Post by: Somniloquism on October 21, 2024, 09:37:48 AM
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Aston Villa have entered the race to sign Cameroon forward Bryan Mbeumo, 25, from Brentford.
Post by: Dave on October 21, 2024, 09:52:49 AM
As we don't currently have a winter thread...
We do now.
Post by: eamonn on October 21, 2024, 09:55:56 AM
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 21, 2024, 09:58:57 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 21, 2024, 10:03:21 AM
True. But, I like Mbuemo. It's exactly what Watkins needs. More competition to destroy his depleted confidence.
He'd be competition for Rogers though, wouldn't he? We do need another option there if Emery doesn't think Buendia can step up.
Post by: LeeB on October 21, 2024, 10:06:47 AM
Post by: Dave on October 21, 2024, 10:21:41 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 21, 2024, 10:23:51 AM
Now if we look at the right backs out of contract end of season there could be a possibility to make a strategic offer this window.
Also possible to sign them up for next season on a free
28 year old Dutch Denzel Dumfries of Inter would be an excellent move.
Post by: Axl Rose on October 21, 2024, 10:25:05 AM
Right Backs.
Now if we look at the right backs out of contract end of season there could be a possibility to make a strategic offer this window.
Also possible to sign them up for next season on a free
28 year old Dutch Denzel Dumfries of Inter would be an excellent move.
What's your feeling about the links to Fernando Nelson?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 21, 2024, 10:26:23 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 21, 2024, 10:27:33 AM
Fernando Nélson Jesus Vieira Alves (born 5 November 1971), known as Nélson, is a Portuguese retired professional footballer who played as a right-back.Right Backs.
Now if we look at the right backs out of contract end of season there could be a possibility to make a strategic offer this window.
Also possible to sign them up for next season on a free
28 year old Dutch Denzel Dumfries of Inter would be an excellent move.
What's your feeling about the links to Fernando Nelson?
Oh a former player. He has a two year stint at Villa.
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 21, 2024, 10:29:16 AM
Right Backs.
Now if we look at the right backs out of contract end of season there could be a possibility to make a strategic offer this window.
Also possible to sign them up for next season on a free
28 year old Dutch Denzel Dumfries of Inter would be an excellent move.
What's your feeling about the links to Fernando Nelson?
I remember when our right back was Kenny Swain, and Villa boys like Des and Jim and Ken had proper names.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 21, 2024, 10:35:48 AM
Robin Olsen and Courtney Hause expiry in summer 2025
So could be looking at bringing in another keeper in January
Hause a loyal servant who has been unlucky with injuries.
I suspect he'll leave on a free.
Contract expiry 2026 potential player sales this winter?
Of first team squad Carlos, Digne , Mings and Buendia will all have 18 months to run in contract come the opening of winter window.
I can see Buendia being loaned out at very least if he isn't getting much more game time.
Post by: Dave P on October 21, 2024, 01:56:57 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 21, 2024, 02:05:35 PM
Post by: Londonvilla on October 21, 2024, 02:44:10 PM
Taking all this into consideration, what will our summer transfer policy be?
Based on where we are now with a good first-team squad. I think our overarching philosophy as it relates to transfers should be the same as Juventus. A player should fulfil one of the following categories:
• Walk straight into the first team – quality additions, relegating existing players to the bench.
• Wonder kid – a young player with a high ceiling.
At no point should we ever consider foreign journeymen who restrict us in terms of the home-grown rule and block pathways for our younger players. (I also object to home-grown journeymen, but I understand why some clubs purchase them to act as number three goalkeepers or to help control the dressing room.)
Looking at our current squad, we need to upgrade at right back and right-wing (Quality starters). I would be happy to see us go big in these two areas and then add two or three wonder kids covering central defence, attacking midfield, and centre forward.
Looking at the January transfer window and the free market players. This is the list of players I think we should be talking to:
Out of contract in 2025: The best free agents available on a Bosman
Tariq Lamptey (Brighton) is a home-grown right back who is better on the ball and quicker than Matty Cash.
Denzel Dumfries (Inter) is clearly looking for a big payday. So this one may be unrealistic, but taking into consideration that when we attack, we often go to 3 at the back, his size and pace would make an excellent right-sided centre-back in a three.
Rayan Cherki (Lyon). I’m unclear why no one signed him last summer; I see him as a clear upgrade for us on the right with the bonus that he can play on the left and as a number 10.
Angel Gomes (Lille). This Swiss army knife of a player can play right wing numbers 10, 8, and 6. He is a conductor and surprisingly good in a tackle for someone so small, with the added bonus of being home-grown.
Amad Diallo (Manchester United). I'm not sure why Manure has not signed up for a new contract. I put him in the wonder kid bracket. I would definitely be talking to his agent in January. Even if you couldn’t sign in until the summer.
Kyle Walker-Peters (Southampton). I’ve always liked him, can play left back or right back’s would start ahead of Cash at right back.
Lionel Messi (Inter Miami). I always like the idea of a hidden gem—you know, the sort of player no one has ever heard of who turns out to be great. Messi is out of contract, and this time, a goalkeeper made a few calls.
So, what do you think of my analysis and the list of free agents? Have I missed anyone out?
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 21, 2024, 02:54:20 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on October 21, 2024, 02:57:20 PM
True. But, I like Mbuemo. It's exactly what Watkins needs. More competition to destroy his depleted confidence.
He'd be competition for Rogers though, wouldn't he? We do need another option there if Emery doesn't think Buendia can step up.
I'd see it a Buendia replacement. More reliable in some of the what have no become more mundane league games.
I thought he was excellent against us last season at Villa Park - we made it easy for him but he really took advantage.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 21, 2024, 04:23:38 PM
True. But, I like Mbuemo. It's exactly what Watkins needs. More competition to destroy his depleted confidence.
What depleted confidence? Hasn’t he got something like 8 or 9 goal contributions already this season?
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 21, 2024, 04:45:05 PM
True. But, I like Mbuemo. It's exactly what Watkins needs. More competition to destroy his depleted confidence.
What depleted confidence? Hasn’t he got something like 8 or 9 goal contributions already this season?
It was a bit tongue in cheek TV, although he started the season a bit shit.
It amuses me that he clearly doesn't much like the limelight Duran has been receiving. Go on, deny it.
Post by: garyellis on October 21, 2024, 05:27:16 PM
We have Cash, Konsa, Nedeljković and Bogarde there. With Mings back we have the option to play Konsa right back more than we did before. With Bailey being hit-and-miss this season and Philogene still unproven, amazing super party goals winger has to be the priority.Anybody think Mudryk could be a shout?
Post by: aj2k77 on October 21, 2024, 05:36:37 PM
We have Cash, Konsa, Nedeljković and Bogarde there. With Mings back we have the option to play Konsa right back more than we did before. With Bailey being hit-and-miss this season and Philogene still unproven, amazing super party goals winger has to be the priority.Anybody think Mudryk could be a shout?
The only thing I'd shout at Mudryk is '' You're a shit waste of ££££ ''
Post by: Nii Lamptey on October 21, 2024, 05:43:24 PM
1) We desperately need a top drawer RB - A right sided version of Luca Digne or Maatsen is critical. Someone who can defend and doesn't give away silly fouls or penalties all the time, and doesn't get a nose bleed when they enter the attacking third.
2) Bailey was brilliant last season, but for whatever reason, be it form or injury issues, he's faltering a little so far. If there are funds available after snapping up a RB, competition for that right winger spot should be next on the list.
...and that's it. We don't need anyone else.
Post by: aj2k77 on October 21, 2024, 05:44:32 PM
Post by: Mister E on October 21, 2024, 05:45:26 PM
And I'd be there shouting it with you. We already have Bailey, anyway ;D ;D ;DThe only thing I'd shout at Mudryk is '' You're a shit waste of ££££ ''We have Cash, Konsa, Nedeljković and Bogarde there. With Mings back we have the option to play Konsa right back more than we did before. With Bailey being hit-and-miss this season and Philogene still unproven, amazing super party goals winger has to be the priority.Anybody think Mudryk could be a shout?
Post by: Mister E on October 21, 2024, 05:47:41 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 21, 2024, 06:04:52 PM
We have Cash, Konsa, Nedeljković and Bogarde there. With Mings back we have the option to play Konsa right back more than we did before. With Bailey being hit-and-miss this season and Philogene still unproven, amazing super party goals winger has to be the priority.Anybody think Mudryk could be a shout?
No but i would take madueke
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 21, 2024, 06:12:51 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 21, 2024, 06:37:52 PM
True. But, I like Mbuemo. It's exactly what Watkins needs. More competition to destroy his depleted confidence.
What depleted confidence? Hasn’t he got something like 8 or 9 goal contributions already this season?
It was a bit tongue in cheek TV, although he started the season a bit shit.
It amuses me that he clearly doesn't much like the limelight Duran has been receiving. Go on, deny it.
Yeh, I doubt any number 1 striker, and especially that position wants to play less one share the spotlight. But to stay a part of this amazing story all the players need to embrace the squad aspect. My guess is he respects what Duran offers something he can never do, and vice versa. It’s working well for now that they have quite unique traits. The question for us will can we keep both happy with the balance of minutes as it is now. And with Duran especially, does the club become tempted to sell him for a monster price should one come in? Not like there are many clubs who could pay it. He ain’t £40m anymore.
Post by: VillaTim on October 21, 2024, 07:19:04 PM
Post by: OCD on October 21, 2024, 07:45:23 PM
Post by: Beard82 on October 21, 2024, 07:51:13 PM
Post by: AndyB6 on October 21, 2024, 08:52:55 PM
Booooooo! Transfer speculation sucks especially when we're the best team in the land. We don't need nobody else, just you and me.
Is that a reference to a Whipping Boy lyric??!
Post by: olaftab on October 21, 2024, 09:14:44 PM
True. But, I like Mbuemo. It's exactly what Watkins needs. More competition to destroy his depleted confidence.And it’s been a while since we donated funds to keep Brentford in the Premier League.
Post by: Steve67 on October 21, 2024, 09:37:29 PM
Post by: Matt C on October 22, 2024, 12:13:24 AM
Anyone think we miss Diaby at all?
Bailey does.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 22, 2024, 01:24:00 AM
Fernando Nélson Jesus Vieira Alves (born 5 November 1971), known as Nélson, is a Portuguese retired professional footballer who played as a right-back.Right Backs.
Now if we look at the right backs out of contract end of season there could be a possibility to make a strategic offer this window.
Also possible to sign them up for next season on a free
28 year old Dutch Denzel Dumfries of Inter would be an excellent move.
What's your feeling about the links to Fernando Nelson?
Oh a former player. He has a two year stint at Villa.
Did one of you ever play a memory man on Frasier?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 22, 2024, 01:39:04 AM
True. But, I like Mbuemo. It's exactly what Watkins needs. More competition to destroy his depleted confidence.
What depleted confidence? Hasn’t he got something like 8 or 9 goal contributions already this season?
It was a bit tongue in cheek TV, although he started the season a bit shit.
It amuses me that he clearly doesn't much like the limelight Duran has been receiving. Go on, deny it.
8.
5 goals, 3 assists.
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 22, 2024, 06:28:06 AM
True. But, I like Mbuemo. It's exactly what Watkins needs. More competition to destroy his depleted confidence.
What depleted confidence? Hasn’t he got something like 8 or 9 goal contributions already this season?
It was a bit tongue in cheek TV, although he started the season a bit shit.
It amuses me that he clearly doesn't much like the limelight Duran has been receiving. Go on, deny it.
8.
5 goals, 3 assists.
You're not making any point I've argued against.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 22, 2024, 06:41:03 AM
True. But, I like Mbuemo. It's exactly what Watkins needs. More competition to destroy his depleted confidence.
What depleted confidence? Hasn’t he got something like 8 or 9 goal contributions already this season?
It was a bit tongue in cheek TV, although he started the season a bit shit.
It amuses me that he clearly doesn't much like the limelight Duran has been receiving. Go on, deny it.
8.
5 goals, 3 assists.
You're not making any point I've argued against.
I know. I’m not arguing.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 22, 2024, 03:35:32 PM
Post by: eye digress on October 22, 2024, 04:59:44 PM
Only reason I can think of for Bailey’s downturn in form. Not because they were bezzies (were they?), but because the competition seemed to bring out the best in Leon (and maybe the worst in Diaby). Even if they weren’t playing the exact same position, they didn’t start often together, from memory.Anyone think we miss Diaby at all?
Bailey does.
Also, in hindsight, would we have preferred Philogene versus Bayern, or Diaby?
I know which I’d have preferred, without that being a slight on Jaden, who I like as a player.
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2024, 05:12:55 PM
Only reason I can think of for Bailey’s downturn in form. Not because they were bezzies (were they?), but because the competition seemed to bring out the best in Leon (and maybe the worst in Diaby). Even if they weren’t playing the exact same position, they didn’t start often together, from memory.Anyone think we miss Diaby at all?
Bailey does.
Also, in hindsight, would we have preferred Philogene versus Bayern, or Diaby?
I know which I’d have preferred, without that being a slight on Jaden, who I like as a player.
But we needed a disciplined, defensive role from the player that night and I'm not convinved we'd have got that from Diaby.
There's a lesson in this thinking to be taken from our opponents that night and their manager. Musiala is an outstanding, world class player, a genuine threat and when he was coming on I was worried at the damage he could cause, but what I wasn't thinking of was how bringing him on would open up space elsewhere on the pitch, the very space where the ball went through from Torres to Duran.
Post by: IFWaters on October 22, 2024, 06:26:47 PM
It is official. Aston Villa is a good football team, and we boast not only a strong first eleven but also an incredibly strong bench. In practice, this means that the January and summer transfer windows will be fascinating, as we will be in the position where people come into the first team, meaning that existing first-team players will move to the bench, and bench players will have to leave the club. We only have two prominent names out of contract this summer: Kortney Hause and Robin Olsen, who have contributed very little and will not be missed from the playing point of view. Philippe Coutinho and Leander Dendoncker are high earners who will probably come off the books in the summer, freeing up valuable wages.
Dumfries would be my pick but at 28 already he may not fit with Monchis aim to get the squad age down. Having said that he would fit his other criteria of being a tall physical player. Imagine pinging corners in to him , Onana, Mings, Rogers, Duran and / or Watkins.
Taking all this into consideration, what will our summer transfer policy be?
Based on where we are now with a good first-team squad. I think our overarching philosophy as it relates to transfers should be the same as Juventus. A player should fulfil one of the following categories:
• Walk straight into the first team – quality additions, relegating existing players to the bench.
• Wonder kid – a young player with a high ceiling.
At no point should we ever consider foreign journeymen who restrict us in terms of the home-grown rule and block pathways for our younger players. (I also object to home-grown journeymen, but I understand why some clubs purchase them to act as number three goalkeepers or to help control the dressing room.)
Looking at our current squad, we need to upgrade at right back and right-wing (Quality starters). I would be happy to see us go big in these two areas and then add two or three wonder kids covering central defence, attacking midfield, and centre forward.
Looking at the January transfer window and the free market players. This is the list of players I think we should be talking to:
Out of contract in 2025: The best free agents available on a Bosman
Tariq Lamptey (Brighton) is a home-grown right back who is better on the ball and quicker than Matty Cash.
Denzel Dumfries (Inter) is clearly looking for a big payday. So this one may be unrealistic, but taking into consideration that when we attack, we often go to 3 at the back, his size and pace would make an excellent right-sided centre-back in a three.
Rayan Cherki (Lyon). I’m unclear why no one signed him last summer; I see him as a clear upgrade for us on the right with the bonus that he can play on the left and as a number 10.
Angel Gomes (Lille). This Swiss army knife of a player can play right wing numbers 10, 8, and 6. He is a conductor and surprisingly good in a tackle for someone so small, with the added bonus of being home-grown.
Amad Diallo (Manchester United). I'm not sure why Manure has not signed up for a new contract. I put him in the wonder kid bracket. I would definitely be talking to his agent in January. Even if you couldn’t sign in until the summer.
Kyle Walker-Peters (Southampton). I’ve always liked him, can play left back or right back’s would start ahead of Cash at right back.
Lionel Messi (Inter Miami). I always like the idea of a hidden gem—you know, the sort of player no one has ever heard of who turns out to be great. Messi is out of contract, and this time, a goalkeeper made a few calls.
So, what do you think of my analysis and the list of free agents? Have I missed anyone out?
Post by: Smithy on October 22, 2024, 09:03:07 PM
We could probably do with upgrading our right-back options so they’re close to the equal of Digne/Maatsen on the other side, but I suspect that’s not likely to be a January deal.
Even if it is, we’d have to be moving people on to make room.
Barring injuries, I suspect any transfers we make this winter will be driven by the need to move on any players who will be entering their final year next summer, rather than the upgrade of a glaring lack of quality.
Which is, frankly, a brilliant position to be in.
Post by: villadelph on October 25, 2024, 02:12:47 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 25, 2024, 07:49:24 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 25, 2024, 08:46:14 AM
Duran for Nico, straight swap.
Who is Nico?
If you’re talking about the Bilbao player there’s a very significant reason that swap cannot happen.
Post by: Ads on October 25, 2024, 09:01:55 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 25, 2024, 09:08:51 AM
Post by: lovejoy on October 25, 2024, 09:12:12 AM
Duran for Nico, straight swap.
think on it.
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2024, 09:25:36 AM
Duran for Nico, straight swap.
Who is Nico?
If you’re talking about the Bilbao player there’s a very significant reason that swap cannot happen.
Not that I think we should, but what's the reason we couldn't?
Post by: JD on October 25, 2024, 09:42:28 AM
Duran for Nico, straight swap.
Who is Nico?
If you’re talking about the Bilbao player there’s a very significant reason that swap cannot happen.
Not that I think we should, but what's the reason we couldn't?
Don't Bilbao only let Basque players or players grown up in the Basque region play for them?
Post by: Dave on October 25, 2024, 10:04:16 AM
Duran for Nico, straight swap.
Who is Nico?
If you’re talking about the Bilbao player there’s a very significant reason that swap cannot happen.
Not that I think we should, but what's the reason we couldn't?
Don't Bilbao only let Basque players or players grown up in the Basque region play for them?
Yup. We *could*, they couldn't / wouldn't.
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 25, 2024, 11:25:57 AM
Duran for Nico, straight swap.
How dense can you possibly be?
Post by: villadelph on October 25, 2024, 12:33:59 PM
Duran for Nico, straight swap.
How dense can you possibly be?
Oh, I was deadly serious ::)
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2024, 01:00:24 PM
Post by: LukeJames on October 25, 2024, 03:23:07 PM
Apparently we have bid 13m for JanuarySigning a whole month. Fucking revolutionary we are!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 25, 2024, 03:24:55 PM
Apparently we have bid 13m for JanuarySigning a whole month. Fucking revolutionary we are!
Gerrard would have offered 13m for February.
Post by: Mister E on October 25, 2024, 03:28:59 PM
Being linked with ferran torres again. Apparently we have bid 13m for JanuaryFT's goalscoring over his career is underwhelming. No thanks.
Post by: eamonn on October 25, 2024, 04:28:10 PM
Booooooo! Transfer speculation sucks especially when we're the best team in the land. We don't need nobody else, just you and me.
Is that a reference to a Whipping Boy lyric??!
Sure is. Deadly, wernt they?
Post by: eamonn on October 25, 2024, 04:29:14 PM
Apparently we have bid 13m for JanuarySigning a whole month. Fucking revolutionary we are!
I think it's for January Jones.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 25, 2024, 06:49:54 PM
Apparently we have bid 13m for JanuarySigning a whole month. Fucking revolutionary we are!
Gerrard would have offered 13m for February.
Chortle.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on October 25, 2024, 08:43:43 PM
Duran for Nico, straight swap.
Maybe last summer, but not these days.
Post by: eye digress on October 27, 2024, 11:48:49 AM
And £150k per week.Apparently we have bid 13m for JanuarySigning a whole month. Fucking revolutionary we are!
Gerrard would have offered 13m for February.
Post by: Londonvilla on October 28, 2024, 01:53:00 PM
It is suggested that Aston Villa are open to letting Olsen move on, despite the fact that he is under contract..
Malmo are exploring several possibilities to bring the 34-year-old back to his homeland
https://insidefutbol.com/2024/10/28/club-holding-concrete-talks-to-sign-aston-villa-star-villa-ready-to-open-door/664811/
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 28, 2024, 02:07:54 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 28, 2024, 03:08:05 PM
Poor keeper in my view. Happy for gauci to take over as no 2
Post by: OCD on October 28, 2024, 03:21:09 PM
It seems odd that we have re-elevated him to second choice if we are planning on getting rid. Unless Gauci picked up a knock with the Aussies.
We've not re-elevated him, he's back from an injury that's kept him out all season.
Post by: Accent Guy on October 28, 2024, 03:26:00 PM
Ill happily let olsen go if there is interest.
Poor keeper in my view. Happy for gauci to take over as no 2
I have not impressed with either tbh. I would seriously worry if Emi was out for any significant length of time.
Post by: DrGonzo on October 28, 2024, 06:25:58 PM
Post by: paul_e on October 29, 2024, 11:30:39 AM
Ill happily let olsen go if there is interest.
Poor keeper in my view. Happy for gauci to take over as no 2
I have not impressed with either tbh. I would seriously worry if Emi was out for any significant length of time.
Bit harsh given Gauci has played 1 game for us (and did ok before conceding a silly late goal that he couldn't do much about because the defenders in front of him were running on empty).
Post by: Londonvilla on October 30, 2024, 02:43:31 PM
Christantus Uche only joined Getafe in the summer from Spanish third-tier club AD Ceuta FC for €500,000. While not many expected him to hit the ground running soon, the attacking midfielder has done the opposite by becoming a key star for the La Liga club.
Post by: Londonvilla on October 30, 2024, 02:48:19 PM
https://www.birminghamworld.uk/sport/football/aston-villa/bazoumana-toure-newcastle-united-aston-villa-hammarby-wolves-4845656
Post by: Londonvilla on October 30, 2024, 03:59:42 PM
According to a report by Argentine outlet El Crack Deportivo, Kevin Zenon is the subject of interest from Aston Villa. The Villans are keen on bolstering their wide options next year, with the Boca Juniors prospect emerging as a target. Meanwhile, Emiliano Martinez might prove crucial to the West Midlands club’s chances of landing the 23-year-old wide player.
https://thehardtackle.com/transfer-news/2024/10/29/aston-villa-considering-kevin-zenon-swoop/
Very good player
Post by: Demitri_C on October 30, 2024, 07:54:50 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 30, 2024, 08:04:07 PM
But this is the wrong bit of H&V for this comment during a match!
Demetri, what are you doing!
Post by: Demitri_C on October 30, 2024, 08:16:04 PM
Villa are great at winning from behind, this season 👍
But this is the wrong bit of H&V for this comment during a match!
Demetri, what are you doing!
Sorry guys ffs 😂
Post by: Louzie0 on October 30, 2024, 08:48:58 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 30, 2024, 11:04:32 PM
If we do not sign one, I am going to start quoting VillaTim and saying how much I agree with him. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, UNAI.
Post by: rougegorge on October 30, 2024, 11:10:59 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 30, 2024, 11:29:43 PM
Go for Mbeumo. He can play wide right as well as forward and would be a really good addition.
Or Semenyo.
Post by: LeeB on October 30, 2024, 11:32:24 PM
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 31, 2024, 02:53:12 AM
Aston Villa have been joined by a Premier League rival as the list of suitors grows in Hammarby wonderkid Bazoumana Toure
https://www.birminghamworld.uk/sport/football/aston-villa/bazoumana-toure-newcastle-united-aston-villa-hammarby-wolves-4845656
Bazou plays for my club so a player I know well. My initial reaction is that he is a long way off playing in premier league but, on the other hand, his development over just a few months with us has been exceptional. I know Villa had scouts in the stands when we beat Sirius away Saturday.
I hope we keep him for another season and sell him for much more money but our business model probably means we won't see him play a second season for us.
cdbearsfan will like him. A pacey winger that also scores!
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2024, 06:34:18 AM
Go for Mbeumo. He can play wide right as well as forward and would be a really good addition.
100% yes for me !
Post by: darren woolley on October 31, 2024, 09:10:38 AM
Go for Mbeumo. He can play wide right as well as forward and would be a really good addition.
100% yes for me !
Me too.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2024, 09:13:04 AM
Post by: eamonn on October 31, 2024, 01:44:12 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2024, 03:15:04 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 31, 2024, 03:15:50 PM
Aston Villa have been joined by a Premier League rival as the list of suitors grows in Hammarby wonderkid Bazoumana Toure
https://www.birminghamworld.uk/sport/football/aston-villa/bazoumana-toure-newcastle-united-aston-villa-hammarby-wolves-4845656
Bazou plays for my club so a player I know well. My initial reaction is that he is a long way off playing in premier league but, on the other hand, his development over just a few months with us has been exceptional. I know Villa had scouts in the stands when we beat Sirius away Saturday.
I hope we keep him for another season and sell him for much more money but our business model probably means we won't see him play a second season for us.
cdbearsfan will like him. A pacey winger that also scores!
Thanks for scouting him for us. 🙂
Get him signed, Villa.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2024, 03:50:59 PM
Don't we have another fifty million quid Champions League cash now, or do we get all that at the end of the season?
Doesn’t really matter when we get it, as long as it goes in the accounts eventually.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2024, 04:00:21 PM
I imagine Brentford would want at least £60m and we're bound by PSR and the even more stringent UEFA rules. I don't think we'll be buying anyone proven in the Premier League as the prices are too high.
Id pay it he will be worth that. Class player
Post by: rougegorge on October 31, 2024, 04:38:31 PM
Newcastle are apparently one of the clubs interested in signing him and they seemingly have their hands tied like us. We could get inventive and offer players in exchange. He's only just turned 25 and had a very productive season alongside Watkins a few seasons ago.I imagine Brentford would want at least £60m and we're bound by PSR and the even more stringent UEFA rules. I don't think we'll be buying anyone proven in the Premier League as the prices are too high.
Id pay it he will be worth that. Class player
Well I know we won't be signing him but he would definitely be an upgrade.
Post by: john e on October 31, 2024, 04:46:46 PM
Newcastle are apparently one of the clubs interested in signing him and they seemingly have their hands tied like us. We could get inventive and offer players in exchange. He's only just turned 25 and had a very productive season alongside Watkins a few seasons ago.I imagine Brentford would want at least £60m and we're bound by PSR and the even more stringent UEFA rules. I don't think we'll be buying anyone proven in the Premier League as the prices are too high.
Id pay it he will be worth that. Class player
Well I know we won't be signing him but he would definitely be an upgrade.
25 ! he looks 45
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2024, 04:54:39 PM
Newcastle are apparently one of the clubs interested in signing him and they seemingly have their hands tied like us. We could get inventive and offer players in exchange. He's only just turned 25 and had a very productive season alongside Watkins a few seasons ago.I imagine Brentford would want at least £60m and we're bound by PSR and the even more stringent UEFA rules. I don't think we'll be buying anyone proven in the Premier League as the prices are too high.
Id pay it he will be worth that. Class player
Well I know we won't be signing him but he would definitely be an upgrade.
Give them carlos 😁
Post by: eamonn on October 31, 2024, 05:01:08 PM
Newcastle are apparently one of the clubs interested in signing him and they seemingly have their hands tied like us. We could get inventive and offer players in exchange. He's only just turned 25 and had a very productive season alongside Watkins a few seasons ago.I imagine Brentford would want at least £60m and we're bound by PSR and the even more stringent UEFA rules. I don't think we'll be buying anyone proven in the Premier League as the prices are too high.
Id pay it he will be worth that. Class player
Well I know we won't be signing him but he would definitely be an upgrade.
25 ! he looks 45
Must have been all that brimful of asha
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2024, 05:01:55 PM
Newcastle are apparently one of the clubs interested in signing him and they seemingly have their hands tied like us. We could get inventive and offer players in exchange. He's only just turned 25 and had a very productive season alongside Watkins a few seasons ago.I imagine Brentford would want at least £60m and we're bound by PSR and the even more stringent UEFA rules. I don't think we'll be buying anyone proven in the Premier League as the prices are too high.
Id pay it he will be worth that. Class player
Well I know we won't be signing him but he would definitely be an upgrade.
Give them carlos 😁
Do you honestly think the clean sheets against Man City, Arsenal (twice), Bayern Munich, Man Utd and Bologna would have happened without Carlos? Bear in mind, they never do against anybody else when he’s not playing.
It’s like mass delusion on here. Looking at results and checking what the line-up was seems beyond people.
The last one at home last season was Wolves at the end of March. Guess who played?
The first one at home this season was Bayern. Guess who played?
The last one away last season was Arsenal. Guess who played?
The first one away this season was Young Boys. Guess who played?
Clue: it wasn’t Matty Catastrophe.
Post by: eamonn on October 31, 2024, 05:17:34 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2024, 05:19:57 PM
GET IN THERE, PERCY MY SON!!
Sham 69?
Post by: OCD on November 01, 2024, 11:09:16 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2024, 11:21:48 AM
It surprised me how quickly Carlos got dropped back to the bench after a string of 4 really good performances where he was looking the part. Then benched again.
From looking at when he’s picked, it’s nearly always against the stronger teams. When UE thinks games will be less demanding on our defence, he often goes for the more traditional RB (Cash) and moves Konsa back inside. Makes sense rotation-wise.
Post by: OCD on November 01, 2024, 11:30:38 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 01, 2024, 12:10:41 PM
Spurs are the only team that spooked Emery last season. He tried to counter them with that setup down there, which didn't work and he changed it successfully mid-game, but then he changed us again in reaction to them for the home game and it backfired completely, we handed them initiative and never got it back.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2024, 12:22:41 PM
Newcastle are apparently one of the clubs interested in signing him and they seemingly have their hands tied like us. We could get inventive and offer players in exchange. He's only just turned 25 and had a very productive season alongside Watkins a few seasons ago.I imagine Brentford would want at least £60m and we're bound by PSR and the even more stringent UEFA rules. I don't think we'll be buying anyone proven in the Premier League as the prices are too high.
Id pay it he will be worth that. Class player
Well I know we won't be signing him but he would definitely be an upgrade.
Give them carlos 😁
Do you honestly think the clean sheets against Man City, Arsenal (twice), Bayern Munich, Man Utd and Bologna would have happened without Carlos? Bear in mind, they never do against anybody else when he’s not playing.
It’s like mass delusion on here. Looking at results and checking what the line-up was seems beyond people.
The last one at home last season was Wolves at the end of March. Guess who played?
The first one at home this season was Bayern. Guess who played?
The last one away last season was Arsenal. Guess who played?
The first one away this season was Young Boys. Guess who played?
Clue: it wasn’t Matty Catastrophe.
I dont understand how someone disagreeing with you is 'mass delusion' delusion is saying something like barnsley will sign ollie Watkins in the summer. Saying you dont rate carlos is not delusion just a difference of opinion.
You have pulled a handful of games that carlos has played well but how many bad games has he had for us? The answer is he has had more bad games than good hence why i would like a upgrade come the summer. Look at that mistake he made for palace goal - thats the second of this season already!
Konsa is a far superior player in his position when you add carlos age as well he isnt going to get any better than he currently is. So i stand by my comment. Totally fine that you disagree by the way just the delusion part of your post is just completely wrong as i explained earlier 🙂
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2024, 12:32:38 PM
Newcastle are apparently one of the clubs interested in signing him and they seemingly have their hands tied like us. We could get inventive and offer players in exchange. He's only just turned 25 and had a very productive season alongside Watkins a few seasons ago.I imagine Brentford would want at least £60m and we're bound by PSR and the even more stringent UEFA rules. I don't think we'll be buying anyone proven in the Premier League as the prices are too high.
Id pay it he will be worth that. Class player
Well I know we won't be signing him but he would definitely be an upgrade.
Give them carlos 😁
Do you honestly think the clean sheets against Man City, Arsenal (twice), Bayern Munich, Man Utd and Bologna would have happened without Carlos? Bear in mind, they never do against anybody else when he’s not playing.
It’s like mass delusion on here. Looking at results and checking what the line-up was seems beyond people.
The last one at home last season was Wolves at the end of March. Guess who played?
The first one at home this season was Bayern. Guess who played?
The last one away last season was Arsenal. Guess who played?
The first one away this season was Young Boys. Guess who played?
Clue: it wasn’t Matty Catastrophe.
I dont understand how someone disagreeing with you is 'mass delusion' delusion is saying something like barnsley will sign ollie Watkins in the summer. Saying you dont rate carlos is not delusion just a difference of opinion.
You have pulled a handful of games that carlos has played well but how many bad games has he had for us? The answer is he has had more bad games than good hence why i would like a upgrade come the summer. Look at that mistake he made for palace goal - thats the second of this season already!
Konsa is a far superior player in his position when you add carlos age as well he isnt going to get any better than he currently is. So i stand by my comment. Totally fine that you disagree by the way just the delusion part of your post is just completely wrong as i explained earlier 🙂
I’ve already reproduced the stats from all the games he played last season. It was something like 45 goals conceded with Cash/Konsa at RB/RCB, and 30 with Konsa/Carlos in those positions.
We concede less goals when he plays. You’re either deluded not to see it, as it is a simple verifiable fact, or you’d prefer us to concede more goals.
Take your pick.
I added the word ‘mass’ as so many people seem to agree with you. But we have a better defence with Carlos in it, and Konsa at RB. What do you call it when people disagree with verifiable facts?
For me, this is like arguing with someone who swears blind that we beat Palace the other night.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2024, 01:00:52 PM
Newcastle are apparently one of the clubs interested in signing him and they seemingly have their hands tied like us. We could get inventive and offer players in exchange. He's only just turned 25 and had a very productive season alongside Watkins a few seasons ago.I imagine Brentford would want at least £60m and we're bound by PSR and the even more stringent UEFA rules. I don't think we'll be buying anyone proven in the Premier League as the prices are too high.
Id pay it he will be worth that. Class player
Well I know we won't be signing him but he would definitely be an upgrade.
Give them carlos 😁
Do you honestly think the clean sheets against Man City, Arsenal (twice), Bayern Munich, Man Utd and Bologna would have happened without Carlos? Bear in mind, they never do against anybody else when he’s not playing.
It’s like mass delusion on here. Looking at results and checking what the line-up was seems beyond people.
The last one at home last season was Wolves at the end of March. Guess who played?
The first one at home this season was Bayern. Guess who played?
The last one away last season was Arsenal. Guess who played?
The first one away this season was Young Boys. Guess who played?
Clue: it wasn’t Matty Catastrophe.
I dont understand how someone disagreeing with you is 'mass delusion' delusion is saying something like barnsley will sign ollie Watkins in the summer. Saying you dont rate carlos is not delusion just a difference of opinion.
You have pulled a handful of games that carlos has played well but how many bad games has he had for us? The answer is he has had more bad games than good hence why i would like a upgrade come the summer. Look at that mistake he made for palace goal - thats the second of this season already!
Konsa is a far superior player in his position when you add carlos age as well he isnt going to get any better than he currently is. So i stand by my comment. Totally fine that you disagree by the way just the delusion part of your post is just completely wrong as i explained earlier 🙂
I’ve already reproduced the stats from all the games he played last season. It was something like 45 goals conceded with Cash/Konsa at RB/RCB, and 30 with Konsa/Carlos in those positions.
We concede less goals when he plays. You’re either deluded not to see it, as it is a simple verifiable fact, or you’d prefer us to concede more goals.
Take your pick.
I added the word ‘mass’ as so many people seem to agree with you. But we have a better defence with Carlos in it, and Konsa at RB. What do you call it when people disagree with verifiable facts?
For me, this is like arguing with someone who swears blind that we beat Palace the other night.
Again its not delusion if you dont rate a player and want a better player that makes zero sense. You comparison at the end makes no sense as its totally different. I gave you a prime example of why its not delusion. So with respect i am not going to repeat that again.
We concede "less goals" yet we fail to keep clean sheets and he makes countless errors in games. His concentration levels for me are not at the level they should be. He makes too many mistakes. Its not just carlos i do rate though cash is another i dont rate. I think moving those two on in summer and we see even bettee improvement to the stats you presented.
Let me ask you this do you think carlos is a better player than konsa?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2024, 01:19:34 PM
Bringing up clean sheets is not a good idea for you in this debate. Go back and check who played in our last six clean sheets. For ease of reference, its Arsenal away, Wolves at home, Young Boys, Bayern, Man Utd & Bologna.
I don’t think Carlos is a better player than Konsa, Konsa is a brilliant defensive right-back. The drop off between him and Cash in that position is huge.
It’s an absolute fact that we lost to Palace.
It’s an absolute fact that a defence of Konsa/Carlos/Pau/Digne concedes less goals than Cash/Konsa/Pau/Digne.
That’s why I brought them up. You’re denying undeniable facts.
On the Tyrone Mings thread, there is acknowledgement that although Mings & Konsa are better defensively than any other CB partnership we have, Pau’s contribution to our general play is more important to some posters. I can respect that opinion. What I would call delusional would be if someone was saying Konsa & Pau are a better defensive partnership. Because I can just count the goals conceded and find out that that is simply not true. Just like I can in this debate. (I’d disregard the games in which Olsen played instead of Emi). We’re not arguing over opinions here.
Post by: eamonn on November 01, 2024, 02:18:32 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2024, 02:25:54 PM
^^Chapeau.
Bringing up clean sheets is not a good idea for you in this debate. Go back and check who played in our last six clean sheets. For ease of reference, its Arsenal away, Wolves at home, Young Boys, Bayern, Man Utd & Bologna.
I don’t think Carlos is a better player than Konsa, Konsa is a brilliant defensive right-back. The drop off between him and Cash in that position is huge.
It’s an absolute fact that we lost to Palace.
It’s an absolute fact that a defence of Konsa/Carlos/Pau/Digne concedes less goals than Cash/Konsa/Pau/Digne.
That’s why I brought them up. You’re denying undeniable facts.
On the Tyrone Mings thread, there is acknowledgement that although Mings & Konsa are better defensively than any other CB partnership we have, Pau’s contribution to our general play is more important to some posters. I can respect that opinion. What I would call delusional would be if someone was saying Konsa & Pau are a better defensive partnership. Because I can just count the goals conceded and find out that that is simply not true. Just like I can in this debate. (I’d disregard the games in which Olsen played instead of Emi). We’re not arguing over opinions here.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 01, 2024, 02:28:07 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2024, 03:03:48 PM
It’s an absolute fact we lose to Palace but it’s equally an absolute fact Carlos set up the winner for them.
True say. But I go on the largest possible sample size. Although I could expand it further by bringing up when he was a vital part of the best defence in Europe in his last season with Seville. Shall I?
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2024, 03:24:29 PM
^^
Bringing up clean sheets is not a good idea for you in this debate. Go back and check who played in our last six clean sheets. For ease of reference, its Arsenal away, Wolves at home, Young Boys, Bayern, Man Utd & Bologna.
I don’t think Carlos is a better player than Konsa, Konsa is a brilliant defensive right-back. The drop off between him and Cash in that position is huge.
It’s an absolute fact that we lost to Palace.
It’s an absolute fact that a defence of Konsa/Carlos/Pau/Digne concedes less goals than Cash/Konsa/Pau/Digne.
That’s why I brought them up. You’re denying undeniable facts.
On the Tyrone Mings thread, there is acknowledgement that although Mings & Konsa are better defensively than any other CB partnership we have, Pau’s contribution to our general play is more important to some posters. I can respect that opinion. What I would call delusional would be if someone was saying Konsa & Pau are a better defensive partnership. Because I can just count the goals conceded and find out that that is simply not true. Just like I can in this debate. (I’d disregard the games in which Olsen played instead of Emi). We’re not arguing over opinions here.
Im not arguing with you percy just engaging in a good debate.
Its funny you mention the arsenal away game how longa ago was that! The CL games barring munich are poor sides we would expect to beat (although i appreciate that you can only beat whats in front of you so thats not carlos fault)
But at same time carlos was cb in the team that leaked two goals vs ipswich, although i guess you couls argue carlos wasnt in the team that leaked two vs everton.
Fair point about konsa - pau they do leak as many but i just think konsa is the far better cb out of the two. He is defensively better and makes less errors at cb.
Like i said if you want another cb in one has to go and for me its a no brainer it has to be carlos. He is older too
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2024, 03:25:40 PM
It’s an absolute fact we lose to Palace but it’s equally an absolute fact Carlos set up the winner for them.
True say. But I go on the largest possible sample size. Although I could expand it further by bringing up when he was a vital part of the best defence in Europe in his last season with Seville. Shall I?
Yeah but its quite clwar that this carlos is not the same carlos that was at sevilla. That injury has clearly had a impact on him.
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2024, 03:58:11 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2024, 04:07:27 PM
Hibs 0 Villa 5
Villa 1 Mostar 0
Villa 1 Man City 0
Villa 1 Arsenal 0
Everton 0 Villa 0
Sheff Utd 0 Villa 5
Villa 4 Ajax 0
Villa 2 Wolves 0
Arsenal 0 Villa 2
Young Boys 0 Villa 3*
Villa 1 Bayern 0
Villa 0 Man Utd 0**
Villa 2 Bologna 0
Clean sheets without Carlos since the start of last season
Villa 4 Everton 0
Villa 3 Hibs 0
Boro 0 Villa 1
Ajax 0 Villa 0
Chelsea 0 Villa 1
Chelsea 0 Villa 0
*Came on at H/T
** Came on after 10(?) minutes
Edit: as Bren points out below, he hasn’t been a regular starter, yet has appeared in over two-thirds of our clean sheets.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 01, 2024, 04:29:18 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2024, 04:34:47 PM
Carlos although he's improved quite a bit there are glaring lapses where he's cost us goals direct from poor play on more occasions than is acceptable. The other night is fresh in the memory, Ipswich, ManU away last season and I'm sure somebody else will point out more. Given that he hasn't been a regular starter it's pretty damning and if we want to keep up our position let alone improve on it a player with lapses like he has is going to hinder us.
Personally, I’d always go for the defence that lets in the least goals. I’m learning that some people prefer conceding more goals. I don’t think I’ll ever understand it though.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2024, 04:56:50 PM
Clean sheets with Carlos since the start of last season
Hibs 0 Villa 5
Villa 1 Mostar 0
Villa 1 Man City 0
Villa 1 Arsenal 0
Everton 0 Villa 0
Sheff Utd 0 Villa 5
Villa 4 Ajax 0
Villa 2 Wolves 0
Arsenal 0 Villa 2
Young Boys 0 Villa 3*
Villa 1 Bayern 0
Villa 0 Man Utd 0**
Villa 2 Bologna 0
Clean sheets without Carlos since the start of last season
Villa 4 Everton 0
Villa 3 Hibs 0
Boro 0 Villa 1
Ajax 0 Villa 0
Chelsea 0 Villa 1
Chelsea 0 Villa 0
*Came on at H/T
** Came on after 10(?) minutes
Edit: as Bren points out below, he hasn’t been a regular starter, yet has appeared in over two-thirds of our clean sheets.
Although we dont agree whether carlos is good enough at least your presemting your argument with stats so thanks for sharing
Quite suprised how many there has been with him in i must admit
Post by: eamonn on November 01, 2024, 05:24:05 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2024, 05:52:20 PM
Clean sheets with Carlos since the start of last season
Hibs 0 Villa 5
Villa 1 Mostar 0
Villa 1 Man City 0
Villa 1 Arsenal 0
Everton 0 Villa 0
Sheff Utd 0 Villa 5
Villa 4 Ajax 0
Villa 2 Wolves 0
Arsenal 0 Villa 2
Young Boys 0 Villa 3*
Villa 1 Bayern 0
Villa 0 Man Utd 0**
Villa 2 Bologna 0
Clean sheets without Carlos since the start of last season
Villa 4 Everton 0
Villa 3 Hibs 0
Boro 0 Villa 1
Ajax 0 Villa 0
Chelsea 0 Villa 1
Chelsea 0 Villa 0
*Came on at H/T
** Came on after 10(?) minutes
Edit: as Bren points out below, he hasn’t been a regular starter, yet has appeared in over two-thirds of our clean sheets.
Although we dont agree whether carlos is good enough at least your presemting your argument with stats so thanks for sharing
Quite suprised how many there has been with him in i must admit
I’m quite surprised that people follow the matches with such intensity and passion, and then forget what happened so quickly.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2024, 06:10:02 PM
On a completely unrelated note, I wonder will Fulham come back in for Diego Carlos in January. Emery seemed keen to let him go last summer for some unknown reason. Especially now it seems Mings will be back pushing for game time.
According to Jacob Tanswell (Villa correspondent, The Arhletic) Fulham didn’t meet the asking price.
Which, as we know, every single player at Villa has, so this is not the win you think it is. Then again, as you think Premier League Champion Penalty Conceder Matty Cash is a better right-back than Ezri Konsa, despite the mountain of factual evidence that proves otherwise, I’m not surprised.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 01, 2024, 06:23:48 PM
Buying Konsa II should be a priority.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 01, 2024, 06:24:22 PM
Clean sheets with Carlos since the start of last season
Hibs 0 Villa 5
Villa 1 Mostar 0
Villa 1 Man City 0
Villa 1 Arsenal 0
Everton 0 Villa 0
Sheff Utd 0 Villa 5
Villa 4 Ajax 0
Villa 2 Wolves 0
Arsenal 0 Villa 2
Young Boys 0 Villa 3*
Villa 1 Bayern 0
Villa 0 Man Utd 0**
Villa 2 Bologna 0
Clean sheets without Carlos since the start of last season
Villa 4 Everton 0
Villa 3 Hibs 0
Boro 0 Villa 1
Ajax 0 Villa 0
Chelsea 0 Villa 1
Chelsea 0 Villa 0
*Came on at H/T
** Came on after 10(?) minutes
Edit: as Bren points out below, he hasn’t been a regular starter, yet has appeared in over two-thirds of our clean sheets.
Although we dont agree whether carlos is good enough at least your presemting your argument with stats so thanks for sharing
Quite suprised how many there has been with him in i must admit
I’m quite surprised that people follow the matches with such intensity and passion, and then forget what happened so quickly.
Unfortunately we can tend to fall into the trap where we remember the big mistakes more than the things that you have put above (myself included)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 01, 2024, 06:32:47 PM
I’m increasingly a fan of Konsa at RB but I do think we should aim to upgrade. Percy’s stats are illuminating but I suspect the results are partly due to a more defensive formation and also because Konsa replaces Cash rather than the excellence of Carlos.
Buying Konsa II should be a priority.
I think Pau needs a powerful dominant partner alongside him. A right-footed Mings, or indeed Mings himself if he could play there. Konsa and Pau are porous. And you’re right, Carlos and Pau undoubtedly benefit from Konsa at right-back instead of Cash.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 01, 2024, 08:41:41 PM
I’m increasingly a fan of Konsa at RB but I do think we should aim to upgrade. Percy’s stats are illuminating but I suspect the results are partly due to a more defensive formation and also because Konsa replaces Cash rather than the excellence of Carlos.
Buying Konsa II should be a priority.
I wasn't a fan of Konsa at RB up until.this season to be honest, but I do think he is improving when he plays there. Would still rather him at CB and a top quality RB coming in though.
Post by: Max Villan on November 03, 2024, 07:02:17 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 03, 2024, 07:03:59 PM
Post by: supertom on November 03, 2024, 07:11:39 PM
Might be unpopular but think we might need to think about upgrading mcginn soonIn the starting 11 I think so yeah. If Bailey was anywhere close to his best then McGinn wouldn't be in the starting 11. Love him, but he's best picked for particular games or in-game changes.
I also think we still need to replace Diaby because Jaden isn't there yet. Moussa had an end product and a decent amount considering form wise he was probably a 6/10 last season.
Post by: enigma on November 03, 2024, 07:15:14 PM
A right winger is priority for me. One that can cross.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 03, 2024, 07:37:29 PM
Might be unpopular but think we might need to think about upgrading mcginn soonIn the starting 11 I think so yeah. If Bailey was anywhere close to his best then McGinn wouldn't be in the starting 11. Love him, but he's best picked for particular games or in-game changes.
I also think we still need to replace Diaby because Jaden isn't there yet. Moussa had an end product and a decent amount considering form wise he was probably a 6/10 last season.
Agree tom with all of that
Post by: ROBBO on November 03, 2024, 09:36:42 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 03, 2024, 09:46:33 PM
Post by: LeonW on November 03, 2024, 10:18:41 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 07:24:56 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 04, 2024, 07:43:28 AM
RB and another attacking wide option. Philogean is nowhere near ready this season to be a serious optionI understand why people think we need an attacking player, but we have Rogers that can play there, whereas we have Cash and Konsa filling in.
It is more likely we will be working on Bailey and Philogene than replacing them because of PSR, unless we sell Bailey.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 08:26:30 AM
RB and another attacking wide option. Philogean is nowhere near ready this season to be a serious optionI understand why people think we need an attacking player, but we have Rogers that can play there, whereas we have Cash and Konsa filling in.
It is more likely we will be working on Bailey and Philogene than replacing them because of PSR, unless we sell Bailey.
Our summer business is now coming under the microscope for me. As much as i like maatsen why did we spend 30m on him and he cant get a start when we could have used the 30m on a right back that we needed more or replaced diaby. We signed two players from juventus who are not with us maybe for for the future or sell on for FFP. But we havent really strengthed the team much since last year. I had my reservations that we were weaker than last year and i was hoping i would be wrong. But early signs are mot looking good.
I would sell buendia but we are making no profit on him so that wont help much. Cash is another i would let go if a good offer comes in. Other than that looking around cant see many players we would sell and make a profit on. Only duran i could see making big money on but would we sell now? Cant see it myself. Id personally sell at 80m if that sort of offer came in
Post by: aj2k77 on November 04, 2024, 09:07:16 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 09:10:09 AM
You can't see many players we could sell and make a profit on? I think you need to think a little harder.
Those players we wouldnt sell. We are not going to sell kamara konsa youri watkins martinez or pau.these are key players.
Who else could we sell for major profit than that? Maybe mcginn or ramsey?
Post by: aj2k77 on November 04, 2024, 09:21:33 AM
Our transfers have been by and large very good. Dealing with FFP is difficult, it's a hard ceiling for teams without massive turnovers.
Post by: Dave on November 04, 2024, 09:24:10 AM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 04, 2024, 09:43:14 AM
Sky said we had a net spend of 70m which is peanuts compared to the other teams. We need to break bank and get mbeulo in. He is exactly what we need and a massive step up from philogene
There was a graphic on SKY last week after ten Hag got sacked showing teams who had spent the most during his time at Manchester United. We weren't even in the top 10.
Post by: eamonn on November 04, 2024, 10:01:08 AM
Sky said we had a net spend of 70m which is peanuts compared to the other teams. We need to break bank and get mbeulo in. He is exactly what we need and a massive step up from philogene
I thought we broke-even, more or less in the summer.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 10:04:37 AM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those. Basically everyone around the first team. It's the same problem for everyone in the league. Take away selling youngsters and selling a first teamer and replacing him for profit without making yourself weaker on paper is near impossible. It's the evolution of the team that matters, altering the shape and style to suit what you then have. Take Notts Forest, when they sold Johnson and replaced him with Elanga they wouldn't expect to find themselves 3rd in the league 12 months later.
Our transfers have been by and large very good. Dealing with FFP is difficult, it's a hard ceiling for teams without massive turnovers.
As dave said we are not making a profit on carlos and mings. Those will be losses.
We are not selling rogers not a chance. JJ looks the likley one out of the bunch. I would consider mcginn but 20-30m we may get at most
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 10:05:21 AM
Sky said we had a net spend of 70m which is peanuts compared to the other teams. We need to break bank and get mbeulo in. He is exactly what we need and a massive step up from philogene
I thought we broke-even, more or less in the summer.
This is what im thinking we cant be in a FFP mess anymore so we can start spending on some real quality
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 04, 2024, 10:08:32 AM
Sky said we had a net spend of 70m which is peanuts compared to the other teams. We need to break bank and get mbeulo in. He is exactly what we need and a massive step up from philogene
I thought we broke-even, more or less in the summer.
My understanding - for what it’s worth - is that we would have broke even if the £40m sale of Duran to a West Ham had gone ahead. I’m probably wrong.
Post by: Smithy on November 04, 2024, 11:21:57 AM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 11:42:57 AM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings. So after how long does jt become amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 04, 2024, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: Smithy on November 04, 2024, 12:14:10 PM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings. So after how long does jt become amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?
It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years. It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.
Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold. That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window). I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 12:45:46 PM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings. So after how long does jt become amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?
It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years. It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.
Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold. That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window). I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.
Wow did not know that rule smirker about before we came up. Thats pretty good then if your a new team coming up e.g ipswich
Dont think we would get much for mings though a si think he is 31 now
Mcginn would be one we might look at if his form doesnt improve. But it does seem he is being played out of position
Post by: Smithy on November 04, 2024, 12:48:40 PM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings. So after how long does jt become amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?
It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years. It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.
Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold. That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window). I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.
Wow did not know that rule smirker about before we came up. Thats pretty good then if your a new team coming up e.g ipswich
Dont think we would get much for mings though a si think he is 31 now
Mcginn would be one we might look at if his form doesnt improve. But it does seem he is being played out of position
Sorry, if I wasn't clear, I was referring to the players that had been with us for 5 or so years (to around the time we came up), not that there is a rule about players being in your squad WHEN you get promoted. No such rule exists. It's all about when they were signed, and the contract length.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 02:06:21 PM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings. So after how long does jt become amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?
It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years. It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.
Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold. That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window). I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.
Wow did not know that rule smirker about before we came up. Thats pretty good then if your a new team coming up e.g ipswich
Dont think we would get much for mings though a si think he is 31 now
Mcginn would be one we might look at if his form doesnt improve. But it does seem he is being played out of position
Sorry, if I wasn't clear, I was referring to the players that had been with us for 5 or so years (to around the time we came up), not that there is a rule about players being in your squad WHEN you get promoted. No such rule exists. It's all about when they were signed, and the contract length.
No need to apologise mate thanks for explaining it something ive learned today!
Post by: aj2k77 on November 04, 2024, 02:26:27 PM
Sky said we had a net spend of 70m which is peanuts compared to the other teams. We need to break bank and get mbeulo in. He is exactly what we need and a massive step up from philogene
I thought we broke-even, more or less in the summer.
My understanding - for what it’s worth - is that we would have broke even if the £40m sale of Duran to a West Ham had gone ahead. I’m probably wrong.
We signed him for £14m + add ons. 2 years ago. We'd only need to sell him for more than £7m to make a profit. I think he will be the next to go to balance the books should we be hampered by FFP again.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 04, 2024, 02:50:47 PM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings. So after how long does jt become amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?
It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years. It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.
Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold. That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window). I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.
Wow did not know that rule smirker about before we came up. Thats pretty good then if your a new team coming up e.g ipswich
Dont think we would get much for mings though a si think he is 31 now
Mcginn would be one we might look at if his form doesnt improve. But it does seem he is being played out of position
Sorry, if I wasn't clear, I was referring to the players that had been with us for 5 or so years (to around the time we came up), not that there is a rule about players being in your squad WHEN you get promoted. No such rule exists. It's all about when they were signed, and the contract length.
No need to apologise mate thanks for explaining it something ive learned today!
You’ve learned it before mate. You’ve just forgotten.
But yeah, we’re in a fantastic FFP position regarding transfers. Which is just as well, as the club sees it as an easy way to boost revenue and therefore invest more in new players.
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, McGinn, Watkins almost fully amortised. Slightly less so - Buendia, Bailey, Digne, Carlos. Actual pure profit - Kamara, Ramsey, Tielemans. Rogers and Duran have a negligible amount outstanding in comparison to tbeir actual value.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 04:26:41 PM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings. So after how long does jt become amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?
It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years. It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.
Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold. That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window). I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.
Wow did not know that rule smirker about before we came up. Thats pretty good then if your a new team coming up e.g ipswich
Dont think we would get much for mings though a si think he is 31 now
Mcginn would be one we might look at if his form doesnt improve. But it does seem he is being played out of position
Sorry, if I wasn't clear, I was referring to the players that had been with us for 5 or so years (to around the time we came up), not that there is a rule about players being in your squad WHEN you get promoted. No such rule exists. It's all about when they were signed, and the contract length.
No need to apologise mate thanks for explaining it something ive learned today!
You’ve learned it before mate. You’ve just forgotten.
But yeah, we’re in a fantastic FFP position regarding transfers. Which is just as well, as the club sees it as an easy way to boost revenue and therefore invest more in new players.
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, McGinn, Watkins almost fully amortised. Slightly less so - Buendia, Bailey, Digne, Carlos. Actual pure profit - Kamara, Ramsey, Tielemans. Rogers and Duran have a negligible amount outstanding in comparison to tbeir actual value.
No i genuinely did not know the part about the championship players. Thats new info for me mate
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 04, 2024, 04:30:17 PM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings. So after how long does jt become amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?
It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years. It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.
Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold. That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window). I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.
Wow did not know that rule smirker about before we came up. Thats pretty good then if your a new team coming up e.g ipswich
Dont think we would get much for mings though a si think he is 31 now
Mcginn would be one we might look at if his form doesnt improve. But it does seem he is being played out of position
Sorry, if I wasn't clear, I was referring to the players that had been with us for 5 or so years (to around the time we came up), not that there is a rule about players being in your squad WHEN you get promoted. No such rule exists. It's all about when they were signed, and the contract length.
No need to apologise mate thanks for explaining it something ive learned today!
You’ve learned it before mate. You’ve just forgotten.
But yeah, we’re in a fantastic FFP position regarding transfers. Which is just as well, as the club sees it as an easy way to boost revenue and therefore invest more in new players.
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, McGinn, Watkins almost fully amortised. Slightly less so - Buendia, Bailey, Digne, Carlos. Actual pure profit - Kamara, Ramsey, Tielemans. Rogers and Duran have a negligible amount outstanding in comparison to tbeir actual value.
No i genuinely did not know the part about the championship players. Thats new info for me mate
See? You’ve just (at 12.48pm) had it explained to you that it’s nothing to do with them being Championship players, and you’ve even forgotten that.
Anyway, amortisation has been explained and discussed at length in the relevant threads, and I’m pretty sure specifically explained to you.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 04, 2024, 06:28:34 PM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings. So after how long does jt become amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?
It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years. It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.
Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold. That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window). I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.
Smithy - it works like this. If we’d signed Mings for £25m on a five year contract, the fee would amortise at (£25m divided by 5 years) £5m a year. So, after two years that would leave £15m unamortised. If he then signed another five year-contract, the process would start again, and the fee would amortise at (£15m divided by 5 years) £3m a year. After two years of that, anything above £9m would be a profit in the accounts, anything under a loss. I’m pretty sure he has signed another contract since he joined, don’t know lengths of either of his contracts, or the timing of his second one, or his initial fee (for certain), hence the round figures for easy maths.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 08:12:35 PM
McGinn, Duran, Ramsey, Rogers, Carlos, Cash, Mings. We would make profit on all of those.
There is absolutely no chance we're making a profit on Carlos or Mings.
You're forgetting how PSR works. Tyrone signed in 2019, five years ago, and his transfer value is now fully amortised. That means that even if we sold him for a fiver, it's pure profit. Whatever money we get in for him today, is pure profit in PSR terms.
With Carlos, he's now halfway through his contract with us, and having signed for £26m, that means anything above £13m-ish is going to be profit. We might not get £13m, admittedly, but we certainly don't need to get the £26-30m we paid for him for any sale to be "profitable".
Thanks smithy i was not aware with that regarding mings. So after how long does jt become amortised? 5 years ? Or is once they have completed their contract term?
It's the length of the initial contract, to a maximum of 5 years. It used to be longer, but they closed that loophole last year to stop Chelsea signing players on 7+ year contracts to help them with PSR in the short term.
Basically any of the players with us when we came up, or bought in our first year or so in the premier league, are now basically all profit if sold. That includes Tyrone, McGinn, Ezri, plus Ollie and Emi (by the next summer window). I'm not for one moment suggesting we SHOULD sell any of these - just that in terms of PSR, all of them now have a decent profit value if we NEED to sell them.
Wow did not know that rule smirker about before we came up. Thats pretty good then if your a new team coming up e.g ipswich
Dont think we would get much for mings though a si think he is 31 now
Mcginn would be one we might look at if his form doesnt improve. But it does seem he is being played out of position
Sorry, if I wasn't clear, I was referring to the players that had been with us for 5 or so years (to around the time we came up), not that there is a rule about players being in your squad WHEN you get promoted. No such rule exists. It's all about when they were signed, and the contract length.
No need to apologise mate thanks for explaining it something ive learned today!
You’ve learned it before mate. You’ve just forgotten.
But yeah, we’re in a fantastic FFP position regarding transfers. Which is just as well, as the club sees it as an easy way to boost revenue and therefore invest more in new players.
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, McGinn, Watkins almost fully amortised. Slightly less so - Buendia, Bailey, Digne, Carlos. Actual pure profit - Kamara, Ramsey, Tielemans. Rogers and Duran have a negligible amount outstanding in comparison to tbeir actual value.
No i genuinely did not know the part about the championship players. Thats new info for me mate
See? You’ve just (at 12.48pm) had it explained to you that it’s nothing to do with them being Championship players, and you’ve even forgotten that.
Anyway, amortisation has been explained and discussed at length in the relevant threads, and I’m pretty sure specifically explained to you.
You misunderstood when i say championship players as thats where we were 5 years ago!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 04, 2024, 08:37:03 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 04, 2024, 08:41:07 PM
^^ So what was ‘new info’ about the Chamionship players that you didn’t know about?
I didnt get the 5 years part once thats passed its pure profit on any sale
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 04, 2024, 08:46:05 PM
^^ So what was ‘new info’ about the Chamionship players that you didn’t know about?
I didnt get the 5 years part once thats passed its pure profit on any sale
Sigh. If someone signs a five year contract and their fee amortises for five years, their contract has ended and there’s no sale and no profit as they can leave on a free transfer.
It works like this. If we’d signed Mings for £25m on a five year contract, the fee would amortise at (£25m divided by 5 years) £5m a year. So, after two years that would leave £15m unamortised. If he then signed another five year-contract, the process would start again, and the fee would amortise at (£15m divided by 5 years) £3m a year. After two years of that, anything above £9m would be a profit in the accounts, anything under a loss. I’m pretty sure he has signed another contract since he joined, don’t know lengths of either of his contracts, or the timing of his second one, or his initial fee (for certain), hence the round figures for easy maths.
By the way, we were in the Premier League 5 years ago.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 04, 2024, 08:47:17 PM
Sky said we had a net spend of 70m which is peanuts compared to the other teams. We need to break bank and get mbeulo in. He is exactly what we need and a massive step up from philogene
He’s a great player but I don’t think he’d improve us much because he’s an attacking generalist and not better than any of our specialists.
It’s a helluva lot of money to spend on being the first attacking reserve.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 04, 2024, 09:13:42 PM
We need to improve the right hand side of the team throughout, Konsa is the only one really playing well on that side of the pitch although i'm quite sure McGinn's drop off is temporary. Maybe he could do with a bit of rest time, which bringing in more quality in that area will allow. Ned is a good one for the future, Cash is a good squad player, Carlos is very inconsistant, Jaden doesn't convince really so far and Bailey is the biggest worry of all.
Currently, on the right, we either have no width when McGinn plays or too little defensive cover when Bailey slots in.
How about we sign “Frimgpong” but play him in a notional RM position with Konsa at RB. Frimgpong is a world-class attacking wingback but not great RB. In possession that becomes a very decent 343, width on both sides, and three CB to keep the back door closed.
The release clause for Frimgpong is apparently low so could be a decent deal. Worst case he has a duel with cash as a conventional RB.
Post by: paul_e on November 04, 2024, 09:43:50 PM
More recently I don't think this is quite right:
Currently, on the right, we either have no width when McGinn plays or too little defensive cover when Bailey slots in.
How about we sign “Frimgpong” but play him in a notional RM position with Konsa at RB. Frimgpong is a world-class attacking wingback but not great RB. In possession that becomes a very decent 343, width on both sides, and three CB to keep the back door closed.
The release clause for Frimgpong is apparently low so could be a decent deal. Worst case he has a duel with cash as a conventional RB.
The problem is width in both cases because, whilst Bailey will stay wide, he's never truly comfortable on his right foot. With the asymmetrical setup of the team Digne provides a natural crossing option on the left but we don't really have that on the right. Even when Cash plays and gets forward he's not a strong crosser (which I suspect is why we hold him a little deeper) which means we have a habit of becoming very narrow on that side regardless of who plays. It was the same last season as well but we got away with it because Bailey was in great form and making things happen enough to mask the problem.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 04, 2024, 10:02:45 PM
Right now there isn’t anyone on the right that can cross. Bailey can beat a man on the outside but he prefers cutting in onto his left foot. McGinn draws defenders in like a hoover but needs an overlapping RB. Cash isn’t that defender. However, I think it’s be a big ask of any RB due to the asymmetrical tactics.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 05, 2024, 07:48:23 AM
^^ So what was ‘new info’ about the Chamionship players that you didn’t know about?
I didnt get the 5 years part once thats passed its pure profit on any sale
Sigh. If someone signs a five year contract and their fee amortises for five years, their contract has ended and there’s no sale and no profit as they can leave on a free transfer.
It works like this. If we’d signed Mings for £25m on a five year contract, the fee would amortise at (£25m divided by 5 years) £5m a year. So, after two years that would leave £15m unamortised. If he then signed another five year-contract, the process would start again, and the fee would amortise at (£15m divided by 5 years) £3m a year. After two years of that, anything above £9m would be a profit in the accounts, anything under a loss. I’m pretty sure he has signed another contract since he joined, don’t know lengths of either of his contracts, or the timing of his second one, or his initial fee (for certain), hence the round figures for easy maths.
By the way, we were in the Premier League 5 years ago.
Not sure why you needed to add the word "sigh" FFP is a complex matter just because you getting it you shouldnt be putting a word like that for those that dont get it.
Thats like me knowing how a endoscopy prodecure works i tell you, you ask again a similar question about the procedure as you dont understand it and i say to "sigh' its un necessary.
No point replying if you are just going to get frustrated all the time if someone isnt understanding it 100%
But thanks for the explanation anyway
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 05, 2024, 10:09:25 AM
^^ So what was ‘new info’ about the Chamionship players that you didn’t know about?
I didnt get the 5 years part once thats passed its pure profit on any sale
Sigh. If someone signs a five year contract and their fee amortises for five years, their contract has ended and there’s no sale and no profit as they can leave on a free transfer.
It works like this. If we’d signed Mings for £25m on a five year contract, the fee would amortise at (£25m divided by 5 years) £5m a year. So, after two years that would leave £15m unamortised. If he then signed another five year-contract, the process would start again, and the fee would amortise at (£15m divided by 5 years) £3m a year. After two years of that, anything above £9m would be a profit in the accounts, anything under a loss. I’m pretty sure he has signed another contract since he joined, don’t know lengths of either of his contracts, or the timing of his second one, or his initial fee (for certain), hence the round figures for easy maths.
