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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on November 03, 2024, 03:57:33 PM
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Well done great decision to throw the cups. Ended the week battered and with more injuries.
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You players were a fucking disgrace today. After being rested midweek you go and embarrass us like this?
Gutless second half
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I don't know. We aren't nearly as good as last year or the year before. I hope all the shite off the field we have had to put up with is worth it Mr Heck.
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A bad week. The team has rarely let us down and will improve.
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When we are shit, we are properly shit.
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1-8 in our last 2 games against these twats. At least it's only Liverpool away next in the league.
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Really poor after the break from everyone involved including the manager.
They were crap so we helped them out by conceding possession every five minutes.
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1-8 in our last 2 games against these twats. At least it's only Liverpool away next in the league.
You are usually the good luck omen in match threads
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Dreadful stuff.
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Can’t play Premier League football without a midfield.
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So comfortable in the first half.
They worked far harder than we did in the second half & we got what we deserved. We don't have an alternative way of playing when it's not working.
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Better team won and that capitulation was really poor. Kamara should have been on much earlier, and going two up front when we were being overrun in midfield was baffling.
Depressingly, I'm starting to think we will only win the Champions League this season.
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Konsa laughing and joking with solanke at the end , just fuck that right off
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We’re pacing ourselves.
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An unhappy birthday for Unai .Shame. Lot of folk blaming the defence but for me Ollie has to shoulder an awful lot of it.
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1-8 in our last 2 games against these twats. At least it's only Liverpool away next in the league.
You are usually the good luck omen in match threads
Like the fire I didn't start it, and was only on for the last bit.
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I’ll let them off as they were tired after the League Cup Game.
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Pretty clear Morgan is essential to our team. 1-1 when he went off and we were looking for the winner
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Not going to overreact - it was a bad game that snowballed.
They clearly wanted to stymie our attack by fouling in the middle third.. similar to Man City. They weren’t punished for it.
On the whole, passes out of the back need to be better and we can’t rely on Onana to be everywhere at once to break up play. Not great play on our wings, which could help justify a January purchase. Bailey off form, Jaden struggling a little and Diabys departure leave us asking for a little more.
It’s a shame Morgan had to go off, certainly hurt our shape. Still 2 points ahead and in a decent spot, grand scheme. Need a result in the next two.
Bad day at the office, UTV.
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Simply not good enough. As bad as it has been under Unai.
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That was a horrible second half. Thought we looked really solid first half so not sure what changed.
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Said after ten minutes that it was the worst display of the season, and it got worse from there. Unai has a massive problem against high-pressing teams who smother the midfield.
Good thing it's Liverpool next.
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Well this one can’t be put down to being tired. We’ve had a whole week to prepare and the second half was a a bad as we’ve been under Emery.
A big miss at 1-0 up and then an absolute capitulation against a team that isn’t all that. We need to be much tighter in midfield and much, much better in defence.
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There's a reason nobody plays 4-4-2 any more. It's fucking shit.
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A shit defence. A midfield that was too often overrun second half. Ollie not on it like he was last season. We're not as good as some of the post-Champions League games hype would have you believe.
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We look a mid table team and our form since January backs it up.
The defence is a mess and the rebuild has to start there . Konsa and Mings need to be the 2 CB's and that means Torres is on the bench
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Couldn’t cope with their press. Never had any composure. Why do we not try and win the ball higher up any more?
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Not turned up against decent opposition this season.
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An unhappy birthday for Unai .Shame. Lot of folk blaming the defence but for me Ollie has to shoulder an awful lot of it.
Didn't have him as a Smiths fan. Last night I dreamt that Villa loved me.
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After the last two years, I will excuse Unai for a shit week.
To avoid swearing, will say no more.
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Shit week!
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Emery looked like a rabbit in the headlights today. He had no idea how to counter spurs system. Just carry on as we are and hope for the best.
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Better team won and that capitulation was really poor. Kamara should have been on much earlier, and going two up front when we were being overrun in midfield was baffling.
Depressingly, I'm starting to think we will only win the Champions League this season.
This is what I said to my brother, the last thing we needed was going two up top. Ah well, serves me right to be confident about anything.
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Dismal stuff. That’s 3 games against top 10 teams and we’ve got 1 point. In the league we really haven’t been particularly good this year. We’ve had a nice run of fixtures and played well in patches but we consistently gift terrible goals away and were also off the boil going forward. If our level doesn’t go up significantly we’ll drop away.
Plus two consecutive games where Spurs have humiliated us, brilliant. Zero for pretty much everyone involved except Rogers.
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Dreadful 2nd half. Torres was laughably bad, as was Watkins who is nothing like the player he was last year and gets far too many free passes. Mings and Kamara play against Brugge and I think we need Mings and Konsa back in that defence asap. Try and find a system for Kamara to play alongside Onana, a 4-2-3-1. You have to take the game to teams like Spurs. Fuck around and they'll dick on you.
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Feels like this kind of result has been coming. We didn't capitalise on an easy start, threw points away against newly promoted Ipswich, a chaotic man u, and a - to be fair decent - Bournemouth at the death. Those were poor performances from us and we were due a tonking IMO. We've been far from convincing in the league and we cannot have any complaints today against a team who we will be competing with for another season of European football.
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Thought Onana was good. First half pretty good. Subs ruined us - no natural replacement for Rogers and Pau didn’t cope well with the high press.
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Said after ten minutes that it was the worst display of the season, and it got worse from there. Unai has a massive problem against high-pressing teams who smother the midfield.
Good thing it's Liverpool next.
If it was I’d be less worried. We’ve been rubbish in plenty of games this season, but the opposition has been weak.
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We look a mid table team and our form since January backs it up.
The defence is a mess and the rebuild has to start there . Konsa and Mings need to be the 2 CB's and that means Torres is on the bench
I know our form was 9th Jan-May but isn't it back up to 5th Jan-now? Might be skewed by playing less "big teams".
As awful as the second half was, Spurs are capable of doing this - losing at home before getting a quick-fire salvo of goals in the second half. The points dropped at Ipswich and last week hurt more.
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And now we've got to support Man U FFS to stay 5th. 🤬
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Seem to go worse when cash went off, the defence went to pieces , carlos , konsa and Torres all over the place.
Mcginn rubbish and Watkins rubbish .
Spurs aint that good but obviously made them look like real madrid but could have just been Bolton and still won.
Stop giving the fcukers a week off .
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And now we've got to support Man U FFS to stay 5th. 🤬
Never!
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Second half we offered very little threat going forward, no midfield, and a shit defence.
Other than that though we were ok.
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Got to admit, that's a sore one.
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Is this the beginning of the unravelling or just a blip?
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And now we are seeing not strengthening the team the impact. You let two of your most goal scoring attackers in luiz and diaby go yet bring no one to replace them. What did they think was going to happen?
Honestly that was as a bad as it gets. You rest the team and they go and give us that shite?
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That's the fifth time we've been obliterated since the start of last season. When were bad we do it properly. 1-5, 1-4, 0-4, 0-5, 1-4.
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Konsa laughing and joking with solanke at the end , just fuck that right off
Absolutely agree with this. I love Konsa but that was bang out of order.
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Ah well, if you’re going to shit the bed, you might as well shit every visible inch of it.
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Second half we offered very little threat going forward, no midfield, and a shit defence.
Other than that though we were ok.
There was no link between Ollie and the midfield, and the wings were almost non-existent. Don’t think Youri had enough protection to turn and get forward without getting whacked.
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Felt comfortable at half time as Spurs had offered nothing. Early goal second half was a killer but still felt we could go on and win. Giving 2 goals away from Villa possession is really disappointing at this level. But to say we are only a mid table team is hilarious ..
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Konsa was shit at RB, and Pau went to shit as well. Got to be a strong contender for Pau's worst performance for us.
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Felt comfortable at half time as Spurs had offered nothing. Early goal second half was a killer but still felt we could go on and win. Giving 2 goals away from Villa possession is really disappointing at this level. But to say we are only a mid table team is hilarious ..
We’re not - but we will be if we don’t cut out the incredibly casual play at both ends of the pitch.
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Really poor after the break from everyone involved including the manager.
They were crap so we helped them out by conceding possession every five minutes.
*seconds
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You lost 4-1 ezri and you think its funny?
Cheers ezri
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I’ll let them off as they were tired after the League Cup Game.
To be fair to them, even sitting at home watching that yawnfest on the telly was pretty arduous.
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Just my opinion but if we’d been a bit more bothered in the week about winning a cup competition and playing a few of the players that were rested for today we wouldn’t have lost that 4-1
They knocked Man City out ffs didn’t do them any harm
All this shit about bigger fish to fry and priorities is a load of absolute bollocks
It was bollocks then it’s bollocks now it will always be bollocks
Take every game seriously, winning games in any competition never does any team any harm
We’ve totally fucked up big and proper this week
bigger fish my arse
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Is this the beginning of the unravelling or just a blip?
Losing our second game of the season, what do you think?
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As somebody already said, when we go to shit, we really go to shit. I hope it's out of our system for a while. It feels like the players have been consuming too much positive content about themselves. The gods don't like that kind of thing.
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Some collapse in that second half. Watkins missed a one on one before half time to probably finishes the game. Hard to know where things went wrong after half time, Torres had a complete nightmare for the goals but I thought Emery made a mess of his subs again. We needed Kamara on far earlier to get control into midfield, Duran/Watkins really doesn't work either. Worryingly, Cash and Ramsey who both did well limping of yet again with muscle injuries. Digne was our best player. Terrible tackle on Rogers by that thug Romero hurt us more than them.
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You lost 4-1 ezri and you think its funny?
Cheers ezri
I don’t think for one minute he thinks it’s funny. He was talking to him about the dive for the free kick. Let’s not start ripping these players apart.
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You lost 4-1 ezri and you think its funny?
Cheers ezri
Players are allowed to have lives and laugh with their mates. It's not an affront to anyone, he obviously doesn't think the result is funny does he
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And now we are seeing not strengthening the team the impact. You let two of your most goal scoring attackers in luiz and diaby go yet bring no one to replace them. What did they think was going to happen?
Honestly that was as a bad as it gets. You rest the team and they go and give us that shite?
We weren't in a position to strengthen from a position of strength due to PSR. It's design is to stop clubs going bankrupt but it's outcomes mean teams having to sell promising academy players and first teamers who they can get good money for.
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Is this the beginning of the unravelling or just a blip?
So many players well below what they were last season. Bailey is struggling and Philogene doesn’t look like he can play at this level. Ramsey isn’t what he was yet pre injury. Mcginn not as effective. I thought pre season about 8th might be our level with champions league distraction and that might be optimistic.
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I’m sorry but Ezri Konsa laughing at the end is a disgrace, how anyone can think it’s ok is beyond me.
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You lost 4-1 ezri and you think its funny?
Cheers ezri
I don’t think for one minute he thinks it’s funny. He was talking to him about the dive for the free kick. Let’s not start ripping these players apart.
Probably laughing that Solanke had the balls to square up with Carlos.
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It's great innit, a few weeks ago we were world beaters vs Bayern. Lose today & are crap vs Spuds and no it's all gone to sh*t.
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Is this the beginning of the unravelling or just a blip?
Think he’ll need to work out Onana isn’t the answer. Watkins and Duran can’t play together. May have to choose which games Pau plays. And when you play against Spurs you have to take the game to them not defend on the 18 yard line because nobody can get a grip in midfield.
Very disappointing.
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7 points from the last 15 , worrying stats especially with the games ahead
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You lost 4-1 ezri and you think its funny?
Cheers ezri
Players are allowed to have lives and laugh with their mates. It's not an affront to anyone, he obviously doesn't think the result is funny does he
What about the poor fans who paid all that money, wasted their money going to watch that? Laugh in the changing room dont disrespect the fans and laugh on the pitch
Im sorry but that stuff infuriates me. I wouldnt mind if we lost 1-0 but to get absolutely humbled 4-1 like this i dont like that after you perform like that. They should be angry after that
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Some people just can't wait can they?
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We looked so much like a team that only has one way of playing. When that doesn't work we're screwed.
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Wednesday was Moscow today was Stoke. Okay I might be overreacting. But since when did Villa become too important to take cup competitions seriously? I’m still fcuked off about that.
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You lost 4-1 ezri and you think its funny?
Cheers ezri
Players are allowed to have lives and laugh with their mates. It's not an affront to anyone, he obviously doesn't think the result is funny does he
What about the poor fans who paid all that money, wasted their money going to watch that? Laugh in the changing room dont disrespect the fans and laugh on the pitch
Im sorry but that stuff infuriates me. I wouldnt mind if we lost 1-0 but to get absolutely humbled 4-1 like this i dont like that after you perform like that. They should be angry after that
Come on now. You're being silly, mate.
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We looked so much like a team that only has one way of playing. When that doesn't work we're screwed.
You dont trust Unai, then?
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Some people just can't wait can they?
Clearly not.
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McGinn really poor again , kept turning into trouble, Watkins did nothing other than miss his weekly 1 on 1 . Play like that at Anfield it will be 7 or 8
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We looked so much like a team that only has one way of playing. When that doesn't work we're screwed.
You dont trust Unai, then?
So what if he doesn't? This isn't a cult.
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No need to overreact. That was never a 4-1 game. These score lines don’t mean anything. We should’ve been 3 up at halftime but because it was only 1-0 it was always up for grabs.
