Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Off Topic => Sports Arena => Topic started by: manic-road on December 09, 2024, 08:53:03 AM
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Contenders:
Jude Bellingham
Keely Hodgkinson
Luke Littler
Joe Root
Sarah Storey
Alex Yee
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I would go for Yee, myself. Not many people have the World, Olympics and Commonwealth* titles at a tough discipline at the same time.
*And with the way things are going, it will be his title for life.
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Having broken the record for all time stage wins on the Tour De France I was hoping Mark Cavendish would have been nominated.
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Having broken the record for all time stage wins on the Tour De France I was hoping Mark Cavendish would have been nominated.
He has previously been nominated and won it, so giving younger people a chance at the main thing is Ok with me. Also that record has been years in the making, he just happened to complete it this year.
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Having broken the record for all time stage wins on the Tour De France I was hoping Mark Cavendish would have been nominated.
He has previously been nominated and won it, so giving younger people a chance at the main thing is Ok with me. Also that record has been years in the making, he just happened to complete it this year.
Andy Murray has won it three times, and several people including Lewis Hamilton have won it twice. Hamilton has been nominated 6 times, so previously being nominated isn't a reason not to be again. And the record being "years in the making" is exactly the same for Root as well.
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I know there has been multiple winners, just stating it is nice to have a list of non-winners as it is not like he hasn't won it in the past for his tremendous feats in 2011. As for the length of time. The only big thing Cav did in the sport in 2024 was win the 1 stage needed, (which was tremendous at his age and the capstone to the feat).
As for Root, yes, they have mentioned his long term feats, but this year he also has 6 centuries for England and is classed as the best Test batsman in the world (again). So I do think he has more of a claim them Mark, who I suspect might get an honour award anyway.
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Yee for me with Hodgkinson a close 2nd. I think during an olympics year athletes/swimmers/etc should always be the favourites over sports where achievements are more regular.
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I know there has been multiple winners, just stating it is nice to have a list of non-winners as it is not like he hasn't won it in the past for his tremendous feats in 2011. As for the length of time. The only big thing Cav did in the sport in 2024 was win the 1 stage needed, (which was tremendous at his age and the capstone to the feat).
As for Root, yes, they have mentioned his long term feats, but this year he also has 6 centuries for England and is classed as the best Test batsman in the world (again). So I do think he has more of a claim them Mark, who I suspect might get an honour award anyway.
They both deserve it more than Bellingham, who had a good year in Spain, but was largely shit for England.
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Should be Cav. What he's done is remarkable. Don't get why he's not nominated
Not sure what Bellingham has specifically done. Guess they needed a footballer.
Root's a a bit of a career achievement nod so, as others have said, why not Cav as well.
A couple of the other names look familiar, but I couldn't tell you their sport
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Yes, Bellingham was the weakest pick for me and only really there for his Madrid performance. Ok he also scored for England in the Euros but his contribution otherwise was awful, you could argue Watkins has as much a claim as him.
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Should be Cav. What he's done is remarkable. Don't get why he's not nominated
Not sure what Bellingham has specifically done. Guess they needed a footballer.
Root's a a bit of a career achievement nod so, as others have said, why not Cav as well.
A couple of the other names look familiar, but I couldn't tell you their sport
It isn't just career for Root being as he has 6 centuries this year AND is currently best test batsman in the world. I expect Cav will get the lifetime achievement award anyway.
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Luke Littler for me, but Keely Hodgkinson will win it. Littler should be a shoo-in for YSPOTY.
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Luke Littler for me, but Keely Hodgkinson will win it. Littler should be a shoo-in for YSPOTY.
Yeah Keely's odds on favourite with the bookies.
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How in the name of all that is holy, does Tadej Podacar not even get on the nominations list for world sports star. He is, in all likelihood, the greatest active sports star in the world and at least the second best of all time coming off the greatest set of results ever.
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I bet Jon Crofts thinks a cyclist should win. It's a Christmas tradition.
Anyway Hodgkinson will win.
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How in the name of all that is holy, does Tadej Podacar not even get on the nominations list for world sports star. He is, in all likelihood, the greatest active sports star in the world and at least the second best of all time coming off the greatest set of results ever.
Seems an odd omission given that one of the picks is a female US college basketball player.
