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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Smirker on November 28, 2024, 09:30:15 PM
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Sunday, 1:30pm kick-off.
Time to win.
Chelsea are punching above their weight and we are underperforming.
The turnaround starts here.
3-0 Villa.
FTF
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--------- Martinez----------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Kamara & Onana ---
McGinn ----------- Tielemans
--- Watkins & Bailey -------
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Attwell the Cov supporter is reffing us again!
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I have zero optimism for this one
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Feeling strangely confident for this one. Think we'll get a result but it'll most likely be a draw.
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--------- Martinez----------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Kamara & Onana ---
McGinn ----------- Tielemans
--- Watkins & Bailey -------
Mings isn’t starting ahead of Torres and nor should he.
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We could really do without this game.
I fear a tonking.
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Anyone recommend an away pub please?
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Torres and Rogers need a breather . Mings takes care of Jacko .
I'd sit McGinn onto Palmer as a strategic move this game .
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Father in law is a mouthy Chavski supporter who's highly confident that they're going to be in the Champions league next year. I fear he's going to be celebrating on Sunday evening.
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Is JJ still out?
we need him back soon as Rogers needs benching.
Think if onana comes in with kamara then push Youri forward.
fancy a 1 0 to us .
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Torres and Rogers need a breather . Mings takes care of Jacko .
I'd sit McGinn onto Palmer as a strategic move this game .
Agree re Rogers. Torres did as well as ever last night
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It doesn't seem that long ago when we were playing at the top of our game and I believed we could beat anyone. The spark has gone, and when I look at Chelsea they are quicker and playing above themselves, I hope more than I believe.
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Torres and Rogers need a breather . Mings takes care of Jacko .
I'd sit McGinn onto Palmer as a strategic move this game .
Agree re Rogers. Torres did as well as ever last night
Indeed, that Torres point is illustrative of personal bias.
This will be really tough, Chelsea have the players to cause us plenty of problems at our best. It’s really important we’re clinical with chances and we get something here.
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Anyone recommend an away pub please?
Id recommend drinking someone outside there as its bloody expensive round there then get train in.
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Is this another must-win game?
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Unfortunately, there is no world in which I see us getting anything form this game and even less chance of a clean sheet. We aren't the same side as last season and, sadly, neither are they.
3-1 to Chelsea, followed by 2 must win home games.
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Unfortunately, there is no world in which I see us getting anything form this game and even less chance of a clean sheet. We aren't the same side as last season and, sadly, neither are they.
3-1 to Chelsea, followed by 2 must win home games.
I'd go along with that. The slight hope we have is that the defence looked better on Wednesday, especially with the return of Bouba, but other than Conceicao, Juventus didn't have any actual forwards. Chelsea have no such issues and I fear this won't be pretty. 4-0 Chelsea.
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Unfortunately, there is no world in which I see us getting anything form this game and even less chance of a clean sheet. We aren't the same side as last season and, sadly, neither are they.
3-1 to Chelsea, followed by 2 must win home games.
I'd go along with that. The slight hope we have is that the defence looked better on Wednesday, especially with the return of Bouba, but other than Conceicao, Juventus didn't have any actual forwards. Chelsea have no such issues and I fear this won't be pretty. 4-0 Chelsea.
Chelsea may have better attackers, but then they wont setup in a mad 2-7-2 formation either and there may actually be some space to work in.
The key is we approach it the same way we did against Bayern and Juve and keep things water tight at the back and go from there. These twats aren't as good as Liverpool and we should have got something there were it not for the brain farts.
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Bad, or in our case, poor and underwhelming runs always come to an end at some point. Most people would point to Weds and the visit of Brentford for ours. After all, we're up against a Chelsea team who are bang in form, and some peoples dark horses for a title challenge. But football is rarely predictable and where the small slices of luck go against, when the passes are over or under hit, when the loose ball consistently drops for your opponents, these things are cyclical and eventually turn. Couple these with the signs that we look slightly more cohesive, even if we appear over cautious and you have the recipe for a victory that is well overdue.