By the way, we were in the Premier League 5 years ago.
Not sure why you needed to add the word "sigh" FFP is a complex matter just because you getting it you shouldnt be putting a word like that for those that dont get it.
Thats like me knowing how a endoscopy prodecure works i tell you, you ask again a similar question about the procedure as you dont understand it and i say to "sigh' its un necessary.
No point replying if you are just going to get frustrated all the time if someone isnt understanding it 100%
But thanks for the explanation anyway
It’s not that complicated and I’ve explained it to you before.
Post by: Drummond on November 05, 2024, 11:12:01 AM
Let's spend some money, on a player that has a creative spark and some pace for the front line, and maybe on another Right Back, other than that we're well set.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 05, 2024, 11:19:37 AM
Can't see us spending big in january. We dont usually. But right back and diaby replacement is the two main areas we need to address.
Centre back i would look at in the summer
Post by: steamer on November 05, 2024, 04:47:15 PM
Winger, right back, Central defender
Post by: Bully2345 on November 05, 2024, 04:53:16 PM
It gave me visions of teams just repeatedly selling and signing the same players and declaring huge profits. Man City would probably try it
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 05, 2024, 04:58:59 PM
RB and another attacking wide option. Philogean is nowhere near ready this season to be a serious optionI agree, he looks totally shot of any confidence. Doesn't look like he has any pace either.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 05, 2024, 05:06:15 PM
Post by: Dave on November 05, 2024, 05:15:00 PM
semenyo would be a good player for us to buy
Would be good to get a former Bath City legend in the squad (14 games in 2018 as an 18 year old).
Post by: Demitri_C on November 05, 2024, 05:37:59 PM
Id take him back 100%. Now he sees the grass isnt greener id have him back for sure
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 05, 2024, 07:08:35 PM
semenyo would be a good player for us to buy
Agreed. Biggest drop off for us this season is Bailey’s form. Get the Mings/Konsa axis back together and we’d be good to go.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 05, 2024, 07:26:29 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 05, 2024, 07:32:57 PM
So you’re saying Pau shouldn’t play? That would be crazy. Bailey’s drop in form is important, but the biggest issue we have is the lack of control in midfield.
It was a the weekend but so far this season they've been very good. Silly mistakes at the back and offering very little up front combined with cow's arse banjo finishing has been our main problem.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 05, 2024, 08:20:53 PM
So you’re saying Pau shouldn’t play? That would be crazy. Bailey’s drop in form is important, but the biggest issue we have is the lack of control in midfield.
It was a the weekend but so far this season they've been very good. Silly mistakes at the back and offering very little up front combined with cow's arse banjo finishing has been our main problem.
I’m not sure it is “silly mistakes” or at least those are too common to be a coincidence. I’m not sure we have controlled the midfield well in the league this season. Individually they’ve put in good displays and done good things, but in terms of controlling the game that has been really patchy this year. There are an few examples where we’ve let teams back into games.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 05, 2024, 09:06:45 PM
So you’re saying Pau shouldn’t play? That would be crazy. Bailey’s drop in form is important, but the biggest issue we have is the lack of control in midfield.
Sorry to go over this again everyone, but he did ask. If Pau plays, it has to be alongside Carlos with Konsa at right back. As is statistically proven, Pau and Konsa leak too many goals. Our most solid centre-back partnership is Konsa/Mings. Our worst defence, by some distance, is Cash/Konsa/Pau + LB.
We’ve all seen those combinations play, and we can all (well, some of us) can count the goals.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 05, 2024, 09:12:42 PM
Post by: Dave on November 05, 2024, 09:14:29 PM
Yeah but I think it’s probably a bit simplistic to think of it in those terms. I still think the midfield is the primary issue in terms of exposing the defence. Maybe Konsa and Mings might mitigate that a bit, but you’d lose much more in the round by not having Pau in the side.
Or to put it into practice, we almost certainly don't concede that Jimenez goal against Fulham. But we definitely don't score the winner against Bayern.
Post by: LeeB on November 05, 2024, 09:15:37 PM
We haven't got a right side attack at all at present.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 05, 2024, 09:22:24 PM
They suffered badly when he got injured
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 05, 2024, 09:32:53 PM
Yeah but I think it’s probably a bit simplistic to think of it in those terms. I still think the midfield is the primary issue in terms of exposing the defence. Maybe Konsa and Mings might mitigate that a bit, but you’d lose much more in the round by not having Pau in the side.
Or to put it into practice, we almost certainly don't concede that Jimenez goal against Fulham. But we definitely don't score the winner against Bayern.
Yes, but if it were Konsa/Pau v Bayern, it almost certainly would have been a consolation goal, seeing as they hardly ever keep a clean sheet.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 05, 2024, 09:34:36 PM
Id like to see how pau and konsa do when they have kamara starting in front of them.
They suffered badly when he got injured
You could always look up what they were like before he got injured. It was more than half a season.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 05, 2024, 09:47:18 PM
Id like to see how pau and konsa do when they have kamara starting in front of them.
They suffered badly when he got injured
You could always look up what they were like before he got injured. It was more than half a season.
Yes but the teams obviously different to last seasons so that would be pretty pointless
Post by: Dave on November 05, 2024, 09:55:50 PM
Yeah but I think it’s probably a bit simplistic to think of it in those terms. I still think the midfield is the primary issue in terms of exposing the defence. Maybe Konsa and Mings might mitigate that a bit, but you’d lose much more in the round by not having Pau in the side.
Or to put it into practice, we almost certainly don't concede that Jimenez goal against Fulham. But we definitely don't score the winner against Bayern.
Yes, but if it were Konsa/Pau v Bayern, it almost certainly would have been a consolation goal, seeing as they hardly ever keep a clean sheet.
Don't worry, I'm a fully paid-up cheerleader for team Konsa-at-right-back.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 05, 2024, 09:56:29 PM
Id like to see how pau and konsa do when they have kamara starting in front of them.
They suffered badly when he got injured
You could always look up what they were like before he got injured. It was more than half a season.
Yes but the teams obviously different to last seasons so that would be pretty pointless
Aside from Rogers/Diaby, what’s the difference? We are talking about the defence.
Post by: Beard82 on November 05, 2024, 10:02:28 PM
At times, like sunday, this is inviting pressure
Post by: Demitri_C on November 05, 2024, 10:09:04 PM
Id like to see how pau and konsa do when they have kamara starting in front of them.
They suffered badly when he got injured
You could always look up what they were like before he got injured. It was more than half a season.
Yes but the teams obviously different to last seasons so that would be pretty pointless
Aside from Rogers/Diaby, what’s the difference? We are talking about the defence.
Onana in
No diaby or luiz
And we seem to ahve the crappy bailey back not the great one that was thwre last season
Thats big difference for me
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 05, 2024, 10:49:50 PM
Id like to see how pau and konsa do when they have kamara starting in front of them.
They suffered badly when he got injured
You could always look up what they were like before he got injured. It was more than half a season.
Yes but the teams obviously different to last seasons so that would be pretty pointless
Aside from Rogers/Diaby, what’s the difference? We are talking about the defence.
Onana in
No diaby or luiz
And we seem to ahve the crappy bailey back not the great one that was thwre last season
Thats big difference for me
But Pau & Konsa played half a season with Kamara, and half a season without. Carlos/Pau with Konsa at RB were better than Konsa/Pau with Cash at RB before Kamara got injured, and after Kamara got injured. Can’t you remember?
Post by: Risso on November 05, 2024, 10:50:50 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 05, 2024, 10:51:33 PM
Makes my eyes bleed ...
Post by: brontebilly on November 05, 2024, 11:04:57 PM
I do think are build up play is different this season - cedeing a little more position and going directly a little more often.
At times, like sunday, this is inviting pressure
Was it any different in setup really to when we beat Spurs 2-0 away early in Emery's tenure? Sat in first half and hit them on counter in second from memory. We were in a great position at half time on Sunday. Hold on another 10 minutes even and their crowd will turn. Even at 1-1, their players should be fatiguing the longer the game goes on, ours had the cup game off. Instead we crumbled, injuries played a big part, the defence inexplicably collapsed and Emery made some really poor tactical changes.
I think we are lacking a bit of goal threat in midfield these days than when we were at our best under Emery. Bailey and McGinn havent a goal between them in the league yet. Nor has Ramsey or Tielemans. No issue with Tielemans play making skills but he doesnt have Luiz dynamism around the opposition box. Buendia scored that day in Spurs, got another key one at Everton from memory during than run but looked miles off it v Palace unfortunately. I was hoping he would be a very good sub for us this season compared to likes of Zaniolo even but no evidence so far. We have been too reliant on Watkins, Duran and Rogers.
Post by: eamonn on November 06, 2024, 10:15:45 AM
Can we rename this thread 'quotathon central' please.
Makes my eyes bleed ...
Percy using rabbit ears is the way forward for all of us.
Post by: eamonn on November 06, 2024, 10:17:08 AM
Heres a strange one - juventus are looking to loan dougie out and we are interested.
Id take him back 100%. Now he sees the grass isnt greener id have him back for sure
They've given-up on him already? PaulWinch would welcome back with open arms I'm sure but I dunno if he'd get back in our team now, we're too stacked in the middle of the park.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 06, 2024, 11:01:17 AM
Heres a strange one - juventus are looking to loan dougie out and we are interested.
Id take him back 100%. Now he sees the grass isnt greener id have him back for sure
They've given-up on him already? PaulWinch would welcome back with open arms I'm sure but I dunno if he'd get back in our team now, we're too stacked in the middle of the park.
We do have a lot of options in midfield but i think a midfield of luiz onana youri and kamara is up there with the best in the league.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 06, 2024, 11:03:12 AM
Post by: OCD on November 06, 2024, 11:09:39 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 06, 2024, 11:20:50 AM
I've seen the reports about them making available for a loan in January and our name was thrown out but I've not seen anything to say we're interested. Going by how frustrated Emery would often get with Doug and how we've planned for his departure ever since we recruited Tielemans, I can't see Emery being interested.
Yeah logically i think you are right but he scores a lot of goals even if some are pens.
Onana i think has most goals for us in league in that area of the pitch. Dont think youris scored in league yet
Post by: Mister E on November 11, 2024, 10:28:43 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 11, 2024, 10:40:05 AM
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2024, 10:55:28 AM
We don't need Luiz back.
Nope. Right back and some pace up front/out wide. I still think Zaha would have been a good addition.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 11, 2024, 11:58:10 AM
We don't need Luiz back.
Yeah we do if its a loan. Luiz onana and kamara would be a tasty midfield
Also scores goals, creates and his injury record is excellent.
Post by: Smithy on November 11, 2024, 12:03:34 PM
Delap - does everything that Watkins does, and scores as well!
Delap is a fine young player, but Ipswich paid £20m for him a couple of months ago, and he's already averaging better than a goal every other game for a relegation-threatened team. Anyone wanting to sign him will be paying at least treble what Ipswich did, and that's not going to be us!
We already have a very promising young forward scoring goals. If we need more options up front, I would suggest it has to be a poacher, capable of finishing some of the excellent chances we're creating when we're on top, even if that means we lose something in our build-up play.
Post by: Smithy on November 11, 2024, 12:06:56 PM
Post by: Risso on November 11, 2024, 12:10:43 PM
If Bailey doesn't regain his form soon, and Philogene continues his slower-than-expected development into a regular first-team starter, then I think a wide forward would be a good move in January. I'm hoping something clicks for at least one of them in the next month or two, but if it doesn't, I don't think we can go an entire season without a productive wide forward. Even if it's a loan. If we get to the knock-out stages of the Champions League I could see us adding one decent player to the squad, even if temporarily.
I think we'll need to. The poor form of Bailey, and JPB's inability to be a replacement is really impacting the whole team, including Ollie.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 11, 2024, 06:04:08 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2024, 06:09:35 PM
A pipe dream but Nkunku would be a great addition. Can play across the frontline, not getting much Premier League game time at Chelsea and he’d be pure profit on FFP terms for them.
I thought I heard on the radio yesterday that he was their top scorer.
Post by: Dave on November 11, 2024, 06:20:40 PM
A pipe dream but Nkunku would be a great addition. Can play across the frontline, not getting much Premier League game time at Chelsea and he’d be pure profit on FFP terms for them.
I thought I heard on the radio yesterday that he was their top scorer.
Helped out a bit by seven goals against Servette, Barrow and Noah. I suggested him at the start of the summer, he's the exact type of player our squad is missing in my opinion.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2024, 06:23:12 PM
Post by: IFWaters on November 11, 2024, 06:44:29 PM
Post by: rougegorge on November 11, 2024, 07:03:49 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 11, 2024, 07:35:00 PM
A pipe dream but Nkunku would be a great addition. Can play across the frontline, not getting much Premier League game time at Chelsea and he’d be pure profit on FFP terms for them.
Out of the chelsea players i really like madueke. He looks a talent. Wasted at chelsea as isnt given a full 90 most weeks
Post by: eamonn on November 11, 2024, 07:57:29 PM
Assuming we can't get Mbeumo, what about Yoane Wissa? He wouldn't cost as much and is effective, quick and can play wide.
He's a nifty little player, he needs to bring back his meditative goal celebration though, it was well-wicked.
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on November 11, 2024, 10:53:56 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2024, 12:08:48 AM
A pipe dream but Nkunku would be a great addition. Can play across the frontline, not getting much Premier League game time at Chelsea and he’d be pure profit on FFP terms for them.
Would he? I thought they paid a fortune for him from Germany or somewhere? £50/60m maybe?
Post by: Skerra on November 12, 2024, 12:24:48 AM
We will of course be told that a £22 billion black hole has appeared unexpectedly!!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2024, 01:36:05 AM
Realistically, I can’t see a big transfer window in January as, a) not many good players available and b) would cost too much. When season tickets are up for renewal we’ll get the clubs usual promises of big players being signed in the summer transfer window but, also as usual, that will fizzle out. I’m sure we will make the usual couple of early signings costing about £15 each, then loads of speculation and, by the end of the transfer window we may make 1 more signing, possibly 2.
We will of course be told that a £22 billion black hole has appeared unexpectedly!!
The club is not trying to attract season ticket holders, it’s trying to get rid of them.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2024, 09:29:34 AM
correct £52 mil summer 23, if he is an 8 year deal? so looking at £40mil or thereabouts.A pipe dream but Nkunku would be a great addition. Can play across the frontline, not getting much Premier League game time at Chelsea and he’d be pure profit on FFP terms for them.
Would he? I thought they paid a fortune for him from Germany or somewhere? £50/60m maybe?
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2024, 09:59:40 AM
Realistically, I can’t see a big transfer window in January as, a) not many good players available and b) would cost too much. When season tickets are up for renewal we’ll get the clubs usual promises of big players being signed in the summer transfer window but, also as usual, that will fizzle out. I’m sure we will make the usual couple of early signings costing about £15 each, then loads of speculation and, by the end of the transfer window we may make 1 more signing, possibly 2.Strangely cynical when we spent £85m on 2 players early last summer.
We will of course be told that a £22 billion black hole has appeared unexpectedly!!
Post by: Ads on November 12, 2024, 12:22:40 PM
Realistically, I can’t see a big transfer window in January as, a) not many good players available and b) would cost too much. When season tickets are up for renewal we’ll get the clubs usual promises of big players being signed in the summer transfer window but, also as usual, that will fizzle out. I’m sure we will make the usual couple of early signings costing about £15 each, then loads of speculation and, by the end of the transfer window we may make 1 more signing, possibly 2.Strangely cynical when we spent £85m on 2 players early last summer.
We will of course be told that a £22 billion black hole has appeared unexpectedly!!
Its just an assortment of bollocks.
Post by: Skerra on November 12, 2024, 01:03:28 PM
Post by: Ads on November 12, 2024, 01:19:53 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 12, 2024, 01:34:54 PM
Assuming we can't get Mbeumo, what about Yoane Wissa? He wouldn't cost as much and is effective, quick and can play wide.
Have watched Mbeumo for quite a while and see him as the perfect RM player for us
Post by: Dave on November 12, 2024, 01:37:10 PM
It already contains things that didn't happen.
And as for "(no) big transfer window in January as, a) not many good players available and b) would cost too much", given our most recent January experience was signing really, really good Morgan Rogers for relative buttons I'm not sure the logic there stands up either.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 12, 2024, 02:18:36 PM
Erm no thanks
Rather have luiz back than him
Post by: Skerra on November 12, 2024, 04:33:00 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 12, 2024, 06:43:24 PM
Critical 6-8 week block for the likes of Buendia and Philogene I think in their Villa careers. If Emery can't get a tune out of them I think we might bring in another attacking player maybe on a short term deal with those two going out on loan.
Id say the RB/RCB issue will roll into next summer, if we couldnt get Carlos out in the summer we will hardly let him leave mid season.
Mings, Carlos, Buendia and Digne will have around 18 months left on their deals so getting near decision time on contract extensions or planning their exit.
Post by: Beard82 on November 12, 2024, 07:00:36 PM
Grealish on a Coutinho like loan to buy gig? How do they work from a PSR perspective.I dont think it is critical for either of them Jayden wasnt bought to be an instant first teamer - so going out on loan wouldnt be the end - they probably werent expecting Bailey to be quite as bad. And we have outgrown Buendia.
Critical 6-8 week block for the likes of Buendia and Philogene I think in their Villa careers. If Emery can't get a tune out of them I think we might bring in another attacking player maybe on a short term deal with those two going out on loan.
Id say the RB/RCB issue will roll into next summer, if we couldnt get Carlos out in the summer we will hardly let him leave mid season.
Mings, Carlos, Buendia and Digne will have around 18 months left on their deals so getting near decision time on contract extensions or planning their exit.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 12, 2024, 07:08:21 PM
Post by: murgsy on November 12, 2024, 08:30:57 PM
Also, I think we need a fast defender. Maybe Maatsen or Ned could do that, like Walker used to bail the back line. We are terrible for pace with the current crop.
Post by: enigma on November 12, 2024, 08:32:21 PM
I wonder just how much better a Cash or Ned would be with an aggressive hard working RM like Wissa. Bailey is almost inexistent defensively…Wissa plays primarily as a striker or occasionally out left. Not sure he's what we should be spending what little money we have on.
Also, I think we need a fast defender. Maybe Maatsen or Ned could do that, like Walker used to bail the back line. We are terrible for pace with the current crop.
Post by: murgsy on November 12, 2024, 08:33:38 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 12, 2024, 08:41:00 PM
My bad, meant Mbeumo
He would be a top signing. Happy to break the bank to get him if we can
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 12, 2024, 09:30:51 PM
correct £52 mil summer 23, if he is an 8 year deal? so looking at £40mil or thereabouts.A pipe dream but Nkunku would be a great addition. Can play across the frontline, not getting much Premier League game time at Chelsea and he’d be pure profit on FFP terms for them.
Would he? I thought they paid a fortune for him from Germany or somewhere? £50/60m maybe?
Apologies gents, I thought they got him on a free transfer.
Post by: LeonW on November 12, 2024, 09:45:29 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 13, 2024, 07:16:11 AM
Bringing back Grealish would be a terrible idea. The last thing we need is a big earner who can’t stay fit, with reduced pace and who slows the game down in the final third.
Thats how we are currently playing already. Id prefer mbeulo to grealish tbh
Post by: Mister E on November 13, 2024, 09:11:34 AM
I wonder just how much better a Cash or Ned would be with an aggressive hard working RM like Mbeumo. Bailey is almost inexistent defensively…Konsa and Mings both have pace across the back.
Also, I think we need a fast defender. Maybe Maatsen or Ned could do that, like Walker used to bail the back line. We are terrible for pace with the current crop.
Post by: Baldy on November 13, 2024, 10:03:19 AM
1) Ramsey and Rogers too much of a likeness and cover same territory.
2) Ramsey doesn't 'assist' or 'score' many goals.
3) Stretch the play and give our midfielders more space to weave their magic.
4) Takes an eternity for our left back to get into a crossing position.
5) Will create more space on right wing and give Bailey more room to operate (a bit like Liverpool do with Salah).
6) Watkins will start heading towards the goal posts again instead of the corner flag.
7) When playing out from the back, more space to find a midfielder.
Sell Ramsey, put money towards left winger. In addition, get better right back and world domination will beckon.
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2024, 10:22:12 AM
We didn't really strengthen the first team suitably, and we could do with at least a couple of very good additions in January, preferrably bringing some pace to the attacking spots where it's badly needed.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 13, 2024, 10:38:17 AM
We could do with a decent January, as hard as it's purported to be. We all got excited because we signed a lot of players in the summer, but in reality we brought one player in Onana who's trusted to start games, and then he only often manages half a game. Barkley is a useful utility player to see out games, but Dobbin, Iling-Jr and Barrenchea all went out on loan and probably weren't really wanted. Maatsen looks promising but was a lot of money to spend on arguably our strongest position.
We didn't really strengthen the first team suitably, and we could do with at least a couple of very good additions in January, preferrably bringing some pace to the attacking spots where it's badly needed.
Good analysis where i think we are at. I said similar things at start of season after we loaned out enzo and illing jr.
It just shows in this league you can't stand still or you get punished
Its clear to me that felix was one of our key targets after missing out on him we were stuck and didnt bother going for a similar player. Maybe dodged a billet as he hasnt really done much for chelsea in the league only in conference league
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2024, 11:36:42 AM
Post by: Skerra on November 13, 2024, 01:11:27 PM
We could do with a decent January, as hard as it's purported to be. We all got excited because we signed a lot of players in the summer, but in reality we brought one player in Onana who's trusted to start games, and then he only often manages half a game. Barkley is a useful utility player to see out games, but Dobbin, Iling-Jr and Barrenchea all went out on loan and probably weren't really wanted. Maatsen looks promising but was a lot of money to spend on arguably our strongest position.This is exactly the point I was trying to make.
We didn't really strengthen the first team suitably, and we could do with at least a couple of very good additions in January, preferrably bringing some pace to the attacking spots where it's badly needed.
Post by: LeeB on November 13, 2024, 04:57:37 PM
David Coote looked like he'd dodged a billet in that video.
Coote looks like he was drawn by the Aardman studio.
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 13, 2024, 11:51:37 PM
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Post by: SteveN on November 14, 2024, 09:12:46 AM
Post by: Gareth on November 14, 2024, 09:22:57 AM
Bailey and Philogene haven’t contributed anything like enough at wide right and McGinn is never a wide player. If we get to January with that still being an issue I can see recruitment focussing there….its why I never understood those who were desperate to get shut of Diaby in the summer.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 14, 2024, 09:47:33 AM
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2024, 09:51:44 AM
Bailey and Philogene haven’t contributed anything like enough at wide right and McGinn is never a wide player. If we get to January with that still being an issue I can see recruitment focussing there….its why I never understood those who were desperate to get shut of Diaby in the summer.
The arguments about Diaby's contrinution have been done to death, but at the end of the day it was the club's decision to sell him, and their decision not to bring any attacking players other than JPB in.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 14, 2024, 11:40:08 AM
I hope it’s not the case but after 10 games it’s beginning to look like the last transfer window has stalled our progress.Bailey and Philogene haven’t contributed anything like enough at wide right and McGinn is never a wide player. If we get to January with that still being an issue I can see recruitment focussing there….its why I never understood those who were desperate to get shut of Diaby in the summer.
The arguments about Diaby's contrinution have been done to death, but at the end of the day it was the club's decision to sell him, and their decision not to bring any attacking players other than JPB in.
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2024, 11:44:28 AM
I hope it’s not the case but after 10 games it’s beginning to look like the last transfer window has stalled our progress.
I was disappointed at the end of it. Considering we've got a massive jump in the difficulty of games being in the Champions League compared to the Conference League, they made some very odd choices. I know that everything was done with one eye on PSR, but even so.
Post by: Steve67 on November 14, 2024, 11:45:50 AM
Bailey and Philogene haven’t contributed anything like enough at wide right and McGinn is never a wide player. If we get to January with that still being an issue I can see recruitment focussing there….its why I never understood those who were desperate to get shut of Diaby in the summer.
The arguments about Diaby's contrinution have been done to death, but at the end of the day it was the club's decision to sell him, and their decision not to bring any attacking players other than JPB in.
Diaby was very in and out of games, Philogene just hasn't managed to get into any of them as of yet, I question whether we've really missed the former just yet, too early to say perhaps. It's also a bit Rich of me to moan at this stage, but Ramsey and McGinn are better through the middle and playing them wider in a 442 ish formation hasn't quite worked in the same way this season. Left sided midfielder, a natural one instead of shoe-horning them in, would be my preference. Pacey, good passer.
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2024, 12:00:35 PM
This time last year Leon was causing other teams a real headache, and had three goals and three assists. On top of that he was dragging defenders out of position making it easier for Watkins to have more space. This season he's on two assists, and the opposition barely have to bother marking him at all, as he either normally runs into somebody, pings the ball off their shins or turns round to pass it backwards.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 14, 2024, 12:14:19 PM
I'm not sure it's completely true we're missing Diaby anyway. Rogers is his direct replacement, and so far in he's posting similar numbers to Diaby, and will probably be ahead of him by the end of the season. What we're missing is last season's Bailey. Now that may or may not be down to Diaby's absence, but there isn't any way of proving it either way.Yes the difference in his performance is significant, this time last year there was a palpable crowd reaction when he got the ball in attacking situations.
This time last year Leon was causing other teams a real headache, and had three goals and three assists. On top of that he was dragging defenders out of position making it easier for Watkins to have more space. This season he's on two assists, and the opposition barely have to bother marking him at all, as he either normally runs into somebody, pings the ball off their shins or turns round to pass it backwards.
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2024, 12:25:03 PM
this time last year there was a palpable crowd reaction when he got the ball in attacking situations.
There is this year to be fair. Head in hands, groans, and "FFS Bailey!" ;)
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 14, 2024, 12:52:09 PM
I'm not sure it's completely true we're missing Diaby anyway. Rogers is his direct replacement, and so far in he's posting similar numbers to Diaby, and will probably be ahead of him by the end of the season. What we're missing is last season's Bailey. Now that may or may not be down to Diaby's absence, but there isn't any way of proving it either way.
This time last year Leon was causing other teams a real headache, and had three goals and three assists. On top of that he was dragging defenders out of position making it easier for Watkins to have more space. This season he's on two assists, and the opposition barely have to bother marking him at all, as he either normally runs into somebody, pings the ball off their shins or turns round to pass it backwards.
I guess if we had Rogers and Diaby, then Bailey could be left out when off form.
Post by: Dave on November 14, 2024, 12:54:41 PM
The argument could easily be made that he's not as good as Diaby, but we clearly bought him with the idea of him being part of our attacking options this season.
Post by: Smithy on November 14, 2024, 12:55:08 PM
Dont think he rates ned much either as he is getting very minimal game time. Can see him probably be loaned out again maybe championship or a team in europe
Ned is only 18, and came from a second-rate league - the fact that he's getting ANY minutes at all in our first-team is, I think, a sign that Unai does believe he has a long-term future with us. I didn't expect to see much of him at all this season. New country, new language, new club and style. That all takes time, even for experienced players, and we forget he's almost literally still a kid. He's only a month older than Kadan Young, and a full two years younger than Duran.
A loan for him wouldn't be the worst thing in the world in January, given he's had a bit of UK acclimatisation with us here, but I very much doubt the club would loan him out unless they were 100% confident in his welfare (which includes the language barrier and living arrangements - because again, he's only 18 and in a foreign country)
I'm all for looking for a Cash upgrade, but whoever we bring in will likely have Ned as his back-up next season.
Post by: OCD on November 14, 2024, 01:58:23 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on November 18, 2024, 08:45:36 PM
Post by: paul_e on November 18, 2024, 08:49:38 PM
Thoughts on Antony? I personally don't think he'd be any improvement on what we've got and definitely not at £200kpw. But others may have a different POV
Fuck no, awful player who looks totally unsuited to the league.
Post by: Mellin on November 18, 2024, 08:50:10 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 18, 2024, 08:54:20 PM
The one who plays for Man United? Arguably pound for pound the worst signing in Premier League history.Also a wrongun.
Post by: olaftab on November 18, 2024, 09:06:13 PM
Thoughts on Antony?FFS Martyn, what’s wrong with you?
Post by: Demitri_C on November 18, 2024, 09:35:53 PM
Thoughts on Antony? I personally don't think he'd be any improvement on what we've got and definitely not at £200kpw. But others may have a different POV
My thoughts are he is utter shite and we would have to bw insane to contemplate signing him!
Rather break bank and get mbeulo in
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 18, 2024, 09:40:04 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 18, 2024, 09:44:11 PM
I reckon we need an 'out and out' left winger who hugs the line as much as possible. reasons being:
1) Ramsey and Rogers too much of a likeness and cover same territory.
2) Ramsey doesn't 'assist' or 'score' many goals.
3) Stretch the play and give our midfielders more space to weave their magic.
4) Takes an eternity for our left back to get into a crossing position.
5) Will create more space on right wing and give Bailey more room to operate (a bit like Liverpool do with Salah).
6) Watkins will start heading towards the goal posts again instead of the corner flag.
7) When playing out from the back, more space to find a midfielder.
Sell Ramsey, put money towards left winger. In addition, get better right back and world domination will beckon.
Ramsey is a brilliant player who will gets lots of goals and assists, IF he can get and stay fit. Id like to see us get genuine competition for McGinn and Ramsey on the sides of that box midfield. If either are out at the moment our midfield is horribly unbalanced.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 18, 2024, 09:47:29 PM
Thoughts on Antony? I personally don't think he'd be any improvement on what we've got and definitely not at £200kpw. But others may have a different POV
Interesting suggestion……
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 18, 2024, 11:03:40 PM
I would rather Mark Anthony and he has been gone a while
Not if it means we play a Triumvirate at the back.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 18, 2024, 11:26:43 PM
I would rather Mark Anthony and he has been gone a while
Not if it means we play a Triumvirate at the back.
Would this mean Unai has crossed the Rubicon?!
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 19, 2024, 01:12:46 AM
Thoughts on Antony? I personally don't think he'd be any improvement on what we've got and definitely not at £200kpw. But others may have a different POV
Classic click-bait. You got me.
Post by: eamonn on November 19, 2024, 02:31:16 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 19, 2024, 02:59:05 AM
Somehow our Bluenose loving comrade has had his login hacked by Footy.Thoughts on Antony? I personally don't think he'd be any improvement on what we've got and definitely not at £200kpw. But others may have a different POV
Classic click-bait. You got me.
Post by: Tuscans on November 19, 2024, 12:43:43 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 19, 2024, 01:49:33 PM
Somehow our Bluenose loving comrade has had his login hacked by Footy.
It wasn't that hard to guess the password was 'ILuvJezza'.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 19, 2024, 02:28:40 PM
Realsitically but probably too expensive would be Matheus Cunha at Wolves. Dream would be Karim Adeyemi at Dortmund.
We were linked with adeyemi in summer. Think he would be a excellent signing
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 19, 2024, 07:40:18 PM
Realsitically but probably too expensive would be Matheus Cunha at Wolves. Dream would be Karim Adeyemi at Dortmund.
My dream signing would be Nico Williams.
He still has an affordable release clause and, weirdly, his star seems to have fallen since the Euros so might be coming out of Barca/Man City’s orbit and back into ours.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 19, 2024, 08:02:06 PM
Thoughts on Antony?FFS Martyn, what’s wrong with you?
This is worse than the Corbyn thing.
He's a massive, massive underperformer, delivered way less than was expected when he got his big chance - which just showed up how out of his depth he was - and is also said to be a horrific misogynist.
That Antony is bad, too.
Post by: OCD on November 19, 2024, 08:44:27 PM
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Post by: sid1964 on November 20, 2024, 09:35:24 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 20, 2024, 09:36:35 AM
Cant see us buying anyone in January with the PSR (or whatever they are called issues) - may get a player in on loan
What PSR issues?
Post by: rougegorge on November 20, 2024, 09:44:51 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 20, 2024, 10:59:28 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;DSomehow our Bluenose loving comrade has had his login hacked by Footy.
It wasn't that hard to guess the password was 'ILuvJezza'.
Post by: Rigadon on November 20, 2024, 02:05:37 PM
Cant see us buying anyone in January with the PSR (or whatever they are called issues) - may get a player in on loan
What PSR issues?
Indeed. I wasn't aware we had any issues?
Post by: Mister E on November 20, 2024, 02:32:13 PM
Diego Llorente from Betis getting mentioned again as a possible signing in January. He does have Prem experience I guess.If that is the guy who was at Leeds, I'd say a big "No thanks". Mistakes a-go-go.
Post by: eamonn on November 20, 2024, 07:18:16 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 20, 2024, 07:43:59 PM
Go Johnny go go !Or ...
... Go Johnny go go go !
Post by: Steve67 on November 20, 2024, 10:53:02 PM
Post by: eye digress on November 21, 2024, 08:25:57 PM
I'm all for looking for a Cash upgrade, but whoever we bring in will likely have Ned as his back-up next season.The lad at Newcastle - Livramento - looks like the real deal to me.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 22, 2024, 07:35:51 AM
I'm all for looking for a Cash upgrade, but whoever we bring in will likely have Ned as his back-up next season.The lad at Newcastle - Livramento - looks like the real deal to me.
Very good player i agree. They planned well had trippier as 1st choice for 12 months then had livramento take over
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 22, 2024, 08:59:29 AM
I'm all for looking for a Cash upgrade, but whoever we bring in will likely have Ned as his back-up next season.The lad at Newcastle - Livramento - looks like the real deal to me.
Very good player i agree. They planned well had trippier as 1st choice for 12 months then had livramento take over
Most Newcastle fans wouldn't think that worked out too well - Trippier has been a car crash waiting to happen for more than a season now.
Post by: Dave on November 22, 2024, 09:17:38 AM
I'm all for looking for a Cash upgrade, but whoever we bring in will likely have Ned as his back-up next season.
Assuming we see a big future for Ned, I'd be wary of chucking huge money at a right-back.
I wonder if someone like Kyle Walker-Peters might be the answer. Out of contract in the summer, still only 27. Always seems to have done very well for Southampton even when they've been rubbish. Will almost certainly leave for someone in the top half.
Ned goes on loan to top-end Championship to play every game (Ipswich looks like a good fit for him / us), Walker-Peters / Cash / Konsa at right-back next season, Cash then goes the following summer for a few million with a year left on his contract and hopefully Ned is now good enough to challenge Walker-Peters for first choice.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 22, 2024, 10:39:35 AM
I'm all for looking for a Cash upgrade, but whoever we bring in will likely have Ned as his back-up next season.The lad at Newcastle - Livramento - looks like the real deal to me.
Very good player i agree. They planned well had trippier as 1st choice for 12 months then had livramento take over
Most Newcastle fans wouldn't think that worked out too well - Trippier has been a car crash waiting to happen for more than a season now.
Yeah lately age has caught up with him for sure. 1st season he was very good for them
Post by: OCD on November 22, 2024, 11:19:25 AM
I'm all for looking for a Cash upgrade, but whoever we bring in will likely have Ned as his back-up next season.
Assuming we see a big future for Ned, I'd be wary of chucking huge money at a right-back.
I wonder if someone like Kyle Walker-Peters might be the answer. Out of contract in the summer, still only 27. Always seems to have done very well for Southampton even when they've been rubbish. Will almost certainly leave for someone in the top half.
Ned goes on loan to top-end Championship to play every game (Ipswich looks like a good fit for him / us), Walker-Peters / Cash / Konsa at right-back next season, Cash then goes the following summer for a few million with a year left on his contract and hopefully Ned is now good enough to challenge Walker-Peters for first choice.
Walker-Peters had Emery right back written all over him. I was surprised we didn't go for him when they were relegated.
It's really gone under the radar but KKH seems to be doing really well at Preston - https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/preston-north-end-kaine-kesler-hayden-hailed-amid-potential-aston-villa-january-concern/.
Post by: eye digress on November 22, 2024, 11:56:23 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 22, 2024, 12:02:36 PM
Post by: Smithy on November 22, 2024, 01:02:11 PM
I still never understood why we loaned him. He looked decent. Think he would have done better than bogarde has at rb. Dont think unai thinks neds ready either
The thing with KKH is that he's more than three years older than Ned. Which, like dog years, is an absolute age in footballer terms. I strongly suspect KKH is being fattened up to be part of next summer's PSR-assisting sales. It's great that's he's doing well at Preston, and maybe he'll be with a better team for the second half of the season, but I suspect if he is, it's just to get a bit more for him come the summer.
We do need a right-back upgrade (it's ridiculous how much better our options at left-back are compared to right-back), but I'll be surprised if KKH is part of the plan to improve that situation.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 22, 2024, 03:21:16 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 22, 2024, 04:42:51 PM
Tariq Lamptey was highly rated and did well in his first season at Brighton but has since stagnated and has been struggling to get in the team. He’s out of contract in the summer I believe, could be an option?
Hopefully he'd do better at Villa than his namesake.
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 22, 2024, 04:51:28 PM
Tariq Lamptey was highly rated and did well in his first season at Brighton but has since stagnated and has been struggling to get in the team. He’s out of contract in the summer I believe, could be an option?
Hopefully he'd do better at Villa than his namesake.
His brief time at Villa was scintillating. Against Wigan I was convinced we'd signed a worldie. He was incredible. Got kicked off the park at Ewood and that was that as far as I can remember. Great shame.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 22, 2024, 05:57:26 PM
Tariq Lamptey was highly rated and did well in his first season at Brighton but has since stagnated and has been struggling to get in the team. He’s out of contract in the summer I believe, could be an option?
Hopefully he'd do better at Villa than his namesake.
His brief time at Villa was scintillating. Against Wigan I was convinced we'd signed a worldie. He was incredible. Got kicked off the park at Ewood and that was that as far as I can remember. Great shame.
He’s 49 now.
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 22, 2024, 08:00:51 PM
He was taken advantage of by a string of dodgy agents. His family's story is incredibly sad.Tariq Lamptey was highly rated and did well in his first season at Brighton but has since stagnated and has been struggling to get in the team. He’s out of contract in the summer I believe, could be an option?
Hopefully he'd do better at Villa than his namesake.
His brief time at Villa was scintillating. Against Wigan I was convinced we'd signed a worldie. He was incredible. Got kicked off the park at Ewood and that was that as far as I can remember. Great shame.
He’s 49 now.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 22, 2024, 08:33:50 PM
.yeah i think you are absolutely spot on. I do think he will be sold in summer. Dont think unai rates himI still never understood why we loaned him. He looked decent. Think he would have done better than bogarde has at rb. Dont think unai thinks neds ready either
The thing with KKH is that he's more than three years older than Ned. Which, like dog years, is an absolute age in footballer terms. I strongly suspect KKH is being fattened up to be part of next summer's PSR-assisting sales. It's great that's he's doing well at Preston, and maybe he'll be with a better team for the second half of the season, but I suspect if he is, it's just to get a bit more for him come the summer.
We do need a right-back upgrade (it's ridiculous how much better our options at left-back are compared to right-back), but I'll be surprised if KKH is part of the plan to improve that situation.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 22, 2024, 09:27:37 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 22, 2024, 10:29:08 PM
KHH is an attacking RB, basically winger or RWB. Emery would prefer a CB playing RB than an inferior Cash because we are not set up to overload the right side.except that we have Nedeljkovic who could do exactly that, and has the international to do it.
Post by: OCD on November 23, 2024, 12:11:09 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 23, 2024, 05:34:32 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 23, 2024, 06:09:54 PM
Post by: algy on November 23, 2024, 06:11:00 PM
I’d sign Jack Grealish in January and get Barry back from Stockport.To take the penalties?
Post by: Demitri_C on November 23, 2024, 06:12:12 PM
I’d sign Jack Grealish in January and get Barry back from Stockport.
Its getting to the point that gettkng gfealish back even as a loan would be a massive morale booster for the club to transform our season.
Cant see it though but after the reecent shite we have seen ill take him back if it meant it improved our season
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 23, 2024, 06:12:56 PM
KHH is an attacking RB, basically winger or RWB. Emery would prefer a CB playing RB than an inferior Cash because we are not set up to overload the right side.
Mentioned on the match thread, Palace did a great bit of business getting Trevoh Chalobah in on loan.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 23, 2024, 06:17:38 PM
KHH is an attacking RB, basically winger or RWB. Emery would prefer a CB playing RB than an inferior Cash because we are not set up to overload the right side.
Mentioned on the match thread, Palace did a great bit of business getting Trevoh Chalobah in on loan.
Cant believe the club did not think signing him on loan would be a good move. He was brilliant today
Post by: Ian. on November 23, 2024, 06:20:38 PM
I’d sign Jack Grealish in January and get Barry back from Stockport.To take the penalties?
Ha!
Post by: Mister E on November 24, 2024, 02:14:56 PM
agreed, I'd have had him in on loanKHH is an attacking RB, basically winger or RWB. Emery would prefer a CB playing RB than an inferior Cash because we are not set up to overload the right side.
Mentioned on the match thread, Palace did a great bit of business getting Trevoh Chalobah in on loan.
Didn't we nearly buy Sarr with the Scouse Fraud?
Post by: Mister E on November 24, 2024, 02:15:31 PM
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Post by: olaftab on November 24, 2024, 02:32:41 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 24, 2024, 02:46:28 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 24, 2024, 05:49:20 PM
Just sign Cunha.
Every time I see him play I’m impressed with him. He’s great on the ball and technically gifted and for the first time in his career he’s scoring regularly since he’s signed for Wolves.
I reckon a decent offer and their owners would be tempted.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 24, 2024, 06:58:02 PM
Dibbling giving liverpool some problems. He’d be ideal for us.
Sounds like Liverpool have their latest Southampton acquisition lined up.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 24, 2024, 07:30:54 PM
Just sign Cunha.
Every time I see him play I’m impressed with him. He’s great on the ball and technically gifted and for the first time in his career he’s scoring regularly since he’s signed for Wolves.
I reckon a decent offer and their owners would be tempted.
A top player no doubt
I really do think he would be within our reach. He is only 25 and he lives in the area so is settled. He isnt going to say no CL football
Post by: Risso on November 24, 2024, 09:17:46 PM
Just sign Cunha.
Every time I see him play I’m impressed with him. He’s great on the ball and technically gifted and for the first time in his career he’s scoring regularly since he’s signed for Wolves.
I reckon a decent offer and their owners would be tempted.
A top player no doubt
I really do think he would be within our reach. He is only 25 and he lives in the area so is settled. He isnt going to say no CL football
He'd cost more than we're going to spend I reckon.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 24, 2024, 09:38:11 PM
Just sign Cunha.
Every time I see him play I’m impressed with him. He’s great on the ball and technically gifted and for the first time in his career he’s scoring regularly since he’s signed for Wolves.
I reckon a decent offer and their owners would be tempted.
A top player no doubt
I really do think he would be within our reach. He is only 25 and he lives in the area so is settled. He isnt going to say no CL football
He'd cost more than we're going to spend I reckon.
Maybe one to explore in the summer then as hopefully our FFP position will be alot stronger in the summer
Post by: eamonn on November 25, 2024, 12:25:18 AM
Post by: London Villan on November 25, 2024, 08:52:31 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 25, 2024, 08:54:39 AM
Even if barrys in hot form how much we likely to get for him? Its league one so i couldnt imagine more than 10m
Post by: Somniloquism on November 25, 2024, 08:58:54 AM
We sold a host of players in summer surely we cany be in that bad FFP position now?
Even if barrys in hot form how much we likely to get for him? Its league one so i couldnt imagine more than 10m
We are not lacking funds. We are lacking wriggle room. As the FFP is all of it on sales and a split over 5 years on purchases, the 10 mil could be used as offset to buy in a £50 mil player. (Wages not taken into account).
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 25, 2024, 01:54:14 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 25, 2024, 06:55:49 PM
Will we have more financial head room this window for loans i.e. wages? I’ve seen us linked with a Real Madrid winger on loan (the Turkish fella) but no RB/CBs.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 25, 2024, 06:57:37 PM
Nein danke.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 25, 2024, 07:12:44 PM
We sold a host of players in summer surely we cany be in that bad FFP position now?
Even if barrys in hot form how much we likely to get for him? Its league one so i couldnt imagine more than 10m
We are not lacking funds. We are lacking wriggle room. As the FFP is all of it on sales and a split over 5 years on purchases, the 10 mil could be used as offset to buy in a £50 mil player. (Wages not taken into account).
I think the books for the new financial period are certainly going to be interesting. I cant inagine they are as bad as last summers were
I think the wage bill is a massive issue at the club. Gerrards signings have killed us fir a few years
Post by: eye digress on November 25, 2024, 07:34:20 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 25, 2024, 07:43:36 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 25, 2024, 07:57:43 PM
Quote from: cdbearsfan
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No, 2026.
Fuck you slippy g.
Idiot
Its the never ending contract
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 25, 2024, 08:34:43 PM
No, 2026.
we gave him a 4 year deal ?
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 25, 2024, 08:37:55 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/12612114/philippe-coutinho-signs-permanent-aston-villa-deal-he-can-go-up-another-level-says-manager-steven-gerrard
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 25, 2024, 11:07:21 PM
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Post by: Tuscans on November 25, 2024, 11:31:10 PM
@Plettigoal
Post by: Mister E on November 26, 2024, 07:22:39 AM
Aston Villa are closely monitoring the situation of Romano Schmid!A not-very-tall (says he!) attacking midfielder; not a RFB or speedy wide man ...
@Plettigoal
Post by: steamer on November 26, 2024, 07:39:02 AM
Unless we strengthen a few positions I do not see us finishing high enough to qualify.
That gives me optimism that we know what to do and will do it.
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2024, 08:20:37 AM
Staying in the European mix is our number 1 goal along with the revenue it generates.
Unless we strengthen a few positions I do not see us finishing high enough to qualify.
If by "European mix" you specifically mean Champions League, much like last season we'll probably be in the right area and it'll come down to a few results on whether we just creep inside or outside.
Fifth looks very likely to be good enough, and unless something odd happens it'll probably be two of us, Chelsea and Spurs who are in those positions.
Pulling off a result at the weekend would definitely help though.
Post by: Rigadon on November 26, 2024, 09:09:41 AM
Post by: Ads on November 27, 2024, 11:51:36 AM
I'd approve of this, as without "Douglas Luiz, ole, ole" and "when you, pass to Dougie...Dougie, Dougie" songs, I don't feel like I've annoyed my better half in Bern or Bruges quite as much as Amsterdam, Lille etc by singing them at her on repeat.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 27, 2024, 12:05:48 PM
Monchi would jump at the chance to re-sign Dougie.
I'd approve of this, as without "Douglas Luiz, ole, ole" and "when you, pass to Dougie...Dougie, Dougie" songs, I don't feel like I've annoyed my better half in Bern or Bruges quite as much as Amsterdam, Lille etc by singing them at her on repeat.
Is that based on anything? I’d bloody love to have him back.
Post by: Ads on November 27, 2024, 12:07:55 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 27, 2024, 12:32:53 PM
This quote to Gazetta translated.Monchi would jump at the chance to re-sign Dougie.
I'd approve of this, as without "Douglas Luiz, ole, ole" and "when you, pass to Dougie...Dougie, Dougie" songs, I don't feel like I've annoyed my better half in Bern or Bruges quite as much as Amsterdam, Lille etc by singing them at her on repeat.
Is that based on anything? I’d bloody love to have him back.
Quote
"After his farewell, we invested and in midfield we are well placed with Tielemans, Onana, Kamara, Barkley… But I would always take Douglas back, from any club: he is very strong."
Post by: brontebilly on November 27, 2024, 01:13:53 PM
Wulfs would never sell to us. A pity, he'd be our shining star.
Swap with Buendia + cash maybe. Still hoping Buendia can show what he can do with us but seems a long way down Emery's list at the moment.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 27, 2024, 01:20:09 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 27, 2024, 04:15:45 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 27, 2024, 06:32:24 PM
Monchi would jump at the chance to re-sign Dougie.
I'd approve of this, as without "Douglas Luiz, ole, ole" and "when you, pass to Dougie...Dougie, Dougie" songs, I don't feel like I've annoyed my better half in Bern or Bruges quite as much as Amsterdam, Lille etc by singing them at her on repeat.
Hell yeah. I would love dougie back. Are we going to let a bad 6 months put us off? He was generally awesome for us for so many years.
Make it happen Monchi!
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2024, 08:30:08 AM
I've no idea who that could be regarding budget or availability, but I'd bring back Louie Barry anyway as he's running hot and costs us nothing.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 28, 2024, 08:31:02 AM
Not sure how it all works but wondering if that would save us money if that makes sense in this type of scenario
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 28, 2024, 08:47:38 AM
If juventus havent paid us the full transfer fee. Couldnt we just "cancel" the amount they owe to get dougie back?They have PSR considerations,so it’s not that simple.its not about cash.
Not sure how it all works but wondering if that would save us money if that makes sense in this type of scenario
The amount owing is not the problem, we would have to pay them whatever value he was taken onto their Balance Sheet, less 6 months amortisation.
Post by: Risso on November 28, 2024, 09:22:02 AM
If juventus havent paid us the full transfer fee. Couldnt we just "cancel" the amount they owe to get dougie back?
Not sure how it all works but wondering if that would save us money if that makes sense in this type of scenario
No, of course we couldn't.
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2024, 09:27:08 AM
Post by: Ads on November 28, 2024, 09:46:21 AM
Will Juve be able to afford the rest of the fee after what they paid the ref last night?
One positive, it's better to have this higher standard of enemy now.
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2024, 09:53:38 AM
Will Juve be able to afford the rest of the fee after what they paid the ref last night?
One positive, it's better to have this higher standard of enemy now.
Yes, I noticed on the Guardian match report BTL comments that we're now being gaslighted over decisions going against us by unicycling, cereal munching, wearing plus fours unironically European hipster types rather than you common or garden English type.
This is progress.
Post by: Mister E on November 28, 2024, 10:07:26 AM
Quote from: Jonathan Liew, Grauniad
Last season Douglas Luiz, Moussa Diaby and Leon Bailey combined for 34 goals in all competitions. Only the slightly wayward Bailey remains. Rogers started brightly but has regressed a little in recent weeks. The result is an ever-sharper reliance on Watkins: 29% of their xG last season, 35% this season.Just a reminder of our challenges going into December, before the January window.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 28, 2024, 10:27:40 AM
If juventus havent paid us the full transfer fee. Couldnt we just "cancel" the amount they owe to get dougie back?
Not sure how it all works but wondering if that would save us money if that makes sense in this type of scenario
No, of course we couldn't.
Sorry i didnt word it very well i meant if lets say they owed us 30m of the tarnsfer still, we bid 35m where actively we pay them only 5m
Post by: Risso on November 28, 2024, 10:34:49 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 28, 2024, 11:14:09 AM
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on November 28, 2024, 11:54:37 AM
Post by: paul_e on November 28, 2024, 12:08:36 PM
conceicao is the only one from juve i'd be interested in. looks like the new overmars. If theres money oweing from the luiz transfer we should leverage it to make a deal. He's the right age and profile we could double our money after two seasons. The kid was a total pest last night twisting turning accelorating...diving just what i like to see from a winger. It wouldn't be the first time we signed somone who played well against us in europe.
It would be a bit unique to sign a guy who intentionally caused the injury to our best young player that is still hampering him nearly 18months later though. Conceicao has talent but he's a wanker and I'd hate to see us go for him.
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2024, 12:11:52 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2024, 12:54:30 PM
Post by: OCD on November 28, 2024, 12:56:57 PM
conceicao is the only one from juve i'd be interested in. looks like the new overmars. If theres money oweing from the luiz transfer we should leverage it to make a deal. He's the right age and profile we could double our money after two seasons. The kid was a total pest last night twisting turning accelorating...diving just what i like to see from a winger. It wouldn't be the first time we signed somone who played well against us in europe.
Juve don't even own Conceição. He's on a season long loan deal from Porto but they're trying to turn it into a permanent deal.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 28, 2024, 01:03:49 PM
conceicao is the only one from juve i'd be interested in.
I thought no's 5 & 8 looked very comfortable, albeit in a very 'safety first' system.
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2024, 01:06:16 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 28, 2024, 01:12:40 PM
We are interested in Turkish forward, Semih Kilicsoy and German Nadiem Amiri. I cant help further with either..
Post by: Dave on November 28, 2024, 01:16:52 PM
Koopmeiners is a good player, and the big Chiellini-a-like at the back played well.
Him, Locatelli and Thuram are a great midfield three. It's not an accident that DL can't really get much of a kick in their midfield.
Post by: Risso on November 28, 2024, 01:20:05 PM
Post by: Beard82 on November 28, 2024, 01:21:54 PM
As much as we all like him, I'm not sure using what spending power we have got in January would be best served on another midfielder in Douggie. We need a quality right back option and some pace on both wings.Agree with this. Think yesterday showed how reliant we are on Bailey and Rogers - particularly with Ramsay still struggling with injuries.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 28, 2024, 01:38:30 PM
Koopmeiners is a good player, and the big Chiellini-a-like at the back played well.
Him, Locatelli and Thuram are a great midfield three. It's not an accident that DL can't really get much of a kick in their midfield.
Yes which makes it wierd why they wanted dougie
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 28, 2024, 02:03:19 PM
Seeing as they really wanted Luiz from us, I wonder why we didn't push to take a much higher rated player. Apparently we wanted McKennie (which worries me) and then settled for Iling-jr and Barranechea. I'm not sure we made the most of that opportunity, just like it was odd we seemingly didn't tie the Azaz and Rogers deals with Boro together.
I got the impression that they didn’t REALLY want him. It was more a desperate plea from us, leveraging Nassef’s friendship with their owner, and only completed just before the June 30th deadline with us needing the money to avoid a points deduction. That was certainly the narrative that came from the Monchi and Vidigany interviews anyway.
Post by: Dave on November 28, 2024, 02:24:17 PM
Seeing as they really wanted Luiz from us, I wonder why we didn't push to take a much higher rated player. Apparently we wanted McKennie (which worries me) and then settled for Iling-jr and Barranechea. I'm not sure we made the most of that opportunity, just like it was odd we seemingly didn't tie the Azaz and Rogers deals with Boro together.
I got the impression that they didn’t REALLY want him. It was more a desperate plea from us, leveraging Nassef’s friendship with their owner, and only completed just before the June 30th deadline with us needing the money to avoid a points deduction. That was certainly the narrative that came from the Monchi and Vidigany interviews anyway.
They also bought DL before they then went and bought Thuram and Koopmeiners. So even if they did want him, it might have been a case of buying him and then deciding they had the option of better players.
Thuram for example was linked all over the place as his contract at Nice was running out - so it might have been that he was going to go somewhere better than Juventus, so they buy DL as their second choice. He was linked with Liverpool for ages, so maybe he was set to go there under a manager other than Slot, they then hire Slot and he decides he doesn't want Thuram anymore.
So Thuram's move has fallen through, so he settles for his second choice option and his fee is low enough that Juventus decide they still want him as well.
These things have loads of moving parts nowadays.
Post by: paul_e on November 28, 2024, 02:30:57 PM
Koopmeiners was very quiet which, for me, is the biggest praise we can give to the performance of Kamara.
Post by: brontebilly on November 28, 2024, 02:44:58 PM
Koopmeiners is a good player, and the big Chiellini-a-like at the back played well.
Him, Locatelli and Thuram are a great midfield three. It's not an accident that DL can't really get much of a kick in their midfield.
Agreed they were all strong but Luiz has other qualities they don't have. Set piece delivery, ability to thread a ball through and breaking into the box to score. Juve's approach last night was understandably cautious and their midfield three rarely got ahead of the ball. Locatelli was very good I thought screening in front of their CBs. McGinn struggled to find space in the middle.
Post by: PeterWithe on November 28, 2024, 02:50:30 PM
Koopmeiners was very quiet which, for me, is the biggest praise we can give to the performance of Kamara.
Ah so that was the no8, I thought he was good, continually finding space but he didnt always get the ball off whoever had it, safety first from them.
Post by: paul_e on November 28, 2024, 02:53:57 PM
Koopmeiners was very quiet which, for me, is the biggest praise we can give to the performance of Kamara.
Ah so that was the no8, I thought he was good, continually finding space but he didnt always get the ball off whoever had it, safety first from them.
Yeah, I really like him as a player, I'd have loved us to get him when he went to Atalanta, €14m was a bargain.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 28, 2024, 03:19:50 PM
From the Beebs Gossip column.
We are interested in Turkish forward, Semih Kilicsoy and German Nadiem Amiri. I cant help further with either..
We were linked the Turkish Aguero - Semih Kilicsoy in the summer. He's only 19 but plays like an experienced player. Besiktas are having a crap season on 21 points, 6th place but after 12 games are 13 points behind Galatasaray. He's played in 11 of those games with just a goal and a couple of assists. He's also scored one in four in the Europa League.
He's a massive talent and again there's no shortage of clubs interested in him. I'd love to see him at Villa Park but first Besiktas have to agree to sell him; rumours are they'll cash in during the next window. The second is the fee, we apparently offered them €18m early in the summer window which was turned down but never went back with an increased offer, I recall €30m being the fee they wanted. Maybe there's a chance we can get him on a more agreeable fee now. Bloody hope so, he has qualities were don't have with our existing attackers.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 28, 2024, 04:56:36 PM
They are all good players but I'd have Doug ahead of Thuram in that midfield because they were clearly lacking that ability to thread a pass through us.
Koopmeiners was very quiet which, for me, is the biggest praise we can give to the performance of Kamara.
I was of much the same thought. They were tidy in possession and found space well, particularly Locatelli, with Thuram being a bit more athletic, I was disappointed with Koopmeiners, didn’t think he did much. Doug on form is easily good enough to get in that midfield.
Post by: SaddVillan on November 29, 2024, 09:14:31 AM
From The Athletic
ASTON VILLA TRANSFER DEAL SHEET, WHAT TO EXPECT IN 2025
Football sits in an odd paradox with transfers. Planning, re-planning and long-term strategy have never been as detailed nor extensive, yet the need for agility and thinking quickly on your feet has also never been greater.
Aston Villa approach every window with two overarching objectives: to augment Unai Emery’s squad and to adhere to Profit and Sustainability Rules (PSR). Next year will be no different — indeed, those objectives will be in even sharper focus.
Villa are competing in the Champions League and aim to qualify for a European competition for next season too. No one knows which one, directly influencing their financial scope to spend the type of money they want.
This makes predicting how Villa intend to shape their squad tricky. Club staff cannot know their outlay for new signings next year, nor the calibre of players they will be able to attract. On the theme of squad building, having a deft touch for problem-solving remains the critical trait for recruitment figures.
Here, The Athletic takes you through Villa’s current transfer landscape…
What is their PSR position?
Despite entering into Europe’s blue-chip competition and unlocking newfound riches, Villa have found ongoing financial restrictions jarring. Co-owner Nassef Sawiris has publicly expressed his disapproval of PSR, with Villa still not yet out of the woods.
Villa are at the centre of the Premier League’s broader disquiet about how PSR is enforced. Staff believe Villa are at risk of being prevented from challenging the established ‘Big Six’ long-term because of the restrictions of PSR.
A major issue affecting Villa’s revenue being significantly inferior to not only the Premier League’s elite but also to teams lower down the table is stadium capacity. Or lack of it. Take West Ham United, who boast a stadium that holds 20,000 more spectators than Villa Park.
Consequently, there is an internal acknowledgement that PSR is still the leading concern in January and will need to be weighed up before sanctioning any investment.
What positions will they be looking at in 2025?
Senior figures accept Villa were short in some areas of the squad once the summer window shut and, owing to PSR limitations, could do little to rectify the situation. Right-back was an area they hoped to address with Matty Cash the only senior option.
There was interest in Liverpool’s Joe Gomez and talks were held with the representatives of Feyenoord’s Lutsharel Geertruida. By this stage, however, Villa had reached their financial limit for complying with PSR and Geertruida moved to RB Leipzig instead. Heading into the January transfer window, strengthening competition at right-back will be discussed among Villa staff.
Recruitment is made more difficult by Emery’s philosophy of only buying players he views as providing an upgrade. Doing this usually comes at a considerable expense and there are concerns whether Villa can sanction such deep financial investment in January given the PSR predicament.
Since Moussa Diaby’s departure this summer, Villa are a versatile attacker short in forward areas and acquiring a similar player capable of fulfilling several remits is a possibility. In either position, if the conditions of the deal are right and the player being negotiated can make a swift impact, Villa will aim to strike an agreement.
Who will they be looking to sell?
Judgements will be first made on players currently out on loan for the season. In most cases Villa hold recall clauses, meaning they can bring them back in January, either integrating them into the squad or, as is increasingly likely, finding them a different club.
This applies to youngsters Louie Barry and Tommi O’Reilly. Barry is on his second loan at Stockport County and is enjoying a remarkable breakthrough campaign. The 21-year-old leads the goalscoring charts in England’s top four divisions with 13 goals and a decision will be made on whether to find a loan at a higher level than League One, with Championship sides showing an interest.
O’Reilly, meanwhile, has struggled with consistent game time on loan at Shrewsbury Town. Internally, there is a view he is among their most technically gifted players, but the team’s general struggles have been to his detriment. Even while previous manager Paul Hurst spoke fondly of the academy graduate, O’Reilly proved a victim of being a young loanee not trusted when the man in the dugout is under pressure and in dire need of results.
Initial feedback from Hurst’s replacement, Gareth Ainsworth, has been positive, with O’Reilly capable of playing as a No 10 or winger. Nonetheless, all parties will assess over the next month if a new manager means more minutes, determining if O’Reilly stays for the rest of the season or moves elsewhere, given he has long-standing interest from other EFL sides.
Lewis Dobbin, who signed from Everton in June, faces a similar predicament. He has played just 14 per cent of overall minutes on loan at West Brom and there is a sense that Villa will likely look to recall the winger.
Leander Dendoncker is on loan at Anderlecht and is expected to remain in Belgium for the season. Anderlecht retain an option to buy the midfielder.
Samuel Iling-Junior and Enzo Barrenechea arrived from Juventus in July, under the impression they would form part of Emery’s squad this term. Gradually this changed, with Iling-Junior joining Bologna and Barrenechea moving to Valencia, both on season-long loans. Iling-Junior had interest from English clubs before joining Villa.
The club are taking a long-term approach with the pair, who are regarded as assets either to be used in the squad next year or to be sold further down the line.
Young defender Sil Swinkels received interest from League One teams in the summer but stayed in Emery’s squad, with Villa light in central defence. However, Tyrone Mings’ return from injury means Swinkels — who is well thought of and part of future plans — is available to leave on loan.
Incidentally, Swinkels’ senior debut came in September’s Carabao Cup victory against Wycombe Wanderers — the team credited with ongoing interest in the 20-year-old. Peterborough were also interested in the summer but are unlikely to sign a young centre-back in January. A Championship or League One loan is planned for the new year.
Villa were open to selling Diego Carlos earlier this year. Although circumstances and his current importance indicate he will stay in January, a potential move away will be revisited next summer.
Highly rated forward Rory Wilson is out of contract at the end of the season and has interest from European clubs, some of which want to finalise an agreement in January. The 18-year-old is currently out with an ankle issue, which has taken longer than expected to recover from and has sought external help.
As The Athletic previously outlined, Villa have proposed a series of five-year contracts to the Scotland youth international, all of which have been dismissed. Weekly salary offers had reached well into five-figures, although Villa will not meet salary expectations that are more than double the best-paid player in the academy and more than the first contracts of some members in Villa’s senior squad.
Wilson has several admirers in Europe prepared to provide a first-team pathway and a wage of more than £20,000 a week. He can sign a pre-contract with overseas teams from January onwards and those who have achieved Category 1 academy status would need to pay Villa €270,000 in compensation. This is because Wilson has been at Villa for three years, equating to €90,000 per annum.
Injury-stricken defender Kortney Hause is out of contract in the summer of 2025, having not played a game for more than two years because of a knee injury. His situation has proven complex and further setbacks delayed a hopeful return to action in January 2024. The 29-year-old has been around Bodymoor Heath in recent weeks, with the desire for a fresh start shared between all parties.
Who will make the key decisions over the two windows?
Emery and Monchi, president of football operations. Ultimately, the pair — especially Emery — have the final say in all transfers, yet are amply supported by a handful of facilitators, who share knowledge. Damian Vidagany, director of football operations, forms the club’s ‘triangle of power’ and, although he does not decide on recruitment himself, his role is to carry out the wishes of Monchi and Emery.
Other facilitators include loans manager Adam Henshaw and Bryn Davies, who was promoted from head of scouting operations to head of recruitment in November 2023.
The footballing department — from academy recruitment to the heavy Spanish contingent now at Villa — is regarded as elite within the industry and retain the autonomy to make all football-related decisions.
Post by: Risso on November 29, 2024, 09:22:12 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 29, 2024, 10:58:09 AM
Whilst acknowledging the PSR issues the recruitment team had to navigate in the summer, I hope the next couple of recruitment windows are better than the summer just gone, which with hindsight, was shit.Agree, not 1 of the summer signings has improved the first team.
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2024, 11:10:50 AM
Post by: Dave on November 29, 2024, 11:13:37 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 29, 2024, 11:36:34 AM
Whilst acknowledging the PSR issues the recruitment team had to navigate in the summer, I hope the next couple of recruitment windows are better than the summer just gone, which with hindsight, was shit.Agree, not 1 of the summer signings has improved the first team.
Maatsen has, whether that's directly or indirectly given the improvement in Digne.
Barkley and Onana have been better than having McGinn and this year's Luiz covering for Kamara.
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2024, 11:43:59 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 29, 2024, 11:56:23 AM
Whilst acknowledging the PSR issues the recruitment team had to navigate in the summer, I hope the next couple of recruitment windows are better than the summer just gone, which with hindsight, was shit.Agree, not 1 of the summer signings has improved the first team.
That point is interesting, because I’d largely agree (although I’d wait and see on Onana and longer-term Maatsen is a strong addition) but the prevailing narrative from many is that Doug and Diaby weren’t up to much. I think we’re seeing their value now - Doug more as a regular starter, but Diaby offering something we badly lack.
Post by: brontebilly on November 29, 2024, 12:13:36 PM
Whilst acknowledging the PSR issues the recruitment team had to navigate in the summer, I hope the next couple of recruitment windows are better than the summer just gone, which with hindsight, was shit.Agree, not 1 of the summer signings has improved the first team.
Maatsen has, whether that's directly or indirectly given the improvement in Digne.
Barkley and Onana have been better than having McGinn and this year's Luiz covering for Kamara.
I think Emery will have expected more from Maatsen. Some decent cameos off the bench but disappointing enough when he has started. I think getting Ramsey back is key on the left side.
This time last year we had Kamara/Luiz pretty much dominating every week, Luiz was a big goal threat too. Have lost that this season. Onana has been mixed really, Barkley has done ok with a couple of goals lately. More depth for sure but Luiz has definitely been missed.
