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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on November 19, 2024, 09:42:23 AM
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Saturday at 3pm.
Must win game. We have injuries but so do they. Nervy 2-1.
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Have to win, will win. May well be tighter than we'd like.
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Hopefully ezes still out but we need to right that cup game
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Christ only knows what team we'll be able to put out. I'd guess it'll be something like:
Martinez (if not too jet lagged)
Cash (hopefully fit) Konsa (if fit) Mings (Torres if fit) Digne
Bailey Tielemans (if fit) Barkley (if fit) McGinn
Rogers Watkins
Lots of unknowns in there with injuries, hopefully Konsa and Torres were more precautionary than anything. But basically we've got no fit or in form options on either attacking flank, which is a bit 'sub optimal'.
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Maybe put Maatsen in instead of McGinn. Just so he and Digne can get in each other's way a bit.
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is Barkley injured aswell ?
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is Barkley injured aswell ?
I think they said he would be back after internationals
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bloody internationals
Bailey flying back from USA too , no idea what he is going to be like.
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is Barkley injured aswell ?
I think they said he would be back after internationals
In March.
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At this point, getting 11 on the pitch is a pretty good result. Would like Cash and Barkley to be fit so we can at least put something resembling a decent side out. Rickon Watkins will grab a couple, he due to go on one of his runs....
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I reckon Tielemans will be fine. So while it's not ideal, a midfield base of him and McGinn was good enough to win at Arsenal last season.
Rogers and two of Philogene, Bailey and Buendia behind Watkins. Back to winning ways.
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Rickon Watkins
new signing ?
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Hi
I have 2 adult tickets (£58 each) in Trinity Road , i cant get there as ive damaged ankle ligaments and cant walk, wife wont go alone lol..
Anyone interested PM me
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Bailey flying back from USA too , no idea what he is going to be like.
I can hazard a very good guess.
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0-2
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bloody internationals
Bailey flying back from USA too , no idea what he is going to be like.
Any chance of him flying down the wing for us in the near future?
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Hi
I have 2 adult tickets (£58 each) in Trinity Road , i cant get there as ive damaged ankle ligaments and cant walk, wife wont go alone lol..
Anyone interested PM me
So you're asking someone to take your Mrs Up the Villa?
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Need to win this one.
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Villa 0 Crystal Palace 1 (goals)
Villa 8 Crystal Palace 0 (injuries)
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Hi
I have 2 adult tickets (£58 each) in Trinity Road , i cant get there as ive damaged ankle ligaments and cant walk, wife wont go alone lol..
Anyone interested PM me
So you're asking someone to take your Mrs Up the Villa?
Is that a euphemism?..... no both tickets are available
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Nobody knows but most historians seem to think we were probably founded on 21 November 1874, so unless I'm missing something there doesn't appear to be any plans to celebrate the 150 years on Saturday, so it looks like they are probably gonna to it at the end of the season. I have checked and we celebrated our 140th Anniversary on 24 Nov 2014, I remember it was a match Sky moved to a Monday night.
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bloody internationals
Bailey flying back from USA too , no idea what he is going to be like.
Any chance of him flying down the wing for us in the near future?
I thought Bailey had retired himself from Jamaica games.
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He decided to go back after talks with Schteve.
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The evidence for Villa being founded on 21st November is somewhere between flimsy and non-existant. It's not a good anniversary for Brummies and I'd rather not "celebrate" it.
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Bailey flying back from USA too , no idea what he is going to be like.
He'll have been on the 'mannish water' for the past week, he's bound to score.
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Nobody knows but most historians seem to think we were probably founded on 21 November 1874, so unless I'm missing something there doesn't appear to be any plans to celebrate the 150 years on Saturday, so it looks like they are probably gonna to it at the end of the season. I have checked and we celebrated our 140th Anniversary on 24 Nov 2014, I remember it was a match Sky moved to a Monday night.
Most historians who've researched the subject say that date was highly unlikely.
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What did our "very knowledgeable" ex-club historian chip in with for the founding date?
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I don't think he did, if you mean John Lerwill. It was Trevor Fisher who came up with 21st November IIRC.
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He decided to go back after talks with Schteve.
