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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on October 30, 2024, 09:53:01 PM
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I’m absolutely sick to death of us effectively throwing the cups every year. Just so what we can get to the last 16 of the CL and 4th at best.
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Chin up!
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Take the bloody cups seriously for once! Feel sorry for the people that go.
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Heroes are Mings, Kamara and McGinn - the adults in the room - together with Ned, who I thought was very good, and Duran. Gold stars to all.
No stars for Buendia, so often caught in possession. Philogene was too lightweight (made Bailey look like a rock) and his decision making was appalling - criminal to pass up this opportunity to shine. Wasn’t impressed by Gauci in general and felt he might have done better with both goals. Maatsen had an unusually poor night, with a lot of misplaced passes.
Everyone else, passable.
We could have beaten these lot, even with all the changes.
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Another miserable Emery domestic cup team selection and result.
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I’m absolutely sick to death of us effectively throwing the cups every year. Just so what we can get to the last 16 of the CL and 4th at best.
Oh gutted. Bring back mid table and a touch of relegation, them were the days.
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A sad night for me. After two years of blind happy clapping this is the first night of the Emery era that I find myself a bit disappointed.
It's so frustrating. I'm getting on and I want to see a Villa captain hoist a cup over his head. If not now, when?
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I’m absolutely sick to death of us effectively throwing the cups every year. Just so what we can get to the last 16 of the CL and 4th at best.
Oh gutted. Bring back mid table and a touch of relegation, them were the days.
Well now that we have a good team maybe some silverware can join the collection?
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My last 3 games in the Holte:
Stevenage 1-2
Everton 1-2
Tonight.
Sorry everyone.
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Not impressed at all.
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Not overly bothered, be very difficult to win anyway looking at the teams in the last 8. Unai I think is looking at the bigger picture to try and avoid burn out like last season, hence giving most of the starters the night off. Encouraged by Mings and Kamara as we will need them.
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I’m absolutely sick to death of us effectively throwing the cups every year. Just so what we can get to the last 16 of the CL and 4th at best.
Oh gutted. Bring back mid table and a touch of relegation, them were the days.
It’s great yes. Of course it is. No one is saying any different. But football used to be about winning cups. Remember that?
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My last 3 games in the Holte:
Stevenage 1-2
Everton 1-2
Tonight.
Sorry everyone.
Need to put a photofit on the turnstiles: do not let this man in.
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Shit performance, but I'm struggling to care.
Buendia isn't good enough for where we were, let alone where we are are or where we are headed. I hope he gets a great move soon.
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Gauci 3, Kosta 6, Carlos 3, Mings 7, Maatsen 6, Kamara 7, McGinn 5, Bailey 5, Philogene 3, Buendia 2, Duran 6. Unfair to mark the three young lads who came on.
We are hugely reliant on Rogers and Ramsey at the moment for any creativity. Kamara isnt too far off starting in the PL team.
I know Palace won but the cameo Schlupp put in could go viral. Carrying a serious amount of timber too.
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Absolutely piss poor and unacceptable. I like Emery but that was taking the piss especially out of anyone forking out to go there and watch such utter shite .
Pathetic. Another trophy chance falls away meekly .
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Made an effort to go, took the boys as it’s half term, didn’t know Emery was going to take the piss. A very disappointing night. Stop treating us fans like garbage Unai.
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As I said on the other thread - more disapointed by the performance. A lot of poor performances by players that are in and around the first team. Beundia has no future with us. Jayden is looking out his depth, thought its early days. Carlos again showing issues with his concentration. Ian (who has been good of the bench), and Ned probably showing why there not getting starts in PL.
Mings and Kamara looked good considering. If we beat Spurs then fair enough - but we domestically last 5 games we have beaten one of Bournemouth, Palace, Man Utd, Ipswich and Fulham and 1 clean sheet. Really we should be doing better than that, particularly given our squad is full strength.
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Full strength tonight with the week we have ahead? Behave.
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The decision to leave Watkins at home watching Emmerdale was bizarre considering all other teams had main players on the bench. Liverpool bought salah on when winning 2-0 for example.
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2-1 to Palace was the most nailed on predictable score line of all time. You could have bet your entire life savings on it. I wish I had done. Not that I have many but that’s another story.
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Not overly bothered, be very difficult to win anyway looking at the teams in the last 8. Unai I think is looking at the bigger picture to try and avoid burn out like last season, hence giving most of the starters the night off. Encouraged by Mings and Kamara as we will need them.
Damn sight easier than the CL and League. Absolute surrender by Unai and co tonight (as usual in the domestic cups). Oh well, let’s try and win the competition for the most improved turnover this season.
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Full strength tonight with the week we have ahead? Behave.
A little depth on the bench would have been nice , TBF
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Gauci's performance tonight makes me pine for Olsen. Jumped over the first one, and then sort of did nothing at all for the second. Rubbish.
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Made an effort to go, took the boys as it’s half term, didn’t know Emery was going to take the piss. A very disappointing night. Stop treating us fans like garbage Unai.
Looks like you were right with your comments before kick off!
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That team should have been good enough to win that game but there was some utter poor performances from certain players. Happy to see tyrone and the san andres kamara finish the game but think buendia will be loaned to Norwich at this rate.
I was gutted to see JAden at Hull last season the way he was playing but didnt do himself any favours tonight .
Would have liked to see the likes of Olie, JJ, Youri and Morgan come for at least 20 minutes , not sure why sticking them on the bench would have really hurt.
Anyway feel for the fans , not so much who Emery picked but how shit most of them played.
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If you're trailing with around 30 minutes to go, at least have a bench full of first teamers to choose from! Only Cash and Ramsey with real experience there, and Emery leaves them on the bench. Entirely predictable. A waste of time playing the domestic cups as Villa simply don't take them seriously.
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Gauchi 6,5
Ned 6,5 Carlos 6,5 Mings 7 Maatsen 6,5
Bailey 6,5 McGinn 7 Kamara 8 Jaden 6
Buendia 4,5
John Duran 7
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My last 3 games in the Holte:
Stevenage 1-2
Everton 1-2
Tonight.
Sorry everyone.
Need to put a photofit on the turnstiles: do not let this man in.
If he got a good view of captain chaos, Diego Carlos, tonight then it may have been worth it.
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It’s just a revenue game at Villa these days. Cup wins don’t matter.
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I guess all went to plan as far as the Club is concerned. Don’t know how we’re supposed to win trophies though although I’ll eat my words if we do win the CL.
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What was with black sabbath back of the shirt? I thought that was cool as i like black sabbath.
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I really feel for all the fans that went tonight. It was just as pathetic as Everton last season
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Watching Will Hughes run all over your midfield is the stuff of nightmares. I'm more disappointed with this than after Stevenage given the depth of resources we now have . It's absolutely pathetic.
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Take the bloody cups seriously for once! Feel sorry for the people that go.
I do feel sorry for anyone paying and having to schlep back and forth to Aston on a work night in winter but maybe we’re just taking other things seriously. Withdrawing isn’t a serious consideration so we have to prioritise.
As I’ve said elsewhere, all means nothing if we don’t show up against Spurs and Brugge though.
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Pretty poor - disjointed, which isn’t surprising, but also looked disinterested at times. We need to turn up against Spurs now.
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If you're trailing with around 30 minutes to go, at least have a beach full of first steamers to choose from! Only Cash and Ramsey with real experience there, and Emery leaves them on the bench. Entirely predictable. A waste of time playing the domestic cups as Villa simply don't take them seriously.
Supporters pay their money and, quite rightly, expect their team to make an effort to win. The last 20 minutes, with Palace completely dominant, were an insult to those fans.
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Went tonight.
Not bothered about the selection at all.
Disappointed in those that played. That back four should have been able to keep a clean sheet. I do not understand the obsession with passing out from the back. Even statistically it can’t be justified as we concede so many goals from sloppy giveaways.
Tonight showed how much we will miss Torres, Tielemans and Watkins if injured.
V disappointed in McGinn, Jaden and Buendia in addition to the defence.
Can’t work out what’s wrong with Bailey. Still wonder about a hernia.
I’ve seen us win the League Cup three times but would certainly prioritise the other competitions.
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
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Gauci's performance tonight makes me pine for Olsen. Jumped over the first one, and then sort of did nothing at all for the second. Rubbish.
Just seems an odd pick up from our scouting department. Keepers playing under Emery have to be good with the ball at their feet, this kid seems scared stiff of passing the ball. Doesnt seem that athletic off his line either.
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Take the bloody cups seriously for once! Feel sorry for the people that go.
I do feel sorry for anyone paying and having to schlep back and forth to Aston on a work night in winter but maybe we’re just taking other things seriously. Withdrawing isn’t a serious consideration so we have to prioritise.
As I’ve said elsewhere, all means nothing if we don’t show up against Spurs and Brugge though.
Next season i think a majority of our fans will give the carabao a miss as we dont give a shit about this competition as a club so why should the fans.
Sets a poor example
Just hope we dont lose sunday otherwise im gonna be a tad bit pissed off we rested players for nothing
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All I know is that, before Emery came to Villa, he was known as a cup specialist and winning a few as well. Of course, come to a club like ours, which has been trophy less for too many years and, now doesn’t seem to want to know about the domestic cups. We will end this season with no trophy again so, just hope we can get top 4 again, although I suspect it’ll be about 7th. The Club will also be happy if we can go a couple of rounds in the CL knock out stages which means £££££’s for the club but not that much to many of the fans. Sadly, that’s football nowadays.
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I really feel for all the fans that went tonight. It was just as pathetic as Everton last season
The service the club offer on match days now, combined with that shite on the pitch is not a recipe for happy fans.
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My last 3 games in the Holte:
Stevenage 1-2
Everton 1-2
Tonight.
Sorry everyone.
Need to put a photofit on the turnstiles: do not let this man in.
If he got a good view of captain chaos, Diego Carlos, tonight then it may have been worth it.
I saw him in our last fiour clean sheets at home, just from the other end. But as you’ve stated many, many times, you’re an actual Villa fan who prefers a defence that concedes more goals.
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Can’t work out what’s wrong with Bailey. Still wonder about a hernia.
He does enough sprints, running flat out to show that there's no injury, he just seems to have reverted back to 2022 era Bailey, ie not very good at all.
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The plus points were Mings and Kamara looking fit enough to start in the league. The minus points were Bailey and Philogene and our ability, no matter who plays to give away stupid goals.
McGinn held the midfield together and gave his usual 100%.
I think we’ve got to accept that modern football is all about the top 4 and CL football. I don’t like one little bit but that’s how it is. Hopefully one day we take the domestic cups seriously.
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Can’t work out what’s wrong with Bailey. Still wonder about a hernia.