Jaden and Buendia returning haven't offered anything so far. Diaby over the season was inconsistent but he was direct and quick. That threat and option isn't there now, particularly with Bailey having such a slow start.
I think we will move Buendia on in January, maybe even Jaden too. Look to bring someone capable of playing in off the left and challenging Rogers in that 10 role.
Post by: paul_e on November 29, 2024, 01:46:07 PM
Whilst acknowledging the PSR issues the recruitment team had to navigate in the summer, I hope the next couple of recruitment windows are better than the summer just gone, which with hindsight, was shit.Agree, not 1 of the summer signings has improved the first team.
That point is interesting, because I’d largely agree (although I’d wait and see on Onana and longer-term Maatsen is a strong addition) but the prevailing narrative from many is that Doug and Diaby weren’t up to much. I think we’re seeing their value now - Doug more as a regular starter, but Diaby offering something we badly lack.
The best we've played all season was when Onana was fit and playing regularly. In the last couple of months he's seemed to be nursing something (he's been holding his right thigh a lot) and it's hurt his game and made us weaker.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 29, 2024, 01:57:10 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 29, 2024, 03:19:37 PM
The Tanswell article put a lot of emphasis on bringing in a quick attacking player - fair enough. It seems this will not be Louie B. I like that he has highlighted our ability to terminate loans that are not working or where the player needs more of a challenge (like Louie B): perhaps if Louie B is moved into the second tier, we could get the Stockies to take O'Reilly in his place?
I'd expect Carlos, Buendia and even Philogene to get loaned out or sold if there are any buyers out there: if RedManc go back successfully for Branthwaite perhaps Everton would like to buy Carlos? And moving Buendia and Philogene on probably depends on bringing in the pacy attacking player.
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2024, 03:35:03 PM
Playing occasionally (mostly as a sub) for Vasco, who aren't doing very well.
I'm in Rio, I'll try track him down and knock some sense.
Post by: VillaTim on November 29, 2024, 03:47:22 PM
Post by: Gareth on November 29, 2024, 04:27:30 PM
As much as we all like him, I'm not sure using what spending power we have got in January would be best served on another midfielder in Douggie. We need a quality right back option and some pace on both wings.
Spot on Risso-we have options in the centre but very little in the way of proven wide players to put the heat on Bailey and Rogers for a shirt….likewise right back, need a proven option there to compete with Cash while Ned goes out to learn his trade on loan
Post by: Accent Guy on November 29, 2024, 04:32:32 PM
A right back would also be nice, but given the rules in place to protect the Sky 6, I'm not sure we are in a position to sign one top player, never mind two.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 29, 2024, 04:40:11 PM
Tanswell didn't cover Coutinho - what's the rich little magician up to these days?
Or what might happen with Moreno.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 29, 2024, 07:25:49 PM
We are desperate for a right winger. We haven't replaced Diaby and have nobody that can compete with Bailey, who is having a poor season thus far.
A right back would also be nice, but given the rules in place to protect the Sky 6, I'm not sure we are in a position to sign one top player, never mind two.
Get a couple of loan players in. I get the reason some people aren’t keen but it’s about the here and now and if they improve us and help us achieve our goals that’s what we need short term, irrespective of helping other clubs out.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 29, 2024, 07:33:50 PM
I think the squad is improved but it's also fair to say none have asserted themselves as outright first choices in the way say Rogers did on arrival, though I personally think Onana has been a lot better than I've seen him given credit for.
Onana being injured has tinted the way people see his effectiveness, I think.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 29, 2024, 08:34:57 PM
Upgrades on Cash & Bailey perhaps, knowing that players like Cash and SJM come into that near-as-damn-it pure profit category.
Post by: fredm on November 29, 2024, 09:14:52 PM
We are definitely missing Diaby's insane pace
Pace is the main asset we are short of this season. Diaby may not have finalised the end product but he caused the opposition to be well aware of him and to keep more defensive.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 29, 2024, 09:20:51 PM
Post by: eye digress on November 30, 2024, 05:21:09 AM
Post by: Risso on November 30, 2024, 07:33:13 AM
Losing Diaby exposed the team to the vagaries of Bailey's form, which is a shame. It's worth remembering that Bailey started slowly last year too, but could find his form (from the bench) while Diaby was still in his purple patch, without detracting from the team performance.
Bailey had 3 goals and 3 assists by this stage last year. This season he's got 2 assists.
Post by: Ian. on November 30, 2024, 08:34:35 AM
I do think we need someone in January who can either put pressure on Bailey, either as a direct replacement or can play more centrally.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 30, 2024, 10:25:00 AM
Bailey didn’t really kick on until late October early November last season and he’s showing signs of promise again now. Diaby was always going to be a loss, he contributed a huge amount last season even though at times he drifted in and out of a game. His stats back that up. We never replaced him properly. I’m sure there was a plan to do so, but then the realisation of the FPP restrictions came to light.
I do think we need someone in January who can either put pressure on Bailey, either as a direct replacement or can play more centrally.
Isn’t Morgan Diaby’s replacement? Buendia replacing the Italian fella that I’ve already forgotten. Jaden is understudy to Bailey.
The squad is big enough, and arguably good enough. There’s just too many people out of form at the moment. No-one is at their peak, expect maybe Tielemans.
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on November 30, 2024, 11:39:23 AM
And every scout in the world will be watching him.
Post by: OCD on November 30, 2024, 12:03:06 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 30, 2024, 01:18:19 PM
I hope we’re busy in January in an effort to finish top 4/5 again. We have the safety net of many saleable assets before June 30th if we’re desperate to balance the books then.
Upgrades on Cash & Bailey perhaps, knowing that players like Cash and SJM come into that near-as-damn-it pure profit category.
Although i agree we should, i cant see us being that active until the summer 1 or at most 2 coming in.
Post by: Steve67 on November 30, 2024, 01:39:49 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 30, 2024, 01:48:37 PM
Sorry if this (rather obvious) selection has been done before, but every time I watch Southampton's Tyler Dibling (Cuthbert Dibble Grubb) play, the lad reminds me so much of early Grealish, ripping through defenders and looking like he's having enormous fun.
And every scout in the world will be watching him.
I’ve mentioned him a few times, I’d be delighted if we bought him and Roy Keane’s son in law when they go down.
Post by: Ian. on November 30, 2024, 02:00:10 PM
Bailey didn’t really kick on until late October early November last season and he’s showing signs of promise again now. Diaby was always going to be a loss, he contributed a huge amount last season even though at times he drifted in and out of a game. His stats back that up. We never replaced him properly. I’m sure there was a plan to do so, but then the realisation of the FPP restrictions came to light.
I do think we need someone in January who can either put pressure on Bailey, either as a direct replacement or can play more centrally.
Isn’t Morgan Diaby’s replacement? Buendia replacing the Italian fella that I’ve already forgotten. Jaden is understudy to Bailey.
The squad is big enough, and arguably good enough. There’s just too many people out of form at the moment. No-one is at their peak, expect maybe Tielemans.
Morgan is very different to Diaby, who could either play centrally or out wide which allowed us to rest Bailey, giving us very good options on the right hand side. Jaden doesn’t seem ready to be a replacement for Bailey. Unfortunately little Emi hasn’t really looked good enough to be anywhere near the standard we achieved last season.
I agree though, we do have too many players under par over the last four weeks.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 30, 2024, 03:33:19 PM
We are definitely missing Diaby's insane pace
Pace is the main asset we are short of this season. Diaby may not have finalised the end product but he caused the opposition to be well aware of him and to keep more defensive.
Just wtaching the palace game. We really missed a trick not getting sarr. For 12m thats a steal.he is quick and exactly the type of player we need
Post by: Drummond on November 30, 2024, 05:58:37 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 30, 2024, 06:40:07 PM
We are definitely missing Diaby's insane pace
Pace is the main asset we are short of this season. Diaby may not have finalised the end product but he caused the opposition to be well aware of him and to keep more defensive.
Just wtaching the palace game. We really missed a trick not getting sarr. For 12m thats a steal.he is quick and exactly the type of player we need
You have watched him play well in ONE game, where he has his only goal and assist this season*, and are stating we should have bought him. Glad you aren't on the recruitment team.
*He only scored 3 last season... in France.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 30, 2024, 07:43:16 PM
The 18 year old that played for Sunderland last night looks like the real deal.
Is that Rigg, Bellingham or someone else?
Post by: OCD on December 01, 2024, 11:39:27 AM
"He’s got a wonderful left foot. He looks like someone who is going to play with that silkiness, with the passing on his left foot, and he looks to have that tiger in him as well. He wants to tackle everyone. It’s not a bad mix for a midfielder."
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/nxgn-chris-rigg-sunderland-teenage-midfielder-roy-keane-nastiness/bltb4b6918b4b3dff3f#csea51928280745199
Post by: Demitri_C on December 01, 2024, 11:56:42 AM
We are definitely missing Diaby's insane pace
Pace is the main asset we are short of this season. Diaby may not have finalised the end product but he caused the opposition to be well aware of him and to keep more defensive.
Just wtaching the palace game. We really missed a trick not getting sarr. For 12m thats a steal.he is quick and exactly the type of player we need
You have watched him play well in ONE game, where he has his only goal and assist this season*, and are stating we should have bought him. Glad you aren't on the recruitment team.
*He only scored 3 last season... in France.
I take you forgot the games vs watford were he battered us?
Remind me how many goals has bailey and philiogene got in the league this season?
Its what he adds to the team. He is quick can cause defenders issues and for 12.5m under a quality manager like unai his game couls go to the next level.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 01, 2024, 12:49:31 PM
Must be Rigg. He's being compared to Roy Keane and has been captaining England at U16/17/18 level.
"He’s got a wonderful left foot. He looks like someone who is going to play with that silkiness, with the passing on his left foot, and he looks to have that tiger in him as well. He wants to tackle everyone. It’s not a bad mix for a midfielder."
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/nxgn-chris-rigg-sunderland-teenage-midfielder-roy-keane-nastiness/bltb4b6918b4b3dff3f#csea51928280745199
McGinn to Rigg transition? I’d like to see us do deals where we sign him but he stays at Sunderland for another year, maybe two. Probably a good way of doing the deal, at a reasonable price, and also means the player can continue to develop in an environment they’re happy in.
Post by: cheadlevilla on December 01, 2024, 03:33:00 PM
At the moment the left hand side of the team has nothing and there no one prepared to take a man on and try something different
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 01, 2024, 03:36:31 PM
We are definitely missing Diaby's insane pace
Pace is the main asset we are short of this season. Diaby may not have finalised the end product but he caused the opposition to be well aware of him and to keep more defensive.
Just wtaching the palace game. We really missed a trick not getting sarr. For 12m thats a steal.he is quick and exactly the type of player we need
You have watched him play well in ONE game, where he has his only goal and assist this season*, and are stating we should have bought him. Glad you aren't on the recruitment team.
*He only scored 3 last season... in France.
I take you forgot the games vs watford were he battered us?
Remind me how many goals has bailey and philiogene got in the league this season?
Its what he adds to the team. He is quick can cause defenders issues and for 12.5m under a quality manager like unai his game couls go to the next level.
So again you're going by just the games he has played against us? Pretty much proving my point.
Yeah, I haven't mentioned Bailey or Philogene, nice work.
Post by: Mister E on December 01, 2024, 03:38:30 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 01, 2024, 03:41:29 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 01, 2024, 03:42:47 PM
Post by: dicedlam on December 01, 2024, 03:43:32 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 01, 2024, 03:44:41 PM
We've missed the boat in selling Watkins. Should've cashed in when he was on a roll, last summer or this. Now he's returned to his natural level we'd get fuck all for him.I wouldn't underestimate the ego of another manager believing he can get the best from him
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 01, 2024, 03:47:38 PM
We could do with a couple of Italian nasty bastards at the back.
That punchy bloke off Strictly could be one of them.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 01, 2024, 03:51:20 PM
We've missed the boat in selling Watkins. Should've cashed in when he was on a roll, last summer or this. Now he's returned to his natural level we'd get fuck all for him.I wouldn't underestimate the ego of another manager believing he can get the best from him
I wouldn't underestimate the football nous of top coaches who can see an overrated striker who can rarely finish his dinner, and can't hack it if the nasty men buy another forward when they see one.
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2024, 05:02:04 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 01, 2024, 05:04:35 PM
We are definitely missing Diaby's insane pace
Pace is the main asset we are short of this season. Diaby may not have finalised the end product but he caused the opposition to be well aware of him and to keep more defensive.
Just wtaching the palace game. We really missed a trick not getting sarr. For 12m thats a steal.he is quick and exactly the type of player we need
You have watched him play well in ONE game, where he has his only goal and assist this season*, and are stating we should have bought him. Glad you aren't on the recruitment team.
*He only scored 3 last season... in France.
I take you forgot the games vs watford were he battered us?
Remind me how many goals has bailey and philiogene got in the league this season?
Its what he adds to the team. He is quick can cause defenders issues and for 12.5m under a quality manager like unai his game couls go to the next level.
So again you're going by just the games he has played against us? Pretty much proving my point.
Yeah, I haven't mentioned Bailey or Philogene, nice work.
You are saying he isnt good enough but i just merely highlighted the point he has done better than philogene and bailey. Its fact as he has scored more in a worse team ( you ignored that element of my post)
Philiogene is absolutely useless. Sarr is a far superior upgrade to him
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 01, 2024, 05:22:09 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 01, 2024, 05:36:10 PM
If we signed Sarr you'd be moaning your arse off about him within ten minutes of his debut. We need a far better player than him. Sadly those sort of players are rarely available in January so I doubt we will do much business.
If he was playing as badly as philiogene then yes i would. Guess you must accept consistent mediocre performances as thats what we have had from bailey and philiogene? Sarr wouldn't take much more to be better than those two who have a combined zero goals in the league this year
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 01, 2024, 05:49:10 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 01, 2024, 05:50:41 PM
Sarr is mediocre.
So whats bailey and philiogene?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 01, 2024, 05:55:44 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 01, 2024, 05:57:25 PM
Sarr is mediocre.
So whats bailey and philiogene?
Mediocre. That's why we need to buy better, not more of the same.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 01, 2024, 06:05:07 PM
Sarr is mediocre.
So whats bailey and philiogene?
Mediocre. That's why we need to buy better, not more of the same.
Hope the scouting team is already identifying targets because if its bailey and philiogene all season we be lucky if we finish in top 10 let alone top 7
If i knew this is the bailey that was going to show up this season i would have rather sold him than diaby
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2024, 06:32:44 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 01, 2024, 06:36:38 PM
It’s telling that the only players in any sort of form were bought by previous managers. Martinez and Konsa by Smith, Digne and Kamara by Gerrard. None of Monchi/Unai’s picks are pulling up any trees at all, and the summer’s business overall has to go down as a complete disaster.
Good point mart.
The only signing that was doing well was diaby who we sold
Onanas done ok but very inconsistent and injury prone. For a big lad he has a really bad injury record
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 01, 2024, 08:47:54 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 01, 2024, 08:48:57 PM
Post by: Tuscans on December 01, 2024, 09:50:35 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 01, 2024, 10:04:22 PM
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2024, 10:08:32 PM
I know alot of people are not keen but if luiZ is available on loan that should be the first signing january 1st.
Didn't Emery rule that out as a possibility recently?
Post by: Demitri_C on December 01, 2024, 10:17:48 PM
I know alot of people are not keen but if luiZ is available on loan that should be the first signing january 1st.
Didn't Emery rule that out as a possibility recently?
Has he? I havent read that if that was case. Only thing i saw was Monchi saying he would take him back if available ( or something along those lines) shame if thats the case.
I wouldnt pay 50m to bring him.back just yet but if he is available for loan for now id take him. We really aee missing his presence in midfield
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 02, 2024, 12:18:39 AM
If we signed Sarr you'd be moaning your arse off about him within ten minutes of his debut. We need a far better player than him. Sadly those sort of players are rarely available in January so I doubt we will do much business.
If he was playing as badly as philiogene then yes i would. Guess you must accept consistent mediocre performances as thats what we have had from bailey and philiogene? Sarr wouldn't take much more to be better than those two who have a combined zero goals in the league this year
Fucking Hell DC. The point is you're judging Sarr to be good enough based on a handful of games, which is bollocks. That obviously doesn't mean Philogene and Bailey have been good enough, that's why it was pointless bringing them up. He's got one goal and one assist, let's sign him up!
Post by: ozzjim on December 02, 2024, 07:11:13 AM
I think the winger and the 10 relieve so much pressure off the back 4 if you get them right but also off the current forwards too.
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 02, 2024, 08:20:09 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 02, 2024, 08:29:17 AM
If we signed Sarr you'd be moaning your arse off about him within ten minutes of his debut. We need a far better player than him. Sadly those sort of players are rarely available in January so I doubt we will do much business.
If he was playing as badly as philiogene then yes i would. Guess you must accept consistent mediocre performances as thats what we have had from bailey and philiogene? Sarr wouldn't take much more to be better than those two who have a combined zero goals in the league this year
Fucking Hell DC. The point is you're judging Sarr to be good enough based on a handful of games, which is bollocks. That obviously doesn't mean Philogene and Bailey have been good enough, that's why it was pointless bringing them up. He's got one goal and one assist, let's sign him up!
Its not bollocks its a matter of opinion. I would rather have sarr than philiogene based on what he brings in terms of pace and under emerys coaching his game could go next level. He breaks like diaby does. Tell when you have seen philiogene do that?
Post by: Baldy on December 02, 2024, 08:41:14 AM
We need to stop playing fixtures like we're in the vinegar strokes of a marathon. High press teams are having a field day against us and it pisses the fans off because we look so half-arsed.
This 100%.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 02, 2024, 10:07:53 AM
We need a winger with genuine pace and an ability to get in behind that is patently obvious to everyone. We need a strong, athletic right back, again fairly obvious, and we potentially need a proper, genuine number 10. Add those 3 at a top 6 level player, we're going to fly second half of the season.Do you genuinely believe we have the capacity to make these types of signings?
I think the winger and the 10 relieve so much pressure off the back 4 if you get them right but also off the current forwards too.
Even if those type of players were available.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 02, 2024, 10:12:23 AM
Post by: Drummond on December 02, 2024, 10:14:59 AM
Rogers in form can play 10. It’s the lack of a winger that’s creating the issue because opposition can basically swarm Rogers. If we had a more effective outlet out wide that couldn’t happen.
Bailey doesn't need 3 on him as he did at times last season either. Rogers has no space, and when Tielemans plays it quickly to him there's no chance for anyone to catch up.
Post by: ozzjim on December 02, 2024, 10:49:21 AM
Post by: Risso on December 02, 2024, 10:51:59 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 02, 2024, 10:56:39 AM
I think one of the problems with Morgan is that he's not really that quick, and neither are any of his team mates. So for all his strength and skill on the ball, he's just not getting away from players, and opposition players have worked out that if they don't dive on him, a lot of the time he'll give the ball away of his own volition.Its more his decision making than pace that is the problem also that he looks knackered is not helping.
He needs time out to get his sharpness back.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 02, 2024, 12:42:37 PM
If we signed Sarr you'd be moaning your arse off about him within ten minutes of his debut. We need a far better player than him. Sadly those sort of players are rarely available in January so I doubt we will do much business.
If he was playing as badly as philiogene then yes i would. Guess you must accept consistent mediocre performances as thats what we have had from bailey and philiogene? Sarr wouldn't take much more to be better than those two who have a combined zero goals in the league this year
Fucking Hell DC. The point is you're judging Sarr to be good enough based on a handful of games, which is bollocks. That obviously doesn't mean Philogene and Bailey have been good enough, that's why it was pointless bringing them up. He's got one goal and one assist, let's sign him up!
Its not bollocks its a matter of opinion. I would rather have sarr than philiogene based on what he brings in terms of pace and under emerys coaching his game could go next level. He breaks like diaby does. Tell when you have seen philiogene do that?
I'm off to converse with a wall.
Post by: ozzjim on December 02, 2024, 01:57:06 PM
When you look at what Forest picked up Elanga and Odoi for it was incredible business, but they are knitted together by Gibbs White, who is the type of 10 we need. Rogers would be fine on the left. Smart buying this Jan we'll be fine.
Post by: Risso on December 02, 2024, 01:59:50 PM
I think there are much better players than Sarr and Philogene out there. Philogene needs a much longer run to get confidence though.
When you look at what Forest picked up Elanga and Odoi for it was incredible business, but they are knitted together by Gibbs White, who is the type of 10 we need. Rogers would be fine on the left. Smart buying this Jan we'll be fine.
It's hard (but not impossible) to bring that standard of player in in January. We needed to do much better in the summer.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 02, 2024, 02:10:37 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 02, 2024, 04:23:17 PM
There are players and deals out there. Look at Juventus, they have Francisco Conceição on loan with an option to buy for €30m in the summer.
Exactly
We could have got chalobah on loan and we didnt go for him.
Plenty of deals out there i agree
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 02, 2024, 08:38:41 PM
It’s not about filling the squad with worse or similar players to what we have.
We are missing the quality Doug had in the first half of last year, and the difference Diaby brought in terms of style. We need points of difference, not squad fillers.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 02, 2024, 09:42:41 PM
The bloke who’s playing for Palace? Meh.
It’s not about filling the squad with worse or similar players to what we have.
We are missing the quality Doug had in the first half of last year, and the difference Diaby brought in terms of style. We need points of difference, not squad fillers.
He has been excellent for palace mate. He is a lot bettee than cash in my opinion.
I agree about your point about luiz and diabs though. As i said on the last few pages if dougies available on loan its a no brainer to bring him back. That wouldn't break the bank either. But I think Risso said emerys not wanting him back which would be a shame. Barkleys done ok but he is no luiz on luizs top form
Philogene is definitely no diaby either. More a trezuguet/ el ghazi
Post by: PeterWithe on December 02, 2024, 09:47:33 PM
I didn't think he was particularly noticable when we played them
Post by: Demitri_C on December 02, 2024, 09:49:34 PM
Chalobah doesn't play RB does he?yeah he does and is very good there
I didn't think he was particularly noticable when we played them
Post by: PeterWithe on December 02, 2024, 09:52:02 PM
Chalobah doesn't play RB does he?yeah he does and is very good there
I didn't think he was particularly noticable when we played them
Oh ok, I don't like centre backs playing at RB, you need a specialist there to get forward.
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 02, 2024, 09:53:37 PM
Chalobah doesn't play RB does he?yeah he does and is very good there
I didn't think he was particularly noticable when we played them
He's a CB by trade and this season has been playing on the right of a back 3 so not exactly a right back. He's barely been noticeable
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 02, 2024, 09:55:18 PM
Chalobah doesn't play RB does he?yeah he does and is very good there
I didn't think he was particularly noticable when we played them
I thought they normally play a back 3 and he’s the right sided centre back. Munoz plays right back.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 02, 2024, 10:29:50 PM
Chalobah doesn't play RB does he?yeah he does and is very good there
I didn't think he was particularly noticable when we played them
I thought they normally play a back 3 and he’s the right sided centre back. Munoz plays right back.
Yeah, they play 3 at the back.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 02, 2024, 10:33:43 PM
Chalobah doesn't play RB does he?yeah he does and is very good there
I didn't think he was particularly noticable when we played them
I thought they normally play a back 3 and he’s the right sided centre back. Munoz plays right back.
Yeah, they play 3 at the back.
SCUM.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 02, 2024, 10:40:05 PM
Chalobah doesn't play RB does he?yeah he does and is very good there
I didn't think he was particularly noticable when we played them
I thought they normally play a back 3 and he’s the right sided centre back. Munoz plays right back.
Yeah, they play 3 at the back.
SCUM.
Yeah, but what if that scum had one good game against us? I say sign them all and rip up our formation.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 02, 2024, 10:48:32 PM
Chalobah doesn't play RB does he?yeah he does and is very good there
I didn't think he was particularly noticable when we played them
I thought they normally play a back 3 and he’s the right sided centre back. Munoz plays right back.
Yeah, they play 3 at the back.
SCUM.
Yeah, but what if that scum had one good game against us? I say sign them all and rip up our formation.
If we sign everyone, nobody will be able to score against us!
Until we sell them again for PSR. 😰
Post by: Dave on December 03, 2024, 07:18:24 AM
The bloke who’s playing for Palace? Meh.
It’s not about filling the squad with worse or similar players to what we have.
We are missing the quality Doug had in the first half of last year, and the difference Diaby brought in terms of style. We need points of difference, not squad fillers.
He has been excellent for palace mate. He is a lot bettee than cash in my opinion.
He was very good for them against Spurs - which other games did he do well in?
Post by: ozzjim on December 03, 2024, 07:32:46 AM
Post by: Ads on December 03, 2024, 09:15:43 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 03, 2024, 10:41:12 AM
Post by: ROBBO on December 03, 2024, 11:30:31 AM
Onana is the fastest player at the club.
Can he play on the wing ?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 03, 2024, 11:36:55 AM
Not sure what has happened to baileys pace as when we were first signed him he looked quick as fuck. Now he looks so slow and not very mobile
He has an unfortunate run/ swagger which looks like he is not trying particularly when he is off form
Post by: eamonn on December 03, 2024, 12:45:18 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 03, 2024, 02:21:34 PM
How's Gertrude been doing at Leipzig? Maybe he'll have second thoughts when we hump them in a week or two.
Apparently spurs and arsenal are looking at him now. He has been playing DM as well as RB.
I feel it was a huge mistake not signing him
Post by: Dave on December 03, 2024, 02:32:57 PM
I feel it was a huge mistake not signing him
And just take the points deduction?
Post by: LeeB on December 03, 2024, 02:43:25 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 03, 2024, 02:57:36 PM
He's had a huge impact on the all of the Champions League games that they haven't picked up a single point in.
Oh Lee, the gods. Don't fuck with the gods.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 03, 2024, 03:00:04 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 03, 2024, 03:25:32 PM
He's had a huge impact on the all of the Champions League games that they haven't picked up a single point in.
HUGE MISTAKE
Post by: Demitri_C on December 03, 2024, 03:55:19 PM
I feel it was a huge mistake not signing him
And just take the points deduction?
Or sell another player ? E.g the never fit ramsey
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 03, 2024, 05:08:47 PM
I feel it was a huge mistake not signing him
And just take the points deduction?
Or sell another player ? E.g the never fit ramsey
Why would someone want to buy the “never fit Ramsey”?
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 03, 2024, 05:12:40 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 03, 2024, 05:12:58 PM
He's had a huge impact on the all of the Champions League games that they haven't picked up a single point in.
Oh Lee, the gods. Don't fuck with the gods.
First hatrick in CL history scored by a right back incoming.
He's had a huge impact on the all of the Champions League games that they haven't picked up a single point in.
HUGE MISTAKE
In the words of our six fingered cousins "Absolute fannys" (sic)
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 03, 2024, 05:15:11 PM
The bastard beat us on his own.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 04, 2024, 06:29:26 PM
Edit. Thought his contract was expiring but apparently he signed a deal last year with a £60m buyout, so beyond us.
Post by: Rigadon on December 04, 2024, 07:27:14 PM
We should be looking at Alex Baena, according to Sid Lowe, Spanish football journalist, he’s been one of the standout players in Spain so far. Plays for Villarreal so Unai should be familiar.
Edit. Thought his contract was expiring but apparently he signed a deal last year with a £60m buyout, so beyond us.
Not sure it is beyond us? But there again, I've never heard of the player so I'm not the oracle!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 04, 2024, 10:17:43 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 05, 2024, 01:11:12 AM
I think it's probably the case that they thought they had those areas covered with Nedeljkovic and Philogene, but both look way off the required level at the moment. Would be better to get those two out on loan and get in players who can potentially step in and do a job in games for us.
There probably isn't going to be a lot of money around, so it may just be a couple of loans with options to buy, but the one requirement for me would be someone with genuine pace on that right attacking side.
We could then look again at some more permanent options in the summer.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 05, 2024, 01:41:18 AM
We aren't going to be spending 60m on anyone in January, thanks to PSR.
Depends as any deal in theory only puts 15 mil on the bad column. And we have definitely earned more this season with CL wins and Hecks squeezing, but even if we haven't, we sell in June like last year.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 05, 2024, 07:07:52 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 05, 2024, 08:11:28 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 05, 2024, 05:28:31 PM
Was thinking tonight at the game that what we really need for the rest of the season are options at RW and RB. Not necessarily to replace Bailey and Cash, but to give us options there.
I think it's probably the case that they thought they had those areas covered with Nedeljkovic and Philogene, but both look way off the required level at the moment. Would be better to get those two out on loan and get in players who can potentially step in and do a job in games for us.
There probably isn't going to be a lot of money around, so it may just be a couple of loans with options to buy, but the one requirement for me would be someone with genuine pace on that right attacking side.
We could then look again at some more permanent options in the summer.
Frimpong? Covers both positions and has a relatively low release clause.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 05, 2024, 05:31:28 PM
Frimpong
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Frimpong
Iddle-I-Po
Post by: IFWaters on December 05, 2024, 05:44:46 PM
Frimpong
Frimpong
Frimpong
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Post by: Tuscans on December 05, 2024, 08:30:24 PM
Post by: OCD on December 05, 2024, 08:33:53 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 05, 2024, 08:36:46 PM
Post by: Tuscans on December 05, 2024, 08:37:45 PM
Does the extra revenue generated from the CL games help our transfer budget at all this Jan?I think all that plays more a part on the accounts after the summer next year.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 06, 2024, 05:35:24 AM
Does the extra revenue generated from the CL games help our transfer budget at all this Jan?
Depends on our costs, but it will definitely help with planning. The club will know exactly what we can and can’t do and the level of losses that we can incur/sustain, and with higher revenue, that level will be more than if we weren’t in it.
Thing is, the year before last we lost £119m on turnover of £218m. Turnover for last season will be something like £270m, so if costs stay the same that will still be a £70m loss. Of course, player trading is all guesswork to us, but that could be either a positive or a negative. Either way, I’m pretty sure we’ll be constrained to some extent, but what we could do is gamble on signings we feel could get us into the top 4/5 and therefore CL, and do what we did this year and cover things by selling before the financial year end (June 30th).
Post by: OCD on December 06, 2024, 10:41:09 AM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on December 06, 2024, 11:49:02 AM
Can't stand Bailey so would like Kudus at West Ham or Adringa at Brighton. Both probably out of our reach financially so maybe Semenyo at Bournemouth, Mbeumo at Brentford or Cunha at Wolves might be more realistic but still not cheap.Another vote for Semenyo. Cracking player.
Post by: paul_e on December 06, 2024, 01:20:58 PM
Can't stand Bailey so would like Kudus at West Ham or Adringa at Brighton. Both probably out of our reach financially so maybe Semenyo at Bournemouth, Mbeumo at Brentford or Cunha at Wolves might be more realistic but still not cheap.Another vote for Semenyo. Cracking player.
Not for me, he's great with the ball but gets very few assists and not enough goals for the amount of ball he gets in dangerous areas. He just looks to me like the sort of player we've signed a number of times in the past only for them to be disappointing before leaving for less than we paid/free a few years later.
Post by: Mister E on December 06, 2024, 02:06:00 PM
Agreed, Paul.Not for me, he's great with the ball but gets very few assists and not enough goals for the amount of ball he gets in dangerous areas. He just looks to me like the sort of player we've signed a number of times in the past only for them to be disappointing before leaving for less than we paid/free a few years later.Can't stand Bailey so would like Kudus at West Ham or Adringa at Brighton. Both probably out of our reach financially so maybe Semenyo at Bournemouth, Mbeumo at Brentford or Cunha at Wolves might be more realistic but still not cheap.Another vote for Semenyo. Cracking player.
Post by: KevinGage on December 06, 2024, 02:28:49 PM
Can't stand Bailey so would like Kudus at West Ham or Adringa at Brighton. Both probably out of our reach financially so maybe Semenyo at Bournemouth, Mbeumo at Brentford or Cunha at Wolves might be more realistic but still not cheap.Another vote for Semenyo. Cracking player.
Good player, no doubt.
But don’t see us forking out the £40-50 mill minimum it would take for just about any PL side to part with one of their better attackers this window.
If we go for a wide option this Jan - and I hope we do - it will either be a loan or Alex Moreno-style value deal from abroad.
Post by: Dave on December 06, 2024, 02:45:59 PM
But don’t see us forking out the £40-50 mill minimum it would take for just about any PL side to part with one of their better attackers this window.
There's also the fact that for all the excitement of this-season's-shiny-and-exciting-Premier-League-winger, that player last season was Leon Bailey.
So it feels unlikely we'll be spending tens of millions of pounds on this year's Bailey when we've got Bailey in the fridge at home.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 06, 2024, 03:32:48 PM
Less than 30m they paid bargain
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 06, 2024, 04:42:41 PM
Joao pedro of brighton looks a player
Less than 30m they paid bargain
and would probably cost double that now
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2024, 04:51:12 PM
Agreed, Paul.Not for me, he's great with the ball but gets very few assists and not enough goals for the amount of ball he gets in dangerous areas. He just looks to me like the sort of player we've signed a number of times in the past only for them to be disappointing before leaving for less than we paid/free a few years later.Can't stand Bailey so would like Kudus at West Ham or Adringa at Brighton. Both probably out of our reach financially so maybe Semenyo at Bournemouth, Mbeumo at Brentford or Cunha at Wolves might be more realistic but still not cheap.Another vote for Semenyo. Cracking player.
I agree, and that's why we should go balls out for Ismail Sarr.
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2024, 04:52:59 PM
But don’t see us forking out the £40-50 mill minimum it would take for just about any PL side to part with one of their better attackers this window.
There's also the fact that for all the excitement of this-season's-shiny-and-exciting-Premier-League-winger, that player last season was Leon Bailey.
So it feels unlikely we'll be spending tens of millions of pounds on this year's Bailey when we've got Bailey in the fridge at home.
Someone left the Baileys out of the fridge over the summer and it's gone off.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 06, 2024, 05:09:16 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 06, 2024, 05:47:38 PM
Joao pedro of brighton looks a player
Less than 30m they paid bargain
and would probably cost double that now
Minimum. They sold Caicedo for £100mil plus add-ons although that might have been the Chelsea tax as Mac Calister went for £35mil plus £20mil add ons. (I'm assuming there wasn't long on his contract either.)
Post by: LeeB on December 06, 2024, 08:33:47 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 07, 2024, 02:18:58 AM
Unai wants a right-back and a versatile attacker, but doesn’t know if PSR allows.
I think those are the two key positions for me this window.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 07, 2024, 04:02:41 AM
Unai wants a right-back and a versatile attacker, but doesn’t know if PSR allows.
I think those are the two key positions for me this window.
Me too. Fingers crossed eh?
Post by: tomd2103 on December 07, 2024, 10:29:06 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 07, 2024, 10:51:24 AM
Yep. I have no idea what our financial situation now is though and it's difficult to do deals in January, but we need options in those areas. Think we can probably get by until the end of he season in other positions.
If we have a chance of CL then i would definitely try get a rb in jan and leave the attacker until summer unless we can get a loan player in
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2024, 10:59:16 AM
Post by: Risso on December 07, 2024, 11:02:18 AM
Depends which right-back. If Cash plays the next few games like he's played the last few, I'm not sure what that January upgrade looks like.
Agreed. The problem with Cash isn't his ability, it's the fact that he doesn't ever seem to stay fit for more than half a dozen games in a row.
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2024, 11:11:31 AM
Depends which right-back. If Cash plays the next few games like he's played the last few, I'm not sure what that January upgrade looks like.
Agreed. The problem with Cash isn't his ability, it's the fact that he doesn't ever seem to stay fit for more than half a dozen games in a row.
On the wider right-back question, I think we might get stung by Bigger Teams™ also being in the market for the best right-backs around next summer.
A bit like everyone wanted a striker a couple of summers back, it'll be right-backs and defensive midfielders this summer.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 07, 2024, 11:41:08 AM
Depends which right-back. If Cash plays the next few games like he's played the last few, I'm not sure what that January upgrade looks like.
Agreed. The problem with Cash isn't his ability, it's the fact that he doesn't ever seem to stay fit for more than half a dozen games in a row.
A right back that can also cross a ball would be on my list of requirements.
Post by: Monty on December 07, 2024, 11:43:32 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 07, 2024, 12:21:11 PM
Joao pedro of brighton looks a player
Less than 30m they paid bargain
and would probably cost double that now
Agreed. Brighton have a habit of signing some class players and selling them for double. Hope soon our scouting team can pick some more up like duran for example
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 07, 2024, 12:27:20 PM
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Post by: Demitri_C on December 07, 2024, 01:31:02 PM
Not sure that’s fair. We’ve done brilliantly recently. Most players have seen their values increase and often double.
Well i get your point when you consider wr paid 15m fir luiz, youri on a free, mcginn for 2m. But then you have 30m on carlos with no resale value of that figure same with digne.
I thinkwe have over paid for some players like onana for example but we will only know answer in few years time
Post by: paul_e on December 07, 2024, 01:37:00 PM
Not sure that’s fair. We’ve done brilliantly recently. Most players have seen their values increase and often double.
Well i get your point when you consider wr paid 15m fir luiz, youri on a free, mcginn for 2m. But then you have 30m on carlos with no resale value of that figure same with digne.
I thinkwe have over paid for some players like onana for example but we will only know answer in few years time
The majority of our signings have either increased in value or have done what they were signed for despite having little resale value.
Post by: Dave on December 07, 2024, 01:41:41 PM
Not sure that’s fair. We’ve done brilliantly recently. Most players have seen their values increase and often double.
Well i get your point when you consider wr paid 15m fir luiz, youri on a free, mcginn for 2m. But then you have 30m on carlos with no resale value of that figure same with digne.
Every club has them. Brighton spent nearly £60m on Jahanbaksh, Izquierdo and Locadia and saw them all leave on free transfers.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 07, 2024, 02:14:00 PM
.cheers dave didnt realise that.Not sure that’s fair. We’ve done brilliantly recently. Most players have seen their values increase and often double.
Well i get your point when you consider wr paid 15m fir luiz, youri on a free, mcginn for 2m. But then you have 30m on carlos with no resale value of that figure same with digne.
Every club has them. Brighton spent nearly £60m on Jahanbaksh, Izquierdo and Locadia and saw them all leave on free transfers.
Not sure that’s fair. We’ve done brilliantly recently. Most players have seen their values increase and often double.
Well i get your point when you consider wr paid 15m fir luiz, youri on a free, mcginn for 2m. But then you have 30m on carlos with no resale value of that figure same with digne.
I thinkwe have over paid for some players like onana for example but we will only know answer in few years time
The majority of our signings have either increased in value or have done what they were signed for despite having little resale value.
Id argue bailey hasnt really delivered apart from one season. Two rubbish ones and one excellent one.
Unais signings have generally been good its most of the rotten signings by gerrard
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2024, 03:18:45 PM
Tyler Dibling, according to the BBC gossip page (link is to the Sun).
Give his family free tickets for the Lower Grounds today. Done deal.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 07, 2024, 06:17:52 PM
Depends which right-back. If Cash plays the next few games like he's played the last few, I'm not sure what that January upgrade looks like.
Not so much an upgrade (though I do think we probably do need better than Cash if we are going to go to the next level) just another option there, as Cash has his fitness issues and so we don't have to re-jig the defence when.he is missing.
Post by: ozzjim on December 07, 2024, 10:27:03 PM
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Post by: Demitri_C on December 08, 2024, 11:51:23 AM
Konsa did brilliantly today at right back but a right back and a right sided forward are a must in Jan. The forward probably more so, final ball, pace, ability to make a good decision. Bailey and Philogene have been like having 10 men at times.
He did well but Southampton offered virtually nothing. Its against the better sides he struggles. Definitely a area we need to think about in the next two windows
Post by: Drummond on December 08, 2024, 12:14:15 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 08, 2024, 12:26:34 PM
I don't think it's specifically a Right sided winger we needReally? - I think it is time to call time on Bailey and bring in someone who can make space, beat his fullback and add something a little more spicy in attack - Tyler Dibling?! Harvey Barnes (who, I know, plays more off the left)?
an adaptable pacy forward who can play across the line.Both Watkins and Duran have these attributes, don't they?
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 08, 2024, 04:30:20 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 08, 2024, 04:59:59 PM
Didn't think much of Dibling yesterday. One good run, but wasted the only good break they had second half by keeping the ball instead of passing it. Against that, I thought Walker-Peters looked very good. He is out of contract in the summer.I like W-Peters: plays both sides and full of energy. I noticed yesterday that he drifted alot - which may or may not be a good thing. I'd definitely take him: cut a desk in January for a move in July.
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 08, 2024, 05:00:29 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 08, 2024, 05:01:25 PM
Being linked with Dewsbury-Hall in Jan, which should be worth a few National Trust jokes at least.Not exactly a priority position to fill ...
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 08, 2024, 05:21:55 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 08, 2024, 05:59:34 PM
Being linked with Dewsbury-Hall in Jan, which should be worth a few National Trust jokes at least.
No thanks
Post by: Demitri_C on December 08, 2024, 06:01:11 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 08, 2024, 06:32:55 PM
I wouldnt say no to gibbs white. A very good player
Good player but we’re well stocked in his position. RB and a winger is priority, but I’d prefer no purchase (or loan) than a panic buy.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 08, 2024, 06:35:24 PM
Being linked with Dewsbury-Hall in Jan, which should be worth a few National Trust jokes at least.
No thanks
They can't be any worse than the ones in the 'JOKES' thread.
Post by: brontebilly on December 08, 2024, 08:41:59 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 08, 2024, 08:47:35 PM
Is Mount's career in freefall or a good player just being mismanaged? With Ramsey's injury problems not slowing, we definitely need cover at RM and LM.
I’d forgotten he existed. The waste at Man U is frightening/delightful.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 08, 2024, 09:55:54 PM
Being linked with Dewsbury-Hall in Jan, which should be worth a few National Trust jokes at least.Not exactly a priority position to fill ...
Wouldn't have thought so. RW and RB are the priorities on that order for me.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 08, 2024, 10:49:47 PM
Is Mount's career in freefall or a good player just being mismanaged? With Ramsey's injury problems not slowing, we definitely need cover at RM and LM.
Gareth Southgate loves this post!!
Post by: Steve67 on December 08, 2024, 11:00:13 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 09, 2024, 12:00:56 AM
I don't think it's specifically a Right sided winger we need, but more an adaptable pacy forward who can play across the line.
We just need to replace Diaby. Joao Felix was the obvious summer target and just like a few other summer targets when he went elsewhere there was no plan B and we went with our existing options.
I think we'll loan Buendia out to a championship side just to raise his value for a summer move so we'll be even lighter in that area at end of window so would expect someone to be signed but probably a more Rogers type potential signing.
Post by: eamonn on December 09, 2024, 12:45:03 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 09, 2024, 12:50:32 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 09, 2024, 12:57:39 AM
Chukwuemeka has played a few minutes as sub in Europe and the League Cup. There's various rumours that he's off in January with AC Milan the latest club linked. Kellyman got injured just before deadline day and hasn't played since. Probably just as well as he was being linked with a loan move to Small Heath.
Put it this way, I'd rather have the 40 million.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 09, 2024, 08:09:22 AM
Chukwuemeka has played a few minutes as sub in Europe and the League Cup. There's various rumours that he's off in January with AC Milan the latest club linked. Kellyman got injured just before deadline day and hasn't played since. Probably just as well as he was being linked with a loan move to Small Heath.
Put it this way, I'd rather have the 40 million.
Chuck was looking ok last season when fit but clearly not rated by maresca. Like you rather have 20m but i think i would have rather given kellyman game time and not signed philiogene as he has offered virtually nothing all season.
But it was clear FFP was reason we had to
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 09, 2024, 10:05:08 AM
Chukwuemeka has played a few minutes as sub in Europe and the League Cup. There's various rumours that he's off in January with AC Milan the latest club linked. Kellyman got injured just before deadline day and hasn't played since. Probably just as well as he was being linked with a loan move to Small Heath.
Scene similar to the 'break my arm' one in Escape to Victory comes to mind.
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 09, 2024, 01:51:56 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 09, 2024, 10:10:18 PM
Chukwuemeka has played a few minutes as sub in Europe and the League Cup. There's various rumours that he's off in January with AC Milan the latest club linked. Kellyman got injured just before deadline day and hasn't played since. Probably just as well as he was being linked with a loan move to Small Heath.
Put it this way, I'd rather have the 40 million.
Chuck was looking ok last season when fit but clearly not rated by maresca. Like you rather have 20m but i think i would have rather given kellyman game time and not signed philiogene as he has offered virtually nothing all season.
But it was clear FFP was reason we had to
Agree with the sentiment but they’re different positions so it wouldn’t solve the problem. We are well stocked with attacking players down the middle, we need wingers.
Post by: Villan82 on December 10, 2024, 08:11:27 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 10, 2024, 08:16:36 AM
I hope we are looking for a wide midfielder/forward with pace to give Bailey some competition. Even a Zaniolo type who can pop up with the odd match saving goal here and there.
Arda Guler on loan from Resl Madrid would do the trick.
Post by: brontebilly on December 10, 2024, 01:41:06 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2024, 01:43:39 PM
Emery seems to be suggesting that Kosta can leave on loan in January. Given how long we were tracking him, it does seem a bit strange how far he has fallen out of favour.
He's only 18 isn't he?
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 10, 2024, 01:45:34 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 10, 2024, 02:01:11 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 10, 2024, 02:35:42 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 10, 2024, 02:42:26 PM
Perhaps more a reflection that Emery has been reading Percy's posts and now relaises we already have a good right back.
The time he went on Celebrity Mastermind and chose the 'American Mafia' as his specialist subject was also a clue.
Post by: brontebilly on December 10, 2024, 07:15:00 PM
Perhaps more a reflection that Emery has been reading Percy's posts and now relaises we already have a good right back. Better for him to go and learn rather than sitting on the bench. Don't loan him to some twats though, please.
Wolves might take him
Post by: Smithy on December 10, 2024, 07:21:54 PM
Emery seems to be suggesting that Kosta can leave on loan in January. Given how long we were tracking him, it does seem a bit strange how far he has fallen out of favour.
He's only 18 isn't he?
Indeed, and if he had come through our own academy, we'd probably all be excited to see him go on loan and show what he can do. The fact that we paid money for him doesn't change the fact he's still a kid with a lot of learning to do. If Unai doesn't think he's ready to contribute in our first team, then I'm all for seeing him go out and play for 6 months - hopefully at a decent level.
There is also the language barrier, so I hope if the club are loaning him out here in the UK, they're making sure he's ready on a personal level, regardless of his football readiness.
Post by: paul_e on December 10, 2024, 07:39:34 PM
Post by: Dave on December 10, 2024, 07:52:29 PM
If Norway could cobble together a defence, then Haaland - Odegaard - Sorloth - Bobb - Nusa is potentially a front five to rival any in the world.
As it is, they've still got Nyland in goal.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 10, 2024, 08:02:58 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 10, 2024, 08:52:34 PM
I think the kid has great potential and should be regarded as a definite first teamer. Let's not waste any loan deal but put him at a serious club that will give him proper minutes and experience.Emery seems to be suggesting that Kosta can leave on loan in January. Given how long we were tracking him, it does seem a bit strange how far he has fallen out of favour.
He's only 18 isn't he?
Indeed, and if he had come through our own academy, we'd probably all be excited to see him go on loan and show what he can do. The fact that we paid money for him doesn't change the fact he's still a kid with a lot of learning to do. If Unai doesn't think he's ready to contribute in our first team, then I'm all for seeing him go out and play for 6 months - hopefully at a decent level.
There is also the language barrier, so I hope if the club are loaning him out here in the UK, they're making sure he's ready on a personal level, regardless of his football readiness.
Post by: brontebilly on December 10, 2024, 10:24:56 PM
Curious to see geetriudas tonight
Part of a defence that was probably worse than ours tonight. They were a bit of a rabble I thought, some very talented players but disorganised.
Post by: paul_e on December 10, 2024, 10:28:57 PM
Curious to see geetriudas tonight
Part of a defence that was probably worse than ours tonight. They were a bit of a rabble I thought, some very talented players but disorganised.
I thought he was the worst player on the pitch, Watkins and McGinn were over him like a rash in the first half and Rogers and Duran made him look like an oaf a few times as well. In his defence though he's clearly not a centre back but I don't think they had many other options.
Nusa and Openda (who is fucking quick) were their 2 best players by a long way, Sesko, as he did in the euros, looked very average.
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2024, 10:29:00 PM
Curious to see geetriudas tonight
He was wank.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 10, 2024, 10:32:46 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 11, 2024, 02:59:42 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 11, 2024, 07:35:45 AM
Curious to see geetriudas tonight
He was wank.
Agree i didnt think he was good either but one game hard to judge. When youe compare the defenders juve had to Leizpig its no contest. We ahould be looking at juves defenders in summer. They looked class and organised
Post by: Demitri_C on December 12, 2024, 03:00:18 PM
Have to say i he scores quite afew goals and looks a real handful
Post by: LeeB on December 12, 2024, 03:01:57 PM
Would anyone take barnes? Rumours are newcastle might sell for FFP
Have to say i he scores quite afew goals and looks a real handful
He's a brilliant player but seems to be made of rice paper, doesn't matter how good you are if you're never fit to play
Post by: Somniloquism on December 12, 2024, 03:10:36 PM
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Post by: Olneythelonely on December 12, 2024, 03:23:45 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 12, 2024, 03:27:08 PM
Doesn’t he only ever score against us?
If I say no, I will be accused of being a East London correspondent. So the answer is yes.
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 12, 2024, 03:29:50 PM
Doesn’t he only ever score against us?
If I say no, I will be accused of being a East London correspondent. So the answer is yes.
Yes. I thought so. Thanks for confirming.
Post by: AV84 on December 12, 2024, 03:48:00 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 12, 2024, 03:51:53 PM
A punt on Kudos?
Or for the future - Tyler Dibling
Post by: Demitri_C on December 12, 2024, 05:06:17 PM
Mbeumo would be perfect for us on the right wing. Valued at £40m
A punt on Kudos?
Or for the future - Tyler Dibling
If thats the price mbeulo then its a no brainer for me. The guy oozes class and i put him on the diaby level of exciting signing.
Barnes is also a very good player but like lee he does appear abit injury prone
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 12, 2024, 07:16:15 PM
Barnes is also a very good player but like lee he does appear abit injury prone
It's a no for me, simply because he has a very slappable face. Even seeing him on the MOTD highlights irritates me.
Post by: Small Rodent on December 12, 2024, 11:06:44 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 12, 2024, 11:34:14 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 13, 2024, 12:12:12 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 13, 2024, 12:25:12 AM
Personally I'd love Bowen at us, he'd fit in perfectly imo
Yep, he'd be a perfect fit for us as he predominantly plays on the right, but can also play in the 'number 10' role if needed. Didn't he sign a long-term contract recently though, so would likely be a huge fee.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 13, 2024, 11:10:53 AM
Post by: jwarry on December 13, 2024, 11:25:12 AM
Personally I'd love Bowen at us, he'd fit in perfectly imo
Yep, he'd be a perfect fit for us as he predominantly plays on the right, but can also play in the 'number 10' role if needed. Didn't he sign a long-term contract recently though, so would likely be a huge fee.
Is rather we put a Bid in for Conceição albeit he sounds like trouble
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 13, 2024, 01:25:20 PM
Personally I'd love Bowen at us, he'd fit in perfectly imo
Yep, he'd be a perfect fit for us as he predominantly plays on the right, but can also play in the 'number 10' role if needed. Didn't he sign a long-term contract recently though, so would likely be a huge fee.
Is rather we put a Bid in for Conceição albeit he sounds like trouble
Trouble, in what way?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 14, 2024, 04:09:34 AM
Martinez
Olsen
Gauci
Kosta
Cash
Bogarde
Digne
Maatsen
Torres
Konsa
Mings
Carlos
Tielemans
Barkley
McGinn
Kamara
Onana
Rogers
Ramsey
Buendia
Bailey
Philogene
Watkins
Duran
I haven’t included Swinkels as I feel we might not have to count him, but I think Bogarde is a bit older. And I’ve included Kosta as he is not from our academy. As I say, not sure.
Post by: paul_e on December 14, 2024, 10:04:28 AM
Cut off date is always 1st Jan so for this season anyone born in 2003 or later is covered.
Kosta is fine in the league but needs to be named in Europe.
From that list only Ramsey and Philogene meet the club trained requirements so the champions league squad is full, 3 spaces for the league though.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 14, 2024, 10:41:12 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on December 14, 2024, 10:54:02 AM
Personally I'd love Bowen at us, he'd fit in perfectly imo
Yep, he'd be a perfect fit for us as he predominantly plays on the right, but can also play in the 'number 10' role if needed. Didn't he sign a long-term contract recently though, so would likely be a huge fee.
Is rather we put a Bid in for Conceição albeit he sounds like trouble
Trouble, in what way?
Those squiggles on his name, my keyboard wouldn’t cope.
Post by: Dick Edwards on December 14, 2024, 04:23:09 PM
I expect zero movement in this transfer window.Monchi was interviewed by TNT before the Leipzig game and intimated of incomings
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 14, 2024, 04:27:37 PM
I expect zero movement in this transfer window.Monchi was interviewed by TNT before the Leipzig game and intimated of incomings
Yes, he said there were possibilities.
Post by: KevinGage on December 14, 2024, 04:53:35 PM
I expect it will depend on who is available and their costs. I reckon we could probably get away with a 30-40 mil player but needs to be the right player. We should also look at the loan markets as well.
Expect it will be £10-15 mill tops - unless there is a major departure. FFP is still a thing.
Hope we're targeting
A back up goalie
A RB (or a centre half who can play RB competently
and
Either a right winger as competition for Bailey or a forward who can play across the frontline.
Who, I have no idea. Ospina as the reserve goalie, maybe. Team mate of Duran at international level.
Keylor Navas is still a free agent as well. Would expect the money goes on a defender and we do a Zaniolo-like loan deal for the forward option. Hopefully with more success than that actual deal.
Post by: Villan82 on December 14, 2024, 07:37:17 PM
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on December 14, 2024, 08:04:06 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 08:09:53 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 14, 2024, 08:30:35 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 08:33:42 PM
We spent alot of money in summer and still managed to make ourselves worse
We didn’t though.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 14, 2024, 08:38:05 PM
We spent alot of money in summer and still managed to make ourselves worse
We didn’t though.
What part do you mean we didnt spend alot or made ourselves worse?
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 08:41:01 PM
We spent alot of money in summer and still managed to make ourselves worse
We didn’t though.
What part do you mean we didnt spend alot or made ourselves worse?
We didn’t spend a lot when you look at sales going out. We’ve got more quality in squad depth than I’ve ever known, however to be the very best, we are lacking in some key positions.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 14, 2024, 08:45:13 PM
We spent alot of money in summer and still managed to make ourselves worse
We didn’t though.
What part do you mean we didnt spend alot or made ourselves worse?
We didn’t spend a lot when you look at sales going out. We’ve got more quality in squad depth than I’ve ever known, however to be the very best, we are lacking in some key positions.
I get your point but spending 50m on one player (onana) is a significant amount of money..e
30m maatsen thats 80m for those two alone. Were they key positions we needed to spend such amounts on?
I mean i like onana bit he does appear quite injury prone and i think we spent too much on him personally. Still amazes me the club stupidly didnt address the right back situation and its beggers belief we did not replace diaby either
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 09:31:29 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 14, 2024, 09:43:01 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 09:44:01 PM
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2024, 09:44:18 PM
What about lookman ? Having a good season for Leipzig
So nearly the right country.
Post by: Dave on December 14, 2024, 09:53:29 PM
Clearly wanted him in his first summer, and he's barely getting a kick for PSG these days.
Doesn't exactly have the pace that we seem to need though.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 09:58:38 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 10:14:11 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 14, 2024, 10:42:24 PM
That's our problem.. We need pace up front.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 14, 2024, 10:50:04 PM
Was highly rated and has got the profile and plays in a position(s) that should be of interest to us.
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 10:54:20 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 14, 2024, 11:04:05 PM
The way this summer went I wouldn't trust Monchi to buy a lottery ticket.
His reputation was built on finding rough diamonds for Sevilla, Dani Alves, Julio Baptista etc but that was probably 15- 20 years ago. He’s got the relationship with Unai and is probably good at other aspects (not sure what else he does?) he may have been a fore runner of excellence in scouting networks but other clubs have done the same with similar or better results since then.
I certainly expected a few more of the Morano type signing but perhaps it’s due to the fact we’ve progressed quicker than anyone expected.
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 11:07:21 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 14, 2024, 11:10:51 PM
He was an absolute disaster in Italy, wasn't he?
Thats the general consensus, I think he was only there for a season or two at the most.
Considering our financial restraints you’d think he’d have a few players that could do a job for us without breaking the bank.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 14, 2024, 11:36:48 PM
He was an absolute disaster in Italy, wasn't he?
He did unearth Robin Olsen for Roma.
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 11:43:43 PM
He was an absolute disaster in Italy, wasn't he?
He did unearth Robin Olsen for Roma.
Was he buried in the ruins?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 14, 2024, 11:53:12 PM
He was an absolute disaster in Italy, wasn't he?
He did unearth Robin Olsen for Roma.
Was he buried in the ruins?
Some of his early performances were certainly reminiscent of those figures buried at Pompeii in the aftermath of Vesuvius.
Post by: Beard82 on December 15, 2024, 12:30:10 AM
I don’t understand what you mean that perhaps it’s because we have progressed so quickly. This summer we signed Onana and Barkley who have done fine, and Jayden who’s been shit. The rest I assume are for FFP deals.The way this summer went I wouldn't trust Monchi to buy a lottery ticket.
His reputation was built on finding rough diamonds for Sevilla, Dani Alves, Julio Baptista etc but that was probably 15- 20 years ago. He’s got the relationship with Unai and is probably good at other aspects (not sure what else he does?) he may have been a fore runner of excellence in scouting networks but other clubs have done the same with similar or better results since then.
I certainly expected a few more of the Morano type signing but perhaps it’s due to the fact we’ve progressed quicker than anyone expected.
I don’t think the issue is the players we have signed - it’s more in the players we haven’t been able to
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2024, 02:37:23 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 05:56:52 AM
How much are we paying Coutinho a year? His salary freed-up could get us two decent players.
I think his loan is up in January. I doubt there’s much chance of us getting out of that one.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 06:33:59 AM
Right back and a pacey forward required.
I don’t think we need a right-back. Much simpler to pair Mings with Konsa again, then Cash is adequate. Not as good as Ashley Young was, but adequate.
Post by: Risso on December 15, 2024, 07:18:38 AM
Post by: Ian. on December 15, 2024, 07:36:33 AM
Right back and a pacey forward required.
I don’t think we need a right-back. Much simpler to pair Mings with Konsa again, then Cash is adequate. Not as good as Ashley Young was, but adequate.
I agree, Cash is a decent enough right back. I’d much rather concentrate on a wide right pacey forward to compete with Bailey.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 07:38:35 AM
Uh oh
What’s up mate? Afraid some people might not be able to understand simple facts again?
Percy: The pope’s a Catholic.
Risso: uh oh.
brontebilly : no he’s not.
Post by: Risso on December 15, 2024, 07:40:31 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 07:56:04 AM
I've met Jehovah's Witnesses less obssessed mate, it's not healthy.
You might not have noticed mate, but there are people with opposing views, and they post them. You might even be one of them - I seem to have argued with you on the subject quite a lot. Does that mean you’re obsessed?
‘Two goals a game…’
‘Two goals a game…’
‘Two goals a game…’
Yeah, we get it. Imagine if people kept replying with ‘actually, it’s one’. Welcome to my world.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 15, 2024, 08:11:08 AM
Right back and a pacey forward required.
I don’t think we need a right-back. Much simpler to pair Mings with Konsa again, then Cash is adequate. Not as good as Ashley Young was, but adequate.
I disagree. Right back in the biggest issue in the team. Cash is up and down but he has virtually no competition there. Neds young as is bogarde. I believe konsas form is suffering as he is being asked to play right back which he isnt very good at.
I said in summer we should have gone for wan bassaka he would have been ideal as defensively he is very good and wasnt too expensive
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 08:22:43 AM
Right back and a pacey forward required.
I don’t think we need a right-back. Much simpler to pair Mings with Konsa again, then Cash is adequate. Not as good as Ashley Young was, but adequate.
I disagree. Right back in the biggest issue in the team. Cash is up and down but he has virtually no competition there. Neds young as is bogarde. I believe konsas form is suffering as he is being asked to play right back which he isnt very good at.
I said in summer we should have gone for wan bassaka he would have been ideal as defensively he is very good and wasnt too expensive
So you think the Konsa/Pau partnership is not a problem? And that Konsa/Mings with Cash at right-back was bad the season before last?
Post by: Demitri_C on December 15, 2024, 08:30:09 AM
Right back and a pacey forward required.
I don’t think we need a right-back. Much simpler to pair Mings with Konsa again, then Cash is adequate. Not as good as Ashley Young was, but adequate.
I disagree. Right back in the biggest issue in the team. Cash is up and down but he has virtually no competition there. Neds young as is bogarde. I believe konsas form is suffering as he is being asked to play right back which he isnt very good at.
I said in summer we should have gone for wan bassaka he would have been ideal as defensively he is very good and wasnt too expensive
So you think the Konsa/Pau partnership is not a problem? And that Konsa/Mings with Cash at right-back was bad the season before last?
It is a problem (the konsa pau) but its a collective issue. Its clear these two simply for some reason dont play well together. We need to get rid of carlos and get a right sisded cb that will compliment pau better. Cash needs competition at right back. Its the weakest area of the side for competition
Mings and konsa is the best defensive cb pairing we have without question
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 08:33:28 AM
Right back and a pacey forward required.
I don’t think we need a right-back. Much simpler to pair Mings with Konsa again, then Cash is adequate. Not as good as Ashley Young was, but adequate.
I disagree. Right back in the biggest issue in the team. Cash is up and down but he has virtually no competition there. Neds young as is bogarde. I believe konsas form is suffering as he is being asked to play right back which he isnt very good at.
I said in summer we should have gone for wan bassaka he would have been ideal as defensively he is very good and wasnt too expensive
So you think the Konsa/Pau partnership is not a problem? And that Konsa/Mings with Cash at right-back was bad the season before last?
It is a problem (the konsa pau) but it’s a collective issue. It’s clear these two simply for some reason dont play well together.
We might be getting somewhere at long, long last.
Post by: ozzjim on December 15, 2024, 09:10:59 AM
Beyond that, any competent centre back that isn't Diego Carlos please. Any. Just a body. I'd take Carl Tiler over Carlos. Liability.
And for the love of god please get a right winger Villa. Just do it. We'd be 6-8 points better off right now had we done it in the summer.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 15, 2024, 09:44:20 AM
It means a tweak of tactics but could be worth it considering how cheap both the players are available.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 10:07:28 AM
We need a right back. To suggest we don't is bonkers, not in any way because Cash isn't good enough (he's not) but because he's made of glass and can't play 3 games a week. As such a better version with Cash as backup would be much better.
Beyond that, any competent centre back that isn't Diego Carlos please. Any. Just a body. I'd take Carl Tiler over Carlos. Liability.
And for the love of god please get a right winger Villa. Just do it. We'd be 6-8 points better off right now had we done it in the summer.
Another one who can’t count.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 15, 2024, 10:35:27 AM
I don’t understand what you mean that perhaps it’s because we have progressed so quickly. This summer we signed Onana and Barkley who have done fine, and Jayden who’s been shit. The rest I assume are for FFP deals.The way this summer went I wouldn't trust Monchi to buy a lottery ticket.
His reputation was built on finding rough diamonds for Sevilla, Dani Alves, Julio Baptista etc but that was probably 15- 20 years ago. He’s got the relationship with Unai and is probably good at other aspects (not sure what else he does?) he may have been a fore runner of excellence in scouting networks but other clubs have done the same with similar or better results since then.
I certainly expected a few more of the Morano type signing but perhaps it’s due to the fact we’ve progressed quicker than anyone expected.
I don’t think the issue is the players we have signed - it’s more in the players we haven’t been able to
The theory being that the higher up the league you are the better quality player you need to improve you so the pool gets smaller or you have to pay bigger money to get them. We wanted Felix, who we hoped would improve us, he went somewhere else. Just strange that there was no backup to that deal.
Against this is the fact that Unai has managed to improve virtually every player who was previously thought to be no good, yet Monchi or the back room staff couldn’t get a decent back up or competition to improve the right hand side of the team. They must have believed that Cash, Konsa JP and to a lesser extent Kosta would have been enough. Injuries and form, throw in Bailey being half the player as well has led us to be inadequate down that side of the pitch.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 15, 2024, 11:06:43 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on December 15, 2024, 12:52:48 PM
In order of priority....
RB - Digne level quality but with a right foot (*Cash reverts to our backup RB so that we NEVER have to play Ezri there again).
RCB - Quality Backup/improvement for Ezri if he gets injured. Diego Carlos needs to be put out to pasture.
RW - Competition for Bailey. When he isn't doing it/injured, we have no other option.
LW - Are we EVER going to see a fully fit Jacob Ramsey again? Great player, but what's the point if he's never on the pitch
Fuck FFP - Take any resultant hit on a points deduction. We'll accrue more points WITH these players and the points deduction than without, and will give us the step up in quality we need to progress in the coming seasons.
Post by: ozzjim on December 15, 2024, 01:33:25 PM
We need a right back. To suggest we don't is bonkers, not in any way because Cash isn't good enough (he's not) but because he's made of glass and can't play 3 games a week. As such a better version with Cash as backup would be much better.
Beyond that, any competent centre back that isn't Diego Carlos please. Any. Just a body. I'd take Carl Tiler over Carlos. Liability.
And for the love of god please get a right winger Villa. Just do it. We'd be 6-8 points better off right now had we done it in the summer.
Another one who can’t count.
What a joyfully condescending response to a post. Please do tell me the error or my ways?
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 15, 2024, 01:43:42 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 01:59:20 PM
We need a right back. To suggest we don't is bonkers, not in any way because Cash isn't good enough (he's not) but because he's made of glass and can't play 3 games a week. As such a better version with Cash as backup would be much better.
Beyond that, any competent centre back that isn't Diego Carlos please. Any. Just a body. I'd take Carl Tiler over Carlos. Liability.
And for the love of god please get a right winger Villa. Just do it. We'd be 6-8 points better off right now had we done it in the summer.
Another one who can’t count.
What a joyfully condescending response to a post. Please do tell me the error or my ways?
Really?
We concede less goals and keep more clean sheets when Konsa/Carlos/Pau + a left back play, than when Konsa/Pau are flanked by traditional full-backs.
I presume you’d like us to concede less goals and keep more clean sheets right?