I'd like to see Mings or Konsa return alongside Torres, Morgan given a rest and if he's fit Onana alongside Kamara. Solidity, invention and bravery will see us home in a very tight game.
0-1
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Martinez
Cash, Konsa, Mings, Digne
Kamara, Barkley
Bailey, Tielemans, McGinn
Watkins
Going to struggle to retain possession with the form Chelsea are in. Rogers for me has to drop out and Konsa will return for Carlos. Think it's the ideal game to bring Mings in to mark Jackson. Performance was much better during the week, if Emery picks the right team I think we can pick up another point.
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2-0
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Martinez
Cash, Konsa, Mings, Digne
Kamara, Barkley
Bailey, Tielemans, McGinn
Watkins
Going to struggle to retain possession with the form Chelsea are in. Rogers for me has to drop out and Konsa will return for Carlos. Think it's the ideal game to bring Mings in to mark Jackson. Performance was much better during the week, if Emery picks the right team I think we can pick up another point.
Barkley as a defensive pivot? swap him with SJM or Tielemans.
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Martinez
Cash, Konsa, Mings, Digne
Kamara, Barkley
Bailey, Tielemans, McGinn
Watkins
Going to struggle to retain possession with the form Chelsea are in. Rogers for me has to drop out and Konsa will return for Carlos. Think it's the ideal game to bring Mings in to mark Jackson. Performance was much better during the week, if Emery picks the right team I think we can pick up another point.
Barkley as a defensive pivot? swap him with SJM or Tielemans.
He's better there than further forward and it's where he's played all season.
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But football is rarely predictable
I'd have to disagree there. Football definitely throws up shock results, but generally it's about as predictable as can be.
One look at the final tables across European leagues over the last decade will show you that.
It's the reason why the same small group of clubs win almost all the trophies.
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If we are able to defend then we are capable of going and winning.
If we defend as we have been recently in league we will get spanked.
Its which one turns up
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Martinez
Cash, Konsa, Mings, Digne
Kamara, Barkley
Bailey, Tielemans, McGinn
Watkins
Going to struggle to retain possession with the form Chelsea are in. Rogers for me has to drop out and Konsa will return for Carlos. Think it's the ideal game to bring Mings in to mark Jackson. Performance was much better during the week, if Emery picks the right team I think we can pick up another point.
Barkley as a defensive pivot? swap him with SJM or Tielemans.
He's better there than further forward and it's where he's played all season.
All season? He has been a sub most appearances and when starting in that position against Palace he was pretty average at best.
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Palace ran through a midfield of Barkley and Tielemans last week. Neither have the discipline of Kamara nor Onana.
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From Chris Sutton's predictions:
"I am backing Chelsea to take this one. They were too strong for Leicester last weekend and while Cole Palmer did not deliver, Nicolas Jackson keeps on scoring and looks like a different player compared to last season"
Now I know it's a bit thowaway but this really pissed me off. They were too strong for Leicester, yes, a newly promoted team, but it's written as though they will inevitably be too strong for us because we're comaprable to Leicester and not a team that's finished above Chelsea the last two seasons and won there in our last two league games.
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This will be totally different to the Juve game as Chelsea have some strikers and will attack us . Might suit our counter game but we need to pick a defence that can defend resiliently so thats Konsa/Mings reunited in the middle . Somebody needs to man mark Palmer , is NRC available .
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Palace ran through a midfield of Barkley and Tielemans last week. Neither have the discipline of Kamara nor Onana.
They won't run through Kamara. Tielemans was fortunate he wasn't hooked at half time the other night. Two fouls after his yellow card.
If Onana is fully fit then sure maybe stick him in but think Barkley has been ok recently.
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2-3. Come on you lot, have some hope!
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Will Onana or Ramsey be fit for this?
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Will Onana or Ramsey be fit for this?
Onana possibly, but I’d be surprised.