The thought of Steve speaking in a Jamaican accent now... "Mi wan' you Leon"
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The football calendar/scheduling is a joke. Martinez will be finishing his game around 2am on Thursday morning our time and it's a 13 hour or so flight back to the UK.
Anyway we'll beat Palace but only narrowly, 2 1 - Watkins and Rogers.
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2am Wednesday morning.
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Emery down to bare bones which seems to suit him better , 3-0 home win this , get your house on it .
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2am Wednesday morning.
Makes it a little better, thanks mate.
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2am Wednesday morning.
Makes it a little better, thanks mate.
No worries, I think the last international matches are usually Tuesday night (so Wednesday morning our time in the Americas). They did have a few on Wednesday night but that's when they were squeezing in three games rather than two to make up for postponements during Covid.
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Bailey flying back from USA too , no idea what he is going to be like.
He'll have been on the 'mannish water' for the past week, he's bound to score.
Ideally Leon 2023/24 returns not Bailey 2.0
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Looks like Cash and Torres are fit.
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Looks like Cash and Torres are fit.
Yep and fair play to Digne who played the whole game for France in Milan on Sunday night and was in training this morning.
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Emery down to bare bones which seems to suit him better , 3-0 home win this , get your house on it .
I agree, 3-0, Watkins, Rogers, Bailey
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What looks a straightforward fixture feels less than straightforward given our recent form and latest injuries. The extent of the latter will dictate confidence among the support but in stark comparison to the Cup fixture, the Manager will be absolutely focussed on getting the win and generally, with that approach, we will win.
It's going to played out in the teeth of a storm so that will make it all the more interesting.
1-0
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I can see us winning this 2-1.
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I wouldn't say this is a must win game, but it is an important one. We need to get back on track in the league and this is a great opportunity to do that.
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I wouldn't say this is a must win game, but it is an important one. We need to get back on track in the league and this is a great opportunity to do that.
If this isnt a must win i don't know what is. One win 7 is poor and next up chelsea away
We need to win this one
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Yes we obviously need to win this. Lose and it's 18 points from 12 games, and probably bottom half of the table, which would be disappointing to put it mildly. One win in seven in the League would also be pretty worrying, especially with Chelsea away next. Sort it out, Unai.
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3-0 Yorke Staunton Froggatt
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Our league form at home this season has been mediocre, and three wins from our next three home league games is an absolute must. This one I think we'll just about scrape.
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I would like to see Olsen start this game. (Runs away to hide)
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I would like to see Olsen start this game. (Runs away to hide)
You might survive, as long as your hideaway isn't in the countryside.
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The football calendar/scheduling is a joke. Martinez will be finishing his game around 2am on Thursday morning our time and it's a 13 hour or so flight back to the UK.
Anyway we'll beat Palace but only narrowly, 2 1 - Watkins and Rogers.
It was 2am this morning
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I would like to see Olsen start this game. (Runs away to hide)
Madness. It's not like Emi doesn't have experience of this kind of thing.
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I would like to see Olsen start this game. (Runs away to hide)
Haha! I'd almost rather play Mings in goal over Olsen!
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This really is must win if we have aspirations of top 6 . It really has been an erratic season so far
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This really is must win if we have aspirations of top 6 . It really has been an erratic season so far
It's not, though, is it? It's early in the season still, lots of teams are bunched around where we are in the league.
I get your point, it'd be great for morale, but it's not the end of the world if we don't win.
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In the space of 3 weeks we've gone from the best start to a league season in 26 years to a must-win game at home to Palace.
How quickly things change.
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Remember we are still only 1 point off the Champions League spots. Other teams around us have been erratic too. And our last two league outings have been defeats away to Spurs and Liverpool which, whilst not welcome, are hardly shocks either.
2-1
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In the space of 3 weeks we've gone from the best start to a league season in 26 years to a must-win game at home to Palace.
How quickly things change.
A week is a long time in football
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I'm just looking forward to going to a game again.
Seems like ages ago!
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It’s not “must” win, but it’s pretty key that we do win.
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This really is must win if we have aspirations of top 6 . It really has been an erratic season so far
It's not, though, is it? It's early in the season still, lots of teams are bunched around where we are in the league.
I get your point, it'd be great for morale, but it's not the end of the world if we don't win.
Im not sure i agree entirely. I mean we do need to win this when you consider uts chelsea away next and we have juventus midweek too while chelsea will rest most of their team midweek.