Post by: pelty on December 15, 2024, 02:03:42 PM
We need a right back. To suggest we don't is bonkers, not in any way because Cash isn't good enough (he's not) but because he's made of glass and can't play 3 games a week. As such a better version with Cash as backup would be much better.
Beyond that, any competent centre back that isn't Diego Carlos please. Any. Just a body. I'd take Carl Tiler over Carlos. Liability.
And for the love of god please get a right winger Villa. Just do it. We'd be 6-8 points better off right now had we done it in the summer.
Another one who can’t count.
What a joyfully condescending response to a post. Please do tell me the error or my ways?
Really?
We concede less goals and keep more clean sheets when Konsa/Carlos/Pau + a left back play, than when Konsa/Pau are flanked by traditional full-backs.
I presume you’d like us to concede less goals and keep more clean sheets right?
So let’s drop Pau, who is a liability, and restore the Mings/Konsa partnership that was so successful. Easy peasy.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 15, 2024, 02:05:26 PM
Gets my vote.We need a right back. To suggest we don't is bonkers, not in any way because Cash isn't good enough (he's not) but because he's made of glass and can't play 3 games a week. As such a better version with Cash as backup would be much better.
Beyond that, any competent centre back that isn't Diego Carlos please. Any. Just a body. I'd take Carl Tiler over Carlos. Liability.
And for the love of god please get a right winger Villa. Just do it. We'd be 6-8 points better off right now had we done it in the summer.
Another one who can’t count.
What a joyfully condescending response to a post. Please do tell me the error or my ways?
Really?
We concede less goals and keep more clean sheets when Konsa/Carlos/Pau + a left back play, than when Konsa/Pau are flanked by traditional full-backs.
I presume you’d like us to concede less goals and keep more clean sheets right?
So let’s drop Pau, who is a liability, and restore the Mings/Konsa partnership that was so successful. Easy peasy.
+ buy a good right back.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 02:13:45 PM
Uh oh.
I know. If people could just start their posts on this subject with something like “I know that the Carlos/Pau partnership out-performs the most important defensive metrics of the players I prefer, but I’d rather have less clean sheets because…’ it would save me having to keep posting it, assuming that they didn’t know.
Because I have to assume they don’t know, because I can’t get my head around why they would actually prefer a less efficient defence.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 02:25:21 PM
Gets my vote.We need a right back. To suggest we don't is bonkers, not in any way because Cash isn't good enough (he's not) but because he's made of glass and can't play 3 games a week. As such a better version with Cash as backup would be much better.
Beyond that, any competent centre back that isn't Diego Carlos please. Any. Just a body. I'd take Carl Tiler over Carlos. Liability.
And for the love of god please get a right winger Villa. Just do it. We'd be 6-8 points better off right now had we done it in the summer.
Another one who can’t count.
What a joyfully condescending response to a post. Please do tell me the error or my ways?
Really?
We concede less goals and keep more clean sheets when Konsa/Carlos/Pau + a left back play, than when Konsa/Pau are flanked by traditional full-backs.
I presume you’d like us to concede less goals and keep more clean sheets right?
So let’s drop Pau, who is a liability, and restore the Mings/Konsa partnership that was so successful. Easy peasy.
+ buy a good right back.
Mine too.
Or buy a more suitable partner for Pau than either Konsa OR Carlos, if you like the way Pau adds to our progression, which I do.
My admittedly repetitive thoughts on this have always been predicated on the defenders we have had fit and available and which combination of them gets the best results. It doesn’t necessarily mean I think any of them are any good.
But the clean sheets etc is a simple matter of fact.
Post by: pelty on December 15, 2024, 02:26:24 PM
Uh oh.
I know. If people could just start their posts on this subject with something like “I know that the Carlos/Pau partnership out-performs the most important defensive metrics of the players I prefer, but I’d rather have less clean sheets because…’ it would save me having to keep posting it, assuming that they didn’t know.
Because I have to assume they don’t know, because I can’t get my head around why they would actually prefer a less efficient defence.
From the beginning of January ‘22, Villa played 22 games and kept clean sheets in 11. Subsequent to the loss to Arsenal in February, Villa did not allow more than 1 goal per game. I have not gone back to see if Mings/Konsa was the pairing in every game, but it was the vast majority. A 50% clean sheet record is better than that of Pau/Carlos and I have not tallied the goals per game, but I would imagine that that of the former pairing is lower than the latter. I take your point that it is more than just the CB pairing that leads to clean sheets, but it is not an insignificant factor either. If you have already addressed this, apologies for missing it.
Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2024, 02:26:52 PM
Yes we need wingers, but lets shut up shop first. Solid defence is the key to success.
In order of priority....
RB - Digne level quality but with a right foot (*Cash reverts to our backup RB so that we NEVER have to play Ezri there again).
RCB - Quality Backup/improvement for Ezri if he gets injured. Diego Carlos needs to be put out to pasture.
RW - Competition for Bailey. When he isn't doing it/injured, we have no other option.
LW - Are we EVER going to see a fully fit Jacob Ramsey again? Great player, but what's the point if he's never on the pitch
Fuck FFP - Take any resultant hit on a points deduction. We'll accrue more points WITH these players and the points deduction than without, and will give us the step up in quality we need to progress in the coming seasons.
Tried everything to get Carlos out in the summer and bring in Gerrtruida so it's not as if Emery didn't/doesn't recognise RB/RCB is an area we need to strengthen. Going to be harder to move him on as his contract runs down. It's disappointing that neither JP or KN are good enough right now to make the step up and likely will leave on loan in Jan. Little impact from Buendia, Mings and Ramsey this season so far too, Buendia will move in Jan I think.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 02:29:04 PM
Uh oh.
I know. If people could just start their posts on this subject with something like “I know that the Carlos/Pau partnership out-performs the most important defensive metrics of the players I prefer, but I’d rather have less clean sheets because…’ it would save me having to keep posting it, assuming that they didn’t know.
Because I have to assume they don’t know, because I can’t get my head around why they would actually prefer a less efficient defence.
From the beginning of January ‘22, Villa played 22 games and kept clean sheets in 11. Subsequent to the loss to Arsenal in February, Villa did not allow more than 1 goal per game. I have not gone back to see if Mings/Konsa was the pairing in every game, but it was the vast majority. A 50% clean sheet record is better than that of Pau/Carlos and I have not tallied the goals per game, but I would imagine that that of the former pairing is lower than the latter. I take your point that it is more than just the CB pairing that leads to clean sheets, but it is not an insignificant factor either. If you have already addressed this, apologies for missing it.
You don’t need to convince me about Mings/Konsa mate.
8 goals conceded in the last 15 games of 22/23, including a run of 3 in 10 games, 7 clean sheets.
Football heaven.
Post by: pelty on December 15, 2024, 02:32:14 PM
Uh oh.
I know. If people could just start their posts on this subject with something like “I know that the Carlos/Pau partnership out-performs the most important defensive metrics of the players I prefer, but I’d rather have less clean sheets because…’ it would save me having to keep posting it, assuming that they didn’t know.
Because I have to assume they don’t know, because I can’t get my head around why they would actually prefer a less efficient defence.
From the beginning of January ‘22, Villa played 22 games and kept clean sheets in 11. Subsequent to the loss to Arsenal in February, Villa did not allow more than 1 goal per game. I have not gone back to see if Mings/Konsa was the pairing in every game, but it was the vast majority. A 50% clean sheet record is better than that of Pau/Carlos and I have not tallied the goals per game, but I would imagine that that of the former pairing is lower than the latter. I take your point that it is more than just the CB pairing that leads to clean sheets, but it is not an insignificant factor either. If you have already addressed this, apologies for missing it.
You don’t need to convince me about Mings/Konsa mate.
8 goals conceded in the last 15 games of 22/23, including a run of 3 in 10 games, 7 clean sheets.
Football heaven.
Sorry! I thought the response to “Uh oh” was pointed at my desire to replace Pau/Carlos with Mings/Konsa. You are right; it was beautiful to watch the team in that period!
Post by: Dave on December 15, 2024, 02:33:52 PM
...it would save me having to keep posting it, assuming that they didn’t know.
On the other hand, there are probably nomadic tribes on the plains of Mongolia who have never experienced electricity before who are fully aware of your feelings on the subject.
So I'd say that you "having to keep posting it" is at the very least debatable.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 02:37:56 PM
...it would save me having to keep posting it, assuming that they didn’t know.
On the other hand, there are probably nomadic tribes on the plains of Mongolia who have never experienced electricity before who are fully aware of your feelings on the subject.
So I'd say that you "having to keep posting it" is at the very least debatable.
I’m fighting madness with madness.
Besides, I’ve been at work. What else would I do?
Post by: Beard82 on December 15, 2024, 02:41:52 PM
Whilst you are clearly factually correct in your counting - correlation and causation arent the same thing.
Firstly - for most of last season that was our back 4. For much of last season we were brilliant, and it could easily be argued if the back 4 had been different in those games we would still have got the same results. I wont go into more details, as i assume its all tongue in cheek. Also - I think with Mings unavailable, the back 4 we played yesterday is the least bad we have.
Post by: andyh on December 15, 2024, 02:45:39 PM
Why we were not in for the easily gettable Wan Bissaka still irks me.
Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2024, 02:54:19 PM
We desperately need a quality right back.
Why we were not in for the easily gettable Wan Bissaka still irks me.
He's crap, that's why. As bad as Konsa on the ball.
Post by: itbrvilla on December 15, 2024, 06:33:14 PM
Bailey is off it. Diaby's pace has gone. Ramsey is injured.Recruitment has been very questionable IMO. Regardless of PSR.
That's our problem.. We need pace up front.
Post by: Drummond on December 15, 2024, 08:32:45 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 08:35:54 PM
Yes we need wingers, but lets shut up shop first. Solid defence is the key to success.
In order of priority....
RB - Digne level quality but with a right foot (*Cash reverts to our backup RB so that we NEVER have to play Ezri there again).
RCB - Quality Backup/improvement for Ezri if he gets injured. Diego Carlos needs to be put out to pasture.
RW - Competition for Bailey. When he isn't doing it/injured, we have no other option.
LW - Are we EVER going to see a fully fit Jacob Ramsey again? Great player, but what's the point if he's never on the pitch
Fuck FFP - Take any resultant hit on a points deduction. We'll accrue more points WITH these players and the points deduction than without, and will give us the step up in quality we need to progress in the coming seasons.
Tried everything to get Carlos out in the summer and bring in Gerrtruida so it's not as if Emery didn't/doesn't recognise RB/RCB is an area we need to strengthen.
Tried everything but accept what they considered too low an offer. Same as Duran.
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
Post by: AV84 on December 15, 2024, 08:52:43 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2024, 09:02:05 PM
Yes we need wingers, but lets shut up shop first. Solid defence is the key to success.
In order of priority....
RB - Digne level quality but with a right foot (*Cash reverts to our backup RB so that we NEVER have to play Ezri there again).
RCB - Quality Backup/improvement for Ezri if he gets injured. Diego Carlos needs to be put out to pasture.
RW - Competition for Bailey. When he isn't doing it/injured, we have no other option.
LW - Are we EVER going to see a fully fit Jacob Ramsey again? Great player, but what's the point if he's never on the pitch
Fuck FFP - Take any resultant hit on a points deduction. We'll accrue more points WITH these players and the points deduction than without, and will give us the step up in quality we need to progress in the coming seasons.
Tried everything to get Carlos out in the summer and bring in Gerrtruida so it's not as if Emery didn't/doesn't recognise RB/RCB is an area we need to strengthen.
Tried everything but accept what they considered too low an offer. Same as Duran.
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
And the other five podcasts?
Post by: Drummond on December 15, 2024, 11:12:11 PM
What about this Dibling kid at Southampton. Worth a punt?
We've been linked. Him and Pereira are the two that keep coming up.
Post by: ROBBO on December 16, 2024, 04:13:38 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 16, 2024, 06:56:08 AM
Yes we need wingers, but lets shut up shop first. Solid defence is the key to success.
In order of priority....
RB - Digne level quality but with a right foot (*Cash reverts to our backup RB so that we NEVER have to play Ezri there again).
RCB - Quality Backup/improvement for Ezri if he gets injured. Diego Carlos needs to be put out to pasture.
RW - Competition for Bailey. When he isn't doing it/injured, we have no other option.
LW - Are we EVER going to see a fully fit Jacob Ramsey again? Great player, but what's the point if he's never on the pitch
Fuck FFP - Take any resultant hit on a points deduction. We'll accrue more points WITH these players and the points deduction than without, and will give us the step up in quality we need to progress in the coming seasons.
Tried everything to get Carlos out in the summer and bring in Gerrtruida so it's not as if Emery didn't/doesn't recognise RB/RCB is an area we need to strengthen.
Tried everything but accept what they considered too low an offer. Same as Duran.
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
And the other five podcasts?
I listen to more than that mate. I like to base my opinions on as much information as possible to avoid agreeing with clueless folk who watch football yet don’t understand what they’re looking at, or give ridiculous player ratings in order to attract attention.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 16, 2024, 09:28:40 AM
We are fortunate that the competition is fairly even compered to ohter seasons. We are still in touch after some very ordinary performances, it all comes down to whether we can add a couple of decent players in January.If that our only hope then I think we are buggered, getting 2 in that will settle and significantly impact the way things are going is a big ask.i think we have allready tried to change too much to quickly. A RB yes if possible but I believe we need to look at the set up and the way we are playing starting with defence.
Post by: brontebilly on December 16, 2024, 10:27:14 AM
Yes we need wingers, but lets shut up shop first. Solid defence is the key to success.
In order of priority....
RB - Digne level quality but with a right foot (*Cash reverts to our backup RB so that we NEVER have to play Ezri there again).
RCB - Quality Backup/improvement for Ezri if he gets injured. Diego Carlos needs to be put out to pasture.
RW - Competition for Bailey. When he isn't doing it/injured, we have no other option.
LW - Are we EVER going to see a fully fit Jacob Ramsey again? Great player, but what's the point if he's never on the pitch
Fuck FFP - Take any resultant hit on a points deduction. We'll accrue more points WITH these players and the points deduction than without, and will give us the step up in quality we need to progress in the coming seasons.
Tried everything to get Carlos out in the summer and bring in Gerrtruida so it's not as if Emery didn't/doesn't recognise RB/RCB is an area we need to strengthen.
Tried everything but accept what they considered too low an offer. Same as Duran.
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
And the other five podcasts?
I listen to more than that mate. I like to base my opinions on as much information as possible to avoid agreeing with clueless folk who watch football yet don’t understand what they’re looking at, or give ridiculous player ratings in order to attract attention.
Good for you pal 👍
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2024, 10:36:52 AM
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
I still think people are going to be disappointed in the right-back quest. Madrid and Man City definitely need new ones as a priority, so if the shiny expensive ones that we might like are going there, other clubs who have just lost their shiny expensive right-back are going to need replacements.
Reckon we might find ourselves quite far back in the queue.
Post by: ozzjim on December 16, 2024, 11:09:03 AM
...it would save me having to keep posting it, assuming that they didn’t know.
On the other hand, there are probably nomadic tribes on the plains of Mongolia who have never experienced electricity before who are fully aware of your feelings on the subject.
So I'd say that you "having to keep posting it" is at the very least debatable.
Or indeed be quite so condescending about it. Who was at right back when we had such a good run of clean sheets with Konsa and Mings in the middle?
There is no world where Carlos in a standard premier league game has the concentration to be effective. This is proven time and again with the idiotic balls he plays out to opponents that result with the ball in our net. A defensive minded, good quality right back improves our defence overnight with Konsa centrally not Carlos. The other huge reason for that run was the organisation of Mings. It was clear against Brentford after 2 minutes that he's the voice at the back and Konsa needs him. In the next 2 windows a player on the right side of the defence that has a bit of leadership would be very handy.
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2024, 11:48:11 AM
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
I still think people are going to be disappointed in the right-back quest. Madrid and Man City definitely need new ones as a priority, so if the shiny expensive ones that we might like are going there, other clubs who have just lost their shiny expensive right-back are going to need replacements.
Reckon we might find ourselves quite far back in the queue.
That's where our recruitment department need to earn their money and find one that isn't shiny but can become shiny for us.
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2024, 11:49:29 AM
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
I still think people are going to be disappointed in the right-back quest. Madrid and Man City definitely need new ones as a priority, so if the shiny expensive ones that we might like are going there, other clubs who have just lost their shiny expensive right-back are going to need replacements.
Reckon we might find ourselves quite far back in the queue.
That's where our recruitment department need to earn their money and find one that isn't shiny but can become shiny for us.
I expect they'd argue that they did precisely that last January.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 16, 2024, 11:50:31 AM
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
I still think people are going to be disappointed in the right-back quest. Madrid and Man City definitely need new ones as a priority, so if the shiny expensive ones that we might like are going there, other clubs who have just lost their shiny expensive right-back are going to need replacements.
Reckon we might find ourselves quite far back in the queue.
Would we be in for the same calibre of players as Man City and Real Madrid? I don’t think we’ll be competing for “Trent’s” signature.
I’d like to think we’ve already got some targets lined up.
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2024, 12:08:26 PM
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
I still think people are going to be disappointed in the right-back quest. Madrid and Man City definitely need new ones as a priority, so if the shiny expensive ones that we might like are going there, other clubs who have just lost their shiny expensive right-back are going to need replacements.
Reckon we might find ourselves quite far back in the queue.
Would we be in for the same calibre of players as Man City and Real Madrid? I don’t think we’ll be competing for “Trent’s” signature.
I’d like to think we’ve already got some targets lined up.
Well, Frimpong and Dumfries tend to be the names that come up most often in the "why don't we just go and sign that really good right-back?" conversations.
So if we were to accept that they're either off to Real / Man City or are replacing the likes of Alexander-Arnold when he goes to Real, who are we looking at?
I appreciate it's not exactly scientific, but if you look at Transfermarkt's assessement of the most valuable right-backs (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler-statistik/wertvollstespieler/marktwertetop/mw/spielerposition_id/5), you've got the above, White, Kounde, Hakimi.
I'm guessing that Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea aren't selling us Gusto / Livramento / Porro. Geertruida has been and gone. Tomiyasu or Mazrouai from Arsenal or Man Utd's reserves?
Then it's Cash himself on the list.
So we're either buying an unknown to try and turn him into the the next shit-hot right-back - but that's what we did with Nedeljković and consensus seems to be that he's not ready. But just doing that again doesn't fix the immediate problem (if one believes there to be a problem to fix)
So it doesn't leave us huge amounts of obvious upgrades.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 16, 2024, 12:34:00 PM
It’s a position that needs strengthening but there wouldn’t be many thinking we’re going to get one of the elite players on that list.
I mean would people be happy with Walker Peters on a free or a Sacha Boey who’s been injured but not playing much at Bayern. There’s got to be some players out there that can improve us and won’t cost the earth, how much was Munoz for Palace for instance?
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2024, 12:50:52 PM
And I think that sort of thing *is* where we'll end up. I just don't think people will be all that pleased with it though, given any upgrade on Cash is (on the face of it) likely to be negligible.
One other name - Juan Foyth is out of contract the summer after, so I wonder if given his previous with Emery he might be a not-too-expensive option. Not exactly the pacey, marauding attacker that people seem to want there though.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 16, 2024, 12:55:07 PM
Post by: OCD on December 16, 2024, 01:00:50 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 16, 2024, 01:04:57 PM
What people want more than a marauding attacking right back is a winning team that at least looks capable of keeping a clean sheet. If having a solid defender at right back, who isn't at fault for many goals we concede, is what it takes then so be it.Same, a competent Right Back at this level is what we need.
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2024, 01:11:13 PM
What people want more than a marauding attacking right back is a winning team that at least looks capable of keeping a clean sheet. If having a solid defender at right back, who isn't at fault for many goals we concede, is what it takes then so be it.
Lots of people get very upset when Konsa is played there, as they don't think his solidity makes up for his lack of ability going forward.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 16, 2024, 01:16:29 PM
It would give us the option to Konsa to play Centre Half even when we decide we want to be more solid on the right.What people want more than a marauding attacking right back is a winning team that at least looks capable of keeping a clean sheet. If having a solid defender at right back, who isn't at fault for many goals we concede, is what it takes then so be it.
Lots of people get very upset when Konsa is played there, as they don't think his solidity makes up for his lack of ability going forward.
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2024, 01:24:44 PM
It would give us the option to Konsa to play Centre Half even when we decide we want to be more solid on the right.What people want more than a marauding attacking right back is a winning team that at least looks capable of keeping a clean sheet. If having a solid defender at right back, who isn't at fault for many goals we concede, is what it takes then so be it.
Lots of people get very upset when Konsa is played there, as they don't think his solidity makes up for his lack of ability going forward.
Wouldn't an easier solution then (assuming we plan to upgrade Carlos anyway) be to buy a new, commanding right-sided centre-back?
Much more of them around than right-backs.
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2024, 01:57:35 PM
It would give us the option to Konsa to play Centre Half even when we decide we want to be more solid on the right.What people want more than a marauding attacking right back is a winning team that at least looks capable of keeping a clean sheet. If having a solid defender at right back, who isn't at fault for many goals we concede, is what it takes then so be it.
Lots of people get very upset when Konsa is played there, as they don't think his solidity makes up for his lack of ability going forward.
Wouldn't an easier solution then (assuming we plan to upgrade Carlos anyway) be to buy a new, commanding right-sided centre-back?
Much more of them around than right-backs.
Or just change formation. Play 3 at the back and use Philogene as a wing back.....
Post by: ozzjim on December 16, 2024, 02:04:41 PM
It would give us the option to Konsa to play Centre Half even when we decide we want to be more solid on the right.What people want more than a marauding attacking right back is a winning team that at least looks capable of keeping a clean sheet. If having a solid defender at right back, who isn't at fault for many goals we concede, is what it takes then so be it.
Lots of people get very upset when Konsa is played there, as they don't think his solidity makes up for his lack of ability going forward.
Wouldn't an easier solution then (assuming we plan to upgrade Carlos anyway) be to buy a new, commanding right-sided centre-back?
Much more of them around than right-backs.
Pretty sure that's the right answer at the moment. A leader in that role, letting Carlos go to whoever will have him. Geuhi
Post by: AV84 on December 16, 2024, 02:24:49 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2024, 02:54:15 PM
By Ewan Ross-Murray
Dec 15, 2024
Nicolas Jackson has admitted that he almost joined Aston Villa before his move to Chelsea in 2023.
The Senegal international moved to west London after Chelsea splashed £32m on the former Villarreal forward. After a difficult first season in England, Jackson has found his feet in 2024/25.
The speedy centre-forward has scored eight times and provided a further three assists in 14 Premier League outings and has blossomed into a deadly finisher despite struggling with profligacy in his debut campaign with the Blues.
However, Jackson has revealed that his career could have gone in a completely different direction.
The 23-year-old first made a name for himself at Villarreal in 2022/23 under now Aston Villa manager Unai Emery and the Spanish coach was keen to bring Jackson to Villa Park during the 2023 January transfer window. However, a move broke down due to a hamstring injury the striker was suffering with at the time.
"When Unai left, he wanted me to go to Aston Villa, but I was injured," Jackson admitted. "I wanted to leave because the coach came in. I had to go, but I was injured a little bit in my hamstring. We went there, they checked and said I needed one more month and they want me now.
"If they want me in one week, two weeks, I was not ready, so they had to cancel the transfer, and I went back.
"When I went back, I was very angry. Not angry I didn't sign because when we were on the plane, I told my friend, 'Don't worry, better things will come and that's life.' Then I started working more to play with Villarreal. When I came back, I think I scored 12 goals in two months."
A £21m move to Bournemouth had also been agreed during that January window but his hamstring injury resulted in Jackson failing the medical on the south coast.
In the end, the forward didn't have to wait long before securing his move to the Premier League, with Chelsea signing him in the subsequent summer window.
Despite being much-maligned during his first campaign with Chelsea, Jackson still finished the season with 17 goals in 44 appearances, and the young forward looks likely to better that tally this term
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2024, 03:02:06 PM
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
I still think people are going to be disappointed in the right-back quest. Madrid and Man City definitely need new ones as a priority, so if the shiny expensive ones that we might like are going there, other clubs who have just lost their shiny expensive right-back are going to need replacements.
Reckon we might find ourselves quite far back in the queue.
Would we be in for the same calibre of players as Man City and Real Madrid? I don’t think we’ll be competing for “Trent’s” signature.
I’d like to think we’ve already got some targets lined up.
Well, Frimpong and Dumfries tend to be the names that come up most often in the "why don't we just go and sign that really good right-back?" conversations.
So if we were to accept that they're either off to Real / Man City or are replacing the likes of Alexander-Arnold when he goes to Real, who are we looking at?
I appreciate it's not exactly scientific, but if you look at Transfermarkt's assessement of the most valuable right-backs (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/spieler-statistik/wertvollstespieler/marktwertetop/mw/spielerposition_id/5), you've got the above, White, Kounde, Hakimi.
I'm guessing that Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea aren't selling us Gusto / Livramento / Porro. Geertruida has been and gone. Tomiyasu or Mazrouai from Arsenal or Man Utd's reserves?
Then it's Cash himself on the list.
So we're either buying an unknown to try and turn him into the the next shit-hot right-back - but that's what we did with Nedeljković and consensus seems to be that he's not ready. But just doing that again doesn't fix the immediate problem (if one believes there to be a problem to fix)
So it doesn't leave us huge amounts of obvious upgrades.
They have Cash 15th on that list. Which, like you say, is the conundrum. I don't think he's the issue people make out, I maintain it's the cover (or lack of) in front.
Emery has tried Konsa and Cash in the last couple of games, and it worked very well in one game, and less so in the next. But it could be worth persevering with.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on December 16, 2024, 03:18:26 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 16, 2024, 03:19:09 PM
Unable to get a right-back due to PSR according to Monchi and Vidigany, and still a priority according to Jacob Tanswell, Villa correspondent for The Athletic. So it’s not like they don’t realise that Cash is a weak link.
I still think people are going to be disappointed in the right-back quest. Madrid and Man City definitely need new ones as a priority, so if the shiny expensive ones that we might like are going there, other clubs who have just lost their shiny expensive right-back are going to need replacements.
Reckon we might find ourselves quite far back in the queue.
That's where our recruitment department need to earn their money and find one that isn't shiny but can become shiny for us.
That's what KN is meant to be surely. Certainly scouted him for long enough and already looks to have one foot back out the door in January. On the evidence of his horror cameo in Leipzig you can see why. We couldn't really afford this season to have KN and JP so far off the pace given how light the squad is.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 16, 2024, 03:31:43 PM
It would give us the option to Konsa to play Centre Half even when we decide we want to be more solid on the right.What people want more than a marauding attacking right back is a winning team that at least looks capable of keeping a clean sheet. If having a solid defender at right back, who isn't at fault for many goals we concede, is what it takes then so be it.
Lots of people get very upset when Konsa is played there, as they don't think his solidity makes up for his lack of ability going forward.
Wouldn't an easier solution then (assuming we plan to upgrade Carlos anyway) be to buy a new, commanding right-sided centre-back?
Much more of them around than right-backs.
Indeed. Konsa and Pau is a tried and failed partnership sadly.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 16, 2024, 03:40:18 PM
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2024, 03:49:57 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2024, 03:52:27 PM
Desperate transfer bid because then there's another stick to beat people with and to moan about.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 16, 2024, 05:32:39 PM
Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 16, 2024, 06:51:28 PM
Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
PSR - people keep on ignoring this like it has gone away, when it clearly has not.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 16, 2024, 06:52:40 PM
Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
I’d be amazed if we can find two affordable upgrades in the January window.
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2024, 06:57:35 PM
Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
PSR - people keep on ignoring this like it has gone away, when it clearly has not.
And why stop there? Maybe add a couple of extra strikers, three or four midfielders and a spare goalkeeper to the list as well.
Just rip it all up and start again.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 16, 2024, 07:16:22 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 16, 2024, 07:26:36 PM
I'd sell Philogene for £300 million and we can go from there. Pretty straightforward.
Chelsea should sell us their 4th choice keeper for 30m and in return, we sell them the Black Country for about the same, and thus book all the profit in year one, hey presto, instant spending room.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 16, 2024, 09:04:38 PM
Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
PSR - people keep on ignoring this like it has gone away, when it clearly has not.
And why stop there? Maybe add a couple of extra strikers, three or four midfielders and a spare goalkeeper to the list as well.
Just rip it all up and start again.
Or just stick to the two like the post suggested? Not sure why you have to go so extreme on the point its abit childish really. You expect better from a moderator but whatever floats your boat.
Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
PSR - people keep on ignoring this like it has gone away, when it clearly has not.
Ways around it. Maybe can get a loan and one other player maybe. I mean we found rogers for peanuts for example.
Do we actually know what our PSR position is?
Post by: Clampy on December 16, 2024, 09:08:39 PM
Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
PSR - people keep on ignoring this like it has gone away, when it clearly has not.
And why stop there? Maybe add a couple of extra strikers, three or four midfielders and a spare goalkeeper to the list as well.
Just rip it all up and start again.
Or just stick to the two like the post suggested? Not sure why you have to go so extreme on the point its abit childish really. You expect better from a moderator but whatever floats your boat.Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
PSR - people keep on ignoring this like it has gone away, when it clearly has not.
Ways around it. Maybe can get a loan and one other player maybe. I mean we found rogers for peanuts for example.
Do we actually know what our PSR position is?
It was you who said that you'd happily flog the whole back four in the summer. Why be so extreme indeed.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 16, 2024, 09:11:04 PM
Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
PSR - people keep on ignoring this like it has gone away, when it clearly has not.
And why stop there? Maybe add a couple of extra strikers, three or four midfielders and a spare goalkeeper to the list as well.
Just rip it all up and start again.
Or just stick to the two like the post suggested? Not sure why you have to go so extreme on the point its abit childish really. You expect better from a moderator but whatever floats your boat.Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
PSR - people keep on ignoring this like it has gone away, when it clearly has not.
Ways around it. Maybe can get a loan and one other player maybe. I mean we found rogers for peanuts for example.
Do we actually know what our PSR position is?
We paid 10m for Rogers. That's not peanuts. In the summer, had we not just about sold Luiz in time, we'd have been fucked - Vidagany's words.
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2024, 09:13:26 PM
Both what?
Get a rcb and a right back
PSR - people keep on ignoring this like it has gone away, when it clearly has not.
And why stop there? Maybe add a couple of extra strikers, three or four midfielders and a spare goalkeeper to the list as well.
Just rip it all up and start again.
Or just stick to the two like the post suggested? Not sure why you have to go so extreme on the point its abit childish really. You expect better from a moderator but whatever floats your boat.
You really shouldn't.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 16, 2024, 09:18:15 PM
Anyway back on subject
Hoping for one permanent and a loan come January that wont break bank but as ive said previously we dont do big business in January so i think thats probably best we can go for.
The carew and young window was probably my favourite January window
Post by: Clampy on December 16, 2024, 09:27:22 PM
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2024, 10:44:46 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 16, 2024, 10:50:28 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 16, 2024, 10:50:58 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 16, 2024, 10:52:36 PM
Could Emery get a tune out of Marcus Rashford?
Hugely depends on how he reacts to being given the boot from Man Utd. He seemed a very level headed guy a couple of years ago. If it serves as a wakeup call, I'm sure Emery could work his magic. For the money involved though, not sure it's a risk we need to be taking.
Edit - will be interesting to see if they can actually shift him. They've been offloading Maguire for several windows now.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 16, 2024, 11:12:21 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 16, 2024, 11:14:27 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 16, 2024, 11:18:02 PM
I’d take Garnacho off their hands.
I wouldn't.
He can get fucked, with his stupid Bond villain face.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 16, 2024, 11:18:22 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 16, 2024, 11:22:58 PM
I’d take Garnacho off their hands.
I wouldn't.
He can get fucked, with his stupid Bond villain face.
Oh yeah, don’t get me wrong, he looks like a weasel that you’d repeatedly want to punch in the face but he’s a good player, in a position that we need.
Have a word Big Emi.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 16, 2024, 11:24:32 PM
He's an absolute cheating shit. Yes, please.
We need more players that opposition fans hate, we’ve only got Emi and he’s gone off the boil in that regard lately.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 16, 2024, 11:28:27 PM
* yes, yes, yes, I know, but that's the term used in Viz during the late 1980s when the character first appeared.
Post by: ozzjim on December 16, 2024, 11:35:06 PM
Monchi needs to find a 20 year old version.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 16, 2024, 11:38:33 PM
Post by: LukeJames on December 17, 2024, 02:39:04 AM
There is a compilation of Grealish on twitter. What I'd give for a player like him in our forward line right now. Insane how much he's declined.
Monchi needs to find a 20 year old version.
That's pretty much that kid from Southampton.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 17, 2024, 06:26:30 AM
Post by: ozzjim on December 17, 2024, 06:53:20 AM
Post by: Ian. on December 17, 2024, 06:55:25 AM
Post by: Mister E on December 17, 2024, 07:21:11 AM
isn't this potentially Broggio?There is a compilation of Grealish on twitter. What I'd give for a player like him in our forward line right now. Insane how much he's declined.That's pretty much that kid from Southampton.
Monchi needs to find a 20 year old version.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 17, 2024, 07:42:19 AM
Bowen is wasted at West Ham, but I can’t see them selling half way through a season, or the small matter of the rules which seem to be holding us back.I reckon he'll be replacing Salah at Liverpool in the summer.
He's a very good player.
Post by: Beard82 on December 17, 2024, 08:10:32 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 17, 2024, 08:11:36 AM
What about rashford on a loan to buy - can play a number of positions across the front and is quick
He’s on 400k a week, has been shit for ages and is unprofessional.
It’s a no from me.
Post by: Beard82 on December 17, 2024, 08:15:14 AM
He’s on how much!!! He must be one of the few people that could afford one of our GA+ season ticketsWhat about rashford on a loan to buy - can play a number of positions across the front and is quick
He’s on 400k a week, has been shit for ages and is unprofessional.
It’s a no from me.
Post by: ozzjim on December 17, 2024, 08:19:15 AM
Rashford...not so much.
Post by: Beard82 on December 17, 2024, 08:21:42 AM
Garnacho would be a brilliant signing.Ok let’s go with that
Rashford...not so much.
Post by: Beard82 on December 17, 2024, 08:24:00 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 17, 2024, 08:38:54 AM
I wouldn't want to pay 300k a week to chance it, and I wouldn't pick him ahead of Watkins or Durán.
If we are going to spend that sort of money i would rather it be on mbeulo tbh
Post by: Drummond on December 17, 2024, 09:16:08 AM
The question is whether he just isn't the player he should have been, whether he can recapture it and whether we'd want the risk. He's 27 and should be at the top of his game.. maybe his time has gone, but perhaps he could make a positive difference.
He's done good things with his life, but seemingly likes a party...
Post by: London Villan on December 17, 2024, 09:21:26 AM
Post by: caster troy on December 17, 2024, 09:21:37 AM
Given that there is a pretty good chance Man City are going to be knocked out, I think it probably would be worth bringing you know who in on loan if we could. We might never get another chance at this.
Post by: Drummond on December 17, 2024, 09:29:10 AM
Rodri on loan til the end of the season might work though...
Post by: aj2k77 on December 17, 2024, 10:04:02 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 17, 2024, 10:29:05 AM
One thing in our favour this winter is our Champions League position, we aren't too far away from the latter stages. There must be some decent players out there we could get on loan who fancy a crack at winning it.
Given that there is a pretty good chance Man City are going to be knocked out, I think it probably would be worth bringing you know who in on loan if we could. We might never get another chance at this.
I watched grealish on weekend and he looked a shadow of a player he was with us. Peps coached all the goid things he use to be good at. He has ruined grealish and Phillips
If its a loan i may consider it because i think within a few weeks he would be back to the grealish we know. But he wont be as loved as he once was thats for sure
Post by: ozzjim on December 17, 2024, 10:29:45 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 17, 2024, 10:37:34 AM
You might have an outside chance of Garnacho on a loan to buy if they really want to get rid of him.... But about 5%. He'll probably just go to Chelsea with every other wide forward in the world.
Its ridiculous there is no rule about how many players a club can own. Chelsea can carry on signing stupid volumes of players and no repercussions
Its lucky for them they will get CL this year. I think they could have been in trouble had they missed out this year.
Id love madueke personally
Post by: paul_e on December 17, 2024, 10:41:35 AM
One thing in our favour this winter is our Champions League position, we aren't too far away from the latter stages. There must be some decent players out there we could get on loan who fancy a crack at winning it.
Given that there is a pretty good chance Man City are going to be knocked out, I think it probably would be worth bringing you know who in on loan if we could. We might never get another chance at this.
I watched grealish on weekend and he looked a shadow of a player he was with us. Peps coached all the goid things he use to be good at. He has ruined grealish and Phillips
If its a loan i may consider it because i think within a few weeks he would be back to the grealish we know. But he wont be as loved as he once was thats for sure
He didn't ruin Phillips at all, Phillips was never the player he was made out to be but worked at Leeds because they built their team around him.
Post by: ozzjim on December 17, 2024, 10:56:32 AM
You might have an outside chance of Garnacho on a loan to buy if they really want to get rid of him.... But about 5%. He'll probably just go to Chelsea with every other wide forward in the world.
Its ridiculous there is no rule about how many players a club can own. Chelsea can carry on signing stupid volumes of players and no repercussions
Its lucky for them they will get CL this year. I think they could have been in trouble had they missed out this year.
Id love madueke personally
Imagine in that summer convenience deal we'd have somehow got Madueke and Chalobah instead of Maatsen. Might have been much better fits and Chelsea were actively trying to offload Madueke at that point. Doubt we'd have a chance now.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 17, 2024, 11:07:39 AM
One thing in our favour this winter is our Champions League position, we aren't too far away from the latter stages. There must be some decent players out there we could get on loan who fancy a crack at winning it.
Given that there is a pretty good chance Man City are going to be knocked out, I think it probably would be worth bringing you know who in on loan if we could. We might never get another chance at this.
I watched grealish on weekend and he looked a shadow of a player he was with us. Peps coached all the goid things he use to be good at. He has ruined grealish and Phillips
If its a loan i may consider it because i think within a few weeks he would be back to the grealish we know. But he wont be as loved as he once was thats for sure
He didn't ruin Phillips at all, Phillips was never the player he was made out to be but worked at Leeds because they built their team around him.
Im sure neutrals would say same about grealish then on that basis.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 17, 2024, 11:09:50 AM
You might have an outside chance of Garnacho on a loan to buy if they really want to get rid of him.... But about 5%. He'll probably just go to Chelsea with every other wide forward in the world.
Its ridiculous there is no rule about how many players a club can own. Chelsea can carry on signing stupid volumes of players and no repercussions
Its lucky for them they will get CL this year. I think they could have been in trouble had they missed out this year.
Id love madueke personally
Imagine in that summer convenience deal we'd have somehow got Madueke and Chalobah instead of Maatsen. Might have been much better fits and Chelsea were actively trying to offload Madueke at that point. Doubt we'd have a chance now.
I mentioned chalobah in summer. A loan cant see why why we wouldnt ahve been interested. He really would add something
Maatsen is a good player but has he really added much more than moreno did?
I think we needed a right sided player more than a left one so i agree with you ozzjim
Post by: Rigadon on December 17, 2024, 11:13:30 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 17, 2024, 11:34:09 AM
The signing of Maatsen seems more odd by the week to me. It was big money on a left back who doesn't start most games, when we already had Moreno as back up. It wouldn't be such a weird signing if we were under the FFP cosh, but seemingly we were / are.
Only thing i can think of was sign him hope he does well then sell in couple years for double the amount. More resale value than moreno.
Dignes been really impressive this year unfortunately for maatsen because i am sure he was the planned automatic 1st choice left back in the clubs mind when he signed. But that 30m was probably better best served getting a right back.
Post by: Drummond on December 17, 2024, 11:35:16 AM
The signing of Maatsen seems more odd by the week to me. It was big money on a left back who doesn't start most games, when we already had Moreno as back up. It wouldn't be such a weird signing if we were under the FFP cosh, but seemingly we were / are.
Chelsea paid us a wad for Kellyman. We bought Maatsen, who would have played more had Digne not upped his game significantly. Maatsen is young and will be the future.
Post by: Dave on December 17, 2024, 11:36:07 AM
The signing of Maatsen seems more odd by the week to me. It was big money on a left back who doesn't start most games, when we already had Moreno as back up. It wouldn't be such a weird signing if we were under the FFP cosh, but seemingly we were / are.
But it was clearly in part to help get us out from under that PSR cosh. We helped Chelsea out, they helped us out.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 17, 2024, 11:37:33 AM
He was already struggling with injuries when they sold him, a severe problem with his shoulder was one of the issues,One thing in our favour this winter is our Champions League position, we aren't too far away from the latter stages. There must be some decent players out there we could get on loan who fancy a crack at winning it.
Given that there is a pretty good chance Man City are going to be knocked out, I think it probably would be worth bringing you know who in on loan if we could. We might never get another chance at this.
I watched grealish on weekend and he looked a shadow of a player he was with us. Peps coached all the goid things he use to be good at. He has ruined grealish and Phillips
If its a loan i may consider it because i think within a few weeks he would be back to the grealish we know. But he wont be as loved as he once was thats for sure
He didn't ruin Phillips at all, Phillips was never the player he was made out to be but worked at Leeds because they built their team around him.
Post by: Rigadon on December 17, 2024, 11:41:53 AM
The signing of Maatsen seems more odd by the week to me. It was big money on a left back who doesn't start most games, when we already had Moreno as back up. It wouldn't be such a weird signing if we were under the FFP cosh, but seemingly we were / are.
But it was clearly in part to help get us out from under that PSR cosh. We helped Chelsea out, they helped us out.
I'd forgotten about that - yes that does help make more sense of it.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 17, 2024, 12:50:51 PM
The signing of Maatsen seems more odd by the week to me. It was big money on a left back who doesn't start most games, when we already had Moreno as back up. It wouldn't be such a weird signing if we were under the FFP cosh, but seemingly we were / are.
But it was clearly in part to help get us out from under that PSR cosh. We helped Chelsea out, they helped us out.
Surely chalobah would have made abit more sense though as we desperately needed a rb?
Post by: Dave on December 17, 2024, 01:11:07 PM
The signing of Maatsen seems more odd by the week to me. It was big money on a left back who doesn't start most games, when we already had Moreno as back up. It wouldn't be such a weird signing if we were under the FFP cosh, but seemingly we were / are.
But it was clearly in part to help get us out from under that PSR cosh. We helped Chelsea out, they helped us out.
Surely chalobah would have made abit more sense though as we desperately needed a rb?
We didn't desperately need a right-back unless it was an upgrade on the ones that we have. And given that there aren't many of them about, we're making do by playing a very good centre-back at right-back quite a lot.
Buying a less-good centre-back to play at right-back instead of the one that we currently do would compound that problem rather than solving it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 17, 2024, 01:13:39 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 17, 2024, 01:16:03 PM
The signing of Maatsen seems more odd by the week to me. It was big money on a left back who doesn't start most games, when we already had Moreno as back up. It wouldn't be such a weird signing if we were under the FFP cosh, but seemingly we were / are.
But it was clearly in part to help get us out from under that PSR cosh. We helped Chelsea out, they helped us out.
He's also not a right back, he's a right centre half
Surely chalobah would have made abit more sense though as we desperately needed a rb?
Post by: Demitri_C on December 17, 2024, 02:13:21 PM
The signing of Maatsen seems more odd by the week to me. It was big money on a left back who doesn't start most games, when we already had Moreno as back up. It wouldn't be such a weird signing if we were under the FFP cosh, but seemingly we were / are.
But it was clearly in part to help get us out from under that PSR cosh. We helped Chelsea out, they helped us out.
He's also not a right back, he's a right centre half
Surely chalobah would have made abit more sense though as we desperately needed a rb?
You are right but he plays right back too.
The signing of Maatsen seems more odd by the week to me. It was big money on a left back who doesn't start most games, when we already had Moreno as back up. It wouldn't be such a weird signing if we were under the FFP cosh, but seemingly we were / are.
But it was clearly in part to help get us out from under that PSR cosh. We helped Chelsea out, they helped us out.
Surely chalobah would have made abit more sense though as we desperately needed a rb?
We didn't desperately need a right-back unless it was an upgrade on the ones that we have. And given that there aren't many of them about, we're making do by playing a very good centre-back at right-back quite a lot.
Buying a less-good centre-back to play at right-back instead of the one that we currently do would compound that problem rather than solving it.
I think we did in my opinion. We had problems with cash last season and he had virtually no competition last season either. Agree with your point we needed a upgrade.
We were also strongly linked with kayode from what i remember. I think the price was around 15m. will need to see how is doing this season
Post by: Demitri_C on December 17, 2024, 02:28:23 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on December 17, 2024, 03:43:53 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 17, 2024, 10:42:29 PM
He stinks of Everton, frankly. The only reason he won't go there is they're skint.
Post by: LukeJames on December 17, 2024, 11:17:57 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 18, 2024, 06:58:30 AM
He’d become the ultimate pantomime villain, managing to annoy most the population one way or another.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 18, 2024, 09:07:16 AM
Listening to SSN talking about Rashford, they're desperate to drum up a big move for him.
He stinks of Everton, frankly. The only reason he won't go there is they're skint.
Chelsea all over it
Post by: Rigadon on December 18, 2024, 09:32:57 AM
Can he play right back?
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2024, 09:45:54 AM
Rashford used to be a cracking player and a rare thing in being a Man Utd player who most people kind of liked. He does look finished now, but then again he should still have another 5 or 6 years in him playing wise. Maybe on a loan with an option to buy he would be worth that risk.
Can he play right back?
Even only paying half his wages would make him the best paid player at the club.
If he turned around tomorrow and said "I want to play for Emery and get my career back, fuck the money" I'd carry him here on my back, but that's never going to happen.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 18, 2024, 11:09:03 AM
Listening to SSN talking about Rashford, they're desperate to drum up a big move for him.
He stinks of Everton, frankly. The only reason he won't go there is they're skint.
Chelsea all over it
100% send sancho back and get rashford i would imagine
Post by: Rigadon on December 18, 2024, 11:17:14 AM
Rashford used to be a cracking player and a rare thing in being a Man Utd player who most people kind of liked. He does look finished now, but then again he should still have another 5 or 6 years in him playing wise. Maybe on a loan with an option to buy he would be worth that risk.
Can he play right back?
Even only paying half his wages would make him the best paid player at the club.
If he turned around tomorrow and said "I want to play for Emery and get my career back, fuck the money" I'd carry him here on my back, but that's never going to happen.
Aye.
Post by: Chris Stares on December 18, 2024, 01:49:13 PM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2024, 01:55:04 PM
We tried to get another right back in the summer in the form of Lutsharel Geertruida (who I believe would have been excellent), but PSR did for us, and we couldn't complete the deal, hence why he ended up at RB Leipzig.
He didn't need to go to them though, the shit. Right Back Leipzig? Come on, unnecessary.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2024, 02:58:39 PM
We tried to get another right back in the summer in the form of Lutsharel Geertruida (who I believe would have been excellent), but PSR did for us, and we couldn't complete the deal, hence why he ended up at RB Leipzig.
I suspect that was more because we were willing to let Carlos leave so this was our replacement.
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2024, 03:54:49 PM
Listening to SSN talking about Rashford, they're desperate to drum up a big move for him.
He stinks of Everton, frankly. The only reason he won't go there is they're skint.
Chelsea all over it
100% send sancho back and get rashford i would imagine
I imagine not - all three parties are already committed to the Sancho transfer happening next summer.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2024, 03:58:29 PM
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Of England's top clubs, Manchester City and Liverpool seem a bit of a stretch, even with City in such poor form. Arsenal need a central striker – and Rashford doesn't like playing there. Chelsea appear to have spent enough. Tottenham are inconsistent but they are hardly likely to drop skipper Son Heung-min, who plays on the left.
For once I'm glad they don't consider us a "top club". Although I would have thought Rashford would be ideal to replace the soon-to-be 33yo Son.
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2024, 04:05:35 PM
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It’s all gone a little bit stale at Aston Villa, hasn’t it? Their Premier League form has dipped rather dramatically, dropping home points to Bournemouth and Crystal Palace (who knocked Unai Emery’s side out of the Carabao Cup with a 2-1 victory at Villa Park too) while they were well beaten by Tottenham, Liverpool and Chelsea, all in the same run. After going six domestic matches without a win, Villa beat Brentford and Southampton at home but threw it away at Nottingham Forest on Sunday.
Unai, my friend, can we tempt you to sign a player who is known to oversleep for team meetings, phone in sick after venturing to a nightclub and go out partying after demoralising defeats? He works really hard on the pitch, we promise!
In Villa’s previous two games, Emery’s wide players were John McGinn and Matty Cash and no natural winger came off the bench with Jaden Philogene an unused substitute and Leon Bailey injured. McGinn is terrific but better in the middle and Cash is not the best right-back, let alone right-winger.
Rashford might be the forward Aston Villa need to rejuvenate their attack, and he provides some lovely depth exactly where Emery needs it.
A couple of years ago, the idea of joining Villa would have been laughed off for Rashford but now it can be regarded a step up from Man United. They are in the Champions League and on course to finish in the top eight, thus automatically progressing to the last 16. Now that’s appealing, isn’t it Marcus?
Post by: brontebilly on December 18, 2024, 10:37:47 PM
The BBC have listed all the English "Top Clubs" Rashford could go to, and why they wouldn't sign him.QuoteOf England's top clubs, Manchester City and Liverpool seem a bit of a stretch, even with City in such poor form. Arsenal need a central striker – and Rashford doesn't like playing there. Chelsea appear to have spent enough. Tottenham are inconsistent but they are hardly likely to drop skipper Son Heung-min, who plays on the left.
For once I'm glad they don't consider us a "top club". Although I would have thought Rashford would be ideal to replace the soon-to-be 33yo Son.
Son is a consumate professional whereas Rashford is anything but. Although with 'Big Ange' trying to bomb out Werner and Richarlison there might be a spot there. They have the funds to make a deal happen but really dont think Levy would take a punt on him.
Rashford needs to decide if he wants to be a top level footballer again. If he doesnt then he can either continue to sit on his contract or there will be Saudi and US offers to keep the dollars rolling in. If he does then he's going to have to come to some kind of settlement with Man United to rip up his contract and take a hugely reduced deal in a different PL club. The PL clubs who could afford him (Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea) wouldnt want him and with PSR constraints the likes of a Newcastle couldnt make the deal happen. The ship has sailed on a decent European club coming in for him after his performances and behaviour in recent seasons. Maybe Man City might be open to a swap deal with Grealish.
Post by: brontebilly on December 18, 2024, 11:02:06 PM
Rashford used to be a cracking player and a rare thing in being a Man Utd player who most people kind of liked. He does look finished now, but then again he should still have another 5 or 6 years in him playing wise. Maybe on a loan with an option to buy he would be worth that risk.
He has a terrible attitude, he literally has not tried a leg at times at Man United. I dont know whether that top season he had under Ten Hag completely went to his head. But the days of a wide forward not bothering to track back and sulk around the pitch are long over (unless you are Ronaldo or Messi level which obviously he isnt). PL scoring record over his career isnt bad (1 in every 3 games on average) but assists drop to 1 in 7 which maybe gets to part of the problem. The fear for Rashford or any player that bases their game around pace is that if that drops at all then you are left with a very average player.
Post by: john e on December 18, 2024, 11:59:20 PM
The BBC have listed all the English "Top Clubs" Rashford could go to, and why they wouldn't sign him.QuoteOf England's top clubs, Manchester City and Liverpool seem a bit of a stretch, even with City in such poor form. Arsenal need a central striker – and Rashford doesn't like playing there. Chelsea appear to have spent enough. Tottenham are inconsistent but they are hardly likely to drop skipper Son Heung-min, who plays on the left.
For once I'm glad they don't consider us a "top club". Although I would have thought Rashford would be ideal to replace the soon-to-be 33yo Son.
Son is a consumate professional whereas Rashford is anything but. Although with 'Big Ange' trying to bomb out Werner and Richarlison there might be a spot there. They have the funds to make a deal happen but really dont think Levy would take a punt on him.
Rashford needs to decide if he wants to be a top level footballer again. If he doesnt then he can either continue to sit on his contract or there will be Saudi and US offers to keep the dollars rolling in. If he does then he's going to have to come to some kind of settlement with Man United to rip up his contract and take a hugely reduced deal in a different PL club. The PL clubs who could afford him (Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea) wouldnt want him and with PSR constraints the likes of a Newcastle couldnt make the deal happen. The ship has sailed on a decent European club coming in for him after his performances and behaviour in recent seasons. Maybe Man City might be open to a swap deal with Grealish.
I think he’ll go to PSG
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on December 19, 2024, 09:13:41 AM
Post by: brontebilly on December 19, 2024, 09:38:33 AM
Rash should join West Ham United. They need a striker after antonio's injury and have history of taking manutds crap. (lingard, Morrisson, evra)
They are pretty stacked in the wide forward areas with Bowen, Kuddus and Summerville so don't think it's a runner. Unlikely Man United will go for Ings in a swap deal! West Ham have had a series of striker flops looking at it
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2024, 09:59:15 AM
The BBC have listed all the English "Top Clubs" Rashford could go to, and why they wouldn't sign him.QuoteOf England's top clubs, Manchester City and Liverpool seem a bit of a stretch, even with City in such poor form. Arsenal need a central striker – and Rashford doesn't like playing there. Chelsea appear to have spent enough. Tottenham are inconsistent but they are hardly likely to drop skipper Son Heung-min, who plays on the left.
For once I'm glad they don't consider us a "top club". Although I would have thought Rashford would be ideal to replace the soon-to-be 33yo Son.
Son is a consumate professional whereas Rashford is anything but. Although with 'Big Ange' trying to bomb out Werner and Richarlison there might be a spot there. They have the funds to make a deal happen but really dont think Levy would take a punt on him.
Rashford needs to decide if he wants to be a top level footballer again. If he doesnt then he can either continue to sit on his contract or there will be Saudi and US offers to keep the dollars rolling in. If he does then he's going to have to come to some kind of settlement with Man United to rip up his contract and take a hugely reduced deal in a different PL club. The PL clubs who could afford him (Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea) wouldnt want him and with PSR constraints the likes of a Newcastle couldnt make the deal happen. The ship has sailed on a decent European club coming in for him after his performances and behaviour in recent seasons. Maybe Man City might be open to a swap deal with Grealish.
I think he’ll go to PSG
Yup. They can afford it and have a very obvious gap in the squad for a forward who likes to cut in from the left.
One of very few teams who can afford him, very marketable, and as Greenwood is showing at Marseille he will probably score 30+ over there.
Hard to see him going anywhere else to be honest.
Post by: Gareth on December 19, 2024, 12:52:01 PM
Post by: Dave on December 20, 2024, 01:33:12 PM
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Hüseyin Yücel (Beşiktaş vice president): “Semih Kılıçsoy received an offer from Aston Villa. Monchi’s initial offer was €12m, then it went up to €15m. They also asked ‘Do you want Diego Carlos or Alex Moreno?’ I couldn’t get it accepted — the president said €15m is too little..”
Post by: LeeB on December 20, 2024, 01:35:42 PM
I think Rudy Can't Fail's Kılıçsoy alarm has just gone off...QuoteHüseyin Yücel (Beşiktaş vice president): “Semih Kılıçsoy received an offer from Aston Villa. Monchi’s initial offer was €12m, then it went up to €15m. They also asked ‘Do you want Diego Carlos or Alex Moreno?’ I couldn’t get it accepted — the president said €15m is too little..”
"You can have both! And we'll chuck in a Dendonker for free"
Post by: Drummond on December 20, 2024, 01:37:19 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 20, 2024, 10:49:30 PM
https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1870224910070476935
https://x.com/NonEvoluto/status/1869457810632626446
Post by: brontebilly on December 20, 2024, 11:02:55 PM
The BBC have listed all the English "Top Clubs" Rashford could go to, and why they wouldn't sign him.QuoteOf England's top clubs, Manchester City and Liverpool seem a bit of a stretch, even with City in such poor form. Arsenal need a central striker – and Rashford doesn't like playing there. Chelsea appear to have spent enough. Tottenham are inconsistent but they are hardly likely to drop skipper Son Heung-min, who plays on the left.
For once I'm glad they don't consider us a "top club". Although I would have thought Rashford would be ideal to replace the soon-to-be 33yo Son.
Son is a consumate professional whereas Rashford is anything but. Although with 'Big Ange' trying to bomb out Werner and Richarlison there might be a spot there. They have the funds to make a deal happen but really dont think Levy would take a punt on him.
Rashford needs to decide if he wants to be a top level footballer again. If he doesnt then he can either continue to sit on his contract or there will be Saudi and US offers to keep the dollars rolling in. If he does then he's going to have to come to some kind of settlement with Man United to rip up his contract and take a hugely reduced deal in a different PL club. The PL clubs who could afford him (Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea) wouldnt want him and with PSR constraints the likes of a Newcastle couldnt make the deal happen. The ship has sailed on a decent European club coming in for him after his performances and behaviour in recent seasons. Maybe Man City might be open to a swap deal with Grealish.
I think he’ll go to PSG
Yup. They can afford it and have a very obvious gap in the squad for a forward who likes to cut in from the left.
One of very few teams who can afford him, very marketable, and as Greenwood is showing at Marseille he will probably score 30+ over there.
Hard to see him going anywhere else to be honest.
Isn't that the position that Barcola kid plays? PSG seem to have moved away from the big name/wage players. Maybe swap deal with Asensio.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 20, 2024, 11:06:31 PM
Apparently, AC Milan are willing to offer Samuel Chukwueze and/or Noah Okafor to Aston Villa in exchange for Jaden Philogene.
https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1870224910070476935
https://x.com/NonEvoluto/status/1869457810632626446
We were linked with Chuck before he moved to Milan. I’d see that as an upgrade on JP, not sure why they’d be interested but they appear to do a decent job of rehabilitating English players.
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 20, 2024, 11:07:30 PM
Apparently, AC Milan are willing to offer Samuel Chukwueze and/or Noah Okafor to Aston Villa in exchange for Jaden Philogene.
https://x.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1870224910070476935
https://x.com/NonEvoluto/status/1869457810632626446
I’d be willing to accept
Post by: Demitri_C on December 21, 2024, 04:53:39 PM
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Post by: Mister E on December 22, 2024, 08:36:56 AM
... I'm assuming we wouldn't get Mbuemo in January and I see Almiron as someone who would play the type of game that would suit us.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 22, 2024, 09:12:21 AM
He really could take us to the next level. Top top player
Post by: AV82EC on December 22, 2024, 09:26:15 AM
I’d also be bringing Barranachea back from his loan to cover Onana and Kamara because as we saw yesterday asking Tielemans and McGinn to do that lessens us as a team elsewhere.
With Barkley, Bailey, Ramsey and Buendia we are pretty well covered in forward areas allowing Unai the ability to tweak formations and tactics and manage minutes for the rest of the season. Though with Buendia if we can do some business to move him on and upgrade that may be useful.
Post by: LeeB on December 22, 2024, 09:48:02 AM
I don’t contribute much to this thread but if we have any money to spend this transfer window it’s on a right back imv. I think Matty Cash is a good player but I think we can do better. In addition it means Cash becomes a back up and Nedljkovic can be sent on loan to continue his education.
I’d also be bringing Barranachea back from his loan to cover Onana and Kamara because as we saw yesterday asking Tielemans and McGinn to do that lessens us as a team elsewhere.
With Barkley, Bailey, Ramsey and Buendia we are pretty well covered in forward areas allowing Unai the ability to tweak formations and tactics and manage minutes for the rest of the season. Though with Buendia if we can do some business to move him on and upgrade that may be useful.
The only problem with the right back situation is as I think Dave pointed out, some of the heavy hitters that don't have our FFP concerns will also be in that market too.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 22, 2024, 09:57:14 AM
I don’t contribute much to this thread but if we have any money to spend this transfer window it’s on a right back imv. I think Matty Cash is a good player but I think we can do better. In addition it means Cash becomes a back up and Nedljkovic can be sent on loan to continue his education.
I’d also be bringing Barranachea back from his loan to cover Onana and Kamara because as we saw yesterday asking Tielemans and McGinn to do that lessens us as a team elsewhere.
With Barkley, Bailey, Ramsey and Buendia we are pretty well covered in forward areas allowing Unai the ability to tweak formations and tactics and manage minutes for the rest of the season. Though with Buendia if we can do some business to move him on and upgrade that may be useful.
Agree with most of that. I agree that RB is a priority position, not necessarily to replace Cash, but to have another option there. That would also allow Nedeljkovic to go out on loan and get some much needed experience.
I would add a really pacy wide player as the other priority. I know Bailey has a lot of admirers on here, but we've looked a lot better in recent weeks having players out there who haven't consistently given the ball away and broken down moves. McGinn did well out there yesterday, but I'd still like to see a real flier out there to allow us to break really quickly and would potentially use Buendia or even Bailey as a swap. I'd love to get Jarrod Bowen in, as I think he'd fit that role perfectly.
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 22, 2024, 10:06:10 AM
I said in the other football thread was watching the brentford game and even though they were poor mbeulo was really good. He was is wasted there. I would happily spend a majority of our summee budget bringing him here.
He really could take us to the next level. Top top player
Don't think you've ever managed to get his name right though
Post by: AV82EC on December 22, 2024, 10:11:26 AM
I don’t contribute much to this thread but if we have any money to spend this transfer window it’s on a right back imv. I think Matty Cash is a good player but I think we can do better. In addition it means Cash becomes a back up and Nedljkovic can be sent on loan to continue his education.
I’d also be bringing Barranachea back from his loan to cover Onana and Kamara because as we saw yesterday asking Tielemans and McGinn to do that lessens us as a team elsewhere.
With Barkley, Bailey, Ramsey and Buendia we are pretty well covered in forward areas allowing Unai the ability to tweak formations and tactics and manage minutes for the rest of the season. Though with Buendia if we can do some business to move him on and upgrade that may be useful.
The only problem with the right back situation is as I think Dave pointed out, some of the heavy hitters that don't have our FFP concerns will also be in that market too.
That’s a fair point and in addition further up the thread someone did a a review of top quality right backs and they seem to be few and far between. Hopefully Monchi can pull something out of the hat.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 22, 2024, 10:24:24 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 22, 2024, 12:08:39 PM
I don’t contribute much to this thread but if we have any money to spend this transfer window it’s on a right back imv. I think Matty Cash is a good player but I think we can do better. In addition it means Cash becomes a back up and Nedljkovic can be sent on loan to continue his education.
I’d also be bringing Barranachea back from his loan to cover Onana and Kamara because as we saw yesterday asking Tielemans and McGinn to do that lessens us as a team elsewhere.
With Barkley, Bailey, Ramsey and Buendia we are pretty well covered in forward areas allowing Unai the ability to tweak formations and tactics and manage minutes for the rest of the season. Though with Buendia if we can do some business to move him on and upgrade that may be useful.
The only problem with the right back situation is as I think Dave pointed out, some of the heavy hitters that don't have our FFP concerns will also be in that market too.
That’s a fair point and in addition further up the thread someone did a a review of top quality right backs and they seem to be few and far between. Hopefully Monchi can pull something out of the hat.
Then again, I doubt Rogers would have been on anyone's list of "we need a player of this type" options prior to us signing him.
You're right though, it will be very difficult, esp with PSR limits and even more so, in January.
Post by: KevinGage on December 22, 2024, 12:51:35 PM
Part of that may have been due to injury IIRC. But there was also mention that as Young was familiar with the defensive formation and demands placed on him and Emery didn't want to disrupt that.
Looking at a lot of our play this year you wouldn't think there was much defensive structure at all (conceding as many as we've scored tells its own story).
But -if we sign a defender - I don't think it will be a RB or CB who comes in and is in contention for a starting spot right away.
We might ditch Diego Carlos if the offer is right and invest in a project CB. The young Spanish/Polish lad at Valencia whose name escapes me.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 22, 2024, 01:02:41 PM
I said in the other football thread was watching the brentford game and even though they were poor mbeulo was really good. He was is wasted there. I would happily spend a majority of our summee budget bringing him here.
He really could take us to the next level. Top top player
Don't think you've ever managed to get his name right though
Will stick with his first name then 😂
Post by: Tuscans on December 22, 2024, 06:06:10 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 22, 2024, 06:16:11 PM
I’d also be bringing Barranachea back from his loan to cover Onana and Kamara because as we saw yesterday asking Tielemans and McGinn to do that lessens us as a team elsewhere.
Agreed but if memory serves we agreed to a season long loan. Yup, June 30, 2025.
Post by: AV82EC on December 22, 2024, 07:30:22 PM
I’d also be bringing Barranachea back from his loan to cover Onana and Kamara because as we saw yesterday asking Tielemans and McGinn to do that lessens us as a team elsewhere.
Agreed but if memory serves we agreed to a season long loan. Yup, June 30, 2025.
Agh, you're right, back to the drawing board.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 23, 2024, 02:05:10 AM
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Post by: Mister E on December 23, 2024, 08:06:28 AM
Pacey wide forward remains my priority.Aston Villa can confirm that Louie Barry will be recalled from his loan spell at Stockport County in January...
... ;D ;D ;D
Post by: LeeB on December 23, 2024, 08:58:00 AM
It was a while before Cash was back in the side starting after the World Cup in 2022.
Part of that may have been due to injury IIRC. But there was also mention that as Young was familiar with the defensive formation and demands placed on him and Emery didn't want to disrupt that.
Looking at a lot of our play this year you wouldn't think there was much defensive structure at all (conceding as many as we've scored tells its own story).
But -if we sign a defender - I don't think it will be a RB or CB who comes in and is in contention for a starting spot right away.
We might ditch Diego Carlos if the offer is right and invest in a project CB. The young Spanish/Polish lad at Valencia whose name escapes me.
I've no idea who this is, but that's a brilliant combination for a Championship Manager regen.
I'm going to guess it's Wojciech Ballesteros.
Post by: coreyfeldman on December 23, 2024, 09:27:02 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 23, 2024, 10:51:18 AM
Starting to think that taking the points deduction is a smart move
Funny you say that i said earlier in season if we got a 10 point deduction but kept diaby, luiz or both im pretty sure we would have had more points than the deduction!
Post by: OCD on December 23, 2024, 11:06:25 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 23, 2024, 11:11:22 AM
I can see someone doing that. Probably Chelsea.
But seemingly the rules do not affect the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Red filth etc - Chelsea do not even have revenue from a shirt sponsor ffs
Post by: OCD on December 23, 2024, 11:17:47 AM
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Post by: Demitri_C on December 23, 2024, 11:31:24 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 23, 2024, 01:25:06 PM
The way the media fawn over them makes me puke as if they nurture players themselves rather than throw money around like a drunken sailor on shore leave.
What has happened to Kellyman - on loan? kidnapped? Did he ever exsist?
