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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on December 10, 2024, 09:53:00 PM
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Good game. Deserved win. Cut out the silly mistakes though, eh lads?
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Clearly the better team - no need to freak out.
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Kamara best player on the pitch. Elite player
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Mings to start at the weekend
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Made hard work of a very ordinary opposition.
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Great win, but we don't half make life difficult for ourselves.
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Made it hard for ourselves but good game and when we are good we are good and when we are not we look shit.
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Fucking hell.
That was horrible
Relief
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Great win. Should have been by a much bigger margin but fuck it.
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Kamara best player on the pitch. Elite player
Top draw - again
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Got over the line, very tired in the end, good win, on we go, most important, back to winning ways.
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Great result. So happy.
UTV.
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One win against either Celtic or Monaco should mean top eight is nailed on.
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We should have been 3-0 after about 20 minutes but we did it the hard way. We showed some grit to get going again after slowing the game down, twice!
I'll never get tired of Villa winning in the Champions League. Incredible!
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First one definitely a gift. Second one was a poor ball near their box and a launch for a fast forward. I thought we had recovered it but the cross in and finish were top class really. If we had scored that we would be lauding some really good attacking and not stating their defence screwed it.
I'm glad it wasn't decisive in the end though.
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Was the linesman crying at the full whistle?
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I watched that with more nerves than usual!
One Mings brain fart aside I’ve really enjoyed the CL so far.
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My god.
The old ticker was going at the end!!
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Good performance apart from defence. A complete horror show. Against a better side we lose easy so we need to cut these errors out.
But very impressive attacking display.
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Up to 3rd in the table.
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Whats his problem with Mings? M.O.M for me in his first full game and a solid defence. Dropped next game and defence all over the place like tonight.
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Was the linesman crying at the full whistle?
Something was going on.
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3 wins in a row. Best team in all 3. At times we look utterly unstoppable, and then, well we just like to make games more interesting, don't we?
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Should have been way more comfortable. Overall much the better side, but gave away daft goals (second was a great finish to be fair). But great result, got it done and in the first half in particular we really good.
Cut out the silly mistakes, but football was sharper and more confident.
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Grateful for the win but Christ that defence is a shambles
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3 straight wins. 3rd in the CL table for now. And with a win Saturday could be top 4 in the PL. We’ve done things the hard way this season.
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Was the linesman crying at the full whistle?
Probably upset with how poorly we defend.
Good win but sort the defence out Unai. Wonder goal from Duran!
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Ref was good.
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Yeah, there were definitely tears from either the Lino or ref?
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Mings cannot come back soon enough.
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Was the linesman crying at the full whistle?
Something was going on.
Looked like it, ref gave him a big hug after.
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Made hard work of a very ordinary opposition.
Daft mistakes yes but football wise miles ahead.l
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I don’t think we defended poorly overall, lots of it was good, particularly in the first half. But there were a couple of ridiculous lapses in concentration.
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Thank f**k for that. Horrible at times at the back.
Referee was good.
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At their best, in theory, we have four central defenders. At present, on form, we have one, and he wasn't playing.
Ah well. On the ball, crisper than we've been in ages. Clearly deserved the win, and that's 3 in a row now.
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Great result. Made it far harder than it needed to be. Some sloppy finishing but even worse defending.
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Great win, played some great stuff but I've had enough of Carlos, one good game in every 5 or so is not up to standard and we continually look shaky when he is in the side.
Rogers was slightly frustrating but still contributed. SJM and Tielemans brilliant which bodes well.
We played very well at times and it felt like the Emery Villa that we've enjoyed so much.
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Great to win away in Germany, but honestly, we should have been well clear by half time. I lose count of the good shooting positions we found around their box without working the keeper.
The two disallowed goals wouldn’t have flattered us at 5-2.
One more win and we’re in the knockouts!
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Mings cannot come back soon enough.
Starting Saturday , Konsa back in middle with Mings , Cash RB and drop Torres / Carlos
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I was surprised it was Carlos instead of Mings in the centre of the three.
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I still think we need a minumum of four points for top eight.
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2 massive games now, Monaco are a very decent side and Celtic will need a win...cut out the stupidity at the back and we are top 8
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I've got a feeling 8th place will need more than the models predicted. I reckon 17 points
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Mings cannot come back soon enough.
Starting Saturday , Konsa back in middle with Mings , Cash RB and drop Torres / Carlos
Thats what i would go for
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I think there are good arguments for pretty much any central defensive partnership, but I feel that the "we need Mings back so we don't make catastrophic defensive errors in a crucial Champions League away game" arguments seem to be forgetting their recent history.
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Well done Ross our match winner!
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A great game to watch if were a neutral. Watching as a Villa fan on the other hand...
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Other than all the doubt, never in doubt.
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That square ball from Torres to their centre forward , dear oh dear
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I still think we need a minumum of four points for top eight.
No we don’t one win will do the job
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There will obviously be a lot of moaning but I thought we played really well other than a few brain farts. I think a big part of the problem is that we're just fucking around with the defence too much. I reckon we need to pick 2 'sets' of 4 and just start one or the other as a unit until we start seeing a bit more cohesion because today was simple communication errors that shouldn't happen.
The Duran/Watkins debate is going to keep on all season but I think we saw the good and bad of both of them today. Watkins ran them ragged first half, got an assist, could've had a couple more, had one disallowed and missed a couple of half chances where he needed to be a bit more alert. Duran scored from nothing, had one disallowed but then was pretty anonymous other than missing a half chance of his own. They're both superb strikers and if we can keep them both happy for another 18months we'll have done really well.
Tielemans needs a break, I hope Onana is fit enough to give him one for a few games over Christmas.
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Thank fuck for that. Well done Ross for sparing our blushes!
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dangerous going forward, dangerous in defence.
Thought ollie, cash and mcginn good first half. Duran second half. Digne and Kamara good throughout.
Got lucky there - but deserved to win - some of our football was excellent - but we need to be more difficult to score against.
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I will also add that if Mings was praying tonight they don’t score any.
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A great game to watch if were a neutral. Watching as a Villa fan on the other hand...
Yes and no. I loved it when we had the ball! Some cracking stuff.
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Mings and Duran start at he weekend and revert back to Mings and Konsa in the middle of a back four. Digne played well, the other three were pretty poor. Some great stuff played at times going forward.
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It was men (that’s us) against boys (them) except the total brain farts for their goals.
Carlos can’t be trusted. He’s so, so flaky.
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Just give your heads a wobble we are third in the CL Table at this point in the competition.
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I will also add that if Mings was praying tonight they don’t score any.
That’s the power of the Lord, Bren.
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Overall standard of play was very good. I think we’re only 3-4 players away from having a very good defence.
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Was it 3 at the back with cash as RWB or a straight swap for Bailey?
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Was it 3 at the back with cash as RWB or a straight swap for Bailey?
Straight swap, Cash was way too far forward to be playing a wing back (and he really enjoyed himself).
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Felt like we scored all 5 goals! That was great fun. I think Jhon's goal stunned everyone as there was a muted response of disbelief. Keep winning Villa
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Duran MOTM for me , his input won the game . Rogers a close second
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Overall standard of play was very good. I think we’re only 3-4 players away from having a very good defence.
And you know that’s just bollocks
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I still think we need a minumum of four points for top eight.
A think it’s only 3 points needed because some of the teams who could theoretically finish ahead of us with two/three wins have to play each other, so they can’t “all” finish ahead of us if we win another game.
That’s not me, I saw someone say something along those lines on social media.
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Kamara looking majestic, McGrathesque, doing all the bits and pieces without any drama, knitting it all together. Boy we have missed him..
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Overall standard of play was very good. I think we’re only 3-4 players away from having a very good defence.
And you know that’s just bollocks
Christ, Gary, cheer up and stop cruising the thread looking for someone who isn’t happy enough for you.
We won, you know.
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Looks like Ads took a tumble.
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Kamara looking majestic, McGrathesque, doing all the bits and pieces without any drama, knitting it all together. Boy we have missed him..
He’s an absolutely top quality player.
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There will obviously be a lot of moaning but I thought we played really well other than a few brain farts. I think a big part of the problem is that we're just fucking around with the defence too much. I reckon we need to pick 2 'sets' of 4 and just start one or the other as a unit until we start seeing a bit more cohesion because today was simple communication errors that shouldn't happen.
The Duran/Watkins debate is going to keep on all season but I think we saw the good and bad of both of them today. Watkins ran them ragged first half, got an assist, could've had a couple more, had one disallowed and missed a couple of half chances where he needed to be a bit more alert. Duran scored from nothing, had one disallowed but then was pretty anonymous other than missing a half chance of his own. They're both superb strikers and if we can keep them both happy for another 18months we'll have done really well.
Tielemans needs a break, I hope Onana is fit enough to give him one for a few games over Christmas.
Good summary, Paul.
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Funny old game. Early goals in both halves followed by utter dominance. Give away a stupid goal against the run of play and fizzle out. Thankfully we had the Barkley bonus in the second half.
Given we couldn't buy a win for a good few weeks, three in a row is not to be sniffed at. Champions' League table looking good tonight.
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Overall standard of play was very good. I think we’re only 3-4 players away from having a very good defence.
that's a great pisstake comment ... 😁
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I still think we need a minumum of four points for top eight.
A think it’s only 3 points needed because some of the teams who could theoretically finish ahead of us with two/three wins have to play each other, so they can’t “all” finish ahead of us if we win another game.
That’s not me, I saw someone say something along those lines on social media.
By way of example, four of the five teams who could overtake us this week play each other.
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A lot of the football was very slick tonight.
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Made hard work of a very ordinary opposition.
They have some very good players but they were incredibly easy to play against. Didn't press us until late on. Game should have been over at half time. We crumbled late on in all honesty. Three centre backs played like complete clowns in the second half while Mings stuck on the bench. Martinez redeemed himself a bit late on. Kosta was a complete liability when he came in too.
It's a huge result for the football club. We played some cracking stuff at times but we won't threaten to win anything defending like we do.
Martinez 4 - horror show for first goal, starting position for the second should have been far higher from the initial ball over the top. Some solid saves late on
Cash 9 - outstanding in a new position. Great ball into Watkins for first. Poor decision to take him off.