He does enough sprints, running flat out to show that there's no injury, he just seems to have reverted back to 2022 era Bailey, ie not very good at all.
He doesn’t seem to have the acceleration he had. Never seen such a drop in performance. Looks like a different player who is a lot slower.
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Take the bloody cups seriously for once! Feel sorry for the people that go.
I do feel sorry for anyone paying and having to schlep back and forth to Aston on a work night in winter but maybe we’re just taking other things seriously. Withdrawing isn’t a serious consideration so we have to prioritise.
As I’ve said elsewhere, all means nothing if we don’t show up against Spurs and Brugge though.
Next season i think a majority of our fans will give the carabao a miss as we dont give a shit about this competition as a club so why should the fans.
Sets a poor example
Just hope we dont lose sunday otherwise im gonna be a tad bit pissed off we rested players for nothing
Resting players isn't about guaranteeing to win the next match it's long term strategy around minutes for players, development, seeing where the squad is at. Emery said this last year also. If we lost Sunday and finish in champions league very few people will begrudge tonight's result imo
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As soon as I saw that bench I thought uh-oh. Suppose we find ourselves say a goal down and struggling. Who have we got to turn it around?
The three lads who came on tried their best, bless 'em, and showed some nice touches. But they were never going to do it and it isn't right to expect them to do so
And I've only just got on the train at Aston. Delayed by 25 minutes owing to striking a shopping trolley on the track...
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
We are 4th dickhead
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Put simply I'm going to stop going to domestic cup games because of this rinse and repeat shit - ok losing to Chelsea last year in the FA Cup but Stevenage, Everton and Palace at home FFS!
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Well the bonus is that it was a quick getaway this evening.
Palace only had two attempts on target and Gauci's effort to save the 2nd goal was remarkable, just falling to his knees instead of attempting to save a stoppable 20 yard shot.
Philogene was very poor, and Bailey is still really off form whilst Buendia lost the ball so often. Kamara was the plus point.
I've no idea why we didn't have a few more senior players on the bench. When the subs came on, it was almost a tacit admission that we weren't too bothered.
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
We are 4th dickhead
Again get back under your bridge
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All I know is that, before Emery came to Villa, he was known as a cup specialist and winning a few as well. Of course, come to a club like ours, which has been trophy less for too many years and, now doesn’t seem to want to know about the domestic cups. We will end this season with no trophy again so, just hope we can get top 4 again, although I suspect it’ll be about 7th. The Club will also be happy if we can go a couple of rounds in the CL knock out stages which means £££££’s for the club but not that much to many of the fans. Sadly, that’s football nowadays.
Nailed it.
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
We are 4th dickhead
Again get back under your bridge
It is you who is the troll you absolute bell end. Distinctly average is 4th and top of champions league. Get fucked you cretin
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Another terrible League Cup display unfortunately and it's not like it's good sides we're playing. Palace weren't very good.
Unless I missed something about an injury I'm not sure why we wouldn't start Barkley today. It doesn't suit us playing two out and out wingers, and particularly when both Jaden and Bailey were poor most of the game. McGinn was all over the place. We really should have kept a couple more senior options on the bench too.
Great to see Mings back and Kamara was probably a class apart but both tired. I think they (Mingsy especially) will be some way off going a full 90 minutes in the Prem.
I thought Nedeljkovic showed plenty of promise. Still young, positioning and decision-making needs work as you'd expect but I don't think he's too far from pushing Cash. In all honesty, we do still lack something at right back that might need rectifying in Jan.
Not convinced about Gauci at all. Baffling that Olsen is on the bench in the league and didn't get the nod today. Again, I may have missed some news. The second goal was a poor goal all around to concede but it wasn't the hardest shot. His view wasn't completely obscured. He's got to be saving that comfortably. That I'm disappointed that Robin Olsen didn't play today, probably says something. He's a year or two away IF he's good enough.
Duran was good first half, but anonymous in the second, not helped by the service drying up and his growing frustration making his general hold-up play less effective.
I hope the players turn up for the FA Cup. It's great being in Europe and competing for fourth, but they don't give trophies out for that and if we're ever gonna win one again in the next decade, it's gonna be while Unai is in charge.
Clearly too, Tielemens leaves a void we're gonna find difficult to fill when he's rested. Barkley would have been closest.
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I'm sure the point has already been made but, while I can understand us not starting our strongest team, I can't comprehend why we don't have more potential impact subs, or bring on the one that we did have.
As inept as we were, if we'd brought on Ramsey, Rogers and Watkins with twenty minutes to go, it would have given the whole place a lift and we'd have had a chance of getting back into it.
The young lads we did bring on may well go on to be great, but bringing them on in those circumstances just gave the opposition a boost, not that they really needed it.
Anyway, well done to Palace for taking it seriously. Hope they win the cup.
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
Top of the champions league group and 4th in the league. If that’s average I’m all for it.
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Yes but still pisses me off those c##ts on the other side of the city have bragging rights on the last domestic trophy in this manor!
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
Yeah before tonight wasn’t it just the one match lost this season, and top of the champions league?
Terrible form.
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I think that's enough of a sample size now to see that there is very little appetite for the domestic cups at the club. There is just a noticeable drop off in attitude and intensity in these games and it looks like no-one really wants to be there. It's happened too many times now for it to be a coincidence.
I really can't fathom why Diego Carlos struggles to pass the ball into central midfield when under no pressure, but he misplaces that pass far too often and it usually costs us.
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I think we should calm down with the Richard Cranium references gentlemen.
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Anyway, well done to Palace for taking it seriously. Hope they win the cup.
Arsenal away next
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The positives.
Mings - back in the team, lasted 90 mins and played very well. He’s ready to come back.
Kamara - back in the starting line up. Lasted 90 and played very well. He’s ready to come back.
Carlos - the most improved player at the club. Looking more assured every game.
The rest of them. Shit.
Where was the urgency ? Where was the desire to try and equalise once 2-1 down ?
Buendia - every bit as lightweight and constantly caught in possession as before his injury.
Jaden - awful. I have this feeling that he has billy big bollocks syndrome. I have thought that all season.
Gauchi - benefit of the doubt, but all in all, not very good.
Unai - I adore you, we all do. But this cup obviously is number 4 on the priority list. But you have promised us a trophy. That’s another chance gone.
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Take the bloody cups seriously for once! Feel sorry for the people that go.
I do feel sorry for anyone paying and having to schlep back and forth to Aston on a work night in winter but maybe we’re just taking other things seriously. Withdrawing isn’t a serious consideration so we have to prioritise.
As I’ve said elsewhere, all means nothing if we don’t show up against Spurs and Brugge though.
Next season i think a majority of our fans will give the carabao a miss as we dont give a shit about this competition as a club so why should the fans.
Sets a poor example
Just hope we dont lose sunday otherwise im gonna be a tad bit pissed off we rested players for nothing
Resting players isn't about guaranteeing to win the next match it's long term strategy around minutes for players, development, seeing where the squad is at. Emery said this last year also. If we lost Sunday and finish in champions league very few people will begrudge tonight's result imo
Exactly this.
We are going to play a lot of games this season. We need to use the whole squad and manage their usage over the season not just for the next game.
I also note with interest Spurs beat Man City but lost one of their most important players with a hamstring injury and Palace had their two best players crocked tonight too.
Imagine if we’d had that happen?
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Anyway, well done to Palace for taking it seriously. Hope they win the cup.
Arsenal away next
FFS. Still, if they play that team and Arsenal rotate like we did, you never know I suppose.
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
We are 4th dickhead
Again get back under your bridge
It is you who is the troll you absolute bell end. Distinctly average is 4th and top of champions league. Get fucked you cretin
Juvenile, bed time , school tomorrow .
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The positives.
Mings - back in the team, lasted 90 mins and played very well. He’s ready to come back.
Kamara - back in the starting line up. Lasted 90 and played very well. He’s ready to come back.
Carlos - the most improved player at the club. Looking more assured every game.
The rest of them. Shit.
Where was the urgency ? Where was the desire to try and equalise once 2-1 down ?
Buendia - every bit as lightweight and constantly caught in possession as before his injury.
Jaden - awful. I have this feeling that he has billy big bollocks syndrome. I have thought that all season.
Gauchi - benefit of the doubt, but all in all, not very good.
Unai - I adore you, we all do. But this cup obviously is number 4 on the priority list. But you have promised us a trophy. That’s another chance gone.
Carlos?
Really? Did you see the second goal?
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I was a bit skeptical at bringing Jaden in without another attacking option coming in, but I see absolutely nothing to suggest he’s got too big of an ego. If anything he looks very low on confidence. Hopefully he’ll come good.
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
We are 4th dickhead
Again get back under your bridge
It is you who is the troll you absolute bell end. Distinctly average is 4th and top of champions league. Get fucked you cretin
Juvenile, bed time , school tomorrow .
Sleep tight, Tim.
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I've only just noticed that we had Ramsey on the bench.
The one player we had who might just have made a difference from the bench. Why wasn't he brought on?
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
Yeah before tonight wasn’t it just the one match lost this season, and top of the champions league?
Terrible form.
I said distinctly average which it is - domestic form -
Palace 1-2
Bournemouth 1-1
Fulham 3-1
ManUtd 0-0
Ipswich 2-2
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The positives.
Mings - back in the team, lasted 90 mins and played very well. He’s ready to come back.
Kamara - back in the starting line up. Lasted 90 and played very well. He’s ready to come back.
Carlos - the most improved player at the club. Looking more assured every game.
The rest of them. Shit.
Where was the urgency ? Where was the desire to try and equalise once 2-1 down ?
Buendia - every bit as lightweight and constantly caught in possession as before his injury.
Jaden - awful. I have this feeling that he has billy big bollocks syndrome. I have thought that all season.
Gauchi - benefit of the doubt, but all in all, not very good.
Unai - I adore you, we all do. But this cup obviously is number 4 on the priority list. But you have promised us a trophy. That’s another chance gone.
Carlos?
Really? Did you see the second goal?
Only in real time, was he at fault ?
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A sad night for me. After two years of blind happy clapping this is the first night of the Emery era that I find myself a bit disappointed.
It's so frustrating. I'm getting on and I want to see a Villa captain hoist a cup over his head. If not now, when?
If you've got over Stevenage to the point it doesn't register, you'll definitely get over this.
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Resting Rogers and Tielemans was essential. I suspect the former is close to the “red zone” in terms of the amount he’s played against his relative experience.
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
Yeah before tonight wasn’t it just the one match lost this season, and top of the champions league?
Terrible form.
I said distinctly average which it is - domestic form -
Palace 1-2
Bournemouth 1-1
Fulham 3-1
ManUtd 0-0
Ipswich 2-2
Last 5 league games we’re 5th in the league on form
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Just got home, wowzers that was shite. We were so disjointed and so unconfident. No one willing to make space by making a run so we just constantly recycle it until we lose it.