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 23, 2024, 01:33:51 PM
Short term i would look at a couple for foreign loans to bridge the right sided CH and RS full back.
Would then let Nedelkjavic and Swinkels out on Championship loans
Post by: sid1964 on December 24, 2024, 07:39:58 AM
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Post by: Rigadon on December 24, 2024, 09:46:15 AM
Surely Martinez, Kamara, Rogers and Duran are far too good for us and should be heading for one of the BIGSIX soon enough.
Well, quite. A move to spurs is irresistible to these boys. They’ll be begging to leave obviously.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 24, 2024, 09:48:33 AM
I think chelsea will already offload felix in next two window's. As we seem to help each other with FFP wouldnt suprise me if we get him by the summer
I can’t work out a scenario in my head where that would work for either Villa or Chelsea.
Post by: Tuscans on December 24, 2024, 11:26:22 AM
Kasımpaşa has reached an agreement with Premier League team Aston Villa for the transfer of its 18-year-old player Yasin Özcan. The young player will travel to England in the first week of January to undergo medical checks.
Yasin Özcan, who played in all 16 matches Kasımpaşa played in the Super League this season and made 1 assist, is on his way to England. Kasımpaşa has reached an agreement with Premier League team Aston Villa for Yasin, who is on the transfer lists of many teams both domestically and internationally. The 18-year-old footballer will travel to England in the first week of January to undergo health checks. It was learned that Kasımpaşa and Aston Villa have reached an agreement for 8 million Euros for this transfer.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2024, 11:31:02 AM
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Post by: Tuscans on December 24, 2024, 11:35:53 AM
If true, be interesting to see if he comes into the squad or we loan him straight back out again.Imagine he'll stay in Turkey for the remainder of the season and come over in the summer like Ned did. Seeing he's a left sided CB/LB I would guess they see him being 2nd choice CB/LB if Digne or Mings move on in year or two.
Post by: Tuscans on December 24, 2024, 11:44:15 AM
What position does he he play ?Left sided CB or left back.
Post by: Tuscans on December 24, 2024, 12:01:56 PM
Zych joined Villa in the summer of 2020, having played for both Arka Gdynia and Zaglebie Lubin in his native Poland.
An FA Youth Cup winner with Villa in 2021, he spent last season on loan at Puszcza Niepolomice in the Polish Ekstraklasa.
A youth international, he was part of the senior Polish provisional squad ahead of the UEFA Euro 2024 last summer.
Post by: SaddVillan on December 24, 2024, 12:16:29 PM
18yr yr old cb/lb. 6'1".
78 SuoerLig appearances already.
Short term - cheerio Diego
Long term - ready made replacement for Tyrone.
This is from the Guardian's Next Generation series:
would be unfair to call Özcan a potential talent as he is already playing first-team football in the Turkish top tier. In fact, he already had half a season as first-choice defender under his belt when he started the first game of the 2023-24 campaign for Kasimpasa. Burst on to the scene in January 2023 and it was not long until he became the youngest player to score in the league, aged just 16. Started off as a left winger before being converted to a centre-back due to his size and pace, although the youngster believes his best position is left-back. Wearing the No 58 as an ode to the area code of his family’s region, Sivas, he cites Sergio Ramos as his idol. Özcan is already playing for the Turkish Under-21 national team and considering the lack of left-backs at the moment he could end up getting fast-tracked to the senior side. He would have generated a lot more media attention had he been at one of Kasimpasa’s noisier Istanbul neighbours, but that is bound to change, with clubs from within and outside Turkey following his progress. Emre Sarigul
October 2024 update Despite being just 18, Özcan is a seasoned Super Lig player entering his third season as a first-team centre-back. The versatile defender, who can also play as a left-back, was a first-choice player last term making 37 appearances in the league. He has kept his place in the side and is being closely watched by several clubs who have been impressed with his development.
Post by: VillaTim on December 24, 2024, 12:18:03 PM
Can never have too many LB's down B6 .What position does he he play ?Left sided CB or left back.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 24, 2024, 12:26:54 PM
Kasımpaşa has reached an agreement with Aston Villa for the transfer of Yasin Özcan for €8m.
"Can he mix it? Yasin Özcan" to the tune of 'Bob the Builder'. Short and simple.
Post by: Tuscans on December 24, 2024, 12:36:23 PM
Don't see Digne being offered a new contract when his comes to an end next summer. Leaving only Maatsen.Can never have too many LB's down B6 .What position does he he play ?Left sided CB or left back.
Post by: Tuscans on December 24, 2024, 12:37:04 PM
The goalkeeper is currently on loan at Crewe Alexandra in League Two where he has made 25 appearances, keeping nine clean sheets.
Marschall has previously spent time on loan with MK Dons and Gateshead, with whom he won the National League North title in 2022.
An FA Youth Cup winner in 2021, he made his senior debut for Villa last season in a UEFA Europa Conference League tie at HŠK Zrinjski.
Congratulations, Filip!
Post by: Demitri_C on December 24, 2024, 12:46:21 PM
Kasımpaşa has reached an agreement with Aston Villa for the transfer of Yasin Özcan for €8m.
Kasımpaşa has reached an agreement with Premier League team Aston Villa for the transfer of its 18-year-old player Yasin Özcan. The young player will travel to England in the first week of January to undergo medical checks.
Yasin Özcan, who played in all 16 matches Kasımpaşa played in the Super League this season and made 1 assist, is on his way to England. Kasımpaşa has reached an agreement with Premier League team Aston Villa for Yasin, who is on the transfer lists of many teams both domestically and internationally. The 18-year-old footballer will travel to England in the first week of January to undergo health checks. It was learned that Kasımpaşa and Aston Villa have reached an agreement for 8 million Euros for this transfer.
Probably be loaned out hope he does well the sold on for profit i would imagine. Seems like we are following the chelsea model that works so well for them
Post by: algy on December 24, 2024, 12:57:26 PM
Kasımpaşa has reached an agreement with Aston Villa for the transfer of Yasin Özcan for €8m.Just looked him up on Wikipedia: "Yasin Özcan (born 20 April 2006) is a Turkish footballer who plays as a centre-back or left-back for Kasımpaşa."
Kasımpaşa has reached an agreement with Premier League team Aston Villa for the transfer of its 18-year-old player Yasin Özcan. The young player will travel to England in the first week of January to undergo medical checks.
Yasin Özcan, who played in all 16 matches Kasımpaşa played in the Super League this season and made 1 assist, is on his way to England. Kasımpaşa has reached an agreement with Premier League team Aston Villa for Yasin, who is on the transfer lists of many teams both domestically and internationally. The 18-year-old footballer will travel to England in the first week of January to undergo health checks. It was learned that Kasımpaşa and Aston Villa have reached an agreement for 8 million Euros for this transfer.
Unai Emery really needs to check that he's written 'RIGHT BACK' rather than 'Full back' on the list of players he wants to sign.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 24, 2024, 01:12:15 PM
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Post by: Demitri_C on December 24, 2024, 02:51:15 PM
Let's hope he's better than Alpay was.
Alpay was good until the turkey - england game where the media absolutely turned on him
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 24, 2024, 02:53:40 PM
Eventually signed for... Incheon United.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 24, 2024, 03:50:54 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 24, 2024, 04:37:07 PM
Makes you think.
INSERT LE TISSIER HERE
Post by: KevinGage on December 25, 2024, 01:42:41 AM
Just seen that a London paper (Evening Standard) is claiming that Chelsea are confident of getting Emi Martinez - this cannot be true?
Just seen that a London paper (Evening Standard) is claiming that Chelsea are confident of getting Emi Martinez - this cannot be true?
I wouldn't be totally stunned if he formed part of their (or many better sides) vision of what they need to push on.
Chelsea, Yanited, Tottingham and even Bayern on a downturn have fairly wank goalkeepers that need replacing.
If he considers a move at all (and I'm not saying he will) it will be to a definitive upgrade and pretty much a CL regular. Which discounts the first three at a stroke, based on the last few years.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 25, 2024, 02:06:20 AM
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Post by: Beard82 on December 25, 2024, 10:25:44 PM
When it comes to Martinez, I'd assume it could all hinge on how we finish the season. If we go out of CL at the first knockout stage, and don't finish in CL spots for next season, he may well be tempted by offers, if they come, from a team like Chelsea. They're competing for the league now, and will at the very least be in the CL next season. Who knows how stable they are, and there's no guarantee they won't go to shit again, but I could see how they'd be appealing to a keeper of all positions.Yeah I could see this hopefully we finish the season strongly and get a top 5 finish. I don’t think he’s in a rush to leave but could be an option depending on where we are. This FFP bollocks isn’t helping us with things like this as we could have firmed up our position with a couple of class signings
Post by: ozzjim on December 25, 2024, 10:43:21 PM
Martinez wouldn't go I don't think. He's intertwined with everything we want to achieve and I think he'll stick it out and try and win a trophy here rather than leave.
Post by: Drummond on December 25, 2024, 11:18:32 PM
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Post by: Demitri_C on December 26, 2024, 09:23:24 AM
Unless it has a guaranteed fee in the summer involved, fuck that.
This
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 26, 2024, 10:10:50 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 26, 2024, 10:17:11 AM
Have we got room in the squad to strengthen without letting people go?
Room people or financial headroom under the current rule?
Either way I think we have one spare place for a player valued about £40m (no sums involved) and after that I think a one in, one out policy is needed. That applies to loans too.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 26, 2024, 10:28:44 AM
Have we got room in the squad to strengthen without letting people go?
Room people or financial headroom under the current rule?
Either way I think we have one spare place for a player valued about £40m (no sums involved) and after that I think a one in, one out policy is needed. That applies to loans too.
I was thinking more about the 25-man limit.
Who really knows about the financial headroom? One thing we do know is that, if we wanted to gamble, we have the safety net of being able to sell before June 30th.
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 26, 2024, 01:48:25 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 26, 2024, 02:33:54 PM
The problem with that is when other clubs know you need to sell.
Yeah, it’s not THAT safe.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2024, 07:33:18 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 26, 2024, 07:44:28 PM
It won’t happen but I think Cunha would be a really good player for us.
I would be ok trading him in for duran if a silly money offer comes in for him
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2024, 08:00:00 PM
Post by: crewster73 on December 26, 2024, 08:03:30 PM
It won’t happen but I think Cunha would be a really good player for us.Thanks for clarifying what a bellend you are
I would be ok trading him in for duran if a silly money offer comes in for him
Post by: brontebilly on December 26, 2024, 08:04:30 PM
It won’t happen but I think Cunha would be a really good player for us.
He's talented, in a very average team, but he certainly likes having a good old moan and I don't think he has the workrate that Emery looks for.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 26, 2024, 08:06:34 PM
It won’t happen but I think Cunha would be a really good player for us.Thanks for clarifying what a bellend you are
I would be ok trading him in for duran if a silly money offer comes in for him
Im a bellend because my opinion is different to you.
That makes so much sense you muppet 😂
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 26, 2024, 08:51:31 PM
It won’t happen but I think Cunha would be a really good player for us.Thanks for clarifying what a bellend you are
I would be ok trading him in for duran if a silly money offer comes in for him
It really undermines the insult if you fuck up the quote.
Also, not really necessary, IMO. DC is okay, he's just slightly prone to catastrophising. 🙂
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2024, 08:53:51 PM
Post by: Small Rodent on December 26, 2024, 09:14:18 PM
Stop getting your hopes up.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2024, 09:27:38 PM
We won’t buy anybody in January except for bargains basement kids.
Stop getting your hopes up.
Well if “bargain basement kids” includes what Rogers was last year then count me in.
Post by: Small Rodent on December 26, 2024, 09:32:31 PM
We won’t buy anybody in January except for bargains basement kids.
Stop getting your hopes up.
Well if “bargain basement kids” includes what Rogers was last year then count me in.
Yes I would love our scouting to do that!
I’m talking about people thinking we’ll make “big” signings.
Post by: Billy Walker on December 27, 2024, 02:09:07 PM
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Post by: Billy Walker on December 27, 2024, 02:15:11 PM
Well on the basis Ollie has performed for seasons with us, including a truly exceptional one last season, it wouldn’t make sense to me.
Yep, it would be a huge, FFP-driven gamble, Ollie's been brilliant.
Post by: Billy Walker on December 27, 2024, 02:16:33 PM
Yes it would, although I’d strongly advise treating your subconscious to something a bit more interesting!
Too much cheese consumed this Christmas, no doubt!
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 27, 2024, 03:28:09 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 27, 2024, 04:08:35 PM
Id put a offer in and see what happens. I think he is a top player
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 27, 2024, 04:12:53 PM
Post by: WassallVillain on December 27, 2024, 04:38:49 PM
No it wouldn’t.
Dream or no dream, it's certainly made me think - in the here and now, would such business make sense? Maybe it would?
Duran has a lot more to do to prove that he won’t make waves to get away to the first elite European team that flutters their eyelashes at him. Even with the fat new contract he just signed. Imagine Ollie gone and a sulky Duran. Despite his exceptional goal scoring and recently improved all round play he is still not the full team player as he proved yesterday with his free kick antic.
BTW I would like to see him given a few free kicks but currently it is clear it is not part of the match day instruction. Perhaps he is still to prove his free kick qualities at BMH
Post by: Tuscans on December 27, 2024, 05:23:39 PM
@mattinodinapoli
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 27, 2024, 05:27:21 PM
Napoli had scouts watching Jhon Durán yesterday.
@mattinodinapoli
Doubt they'd be interested in a South American footballing talent who's prone to the odd temperamental outburst.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 27, 2024, 05:29:58 PM
Dream or no dream, it's certainly made me think - in the here and now, would such business make sense? Maybe it would?
Same here, I'm off to Endemol with my idea for a new game show.
Post by: Tuscans on December 27, 2024, 05:35:08 PM
Conte wouldn't give a flying fuck about that.Napoli had scouts watching Jhon Durán yesterday.
@mattinodinapoli
Doubt they'd be interested in a South American footballing talent who's prone to the odd temperamental outburst.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 27, 2024, 05:35:40 PM
Sounds good to me, unless there's some behind the scenes stuff we don't know about.
Maresca has publicly criticsed maduekes defensive work before so i think that could be one of the main issues.
I think under emery madueke could be one of the best players in the league. The guy has some serious talent. Wra hong him link ul with rogers and ollie would be so exciting to watch
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 27, 2024, 05:43:11 PM
Napoli had scouts watching Jhon Durán yesterday.
@mattinodinapoli
Swap with Osimhen and a truckload of cash for us?
Post by: Dave on December 27, 2024, 07:22:44 PM
Conte wouldn't give a flying fuck about that.Napoli had scouts watching Jhon Durán yesterday.
@mattinodinapoli
Doubt they'd be interested in a South American footballing talent who's prone to the odd temperamental outburst.
Think you missed his reference.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 27, 2024, 07:47:36 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 27, 2024, 08:40:09 PM
More than anything else we need a pacy winger, to give us more flexibility. The Diaby loss has been big - not because he was amazing, he was decent, no more - because we really struggle to stretch play and create space when teams pressure us. Bailey has struggled, and Philogene has been useless (talking purely in terms of output). It would make a big difference to us if we had that option.
I personally think he was amazing. His form dipped when team generally dipped. He would walk into this team right now.
Post by: VillaTim on December 27, 2024, 09:34:52 PM
Napoli had scouts watching Jhon Durán yesterday.Do they have £80m swashing around
@mattinodinapoli
Post by: Dave on December 27, 2024, 10:48:12 PM
Napoli had scouts watching Jhon Durán yesterday.Do they have £80m swashing around
@mattinodinapoli
Not quite that much, but when Osimhen goes they'll have around two-thirds of it.
Post by: DC1874 on December 27, 2024, 10:58:11 PM
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Post by: VillaTim on December 27, 2024, 11:15:37 PM
Post by: andyh on December 27, 2024, 11:27:42 PM
Napoli had scouts watching Jhon Durán yesterday.Serious question…and purely for discussion.
@mattinodinapoli
Would we sell for say, £85m ?
Post by: VillaTim on December 27, 2024, 11:36:10 PM
We may not have a choice if there's a release clause triggered . I suspect there is one the way his agent seems to work .Napoli had scouts watching Jhon Durán yesterday.Serious question…and purely for discussion.
@mattinodinapoli
Would we sell for say, £85m ?
Post by: Dave on December 27, 2024, 11:46:32 PM
We may not have a choice if there's a release clause triggered . I suspect there is one the way his agent seems to work .Napoli had scouts watching Jhon Durán yesterday.Serious question…and purely for discussion.
@mattinodinapoli
Would we sell for say, £85m ?
Given the saga over the summer and the start to the season Duran had which led to us wanting to get him signed up, he'd have been doing a pretty bad job for his client had he not negotiated one in there I reckon.
Post by: KevinGage on December 28, 2024, 12:00:26 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 28, 2024, 06:26:45 AM
Unless the thinking is a swap with Osimhen and some sort of cash adjustment I don't see Napoli dropping the £80-£100 million it would take for us to go for that one.
Id take oshimen over duran 100%. Oshimen is a top player
Post by: Drummond on December 28, 2024, 07:53:03 AM
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Post by: Demitri_C on December 28, 2024, 08:52:11 AM
Back to the earlier point about minimum release clause that is a good point i never though about. If we put in 85m clause and someone wants to pay it. Nothing we can do but man that would be a great deal if that was the deal for example
Post by: Tuscans on December 28, 2024, 09:40:21 AM
You're right, thanks for the helping hand, God.Conte wouldn't give a flying fuck about that.Napoli had scouts watching Jhon Durán yesterday.
@mattinodinapoli
Doubt they'd be interested in a South American footballing talent who's prone to the odd temperamental outburst.
Think you missed his reference.
Post by: IFWaters on December 28, 2024, 10:29:46 AM
Post by: OCD on December 28, 2024, 11:02:14 AM
Jonathan David at Lille can agree a deal with a new club for the summer from 1st Jan. Any chance we could step in for another freebie and sell one of Ollie or Jhon in the summer for a nice fat profit ? David is 25 in 2 weeks, 82 goals in 161 games for Lille.
We've supposedly had our eye on him for a long time. Unfortunately, being well thought of and being on a Bosman means there will be plenty of interest.
Post by: IFWaters on December 28, 2024, 12:42:56 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 28, 2024, 12:47:16 PM
Another bargain bucket option. Borja Sainz at Norwich, 23, basque, top scorer in the championship so far, 15 goals so far.
Never seen him or even heard of him tbh but we could send Buendia the other way.
Post by: Clampy on December 28, 2024, 01:08:37 PM
Jonathan David at Lille can agree a deal with a new club for the summer from 1st Jan. Any chance we could step in for another freebie and sell one of Ollie or Jhon in the summer for a nice fat profit ? David is 25 in 2 weeks, 82 goals in 161 games for Lille.
Whenever I've seen him which admittedly is not much, I've not been that impressed.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 28, 2024, 01:20:02 PM
Jonathan David at Lille can agree a deal with a new club for the summer from 1st Jan. Any chance we could step in for another freebie and sell one of Ollie or Jhon in the summer for a nice fat profit ? David is 25 in 2 weeks, 82 goals in 161 games for Lille.
Whenever I've seen him which admittedly is not much, I've I've been that impressed.
Was expecting him to be a real threat against us when we played Lille last season in the Conference League. Might have been an off couple of games for him, but I thought he did little over the two legs.
Post by: john e on December 28, 2024, 02:56:54 PM
Unless the thinking is a swap with Osimhen and some sort of cash adjustment I don't see Napoli dropping the £80-£100 million it would take for us to go for that one.
I wouldn’t swap Durán for any other striker in the world
he’s the most exciting player with sky’s the limit potential since Grealish
If we are serious about contending and winning stuff we need to be doing everything we can to keep him which in fairness we have been up to now with the new contract etc
Post by: Mister E on December 28, 2024, 04:37:44 PM
Quote from: The Grauniad, in a piece about Forest's resurgence
"...Forest were susceptible at the back under Steve Cooper and Nuno made them stronger but failed to solve the problem of defending set pieces. To address that, a dominant centre-back arrived in Nikola Milenkovic from Fiorentina. Forest’s has become the third-best defence in the Premier League.Good scouting and would have been a perfect replacement for Carlos, perhaps.
The centre-back is willing and aggressive but, equally, he is a steady head alongside Murillo. Forest sought someone experienced, vocal and commanding, settling on Milenkovic, who had been a regular starter in Serie A for five seasons. The Serb was signed in mid-July after he was deemed the best fit to work with the left-footed Murillo in a back four."
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 28, 2024, 05:26:34 PM
The only good defensive performances we’ve had since are when we’ve played three centre-halves across the back, and they’re not consistently good performances. Konsa and Pau, both decent/adequate covering defenders, are lost without a leader, organiser and physical presence alongside them.
Post by: JJ-AV on December 28, 2024, 05:36:46 PM
We also need a right back and a back up to Pau (as when he's off form we really struggle).
I think right-side attacker is the key though. Had Bailey been the player of last season we'd probably be 4th now and not worried.
Going to be tough, I think trying to shift Buendia and Philogene is going to be the key.
Mbuemo makes the most sense, 25 and on a free in 18 months.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 28, 2024, 06:19:28 PM
Right-sided attacker for me.
We also need a right back and a back up to Pau (as when he's off form we really struggle).
I think right-side attacker is the key though. Had Bailey been the player of last season we'd probably be 4th now and not worried.
Going to be tough, I think trying to shift Buendia and Philogene is going to be the key.
Mbuemo makes the most sense, 25 and on a free in 18 months.
You don’t think Mings is (at least) good enough to be a back-up for Pau?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 28, 2024, 08:15:36 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 29, 2024, 08:23:17 AM
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 29, 2024, 08:57:36 AM
Being linked with mateo retegui from atlanta as replacementfor duran. Never heard of him. But his stats this sesson in la liga 17 matches 12 goals and 3 assists
How are Atalanta getting on in La Liga?
Post by: Dave on December 29, 2024, 08:59:30 AM
Post by: algy on December 29, 2024, 09:01:02 AM
TopReally?
Post by: Dave on December 29, 2024, 09:01:26 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 29, 2024, 09:21:41 AM
Hahhaaahahaha you gotta let me off late night drinking and have a hangover 😂Being linked with mateo retegui from atlanta as replacementfor duran. Never heard of him. But his stats this sesson in la liga 17 matches 12 goals and 3 assists
How are Atalanta getting on in La Liga?
Post by: Tuscans on December 30, 2024, 03:03:58 PM
@MailSport
There is a possibility of up to three additions in January.
@MailSport
Post by: brontebilly on December 30, 2024, 03:30:05 PM
Vocal and commanding is exactly what we’ve been missing since Mings got injured.
The only good defensive performances we’ve had since are when we’ve played three centre-halves across the back, and they’re not consistently good performances. Konsa and Pau, both decent/adequate covering defenders, are lost without a leader, organiser and physical presence alongside them.
All kinds of excuses are being made for the poor performances of those two all season. Adding Carlos into the mix is not now, and has never been, the solution.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 30, 2024, 03:38:38 PM
Being linked with mateo retegui from atlanta as replacementfor duran. Never heard of him. But his stats this sesson in la liga 17 matches 12 goals and 3 assists
How are Atalanta getting on in La Liga?
Haven't lost a game all season.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 30, 2024, 04:08:18 PM
Vocal and commanding is exactly what we’ve been missing since Mings got injured.
The only good defensive performances we’ve had since are when we’ve played three centre-halves across the back, and they’re not consistently good performances. Konsa and Pau, both decent/adequate covering defenders, are lost without a leader, organiser and physical presence alongside them.
All kinds of excuses are being made for the poor performances of those two all season. Adding Carlos into the mix is not now, and has never been, the solution.
It has been the solution many times, as long as you can remember football matches that you’ve watched. I realise this excludes you.
There can be no other explanation why somebody ignores our four most memorable games from the last 12 months, all of them defensive masterclasses, games that most people will remember for years and years.
Post by: olaftab on December 30, 2024, 04:19:04 PM
As a dominant centre half on the right what about Milan Skriniar, not getting a look in at PSGWe don't sign our rivals reserves.
Post by: brontebilly on December 30, 2024, 04:52:55 PM
Vocal and commanding is exactly what we’ve been missing since Mings got injured.
The only good defensive performances we’ve had since are when we’ve played three centre-halves across the back, and they’re not consistently good performances. Konsa and Pau, both decent/adequate covering defenders, are lost without a leader, organiser and physical presence alongside them.
All kinds of excuses are being made for the poor performances of those two all season. Adding Carlos into the mix is not now, and has never been, the solution.
It has been the solution many times, as long as you can remember football matches that you’ve watched. I realise this excludes you.
There can be no other explanation why somebody ignores our four most memorable games from the last 12 months, all of them defensive masterclasses, games that most people will remember for years and years.
Many of us don't suffer from the selective memoryitis that has dogged you for some time. For every Haaland there's a Liam Delap etc.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 30, 2024, 05:20:32 PM
Vocal and commanding is exactly what we’ve been missing since Mings got injured.
The only good defensive performances we’ve had since are when we’ve played three centre-halves across the back, and they’re not consistently good performances. Konsa and Pau, both decent/adequate covering defenders, are lost without a leader, organiser and physical presence alongside them.
All kinds of excuses are being made for the poor performances of those two all season. Adding Carlos into the mix is not now, and has never been, the solution.
It has been the solution many times, as long as you can remember football matches that you’ve watched. I realise this excludes you.
There can be no other explanation why somebody ignores our four most memorable games from the last 12 months, all of them defensive masterclasses, games that most people will remember for years and years.
Many of us don't suffer from the selective memoryitis that has dogged you for some time. For every Haaland there's a Liam Delap etc.
It’s not selective memory. We’ve been almost always fragile at the back while picking the defence you prefer. I remember all the games, and who played. Or more accurately, keep notes on my phone. On the quite rare occasions we’ve been outstanding, Konsa and Carlos have been the right side. And that’s been against teams like Bayern, Arsenal, Juventus, Bologna and Man City. All Champions League teams.
Post by: brontebilly on December 30, 2024, 10:27:24 PM
Post by: Dave on December 30, 2024, 10:29:21 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 30, 2024, 10:33:07 PM
Still, I really want someone to play on the right wing with pace. We miss Bailey and the Diaby situation massively.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 30, 2024, 11:10:55 PM
And it turns out that a spell on the bench hasn't actually turned Mings into Franco Baresi.
I was only half watching but I thought he looked pretty commanding. Did I miss something?
Post by: caster troy on December 30, 2024, 11:20:49 PM
Post by: Paul.S on December 30, 2024, 11:26:15 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 30, 2024, 11:29:38 PM
And it turns out that a spell on the bench hasn't actually turned Mings into Franco Baresi.
I was only half watching but I thought he looked pretty commanding. Did I miss something?
He was fine - but his inclusion was heralded as the answer to all our defensive woes (by some). It’s not, as evidenced by the second goal. Our issue is systemic more than it is individuals.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 30, 2024, 11:32:28 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 31, 2024, 12:44:46 AM
If we’ve got any money to spend, buy a centre half. Torres could be out for a while.
Think it might have to be a Lenglet sort of loan deal at CB for the remainder of the season. If we can only chuck real money at one position this window and a good option is there, then it has to be RB.
We need a pacy option wide right as well, but have players who can cover there if the money isn't available for both.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 31, 2024, 01:55:02 AM
*I'm not being serious... I want Bednarek.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 31, 2024, 02:56:55 AM
And it turns out that a spell on the bench hasn't actually turned Mings into Franco Baresi.
I was only half watching but I thought he looked pretty commanding. Did I miss something?
He was fine - but his inclusion was heralded as the answer to all our defensive woes (by some). It’s not, as evidenced by the second goal. Our issue is systemic more than it is individuals.
In each of his 17 PL games since the Arsenal 2-4, we’ve conceded either 0 or 1 goal while he’s been on the pitch.
Do you want to compare that to the other ‘systems’?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 31, 2024, 03:04:47 AM
But they struggle against pretty much everyone else, rubbish the pair of them yet again tonight There's a complete myth about Konsa being a solid defensive option at right back. The longer he plays there the worse he is getting, piss poor with and without the ball. That first goal was pub league stuff.
It they’ve been responsible for 15 out of our last 21 clean sheets. Hit me up with the highlights list of the defence you advocate for.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 31, 2024, 03:07:17 AM
I’d be looking at a centre half to replace Konsa or Carlos and also another right back to either replace or cover Cash as he’s out a lot over a season.
And yet in that reduced number of games he plays he manages to give away more pens than anyone else in the league and pick up enough bookings to get suspended. He might not play much but certainly makes an impact.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 31, 2024, 04:52:31 AM
And it turns out that a spell on the bench hasn't actually turned Mings into Franco Baresi.
I was only half watching but I thought he looked pretty commanding. Did I miss something?
He was fine - but his inclusion was heralded as the answer to all our defensive woes (by some). It’s not, as evidenced by the second goal. Our issue is systemic more than it is individuals.
In each of his 17 PL games since the Arsenal 2-4, we’ve conceded either 0 or 1 goal while he’s been on the pitch.
Do you want to compare that to the other ‘systems’?
Yeah sorry that I have an opinion that differs from yours, how awful of me. But personally watching how the games play out and looking back to the combinations when we were really good the team was functioning very well it’s not just a few individuals that are at the heart of this. The defence doesn’t operate in a vacuum, so you have to find the balance that gets all parts of the team working. I don’t have an issue with Mings, but long-term him playing all the time won’t suddenly bring us back to the levels we hit in the first half of last season.
Post by: steamer on December 31, 2024, 06:56:10 AM
Post by: VillaTim on December 31, 2024, 07:09:05 AM
No. Konsa / Mings are the best CB pairing . That needs re-establishing. We need a quality RB (have done for a while). Digne is fine at LB and having a good season.And it turns out that a spell on the bench hasn't actually turned Mings into Franco Baresi.
I was only half watching but I thought he looked pretty commanding. Did I miss something?
He was fine - but his inclusion was heralded as the answer to all our defensive woes (by some). It’s not, as evidenced by the second goal. Our issue is systemic more than it is individuals.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2024, 07:59:46 AM
It’s not just about who is playing, we are being exposed at the back time and time again, pretty much every time we lose possession almost any where on the field.No. Konsa / Mings are the best CB pairing . That needs re-establishing. We need a quality RB (have done for a while). Digne is fine at LB and having a good season.And it turns out that a spell on the bench hasn't actually turned Mings into Franco Baresi.
I was only half watching but I thought he looked pretty commanding. Did I miss something?
He was fine - but his inclusion was heralded as the answer to all our defensive woes (by some). It’s not, as evidenced by the second goal. Our issue is systemic more than it is individuals.
It is not just about who is playing but how the whole team is being deployed.
Post by: Ian. on December 31, 2024, 08:06:13 AM
I’d be looking at a centre half to replace Konsa or Carlos and also another right back to either replace or cover Cash as he’s out a lot over a season.
And yet in that reduced number of games he plays he manages to give away more pens than anyone else in the league and pick up enough bookings to get suspended. He might not play much but certainly makes an impact.
Right centre half, right back and most definitely a right winger. As said time and time again this seems to be our Achilles heal.
I’m not sure if this is possible in this window but I hope plans are being made for the summer.
Post by: Dave on December 31, 2024, 08:32:07 AM
And it turns out that a spell on the bench hasn't actually turned Mings into Franco Baresi.
I was only half watching but I thought he looked pretty commanding. Did I miss something?
The coherence of the defence was very similar to previous games when he wasn't playing.
Whereas the story being told while he was on the bench was that he just needed to come back into the team, be a "leader" and "organise" and things would be fine.
As Paul says, the issue isn't "Torres or Mings", the issues run deeper than that.
Post by: ROBBO on December 31, 2024, 08:51:33 AM
Post by: Villa Lew on December 31, 2024, 09:56:25 AM
Post by: TonyD on December 31, 2024, 10:01:07 AM
They will have lined this up months ago. Cough.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 31, 2024, 10:07:54 AM
Post by: Beard82 on December 31, 2024, 10:11:58 AM
We were very disciplined playing a high line, players new what to do and where to be, the defence looked in control. Yesterday any high through ball and panic sets in, Brighton had speedy wingers and put Konsa especially under pressure. It's disappointing after a top showing againsy Man City, I really thought we were going to go on a roll.Yeah I think that’s what was so frustrating- thought we had clicked.
Post by: eamonn on December 31, 2024, 10:37:49 AM
P.Walnuts copied it across to another thread when the clean-sheet argument inevitably reared its head on another discussion but I think you ignored it again. It's not like you to do that, I was quite look forward to seeing you getting your teeth into it and tackle each of the salient points head-on but it seems you refrained ?
Post by: eamonn on December 31, 2024, 10:38:40 AM
Regarding the right back position, Lamptey would be a good buy, thought he was quality last night and a well teken goal, only problem is he is injury prone.
Ah, the old "buy him after he plays well against us". I'm still waiting for Moustapha Hadji to come good for us.
Post by: Dave on December 31, 2024, 10:41:19 AM
Percy, I admire the doggedness of your argument very much, and you don't just parrot the same thing every time. It shows patience, creativity and sound logic. But...have I missed your response to the rebuttal to your overall thesis proferred by a poster on another thread a week or two ago? Think he was called Villa_Woo or something. He made a bold list of counter-arguments mostly on a macro-level.
P.Walnuts copied it across to another thread when the clean-sheet argument inevitably reared its head on another discussion but I think you ignored it again. It's not like you to do that, I was quite look forward to getting your teeth into it and tackle each of the salient points head-on but it seems you refrained ?
Close enough:
^^ Have you told lies before?
Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?
How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.
I don’t have a horse in this race either way, and this is clearly a crusade that means enough to you to bring it up several times. However, since semantics are involved:
a) that’s a false equivalence. The hypothetical Watkins debate is about number of goals, so clearly that’s a narrow quantitative metric with a clear answer. The debate is about which back 4 makes the better unit/team, not about which back 4 has conceded fewer goals.
b) While fewer goals usually means better defence, and statistics can paint a good picture, this isn’t some conclusive, objective, incontrovertible truth that you make it out to be. There’s a lot more to consider, especially if you’re going to make it a purely statistical argument.
c) the sample sizes you’ve used are decent, but not large enough to account for skews such as individual clangers etc
d) correlation is not causation. Your back 4 may have contributed to a tighter defence which concedes fewer goals, but that doesn’t imply causation in its entirety. Quality of opposition, our set up in those games, how well the midfield screened them, how well Emi played etc all contribute, amongst other a whole bunch of other things.
e) if it’s going to be part of a wider discussion about our best team, we also have to consider how that back 4 impacts our attack, not just a stat about goals conceded.
f) the beauty of football is that, unlike baseball, there are a whole lot of qualitative lenses through which holistic judgements need to be made, as opposed to a singular quantitative metric, even if that metric does play an important role in making said judgement
My wholehearted apologies to the rest of the site for drawing this argument out even further…
Post by: eamonn on December 31, 2024, 10:42:43 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 31, 2024, 01:11:06 PM
What's Lenglet up to?*
*I'm not being serious... I want Bednarek.
Currently top of La Liga on loan to Atletico Madrid.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 31, 2024, 01:12:58 PM
What's Lenglet up to?*
*I'm not being serious... I want Bednarek.
Currently top of La Liga on loan to Atletico Madrid.
Sign him up! 😉
Post by: tomd2103 on December 31, 2024, 01:23:24 PM
What's Lenglet up to?*
*I'm not being serious... I want Bednarek.
Currently top of La Liga on loan to Atletico Madrid.
I do think we could do with some experienced cover at CB for the rest of the season, especially if Torres is going to be out for some time. Chambers and Lenglet both provided that over past seasons and stepped in on occasions we were stretched back there.
A loan deal until the end of the season for that type of player could be a decent bit of business.
Post by: paul_e on December 31, 2024, 01:41:27 PM
Ah, sorry, that was it. Roo, not Woo!! And thanks Dave, no idea how you found it that quickly!
Not Percy but I think that post is the sort that is hard to respond to, not because it's impossible to argue, but rather because it has nothing to it.
a. This isn't even a point, it's a dismissal and should have been included outside the list. Aside from that it's subjective, just because some people think "best defence" and "defence that concedes the least" are different it doesn't make it a fact.
b. This, again, is a dismissal but makes no point of it's own. If goals conceded isn't a good enough measure of what makes a good defence then what else should be included?
c. The sample sizes are what they are, no one can create extra certainty but producing more results, as a statistician you work with what you have and instead of dismissing conclusions you accept that they are a best estimate. You might as well abandon all stats in football in this case and then just argue about opinion with no backup.
d. Again this isn't a menaingful point, there is always outside influence on any stats which is why you have deviation as a core part of the concept. However bringing up things like "The midfield might have played well" is looking for reasons with no evidence or basis just so you can make an argument.
e. This one is a fair point and is worth considering.
f. and we end with another non-point, and a pretty sanctimonious one at that. Might as well just say that the many millions that go into football statistics every season are a waste of money because what a couple of fans see from the stand is more important.
I don't know why Percy didn't reply and I probably shouldn't have bothered myself but it's a post that could've been a lot shorter:
"I disagree with you and I don't care if you have stats because I'm going to ignore them and just go with what I can see".
For what it's worth I don't completely agree with Percy on this, I think most good defences are built around 1 CB who will try to be dominant and 1 who offers a little more cover. Torres and Konsa are best when they're the covering player and Mings is clearly more aggressive but Carlos doesn't really do either and seems to switch between them whenever he feels like it. He's not a terrible defender but I just don't see him ever really forming a partnership with any of the rest because he's just too unpredictable. We need another Mings-like option really.
Post by: Mister E on December 31, 2024, 01:55:21 PM
... I think most good defences are built around 1 CB who will try to be dominant and 1 who offers a little more cover. Torres and Konsa are best when they're the covering player and Mings is clearly more aggressive but Carlos doesn't really do either and seems to switch between them whenever he feels like it. He's not a terrible defender but I just don't see him ever really forming a partnership with any of the rest because he's just too unpredictable. We need another Mings-like option really.This makes good sense to me.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 31, 2024, 02:43:24 PM
... I think most good defences are built around 1 CB who will try to be dominant and 1 who offers a little more cover. Torres and Konsa are best when they're the covering player and Mings is clearly more aggressive but Carlos doesn't really do either and seems to switch between them whenever he feels like it. He's not a terrible defender but I just don't see him ever really forming a partnership with any of the rest because he's just too unpredictable. We need another Mings-like option really.This makes good sense to me.
Me too. Almost everything I have said on the subject of our ‘best defence’ comes with the (often-but-not-always stated) caveat ‘without Mings’, and my consistent complaint is that Konsa/Pau is a weak partnership because neither is dominant enough. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve said that Konsa needs Mings, or Pau needs a right-footed Mings. I also think Carlos/Pau is a pretty weak partnership shored up to an extent by the presence of another central defender (Konsa), nominally playing at right-back. I don’t watch that line-up and think ‘they’re great, that’s the future’, I look at the results they get and arrive at my conclusions.
Post by: KevinGage on December 31, 2024, 05:22:09 PM
Which sounds mental initially. But then you look at some of the players they've signed in recent seasons perhaps not.
Maybe a swap + £10 million for Fikayo Tomori, if there's any interest there at all.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 31, 2024, 07:15:43 PM
Post by: Villan82 on December 31, 2024, 07:43:31 PM
I think Bailey has a bit of the Moeen Ali’s about him, supremely talented but not at all comfortable as the focal point. I think Diaby being here released the pressure on him, and I suspect a new wide forward might do similar again.
I think the Diaby element has to be factored into an analysis of Bailey's villa career. His best form in three and a half seasons has coincided with Diaby being here.
Post by: SteveN on December 31, 2024, 07:58:18 PM
Post by: Gareth on December 31, 2024, 08:36:09 PM
... I think most good defences are built around 1 CB who will try to be dominant and 1 who offers a little more cover. Torres and Konsa are best when they're the covering player and Mings is clearly more aggressive but Carlos doesn't really do either and seems to switch between them whenever he feels like it. He's not a terrible defender but I just don't see him ever really forming a partnership with any of the rest because he's just too unpredictable. We need another Mings-like option really.This makes good sense to me.
Me too. Almost everything I have said on the subject of our ‘best defence’ comes with the (often-but-not-always stated) caveat ‘without Mings’, and my consistent complaint is that Konsa/Pau is a weak partnership because neither is dominant enough. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve said that Konsa needs Mings, or Pau needs a right-footed Mings. I also think Carlos/Pau is a pretty weak partnership shored up to an extent by the presence of another central defender (Konsa), nominally playing at right-back. I don’t watch that line-up and think ‘they’re great, that’s the future’, I look at the results they get and arrive at my conclusions.
And it is a spot on conclusion - think it’s apparent that we have a soft under belly at times, sometimes we look solid but increasingly we seem short and physically weak. Far too many individual errors too.
Post by: TonyD on December 31, 2024, 09:44:34 PM
Post by: LeonW on December 31, 2024, 09:45:40 PM
... I think most good defences are built around 1 CB who will try to be dominant and 1 who offers a little more cover. Torres and Konsa are best when they're the covering player and Mings is clearly more aggressive but Carlos doesn't really do either and seems to switch between them whenever he feels like it. He's not a terrible defender but I just don't see him ever really forming a partnership with any of the rest because he's just too unpredictable. We need another Mings-like option really.This makes good sense to me.
Me too. Almost everything I have said on the subject of our ‘best defence’ comes with the (often-but-not-always stated) caveat ‘without Mings’, and my consistent complaint is that Konsa/Pau is a weak partnership because neither is dominant enough. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve said that Konsa needs Mings, or Pau needs a right-footed Mings. I also think Carlos/Pau is a pretty weak partnership shored up to an extent by the presence of another central defender (Konsa), nominally playing at right-back. I don’t watch that line-up and think ‘they’re great, that’s the future’, I look at the results they get and arrive at my conclusions.
Really? Show your homework?
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 31, 2024, 09:52:32 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 31, 2024, 09:54:05 PM
Post by: ROBBO on January 01, 2025, 03:08:34 AM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 01, 2025, 09:16:58 AM
If we manage to offload Carlos, I would imagine we will buy a replacement that can play right side of defence / right back.
Can't see us buying a forward unless we did the unthinkable and sold Watkins whilst he can still command a large fee. I think that may happen in the summer, but not likely now especially with Duran suspended.
Overall though I think the squad we have is more than capable of clicking and going on a good run to finish top 5.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2025, 09:19:04 AM
We probably need a couple of loan signings, one in defence (cover for Mings now Torres is injured) and one that can play on the wing. What's Lenglet up to?
If we manage to offload Carlos, I would imagine we will buy a replacement that can play right side of defence / right back.
Can't see us buying a forward unless we did the unthinkable and sold Watkins whilst he can still command a large fee. I think that may happen in the summer, but not likely now especially with Duran suspended.
Overall though I think the squad we have is more than capable of clicking and going on a good run to finish top 5.
I think carlos will be moved on in summer for a smallish fee as doesnt have long on his contract. Could see a loan.
For me i would go for chalobah in summer as replacement
Post by: baddowvillans on January 01, 2025, 12:36:40 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 01, 2025, 12:43:32 PM
Media reports that Villa are interested in resigning Carney "who Chelsea value at £40m". Right so the player you paid £20m for and have scarcely used costs twice what you paid for him. Dream on!
I'd file that in the 'highly unlikley' folder.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 01, 2025, 12:45:51 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 01, 2025, 01:07:19 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 01, 2025, 01:24:28 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 01, 2025, 01:25:01 PM
@lequipe
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 01, 2025, 01:48:38 PM
Aston Villa have joined the race to sign PSG forward Randal Kolo Muani.
@lequipe
They’d want a decent wedge I would imagine, if we’ve got that kind of money I hope we look elsewhere.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2025, 01:53:10 PM
Aston Villa have joined the race to sign PSG forward Randal Kolo Muani.
@lequipe
His stats look poor from when i looked this season when he wss previously linked in a exchange for duran
Post by: Somniloquism on January 01, 2025, 02:18:59 PM
Price needs to be right though and I wouldn't want him instead of our front two at the moment.
Post by: Matt C on January 01, 2025, 03:24:21 PM
Aston Villa are poised to recall Lewis Dobbin from his loan at West Brom — he has other Championship interest
Not even on the bench for them today so guess we’re about to relocate him to a club operating in this century.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2025, 04:03:24 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 01, 2025, 05:07:08 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2025, 05:46:18 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 01, 2025, 06:22:47 PM
Aston Villa have joined the race to sign PSG forward Randal Kolo Muani.
@lequipe
Would imagine walking in and seeing Martinez sat there would bring him out in a cold sweat :-)
Post by: Tuscans on January 01, 2025, 07:26:57 PM
@JPercyTelegraph
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2025, 07:30:42 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2025, 07:34:43 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2025, 07:35:32 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2025, 07:41:06 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2025, 07:44:20 PM
Post by: Dave on January 01, 2025, 07:49:17 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 01, 2025, 07:53:51 PM
What's the going rate for a young player killing it at League One level but without any pedigree higher up? Can't be more than £5-6m I'd have thought.Then it doesn’t make sense.
The summer transfer window was a shit show.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2025, 08:00:28 PM
What's the going rate for a young player killing it at League One level but without any pedigree higher up? Can't be more than £5-6m I'd have thought.
If we can't even afford to loan him out to a championship club this month and hope that he smashes it with the plan tiget more money in the summer then our finances really are in the shits
Unless of course someone has made a really good offer for hun now
Post by: john2710 on January 01, 2025, 08:03:04 PM
Post by: Dave on January 01, 2025, 08:03:11 PM
What's the going rate for a young player killing it at League One level but without any pedigree higher up? Can't be more than £5-6m I'd have thought.
If we can't even afford to loan him out to a championship club this month and hope that he smashes it with the plan tiget more money in the summer then our finances really are in the shits
Or, we think that he might not step up to Championship level so a failed half-season loan there might actually diminish his value and this is actually selling him at his highest value point.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2025, 08:15:19 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2025, 08:26:56 PM
What's the going rate for a young player killing it at League One level but without any pedigree higher up? Can't be more than £5-6m I'd have thought.
If we can't even afford to loan him out to a championship club this month and hope that he smashes it with the plan tiget more money in the summer then our finances really are in the shits
Or, we think that he might not step up to Championship level so a failed half-season loan there might actually diminish his value and this is actually selling him at his highest value point.
I dont see why they would think that when he has been tearing up league one and most likley could do as qell as archer did
Post by: Dave on January 01, 2025, 08:40:09 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2025, 09:13:33 PM
Either way this club needs to improve its revenue to compete into the future so failing to improve the capacity at Villa Park when we have the best team in a generation beggars belief.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 01, 2025, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2025, 09:15:30 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 01, 2025, 09:17:56 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2025, 09:22:04 PM
I think actual swap deals are a thing of the past. We might sell him then buy a player from the same club but as separate transactions like Kellyman/Maatsen or Iroegbunam/Dobbin.
So, player swaps then! Comes to the same thing. :- )
I wonder if we have an eye on any Sunderland players.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 01, 2025, 09:24:48 PM
I think actual swap deals are a thing of the past. We might sell him then buy a player from the same club but as separate transactions like Kellyman/Maatsen or Iroegbunam/Dobbin.
Yeah that appears the way it works now to get around FFP. We did swaps with Juve for Luiz though which for still is a strange deal when you consider the players we got included when we could have probably got players that we could have used this season e.g dean huijsen.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 01, 2025, 09:26:55 PM
I think actual swap deals are a thing of the past. We might sell him then buy a player from the same club but as separate transactions like Kellyman/Maatsen or Iroegbunam/Dobbin.
So, player swaps then! Comes to the same thing. :- )
I wonder if we have an eye on any Sunderland players.
Chris Rigg is highly rated up there.
Post by: Gareth on January 01, 2025, 09:31:12 PM
I think actual swap deals are a thing of the past. We might sell him then buy a player from the same club but as separate transactions like Kellyman/Maatsen or Iroegbunam/Dobbin.
So, player swaps then! Comes to the same thing. :- )
I wonder if we have an eye on any Sunderland players.
Chris Rigg is highly rated up there.
As is Jobe Bellingham
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2025, 09:32:50 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 01, 2025, 09:42:56 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 01, 2025, 10:40:11 PM
Antonio Silva
6'2" Benfica centre-back
67 first team appearances
17 full caps
Turned 21 in October
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 01, 2025, 10:59:55 PM
https://x.com/AVFCTheReligion/status/1874573569235325154?t=a-nG1XhNRQOO4gyMtwa7-Q&s=08
Antonio Silva
6'2" Benfica centre-back
67 first team appearances
17 full caps
Turned 21 in October
Never heard of him, but just looked him up and he’s right footed and played 13 games this season. He was on the bench in their last game against Sporting.
£45m option to buy after loan is a lot considering what we need to do with the squad but as long as it’s not an obligation, all good.
Post by: AV84 on January 01, 2025, 11:10:13 PM
Media reports that Villa are interested in resigning Carney "who Chelsea value at £40m". Right so the player you paid £20m for and have scarcely used costs twice what you paid for him. Dream on!
He's one of the ones they're looking to get rid of so entirely likely this is agents trying to drum up some interest in him.
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2025, 12:17:41 AM
Media reports that Villa are interested in resigning Carney "who Chelsea value at £40m". Right so the player you paid £20m for and have scarcely used costs twice what you paid for him. Dream on!
He's one of the ones they're looking to get rid of so entirely likely this is agents trying to drum up some interest in him.
If they make profit on Chuk then the games truly gone, and Chelsea have some of the dodgiest agents in the game working on their behalf. He's been injured and or shite for the whole time he's been there. Brilliantly talented, but done nothing to go for that money.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2025, 12:43:54 AM
How can we still have money issues? Unbelievable
From my (very) limited understanding of it, this season was always going to be tight on the PSR front wasn't it? The season we made a profit has now dropped off the rolling 3 year cycle and the £90m loss season is now season 1 isn't it?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2025, 01:38:06 AM
How can we still have money issues? Unbelievable
From my (very) limited understanding of it, this season was always going to be tight on the PSR front wasn't it? The season we made a profit has now dropped off the rolling 3 year cycle and the £90m loss season is now season 1 isn't it?
Things may become clearer in the near future. Deloitte release their survey in January, which will reveal our turnover for last season. I expect this to be around £272m, based on the interview Heck did with that Philly podcaster, in which he stated that it has increased by £54m.Then there is the UEFA survey that last season revealed our losses of £120m(ish) from the season before. I can’t remember when this was released last year. These surveys will probably lead to coverage and analysis from football finance experts, and insight from our own good people on H&V who are qualified to give further insight. (My accounts ‘O’ level doesn’t count, but I’ll put my two-penneth in).
Post by: eamonn on January 02, 2025, 01:46:20 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2025, 09:04:28 AM
How can we still have money issues? Unbelievable
From my (very) limited understanding of it, this season was always going to be tight on the PSR front wasn't it? The season we made a profit has now dropped off the rolling 3 year cycle and the £90m loss season is now season 1 isn't it?
Things may become clearer in the near future. Deloitte release their survey in January, which will reveal our turnover for last season. I expect this to be around £272m, based on the interview Heck did with that Philly podcaster, in which he stated that it has increased by £54m.Then there is the UEFA survey that last season revealed our losses of £120m(ish) from the season before. I can’t remember when this was released last year. These surveys will probably lead to coverage and analysis from football finance experts, and insight from our own good people on H&V who are qualified to give further insight. (My accounts ‘O’ level doesn’t count, but I’ll put my two-penneth in).
Cheers percy
Im interested to see these figures. If they are as bad as we think it makes you wonder why we became a bit careless with our spending over the previous seasons.
Spending 50m on onana for example doesnt seem like actions a team thats in the deep shit with FFP. I know on a 5 year contract that accounts to 10m over the next 5 years but surely if we were that screwed we wouldnt have spent that sort of money?
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2025, 09:59:00 AM
More qualifications than I have on the subject.
Post by: olaftab on January 02, 2025, 10:02:03 AM
Post by: sid1964 on January 02, 2025, 10:05:01 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2025, 10:07:12 AM
It does seem strange that we are being linked with another forward in this transfer window, maybe 1 of our current forwards is leaving us this summer?Linked with doesn’t mean anything though.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2025, 10:07:21 AM
Quote
Aston Villa accelerate transfer priority after Pau Torres injury setback
Aston Villa are reportedly exploring a deal to bring Portuguese defender Antonio Silva to the football club after losing Pau Torres for the foreseeable future to injury. Centre half regular Torres is likely to be sidelined for up to two months after hobbling off with a metatarsal injury in Monday night's 2-2 draw at home to Brighton and Hove Albion.
Villa were looking at their back-line anyway; they've kept just two clean sheets this season, those arriving in the goalless draw at home to Manchester United and the narrow victory over Southampton more recently. That's despite the fact that in Europe they've remarkably found it easier - Villa have secured four shut-outs in their six group games so far.
Torres won't be available to Unai Emery for a couple of months, though, and in that time is expected to miss a good chunk of Villa's season both at home and on the continent. While Villa's battles to keep within the boundaries of PSR are well documented, they are expected to explore deals which are within their parameters.
It's been mooted abroad that Silva, a client of renowned agent Jorge Mendes, could be an option on a loan to buy deal; Silva, 21, is a Benfica academy product and has played regularly in the first-team for the last couple of years, clocking up over 100 senior appearances despite his tender age in the process - but this year he has lost his place and found minutes harder to come by.
Silva, a full international with 17 caps - ten of which were earned in 2024 - has been likely to leave Lisbon in order to continue playing more regularly elsewhere and, as expected, he has accumulated attention from around the continent. Indeed Mendes spoke only recently in public where he indicated that Juventus were especially keen.
“The Bianconeri want him, and he wants to join them. His current team has the last word," Mendes said. "They’ll have to make a decision. We need to be patient. We’ll see what happens. He’d surely be pleased to move to Turin. The transfer market is still technically closed. He’s a very important player. He has great quality and is being pursued by the most prestigious teams in the world.”
Reports have emerged in Italy, though, that Villa are discussing a move which involves moving initially on loan but with an obligation to buy in the summer for a fee of north of £40m. Villa have Ezri Konsa, Tyrone Mings and Diego Carlos in the meantime at the heart of defence, although Konsa had to play at right-back on Monday because of the suspension of Matty Cash.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-accelerate-transfer-priority-30693070 (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-accelerate-transfer-priority-30693070)
Post by: Somniloquism on January 02, 2025, 10:07:52 AM
It does seem strange that we are being linked with another forward in this transfer window, maybe 1 of our current forwards is leaving us this summer?
Not really, everybody in the top half of the table is being linked to him.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 02, 2025, 10:10:40 AM
Lewis Dobbin has been recalled from his loan at WBA.
Forgot he was even our player.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 02, 2025, 10:28:09 AM
Forward. VK are the team we have an ‘agreement’ with (don’t think they are part owned by V Sports but some other deal).
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 02, 2025, 10:31:53 AM
🚨 Aston Villa in talks to sign Vissel Kobe forward Taisei Miyashiro. @MarcoMolla #avfc
Forward. VK are the team we have an ‘agreement’ with (don’t think they are part owned by V Sports but some other deal).
Yeah, a “collaborative partnership”.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 02, 2025, 10:49:25 AM
Post by: placeforparks on January 02, 2025, 10:57:57 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2025, 10:57:57 AM
Dunno if he's any good but a Japanese player would be fancy.
In 32 games he has 11 goals and 1 assist. Not too shabby. Also 24 years old so you would imagine he is being brought in as part of the first team
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2025, 11:00:34 AM
lots of links in germany with donyell malen from dortmund.
Whichever way you look at it Bailey is bost, it may come back at some point but we cant afford to hang around as Philogene has been shite as well.
Gerrimin.
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2025, 11:09:44 AM
Post by: Tuscans on January 02, 2025, 11:12:43 AM
@David_Ornstein
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2025, 11:17:50 AM
I dunno. Are we really in the position where we can just stockpile players that cost tens of millions of pounds just because the one very good that one that we have is out of form?.yes
Baileys has had good season out of 3 for us. He needs proper competition to get best out of him. Works for liverpool so why not us 😁
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2025, 11:23:58 AM
I dunno. Are we really in the position where we can just stockpile players that cost tens of millions of pounds just because the one very good that one that we have is out of form?
There's a valley between being very short in an area and 'stockpiling players'.
Plus, as Dimitri points out, it's starting to look like that was Bailey last season was the exception to the norm, and I know people have other views but I share the view with Olaftab that much of our failings this season come down to him and Watkins being at nowhere near the levels they found last season.
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2025, 11:26:41 AM
Dunno if he's any good but a Japanese player would be fancy.
In 32 games he has 11 goals and 1 assist. Not too shabby. Also 24 years old so you would imagine he is being brought in as part of the first team
Looks like those games are a mix of playing up front, on the left and in centre mid s it fits with a lot of the players Emery likes being pretty versatile. At a guess this looks like the sort of player you'd bring in if Buendia is going out.
Post by: Villan82 on January 02, 2025, 11:48:12 AM
I dunno. Are we really in the position where we can just stockpile players that cost tens of millions of pounds just because the one very good that one that we have is out of form?
There's a valley between being very short in an area and 'stockpiling players'.
Plus, as Dimitri points out, it's starting to look like that was Bailey last season was the exception to the norm, and I know people have other views but I share the view with Olaftab that much of our failings this season come down to him and Watkins being at nowhere near the levels they found last season.
Bailey has been disappointing most of his time here but was exceptional last season. Maybe new competition could get him firing again but I think he'll be on the way out. Such a frustrating player. Last season really showed that the ability is there but when he's off, he's really off.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2025, 11:52:03 AM
Dunno if he's any good but a Japanese player would be fancy.
In 32 games he has 11 goals and 1 assist. Not too shabby. Also 24 years old so you would imagine he is being brought in as part of the first team
Looks like those games are a mix of playing up front, on the left and in centre mid s it fits with a lot of the players Emery likes being pretty versatile. At a guess this looks like the sort of player you'd bring in if Buendia is going out.
Yeah good theory there. Buendia has offered virtually nothing im ok with him leaving. Might be good from a commercial point of view too get some Japanese fans!
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2025, 12:20:52 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 02, 2025, 12:42:29 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 02, 2025, 12:42:38 PM
Elsewhere, Lewis Dobbin will join #NCFC on loan.
@Paddy_Boyland
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2025, 12:46:42 PM
An accounts O level is more than good enough Percy.
More qualifications than I have on the subject.
Maybe if I hadn’t forgotten it all.
I think that Sport/Business bloke from Reach si really good at explaining things. Dave Powell I think his name is. He goes on the Claret & Blue podcast, as they’re from the same organisation.
I prefer him to Maguire.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 02, 2025, 01:30:00 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 02, 2025, 02:01:11 PM
WP has always impressed me, gets forward well and scores the odd goal - can play on both wide positions as well.
Surely 10m would get him
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2025, 02:04:15 PM
Wish we would go for Walker-Peters with Ned going out on loan.
WP has always impressed me, gets forward well and scores the odd goal - can play on both wide positions as well.
Surely 10m would get him
He’s out of contract at the end of the season so potentially get him for less in this window, if not he’d be a definite for me in the summer.
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2025, 02:04:30 PM
Wish we would go for Walker-Peters with Ned going out on loan.
WP has always impressed me, gets forward well and scores the odd goal - can play on both wide positions as well.
Surely 10m would get him
He's out of contract in the summer and Southampton are as good as down already. So I'd be surprised if if took anything like that much.
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2025, 02:36:30 PM
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 02, 2025, 02:38:20 PM
I don't see the point of going for someone like Walker-Peters, he's the same age as Cash and about the same in terms of ability so I'm not sure what he'd add.
Exactly. He’s fine. But so is cash. If we’re buying an upgrade (and I’m not sure with our limited resources it is the top priority) then it needs to be a substantial upgrade not someone who is broadly comparable.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2025, 02:41:41 PM
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2025, 02:42:25 PM
I don't see the point of going for someone like Walker-Peters, he's the same age as Cash and about the same in terms of ability so I'm not sure what he'd add.
Guess it depends on whether we see Ned as the long-term right-back plan. If so, it's a case of keeping the right-back position less troublesome until he's ready.
I think it's hugely unlikely that we're going to be buying one of the few really obvious upgrades on Cash this summer. So it's either (a) two "alright" players giving us depth and competition while allowing Konsa to move back inside*, (b) really going for with Ned and using him much more.
*although as Percy is fond of reminding us, the Konsa / Torres partnership isn't without its issues.
Post by: Tuscans on January 02, 2025, 02:43:38 PM
Anyone know the rules regarding players being cup-tied in the Champions League?malen can play in the later knock out stages according to talksport.
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2025, 02:43:46 PM
Anyone know the rules regarding players being cup-tied in the Champions League?
They aren't, those rules were removed a few years back (because they make no sense once you have transfer windows and should fuck off domestically as well).
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2025, 02:44:57 PM
I don't see the point of going for someone like Walker-Peters, he's the same age as Cash and about the same in terms of ability so I'm not sure what he'd add.
Exactly. He’s fine. But so is cash. If we’re buying an upgrade (and I’m not sure with our limited resources it is the top priority) then it needs to be a substantial upgrade not someone who is broadly comparable.
And I'd agree with this, but Cash is proving a bit unreliable with injuries and suspensions so actually getting someone similar but readily available for a relatively small fee might be a good shout, plus it also bolsters our centre back numbers by freeing up Konsa from that role.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 02, 2025, 02:48:55 PM
I don't see the point of going for someone like Walker-Peters, he's the same age as Cash and about the same in terms of ability so I'm not sure what he'd add.
Exactly. He’s fine. But so is cash. If we’re buying an upgrade (and I’m not sure with our limited resources it is the top priority) then it needs to be a substantial upgrade not someone who is broadly comparable.
And I'd agree with this, but Cash is proving a bit unreliable with injuries and suspensions so actually getting someone similar but readily available for a relatively small fee might be a good shout, plus it also bolsters our centre back numbers by freeing up Konsa from that role.
All good points. I just don’t think we have the financial wiggle room for, what I’d class in the “nice to have” bucket rather than the “essential” bucket.
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2025, 02:55:19 PM
I don't see the point of going for someone like Walker-Peters, he's the same age as Cash and about the same in terms of ability so I'm not sure what he'd add.
Exactly. He’s fine. But so is cash. If we’re buying an upgrade (and I’m not sure with our limited resources it is the top priority) then it needs to be a substantial upgrade not someone who is broadly comparable.
And I'd agree with this, but Cash is proving a bit unreliable with injuries and suspensions so actually getting someone similar but readily available for a relatively small fee might be a good shout, plus it also bolsters our centre back numbers by freeing up Konsa from that role.
I get the point but I think I'd just rather go for someone that improves us, about the only big positive for KWP is that he'd be fairly cheap because he's nearly out of contract but that would also mean we'd probably have to make him one of the top earners at the club, and he's just not good enough to deserve that.
Post by: Dave on January 02, 2025, 03:02:29 PM
I don't see the point of going for someone like Walker-Peters, he's the same age as Cash and about the same in terms of ability so I'm not sure what he'd add.
Exactly. He’s fine. But so is cash. If we’re buying an upgrade (and I’m not sure with our limited resources it is the top priority) then it needs to be a substantial upgrade not someone who is broadly comparable.
And I'd agree with this, but Cash is proving a bit unreliable with injuries and suspensions so actually getting someone similar but readily available for a relatively small fee might be a good shout, plus it also bolsters our centre back numbers by freeing up Konsa from that role.
I get the point but I think I'd just rather go for someone that improves us, about the only big positive for KWP is that he'd be fairly cheap because he's nearly out of contract but that would also mean we'd probably have to make him one of the top earners at the club, and he's just not good enough to deserve that.
I imagine that everyone would prefer the best possible player, but it's very difficult to see who that player is given the competition for elite right-backs that is going to happen this summer.
The (famously reliable) internet suggests that Walker-Peters is on around £36k per week at Southampton. So even if we offered him substantially more, he wouldn't be all that troublesome given what we're paying most people in the squad.
Post by: CT Villan on January 02, 2025, 03:03:33 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 02, 2025, 03:15:31 PM
Anyone know the rules regarding players being cup-tied in the Champions League?
They aren't, those rules were removed a few years back (because they make no sense once you have transfer windows and should fuck off domestically as well).
Exactly. I imagine the rule was to stop teams signing a star player once they got to a semi final or final. The January transfer window stopped that anyway.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2025, 03:28:54 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 02, 2025, 03:31:15 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2025, 03:33:06 PM
No idea of the fee or money he’s on there, but they are up against FFP aren’t they?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2025, 03:36:05 PM
Digne very much seems like an issue we need to worry about in the future, not now.
Just like signing Maatsen you mean?
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2025, 03:50:45 PM
I haven’t watched him forensically, so would welcome more informed opinions, but I’ve really liked the look of Dalot at Man Utd when he’s played right-back.
No idea of the fee or money he’s on there, but they are up against FFP aren’t they?
Me too, and I mentioned this to someone else recently and they looked at me like I'd fell from Mars.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 02, 2025, 04:01:28 PM
Digne very much seems like an issue we need to worry about in the future, not now.
Just like signing Maatsen you mean?
Kinda. Maastsen’s signing means we do not need to panic about the LB until summer 2026.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2025, 04:34:35 PM
I haven’t watched him forensically, so would welcome more informed opinions, but I’ve really liked the look of Dalot at Man Utd when he’s played right-back.I agree , as a conventional RB that is ok going forward. Not suited to the wing back role that Amorin is wedded to.
No idea of the fee or money he’s on there, but they are up against FFP aren’t they?
Pretty sure he would be available, but no idea if within our range.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2025, 05:12:44 PM
Digne very much seems like an issue we need to worry about in the future, not now.
Just like signing Maatsen you mean?
Kinds. Maastsen’s signing means we do not need to panic about the LB until summer 2026.
My point being we didn’t need to sign him as we had Digne and Moreno but still did, considerably reducing our spending power in other areas, I’m aware of the financial juggling with Chelsea but even so.
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2025, 05:27:32 PM
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 02, 2025, 05:32:53 PM
There has to be a good, athletic, up and coming young right back at can find to challenge Cash. Surely that's why you have multiple scouting teams around the world.
Isn’t his name Nedeljković? Any more ready-made and he’d be very expensive (we spent £8m on Ned and he looks q a way from being ready)
Post by: Ian. on January 02, 2025, 05:50:42 PM
Digne very much seems like an issue we need to worry about in the future, not now.
Just like signing Maatsen you mean?
Kinds. Maastsen’s signing means we do not need to panic about the LB until summer 2026.
My point being we didn’t need to sign him as we had Digne and Moreno but still did, considerably reducing our spending power in other areas, I’m aware of the financial juggling with Chelsea but even so.
I’m sure they thought Digne was off and Moreno was not looking anything like the player before his injury.
Post by: OCD on January 02, 2025, 05:54:04 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2025, 07:10:09 PM
I don't see the point of going for someone like Walker-Peters, he's the same age as Cash and about the same in terms of ability so I'm not sure what he'd add.