If we have aspirations of challenging for top 5 we do need to win this one. Playing catchup on top of a busy CL schedule not ideal at all.
Its not end of world as you say but its not very good either if we fail to win another game
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I would like to see Olsen start this game. (Runs away to hide)
You might survive, as long as your hideaway isn't in the countryside.
As long as he isn't on a canal boat, he might be fine.
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This really is must win if we have aspirations of top 6 . It really has been an erratic season so far
It's not, though, is it? It's early in the season still, lots of teams are bunched around where we are in the league.
I get your point, it'd be great for morale, but it's not the end of the world if we don't win.
Im not sure i agree entirely. I mean we do need to win this when you consider uts chelsea away next and we have juventus midweek too while chelsea will rest most of their team midweek.
If we have aspirations of challenging for top 5 we do need to win this one. Playing catchup on top of a busy CL schedule not ideal at all.
Its not end of world as you say but its not very good either if we fail to win another game
So you agree with him then? Do you ever read what you've typed before pressing 'post'?
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Remember we are still only 1 point off the Champions League spots. Other teams around us have been erratic too. And our last two league outings have been defeats away to Spurs and Liverpool which, whilst not welcome, are hardly shocks either.
2-1
But we also failed to beat Ipswich and Bournemouth. Mostly because our defence is terrible, and can't keep a clean sheet for love nor money.
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We failed to beat Ipswich because the referee was a cheating bastard.
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Remember we are still only 1 point off the Champions League spots. Other teams around us have been erratic too. And our last two league outings have been defeats away to Spurs and Liverpool which, whilst not welcome, are hardly shocks either.
2-1
But we also failed to beat Ipswich and Bournemouth. Mostly because our defence is terrible, and can't keep a clean sheet for love nor money.
Made heavy weather of beating Everton and Wulvz too.
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This really is must win if we have aspirations of top 6 . It really has been an erratic season so far
It's not, though, is it? It's early in the season still, lots of teams are bunched around where we are in the league.
I get your point, it'd be great for morale, but it's not the end of the world if we don't win.
Im not sure i agree entirely. I mean we do need to win this when you consider uts chelsea away next and we have juventus midweek too while chelsea will rest most of their team midweek.
If we have aspirations of challenging for top 5 we do need to win this one. Playing catchup on top of a busy CL schedule not ideal at all.
Its not end of world as you say but its not very good either if we fail to win another game
So you agree with him then? Do you ever read what you've typed before pressing 'post'?
Do you ?
If you did i said i dont agree with his post "entirely"
Then i disagreed with certain elements of the post. So not quite sure what you are on about.
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The Birmingham Pub Bombing families will be pitchside at half time Saturday as the names of the victims are read out.
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Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
Bailey
Tielemans
Barkley
McGinn
Rogers
Watkins
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This really is must win if we have aspirations of top 6 . It really has been an erratic season so far
It's not, though, is it? It's early in the season still, lots of teams are bunched around where we are in the league.
I get your point, it'd be great for morale, but it's not the end of the world if we don't win.
Im not sure i agree entirely. I mean we do need to win this when you consider uts chelsea away next and we have juventus midweek too while chelsea will rest most of their team midweek.
If we have aspirations of challenging for top 5 we do need to win this one. Playing catchup on top of a busy CL schedule not ideal at all.
Its not end of world as you say but its not very good either if we fail to win another game
So you agree with him then? Do you ever read what you've typed before pressing 'post'?
Do you ?
If you did i said i dont agree with his post "entirely"
Then i disagreed with certain elements of the post. So not quite sure what you are on about.
The first post says it's must win and the second replies that it is not. You conclude your post agreeing with the second poster, who it's fair to assume would also prefer to see us win, given he's been posting for decaeds in a forum dedicated entirely to us.
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This really is must win if we have aspirations of top 6 . It really has been an erratic season so far
It's not, though, is it? It's early in the season still, lots of teams are bunched around where we are in the league.
I get your point, it'd be great for morale, but it's not the end of the world if we don't win.
Im not sure i agree entirely. I mean we do need to win this when you consider uts chelsea away next and we have juventus midweek too while chelsea will rest most of their team midweek.