I don't think Villa particularly care about the League Cup, which is sad for me personally but that's just where we are.
Everyone's saying Villa have a great squad and good depth, but based on tonight, do we?
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
Yeah before tonight wasn’t it just the one match lost this season, and top of the champions league?
Terrible form.
I said distinctly average which it is - domestic form -
Palace 1-2
Bournemouth 1-1
Fulham 3-1
ManUtd 0-0
Ipswich 2-2
Last 5 league games we’re 5th in the league on form
Tim doesn't bow to such logic as facts or anything. he knows more than us
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Made an effort to go, took the boys as it’s half term, didn’t know Emery was going to take the piss. A very disappointing night. Stop treating us fans like garbage Unai.
Looks like you were right with your comments before kick off!
Once again DC I am gutted that we have thrown away an opportunity without much of an effort.
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The positives.
Mings - back in the team, lasted 90 mins and played very well. He’s ready to come back.
Kamara - back in the starting line up. Lasted 90 and played very well. He’s ready to come back.
Carlos - the most improved player at the club. Looking more assured every game.
The rest of them. Shit.
Where was the urgency ? Where was the desire to try and equalise once 2-1 down ?
Buendia - every bit as lightweight and constantly caught in possession as before his injury.
Jaden - awful. I have this feeling that he has billy big bollocks syndrome. I have thought that all season.
Gauchi - benefit of the doubt, but all in all, not very good.
Unai - I adore you, we all do. But this cup obviously is number 4 on the priority list. But you have promised us a trophy. That’s another chance gone.
Carlos?
Really? Did you see the second goal?
It seems to me that Carlos usually has these lapses of concentration in low key games against unglamorous opposition. It's as though he mentally switches off or thinks he has all the time in the world.
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If domestic cups don't really matter then we haven't won a proper trophy since 1982! Even Leicester and Blackburn have out done us since then ;-)
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The most exasperating moment of the entire game was Jaden getting himself into a great position on the left of the area and then fannying around with it instead of at least trying to get a cross in
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Just got home, wowzers that was shite. We were so disjointed and so unconfident. No one willing to make space by making a run so we just constantly recycle it until we lose it.
I don't think Villa particularly care about the League Cup, which is sad for me personally but that's just where we are.
Everyone's saying Villa have a great squad and good depth, but based on tonight, do we?
I think we do. But you start any fresh XI that has never played together competitively and you're likely going to get a disjointed performance. A blend of experience and fresh legs is the ideal scenario for games like this but Unai wants to give all the senior players game-time and we happen to have 22 of them.
Palace played their first team, from what I can see. And anyone who saw them beat Spurs on Sunday will know that they are capable of playing very well.
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Just got home, wowzers that was shite. We were so disjointed and so unconfident. No one willing to make space by making a run so we just constantly recycle it until we lose it.
I don't think Villa particularly care about the League Cup, which is sad for me personally but that's just where we are.
Everyone's saying Villa have a great squad and good depth, but based on tonight, do we?
I think we have a better squad than last season but not one where we can change the team like we did tonight.
With Mings and Kamara back and with the emergence of Duran then we are much stronger. I think we are weaker out wide with Bailey’s worrying form and Philogene still settling to life under Emery.
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Unai has been unequivocal - domestic cups aren't top priority. (He's only won cups in the one horse race of Ligue I).
The goal is to increase our income as quickly as possible to generate the money we need to build the club on and off the pitch. The 2 best routes to do that most effectively are the EPL and Champions League - they're his clear targets.
The Carabao and FA Cups are, for the moment nice to haves - but they're not that significant in terms of prize money.
Given time, we'll strengthen the squad such that we'll have proper strength in depth and a group of properly rotatable players, sufficient to compete on all 4 fronts.
At the moment that isn't where we are.
Getting to a position where we're regular (almost guaranteed) ECL qualifiers is Unai's goal. As and when we get there, then the domestic cups will come into view.
As a longstanding fan whose waited a lifetime to win the Holy Grail this is difficult to swallow, but it's where we are at the moment.
That might disappoint traditionalists (and I am one), but it's our current reality.
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A sad night for me. After two years of blind happy clapping this is the first night of the Emery era that I find myself a bit disappointed.
It's so frustrating. I'm getting on and I want to see a Villa captain hoist a cup over his head. If not now, when?
If you've got over Stevenage to the point it doesn't register, you'll definitely get over this.
I got over Stevenage because of the context of where we were as a club- re-establishing ourselves in the league, trying to build a new foundation with Emery. Two years on I thought we were at a place where we could have a right go in a cup.
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Anyway, well done to Palace for taking it seriously. Hope they win the cup.
Arsenal away next
Yep, and two of their best three players injured.
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My last 3 games in the Holte:
Stevenage 1-2
Everton 1-2
Tonight.
Sorry everyone.
My last two were tonight and Chelsea in the cup last year so it's not just on you.
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Just got home, wowzers that was shite. We were so disjointed and so unconfident. No one willing to make space by making a run so we just constantly recycle it until we lose it.
I don't think Villa particularly care about the League Cup, which is sad for me personally but that's just where we are.
Everyone's saying Villa have a great squad and good depth, but based on tonight, do we?
I heard an interview with Unai Emery on Radio WM where he said that the Premier League was the priority and then the Champions League. The two domestic cups weren't even mentioned.
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Unai has been unequivocal - domestic cups aren't top priority. (He's only won cups in the one horse race of Ligue I).
The goal is to increase our income as quickly as possible to generate the money we need to build the club on and off the pitch. The 2 best routes to do that most effectively are the EPL and Champions League - they're his clear targets.
The Carabao and FA Cups are, for the moment nice to haves - but they're not that significant in terms of prize money.
Given time, we'll strengthen the squad such that we'll have proper strength in depth and a group of properly rotatable players, sufficient to compete on all 4 fronts.
At the moment that isn't where we are.
Getting to a position where we're regular (almost guaranteed) ECL qualifiers is Unai's goal. As and when we get there, then the domestic cups will come into view.
As a longstanding fan whose waited a lifetime to win the Holy Grail this is difficult to swallow, but it's where we are at the moment.
That might disappoint traditionalists (and I am one), but it's our current reality.
Excellently put. Lots of people stating "Emery is a cup specialist" but european cups have been his thing, not domestics
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
Yeah before tonight wasn’t it just the one match lost this season, and top of the champions league?
Terrible form.
I said distinctly average which it is - domestic form -
Palace 1-2
Bournemouth 1-1
Fulham 3-1
ManUtd 0-0
Ipswich 2-2
Last 5 league games we’re 5th in the league on form
look at who we've played
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The most exasperating moment of the entire game was Jaden getting himself into a great position on the left of the area and then fannying around with it instead of at least trying to get a cross in
i was convinced my stream had frozen . it hadn't , shocking .
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I went and I'm honestly not arsed at all about going out, and neither is the manager.
I think this cup is in its death knell, I wouldn't be surprised if it was gone inside the next 5 years.
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I went and I'm honestly not arsed at all about going out, and neither is the manager.
I think this cup is in its death knell, I wouldn't be surprised if it was gone inside the next 5 years.
I hope not.
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
Yeah before tonight wasn’t it just the one match lost this season, and top of the champions league?
Terrible form.
I said distinctly average which it is - domestic form -
Palace 1-2
Bournemouth 1-1
Fulham 3-1
ManUtd 0-0
Ipswich 2-2
Last 5 league games we’re 5th in the league on form
look at who we've played
I did. You’ll have to stop talking about form and make it about something else then.
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I went and I'm honestly not arsed at all about going out, and neither is the manager.
I think this cup is in its death knell, I wouldn't be surprised if it was gone inside the next 5 years.
I hope not.
It's given me still arguably the three best days supporting us but it's inevitable, it's getting squeezed all the time.
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I thought Bailey, Buendia and Philogene were really poor. Basically killed us as an attacking threat. Disappointing as I was hoping to see all three take the opportunity.
On the plus side once Kamara got going he looked really good, and Mings did brilliantly all things considered.
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On the plus side, it was good to see Mings & Kamara play the 90 mins. They will be important players as the season progresses.
Other than that it generally pretty poor all round. Palace didn't need to be good to beat us. We lost the ball twice & they scored.
Philogene had an opportunity to show why we brought him back but failed miserably. He got a right bollocking from Mings for a half arsed challenge on the edge of our box.
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Positives: Mings and Kamara, Duran’s goal, Ned at RB.
Negatives: Everything else
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Unai has been unequivocal - domestic cups aren't top priority. (He's only won cups in the one horse race of Ligue I).
The goal is to increase our income as quickly as possible to generate the money we need to build the club on and off the pitch. The 2 best routes to do that most effectively are the EPL and Champions League - they're his clear targets.
The Carabao and FA Cups are, for the moment nice to haves - but they're not that significant in terms of prize money.
Given time, we'll strengthen the squad such that we'll have proper strength in depth and a group of properly rotatable players, sufficient to compete on all 4 fronts.
At the moment that isn't where we are.
Getting to a position where we're regular (almost guaranteed) ECL qualifiers is Unai's goal. As and when we get there, then the domestic cups will come into view.
As a longstanding fan whose waited a lifetime to win the Holy Grail this is difficult to swallow, but it's where we are at the moment.
That might disappoint traditionalists (and I am one), but it's our current reality.
Excellently put. Lots of people stating "Emery is a cup specialist" but european cups have been his thing, not domestics
Totally agreed and a lovely post. The treble is still on.
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I wasn’t overly pissed off about losing. I had a nice night out with the babby (although he said after he regretted missing training, and thinks he might be dropped on Sunday because of it), and saw a few old mates.
Lovely to see two of our really big players come back and look great. I had my head in my hands when Mings went down injured.. Kosta looks like he’ll be good when he gets more experience.
I thought McGinn did well and hopefully Bailey will gain a bit of confidence from another assist.
Duran has now matched last season’s goal tally.
I was much more depressed after Saturday’s late equaliser, but I still really loved just going the match (with my daughter that time).
I’m in the ‘stay in the CL next season’ camp. Although I’m getting on a bit, I think it will do us more good in the long run. I know it shouldn’t matter, but we’ve made over €44m in prize money so far, and if we make the top 8 that willl rise to about €60m, not including gate receipts, sponsor bonuses etc.
I’ve never been convinced that goalies need a rest.
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Gauci's performance tonight makes me pine for Olsen. Jumped over the first one, and then sort of did nothing at all for the second. Rubbish.
Didn't see tonight's game but fcuk that must have been bad.
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Don't think Gauci could have done much with either goal tbh.
