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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: olaftab on November 03, 2024, 06:51:32 PM
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UEFA Champions League
When: Wednesday 6 November 2024 Kick off 18:45 CET 17:45 GMT
Where: Jan Breydel Stadium, Brugge
Brugge are dong very well in the Pro League, currently sitting second with 24 points from 13 games. However not doing that well in the CL and currently in elimination places. Still this is going to be tough.
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A narrow hard fought win. 0-1 Duran 88
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Unai's Villa lose 3 successive games as often as we win 3 in a row at Spurs. 2-0 to the Villa boys, and celebratory beers aplenty in Bruges.
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Tough game as brugges are suppose to be pretty good at home. We cant afford a third straight loss especially with liverpool away next
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Think we may see Kamara start this one and Carlos back if Mings isn't ready
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Saving ourselves for this one obviously. 2-0 Villa.
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2-0
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Unai's Villa lose 3 successive games as often as we win 3 in a row at Spurs. 2-0 to the Villa boys, and celebratory beers aplenty in Bruges.
Yep I’m oddly confident on this one. I’m not for the game that follows it.
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Wish i was going, been to Brussels and Antwerp with work over the years, but never Brugges. Will get some Leffe in to have during the match, although last time in a lovely quirky cafe bar in Brussels, a ridiculously good looking bar waiter, told me Leffe was a beer for children, which after already having had several amazing Belgian beers, I wasn’t in the slightest bit offended by.
2-1 us hopefully (Watkins, Tielemans).
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Brugges is very nice fantastic food and ale , Brussells not so easy on the eye but still decent nosh, and go see the boy pissing foutain and that weird sculpture if you get time . anyway -
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Cash Konsa Mings Digne
---- Kamara - Onana ----
Tielemans---------- Ramsey
--- Rogers ---- Watkins ---
A win and top of the ECL would certainly lift the spirits . UTV
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5.45pm again? FFS, when will we consistently dine at the 8pm top-table champions club?
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Liverpool getting a Tuesday game too, gives them 24 hours extra rest before our game
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Better that the game is at 5.45pm so the boys can get home and rest before Liverpool on Sat. Also means more drinking time for the Villa fans celebrating the win in Bruges.
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Yeah but some of us are in work til 6.06
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Yeah but some of us are in work til 6.06
i'm leaving smack on 17;00 hours but its still a ball ache to make it somewhere to watch .
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Sounds like Cash has a calf issue. We need to play Mings and Kamara in this game!
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Watchout for them filming midgets.
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Unai could bring in Maatsen for this game and play Konsa at right back
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They've won 3 out of 7 home league games this season. It's neither or fortress or a cauldron of noise loud enough to scare McGinn. We should beat these and qualify for the next round.
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Tough game as brugges are suppose to be pretty good at home. We cant afford a third straight loss especially with liverpool away next
Not particularly good at home according to form.
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Unai could bring in Maatsen for this game and play Konsa at right back
Digne has been one of our best players this season so I wouldn't be dropping him for this .
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Game is live on Virgin Media 2 over here in Ireland.
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No idea on this one. Be nice to get another win though.
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On Eurostar at 7.05 tomorrow. Looking forward to Brugge as much as the game.
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Ticket vouchers are out.
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We are in very poor form and confidence looks to be very low but I reckon we will bounce back and get a valuable point.
2-2
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They're hardly in better form, are they?
Is this the Benteke or the Wesley derby?
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5.45pm again? FFS, when will we consistently dine at the 8pm top-table champions club?
Two games were at 8pm and one at 5.45 so far.
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Yeah, I know, the young Grasshoppers. I was hoping we'd always be 8pm after all our hard work to get to the CL.
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Liverpool getting a Tuesday game too, gives them 24 hours extra rest before our game
Our players don’t seem to respond well to rest if last week is anything to go by.
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I think they had enough of a rest in the second half, yesterday.
Time to change the pace, get some feeling of urgency and expertise back in the camp!
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Yeah but some of us are in work til 6.06
Some of us are in work at 10pm.
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UEFA Champions League
When: Wednesday 6 November 2024 Kick off 18:45 CET 17:45 GMT
Where: Jan Breydel Stadium, Brugge
Brugge are dong very well in the Pro League, currently sitting second with 24 points from 13 games. However not doing that well in the CL and currently in elimination places. Still this is going to be tough.