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If the nose wins will the BBC retire the SPOTY trophy?
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I’m not anti woke or anything but some of these picks seem to be ticking the boxes.
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I’m not anti woke or anything but some of these picks seem to be ticking the boxes.
In what way? Olympics years always throw up massive Olympics performances, and all bar Clark dominated at the Olympics and their own disciplines throughout the year. Clark has dominated her sport as well, but it isn't really on an international stage like the rest.
Although I do agree with you on Podacar though.
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How in the name of all that is holy, does Tadej Podacar not even get on the nominations list for world sports star. He is, in all likelihood, the greatest active sports star in the world and at least the second best of all time coming off the greatest set of results ever.
As well as being the world's second greatest Slovenian.
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How in the name of all that is holy, does Tadej Podacar not even get on the nominations list for world sports star. He is, in all likelihood, the greatest active sports star in the world and at least the second best of all time coming off the greatest set of results ever.
As well as being the world's second greatest Slovenian.
Behind, obviously, noted Marxist philosopher Slavoj Zizek.
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I would watch BBC Marxist Philosopher Of The Year.
Mind you, they'd probably give it to Farage.
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I’m not anti woke or anything but some of these picks seem to be ticking the boxes.
In what way? Olympics years always throw up massive Olympics performances, and all bar Clark dominated at the Olympics and their own disciplines throughout the year. Clark has dominated her sport as well, but it isn't really on an international stage like the rest.
Although I do agree with you on Podacar though.
A gold and 2 bronzes doesn't shout worlds greatest sports person to me.
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I would watch BBC Marxist Philosopher Of The Year.
Mind you, they'd probably give it to Farage.
They'd probably give it to James O'Brien. With Jonathan Pie runner up.
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How in the name of all that is holy, does Tadej Podacar not even get on the nominations list for world sports star. He is, in all likelihood, the greatest active sports star in the world and at least the second best of all time coming off the greatest set of results ever.
As well as being the world's second greatest Slovenian.
Behind, obviously, noted Marxist philosopher Slavoj Zizek.
I was thinking more of Micky Dolenz, Marxist philosophers aren't really my area of expertise.
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How in the name of all that is holy, does Tadej Podacar not even get on the nominations list for world sports star. He is, in all likelihood, the greatest active sports star in the world and at least the second best of all time coming off the greatest set of results ever.
As well as being the world's second greatest Slovenian.
Behind, obviously, noted Marxist philosopher Slavoj Zizek.
I was thinking more of Micky Dolenz, Marxist philosophers aren't really my area of expertise.
I assumed you meant Mrs. Trump.
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I’m not anti woke or anything but some of these picks seem to be ticking the boxes.
In what way? Olympics years always throw up massive Olympics performances, and all bar Clark dominated at the Olympics and their own disciplines throughout the year. Clark has dominated her sport as well, but it isn't really on an international stage like the rest.
Although I do agree with you on Podacar though.
A gold and 2 bronzes doesn't shout worlds greatest sports person to me.
So being the first person since 1952 of any sex to run and medal in the 5k,10k and the marathon, and setting an OR in the latter with a massive sprint finish doesn't deserve it?
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No, by any stretch.
Third place in a few events? Not even the best runner up. Time 2 hours 22 minutes significantly slower than Ruth Chepngetich in Chicago (under 2 hours 10) and a world record.
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So the first person of any gender in 72 years to get a medal in all the long distance events in one Olympics is not an accomplishment at all, because in two of the events she came third in the World? Then winning Gold in the marathon, beating the then WR holder by out-sprinting her at the end (someone who specialises in the distance only and hadn't run any other event at the Olympics) is nothing, because someone else got a world record a few months later?
I will just point out the IAAF has named her Women's Athlete of the Year for her accomplishments, and no it isn't because she sometimes wears a head scarf.
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Agree to disagree.
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No, by any stretch.
Third place in a few events? Not even the best runner up. Time 2 hours 22 minutes significantly slower than Ruth Chepngetich in Chicago (under 2 hours 10) and a world record.
The Paris marathon course was ridiculous though, with some severe hills, and run in 30 degree heat. Chicago by comparison, is almost completely flat and run in October, with the average temperature about 10 degrees. The difference between 5K and marathon in terms of how you run them is vast, so it's a fantastic achievement.
