away. And they get away with it time and again.
It’s like playing against Wimbledon, except they have quality upfront rather than John Fashanu. If referees did their job this team would be lower mid table, but they never seem to.
We have a problem playing against teams who bully us. Spurs did it, and so did Forest. But the sending off completely ruined us yesterday and we were actually dealing with the physical stuff much better.
I’m not reading anything at all into this result.
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Apologies if this has been already posted, but it kind of sums up playing against these niggly wankers. They are snidey, leave their foot in, wrestle anybody attempting to break away. And they get away with it time and again.
It’s like playing against Wimbledon, except they have quality upfront rather than John Fashanu. If referees did their job this team would be lower mid table, but they never seem to.
We have a problem playing against teams who bully us. Spurs did it, and so did Forest. But the sending off completely ruined us yesterday and we were actually dealing with the physical stuff much better.
I’m not reading anything at all into this result.
Scharr is actually looking at where he's planting his boot. Right into Durans goolies. That should have been looked at in isolation and he should of been red carded. VAR badly mishandled that whole scenario. It's either a red for both players or it's a telling off for both players. To single out Duran as the aggressor is patently wrong. Duran and the referee fell for Newcastles game plan and it worked.
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Even arch Geordie Shearer thinks it was poor decision. I can’t understand Villa fans saying it was a definite red. It was a shit decision that was made in a hurry by a shocking ref who was influenced by the stadium, bench and Newcastle players who all ran towards him.
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Having watched MOTD now it was clearly accidental, the appeal should be succesful, for those in doubt just watch MOTD.
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I've just seen it back again and from the angle behind, it was the way he put his foot down which made it look maybe worse than it was. Obviously the way their players reacted didnt help.
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Having watched MOTD now it was clearly accidental, the appeal should be succesful, for those in doubt just watch MOTD.
Having seen it again, I think I’d agree.
I called it a Red at the time but he's been unlucky as he was up against a ref who'd made his mind up instantly.
VAR should at least have told him to check the footage.
Will the thing get overturned though?
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,
I’ll be wrong if the appeal is upheld. I hope I am.
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Regarding VAR yesterday, I can only presume that they agreed with the red card. If the ref had given a yellow, they would possibly have asked the ref to look at it. It's nonsense if that's how it works.
Regarding VAR yesterday, I can only presume that they agreed with the red card. If the ref had given a yellow, they would possibly have asked the ref to look at it. It's nonsense if that's how it works.
VAR didn't disagree as it had no grounds too. If the ref gives it red as a violent conduct due to the stamp then unless it shows no stamp then it will get upheld. Not sure I have a problem with that par se.
That is different from Rogers foul v Forest where a review clearly shows penalty - no different to Kane v Netherlands
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,
I’ll be wrong if the appeal is upheld. I hope I am.
Are you sure about that? Because from this and the match thread you seemed to be very happy that Duran had fucked up and all the people that had suggested he may take over from Ollie were proven wrong.
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Analysis - Was Duran harshly sent off? - https://www.bbc.com/sport/videos/cvgp3y2gle2o
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Analysis - Was Duran harshly sent off? - https://www.bbc.com/sport/videos/cvgp3y2gle2o
Its a good analysis. I was a bit undecided, but that was actually helpful. I said to my son before the game that Taylor is such a poor ref, so it proved. Yes we were already 0-1 down, but contrary to what a couple of posters on here think, we were playing our way back into the game. That sending off killed us.
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Apparently there was a 20 man brawl in the tunnel at half time.
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Apparently there was a 20 man brawl in the tunnel at half time.
I'm not surprised. Newcastle are a very physical very niggly team who obviously know how to influence the referee as was demonstrated in the Duran incident. I think the halo over Saint Eddie Howe's napper has slipped somewhat. At the end of the day though it's professional sport and their job is to find a way of winning. Everyone else's job is to find a way of counteracting that. That's something to concern ourselves with when we come up against them again. Right now we have to co concentrate on our next two games which are pretty winnable. 6 points would propel us nicely back up the table.
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Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.
