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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on November 09, 2024, 09:52:31 PM

Title: Our right hand side.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 09, 2024, 09:52:31 PM
Anyone have a clue what's been going on there the last six months? It seems a very weird experiment in what we can get away with.

So we sign a very highly rated young FB from Serbia who starts for them every game and already played in CL yet he can't even get on the bench when Cash is injured and ahead of Bogarde who's really a CB.

We wanted to sign Geertruida but couldn't do that unless we sold a CB and then there was no backup alternative even on loan once that didn't happen.

So we've just had to go back to last season's options which are solid but limited v some opponents.

Then ahead we've had Bailey massive fall off his level from 12 months ago. Diaby was also sold and not replaced with player of similar experience.

Watching Jaden on that really decent counter we had, does he even believe he's good enough for the prem. Dosen't pass, dosen't shoot and just loses the ball so easily when he could look up and see McGinn and Maatsen unmarked.

If our season is fizzling out it's due to neglecting this area. Some of it due to FFP but also were some gambles in the decision making but it's a really weak spot in the season currently.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Cropley10 on November 09, 2024, 10:10:16 PM
The new year player list is growing:
RB ( still!)
CB
Right sided forward x2
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 09, 2024, 10:11:15 PM
The new year player list is growing:
RB ( still!)
CB
Right sided forward x2


We won't be signing much in January. Probably similar to last January, one player to come into first 11 and then more of a prospect signing.

Next summer we need to sort it and I would imagine that will mean selling Cash and probably Bailey aswell.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Steve67 on November 09, 2024, 10:12:12 PM
I agree SHQ, the right side needs replacing or repairing.  Ned will come good but might need a loan to give him games.  As for Bailey, he looks really half arsed at the moment and shouldn't be starting.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 09, 2024, 11:41:01 PM
I agree SHQ, the right side needs replacing or repairing.  Ned will come good but might need a loan to give him games.  As for Bailey, he looks really half arsed at the moment and shouldn't be starting.

Nedeljković doesn't look anywhere near ready for the Premier League yet.  I think a lot of it probably dies come down to the financial constraints in the summer and we were likely in a position where we had to sell Carlos to bring in another option either at RB or CB. 
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 10, 2024, 12:23:57 AM
As someone else pointed out if money was that tight in the summer why not keep Moreno and Digne and use the money for right back instead. 
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: OCD on November 10, 2024, 11:54:34 AM
Where the logic in that falls down is that while on paper the £35m Maatsen and £20m Kellyman deals appeared seperate, I suspect they were actually linked. And £20m of pure profit meant not having to sell someone like Ramsey.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Baldy on November 10, 2024, 11:57:28 AM
As someone else pointed out if money was that tight in the summer why not keep Moreno and Digne and use the money for right back instead.

I'm guessing Moreno wanted out as he wants first team football. Without 100% commitment, Unai probaly had no choice but to let him go.

Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Baldy on November 10, 2024, 12:03:05 PM
Where the logic in that falls down is that while on paper the £35m Maatsen and £20m Kellyman deals appeared seperate, I suspect they were actually linked. And £20m of pure profit meant not having to sell someone like Ramsey.

I would be happy to sell Ramsey subject to a decent price. For me, Ramsey and Rogers are to similar and I would prefer we keep Rogers and put the money towards an 'out and out' left winger. Sane for example.

Strengthening our right back position is the main priority though.

Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2024, 12:05:01 PM
Nedeljković doesn't look anywhere near ready for the Premier League yet. 
It's a very definite statement, Tom. I'd say: he's an international fullback who tackles well and has pace; and we should give him gametime alongside Konsa at RCB.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 10, 2024, 12:14:47 PM
As someone else pointed out if money was that tight in the summer why not keep Moreno and Digne and use the money for right back instead.

I'm guessing Moreno wanted out as he wants first team football. Without 100% commitment, Unai probaly had no choice but to let him go.



TBF both Moreno and Digne are in their 30s with 18 months or so left on their deals so we needed a younger LB sooner or later.

Could some of the 60m Diaby fee not gone on a RB option? I thought we just had to sell Luiz to meet the FFP requirements for this season.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Richard E on November 10, 2024, 12:30:19 PM
As anyone who used to stand on the old Holte End will tell you, the left side is always superior.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on November 10, 2024, 08:03:54 PM
As anyone who used to stand on the old Holte End will tell you, the left side is always superior.