Good test for us, assume Cash is out so that horrid setup with Konsa at RB will return. If he does then Maatsen can push up on other side. I think Emery will play Torres to get Sunday out of his system but Mings can't be far off another start. Kamara to return and Tielemans further forward for a change, Rogers unlikely to be fully fit.
Martinez
Konsa, Carlos, Mings, Maatsen
Onana, Kamara
McGinn, Ramsey
Tielemans, Duran
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UEFA Champions League
When: Wednesday 6 November 2024 Kick off 18:45 CET 17:45 GMT
Where: Jan Breydel Stadium, Brugge
Brugge are dong very well in the Pro League, currently sitting second with 24 points from 13 games. However not doing that well in the CL and currently in elimination places. Still this is going to be tough.
Good test for us, assume Cash is out so that horrid setup with Konsa at RB will return. If he does then Maatsen can push up on other side. I think Emery will play Torres to get Sunday out of his system but Mings can't be far off another start. Kamara to return and Tielemans further forward for a change, Rogers unlikely to be fully fit.
Martinez
Konsa, Carlos, Mings, Maatsen
Onana, Kamara
McGinn, Ramsey
Tielemans, Duran
The horrid set-up responsible for most of our clean sheets and outstanding results over the last eighteen months? Why do you prefer a defence that concedes more goals? I mean, I like other teams conceding more goals, but not my own.
It’s like listening to Frank Lampard’s analysis yesterday, when he said we were hit on the break, despite the goal being replayed in front of his eyes, showing we had ten men behind the ball at the time.
I suppose people who don’t know what they’re looking at watch football sometimes. At least you don’t get paid.
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Had a stag weekend in Bruges a few years back. Totally not the place for that type of event.... same as 3/4k pissed up Brummies descending on it!
Loads of us will be making the journey with no ticket, so the hardest thing is going to be finding somewhere with a tv to watch the game - That central square is not gonna know what hit it over the next couple of days!
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They're hardly in better form, are they?
Is this the Benteke or the Wesley derby?
Benteke was bought from Genk.
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Had a stag weekend in Bruges a few years back. Totally not the place for that type of event.... same as 3/4k pissed up Brummies descending on it!
Loads of us will be making the journey with no ticket, so the hardest thing is going to be finding somewhere with a tv to watch the game - That central square is not gonna know what hit it over the next couple of days!
I think it probably will. They're used to football supporters by now.
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Glad I’ve got an extra few days there for when you lot piss off.
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Liverpool getting a Tuesday game too, gives them 24 hours extra rest before our game
Our players don’t seem to respond well to rest if last week is anything to go by.
fair point
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UEFA Champions League
When: Wednesday 6 November 2024 Kick off 18:45 CET 17:45 GMT
Where: Jan Breydel Stadium, Brugge
Brugge are dong very well in the Pro League, currently sitting second with 24 points from 13 games. However not doing that well in the CL and currently in elimination places. Still this is going to be tough.
Good test for us, assume Cash is out so that horrid setup with Konsa at RB will return. If he does then Maatsen can push up on other side. I think Emery will play Torres to get Sunday out of his system but Mings can't be far off another start. Kamara to return and Tielemans further forward for a change, Rogers unlikely to be fully fit.
Martinez
Konsa, Carlos, Mings, Maatsen
Onana, Kamara
McGinn, Ramsey
Tielemans, Duran
The horrid set-up responsible for most of our clean sheets and outstanding results over the last eighteen months? Why do you prefer a defence that concedes more goals? I mean, I like other teams conceding more goals, but not my own.
It’s like listening to Frank Lampard’s analysis yesterday, when he said we were hit on the break, despite the goal being replayed in front of his eyes, showing we had ten men behind the ball at the time.
I suppose people who don’t know what they’re looking at watch football sometimes. At least you don’t get paid.
Our defensive structure fell apart yesterday when the much maligned Matty Cash went off, so it's an odd time to be blowing your own trumpet as it were. We were like a pub team for that second goal yesterday, Torres running out into no man's land, Konsa caught behind the line at RB. The Bournemouth equaliser, not organised at front post. Ipswich, pitiful defensive display throughout against relegation fodder. We were rubbish at the back for most of the second half of last season too, Torres form collapsed and Carlos was being his usual self most games so this isn't new, despite the narrative you keep pushing. The defence hasn't been good enough for ages.