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To add insult to injury a Villa coach had it's window put through after the match.
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Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.
I’m in this camp. Same with the players, their keeper sprinted out and was on the scene making a fuss, we all think he’s a wanker but there’s a lot of people on here who think our players are too timid and accept all decisions.
It’s a fine line but I’d say we’re a very quiet team, I suppose it shows discipline and reflects UE’s personality and the way he wants to be but it does feel as though we get walked over quite a bit. Plus everyone likes a few shithouses in their team, players that other fans love to hate. We’ve only got Big Emi and he’s calmed down recently.
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Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.
I’m in this camp. Same with the players, their keeper sprinted out and was on the scene making a fuss, we all think he’s a wanker but there’s a lot of people on here who think our players are too timid and accept all decisions.
It’s a fine line but I’d say we’re a very quiet team, I suppose it shows discipline and reflects UE’s personality and the way he wants to be but it does feel as though we get walked over quite a bit. Plus everyone likes a few shithouses in their team, players that other fans love to hate. We’ve only got Big Emi and he’s calmed down recently.
We weren't quiet v Cit-eh on Saturday to be fair. We wound them up big time. Maybe it's a home thing.
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,
I’ll be wrong if the appeal is upheld. I hope I am.
Are you sure about that? Because from this and the match thread you seemed to be very happy that Duran had fucked up and all the people that had suggested he may take over from Ollie were proven wrong.
I’m a bit surprised you’d think that, but fair enough. Did I even post on the match thread?
I was absolutely furious he’d fucked up, not happy in the slightest, and I don’t think it’s proven anything of the sort. I would have started Duran, I think we’re going to miss him massively over the next couple of weeks, I also think it’s likely he’ll take over from Watkins. I just think people that now want to wash their hands of Watkins are ridiculous.
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Initial reaction was oh dear red card. Only through watching the slow motion from that one angle do you see the slip , the cause and effect. The ref can't see that and that's where VAR should help.
As for the 20 man brawl yeah that's very Newcastle it's in their DNA lumps like Dan Burn and Joelinton and Scharr. Eddie Howe is a snidey fucker too.
Let's just smash them at villa park like the other year.
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Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.
Yes we probably would and we would have been wrong too. That's football fans for ya.
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Analysis - Was Duran harshly sent off? - https://www.bbc.com/sport/videos/cvgp3y2gle2o
I think the first action is why he’s sent off. That angle from behind looks like he’s planted his foot on the floor, but it’s actually on the man and I think on purpose.
Hopefully the Premier League see it the same way as Shearer. He’s going to be hugely important for us in the next few weeks. He needs to understand that people are going to wind him up and he needs to deal with it. Maybe start with not being furious at his own teammates for not letting him take a free kick.
Or just let him take them.
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I thought Mings should have started this one, we've been poor away from home and it's a heated atmosphere against a physical dirty team. We needed his physicality and leadership. Maybe there was a fear he'd have some PTSD after what happened last time.
I love Kamara but the first goal is on him I think, caught out of position giving the ball away cheaply leaving them a lot of space to run into. If I have one small criticism of him it's that he does often have a slow first 5-10 minutes in games.
On the Duran incident I think he felt the Newcastle player got him first, so he didn't make as much effort to avoid him as he could have. But he didn't fully commit to a dangerous act.
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Today was tough after the start and then the red card. But we now have 3 very winnable games, 9 points up for grabs with Arsenal in the middle. The table could look much better in about a month.
Suppose it's the same for most of the teams around us, but we're definitely benefiting from how open the league is this season. Can't remember the exact number, but I saw something saying this time last year we had x amount of points more than we have now, and we just managed to hold onto 4th by the end of the season. Teams are bouncing from 9th to 4th and back again every weekend this season. A bit of consistency would come in very handy now.
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You can’t call it a dangerous act, a stamp, an intention to hurt.
There is no force or unnatural movement.
Nothing to warrant a sending off.
With this one, would have been great to have had the rugby setup where they put them in the sin bin to give VAR time to actually look at what happened, rather than just agree that there was contact made.