Avoiding playing Konsa at RB again hopefully. Think Emery would be looking for a stronger defender than KWP though he's a decent player.
Philogene obviously had a great season with Hull
last year but I did think resigning him, FFP/PSR reasons aside, was a strange call from Emery. Physically he wasn't able for PL football from the outset. Right decision to move him on to Ipswich if it comes to pass.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2025, 07:17:34 PM
Another bargain bucket option. Borja Sainz at Norwich, 23, basque, top scorer in the championship so far, 15 goals so far.
Never seen him or even heard of him tbh but we could send Buendia the other way.
He's like the player El Ghazi wanted to be but never was.
Post by: Matt C on January 02, 2025, 07:19:19 PM
Kayode's not playing much for Fiorentina if we still fancy signing him.
Forgot about him, was a pretty credible link in the summer if I remember?
Post by: Villan82 on January 02, 2025, 07:32:42 PM
Digne very much seems like an issue we need to worry about in the future, not now.
Just like signing Maatsen you mean?
Kinds. Maastsen’s signing means we do not need to panic about the LB until summer 2026.
My point being we didn’t need to sign him as we had Digne and Moreno but still did, considerably reducing our spending power in other areas, I’m aware of the financial juggling with Chelsea but even so.
I’m sure they thought Digne was off and Moreno was not looking anything like the player before his injury.
Maybe in summer 2023 but not summer 2024.
Separately, Digne is now three years with us and you'd have to say he has been a good signing. Coutinho is really the only bad bit of business we have done since promotion (talking outlay, wages, return on investment etc, I know there have been others who didn't work out)..
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 02, 2025, 07:38:45 PM
Another bargain bucket option. Borja Sainz at Norwich, 23, basque, top scorer in the championship so far, 15 goals so far.
Never seen him or even heard of him tbh but we could send Buendia the other way.
He's like the player El Ghazi wanted to be but never was.
Nice description, I’ve seen he’s been linked with Bilbao now as a replacement for Nico Williams!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 02, 2025, 09:45:07 PM
Only 21, and has played 50+ league games for them. https://x.com/AstonVillabrfc/status/1874932769073094996
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2025, 09:54:03 PM
We're rumoured to have offered €15m for Flamengo's right-back, Wesley França. The club's board have rejected the offer.
Only 21, and has played 50+ league games for them. https://x.com/AstonVillabrfc/status/1874932769073094996
Never heard of him but his highlights on Youtube make him look amazing.
Post by: Tuscans on January 02, 2025, 10:02:04 PM
@TimesSport
Post by: Ian. on January 02, 2025, 10:05:49 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 02, 2025, 10:17:45 PM
Post by: BC54 VFC on January 02, 2025, 11:28:01 PM
We're rumoured to have offered €15m for Flamengo's right-back, Wesley França. The club's board have rejected the offer.My elder son and DIL saw him play in the second-half (came on as sub) of the Flamengo v Penarol CONMEBOL Libertadores, Q-F, first leg when they were back in Rio in September. My DIL is desperate for us to sign him, especially as her family are all Flamengo fans.
Only 21, and has played 50+ league games for them. https://x.com/AstonVillabrfc/status/1874932769073094996
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 02, 2025, 11:40:39 PM
We're rumoured to have offered €15m for Flamengo's right-back, Wesley França. The club's board have rejected the offer.
Only 21, and has played 50+ league games for them. https://x.com/AstonVillabrfc/status/1874932769073094996
My elder son and DIL saw him play in the second-half (came on as sub) of the Flamengo v Penarol CONMEBOL Libertadores, Q-F, first leg when they were back in Rio in September. My DIL is desperate for us to sign him, especially as her family are all Flamengo fans.
She can tell her family he wants to join a big club. That will go down well with Flamenguistas. :)
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2025, 11:45:43 PM
Apart from the ‘Europe’ bit obvs.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 03, 2025, 12:07:46 AM
There has to be a good, athletic, up and coming young right back at can find to challenge Cash. Surely that's why you have multiple scouting teams around the world.
Isn’t his name Nedeljković? Any more ready-made and he’d be very expensive (we spent £8m on Ned and he looks q a way from being ready)
Honestly think we need a Digne type of signing at RB (ie. experienced international level.player who is probably stronger defensively) to go along with Cash in the squad. Ned out on loan in this country to get some experience.
Post by: sid1964 on January 03, 2025, 07:41:45 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 03, 2025, 09:09:29 AM
Whoever we sign lets hope that they are first 11 ready and don't just sit on the bench twiddling their thumbs for 12 months.
Or immediately sent out on loan! We need a couple of players who can immediately slot into the starting XI.
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2025, 10:26:14 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 03, 2025, 10:28:43 AM
I do like the look of that Silva we've been linked with but that's on 2 or 3 games so no idea if he's any good. As much as I love Konsa I think we should be targeting a genuine leader on the right side centre back role. We need a commanding option that organises and stands up when we need to batten it down. Forest had that as their key attribute in scouting to find Milenkovic, no coincidence their defence has improved immensely with a voice and leader in there.
Everton also have it in tarkowski. Its a vital ingredient for any back four
Post by: brontebilly on January 03, 2025, 10:50:44 AM
I do like the look of that Silva we've been linked with but that's on 2 or 3 games so no idea if he's any good. As much as I love Konsa I think we should be targeting a genuine leader on the right side centre back role. We need a commanding option that organises and stands up when we need to batten it down. Forest had that as their key attribute in scouting to find Milenkovic, no coincidence their defence has improved immensely with a voice and leader in there.
Everton also have it in tarkowski. Its a vital ingredient for any back four
Tarkowski is a very average player, Konsa is levels above him. Get Konsa back next to Mings for a few games and his form will return.
Post by: OCD on January 03, 2025, 11:09:47 AM
Post by: rooboy316 on January 03, 2025, 11:14:28 AM
To use a phrase you seem to use quite often on others, you’ve missed the point on most of the arguments I’ve raised, as well as my overall thesis, which literally started with ‘I don’t have a horse in this race either way’. So no, I’m not ignoring the stats to suit an opinion, I don’t even care strongly about either opinion. My intention was simply to highlight that a single, albeit important stat, doesn’t paint the entire picture and isn’t enough to shut down all attempts at debate. I’m not bothering to respond to each individual point you’ve raised as it’ll be tedious for everyone else reading. Pleased to see the irony in your use of the adjective ‘sanctimonious’ as part of your response, mind.Ah, sorry, that was it. Roo, not Woo!! And thanks Dave, no idea how you found it that quickly!
Not Percy but I think that post is the sort that is hard to respond to, not because it's impossible to argue, but rather because it has nothing to it.
*snipped to avoid a huge quotathon*
I don't know why Percy didn't reply and I probably shouldn't have bothered myself but it's a post that could've been a lot shorter:
"I disagree with you and I don't care if you have stats because I'm going to ignore them and just go with what I can see".
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 03, 2025, 11:46:35 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn4x29l8vlyo
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2025, 01:20:01 PM
To use a phrase you seem to use quite often on others, you’ve missed the point on most of the arguments I’ve raised, as well as my overall thesis, which literally started with ‘I don’t have a horse in this race either way’. So no, I’m not ignoring the stats to suit an opinion, I don’t even care strongly about either opinion. My intention was simply to highlight that a single, albeit important stat, doesn’t paint the entire picture and isn’t enough to shut down all attempts at debate. I’m not bothering to respond to each individual point you’ve raised as it’ll be tedious for everyone else reading. Pleased to see the irony in your use of the adjective ‘sanctimonious’ as part of your response, mind.
This is going to be a longer reply than I want and I'm going to ignore your pettiness...
I agree that no single stat captures everything and more broadly even with a complete set of stats you're never going to fully capture everything that matters. However when Percy, correctly, states that our best defence is Digne, Torres, Carlos, Konsa and provides stats that back that up the debate needs to be something more than "no, don't like those stats". It's not that I agree or disagree with their sentiment but if your aim is to be able to actually debate then you need to offer a counter-point, neither you or most of the people arguing with him have done that, so it's not that he's trying to shut down debate, it's that you're all failing in trying to join one.
As I said, I don't think that is a particularly good defence because, for me, Carlos doesn't work as a pairing with Torres (or anyone else) but it's been more effective than many of the alternatives because Konsa, for a time, worked well as a 3rd centre back and countered against wingers who want to drift inside and shoot.
If we want to use stats to look at why we're stuggling it's better to actually use them though, rather than just dismissing ones we don't like. On that basis:
Under Emery we defend passively, our stats for blocks (passes and shots), interceptions and tackles are all towards the bottom of the league but, for his first 12-18months, that was largely made up for by catching teams offside far more often than anyone else in the league (nearly 4 times a match). In addition last season we controlled possession well, averaging just under 54% and with very few defensive errors (5th least in the league).
This year our possession is far less controlled and down to 50%, our offside trap is far less effective, down to roughly 2 a game, and we're now 2nd (behind a woeful southampton) in defensive errors.
I see 2 ways forward (assuming cutting out those individual errors is essential either way), we either need to become far more aggressive in our defending (which means using Mings more and getting another player like him for the right side CB) or we need to fix our alignment for offsides and get back to catching teams out far better.
Part of the problem with the offside trap and our organisation is that we've been changing our team around a lot more than we did when things were going well, whilst rotation is good for fitness and keeping players happy it does make it harder to fix systemic issues like this so being more aggressive is probably the simpler 'fix'.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2025, 01:41:46 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 03, 2025, 01:53:58 PM
@ertansuzgun
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2025, 01:55:02 PM
That's a very good analysis paul e.
It is, although I do think you can get the offside working well again provided the combinations work, but it needs an organiser to force it through, and the individuals to really believe in it. For a period last season we did, but we seem caught between 2 stalls now. Without doubt though, Luiz going has harmed us in possession, he was so calm taking the ball from the back 4. The double pivot with him and Kamara just worked. For me we need to give Barkley a run there to try and recapture that control that allows us to push up a bit. It also moves Tielemans to 10, which is his best position by miles
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2025, 01:56:29 PM
Fenerbahçe have asked about Diego Carlos.
@ertansuzgun
Hope the forwards in Turkey are ready for a bear hug.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2025, 01:59:27 PM
I just don't think Barkley has the legs to play there for any sustained amount of time, he is also pretty poor defensively so It would create more problems than it solves.That's a very good analysis paul e.
It is, although I do think you can get the offside working well again provided the combinations work, but it needs an organiser to force it through, and the individuals to really believe in it. For a period last season we did, but we seem caught between 2 stalls now. Without doubt though, Luiz going has harmed us in possession, he was so calm taking the ball from the back 4. The double pivot with him and Kamara just worked. For me we need to give Barkley a run there to try and recapture that control that allows us to push up a bit. It also moves Tielemans to 10, which is his best position by miles
Post by: Dave on January 03, 2025, 02:00:18 PM
Fenerbahçe have asked about Diego Carlos.
@ertansuzgun
Hope the forwards in Turkey are ready for a bear hug.
Him and Söyüncü will probably be the most limbs-all-over-the-place centre-back pairing ever.
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2025, 02:08:53 PM
I just don't think Barkley has the legs to play there for any sustained amount of time, he is also pretty poor defensively so It would create more problems than it solves.That's a very good analysis paul e.
It is, although I do think you can get the offside working well again provided the combinations work, but it needs an organiser to force it through, and the individuals to really believe in it. For a period last season we did, but we seem caught between 2 stalls now. Without doubt though, Luiz going has harmed us in possession, he was so calm taking the ball from the back 4. The double pivot with him and Kamara just worked. For me we need to give Barkley a run there to try and recapture that control that allows us to push up a bit. It also moves Tielemans to 10, which is his best position by miles
I agree, I think Barkley has done really well for us this season but how we're using him is probably the best to allow that. I think we need to persist with Kamara and Onana as our main pair for now.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 03, 2025, 02:28:35 PM
I do like the look of that Silva we've been linked with but that's on 2 or 3 games so no idea if he's any good. As much as I love Konsa I think we should be targeting a genuine leader on the right side centre back role. We need a commanding option that organises and stands up when we need to batten it down. Forest had that as their key attribute in scouting to find Milenkovic, no coincidence their defence has improved immensely with a voice and leader in there.
Everton also have it in tarkowski. Its a vital ingredient for any back four
Tarkowski is a very average player, Konsa is levels above him. Get Konsa back next to Mings for a few games and his form will return.
The point was about his leadership not about how good a defender he was 🙂
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 03, 2025, 02:32:46 PM
Fenerbahçe have asked about Diego Carlos.
@ertansuzgun
Hope the forwards in Turkey are ready for a bear hug.
I can’t see anyway we’re selling a centre half now Pau is out.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 03, 2025, 02:49:11 PM
Fenerbahçe have asked about Diego Carlos.
@ertansuzgun
Hope the forwards in Turkey are ready for a bear hug.
I can’t see anyway we’re selling a centre half now Pau is out.
Not sure about that. It was widely reported we tried to move him on in the summer, so if it means we get one or more defenders Emery feels fit his system better then I could see it happening. Especially if it meant getting a player that can also play right back to compete with Konsa and Cash.
Post by: London Villan on January 03, 2025, 02:50:47 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 03, 2025, 02:51:07 PM
@FrazFletcher
Post by: 85kota on January 03, 2025, 02:51:47 PM
Fenerbahçe have asked about Diego Carlos.
@ertansuzgun
Hope the forwards in Turkey are ready for a bear hug.
I can’t see anyway we’re selling a centre half now Pau is out.
Not sure about that. It was widely reported we tried to move him on in the summer, so if it means we get one or more defenders Emery feels fit his system better then I could see it happening. Especially if it meant getting a player that can also play right back to compete with Konsa and Cash.
I agree. Given PSR there very clearly could be a one-in-one-out.
Post by: dave shelley on January 03, 2025, 03:14:24 PM
Fenerbahçe have asked about Diego Carlos.
@ertansuzgun
Hope the forwards in Turkey are ready for a bear hug.
I can’t see anyway we’re selling a centre half now Pau is out.
When Carlos plays it's like juggling with a hand grenade with the pin pulled and hoping it's a dud. Best that he leaves.
Post by: aj2k77 on January 03, 2025, 03:18:28 PM
Fenerbahçe have asked about Diego Carlos.
@ertansuzgun
If the've asked us if he's any good I hope we lied and told them he's brilliant.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 03, 2025, 04:03:04 PM
We're rumoured to have offered €15m for Flamengo's right-back, Wesley França. The club's board have rejected the offer.
Only 21, and has played 50+ league games for them. https://x.com/AstonVillabrfc/status/1874932769073094996
They had agreed to sell him to Atalanta last summer for €16m with an additional €4m in add-ons. Barca are rumoured to have offered €22m but there's little evidence to back that up.
I'd forget Antonio Silva at Benfica, they've said they don't want to sell any players this window and the only way he'd be leaving is if somebody offered his €100m release clause. Either way he's be expensive and not within out January budget.
Post by: BC54 VFC on January 03, 2025, 09:38:38 PM
Ha ha. To be fair, her parents have become Villa fans and watch our matches on TV whenever they are able!We're rumoured to have offered €15m for Flamengo's right-back, Wesley França. The club's board have rejected the offer.
Only 21, and has played 50+ league games for them. https://x.com/AstonVillabrfc/status/1874932769073094996
My elder son and DIL saw him play in the second-half (came on as sub) of the Flamengo v Penarol CONMEBOL Libertadores, Q-F, first leg when they were back in Rio in September. My DIL is desperate for us to sign him, especially as her family are all Flamengo fans.
She can tell her family he wants to join a big club. That will go down well with Flamenguistas. :)
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2025, 11:09:56 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 03, 2025, 11:10:51 PM
Asked Unai Emery about Louie Barry's future: He is really performing very well. We want to introduce him again with us here and to take again another decision with him. But he has potential. We are happy with him. If he can help us, he will do it."
Emery: "But in case, his progression is better to go on loan and to play more minutes and confidence, playing at a higher level than he has played, of course, is the plan with him."
Currently, Louie Barry has a minor injury, but once back in training Emery says #AVFC will decide on his long-term future, be it a loan or a permanent move.
Emery on signing a right-back: "With Kosta we have a plan. We wanted him to do pre-season & wanted him part of the squad for the first part of the season.
"It’s one option to let him go on loan. In case he goes on loan, we are trying to find something on the right side.
Post by: ROBBO on January 04, 2025, 03:51:24 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 04, 2025, 09:35:12 AM
Aston Villa scouts have been impressed by 15 year old Saudi winger Ali Al-Makki.
@FrazFletcher
I hope he joins us, his name lends itself very well to a Rock the Casbah chant.
Post by: AV84 on January 04, 2025, 09:44:57 AM
Aston Villa scouts have been impressed by 15 year old Saudi winger Ali Al-Makki.
@FrazFletcher
I hope he joins us, his name lends itself very well to a Rock the Casbah chant.
Or the song from Aladdin. "Prince Ali, fabulous he, Ali Ababwa".
"Al-Makki, came from Saudi, Ali Al-Makki"
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 04, 2025, 12:50:32 PM
It befuddles me that we have to worry about spending when Man City who have over a hundred offences still outstanding with apparently no penalty forthcoming.
But we have no idea whether they have penalties incoming. If they weren't worried about the prospect, it would have been settled years ago.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 04, 2025, 10:29:38 PM
Quote
Paris St-Germain are set for talks with Aston Villa over a cash-plus-player swap deal involving France forward Randal Kolo Muani, 26, and Colombia striker Jhon Duran, 21.
You can guess which wankstain site the above "knowledge" came from before the BBC picked it for their gossip page.
Post by: olaftab on January 04, 2025, 10:36:29 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 04, 2025, 10:42:14 PM
Post by: steamer on January 05, 2025, 07:16:21 AM
Sounds like Levy is advising them
Post by: Dave on January 05, 2025, 08:17:19 AM
QuoteParis St-Germain are set for talks with Aston Villa over a cash-plus-player swap deal involving France forward Randal Kolo Muani, 26, and Colombia striker Jhon Duran, 21.
You can guess which wankstain site the above "knowledge" came from before the BBC picked it for their gossip page.
Cool, if they want Duran then it's £100m. If they want to include Kolo Muani as well, then we can call it Kolo Muani plus £97m.
Post by: Tuscans on January 05, 2025, 08:30:16 PM
@marcosbenito9
A right-sided centre back, full back.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 05, 2025, 08:40:15 PM
Aston Villa are interested in Óscar Mingueza.
€20m release clause, apparently. https://x.com/Aaronvalden77/status/1876002120383791463
Post by: Tuscans on January 05, 2025, 08:45:20 PM
So £16.5 million...pretty cheap for a 25 year old right back these days...if he's any good of course. I think Moreno was about £13 mill and a few years older. Digne £25 mill, Cash £16 mill.Aston Villa are interested in Óscar Mingueza.
€20m release clause, apparently. https://x.com/Aaronvalden77/status/1876002120383791463
Post by: Somniloquism on January 05, 2025, 10:14:44 PM
3-1 win against Valencia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP2P49tmAeo),
Played LM/WB.
Poor defensively at 0.47
Lovely goal at 1 min.
Lovely assist at 1:13
3-4 loss against Villareal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9MtFLlr-R8)
Lovely shot at 1:04 but keeper.....(plus we get his full name mentioned for pronunciation and mention he likes to hit from distance.) Also doesn't show the pass but he almost set up another straight after on highlights.
Lovely cross assist from deep right at 2:25.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2025, 10:18:56 PM
Aston Villa are interested in Óscar Mingueza.
€20m release clause, apparently. https://x.com/Aaronvalden77/status/1876002120383791463
That looks like a classic case of agent putting rumours out there (given that it says Celta want to renew his contract with a higher release clause).
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2025, 10:32:21 AM
Aston Villa are interested in Óscar Mingueza.
€20m release clause, apparently. https://x.com/Aaronvalden77/status/1876002120383791463
That looks like a classic case of agent putting rumours out there (given that it says Celta want to renew his contract with a higher release clause).
A bit more from Romano on it. https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1876214157151981607
Post by: Demitri_C on January 06, 2025, 10:33:47 AM
Aston Villa are interested in Óscar Mingueza.
€20m release clause, apparently. https://x.com/Aaronvalden77/status/1876002120383791463
That looks like a classic case of agent putting rumours out there (given that it says Celta want to renew his contract with a higher release clause).
A bit more from Romano on it. https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1876214157151981607
Cheers looks like there might be legs to that. Dont know much about him but hearing he can play in a few positions is appealing
EDIT
This sounds promising about him
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.football-espana.net/2024/08/27/celta-vigo-defender-oscar-mingueza-becoming-unlikely-attacking-star/amp
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 10:54:49 AM
@reluctantnicko
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 10:55:03 AM
@theathletic
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2025, 11:00:50 AM
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 11:06:41 AM
@MatteMoretto
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 06, 2025, 11:22:35 AM
@johntownley11
Donyell Malen has reportedly agreed terms with Aston Villa, who remain in talks with Borussia Dortmund over a deal to sign the Dutch international.
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 11:25:43 AM
John TownleyPretty sure Townley waits for what the Athletic report and swoops in with his article an hour after.
@johntownley11
Donyell Malen has reportedly agreed terms with Aston Villa, who remain in talks with Borussia Dortmund over a deal to sign the Dutch international.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 06, 2025, 11:43:30 AM
John TownleyPretty sure Townley waits for what the Athletic report and swoops in with his article an hour after.
@johntownley11
Donyell Malen has reportedly agreed terms with Aston Villa, who remain in talks with Borussia Dortmund over a deal to sign the Dutch international.
I haven't seen Athletic report that today, and given he's the Villa reporter for the local paper I'd imagine he'd have a little insight. Also, so what?
Post by: KevinGage on January 06, 2025, 12:00:21 PM
It might be better with Townley on the beat but I wouldn't be so sure.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 06, 2025, 12:02:01 PM
Post by: dekko on January 06, 2025, 01:10:50 PM
John TownleyPretty sure Townley waits for what the Athletic report and swoops in with his article an hour after.
@johntownley11
Donyell Malen has reportedly agreed terms with Aston Villa, who remain in talks with Borussia Dortmund over a deal to sign the Dutch international.
Sadly the mail haven't reported anything aside from what they get told in the press conferences since the much maligned Greggg Evans left.
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2025, 01:10:54 PM
Pretty sure Tanswell in the Athletic reported it....about an hour before lolJohn TownleyPretty sure Townley waits for what the Athletic report and swoops in with his article an hour after.
@johntownley11
Donyell Malen has reportedly agreed terms with Aston Villa, who remain in talks with Borussia Dortmund over a deal to sign the Dutch international.
I haven't seen Athletic report that today, and given he's the Villa reporter for the local paper I'd imagine he'd have a little insight. Also, so what?
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2025, 02:26:45 PM
Derby County are pushing on with a loan move for Louie Barry.
@reluctantnicko
Reluctant Nicko...had forgotten about him. If he's still at this game he can hardly be that reluctant anymore. Unless he's referring to his namesake agreeing to those interviews with Frost.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 06, 2025, 02:39:02 PM
Pretty sure Tanswell in the Athletic reported it....about an hour before lolJohn TownleyPretty sure Townley waits for what the Athletic report and swoops in with his article an hour after.
@johntownley11
Donyell Malen has reportedly agreed terms with Aston Villa, who remain in talks with Borussia Dortmund over a deal to sign the Dutch international.
I haven't seen Athletic report that today, and given he's the Villa reporter for the local paper I'd imagine he'd have a little insight. Also, so what?
Lol, well i didn't see it so apologies to both of you. Absolute pedantic, know it all tossers.
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2025, 02:48:30 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 06, 2025, 02:58:54 PM
Sky reporting that Juve want to loan out Luiz with obligation to purchase at the end of the season and two PL clubs are showing an interest. Would we want him back? Do we ned him say as back up for Youri?
Big yes from me tbh. But i dont think unai will want him back unfortunately
Rumoured to be off to citeh
Post by: paul_e on January 06, 2025, 03:00:41 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 06, 2025, 03:01:04 PM
Sky reporting that Juve want to loan out Luiz with obligation to purchase at the end of the season and two PL clubs are showing an interest. Would we want him back? Do we ned him say as back up for Youri?I would love him back - but with FFP constraints, I think we're probably pretty well covered.
Does make me cringe though where he could end up...
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2025, 03:03:57 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 06, 2025, 03:24:16 PM
Lol, well i didn't see it so apologies to both of you. Absolute pedantic, know it all tossers.
The real Corey Feldman wouldn’t be so mean.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 06, 2025, 03:24:16 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 06, 2025, 03:25:45 PM
I don't think it suits anyone involved for him to come back in this window, even if it makes sense and would be a good option.
I'd love him back, but the reality is we don't have room for him in the squad, and it would be an amount of money we currently can't afford. I don't think Juve will get all of their money back, but he'll still be £30m+ I'd imagine. If Barkley were sold, then we could make room, but he's been doing fine, and more importantly, he isn't making noises about not getting loads of minutes. Dougie wouldn't be the automatic first-choice he was if he came back.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 06, 2025, 03:30:21 PM
I don't think it suits anyone involved for him to come back in this window, even if it makes sense and would be a good option.
I'd love him back, but the reality is we don't have room for him in the squad, and it would be an amount of money we currently can't afford. I don't think Juve will get all of their money back, but he'll still be £30m+ I'd imagine. If Barkley were sold, then we could make room, but he's been doing fine, and more importantly, he isn't making noises about not getting loads of minutes. Dougie wouldn't be the automatic first-choice he was if he came back.
They’re prepared to let him go on loan with an obligation to buy, so maybe we’d have room (PSR-wise) if it could be pushed back to after 30th June?
That said, I think Man City and maybe Arsenal might be interested, and he’d probably pick one of them.
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 03:30:26 PM
Coming across like a Lost Boy.
Lol, well i didn't see it so apologies to both of you. Absolute pedantic, know it all tossers.
The real Corey Feldman wouldn’t be so mean.
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2025, 03:31:30 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 03:49:59 PM
I preferred Haim.Mmmm, Haim, egg and chips.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 06, 2025, 03:52:24 PM
I’ll cry if he turns out for anyone else. But I think he will.
If citeh are interested he will go back there even if we made a offer. I always felt he would have jumped at the chance to gi back to citeh if they matched the minimum clause that they had
Post by: brontebilly on January 06, 2025, 04:06:40 PM
Sky reporting that Juve want to loan out Luiz with obligation to purchase at the end of the season and two PL clubs are showing an interest. Would we want him back? Do we ned him say as back up for Youri?
Backup to Tielemans? Emery is already moving Tielemans out of the position Luiz thrived in next to Kamara. Anywhere near his best and fully focused, Luiz walks back into the team and improves us immediately. But we spent huge money on his replacement Onana so leaving aside FFP/PSR reasons it's not going to happen.
If he ends up at Arsenal or Man City, I think we will feel like we were had a bit by Luiz/Juve last summer. Was this always the end game for him? Tottenham have loads of money to spend, Man United...he improves those two immediately too.
Post by: Gareth on January 06, 2025, 04:08:13 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2025, 04:09:15 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 04:23:05 PM
@SkyKaveh
Post by: Demitri_C on January 06, 2025, 04:25:27 PM
Fenerbahçe are willing to pay £10m for Diego Carlos.
@SkyKaveh
Take the money and run villa
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 06, 2025, 04:32:56 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 06, 2025, 04:48:49 PM
Fenerbahçe are willing to pay £10m for Diego Carlos.
@SkyKaveh
Ffs, get it done!
Post by: villadelph on January 06, 2025, 04:56:17 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 06, 2025, 04:57:10 PM
Post by: 85kota on January 06, 2025, 04:58:55 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2025, 05:05:56 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 06, 2025, 05:09:05 PM
For £10m it would likely be done. We will make do with what we've got.
Two centre back's for the next two months, one of who has only only started 3 games in 18 months? Not a good idea is it?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 06, 2025, 05:12:51 PM
Post by: OCD on January 06, 2025, 05:21:11 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2025, 05:27:37 PM
Would they be considering Bogart as an option ? talk about thrown into the deep end
You'd hope that someone called Lamare would be able to handle being thrown in at the deep end.
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 05:27:49 PM
Would they be considering Bogart as an option ? talk about thrown into the deep endI wonder at some point in his life he didn't know what a 1-2 was and he held on to the pass and someone had to shout, "Play it again."
Post by: olaftab on January 06, 2025, 05:32:23 PM
Are we even in a position to offload a CB?No but we are in a position to offload Carlos.
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2025, 05:33:40 PM
Not Villa related, but surely the most random transfer link of the window. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cdek8e5zp77o
Dean Windass in Brazil is a doc I'd certainly watch a few minutes of.
Post by: Gareth on January 06, 2025, 05:43:27 PM
As with other recruits it all comes down to budget available. Reality is we could do with 2 players (right back / right mid) in at least the 30m+ bracket…only the club will know if we can do those types of deals.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 06, 2025, 06:17:00 PM
I don't rate Carlos, and would be happy to move him on, but only if his replacement is a. better and b. here before.
Post by: brontebilly on January 06, 2025, 06:30:28 PM
Carlos might not be the long term answer but if you are bringing in a centre half in January likely from another league you have to be very certain that they can hit the ground running, are strong enough to not have to adapt to the physicality and have the technical ability to play the way we do from the back….not sure we can get that for 10m to replace Carlos. You look at Todibo / Yoro both hugely rated, both took time to bed in and they came in preseason.
As with other recruits it all comes down to budget available. Reality is we could do with 2 players (right back / right mid) in at least the 30m+ bracket…only the club will know if we can do those types of deals.
Carlos isn't the short term answer either, he's completely unsuited to what Emery wants from his centre backs. 18 months left on his deal I think and must be on a very decent wage as he was highly
sought after when we got him. Emery sold Danny Ings without a replacement in Jan so won't shy away from selling Carlos if we get any kind of bid around 10m. But I get the sense Carlos is happy enough at Villa Park, Fulham would have been a great move for him last summer but it didn't happen, and won't be in a rush to leave for more regular football than he gets with us. Not sure his body is able for it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 06, 2025, 07:15:37 PM
Agree with Gareth, by and large.
I don't rate Carlos, and would be happy to move him on, but only if his replacement is a. better and b. here before.
Agree entirely.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 06, 2025, 07:26:14 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2025, 07:36:03 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 06, 2025, 07:37:33 PM
I'd be happy enough with bogarde filling in for Carlos if it came to it
Kamara might be an option too.
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2025, 07:39:46 PM
I'd be happy enough with bogarde filling in for Carlos if it came to it
Kamara might be an option too.
Fuck that! Makes us worse in two positions.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 06, 2025, 07:41:41 PM
Carlos is like a leaky stand pipe tap. Yeah, you need to replace it, but taking it out without doing do is just going to make things worse.
I love it when you talk leaky stand pipes. Next time you must tell me what they are.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 06, 2025, 07:43:12 PM
I'd be happy enough with bogarde filling in for Carlos if it came to it
No way, he’s not ready to be one of three starting centre halves.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 06, 2025, 07:43:55 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 06, 2025, 07:45:54 PM
Post by: FatSam on January 06, 2025, 07:47:05 PM
Would they be considering Bogart as an option ? talk about thrown into the deep endHere’s looking at you kid.
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 07:51:33 PM
Play it again FatSamWould they be considering Bogart as an option ? talk about thrown into the deep endHere’s looking at you kid.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2025, 07:54:20 PM
Would they be considering Bogart as an option ? talk about thrown into the deep endHere’s looking at you kid.
Play it again FatSam
*QI Klaxon sounds*
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 06, 2025, 08:00:41 PM
Filling in for Carlos on the bench though, no probs at all.
Well that means zero injuries, no thanks. It would be an insane risk.
Post by: Gareth on January 06, 2025, 08:14:43 PM
I'd be happy enough with bogarde filling in for Carlos if it came to it
No way, he’s not ready to be one of three starting centre halves.
Agree Paul, down the spine of the pitch we don’t want to be playing unproven kids…Bogarde, Swinkels, Feeney and Smith all look to be centre halves with potential…wouldn’t fancy a couple of months with any of them as 3rd choice if we are going to pursue Champs League and finishing high on Prem. I’m also not a huge fan of Carlos but he isn’t he isn’t awful as some seem to paint him out to be.
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 08:51:58 PM
@tjuanmarti
Can't even register the players they do have.
Post by: brontebilly on January 06, 2025, 08:53:08 PM
I'd be happy enough with bogarde filling in for Carlos if it came to it
Bogarde is miles off the required standard. Don't see him ever being PL level in all honesty. We have been scouting the RB/RCB position for some time so I expect Monchi should have a few options to replace Carlos and compete with Cash if it comes to it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 06, 2025, 08:58:05 PM
I'd be happy enough with bogarde filling in for Carlos if it came to it
No way, he’s not ready to be one of three starting centre halves.
Agree Paul, down the spine of the pitch we don’t want to be playing unproven kids…Bogarde, Swinkels, Feeney and Smith all look to be centre halves with potential…wouldn’t fancy a couple of months with any of them as 3rd choice if we are going to pursue Champs League and finishing high on Prem. I’m also not a huge fan of Carlos but he isn’t he isn’t awful as some seem to paint him out to be.
It would be staggeringly reckless and I can’t imagine they’re considering it without a replacement.
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2025, 09:00:08 PM
Emery sold Danny Ings without a replacement in Jan so won't shy away from selling Carlos if we get any kind of bid around 10m.
It was interesting to read a couple of weeks ago that we were close to landing Nicolas Jackson January two years ago in the window where he went to Chelsea. I wonder were we confident of that happening and planning to blood him slowly with under-study time for Ollie while Jackson learned the PL ropes. And in the process Ings leaving would be somewhat mitigated.
Of course Durán joined the same month but his subsequent development and rise can't have been anticipated.
And in the event we had a stellar spring 2023 with no real replacement for Ollie.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 06, 2025, 11:06:52 PM
I'd be happy enough with bogarde filling in for Carlos if it came to it
No way, he’s not ready to be one of three starting centre halves.
Agree Paul, down the spine of the pitch we don’t want to be playing unproven kids…Bogarde, Swinkels, Feeney and Smith all look to be centre halves with potential…wouldn’t fancy a couple of months with any of them as 3rd choice if we are going to pursue Champs League and finishing high on Prem. I’m also not a huge fan of Carlos but he isn’t he isn’t awful as some seem to paint him out to be.
It would be staggeringly reckless and I can’t imagine they’re considering it without a replacement.
Indeed, absolutely fucking nuts.
Post by: ozzjim on January 06, 2025, 11:28:24 PM
Post by: sid1964 on January 07, 2025, 05:57:10 AM
Post by: eye digress on January 07, 2025, 06:11:44 AM
If we can get £10m for Carlos we should be scouring for a half decent centre back on loan. Chelsea has a couple that they still won't play despite injuries, that could do a job possibly on loan.Though rumoured to be poised to recall Chalobah from Palace… so they don’t sound like they have surplus.
Felt that pre-season was the moment to get shot of Carlos, but it’s a bit risky now.
Post by: Rigadon on January 07, 2025, 06:19:14 AM
https://talksport.com/football/2445385/jhon-duran-aston-villa-fee-transfer-rumours/
I can actually believe the release clause is somewhere in that region. But can’t imagine ‘can’t sign their actual players’ Barcelona would be able to stump that up. PSG? Who knows.
If there’s genuine interest from these clubs, it’s hard to see him not having his head turned.
Post by: andyh on January 07, 2025, 06:49:24 AM
Post by: Rigadon on January 07, 2025, 07:00:19 AM
Post by: thick_mike on January 07, 2025, 07:03:16 AM
Post by: Rigadon on January 07, 2025, 07:05:54 AM
£60m to save you a scroll past the pop ups.
Ah yes, good shout.
Post by: frank black on January 07, 2025, 07:16:24 AM
Post by: Ian. on January 07, 2025, 07:29:33 AM
Post by: cdward on January 07, 2025, 07:31:12 AM
"Barcelona sporting director Deco has already met with Duran's representatives for informal talks to let the Aston Villa striker know he is on the radar of the Catalan club."
Err isn't this known as tapping up, thought this was not allowed, or is it just accepted now that it happens.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 07, 2025, 08:01:02 AM
We’re not selling Duran in this window, it would be crazy on all fronts.
Yep.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 07, 2025, 08:23:29 AM
From the BBC Gossip pages
"Barcelona sporting director Deco has already met with Duran's representatives for informal talks to let the Aston Villa striker know he is on the radar of the Catalan club."
Err isn't this known as tapping up, thought this was not allowed, or is it just accepted now that it happens.
think it's very much allowed (or at least accepted now).
Absolutely no way we should be selling Duran a) for what he offers right now and b) for what he could offer in the future but if some of the really big fish come calling, it's difficult to see him not throwing his toys out the pram given he was all up for joining West Ham in the Summer...
Post by: frank black on January 07, 2025, 08:27:32 AM
We’re not selling Duran in this window, it would be crazy on all fronts.
Yep.
We wouldn’t choose to, but we might not be able to refuse
Post by: Beard82 on January 07, 2025, 08:28:07 AM
I often think how pissed off West Ham must be for not just paying the moneyFrom the BBC Gossip pages
"Barcelona sporting director Deco has already met with Duran's representatives for informal talks to let the Aston Villa striker know he is on the radar of the Catalan club."
Err isn't this known as tapping up, thought this was not allowed, or is it just accepted now that it happens.
think it's very much allowed (or at least accepted now).
Absolutely no way we should be selling Duran a) for what he offers right now and b) for what he could offer in the future but if some of the really big fish come calling, it's difficult to see him not throwing his toys out the pram given he was all up for joining West Ham in the Summer...
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 07, 2025, 08:31:51 AM
We shouldn’t be getting rid of Carlos unless we replace him either. Leaving ourselves with Mings and Konsa as our only fit senior centre halves would be negligent, to say the least.
I doubt either will happen.
Post by: Dave on January 07, 2025, 08:52:53 AM
I often think how pissed off West Ham must be for not just paying the moneyFrom the BBC Gossip pages
"Barcelona sporting director Deco has already met with Duran's representatives for informal talks to let the Aston Villa striker know he is on the radar of the Catalan club."
Err isn't this known as tapping up, thought this was not allowed, or is it just accepted now that it happens.
think it's very much allowed (or at least accepted now).
Absolutely no way we should be selling Duran a) for what he offers right now and b) for what he could offer in the future but if some of the really big fish come calling, it's difficult to see him not throwing his toys out the pram given he was all up for joining West Ham in the Summer...
On the other hand, if they had signed him he probably would have immediately stopped on his trajectory of being the most exciting young striker in the world and turned into Jozy Altidore like every other player that turns up at the strikers' graveyard.
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2025, 08:55:25 AM
He probably assumed the situation wouldn't change much but it has, so although I'm not saying his head wouldn't be turned, the circumstances have changed quite a bit since the summer.
Post by: Villan82 on January 07, 2025, 10:04:54 AM
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2025, 10:14:08 AM
Post by: DB on January 07, 2025, 10:53:04 AM
Barcelona can't even afford to sign players they've already got.
Isn’t Olmo a free agent now from this year as they cannot register him? So, why they are being linked with new players if beyond me.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 07, 2025, 11:00:31 AM
Obv big if though
Post by: Tuscans on January 07, 2025, 11:48:13 AM
Post by: olaftab on January 07, 2025, 11:58:50 AM
Not registrable but not a free agent. You can have a contract with any club and they can pay you but they can only play you once you are registered with the League/Association your owner club plays in.Barcelona can't even afford to sign players they've already got.Isn’t Olmo a free agent now from this year as they cannot register him? So, why they are being linked with new players if beyond me.
Post by: olaftab on January 07, 2025, 12:01:33 PM
From the BBC Gossip pagesDuran and any other footballer have the same rights as you and me.
"Barcelona sporting director Deco has already met with Duran's representatives for informal talks to let the Aston Villa striker know he is on the radar of the Catalan club."
Err isn't this known as tapping up, thought this was not allowed, or is it just accepted now that it happens.
Post by: DB on January 07, 2025, 12:20:50 PM
Not registrable but not a free agent. You can have a contract with any club and they can pay you but they can only play you once you are registered with the League/Association your owner club plays in.Barcelona can't even afford to sign players they've already got.Isn’t Olmo a free agent now from this year as they cannot register him? So, why they are being linked with new players if beyond me.
Ah ok, thanks.
The overall point that Barca are not in a good place to sign players like Duran.
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 07, 2025, 12:27:54 PM
Did hear on Talksport that he couldn't play for Spain because he's not registered, perhaps I misheard it?Barcelona can't even afford to sign players they've already got.
Isn’t Olmo a free agent now from this year as they cannot register him? So, why they are being linked with new players if beyond me.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 07, 2025, 12:52:27 PM
Dortmund keen on the Rashford deal. Could be the catalyst for Malen to move.
Massive downgrade for them. Rashfords such a over rated player
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 07, 2025, 12:58:57 PM
Dortmund keen on the Rashford deal. Could be the catalyst for Malen to move.
Massive downgrade for them. Rashfords such a over rated player
Not sure about that. When his head is right he is a very effective player, and I can certainly see him doing very well in the lacklustre Bundesliga.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 07, 2025, 01:19:47 PM
OUT Duran £60m + IN Malen £20m
OUT Carlos £10m + IN Spanish lad £20m
£30m profit and bodies to replace the departing players?
Not my preference, but the above might make sense, if it is a case of WHEN rather than IF we need to sell a top player.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 07, 2025, 01:35:28 PM
Dortmund keen on the Rashford deal. Could be the catalyst for Malen to move.
Dortmund are also keen on taking him on loan with an option to buy and ManU paying two thirds of his salary. It's widely reported that Rashford is on £325k a week with a contract until 2028. And you wonder why he's reluctant to move.
EDIT: It seems Italy rather than Germany is where he prefers to be. Milan interested.
Post by: Monty on January 07, 2025, 01:46:37 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2025, 01:51:22 PM
Hypothetically, would the below solve our PSR/FFP problems for the foreseeable?
OUT Duran £60m + IN Malen £20m
OUT Carlos £10m + IN Spanish lad £20m
£30m profit and bodies to replace the departing players?
Not my preference, but the above might make sense, if it is a case of WHEN rather than IF we need to sell a top player.
Profit is largely irrelevant in this but lets make a few assumptions:
Wages for Duran & Carlos are pretty much the same as Malen & RB
Duran has a current 'book value' of ~£8-9m
Carlos has a current 'book value' of ~£10-11m
Both signings are on 5 1/2 year deals.
On that basis we'd make a profit of around £50m but we'd add about £8m a year to our costs.
All that said I don't think Malen is in any way intended to replace Duran and I think the only way Duran leaves in this window (or next summer) is if there's a release clause that gets triggered.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 07, 2025, 01:53:56 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2025, 01:55:40 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 07, 2025, 02:01:10 PM
@SERDepValencia
Unai Emery won’t sanction a loan until a replacement is signed.
@La_SER
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 07, 2025, 02:19:57 PM
Valencia have contacted Aston Villa to find out the conditions of a possible transfer for Kosta Nedeljković.
@SERDepValencia
Shall we just buy Valencia and let them be our feeder club?
Post by: eamonn on January 07, 2025, 04:11:27 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 07, 2025, 04:58:12 PM
Valencia have contacted Aston Villa to find out the conditions of a possible transfer for Kosta Nedeljković.
@SERDepValencia
Unai Emery won’t sanction a loan until a replacement is signed.
@La_SER
No rules in Spain about loaning more than one player from the same club then?
Post by: Dave on January 07, 2025, 05:04:10 PM
Valencia have contacted Aston Villa to find out the conditions of a possible transfer for Kosta Nedeljković.
@SERDepValencia
Unai Emery won’t sanction a loan until a replacement is signed.
@La_SER
No rules in Spain about loaning more than one player from the same club then?
FIFA rules are no more than three from a single club, which I assume is how Spain do it throughout their leagues.
We've got all of Wright, Munroe and Mosquera on loan at Real Union for example.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 07, 2025, 05:08:53 PM
Valencia have contacted Aston Villa to find out the conditions of a possible transfer for Kosta Nedeljković.
@SERDepValencia
Unai Emery won’t sanction a loan until a replacement is signed.
@La_SER
No rules in Spain about loaning more than one player from the same club then?
FIFA rules are no more than three from a single club, which I assume is how Spain do it throughout their leagues.
We've got all of Wright, Munroe and Mosquera on loan at Real Union for example.
I thought it was no more than one player in England, am I wrong or we’ve decided to implement our own rules that no other country follows?
Post by: Dave on January 07, 2025, 05:14:23 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 07, 2025, 05:20:23 PM
The second, and I think it's Premier League specific rather than the FA.
Ah ok. Cheers
Post by: olaftab on January 07, 2025, 05:21:42 PM
Not sure about that. When his head is right he is a very effective player,Yes you are right once on a Tuesday in a season.
Post by: olaftab on January 07, 2025, 05:29:16 PM
OUT Duran £60m + IN Malen £20mYes BUT...Diaby and Duran absolutely top draw Champions League class whilst Malen and "the Spanish lad" are good but unlikely to be great. If we do get rid of Duran after Diaby it means once again in the history of this club we have looked at peak and turned back.
OUT Carlos £10m + IN Spanish lad £20m
By the way I know you don't recommend that we do this deal.
Post by: Tuscans on January 07, 2025, 05:34:43 PM
Diaby is certainly not and never has been "absolutely top draw Champions League class". And Duran, no one knows how good he will be yet.OUT Duran £60m + IN Malen £20mYes BUT...Diaby and Duran absolutely top draw Champions League class whilst Malen and "the Spanish lad" are good but unlikely to be great. If we do get rid of Duran after Diaby it means once again in the history of this club we have looked at peak and turned back.
OUT Carlos £10m + IN Spanish lad £20m
By the way I know you don't recommend that we do this deal.
Post by: Dave on January 07, 2025, 05:36:33 PM
Diaby is certainly not and never has been "absolutely top draw Champions League class". And Duran, no one knows how good he will be yet.OUT Duran £60m + IN Malen £20mYes BUT...Diaby and Duran absolutely top draw Champions League class whilst Malen and "the Spanish lad" are good but unlikely to be great. If we do get rid of Duran after Diaby it means once again in the history of this club we have looked at peak and turned back.
OUT Carlos £10m + IN Spanish lad £20m
By the way I know you don't recommend that we do this deal.
There's certainly very little difference in the records (Champions League or otherwise) between Diaby and Malen. Same age. Similar profile.
Post by: eamonn on January 07, 2025, 05:45:07 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 07, 2025, 05:58:34 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 07, 2025, 06:37:50 PM
Diaby is certainly not and never has been "absolutely top draw Champions League class". And Duran, no one knows how good he will be yet.Obviously I disagree. Diaby was/is immense talent, technically prices and physically balanced a player who could have gone on to be amongst the very best, just as Duran will be. We must not step back to adequate, we must strive for the very best to be part of our squad.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 07, 2025, 06:39:27 PM
I have seen youtube clips he looks impressive but i thought diaby looked unbelievable in the youtube clips before we signed him. Im excited either way as im 99.9% certain he will be far better than philogene
Post by: eamonn on January 07, 2025, 06:42:33 PM
The big difference between Malen and Diaby, in my opinion, is that Malen is much stronger on the ball, Diaby was far too easy to nudge of the ball, which I suspect is the main reason we didn't hold on to him.
It was really frustrating. His pace and finishing were really impressive at times but he never really adjusted to the physical side of the game here. Maybe a second season would have seen him toughen-up but he took the easier option/better one for his family and moved to the Middle East.
Post by: Tuscans on January 07, 2025, 07:09:56 PM
The words used to describe Diaby are very hyperbolic. I thought and have said here before he left he had a decent 6 weeks at the start of the season and faded fast. Hence why he was being subbed and dropped often during the remainder...the perfomances were just not there. This immense talent can hardly get a cap for France and Dembele and Coman are hardly pulling up trees for their clubs.Diaby is certainly not and never has been "absolutely top draw Champions League class". And Duran, no one knows how good he will be yet.Obviously I disagree. Diaby was/is immense talent, technically prices and physically balanced a player who could have gone on to be amongst the very best, just as Duran will be. We must not step back to adequate, we must strive for the very best to be part of our squad.
Rogers all day for me in the role Diaby played last season.
Post by: brontebilly on January 07, 2025, 07:19:07 PM
OUT Duran £60m + IN Malen £20mYes BUT...Diaby and Duran absolutely top draw Champions League class whilst Malen and "the Spanish lad" are good but unlikely to be great. If we do get rid of Duran after Diaby it means once again in the history of this club we have looked at peak and turned back.
OUT Carlos £10m + IN Spanish lad £20m
By the way I know you don't recommend that we do this deal.
Diaby turned away the chance of CL football to play pub (dry obv) league football in the desert. He wasn't one to invest more time in despite his obvious talents.
Post by: villadelph on January 07, 2025, 07:57:52 PM
Diaby is certainly not and never has been "absolutely top draw Champions League class". And Duran, no one knows how good he will be yet.Obviously I disagree. Diaby was/is immense talent, technically prices and phyically balanced a player who could have gone on to be amongst the very best, just as Duran will be. We must not step back to adequate, we must strive for the very best to be part of our squad.
Diaby was adequate.
Post by: Ian. on January 07, 2025, 08:06:55 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 07, 2025, 08:11:03 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 07, 2025, 08:14:51 PM
We got good money for Diaby and it was the right thing to do , where we went wrong was replacing him with JPB and also unfortunately Bailey 2.0 turned up in August , hence all the pining now for Diaby .
Me and quite a few others were gutted to see him leave. A fair few of us never thought he was as bad as made out and even during a quiet game he posed a threat. So if it’s alright with you I’ll carry on pining for him thank you.
Post by: Beard82 on January 07, 2025, 08:25:18 PM
I would rather we brought him home, then see him go to that lot.
If we can do it, without it effecting our broader plans I would love this.
Post by: Villan82 on January 07, 2025, 08:26:41 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 07, 2025, 08:34:39 PM
Apparently us v Man City in for Dougie. £35m-40m.Why are the 115 still allowed to throw dollars about when they are in court ? Is that still going on or are they hoping everyone just forgets about it now .
I would rather we brought him home, then see him go to that lot.
If we can do it, without it effecting our broader plans I would love this.
If we are up against them we have no chance
Post by: Tuscans on January 07, 2025, 08:42:58 PM
Apparently us v Man City in for Dougie. £35m-40m.Pretty sure we're not in for Luiz or any centre midfielder.
I would rather we brought him home, then see him go to that lot.
If we can do it, without it effecting our broader plans I would love this.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on January 07, 2025, 09:00:09 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/07/manchester-united-football-kobbie-mainoo-rasmus-hojlund-alejandro-garnacho?utm_source=livescore&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=foryou
Who do you like?
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 07, 2025, 09:07:40 PM
The red half of Manchester keen to become a selling club:None of them. If they're not good enough for them, then they're not good enough for us. Højlund in particular is wank.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/07/manchester-united-football-kobbie-mainoo-rasmus-hojlund-alejandro-garnacho?utm_source=livescore&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=foryou
Who do you like?
Post by: lovejoy on January 07, 2025, 09:12:45 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 07, 2025, 09:13:52 PM
Absolutely no chance . He couldn't wait to leave .Apparently us v Man City in for Dougie. £35m-40m.Pretty sure we're not in for Luiz or any centre midfielder.
I would rather we brought him home, then see him go to that lot.
If we can do it, without it effecting our broader plans I would love this.
Post by: London Villan on January 07, 2025, 09:17:35 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 07, 2025, 09:19:44 PM
Apparently us v Man City in for Dougie. £35m-40m.
I would rather we brought him home, then see him go to that lot.
If we can do it, without it effecting our broader plans I would love this.
Where you hear its up mate? Ill be suprised (but happy) if we were
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 07, 2025, 10:09:24 PM
The red half of Manchester keen to become a selling club:None of them. If they're not good enough for them, then they're not good enough for us. Højlund in particular is wank.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/07/manchester-united-football-kobbie-mainoo-rasmus-hojlund-alejandro-garnacho?utm_source=livescore&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=foryou
Who do you like?
Bit of a strange take just because they play for Man United, no matter how poor they’ve been over the last few years doesn’t mean all their players are crap.
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2025, 10:28:01 PM
Post by: john e on January 07, 2025, 10:30:52 PM
The red half of Manchester keen to become a selling club:None of them. If they're not good enough for them, then they're not good enough for us. Højlund in particular is wank.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/07/manchester-united-football-kobbie-mainoo-rasmus-hojlund-alejandro-garnacho?utm_source=livescore&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=foryou
Who do you like?
Bit of a strange take just because they play for Man United, no matter how poor they’ve been over the last few years doesn’t mean all their players are crap.
Also in the last 10 years when they’ve been rubbish and the worst time to support them in decades
They still managed to pick up 4 major trophies, 3 of them in the last 5 years
If we had done that we’d be talking about the glory years
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 07, 2025, 11:04:17 PM
Garnacho would be a brilliant signing for us. Won't happen, but he'd be brilliant, bit like Gordon has for Newcastle. For all the whining they have done, Gordon, Isaak, Tonali, Guimares, Botman and Joelinton were all £45 million plus when they signed them, so they've got a pretty damned good side.
Hall and Barnes were north of £30m as well and Livramento over £20m, they’ve certainly spent a bit.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 07, 2025, 11:05:21 PM
The red half of Manchester keen to become a selling club:None of them. If they're not good enough for them, then they're not good enough for us. Højlund in particular is wank.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/07/manchester-united-football-kobbie-mainoo-rasmus-hojlund-alejandro-garnacho?utm_source=livescore&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=foryou
Who do you like?
Bit of a strange take just because they play for Man United, no matter how poor they’ve been over the last few years doesn’t mean all their players are crap.
Also in the last 10 years when they’ve been rubbish and the worst time to support them in decades
They still managed to pick up 4 major trophies, 3 of them in the last 5 years
If we had done that we’d be talking about the glory years
Makes you sick doesn’t it. Bastards!!!
Post by: VillaTim on January 07, 2025, 11:44:49 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 08, 2025, 06:52:38 AM
Post by: algy on January 08, 2025, 09:50:38 AM
The red half of Manchester keen to become a selling club:I suspect they're all on prohibitively high wages, and as of such we shouldn't touch them with a bargepole.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/07/manchester-united-football-kobbie-mainoo-rasmus-hojlund-alejandro-garnacho?utm_source=livescore&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=foryou
Who do you like?
That said, I think Mainoo and Garnacho are both very decent players, and if the opportunity did come along to buy them and they weren't asking for silly money, I'd take it.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 08, 2025, 09:51:37 AM
Edit: Beaten to it by Algy
Post by: Ian. on January 08, 2025, 09:52:55 AM
Post by: paul_e on January 08, 2025, 09:53:45 AM
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2025, 09:56:58 AM
Post by: Monty on January 08, 2025, 10:25:11 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2025, 10:30:46 AM
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 10:35:08 AM
@lequipe
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2025, 10:36:40 AM
Aston Villa have enquired about the loan signing of PSG centre-back Milan Škriniar.He's a proper player, that would be a good move.
@lequipe
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2025, 10:44:30 AM
Aston Villa have enquired about the loan signing of PSG centre-back Milan Škriniar.
@lequipe
Would be a sign that Carlos is off.
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2025, 10:47:17 AM
Part of the reason why United struggle to sell players is because often they enjoy identifying as a Man United player too much.
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2025, 10:50:49 AM
Aston Villa have enquired about the loan signing of PSG centre-back Milan Škriniar.He's a proper player, that would be a good move.
@lequipe
Malen in and Skriniar on loan would be a smashing window. Add a right-back as is rumoured and we're looking very strong for the second half of the season.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 08, 2025, 11:00:57 AM
I do like Garnacho though, the last couple of times we played them at home he felt like a proper threat and it was largely him doing us damage in last season's instalment of Boxing Day misery.
He has dropped off that form since , hence he is surplus to requirements
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 11:01:00 AM
Aston Villa have enquired about the loan signing of PSG centre-back Milan Škriniar.
@lequipe
Yes please !!
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on January 08, 2025, 11:05:22 AM
manioo is the eptiome of an over hyped english player. He had the much maligned casimiro babysitting him in midfield for all of last season the first time they put him on his own was crystal palace who smashed them 4-0. All the goals coming straight down the middle where koby was meant to be patroling. (Even the Villa game last season the red sea parted time and time again in front of the D)But the papers had already locked in his england place for the euros this didn't stop southgate pining for kalvin philips when his weakenss were exposed. he's got a good touch but he's about 250 games away from being as good as the hype for a DM
Garnacho's main strength is running down blind alleys, seems to be dining out on the wonder goal at everton the other year. Even his slow motion cross on sunday must have bobbled about 6 times before it rolled into amad. no wonder van dyke was going nuts.
Hoyland looks totally out of his depth in the prem, not quick enough, not strong enough, can't finish.
These guys have everton west ham and fulham written all over them
Post by: jwarry on January 08, 2025, 11:05:56 AM
Aston Villa have enquired about the loan signing of PSG centre-back Milan Škriniar.
@lequipe
Why would they consider this? Has he not been getting into their team?
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2025, 11:07:48 AM
I do like Garnacho though, the last couple of times we played them at home he felt like a proper threat and it was largely him doing us damage in last season's instalment of Boxing Day misery.
He has dropped off that form since , hence he is surplus to requirements
I know, but he's still very young and they are a circus.
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2025, 11:09:34 AM
Aston Villa have enquired about the loan signing of PSG centre-back Milan Škriniar.
@lequipe
Why would they consider this? Has he not been getting into their team?
No, only started three games this season and only one in the last two months.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 08, 2025, 11:12:48 AM
I do like Garnacho though, the last couple of times we played them at home he felt like a proper threat and it was largely him doing us damage in last season's instalment of Boxing Day misery.
If he can play on the right, he might be the kind of option we need in the squad who can carry the ball up the pitch at pace without turning back. That's what we are really missing at the moment.
Post by: paul_e on January 08, 2025, 11:19:51 AM
Id be worried if any of these guys were Villa's marquee jan signing. rememeber remember djemba djemba a wise old villa fan once told me.
manioo is the eptiome of an over hyped english player. He had the much maligned casimiro babysitting him in midfield for all of last season the first time they put him on his own was crystal palace who smashed them 4-0. All the goals coming straight down the middle where koby was meant to be patroling. (Even the Villa game last season the red sea parted time and time again in front of the D)But the papers had already locked in his england place for the euros this didn't stop southgate pining for kalvin philips when his weakenss were exposed. he's got a good touch but he's about 250 games away from being as good as the hype for a DM
Garnacho's main strength is running down blind alleys, seems to be dining out on the wonder goal at everton the other year. Even his slow motion cross on sunday must have bobbled about 6 times before it rolled into amad. no wonder van dyke was going nuts.
Hoyland looks totally out of his depth in the prem, not quick enough, not strong enough, can't finish.
These guys have everton west ham and fulham written all over them
He's not a DM though, a bit like Luiz, people see him play and think he could be a good DM but all his best performances are playing far more like a box-to-box midfielder. One of the biggest problems in the game right now (and especially in England) is that proper DMs are very rare, Kamara is one of only about 4-5 of them in the league right now.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 11:21:40 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2025, 11:26:06 AM
Id be worried if any of these guys were Villa's marquee jan signing. rememeber remember djemba djemba a wise old villa fan once told me.
manioo is the eptiome of an over hyped english player. He had the much maligned casimiro babysitting him in midfield for all of last season the first time they put him on his own was crystal palace who smashed them 4-0. All the goals coming straight down the middle where koby was meant to be patroling. (Even the Villa game last season the red sea parted time and time again in front of the D)But the papers had already locked in his england place for the euros this didn't stop southgate pining for kalvin philips when his weakenss were exposed. he's got a good touch but he's about 250 games away from being as good as the hype for a DM
Garnacho's main strength is running down blind alleys, seems to be dining out on the wonder goal at everton the other year. Even his slow motion cross on sunday must have bobbled about 6 times before it rolled into amad. no wonder van dyke was going nuts.
Hoyland looks totally out of his depth in the prem, not quick enough, not strong enough, can't finish.
These guys have everton west ham and fulham written all over them
He's not a DM though, a bit like Luiz, people see him play and think he could be a good DM but all his best performances are playing far more like a box-to-box midfielder. One of the biggest problems in the game right now (and especially in England) is that proper DMs are very rare, Kamara is one of only about 4-5 of them in the league right now.
I always felt that in this country we think of DM's essentially as centre halves that can trap a ball, whereas on the continent it's about technique and awareness.
Post by: sid1964 on January 08, 2025, 11:29:26 AM
This just proves that the owners etc.. read our comments.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 08, 2025, 11:30:52 AM
Aside from the high wages, the other problem of signing United players is they often feel that basically anywhere else is a step down and that we would be beneath them.
Part of the reason why United struggle to sell players is because often they enjoy identifying as a Man United player too much.
Yes, they probably get more advertising potential there then they would here.
Post by: LeeB on January 08, 2025, 11:39:59 AM
LeeB, just had Wes on the phone, he tells that as you told him to F... OFF, he is not going to buy any players in this transfer window.
This just proves that the owners etc.. read our comments.
Oh, does he buy players out of the goodness of his 'eart, does he? Or does the club by them with their income? Because one is allowed and the other isn't, if you'd not noticed.
I bet you were one of those twats years ago defending Ellis with the same kind of shite.
This is a business, they own it, and any money invested is with one eye on the value when they cash out. It's not some charitable donation.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 08, 2025, 12:05:43 PM
Aston Villa have enquired about the loan signing of PSG centre-back Milan Škriniar.
@lequipe
Nice to see the powers that be are finally taking my suggestions on board. I’d quote it but don’t know how to do two in the same post but I’m sure you all believe me!!
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2025, 12:07:23 PM
As a dominant centre half on the right what about Milan Skriniar, not getting a look in at PSG
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2025, 12:15:31 PM
LeeB, just had Wes on the phone, he tells that as you told him to F... OFF, he is not going to buy any players in this transfer window.
This just proves that the owners etc.. read our comments.
Oh, does he buy players out of the goodness of his 'eart, does he? Or does the club by them with their income? Because one is allowed and the other isn't, if you'd not noticed.
I bet you were one of those twats years ago defending Ellis with the same kind of shite.
This is a business, they own it, and any money invested is with one eye on the value when they cash out. It's not some charitable donation.
OUR club is now worth significantly more than the owners have put in and the only people benefitting from that, are them. They are investing, we're paying.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 12:25:26 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 08, 2025, 12:25:39 PM
Id be worried if any of these guys were Villa's marquee jan signing. rememeber remember djemba djemba a wise old villa fan once told me.
manioo is the eptiome of an over hyped english player. He had the much maligned casimiro babysitting him in midfield for all of last season the first time they put him on his own was crystal palace who smashed them 4-0. All the goals coming straight down the middle where koby was meant to be patroling. (Even the Villa game last season the red sea parted time and time again in front of the D)But the papers had already locked in his england place for the euros this didn't stop southgate pining for kalvin philips when his weakenss were exposed. he's got a good touch but he's about 250 games away from being as good as the hype for a DM
Garnacho's main strength is running down blind alleys, seems to be dining out on the wonder goal at everton the other year. Even his slow motion cross on sunday must have bobbled about 6 times before it rolled into amad. no wonder van dyke was going nuts.
Hoyland looks totally out of his depth in the prem, not quick enough, not strong enough, can't finish.
These guys have everton west ham and fulham written all over them
He's not a DM though, a bit like Luiz, people see him play and think he could be a good DM but all his best performances are playing far more like a box-to-box midfielder. One of the biggest problems in the game right now (and especially in England) is that proper DMs are very rare, Kamara is one of only about 4-5 of them in the league right now.
I always felt that in this country we think of DM's essentially as centre halves that can trap a ball, whereas on the continent it's about technique and awareness.
Yes, but what actually makes a player a DM rather than a midfielder (in English football at least) is elements of both.
Post by: OCD on January 08, 2025, 12:34:07 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 12:36:02 PM
@philipphinze24
18 yr old.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 08, 2025, 12:52:37 PM
As a dominant centre half on the right what about Milan Skriniar, not getting a look in at PSG
Cheers Dave, certainly seem to be looking in the positions that we all want strengthening.
Post by: KevinGage on January 08, 2025, 02:13:52 PM
I do like Garnacho though, the last couple of times we played them at home he felt like a proper threat and it was largely him doing us damage in last season's instalment of Boxing Day misery.
He has dropped off that form since , hence he is surplus to requirements
You'll often see fluctuations in form with wide players, particularly ones that young.
I'd do that deal if it was for a semi realistic price. Which it won't be with them.
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2025, 02:16:30 PM
As a dominant centre half on the right what about Milan Skriniar, not getting a look in at PSG
Cheers Dave, certainly seem to be looking in the positions that we all want strengthening.
He was a monster at Inter. Would be a very interesting signing, could be pivotal if we can cut out some of the silly goals we've conceded this season.
Post by: FatSam on January 08, 2025, 03:01:57 PM
I can't help but get Adnan Januzaj vibes from Garnacho.Yes, see also Federico Macheda.
Post by: Rigadon on January 08, 2025, 04:01:25 PM
I can't help but get Adnan Januzaj vibes from Garnacho.Yes, see also Federico Macheda.
Shudder. His name should be banned from H&V, or mentioned only in a disguised 'Scottish play' fashion.
Post by: AV82EC on January 08, 2025, 04:13:53 PM
I can't help but get Adnan Januzaj vibes from Garnacho.Yes, see also Federico Macheda.
Shudder. His name should be banned from H&V, or mentioned only in a disguised 'Scottish play' fashion.
He should henceforth be known as “The Italian Prick”.
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2025, 06:27:47 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 06:29:01 PM
@MailSport
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 08, 2025, 06:32:17 PM
Nah I think Garnacho is the real deal. Genuinely love him at Villa.
From what I understand he has a bit of a shitty attitude and all fingers were pointing to him or his brother leaking the ManU team 24 hours before they played 115 City.
Post by: john e on January 08, 2025, 06:37:11 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 06:47:39 PM
Samuel Chukwueze has also been proposed to Villa & they may consider him if they cannot do a deal for Donyell Malen.
@TomCollomosse
Post by: Virgil Caine on January 08, 2025, 06:52:12 PM
More chance of me copping of with Emily Blunt tonight than us signing Garnacho
No chance of you copping off with Ems as she and I are at the Kababish tonight.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 08, 2025, 07:05:16 PM
https://frenchfootballweekly.com/2024/01/08/psg-milan-skriniar-underwent-successful-surgery/
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 08, 2025, 07:07:44 PM
Nah I think Garnacho is the real deal. Genuinely love him at Villa.
He would need to sort his eyebrow and hair cut out !
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 07:15:33 PM
Milan Škriniar has been offered to Aston Villa as they seek a short-term replacement for Pau Torres. @TomCollomosse
Samuel Chukwueze has also been proposed to Villa & they may consider him if they cannot do a deal for Donyell Malen.