Konsa 3 - have had enough of his whinging. Failed to block his man for the first, jumped out of a tackle in second half that led to a free kick late on. Part of a trio that pretty much collapsed
Carlos 4 - not great for either goal but lost the plot late on fouling anyone and everyone. His head went
Torres 4 - solid game under little pressure until he put a game winning chance on a plate for them
Digne 7 - great ball that Watkins should have scored from. Solid performance again
Kamara 9 - outstanding in every facet of his play
Tielemans 7 - thought his playmaking was very good, armchair ride really as we owned midfield.
McGinn 8 - outstanding first 60 mins, great to see him scoring again, it's been coming!
Rogers 7 - slow start but always dangerous when he did get turned on the ball. Great run at end to relieve pressure
Watkins 7 - brilliant assist, ran them ragged but lacking confidence in front of goal
Duran 8 - questionable goalkeeping aside this guy is going to be some player. Worked hard too I thought. Even that finish for the offside goal, there's never a hint he's going to miss.
Maatsen was very lively again, Barkley fortunate winner, Buendia was quiet I thought when given a decent opportunity minutes wise, Kosta was lost in a daft sub by Emery
Emery 7 - didn't like the starting lineup but it worked a treat. Mings had to come in though and beggared belief that any of the 3 chuckle brothers weren't hooked during the second half. Knock out CL football is a great achievement.
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Bizarre interview with Duran lol
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Martinez 6
Konsa 7
Carlos 4
Torres 4
Digne 7
Kamara 8
Tielemans 6
Rogers 9
McGinn 7
Cash 7
Watkins 6
Duran 9
Barkley 7
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Overall standard of play was very good. I think we’re only 3-4 players away from having a very good defence.
And you know that’s just bollocks
Christ, Gary, cheer up and stop cruising the thread looking for someone who isn’t happy enough for you.
We won, you know.
You are right sorry all. But think we forget where we have been for Christ knows how long. We have come so far in such a short space of time.
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Relieved Carlos williss the game in Monaco, should give Mings a chance to redeem himself. I just don't think he's good enough for this standard.
Could Unai give Ollie a go in a front 3 with Rogers and big John in the middle?
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Carlos is a liability. Martinez seems somewhat unnerved in the ECL games. Good to see Nedeljkovic on the pitch; he's a star-in-the-making. Rogers needs to take some shooting practice. McGinn and Kamara played really well.
Tielemans is looking a little flaky; not sure what's going on there.
I thought the system worked well, even if Kon'sa and Carlos were poor. Put Mings in a back 3 instead of Carlos and it'll work.
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This interviewer on Amazon with Jhon is superb.
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This Doris on Amazon is fire with the lingo
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Was it 3 at the back with cash as RWB or a straight swap for Bailey?
Straight swap, Cash was way too far forward to be playing a wing back (and he really enjoyed himself).
Looked like a back 5 at times when they had the ball. Cash did very well defensively and going forward. Digne also pushed on a good bit in the first half.
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Looks like Ads took a tumble.
That was hilarious
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That presenter interviewing Duran. Swoon
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This interviewer on Amazon with Jhon is superb.
She really is. One of the best ive seen
Fantastic passion
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Carlos is a liability. Martinez seems somewhat unnerved in the ECL games. Good to see Nedeljkovic on the pitch; he's a star-in-the-making. Rogers needs to take some shooting practice. McGinn and Kamara played really well.
Tielemans is looking a little flaky; not sure what's going on there.
I thought the system worked well, even if Kon'sa and Carlos were poor. Put Mings in a back 3 instead of Carlos and it'll work.
Interesting take on Ned I thought he demonstrated why he absolutely isn’t ready.
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This interviewer on Amazon with Jhon is superb.
Yup, absolutely brilliant
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This interview with Duran is the Fast show isn’t it?
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Well deserved that, We should have won that more comfortable.
Carlos needs replacing and I thought the Cash experiment worked well. I'd like to see that again if Bailey is out for a short period.
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This interview with Duran is the Fast show isn’t it?
Julio Geordio!
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This interview with Duran is the Fast show isn’t it?
That goal eh John ? Scorchio!!
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Bizarre interview with Duran lol
Bi lingual interviewer doing a great job. Brilliant.
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I've got a feeling 8th place will need more than the models predicted. I reckon 17 points
We will know more tomorrow. But Barca/ Dortmund play each other, and Arse/Monaco play each other which could lead to changes. And next round, we play Monaco, Athletico play Bayer, Benefica play Barca etc.
So there are lots of teams who will drop points who are up there at the moment, simply because they are all playing each other.
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Coverage a million times better than you get on TNT.
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Well deserved that, We should have won that more comfortable.
Carlos needs replacing and I thought the Cash experiment worked well. I'd like to see that again if Bailey is out for a short period.
Cash was much better than I expected, he did well.
Carlos messed up for the second, but the first is entirely Emi’s fuck up.
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I was surprised it was Carlos instead of Mings in the centre of the three.
I thought he would try Torres in the middle and Mings at LCB like he played for England a good few times. Torres confidence is brittle at the moment.
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This interviewer on Amazon with Jhon is superb.
Agree entirely. I’ve never seen anything like that but I wish that more interviewers were like that… that some some linguistic ability there.
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This interviewer on Amazon with Jhon is superb.
Agree entirely. I’ve never seen anything like that but I wish that more interviewers were like that… that some some linguistic ability there.
Just saying the same, different level
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Roberto Martinez with a coat from the Pantomime wardrobe...
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I saw that played as a back 3….mind’s plays we don’t concede either…
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Looks like Ads took a tumble.
Took it like a champ
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I was surprised it was Carlos instead of Mings in the centre of the three.
I thought he would try Torres in the middle and Mings at LCB like he played for England a good few times. Torres confidence is brittle at the moment.
You need to trust your right foot for a tackle if the centre of the three.
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
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Coverage a million times better than you get on TNT.
Decent coverage. Awful camerawork at times
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Watkins has a small injury, apparently.
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I was surprised it was Carlos instead of Mings in the centre of the three.
I thought he would try Torres in the middle and Mings at LCB like he played for England a good few times. Torres confidence is brittle at the moment.
You need to trust your right foot for a tackle if the centre of the three.
True but Mings can't do it either on his right foot. Then again if the alternative is Diego Carlos then we need a different setup.
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
Really? Some of the camerawork was shocking today. It was zoomed in views when you couldn’t see what was going on.
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Mings to start at the weekend
And then some.
Three centre halves on the pitch tonight.
Barely a braincell between them.
Would be a crying shame if the best Villa side in a generation misses out genuine success due to the clown posse at the back.
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Watkins has a small injury, apparently.
I think he's just resting him
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This interviewer on Amazon with Jhon is superb.
Agree entirely. I’ve never seen anything like that but I wish that more interviewers were like that… that some some linguistic ability there.
They did similar for some American coverage with Katie Scott, Henry, Carragher and The Grinning Loon. However the problem with that one was Katie couldn't translate it back because of the producers all talking in her ear, then Carragher and Micah decided to "take over". A bit car crash because of that.
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Coverage a million times better than you get on TNT.
Decent coverage. Awful camerawork at times
Presumably not their cameras, tbf.
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
Really? Some of the camerawork was shocking today. It was zoomed in views when you couldn’t see what was going on.
I really liked how close it got at times, I thought it made the game a much better watch.
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
Really? Some of the camerawork was shocking today. It was zoomed in views when you couldn’t see what was going on.
That wouldn't be Amazon but the local company doing it. Amazon are only in charge of the bits in between.
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Great game, we really bossed and played as well as we have for months, until the last 10 when they threw everything at it.
Looked like a 5 for me, with Torres peeling wide left and Konsa narrow when we were in possession.
The first goal mostly seemed to be Emi’s fault to me.
Hard to say for sure due to the camera angle, but when the ball went over the top for the second, I expected to see Emi there sweeping up. Reckon his confidence took a hit with the first goal. Torres was marking space (he does that quite a bit), but it was a great finish.
I find the Carlos bashing a bit OTT to be honest, at the moment. I thought he played reasonably well tonight with some good long passing. He has to take a portion of the blame for the first, alongside Konsa and Emi.
But it’s not like he picked the ball up in the box for no reason.
We were wasteful up front but got a couple of midfielders on the scoresheet for the first time in a while, which was good.
Kamara was my man of the match, closely followed by SJM and Tielemans (indeed we played well because we controlled the centre of midfield).
UTV!
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I like the forward pressing version of Cash. Same Saturday please.
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Mings to start at the weekend
And Duran.
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Just back to the hotel, we were fucking awesome however, should have won by a hatful, gifted them two goals with some woeful defending but looking good for top 8. Get the fuck in.
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Coverage a million times better than you get on TNT.
No wanker Ferdinand for a start
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Explanation on the linesman at the end.
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Lino's last ever game..
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Coverage a million times better than you get on TNT.
No wanker Ferdinand for a start
Definately a bonus.
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Coverage a million times better than you get on TNT.
No wanker Ferdinand for a start
Who was the woman at the table?
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
Totally agree with this.
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Or that idiot on TNT who does the post match interviews.
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Lucy Ward is missed though.
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Just back to the hotel, we were fucking awesome however, should have won by a hatful, gifted them two goals with some woeful defending but looking good for top 8. Get the fuck in.
This is factually correct.
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The assistant referee's last ever game, that's why he was crying apparently.
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Mings to start at the weekend
And then some.
Three centre halves on the pitch tonight.
Barely a braincell between them.
Would be a crying shame if the best Villa side in a generation misses out genuine success due to the clown posse at the back.
Konsa isn't a RB then you've got the chuckle brothers next to him, good job it was only Leipzig tonight
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Lucy Ward is missed though.
Agreed, she's superb.
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I still reckon we need minimum of 4 points.
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Konsa isn't a RB then you've got the chuckle brothers next to him, good job it was only Leipzig tonight
Correct, he seemed to be playing RCB today.
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I think Gabby Logan would make a decent job on MOTD.
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I've got a feeling 8th place will need more than the models predicted. I reckon 17 points
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I agree.
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I still reckon we need minimum of 4 points.
I don't think any will disagree for certain qualification, and our inferior GD to some of the others around us we will need to be at least a point above the cut off, but I still think 15 points and GD will be the cut-off. 16 points will still be fine but maybe squeaky if we lose in Monaco in January.
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Need them to find their shooting boots soon, created enough chances and situations to score 7 or 8 tonight, again
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It appears this manager of ours is quite good and knows what he’s doing.
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Just to add, us beating German opposition goes a long way to ensuring 5th in the PL is CL place.