If we have aspirations of challenging for top 5 we do need to win this one. Playing catchup on top of a busy CL schedule not ideal at all.
Its not end of world as you say but its not very good either if we fail to win another game
So you agree with him then? Do you ever read what you've typed before pressing 'post'?
Do you ?
If you did i said i dont agree with his post "entirely"
Then i disagreed with certain elements of the post. So not quite sure what you are on about.
The first post says it's must win and the second replies that it is not. You conclude your post agreeing with the second poster, who it's fair to assume would also prefer to see us win, given he's been posting for decaeds in a forum dedicated entirely to us.
I was merely saying that for the reasons explained in the post we do need to win this and i dont agree with elements of the post hence the world entirely being used
Not sure what the relevance of the last sentence is 🙂 we are all are villa fans here. We might not always agree on everything but all our end goal is to see villa do well.
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We failed to beat Ipswich because the referee was a cheating bastard.
And Manchester United.
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Yep. Don't know for certain we would have gone on to win that, but 2-1 up against ten men at shitey Ipswich? That's two points stolen.
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Yep. Don't know for certain we would have gone on to win that, but 2-1 up against ten men at shitey Ipswich? That's two points stolen.
Not sure we can blame the ref , we were very average all game didn't get to grips with the centre of the park then Konsa had a brain fart moment and we got caught.
As Risso has said above our defence is a real problem , has been for a while now and if anything it's getting worse not better .
For me this is a must win game , we are at home against average opposition and it's time to get the season motoring .
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We can blame the referee because we'd have won if he hasn't cheated.
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I wonder if we're planning to do the reverse of last season - start poorly and storm the second half. None of this 'top at christmas' nonsense.
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I wonder if we're planning to do the reverse of last season - start poorly and storm the second half. None of this 'top at christmas' nonsense.
Let’s bloody hope they are.
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I wonder if we're planning to do the reverse of last season - start poorly and storm the second half. None of this 'top at christmas' nonsense.
.hopefully mate otherwise it will be midtable
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I wonder if we're planning to do the reverse of last season - start poorly and storm the second half. None of this 'top at christmas' nonsense.
We’re a point of 3rd place. To paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of our decline have been greatly exaggerated.
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We'd be third if not for that bloody Bournemouth equaliser. I know I need to let it go for peace of mind.
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Doesn't help getting over it that we've lost every game since
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Looks like conditions will be pretty grim tomorrow. Gusty winds and heavy rain.
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But its not just being a point for 3rd. The performances have been generally poor most of the season in the PL. The bbc article on our struggles highlights the problems excellently
Hopwfully we will see a massive improvement after the break
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We've made heavy weather of games against the bottom sides and generally our performances have been sketchy and the defence is a mess . If we are being honest we don't look the team we were last season so far , juggling the Prem and ECL is certainly not easy as Newcastle found out, as we are now .
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I wonder if we're planning to do the reverse of last season - start poorly and storm the second half. None of this 'top at christmas' nonsense.
Think we're all banking on that, and there is some evidence - or perhaps indications may be a better word - that that will be the case.
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We'd be third if not for that bloody Bournemouth equaliser. I know I need to let it go for peace of mind.
Me too!
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So annoying how we played those closing stages , constantly hoofing the ball losing possession then Barkley lunging in , then Duran/Cash losing their man . Frustrating
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Ezri Konsa has been ruled out of #AVFC's game against Crystal Palace. Amadou Onana also absent, but Unai Emery hopes to have both fit for Juventus next week. Ramsey and Kamara unavailable but Cash and Barkley return.
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Ezri Konsa has been ruled out of #AVFC's game against Crystal Palace. Amadou Onana also absent, but Unai Emery hopes to have both fit for Juventus next week. Ramsey and Kamara unavailable but Cash and Barkley return.
Thanks for update. Mixed bag then on injury front
Eze out for palace
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Could be worse then, at least we can cobble a midfield together.
Emi
Cash
DC
Torres
Digne
Barkley
Tielemans
McGinn
Bailey
Rogers
Watkins
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Could be worse then, at least we can cobble a midfield together.