@TomCollomosse
Chukwueze is a top player. Id be delighted with him
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2025, 07:17:07 PM
Škriniar has just had an ankle op and is rumoured to be out for the rest of the season, so he sounds like an ideal fit for us.
https://frenchfootballweekly.com/2024/01/08/psg-milan-skriniar-underwent-successful-surgery/
Happy one year anniversary of that article.
(Winky face)
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 08, 2025, 07:18:24 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 07:21:31 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 08, 2025, 07:30:17 PM
Fenerbahçe are increasingly confident of reaching an agreement with Aston Villa for Diego Carlos.
@MailSport
I'll drive him to Istanbul meself.
I'd drive him to Tehran if needs be.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2025, 07:36:02 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 07:39:33 PM
If we have an adequate replacement in first - fine. If we sell him without one, ridiculously reckless.
Im ok having bogarde as cover until a replacement comes in before end of jan if means we can get rid of him asap.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 08, 2025, 07:42:01 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2025, 07:46:01 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 08, 2025, 07:47:53 PM
Forest are apparently interested in Dougie now. Not sure if that's even worse than the thought of him joining Man City or Arsenal?where they getting this money from? they've had a PSR punishment already last season.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 08, 2025, 07:48:16 PM
If we have an adequate replacement in first - fine. If we sell him without one, ridiculously reckless.that sums him up I guess...
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 08, 2025, 07:50:25 PM
Škriniar has just had an ankle op and is rumoured to be out for the rest of the season, so he sounds like an ideal fit for us.
https://frenchfootballweekly.com/2024/01/08/psg-milan-skriniar-underwent-successful-surgery/
Happy one year anniversary of that article.
(Winky face)
Gah!
Post by: eamonn on January 08, 2025, 08:00:34 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2025, 08:05:02 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 08, 2025, 08:07:11 PM
10m for carlos. Thats a great deal for us.
It isn't really.
He was signed on a 4 year deal for something like £28m which means, after 2 1/2 years his current value for PSR is £10.5m so we'd actually be making a small loss in the only measure that matters.
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 08:07:23 PM
Why hasn't he been getting in the PSG team?They bought Pacho in the summer for 45m
Post by: eamonn on January 08, 2025, 08:07:24 PM
Post by: Dave on January 08, 2025, 08:07:48 PM
Why hasn't he been getting in the PSG team?
There's a young Ecuadorian centre-back who's replaced him. Whose name I've forgotten.
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 08:11:07 PM
Or he will move on for free the season after this.10m for carlos. Thats a great deal for us.
It isn't really.
He was signed on a 4 year deal for something like £28m which means, after 2 1/2 years his current value for PSR is £10.5m so we'd actually be making a small loss in the only measure that matters.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 08, 2025, 08:18:01 PM
Forest are apparently interested in Dougie now. Not sure if that's even worse than the thought of him joining Man City or Arsenal?
Rumours of Man U and Juve doing a swap deal with Dougie and Zirkzee.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 08:30:38 PM
10m for carlos. Thats a great deal for us.
It isn't really.
He was signed on a 4 year deal for something like £28m which means, after 2 1/2 years his current value for PSR is £10.5m so we'd actually be making a small loss in the only measure that matters.
Considering his age, wage and how long he has left i would say its a great deal for us
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 08, 2025, 08:49:11 PM
10m for carlos. Thats a great deal for us.
It isn't really.
He was signed on a 4 year deal for something like £28m which means, after 2 1/2 years his current value for PSR is £10.5m so we'd actually be making a small loss in the only measure that matters.
Considering his age, wage and how long he has left i would say its a great deal for us
It is probably the best deal we are likely to get, but would leave us a player down with no profit to spend on a replacement. Personally I'd rather keep him than have to sell him at a book loss plus another player to fund the replacement.
Curates egg of a player, occasionally brilliant but prone to the odd stinker too.
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 08:49:15 PM
@F_Abolhosseini
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 08, 2025, 08:52:30 PM
F.C. Copenhagen are in discussions to sign Robin Olsen.Not seen anything reported over here.
@F_Abolhosseini
Probably his level and where he last looked any good.
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2025, 08:54:52 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 08:58:40 PM
F.C. Copenhagen are in discussions to sign Robin Olsen.
@F_Abolhosseini
Please god. Dreadful keeper
Post by: FatSam on January 08, 2025, 09:09:31 PM
Yes, but that’s only because it was poor business when we signed him at 29-years old for £26M from Sevilla. It’s unrealistic for us to be able to shift him for much more now that he’s pushing 32, and not even a nailed-on starter for us.10m for carlos. Thats a great deal for us.
It isn't really.
He was signed on a 4 year deal for something like £28m which means, after 2 1/2 years his current value for PSR is £10.5m so we'd actually be making a small loss in the only measure that matters.
Post by: FatSam on January 08, 2025, 09:15:12 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 09:23:52 PM
@SportsPeteO
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 10:07:46 PM
@FabrizioRomano
Post by: Somniloquism on January 08, 2025, 10:12:06 PM
Milan Škriniar has been offered to Aston Villa as they seek a short-term replacement for Pau Torres. @TomCollomosse
Samuel Chukwueze has also been proposed to Villa & they may consider him if they cannot do a deal for Donyell Malen.
@TomCollomosse
Chukwueze is a top player. Id be delighted with him
You might have seen him a lot more then I have, but going on stats, I would prefer Malen.
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2025, 10:15:40 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 08, 2025, 10:17:47 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 08, 2025, 10:18:00 PM
Jaden Philogene is joining Ipswich for a fee of £21m + add-ons.Great business if true . Hopefully it's 100% cash and no stocking fillers thrown in like Dobbin / Ned etc
@FabrizioRomano
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 10:19:03 PM
Milan Škriniar has been offered to Aston Villa as they seek a short-term replacement for Pau Torres. @TomCollomosse
Samuel Chukwueze has also been proposed to Villa & they may consider him if they cannot do a deal for Donyell Malen.
@TomCollomosse
Chukwueze is a top player. Id be delighted with him
You might have seen him a lot more then I have, but going on stats, I would prefer Malen.
Either one i am happy with to be honest. Both are upgrades on philiogene. I think it will be malen though
Post by: AV84 on January 08, 2025, 10:23:42 PM
Jaden Philogene is joining Ipswich for a fee of £21m + add-ons.
@FabrizioRomano
What's the maths on this one? I can't remember what we sold him for the first time, or what we paid to bring him back?
Post by: Somniloquism on January 08, 2025, 10:24:39 PM
Jaden Philogene is joining Ipswich for a fee of £21m + add-ons.
@FabrizioRomano
What's the maths on this one? I can't remember what we sold him for the first time, or what we paid to bring him back?
£18mil approx which was the offer Ipswich put in and we were allowed to match on first refusal.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 08, 2025, 10:24:53 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2025, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2025, 10:26:25 PM
Jaden Philogene is joining Ipswich for a fee of £21m + add-ons.
@FabrizioRomano
What's the maths on this one? I can't remember what we sold him for the first time, or what we paid to bring him back?
£18mil approx which was the offer Ipswich put in and we were allowed to match on first refusal.
But we got a £5m discount from the price any other club agreed as part of the buyback.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 08, 2025, 10:32:56 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 08, 2025, 10:37:09 PM
Jaden Philogene is joining Ipswich for a fee of £21m + add-ons.
@FabrizioRomano
What's the maths on this one? I can't remember what we sold him for the first time, or what we paid to bring him back?
£18mil approx which was the offer Ipswich put in and we were allowed to match on first refusal.
But we got a £5m discount from the price any other club agreed as part of the buyback.
Indeed. And we got £5m for him the year before as well. So we’ve made about £13m off him all told.
Post by: KevinGage on January 08, 2025, 11:00:21 PM
Unless he's OK with being on the move again this summer when Ipswich inevitably drop.
Playing for a Dyce team can't be the most fun you can have with your clothes on, true. But new ownership + investment there, and a fair chance of a more progressive coach in the summer. Plus the new stadium etc.
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 11:01:01 PM
@MatteMoretto
Post by: Gareth on January 08, 2025, 11:02:44 PM
If he's got the choice of Everton or Ipswich Shirley he should go for the Toffees.
Unless he's OK with being on the move again this summer when Ipswich inevitably drop.
Playing for a Dyce team can't be the most fun you can have with your clothes on, true. But new ownership + investment there, and a fair chance of a more progressive coach in the summer. Plus the new stadium etc.
Far from inevitable that Ipswich go down-they’ve become a very decent side now they’ve bedded in
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 08, 2025, 11:20:27 PM
Far from inevitable that Ipswich go down-they’ve become a very decent side now they’ve bedded in
Agreed, they look the best placed of the 3 promoted teams to stay up.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 08, 2025, 11:24:29 PM
Aston Villa are also looking at Juan Foyth & Andrei Rațiu.
@MatteMoretto
Had to look up both of them. Foyth has just come back from a year out over two separate injuries, so he would be a big risk. Ratiu seemed to take a year to settle at Rayo but seems to have settled now. Doesn't seem to be as attacking as Mingueza though, which might be a good or bad thing. Rayo and Celta play each other the weekend, so if we haven't signed one, we can see how they do in that match.
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2025, 11:26:13 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 11:26:17 PM
It's the Foyth who flopped at Spurs.Aston Villa are also looking at Juan Foyth & Andrei Rațiu.
@MatteMoretto
Had to look up both of them. Foyth has just come back from a year out over two separate injuries, so he would be a big risk. Ratiu seemed to take a year to settle at Rayo but seems to have settled now. Doesn't seem to be as attacking as Mingueza though, which might be a good or bad thing. Rayo and Celta play each other the weekend, so if we haven't signed one, we can see how they do in that match.
Post by: ozzjim on January 08, 2025, 11:27:45 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 08, 2025, 11:29:03 PM
Aston Villa are also looking at Juan Foyth & Andrei Rațiu.
@MatteMoretto
Foyth? He's not played for Argentina for years and only twice this season for Villarreal; can't see that.
Post by: Tuscans on January 08, 2025, 11:32:17 PM
He was pretty young at Spurs. He was then excellent for Emery at Villarreal.True, thought he might of remembered him at Spurs more than Villareal.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 08, 2025, 11:34:14 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2025, 11:53:29 PM
Foyth links are inevitable but he's hardly kicked a ball all season due to injury.
He’ll fit right in. We are good at injuries.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 09, 2025, 08:56:54 AM
Malen in and Philogene out would leave us significantly stronger.
Post by: dave shelley on January 09, 2025, 09:15:58 AM
* One for any Bronx citizens reading this.
**. I'll get me coat.
Post by: LeeB on January 09, 2025, 09:22:33 AM
We'll wait until summer to sign him so he can say ' I signed on the Foyth of July'. *
* One for any Bronx citizens reading this.
**. I'll get me coat.
Made me laugh Dave, works best in a Bugs Bunny voice.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 09, 2025, 09:37:34 AM
Post by: placeforparks on January 09, 2025, 12:01:38 PM
emery isn't steve bruce or harry redknapp, signing all the same shite from club to club.
Post by: Tuscans on January 09, 2025, 12:09:22 PM
@Tanziloic
Post by: jwarry on January 09, 2025, 12:11:01 PM
“More on Paris Saint-Germain and Kvicha Kvaratskhelia story reported earlier.
PSG and Napoli are in direct contact… as PSG step up efforts to make it happen now, open to offering players (including Skriniar) plus cash in the deal.
ℹ️🇬🇪 It now depends on Napoli decision.”
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 09, 2025, 12:13:35 PM
those foyth and guendozi links always seem like lazy journalism to me, based purely on emery managing them in the past.
emery isn't steve bruce or harry redknapp, signing all the same shite from club to club.
they do seem to go back and foyth every window
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 09, 2025, 12:50:51 PM
Diego Carlos to Fenerbahçe is advanced.
@Tanziloic
He has his faults but this would be mental unless there's someone coming in. Torres is out for 2months (& look at what happened to JJ for a similar injury) and Mings is just back from a long-term injury so could easily pick up muscular injuries, leaving just Konsa (I wouldn't trust any of the kids to step up).
Post by: Dick Edwards on January 09, 2025, 01:06:15 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 09, 2025, 01:08:02 PM
We paid £26m for him in summer of 2022 on a 4 yr deal. Stands at c.£9.75m on the books, so anything less than that and we'll take a PSR hit.
He's on £100k pw - £5.2m pa.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 09, 2025, 01:16:14 PM
I’d be concerned too if Carlos went without being replaced. I guess Kamara could play centre back in an emergency
We've been linked with Antonio Silva (Benfica) and Skriniar from PSG.
Both would be adequate replacements for Carlos.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 09, 2025, 01:21:11 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 09, 2025, 01:23:12 PM
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2025, 01:40:00 PM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 09, 2025, 01:42:10 PM
Not sure why people keep suggesting Kamara at centre-half, it seems like an absolutely terrible idea to me. We don't know if he can play there, we do know he's brilliant in midfield. It would likely make us worse in two positions.I seem to remember he played there quite a bit in Europe for Marseille.
Post by: eamonn on January 09, 2025, 01:52:30 PM
Kvara leaving halfway through a possible scudetto-winning session to go to P S Fucking G would be more depressing than words can express.
Forza Atalanta. Napoli had their second act.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 09, 2025, 01:59:41 PM
Not sure why people keep suggesting Kamara at centre-half, it seems like an absolutely terrible idea to me. We don't know if he can play there, we do know he's brilliant in midfield. It would likely make us worse in two positions.
Kamara is too important to be moved into centre defence. I'm sure Emery has someone lined up should Carlos move on.
Post by: Tuscans on January 09, 2025, 02:00:40 PM
@Tanziloic
Post by: Tuscans on January 09, 2025, 02:01:01 PM
@PSierraR
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 09, 2025, 02:05:16 PM
Dortmund asked for the conditions to sign Jhon Durán — Aston Villa requested €85m.
@PSierraR
Don't they want all of him then?
The hottest striker on current form in the toughest league in the world - would not consider anything unless there was a £100m figure to begin with.
Post by: Tuscans on January 09, 2025, 02:09:30 PM
I think Isak would argue with you there.Dortmund asked for the conditions to sign Jhon Durán — Aston Villa requested €85m.
@PSierraR
Don't they want all of him then?
The hottest striker on current form in the toughest league in the world - would not consider anything unless there was a £100m figure to begin with.
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2025, 02:15:29 PM
Not sure why people keep suggesting Kamara at centre-half, it seems like an absolutely terrible idea to me. We don't know if he can play there, we do know he's brilliant in midfield. It would likely make us worse in two positions.I seem to remember he played there quite a bit in Europe for Marseille.
Yep, he'd played as a centre back nearly as often as he'd played in midfield when he signed for us. I've always had him down as an emergency option to cover there if we're desperate but it would have to be something more than we just decided to sell Carlos without a replacement in this window, that would be an awful decision.
Post by: Rigadon on January 09, 2025, 02:15:45 PM
Dortmund asked for the conditions to sign Jhon Durán — Aston Villa requested €85m.
@PSierraR
Don't they want all of him then?
The hottest striker on current form in the toughest league in the world - would not consider anything unless there was a £100m figure to begin with.
No way he agreed a new contract with buy out clause of >£100m. I'd guess it's more like £60m
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2025, 02:22:26 PM
Kvara leaving halfway through a possible scudetto-winning session to go to P S Fucking G would be more depressing than words can express.
Forza Atalanta. Napoli had their second act.
Believe me I'd be happy for the earl grey tea people. It's the idea of a Napoli star at Qatar FC that's pretty depressing. In January too, come on.
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2025, 02:25:45 PM
It's the idea of a Napoli star at Qatar FC that's pretty depressing.
Just following the well-trodden Fabian Ruiz / Lavezzi / Cavani path.
Post by: Tuscans on January 09, 2025, 02:37:30 PM
NO green light from Napoli at this stage as Skriniar’s salary is considered too expensive.
Post by: Monty on January 09, 2025, 03:07:12 PM
It's the idea of a Napoli star at Qatar FC that's pretty depressing.
Just following the well-trodden Fabian Ruiz / Lavezzi / Cavani path.
Those were different. This is more like Higuaín going to Juve.
Post by: eamonn on January 09, 2025, 04:21:57 PM
Aston Villa have now started direct negotiations with Caen to sign Tidiam Gomis.
@Tanziloic
Wasn't he in Lord of the Rings?
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 09, 2025, 04:23:43 PM
Dortmund asked for the conditions to sign Jhon Durán — Aston Villa requested €85m.
@PSierraR
Why the fuck would we even think of selling him? I hope this is just paper talk.
Post by: john2710 on January 09, 2025, 04:24:01 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 09, 2025, 04:33:26 PM
Dortmund asked for the conditions to sign Jhon Durán — Aston Villa requested €85m.
@PSierraR
Why the fuck would we even think of selling him? I hope this is just paper talk.
Pretty sure that the club will certainly not want to sell Duran. But. If a big(ger than Dortmund) CL club were to bat their eyelids, and can meet the release clause, what can Villa do apart from sell him and find a replacement as best they can, if Duran wants to leave?
I'd be surprised if the main point of that contract being signed recently wasn't to include a bigger release clause and therefore: a) protect the club from silly bids, b) get market value for Duran if we have to sell. It would also have been aimed at making Duran feel more loved and therefore hopefully stop any wandering eye stuff.
I don't know, he's such an exciting prospect isn't he?! It'd be amazing if he stayed here for a few years at least and developed into a world class centre forward while we were winning things. But... I just can't see it myself.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 09, 2025, 06:22:13 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 09, 2025, 06:28:16 PM
We know there's a release clause, do we?
As he’s just signed what is presumably a bumper contract I’d be amazed if there wasn’t.
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2025, 06:28:18 PM
I don't see any reason why his agent wouldn't have insisted on it, and any reason why we would have said no.
Post by: JJ-AV on January 09, 2025, 06:30:57 PM
I think it's something we'd have to consider if it keeps the rest of the squad together and lets us invest.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 09, 2025, 06:33:46 PM
Aston Villa are also looking at Juan Foyth & Andrei Rațiu.
@MatteMoretto
Had to look up both of them. Foyth has just come back from a year out over two separate injuries, so he would be a big risk. Ratiu seemed to take a year to settle at Rayo but seems to have settled now. Doesn't seem to be as attacking as Mingueza though, which might be a good or bad thing. Rayo and Celta play each other the weekend, so if we haven't signed one, we can see how they do in that match.
Andrei Ratiu reminds me of Kyle Walker with his speed and his defensive game is very strong. Pretty skillful too though he needs a bit of coaching on when to release the ball. Doesn't seem to cross the ball that often though if he did he'd probably be double the price. Effort wise the fans in Spain love him, a real 110%er. I've read he has a €25m release clause which explains why so many top clubs have shown an interest.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 09, 2025, 06:36:27 PM
We don't, but it seems sensible to contemplate a world where there might be one.
I don't see any reason why his agent wouldn't have insisted on it, and any reason why we would have said no.
Release clauses are still the exception in England. There's no reason to assume it would have been "insisted on" whatsoever. He might well have one, talking about it as definite just seems like pessimism for the sake of it.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 09, 2025, 06:37:09 PM
We don't, but it seems sensible to contemplate a world where there might be one.
I don't see any reason why his agent wouldn't have insisted on it, and any reason why we would have said no.
Agree with this
Im sure both he and his agent would have insisted on it
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 09, 2025, 06:38:54 PM
Would you not be tempted?
Nope.
Leicester could probably have got loads of money for Vardy had they cashed in halfway through the 2015/16 season. They'd have been much richer, and almost certainly have still never have won anything other than the League Cup in their history.
We need to stop trying to sell players the second they start attracting attention if we are ever going to win things again.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 09, 2025, 06:39:41 PM
We don't, but it seems sensible to contemplate a world where there might be one.
I don't see any reason why his agent wouldn't have insisted on it, and any reason why we would have said no.
Agree with this
Im sure both he and his agent would have insisted on it
You're not "sure". You think it's the case.
Post by: Beard82 on January 09, 2025, 06:48:17 PM
If he does end up leaving I am sure the club will make sure we get properly compensated.
I would hope it would be more than 70m - I would be disappointed if it was less than 100m. And to be fair we’re no mugs when we sell players
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2025, 06:49:25 PM
We don't, but it seems sensible to contemplate a world where there might be one.
I don't see any reason why his agent wouldn't have insisted on it, and any reason why we would have said no.
Release clauses are still the exception in England. There's no reason to assume it would have been "insisted on" whatsoever. He might well have one, talking about it as definite just seems like pessimism for the sake of it.
Optimism or pessimism doesn't come into it. I'm not assuming it would have been insisted on, I just can't think of any reason why they wouldn't have asked for it.
Contract negotiations either happen at a time when the club is in a more powerful position, or at a time when the player is in a more powerful position. Duran signed his contract at a time when (given his form at the time) his position was more powerful than than that of the club. So he was in a position to ask for more, like Grealish and Delph before him were.
There might be one. Or there might not. I'm not particularly concerned either way. But it's still fine to consider the dynamics involved, precedent and come down on a side that is more likely than the other. For example, I'm pretty certain that Rogers wouldn't have one.
Post by: Beard82 on January 09, 2025, 06:59:43 PM
Whilst I wouldnt be surprised if he did have a release clause, I dont think that was neccessary the case that he was in a stronger position. Whilst he was on form - he had time left on his contract, plus he nearly signed for West Ham and made a bit of a dick about himself. I think some of it was of him commiting to the club and putting all that mess behind and buying into the role that the club had for him.We don't, but it seems sensible to contemplate a world where there might be one.
I don't see any reason why his agent wouldn't have insisted on it, and any reason why we would have said no.
Release clauses are still the exception in England. There's no reason to assume it would have been "insisted on" whatsoever. He might well have one, talking about it as definite just seems like pessimism for the sake of it.
Optimism or pessimism doesn't come into it. I'm not assuming it would have been insisted on, I just can't think of any reason why they wouldn't have asked for it.
Contract negotiations either happen at a time when the club is in a more powerful position, or at a time when the player is in a more powerful position. Duran signed his contract at a time when (given his form at the time) his position was more powerful than than that of the club. So he was in a position to ask for more, like Grealish and Delph before him were.
There might be one. Or there might not. I'm not particularly concerned either way. But it's still fine to consider the dynamics involved, precedent and come down on a side that is more likely than the other. For example, I'm pretty certain that Rogers wouldn't have one.
So I dont think he had us over a barrel in the way Grealish and Delph did. So if there is a release clause I would expect it to be one the club would be happy with. i see it more similar to Rogers as rewarding a player and showing they are valued and appericated her and considered "key"
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 09, 2025, 07:07:49 PM
An agent asking for something does not guarantee it was agreed. I'd imagine most agents go into negotiations hoping to get some of what they ask for, not all. We aren't 1998 Leeds.
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2025, 07:13:17 PM
Whilst I wouldnt be surprised if he did have a release clause, I dont think that was neccessary the case that he was in a stronger position. Whilst he was on form - he had time left on his contract, plus he nearly signed for West Ham and made a bit of a dick about himself. I think some of it was of him commiting to the club and putting all that mess behind and buying into the role that the club had for him.We don't, but it seems sensible to contemplate a world where there might be one.
I don't see any reason why his agent wouldn't have insisted on it, and any reason why we would have said no.
Release clauses are still the exception in England. There's no reason to assume it would have been "insisted on" whatsoever. He might well have one, talking about it as definite just seems like pessimism for the sake of it.
Optimism or pessimism doesn't come into it. I'm not assuming it would have been insisted on, I just can't think of any reason why they wouldn't have asked for it.
Contract negotiations either happen at a time when the club is in a more powerful position, or at a time when the player is in a more powerful position. Duran signed his contract at a time when (given his form at the time) his position was more powerful than than that of the club. So he was in a position to ask for more, like Grealish and Delph before him were.
There might be one. Or there might not. I'm not particularly concerned either way. But it's still fine to consider the dynamics involved, precedent and come down on a side that is more likely than the other. For example, I'm pretty certain that Rogers wouldn't have one.
So I dont think he had us over a barrel in the way Grealish and Delph did. So if there is a release clause I would expect it to be one the club would be happy with. i see it more similar to Rogers as rewarding a player and showing they are valued and appericated her and considered "key"
Yup, don't really disagree with any of that - but I'd also argue that the Grealish release clause was also one that the club was happy with. If they're not happy with it, they're not going to agree to it. Even Delph to a certain extent. £8m was better than £0m.
But I think this is the most obvious recent example of the club doing whatever they needed to do to quickly secure the future value of an asset - the only other comparable one recently would be Martinez, and he's the only other player in the squad that I think (on balance of probability) might have one.
Post by: AV82EC on January 09, 2025, 07:21:14 PM
Post by: john2710 on January 09, 2025, 07:29:01 PM
Duran was already on a long contract & being offered a big increase in salary. They were in no position to insist on a release clause. If there is one, & I doubt there is, it would be closer to £100m.
But if we got £100m I'd take it
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2025, 07:38:36 PM
The idea, from the club's of view of agreeing to a release clause, is that it sets the price at a deliberately restricted value. Because you protect the club against future development. If Duran turns into Messi you'd want to protect against that.
But from the player's point of view, if you've just had a frustrating summer of clubs making a series of bids (which you were clearly keen for your current club to accept) only to see them refused, when contract negotiation time comes around one of the first things you're going to put on the table is "I want it to be clear, in writing, what value you put on me so we don't end up here again".
And I agree, if it's there then I'd imagine it would something high enough to protect our investment, in line with his form at the time and his (presumably) massive new salary. Somewhere between £80-100m would be my guess.
Post by: Beard82 on January 09, 2025, 07:47:55 PM
I think Martinez and possibly Olli could well have one. Martinez almost certainly - I wouldnt be surprised if his was linked to performance of the club. I.e. if we dont qualify for Europe, he can leave for x. Basically he is the best goalkeeper in the world, and hell want to protect himselve from playing for a midtable team during his peak years.Whilst I wouldnt be surprised if he did have a release clause, I dont think that was neccessary the case that he was in a stronger position. Whilst he was on form - he had time left on his contract, plus he nearly signed for West Ham and made a bit of a dick about himself. I think some of it was of him commiting to the club and putting all that mess behind and buying into the role that the club had for him.We don't, but it seems sensible to contemplate a world where there might be one.
I don't see any reason why his agent wouldn't have insisted on it, and any reason why we would have said no.
Release clauses are still the exception in England. There's no reason to assume it would have been "insisted on" whatsoever. He might well have one, talking about it as definite just seems like pessimism for the sake of it.
Optimism or pessimism doesn't come into it. I'm not assuming it would have been insisted on, I just can't think of any reason why they wouldn't have asked for it.
Contract negotiations either happen at a time when the club is in a more powerful position, or at a time when the player is in a more powerful position. Duran signed his contract at a time when (given his form at the time) his position was more powerful than than that of the club. So he was in a position to ask for more, like Grealish and Delph before him were.
There might be one. Or there might not. I'm not particularly concerned either way. But it's still fine to consider the dynamics involved, precedent and come down on a side that is more likely than the other. For example, I'm pretty certain that Rogers wouldn't have one.
So I dont think he had us over a barrel in the way Grealish and Delph did. So if there is a release clause I would expect it to be one the club would be happy with. i see it more similar to Rogers as rewarding a player and showing they are valued and appericated her and considered "key"
Yup, don't really disagree with any of that - but I'd also argue that the Grealish release clause was also one that the club was happy with. If they're not happy with it, they're not going to agree to it. Even Delph to a certain extent. £8m was better than £0m.
But I think this is the most obvious recent example of the club doing whatever they needed to do to quickly secure the future value of an asset - the only other comparable one recently would be Martinez, and he's the only other player in the squad that I think (on balance of probability) might have one.
I agree - the Grealish one was one we would have been happy with I think we got a fair price for him. I dont really have an issue with them and have confident that the club will set them at the right price. After all, even in the dark days we didnt often sell key players for bad amounts. Grealish and Delph wasnt about the money we got, it was about the way they left.
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2025, 08:05:10 PM
I think Martinez and possibly Olli could well have one. Martinez almost certainly - I wouldnt be surprised if his was linked to performance of the club. I.e. if we dont qualify for Europe, he can leave for x. Basically he is the best goalkeeper in the world, and hell want to protect himselve from playing for a midtable team during his peak years.
Yup, reckon you're spot on on the Martinez stuff.
But I don't think Ollie would. If he'd signed the contract at the end of the best season he's ever likely to have, rather than in early autumn before he really started smashing it, I think it would be more likely.
But at the time he signed it, it was more club-in-the-position-to-dictate-terms rather than him.
Post by: john e on January 09, 2025, 08:06:29 PM
Post by: JJ-AV on January 09, 2025, 08:22:46 PM
Would you not be tempted?
Nope.
Leicester could probably have got loads of money for Vardy had they cashed in halfway through the 2015/16 season. They'd have been much richer, and almost certainly have still never have won anything other than the League Cup in their history.
We need to stop trying to sell players the second they start attracting attention if we are ever going to win things again.
That's true, but Leicester were half way to winning the league at that point. After a Summer of FFP restrained transfer business we're not better.
Post by: Dave on January 09, 2025, 08:25:02 PM
Post by: OCD on January 09, 2025, 08:29:56 PM
The owners seemed pretty reluctant to use release clauses following the Grealish affair. Does the fact that there was turnaround in his situation mean there's a release clause? Not necessarily. His salary was quadrupled and he's usurped Watkins as a first team starter and he's had an improved attitude. But it does sound like we were quite quick to give Dortmund a figure if there's the slightest grain of truth in that report.
I think part of Duran's frustrations in the summer were knowing what his salary was compared to what West Ham were prepared to pay him, coupled with being viewed as a senior striker. The new contract remedied those things. Signing a new contract was predictable once we didn't sell him, I called it back then.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 09, 2025, 09:00:31 PM
Now reported over here but all based on the original story.F.C. Copenhagen are in discussions to sign Robin Olsen.Not seen anything reported over here.
@F_Abolhosseini
Probably his level and where he last looked any good.
Post by: eamonn on January 09, 2025, 09:04:36 PM
Durán strikes me as more restless than Grealish and with little ties to us. I'd be more surprised if he doesn't have one. Hopefully we've set it as high as Grealish's.
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2025, 09:07:55 PM
I remember the summer Grealish left, a lot of folk on here were adamant that there was no release clause in his contract. Of course it shouldn't have been a surprise that there was given his previous "disappointment" at not going to Spurs in exchange for Josh Onomah and whatever fell out of Levy's sofa.
Durán strikes me as more restless than Grealish and with little ties to us. I'd be more surprised if he doesn't have one. Hopefully we've set it as high as Grealish's.
Wasn't that mostly because the club had said something suggesting there wasn't one?
Post by: VillaTim on January 09, 2025, 09:08:02 PM
I remember the summer Grealish left, a lot of folk on here were adamant that there was no release clause in his contract. Of course it shouldn't have been a surprise that there was given his previous "disappointment" at not going to Spurs in exchange for Josh Onomah and whatever fell out of Levy's sofa.Given his age , position (Nr 9) and potential I'd hope it's a tad higher . £120m ish
Durán strikes me as more restless than Grealish and with little ties to us. I'd be more surprised if he doesn't have one. Hopefully we've set it as high as Grealish's.
Post by: john2710 on January 09, 2025, 09:23:31 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 09, 2025, 11:27:49 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 10, 2025, 01:13:49 AM
I remember the summer Grealish left, a lot of folk on here were adamant that there was no release clause in his contract. Of course it shouldn't have been a surprise that there was given his previous "disappointment" at not going to Spurs in exchange for Josh Onomah and whatever fell out of Levy's sofa.
Durán strikes me as more restless than Grealish and with little ties to us. I'd be more surprised if he doesn't have one. Hopefully we've set it as high as Grealish's.
Wasn't that mostly because the club had said something suggesting there wasn't one?
I remember when I brought up my confidence that Grealish most likely had a release clause, quite a few disagreed with me on the basis there was no evidence out there (fair enough, I still just thought it was a logical assumption) but I don't recall anything specific being mentioned about the club saying anything. I could be wrong, though, my memory is shite.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 10, 2025, 05:22:05 AM
I remember the summer Grealish left, a lot of folk on here were adamant that there was no release clause in his contract. Of course it shouldn't have been a surprise that there was given his previous "disappointment" at not going to Spurs in exchange for Josh Onomah and whatever fell out of Levy's sofa.Given his age , position (Nr 9) and potential I'd hope it's a tad higher . £120m ish
Durán strikes me as more restless than Grealish and with little ties to us. I'd be more surprised if he doesn't have one. Hopefully we've set it as high as Grealish's.
From what I have seen of him so far, he has got so much potential in a position that there aren't too many elite players around. For example, I think he's got a higher ceiling than Ollie Watkins, but there could be concerns as to whether actually achieve his potential as he does come across as a bit disruptive (may have got that totally wrong).
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 10, 2025, 08:04:37 AM
I remember the summer Grealish left, a lot of folk on here were adamant that there was no release clause in his contract. Of course it shouldn't have been a surprise that there was given his previous "disappointment" at not going to Spurs in exchange for Josh Onomah and whatever fell out of Levy's sofa.Given his age , position (Nr 9) and potential I'd hope it's a tad higher . £120m ish
Durán strikes me as more restless than Grealish and with little ties to us. I'd be more surprised if he doesn't have one. Hopefully we've set it as high as Grealish's.
From what I have seen of him so far, he has got so much potential in a position that there aren't too many elite players around. For example, I think he's got a hugger ceiling than Ollie Watkins, but there could be concerns as to whether actually achieve his potential as he does come across as a bit disruptive (may have got that totally wrong).
I think he just needs an arm around him.
Post by: algy on January 10, 2025, 08:22:24 AM
Rather than trying to sell him to the highest bidder, I think we just need to embrace his talentsI remember the summer Grealish left, a lot of folk on here were adamant that there was no release clause in his contract. Of course it shouldn't have been a surprise that there was given his previous "disappointment" at not going to Spurs in exchange for Josh Onomah and whatever fell out of Levy's sofa.Given his age , position (Nr 9) and potential I'd hope it's a tad higher . £120m ish
Durán strikes me as more restless than Grealish and with little ties to us. I'd be more surprised if he doesn't have one. Hopefully we've set it as high as Grealish's.
From what I have seen of him so far, he has got so much potential in a position that there aren't too many elite players around. For example, I think he's got a hugger ceiling than Ollie Watkins, but there could be concerns as to whether actually achieve his potential as he does come across as a bit disruptive (may have got that totally wrong).
I think he just needs an arm around him.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 10, 2025, 08:49:45 AM
I mean if it was gerrard in charge then i would have massive reservations. But unai will invest that money.
My point being its a win win duran stays or we get a shit load of money to invest and help with FFP
Post by: Rigadon on January 10, 2025, 08:57:30 AM
Lets say there was a 90m release clause in lets use duran as a example - if a club matches that i have faith in unai to use the 90m to make the team better by adding 2 or 3 quality additions.
I mean if it was gerrard in charge then i would have massive reservations. But unai will invest that money.
My point being its a win win duran stays or we get a shit load of money to invest and help with FFP
We'd be losing one of the best prospects in world football and would really struggle to replace him, regardless of who the manager is, so I'm not sure I'd describe it as win win. The most recent examples of us losing great players didn't work out as win wins either - Grealish out, Buendia Ings and Bailey in? Only Bailey you could say has been a success and that's been patchy. The guys we brought in for Luiz - who knows, haven't seen them play yet!
I obviously trust Emery & team more than Gerrard, but let's not pretend losing Duran would be anything other than a setback.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 10, 2025, 09:05:25 AM
Lets say there was a 90m release clause in lets use duran as a example - if a club matches that i have faith in unai to use the 90m to make the team better by adding 2 or 3 quality additions.
I mean if it was gerrard in charge then i would have massive reservations. But unai will invest that money.
My point being its a win win duran stays or we get a shit load of money to invest and help with FFP
We'd be losing one of the best prospects in world football and would really struggle to replace him, regardless of who the manager is, so I'm not sure I'd describe it as win win. The most recent examples of us losing great players didn't work out as win wins either - Grealish out, Buendia Ings and Bailey in? Only Bailey you could say has been a success and that's been patchy. The guys we brought in for Luiz - who knows, haven't seen them play yet!
I obviously trust Emery & team more than Gerrard, but let's not pretend losing Duran would be anything other than a setback.
I think strikers (not at his age and potential) but generally who score goals are easier to replace than a goal keeper or a center back for example)
I mean lets throw a example in oshimen. The guys a top player. If we could get someone like that i think he is as good as durans current ability. Newcastle picked up isak for 60m and look how unbelievable he is. Pur scouting team has certainly improved over the years. Of this was still under the lerner or xia days then i would certainly agree and understand you.
I mean we managed to get better selling grealish who contributed more over a longer period of time. So i do have faith that we will still win if it happened.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 10, 2025, 09:24:14 AM
Post by: paul_e on January 10, 2025, 09:29:45 AM
Lets say there was a 90m release clause in lets use duran as a example - if a club matches that i have faith in unai to use the 90m to make the team better by adding 2 or 3 quality additions.
I mean if it was gerrard in charge then i would have massive reservations. But unai will invest that money.
My point being its a win win duran stays or we get a shit load of money to invest and help with FFP
We'd be losing one of the best prospects in world football and would really struggle to replace him, regardless of who the manager is, so I'm not sure I'd describe it as win win. The most recent examples of us losing great players didn't work out as win wins either - Grealish out, Buendia Ings and Bailey in? Only Bailey you could say has been a success and that's been patchy. The guys we brought in for Luiz - who knows, haven't seen them play yet!
I obviously trust Emery & team more than Gerrard, but let's not pretend losing Duran would be anything other than a setback.
The guy we brought in for Luiz is Tielemans but the players we got from Juve, they were signed to be options going forward. A well organised team (which we are) will know who might want to go and will have plans in place rather than the sort of panic buy that Ings in particular was.
That's not to say I agree with selling Duran, just that I trust this lot we have now to have ideas of how to both replace him in the squad and to use the money in a way to raise the overall level of the squad.
Post by: LeeB on January 10, 2025, 09:49:43 AM
Lets say there was a 90m release clause in lets use duran as a example - if a club matches that i have faith in unai to use the 90m to make the team better by adding 2 or 3 quality additions.
I mean if it was gerrard in charge then i would have massive reservations. But unai will invest that money.
My point being its a win win duran stays or we get a shit load of money to invest and help with FFP
We'd be losing one of the best prospects in world football and would really struggle to replace him, regardless of who the manager is, so I'm not sure I'd describe it as win win. The most recent examples of us losing great players didn't work out as win wins either - Grealish out, Buendia Ings and Bailey in? Only Bailey you could say has been a success and that's been patchy. The guys we brought in for Luiz - who knows, haven't seen them play yet!
I obviously trust Emery & team more than Gerrard, but let's not pretend losing Duran would be anything other than a setback.
I think strikers (not at his age and potential) but generally who score goals are easier to replace than a goal keeper or a center back for example)
I mean lets throw a example in oshimen. The guys a top player. If we could get someone like that i think he is as good as durans current ability. Newcastle picked up isak for 60m and look how unbelievable he is. Pur scouting team has certainly improved over the years. Of this was still under the lerner or xia days then i would certainly agree and understand you.
I mean we managed to get better selling grealish who contributed more over a longer period of time. So i do have faith that we will still win if it happened.
Of course, that's why goalies and defenders always fetch more money and are paid better than goalscorers.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 10, 2025, 09:52:27 AM
Lets say there was a 90m release clause in lets use duran as a example - if a club matches that i have faith in unai to use the 90m to make the team better by adding 2 or 3 quality additions.
I mean if it was gerrard in charge then i would have massive reservations. But unai will invest that money.
My point being its a win win duran stays or we get a shit load of money to invest and help with FFP
We'd be losing one of the best prospects in world football and would really struggle to replace him, regardless of who the manager is, so I'm not sure I'd describe it as win win. The most recent examples of us losing great players didn't work out as win wins either - Grealish out, Buendia Ings and Bailey in? Only Bailey you could say has been a success and that's been patchy. The guys we brought in for Luiz - who knows, haven't seen them play yet!
I obviously trust Emery & team more than Gerrard, but let's not pretend losing Duran would be anything other than a setback.
I think Grealish is a bit of an outlier in that everything went through him so was always difficult to replace, Duran isn’t anything like that, he’s hardly had a run in the team. He’s a fantastic talent and could go on to be a great or he could move and fade away, no one knows. I just feel he’s always going to be talked about as wanting to leave no matter how well we do.
All the talk, on here, of either selling Duran or Watkins and a fair few preferring the latter to go is misguided imo as in a season or two with Duran as the main striker he’d go anyway.
I don’t want either to leave and hope that they’d both be happy but I just don’t think he’s someone we can plan our long term future on.
Liam Delap would be a decent Duran replacement.
Post by: Rigadon on January 10, 2025, 10:10:09 AM
Lets say there was a 90m release clause in lets use duran as a example - if a club matches that i have faith in unai to use the 90m to make the team better by adding 2 or 3 quality additions.
I mean if it was gerrard in charge then i would have massive reservations. But unai will invest that money.
My point being its a win win duran stays or we get a shit load of money to invest and help with FFP
We'd be losing one of the best prospects in world football and would really struggle to replace him, regardless of who the manager is, so I'm not sure I'd describe it as win win. The most recent examples of us losing great players didn't work out as win wins either - Grealish out, Buendia Ings and Bailey in? Only Bailey you could say has been a success and that's been patchy. The guys we brought in for Luiz - who knows, haven't seen them play yet!
I obviously trust Emery & team more than Gerrard, but let's not pretend losing Duran would be anything other than a setback.
I think strikers (not at his age and potential) but generally who score goals are easier to replace than a goal keeper or a center back for example)
I mean lets throw a example in oshimen. The guys a top player. If we could get someone like that i think he is as good as durans current ability. Newcastle picked up isak for 60m and look how unbelievable he is. Pur scouting team has certainly improved over the years. Of this was still under the lerner or xia days then i would certainly agree and understand you.
I mean we managed to get better selling grealish who contributed more over a longer period of time. So i do have faith that we will still win if it happened.
Centre forward is the hardest position to fill with genuine quality, which is why they always cost the most money.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 10, 2025, 10:53:37 AM
Lets say there was a 90m release clause in lets use duran as a example - if a club matches that i have faith in unai to use the 90m to make the team better by adding 2 or 3 quality additions.
I mean if it was gerrard in charge then i would have massive reservations. But unai will invest that money.
My point being its a win win duran stays or we get a shit load of money to invest and help with FFP
We'd be losing one of the best prospects in world football and would really struggle to replace him, regardless of who the manager is, so I'm not sure I'd describe it as win win. The most recent examples of us losing great players didn't work out as win wins either - Grealish out, Buendia Ings and Bailey in? Only Bailey you could say has been a success and that's been patchy. The guys we brought in for Luiz - who knows, haven't seen them play yet!
I obviously trust Emery & team more than Gerrard, but let's not pretend losing Duran would be anything other than a setback.
I think strikers (not at his age and potential) but generally who score goals are easier to replace than a goal keeper or a center back for example)
I mean lets throw a example in oshimen. The guys a top player. If we could get someone like that i think he is as good as durans current ability. Newcastle picked up isak for 60m and look how unbelievable he is. Pur scouting team has certainly improved over the years. Of this was still under the lerner or xia days then i would certainly agree and understand you.
I mean we managed to get better selling grealish who contributed more over a longer period of time. So i do have faith that we will still win if it happened.
Centre forward is the hardest position to fill with genuine quality, which is why they always cost the most money.
I get your point and ive never understood that because you can see how many goal scorers there in football today but how many top keepers is there now days and same with that top level cb?
I mean its going to be almost impossible to replace emi for example compared to duran in my opinion
Post by: LeeB on January 10, 2025, 10:55:14 AM
Post by: Rigadon on January 10, 2025, 10:55:56 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 10, 2025, 11:00:55 AM
This is a wind up, surely?
Whats a windup? Do enlighten us
Given he's literally the best in the world, I agree that will be tricky! Anyway, I hope we keep Duran and he becomes the world class striker he looks like he could be with the Villa, and not some other club.
Absolutely i would rather keep duran than sell. I would rather cash in on ramsey if its ffp reasons we need to sell
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 10, 2025, 11:07:42 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 10, 2025, 11:12:26 AM
We haven’t had a striker at Villa who has scored 20 top flight league goals in a season for 44 years. During that time we’ve had 3 world class keepers and several top class defenders.
Sigh...... I'm dreaming of Watkins having a barnstorming run of games until the end of the season, and hitting that target, overtaking Agbonlahor, McParland, Withe and Yorke in the process.
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2025, 12:21:28 PM
@mundodeportivo
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 10, 2025, 12:26:20 PM
Aston Villa has now communicated its intention to trigger the €20m release clause in Oscar Mingueza’s contract.
@mundodeportivo
Oooooh I love it when we trigger things !!
Post by: Rigadon on January 10, 2025, 12:28:30 PM
Aston Villa has now communicated its intention to trigger the €20m release clause in Oscar Mingueza’s contract.
@mundodeportivo
Oooooh I love it when we trigger things !!
Settle down, we appear to have only communicated our intention to trigger.
Post by: eamonn on January 10, 2025, 12:31:48 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 10, 2025, 12:35:55 PM
Aston Villa has now communicated its intention to trigger the €20m release clause in Oscar Mingueza’s contract.
@mundodeportivo
Oooooh I love it when we trigger things !!
Settle down, we appear to have only communicated our intention to trigger.
can I love a pre trigger trigger ??
Post by: Demitri_C on January 10, 2025, 12:36:54 PM
We haven’t had a striker at Villa who has scored 20 top flight league goals in a season for 44 years. During that time we’ve had 3 world class keepers and several top class defenders.
So do you not deem watkins as world class then as he hasnt scored 20 goals?
Thats not to measure how a striker is world class or not. We have had some exceptional strikers more than keepers. Ollie, benteke, angel, yorke, dublin, carew to name a few
Defenders southgate, laursen melllberg, mings, mcgrath to name afew.
No keeper since 92/93 when i got into football has come close to martinez for me. Bosnich was good probably closest, friedel was ok, sorensen same along with given was good. But martinez has for me been best in my life time
Post by: jwarry on January 10, 2025, 12:44:00 PM
Aston Villa has now communicated its intention to trigger the €20m release clause in Oscar Mingueza’s contract.
@mundodeportivo
Is he any good? From what I can see Vigo only paid €3m for his and he’s only played three games this season?
Post by: john e on January 10, 2025, 12:46:40 PM
not as much as I was with Grealish but getting there
even if we collected 100 mill what does that get you, 2 Onanas,
I know it doesn’t work that way but you get the point
I don’t expect Durán to be with us long term but I’d like another couple of seasons watching him become the best in the world
Post by: Rigadon on January 10, 2025, 12:47:24 PM
Aston Villa has now communicated its intention to trigger the €20m release clause in Oscar Mingueza’s contract.
@mundodeportivo
Oooooh I love it when we trigger things !!
Settle down, we appear to have only communicated our intention to trigger.
can I love a pre trigger trigger ??
Knock yourself out (not literally).
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 10, 2025, 12:49:17 PM
Post by: FatSam on January 10, 2025, 12:50:04 PM
I don’t think that’s right. I heard on the All Villa No Filler podcast that he’s got 7 goal involvements in something like 18 games, and has made the last few Spain squads.Aston Villa has now communicated its intention to trigger the €20m release clause in Oscar Mingueza’s contract.
@mundodeportivo
Is he any good? From what I can see Vigo only paid €3m for his and he’s only played three games this season?
Post by: FatSam on January 10, 2025, 12:52:40 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 10, 2025, 01:01:23 PM
Aston Villa has now communicated its intention to trigger the €20m release clause in Oscar Mingueza’s contract.
@mundodeportivo
Oooooh I love it when we trigger things !!
Settle down, we appear to have only communicated our intention to trigger.
I am going to shoot my load at this news
Im so ashamed of myself 🥵
Post by: rooboy316 on January 10, 2025, 01:05:29 PM
Aston Villa has now communicated its intention to trigger the €20m release clause in Oscar Mingueza’s contract.
@mundodeportivo
Oooooh I love it when we trigger things !!
Settle down, we appear to have only communicated our intention to trigger.
Only fair to give them an opportunity to prepare to brace themselves for a bid.
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2025, 01:17:28 PM
Aston Villa has now communicated its intention to trigger the €20m release clause in Oscar Mingueza’s contract.
@mundodeportivo
Is he any good? From what I can see Vigo only paid €3m for his and he’s only played three games this season?
I don't think wiki is the place to go. He's played virtually the entire season.
Post by: Rigadon on January 10, 2025, 01:57:07 PM
Aston Villa has now communicated its intention to trigger the €20m release clause in Oscar Mingueza’s contract.
@mundodeportivo
Oooooh I love it when we trigger things !!
Settle down, we appear to have only communicated our intention to trigger.
Only fair to give them an opportunity to prepare to brace themselves for a bid.
Indeed. I've no doubt that we'll be swooping in to sign him soon, no doubt using our transfer warchest to get the deal over the line before the window slams shut.
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2025, 02:00:16 PM
@FabriceHawkins
Appears to have a gobby fucking agent.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 10, 2025, 02:19:17 PM
PSG have contacted Jhon Durán.
@FabriceHawkins
Appears to have a gobby fucking agent.
PSG can afford to pony up the full release clause and pay big wages, so that story may well have legs.
For Durans obvious talent and star factor, he is more likely to be the next Balotelli than the next Van Basten. If we do get £80m it sees us free of FFP issues for the next couple of seasons and would allow us to sort central defence and right back postions out and still leave plenty in the kitty for good forward that can compete with Watkins.
If Philogene and Carlos go too, I can see us signing 2-3 good players now and still having money to spend in the summer.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 10, 2025, 02:21:15 PM
PSG have contacted Jhon Durán.
@FabriceHawkins
Appears to have a gobby fucking agent.
If true there might be legs to the minimum release clause otherwise they will easily be paying over 80-90m with how long he has left on his contract
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2025, 02:29:24 PM
@J_Tanswell
Aston Villa are in advanced talks to sign Tidiam Gomis from SM Caen.
The 18-year-old is highly rated by Villa’s recruitment staff and scouting circles, having signed his first professional contract in September 2022 and made his debut the following year. That made him the fourth youngest player in Caen’s history.
The France youth international has played for every age group between under-16 and under-19, but is out of contract this summer.
Villa will likely pay a small fee for the winger who will be viewed as one for the future, much like Kosta Nedeljkovic when he signed from Crvena Zvezda last season.
A deal has not been finalised but Villa are pushing ahead to complete an agreement. Gomis has made 17 appearances in Ligue 2 this term, scoring twice and registering two assists.
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2025, 02:31:26 PM
Meanwhile, Celta Vigo’s Oscar Mingueza remains a candidate to sign at right-back. However, Villa are considering a handful of other options with profit and sustainability rules (PSR) still needing to be factored in.
Jaden Philogene underwent his medical at Ipswich Town yesterday, ahead of finalising a move worth £20million plus £3m in add-ons — while other potential departures include Louie Barry and a loan move for goalkeeper Joe Gauci.
Central defender Diego Carlos has interest from Turkey but any move would depend on whether the fee offered is high enough for Villa to accept and be able to find an adequate replacement.
There have been reports linking Villa to a loan for Paris Saint-Germain centre-back Milan Skriniar, but any potential move is made difficult by his prohibitive salary.
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2025, 03:46:48 PM
Marco Asensio is being tracked by Aston Villa.
@FabriceHawkins
Post by: SaddVillan on January 10, 2025, 04:55:23 PM
Here's a old one that's just resurfaced...
Marco Asensio is being tracked by Aston Villa.
@FabriceHawkins
This is from RMC Sports website, Fabrice Hawkins is one of their journos. It's a Google translation of the original article which is why the English is a bit clumsy.
Paris Saint-Germain is interested in Colombian striker Jhon Duran, who shines at Aston Villa. But the case is not easy for the Parisian club during the winter transfer window.
According to information from RMC Sport, PSG is interested in Colombian international striker Jhon Duran (21 years old). Arriving at Aston Villa in January 2023 for €16 million from MLS and the Chicago Fire, he has seen his rating explode in recent months.
Despite the cutting-edge competition from England's Ollie Watkins, he has already scored 12 goals in 26 appearances this season in all competitions with Unai Emery, and has made his mark with some pearlers
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2025, 05:08:52 PM
@aspor
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2025, 05:13:57 PM
I'll add a little more to that....Here's a old one that's just resurfaced...
Marco Asensio is being tracked by Aston Villa.
@FabriceHawkins
This is from RMC Sports website, Fabrice Hawkins is one of their journos. It's a Google translation of the original article which is why the English is a bit clumsy.
Paris Saint-Germain is interested in Colombian striker Jhon Duran, who shines at Aston Villa. But the case is not easy for the Parisian club during the winter transfer window.
According to information from RMC Sport, PSG is interested in Colombian international striker Jhon Duran (21 years old). Arriving at Aston Villa in January 2023 for €16 million from MLS and the Chicago Fire, he has seen his rating explode in recent months.
Despite the cutting-edge competition from England's Ollie Watkins, he has already scored 12 goals in 26 appearances this season in all competitions with Unai Emery, and has made his mark with some pearlers
"Marco Asensio could leave PSG in the coming weeks. The profile of the Spanish striker interests Aston Villa, who could lose Jhon Duran during this same transfer window.
Marco Asensio heading to the Premier League ? According to our information, the Spanish international, relegated to the PSG bench for several weeks, is of interest to Aston Villa.
British leaders like the versatile profile of the Parisian striker who could strengthen a sector where several Aston Villa players are courted. Starting with the Colombian center forward Jhon Duran , appreciated by several European clubs including... PSG, as revealed by RMC Sport.
>> All the latest transfer news live
Asensio to lower Duran's rating?
If the discussions do not, at this stage, concern a crossover between Asensio and Duran, this mutual interest could allow the Parisian club to lighten the bill in the event that the arrival of the young 21-year-old South American nugget materializes. Because even in the case where the two players were to cross paths between France and England, which is not said, PSG would have to add an additional compensation to conclude the deal.
Arriving as a free agent in the summer of 2023 from Real Madrid , Marco Asensio has only played 18 short minutes in eight games since his last start, during the Parisian victory against Toulouse (3-0) on November 22. He will not be retained by the capital club in the event of an offer."
Post by: ozzjim on January 10, 2025, 05:43:17 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 10, 2025, 08:57:18 PM
villa have been absolute rubbish
yrp
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2025, 09:27:27 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 10, 2025, 09:27:58 PM
keane ,Is the Roy Keane deal still on?
villa have been absolute rubbish
yrp
Post by: Demitri_C on January 10, 2025, 09:36:43 PM
Aston Villa and Oscar Mingueza, deal on… and #AVFC director Monchi in attendance at Rayo-Celta tonight.
Exciting news thanks for this
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 10, 2025, 10:46:30 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 11, 2025, 09:27:30 AM
Another bargain bucket option. Borja Sainz at Norwich, 23, basque, top scorer in the championship so far, 15 goals so far.
Never seen him or even heard of him tbh but we could send Buendia the other way.
He's like the player El Ghazi wanted to be but never was.
Now banned for six matches for spitting at an opponent, the filthy animal.
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2025, 09:33:23 AM
Another bargain bucket option. Borja Sainz at Norwich, 23, basque, top scorer in the championship so far, 15 goals so far.
Never seen him or even heard of him tbh but we could send Buendia the other way.
He's like the player El Ghazi wanted to be but never was.
Now banned for six matches for spitting at an opponent, the filthy animal.
As bad as spitting is, I still find it annoying that a disgusting but ultimately harmless action cops a six game ban while Brighton lad that attempted GBH is free to crack on.
Post by: Small Rodent on January 11, 2025, 10:09:45 AM
Aston Villa and Oscar Mingueza, deal on… and #AVFC director Monchi in attendance at Rayo-Celta tonight.
I saw some of the game in a bar I was in last night (no Villa being shown). He was reasonably involved in the game.
Post by: LeeB on January 11, 2025, 10:38:43 AM
Aston Villa and Oscar Mingueza, deal on… and #AVFC director Monchi in attendance at Rayo-Celta tonight.
I saw some of the game in a bar I was in last night (no Villa being shown). He was reasonably involved in the game.
Fair play, I thought he'd retired from playing some time back.
Post by: Tuscans on January 11, 2025, 03:27:28 PM
@sachatavolieri
Post by: Tuscans on January 11, 2025, 06:13:16 PM
@MatteMoretto
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2025, 06:53:47 PM
keane ,Is the Roy Keane deal still on?
villa have been absolute rubbish
yrp
What's the legend again - we were in for him and he would have won us the league but once Yanited came calling that was it?
Post by: Demitri_C on January 11, 2025, 07:01:52 PM
Aston Villa wants to pay Oscar Mingueza's €20m release clause — everything depends on the player now.
@MatteMoretto
Hopefully pau can have a word to help. We got CL surely he will want to be part of that?
Post by: Drummond on January 11, 2025, 08:54:19 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 11, 2025, 08:57:01 PM
Kyle Walker?
God almighty no, well past it.
Post by: Richard E on January 11, 2025, 09:39:19 PM
Kyle Walker?
God almighty no, well past it.
He wants to ‘explore his options for playing abroad.’
Translation - ‘he wants a massive payday in Saudi Arabia to fund his divorce settlement.’
Post by: AV84 on January 11, 2025, 09:40:42 PM
Kyle Walker?
God almighty no, well past it.
He wants to ‘explore his options for playing abroad.’
Translation - ‘he wants a massive payday in Saudi Arabia to fund his divorce settlement.’
Leave him alone, its not easy supporting two families these days.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 11, 2025, 10:53:34 PM
Kyle Walker?
Good god no. In his prime a brilliant player, but he’s gone.
Post by: eamonn on January 11, 2025, 11:29:55 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 11, 2025, 11:37:19 PM
Didn't he whip his willy out at a bar a year or so ago?
Those present noted that he was no Lyndon B. Johnson.
Post by: Tuscans on January 11, 2025, 11:38:25 PM
Didn't he whip his willy out at a bar a year or so ago?If you want the link just say it.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 12, 2025, 12:45:03 AM
Kyle Walker?
Good god no. In his prime a brilliant player, but he’s gone.
Seen a couple of clips from this season where people have blown past him and it looks like his legs are going, if not gone already. If that's the case, can't blame him looking for a massive payday (not that he isn't on massive money already, meant an unbelievably massive payday out in Saudi).
Post by: Rigadon on January 12, 2025, 07:18:28 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14273359/PSG-Aston-Villa-Jhon-Duran-French-champions.html
AS EARLY AS THIS MONTH. Apparently.
Post by: jwarry on January 12, 2025, 07:24:27 AM
Aston Villa are now closing in on Tidiam Gomis — he will spend the rest of the season on loan at Caen.
@sachatavolieri
YT clips make him look like a young Watkins
Post by: Demitri_C on January 12, 2025, 09:09:40 AM
Sorry for the daily hate link. £80m with Muani as part of it:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14273359/PSG-Aston-Villa-Jhon-Duran-French-champions.html
AS EARLY AS THIS MONTH. Apparently.
His stats dont look great tbh.
In the league 10 apps, 2 goals 1 assist
Last season
26 apps 6 goals 5 assists
Doesnt seem a big goal scorer. Would rather take the money and get our own striker in if we were to sell duran.
I still think oshimen would be a brilliant replacement. Only issue with him is wages but he scores goals and would be a fantastic signing for us
Post by: DrGonzo on January 12, 2025, 10:11:50 AM
Post by: KevinGage on January 12, 2025, 10:24:14 AM
Unless the deal is this lad + £80 million to us = avoid
Post by: eye digress on January 12, 2025, 10:52:23 AM
Post by: olaftab on January 12, 2025, 10:59:06 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on January 12, 2025, 11:18:08 AM
Muani is another Rashford. We DO NOT want players with that attitude at Villa Park. If someone wants to pay us silly money sell the kid but just do not take in players other clubs don't want as part of the deal.
I don’t anything about Muani but we all thought Duran had an attitude problem a few months ago and the manager and his team appear to have smoothed off the rough edges. I am confident that they would not consider signing players if they weren’t similarly confident they could do the same with them.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 12, 2025, 11:33:20 AM
Muani is another Rashford. We DO NOT want players with that attitude at Villa Park. If someone wants to pay us silly money sell the kid but just do not take in players other clubs don't want as part of the deal.
Not sure about his attitude but when I’ve seen him play I’ve never thought he was great, so for that reason alone I’d rather not have him.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 12, 2025, 11:49:02 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2025, 11:53:21 AM
PSG believe they can sign him. Yeah of course they do.
We’d be fucking insane to sell him while about to qualify for the next round of the CL.
Post by: LeeB on January 12, 2025, 11:56:58 AM
It's bollocks anyway.
Post by: eye digress on January 12, 2025, 12:08:36 PM
Muani is another Rashford. We DO NOT want players with that attitude at Villa Park. If someone wants to pay us silly money sell the kid but just do not take in players other clubs don't want as part of the deal.Not saying he is what we need, but just looking at the local press, there’s no evidence of a bad attitude, rather to the contrary in fact.
Seems that he has struggled to adapt to Enrique’s game plan (which puts him in decent company with Dembele).
One prolific season in the Bundesliga in 22-23 (30 odd appearances, as many goals and assists, evenly split), but his real strike rate as judged by his averages looks to be something more like one in three.
Post by: jwarry on January 12, 2025, 02:43:58 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 12, 2025, 02:51:51 PM
Not exactly a stellar goal record.
Unless the deal is this lad + £80 million to us = avoid
Even then. I'd rather take a risk on the footballing Ollie Watkins, Gonçalo Ramos than Muani, despite his shocking injury/sickness record at PSG. Proper footballer and goalscorer (when he plays).
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 12, 2025, 05:59:45 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 12, 2025, 06:18:15 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 12, 2025, 06:22:57 PM
Why were Monchi and Vidigny at Seville vs Valencia last night? Just noticed Nyland plays for Seville!
Might have been checking out Barrenachea while they were over there.
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2025, 06:26:17 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 12, 2025, 06:31:26 PM
Might just have been that they were in Spain anyway for the Celta Vigo game and Monchi fancied catching up with the gang from his Sevilla stints rather than looking at anyone in particular.
Vidigny was connected to Valencia too wasn’t he?
Post by: Dave on January 12, 2025, 06:34:01 PM
Might just have been that they were in Spain anyway for the Celta Vigo game and Monchi fancied catching up with the gang from his Sevilla stints rather than looking at anyone in particular.
Vidigny was connected to Valencia too wasn’t he?
Good point. Probably just too many half-reasons to go (the Barrenechea one mentioned above too) to not make an appearance.
Also - those links to Ned, they could have been chatting about that. Although apparently they're signing Max Aarons from Bournemouth, so they wouldn't need both.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 12, 2025, 06:37:36 PM
Might just have been that they were in Spain anyway for the Celta Vigo game and Monchi fancied catching up with the gang from his Sevilla stints rather than looking at anyone in particular.
Maybe the paella's better there than in Brum.
Post by: ozzjim on January 13, 2025, 07:23:47 AM
Post by: Tuscans on January 13, 2025, 11:48:55 AM
Why were Monchi and Vidigny at Seville vs Valencia last night? Just noticed Nyland plays for Seville!Aston Villa have enquired about Sevilla defender Loïc Badé.
@Tanziloic
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2025, 11:51:41 AM
Why were Monchi and Vidigny at Seville vs Valencia last night? Just noticed Nyland plays for Seville!Aston Villa have enquired about Sevilla defender Loïc Badé.
@Tanziloic
€50m release clause apparently. No idea if he’s any good, but I’d rather have a dominant right-sided centre-back than a new right-back.
Deal agreed with Dortmund for Malen.
Post by: Tuscans on January 13, 2025, 12:01:19 PM
@JPercyTelegraph
Post by: OCD on January 13, 2025, 01:02:51 PM
Why were Monchi and Vidigny at Seville vs Valencia last night? Just noticed Nyland plays for Seville!Aston Villa have enquired about Sevilla defender Loïc Badé.
@Tanziloic
Say hello to the bad guy.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 13, 2025, 01:11:45 PM
Aston Villa are also expected to ramp up their interest in Oscar Mingueza, with Diego Carlos still in talks over a move to Fenerbahçe.
@JPercyTelegraph
oooh I love it when we ramp things up
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2025, 01:15:52 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2025, 01:17:02 PM
Would be a dream window if we get Donny, a centre-half & right-back… and Dougie.
That won't happen because 1 of them would have to sit out on Europe.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2025, 01:19:33 PM
Would be a dream window if we get Donny, a centre-half & right-back… and Dougie.
That won't happen because 1 of them would have to sit out on Europe.
Even if Gauchi and/or Ned go on loan?
Come to think of it, we can only add three to the CL squad no matter where they’re from. I think that’s right?
Post by: Somniloquism on January 13, 2025, 01:23:55 PM
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2025, 01:26:39 PM
Would be a dream window if we get Donny, a centre-half & right-back… and Dougie.
That won't happen because 1 of them would have to sit out on Europe.
Even if Gauchi and/or Ned go on loan?
Someone else would need to drop out of the squad to make space (I assume those two spots paul's already handed to your players on your list of new arrivals).. Philogene leaving doesn't open up a space in the CL squad, as he fills one of the four club-trained spots.
Our main Champions League squad is basically Ramsey + 21 other players, two of whom need to be goalkeepers.
Edit - also you can only register three news players for the knock-outs that you didn't have for the league stage. That's probably more straightforward and what Paul was getting at.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 13, 2025, 01:28:31 PM
Would be a dream window if we get Donny, a centre-half & right-back… and Dougie.
That won't happen because 1 of them would have to sit out on Europe.
The FA Cup winners medal may soften the blow.
Post by: Tuscans on January 13, 2025, 01:30:24 PM
@yakupcinar
Post by: London Villan on January 13, 2025, 01:34:01 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 13, 2025, 01:34:05 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 13, 2025, 01:37:06 PM
Yasin Özcan will have his medical at Aston Villa tomorrow — he will spend the rest of the season on loan at Kasımpaşa. Fee is €7m + €1m in add-ons.
@yakupcinar
Could do with him now
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2025, 01:41:25 PM
Would it not be a bit of a gamble having only two goalies in Europe, or are we allowed to just put a kid on the bench in emergencies?
We need to have at least three across the main squad and the youth. I assume that we've included all of Olsen / Emi / Gauchi in the main squad up to now because there was no reason not to as there wasn't anyone omitted that we wanted to include.
Three shiny new signings though might mean that we're happy to use Zych (who along with Proctor and Lewis is named in the Champions League squad) instead of Gauchi and give his spot to Malen / AN Other.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 13, 2025, 01:42:13 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 13, 2025, 01:42:17 PM
Yasin Özcan will have his medical at Aston Villa tomorrow — he will spend the rest of the season on loan at Kasımpaşa. Fee is €7m + €1m in add-ons.