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Few pissed Villa fans on Talksport tonight! :)
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I really enjoyed that. Thought we were exquisite going forward at times. Was expecting the post-match thread to be a tad more upbeat.
Martinez to blame for both goals. Came out when he shouldn’t and didn’t when he should have.
Rogers was back to his best, Duran was excellent and Bouba is the best player in the world.
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Having seen the images of the Cash offside for Durans 2nd, we deserved a bit of luck. About 1/1000th of an inch ffs
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I still reckon we need minimum of 4 points.
I don't think any will disagree for certain qualification, and our inferior GD to some of the others around us we will need to be at least a point above the cut off, but I still think 15 points and GD will be the cut-off. 16 points will still be fine but maybe squeaky if we lose in Monaco in January.
We only need one point to finish in top 24.
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Having seen the images of the Cash offside for Durans 2nd, we deserved a bit of luck. About 1/1000th of an inch ffs
Unfortunately that is all it takes these days. Did they ever show a graphic for Watkins offside? He looked well off in play, looked tight on the freeze frame but don't think I saw the graphic.
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I really enjoyed that. Thought we were exquisite going forward at times. Was expecting the post-match thread to be a tad more upbeat.
Martinez to blame for both goals. Came out when he shouldn’t and didn’t when he should have.
Rogers was back to his best, Duran was excellent and Bouba is the best player in the world.
This and...
Konsa isn't a RB then you've got the chuckle brothers next to him, good job it was only Leipzig tonight
Correct, he seemed to be playing RCB today.
Are the impact Openda had (who was excellent) first goal he was sharp and smart and made Emi, Konsa and Carlos look like mugs. 2nd goal his pace was still in Emi's mind and he tried to play safe by statying back and letting his defence clear up.
If we're looking for another attacking player in January someone with that sort of sprint speed would be a really useful addition to give us a point of difference if we counter quickly.
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I still reckon we need minimum of 4 points.
I don't think any will disagree for certain qualification, and our inferior GD to some of the others around us we will need to be at least a point above the cut off, but I still think 15 points and GD will be the cut-off. 16 points will still be fine but maybe squeaky if we lose in Monaco in January.
We only need one point to finish in top 24.
We are certainly through to the next round of matches whether that is straight in or entering a qualifier, and if the latter, I also think we have already done enough for 2nd leg at home.
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I really enjoyed that. Thought we were exquisite going forward at times. Was expecting the post-match thread to be a tad more upbeat.
Martinez to blame for both goals. Came out when he shouldn’t and didn’t when he should have.
Rogers was back to his best, Duran was excellent and Bouba is the best player in the world.
Kamara is the cog that makes the Villa wristwatch tick..roll on the new year..UTV
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Massive three points. Hopefully it will give us the cash to but a new defence.*
*Waves at Percy. Seriously, I'm just happy with the win but we don need to improve.
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Unfortunately that is all it takes these days. Did they ever show a graphic for Watkins offside? He looked well off in play, looked tight on the freeze frame but don't think I saw the graphic.
About half a yard off in the end but given the speed Ollie broke it that's translates to McGinn just needing to get the ball away a fraction of a second sooner. The Duran one was tighter, a few inches in it.
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I was fuming that Duran didn't try to do anything like Watkins did for his. Put it in the net and then have it checked. Instead he tapped it into the central defender and then stopped and looked at the flag instead of trying to stop them from breaking.
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Blimey, that did me nerves no good. Played some great stuff, but need to cut out the daft errors..oh, and the high line does ask for trouble. Kamara and Tielemans, superb as was Digne again.Rodgers did well but still need to stop the loose passes. Great win though, looking like we’re getting back to our best.
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Thought we deserved it. Like someone else said, it was just the lapses in concentration that fucked us up because overall, we were decent and should have scored more than three.
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This interviewer on Amazon with Jhon is superb.
She really is. One of the best ive seen
Fantastic passion
I’m not watching but I think I know who you mean. Was she translating everything as she went along?
If it’s the one I’ve seen before, she’s fantastic.
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https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdM4VLD6/
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I really enjoyed that. Thought we were exquisite going forward at times. Was expecting the post-match thread to be a tad more upbeat.
Martinez to blame for both goals. Came out when he shouldn’t and didn’t when he should have.
Rogers was back to his best, Duran was excellent and Bouba is the best player in the world.
This and...
Konsa isn't a RB then you've got the chuckle brothers next to him, good job it was only Leipzig tonight
Correct, he seemed to be playing RCB today.
Are the impact Openda had (who was excellent) first goal he was sharp and smart and made Emi, Konsa and Carlos look like mugs. 2nd goal his pace was still in Emi's mind and he tried to play safe by statying back and letting his defence clear up.
If we're looking for another attacking player in January someone with that sort of sprint speed would be a really useful addition to give us a point of difference if we counter quickly.
His movement was excellent but his finishing is suspect.
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A very dominant performance albeit with a couple of defensive lapses. Onwards and upwards!
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I've had worse days following the Villa
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
Really? Some of the camerawork was shocking today. It was zoomed in views when you couldn’t see what was going on.
That wouldn't be Amazon but the local company doing it. Amazon are only in charge of the bits in between.
Ah yes. I definitely should know that from my day job 🤣
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Just back to the hotel. Very good and dominate performance with some fantastic passages of play and should have won by more goals. To be done by two mistakes at the back was criminal and both looked to be on Martinez. I do wonder if his hand injury is a factor in this. I still think this was the best performance of the season.
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I had the displeasure of watching Bein sports and listening to that fat hairy toad keys , asking the question on whether Unai should be looking for a bigger club. . Forgot how not missed on sky they are
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Absolutely brilliant performance tonight.
The only negative was that I forgot to do guess the goal.
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I had the displeasure of watching Bein sports and listening to that fat hairy toad keys , asking the question on whether Unai should be looking for a bigger club. . Forgot how not missed on sky they are
Fuck that hairy Cov troll.
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Really Dorset, better than V Bayern? Yes, we had plenty of the ball, could and should have scored more but that’s the Villa, wasteful and benevolent. We need to cut out the cockyness that’s creeping in when we are so dominant. I reckon the neutrals loved the game.
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Kudos to the emotional Lino ( his last game apparently). Also the journalist who interviewed Duran in Spanish and interpreted the questions and answers ( very impressive).
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It's pretty amazing that a person can speak a foreign language, isn't it?
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Clears throat
“Oui”
Exists stage left.
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I had the displeasure of watching Bein sports and listening to that fat hairy toad keys , asking the question on whether Unai should be looking for a bigger club. . Forgot how not missed on sky they are
Well he’d know all about leaving something (one) to find something better….guy is an imbecile of the highest order
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I really enjoyed that. Thought we were exquisite going forward at times. Was expecting the post-match thread to be a tad more upbeat.
Martinez to blame for both goals. Came out when he shouldn’t and didn’t when he should have.
Rogers was back to his best, Duran was excellent and Bouba is the best player in the world.
This and...
Konsa isn't a RB then you've got the chuckle brothers next to him, good job it was only Leipzig tonight
Correct, he seemed to be playing RCB today.
Are the impact Openda had (who was excellent) first goal he was sharp and smart and made Emi, Konsa and Carlos look like mugs. 2nd goal his pace was still in Emi's mind and he tried to play safe by statying back and letting his defence clear up.
If we're looking for another attacking player in January someone with that sort of sprint speed would be a really useful addition to give us a point of difference if we counter quickly.
Yep, we should have bought him instead of Diaby. Him and Jackson were my picks. Then again we’d probably have sold them by now.
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Kamara best player on the pitch. Elite player
Absolutely, 100%. He was easily the best player this evening. Everywhere on the pitch, and he reads the game so very well.
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This interviewer on Amazon with Jhon is superb.
Yup, absolutely brilliant
Pure class. I was waiting for Jhon to ask her out on a date by the time the interview had finished...well, he may have for all the Spanish I know!
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By chance, I've known lots of multilingual people in my time (far more women than men, incidentally), and yes it still impresses me because I struggle with English, but the ability to switch seamlessly between languages doesn't hold the same novelty for me that it once did.
I ask the bigger questions. Like, where does she buy her conditioner? Her hair is fucking impeccable, and you cannot fake that sheen.
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I can't understand why Mings isn't in the defence. He was so commanding a week ago against Brentford and got Man-of-the-Match. Silly errors at the back need to be sorted out and Tyrone is the perfect choice. He a very good leader and puts in many clearances with headers and blocked crosses.
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I don't see Mings making a difference for the two conceded tonight.
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I can't understand why Mings isn't in the defence. He was so commanding a week ago against Brentford and got Man-of-the-Match. Silly errors at the back need to be sorted out and Tyrone is the perfect choice. He a very good leader and puts in many clearances with headers and blocked crosses.
I think he'll probably play in Saturday against Forest and it's just a case at the moment that he can't do two games in a week.
Thought we were excellent going forward at times, but shambolic at the back at times as well. Where we are in the league and now at the crunch time in the Champions League, we simply can't afford to be as poor as that at the back as it will end up costing us.
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Not sure why people think having Mings in would have made any difference tonight. Both goals were from balls over the top to Konsa’s side…..
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I don't see Mings making a difference for the two conceded tonight.
I'm not sure he stops like Carlos did for the first, he would have more of a chance in a foot race than Carlos did for the second too. But it's not just the two goals, or the one Torres tried to gift them, when our defence was at sea the last 30 mins he would be organising people. That's where he is at his best. Konsa and Torres sunk late on and Carlos head was gone fouling everyone. There's no communication between them bar Konsa pointing fingers blaming others.
Emery needs to take criticism too. From commenting about Kosta going on loan yesterday, his decision to bring him on tonight nearly cost us. He was horribly out of his depth, sadly. There was no need for it either. Any of the centre backs could have been hooked without complaint to get Mings in. We could have shifted to a back 4 and moved Konsa over, taken off Torres.
Mings will have to come back in for Forest.
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Feels like an important win, not just for our Champions League hopes but overall confidence and momentum after we’d done so much well.
We continue to create plenty of chances but do need to be more ruthless, we should have had this one won by half time. Structure is infinitely better with Kamara in the team but we’re still leaving chasms of space in transition that we struggle to defend/causes us to panic and break out the clown shoes.
Kamara the obvious standout tonight but McGinn was excellent too.
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Kamara best player on the pitch. Elite player
Top draw - again
Is it draw or drawer?