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Well I disagree on your veiled "ticking the boxes" comment used in your OP, because you happened to see she was wearing a head scarf in the SPOTY picture.
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its not a masive deal anymore (I gave up when they awarded it to Giggs). If it did matter and Id broken the marathon world record I would be annoyed the olympics winner was chosen ahead of me. The bronzes show shes not the best in those different events.
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The Paris marathon course was ridiculous though, with some severe hills, and run in 30 degree heat. Chicago by comparison, is almost completely flat and run in October, with the average temperature about 10 degrees. The difference between 5K and marathon in terms of how you run them is vast, so it's a fantastic achievement.
Thanks Risso for your knowledge of the courses. I knew temperature would be one of the major differences between the two, didn't know topography though.
I will put her other finishes here.
5k, where she was 8th leading into the final lap.
7th in the last lap of the 10k (which was less then 36 hours before the Marathon started)
Obviously Chebet won gold in both so also could have had a shout in the world SPOTY, but as Hassan had done that feat 4 years ago, it wasn't unique. I will also mention she took up competitive Marathon only last year, where she won the London one on her debut. (And did 2h:13m on the Chicago one in 2023).
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Hang on, a runner won 2 golds beating Hassan in both, but one gold Hassan gets the nod. Righto.
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Hang on, a runner won 2 golds beating Hassan in both, but one gold Hassan gets the nod. Righto.
Yes she did, repeating the same feat Hassan has already done 3 years ago. But as they didn't have Hassan in then, they obviously don't think winning gold in two disciplines at the same Olympics is worthy being as lots of people do that every four years. Also Chebet doesn't "box tick" with a head scarf does she?
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Cav won’t get nominated because the bbc don’t have rights to any cycling footage. Even Bellingham they have some rights to show
Cav and Murray are probably Britain’s greatest two recent sports people…bet they don’t get equality regarding the length of career tributes in the show
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Hang on, a runner won 2 golds beating Hassan in both, but one gold Hassan gets the nod. Righto.
Yes she did, repeating the same feat Hassan has already done 3 years ago. But as they didn't have Hassan in then, they obviously don't think winning gold in two disciplines at the same Olympics is worthy being as lots of people do that every four years. Also Chebet doesn't "box tick" with a head scarf does she?
Fair point. If winning two golds isn’t worthy then one gold is less worthy. It’s basic maths.
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Trying anything to avoid being called a racist fuck Lovejoy. Keep at it.
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Trying anything to avoid being called a racist fuck Lovejoy. Keep at it.
You're welcome to personally believe whatever you like regarding his motivations and reasoning, but if those beliefs start tripping over into personal insults please keep those beliefs to yourself.
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"Ticking Boxes" and "DEI hire" are just people showing they are racist without coming out fully.
So until Lovejoy does actually come out and explain his original line, surely it is a description rather then a personal insult? Especially when he has gone round and round trying to justify why the woman pictured in a head scarf doesn't deserve to be in the list, you know the worlds best female athlete in 2024 as judged by the IAAF.
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My final post on this thread.
I've explained in many posts why I don't think a single gold is sufficient to get a nomination here compared to a world class cyclist, which was my original post. I've never mentioned DEI hire so not sure where that quote has come from - is it made up? It is a fact that each nomination covers all genders and ethnicity, each have been covered. I was actually advocating two golds being better than one. If thinking Podgacar should have been nominated over a single gold makes me a "racist fuck" in your view then so be it.
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I'm absolutely amazed that anyone gives enough of a shit about this to argue, I think I stopped being in any way interested in about 1987.
Awards ceremonies are toss.
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I'm with Somnioquism on the above though, I thought it was a brilliant achievement and a stunning display of running ability.
I really don't get the nomination for the young lass who's the college basketball player though. Surely that's as ridiculously niche as it's possible to get?
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Clark isn't just a college basketball player though. The start of the year she was still playing college basketball, (and setting records there). But she signed professional in April / May. As a rookie, she is dominating as well setting lots of records in her debut season. However I do agree that it is still a niche sport compared to the others competing on world stages, and the BBC don't broadcast WNBA so it doesn't seem to be that either.
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I'm with Somnioquism on the above though, I thought it was a brilliant achievement and a stunning display of running ability.