Ended up ruining what was shaping up to be a really fine spectacle between two evenly matched teams.
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,
I’ll be wrong if the appeal is upheld. I hope I am.
I wasn't saying you're wrong about the card, i was pointing out that you were wrong to say it wasn't worth our while as they obviously think it is
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Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.
No we wouldn't were not all one eyed with no sense of fairness.
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,
I’ll be wrong if the appeal is upheld. I hope I am.
I wasn't saying you're wrong about the card, i was pointing out that you were wrong to say it wasn't worth our while as they obviously think it is
No, I understand what you’re saying, but if the suspension remains, it was a waste of time appealing. Hence me saying I didn’t think it was worthwhile.
I might even be wrong about the red card, there’s enough people with opposing viewpoints that I’m questioning it. At the time Duran was clearly pissed off and I thought he might do something stupid. There was a bit just before where Joelinton was holding onto him and Duran was trying to whack his arm away. It was clearly part of their game plan to wind him up and he’s obviously easily wound up.
I have no ulterior motive other than his red card ruined our chances and I thought he did it on purpose. I certainly don’t give a shit about being proven right about anything.
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Regarding VAR yesterday, I can only presume that they agreed with the red card. If the ref had given a yellow, they would possibly have asked the ref to look at it. It's nonsense if that's how it works.
It's this stupid ruling now that VAR will not interfere if they don't totally disagree. They have the advantage of a close up replay and could have said look how Duran's left foot buckles could this affect his right foot placement. But no as they choose to not get involved they don't use the very reason they are there.
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Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.
Yes we probably would and we would have been wrong too. That's football fans for ya.
Most people I have seen today have disagreed with the decision. I was watching with a Wolves fan, he didn't think it was a red. Most people on Twitter seem to think it was not a red. The only place I keep seeing people say it's a red is on here?
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Regarding VAR yesterday, I can only presume that they agreed with the red card. If the ref had given a yellow, they would possibly have asked the ref to look at it. It's nonsense if that's how it works.
It's this stupid ruling now that VAR will not interfere if they don't totally disagree. They have the advantage of a close up replay and could have said look how Duran's left foot buckles could this affect his right foot placement. But no as they choose to not get involved they don't use the very reason they are there.
I agree and I'm starting to question the point of VAR if they won't take just a little time over such a decision. At least, they could have asked Taylor to take a look at it on the screens
There would appear to be very strong grounds for appeal and I hope the club does so. And, if successful, that VAR gets its act together over this type of thing
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We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.
Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.
Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,
I’ll be wrong if the appeal is upheld. I hope I am.
Are you sure about that? Because from this and the match thread you seemed to be very happy that Duran had fucked up and all the people that had suggested he may take over from Ollie were proven wrong.
I’m a bit surprised you’d think that, but fair enough. Did I even post on the match thread?
I was absolutely furious he’d fucked up, not happy in the slightest, and I don’t think it’s proven anything of the sort. I would have started Duran, I think we’re going to miss him massively over the next couple of weeks, I also think it’s likely he’ll take over from Watkins. I just think people that now want to wash their hands of Watkins are ridiculous.
You did post on the match thread. In the style of Watkins’s mum, as usual!
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Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.
Yes we probably would and we would have been wrong too. That's football fans for ya.
Most people I have seen today have disagreed with the decision. I was watching with a Wolves fan, he didn't think it was a red. Most people on Twitter seem to think it was not a red. The only place I keep seeing people say it's a red is on here?
And they will die on that hill rather than change their opinion.
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You did post on the match thread. In the style of Watkins’s mum, as usual!
Don’t remember posting but that does sound like me.
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Dermot thinks appeal will be rejected. He also feels it was a red
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It wasn't a red & at best Taylor guessed the decision, was influenced by the Newcastle players & crowd. But I wouldn't be surprised if any appeal is rejected. They make it up as they go along.
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Dermot thinks appeal will be rejected. He also feels it was a red
Can’t quite believe Sky still pay him for his ‘opinion’ that is always clearly briefed directly from PGMOL…he is one of the chief arse coverers. But whilst he is clearly wrong on it being a red he is probably right that it won’t be rescinded.