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Kamara best player on the pitch. Elite player
Top draw - again
Is it draw or drawer?
The latter, but who cares. We all know what he means.
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Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.
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Good win that should have been a lot more comfortable.
Kamara was my MOTM. Was very pleased to see Rogers starting to find a bit of form again and SJM was also great. Stating the obvious, but the defence needs a collective boot up the arse to cut out the sloppiness.
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Did a double-take when the commentator said that Leipzig were bringing "Kevin Campbell" (sic) off the bench at half time. Back from the dead and out of retirement, you mean? Surely not!
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I don't see Mings making a difference for the two conceded tonight.
I'm not sure he stops like Carlos did for the first….
He wouldn’t have been playing in Carlos’ position, so it’s a moot point. As I said already, Mings being in the team would not have changed either of the goals tonight.
If people want to make the argument that he should play against Forest to go up against Wood, then fair enough. However, the illusion that he’s the answer to every defensive issue is nonsense - and let’s not even talk about replacing Torres’ distribution, because he can’t.
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Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.
Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.
We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.
We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.
And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).
I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.
In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.
If you could start your replies with “I prefer a defence that concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets because…” that would be a great help, because if you fail to acknowledge that truth, the rest of your answer will probably be bullshit as well.
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Our passing football was a joy to watch and the way that we found space to pass through their midfield.
Duran's goal had me leaping around my living room, a superb strike, shame his 2nd was ruled out for offside, his hold up play was very good, Unai and his coaching team are doing a wonderful job with their coaching.
Kamara was MOTM.
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I presumed Konsa heard a call for Emi to make him stop running for the first goal.
Seemed a mix up between those two.
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Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.
Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.
We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.
We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.
And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).
I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.
In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.
I’d heard about this happening to others. If it helps, I actually don’t mind Konsa at right back/right sided defender. But Carlos is horrendous and needs upgrading on. Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger. Think about how much easier it might have been last season with a competent centre half. Emery knows it and wanted rid. If he valued/rated him so much we wouldn’t have tried offloading him to Fulham would we. And that was him participating in a side which qualified for the champions league. He’s here because of PSR reasons only.
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Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.
Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.
We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.
We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.
And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).
I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.
In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.
Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.
See, if you have to lie about it, it’s because the truth is not on your side.
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Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.
Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.
We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.
We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.
And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).
I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.
In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.
Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.
No lies permitted in the answers.
Or name them.
Er…just last night alone the first goal?!??
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Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.
Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.
We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.
We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.
And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).
I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.
In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.
Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.
No lies permitted in the answers.
Or name them.
Er…just last night alone the first goal?!??
Every game you said. Were you lying?
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Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.
Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.
We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.
We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.
And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).
I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.
In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.
Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.
No lies permitted in the answers.
Or name them.
Er…just last night alone the first goal?!??
Every game you said. Were you lying?
Bit weird this. Not sure if you’re on the wind up. What are you expecting here? If you can’t see that Carlos is a complete liability and is error prone i’m not sure what I can do for you.
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Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.
Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.
We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.
We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.
And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).
I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.
In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.
Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.
No lies permitted in the answers.
Or name them.
Er…just last night alone the first goal?!??
Every game you said. Were you lying?
Bit weird this. Not sure if you’re on the wind up. What are you expecting here? If you can’t see that Carlos is a complete liability and is error prone i’m not sure what I can do for you.
Maybe the fact that you have to make things up to prove your point is telling. Tell me about the clanger he dropped at Arsenal last season? Bayern Munich at home? They must have happened, because you just said they did.
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Obviously, I’ve seen him make errors. But as a Villa fan, this doesn’t make me pine for a defence that concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets.That’s the bit I don’t get.
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Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.
Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.
We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.
We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.
And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).
I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.
In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.
Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.
No lies permitted in the answers.
Or name them.
Er…just last night alone the first goal?!??
Every game you said. Were you lying?
Bit weird this. Not sure if you’re on the wind up. What are you expecting here? If you can’t see that Carlos is a complete liability and is error prone i’m not sure what I can do for you.
Maybe the fact that you have to make things up to prove your point is telling. Tell me about the clanger he dropped at Arsenal last season? Bayern Munich at home? They must have happened, because you just said they did.
I don’t think I’ve ever been called a liar on this forum before.
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^^ Have you told lies before?
Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?
How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
Completely agree paul. Even if amazon upped their prices and charged 10.99 i would pay it as its excellent value for money and the footie coverage as you say far superior than sky and tnt
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^^ Have you told lies before?
Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?
How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.
You do you, Sir.
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Fuck me , we cant even enjoy a great villa win in the champs league without the arseholes coming on and arguing among ourselves ,
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^^ Have you told lies before?
Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?
How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.
You do you, Sir.
Okay. I thought you had another word in mind for it. If you think of one, I’ll gladly edit.
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Fuck me , we cant even enjoy a great villa win in the champs league without the arseholes coming on and arguing among ourselves ,
Standard H&V :)
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Fuck me , we cant even enjoy a great villa win in the champs league without the arseholes coming on and arguing among ourselves ,
Standard H&V :)
‘Arseholes’ lol.
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We just beat one of the best teams in Germany in the Champions League and should have been more. Not sure if that’s been lost in the Carlos (actually Martinez) mistakes.
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I don't see Mings making a difference for the two conceded tonight.
I'm not sure he stops like Carlos did for the first, he would have more of a chance in a foot race than Carlos did for the second too. But it's not just the two goals, or the one Torres tried to gift them, when our defence was at sea the last 30 mins he would be organising people. That's where he is at his best. Konsa and Torres sunk late on and Carlos head was gone fouling everyone. There's no communication between them bar Konsa pointing fingers blaming others.
Emery needs to take criticism too. From commenting about Kosta going on loan yesterday, his decision to bring him on tonight nearly cost us. He was horribly out of his depth, sadly. There was no need for it either. Any of the centre backs could have been hooked without complaint to get Mings in. We could have shifted to a back 4 and moved Konsa over, taken off Torres.
Mings will have to come back in for Forest.
Ok but it’s not a direct comparison, in that generally the defensive play and structure was very good. There were a couple of glaring errors obviously, but the “sunk late on” point is probably about fatigue as much as anything. Had we had subs available we could have done something about it, but had Mings started it’s not something he’s immune to either.
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Agreed, yes the defensive lapses mixups are annoying but we just absolutely trounced the team 4th in the Bundesliga. I’m going to focus on that. Some of our passing and progressive play was just sexy football.
I’m a believer mate.
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Definitely should be bringing Olsen in for Forest, Martinez seems to have an error in him every game.
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Fuck me , we cant even enjoy a great villa win in the champs league without the arseholes coming on and arguing among ourselves ,
Standard H&V :)
‘Arseholes’ lol.
I meant the arguments, not the arseholes part
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I thought we dominated and controlled most of the game, we gifted them two but fully deserved the win.
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Yeah, we were great. It’s a funny old world. Here we are, and yet I spent yesterday morning arguing with a Villa fan who was going on about his shit Watkins is.
I’m watching it again now. Kamara played very high (for him). And he was good at it.
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I know there is a lot of debate about how our defence needs to be better, but I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that if we're going to pass out from the back, and regularly try to break presses, we are - unfortunately - going to get caught out sometimes. I'm quite sure Unai and his team have done the maths and believe the benefits outweigh the costs, but it is obviously very disappointing when we lose a goal that could easily have been avoided by "putting your bloody boot through it!". I have no doubt Emi clears that first goal (the lowest risk option) unless the team is under strict instructions to retain and recycle possession.
It was entirely his mistake, he's the player who can see the pitch, and his call, but I think he makes a different decision if our first instinct is the equivalent of "row Z, dafety first". But it isn't. We're not that team any more.
The second goal was simply Carlos not being in line with Pau and Konsa when the long ball is played; if he is, Openda is a yard (at least ) offside. A defensive mistake, but again a risk we take when we play our high-line (which for the most part, is excellent).
Pau could easily have gifted them a third with his pass to Openda in the second half, which again came from us trying to pass out from the back.
That's all a long way of me saying I'm coming to terms with the fact that we sometimes play a high-risk style of football, that is sometimes uncomfortable to watch, and sometimes costs us goals - because it also leads to some of the best football I've seen a Villa team play in decades, so I can live with it.
Would I like more clean sheets, more solid defensive performances? Of course I would. Do I want that at the expense of our current playing style? Absolutely not.
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Well said 👌
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Sums up my views too
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And me. But - it doesn't feel like it'll take *that* much to get it a bit more solid as well.
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If we pause for breath, we are one win away from being in the top 8 in the European cup. This is an amazing achievement compared to where we were a few years ago and there will always be grumbles about the defence, Baileys form etc, but let’s enjoy it for what it is. I bet the Madrid galcticos forum were also moaning that Beckham was one footed and Zidane lacked pace.
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I'm so glad we got the win.
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By chance, I've known lots of multilingual people in my time (far more women than men, incidentally), and yes it still impresses me because I struggle with English, but the ability to switch seamlessly between languages doesn't hold the same novelty for me that it once did.
I ask the bigger questions. Like, where does she buy her conditioner? Her hair is fucking impeccable, and you cannot fake that sheen.
It’s refreshing/surprising to see linguistically talented people presenting in football, where the norm is buffoonery by the likes of Carragher and Richards saying ‘Buenas noches’ really loudly, then falling over themselves guffawing. See Jhon Duran interview after the Bayern Munich game for reference.
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A great win against a German side that will help towards England getting the 5th Champions League spot for next season. We may need it!!
Could do with Arses and Man City* winning tonight.
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Nah. I want them both to lose.
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The bilingual interview was impressive, until I remembered I don't speak Spanish, have no idea what she said, and so it be quite would be funny if she was actually just saying, "You do good goal. Tell more"
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Nah. I want them both to lose.
Yeah, plenty of time for the coefficient to recover. Come on Monaco and Juventus.
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I do wonder if he has been told to only speak in Spanish during these so the club can use the old translation issue trick if he said something controversial. He spoke English a couple of times and when she mentioned it, he was like, no interview in Spanish only.
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For those commenting on Cash being much improved when pushed higher up the pitch, I'm pretty sure we converted him into a RB. Didn't he play on right wing for Forest back in the day?
Left for Leipzig at 4:30am yesterday, got home at 4:30am this morning. School run done, and now a full day of work ahead of me!
Wouldn't change it for the world - What a time to be alive. Brilliant trip, let's enjoy the ride! Still can't quite believe where we are compared to even a year ago.