Emi
Cash
DC
Torres
Digne
Barkley
Tielemans
McGinn
Bailey
Rogers
Watkins
Only change i would make is put maatsen in. Think he needs a league start ans we can save digne for Juventus
Im not sure if i would start bailey on second thought either. I know philiogene hasnt been good but hasnt had manay starts. Maybe give him a start and bring bailey on as a sub
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No way would i drop Digne , player of the season so far for me
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No way would i drop Digne , player of the season so far for me
Im just thinking digne would be useful for CL. We really need to beat juventus midweek. I do agree with you tim digne been excellent its more resting than dropping for me
I think maatsen could do the job tomorrow
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Sometimes you have to kill your darlings. For the pace he can bring, that inside running line too that bulks the midfield, especially with Bailey off form, I'd start him.
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Me too.
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No way would i drop Digne , player of the season so far for me
Im just thinking digne would be useful for CL. We really need to beat juventus midweek. I do agree with you tim digne been excellent its more resting than dropping for me
I think maatsen could do the job tomorrow
We really need to beat Palace tomorrow.
I fully expect Digne to start with Maatsen coming on with 20 minutes to go.
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No way would i drop Digne , player of the season so far for me
Im just thinking digne would be useful for CL. We really need to beat juventus midweek. I do agree with you tim digne been excellent its more resting than dropping for me
I think maatsen could do the job tomorrow
We really need to beat Palace tomorrow.
I fully expect Digne to start with Maatsen coming on with 20 minutes to go.
Yeah i would imagine thats how it goes Chris.
Three of our Cm injured. Whether you loved or didnt like him thats one of the qualities i liked about luiz he rarely got injured. Onana and JJ are injury prone players
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------- Martinez --------
Cash Carlos Mings Digne
--- Tielemans - Barkey--
McGinn ---------- Rogers
-- Bailey -- Watkins -----
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No way would i drop Digne , player of the season so far for me
Im just thinking digne would be useful for CL. We really need to beat juventus midweek. I do agree with you tim digne been excellent its more resting than dropping for me
I think maatsen could do the job tomorrow
We really need to beat Palace tomorrow.
I fully expect Digne to start with Maatsen coming on with 20 minutes to go.
that's how i see it, Digne goes off on 65 mins to a standing ovation after assisting the third goal .
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No excuses for this one. We have injuries, yes, but so do they. They are a poor outfit in the bottom 3 and we have to beat them.
2-1 Villa.
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Guehi is a good player , their defence generally doesn't concede that many for a bottom 3 side (2 less than us all season so far)
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Could be worse then, at least we can cobble a midfield together.
Emi
Cash
DC
Torres
Digne
Barkley
Tielemans
McGinn
Bailey
Rogers
Watkins
I'd start Maatsen in place of Bailey. Play Maatsen ahead of Digne and have the attacking pace down our left side. Bailey might be a used sub if things are going well.
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No Eze.
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No Eze.
That's a relief. Cracking player.
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Hopefully Will Hughes is fit
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What about playing Digne & Maatsen with Bailey on the bench?
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I expect us to win and a rarity this season pretty convincingly.
2-0 or something like that.
It's silly to declare in November the next one up is a must win but I do fear we'll start losing ground if we just play out an unconvincing draw. Chelsea will certainly beat us if we can't dominate against understrength Palace.
Yes we have injuries but Eze to Palace is what Grealish was to us so that's a huge amount of creativity to lose and Adam Wharton unlikely to play either so they'll just pack their team full of CBs and DMs and try to hold on to a 0-0.
I do wonder though whether we might give Mings a start. Pau been away, we have Juve and Chelsea imminent and I just think bring Mings back to keep Mateta under wraps is the ideal way to get his prem minutes up, Pau really struggled v him last season and he's Palace main threat now.
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Palace have a bit of a injury crisis worse than us. We really have no excuses tomorrow
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No Eze.
Agreed, it'll be tricky with all the injuries we have.
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What about playing Digne & Maatsen with Bailey on the bench?
Not for me Geoff . Square pegs in round holes at this level rarely works . Digne 60-65 mins then Maatesen , repeat Wednesday v Juve .
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What about playing Digne & Maatsen with Bailey on the bench?
Not for me Geoff . Square pegs in round holes at this level rarely works . Digne 60-65 mins then Maatesen , repeat Wednesday v Juve .
Talking of which do you think Unai is not risking the likes of Kamara, Onana and Ezri because of the juve game?