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Frustrating. We all know Emery doesn't care, but it still gets annoying watching painful dross. That 2nd half was eye bleedingly bad, from both sides.
Felt the same down at Wycombe, bored senseless. No real positives.
Felt we looked unbalanced with 2 wingers, both full backs want to go forward, which stopped effective overloads.
McGinn was utterly dreadful and his poor touch would have made Gavin McCann look like Pirlo.
They're awfully physical and the referee was quite content to let it happen, which swallowed Buendia. Rank decision making from Philogene too.
Just an awful performance. I just wish we didn't bother entering this or the FA Cup. Just don't bother.
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I went and I'm honestly not arsed at all about going out, and neither is the manager.
I am bitterly disappointed about going out, but although I imagine that those at the club would be disappointed to.pise the game, the focus will shift to the weekend pretty quickly.
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I'm not going to overreact, but it is dispiriting to go out of yet another domestic cup.
It's not as simple as getting angry at team selection or individual mistakes, it's just the general apathy that seems to pervade our whole approach - from manager to players to some supporters.
The last ten winners of the League Cup have been:
Chelsea
Man City
Man Utd
Man City
Man City
Man City
Man City
Liverpool
Man Utd
Liverpool
All of those have won (or in Man City and Chelsea's case, bought) the League and the European Cup multiple times since we last won anything at all.
If they don't consider it beneath them to put the required effort in to win the League Cup, I don't see why we should.
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Wasn’t a great performance but equally wasn’t dreadful. Certain players were below par or didn’t take their chance but seeing Mings and Kamara well on the way to being available in the upcoming games was great to see. As a game I thought it was pretty competitive on the whole…we definitely missed a bit of composure on the ball. Results next week will answer whether we were right to rest so many players…some like Rogers / Teilemans absolutely needed a break…
Gauci for both goals looked very odd in the way he was beaten….suspect the fact he isn’t Martinez is a millstone round any keepers neck.
Ned did ok…loved the pace but needs more composure on ball
Carlos hopefully got one of his 5/10’s out of the way tonight.
Mings tired a little bit did pretty well…was glad to see him holding his face when he was writhing around on the floor…relief when he got up.
Maatsen wasn’t at his best and his combo with Philogene wasn’t great
Kamara showed signs of his quality - massive addition to the squad again
McGinn ran and ran but some of his distribution wasn’t up to scratch
Bailey was ok but probs needed to be subbed 10-15 mins earlier
Philogene was pretty ineffective
Buendia was very poor, for me was one who improved significantly whilst being injured…suspect we have outgrown his ability
Duran good finish and worked hard
Of the subs Jimoh-Aloba and Bogarde in DM role looked decent
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Ignoring the strength of the team, we didn’t look like one coached by UE. Passing was both slow and careless with little zip. We were caught so often wanting too much time to either control the ball or to decide where to pass it.
A few returning players got some valuable game time but a few others did themselves no favours, particularly the attackers.
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Don't think Gauci could have done much with either goal tbh.
Other than try to save them, perhaps?
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
Yeah before tonight wasn’t it just the one match lost this season, and top of the champions league?
Terrible form.
I said distinctly average which it is - domestic form -
Palace 1-2
Bournemouth 1-1
Fulham 3-1
ManUtd 0-0
Ipswich 2-2
Last 5 league games we’re 5th in the league on form
I wouldn't waste your time on Coopers Injury. He's the most boring troll we've ever had and he's been banned twice before.
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I'd like to see our form since January as a table because I don't think it's all that . We've had a softer set of fixtures to kick the season off too.
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I just wish we didn't bother entering this or the FA Cup. Just don't bother.
Feeling the same, Ads.
After the two dropped points at the weekend, this now feels like two poor results in a row instead of just the one, and I would've been more confident going into Sunday had we just not entered and not had to play tonight.
Which is kind of the opposite of what football should be about.
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Oh do fuck off you boring troll.
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Oh do fuck off you boring troll.
How dare you! 😉
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Oh do fuck off you boring troll.
How dare you! 😉
Haha not you, the one man Jermaine Beckford fan club, that's going to great lengths to talk us down. Then when posters in good faith, waste their time pointing out he's chatting absolute fucking shite, he moves the goal post to lure somebody else in. I honestly don't get the fucking point anymore.
You're alright though Rory.
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I'd like to see our form since January as a table because I don't think it's all that . We've had a softer set of fixtures to kick the season off too.
Since 1st January, we're fifth. So almost certainly good enough to qualify for the Champions League again.
(https://i.ibb.co/5ntm0m4/Screenshot-20241031-001455-Opera.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5ntm0m4)
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Oh do fuck off you boring troll.
How dare you! 😉
Haha not you, the one man Jermaine Beckford fan club, that's going to great lengths to talk us down. Then when posters in good faith, waste their time pointing out he's chatting absolute fucking shite, he moves the goal post to lure somebody else in. I honestly don't get the fucking point anymore.
You're alright though Rory.
Haha, you too mate.
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I just wish we didn't bother entering this or the FA Cup. Just don't bother.
thats one of the saddest most pathetic things I've ever read on here . Pathetic mentality .
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I just wish we didn't bother entering this or the FA Cup. Just don't bother.
thats one of the saddest most pathetic things I've ever read on here . Pathetic mentality .
Have you looked in the mirror recently?
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How about you all take the rest of the night off?
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Mings and Kamara got some valuable minutes and came through it unscathed, so that’s a big positive. It’s probably the only one but it’s a positive.
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In our position of important games to come any club would have saved their better players, I may be one of a few but I really don't think that this competition holds much prestige. We got to see three senior players get a run out, two performed well so thats a big plus going forward.
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I do get what Unai is trying to do but even though we had 10 changes from the Bournemouth game and the game was a pretty ordinary affair for the most part, I felt that at the 60th minute with the score at 1-1 and still up for grabs that three quality subs would have made all the difference. Palace were not that great either with almost their first choice X1. If Watkins, Ramsey and Tielemans playing half an hour prior to Spurs on Sunday wouldn't have been asking too much in my opinion.
When Palace got their second goal we just went through the motions until the end.
I grew up with the League Cup victories and even the loss in the final in 1971 as Div 3 team as great memories.
I feel badly for the fans that turned up.
If the club don't take this competition (and FA Cup) seriously why should the fans.
90 mins for Mings and Kamara were the only positive for me.
I feel for the fans that went last night.
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Kamara was head and shoulders the best player on the pitch. Quality really shone through.
McGinn was bright and involved.
Mings giving out to people not doing the right things was a joy to see. Great to have him back. Good performance back.
Duran made some good runs.
Nedelkovic looked bright but overran it a few times.
Philogean was pretty much non-existent. A crap performance.
Carlos with his customary one big mistake a game.
Bailey; was poor snd yet another game where his finishing was atrocious.
Maatsen poor. In fact, our left hand side generally was poor apart from Mings
Gauci looked very shaky but grew into it and made some good catches in the second half.
Bunedia too light-weight. Looks mainly down to match sharpness. But he’s not shifting Rodgers.
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Only saw the 1st half - but the 3 players who returned from long injury lay off, for me all struggled - Mings and Buendia both need to find another club next summer and I would not be surprised if Kamara wants to leave next summer, to get regular 1st team football (I cannot see him getting in the side ahead of Onana, Barkley or Tielemans).
It will be interesting to see what the attendance was last night, from the TV there did not seem to be many empty seats (well done to all that went).
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The 11 on the pitch should have had enough to beat palace, and is pretty much the team I’d expected Unai to send out. These are all players who needed minutes and/or experience.
My only issue with the selection was we should have had some quality to come off the bench should it be required.
Still, a poor performance overall and a bit disappointing that some players like Philogene and Maatsen, who are pushing to be in the starting 11, didn’t make the most of this opportunity.
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The morning after. It was shite but it was obviously low priority for unai. He and teh club wants us to continue in CL next season so rotation is key.
I just would have liked to have seen a stronger bench. Like spurs ans city did.
It did show to me though there are players who for me are struggling and i cabt see them being here next summer
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The team plays in the image of it's manager and for all the swashbuckling victories we have seen with Emery, when a match isn't a priority you can see it in the teams approach. It's an undeniable pattern and along with GA+, the disregard of the clubs supporters and sundry other modern facets of Football these days it's an absolute crying shame.
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If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
It would be really annoying as we just gave away a chance of a trophy for nothing. Hopefully the rested players can bring the 3 points home
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
We are 4th dickhead
LOL
Terrible form. Sack the manager. ETH is available.
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If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
😂😂😂😂
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If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
It would be really annoying as we just gave away a chance of a trophy for nothing. Hopefully the rested players can bring the 3 points home
Resting players last night isn’t really about Sunday it’s a longer-term way of trying to manage workload.
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If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
😂😂😂😂
I know.
We've got three away games in 7 days starting Sunday. We have to use the squad.
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The most exasperating moment of the entire game was Jaden getting himself into a great position on the left of the area and then fannying around with it instead of at least trying to get a cross in
Which highlights a problem that really needs fixing in the transfer window. Bailey's form is worrying and doesn't seem to be getting and better. Philogene doesn't seem ready and we've sold Diaby. With the benefit of hindsight that seems like a bad decision.
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I'd like to see our form since January as a table because I don't think it's all that . We've had a softer set of fixtures to kick the season off too.
Jesus wept give it a rest while you. I'm not going to be the umpteenth person to point out our current PL and CL positions as it seems you're immune to positivity .
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Yeah there's clearly a problem on the flanks with our creative players. But isn't that where Unai earns his corn, getting a tune out of them?
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I'd like to see our form since January as a table because I don't think it's all that . We've had a softer set of fixtures to kick the season off too.
Since 1st January, we're fifth. So almost certainly good enough to qualify for the Champions League again.
(https://i.ibb.co/5ntm0m4/Screenshot-20241031-001455-Opera.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5ntm0m4)
In the immortal words of Homer Simpson. "How convenient. Facts schmacks. You can prove anything with facts"
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How about you all take the rest of the night off?
Just woke up, have I missed something, looks like someone cast the fishing line and caught a few big fish
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If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
😂😂😂😂
What's funny luke ?
Wasnt moscow the same reason resting players and utilising the squad then we didnt win the next game anyway? So i missed whats funny? Do share some insight
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Apart from the team selections, it's the fans who attended the game with children and paid good money who suffered,as previously mentioned wouldn't be surprised if future cup attendances are much lower if we are in the same position concerning champions league involvement
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First time i think emery is telling porkies saying we were trying to win the game.
Bringing on three kids when we had cash and JJ on tbe bench for three experienced players suggests otherwise
I get it we have bigger priorities but i dont think we were bothered at all yesterday. It was just to give players minutes who needed them. Its a shame because if we went through those players could get starts in next round too
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I think I’ve seen it all now.