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For those commenting on Cash being much improved when pushed higher up the pitch, I'm pretty sure we converted him into a RB. Didn't he play on right wing for Forest back in the day?
Yup. Played on the wing and scored for Forest in that 5-5 game a few years back.
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Our most fluent attacking performance of the season, sone of the combination play showed signs of us being back to our best, evidence by the build up to the first 2 goals and the Digne chance in the 2nd half. The goals conceded were cack again, poor concentration levels and communication from experienced internationals. But overall, it was more like the stuff we saw last season and I'm happy with that. Kamara is just brilliant and could play for any team. A 10 year contract for him would be lovely.
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^^ Have you told lies before?
Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?
How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.
I don’t have a horse in this race either way, and this is clearly a crusade that means enough to you to bring it up several times. However, since semantics are involved:
a) that’s a false equivalence. The hypothetical Watkins debate is about number of goals, so clearly that’s a narrow quantitative metric with a clear answer. The debate is about which back 4 makes the better unit/team, not about which back 4 has conceded fewer goals.
b) While fewer goals usually means better defence, and statistics can paint a good picture, this isn’t some conclusive, objective, incontrovertible truth that you make it out to be. There’s a lot more to consider, especially if you’re going to make it a purely statistical argument.
c) the sample sizes you’ve used are decent, but not large enough to account for skews such as individual clangers etc
d) correlation is not causation. Your back 4 may have contributed to a tighter defence which concedes fewer goals, but that doesn’t imply causation in its entirety. Quality of opposition, our set up in those games, how well the midfield screened them, how well Emi played etc all contribute, amongst other a whole bunch of other things.
e) if it’s going to be part of a wider discussion about our best team, we also have to consider how that back 4 impacts our attack, not just a stat about goals conceded.
f) the beauty of football is that, unlike baseball, there are a whole lot of qualitative lenses through which holistic judgements need to be made, as opposed to a singular quantitative metric, even if that metric does play an important role in making said judgement
My wholehearted apologies to the rest of the site for drawing this argument out even further…
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For those commenting on Cash being much improved when pushed higher up the pitch, I'm pretty sure we converted him into a RB. Didn't he play on right wing for Forest back in the day?
Left for Leipzig at 4:30am yesterday, got home at 4:30am this morning. School run done, and now a full day of work ahead of me!
Wouldn't change it for the world - What a time to be alive. Brilliant trip, let's enjoy the ride! Still can't quite believe where we are compared to even a year ago.
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That was his best performance there for sure. But most times in Pl he has played there it hasnt worked. From what i remember wasnt the battering at vp by spurs cash at rm?
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Yes it was. It worked yesterday because Leipzig are a low confidence injury broken team at the moment and the gamble worked.
I'd definitely play him there again but the circumstances have to be right.
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Yes it was. It worked yesterday because Leipzig are a low confidence injury broken team at the moment and the gamble worked.
I'd definitely play him there again but the circumstances have to be right.
.agree with that. I wouldnt want to see it in PL again personally
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For those commenting on Cash being much improved when pushed higher up the pitch, I'm pretty sure we converted him into a RB. Didn't he play on right wing for Forest back in the day?
Left for Leipzig at 4:30am yesterday, got home at 4:30am this morning. School run done, and now a full day of work ahead of me!
Wouldn't change it for the world - What a time to be alive. Brilliant trip, let's enjoy the ride! Still can't quite believe where we are compared to even a year ago.
UTV
That was his best performance there for sure. But most times in Pl he has played there it hasnt worked. From what i remember wasnt the battering at vp by spurs cash at rm?
I have berated Cash plenty of times for not having a look before he crosses the ball because all too often he hits an aimless cross into the box which goes to waste. But last night it was noticeable how often he did look up before crossing the ball last night and the ball to Ollie at the far post was a perfect example. He's obviously been reading my comments on H&V.
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I'd much rather have Matt Cash on that side over Bailey (this season's vintage) and Philogene.
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if emi comes and boots the ball away both time there we're talking about an excellent clean sheet, because they didn't trouble us much until the end otherwise.
imo we'll start conceding less with kamara back to his best and onana coming back - even less if ramsey can stay fit
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Nah. I want them both to lose.
Yeah, plenty of time for the coefficient to recover. Come on Monaco and Juventus.
I don't think Monaco makes any difference, let them win. As for Juve, 4 sent off each and a 0-0 would be fine.
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I'd much rather have Matt Cash on that side over Bailey (this season's vintage) and Philogene.
I wouldn’t have him over Bailey, or at least not yet. Last night he was good, but it was one game and Leipzig were desperately poor in defence. On the previous occasions he’s done he’s struggled.
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I'd much rather have Matt Cash on that side over Bailey (this season's vintage) and Philogene.
I wouldn’t have him over Bailey, or at least not yet. Last night he was good, but it was one game and Leipzig were desperately poor in defence. On the previous occasions he’s done he’s struggled.
At times this season, having Bailey in there has been almost 10 men territory. At least Cash is defensively sound and aggressive. Still think Bailey can get back to his best, but maybe coming on as a sub (like he did for a part of last season if I recall) would be better.
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December has already been a lot more fun than November was.
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https://youtu.be/MbpaFwgdnaw
That interview with Jhon Duran
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I think that, given the way we played, we deserved to feel far more comfortable than we did for the last 5/10 minutes.
Really need to be a lot more clinical in front of goal, if we progress we wont get too many chances to score and we need to take those we do get, or even work the keeper more.
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Is this the "please play Mings and Konsa as centre backs" thread?
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Is this the "please play Mings and Konsa as centre backs" thread?
No it’s the we were bloody brilliant thread. Leipzig did fuck all tontrouble us other than punt long aimless balls in behind our back 4. Even with the defensive lapses they created the grand total of fuck all.
However our approach and passing were absolutely sensational and we could have won by a hatful. Some of the link up play between Rogers, Tielemans, Watkins, Duran, Kamara etc etc was fantastic and we looked a proper good outfit.
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I think that, given the way we played, we deserved to feel far more comfortable than we did for the last 5/10 minutes.
Really need to be a lot more clinical in front of goal, if we progress we wont get too many chances to score and we need to take those we do get, or even work the keeper more.
It’s been a great week but that’s been the story of the last 3 games all of which should have been far more comfortable given the great situations we created. Someone is in for a drubbing soon hopefully!
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
Agreed.
Loved the Alan Shearer comment as well that he wished he could've soaked up the atmosphere in the Christmas market a bit more before he had to do comms! ;)
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It’s been a great week but that’s been the story of the last 3 games all of which should have been far more comfortable given the great situations we created. Someone is in for a drubbing soon hopefully!
Lunchtime on December 21st will do nicely.
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It’s been a great week but that’s been the story of the last 3 games all of which should have been far more comfortable given the great situations we created. Someone is in for a drubbing soon hopefully!
Lunchtime on December 21st will do nicely.
Can’t wait that long, Saturday please!
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^^ Have you told lies before?
Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?
How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.
I don’t have a horse in this race either way, and this is clearly a crusade that means enough to you to bring it up several times. However, since semantics are involved:
a) that’s a false equivalence. The hypothetical Watkins debate is about number of goals, so clearly that’s a narrow quantitative metric with a clear answer. The debate is about which back 4 makes the better unit/team, not about which back 4 has conceded fewer goals.
b) While fewer goals usually means better defence, and statistics can paint a good picture, this isn’t some conclusive, objective, incontrovertible truth that you make it out to be. There’s a lot more to consider, especially if you’re going to make it a purely statistical argument.
c) the sample sizes you’ve used are decent, but not large enough to account for skews such as individual clangers etc
d) correlation is not causation. Your back 4 may have contributed to a tighter defence which concedes fewer goals, but that doesn’t imply causation in its entirety. Quality of opposition, our set up in those games, how well the midfield screened them, how well Emi played etc all contribute, amongst other a whole bunch of other things.
e) if it’s going to be part of a wider discussion about our best team, we also have to consider how that back 4 impacts our attack, not just a stat about goals conceded.
f) the beauty of football is that, unlike baseball, there are a whole lot of qualitative lenses through which holistic judgements need to be made, as opposed to a singular quantitative metric, even if that metric does play an important role in making said judgement
My wholehearted apologies to the rest of the site for drawing this argument out even further…
I was just about to say all that
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A great win against a German side that will help towards England getting the 5th Champions League spot for next season. We may need it!!
Could do with Arses and Man City* winning tonight.
we'll get automatic entry as holders.
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
Agreed.
Loved the Alan Shearer comment as well that he wished he could've soaked up the atmosphere in the Christmas market a bit more before he had to do comms! ;)
I thought Shearer was good on co comms. Helped that he seemed to want us to win and clearly loves both Watkins and Duran.
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Considering the shite we gave him during his management time with the Geordies, he does seem to favour us a lot. I quite like him on co-comms.
Would much rather listen to him than that snarling ratface Carragher and his 'well, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeerm...' comments.
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I think the advantage of playing Cash high up on the right is that it creates a very simple role for him to perform, using his pace and aggression to stretch their fullback and be able to swing crosses in. It stretches their defence and gives us more of an overlap threat, creating more space for McGinn, Rogers or Watkins, whoever wants to drift into that right sided channel just inside. His running really stretched them on the counter attack too especially in the first half, even if he doesn't get the ball.
Bailey is obviously more skillful, and overall offers more creatively, but being left footed on that side will almost always look to cut inside. That's definitely not worked as well this season without Diaby (who would often be the player running away from him behind a defence). It might be that we see a new position for Leon over the next few weeks/months to increase his attacking options a bit.
I'd definitely be happy if we saw the same team from last night vs Forest, with Mings in for Carlos to deal with their aerial threat in Wood. Think it offered us both a new way to attack, and naturally with Cash dropping in to make a back 5, a lot more defensive solidity especially in defending the counter attack which we'd looked woeful at recently.
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
Agreed.
Loved the Alan Shearer comment as well that he wished he could've soaked up the atmosphere in the Christmas market a bit more before he had to do comms! ;)
I thought Shearer was good on co comms. Helped that he seemed to want us to win and clearly loves both Watkins and Duran.
The whole Prime set up is miles better than TNT. A good, knowledgeable host in Gabby Logan, decent guest pundits, and an excellent after-match interviewer. Actually spending time to talk about us, rather than half an hour about Manchester United, and "now here's the football." Good interviews, with well thought out questions, unlike that utter div on TNT, with his complete nonsense "Alright Unai, you're very good in Europe, what's your favourite chocolate in a tin of Quality Street, bruv?"