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Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.
I’m in this camp. Same with the players, their keeper sprinted out and was on the scene making a fuss, we all think he’s a wanker but there’s a lot of people on here who think our players are too timid and accept all decisions.
It’s a fine line but I’d say we’re a very quiet team, I suppose it shows discipline and reflects UE’s personality and the way he wants to be but it does feel as though we get walked over quite a bit. Plus everyone likes a few shithouses in their team, players that other fans love to hate. We’ve only got Big Emi and he’s calmed down recently.
That’s all very well but if Emi did the same the ref would probably send him off too.
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Dermot thinks appeal will be rejected. He also feels it was a red
Well it doesn’t fit with the criteria he always falls back on.
Was there force in the challenge? No. Did he endanger the opponent? No. Was the movement intentional? Only Duran knows that, but there is easily enough to give him the benefit of the doubt given he could easily have ruptured ligaments in his left ankle by the way he initially landed.
Not dissimilar to Fernandes having his card rescinded v Spurs where replays showed he’d slipped on his standing leg.
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Dermot thinks appeal will be rejected. He also feels it was a red
Can’t quite believe Sky still pay him for his ‘opinion’ that is always clearly briefed directly from PGMOL…he is one of the chief arse coverers. But whilst he is clearly wrong on it being a red he is probably right that it won’t be rescinded.
In live play on Sky they looked at it and the woman on there (think her name is Karen) said: it should not have been a red. At worse it was accidental not dangerous and it would be impossible to tell if Duran had any intent to cause injury which is the criteria for a straight red. Spot on imo. Gallagher having seen the exact same footage was totally non committal. Obviously he didn't want to make the ref or PMGOL look bad so he was waiting for instructions. He's paid good money to give his honest opinion and he didn't. He's clearly there to cover the arses of his mates. Sky should terminate his contract because he failed to fulfill his duty.
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I thought we were well in the game at 1-0, not much to choose between the two sides and few clear cut chances either end but the sending off changed the tide completely and they used the advantage well, constantly having the extra man in midfield.
More apparent in away games but we do seem to have these repeated stints of being too passive for periods. I don’t understand if it’s mental fatigue, a collective brainfart or what but it is increasingly a fixture in our performances.
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Dermot thinks appeal will be rejected. He also feels it was a red
Can’t quite believe Sky still pay him for his ‘opinion’ that is always clearly briefed directly from PGMOL…he is one of the chief arse coverers. But whilst he is clearly wrong on it being a red he is probably right that it won’t be rescinded.
Sky should terminate his contract because he failed to fulfill his duty.
Hahahaha! I’m not sure his family deserves a clean water supply after what he’s done.
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Can people stop saying it was a definite red. Knowing the panel they’ll check this site to come to a decision.
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Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.
None of our players seemed too surprised with the decision.
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It wasn't a red & at best Taylor guessed the decision, was influenced by the Newcastle players & crowd. But I wouldn't be surprised if any appeal is rejected. They make it up as they go along.
And that's the problem, they won't disagree because it's makes their mates look like complete idiots, referees are so far up thier own arses and not just this level, it time for Emery to take off the nice side of his character
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Dermot thinks appeal will be rejected. He also feels it was a red
Can’t quite believe Sky still pay him for his ‘opinion’ that is always clearly briefed directly from PGMOL…he is one of the chief arse coverers. But whilst he is clearly wrong on it being a red he is probably right that it won’t be rescinded.
Sky should terminate his contract because he failed to fulfill his duty.
Hahahaha! I’m not sure his family deserves a clean water supply after what he’s done.
Definitely. A heinous crime.
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I’ve got no problem contesting the decision but there’s absolutely zero Chance that’s getting overturned but as long as it doesn’t add another match ban for appealing we’re no worse off and we’ve made a case
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I’ve got no problem contesting the decision but there’s absolutely zero Chance that’s getting overturned but as long as it doesn’t add another match ban for appealing we’re no worse off and we’ve made a case
Conversely, I think there little chance it WON'T get overturned. The rolling of his left ankle is the perfect "get out of jail" card for both VAR and the ref. It's a mitigating circumstance that could have been missed at the time, and which allows them to say it should have been a yellow without losing too much face.