I think Emery can start addressing this by going back to basics on Wednesday night by putting Kamara and Mings back into the spine of the team.
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Since Konsa got his England caps i think he's gone a bit comfortable , didn't like him laughing and joking on the pitch with their nr 9 either after full time at 1-4 . Please do that down the tunnel or in China White later .
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Since Konsa got his England caps i think he's gone a bit comfortable , didn't like him laughing and joking on the pitch with their nr 9 either after full time at 1-4 . Please do that down the tunnel or in China White later .
Poor for first two goals anyway. Constantly changing position isn't helping but his form has been a bit mixed so far this season for sure. McGinn and Bailey obviously struggling too. Though I thought Bailey did ok when he came in on Sunday.
Watkins is the one for me that needs a rocket more than most. He's had a petted lip from early on this season with Duran pushing him hard. We are a club competing in the CL with a top young striker in reserve, needs to get it into his head and quickly that last season is history now and he needs to improve his attitude asap. He can watch Duran on Wednesday for starters.
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In danger of dragging myself into the RB de ja vu debate, but Cash was on the field and partly at fault for the Bournemouth goal.
Also Torres fell apart a bit yesterday, but the idea his form ‘fell apart’ in the second half if last season, is a gross exaggeration.
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In danger of dragging myself into the RB de ja vu debate, but Cash was on the field and partly at fault for the Bournemouth goal.
Also Torres fell apart a bit yesterday, but the idea his form ‘fell apart’ in the second half if last season, is a gross exaggeration.
Cash/Duran made a mess of their positions. I just think Mings is very good at getting us organised back there.
Torres was very poor after his injury last season, think it was around February. Sure Kamara was a big loss but Torres struggled more than even Luiz.
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A heads up in case anyone missed the ticket thread - Seb has a couple of spare tix. There is plenty of demand but Seb bless him keen to help out those of this parish first.
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A heads up in case anyone missed the ticket thread - Seb has a couple of spare tix. There is plenty of demand but Seb bless him keen to help out those of this parish first.
In the home end I take it?
Edit. Answered my own question by looking myself instead of being lazy!!
2 left in home end.
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A heads up in case anyone missed the ticket thread - Seb has a couple of spare tix. There is plenty of demand but Seb bless him keen to help out those of this parish first.
Yep I’ve had one.
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A heads up in case anyone missed the ticket thread - Seb has a couple of spare tix. There is plenty of demand but Seb bless him keen to help out those of this parish first.
Yep I’ve had one.
Whereabouts are you, there’s a few of us in block 415?
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I've got two spares in block 413, front row I think. (Edit sold now)
Plenty of Villa in block 423 as well
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I've got two spares in block 413, front row I think.
Plenty of Villa in block 423 as well
Understand to have now gone to Ashby Villa, who does https://www.instagram.com/avfconcamera
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UEFA Champions League
When: Wednesday 6 November 2024 Kick off 18:45 CET 17:45 GMT
Where: Jan Breydel Stadium, Brugge
Brugge are dong very well in the Pro League, currently sitting second with 24 points from 13 games. However not doing that well in the CL and currently in elimination places. Still this is going to be tough.
Good test for us, assume Cash is out so that horrid setup with Konsa at RB will return. If he does then Maatsen can push up on other side. I think Emery will play Torres to get Sunday out of his system but Mings can't be far off another start. Kamara to return and Tielemans further forward for a change, Rogers unlikely to be fully fit.
Martinez
Konsa, Carlos, Mings, Maatsen
Onana, Kamara
McGinn, Ramsey
Tielemans, Duran
The horrid set-up responsible for most of our clean sheets and outstanding results over the last eighteen months? Why do you prefer a defence that concedes more goals? I mean, I like other teams conceding more goals, but not my own.
It’s like listening to Frank Lampard’s analysis yesterday, when he said we were hit on the break, despite the goal being replayed in front of his eyes, showing we had ten men behind the ball at the time.
I suppose people who don’t know what they’re looking at watch football sometimes. At least you don’t get paid.