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Now I actually want to know what Unai's favourite Quality Street is.
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Hopefully his reply is "none of them because the ****** at Nestle make them and they should be boycotted as much as possible, the baby killing ******".
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It's telling that anyone defending Carlos (and it's just as well he doesn't have to do it himself) has to make a case based on the handful of games in his entire Villa career when he hasn't dropped a bollock.
It should be the norm for a defender, not the exception.
We were keen to offload him to Fulham in the summer and are apparently open to him going in Jan according to various reports, so it doesn't seem Emery is particularly enamoured with him either.
He'll be gone soon, hopefully. And that will be the end of that.
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A far bigger dilemma is Torres' ongoing malaise.
He's approaching 18 months in English football and the issues spoken about last season still show themselves time and again; lack of strength on the ball, lack of recovery pace, weakness in the air and tendency to ballwatch.
He could have Beckenbauer-like ability of the ball and it would be hard find a starting place for him in the modern game as a centre half with the above deficiencies.
Part of the upturn in form we seen when Emery joined was solidity at the back and better defensive organisation. So the manager can set teams up that way. He has shown it.
But if having that Torres-like ability to bring the ball out from the back start attacks is key to his vision he might need to find a better player than Pau (with more rounded defensive skills) to do it.
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Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.
Agreed.
Loved the Alan Shearer comment as well that he wished he could've soaked up the atmosphere in the Christmas market a bit more before he had to do comms! ;)
I thought Shearer was good on co comms. Helped that he seemed to want us to win and clearly loves both Watkins and Duran.
The whole Prime set up is miles better than TNT. A good, knowledgeable host in Gabby Logan, decent guest pundits, and an excellent after-match interviewer. Actually spending time to talk about us, rather than half an hour about Manchester United, and "now here's the football." Good interviews, with well thought out questions, unlike that utter div on TNT, with his complete nonsense "Alright Unai, you're very good in Europe, what's your favourite chocolate in a tin of Quality Street, bruv?"
Point of order, they're not tins anymore they're plastic.
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I still reckon we need minimum of 4 points.
I don't think any will disagree for certain qualification, and our inferior GD to some of the others around us we will need to be at least a point above the cut off, but I still think 15 points and GD will be the cut-off. 16 points will still be fine but maybe squeaky if we lose in Monaco in January.
We only need one point to finish in top 24.
We are certainly through to the next round of matches whether that is straight in or entering a qualifier, and if the latter, I also think we have already done enough for 2nd leg at home.
Agree we will be 14th or 15th with the current total. A win in Monaco and Top 8 is as good as done according to Amazon last night. Still not so sure - may look different after tonight's results.
Always thought 16 was a minimum for Top 8, 17 more likely and 18 definite.
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Win in Monaco and top 8 is assured, because we will batter Celtic in the last game.
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A far bigger dilemma is Torres' ongoing malaise.
He's approaching 18 months in English football and the issues spoken about last season still show themselves time and again; lack of strength on the ball, lack of recovery pace, weakness in the air and tendency to ballwatch.
He could have Beckenbauer-like ability of the ball and it would be hard find a starting place for him in the modern game as a centre half with the above deficiencies.
Part of the upturn in form we seen when Emery joined was solidity at the back and better defensive organisation. So the manager can set teams up that way. He has shown it.
But if having that Torres-like ability to bring the ball out from the back start attacks is key to his vision he might need to find a better player than Pau (with more rounded defensive skills) to do it.
I think Torres + Mings/Konsa in a 3 will work well as those two essentially negate the flaws he has in his game. Torres with Carlos is a train wreck against transitional teams as neither of them can defend space in the way Mings can with his pace and physicality.
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Point of order, they're not tins anymore they're plastic.
You can still buy the metal tins. So obviously the main point of my serious post remains intact!
https://groceries.morrisons.com/products/quality-street-tin/113266438?srsltid=AfmBOooNO0NuLiPQpJ7fpTRPLbkjzNDNoPoGjCqfeSwy-TIi55lEMsgK
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I realise they’re a faceless corporate franchise club that play in a soulless out of town bowl but everything yesterday was so very German and all the better for it.
We walked to the ground which was about a half hour trek, slight annoyance that you weren’t allowed to take in of all things battery charging packs but got them back quickly afterwards, thought the away end was alright plenty of food and drink stalls and concourse wasn’t too packed but maybe a lack of WCs. The safe standing areas were great with a really good rake on the stand. We managed to get out the ground quite quickly so we’re in the first group of shuttle buses back into town which meant I was back in my hotel for 11:20, 30 mins after the final whistle so from an organisational and supporter comfort point of view it was all pretty good.
As a minor point for all those young lads who’ve started throwing beer whenever we score….fuck off you immature little dickheads.
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Hopefully his reply is "none of them because the ****** at Nestle make them and they should be boycotted as much as possible, the baby killing ******".
One of the things I enjoy on H&V is the random twists and turns each thread can sometimes take. But fuck me this was an unexpected twist 😁
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As a minor point for all those young lads who’ve started throwing beer whenever we score….fuck off you immature little dickheads.
+1 for this - Knobheads.
And a special shoutout for the teen knobhead shouting at the police outside the away end pre-match about winning wars, when even the semen that created his father wouldn't have existed at the time?!
Brits abroad.... FFS!
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I know there is a lot of debate about how our defence needs to be better, but I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that if we're going to pass out from the back, and regularly try to break presses, we are - unfortunately - going to get caught out sometimes. I'm quite sure Unai and his team have done the maths and believe the benefits outweigh the costs, but it is obviously very disappointing when we lose a goal that could easily have been avoided by "putting your bloody boot through it!". I have no doubt Emi clears that first goal (the lowest risk option) unless the team is under strict instructions to retain and recycle possession.
It was entirely his mistake, he's the player who can see the pitch, and his call, but I think he makes a different decision if our first instinct is the equivalent of "row Z, dafety first". But it isn't. We're not that team any more.
The second goal was simply Carlos not being in line with Pau and Konsa when the long ball is played; if he is, Openda is a yard (at least ) offside. A defensive mistake, but again a risk we take when we play our high-line (which for the most part, is excellent).
Pau could easily have gifted them a third with his pass to Openda in the second half, which again came from us trying to pass out from the back.
That's all a long way of me saying I'm coming to terms with the fact that we sometimes play a high-risk style of football, that is sometimes uncomfortable to watch, and sometimes costs us goals - because it also leads to some of the best football I've seen a Villa team play in decades, so I can live with it.
Would I like more clean sheets, more solid defensive performances? Of course I would. Do I want that at the expense of our current playing style? Absolutely not.
We play high risk, high reward. First time I saw Villa under Emery in the flesh was the 2-4 reverse v Leicester at start of 2023. We battered them mainly but conceded soft goals even then.
I could see the plan and the intent and knew it would be bumpy.
I'd rather play like this, have the odd mare, Spuds 2nd half, Toon last season and see our players moving the ball, interchanging, keeping their shape and practically every single player in the club or has moved now since Emery took over is worth a helluva a lot more than we paid for them. Like it or not that is important with PSR etc... More so everyone is worth bucketloads more than when Gerrard was fucked off.
Enjoy it - this is the best Villa side to watch in decades. And the results haven't been too shabby the last 2 years.
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The build up for the Duran goal was nearly as sexy as the finish.
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The movement has returned - which seemed to have been missing for our dodgy spell. The goals last night had the same tempo as the goals vs man city and Arsenal last season.
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The build up for the Duran goal was nearly as sexy as the finish.
Yes, the speed from leaving Martinez to the goal was impressive.
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Really enjoyed last night except for my river was a bit shit as I couldnt get on amazon even thou Id signed for the free trial , need to find another way for the barcode game.
Just like to say well done the youth for that brilliant 4 3 win against Leipzig and qualifying , two late goals in stoppage time :)
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Hopefully his reply is "none of them because the ****** at Nestle make them and they should be boycotted as much as possible, the baby killing ******".
One of the things I enjoy on H&V is the random twists and turns each thread can sometimes take. But fuck me this was an unexpected twist 😁
Do a search on Nestle's antics in Africa, will put you off the company as well.
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Noticeable again last night was the terrible quality of our shooting at goal, notwithstanding Duran's goal (and even that one should have been saved).
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Probably our best performance this season, we opened them up with ease. I'm not sure if it was just that Leipzig were poor but would prefer to think we were good. On paper last night should have been our toughest game.
The first goal conceded was obviously a Martinez error, the second was simply a well worked goal.
Whilst all the talk is about how fragile we look defensively, we also lack the killer instinct at the other end of the pitch. We need to bear in mind we've been successful over the last two seasons because we take risks at the back, sometimes with players who weren't bought to play that system.
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Winning away in this competition is never easy so a good performance and Emery got it spot on with Cash out wide.
We have to get rid of these silly mistakes at the back as we will get punished heavily as we go forward.
Who’d have thought we’d be on 13 points with 2 games to go? Unbelievable really considering the state we were in not so long ago. If we can do some business in January then anything is possible this season.
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Noticeable again last night was the terrible quality of our shooting at goal, notwithstanding Duran's goal (and even that one should have been saved).
Keeper never stood a chance, Duran lobbed him perfectly.
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Probably our best performance this season, we opened them up with ease. I'm not sure if it was just that Leipzig were poor but would prefer to think we were good. On paper last night should have been our toughest game.
The first goal conceded was obviously a Martinez error, the second was simply a well worked goal.
Whilst all the talk is about how fragile we look defensively, we also lack the killer instinct at the other end of the pitch. We need to bear in mind we've been successful over the last two seasons because we take risks at the back, sometimes with players who weren't bought to play that system.
When we concede I always think it could have been prevented, all goals can. This one was a poorly arranged high line. I bet Unai never says we couldn’t have done anything about that goal we conceded, hours of watching through it…. Who didn’t track back, close down etc wtc
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Noticeable again last night was the terrible quality of our shooting at goal, notwithstanding Duran's goal (and even that one should have been saved).
I agree our players need to improve in that department. Tielemans weak shot dragged wide when it sat up lovely for him on the edge of the box and Ollie's still scuffing his shots terribly. But why would you denigrate Durans brilliant goal like that? You should be thrilled to bits witnessing a Villa player scoring goals like that not looking for a way you can blame the keeper.