I will say this though, for all the talk of a great bench… I’m not sure it’s that gray when we’re chasing a game, Duran aside. And I’ll also say that bringing Rogers off was a rare mistake from the genius - we looked worse with Watkins and Duran on the pitch (bit still should’ve scored at least 1 goal when they were):
Finally, the ref. Awful awful game where he basically let spurs shut down breakaways with rotational fouling without any booking. There were borderline red cards that were not even yellows and they literally kicked us off the pitch. Shocking ineptitude.
Grr. But we’ll finish above these wankers again, regardless of what’s said in the media over the coming week.
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We looked so much like a team that only has one way of playing. When that doesn't work we're screwed.
You dont trust Unai, then?
So what if he doesn't? This isn't a cult.
It was a genuine question. Relax.
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That’s the most positive of positive spins on a really shit performance overall.
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We looked so much like a team that only has one way of playing. When that doesn't work we're screwed.
You dont trust Unai, then?
So what if he doesn't? This isn't a cult.
You won't get a place on the spaceship to Heaven with that attitude.
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And now we are seeing not strengthening the team the impact. You let two of your most goal scoring attackers in luiz and diaby go yet bring no one to replace them. What did they think was going to happen?
Honestly that was as a bad as it gets. You rest the team and they go and give us that shite?
We weren't in a position to strengthen from a position of strength due to PSR. It's design is to stop clubs going bankrupt but it's outcomes mean teams having to sell promising academy players and first teamers who they can get good money for.
We never should have signed diaby then for such a big fee if we were going to be in such deep FFP issues. I love onana but for 50m id rather have kept diaby.
Our attack play looks so slow and bad since he left. How many times would diaby break and cause problems ? We have looked so bad and slow for large periods of the season.
Its just really depressing that we worked so hard to get top four and then appear to be going backwards 😔 still a long way but im still thinking 6th is bwst we can hope for
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And now we've got to support Man U FFS to stay 5th. 🤬
Never!
To be fair it is made slightly easier by them playing Chelsea.
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It's great innit, a few weeks ago we were world beaters vs Bayern. Lose today & are crap vs Spuds and no it's all gone to sh*t.
It’s neither of those things though - we weren’t world beaters when we beat Bayern and we’re not hopeless now. But we do have some fundamental issues around defending and control of the game, which if we don’t address we’ll fall away.
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The defence Is a massive problem this season. We need to find a system that allows Mings to return, not because he is our best defender but because he has great organisational skills, constantly talking to those around him. Carlos made us look even worse at the back today. We have to bring Kamara back ASAP and none of this is helped by the fact Bailey, Watkins and Philogene have not played a decent game yet. Watkins scoring rate one on one has to Improve as our game is designed getting him through the middle
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And now we've got to support Man U FFS to stay 5th. 🤬
I'm still backing a plague of locusts in that game. Green Army!
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Some people just can't wait can they?
Clearly not.
We played crap though
What’s the point in coming on here and pretending we didn’t that’s just stupidity
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We looked so much like a team that only has one way of playing. When that doesn't work we're screwed.
That's not true. We've seen Villa under Emery adapt and change play within games many times before today. Come from a goal down to win more than a few times, too.
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We lost our second game from the first ten.
It was shit but it happens. It doesn't define the season, any more than a win would have done. And there doesn't need to be an immediate finger pointing exercise either
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Wednesday was Moscow today was Stoke. Okay I might be overreacting. But since when did Villa become too important to take cup competitions seriously? I’m still fcuked off about that.
I said this midweek and got crucified by a poster. But i would say this is even worse. At least we drew with stoke !
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Pretty clear Morgan is essential to our team. 1-1 when he went off and we were looking for the winner
I think this is a key point. We looked awful without him and have done every time he comes off.
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Some people just can't wait can they?
Clearly not.
We played crap though
What’s the point in coming on here and pretending we didn’t that’s just stupidity
Nobody is though John, as you seem to do a lot, you create an argument that hasn't been made by anyone and then argue vociferpusly against it.
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Since winning 5-0 at Sheff Utd it's 3 clean sheets in our last 25 league games. No side will ever be even close to being consistently successful with that ropey a defence.
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We lost our second game from the first ten.
It was shit but it happens. It doesn't define the season, any more than a win would have done. And there doesn't need to be an immediate finger pointing exercise either
Hear, hear! Friendly reminder to all, we’re 5th in the league and at the top of the UCL table.
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I’m sorry but Ezri Konsa laughing at the end is a disgrace, how anyone can think it’s ok is beyond me.
If you watch rugby,they thump shit out of each other then shake hands and have a beer and get on, did Ezri play badly ? No
On the day we lost but we are a bloody good team and play with confidence, we will be ok but need to tighten up, Tyrone will help.
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You lost 4-1 ezri and you think its funny?
Cheers ezri
Players are allowed to have lives and laugh with their mates. It's not an affront to anyone, he obviously doesn't think the result is funny does he
What about the poor fans who paid all that money, wasted their money going to watch that? Laugh in the changing room dont disrespect the fans and laugh on the pitch
Im sorry but that stuff infuriates me. I wouldnt mind if we lost 1-0 but to get absolutely humbled 4-1 like this i dont like that after you perform like that. They should be angry after that
Come on now. You're being silly, mate.
I dont think i am mate
You just lost a game 4-1 you dont have a laugh with your mates so all the villa fans who again have been humiliated by spurs. Wait Till later.
Have consideration for the fans thats all i say
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No need to overreact. That was never a 4-1 game. These score lines don’t mean anything. We should’ve been 3 up at halftime but because it was only 1-0 it was always up for grabs.
I will say this though, for all the talk of a great bench… I’m not sure it’s that gray when we’re chasing a game, Duran aside. And I’ll also say that bringing Rogers off was a rare mistake from the genius - we looked worse with Watkins and Duran on the pitch (bit still should’ve scored at least 1 goal when they were):
Finally, the ref. Awful awful game where he basically let spurs shut down breakaways with rotational fouling without any booking. There were borderline red cards that were not even yellows and they literally kicked us off the pitch. Shocking ineptitude.
Grr. But we’ll finish above these wankers again, regardless of what’s said in the media over the coming week.
You didn’t see how badly Rogers limped off the bench at the end of the game then? He might not of wanted to come off, but he had to.
….& in terms of subs he might have put Duran on for a Ollie instead of playing them together if he hadn’t had to take Rogers off.
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Dreadful 2nd half. Torres was laughably bad, as was Watkins who is nothing like the player he was last year and gets far too many free passes. Mings and Kamara play against Brugge and I think we need Mings and Konsa back in that defence asap. Try and find a system for Kamara to play alongside Onana, a 4-2-3-1. You have to take the game to teams like Spurs. Fuck around and they'll dick on you.
I'm not sure about Watkins attitude at all this season. He seems a bit pissy with Duran at his heels. Watching Duran from the bench for a few games might sort it. The two of them together is a waste of time anyway, two strangers picked from the stand would have better interaction.
Torres played himself out of the next PL team anyway, wouldn't be surprised if Emery played him v Brugge to get that debacle out of his system quickly. He lost his head totally today and Emery should have replaced him for his own good.
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No need to overreact. That was never a 4-1 game. These score lines don’t mean anything. We should’ve been 3 up at halftime but because it was only 1-0 it was always up for grabs.
I will say this though, for all the talk of a great bench… I’m not sure it’s that gray when we’re chasing a game, Duran aside. And I’ll also say that bringing Rogers off was a rare mistake from the genius - we looked worse with Watkins and Duran on the pitch (bit still should’ve scored at least 1 goal when they were):
Finally, the ref. Awful awful game where he basically let spurs shut down breakaways with rotational fouling without any booking. There were borderline red cards that were not even yellows and they literally kicked us off the pitch. Shocking ineptitude.
Grr. But we’ll finish above these wankers again, regardless of what’s said in the media over the coming week.
I find it difficult to fathom how the Bournemouth game can have 13 bookings and this one none in the first 65 mins and then what, 2 altogether. The inconsistency is ridiculous.
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Since winning 5-0 at Sheff Utd it's 3 clean sheets in our last 25 league games. No side will ever be even close to being consistently successful with that ropey a defence.
Quite - and it’s general defensive discipline across the team. We are far far too sloppy in defence.
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We looked so much like a team that only has one way of playing. When that doesn't work we're screwed.
That's not true. We've seen Villa under Emery adapt and change play within games many times before today. Come from a goal down to win more than a few times, too.
Talking about today.
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I think we play economically on purpose, conserving energy. It could have worked if not so many players were off it. For example, immediately before the 2-1 goal Watkins had a chance to get behind their defence and fucked it up (again). They broke and scored, courtesy of Konsa playing him onside. Small margins become big ones in that situation when so many are playing stupidly - cue Torres for the 3-1. Game over then.
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We lost our second game from the first ten.
It was shit but it happens. It doesn't define the season, any more than a win would have done. And there doesn't need to be an immediate finger pointing exercise either
It’s the fucking Spurs Villa post match thread you numpty
you just said it was shit yourself then go moaning about people saying it was shit
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We've been in decline since Footy left the site.
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I love Pau, but he was diabolical in the second half. But we made things difficult for ourselves - slow play across the back against Spurs, specifically, is the wrong thing to do.
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As I left the ground on Wednesday I heard quite a few people were saying, yeah but champions league this and champions league that.
The champions league chat was overshadowing the fact we had just been knocked out of a cup.
Now, as absolutely fantastic as it is that we are in it, the CL can’t be a thing that excuses shite performances in league and cup.
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So just for context last season we beat spurs at spurs and arsenal at home. Lost them both. I think thats why some think we are looking worse than last year.
Thw more worrying thing for me was that was us virtually at full strength
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And since mcginn started praising the manager and the manager replied by saying he was shit.
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We've been in decline since Footy left the site.
I think Footy might be the gods, or at least one of them.
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Wednesday was Moscow today was Stoke. Okay I might be overreacting. But since when did Villa become too important to take cup competitions seriously? I’m still fcuked off about that.
And after resting Cash and Ramsey, they both still limped off today anyway.
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Get Tyrone back in to organise the defence ASAP! Hopefully he'll feature at Brugge.
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Can we at least agree Spurs fans are the biggest cry babies when it's not going their way. All they did was boo until they went ahead. 30% of the crowd are Koreans there taking pictures and videos of Son, the rest just boo hiss like we are pantomime villains.
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We've been in decline since Footy left the site.
I get what you mean! It's tough seeing the team struggle, especially after Footy’s departure. But I believe we can turn things around! Let's stay positive and keep supporting the lads—there’s always hope for better days ahead!
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Wednesday was Moscow today was Stoke. Okay I might be overreacting. But since when did Villa become too important to take cup competitions seriously? I’m still fcuked off about that.
And after resting Cash and Ramsey, they both still limped off today anyway.
What was the actual point of forfeiting the cup after witnessing that rubbish today
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I love Pau, but he was diabolical in the second half. But we made things difficult for ourselves - slow play across the back against Spurs, specifically, is the wrong thing to do.
They press very well but you can get at them very easily when you beat it. We just didn’t do it nearly enough, and the side he picked had no pace whatsoever apart from maybe Rogers.
We continue to be very vulnerable down our right side, and teams play on it now.
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We've been in decline since Footy left the site.
I get what you mean! It's tough seeing the team struggle, especially after Footy’s departure. But I believe we can turn things around! Let's stay positive and keep supporting the lads—there’s always hope for better days ahead!
You are admirable stu! Wish i could be like this 😔
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I think we play economically on purpose, conserving energy. It could have worked if not so many players were off it. For example, immediately before the 2-1 goal Watkins had a chance to get behind their defence and fucked it up (again). They broke and scored, courtesy of Konsa playing him onside. Small margins become big ones in that situation when so many are playing stupidly - cue Torres for the 3-1. Game over then.
Yeah Watkins turns straight into trouble rather than using his brain . That said Watkins was shit all game
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We've been in decline since Footy left the site.
Didn't know he'd left. Missed that.
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Our recent league form is worrying. It’s not working.
No where near the level of most of last season.
Conceding easily, not taking chances and little ability to control the game when ahead.
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Ita clear now unai needs to start using his squad. Needs some rotation now because you can't stick with that same starting 11 after that.
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We barely took the game to them. It looked like we went there as the underdogs.
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Wednesday was Moscow today was Stoke. Okay I might be overreacting. But since when did Villa become too important to take cup competitions seriously? I’m still fcuked off about that.
I said this midweek and got crucified by a poster. But i would say this is even worse. At least we drew with stoke !
You got crucified because you chat reactionary bollocks. Eg you now think this is worse than Moscow.
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Not read the thread but
Possibly worst half of football under Unai.
Early goal for them and we never responded. No control in any area of the pitch, didn’t put their makeshift defence under any pressure at any stage, sloppy mistakes and very few positives.
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We barely took the game to them. It looked like we went there as the underdogs.
Emery was saying that in his pre match presser, saying we were underdogs v Spurs and teams like ManUre , I've not heard him like this before , was a bit DOL reminiscent
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Ita clear now unai needs to start using his squad. Needs some rotation now because you can't stick with that same starting 11 after that.
Do you even think about shit like this before posting it?
As recently as a few pages ago on this very thread you were telling us this was “worse than Stoke” - an event you seem to think happened because Unai USED HIS SQUAD.
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We barely took the game to them. It looked like we went there as the underdogs.
Emery was saying that in his pre match presser, saying we were underdogs v Spurs and teams like ManUre , I've not heard him like this before , was a bit DOL reminiscent
Hope that's just mind games and he doesn't actually believe it.