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Just had a look at the weekends fixtures and the teams around us all have very winnable (and in most case very easy) games.
We could easily be in the bottom half after this game. Behind even Brentford, who we play on Wednesday.
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Will Onana or Ramsey be fit for this?
Onana possibly, but I’d be surprised.
Yeah, I don't think he'll be risked.
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Just had a look at the weekends fixtures and the teams around us all have very winnable (and in most case very easy) games.
We could easily be in the bottom half after this game. Behind even Brentford, who we play on Wednesday.
And if that happens, so what? I'm not trying to pick an argument. I think we need to relax a bit - there is loads of time left in the season and we will go on a run soon that will keep us competitive for the European places. Who knows which competition though!
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Nah, Emery gone if we get below 10th. We don't do that any more.
(This isn't entirely serious)
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Just had a look at the weekends fixtures and the teams around us all have very winnable (and in most case very easy) games.
We could easily be in the bottom half after this game. Behind even Brentford, who we play on Wednesday.
Finally, we'll have achieved what I am starting to think a number of us masochistically want.
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If there's no planet on which you can envisage us beating a side like Chelsea, then being below Brentford is a natural continuation of your state of mind.
It's not enough to (not actually) be shit (at all), but to contrive and contort to make things...oh just the worst with that projection. Its like Beyond Good and Evil for football, but they've been staring enough at midtable, that midtable has gazed back into them. And don't we just benefit from it, right chaps?!
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Just had a look at the weekends fixtures and the teams around us all have very winnable (and in most case very easy) games.
We could easily be in the bottom half after this game. Behind even Brentford, who we play on Wednesday.
Always worth looking at the positives, your doing well keep going.
We’ve had a dodgy few weeks, but we are three points, that is three points behind these world beaters ffs.
3-1 us, Watkins, Bailey, Tielemans
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On the positive I think we are much better defensively with McGinn playing just behind Watkins because he works so hard, Bailey is coming into form now i reckon ( the turning point was hitting the post against Palace), Carlos played well on Wednesday so I can see Konsa coming into form at right back, Watkins is due a goal and contributing a lot.
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Kamara will make a huge difference. We need Ramsey back asap
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Chelsea look decent but they are not infallible. I have a bit more confidence after Wednesday as I hope we have turned the corner. Don't concede first and we have a chance.
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Just had a look at the weekends fixtures and the teams around us all have very winnable (and in most case very easy) games.
We could easily be in the bottom half after this game. Behind even Brentford, who we play on Wednesday.
Any chance you could type in a Mexican accent? Those lads always sound untroubled and upbeat.
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On the positive I think we are much better defensively with McGinn playing just behind Watkins because he works so hard, Bailey is coming into form now i reckon ( the turning point was hitting the post against Palace), Carlos played well on Wednesday so I can see Konsa coming into form at right back, Watkins is due a goal and contributing a lot.
It does feel like we’re turning a corner a bit. But this is a really tough game. We need a fully fit and firing Onana back, if we could get him and Kamara playing regularly it’d make a big difference.
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I think the key will be if Ollie takes his chances. If he takes one or even two I’d fancy us to keep it tight.
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We usually do ok here. 1-1. Worth 10 on the win and 5 on the draw saver, I feel
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Just had a look at the weekends fixtures and the teams around us all have very winnable (and in most case very easy) games.
We could easily be in the bottom half after this game. Behind even Brentford, who we play on Wednesday.
Any chance you could type in a Mexican accent? Those lads always sound untroubled and upbeat.
I'm baffled by people's negativity sometimes.
If you want to predict every result will go against us then fine I suppose.
There is absolutely no point in worrying about this.
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A statement win is possible but a draw acceptable. Onwards and upwards!
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Form is like the stock market it doesn't keep going up, at some time it hits a few bumps and drops a little. We will stengthen by one or two in January, not saying top four but top six at least.