Indeed.


I'd rather be a sausage than an egg.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2024, 09:05:39 PM
As anyone who used to stand on the old Holte End will tell you, the left side is always superior.
Indeed.
I'd rather be a sausage than an egg.
Tiswas!!
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: VillaTim on November 10, 2024, 09:27:22 PM
How much could we get for Cash £25m ? I'd be looking at that option and giving Monchi the funds to recycle on a quality RB like Dumfries
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: eamonn on November 11, 2024, 12:54:45 AM
I think the Diaby deal helped out the more stringent UEFA PSR rules.

Either that or it means we may not have to sell another big name before next 30th June, as I think the Diaby sale happened in this financial year.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 11, 2024, 03:54:54 AM
Does anyone have the statistics as to whether we concede more with Cash at RB? 😈

It is really frustrating to watch that side of the pitch. Bailey has turned back into a pub player, and Jaden grifts, but I'm not seeing much attacking flair. I'm pretty desperate to see if we can do something in January.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: eye digress on November 11, 2024, 08:43:35 AM
Am struck by how Philogene seems to have been learning at the same school as Bailey Mk3 - pick up the ball, lose your balance, try and poke it between the opponent’s legs, give the ball away, rinse and repeat.

Those who have seen him play more, what is his USP? Is it pace over a few yards, is it a trick, is he supposed to make a dash for the touchline, come inside and clatter in a shot?

Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: London Villan on November 11, 2024, 09:23:29 AM
I do wonder if Philogene would make a better right-back, than winger?
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 11, 2024, 09:36:21 AM
Cash was initially a 'swashbuckling' winger was he not?  I seem to remember him ripping us a new one in that 5-5 draw.  Not that this is relevant but it might explain why he isn't that great at Right Back.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: brontebilly on November 11, 2024, 09:57:58 AM
Cash was initially a 'swashbuckling' winger was he not?  I seem to remember him ripping us a new one in that 5-5 draw.  Not that this is relevant but it might explain why he isn't that great at Right Back.

High energy but little quality. His career wasn't really going anywhere until he moved back to RB. The few times he has played RWB or RW for us he has been horrible.

The days of defenders flying in with tackles and leaving a bit on forwards are about 10 years gone. Forwards are too clever now, mistime it at all and it's a yellow and a set piece in a dangerous area. If Cash could rid that from his game, near miss peno v Bournemouth for example and he gave away a stupid free kick after that again, then I'd put up with his limitations on the ball. He's played pretty well for us this season when fit. Two penalties conceded alright but West Ham one was ridiculous, maybe less so at Fulham.

His fitness is a real issue now unfortunately, two injuries already and that's after the summer off missing the Euros with another injury.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2025, 09:09:23 PM
Introducing Garcia and Malen.
Right side upgraded.
Certainly two options that will provide a lot of forward thrust and panache.
Exciting times ahead.
All right now ?
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2025, 09:15:30 PM
I think García will be bedded-in gradually, it's a big jump from playing Albacete in La Segunda.

Malen...please hit the ground running and don't be a Bailey'24-'25 or a Jaden'24.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2025, 09:33:24 PM
Problems solved ?
Garcia, Disasi, Malen, Rashy or Malen
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 03, 2025, 09:47:40 PM
Problems solved ?
Garcia, Disasi, Malen, Rashy or Malen
Doesn't Rashford prefer playing off the left?
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: Steve67 on February 03, 2025, 09:50:56 PM
I know he got the hook on Saturday but I thought Garcia showed a great deal of promise against the medieval Wanderers on Saturday.  Lots of pace and power and will get up to speed quickly, hopefully. Bailey however, was terrible.

Rashford plays left rather than right.
Title: Re: Our right hand side.
Post by: danno on February 03, 2025, 09:55:51 PM
I know he got the hook on Saturday but I thought Garcia showed a great deal of promise against the medieval Wanderers on Saturday.  Lots of pace and power and will get up to speed quickly, hopefully. Bailey however, was terrible.

Rashford plays left rather than right.

Rashford can play on the right, it’s true at Man Utd he generally did do better on the left but that might be because Luke Shaw was better than any of the right backs he was played in front of.
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