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Not read the thread but
Possibly worst half of football under Unai.
Early goal for them and we never responded. No control in any area of the pitch, didn’t put their makeshift defence under any pressure at any stage, sloppy mistakes and very few positives.
This could have easily been written after either of the previous two games against Spurs.
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We barely took the game to them. It looked like we went there as the underdogs.
We were +250.
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Wednesday was Moscow today was Stoke. Okay I might be overreacting. But since when did Villa become too important to take cup competitions seriously? I’m still fcuked off about that.
I said this midweek and got crucified by a poster. But i would say this is even worse. At least we drew with stoke !
You got crucified because you chat reactionary bollocks. Eg you now think this is worse than Moscow.
What was my original point ? That if we lose it will be as bad as moscow as we forfeited the cup for nothing and behold whats happened we lost despite resting players
So your the only person talking bollocks.
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It’s not “Moscow” for fuck’s sake. We have problems but they are entirely solvable - this isn’t the end of the road type stuff. We need to adjust some things but we still have some excellent players.
I do think we’re short a more dynamic option after letting Diaby leave.
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Been there before, start drawing games we should win and then lose easily.
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Our worst display in the league this srason. Too many individual errors all over the place. We”ll need to hold fire on the statue with any repeat performances. McGinn is right off it and Onana for such a big bloke can’t take a hit at all. Pissed off totally.
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Ita clear now unai needs to start using his squad. Needs some rotation now because you can't stick with that same starting 11 after that.
Do you even think about shit like this before posting it?
As recently as a few pages ago on this very thread you were telling us this was “worse than Stoke” - an event you seem to think happened because Unai USED HIS SQUAD.
What on earth are you talking about ?
So it is factually worse than moscow as we got one point after that against stoke and we lost today. So tell me factually how it isnt worse??
I said we need to use the squad and mix it up as now we have a virtually fulm strwngth squad. we just got spanked 4-1 do you want to see the same 11 players play next week aftee we just got embarrassed 4-1?
Why would any sane person want to after that?
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Our tactics seem to be play the ball into midfield to turn and drive the their defence, Spurs hit the first player, taking the foul and too few bookings.
We were pretty much snuffed out as an attacking force.
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It’s not “Moscow” for fuck’s sake. We have problems but they are entirely solvable - this isn’t the end of the road type stuff. We need to adjust some things but we still have some excellent players.
I do think we’re short a more dynamic option after letting Diaby leave.
Hows it not like moscow? We sacrificed that game for league didnt win and done same today after palace. We could have at least beaten palace if we didnt rest most of the side.
You are solving no problems if you can't defend and keep clean sheets.
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Our tactics seem to be play the ball into midfield to turn and drive the their defence, Spurs hit the first player, taking the foul and too few bookings.
We were pretty much snuffed out as an attacking force.
Yep. And yet, we should've had the game won by HT. And yep, that is why the incompetence of the ref was so crucial. He let Spurs have about 10 free hits before finally booking one of them.
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Our tactics seem to be play the ball into midfield to turn and drive the their defence, Spurs hit the first player, taking the foul and too few bookings.
We were pretty much snuffed out as an attacking force.
Yep. And yet, we should've had the game won by HT. And yep, that is why the incompetence of the ref was so crucial. He let Spurs have about 10 free hits before finally booking one of them.
another problem Watkins chance to goal ratio.
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Our tactics seem to be play the ball into midfield to turn and drive the their defence, Spurs hit the first player, taking the foul and too few bookings.
We were pretty much snuffed out as an attacking force.
Think that ollie miss really hit his confidence as he looked way off pace today. Was expecting ollie to be like dynamite tonight aftee being rested midweek.
He should have been taken off.its clear duran and ollie is not working when both are on the pitch
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We've had a horrible one....we go again..
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They've looked decent together before, last week for starters when Ollie set Durán up. Playing them together when under the cosh at Tottenham never seemed likely to work, though.
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Our tactics seem to be play the ball into midfield to turn and drive the their defence, Spurs hit the first player, taking the foul and too few bookings.
We were pretty much snuffed out as an attacking force.
Yep. And yet, we should've had the game won by HT. And yep, that is why the incompetence of the ref was so crucial. He let Spurs have about 10 free hits before finally booking one of them.
another problem Watkins chance to goal ratio.
You have to accept that he will miss chances I guess. His all round game is so so good, that as annoying as it is, it's worth it. Duran is miles off being as good despite some amazing goals the season. But he had 2 great chances to score today and didn't hit the target.
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If Duran comes on he should've dropped Ollie deeper to play in Morgans position or pushed him wide.
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Got to admit, that's a sore one.
Spurs seemed to have the measure of McGinn's arse.
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Our tactics seem to be play the ball into midfield to turn and drive the their defence, Spurs hit the first player, taking the foul and too few bookings.
We were pretty much snuffed out as an attacking force.
Afraid so. When we did find a midfielder in a bit of space he invariably gave the ball away.
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Wednesday was Moscow today was Stoke. Okay I might be overreacting. But since when did Villa become too important to take cup competitions seriously? I’m still fcuked off about that.
You are over reacting
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Wednesday was Moscow today was Stoke. Okay I might be overreacting. But since when did Villa become too important to take cup competitions seriously? I’m still fcuked off about that.
You are over reacting
Moscow was over 15 years ago ffs
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The one cup we realistically had a chance to win and we rest too many players. I still think it was the right starting 11 but our bench was far too weak and, today proved it really doesn’t make much difference resting that many. From the clubs point of view CL etc is far more important financially. However, as a fan, I really would like us to win a trophy and I think it’s very unlikely to be the CL or EPL and will also, no doubt, throw the FA Cup as we have bigger fish to fry!!
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They've looked decent together before, last week for starters when Ollie set Durán up. Playing them together when under the cosh at Tottenham never seemed likely to work, though.
I can not see how it works for any sustainable period, neither have ability to play the 10 type roll.
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And now we are seeing not strengthening the team the impact. You let two of your most goal scoring attackers in luiz and diaby go yet bring no one to replace them. What did they think was going to happen?
Do you not remember FFP/PSR? We had to sell these players and they both wanted to leave.
Had Diaby stayed he would have got less game time than Morgan and Bailey. Tielemans is giving us as much as Luiz did. Our problems are with how our defensive shape, especially when countered, and our wide players (McGinn, Bailey, Philogene) being out of form.
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Our tactics seem to be play the ball into midfield to turn and drive the their defence, Spurs hit the first player, taking the foul and too few bookings.
We were pretty much snuffed out as an attacking force.
Yep. And yet, we should've had the game won by HT. And yep, that is why the incompetence of the ref was so crucial. He let Spurs have about 10 free hits before finally booking one of them.
another problem Watkins chance to goal ratio.
You have to accept that he will miss chances I guess. His all round game is so so good, that as annoying as it is, it's worth it. Duran is miles off being as good despite some amazing goals the season. But he had 2 great chances to score today and didn't hit the target.
Anyhow Watkins chance to goal ratio is poor and a problem for us.
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Wednesday was Moscow today was Stoke. Okay I might be overreacting. But since when did Villa become too important to take cup competitions seriously? I’m still fcuked off about that.
You are over reacting
Moscow was over 15 years ago ffs
Great now I feel angry about the football and really old. 😟
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Is this the beginning of the unravelling or just a blip?
So many players well below what they were last season. Bailey is struggling and Philogene doesn’t look like he can play at this level. Ramsey isn’t what he was yet pre injury. Mcginn not as effective. I thought pre season about 8th might be our level with champions league distraction and that might be optimistic.
Thought JJ was our best player. Give him the ball to take a player on and he'll win us 30 yards up the pitch and get a shot away (which led to the first corner which led to our goal) or he'll win a free-kick as in the second half. We just didn't feed him enough.
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And now we are seeing not strengthening the team the impact. You let two of your most goal scoring attackers in luiz and diaby go yet bring no one to replace them. What did they think was going to happen?
Do you not remember FFP/PSR? We had to sell these players and they both wanted to leave.
Had Diaby stayed he would have got less game time than Morgan and Bailey. Tielemans is giving us as much as Luiz did. Our problems are with how our defensive shape, especially when countered, and our wide players (McGinn, Bailey, Philogene) being out of form.
I think youri performance wise yes but not goal wise he isnt. I think youri hasnt scored in the league yet. We are missing the goals luiz brings in.
Diaby is a big miss and philogene as not scored any league goals either.
Only one that is helping with the goals is rogers
As for FFP im starting to think we should have cashed in on JJ pure profit that would have sorted us for years and he is becoming very injury prone. 😩 i stress thats a reluctant sale
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I missed the first half but that was rubbish.
Torres and Carlos, particularly, were terrible. Philogene should be switched to full back. He can’t shoot, pass or dribble and isn’t particularly fast, but he proved against Munich he’s a very good defender.
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No need to overreact. That was never a 4-1 game. These score lines don’t mean anything. We should’ve been 3 up at halftime but because it was only 1-0 it was always up for grabs.
1-0 slightly flattered us. 3-0? Behave. Equally, 1-4 doesn't tell the story of the game but they clearly were the better team and deserved it. Emery still hasn't swash-buckled successfully against Postecoglu yet.
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If Duran comes on he should've dropped Ollie deeper to play in Morgans position or pushed him wide.
Isn’t that what happened or was supposed to as you could clearly see Duran say to Watkins that we’ll switch when he came on for Rogers?
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Just having a restorative pint back at Euston. From looking like we’d go on and win it at half time, we just couldn’t live with Spurs press and energy second half and our passing out from the back went to shit. Onwards to Bruges….
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Not great, lack of goals across the team and inability to keep clean sheets.
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We effectively played two games today. One with Rogers and our usual 4-5-1. We drew that game 1-1. Everything was basically fine.
In the other game, Rogers went off, Duran came on, we went 4-4-2, and promptly got humped 3-0.
It's fucking annoying, but no reason to panic because it seems safe to assume Emery won't be doing that shit again.
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Trying to find consolation, all I can come up with is that we played unusually shit, whereas Spurs ARE fucking shit.
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No need to overreact. That was never a 4-1 game. These score lines don’t mean anything. We should’ve been 3 up at halftime but because it was only 1-0 it was always up for grabs.
1-0 slightly flattered us. 3-0? Behave. Equally, 1-4 doesn't tell the story of the game but they clearly were the better team and deserved it. Emery still hasn't swash-buckled successfully against Postecoglu yet.
I’d agree, we played better than them first half but created little, they bashed us second half and scored 4. Some of it was self inflicted but the ball in by Son was on a plate and the feeekick was very good, they were clinical.
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Can we at least agree Spurs fans are the biggest cry babies when it's not going their way. All they did was boo until they went ahead. 30% of the crowd are Koreans there taking pictures and videos of Son, the rest just boo hiss like we are pantomime villains.
Meatball said in his post-match interview that it was the loudest he's heard a home crowd (i.e not Villa). He should be slapped for that before Konsa for bantzing with So-lanky.
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We effectively played two games today. One with Rogers and our usual 4-5-1. We drew that game 1-1. Everything was basically fine.
In the other game, Rogers went off, Duran came on, we went 4-4-2, and promptly got humped 3-0.
It's fucking annoying, but no reason to panic because it seems safe to assume Emery won't be doing that shit again.
We played 5-3-2 last year and that was as big as a disaster. Seems like we dont like these different formations as i agree 4-4-2 we struggled.
Need to dump that experiment as well. Its got to be either duran or ollie not both
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I’m surprised by the view that Rogers going off was a major factor in our loss. I thought he was one of our many players who was unusually shit today.
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Is this the beginning of the unravelling or just a blip?
So many players well below what they were last season. Bailey is struggling and Philogene doesn’t look like he can play at this level. Ramsey isn’t what he was yet pre injury. Mcginn not as effective. I thought pre season about 8th might be our level with champions league distraction and that might be optimistic.
Thought JJ was our best player. Give him the ball to take a player on and he'll win us 30 yards up the pitch and get a shot away (which led to the first corner which led to our goal) or he'll win a free-kick as in the second half. We just didn't feed him enough.
Agree with that, he played well.
I suppose it’s a bit of a concern that the starting 11 today was probably our best, save for trying to squeeze a fully fit Kamara back in and also considering our proper natural wide players are way off it. And we got hammered. It’s been a bit of a theme that when our defence caves in, it really does cave in. We did defend well though until their second. Son’s ball in for the first was pretty unplayable. Still, I’m sure we’ll pick up form again soon although I can’t see much other than similar next Saturday.
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Selling Diaby wasn't the issue, Bailey morphing back into Bailey 2.0 2021 version is the issue
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Despite conceding early in the second I felt we still looked dangerous on the break but once JJ had got in that decent position on the left and passed behind everybody we were never in it after that. This is depressed as I've felt since Nov 2022 but we are still 5th with 28 games left so anything is possible. Definitely think we miss Luiz and Diaby more than I thought we would but then give Kamara more minutes and you never know....
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Selling Diaby wasn't the issue, Bailey morphing back into Bailey 2.0 2021 version is the issue
That’s part of it but many thought Diaby did ok last year, in his first season and would have improved, he went and was replaced by a promising championship player.