Our defensive structure fell apart yesterday when the much maligned Matty Cash went off, so it's an odd time to be blowing your own trumpet as it were. We were like a pub team for that second goal yesterday, Torres running out into no man's land, Konsa caught behind the line at RB. The Bournemouth equaliser, not organised at front post. Ipswich, pitiful defensive display throughout against relegation fodder. We were rubbish at the back for most of the second half of last season too, Torres form collapsed and Carlos was being his usual self most games so this isn't new, despite the narrative you keep pushing. The defence hasn't been good enough for ages.
I think Emery can start addressing this by going back to basics on Wednesday night by putting Kamara and Mings back into the spine of the team.
I wouldn’t say that showing my ability to count and remember who played in which games is ‘blowing my own trumpet’, but it’s all relative I suppose.
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Any lucky fans going, I went to Bruge last year and tried (I was told by Barman) a popular ale - Blonden OS. It was magnificent! They only serve it in half pints. Drank so many on our group he gave us glasses as souvenirs!
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Liverpool getting a Tuesday game too, gives them 24 hours extra rest before our game
Our players don’t seem to respond well to rest if last week is anything to go by.
Ha good good point. Getting spanked 4-1 after resting your team it doesnt really matter based on that alone!
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Off on a Beano to Brugge tonight and thoroughly looking forward to it.
In terms of the game, the ability to bounce back is a hallmark of the Manager's time with us so I have confidence despite the weekend's events.
A draw would be acceptable and likely if you look at the law of averages. Whatever I'm looking at tomorrow, it's likely to be rather out of focus but fuck it, we'll win.
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For confidence alone we need not only a win but a dominant performance.
Come on you Villa boys
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Dont worry guys we have had two games off. We been saving ourselves for this game.
We got this 🫶
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Since Konsa got his England caps i think he's gone a bit comfortable , didn't like him laughing and joking on the pitch with their nr 9 either after full time at 1-4 . Please do that down the tunnel or in China White later .
China White?! Yes, they'll have gone there after reading their copy of Melody Maker and setting the video to record Noel's House Party.
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Yeah, I know, the young Grasshoppers. I was hoping we'd always be 8pm after all our hard work to get to the CL.
I prefer our aways to be 17:45 (18:45) kick offs as 21:00 is ridiculous when you are there. The worst was away at Olympiakos as match kicked off 10pm local time.
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I can see us winning this 2-1.
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No idea what level Brugges are at , i'm guessing mid table Prem level ?
Take our chances, defend properly we will win .
Tempted to bring Mings back for this.
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A quick glance at the Bruges squad list, they've got former Liverpool keeper Simon Mignolet in goal and former Man City and Celtic never-was Dedryck Boyata in defence.
Nobody else jumped out as players we might have come across before.
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Tzolis played for Greece against England at Wembley and Skov Olsen is a regular in the Denmark squad; Nilsson plays for Sweden but is injured.
Mignolet should play, but Boyata hasn't played this season.
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We have had a bad week but a win here should nearly guarantee knockout CL football. 5 wins to be sure of a top 8 spot seems to be the target, 4/4 would nearly have us there.
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We have had a bad week but a win here should nearly guarantee knockout CL football. 5 wins to be sure of a top 8 spot seems to be the target, 4/4 would nearly have us there.
Absolutely and if qe qualify quickly we can see a bit more rotation in CL and focus on league as we really need to improve in the league as beens pretty poor recently
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Wall of Beers worth a visit.
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There's a cracking cellar bar called le Trappiste. Amazing beers in a bit of a cavern.
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Villa absolutely everywhere this evening.
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Villa absolutely everywhere this evening.
Excellent stuff, enjoy!
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Win tomorrow and we’re back on track.
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Cash definitely out tonight, hopefully that stops the RB debate in its tracks for this one.
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Cash definitely out tonight, hopefully that stops the RB debate in its tracks for this one.
Konsa or Ned then , i doubt he will risk Ned
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The biggest issue with Cash in my opinion, is the sheer number of injuries he seems to pick up. He never seems to stay fit for more than 3 or 4 games at a time.
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Yeah he does seem really injury prone. We really need to sort our RB as a matter of urgency by the summer
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The biggest issue with Cash in my opinion, is the sheer number of injuries he seems to pick up. He never seems to stay fit for more than 3 or 4 games at a time.
True, I wonder if that is down to his all action style where he throws himself into everything and races about like a dog after birds in the park.
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There's a cracking cellar bar called le Trappiste. Amazing beers in a bit of a cavern.
Bumped into Adil Ray in there last night, lovely place.