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
So everything about the trip was fabulous.....except the stupidity of the English football fan who throws beer in the air. Yup. Embarrassment
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As a minor point for all those young lads who’ve started throwing beer whenever we score….fuck off you immature little dickheads.
+1 for this - Knobheads.
And a special shoutout for the teen knobhead shouting at the police outside the away end pre-match about winning wars, when even the semen that created his father wouldn't have existed at the time?!
Brits abroad.... FFS!
count me in
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
People chucking beer about are absolute vermin. I'd love to go to more Villa away games, but unfortunately I always end up pissed off with the set of absolute twats I usually find myself saddled with in the immediate vicinity. Coke-addled tossers flapping their podgy hands at opposition fans, mostly.
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I'd concur with that about throwing beer around. Disgraceful.
We have our fair share of tossers as fans, same as every club. Far fewer than Small Heath but still far too many.
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
People chucking beer about are absolute vermin. I'd love to go to more Villa away games, but unfortunately I always end up pissed off with the set of absolute twats I usually find myself saddled with in the immediate vicinity. Coke-addled tossers flapping their podgy hands at opposition fans, mostly.
100% this Risso. I’m all for having a couple of beers at the game but the state some of them are in they couldn’t tell you if a game was happening….
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I've always fancied watching us in a European game away but that kind of of nonsense puts me off. It's not everyone obviously but some just go long to get as drunk as humanly possible. You're best off doing an away freindly, they're probably a bit more civilised. Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers a few years back were great.
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I've always fancied watching us in a European game away but that kind of of nonsense puts me off. It's not everyone obviously but some just go long to get as drunk as humanly possible. You're best off doing an away freindly, they're probably a bit more civilised. Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers a few years back were great.
Just go into the home end, you get to enjoy the game with normal people, avoiding coke snorting pint chuckers.*
* Depending on the home fans
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
People chucking beer about are absolute vermin. I'd love to go to more Villa away games, but unfortunately I always end up pissed off with the set of absolute twats I usually find myself saddled with in the immediate vicinity. Coke-addled tossers flapping their podgy hands at opposition fans, mostly.
Know of one at a premier league away game,got nicked for throwing a flare,he was fortunate and got away with it,he was only a health and safety officer
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I've always fancied watching us in a European game away but that kind of of nonsense puts me off. It's not everyone obviously but some just go long to get as drunk as humanly possible. You're best off doing an away freindly, they're probably a bit more civilised. Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers a few years back were great.
Just go into the home end, you get to enjoy the game with normal people, avoiding coke snorting pint chuckers.*
* Depending on the home fans
Yeah but you can't jump up and dance when the Villa score which is surely the point of it all.
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I've always fancied watching us in a European game away but that kind of of nonsense puts me off. It's not everyone obviously but some just go long to get as drunk as humanly possible. You're best off doing an away freindly, they're probably a bit more civilised. Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers a few years back were great.
Just go into the home end, you get to enjoy the game with normal people, avoiding coke snorting pint chuckers.*
* Depending on the home fans
Yeah but you can't jump up and dance when the Villa score which is surely the point of it all.
I don’t know, it’d probably depend where you were in the ground and who you were playing.
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^^ Have you told lies before?
Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?
How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.
I don’t have a horse in this race either way, and this is clearly a crusade that means enough to you to bring it up several times. However, since semantics are involved:
a) that’s a false equivalence. The hypothetical Watkins debate is about number of goals, so clearly that’s a narrow quantitative metric with a clear answer. The debate is about which back 4 makes the better unit/team, not about which back 4 has conceded fewer goals.
b) While fewer goals usually means better defence, and statistics can paint a good picture, this isn’t some conclusive, objective, incontrovertible truth that you make it out to be. There’s a lot more to consider, especially if you’re going to make it a purely statistical argument.
c) the sample sizes you’ve used are decent, but not large enough to account for skews such as individual clangers etc
d) correlation is not causation. Your back 4 may have contributed to a tighter defence which concedes fewer goals, but that doesn’t imply causation in its entirety. Quality of opposition, our set up in those games, how well the midfield screened them, how well Emi played etc all contribute, amongst other a whole bunch of other things.
e) if it’s going to be part of a wider discussion about our best team, we also have to consider how that back 4 impacts our attack, not just a stat about goals conceded.
f) the beauty of football is that, unlike baseball, there are a whole lot of qualitative lenses through which holistic judgements need to be made, as opposed to a singular quantitative metric, even if that metric does play an important role in making said judgement
My wholehearted apologies to the rest of the site for drawing this argument out even further…
I was just about to say all that
Me too - effortlessly switching between English and Spanish all the way through.
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If we can sort the centre of defence out (Konsa / Mings is the answer) this team might actually win something . Carlos / Torres looked an absolute liability again last night. Mings distribution is pretty good too so I see Torres as no real loss .
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^^ Have you told lies before?
Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?
How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.
I don’t have a horse in this race either way, and this is clearly a crusade that means enough to you to bring it up several times. However, since semantics are involved:
a) that’s a false equivalence. The hypothetical Watkins debate is about number of goals, so clearly that’s a narrow quantitative metric with a clear answer. The debate is about which back 4 makes the better unit/team, not about which back 4 has conceded fewer goals.
b) While fewer goals usually means better defence, and statistics can paint a good picture, this isn’t some conclusive, objective, incontrovertible truth that you make it out to be. There’s a lot more to consider, especially if you’re going to make it a purely statistical argument.
c) the sample sizes you’ve used are decent, but not large enough to account for skews such as individual clangers etc
d) correlation is not causation. Your back 4 may have contributed to a tighter defence which concedes fewer goals, but that doesn’t imply causation in its entirety. Quality of opposition, our set up in those games, how well the midfield screened them, how well Emi played etc all contribute, amongst other a whole bunch of other things.
e) if it’s going to be part of a wider discussion about our best team, we also have to consider how that back 4 impacts our attack, not just a stat about goals conceded.
f) the beauty of football is that, unlike baseball, there are a whole lot of qualitative lenses through which holistic judgements need to be made, as opposed to a singular quantitative metric, even if that metric does play an important role in making said judgement
My wholehearted apologies to the rest of the site for drawing this argument out even further…
I was just about to say all that
Me too - effortlessly switching between English and Spanish all the way through.
Excellent work rooboy as it identifies all parameters when considering the best. I like the basic and accurate, Mings would be better than Carlos. I know this because I’ve seen plenty of both of them.
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Villa Tim, you obviously do not watch many Villa games.
Unai said after the Brentford game that we had to change the way we normally play to accommodate Mings into the side, and if you did watch that game then you would have seen that Mings is not as comfortable with the ball at his feet.
We are a fantastic team to watch, I don't want to just see us booting the ball down the pitch.
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So the assistant retired after the game on Tuesday. Hence the tears at full time.
I thought they were amongst some of the best officials we've had this season.
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It helps that "we won" but also there was nothing contentious in the whole game. No penalty decisions, no fouls in the build-up to any of the goals, barely any bad fouls in the whole match for either side.
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Villa Tim, you obviously do not watch many Villa games.
Unai said after the Brentford game that we had to change the way we normally play to accommodate Mings into the side, and if you did watch that game then you would have seen that Mings is not as comfortable with the ball at his feet.
We are a fantastic team to watch, I don't want to just see us booting the ball down the pitch.
You obviously didn't watch the Brentford game. Of the 40 passes that Mings made (with a 90% completion rate), how many were long punts out of defence. I'll give you a clue, it was less than one.
Zero
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I've always fancied watching us in a European game away but that kind of of nonsense puts me off. It's not everyone obviously but some just go long to get as drunk as humanly possible. You're best off doing an away freindly, they're probably a bit more civilised. Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers a few years back were great.
I'd imagine that there were even more drunk annoying people in Belgium, but it was very easy to avoid them. I mean I never saw another Villa fan in three days.
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I've always fancied watching us in a European game away but that kind of of nonsense puts me off. It's not everyone obviously but some just go long to get as drunk as humanly possible. You're best off doing an away freindly, they're probably a bit more civilised. Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers a few years back were great.
I'd imagine that there were even more drunk annoying people in Belgium, but it was very easy to avoid them. I mean I never saw another Villa fan in three days.
Plenty of Blues fans though.
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Villa Tim, you obviously do not watch many Villa games.
Unai said after the Brentford game that we had to change the way we normally play to accommodate Mings into the side, and if you did watch that game then you would have seen that Mings is not as comfortable with the ball at his feet.
We are a fantastic team to watch, I don't want to just see us booting the ball down the pitch.
Not sure thats correct. I didnt see many mings hoofball in the game. No question mings isnt as good as playing from the back as pau but throwing mings in that back four wouldn't completely change the way we play
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
People chucking beer about are absolute vermin. I'd love to go to more Villa away games, but unfortunately I always end up pissed off with the set of absolute twats I usually find myself saddled with in the immediate vicinity. Coke-addled tossers flapping their podgy hands at opposition fans, mostly.
When McGinn scored I and many others were showered in beer. Fortunately I had a hat on but there was so much beer thrown around that at the end we were standing in it. Goodness knows how much that had all cost. I hope that we never allow it in the stands. I'm all for jumping around but this is a big nuisance.
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The beer chucking nonsense seemed to start with all those horrible Boxpark type places, somewhere else I'll never set foot while I've got a breath left in my body.
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Im expecting abit of fatigue in this game if our previous post CL league game ia anything to go by. Forest will fancy their chances. Im hoping we make afew changes. Rogers i think could do with a bemch start as he is tired. Maybe get onana in for yorui. Obviously get mings and cahs back in defence too
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Villa Tim, you obviously do not watch many Villa games.
Unai said after the Brentford game that we had to change the way we normally play to accommodate Mings into the side, and if you did watch that game then you would have seen that Mings is not as comfortable with the ball at his feet.
We are a fantastic team to watch, I don't want to just see us booting the ball down the pitch.
You obviously didn't watch the Brentford game. Of the 40 passes that Mings made (with a 90% completion rate), how many were long punts out of defence. I'll give you a clue, it was less than one.
Zero
Great stuff Risso.
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It helps that "we won" but also there was nothing contentious in the whole game. No penalty decisions, no fouls in the build-up to any of the goals, barely any bad fouls in the whole match for either side.
As I said on the match thread my only complaint was that he didn't book Baumgartner who committed more fouls in the first half than our entire team. It's a minor thing though.