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Just my opinion but if we’d been a bit more bothered in the week about winning a cup competition and playing a few of the players that were rested for today we wouldn’t have lost that 4-1
They knocked Man City out ffs didn’t do them any harm
All this shit about bigger fish to fry and priorities is a load of absolute bollocks
It was bollocks then it’s bollocks now it will always be bollocks
Take every game seriously, winning games in any competition never does any team any harm
We’ve totally fucked up big and proper this week
bigger fish my arse
This.
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You players were a fucking disgrace today. After being rested midweek you go and embarrass us like this?
Gutless second half
Just to say, I’m not embarrassed by this group of players.
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That was a bad week.
The problem is when we set our standards and objectives as high as we have, there isnt that much room for error. We have had a very easy start to the season and domestically - we have 1 win in 6 games. We have only played two of the teams we need to be measured against and they have both beaten us comfortably without having to play well. We also got away with a few early ones.
Admitedly you could never describe me as an optomist - but I am slightly worried. I think we really miss luiz and Kamara (the sooner hes back in the team the better). Tielemans has been great, and Im impressed with Onana, but we just cant keep position anywhere nearly as well as we could, our build up play is rarely at the levels of last season, and we cant we play through a half decent press. We have been reverting to going back to front too often and the ball just keeps coming back, and means that our dangerous players arent getting space around the box.
I though Ramsay was good todat - but Bailey not being like last season, and Jayden not looking ready / good enough means we have no options. We have been lucky that Duran is capable of doing incredible things - and that has hidden a lot. That combined with our inability to keep a clean sheet means UCL is probably going to be beyond us.
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You players were a fucking disgrace today. After being rested midweek you go and embarrass us like this?
Gutless second half
Just to say, I’m not embarrassed by this group of players.
Im referring to the performance not the players just to clarify which was embarrassing
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When Spurs upped the intensity in the 2nd half we simply couldn't get the ball out. The midfield seemed to evaporate. Which lead to mistakes. Spurs didn't need to be better, they just worked harder & we played right into it.
A note on the ref, compared to the one last week we might as well been watching a different sport.
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You lost 4-1 ezri and you think its funny?
Cheers ezri
Players are allowed to have lives and laugh with their mates. It's not an affront to anyone, he obviously doesn't think the result is funny does he
What about the poor fans who paid all that money, wasted their money going to watch that? Laugh in the changing room dont disrespect the fans and laugh on the pitch
Im sorry but that stuff infuriates me. I wouldnt mind if we lost 1-0 but to get absolutely humbled 4-1 like this i dont like that after you perform like that. They should be angry after that
I'm not offended by Ezri laughing. I've seen us battered loads, it's football, maybe calm down and don't get offended on others behalf.
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Selling Diaby wasn't the issue, Bailey morphing back into Bailey 2.0 2021 version is the issue
That’s part of it but many thought Diaby did ok last year, in his first season and would have improved, he went and was replaced by a promising championship player.
I think we are missing him and luiz. But diaby more his pace especially when we were counter attacking really helped us last season. We have no one that does it as well and as quickly. JJ and rogers do their best but are not as quick. We tend to slow the play down.
Baileys been a big let down so far this season. Philogene has been nowhere near the standard as of yet. Had one good game rest of season hasnt been good enough
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Just my opinion but if we’d been a bit more bothered in the week about winning a cup competition and playing a few of the players that were rested for today we wouldn’t have lost that 4-1
They knocked Man City out ffs didn’t do them any harm
All this shit about bigger fish to fry and priorities is a load of absolute bollocks
It was bollocks then it’s bollocks now it will always be bollocks
Take every game seriously, winning games in any competition never does any team any harm
We’ve totally fucked up big and proper this week
bigger fish my arse
This.
This x2.
I defended it last season and the previous season as the league truly was the priority. But we've 'done that' now, adding silverware would truly cement the current team as legends.
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And also give vital minutes go players like kamara buendia and mings
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Selling Diaby wasn't the issue, Bailey morphing back into Bailey 2.0 2021 version is the issue
Yeah but that what happens - to expect Bailey to be Bailey to be 23/4 bailey again is a huge ask. Whereas maybe Diaby would have adapt more been better - hes clearly a very good player even if he did struggle at time
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We controlled the game without threatening too much first half, Onana was by far our best player in that half. Second half, as Clark has said l, Son’s cross was brilliant and credit where its due. To be honest after that for twenty minutes I thought we pretty much calmed the waters and again controlled things without creating anything.
Rogers going off changed our shape and control of the match. Torres fell apart in that period, however some of the calls to get him out the side are a bit misguided in my view. Without Torres we dont get the big wins we’ve got in the last year or so, Man City, Arsenal, Bayern etc, his ability to play out from the back is pivotal. But our goals conceded stats can’t be denied. Can Torres and Mings play together with Konsa at RB?
Going forwards we created nothing second half. Its a bit of a concern that there are no easy answers to this, other than Bailey and McGinn playing themselves into Form. Or maybe Onana and Kamara as a double pivot with Tielemans further forwards.
I don’t understand the hysterical comparisons to ‘Moscow’. I was in my mid 30s ffs. A different manager sacrificed a uefa cup tie to focus on and failing to qualify for the champions league. If Emery sacrificed the league cup its to concentrate on doing well in the champions league and to try and qualify again, whilst having a good crack at the competition that we’ve already qualified for, the comparison doesn’t fit at all?
We got battered, it was shit, we’re playing okish whilst sitting in 5th and playing very well in the champions league. Things could be better and a lot worse. There are a lot of hysterical airplane moments going on at the moment.
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Just my opinion but if we’d been a bit more bothered in the week about winning a cup competition and playing a few of the players that were rested for today we wouldn’t have lost that 4-1
They knocked Man City out ffs didn’t do them any harm
All this shit about bigger fish to fry and priorities is a load of absolute bollocks
It was bollocks then it’s bollocks now it will always be bollocks
Take every game seriously, winning games in any competition never does any team any harm
We’ve totally fucked up big and proper this week
bigger fish my arse
This.
I think this is very true
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Selling Diaby wasn't the issue, Bailey morphing back into Bailey 2.0 2021 version is the issue
Yeah but that what happens - to expect Bailey to be Bailey to be 23/4 bailey again is a huge ask. Whereas maybe Diaby would have adapt more been better - hes clearly a very good player even if he did struggle at time
Diaby wanted out and the saudi millions so we had no choice on this , he seemed a sulky type so no point blocking the move
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Or maybe Onana and Kamara as a double pivot with Tielemans further forwards.
I think this should be tried
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I am only consoled by the news that Channel 5 have started to show Christmas films in the afternoon.
Time to bounce back. I pity Brugge; we're going to fucking slaughter them.
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Selling Diaby wasn't the issue, Bailey morphing back into Bailey 2.0 2021 version is the issue
Yeah but that what happens - to expect Bailey to be Bailey to be 23/4 bailey again is a huge ask. Whereas maybe Diaby would have adapt more been better - hes clearly a very good player even if he did struggle at time
Diaby wanted out and the saudi millions so we had no choice on this , he seemed a sulky type so no point blocking the move
Not saying we should have, but we should have replaced him with a similar level - expecting Bailey to repeast his best ever season was always a big risk. I didnt see any issues with Diabys temprament though.
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Or maybe Onana and Kamara as a double pivot with Tielemans further forwards.
I think this should be tried
Yes. Have to bench McGinn then.
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Definitely bigger fish for me. Wycombe away and Palace at home. I was bored senseless and didn't really care. I'm buzzing to up at 3am to fly out Tuesday.
Anyway, today...
Dreadful second half. The persistence in giving the ball away was quote astonishing. Some utter gifts for goals, where in the first half they'd not laid a glove on us nor looked like doing so.
I had a worry Ollie's miss would be a problem, as if we had gone in 2 up, I couldn't see them coming back.
McGinn was poor for me, gave it away plenty. Questions abound about whether he's still got it, especially with Kamara back. Watkins very poor indeed. He struggled to hold it up, fluffed his chances and was easily contained.
We don't do defeats be half.
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Or maybe Onana and Kamara as a double pivot with Tielemans further forwards.
I think this should be tried
The conundrum is how to get the most out of Rogers considerable ability without unbalancing the team.
Whilst Roger’s surging runs look great in the centre I am not convinced it is benefiting our overall shape.
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We effectively played two games today. One with Rogers and our usual 4-5-1. We drew that game 1-1. Everything was basically fine.
In the other game, Rogers went off, Duran came on, we went 4-4-2, and promptly got humped 3-0.
It's fucking annoying, but no reason to panic because it seems safe to assume Emery won't be doing that shit again.
It’s really 4-4-1-1, but I do wonder against the better sides whether we are just too light in the centre and our back four gets exposed too often.
Now Kamara is back, maybe 4-2-3-1 works better with him and Onana as the two and a combination of Ramsey, Tielemans, Rogers, Bailey, Barkley, McGinn in the three.
I agree it feels like Duran and Watkins on together is hard to make work given they both want to the lone striker.
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Appalling second half performance. Too many of our players off form at the minute.
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Struggling to pick our MOTM , possibly Ramsey
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Im gutted.i really did think the players would try to make last seasons 4-0 right. At worse a tight lose. But losing fucking 4-1. Thought those days were behind us. Man 😢
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We really should not be losing to Spudddds. I wonder how much the midweek changes affected the mindset. I wonder how well set up the team was. I look at our last game against Spudddds - a 4-0 defeat at home - and wonder what we learned.
Ange seems to have to had the hex on Emery recently.
I didn't see the game so cannot comment on specifics.
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We really should not be losing to Spudddds. I wonder how much the midweek changes affected the mindset. I wonder how well set up the team was. I look at our last game against Spudddds - a 4-0 defeat at home - and wonder what we learned.
Ange seems to have to had the hex on Emery recently.
I didn't see the game so cannot comment on specifics.
Ange has schooled emery in the last two league games. A slight worry as you know how spurs are going to play as thats all they know. Yet emerys struggling against him.
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Make most of CL football this year then. Spurs are fucking rank as well
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I would have brought Ty on instead of Diego
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Two issues, which are probably interlinked. Players look out of form and our structure is all over the place. This season I felt like at times we’re trying to run before we can walk - flooding forward in attack without that solid defensive foundation. Whatever it takes we absolutely must sort our lack of defensive cohesion and care or we’re simply not going to be able to score enough to maintain positive results.
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We've been in decline since Footy left the site.
I get what you mean! It's tough seeing the team struggle, especially after Footy’s departure. But I believe we can turn things around! Let's stay positive and keep supporting the lads—there’s always hope for better days ahead!
Who are you, and what have you done with my husband that was saying we were shit a couple of hours ago!??
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
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Struggling to pick our MOTM , possibly Ramsey
Digne was very good. Martinez, Cash, Onana all did ok too. Cash and Rogers going off was critical I think. Our defensive line went to absolute bits for an embarrassing second goal. Rogers going off finished any connection our midfield had with our forwards.
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Cash did have a good game and Carlos a poor one, but it's not really about that in the end I'd say. Our whole game was skew-wiff.
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Cash did have a good game and Carlos a poor one, but it's not really about that in the end I'd say. Our whole game was skew-wiff.
2nd half, after Cash (and then even more so, Rogers) went off we looked less robust and susceptible to attacks and less likely to score. But I have to also say that, like with Newcastle last season, we weren't being thrashed. 4-1 flatters them in the extreme.
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Yep, we fell apart when Rogers went off in the way I'd hoped Spurs would when Son and Romero went off.
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Cash did have a good game and Carlos a poor one, but it's not really about that in the end I'd say. Our whole game was skew-wiff.
2nd half, after Cash (and then even more so, Rogers) went off we looked less robust and susceptible to attacks and less likely to score. But I have to also say that, like with Newcastle last season, we weren't being thrashed. 4-1 flatters them in the extreme.
I think it was more about the defence just not coping with the pressure put on them by the team in general not keeping any of the ball. Rogers not releasing that pressure with his runs is surely a part of that.
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Today was a prime example why we need reinforcements in defence. Id upgrade both carlos and cash in summer.
I thought we invested 50m on onana to help on the defensive side of things but we look arguably worse than last year defensively
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Cash did have a good game and Carlos a poor one, but it's not really about that in the end I'd say. Our whole game was skew-wiff.
2nd half, after Cash (and then even more so, Rogers) went off we looked less robust and susceptible to attacks and less likely to score. But I have to also say that, like with Newcastle last season, we weren't being thrashed. 4-1 flatters them in the extreme.
I think it was more about the defence just not coping with the pressure put on them by the team in general not keeping any of the ball. Rogers not releasing that pressure with his runs is surely a part of that.
His runs are great TV but when he loses it we get caught on the counter
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Today was a prime example why we need reinforcements in defence. Id upgrade both carlos and cash in summer.
I thought we invested 50m on onana to help on the defensive side of things but we look arguably worse than last year defensively
I thought Onana was our best player today.
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A little worried about our fitness. Emery's patient build up is great for conserving energy when we do it effectively. I think since he's been here our distance covered has been consistently near the bottom of the division, which basically means we're efficient in how we get results (for the most part).
But as Spurs showed today and the last time out, if we're pressed hard and have to chase the ball more, and if the opposition shift gears in the 70th minute, we look fucked.
Are we fit enough? 3 matches a week is one thing, but I'm thinking more within a single 90 minutes. Ordinarily, we're good at conserving and then we hit the gears up in the second half and have effective subs. But if we've used up too much and get overloaded (and the subs aren't effective) then it's an issue. Yeah, probably more so against top 8 opposition.