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If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
😂😂😂😂
What's funny luke ?
Wasnt moscow the same reason resting players and utilising the squad then we didnt win the next game anyway? So i missed whats funny? Do share some insight
How do you manage to leave the house in the morning without breaking down? I can't remember the last time that the club was in such a good place yet you are consistently posting from some alternative Universe were Eric Black is over seeing a front two of McCormack and Gestede. Go and post in the Blues thread and cheer yourself up.
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First time i think emery is telling porkies saying we were trying to win the game.
Bringing on three kids when we had cash and JJ on tbe bench for three experienced players suggests otherwise
I get it we have bigger priorities but i dont think we were bothered at all yesterday. It was just to give players minutes who needed them. Its a shame because if we went through those players could get starts in next round too
He may have used the game to give a few players a much needed competitive run out but to suggest that we wasn't trying to win the game is ludicrous and to accuse Emery of lying to the fans is offensive.
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The funny thing is that it was two definite starting contenders, not returning from injury particularly, in Carlos and (less-so) McGinn who made the game-losing error. Carlos, we know he's got that in him, but he's been so good since Bournemouth that it counts as an unpleasant jolt. McGinn has often had peaks and troughs of form over the years, so at least we're in the position where we can rotate and not depend on him.
One issue though remains the right side of midfield. McGinn's out of form, fine, but so is Bailey, and Buendia's still clearly not as sharp as he'd like. What's the solution? Rogers can play out there, but Jhon and Ollie haven't exactly been incandescent as a partnership yet, and it'd limit Morgan's impact on a game. Tielemans in there to form that very narrow box midfield like he did in that great performance vs. Man City, especially now Kamara's coming back? Maybe, but Tielemans is like Rogers in his impact on our game, indeed their partnership is one of our very strongest assets. Not clear to me what we can do to address this weakness without disrupting the things that are going so well elsewhere.
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What was Eze's problem last night? He deliberately wound the Holte up with some strange gestures after he scored which is fair game but he contied his antics and appeared to spit on the floor in a gesture to them. When he was taken off he continued to behave like a twat by walking off the pitch with a silly grin at a snails pace. I've got no opinions on him as a person and I rate him quite highly as a player. As far as I know there's been no beef between him and our fans?
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If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
😂😂😂😂
What's funny luke ?
Wasnt moscow the same reason resting players and utilising the squad then we didnt win the next game anyway? So i missed whats funny? Do share some insight
How do you manage to leave the house in the morning without breaking down? I can't remember the last time that the club was in such a good place yet you are consistently posting from some alternative Universe were Eric Black is over seeing a front two of McCormack and Gestede. Go and post in the Blues thread and cheer yourself up.
So i asked you a simple question just a simple question that isnt rocket scienece to answer. But for some reason it seems abit difficult for you to answer
Yet you go on the attack and try to spin it to another direction. I dont understand what you are waffling about whats rudy and mccomark got to do with what happened in moscow?
Here's a history lesson for you neither player was at the club under MON that was under a different manager.
MON rested players like emery did for moscow we lost then went and drew the last next game and we went out when we could have carried on maybe won that cup. So my point was if we lose sunday we could have at least had a few more senior players on the bench to win the palace game.
So again i ask you a simple question whats so funny? Its not hard to answer the question instead of mumbling some nonsense. And ill post where i want thanks.
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First time i think emery is telling porkies saying we were trying to win the game.
Bringing on three kids when we had cash and JJ on tbe bench for three experienced players suggests otherwise
I get it we have bigger priorities but i dont think we were bothered at all yesterday. It was just to give players minutes who needed them. Its a shame because if we went through those players could get starts in next round too
He may have used the game to give a few players a much needed competitive run out but to suggest that we wasn't trying to win the game is ludicrous and to accuse Emery of lying to the fans is offensive.
Sorry i should have been clearer in my post i meant when we were 2-1 down and he bought the kids on. There was no intention to win the game at that point just give the youngsters some minutes. I agree with you it was about giving minutes and im sure the team he started with wanted to win
Saying its offensive is abit extreme though 🙂
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one eye on Sundays game against Spurs I feel
Unfortunately I don’t think losing games in a can’t be bothered way is ever good preparation for the next match
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If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
😂😂😂😂
What's funny luke ?
Wasnt moscow the same reason resting players and utilising the squad then we didnt win the next game anyway? So i missed whats funny? Do share some insight
How do you manage to leave the house in the morning without breaking down? I can't remember the last time that the club was in such a good place yet you are consistently posting from some alternative Universe were Eric Black is over seeing a front two of McCormack and Gestede. Go and post in the Blues thread and cheer yourself up.
So i asked you a simple question just a simple question that isnt rocket scienece to answer. But for some reason it seems abit difficult for you to answer
Yet you go on the attack and try to spin it to another direction. I dont understand what you are waffling about whats rudy and mccomark got to do with what happened in moscow?
Here's a history lesson for you neither player was at the club under MON that was under a different manager.
MON rested players like emery did for moscow we lost then went and drew the last next game and we went out when we could have carried on maybe won that cup. So my point was if we lose sunday we could have at least had a few more senior players on the bench to win the palace game.
So again i ask you a simple question whats so funny? Its not hard to answer the question instead of mumbling some nonsense. And ill post where i want thanks.
If you think yesterday and Moscow were the same then you are beyond help. We did what every other club in our position did. I guarantee that if we'd have played the 'first XI' last night and got two injuries to our better players (like Palace did) then you'd be on here bleating about Squad rotation. You're default mode is to be pissed off about something, anything.
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Just ignore him Luke. It's what I tend to do from now on. He argues for the sake of it.
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If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
😂😂😂😂
What's funny luke ?
Wasnt moscow the same reason resting players and utilising the squad then we didnt win the next game anyway? So i missed whats funny? Do share some insight
How do you manage to leave the house in the morning without breaking down? I can't remember the last time that the club was in such a good place yet you are consistently posting from some alternative Universe were Eric Black is over seeing a front two of McCormack and Gestede. Go and post in the Blues thread and cheer yourself up.
So i asked you a simple question just a simple question that isnt rocket scienece to answer. But for some reason it seems abit difficult for you to answer
Yet you go on the attack and try to spin it to another direction. I dont understand what you are waffling about whats rudy and mccomark got to do with what happened in moscow?
Here's a history lesson for you neither player was at the club under MON that was under a different manager.
MON rested players like emery did for moscow we lost then went and drew the last next game and we went out when we could have carried on maybe won that cup. So my point was if we lose sunday we could have at least had a few more senior players on the bench to win the palace game.
So again i ask you a simple question whats so funny? Its not hard to answer the question instead of mumbling some nonsense. And ill post where i want thanks.
If you think yesterday and Moscow were the same then you are beyond help. We did what every other club in our position did. I guarantee that if we'd have played the 'first XI' last night and got two injuries to our better players (like Palace did) then you'd be on here bleating about Squad rotation. You're default mode is to be pissed off about something, anything.
Its pretty sad that again instead of answering the question you go on attack mode and cannot (for some odd reason) answer such a simple question its not hard to answer and this is just a waste of my time replying to fantasy scenerios and on a person who cannot answer such a easy question 😂
Your perception is wrong just to add a final point to this waste of time post about "picking up injuries" you just made that up
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Just ignore him Luke. It's what I tend to do from now on. He argues for the sake of it.
So im arguing when someone attacks me when i ask them a simple question what was funny
Good one that makes a lot of sense and please do ill do the same with your cringy self
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What was Eze's problem last night? He deliberately wound the Holte up with some strange gestures after he scored which is fair game but he contied his antics and appeared to spit on the floor in a gesture to them. When he was taken off he continued to behave like a twat by walking off the pitch with a silly grin at a snails pace. I've got no opinions on him as a person and I rate him quite highly as a player. As far as I know there's been no beef between him and our fans?
I saw that I thought it was weird.
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one eye on Sundays game against Spurs I feel
Unfortunately I don’t think losing games in a can’t be bothered way is ever good preparation for the next match
Maybe it's part of a plan. After last year's similarly crap exit against Everton, we beat Brighton 6-1 in the next game.
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one eye on Sundays game against Spurs I feel
Unfortunately I don’t think losing games in a can’t be bothered way is ever good preparation for the next match
Maybe it's part of a plan. After last year's similarly crap exit against Everton, we beat Brighton 6-1 in the next game.
I'd settle for that result vs the lilyshites
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Only saw the 1st half - but the 3 players who returned from long injury lay off, for me all struggled - Mings and Buendia both need to find another club next summer and I would not be surprised if Kamara wants to leave next summer, to get regular 1st team football (I cannot see him getting in the side ahead of Onana, Barkley or Tielemans).
It will be interesting to see what the attendance was last night, from the TV there did not seem to be many empty seats (well done to all that went).
Couldn't disagree more, I think Kamara/Onana/Tielemans will interchange regularly this season. Bouba is a class act and already looked good in his first start. I can see him starting again vs Brugge.
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one eye on Sundays game against Spurs I feel
Unfortunately I don’t think losing games in a can’t be bothered way is ever good preparation for the next match
Maybe it's part of a plan. After last year's similarly crap exit against Everton, we beat Brighton 6-1 in the next game.
I’m lucky enough to be going to Spurs so I’ll look forward to the drubbing we’ll be handing out now I know that it’s all part of a plan
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Mickey Mouse cup, let Man United and Spurs scrap over it. We’ve got 3 bigger games in the next week.
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one eye on Sundays game against Spurs I feel
Unfortunately I don’t think losing games in a can’t be bothered way is ever good preparation for the next match
Had time to reflect on and although I am still disappointed, I think there is a bigger picture which I can kind of accept. Emery has clearly stated that the Premier League and Champions League are the priorities and we've got two games a week pretty much every week now until the end of January.
He obviously saw last night and sees the cups in general as an opportunity to rest players as well as giving others some much needed game time with an eye on the fixture list ahead. I'm guessing that him and his team have made the decision to field that kind of team in the competition- if they win then great and if they don't then move on and focus on what they see as the priority.
Yes it's a bit frustrating as I'm guessing most fans would like to see us win trophies, but there is obviously a plan there and it's hard to argue with the results of it so far.
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Only saw the 1st half - but the 3 players who returned from long injury lay off, for me all struggled - Mings and Buendia both need to find another club next summer and I would not be surprised if Kamara wants to leave next summer, to get regular 1st team football (I cannot see him getting in the side ahead of Onana, Barkley or Tielemans).
It will be interesting to see what the attendance was last night, from the TV there did not seem to be many empty seats (well done to all that went).