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The beer chucking nonsense seemed to start with all those horrible Boxpark type places, somewhere else I'll never set foot while I've got a breath left in my body.
It didn't really start with them. Saw similar in pubs during Euro 96 for example. And the classic meme was England v Wales in 2016. TBH it would happen anywhere that fans gather in numbers AND would more then likely have a drink in their hand when a goal is scored. If everyone had an open container of pop in a stand when Duran leathers one in, then it would all be coke thrown over everyone instead.
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
People chucking beer about are absolute vermin. I'd love to go to more Villa away games, but unfortunately I always end up pissed off with the set of absolute twats I usually find myself saddled with in the immediate vicinity. Coke-addled tossers flapping their podgy hands at opposition fans, mostly.
When McGinn scored I and many others were showered in beer. Fortunately I had a hat on but there was so much beer thrown around that at the end we were standing in it. Goodness knows how much that had all cost. I hope that we never allow it in the stands. I'm all for jumping around but this is a big nuisance.
I stood at the back behind the last barrier knowing full well what would happen when we scored and luckily managed to stay dry.
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
People chucking beer about are absolute vermin. I'd love to go to more Villa away games, but unfortunately I always end up pissed off with the set of absolute twats I usually find myself saddled with in the immediate vicinity. Coke-addled tossers flapping their podgy hands at opposition fans, mostly.
When McGinn scored I and many others were showered in beer. Fortunately I had a hat on but there was so much beer thrown around that at the end we were standing in it. Goodness knows how much that had all cost. I hope that we never allow it in the stands. I'm all for jumping around but this is a big nuisance.
I stood at the back behind the last barrier knowing full well what would happen when we scored and luckily managed to stay dry.
Virtually what I did. One row from the back. The best view and it was obvious the beer would go forward!
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Definitely should be bringing Olsen in for Forest, Martinez seems to have an error in him every game.
To be honest I don't get the blaming the 1st goal completely at Martinez, it think they were all to blame they had Leipzig attacker stroll past them and no one reacted. I do agree that would have been different if Mings was there yes it came from the wrong side but Mings is a leader and I'm confident he would have taken charge of the situation instead of standing and watching.
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Didn't Carlos, Konsa and Martinez have form for that from a previous match, difference then was the ball dropped closer to the goal in the box.
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The beer thing has been part of the concert scene for a while now - lots of it going on when i saw the Twang - not so much at the Opera ;)
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Definitely should be bringing Olsen in for Forest, Martinez seems to have an error in him every game.
To be honest I don't get the blaming the 1st goal completely at Martinez, it think they were all to blame they had Leipzig attacker stroll past them and no one reacted. I do agree that would have been different if Mings was there yes it came from the wrong side but Mings is a leader and I'm confident he would have taken charge of the situation instead of standing and watching.
We never concede any goals when Mings plays😂
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Maybe I'm getting old but if I was drenched in someone else's lager after every villa goal I'd be seriously pissed off especially with a treck home via planes trains automobiles in sticky damp booze ridden clothing . I'd be furious
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Other players 'might' have done something about the first goal but Emi should have done, he's the one facing the ball, when he realises its not going to carry to him he should have volleyed clear. No one to blame but him.
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I stood at the back behind the last barrier knowing full well what would happen when we scored and luckily managed to stay dry.
Virtually what I did. One row from the back. The best view and it was obvious the beer would go forward!
Aha…being naive in these matters I got caught out, next time I will do as you two wise old owls did.
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Other players 'might' have done something about the first goal but Emi should have done, he's the one facing the ball, when he realises its not going to carry to him he should have volleyed clear. No one to blame but him.
Agreed, he can see the whole pitch ahead of him and the play developing. Seems like he just froze on the edge of the box. Normally he's so sharp off his line to be that sweeper. I think that affected him for their second goal too as his starting position for the first ball should have been far higher out of his box when our defensive line was so high. Their forwards combined exceptionally to punish us to be fair. Id cut Carlos a bit of slack for the second, yes he is playing the forward onside but our defensive line is so high it's always a risk. He should be expecting Martinez to sweep up.
But..defenders should be planning for the worst case scenario too, a fumble or slip or anything. Konsa can't be letting their forward step across him unchecked for the first. That's piss poor. Step out in front of him to block him off at a minimum. Carlos just stops running, if he's expecting Martinez to clear his eyes should be on the forward too, to block him off if nothing else. Zero communication between the three of them. Awful goal to concede when we were in complete control of the game.
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Maybe I'm getting old but if I was drenched in someone else's lager after every villa goal I'd be seriously pissed off especially with a treck home via planes trains automobiles in sticky damp booze ridden clothing . I'd be furious
Most people take a change of clothes to them because they stop a night.
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Other players 'might' have done something about the first goal but Emi should have done, he's the one facing the ball, when he realises its not going to carry to him he should have volleyed clear. No one to blame but him.
Agreed, he can see the whole pitch ahead of him and the play developing. Seems like he just froze on the edge of the box. Normally he's so sharp off his line to be that sweeper. I think that affected him for their second goal too as his starting position for the first ball should have been far higher out of his box when our defensive line was so high. Their forwards combined exceptionally to punish us to be fair. Id cut Carlos a bit of slack for the second, yes he is playing the forward onside but our defensive line is so high it's always a risk. He should be expecting Martinez to sweep up.
But..defenders should be planning for the worst case scenario too, a fumble or slip or anything. Konsa can't be letting their forward step across him unchecked for the first. That's piss poor. Step out in front of him to block him off at a minimum. Carlos just stops running, if he's expecting Martinez to clear his eyes should be on the forward too, to block him off if nothing else. Zero communication between the three of them. Awful goal to concede when we were in complete control of the game.
I think there's also the split-second consideration from Emi of "Will Diego do something stupid here?"
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The beer glasses were quite smart with the way you could stack the handles to more readily carry multiple beers.
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The beer glasses were quite smart with the way you could stack the handles to more readily carry multiple beers.
How are you after the tumble on the terraces btw. Looked nasty.
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Maybe I'm getting old but if I was drenched in someone else's lager after every villa goal I'd be seriously pissed off especially with a treck home via planes trains automobiles in sticky damp booze ridden clothing . I'd be furious
You could always go to the theatre instead.
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The beer glasses were quite smart with the way you could stack the handles to more readily carry multiple beers.
How are you after the tumble on the terraces btw. Looked nasty.
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Maybe I'm getting old but if I was drenched in someone else's lager after every villa goal I'd be seriously pissed off especially with a treck home via planes trains automobiles in sticky damp booze ridden clothing . I'd be furious
You could always go to the theatre instead.
Or stay dry on the sofa
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The beer glasses were quite smart with the way you could stack the handles to more readily carry multiple beers.
How are you after the tumble on the terraces btw. Looked nasty.
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.there was some villa fan the other night on tv at the game who embarrassingly fell over in the stands and the pundits were pissing themselves. People were joking on here that it was you
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An enjoyable trip although the storms here in West Wales almost prevented me from travelling. We had power cuts from Saturday AM until last night at 6PM. Pretty much when I landed back in Bristol. My partner is very understanding!!. I had a full day on my own in Berlin as a tourist before travelling to Leipzig with the other Bournemouth Lions on the morning of the game. Winning away will always make the trip that bit special and it was a great performance that hopefully gives the team the confidence to push on in both the Prem and Europe.
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
People chucking beer about are absolute vermin. I'd love to go to more Villa away games, but unfortunately I always end up pissed off with the set of absolute twats I usually find myself saddled with in the immediate vicinity. Coke-addled tossers flapping their podgy hands at opposition fans, mostly.
When McGinn scored I and many others were showered in beer. Fortunately I had a hat on but there was so much beer thrown around that at the end we were standing in it. Goodness knows how much that had all cost. I hope that we never allow it in the stands. I'm all for jumping around but this is a big nuisance.
I stood at the back behind the last barrier knowing full well what would happen when we scored and luckily managed to stay dry.
Virtually what I did. One row from the back. The best view and it was obvious the beer would go forward!
Clever move gents. We moved halfway down to be out of the way of people getting beer and got drowned. We watched in the gangway, which was packed, as the terrace was completely full. There were surely more than 2200 Villa fans in there. It felt like at least half of them had a couple of pints to chuck when we scored. - a lot of wasted ale with 3 goals and two disallowed.
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Maybe I'm getting old but if I was drenched in someone else's lager after every villa goal I'd be seriously pissed off especially with a treck home via planes trains automobiles in sticky damp booze ridden clothing . I'd be furious
Most people take a change of clothes to them because they stop a night.
They do. But not a spare coat, hat and scarf. Clothes dried overnight but still smelled of stale beer
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The beer glasses were quite smart with the way you could stack the handles to more readily carry multiple beers.
How are you after the tumble on the terraces btw. Looked nasty.
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There was a video on Amazon of a fan taking a tumble when celebrating.
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
People chucking beer about are absolute vermin. I'd love to go to more Villa away games, but unfortunately I always end up pissed off with the set of absolute twats I usually find myself saddled with in the immediate vicinity. Coke-addled tossers flapping their podgy hands at opposition fans, mostly.
Know of one at a premier league away game,got nicked for throwing a flare,he was fortunate and got away with it,he was only a health and safety officer
He had obviously completed his risk assessment
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A couple observations on last night.
Everything at the stadium was efficient and orderly.
I hope they never allow drinks into seats at Villa Park. Most people got unwanted soaking by beer being thrown into the air after every goal. It was horrible from 3rd minute onwards. Not pleasant.
The buses after the match were super efficient.
Leipzig fans were very good, knowledgeable and friendly. Public transport everywhere was good.
People chucking beer about are absolute vermin. I'd love to go to more Villa away games, but unfortunately I always end up pissed off with the set of absolute twats I usually find myself saddled with in the immediate vicinity. Coke-addled tossers flapping their podgy hands at opposition fans, mostly.
Know of one at a premier league away game,got nicked for throwing a flare,he was fortunate and got away with it,he was only a health and safety officer
He had obviously completed his risk assessment
It’s like that at Premier League games as well. Ipswich was very unpleasant. I was at the far end of the Villa area and surrounded by our ‘fans’ who hardly turned to look at the pitch but spent their time hurling abuse at their fans in the next stand. Thank goodness they couldn’t take beer in.
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Amazon Prime sent StuntPegg to Leipzeig. Mostly in the city market then the match unfortunately although she also interviews Alex Aljoe, the interpreting interviewer.