Today was a bit of a throwaway though. Energy levels aside, to concede that early in the second half was poor concentration (not for the first time). By the time they hit their third, Watkins was done in. Onana couldn't match his first half brilliance. Tielemens was out of puff. On top of that, there's those players working their way back from long term injuries. Considering we're effectively on a clean bill of health and most of the team were rested midweek, they didn't half look done in, during the second half.
I think we may have to adapt the system when we play clubs like Spurs with how high they press.
McGinn out on the right just doesn't work either.
As for Spurs, I will enjoy a week of garish praise lavished on them returning as a top 4 contender, only to drop points at home to Ipswich. The commentary team today were overfuckingjoyed that Spurs won.
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Today was a prime example why we need reinforcements in defence. Id upgrade both carlos and cash in summer.
I thought we invested 50m on onana to help on the defensive side of things but we look arguably worse than last year defensively
I thought Onana was our best player today.
He certainly wasnt the worst but i thought he would deeply help with the defensive side of things as we lacked that physicality and height last year. We are conceding far too many goals.
We need kamara back asap.
I think mcginn could be in trouble as i think the three should be onana Tielemans and kamara when he is fit
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
He was shit after Xmas until the end of the season. Fuck him. He wanted out, let him carry on getting splinters on his arse at Juve.
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
Yep it’s very true. I always rated Doug, and in the first half of last season the control he brought alongside Kamara was immense.
Tielemans and Onana are really talented but have different attributes, knowing when to control the game isn’t instinctive to them. Tielemans can play some sublime passes and is superbly creative, but there were a few times today when we needed a foot of the ball and we just didn’t do it.
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
He was shit after Xmas until the end of the season. Fuck him. He wanted out, let him carry on getting splinters on his arse at Juve.
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
You alone knew the value of Luiz. If only everyone had your insight, and if the club is reading, you know who to put in charge of future transfer policy.
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Today was a prime example why we need reinforcements in defence. Id upgrade both carlos and cash in summer.
I thought we invested 50m on onana to help on the defensive side of things but we look arguably worse than last year defensively
I thought Onana was our best player today.
He certainly wasnt the worst but i thought he would deeply help with the defensive side of things as we lacked that physicality and height last year. We are conceding far too many goals.
We need kamara back asap.
I think mcginn could be in trouble as i think the three should be onana Tielemans and kamara when he is fit
Agree on McGinn. Just not at it this season. Kamara + Onana + Tielemans is the best combo for me in the midfield.
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
I dont think it is a coincidence that the first half of last season - where we were outstanding - so was luiz
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First one - maybe McGinn can get tighter on the cross, Konsa is blaming Martinez not for coming for the cross (maybe with reason) but he should be dealing with it anyway at the front post. Torres bullied at back post.
Second goal - Torres goes walkabout to start with leaving a huge gap in the line that Spurs play through, Konsa now at RB caught behind the line plays them onside, Solanke sits Martinez down a little easily
Third goal - all on Torres who is at sea by now, first pass to Ramsey is nearly caught, second pass to Onana was never on, nice pull back by Richarlison. Game over
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
He was shit after Xmas until the end of the season. Fuck him. He wanted out, let him carry on getting splinters on his arse at Juve.
Harsh. Very harsh. Why so harsh to him man? You are speculating that he wanted out. Think we had no choice due to FFP. What about the first half of the season? Or the 4+ years before that ? Why you only basing it in 2-3 months of his villa career?
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
I dont think it is a coincidence that the first half of last season - where we were outstanding - so was luiz
Absolutely. Dougie was a top player for us. Gutted we had to sell him and diaby in same season. We have lost out on 15 goals from our midfield.
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
I dont think it is a coincidence that the first half of last season - where we were outstanding - so was luiz
That and Kamara being fit and playing.
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
You alone knew the value of Luiz. If only everyone had your insight, and if the club is reading, you know who to put in charge of future transfer policy.
I suppose they should just close down the forum. None of us should dare have an opinion on the club we support. Let's leave everything to the club
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
You alone knew the value of Luiz. If only everyone had your insight, and if the club is reading, you know who to put in charge of future transfer policy.
I suppose they should just close down the forum. None of us should dare have an opinion on the club we support. Let's leave everything to the club
Exactly. Well said 👏
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What a difference a week makes. See the game out and win against Bournemouth and things are looking just great. Tonight we're all wondering wtf is going on. In the league we just haven't got going, played some of the sides in the bottom half of the table and struggled to get wins, but have got points on the board without looking convincing. Watkins, Bailey, McGinn not really at the races. Tielemans and Rogers on the other hand have done great. I don't think we've got the chemistry yet in midfield, but we have got enough quality. Hopefully we sort out this right back situation instead of messing up the whole of the defence if Cash goes off or is injured, Konsa is No 1 CB for me not a utility player. If Ned isn't up to starting in the PL we need to get someone in January.
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Today was a prime example why we need reinforcements in defence. Id upgrade both carlos and cash in summer.
I thought we invested 50m on onana to help on the defensive side of things but we look arguably worse than last year defensively
I thought Onana was our best player today.
He certainly wasnt the worst but i thought he would deeply help with the defensive side of things as we lacked that physicality and height last year. We are conceding far too many goals.
We need kamara back asap.
I think mcginn could be in trouble as i think the three should be onana Tielemans and kamara when he is fit
Agree on McGinn. Just not at it this season. Kamara + Onana + Tielemans is the best combo for me in the midfield.
Agree.
And also agree with your point about Luiz very much.
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
You alone knew the value of Luiz. If only everyone had your insight, and if the club is reading, you know who to put in charge of future transfer policy.
I suppose they should just close down the forum. None of us should dare have an opinion on the club we support. Let's leave everything to the club
Exactly. Well said 👏
It's just that you're going on and on endlessly making largely the same point.
You then go on so long, you start to contradict yourself. "Palace was this season's Moscow" or whatever it was, followed by how Unai needs to "manage his squad", failing to see the conflict between those two statements.
It's just endless and after about 2 uninterrupted hours of it, it starts to get people reacting because it just drags everyone down.
Yes yes yes, we all get your point(s).
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Today was a prime example why we need reinforcements in defence. Id upgrade both carlos and cash in summer.
I thought we invested 50m on onana to help on the defensive side of things but we look arguably worse than last year defensively
I thought Onana was our best player today.
He certainly wasnt the worst but i thought he would deeply help with the defensive side of things as we lacked that physicality and height last year. We are conceding far too many goals.
We need kamara back asap.
I think mcginn could be in trouble as i think the three should be onana Tielemans and kamara when he is fit
Agree on McGinn. Just not at it this season. Kamara + Onana + Tielemans is the best combo for me in the midfield.
Agree.
And also agree with your point about Luiz very much.
Luiz is a big loss, he had a poor second half of the season but that first half was basically the complete midfielder. Alongside Kamara they were brilliant together.
The combination at the moment has some real quality, but cannot control the tempo of the game.
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You don’t have to read any one’s points
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Today was a prime example why we need reinforcements in defence. Id upgrade both carlos and cash in summer.
I thought we invested 50m on onana to help on the defensive side of things but we look arguably worse than last year defensively
I thought Onana was our best player today.
He certainly wasnt the worst but i thought he would deeply help with the defensive side of things as we lacked that physicality and height last year. We are conceding far too many goals.
We need kamara back asap.
I think mcginn could be in trouble as i think the three should be onana Tielemans and kamara when he is fit
Agree on McGinn. Just not at it this season. Kamara + Onana + Tielemans is the best combo for me in the midfield.
Agree.
And also agree with your point about Luiz very much.
Luiz is a big loss, he had a poor second half of the season but that first half was basically the complete midfielder. Alongside Kamara they were brilliant together.
The combination at the moment has some real quality, but cannot control the tempo of the game.
Correct
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
You alone knew the value of Luiz. If only everyone had your insight, and if the club is reading, you know who to put in charge of future transfer policy.
I suppose they should just close down the forum. None of us should dare have an opinion on the club we support. Let's leave everything to the club
Exactly. Well said 👏
It's just that you're going on and on endlessly making largely the same point.
You then go on so long, you start to contradict yourself. "Palace was this season's Moscow" or whatever it was, followed by how Unai needs to "manage his squad", failing to see the conflict between those two statements.
It's just endless and after about 2 uninterrupted hours of it, it starts to get people reacting because it just drags everyone down.
Yes yes yes, we all get your point(s).
i keep having to mention moscow asits getting mentioned over and over so i have to repeat the explanation of the comparison.
I dont know what your actual point is this is a football forum to discuss the game? Ive made various different points today not the same that you are alluding to. Its just having a go . Im not trying to bring anyone down and not looking to argue with anyone either. Im just deeply disappointed how things are going.
There has been negativity and positively tonight. One win in 5 is not good, failing to keep clean sheets in the league is not good and as others have said we havent really started in the league so far. We were flying at this stage last season. Conceding four goals in one half is really bad.
The CL has been massively positive just wish we xould circulate to the league.
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You don’t have to read any one’s points
Its quite hard not to when they take up 3/4s of the thread.
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Agree, the Kamara Luiz combination with SJM playing different roles was phenomenal.
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Oh and if there is karma that psycho Romero is due a pretty bad time. A horrible piece of shit.
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Today was a prime example why we need reinforcements in defence. Id upgrade both carlos and cash in summer.
I thought we invested 50m on onana to help on the defensive side of things but we look arguably worse than last year defensively
I thought Onana was our best player today.
He certainly wasnt the worst but i thought he would deeply help with the defensive side of things as we lacked that physicality and height last year. We are conceding far too many goals.
We need kamara back asap.
I think mcginn could be in trouble as i think the three should be onana Tielemans and kamara when he is fit
Agree on McGinn. Just not at it this season. Kamara + Onana + Tielemans is the best combo for me in the midfield.
Agree.
And also agree with your point about Luiz very much.
Luiz is a big loss, he had a poor second half of the season but that first half was basically the complete midfielder. Alongside Kamara they were brilliant together.
The combination at the moment has some real quality, but cannot control the tempo of the game.
Agreed, the Luiz/Kamara was outstanding. We dominated pretty much everyone with those two in there. To be fair, Tielemans has been very good so far this season but he got overran in there after half time. Emery had an ideal opportunity when Rogers got injured to swap in Kamara and push Tielemans forward but he went with Duran and we paid the price. Onana has been mixed so far but thought he was decent today.
There was issues in midfield today but keystone cops stuff at the back cost us the game today.
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I've got a feeling this season will be the opposite of last season, so up to Christmas so-so, after Christmas kick on. .....hopefully.
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Can't believe Bentancur got away with not being booked. The ref had ample opportunity. Not saying that it would have made a difference but him and his colleague at centre-back were dirty bvstards.
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Thought we got it just about right first half, except for Ollie, away team, we were composed and very tight at the back, we contained them, Spurs are not idiots, so onto the second half, the failing of the second half far outweighed the good of the first half, we looked very poor indeed, we lost total grasp of the game, Spurs where not any better, didn't do anything different, Villa lost the game, for me far to much reliance is being placed on Ollie, the squad doesn't have enough depth to it, enough quality, we need to get to January and back into the transfer window.
For me we should have beaten Palace and took that competition seriously, big mistake and we should have at least lifted a point from today.
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short memories on here, Luiz was pretty poor after xmas and was in and out for 2 years until Unai rocked up. Tielemans is an infinite upgrade on Luiz he just had a bad day at the office today, they all did .
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We seem to be a soft touch at the moment in games generally,I noticed Mings against palace giving out a few rollickings to players and that's what we seem to be missing
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Missing Moreno much more than Luiz. Didn’t give Moreno long enough to come back from his injury.
Should have kept him and spent the Maatsen money on a top notch right back
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Doesn't count on Percy's stat list as we had let one in when Cash went off. But Konsa was rubbish yet again when he went in RB defensively and offensively. All pace went out of the centre when Carlos went in there too, one mistake and we are done.
Cash has become far too injury prone, that's a worry with Kosta still a bit off PL level. Interesting selection decisions in the CB spots over next few weeks, need to find a solid partnership.
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A lot is made about Postecoglu's half-time adjustments ("the best I've ever seen" according to Joseph Hart). Emery and his staff would surely have expected Spurs to go for the throat from the off, I think it was expecting a lot for the defence and Onana to double their efforts for the second half.
McGinn's arse-turns weren't working in the first half and he has no pace to give us an outlet on the right, Bailey or Philogene should arguably have come on at that point.
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Missing Moreno much more than Luiz. Didn’t give Moreno long enough to come back from his injury.
Should have kept him and spent the Maatsen money on a top notch right back
good shout that
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I've got a feeling this season will be the opposite of last season, so up to Christmas so-so, after Christmas kick on. .....hopefully.
Yes, on reflection that seems a fair shout. If we can get to maybe 32-33 points by game 19 we'd be right in the hunt.
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Missing Moreno much more than Luiz. Didn’t give Moreno long enough to come back from his injury.
Should have kept him and spent the Maatsen money on a top notch right back
Nope, that makes absolutely zero sense.
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Missing Moreno much more than Luiz. Didn’t give Moreno long enough to come back from his injury.
Should have kept him and spent the Maatsen money on a top notch right back
Excellent shout. I miss all those 'cut back' goals that came via Moreno down the left.
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short memories on here, Luiz was pretty poor after xmas and was in and out for 2 years until Unai rocked up. Tielemans is an infinite upgrade on Luiz he just had a bad day at the office today, they all did .