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If Bailey can get his game together he can terrorise side show Bob down that right channel
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Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
McGinn
Onana
Kamara
Bailey
Tielemans
Watkins
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Yep konsa needs to come back in for me
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3 Prem games in a week so we will probably see Mings and Buendia back in the fold at some point .
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3 Prem games in a week so we will probably see Mings and Buendia back in the fold at some point .
Could see mings getting some more game we will need rotation over the next few weeks
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Given the physicality of Jackson through the middle i'd bring Mings back in this one
-------- Martinez --------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
-- Kamara - Onana ----
McGinn ----------- Tielemans
--- Watkins -- Bailey ----
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If we play well 1-1, if we don’t 4-0.
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3 Prem games in a week so we will probably see Mings and Buendia back in the fold at some point .
I really don't think Buendia is in Emery's plans.
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3 Prem games in a week so we will probably see Mings and Buendia back in the fold at some point .
I really don't think Buendia is in Emery's plans.
I think so too. He wi be offski in summer of not janaury
Think we have moved on from him now
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3-1 Chelsea. They're looking good right now and us, not so much.
Hoping that I'm big-time wrong though.
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3 Prem games in a week so we will probably see Mings and Buendia back in the fold at some point .
I really don't think Buendia is in Emery's plans.
He's going to have to be , think it's just match fitness. With games coming thick and fast he'll be playing his part in my opinion
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I think Buendia is about on a par with somebody like Traore last season, in Emery's thinking. Thrown on if there's absolutely nobody else.
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I think that we wil lose tomorrow, so we will have to win the next 2 or 3 to keep in touch with the pack.
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Until we can learn to defend properly we will continue to struggle in mid table , even Brentford doesn't look a comfortable fixture now
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Until we can learn to defend properly we will continue to struggle in mid table , even Brentford doesn't look a comfortable fixture now
When has Brentford ever been a comfortable game for us, apart from the game after Stevie G got the tin tac
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Until we can learn to defend properly we will continue to struggle in mid table , even Brentford doesn't look a comfortable fixture now
When has Brentford ever been a comfortable game for us, apart from the game after Stevie G got the tin tac
True , it's normally a horrible niggly game against a thuggish team
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We are going to have to up our level a fair bit to win this.
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Who was the ex-Villan who crocked another in Chelsea colours, Dorigo on Elliott ? And what was number one at the time? I'll give a random guess of Chesney Hawkes.
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For random reasons, went to the Chelsea v Brighton game a few weeks back. They looked really vulnerable defensively, you could get to their back 4 really easily. Like a basketball game. Their goalkeeper is not all that. Slightly optimistic on that evidence. 4-1 Chelsea then.
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Who was the ex-Villan who crocked another in Chelsea colours, Dorigo on Elliott ? And what was number one at the time? I'll give a random guess of Chesney Hawkes.
Dean Saunders I think. Almost went to court . Horrific challenge
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Fuck it, I'm feeling weirdly optimistic. I reckon we'll win this.
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Who was the ex-Villan who crocked another in Chelsea colours, Dorigo on Elliott ? And what was number one at the time? I'll give a random guess of Chesney Hawkes.
Dean Saunders I think. Almost went to court . Horrific challenge
He didn't play for Villa when he made the challenge but he did when it went to court
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In a wikihole following the Paul Elliot story I found out Ruchard Rufus, formerly of Charlton, is a convicted fraudster. Who knew?
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Who was the ex-Villan who crocked another in Chelsea colours, Dorigo on Elliott ? And what was number one at the time? I'll give a random guess of Chesney Hawkes.
Dean Saunders I think. Almost went to court . Horrific challenge
He didn't play for Villa when he made the challenge but he did when it went to court
Saunders was playing for Liverpool at the time not that it has anything to do with the question asked.
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Emery has mentioned having best players available for this, or words to that effect. Not sure if Onana passes his fitness test, if he does I think he’ll be on the bench.