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Gutted not to be there. Had to cancel last minute due to unforseen circumstances as they say. Seen plenty of videos and pics. Ian Taylor following the boys as usual and happily posing for pics. Would be fantastic to get a win and virtually guaranteed knockout stages but a draw wouldn't be the end of the world. I'm going for a 2-1 win for the Villa boys with Ollie finding his form and netting at least once.
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Ticket queue is rancid. Will miss the kick off at this rate.
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The biggest issue with Cash in my opinion, is the sheer number of injuries he seems to pick up. He never seems to stay fit for more than 3 or 4 games at a time.
Since 1995-96 outfield players who have played in all 38 league games for the season:
Agbonlahor 2006-07 (37 starts + 1 sub)
Barry 2008-09 (38)
Bouma 2007-08 (38)
Buendia 2022-23 (27+11)
Cash 2021-22 (38)
Diaby 2023-24 (25+13)
Downing 2010-11 (38)
Ehiogu 1996-97 (38)
Konsa 2022-23 (37+1)
Laursen 2007-08 (38)
Mellberg 2002-03 (38), 2006-07 (38)
Merson 2000-01 (38)
Samuel 2002-03 (33+5), 2003-04 (38)
Southgate 1998-99 (38)
Targett 2020-21 (38)
Wright 1995-96 (38), 1996-97 (38), 1998-99 (38)
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Just win by 4-0 Villa.
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Saw some of the seats in the away end looks abit grim. Just stand for 90 mins 😂
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Not to sound all Klopp-like, but boy did we get screwed with the fixtures. Played Spuds on Sunday, giving them an extra 24 hours to recover after the City game. Then play Wednesday and Saturday away at Liverpool. Meanwhile, Liverpool play Sat-Tue-Sat.
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Not to sound all Klopp-like, but boy did we get screwed with the fixtures. Played Spuds on Sunday, giving them an extra 24 hours to recover after the City game. Then play Wednesday and Saturday away at Liverpool. Meanwhile, Liverpool play Sat-Tue-Sat.
Meh, excuses, excuses. We rested everybody against Palace, put in a stinker, then played the rested players against Spurs, who responded by also putting in a stinker. There's another international break soon, anyway.
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I hope we are going to reverse last season and this is our dodgy patch.
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Not to sound all Klopp-like, but boy did we get screwed with the fixtures. Played Spuds on Sunday, giving them an extra 24 hours to recover after the City game. Then play Wednesday and Saturday away at Liverpool. Meanwhile, Liverpool play Sat-Tue-Sat.
Meh, excuses, excuses. We rested everybody against Palace, put in a stinker, then played the rested players against Spurs, who responded by also putting in a stinker. There's another international break soon, anyway.
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Agreed Risso. Ok to rotate 2 or 3 players at a time but not virtually the whole team in one go. It simply doesn’t work.
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Have met up with Pat McM and Chico Hamilton the turd of this parish and many others in Brugge.
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Ticket queue is rancid. Will miss the kick off at this rate.
More time to watch coverage of Trump winning bigly.
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wish I was there tonight , so had to have a belguim bun to make up for it , Leffe left me with a massive hangover last time so gave it a miss.
Kamara, MAatsen and carlos to come in . 2 0 Villa.
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Ticket queue is rancid. Will miss the kick off at this rate.
That was dreadful. Considering the time distribution started there was a queue all through and quite long at 2.15ish with average wait of 30 mins. Poor show by Villa staff.
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Ticket queue is rancid. Will miss the kick off at this rate.
That was dreadful. Considering the time distribution started there was a queue all through and quite long at 2.15ish with average wait of 30 mins. Poor show by Villa staff.
Doesn’t help when our friends who booked with Sportsbreak the Official club travel had a separate queue which took half the time.
I queued for about an hour at just before 12 until just before 1 when I got my ticket. Not brilliant but not too bad but need more than 3 people at the tables distributing.
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On skylinewebcams.com you can see quite a lot of our supporters making their way to the game from Bruge's Market Square, though many seem to be heading off in all different directions. It's curiously enjoyable to watch, if you have nothing to do.
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Cmon Villa. Cheer me up.
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Maatsen, Kamara, Bailey, Mings, Diego starting
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Maatsen, Kamara, Bailey, Mings, Diego starting
great news to see mings and kamara starting