TBF for about 6 months he was the best mf Ive seen in my lifetime for villa - and I think that was a big part of why we were so good during that spell
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Also Tielemans and Luiz are different players. If Tielemans gets to the level Doug did in the first half of last season he’ll have done exceptionally well.
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A player that made 11 starts? Righto.
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Missing Moreno much more than Luiz. Didn’t give Moreno long enough to come back from his injury.
Should have kept him and spent the Maatsen money on a top notch right back
Nope, that makes absolutely zero sense.
At the moment Maatsen seems an odd signing given what limited cash we had - I think its one for the future + digne's been excellent.
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Gutted.
The sacrifice of the League cup leaves a bit of a bad taste that we got beaten 4-1.
First half Spuds were booed off and we were great.
SUE must have talked a plan for the 2nd and staggered subs / formation to win the game.
He didn’t count on us conceding within 4mins!
The crowd then woke up and the ref then simply blew for a foul every time we broke as they chopped us down..
That and Watkins missing his usuals. Makes your teeth grind.
Can’t remember which Spud twat went in 2 footed but that should have been a red.
Watkins and Duran just didn’t gel but we didn’t know that.
Cash going off also unbalanced us a bit.
Just can’t see anything in Phil. Is he trying too hard ? Is he out of his depth?
Bailey is just a passenger and nowhere near last season’s form which means we have reduced attacking options.
Pau had a bad game. It happens.
Kept giving it away in midfield 2nd half.
Maddison always scores against us so that was inevitable.
I think (based upon our current form) we’ll get a draw against Brugge and another loss against 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
Regroup and hopefully get the win against Palace at home to kick on the rest of the year.
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Also Tielemans and Luiz are different players. If Tielemans gets to the level Doug did in the first half of last season he’ll have done exceptionally well.
Tielemans is already miles ahead , his CV is proof enough
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
You alone knew the value of Luiz. If only everyone had your insight, and if the club is reading, you know who to put in charge of future transfer policy.
I suppose they should just close down the forum. None of us should dare have an opinion on the club we support. Let's leave everything to the club
Exactly. Well said 👏
It's just that you're going on and on endlessly making largely the same point.
You then go on so long, you start to contradict yourself. "Palace was this season's Moscow" or whatever it was, followed by how Unai needs to "manage his squad", failing to see the conflict between those two statements.
It's just endless and after about 2 uninterrupted hours of it, it starts to get people reacting because it just drags everyone down.
Yes yes yes, we all get your point(s).
i keep having to mention moscow asits getting mentioned over and over so i have to repeat the explanation of the comparison.
I dont know what your actual point is this is a football forum to discuss the game? Ive made various different points today not the same that you are alluding to. Its just having a go . Im not trying to bring anyone down and not looking to argue with anyone either. Im just deeply disappointed how things are going.
There has been negativity and positively tonight. One win in 5 is not good, failing to keep clean sheets in the league is not good and as others have said we havent really started in the league so far. We were flying at this stage last season. Conceding four goals in one half is really bad.
The CL has been massively positive just wish we xould circulate to the league.
You said he needs to manage his squad.
He did this on Wednesday.
You didn't like it and started - ridiculously - going on about Moscow and today being Stoke. Which is absurd on two levels, at least.
You mean - Unai should manage his squad in the way that you would?
And yes, we're all fucking pissed off losing to these twats, but it's one match in a season of 38. We have been beaten 4 at home to these in Unai's time, and even by Leicester IIRC.
We're sixth or wherever, and top of the Champions League, and we're only 9 matches into the season.
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Villa spent months and months trying to get Luiz to sign another deal, and he didn't want to.
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Also Tielemans and Luiz are different players. If Tielemans gets to the level Doug did in the first half of last season he’ll have done exceptionally well.
Tielemans is already miles ahead , his CV is proof enough
Not really, as I say he hasn’t performed like Luiz did for the first half of last year.
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A player that made 11 starts? Righto.
Moreno?
Well all summer we were being lectured about money being tight, PSR, FFP you name it so surely it's legitimate to ask why we spent £37m on a left back when we had two good left backs and maybe were more in need of a right full back?
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Missing Moreno much more than Luiz. Didn’t give Moreno long enough to come back from his injury.
Should have kept him and spent the Maatsen money on a top notch right back
Nope, that makes absolutely zero sense.
At the moment Maatsen seems an odd signing given what limited cash we had - I think its one for the future + digne's been excellent.
I get the point on Maatsen, but I think that was a case of strike while the iron is hot.
The bit I don’t get is saying we’re really missing Moreno. We’re not.
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
You alone knew the value of Luiz. If only everyone had your insight, and if the club is reading, you know who to put in charge of future transfer policy.
I suppose they should just close down the forum. None of us should dare have an opinion on the club we support. Let's leave everything to the club
Exactly. Well said 👏
It's just that you're going on and on endlessly making largely the same point.
You then go on so long, you start to contradict yourself. "Palace was this season's Moscow" or whatever it was, followed by how Unai needs to "manage his squad", failing to see the conflict between those two statements.
It's just endless and after about 2 uninterrupted hours of it, it starts to get people reacting because it just drags everyone down.
Yes yes yes, we all get your point(s).
i keep having to mention moscow asits getting mentioned over and over so i have to repeat the explanation of the comparison.
I dont know what your actual point is this is a football forum to discuss the game? Ive made various different points today not the same that you are alluding to. Its just having a go . Im not trying to bring anyone down and not looking to argue with anyone either. Im just deeply disappointed how things are going.
There has been negativity and positively tonight. One win in 5 is not good, failing to keep clean sheets in the league is not good and as others have said we havent really started in the league so far. We were flying at this stage last season. Conceding four goals in one half is really bad.
The CL has been massively positive just wish we xould circulate to the league.
You said he needs to manage his squad.
He did this on Wednesday.
You didn't like it and started - ridiculously - going on about Moscow and today being Stoke. Which is absurd on two levels, at least.
You mean - Unai should manage his squad in the way that you would?
And yes, we're all fucking pissed off losing to these twats, but it's one match in a season of 38. We have been beaten 4 at home to these in Unai's time, and even by Leicester IIRC.
We're sixth or wherever, and top of the Champions League, and we're only 9 matches into the season.
Ive already covered this a few times. Let me clarify again. I said rotation not 90% of the side as was the case Wednesday night. We had two senior players JJ and cash on the bench that didnt even get off the bench. What harm would it have done to have ollie and a few other senior players on the bench? When i said rotation im not talking about the level of Wednesdays game. Im talking about maybe two or three for example maatsen kamara and mings for digne mcginn and pau (just an example) Thats a reasonable amount of rotation without going to the levels of Wednesday night.
Its frustrating paulie. We lost 4-0 last season so was expecting we learned from that game but yet again we fall apart against these arseholes (who i dislike more than most teams. Ive been getting ruined by my spurs mates all day ergh)
For me its not all doom and gloom just yet as your rightly say CL has been awesome (i have stated this today) and still doing OK in league. But we certainly need to improve quick!
1 win in 5 we need to improve here if we want CL again.
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Moreno had another good game yesterday in a side that's ahead of us in the table. Maatsen is getting about as many minutes as Moreno would have done had he stayed.
Easy to say now but for the £35m we spent on a LB, I think I would have kept Alex and got someone to replace Diaby better than Philo and Leon are managing at the moment.
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How will Percy's Diego v Cash stats be reflected today? When the latter went off, were we losing or drawing?
Not good, but there’s a hell of a lot of credit in the stats bank for Carlos. Cash was good today anyway, Son did fuck all in the first half, as did Spurs in general. At half-time I thought it was going to be a rope-a-dope masterclass like the last two games there.
The only criticism I could aim (partly) at Cash was that between them, him and SJM could have made a better fist of stopping the cross for the equaliser. Similarly, Konsa seemed to be telling Emi not to try and cut it out and Digne didn’t follow his man in at the far-post. But that’s all harsh IMO, because you can often break down goals like that, including the ones we consider brilliant play because we’ve scored them.
So I’ll not be slagging or bigging up anyone in isolation today. We were all shit second half.
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Put me in a right mood that twatting has. Niggly team full of goofy instagram celebration wankers. And we keep tossing them goals. Hate football tonight.
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For me its not all doom and gloom just yet
Phew.
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For me its not all doom and gloom just yet
Phew.
Made me chuckle.
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For me its not all doom and gloom just yet
Phew.
Id hate to see it when it is
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For me its not all doom and gloom just yet
Phew.
Anything to get your blood pressure down my friend 😘
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Clearly missing Luiz and Diaby's goal contributions. Nowhere near replacing them.
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Diaby's pace in particular. Without him and Bailey we are really one paced. Philogene I understand we needed a FFP fix but he isn't looking like he's going to contribute anything this season.
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Diaby's pace in particular. Without him and Bailey we are really one paced. Philogene I understand we needed a FFP fix but he isn't looking like he's going to contribute anything this season.
Dont want to right him off just yet but man he just does not look premier league quality at the moment
He cant even beat a player, loses ball cheaply qnd general overal game hasnt been up to. scratch. Cant see him being here next summer if he doesnt improve
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Having slept on it i'm still fuming. The one stat i keep thinking off is our shots on goal, apart from the tap in i can't remember one. What's happened to the free wheeling attacking Aston Villa? Europe has gone to our head methinks, the players think they are better than they are, this may turn out to be the result we needed because we have been treading water for some time without really getting punished.
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15 goals conceded, 2 more than Palace in 17th place, tells you where the problem is. Luiz scored 22 goals in 5 seasons, his highest tally last year when he was the penalty taker. Diaby scored 6 goals. Decent players but not golden boot contenders. Rogers will out score Diaby comfortably. Get organised at the back and we'll be OK.
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Having slept on it i'm still fuming. The one stat i keep thinking off is our shots on goal, apart from the tap in i can't remember one. What's happened to the free wheeling attacking Aston Villa?
If the midfield cant get a grip on the game you aren't going to create many chances and the defence will be put under pressure.
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Having slept on it i'm still fuming. The one stat i keep thinking off is our shots on goal, apart from the tap in i can't remember one. What's happened to the free wheeling attacking Aston Villa?
If the midfield cant get a grip on the game you aren't going to create many chances and the defence will be put under pressure.
Agree, games are won and lost in midfield, and despite us having good players there it is not functioning the way it did last year.
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15 goals conceded, 2 more than Palace in 17th place, tells you where the problem is. Luiz scored 22 goals in 5 seasons, his highest tally last year when he was the penalty taker. Diaby scored 6 goals. Decent players but not golden boot contenders. Rogers will out score Diaby comfortably. Get organised at the back and we'll be OK.
100% agree about your point about where the problem lies. Defence for sure. Its scandalous how many we have conceded already this season
What i found worrying was how little pressure we put on spurs back four. I mean it was shitty ben davies and dragustin at cb
How are we struggling to put pressure on them?
Even if dougs goals were pens he scored some crucial goals for us. Diaby his pace is badly missed
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the 4th goal , the only highlight was when they all jumped over Cov lad and he was more worried about keeping his syrup straight before doing his wanky dart throw thing
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https://www.skysports.com/football/video/19530/13247692/tottenham-hotspur-4-1-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
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the 4th goal , the only highlight was when they all jumped over Cov lad and he was more worried about keeping his syrup straight before doing his wanky dart throw thing
The Darts bollcoks should be an automatic 3 match ban
Insighting violence
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the 4th goal , the only highlight was when they all jumped over Cov lad and he was more worried about keeping his syrup straight before doing his wanky dart throw thing
The Darts bollcoks should be an automatic 3 match ban
Insighting violence
i was about to put my size 10's through the TV
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the 4th goal , the only highlight was when they all jumped over Cov lad and he was more worried about keeping his syrup straight before doing his wanky dart throw thing
The Darts bollcoks should be an automatic 3 match ban
Insighting violence
I turned it off as soon as as I saw it hit the net.
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We need Kamara back into this side regularly as quickly as possible. And find a means for Mings to play in defence with both Konsa and Torres.
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15 goals conceded, 2 more than Palace in 17th place, tells you where the problem is. Luiz scored 22 goals in 5 seasons, his highest tally last year when he was the penalty taker. Diaby scored 6 goals. Decent players but not golden boot contenders. Rogers will out score Diaby comfortably. Get organised at the back and we'll be OK.
100% agree about your point about where the problem lies. Defence for sure. Its scandalous how many we have conceded already this season
What i found worrying was how little pressure we put on spurs back four. I mean it was shitty ben davies and dragustin at cb
How are we struggling to put pressure on them?
Even if dougs goals were pens he scored some crucial goals for us. Diaby his pace is badly missed
Doug has 0 assists/ 0 goals in 7 appearances for Juve, and the Turin press are saying he is a waste of money. Get him back in January on the cheap..
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Having slept on it i'm still fuming. The one stat i keep thinking off is our shots on goal, apart from the tap in i can't remember one. What's happened to the free wheeling attacking Aston Villa?
If the midfield cant get a grip on the game you aren't going to create many chances and the defence will be put under pressure.
Agree, games are won and lost in midfield, and despite us having good players there it is not functioning the way it did last year.
if Watkins puts his 1 on 1 away its 2-0 and the game is totally different . He misses too many of these and todays effort wasn't even close
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15 goals conceded, 2 more than Palace in 17th place, tells you where the problem is. Luiz scored 22 goals in 5 seasons, his highest tally last year when he was the penalty taker. Diaby scored 6 goals. Decent players but not golden boot contenders. Rogers will out score Diaby comfortably. Get organised at the back and we'll be OK.