I think the team will be
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
Kamara
Tielemans
Rogers
Watkins
McGinn
Bailey
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Elliott v Saunders and Liverpool Football Club did go to court. Elliott lost because the Judge found that Saunders was trying to play the ball.
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I fear a real pasting today which is the old pessimism creeping back. For two years I’ve felt we could beat anyone but I just can’t see it today. 1-3
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Elliott v Saunders and Liverpool Football Club did go to court. Elliott lost because the Judge found that Saunders was trying to play the ball.
I seem to remember it that both players were launching into the ball but Elliot got there first, and thus Saunders hit him and not the ball.
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Can’t see anything other than a sound beating here today sadly. Hope I’m wrong.
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I fear a real pasting today which is the old pessimism creeping back. For two years I’ve felt we could beat anyone but I just can’t see it today. 1-3
I'd take 1-3. Though I'd prefer a clean sheet.
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Who was the ex-Villan who crocked another in Chelsea colours, Dorigo on Elliott ? And what was number one at the time? I'll give a random guess of Chesney Hawkes.
At the time of the injury it was The Shamen. At the time of the court case it was Wet Wet Wet.
As an aside and with the Cup draw later, Lonnie Donegan when we last won it.
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Ha, cheers Sir. Just the random contextual popular cultural shite I appreciate.
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Elliott v Saunders and Liverpool Football Club did go to court. Elliott lost because the Judge found that Saunders was trying to play the ball.
I seem to remember it that both players were launching into the ball but Elliot got there first, and thus Saunders hit him and not the ball.
Was it not VAR'd by the dickheads at Stockley Park?
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Grim day weather wise , plenty of gloves out there later
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Always hoping for the best but our current inability to win games has sucked the joy and optimism out of match days. 3-1 Chelsea.
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Grim day weather wise , plenty of gloves out there later
It's damp and murky, but not cold.
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I fancy us for a score draw. 1-1 or 2-2. Ollie to be on the scoresheet and big Emi showing everyone why he's the best in the business.
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If we get anything on this, based on recent form, we’ll have done well.
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This game is a write-off, I'm afraid (3-1 to them) :'(
Thinking about the next 2 home games now. Surely we can beat Brentford and/or Southampton? Surely?
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We are sometimes better as underdogs , played at well at Liverpool for example . We need to defend our own corners better today
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This game is a write-off, I'm afraid (3-1 to them) :'(
Thinking about the next 2 home games now. Surely we can beat Brentford and/or Southampton? Surely?
Why is it a write off? You'd think we were playing Brazil' 70 with our team from 86-87 the way some people are going on.
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We havent beaten any of the tops sides this season- lets hope that changes today
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While Chelsea are a good side, with lots of options, they are certainly not the world beating team some would make out. Likewise we are not as bad a side or in as much of a downturn as the results might suggest to the lazy.
Tightening up at the back & a bit more composure in the last third & we'd be in the top 3.
But today I think we'll be battered....
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While Chelsea are a good side, with lots of options, they are certainly not the world beating team some would make out. Likewise we are not as bad a side or in as much of a downturn as the results might suggest to the lazy.
Tightening up at the back & a bit more composure in the last third & we'd be in the top 3.
But today I think we'll be battered....
Chelsea didnt even look half decent last year but at villa park they completely tore us apart in the cup and the second half. We were lucky we didnt lose the league game tbh
They do look vulnerable at the back so its if unai decides to go more aggressive than what we have a majority of the season.
Keeping palmer quiet is the key
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Philogene starts Bailey on the bench. Still no Onana.
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Philogene starts Bailey on the bench. Still no Onana.
Thats a big call that. A wake up call for bailey
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Philogene starts Bailey on the bench. Still no Onana.
Philogene to have a Bayern game again then - hopefully as he hasnt impressed aside of being ok in that game.
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I think the key will be if Ollie takes his chances. If he takes one or even two I’d fancy us to keep it tight.
cant keep missing sitters , its not too bad if the goalie makes a worldie but that was a crap finish just like arsenal and spurs before , these are costing us.