I have no idea which match you was watching. Both Kamara and Mings did really well given the length of the lay offs, I’ll agree Buendia has struggled since coming back.
Ask Santa for a new TV for Xmas 🙏
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I'd like to see our form since January as a table because I don't think it's all that . We've had a softer set of fixtures to kick the season off too.
So, we finished fourth in the league last year, we are currently fourth this year, and three games in and we're top of the champions league, however, our form "ain't all that".
What a truly absurd argument to make.
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I’ll tell you what
All us posters like me moaning like mad about going out of the cup last night because we think nearly 3 decades is too long for us to go in putting some silverware in the cabinet will have a bucket full of egg on our faces and be eating humble pie forever if we win the league or the Champions League because that’s the priority
I will never be able to show my face on here again much to the delight of many I’m sure
But I’ll die a happy man
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i'm personally indifferent about the carabou cup, but i get the fact that it has been nearly 30 years since the club lifted a trophy and why it matters to others.
i also feel the next 3 away games - spurs, bruges and liverpool will be more season-defining that last night.
anyway, thought kamara and mings played well last night.
really not sure about nedelkovic. i know he's 18, but i think he needs to be getting more minutes and that will be on loan somewhere.
gauci made some suspect decisions with his punching as well. he got away with them.
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I’ll tell you what
All us posters like me moaning like mad about going out of the cup last night because we think nearly 3 decades is too long for us to go in putting some silverware in the cabinet will have a bucket full of egg on our faces and be eating humble pie forever if we win the league or the Champions League because that’s the priority
I will never be able to show my face on here again much to the delight of many I’m sure
But I’ll die a happy man
Funny thing is (and I'm over last night, fuck that three handled nonsense) that is Emery's aim. The mad, glorious, bastard
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I was unable to find a stream last night so not able to watch the game. Most comments on here suggest we were crap and Palce were the better team and deserved their win. I’m struggling to reconcile that with the stats?!?
(https://i.ibb.co/6YR67Gn/IMG-8402.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6YR67Gn)
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I’ll tell you what
All us posters like me moaning like mad about going out of the cup last night because we think nearly 3 decades is too long for us to go in putting some silverware in the cabinet will have a bucket full of egg on our faces and be eating humble pie forever if we win the league or the Champions League because that’s the priority
I will never be able to show my face on here again much to the delight of many I’m sure
But I’ll die a happy man
Funny thing is (and I'm over last night, fuck that three handled nonsense) that is Emery's aim. The mad, glorious, bastard
Exactly, it completely changes the context.
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I was unable to find a stream last night so not able to watch the game. Most comments on here suggest we were crap and Palce were the better team and deserved their win. I’m struggling to reconcile that with the stats?!?
(https://i.ibb.co/6YR67Gn/IMG-8402.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6YR67Gn)
We were crap, and so were they and we gifted them two goals.
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I'd like to see our form since January as a table because I don't think it's all that . We've had a softer set of fixtures to kick the season off too.
So, we finished fourth in the league last year, we are currently fourth this year, and three games in and we're top of the champions league, however, our form "ain't all that".
What a truly absurd argument to make.
our current form isn't all that drew 3 of last 4 in the Prem against relatively easy opposition.
Someone on here posted recently our league form after xmas was 9th . So couple that with the softer set of fixtures to start this season and i think its a fair observation.
I also agree with earlier poster the next few games in the league will tell us a lot more how we are shaping up .
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With city having all these injuries galore as well why not aim for the title too!
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Went last night, bit disappointed but the performance was a definite 2nd gear and our reserves gave a decent account of themselves against Palaces first team. Scores on the doors for me:
Gauci 5 seemed hesitant at times but generally ok
Nedeljkovic - 6 was genuinely encouraged, got some pace, over dribbled a bit at times but was ok.
Carlos - 5 was ok but usual sloppy pass for their second
Mings - 7 quite patently rusty but his usual committed self.
Maatsen - 5 again ok but his passing was woeful at times and didn’t get anything going with Jaden.
McGinn - 5 outplayed by Will Hughes tells you all you need to know.
Kamara- 6 rusty but cruised about doing everything Bouba does well.
Buendia - 4 pretty poor, dispossessed constantly, misplaced passes and cut a dispirited figure before coming off.
Bailey - 5 woefully out of form but kept trying particularly first half.
Duran - 5 hmmm I think we’ve seen in two consecutive games now why he doesn’t start. Can’t lead the line like Ollie and doesn’t have the discipline to defend like Ollie. Took his goal well but he’s a long way from being anywhere near being the starting striker.
Philogene - 4 not a good night, positionally disciplined but didn’t cause defenders any problems and lost possession numerous times with poor passes, hanging onto the ball or being outmuscled.
All in all a bit of a flat evening, the crowd tried its best to get things going but the team were just not going to get on top of a well drilled Palace team, we just didn’t get to grips with their 3-4-3 at all, not helped by our front 4 just not being at the races.
Onwards.
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We have not hit the levels of this time last year. We have had a relatively easy bunch of league fixtures and are about to face 3 very difficult games.
Just hope that it’s about to fall into place , 2 wins and a draw from the next 3 will do.
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i'm personally indifferent about the carabou cup, but i get the fact that it has been nearly 30 years since the club lifted a trophy and why it matters to others.
i also feel the next 3 away games - spurs, bruges and liverpool will be more season-defining that last night.
anyway, thought kamara and mings played well last night.
really not sure about nedelkovic. i know he's 18, but i think he needs to be getting more minutes and that will be on loan somewhere.
gauci made some suspect decisions with his punching as well. he got away with them.
Agree with the comments about Nedeljkovic. Looks like the raw materials might be there, but looked some way off being an option to play in the Premier League last night.
Looks like he needs a loan in this country to get some playing time.
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I was unable to find a stream last night so not able to watch the game. Most comments on here suggest we were crap and Palce were the better team and deserved their win. I’m struggling to reconcile that with the stats?!?
(https://i.ibb.co/6YR67Gn/IMG-8402.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6YR67Gn)
I wouldn't say most posters. The more vociferous posters who seem to revel in negativity were saying we were crap. Definitely not at our best but played some lovely football at times and just like last Saturday we didn't turn it into goals. Some decent ndividual performances notably Kamara and Mings but others a bit below par. It's fair to say we ran out of ideas half way through the second half and Duran proved again he's not really ready to lead the line from the off. His goal of course bought him some redemption.
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I’ll tell you what
All us posters like me moaning like mad about going out of the cup last night because we think nearly 3 decades is too long for us to go in putting some silverware in the cabinet will have a bucket full of egg on our faces and be eating humble pie forever if we win the league or the Champions League because that’s the priority
I will never be able to show my face on here again much to the delight of many I’m sure
But I’ll die a happy man
Funny thing is (and I'm over last night, fuck that three handled nonsense) that is Emery's aim. The mad, glorious, bastard
Exactly, it completely changes the context.
The league and Champions League seem a little unlikely though. Although being in contention might be a longer-term aim, it would be nice to pick up some silverware along the way.
The Conference League and that home semi-final tie still rankles a bit, as I think that was a good opportunity.
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I was unable to find a stream last night so not able to watch the game. Most comments on here suggest we were crap and Palce were the better team and deserved their win. I’m struggling to reconcile that with the stats?!?
(https://i.ibb.co/6YR67Gn/IMG-8402.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6YR67Gn)
I wouldn't say most posters. The more vociferous posters who seem to revel in negativity were saying we were crap. Definitely not at our best but played some lovely football at times and just like last Saturday we didn't turn it into goals. Some decent ndividual performances notably Kamara and Mings but others a bit below par. It's fair to say we ran out of ideas half way through the second half and Duran proved again he's not really ready to lead the line from the off. His goal of course bought him some redemption.
Spot on
Not good not garbage….a few who were given chances didn’t take them
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(I cannot see him getting in the side ahead of Onana, Barkley or Tielemans).
Kamara will always be in front of Onana and Ross for me Youri and him will be brilliant.
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After a good opening few minutes when they took the lead - deservedly - we played some more than decent football i thought. After the equaliser i could only see one winner for a while. That line-up gave the lie to the idea we have a big enough squad, the subs bench was virtually unrecognisable and once he took McGinn off that was it. Emi Buendia looked like when he first arrived and was being muscled out of it all the time. He needs patience to get back to where he was when he got injured. No complaints about losing but i do feel we blew a golden opportunity.
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(I cannot see him getting in the side ahead of Onana, Barkley or Tielemans).
Kamara will always be in front of Onana and Ross for me Youri and him will be brilliant.
Kamara a nailed on starter for me, playing alongside Tielemans in the pivot. Glad to see him get a full 90 last night.
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Duran - 5 hmmm I think we’ve seen in two consecutive games now why he doesn’t start. Can’t lead the line like Ollie and doesn’t have the discipline to defend like Ollie. Took his goal well but he’s a long way from being anywhere near being the starting striker.
To be fair to Duran , Jaden, Leon and emi was rubbish and hardly created anything for him, He got the one chance and scored from Bailey.
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Yeah once kamara gets up to speed he should 100% be starting.
I like onana but he has been very inconsistent so far
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I was unable to find a stream last night so not able to watch the game. Most comments on here suggest we were crap and Palce were the better team and deserved their win. I’m struggling to reconcile that with the stats?!?
(https://i.ibb.co/6YR67Gn/IMG-8402.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6YR67Gn)
The difference in the stats is because they were playing on the break and we were playing our usual controlled possession build up.
In reality they looked a threat virtually every time they went forward and our defence was shaky and we carried little threat and were unable to break them down and resorted to long shots.
I never felt we were on top all night and when we made the final three subs we killed whatever chance we had as the midfield completely disappeared.
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That was on Emery last night, I understand the selection, but a lot of fringe players together just don't know how to play together. Mings and MGinn did well. Kamara was decent. The rest just didn't really do anything.
Duran needs to improve his all round game, he spent too much of his energy moaning and rolling around the floor. He's not ready to start over Watkins yet.
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Commentators were praising Duran’s runs but they were not picked out by his team mates.
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I'm not going to overreact, but it is dispiriting to go out of yet another domestic cup.
It's not as simple as getting angry at team selection or individual mistakes, it's just the general apathy that seems to pervade our whole approach - from manager to players to some supporters.
The last ten winners of the League Cup have been:
Chelsea
Man City
Man Utd
Man City
Man City
Man City
Man City
Liverpool
Man Utd
Liverpool
All of those have won (or in Man City and Chelsea's case, bought) the League and the European Cup multiple times since we last won anything at all.
If they don't consider it beneath them to put the required effort in to win the League Cup, I don't see why we should.
This for me as well.
Would just love to see some silverware at some point before I die
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Moscow was March? And the team had already reached the MON blowing out their arse as it was the same 12/13 players playing week in week out.