100% agree about your point about where the problem lies. Defence for sure. Its scandalous how many we have conceded already this season
What i found worrying was how little pressure we put on spurs back four. I mean it was shitty ben davies and dragustin at cb
How are we struggling to put pressure on them?
Even if dougs goals were pens he scored some crucial goals for us. Diaby his pace is badly missed
Doug has 0 assists/ 0 goals in 7 appearances for Juve, and the Turin press are saying he is a waste of money. Get him back in January on the cheap..
I would take him back happily. Clearly hasnt settled there. It happens.
Has flopped bad so far but i think will turn it around
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Luiz wanted out , get over it .
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I think we do lack a bit of pace when we turn teams. We’ve got a lot of players who are quick without being express pace. Maatsen is, but as a left back who’s bedding in it’s not really where you want the only option.
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15 goals conceded, 2 more than Palace in 17th place, tells you where the problem is. Luiz scored 22 goals in 5 seasons, his highest tally last year when he was the penalty taker. Diaby scored 6 goals. Decent players but not golden boot contenders. Rogers will out score Diaby comfortably. Get organised at the back and we'll be OK.
How many assists? Whose supplying them now?
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the 4th goal , the only highlight was when they all jumped over Cov lad and he was more worried about keeping his syrup straight before doing his wanky dart throw thing
Never a foul in the first place and Solanke had the cheek to start on Carlos after he blatantly dived. And Pau seemed determined to give the ball away for their third. He had two attempts to find a Villa player and failed twice.
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Having slept on it i'm still fuming. The one stat i keep thinking off is our shots on goal, apart from the tap in i can't remember one. What's happened to the free wheeling attacking Aston Villa?
If the midfield cant get a grip on the game you aren't going to create many chances and the defence will be put under pressure.
Agree, games are won and lost in midfield, and despite us having good players there it is not functioning the way it did last year.
if Watkins puts his 1 on 1 away its 2-0 and the game is totally different . He misses too many of these and todays effort wasn't even close
Also the one where Digne puts in a lovely cross which he failed miserably to get anything on it. Really really poor from Ollie.
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There's a reason why Diaby was a £50m player. We do miss him a bit. FFP dictated we had to make that choice. Today is shit, Tottenham are wankers. We will improve.
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15 goals conceded, 2 more than Palace in 17th place, tells you where the problem is. Luiz scored 22 goals in 5 seasons, his highest tally last year when he was the penalty taker. Diaby scored 6 goals. Decent players but not golden boot contenders. Rogers will out score Diaby comfortably. Get organised at the back and we'll be OK.
How many assists? Whose supplying them now?
Our goals for isn't the issue, 17 is ok, it's the goals against. Diaby has scored 1 in Saudi, Luiz 0 in Italy. Tielemans will out score Luiz from open play. Rogers will out score Diaby. Both provide assists. Teams in the bottom half of the table scoring regularly against us is the problem atm.
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Having slept on it i'm still fuming. The one stat i keep thinking off is our shots on goal, apart from the tap in i can't remember one. What's happened to the free wheeling attacking Aston Villa?
If the midfield cant get a grip on the game you aren't going to create many chances and the defence will be put under pressure.
Agree, games are won and lost in midfield, and despite us having good players there it is not functioning the way it did last year.
if Watkins puts his 1 on 1 away its 2-0 and the game is totally different . He misses too many of these and todays effort wasn't even close
Also the one where Digne puts in a lovely cross which he failed miserably to get anything on it. Really really poor from Ollie.
That was a really odd one - I rewatched it a few times and have no idea how he made such a hash of it.
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Having slept on it i'm still fuming. The one stat i keep thinking off is our shots on goal, apart from the tap in i can't remember one. What's happened to the free wheeling attacking Aston Villa?
If the midfield cant get a grip on the game you aren't going to create many chances and the defence will be put under pressure.
Agree, games are won and lost in midfield, and despite us having good players there it is not functioning the way it did last year.
if Watkins puts his 1 on 1 away its 2-0 and the game is totally different . He misses too many of these and todays effort wasn't even close
Even if he had just taken another touch it was a nailed on penalty. Although with that ref, who knows?
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I think the one after three minutes was the better chance. Any half decent contact on the Digne cross and it's in.
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Although I agree that the real problem is how many goals we're leaking. I hope Kamara's return goes a long way to resolving that particular issue.
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Annoyed. I can’t stand them lot.
Worried as soon as they scored we were going to come away with nothing.
Liverpool up next. Great.
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Annoyed. I can’t stand them lot.
Worried as soon as they scored we were going to come away with nothing.
Liverpool up next. Great.
Then our next away game vs chelsea. Two terrible results last two. I just dont understand how this team falls to shit when we play spurs. We dont just lose to them we get battered by them when we lose. 8-1 last two games. Thats abysmal.
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We have an extremely soft underbelly. It has been noticeable in games even that we have won this season that we have not pressed much, we lack intensity. Whether this is the coaching strategy or whether we are not fit enough, we have often played at a walking tempo.
Results wise has been ok but we have not had a fully convincing performance in the league all season.
We need to match teams in terms of aggression or we are going to come seriously unstuck.
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Not good was it? We seem to take a couple of batterings a season under Unai. Let's hope that one is out of the way for a few months and we bounce back quickly like we tend to under him.
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So a dismal half a game down in London which meant a slightly subdued trip back north. However on reflection some scores on the doors:
Martinez - 6 am worried that with our constant need to play out from the back he isn’t being encouraged enough to vary his out ball.
Cash - 6 played well I thought until he had to come off, had Son in his pocket in the first half.
Konsa - 5 ok but do worry about him being shifted constantly between right and centre back.
Torres - 4 not a good game for Pau.
Digne - 6 I thought Luca had a good game as
Most of the issues were not on his side and he kept Johnson pretty quiet. He was inacres of space for most of the second half and much to his constant frustration everyone ignored him.
Onana - 6 I felt ironically this was his best performance for us as firstly he lasted beyond half time and he was much better on the ball than previous matches.
Tielemans - 5 not Youris day yesterday, everything he tried just didn’t seem to work.
Rogers - 5 has got to start linking play better yesterday was a case in point. Loses possession far too frequently.
Ramsey - 6.5 my player of the match for us, I thought he worked Porro who I rate as a RB very well and was a constant outlet for us.
McGinn - 4 good first half, terrible in the second
Watkins - 4 lack of service didn’t help but skewed that shot badly first half and kept taking the wrong option in the second.
Carlos - 4 pretty average
Bailey - 5 worked some good positions but his lack of delivery is showing some rustiness
Philogene - 3 ran around to not a lot of effect.
Kamara - 5 getting back up to speed
Durán - 4 a bit like Philogene but at least added some physicality.
Unai - 5 needs a bit of rethink on that midfield and imv an over reliance on Rogers and the constant cutting the ball back delivery in the box.
There’s always going to be bumps in the road on the road to World Domination.
Also a round of applause for the referee who seemed to want to keep his cards in his pocket no matter what which after last weeks referee performance was unbelievable.
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Random thoughts:
- Re left back, I was thinking about this after seeing Moreno's performance for Forest on Saturday. The Maatsen purchase does look a little strange in the context of PSR and the Digne-Moreno situation.
- Re substitutions, it has appeared to me that UE seems to have decided before the game, almost, who will be replaced by whom and at what time. Taking Ramsey off seemed weird: was he struggling with a niggle? Duran for Rogers didn't make sense given that the MF was so under pressure.
- I'm a big fan of Nedeljkovic: on Wednesday he looked defensively very sound and also seemed to find good pockets of space. If Cash has an injury issue, I'd be giving the boy some more gametime rather than losing Konsa's pace and game-reading skills at CB.
- I've said before: I don't get why Bailey and Philogene are so reluctant to get to the byline and put the ball in or pull it back for an oncoming midfielder. Is this playing to instructions or a confidence thing? Weird stuff. Right now, the front three has to be the three which started yesterday.
- No Buendia again: UE doesn't seem to trust him.
- The comments above about the season to date: we seem to have sacrificed defensive surety for a more risky, swashbuckling approach of quick passing triangles interspersed with long balls into the channels. Neither is working that well and piles more pressure on the defence. Now that Kamara is fit, I would - like others - like to see him start with Onana and Tielemans.
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Can't believe Bentancur got away with not being booked. The ref had ample opportunity. Not saying that it would have made a difference but him and his colleague at centre-back were dirty bvstards.
Bentancur not getting a yellow was ridiculous. That it took until the 58th minute for a yellow even more so.
That Udogie for repeated fouling didn't get one was nuts too.
It's not the first time this season that we've been roughed up and the opposition have been allowed to get away with it; teams are cottoning on to the ManC method of rotational fouling it seems.
xG was 2.44 v 1.86 yesterday, suggesting a closer game than it looks from the scoreline and seems about right, only because our heads went in the last 15 minutes was the scoreline what it was.
Can't really explain that either, other than the lack of Rogers holding the ball.
Our finishing wasn't what it could have been, that Watkins dragged shot was such a shame, the pass and his first touch were spot on.
They were bound to pile the pressure on and press us as much as they did, and they did it very well. I thought we coped really well in the first half and limited them to sniffs here and there.
Son's ball in was inch perfect, it was a good goal. That got their tails up, and they went for it, whereas we seemed to drop off. They tried things and it worked, we tried things and it didn't.
We move on, no wholesale changes needed, no kn-jerk reactions required from Emery. We're a good side that had an off half.
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Random thoughts:
- Re substitutions, it has appeared to me that UE seems to have decided before the game, almost, who will be replaced by whom and at what time. Taking Ramsey off seemed weird: was he struggling with a niggle? Duran for Rogers didn't make sense given that the MF was so under pressure.
Rogers was injured wasn't he from the Romero assault? He might not have gone off straight away and thought he could run it off, but went down again just before the sub. Not sure who else on the bench could have been sent on instead. I suppose Kamara could have come on then instead, although Watkins could also have dropped back a bit as well. Although Duran going on without Romero being there should have bullied the defence, we just forgot to play them in.
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One significant concern I have is that when Morgan Rogers is substituted, we tend to lose some of his driving force, despite the fact that he still has areas to improve. It’s clear that Emery is focused on developing the partnership between Watkins and Duran, and he’s acknowledged that this is a work in progress. However, I’m beginning to question whether this partnership has the potential to succeed based on their current performances. Additionally, I feel that deploying McGinn out wide on the right disrupts our overall balance.
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I sometimes wonder if Ramsey could play more centrally, to replace Rogers. He can certainly drive forward and retains possession pretty well too.
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Form seems to the be the root cause of our issues, McGinn, Bailey and Watkins just aren't at the levels we saw in our peak 2023 run. When we are crap going forward it defeats the purpose of having Pau Torres as a progressive centre back, and when you combine that with Tielemans and Onana being less capable at shielding than Luiz and Kamara you start shipping more goals too.
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Not a good week for us culminating in yesterdays performance.
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This result stings. Hate this result. Bring back the all conquering side of 12 months ago!
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We aren't balanced up front at the moment. Rogers and JJ do a similar job of running with the ball, but the pace we had with Bailey and Diaby missing - which stretched the opposition and gives Watkins more space to play in, is missing.
Then at the back we just can't get the balance right - with Kamara's return let's hope that returns.
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I think Romero’s challenge should be a red. It goes beyond “cynical” for me because it’s actively dangerous to challenge like that.
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Random thoughts:
- Re left back, I was thinking about this after seeing Moreno's performance for Forest on Saturday. The Maatsen purchase does look a little strange in the context of PSR and the Digne-Moreno situation.
- Re substitutions, it has appeared to me that UE seems to have decided before the game, almost, who will be replaced by whom and at what time. Taking Ramsey off seemed weird: was he struggling with a niggle? Duran for Rogers didn't make sense given that the MF was so under pressure.
- I'm a big fan of Nedeljkovic: on Wednesday he looked defensively very sound and also seemed to find good pockets of space. If Cash has an injury issue, I'd be giving the boy some more gametime rather than losing Konsa's pace and game-reading skills at CB.
- I've said before: I don't get why Bailey and Philogene are so reluctant to get to the byline and put the ball in or pull it back for an oncoming midfielder. Is this playing to instructions or a confidence thing? Weird stuff. Right now, the front three has to be the three which started yesterday.
- No Buendia again: UE doesn't seem to trust him.
- The comments above about the season to date: we seem to have sacrificed defensive surety for a more risky, swashbuckling approach of quick passing triangles interspersed with long balls into the channels. Neither is working that well and piles more pressure on the defence. Now that Kamara is fit, I would - like others - like to see him start with Onana and Tielemans.
I think a lot of that can be put down to managing the squad with two other big games coming up this week.
I thought we were good in the first half but conceded sloppily straight after the break. Injuries then disrupted us and although the score line was a bit harsh Spurs deserved the win.
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I think the problem was more we couldnt keep the fucking ball. Last year we were great at taking the sting out of games by keeping the ball - but we struggle to do that without luiz and kamara.
I dont think some realise what luiz bought to this side. Id take him back in a heart beat
He was shit after Xmas until the end of the season. Fuck him. He wanted out, let him carry on getting splinters on his arse at Juve.
Harsh. Very harsh. Why so harsh to him man? You are speculating that he wanted out. Think we had no choice due to FFP. What about the first half of the season? Or the 4+ years before that ? Why you only basing it in 2-3 months of his villa career?