I'd still give the award to Armand Duplantis though.
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Luke Littler named as the top trending athlete of 2024 on UK Google. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c708eewdll0o
Third overall, with only the Princes of Wales and President elect Trump ahead of him.
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Clark isn't just a college basketball player though. The start of the year she was still playing college basketball, (and setting records there). But she signed professional in April / May. As a rookie, she is dominating as well setting lots of records in her debut season. However I do agree that it is still a niche sport compared to the others competing on world stages, and the BBC don't broadcast WNBA so it doesn't seem to be that either.
I'm sure we've had the "name a famous basketball player" Family Fortunes question chat recently. However few there are, it's infinitely more than any women's basketball player or team I reckon. I mean, I guess she's probably very good at basketball, but so what? Why not go for an ice hockey or baseball player, or a speed skater if they're going to go ultra-obscure?
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Clark isn't just a college basketball player though. The start of the year she was still playing college basketball, (and setting records there). But she signed professional in April / May. As a rookie, she is dominating as well setting lots of records in her debut season. However I do agree that it is still a niche sport compared to the others competing on world stages, and the BBC don't broadcast WNBA so it doesn't seem to be that either.
I'm sure we've had the "name a famous basketball player" Family Fortunes question chat recently. However few there are, it's infinitely more than any women's basketball player or team I reckon. I mean, I guess she's probably very good at basketball, but so what? Why not go for an ice hockey or baseball player, or a speed skater if they're going to go ultra-obscure?
Probably because they spend a lot of time online.
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Clark isn't just a college basketball player though. The start of the year she was still playing college basketball, (and setting records there). But she signed professional in April / May. As a rookie, she is dominating as well setting lots of records in her debut season. However I do agree that it is still a niche sport compared to the others competing on world stages, and the BBC don't broadcast WNBA so it doesn't seem to be that either.
I'm sure we've had the "name a famous basketball player" Family Fortunes question chat recently. However few there are, it's infinitely more than any women's basketball player or team I reckon. I mean, I guess she's probably very good at basketball, but so what? Why not go for an ice hockey or baseball player, or a speed skater if they're going to go ultra-obscure?
I thought I was agreeing with you that the choice was strange, but I was only adding she isn't a college player anymore.
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I'm absolutely amazed that anyone gives enough of a shit about this to argue, I think I stopped being in any way interested in about 1987.
Awards ceremonies are toss.
Its sole purpose these days seems to be to give people the opportunity for a good old moan.
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What I find a bit odd about the complaints is that this year more than most I think it's really hard to argue about the inclusion of anyone. Bellingham is the most contentious but he did have a superb season with Real and the options to replace him are pretty thin after Cavendish who is much more suited for the lifetime achievement award that he should be guaranteed. The international ones are harder because it becomes such a broad category that you could have 100 options and there'd still be people missing.
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I bet Jon Crofts thinks a cyclist should win. It's a Christmas tradition.
Anyway Hodgkinson will win.
Cavendish should win it.
There, Christmas is officially here.
*SPOTY is bollocks and has been for decades
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Clark isn't just a college basketball player though. The start of the year she was still playing college basketball, (and setting records there). But she signed professional in April / May. As a rookie, she is dominating as well setting lots of records in her debut season. However I do agree that it is still a niche sport compared to the others competing on world stages, and the BBC don't broadcast WNBA so it doesn't seem to be that either.
I'm sure we've had the "name a famous basketball player" Family Fortunes question chat recently. However few there are, it's infinitely more than any women's basketball player or team I reckon. I mean, I guess she's probably very good at basketball, but so what? Why not go for an ice hockey or baseball player, or a speed skater if they're going to go ultra-obscure?
I thought I was agreeing with you that the choice was strange, but I was only adding she isn't a college player anymore.
I wasn't disagreeing, just expanding on the point that it's a truly bizarre choice.
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I bet Jon Crofts thinks a cyclist should win. It's a Christmas tradition.
Anyway Hodgkinson will win.
Cavendish should win it.
There, Christmas is officially here.
*SPOTY is bollocks and has been for decades
🙂
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I know there has been multiple winners, just stating it is nice to have a list of non-winners as it is not like he hasn't won it in the past for his tremendous feats in 2011. As for the length of time. The only big thing Cav did in the sport in 2024 was win the 1 stage needed, (which was tremendous at his age and the capstone to the feat).