Losing Sunday would be a blow - mainly because I think we should be going to Spurs looking to win but the comparison with 9 games into the season vs approx 9 left is ridiculous
If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
😂😂😂😂
What's funny luke ?
Wasnt moscow the same reason resting players and utilising the squad then we didnt win the next game anyway? So i missed whats funny? Do share some insight
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So if we had got through we would have had an away tie at Arsenal.
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Moscow was March? And the team had already reached the MON blowing out their arse as it was the same 12/13 players playing week in week out.
Losing Sunday would be a blow - mainly because I think we should be going to Spurs looking to win but the comparison with 9 games into the season vs approx 9 left is ridiculous
If we lose sunday its going to have signs of that famous Moscow episode
😂😂😂😂
What's funny luke ?
Wasnt moscow the same reason resting players and utilising the squad then we didnt win the next game anyway? So i missed whats funny? Do share some insight
Happy to engage in this debate as you challenge my point in a constructive way unlikw the previous poster.
The point i was trying to make was that we would have exited a cup for no reason if we lose sunday. Thats the comparison im talking about. Not fatigue as your allude to in your post (although correct at the time) lets not forget we almost missed out on CL as well! If MON didnt play a second string and just basicalky sacrifice europe we had a chance to win the cup.
Im pretty sure if we had a stronger bench yesterday at 1-1 we would have had enough options to change the game and win
Now we are out cant see how players like buendia are going to get many starts unless we pick up injuries. A extra game in this cup would have done them the world of good
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I'm not going to overreact, but it is dispiriting to go out of yet another domestic cup.
It's not as simple as getting angry at team selection or individual mistakes, it's just the general apathy that seems to pervade our whole approach - from manager to players to some supporters.
The last ten winners of the League Cup have been:
Chelsea
Man City
Man Utd
Man City
Man City
Man City
Man City
Liverpool
Man Utd
Liverpool
All of those have won (or in Man City and Chelsea's case, bought) the League and the European Cup multiple times since we last won anything at all.
If they don't consider it beneath them to put the required effort in to win the League Cup, I don't see why we should.
You say the most sensible things past the witching hour Rory. You can't pick and choose what you are going to win. It must always be take part to win mentality as shown by your listing.
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I think Emery over-rotated last night. The likes of Barkley and Onana should not have been having a night off .
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Ramsey hasn't played much football the last 12 months either.
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Ramsey hasn't played much football the last 12 months either.
That was the biggest suprise for me that he didnt come on as sub. Im convinced he is 100% starting Sunday along with cash
Think itvwill be konsa and pau at cb with cash at rb
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So if we had got through we would have had an away tie at Arsenal.
Not necessarily, we'd have been a differet number ball that may well have been shuffled differently into and around the bag/machine. So the whole draw may have been different.
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The Bayern win has papered over a lot of cracks . Our form is distinctly average and nowhere near good enough .
Yeah before tonight wasn’t it just the one match lost this season, and top of the champions league?
Terrible form.
I said distinctly average which it is - domestic form -
Palace 1-2
Bournemouth 1-1
Fulham 3-1
ManUtd 0-0
Ipswich 2-2
Last 5 league games we’re 5th in the league on form
Liverpool 0 Forest 1? Bournemouth 2 Arsenal 0? All the fickle fans, do you want David O'Leary or Gerrard back? FFS, we are top 4 and won 3 out of 3 in Champions League, but must admit look at the poor opposition like Bayern Munich. Some on here don't deserve Unai.
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Frustrating. A chance of being a few wins from a trophy at last, with the best side in the competition out. It may not have been our strongest 11 but it wasn't a bunch of kids either. Apart from Gauci (if Emi is fit) everyone that started will be playing a number of times for us this season in the PL and CL and will be an important part in us doing well in both. They should have been capable of better.
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I'm not going to overreact, but it is dispiriting to go out of yet another domestic cup.
It's not as simple as getting angry at team selection or individual mistakes, it's just the general apathy that seems to pervade our whole approach - from manager to players to some supporters.
The last ten winners of the League Cup have been:
Chelsea
Man City
Man Utd
Man City
Man City
Man City
Man City
Liverpool
Man Utd
Liverpool
All of those have won (or in Man City and Chelsea's case, bought) the League and the European Cup multiple times since we last won anything at all.
If they don't consider it beneath them to put the required effort in to win the League Cup, I don't see why we should.
You say the most sensible things past the witching hour Rory. You can't pick and choose what you are going to win. It must always be take part to win mentality as shown by your listing.
I suspect though that if you looked at their teams, prior to the semi-final stage, that they played much weaker teams also and often risked dropping out early. Their weaker teams have just been much better than ours.
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Just catching up with things.
https://www.skysports.com/football/aston-villa-vs-c-palace/522585
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So if we had got through we would have had an away tie at Arsenal.
Yes and we would rather play Arsenal in the quarters than semis or final.
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I suspect though that if you looked at their teams, prior to the semi-final stage, that they played much weaker teams also and often risked dropping out early. Their weaker teams have just been much better than ours.
But as Clubs they have prioritised winning trophies, any trophy and that's the difference.
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I suspect though that if you looked at their teams, prior to the semi-final stage, that they played much weaker teams also and often risked dropping out early. Their weaker teams have just been much better than ours.
But as Clubs they have prioritised winning trophies, any trophy and that's the difference.
You wouldn't have said Man City were particularly prioritising beating Tottenham yesterday playing O'Reilly, McAtee, bringing on Wright and Simpson-Pusey, they just often get away with it.
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I suspect though that if you looked at their teams, prior to the semi-final stage, that they played much weaker teams also and often risked dropping out early. Their weaker teams have just been much better than ours.
But as Clubs they have prioritised winning trophies, any trophy and that's the difference.
You wouldn't have said Man City were particularly prioritising beating Tottenham yesterday playing O'Reilly, McAtee, bringing on Wright and Simpson-Pusey, they just often get away with it.
Indeed.
They manage their squads to handle multiple competitions, too.
This idea that we are any different from other clubs in doing what we did last night is nonsense, as is the annual performative rage about winning cups.
Of course we all want to win cups. It just isn't that simple, is it?
We lost last night because Diego Carlos - a regular first teamer - assisted beautifully. For the opposition.
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If we'd turned up to the last few finals we got to we might not be having this discussion (recent LC v C115y aside) .
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So if we had got through we would have had an away tie at Arsenal.
Yes and we would rather play Arsenal in the quarters than semis or final.
That draw did make me feel a bit better about going out
No way we’re going to Highbury and winning with our non-priority attitude to this cup and Lackadaisical performances
Yes I did google how to spell it
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Nothing wrong with the team selection he put out last night, it was packed with internationals.
He is right to be a bit pissed with the performance, both goals down to defensive blunders.
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Didn’t help Ten Hag winning 2 trophies.
Success is measured by how much money we’re making, CL is much more lucrative than winning the League Cup.
Unai knows what the owners want, unfortunately fans and owners hopes and dreams are different.
Personally I would love us to win a trophy again, but It just doesn’t seem a priority to Unai, which I understand too.
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Didn’t help Ten Hag winning 2 trophies.
Success is measured by how much money we’re making, CL is much more lucrative than winning the League Cup.
Unai knows what the owners want, unfortunately fans and owners hopes and dreams are different.
Personally I would love us to win a trophy again, but It just doesn’t seem a priority to Unai, which I understand too.
That is the truth. We all want to see silverware but 4th or maybe 5th is bigger than the League Cup and the FA cup for that matter in terms of income and allowing us to get better players. It would be nice winning something though.
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Didn’t help Ten Hag winning 2 trophies.
Success is measured by how much money we’re making, CL is much more lucrative than winning the League Cup.
Unai knows what the owners want, unfortunately fans and owners hopes and dreams are different.
Personally I would love us to win a trophy again, but It just doesn’t seem a priority to Unai, which I understand too.
Of course it’s a priority for the manager, everything in his career to date and statements since he has been here attest to that. He’s also made it clear that this was 4th on his list with the league being the most important.
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On plus side, the match gave 90mins to Kamara and Mi gs vs decent PL opposition, same also for the 2 back-up full backs. Bigger picture and all that. Ok, so out of a comp but not having more games may well be a blessing.
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Didn’t help Ten Hag winning 2 trophies.
It did, it got him a contract extension in the summer.
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Nothing wrong with the team selection he put out last night, it was packed with internationals.
He is right to be a bit pissed with the performance, both goals down to defensive blunders.
It's not been so much the team selection in the cup ties, it's been the lack of intensity and application on show. It's an attitude which seems to run through the club when it comes to domestic cups.
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I had no issue at all with the starting 11 last night. I was very disappointed that there were not better options on the bench.
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Didn’t help Ten Hag winning 2 trophies.
It did, it got him a contract extension in the summer.
It got him a bigger compensation pot.
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£18m according to reports
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I had no issue at all with the starting 11 last night. I was very disappointed that there were not better options on the bench.
Same here. That team should have been able to beat Palace but failed. I hate to question Unai's methods but that bench wasn't capable of changing things in the he normally does.
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Only caveat he started Mings Kamara Buendia who all haven't played for ages
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Any idea what this was about?
(https://i.ibb.co/9wHXMRm/20241031-194141.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4sRyQBw)
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He celebrates like that after every goal he scores.
Class player, would be such a good fit in a Emery team.
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Any idea what this was about?
(https://i.ibb.co/9wHXMRm/20241031-194141.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4sRyQBw)
I mentioned it in an earlier post. Gesturing the Holte when he scored is fair game but he carried on winding them up for ages afterwards. He appeared to spit on the ground towards the Holte then when he went off he dragged his feet and had a silly grin on his face. All a bit strange I thought.
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Let’s hope his injury is nothing trivial.
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I had no issue at all with the starting 11 last night. I was very disappointed that there were not better options on the bench.
Same here. That team should have been able to beat Palace but failed. I hate to question Unai's methods but that bench wasn't capable of changing things in the he normally does.
Snap. This defeat is still p*ssing me off.
It's almost as if what the supporters deem as success (trophies) and what the owners deem as success (balance sheet) are two completely different things!!
Granted, the latter is important but if we are putting all our eggs into winning the Premier League or the Champions League we will have to be very, very patient.
I'm to old to be patient. >:(
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I had no issue at all with the starting 11 last night. I was very disappointed that there were not better options on the bench.
Same here. That team should have been able to beat Palace but failed. I hate to question Unai's methods but that bench wasn't capable of changing things in the he normally does.
Snap. This defeat is still p*ssing me off.
It's almost as if what the supporters deem as success (trophies) and what the owners deem as success (balance sheet) are two completely different things!!