For a lot of spells in his career with us, Luiz wasn't trusted by either Dean Smith or Gerrard (to a certain extent) in having the discipline to play the defensive mid role in the team and found himself spending quite a few games on the bench. It was only when Kamara came along that he had an upturn in form and was trusted to play in the side without having to play the main defensive midfied role.
Was it by any chance that his form seemed to tail off after Kamara got his bad injury?
Luiz reverted to type from then on for most of that second half of the season.
It was also known that Villa had been offering him a new deal. However, it seemed he was not interested. This I'm sure was one of the main decisions by the management to let him go, thereby easing the FFP issue that we had at the time.
For me, Luiz was no great loss and I much preferred that it was he who was sacrificed for FFP rather than either Ramsey or Watkins.
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Luiz was a huge loss, in terms of what he brought at his best. The tail end of Unai’s first season and the first half of last he was exceptional and brought control to the midfield that we don’t have now. Him and Kamara complemented each other perfectly. Following Kamara’s injury and his loss of form we just haven’t recovered that control and in that time our defensive play has really suffered.
Clearly he’s not here anymore, but with Kamara’s return we need to work out how the midfield can give us control again.
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I think Romero’s challenge should be a red. It goes beyond “cynical” for me because it’s actively dangerous to challenge like that.
Ripped his own boot open doing at and also cracked his own foot, idiotic thug . Same as the short fella at ManUre .
How Bentancur escaped a booking for the foul on Ramsey i will never know
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We lost the physical battle. Tottenhams hatchet men Romario and Bentancur make a massive difference for them. You want big lads like Onana to get stuck in on them but he went missing for most part. Spurs were regularly smashing us in midfield on breakaways. Tag team. There was one moment where Watkins wriggled away his man (who had tried to flatten him) only to be smashed by someone else!
McGinn was idiotic for the spurs goal, he waves Cash away to follow the overlapping full back but that just created a gap for Son to thread the cross. He should of lunged in or something. That cross was superb it had so much pace and whip it had goal written all over it. I thought Son was on the way down his last couple of season, but he still has that moment of terror in his boots.
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Tottenham reminded very much of Chelsea last season by closing us down very rapidly and stopping our midfield from gaining any form of control and as a result turning possession over and putting our defence under undue pressure, which in the first half we were able to handle, but clearly in the second half the defence didn't exactly cover itself with glory. The miss from Watkins proved very costly.
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I'd say that we lost the physical battle only because the referee forgot he had a yellow card in his pocket and it took 3 violent and dangerous lunges before he found it. They weren't physical, they were dirty bastards throughout the game. And yet their fans continue to bore on about Matt Cash - just one more reason to despise them.
I'm annoyed about the result and will be for a while, but like Newcastle last season, we didn't deserve the 4-1. If Watkins scores the relatively straightforward ones first half and we win that game comfortably. And hopefully no season ending injuries from yesterday, albeit it could've been different had Bentancur / Remero had their way.
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Did the Maatsen signing have an eye on the Premier League accountants? Not saying we didn't want him, just that we did PSR-friendly deals which meant he became available with compliance benefits for both sides. Or maybe I've made that up.
Annoying as yesterday was, it's nothing in comparison to spending three-quarters of this century producing varying degrees of guff. We've over performed for two years and are currently slightly under-performing against those two. But we've gone from a club that could finish anywhere between 7th and 17th to one that is comfortably top half and a good bet for top four. No side has gone from dirge to domination in a straight line. We'll get there, or at least have fun trying.
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Whilst not brilliant, but at half time, we looked pretty comfortable and should half been 2 up, if Ollie had put away that easy chance. The second half was an absolute shambles, just glad Son didn't play the full 90 mins. Torres had probably his worst game for us, McGinn hasn't played well all season, while JJ was one of our better players yesterday, he is still some distance from finding his best form and Ollie, by his very high standards, has been poor most of the season. The good thing is Kamara is now fit and hopefully will find his best form very soon. Just a word about Maddison's superb goal, can't remember the last time a Villa player scored a similar free kick.
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I don't like Spurs!
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Did the Maatsen signing have an eye on the Premier League accountants? Not saying we didn't want him, just that we did PSR-friendly deals which meant he became available with compliance benefits for both sides. Or maybe I've made that up.
It appears that it was tied into them paying what we asked for Omari Kellyman, I'm not sure if either transfer would have happened individually.
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Whilst not brilliant, but at half time, we looked pretty comfortable and should half been 2 up, if Ollie had put away that easy chance. The second half was an absolute shambles, just glad Son didn't play the full 90 mins. Torres had probably his worst game for us, McGinn hasn't played well all season, while JJ was one of our better players yesterday, he is still some distance from finding his best form and Ollie, by his very high standards, has been poor most of the season. The good thing is Kamara is now fit and hopefully will find his best form very soon. Just a word about Maddison's superb goal, can't remember the last time a Villa player scored a similar free kick.
Conceding seconds after the restart was schoolboy and unprofessional, totally asleep and let Son easily put a cross in and everyone ball watching. That set the tone for what was to follow
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Did the Maatsen signing have an eye on the Premier League accountants? Not saying we didn't want him, just that we did PSR-friendly deals which meant he became available with compliance benefits for both sides. Or maybe I've made that up.
It appears that it was tied into them paying what we asked for Omari Kellyman, I'm not sure if either transfer would have happened individually.
Well if that is the case the deal we got was miles better.
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As someone else said when we go to shit we really go full Spud in Trainspotting. Not satisfied with one player not stopping Son’s cross we let two not stop it instead.
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I don't like Spurs!
All out the fucking woodwork today , they forget their Spurzzzy name
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Maatsen seems like a younger version of the type of attacking left back Moreno is. Digne is not going to be first choice for ever, it really doesn’t seem that complicated to me, maybe I’m missing something?
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Maatsen seems like a younger version of the type of attacking left back Moreno is. Digne is not going to be first choice for ever, it really doesn’t seem that complicated to me, maybe I’m missing something?
I think You are missing the fact that we have Konsa deputising as a Right Back because of Cash,s limitations when we had 2 perfectly decent left backs.
We used a lot of our PSR allowance on the LB position which was not an essential, the RB situation was and remains so.
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Maatsen seems like a younger version of the type of attacking left back Moreno is. Digne is not going to be first choice for ever, it really doesn’t seem that complicated to me, maybe I’m missing something?
Hey, I rate Maatsen, and I think he and Kosta are going to be stars for us. The question being pondered is simply one of priorities in the summer transfer dealings. And, yes, I get that the Maatsen deal was probably inextricably linked to selling Kellyman.
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I think Romero’s challenge should be a red. It goes beyond “cynical” for me because it’s actively dangerous to challenge like that.
It was a rotten challenge. He had no chance of getting anywhere near the ball, high, late and at full force. Rogers limped off soon after and a dangerous counter attack was stopped. Hopefully Romero broke his foot in doing it so some bit of karma involved. Romero is a complete thug as is Martinez at Old Trafford. Filthy challenge on Palmer yesterday too, only a yellow but he literally left his mark on his knee for no reason.
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I sometimes wonder if Ramsey could play more centrally, to replace Rogers. He can certainly drive forward and retains possession pretty well too.
His first touch is looser than Rogers which could be a problem losing the ball in dangerous spots. I thought Ramsey played well but Id like to see him really put Porro under pressure after his early yellow. His predecessor on the left was a genius at that. Worrying to see him limping off again.
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Porro was booked in the second half and Ramsey didn't see much of the ball once Spurs equalised.
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I think Romero’s challenge should be a red. It goes beyond “cynical” for me because it’s actively dangerous to challenge like that.
It was a rotten challenge. He had no chance of getting anywhere near the ball, high, late and at full force. Rogers limped off soon after and a dangerous counter attack was stopped. Hopefully Romero broke his foot in doing it so some bit of karma involved. Romero is a complete thug as is Martinez at Old Trafford. Filthy challenge on Palmer yesterday too, only a yellow but he literally left his mark on his knee for no reason.
If it were the other way around they'd be booing our player every time we played them for about 6 fucking years.
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I don't like Spurs!
Me neither. It's imperative we beat them in the return fixture.
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Maatsen seems like a younger version of the type of attacking left back Moreno is. Digne is not going to be first choice for ever, it really doesn’t seem that complicated to me, maybe I’m missing something?
I think You are missing the fact that we have Konsa deputising as a Right Back because of Cash,s limitations when we had 2 perfectly decent left backs.
We used a lot of our PSR allowance on the LB position which was not an essential, the RB situation was and remains so.
No I don’t think so. As we know Unai likes a lopsided defence and doesn’t really want his RB attacking. I think he likes Konsa there, I dont think he plays him there out of necessity. I think the whole need for a new RB is an endless debate that circulates in these ere parts, but is largely irrelevant to him wanting a younger version of Moreno.
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Porro was booked in the second half and Ramsey didn't see much of the ball once Spurs equalised.
He had one run but kind of passed it inside to nobody in the box. Smith on co-comm made the point that was the time to take on Porro and commit him to a risky challenge.
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Seemed to me both teams played that 'high risk, high reward' game, they committed lots of players to the press and we try and play through it, and if we do there are chances for us, but in the second half, we didn't. We made mistakes, they make the chances, we take a gubbing.
For all the progress we do still seem to have a result like that in us, and it always seems to be against Spurs.
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Cant stand spurs. For me its likw losing to blose
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15 goals conceded, 2 more than Palace in 17th place, tells you where the problem is. Luiz scored 22 goals in 5 seasons, his highest tally last year when he was the penalty taker. Diaby scored 6 goals. Decent players but not golden boot contenders. Rogers will out score Diaby comfortably. Get organised at the back and we'll be OK.
100% agree about your point about where the problem lies. Defence for sure. Its scandalous how many we have conceded already this season
What i found worrying was how little pressure we put on spurs back four. I mean it was shitty ben davies and dragustin at cb
How are we struggling to put pressure on them?
Even if dougs goals were pens he scored some crucial goals for us. Diaby his pace is badly missed
Doug has 0 assists/ 0 goals in 7 appearances for Juve, and the Turin press are saying he is a waste of money. Get him back in January on the cheap..
until he plays us . Bound to score.
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Annoyed. I can’t stand them lot.
Worried as soon as they scored we were going to come away with nothing.
Liverpool up next. Great.
Then our next away game vs chelsea. Two terrible results last two. I just dont understand how this team falls to shit when we play spurs. We dont just lose to them we get battered by them when we lose. 8-1 last two games. Thats abysmal.
Nailed pn to lose against Chelsea. We never win on my Birthday. My 40th was the 2-1 away to the shit in the LC quarter final.
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Despite being under pressure, thought we looked very composed first half and seemed to up the tempo when we fancied it. As others have said, on another day, Ollie puts those two chances away and it’s a different game. Hard to be too harsh though, he’s come through for us so often in the past.
When they equalised (filthy cross, that), I didn’t feel that the game had swung in such a way as to end up 4-1. However, I do feel that we lost the initiative during the stoppages and substitutions that began around the 55 mark and seemed to go on for about 10 minutes. For once, Unai seemed to misread the room. Bringing Duran on for Rogers seemed unnecessarily adventurous - it’s usually our late charge gambit - and we lost our shape as a result. As we could no longer get a foothold in midfield, having two forwards on the pitch was pointless.
With the benefit of hindsight, stiffening up midfield with Kamara and pushing Tielemans further forward might have been a better move. That would also have better supported the Bailey for McGinn switchover.
Sloppy stuff from Pau, but maybe that’s what happens when your centre backs are constantly playing in a strip ten yards from their own box. Was wondering if he’d get pelters à la Carlos… apparently not.
Telly went off as soon as the fourth hit the net. There was no way I was watching that “celebration”.
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Filthy cross ? we gave him all the time in the world to do what he wanted , it was utterly pathetic defending
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Son having time to line it up doesn’t alter the fact that it was a very high quality delivery.
On a side note - too painful to watch the highlights - who should have been picking up Johnson for that goal?
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Son having time to line it up doesn’t alter the fact that it was a very high quality delivery.
On a side note - too painful to watch the highlights - who should have been picking up Johnson for that goal?
Watch Torres.... Konsa and Martinez were shit for it too, mind.
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Wasn’t Konsa telling everyone to leave it?
Having flashbacks. :(
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Filthy cross ? we gave him all the time in the world to do what he wanted , it was utterly pathetic defending
It can be both. It’s a brilliant cross, the angle, pace etc are superb. It’s also really poor defending.
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Filthy cross ? we gave him all the time in the world to do what he wanted , it was utterly pathetic defending
It can be both. It’s a brilliant cross, the angle, pace etc are superb. It’s also really poor defending.
Yep, there’s plenty of occasions when a player has time on the ball to put a cross in, or make a pass for that matter and completely cocks it up. Credit where it’s due, it was a cross of real quality.
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Wasn’t Konsa telling everyone to leave it?
Having flashbacks. :(
Well he was out of position to start with as that ball shouldn't be going past the front post but Martinez should have come off his line too. Konsa seemed to be doing a lot of pointing in Martinez direction during and after. It was an excellent cross that caused huge panic but a number of our players should have done better.
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Can we lock this thread please 😳😃
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It was small margins on Sunday. I thought we looked good, then lost our heads a little and they got their tails up. Could have easily been the other way. And it was loud ;-)
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We missed our big chances first half and paid the price with woeful defending 2nd half .
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...or at least in the last fifteen minutes.