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Those 15 home wins seem like a lifetime ago. Have we really not won at home in the league for 2 months? ( I know we haven't played many but that's still too long)
We need to get something here because I doubt we will get a result at Chelsea given our record against the Sky 6 this season.
I think we might be in for a tough afternoon but we will just get over the line. 1-0 to us. Rogers with the goal.
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What about playing Digne & Maatsen with Bailey on the bench?
Not for me Geoff . Square pegs in round holes at this level rarely works . Digne 60-65 mins then Maatesen , repeat Wednesday v Juve .
Talking of which do you think Unai is not risking the likes of Kamara, Onana and Ezri because of the juve game?
Doubt it, I would be surprised if they are fit for Wednesday night.
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Plus Unai has consistently said that his main priority is the Premier League.
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Indeed and we need to get out of this losing habit.
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A bit concerned by the current losses in midfield but hopefully we'll have enough to beat them. A nervy 2-1 win. Bailey to get off the mark and Ollie. Vince Hilaire for them.
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Not looking forward to the drive to and from the ground in the storm so they had better win, otherwise I will be cursing all the way home.
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Sounding like Tielemans and Barkley in the middle and Cash at RB.
So may have more going forward, but be more vulnerable defensively.
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I would put SJM with Thielemans in the middle, I don’t think Barkley has got the legs to play there.
Push him into the 10 position with Rogers and Bailey wide.
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Lovely day for it, jeez. I think this might be a 0-0 or 1 goal either way settles it.
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I know we’ve got into the habit of losing in all competitions but even with our injury list I have a feeling we can grind out a draw today.
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Unai likes us to be patient, but there have times when we’ve started really fast, Arsenal and Forest at home last year spring to mind. I really think we need to start fast today, Palace must be low on confidence and we don’t need to give them any kind of foothold in the game, the conditions could be a leveller the longer it goes on.
Still sticking with 3-0.
I think Unai, will probably go with the obvious selection wise, so i think it will be
Martinez
Cash
Carlos
Torres
Digne
Barklay
McGinn
Rogers
Watkins
Tielemans
Bailey
Maatsen and Duran the only real game changers from the bench if needed.
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Had a dream last night we were losing 7-0 when I checked the score, so..... be prepared.
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Had a dream last night we were losing 7-0 when I checked the score, so..... be prepared.
Was it early in the game? Did we still have a chance to turn it around?
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Had a dream last night we were losing 7-0 when I checked the score, so..... be prepared.
Did it end 8-7 when duran came on and scored 8 thunderbolts?
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I dreamt we lost away to Wimbledon, Dalian Atkinson scored both and there was a big fuss about him scoring that goal etc etc.
I saw the result through a shop window on a TV like in the 70's. Emery was definitely the manager though and I was really depressed about losing 5 in a row.
I blame the San Miguel.
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I would put SJM with Thielemans in the middle, I don’t think Barkley has got the legs to play there.
Push him into the 10 position with Rogers and Bailey wide.
Yeah SJM will be coming back full of confidence after scoring v Croatia and Poland. Him and Tielemans played as a combination v Arsenal and Bournemouth end of last season and they were really good so would expect that to be played while we wait for Kamara and Onana to get fit.
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Had a dream last night we were losing 7-0 when I checked the score, so..... be prepared.
Was it early in the game? Did we still have a chance to turn it around?
It was 1-0 very early and I got so annoyed I stopped watching. At some point later on in the dream my brother was checking his accumulator and got really annoyed at the 7-0 scoreline, so I assume it was final result.
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Had a dream last night we were losing 7-0 when I checked the score, so..... be prepared.
Was it early in the game? Did we still have a chance to turn it around?
It was 1-0 very early and I got so annoyed I stopped watching. At some point later on in the dream my brother was checking his accumulator and got really annoyed at the 7-0 scoreline, so I assume it was final result.
Was it Cash or Konsa at rightback?
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Really need to win this one just steady the nerves a bit. Currently were giving Newcastle last season vibes.
We desperately need some form from our forward players - as although we can tighten up at the back I dont think we will enough to cover for our subdued acttacking displays.
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Bogarde back in at right-back. Maatsen in at left-back.
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Bogarde back in at right-back. Maatsen in at left-back.
Wow interesting
Didnt see that happening at all. Saving cash for CL