As for Root, yes, they have mentioned his long term feats, but this year he also has 6 centuries for England and is classed as the best Test batsman in the world (again). So I do think he has more of a claim then Mark, who I suspect might get an honour award anyway.
Cavendish wins BBC Lifetime Achievement award (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/articles/c0475w65054o)
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Sounds about right. I don't think Cavendish has done anything more special than in previous years. If a cyclist is going to win based solely on achievements in 2024, then it should be Tom Pidcock.
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It has to be Keely, if not it’s rigged.
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It has to be Keely, if not it’s rigged.
Just as well she can run quicker than Jenny Meadows can finish an answer.
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She normally interviews well Jenny Meadows, but I don't think Gabby got the answer she was after. I think she was looking for the usual Keely gets a pretty free rein answer, because "a happy Keely is a fast Keely"
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Sarah Storey's definitely punching below her weight.
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Thought the whole Bellingham "Birmingham" thing was nauseating. Noses clinging to a vicarious claim to glory.
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Not sure why Bellingham was even a candidate?
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Not sure why Bellingham was even a candidate?
His mother had a word.
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Well done Keely
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Thought the whole Bellingham "Birmingham" thing was nauseating. Noses clinging to a vicarious claim to glory.
It was, made even worse by the bloke in the England shirt boorishly shouting "Jude, Jude, Jude."
It's been a few years since I've seen it but my God the show was dreadful (apart from the 'In Memoriam' section). The Strictly segment, two Gladiators presenting a sports award (and she gets the winner's name wrong), and who thought we don't have enough Fred Sirieix on our screens. From the start, the whole thing just felt poorly produced and awkward, with more unauthentic, forced joy than a Kamala Harris rally.
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Yep, very well deserved.
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Would have preferred Yee to win it. We don't have many British athletes who hold Commonwealth and Olympic Golds along with the World Championship at the same time. But Hodgkinson would have been second choice.
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I'm absolutely amazed that anyone gives enough of a shit about this to argue, I think I stopped being in any way interested in about 1987.
Awards ceremonies are toss.
I'm afraid I feel the urge to agree. Why the fuck did I start reading this thread though? Why the fuck did you start reading this thread?
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Not sure why Bellingham was even a candidate?
Arguably the star player in a European Cup winning team, who played a part as England had their joint best tournament in 58 years doesn't sound that mad. Not that he should have won, but being nominated is fair enough.
Owen won it for scoring one goal as England were knocked out by the first vaguely competent opposition they faced, Gazza won it for one assist and crying after picking up a trademark stupid booking and Beckham won it for scoring a goal in a draw in a qualifying game, while Giggs won it for... errm... nobody knows.
Bellingham was a far better candidate than any of them.
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And the reason Jude didn't win. https://x.com/chris_skudder/status/1869110748502458750
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I didn't watch but apparently there were rather a lot of women involved which seems to have enraged our Gammon friends including one of the most prominently glazed one of all, J. Barton.
Good work BBC.
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I'm absolutely amazed that anyone gives enough of a shit about this to argue, I think I stopped being in any way interested in about 1987.
Awards ceremonies are toss.
I'm afraid I feel the urge to agree. Why the fuck did I start reading this thread though? Why the fuck did you start reading this thread?
It was the most active at the time and I was bored, which I guess is probably the same for you?
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Even if you've no interest in a thread, it's sometimes worth checking it out if it's popular to see if there's any good arguments on the go.
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Not sure why Bellingham was even a candidate?
Arguably the star player in a European Cup winning team, who played a part as England had their joint best tournament in 58 years doesn't sound that mad. Not that he should have won, but being nominated is fair enough.
Owen won it for scoring one goal as England were knocked out by the first vaguely competent opposition they faced, Gazza won it for one assist and crying after picking up a trademark stupid booking and Beckham won it for scoring a goal in a draw in a qualifying game, while Giggs won it for... errm... nobody knows.
Bellingham was a far better candidate than any of them.
In that case Ollie should have been on the short list for his magnificent last minute decider.
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He was certainly more deserving than Owen, Beckham, Gascoigne or Giggs. Taking into account club form, significantly less deserving than Bellingham.