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I’ve got no problem contesting the decision but there’s absolutely zero Chance that’s getting overturned but as long as it doesn’t add another match ban for appealing we’re no worse off and we’ve made a case
Conversely, I think there little chance it WON'T get overturned. The rolling of his left ankle is the perfect "get out of jail" card for both VAR and the ref. It's a mitigating circumstance that could have been missed at the time, and which allows them to say it should have been a yellow without losing too much face.
Hope you’re right but I think you should prepare yourself for disappointment mate
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Some refereeing decisions from the first half:
- McGinn goes shoulder to shoulder with Gordon and cleanly wins out because he’s too strong for Gordon. Free kick to Newcastle.
- Guimaraes kicks thin air and falls over. Free kick to Newcastle.
- Rogers cleanly takes the all in a strong challenge, the ball going into touch midway in their half. Free kick to Newcastle near halfway line.
- from said free kick Cash is wrestled to the ground. Free kick to Newcastle near to edge of our penalty area.
- the sending off.
One of the most home crowd influenced debacles of a refereeing performance in a very long time. He improved in the second half for some reason but he’d already given them the match by then.
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Some refereeing decisions from the first half:
- McGinn goes shoulder to shoulder with Gordon and cleanly wins out because he’s too strong for Gordon. Free kick to Newcastle.
- Guimaraes kicks thin air and falls over. Free kick to Newcastle.
- Rogers cleanly takes the all in a strong challenge, the ball going into touch midway in their half. Free kick to Newcastle near halfway line.
- from said free kick Cash is wrestled to the ground. Free kick to Newcastle near to edge of our penalty area.
- the sending off.
One of the most home crowd influenced debacles of a refereeing performance in a very long time. He improved in the second half for some reason but he’d already given them the match by then.
Gordon blatantly pulls back one of our lads, no yellow. After plenty of fouls too.
Anyway onto Brighton.
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Some refereeing decisions from the first half:
- McGinn goes shoulder to shoulder with Gordon and cleanly wins out because he’s too strong for Gordon. Free kick to Newcastle.
- Guimaraes kicks thin air and falls over. Free kick to Newcastle.
- Rogers cleanly takes the all in a strong challenge, the ball going into touch midway in their half. Free kick to Newcastle near halfway line.
- from said free kick Cash is wrestled to the ground. Free kick to Newcastle near to edge of our penalty area.
- the sending off.
One of the most home crowd influenced debacles of a refereeing performance in a very long time. He improved in the second half for some reason but he’d already given them the match by then.
Gordon blatantly pulls back one of our lads, no yellow. After plenty of fouls too.
Anyway onto Brighton.
The forearm smash from Bruno G on Tielemans just before the chance that Martínez saved from the Italian gambling bloke. There were LOADS more examples. Anyway, like you say, onwards.
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I’ve got no problem contesting the decision but there’s absolutely zero Chance that’s getting overturned but as long as it doesn’t add another match ban for appealing we’re no worse off and we’ve made a case
Conversely, I think there little chance it WON'T get overturned. The rolling of his left ankle is the perfect "get out of jail" card for both VAR and the ref. It's a mitigating circumstance that could have been missed at the time, and which allows them to say it should have been a yellow without losing too much face.
Isn’t that what VAR should be for, to see the mitigating circumstances and advice the referee accordingly.
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Don't think our players protested as they didn't see the ankle slip . Same as me my first reaction was clear red but once you're seeing the slo mo and cause and effect it's not a red , or a yellow .
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Looks like Monchi and Vidagany doubling down in a concerted effort on X!
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And this is probably what prompted it:
JHON Duran has lost his appeal over the sending-off at Newcastle and will now serve a three-match ban. Villa ‘surprised and disappointed’ by the decision. More @MirrorFootball shortly.