Granted, the latter is important but if we are putting all our eggs into winning the Premier League or the Champions League we will have to be very, very patient.
I'm to old to be patient. >:(
The logic is a bit off here. If success in the domestic cups was more important to fans, it would also be better for the balance sheet, because they’d be able to charge more for tickets and TV rights.
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I had no issue at all with the starting 11 last night. I was very disappointed that there were not better options on the bench.
Same here. That team should have been able to beat Palace but failed. I hate to question Unai's methods but that bench wasn't capable of changing things in the he normally does.
Snap. This defeat is still p*ssing me off.
It's almost as if what the supporters deem as success (trophies) and what the owners deem as success (balance sheet) are two completely different things!!
Granted, the latter is important but if we are putting all our eggs into winning the Premier League or the Champions League we will have to be very, very patient.
I'm to old to be patient. >:(
The logic is a bit off here. If success in the domestic cups was more important to fans, it would also be better for the balance sheet, because they’d be able to charge more for tickets and TV rights.
Not sure what you mean Percy (probably because I am stupid) but the financial rewards for winning the Carabao or FA Cup pale into insignificance compared to the income generated by qualifying for or winning the Champions League. I think our owners have made it clear to Unai where their priorities lie and domestic cups play no part in that.
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I had no issue at all with the starting 11 last night. I was very disappointed that there were not better options on the bench.
Same here. That team should have been able to beat Palace but failed. I hate to question Unai's methods but that bench wasn't capable of changing things in the he normally does.
Snap. This defeat is still p*ssing me off.
It's almost as if what the supporters deem as success (trophies) and what the owners deem as success (balance sheet) are two completely different things!!
Granted, the latter is important but if we are putting all our eggs into winning the Premier League or the Champions League we will have to be very, very patient.
I'm to old to be patient. >:(
The logic is a bit off here. If success in the domestic cups was more important to fans, it would also be better for the balance sheet, because they’d be able to charge more for tickets and TV rights.
Not sure what you mean Percy (probably because I am stupid) but the financial rewards for winning the Carabao or FA Cup pale into insignificance compared to the income generated by qualifying for or winning the Champions League. I think our owners have made it clear to Unai where their priorities lie and domestic cups play no part in that.
I think that would be Unai’s view too regardless of the owners.
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I had no issue at all with the starting 11 last night. I was very disappointed that there were not better options on the bench.
Same here. That team should have been able to beat Palace but failed. I hate to question Unai's methods but that bench wasn't capable of changing things in the he normally does.
Snap. This defeat is still p*ssing me off.
It's almost as if what the supporters deem as success (trophies) and what the owners deem as success (balance sheet) are two completely different things!!
Granted, the latter is important but if we are putting all our eggs into winning the Premier League or the Champions League we will have to be very, very patient.
I'm to old to be patient. >:(
The logic is a bit off here. If success in the domestic cups was more important to fans, it would also be better for the balance sheet, because they’d be able to charge more for tickets and TV rights.
Not sure what you mean Percy (probably because I am stupid) but the financial rewards for winning the Carabao or FA Cup pale into insignificance compared to the income generated by qualifying for or winning the Champions League. I think our owners have made it clear to Unai where their priorities lie and domestic cups play no part in that.
My point is, if the domestic cups were more important to fans, as you suggest, they would generate greater income. The prices for admission and TV coverage are generated by demand. If people were prepared to pay £97 to watch us play Crystal Palace in the League Cup, and if viewers were willing to pay subscriptions to watch it, the owners’ message to Unai would be different.
But they’re not, so it isn’t.
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I had no issue at all with the starting 11 last night. I was very disappointed that there were not better options on the bench.
Same here. That team should have been able to beat Palace but failed. I hate to question Unai's methods but that bench wasn't capable of changing things in the he normally does.
Snap. This defeat is still p*ssing me off.
It's almost as if what the supporters deem as success (trophies) and what the owners deem as success (balance sheet) are two completely different things!!
Granted, the latter is important but if we are putting all our eggs into winning the Premier League or the Champions League we will have to be very, very patient.
I'm to old to be patient. >:(
The logic is a bit off here. If success in the domestic cups was more important to fans, it would also be better for the balance sheet, because they’d be able to charge more for tickets and TV rights.
Not sure what you mean Percy (probably because I am stupid) but the financial rewards for winning the Carabao or FA Cup pale into insignificance compared to the income generated by qualifying for or winning the Champions League. I think our owners have made it clear to Unai where their priorities lie and domestic cups play no part in that.
I think that would be Unai’s view too regardless of the owners.
Perhaps, but when managing PSG he lifted both the French Cup and League Cup twice.
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Yes but at PSG he had resources that dwarfed the competition and enough players to compete for every trophy.
That's not the case with us.
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I had no issue at all with the starting 11 last night. I was very disappointed that there were not better options on the bench.
Same here. That team should have been able to beat Palace but failed. I hate to question Unai's methods but that bench wasn't capable of changing things in the he normally does.
Snap. This defeat is still p*ssing me off.
It's almost as if what the supporters deem as success (trophies) and what the owners deem as success (balance sheet) are two completely different things!!
Granted, the latter is important but if we are putting all our eggs into winning the Premier League or the Champions League we will have to be very, very patient.
I'm to old to be patient. >:(
The logic is a bit off here. If success in the domestic cups was more important to fans, it would also be better for the balance sheet, because they’d be able to charge more for tickets and TV rights.
Not sure what you mean Percy (probably because I am stupid) but the financial rewards for winning the Carabao or FA Cup pale into insignificance compared to the income generated by qualifying for or winning the Champions League. I think our owners have made it clear to Unai where their priorities lie and domestic cups play no part in that.
My point is, if the domestic cups were more important to fans, as you suggest, they would generate greater income. The prices for admission and TV coverage are generated by demand. If people were prepared to pay £97 to watch us play Crystal Palace in the League Cup, and if viewers were willing to pay subscriptions to watch it, the owners’ message to Unai would be different.
But they’re not, so it isn’t.
Percy, I never suggested that domestic cups were 'more' important to fans. But, they are important and should not be readily dismissed. Particularly now that we have a full squad.
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I don't agree with putting the first team on the bench. If he's giving first teamers a rest, it's right to give them a rest rather than have to turn up and do all the warm ups and prep and then not play.
It'd be like me being given the day off but still having to travel in and sit at my desk with the computer off
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I don't agree with putting the first team on the bench. If he's giving first teamers a rest, it's right to give them a rest rather than have to turn up and do all the warm ups and prep and then not play.
It'd be like me being given the day off but still having to travel in and sit at my desk with the computer off
My view too. Though that made the presence of JJ and Cash a bit weird.
My interpretation of him bringing on the kids late on (and more or less hoisting the white flag on the result), was that he must have promised those guys a few minutes before we went out - as though that were more important than the result.
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Yes but at PSG he had resources that dwarfed the competition and enough players to compete for every trophy.
That's not the case with us.
As said by others, a stronger bench and we probably would have won that game. Is 30 minutes extra playing time for 5 of our star players for the occasional domestic cup match really going to knacker them out?
We are blessed to have Unai, Naz and Wes but I do question their approach to domestic cups. The thought of Spuds or the Geordies raising a trophy also p*sses me off. >:(
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If you want to properly rest players you do not put them on the bench.Being on the bench means all the preparation and warm ups and being with the team all day or even the night before.This is not resting.
I have no problem with the squad he picked for the game because I believe he is doing what he thinks is best for the club.
Iif you choose to go to a domestic cup match you know what to expect.
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I saw something on the difference in income between the League Cup & Champions League & you get £100,000 for winning the League Cup & we’re getting £2.1 million for every win in The Champions League even now. The League Cup is never going to bring in that money regardless of what the fans want because it doesn’t have an international income for a start.
The League Cup has been won for years by Champions League Teams who can still win by putting out their second string in the early rounds.FA Cup pretty much the same.
We have to hope to be able to move into that range sooner rather than later - To still be able to win a domestic cup even if it isn’t ’a priority’. I don’t think we’re that far off tbh, but we could fall away from there if we don’t get the balance right.
I would have liked us to go through because actually the team we put out was good enough and really the game itself could have gone either way.
The subs was the point when I felt we threw it though - & that was mystifying to me.
Hard to be angry with Unai though isn’t it?
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I saw something on the difference in income between the League Cup & Champions League & you get £100,000 for winning the League Cup & we’re getting £2.1 million for every win in The Champions League even now. The League Cup is never going to bring in that money regardless of what the fans want because it doesn’t have an international income for a start.
The League Cup has been won for years by Champions League Teams who can still win by putting out their second string in the early rounds.FA Cup pretty much the same.
We have to hope to be able to move into that range sooner rather than later - To still be able to win a domestic cup even if it isn’t ’a priority’. I don’t think we’re that far off tbh, but we could fall away from there if we don’t get the balance right.
I would have liked us to go through because actually the team we put out was good enough and really the game itself could have gone either way.
The subs was the point when I felt we threw it though - & that was mystifying to me.
Hard to be angry with Unai though isn’t it?
It isnt going to be the money spinner compared the the CL but if we are effectively concentrating on the CL and prem, the club are happy enough to take fans money for a game that the club does not see as a priority and costing them out of games that they do. If we are not in it to win it, why bother entering?
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Agreed Wince, be interesting to see if fans choose to keep their money in their own bank account for the FA Cup third round!!
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If you want to properly rest players you do not put them on the bench.Being on the bench means all the preparation and warm ups and being with the team all day or even the night before.This is not resting.
I have no problem with the squad he picked for the game because I believe he is doing what he thinks is best for the club.
Iif you choose to go to a domestic cup match you know what to expect.
I agree - which is why we may as well have chucked Ramsey on for the last half an hour to try and retrieve the game instead of a couple of callow youths.
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Agreed Wince, be interesting to see if fans choose to keep their money in their own bank account for the FA Cup third round!!
Well, they’ll be heavily discounted, like they were v Chelsea last season. Which is the biggest indicator of the FA Cup’s importance to the fans.
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Yes but at PSG he had resources that dwarfed the competition and enough players to compete for every trophy.
That's not the case with us.
As said by others, a stronger bench and we probably would have won that game. Is 30 minutes extra playing time for 5 of our star players for the occasional domestic cup match really going to knacker them out?
We are blessed to have Unai, Naz and Wes but I do question their approach to domestic cups. The thought of Spuds or the Geordies raising a trophy also p*sses me off. >:(
Palace are through and have injuries to their two best players as a result.
Had the same thing happened to us and we lost Watkins and Martinez to injury on Wednesday there would have been murder on here after.
I reckon if we'd have beat Chelsea and went deeper in the FA Cup last season we wouldn't have got over the line and finished 4th.
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Any idea what this was about?
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Time out until after international break?