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Dermot thinks appeal will be rejected. He also feels it was a red
Can’t quite believe Sky still pay him for his ‘opinion’ that is always clearly briefed directly from PGMOL…he is one of the chief arse coverers. But whilst he is clearly wrong on it being a red he is probably right that it won’t be rescinded.
Sky should terminate his contract because he failed to fulfill his duty.
Hahahaha! I’m not sure his family deserves a clean water supply after what he’s done.
He lives in Banbury too, the cvnt. Probably has his own well.
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Just watched the highlights MOTD for the first time. The fact that all three of them including the King of Geordies Alan Shearer agreed it wasn't a red card is conclusive for me. Durans left ankle gives way which was pivotal as to how he tumbled to his left which made contact with the defender unavoidable. It's so out of character to see Unai have a go at the officials but he's probably had enough now of tight decisions going against us. Things like non penalty at Forest and now this are having a big influence on our season. We're due a couple of favourable decisions now.
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Forest fans say Rogers was fouling the Forest player before the latter held onto his hand when entering the box.
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Forest fans say Rogers was fouling the Forest player before the latter held onto his hand when entering the box.
They were grabbing each other. Rogers had a piece of his shirt but it didn't stop him or alter his movement. Happens all the time in every match. Rogers was physically pulled back and his run was stopped. Big difference.
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Decisions ultimately did for us. But you don't give yourself much of a chance if you're as open as we are for the first goal. And that early as well.
Really hope the Jawdies get relegated again sometime soon, mind.
Only this time the city itself gets relegated, as part of the deal. Fuck it off to somewhere more progressive like the Falkland Islands. Or Mogadishu.
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The town's civic pride took a battering when they found out the good people of Mogadishu had held a fundraiser for them.
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Have you ever been to Newcastle?
It's a brilliant city.
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Have you ever been to Newcastle?
It's a brilliant city.
Yes. There are many things to mock Newcastle supporters about but one of them isn’t Newcastle being a shithole.
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So many Greggs
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Have you ever been to Newcastle?
It's a brilliant city.
Easily one of my favourite UK cities to visit.
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Yea been to many worse places in the UK
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Come on, it must have shit bits. They no doubt slag Brum off mercilessly on MagsRUs or whatever their shitty forum is.
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Come on, it must have shit bits. They no doubt slag Brum off mercilessly on MagsRUs or whatever their shitty forum is.
I think Newcastle has a nicer town centre than ours , the suburbs are just as bad if not worse .
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Just had another look. Far from stamping, Duran is clearly trying to minimise the downforce by lifting his foot forward as it’s making contact. He could have injured himself trying not to injure Schaar.
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Just had another look. Far from stamping, Duran is clearly trying to minimise the downforce by lifting his foot forward as it’s making contact. He could have injured himself trying not to injure Schaar.
I agree - if he was trying cause injury the boot would have stayed down but he recoils on contact to minimise the damage. I'm one of those who have supported VAR but I can no longer see the point. This default to the onfield ref on subjective calls has it would appear caused VAR officials to wash their hands against intervention. I can understand how Taylor in the moment sees the boot on the back and calls foul play. What I cannot understand however is how experienced referees can look at that footage: see scharr's studs go into Duran's groin/hip, see his left ankle buckle causing him to throw his weight right ( If his weight stays left he could break his ankle), yes see the contact with boot and back but not see his quick attempt to withdraw it and still not at least send Taylor to review.
In the apparent spirit of not re-refereeing games they have rendered VAR pointless. Let's just look at the shirts, decide whether it's a Sky 6/Premier league favourite and decide accordingly.
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Great post. VAR has now become an outright scandal.
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I don't know how these reviews work .What representations were made? Is there a written judgment of their reasons for rejecting the appeal and if so can we make it public? Perhaps it is time we stopped being Mr. Nice Guy and started yelling and screaming and making a fuss and calling out the whole process for the pile of crap that is seems to be. It may not make any difference but I for one would feel better and I suspect I would not be alone.
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You wouldn't be.
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The 2/24 Borderers KNEW how to defend.... ;) ;)