@yakupcinar
Sounds like yet a other left footed centre back?
Post by: Somniloquism on January 13, 2025, 01:46:07 PM
Would it not be a bit of a gamble having only two goalies in Europe, or are we allowed to just put a kid on the bench in emergencies?
We only need a minimum of two GK on list A, we have three others listed on list B (Proctor, Zych and Lewis).
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 13, 2025, 01:50:03 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 13, 2025, 01:54:21 PM
Why were Monchi and Vidigny at Seville vs Valencia last night? Just noticed Nyland plays for Seville!Aston Villa have enquired about Sevilla defender Loïc Badé.
@Tanziloic
Just read he was as Forest a couple of years a go and never make a single appearance
Post by: OCD on January 13, 2025, 02:03:25 PM
Yasin Özcan will have his medical at Aston Villa tomorrow — he will spend the rest of the season on loan at Kasımpaşa. Fee is €7m + €1m in add-ons.
@yakupcinar
Sounds like yet a other left footed centre back?
Probably Mings' long-term replacement, like how the French lad from Caen might be McGinn's long-term replacement.
Post by: OCD on January 13, 2025, 02:05:59 PM
Another one for the future, but apparently we are looking at Nathan Lowe, who has been scoring at Walsall, who is owned by Stoke.
Good goals record for his age. Stoke have recalled him.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 13, 2025, 02:06:03 PM
Just read he was as Forest a couple of years a go and never make a single appearance
Wouldn't read too much into it. He was 22 and Forest bought in 23 players that summer including three other central defenders.
Post by: Tuscans on January 13, 2025, 02:10:23 PM
@SportsPeteO
If they have I imagine Sullivan has come in with a lower offer than last summers offer...or a straight swap for Antonio, knowing him.
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2025, 02:10:35 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2025, 02:20:22 PM
Just read he was as Forest a couple of years a go and never make a single appearance
Wouldn't read too much into it. He was 22 and Forest bought in 23 players that summer including three other central defenders.
I don't think they could register him in the premier league squad so he only joined their reserves, I'm sure I saw a story about it at some point because he went on to have a really good 2nd half of the season at Seville and some Foest fans were upset about it.
Post by: AV84 on January 13, 2025, 02:21:30 PM
Aston Villa have rejected a bid from West Ham for Jhon Durán.
@SportsPeteO
If they have I imagine Sullivan has come in with a lower offer than last summers offer...or a straight swap for Antonio, knowing him.
I was just thinking about them last night when I read the donkey they signed instead of Duran is out for a couple of months. Is Ings their only striker now?
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2025, 02:23:36 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 13, 2025, 02:25:20 PM
Right now, Fullkrug, Antonio and I suppose Bowen tooAston Villa have rejected a bid from West Ham for Jhon Durán.
@SportsPeteO
If they have I imagine Sullivan has come in with a lower offer than last summers offer...or a straight swap for Antonio, knowing him.
I was just thinking about them last night when I read the donkey they signed instead of Duran is out for a couple of months. Is Ings their only striker now?
Post by: Somniloquism on January 13, 2025, 02:26:00 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2025, 02:26:48 PM
Right now, Fullkrug, Antonio and I suppose Bowen tooAston Villa have rejected a bid from West Ham for Jhon Durán.
@SportsPeteO
If they have I imagine Sullivan has come in with a lower offer than last summers offer...or a straight swap for Antonio, knowing him.
I was just thinking about them last night when I read the donkey they signed instead of Duran is out for a couple of months. Is Ings their only striker now?
Yes, but Fullkrug limped off and who knows when Antonio will be back given he's lucky if he ever plays again.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 13, 2025, 02:40:05 PM
Would it not be a bit of a gamble having only two goalies in Europe, or are we allowed to just put a kid on the bench in emergencies?
We only need a minimum of two GK on list A, we have three others listed on list B (Proctor, Zych and Lewis).
What happened to Emery Jr? Or do they have to be home grown?
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2025, 02:43:59 PM
Would it not be a bit of a gamble having only two goalies in Europe, or are we allowed to just put a kid on the bench in emergencies?
We only need a minimum of two GK on list A, we have three others listed on list B (Proctor, Zych and Lewis).
What happened to Emery Jr? Or do they have to be home grown?
They need to spend 2 years at the club at U21 level to be eligible for list 'b', so he's not been here long enough.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 13, 2025, 02:44:20 PM
Would it not be a bit of a gamble having only two goalies in Europe, or are we allowed to just put a kid on the bench in emergencies?
We only need a minimum of two GK on list A, we have three others listed on list B (Proctor, Zych and Lewis).
What happened to Emery Jr? Or do they have to be home grown?
Well been at the club development for three years before the age of 21, but yes he doesn't qualify for list B.
Post by: andyh on January 13, 2025, 02:47:08 PM
Antonio is 34.Right now, Fullkrug, Antonio and I suppose Bowen tooAston Villa have rejected a bid from West Ham for Jhon Durán.
@SportsPeteO
If they have I imagine Sullivan has come in with a lower offer than last summers offer...or a straight swap for Antonio, knowing him.
I was just thinking about them last night when I read the donkey they signed instead of Duran is out for a couple of months. Is Ings their only striker now?
Yes, but Fullkrug limped off and who knows when Antonio will be back given he's lucky if he ever plays again.
I can’t see him coming back and playing in the PL again.
Post by: TaxDodger on January 13, 2025, 02:50:46 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 13, 2025, 02:57:33 PM
Would it not be a bit of a gamble having only two goalies in Europe, or are we allowed to just put a kid on the bench in emergencies?
We only need a minimum of two GK on list A, we have three others listed on list B (Proctor, Zych and Lewis).
What happened to Emery Jr? Or do they have to be home grown?
Well been at the club development for three years before the age of 21, but yes he doesn't qualify for list B.
3 years for them to be eligible for a club-trained spot on the a list or 2 years at the club (not including loans out) and still U21 to be on b.
Post by: JJ-AV on January 13, 2025, 03:04:25 PM
We must have only 7 or 8 now? Cash, Konsa, Mings, Barkley, Rogers, Ramsey, Ollie + Malen.
Suppose there's Bogarde and Iling Junior who may be part of the longer-term plans but I wouldn't be surprised to see us target English players in the Summer.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 13, 2025, 03:12:33 PM
I know Malen counts as HG but slightly concerned about our lack of HG players.
We must have only 7 or 8 now? Cash, Konsa, Mings, Barkley, Rogers, Ramsey, Ollie + Malen.
Suppose there's Bogarde and Iling Junior who may be part of the longer-term plans but I wouldn't be surprised to see us target English players in the Summer.
Martinez counts.
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2025, 03:12:36 PM
I know Malen counts as HG but slightly concerned about our lack of HG players.
We must have only 7 or 8 now? Cash, Konsa, Mings, Barkley, Rogers, Ramsey, Ollie + Malen.
Suppose there's Bogarde and Iling Junior who may be part of the longer-term plans but I wouldn't be surprised to see us target English players in the Summer.
For European competition it needs to be eight, four of whom need to be club trained. Don't think Malen counts, he was at Arsenal for two years and it needs to be three full years to count I believe.
So I don't see any scenario where we are struggling to find four players from twenty five who came through the English football system, but as with this season the four club-trained ones are where we might struggle for a while yet.
Post by: andyh on January 13, 2025, 03:24:50 PM
I know Malen counts as HG but slightly concerned about our lack of HG players.Why are you slightly concerned ?
We must have only 7 or 8 now? Cash, Konsa, Mings, Barkley, Rogers, Ramsey, Ollie + Malen.
Suppose there's Bogarde and Iling Junior who may be part of the longer-term plans but I wouldn't be surprised to see us target English players in the Summer.
I am sure the club knows what’s what.
Post by: Dave on January 13, 2025, 03:28:15 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 13, 2025, 04:41:41 PM
In what world do West Ham think they're actually going to be able to sign Jhon Duran this transfer window? Did they miss the first six months of the season?
On KUMB they reckon they've bid £60m, but even they realise that ship has sailed and he'd be mad to go to them after his performances this season. They're very envious of the Malen signing though, and our recruitment and business model in general.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 13, 2025, 05:42:25 PM
€13m = £11m.
Cheerio - presuming we've got an upgrade lined up.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 13, 2025, 05:47:38 PM
In what world do West Ham think they're actually going to be able to sign Jhon Duran this transfer window? Did they miss the first six months of the season?they'd have to sell their ground....
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 13, 2025, 05:57:58 PM
After they spent so much money on.....oh.In what world do West Ham think they're actually going to be able to sign Jhon Duran this transfer window? Did they miss the first six months of the season?they'd have to sell their ground....
Post by: Mister E on January 13, 2025, 06:36:14 PM
Seriously? - the whole link is a pisstake!Antonio is 34.Yes, but Fullkrug limped off and who knows when Antonio will be back given he's lucky if he ever plays again.Right now, Fullkrug, Antonio and I suppose Bowen tooAston Villa have rejected a bid from West Ham for Jhon Durán.I was just thinking about them last night when I read the donkey they signed instead of Duran is out for a couple of months. Is Ings their only striker now?
@SportsPeteO
If they have I imagine Sullivan has come in with a lower offer than last summers offer...or a straight swap for Antonio, knowing him.
I can’t see him coming back and playing in the PL again.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 13, 2025, 09:36:13 PM
They don’t own it.In what world do West Ham think they're actually going to be able to sign Jhon Duran this transfer window? Did they miss the first six months of the season?they'd have to sell their ground....
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 13, 2025, 10:42:49 PM
They don’t own it.In what world do West Ham think they're actually going to be able to sign Jhon Duran this transfer window? Did they miss the first six months of the season?they'd have to sell their ground....
I would imagine that's the joke.
Post by: sid1964 on January 14, 2025, 07:17:43 AM
It would seem that we need to sell first to buy players.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 14, 2025, 07:18:23 AM
Now that Ipswich are only "fairly confident" of getting the deal done for Philogene - if the transfer for him does not happen, would this mean that the only incoming deal we will do this window is for Malen?The joys of PSR.
It would seem that we need to sell first to buy players.
Post by: Gareth on January 14, 2025, 07:24:31 AM
It would seem that we need to sell first to buy players.
Surely that isn’t a surprise to anyone?
As PSR will again be top of the agenda today as today is the day anyone who has breached it will be announced
Post by: Lsvilla on January 14, 2025, 11:57:43 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 14, 2025, 12:02:46 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 14, 2025, 12:42:55 PM
@Record_Portugal
Post by: ozzjim on January 14, 2025, 01:01:38 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 14, 2025, 01:21:44 PM
Despite several days of negotiations, final bid has not been accepted by Villa and there are more clubs now joining the race for Diego Carlos.
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2025, 01:23:13 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 14, 2025, 01:23:36 PM
No agreement between Fenerbahçe and Aston Villa for Diego Carlos.
Despite several days of negotiations, final bid has not been accepted by Villa and there are more clubs now joining the race for Diego Carlos.
A bidding war?
Post by: algy on January 14, 2025, 01:25:33 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 14, 2025, 01:28:51 PM
I hope they've started to prepare their bids.Before the window slams shut.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2025, 01:30:18 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 14, 2025, 01:38:16 PM
Discussions started to explore January move, as L’Équipé reported. He’s high on Villa list for both Monchi and Unai Emery.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhQeMpcWgAAYhyx?format=jpg&name=medium)
Post by: Rigadon on January 14, 2025, 01:41:27 PM
🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa have opened talks with Sevilla for Loïc Badé as concrete option and target.
Discussions started to explore January move, as L’Équipé reported. He’s high on Villa list for both Monchi and Unai Emery.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhQeMpcWgAAYhyx?format=jpg&name=medium)
Centre half then. Carlos replacement?
Post by: Tuscans on January 14, 2025, 01:48:05 PM
Looks a tidy player, got a bit of the Salibas about him.🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa have opened talks with Sevilla for Loïc Badé as concrete option and target.
Discussions started to explore January move, as L’Équipé reported. He’s high on Villa list for both Monchi and Unai Emery.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhQeMpcWgAAYhyx?format=jpg&name=medium)
Centre half then. Carlos replacement?
Post by: Drummond on January 14, 2025, 02:12:50 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 14, 2025, 02:16:28 PM
Goes without saying, but another possible case would be Diego Carlos for another centre-back.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 14, 2025, 02:30:50 PM
Bade, Bade, Bade, Boom!
Love that 😂
Post by: Tuscans on January 14, 2025, 02:49:54 PM
@sebnonda
Post by: Demitri_C on January 14, 2025, 03:37:01 PM
Post by: OCD on January 14, 2025, 03:41:53 PM
Aston Villa have asked for information about Mainz defender Anthony Caci.
@sebnonda
27 year old left back. Unlikely unless we're planning Digne's replacement.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 14, 2025, 04:04:41 PM
Aston Villa have asked for information about Mainz defender Anthony Caci.
@sebnonda
27 year old left back. Unlikely unless we're planning Digne's replacement.
Apparently* he’s two-footed and has been playing on the right this season, so could be something in it.
*only going off a tweet I just read.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 14, 2025, 04:06:02 PM
Aston Villa have asked for information about Mainz defender Anthony Caci.
@sebnonda
Think we bought him in the summer
27 year old left back. Unlikely unless we're planning Digne's replacement.
Think we bought him in the summer
Post by: Tuscans on January 14, 2025, 04:16:13 PM
Digne contract is up in the summer and will probably go on a free so need will need competition with Maatsen.Aston Villa have asked for information about Mainz defender Anthony Caci.
@sebnonda
Think we bought him in the summer
27 year old left back. Unlikely unless we're planning Digne's replacement.
Think we bought him in the summer
Post by: VillaTim on January 14, 2025, 04:16:40 PM
You can never have too many LB's in Unais mind .Aston Villa have asked for information about Mainz defender Anthony Caci.
@sebnonda
27 year old left back. Unlikely unless we're planning Digne's replacement.
We are assembling a herd .
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2025, 04:19:28 PM
Digne contract is up in the summer and will probably go on a free so need will need competition with Maatsen.Aston Villa have asked for information about Mainz defender Anthony Caci.
@sebnonda
Think we bought him in the summer
27 year old left back. Unlikely unless we're planning Digne's replacement.
Think we bought him in the summer
No it isn't. Summer '26.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 14, 2025, 04:24:01 PM
Quote
Emery: "If we are changing the players, Malen for Jaden is the first. Maybe the possibility of two or three players more we can do another deal, until the last days of the window."
Is this an actual quote?
Post by: AV84 on January 14, 2025, 04:24:50 PM
Digne contract is up in the summer and will probably go on a free so need will need competition with Maatsen.Aston Villa have asked for information about Mainz defender Anthony Caci.
@sebnonda
Think we bought him in the summer
27 year old left back. Unlikely unless we're planning Digne's replacement.
Think we bought him in the summer
No it isn't. Summer '26.
I was thinking we'd be mad to be in a position where he could go on a free after the last season and a half he's had for us. If we had to sell him now I reckon he'd be worth a fair bit.
Post by: Dave on January 14, 2025, 04:27:29 PM
I was thinking we'd be mad to be in a position where he could go on a free after the last season and a half he's had for us. If we had to sell him now I reckon he'd be worth a fair bit.
I dunno about a "fair bit". His age and wage mean that his suitors would be limited. Even so, I think a two year extension is more likely than us selling him.
Assuming he was happy with that of course, there was obviously talk that he fancied being back in France the summer before last so might be happy to see out his existing deal.
Post by: eye digress on January 14, 2025, 06:56:39 PM
QuoteEmery: "If we are changing the players, Malen for Jaden is the first. Maybe the possibility of two or three players more we can do another deal, until the last days of the window."
Is this an actual quote?
Yes.
So Carlos plus at least one (less anticipated) departure?
Barry, Buendia? Bogarde?
Definitely a "B".
Post by: paul_e on January 14, 2025, 06:58:35 PM
QuoteEmery: "If we are changing the players, Malen for Jaden is the first. Maybe the possibility of two or three players more we can do another deal, until the last days of the window."
Is this an actual quote?
Yes.
So Carlos plus at least one (less anticipated) departure?
Barry, Buendia? Bogarde?
Definitely a "B".
Given the state of the squad for Europe I'd keep Barry, Bogarde and Swinkels around as they're 3 of the youth players most likely to be able to offer something if we get many more injuries.
Post by: Rigadon on January 14, 2025, 06:59:51 PM
QuoteEmery: "If we are changing the players, Malen for Jaden is the first. Maybe the possibility of two or three players more we can do another deal, until the last days of the window."
Is this an actual quote?
Yes.
So Carlos plus at least one (less anticipated) departure?
Barry, Buendia? Bogarde?
Definitely a "B".
I'd guess the outs will be Carlos (sold) and Barry (sold) and maybe Buendia (loan).
Post by: Rigadon on January 15, 2025, 06:31:43 AM
Doug-like transfer virtue signalling from the West Ham owners.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 15, 2025, 09:30:36 AM
But this was the period when forest went football manager mode and signed every player they could get their hands on
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2025, 09:32:08 AM
QuoteEmery: "If we are changing the players, Malen for Jaden is the first. Maybe the possibility of two or three players more we can do another deal, until the last days of the window."
Is this an actual quote?
Yes.
So Carlos plus at least one (less anticipated) departure?
Barry, Buendia? Bogarde?
Definitely a "B".
I think Buendia may have pulled off a Villa career saving cameo against West Ham.
Post by: eamonn on January 15, 2025, 10:12:36 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 15, 2025, 10:30:44 AM
Hope so. Love the little imp.
I would start him tonight
Post by: Smithy on January 15, 2025, 10:34:49 AM
QuoteEmery: "If we are changing the players, Malen for Jaden is the first. Maybe the possibility of two or three players more we can do another deal, until the last days of the window."
Is this an actual quote?
Yes.
So Carlos plus at least one (less anticipated) departure?
Barry, Buendia? Bogarde?
Definitely a "B".
I think Buendia may have pulled off a Villa career saving cameo against West Ham.
Yep, he was very good. I still worry about him being caught on the ball (which seems to happen to him a disproportionate amount), but he works incredibly hard, and his positioning, turn and pass in the lead-up to the goal against West Ham was top-class. He's proven he can be useful in helping to break down tiring defences, even if he's probably not going to replace anyone in the starting 11.
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2025, 10:56:43 AM
It was only half an hour but it was enough to put that concern to bed.
Post by: Tuscans on January 15, 2025, 11:16:34 AM
@Africafoot_com
Post by: Tuscans on January 15, 2025, 11:17:07 AM
It is expected that today there will be a new meeting between Aston Villa & Sevilla to finalize the operation.
@VMScom
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2025, 11:20:12 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2025, 11:22:02 AM
Aston Villa have offered €15m + €5m in add-ons for Loïc Badé — Sevilla have now requested €22m + €5m in add-ons + Diego Carlos on loan. @VMScom via @Sport_Witness
It is expected that today there will be a new meeting between Aston Villa & Sevilla to finalize the operation.
@VMScom
I'd go back with €23m but they have to keep Carlos permanently.
Post by: KevinGage on January 15, 2025, 11:51:39 AM
Shirley we need a chunk of any fee he may generate for PSR and all that jazz.
Post by: Clampy on January 15, 2025, 12:03:29 PM
Can't see us sanctioning Carlos on loan as part of the deal.
Shirley we need a chunk of any fee he may generate for PSR and all that jazz.
I agree and don't call me Shirley.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 15, 2025, 12:04:42 PM
Can't see us sanctioning Carlos on loan as part of the deal.
Shirley we need a chunk of any fee he may generate for PSR and all that jazz.
I agree and don't call me Shirley.
shirley you cant be serious !!??
Post by: Border villan on January 15, 2025, 12:17:39 PM
Can't see us sanctioning Carlos on loan as part of the deal.
Shirley we need a chunk of any fee he may generate for PSR and all that jazz.
I agree and don't call me Shirley.
shirley you cant be serious !!??
Shirley you can’t call him a can’t can you?
Post by: OCD on January 15, 2025, 12:23:29 PM
Aston Villa have offered €15m + €5m in add-ons for Loïc Badé — Sevilla have now requested €22m + €5m in add-ons + Diego Carlos on loan. @VMScom via @Sport_Witness
It is expected that today there will be a new meeting between Aston Villa & Sevilla to finalize the operation.
@VMScom
I'd go back with €23m but they have to keep Carlos permanently.
Daniel Levy eat your heart out.
Post by: OCD on January 15, 2025, 12:24:03 PM
In recent hours, Aston Villa has submitted a second offer of just over €4m for Tidiam Gomis — Villa are ahead of Leipzig in negotiations.
@Africafoot_com
Thought he would be cheaper than that because he's out of contract in the summer.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 15, 2025, 12:35:47 PM
Aston Villa have offered €15m + €5m in add-ons for Loïc Badé — Sevilla have now requested €22m + €5m in add-ons + Diego Carlos on loan. @VMScom via @Sport_Witness
It is expected that today there will be a new meeting between Aston Villa & Sevilla to finalize the operation.
@VMScom
Decent pass:
https://x.com/laligaextra/status/1848109425023758362?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2025, 12:37:12 PM
Can't see us sanctioning Carlos on loan as part of the deal.
Shirley we need a chunk of any fee he may generate for PSR and all that jazz.
I agree and don't call me Shirley.
shirley you cant be serious !!??
Shirley you can’t call him a can’t can you?
*adopts South African accent*
No Alan you can't!"
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 15, 2025, 01:24:48 PM
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 15, 2025, 01:32:48 PM
Can't see us sanctioning Carlos on loan as part of the deal.
Shirley we need a chunk of any fee he may generate for PSR and all that jazz.
I agree and don't call me Shirley.
shirley you cant be serious !!??
Shirley you can’t call him a can’t can you?
*apodts South African accent*
No Alan you can't!"
i've not seen much of Barca this season but i've heard about their high line. it makes ours from Emery's first season look positively backs to the walls!
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 15, 2025, 01:39:38 PM
🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa have opened talks with Sevilla for Loïc Badé as concrete option and target.
Discussions started to explore January move, as L’Équipé reported. He’s high on Villa list for both Monchi and Unai Emery.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhQeMpcWgAAYhyx?format=jpg&name=medium)
I like centre halfs who have a face like a welders bench - and he looks like a tough bastard
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 15, 2025, 03:12:36 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 15, 2025, 04:27:30 PM
Post by: lovejoy on January 15, 2025, 04:30:30 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 15, 2025, 04:33:27 PM
Can't be or he'd have his own thread by now.
Yes where are the bloody threads!!
Post by: PeterWithe on January 15, 2025, 06:55:45 PM
I'm losing track, is this the young Turk?
Yes, and don't let 'em ever change your point of view.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 15, 2025, 07:31:05 PM
I'm losing track, is this the young Turk?
No this is
(https://i.ibb.co/9VgwzVJ/Screenshot-20250115-193023-Chrome.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9VgwzVJ)
Post by: tomd2103 on January 16, 2025, 12:07:46 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 16, 2025, 04:55:40 PM
@DSportsRadio
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 16, 2025, 05:30:24 PM
River Plate have asked for the conditions to sign Emi Buendía.Please don’t take my Emi away.
@DSportsRadio
Post by: Gareth on January 16, 2025, 05:39:14 PM
River Plate have asked for the conditions to sign Emi Buendía.
@DSportsRadio
First they need to ask the bill payers permission
Post by: Rigadon on January 16, 2025, 05:40:27 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 16, 2025, 05:42:15 PM
I can’t imagine an Argentinian club would have the untold millions it would undoubtedly take to buy Martínez.
Erm.....
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 16, 2025, 05:50:30 PM
I can’t imagine an Argentinian club would have the untold millions it would undoubtedly take to buy Martínez.
That's why they asked about Buendia. He's half his size.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 16, 2025, 06:59:13 PM
River Plate have asked for the conditions to sign Emi Buendía.
Monchi rebuffed their approach by demanding a mar del plata.
Post by: Rigadon on January 16, 2025, 07:22:12 PM
I can’t imagine an Argentinian club would have the untold millions it would undoubtedly take to buy Martínez.
Erm.....
AH - that's what I get for skim reading and not paying enough attention. Must do better!
Post by: eamonn on January 16, 2025, 11:08:00 PM
Post by: Dave on January 16, 2025, 11:28:37 PM
We're never breaking even on little Emi, but I imagine he's got enough in the tank that he could easily be the attacking midfielder for the bottom third of the Premier League, and that's more valuable than what Argentinian clubs are paying.
Post by: Drummond on January 17, 2025, 12:03:50 AM
It's a terrible affliction of the modern age, skim-reading. Understandable but not excusable.
Agreed, terribly excusable.
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2025, 01:28:19 AM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 17, 2025, 12:51:18 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 17, 2025, 01:08:11 PM
Although - whichever Emi it is, his point still stands. The biggest transfer fee ever in the Argentinian league is around £10m.
We're never breaking even on little Emi, but I imagine he's got enough in the tank that he could easily be the attacking midfielder for the bottom third of the Premier League, and that's more valuable than what Argentinian clubs are paying.
Yeah he’s definitely Premier League quality, but not good enough to regularly start for a team competing for Europe.
Post by: Tuscans on January 17, 2025, 01:56:33 PM
@DepCOPEValencia
Post by: KevinGage on January 17, 2025, 02:09:05 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 17, 2025, 02:10:20 PM
@relevo
Post by: LeeS on January 17, 2025, 02:10:31 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2025, 02:17:25 PM
Aston Villa are going all out for Levante’s Andrés García.
@DepCOPEValencia
Left out of training today, and is finalising his departure. https://x.com/apuntesports/status/1880256115939877012
Post by: LeeB on January 17, 2025, 02:25:26 PM
Aston Villa are going all out for Levante’s Andrés García.
@DepCOPEValencia
Left out of training today, and is finalising his departure. https://x.com/apuntesports/status/1880256115939877012
They wear crappy Macron kits, poor sods.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2025, 02:27:39 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 17, 2025, 02:27:53 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2025, 02:29:57 PM
Aston Villa are going all out for Levante’s Andrés García.
@DepCOPEValencia
Left out of training today, and is finalising his departure. https://x.com/apuntesports/status/1880256115939877012
They wear crappy Macron kits, poor sods.
The name of the back of his shirt reads GAR IA.
Post by: Tuscans on January 17, 2025, 02:30:27 PM
@marca
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 17, 2025, 02:30:31 PM
Is he any good? Not one I’ve heard of.
No idea. Given he's 21 and has played 38 times in the Spanish second division, I'd imagine he's more of a 'prospect' than potential first-teamer.
Post by: Tuscans on January 17, 2025, 02:32:17 PM
Is he any good? Not one I’ve heard of.Judging by the classic clips, good upper body strength, very good crosser of the ball, technically sound and relatively quick and nice eyes.
Post by: OCD on January 17, 2025, 02:45:45 PM
Is he any good? Not one I’ve heard of.Judging by the classic clips, good upper body strength, very good crosser of the ball, technically sound and relatively quick and nice eyes.
Didn't spot the last one but saw the other things in the video I watched. Seems to match up with the well rounded profile we seem to go for. For the price, has the potential to be bit of a bargain.
Post by: KevinGage on January 17, 2025, 02:52:08 PM
Is he any good? Not one I’ve heard of.Judging by the classic clips, good upper body strength, very good crosser of the ball, technically sound and relatively quick and nice eyes.
That's important, with Alex Moreno unlikely to return.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2025, 02:54:44 PM
The likelihood for specific player threads Andrés García and Loïc Badé although must have (Speculation) in thread title not to mislead until official
Diego Carlos and Kosta Nedeljković have their own threads, so it could be argued as only fair for their replacements to have their own discussion thread with speculation included in title .
I'm making enquiries here as I won't start any new speculation threads if not wished for. It's best to do what the overall community suggest.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 17, 2025, 03:01:04 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 17, 2025, 03:01:55 PM
Is he any good? Not one I’ve heard of.Judging by the classic clips, good upper body strength, very good crosser of the ball, technically sound and relatively quick and nice eyes.
That's important, with Alex Moreno unlikely to return.
is he not right sided ?
Post by: Louzie0 on January 17, 2025, 03:02:01 PM
[Malen - too soon?] (https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=65526.msg4744586#msg4744586)
Post 186 and a few.
Then
287 and onwards!
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2025, 03:06:24 PM
Is he any good? Not one I’ve heard of.Judging by the classic clips, good upper body strength, very good crosser of the ball, technically sound and relatively quick and nice eyes.
I'm updating my dating profile to this. Maybe leave out the relatively quick bit.
Post by: Tuscans on January 17, 2025, 03:06:45 PM
Is he cockeyed?Is he any good? Not one I’ve heard of.Judging by the classic clips, good upper body strength, very good crosser of the ball, technically sound and relatively quick and nice eyes.
That's important, with Alex Moreno unlikely to return.
is he not right sided ?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 17, 2025, 03:09:44 PM
Is he cockeyed?Is he any good? Not one I’ve heard of.Judging by the classic clips, good upper body strength, very good crosser of the ball, technically sound and relatively quick and nice eyes.
That's important, with Alex Moreno unlikely to return.
is he not right sided ?
probably just the way he walks
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2025, 03:15:52 PM
Have a read of this, Footy :)
[Malen - too soon?] (https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=65526.msg4744586#msg4744586)
Post 186 and a few.
Then
287 and onwards!
Please no extra threads unless they're signed, it's so unnecessary and clogs the board up
Understood.
And new years wishes to you both offering a year of hope and happiness to you and our club !
And our club is 150 years old that's amazing!
Thank You.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 17, 2025, 03:33:51 PM
Is he any good? Not one I’ve heard of.Judging by the classic clips, good upper body strength, very good crosser of the ball, technically sound and relatively quick and nice eyes.
I'm updating my dating profile to this. Maybe leave out the relatively quick bit.
Honestly is the best policy…they’ll only be disappointed.
Post by: KevinGage on January 17, 2025, 04:05:24 PM
Is he any good? Not one I’ve heard of.Judging by the classic clips, good upper body strength, very good crosser of the ball, technically sound and relatively quick and nice eyes.
That's important, with Alex Moreno unlikely to return.
is he not right sided ?
The eyes to the right have it.
Post by: Tuscans on January 17, 2025, 04:47:45 PM
@superdeporte_es
Post by: VillaTim on January 17, 2025, 04:54:01 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 17, 2025, 04:57:47 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Danso
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 17, 2025, 05:06:30 PM
Someone’s on the wind up surely
Post by: Somniloquism on January 17, 2025, 05:09:26 PM
I assume whoever alerted Beard was probably the culprit.
Post by: Beard82 on January 17, 2025, 05:25:50 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on January 17, 2025, 05:30:22 PM
We are in the market for a CB with Carlos (seemingly) on his way - either that makes the wiki update more credible or a reflection of an approach. UTV
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 17, 2025, 05:32:26 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2025, 05:33:12 PM
https://x.com/_avfcolly/status/1880285472473416037?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2025, 05:42:06 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 17, 2025, 05:43:40 PM
I’m hoping the Loic Bade links are true. He looks fucking fantastic, Van Dyke levels.
Hopefully he doesn't just see Villa as a stepping stone.
Post by: OCD on January 17, 2025, 05:48:51 PM
I’m hoping the Loic Bade links are true. He looks fucking fantastic, Van Dyke levels.
https://x.com/_avfcolly/status/1880285472473416037?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Funnily enough, there are reports that say Liverpool viewed him as VDV's long-term replacement.
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2025, 05:59:16 PM
I’m hoping the Loic Bade links are true. He looks fucking fantastic, Van Dyke levels.
Hopefully he doesn't just see Villa as a stepping stone.
Or that once he's got his big move he can treat the whole thing like a jolly holiday.
Post by: Tuscans on January 17, 2025, 06:07:59 PM
Deal set to be sealed, as
@relevo
reports.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2025, 06:13:05 PM
Dean Smith is close to signing Wilf Zaha.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2025, 06:13:44 PM
I’m hoping the Loic Bade links are true. He looks fucking fantastic, Van Dyke levels.
Hopefully he doesn't just see Villa as a stepping stone.
It’s at this time in a player’s Villa career when we can embrace the prospect of him being brilliant for two years and leaving for £80m. In two years’ time, we reserve the right to hate him for that.
Post by: thick_mike on January 17, 2025, 06:14:01 PM
Just thought interesting to mention our old boss who now at MLS Charlotte.
Dean Smith is close to signing Wilf Zaha.
Finally!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 17, 2025, 06:27:29 PM
I’m hoping the Loic Bade links are true. He looks fucking fantastic, Van Dyke levels.
Hopefully he doesn't just see Villa as a stepping stone.
It’s at this time in a player’s Villa career when we can embrace the prospect of him being brilliant for two years and leaving for £80m. In two years’ time, we reserve the right to hate him for that.
Like every player, if a man has dreams, we can't do anything and as long as we cash in big, not a bag of corn to feed the birds, we'll be fine.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 17, 2025, 06:29:31 PM
I’m hoping the Loic Bade links are true. He looks fucking fantastic, Van Dyke levels.
Hopefully he doesn't just see Villa as a stepping stone.
Or that once he's got his big move he can treat the whole thing like a jolly holiday.
Indeed. I love to laugh as much as the next man unless that next man is Percy.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2025, 06:41:58 PM
Only 3 new players can be registered for Champs League squad
Bringing in a Champions League experienced player for remainder of season would be astute move.
Perhaps former Real Madrid man Asensio , at PSG, in on loan and Buenida Out
Or is it the 3
Philogene - Malen
Carlos- Bade
Nedeljković - Garcia
I'm fascinated by the one in one out theory and what squad departures and arrivals will be occurring other than the above.
There's still 17 days to speculate for first team arrivals but maybe it's a total of 4 in 4 out?
I could see Gauci being loaned out and being replaced by an outfield player which make it 5 and 5 but there's not too much more to move on till summer I suspect.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2025, 06:43:55 PM
I’m hoping the Loic Bade links are true. He looks fucking fantastic, Van Dyke levels.
https://x.com/_avfcolly/status/1880285472473416037?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Funnily enough, there are reports that say Liverpool viewed him as VDV's long-term replacement.
Did you know Bade was signed up at Forest but never made an appearance.
I predict he's going to be Carlos replacement
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2025, 07:00:21 PM
Post by: Dave on January 17, 2025, 07:02:02 PM
Zaha to Charlotte...really? Why aren't Prem clubs in for him?
He would have to pay UK tax on all his lovely (currently) tax-free Turkish money.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2025, 07:46:39 PM
I’m hoping the Loic Bade links are true. He looks fucking fantastic, Van Dyke levels.
https://x.com/_avfcolly/status/1880285472473416037?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Funnily enough, there are reports that say Liverpool viewed him as VDV's long-term replacement.
Did you know Bade was signed up at Forest but never made an appearance.
I predict he's going to be Carlos replacement
Yes. I think you’ll find most of us on here are football fans.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2025, 07:50:12 PM
Great player. RIP.
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on January 17, 2025, 07:55:44 PM
Denis Law has died. That’s the end of The Transfer Show on SSN then.Very sad news. Tremendous player. RIP.
Great player. RIP.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 17, 2025, 08:09:52 PM
Zaha to Charlotte...really? Why aren't Prem clubs in for him?
He would have to pay UK tax on all his lovely (currently) tax-free Turkish money.
He also can't play for an English team because he has already played for two teams this season. The rule doesn't apply to the MLS because it's classed as "a single entity structured division" and therefore isn't affected by the rules.
Post by: UK Redsox on January 17, 2025, 08:32:56 PM
Zaha to Charlotte...really? Why aren't Prem clubs in for him?
He’s 32
Post by: john e on January 17, 2025, 08:39:15 PM
Zaha to Charlotte...really? Why aren't Prem clubs in for him?
He’s 32
I thought he was older than that to be honest
Post by: AV84 on January 17, 2025, 10:48:55 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2025, 11:03:37 PM
Zaha to Charlotte...really? Why aren't Prem clubs in for him?
He’s 32
Not exactly James Milner territory. Wilf's built like an ox.
Post by: ozzjim on January 17, 2025, 11:07:11 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 17, 2025, 11:13:03 PM
🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa have opened talks with Sevilla for Loïc Badé as concrete option and target.
Discussions started to explore January move, as L’Équipé reported. He’s high on Villa list for both Monchi and Unai Emery.
Post by: ozzjim on January 17, 2025, 11:17:01 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2025, 11:30:02 PM
Fabrizio just retweeted his older tweet...could be on soon.
🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa have opened talks with Sevilla for Loïc Badé as concrete option and target.
Discussions started to explore January move, as L’Équipé reported. He’s high on Villa list for both Monchi and Unai Emery.
I hope Fab’s right on this one.
Post by: Tuscans on January 17, 2025, 11:34:37 PM
I think this is done.Fabrizio just retweeted his older tweet...could be on soon.
🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa have opened talks with Sevilla for Loïc Badé as concrete option and target.
Discussions started to explore January move, as L’Équipé reported. He’s high on Villa list for both Monchi and Unai Emery.
I hope Fab’s right on this one.
Aston Villa are intensifying talks with Sevilla for Loïc Badé.
@sebnonda
Post by: Tuscans on January 17, 2025, 11:36:04 PM
@MatteMoretto
Probably wanted the release clause at £20M Euros and we're putting our eggs into Maalen, Garcia and Bade...plus the turk and french winger.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 17, 2025, 11:40:44 PM
I think this is done.Fabrizio just retweeted his older tweet...could be on soon.
🚨🟣🔵 Aston Villa have opened talks with Sevilla for Loïc Badé as concrete option and target.
Discussions started to explore January move, as L’Équipé reported. He’s high on Villa list for both Monchi and Unai Emery.
I hope Fab’s right on this one.
Aston Villa are intensifying talks with Sevilla for Loïc Badé.
@sebnonda
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Post by: Hillbilly on January 18, 2025, 12:09:15 AM
Post by: Matt C on January 18, 2025, 12:14:14 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 18, 2025, 12:15:46 AM
Edit: https://youtu.be/s9V3KQnhiH0?si=GFx2evzapP9dGE-W
Post by: LeonW on January 18, 2025, 08:16:31 AM
Post by: dave shelley on January 18, 2025, 08:38:56 AM
We need the French H&Vers here for pronunciation guidance. Is it Loy-ick, Loyke or something else?
Sounds like a yam-yam whichever way. 😉
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 18, 2025, 09:20:21 AM
We need the French H&Vers here for pronunciation guidance. Is it Loy-ick, Loyke or something else?
Low-eek.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 18, 2025, 09:53:39 AM
I hope Fab’s right on this one.
It still sounds positive about the Badé deal this morning. https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1880545163380138236
Post by: Steve67 on January 18, 2025, 10:14:46 AM
We need the French H&Vers here for pronunciation guidance. Is it Loy-ick, Loyke or something else?
Low-eek.
Let's hope we let out too many of them if and when he's playing for us! That would be really Bade.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 18, 2025, 10:24:48 AM
Post by: paul_e on January 18, 2025, 12:00:21 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 18, 2025, 01:06:17 PM
Completed Pending
In
Yasin Oczan €8m Andres Garcia €7m
Donyell Malen €23m Tidiam Gomis €3m
Loic Balde €25m
Total €66m
Out
Philogene €24m Carlos €13m
Total €37m
Net spend €29m
We've upgraded at right back, centre half and inside forward as well as signing some future potential
Another Monchi masterclass.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 18, 2025, 01:15:14 PM
If we have a decent hit-rate on the future ones then we can start to spend bigger on the ‘now’ players.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 18, 2025, 01:34:04 PM
Post by: Matt C on January 18, 2025, 01:57:06 PM
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 18, 2025, 02:03:57 PM
Has Oczan been confirmed?Oczan.........you don't have to put up a red light.
Post by: Londonvilla on January 18, 2025, 03:50:56 PM
Leeds wished for a loan last summer though it never came. Since beginning only two of 17 matches in all competitions this term, Emery has freshly told our colleagues at Birmingham Live that the playmaker could make a switch in the coming weeks.
https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/aston-villa-boss-gives-leeds-30812126
It is a no from me unless Barry stays or we bring another forward.
If he does go, I would want a high loan fee.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 18, 2025, 04:00:18 PM
If Buendia leaves, someone can pay us a transfer fee. Otherwise keep him. I've no wish to do Leeds a favour.
Only way I'd sanction a loan is if it's with an obligation to buy. Say £20 million if they go up, £15 million if they stay down.
Post by: paul_e on January 18, 2025, 05:03:39 PM
FUCK NO, Villa!
If Buendia leaves, someone can pay us a transfer fee. Otherwise keep him. I've no wish to do Leeds a favour.
Only way I'd sanction a loan is if it's with an obligation to buy. Say £20 million if they go up, £15 million if they stay down.
but we don't have space in the European squad for him as things stand.
Post by: LeeB on January 18, 2025, 05:27:40 PM
FUCK NO, Villa!
If Buendia leaves, someone can pay us a transfer fee. Otherwise keep him. I've no wish to do Leeds a favour.
Only way I'd sanction a loan is if it's with an obligation to buy. Say £20 million if they go up, £15 million if they stay down.
but we don't have space in the European squad for him as things stand.
I think the important point is 'not Leeds'.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 18, 2025, 05:55:40 PM
FUCK NO, Villa!
If Buendia leaves, someone can pay us a transfer fee. Otherwise keep him. I've no wish to do Leeds a favour.
Only way I'd sanction a loan is if it's with an obligation to buy. Say £20 million if they go up, £15 million if they stay down.
Completely agree CD
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 18, 2025, 06:29:24 PM
FUCK NO, Villa!
If Buendia leaves, someone can pay us a transfer fee. Otherwise keep him. I've no wish to do Leeds a favour.
Only way I'd sanction a loan is if it's with an obligation to buy. Say £20 million if they go up, £15 million if they stay down.
In the crazy world of transfer fees anything is possible but I’d be amazed if we could get £15m for Buendia or is this just a Leeds tax?
Post by: Rigadon on January 18, 2025, 06:46:38 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 18, 2025, 06:47:23 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 18, 2025, 07:06:43 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 18, 2025, 07:13:11 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 18, 2025, 07:28:36 PM
Unfortunate name but where we buying him from?
Haha! ‘Wrong thread’.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 18, 2025, 09:36:41 PM
Unfortunate name but where we buying him from?
Stockley Park Rangers
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 18, 2025, 09:39:36 PM
Buy a fucking right back. Now.
Not like our right back assisted an excellent cross tonight
Post by: Matt C on January 18, 2025, 09:58:51 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 18, 2025, 10:01:52 PM
Bogarde is also a handy option as can play in various roles
Post by: Steve67 on January 18, 2025, 10:46:54 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 18, 2025, 10:50:03 PM
I hope Bade and Garcia are seen as replacements for Konsa and Cash. Hope both deals come off.Alternatives rather than replacements I would have thought particularly Konsa.
Post by: Steve67 on January 18, 2025, 10:53:31 PM
I hope Bade and Garcia are seen as replacements for Konsa and Cash. Hope both deals come off.Alternatives rather than replacements I would have thought particularly Konsa.
Konsa is a better player next to Mings, but he shouldn't be guaranteed games. His general defending has been weak for many weeks. Hopefully Bade coming in will give him the kick up the pants he needs because we know Konsa can be quality.
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2025, 12:18:53 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 19, 2025, 10:11:47 AM
Wouldn't mind a loan defensively minded midfielder in to finish off the window. Luiz would be nice.
I’d love him to come back, but we can only add three to our CL squad apparently.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 19, 2025, 10:16:42 AM
I’d love him back. Get the Kamara and Luis band back together.
Post by: KevinGage on January 19, 2025, 10:19:49 AM
He had five decent years with us and is prob after different experiences at this point (not sure splinters on the Juve bench was part of that masterplan, mind).
But if we're looking at another midfielder between now and the summer it needs to be someone of that profile; someone who is comfortable taking the ball deep and breaking the press. But also has a bit of imagination to their passes further up the field.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 19, 2025, 10:37:33 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 19, 2025, 10:50:16 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 19, 2025, 10:55:05 AM
Get him in on loan then in the summer look to shift Buendia, Barrenechea, Barkley, Bogarde (operation B) to balance the books.
Are we keeping Barry, Barkley and Bouba?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 19, 2025, 10:59:15 AM
Get him in on loan then in the summer look to shift Buendia, Barrenechea, Barkley, Bogarde (operation B) to balance the books.
Are we keeping Barry, Barkley and Bouba?
Surnames only. Kamara stays but Barry can be added to the sales list. Who needs a scouts around the world and huge database. Easy.
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2025, 12:10:32 PM
Get him in on loan then in the summer look to shift Buendia, Barrenechea, Barkley, Bogarde (operation B) to balance the books.
Are we keeping Barry, Barkley and Bouba?
He has correctly dumped Ross.
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2025, 12:11:08 PM
Buy a fucking right back. Now.
Not like our right back assisted an excellent cross tonight
Yeah but that was with his wrong foot.
Post by: Londonvilla on January 19, 2025, 02:46:25 PM
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/swansea-city-keen-on-versatile-aston-villa-lamare-bogarde-in-potential-loan-deal/
Hoffenheim and also three Championship clubs made formal approach to sign Lamare Bogarde on loan. Aston Villa have still not opened the doors as he also performed at top level yesterday vs Arsenal. Unai Emery at the moment wants him to stay. pic.twitter.com/5No8CjergE
— Fabrizio Romano (@FabrizioRomano) January 19, 2025
Hoffenheim, yes Swansea may be a step back in his development.
Post by: AV84 on January 19, 2025, 02:53:07 PM
Post by: garyellis on January 19, 2025, 02:56:09 PM
Is he relying on McGinn, Barkley and Onana being injured though, to get playing time here?He should be fine if he is
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2025, 03:28:44 PM
Post by: danno on January 19, 2025, 04:57:51 PM
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 19, 2025, 05:24:57 PM
Is he relying on McGinn, Barkley and Onana being injured though, to get playing time here?
He can cover multiple positions, and given we're still in 3 competitions - that sort of flexibility is useful to keep in the squad.
The thing that screwed us last season was injuries to our midfielders, meaning the ones who were fit were exhausted. It's useful to have another body, especially if he can actually do a job.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 19, 2025, 05:30:09 PM
Yes Onana looks like he should be twinned with St John’s Ambulance, Barkley has allways been a bit injury prone and SJM has hamstring issues which tend not to go away.Is he relying on McGinn, Barkley and Onana being injured though, to get playing time here?He should be fine if he is
So keep as he did a very good job last night.
Post by: Ian. on January 19, 2025, 05:59:15 PM
Are we buying a centre back? I’ve not paid much attention.
Apparently so with Carlos likely to leave.
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2025, 07:35:08 AM
Yes Onana looks like he should be twinned with St John’s Ambulance, Barkley has allways been a bit injury prone and SJM has hamstring issues which tend not to go away.Is he relying on McGinn, Barkley and Onana being injured though, to get playing time here?He should be fine if he is
So keep as he did a very good job last night.
Unless you bring Barronechea back to cover them and send Bogarde out to get games in holding mid.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2025, 08:08:07 AM
Yes Onana looks like he should be twinned with St John’s Ambulance, Barkley has allways been a bit injury prone and SJM has hamstring issues which tend not to go away.Is he relying on McGinn, Barkley and Onana being injured though, to get playing time here?He should be fine if he is
So keep as he did a very good job last night.
Unless you bring Barronechea back to cover them and send Bogarde out to get games in holding mid.
Bring Dougie back. Him, Malen and Bade can go in the CL squad. Garcia can wait, with Cash and Konsa here.
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2025, 08:44:52 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 20, 2025, 09:15:42 AM
Post by: OCD on January 20, 2025, 10:39:58 AM
Post by: jwarry on January 20, 2025, 11:10:04 AM
Diego Carlos to Fenerbahçe, here we go! Deal in place with Aston Villa as Brazilian defender will fly to Istanbul tonight.
Transfer fee expected to be in excess of €10m with Aston Villa keen on Loïc Badé as replacement.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2025, 11:21:47 AM
Post by: lovejoy on January 20, 2025, 11:23:28 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 20, 2025, 11:30:08 AM
I would love to have Doug back, but there is absolutely zero chance it’ll happen.
Yeah i agree we would have bought him in already if we wanted him. Think he goes citeh or spurs and we live to regret it
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 20, 2025, 11:31:25 AM
Post by: Richard E on January 20, 2025, 11:37:11 AM
Carlos leaving means there's definitely a replacement on the way in.
Although in fairness it need only be a lamppost or a traffic cone.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 20, 2025, 11:57:15 AM
Carlos leaving means there's definitely a replacement on the way in.
Although in fairness it need only be a lamppost or a traffic cone.
That only gives us like for like though
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 20, 2025, 12:01:14 PM
Carlos leaving means there's definitely a replacement on the way in.
You would thinks so , younger and on less money
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 12:02:59 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 20, 2025, 12:07:33 PM
Seems a bit silly to be letting players go before the end of the Champions League Group Stage.
I suspect we would be playing this differently if we didn't have to think about FFP. But yeah, I get what you mean, and is the bloke from Seville we're replacing him with even going to be eligible for the CL?
Post by: KevinGage on January 20, 2025, 12:08:52 PM
Romano
Diego Carlos to Fenerbahçe, here we go! Deal in place with Aston Villa as Brazilian defender will fly to Istanbul tonight.
Transfer fee expected to be in excess of €10m with Aston Villa keen on Loïc Badé as replacement.
Lovely stuff.
Post by: OCD on January 20, 2025, 12:10:58 PM
Seems a bit silly to be letting players go before the end of the Champions League Group Stage.
Carlos was suspended for the Monaco game anyway.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 20, 2025, 12:20:38 PM
Seems a bit silly to be letting players go before the end of the Champions League Group Stage.
I suspect we would be playing this differently if we didn't have to think about FFP. But yeah, I get what you mean, and is the bloke from Seville we're replacing him with even going to be eligible for the CL?
Once the group stage is over, yeah. I think.
Post by: Dave on January 20, 2025, 12:21:31 PM
Seems a bit silly to be letting players go before the end of the Champions League Group Stage.
I suspect we would be playing this differently if we didn't have to think about FFP. But yeah, I get what you mean, and is the bloke from Seville we're replacing him with even going to be eligible for the CL?
Cup-tied isn't a thing in Europe anymore
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 12:32:12 PM
Seems a bit silly to be letting players go before the end of the Champions League Group Stage.
I suspect we would be playing this differently if we didn't have to think about FFP. But yeah, I get what you mean, and is the bloke from Seville we're replacing him with even going to be eligible for the CL?
Yes, but not until after the Group Stage. Which occurs before the end of the transfer window so no reason why we couldn't wait until then.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 12:33:04 PM
Seems a bit silly to be letting players go before the end of the Champions League Group Stage.
Carlos was suspended for the Monaco game anyway.
Ta. But not for the Celtic game. We are one injury away from having to ask Bogarde to play both centre-half and central midfield in that match.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 20, 2025, 12:37:49 PM
Seems a bit silly to be letting players go before the end of the Champions League Group Stage.
Carlos was suspended for the Monaco game anyway.
Ta. But not for the Celtic game. We are one injury away from having to ask Bogarde to play both centre-half and central midfield in that match.
Reckon we will have a replacement in by that game on Jan 29th.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 12:39:12 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2025, 12:48:17 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 20, 2025, 12:50:34 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 12:52:26 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 20, 2025, 01:06:16 PM
We can sell before we buy, after the Celtic game. It's five days before the end of the transfer window. There is no need to take such a risk whatsoever.
Would the buying club wait? What happens if Carlos breaks his leg training for the Celtic game AFTER we bought in the players we bought in? As big a risk of letting him go before it?
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 20, 2025, 01:11:09 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 20, 2025, 01:11:51 PM
Diego Carlos leaves to join Fenerbahçe.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 01:13:15 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 20, 2025, 01:23:59 PM
@FabriceHawkins
Aston Villa & Sevilla are negotiating for Loïc Badé — figure around €25m.
@MatteMoretto
Post by: OCD on January 20, 2025, 01:28:32 PM
I don’t see what the big deal is. We’ve managed the past few game without him. Others can step in if needed. For the league games ahead of the Celtic game we should have a replacement in place. It’s ultimately one CL game vs Celtic where hopefully we are really close to top 8 qualifying. We needed to sell Diego, and while timing isn’t perfect it’s a deal that completely makes sense us and him. A big contract off our books for an inconsistent player who is often injured.
What we also don't have the benefit of knowing the details. There was a report that Bade has said his goodbyes to his teammates and has had his last training session with Sevilla.
And for every week that goes by, that's another £100k paid out to Carlos and delaying the deal could actually jeopardise the deal, which would then put the Bade deal at risk.
Sometimes we want the perfect situation, but life's not like that and we have to take calculated risks.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 20, 2025, 01:40:44 PM
Great looking replacement and will fit right in with our French / Belgian and Dutch guys
Post by: PeterWithe on January 20, 2025, 01:50:11 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 20, 2025, 02:13:32 PM
Surprised we are paying so much for Bade if its true.£21M is peanuts
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2025, 02:16:23 PM
Carlos leaving means there's definitely a replacement on the way in.
Although in fairness it need only be a lamppost or a traffic cone.
Edited after checking poster’s name.
*wink*
Post by: KevinGage on January 20, 2025, 02:21:04 PM
Surprised we are paying so much for Bade if its true.
For a 24 year old CB playing for one of the better teams in Europe and who has been in the French squad as recently as September?
Looks like decent value to me.
What sort of price were you expecting?
Post by: Gareth on January 20, 2025, 02:22:10 PM
Post by: lovejoy on January 20, 2025, 02:27:54 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 20, 2025, 02:50:12 PM
@GonzaloTortosa
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2025, 03:08:39 PM
Loïc Badé looks like a big improvement on Carlo who i did like but for a guy his size was weak in the air and prone to too many injuries.
Great looking replacement and will fit right in with our French / Belgian and Dutch guys
Maybe but I'll miss us having a growing population of Brazilians at Bodymoor. Not so long ago there were three and now there are none.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 20, 2025, 03:46:12 PM
Surprised we are paying so much for Bade if its true.
For a 24 year old CB playing for one of the better teams in Europe and who has been in the French squad as recently as September?
Looks like decent value to me.
What sort of price were you expecting?
Not so much the fee for him (I misread it as £30m BTW) I don't know anything about him, more that we are paying more money for him than is coming back in for Diego. I'd assumed we wouldn't be able to do that, or wouldn't do that given we have Torres coming back who seems first choice.
Post by: Tuscans on January 20, 2025, 03:52:08 PM
@TheAthleticFC
🟣🔵 Aston Villa insist Jhon Durán is not for sale, after signing new deal until 2030 ⤵️
Post by: Dave P on January 20, 2025, 03:53:25 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 20, 2025, 03:55:01 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 03:56:37 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 20, 2025, 03:58:18 PM
If the add on was Bowen, I'd think about it. Otherwise, sod off.
Knowing their owner, it's probably Ings.
Post by: KevinGage on January 20, 2025, 04:04:29 PM
🚨 EXCL: West Ham make offer to sign Jhon Duran from Aston Villa. #WHUFC bid worth £57m including adds. Expected to be rejected - #AVFC have no intention of selling 21yo striker; recently extended to 2030 amid strong interest from elsewhere
@TheAthleticFC
Make an underwhelming bid, knowing it will be rejected.
Bore off.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 20, 2025, 04:12:26 PM
🚨 EXCL: West Ham make offer to sign Jhon Duran from Aston Villa. #WHUFC bid worth £57m including adds. Expected to be rejected - #AVFC have no intention of selling 21yo striker; recently extended to 2030 amid strong interest from elsewhere
@TheAthleticFC
I've offered to take Zendaya on a date. I'll keep you posted.
Post by: Drummond on January 20, 2025, 04:16:14 PM
🚨 EXCL: West Ham make offer to sign Jhon Duran from Aston Villa. #WHUFC bid worth £57m including adds. Expected to be rejected - #AVFC have no intention of selling 21yo striker; recently extended to 2030 amid strong interest from elsewhere
@TheAthleticFC
I've offered to take Zendaya on a date. I'll keep you posted.
God knows what the 'add-on' in that deal would be.
Post by: Tuscans on January 20, 2025, 04:18:03 PM
Bag of Esso coins.🚨 EXCL: West Ham make offer to sign Jhon Duran from Aston Villa. #WHUFC bid worth £57m including adds. Expected to be rejected - #AVFC have no intention of selling 21yo striker; recently extended to 2030 amid strong interest from elsewhere
@TheAthleticFC
I've offered to take Zendaya on a date. I'll keep you posted.
God knows what the 'add-on' in that deal would be.
Post by: danno on January 20, 2025, 04:18:59 PM
🚨 EXCL: West Ham make offer to sign Jhon Duran from Aston Villa. #WHUFC bid worth £57m including adds. Expected to be rejected - #AVFC have no intention of selling 21yo striker; recently extended to 2030 amid strong interest from elsewhere
@TheAthleticFC
Make an underwhelming bid, knowing it will be rejected.
Bore off.
I hope we wait until January 31st to officially reject it.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2025, 04:20:22 PM
🚨 EXCL: West Ham make offer to sign Jhon Duran from Aston Villa. #WHUFC bid worth £57m including adds. Expected to be rejected - #AVFC have no intention of selling 21yo striker; recently extended to 2030 amid strong interest from elsewhere
@TheAthleticFC
Make an underwhelming bid, knowing it will be rejected.
Bore off.
I hope we wait until January 31st to officially reject it.
Feb 3rd this year.
Post by: danno on January 20, 2025, 04:22:13 PM
🚨 EXCL: West Ham make offer to sign Jhon Duran from Aston Villa. #WHUFC bid worth £57m including adds. Expected to be rejected - #AVFC have no intention of selling 21yo striker; recently extended to 2030 amid strong interest from elsewhere
@TheAthleticFC
Make an underwhelming bid, knowing it will be rejected.
Bore off.
I hope we wait until January 31st to officially reject it.
Feb 3rd this year.
Well... we still want to give them time to panic buy another german wardrobe.
Post by: LukeJames on January 20, 2025, 04:24:42 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 20, 2025, 04:28:06 PM
I look forward to seeing who they move onto instead of Duran now they've got £60m to spend on a striker. I suspect it'll be a last ditch £10m for Danny Welbeck and message of how "they tried but January is hard".
I think they should buy Chris Wood. £60m should be enough to tempt Forest.
Post by: Le Lapin on January 20, 2025, 04:29:00 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 04:33:52 PM
🚨 EXCL: West Ham make offer to sign Jhon Duran from Aston Villa. #WHUFC bid worth £57m including adds. Expected to be rejected - #AVFC have no intention of selling 21yo striker; recently extended to 2030 amid strong interest from elsewhere
@TheAthleticFC
I've offered to take Zendaya on a date. I'll keep you posted.
I've got a chance, see seems to like Villa fans who are obsessed with history.
Oh no, it's a different Tom Holland. ☹️
Post by: Dick Edwards on January 20, 2025, 04:35:38 PM
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 20, 2025, 04:37:16 PM
They'll get some obscure South American we've never heard of who'll get homesick & leave on loan in the summer.
Post by: Border villan on January 20, 2025, 04:38:20 PM
If they expect their offer to be rejected why waste everyone’s time?
Cockernee smoke and mirrors.
Post by: Drummond on January 20, 2025, 06:19:31 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 06:24:06 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 20, 2025, 06:26:49 PM
If they expect their offer to be rejected why waste everyone’s time?
Come on Dick you are old enough to remember when Doug didn’t this to is regularly
Post by: Richard E on January 20, 2025, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 20, 2025, 07:14:14 PM
I look forward to seeing who they move onto instead of Duran now they've got £60m to spend on a striker. I suspect it'll be a last ditch £10m for Danny Welbeck and message of how "they tried but January is hard".
I think they should buy Chris Wood. £60m should be enough to tempt Forest.
World class striker, Chris Wood? Can't see it happening.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 20, 2025, 11:07:48 PM
Quite embarrassing in my opinion
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2025, 11:11:03 PM
🚨 EXCL: West Ham make offer to sign Jhon Duran from Aston Villa. #WHUFC bid worth £57m including adds. Expected to be rejected - #AVFC have no intention of selling 21yo striker; recently extended to 2030 amid strong interest from elsewhere
@TheAthleticFC
I've offered to take Zendaya on a date. I'll keep you posted.
God knows what the 'add-on' in that deal would be.
Karen probably
WHU have had awful luck with strikers in recent seasons.
Post by: Tuscans on January 20, 2025, 11:25:58 PM
@MailSport
Post by: FatSam on January 20, 2025, 11:35:51 PM
💣 Wolves have made a £10m offer for Diego Carlos as his on-off move to Fenerbahce stalled again tonight.Interesting. If they’re offering the same wages as Fenerbahce, then he’ll either be settled in the area, or will fancy a move to Istanbul and European football.
@MailSport
Post by: sid1964 on January 21, 2025, 05:42:51 AM
Post by: sid1964 on January 21, 2025, 05:55:27 AM
Post by: Rigadon on January 21, 2025, 06:23:07 AM
Honestly, Villa should tell it like it is. Club A, a CL club, is sitting in a handy position in the league for re qualification and at the very least more European football. Club B are languishing in lower mid table.l with zero chance of that and have just appointed a manager who already looks dodgy. Meanwhile Clubs C-F, genuinely massive clubs, are looking at Duran with hungry eyes. In what universe does Duran select club B?
Truly deluded. They’ve made themselves look even more stupid than before ok the basis of… the whole irons thing?
Post by: andyh on January 21, 2025, 07:01:39 AM
If, and its the massivest IF ever, if the kit stealers made a bid that was acceptable, their position to Duran would be:
London based club
Will make him their number 1 striker with guaranteed starts every game
Oh, and double your salary
That’s all that matters, he’s a kid with an agent, remember.
He has years and years ahead of him to worry about stuff like European football and challenging for trophies.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2025, 07:28:21 AM
Regardless of league positions and European football, it’s a very simple argument the the kit stealers will use.Yes London is a huge incentive.
If, and its the massivest IF ever, if the kit stealers made a bid that was acceptable, their position to Duran would be:
London based club
Will make him their number 1 striker with guaranteed starts every game
Oh, and double your salary
That’s all that matters, he’s a kid with an agent, remember.
He has years and years ahead of him to worry about stuff like European football and challenging for trophies.
And gauranteed to start every game.
Post by: Drummond on January 21, 2025, 07:47:04 AM
Other than money, which he'll get more of elsewhere, what's the point?
His agent can't be that stupid either.
Post by: Rigadon on January 21, 2025, 07:55:43 AM
Oh come on, seriously why would someone that has Barcelona sniffing around (amongst others) who plays Champions League for Villa, seriously leave for a relegation battle at that place?
Other than money, which he'll get more of elsewhere, what's the point?
His agent can't be that stupid either.
Exactly. He sees himself playing for Barcelona or Real Madrid, not West fucking Ham Utd, which was appealing 6 months ago because he wasn't getting as much game time and was on a smaller contract. If anything, West Ham are being used (probably by his agent) as a stalking horse for a big club in Europe (probably PSG). It's a classic move that makes the West Ham board look like they are 'doing something' and flushes out just how interested other clubs are.
Villa should tell them all to simply fuck off, publicly, until at least the summer, unless the player is making a nuisance of himself behind the scenes to the extent that he is a distraction.
Post by: sid1964 on January 21, 2025, 08:23:43 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 21, 2025, 08:47:33 AM
Read elsewhere that Wolves have no interest in signing Diego - looks as though he will be with us until the Summer.
He’s going to Fenerbahce isn’t he?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 21, 2025, 08:59:41 AM
💣 Wolves have made a £10m offer for Diego Carlos as his on-off move to Fenerbahce stalled again tonight.Interesting. If they’re offering the same wages as Fenerbahce, then he’ll either be settled in the area, or will fancy a move to Istanbul and European football.
@MailSport
Istanbul or Wolverhampton, eh? The world's best city Vs Istanbul. Tough one.
Post by: sid1964 on January 21, 2025, 09:19:22 AM
Read elsewhere that Wolves have no interest in signing Diego - looks as though he will be with us until the Summer.
He’s going to Fenerbahce isn’t he?
Isn't the Fenerbache deal stalled / off?
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 21, 2025, 09:32:07 AM
Read elsewhere that Wolves have no interest in signing Diego - looks as though he will be with us until the Summer.
He’s going to Fenerbahce isn’t he?
Isn't the Fenerbache deal stalled / off?
Last I saw Romano was saying it was done. Might have missed an update though.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2025, 09:48:00 AM
Oh come on, seriously why would someone that has Barcelona sniffing around (amongst others) who plays Champions League for Villa, seriously leave for a relegation battle at that place?
Other than money, which he'll get more of elsewhere, what's the point?
His agent can't be that stupid either.
Exactly. Well said
Post by: andyh on January 21, 2025, 10:37:07 AM
Oh come on, seriously why would someone that has Barcelona sniffing around (amongst others) who plays Champions League for Villa, seriously leave for a relegation battle at that place?you have answered your own question.
Other than money, which he'll get more of elsewhere, what's the point?
His agent can't be that stupid either.
We were primed for CL in the summer, it didnt stop him wanting to go there in the summer.
His agent will be a huge, huge factor here
Post by: john2710 on January 21, 2025, 10:54:14 AM
Post by: Rotterdam on January 21, 2025, 10:58:32 AM
Apologies to any football agents on here.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2025, 11:00:32 AM
Agents aren't generally stupid, but they are selfish, self-centered and manipulative.Actually I think you are being kind.
Apologies to any football agents on here.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2025, 11:12:53 AM
Is it a case of our work for One in and One out for first team squad balance almost done.
Only 3 new players can be registered for Champs League squad
Bringing in a Champions League experienced player for remainder of season would be astute move.
Perhaps former Real Madrid man Asensio , at PSG, in on loan and Buenida Out
Or is it the 3
Philogene - Malen
Carlos- Bade
Nedeljković - Garcia
I'm fascinated by the one in one out theory and what squad departures and arrivals will be occurring other than the above.
There's still 17 days to speculate for first team arrivals but maybe it's a total of 4 in 4 out?
I could see Gauci being loaned out and being replaced by an outfield player which make it 5 and 5 but there's not too much more to move on till summer I suspect.
So with the one in one out theory Carlos for Bade
But with Buenida out who else other than Asensio could come in for him?
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2025, 11:51:32 AM
Is it a case of our work for One in and One out for first team squad balance almost done.
Only 3 new players can be registered for Champs League squad
Bringing in a Champions League experienced player for remainder of season would be astute move.
Perhaps former Real Madrid man Asensio , at PSG, in on loan and Buenida Out
Or is it the 3
Philogene - Malen
Carlos- Bade
Nedeljković - Garcia
I'm fascinated by the one in one out theory and what squad departures and arrivals will be occurring other than the above.
There's still 17 days to speculate for first team arrivals but maybe it's a total of 4 in 4 out?
I could see Gauci being loaned out and being replaced by an outfield player which make it 5 and 5 but there's not too much more to move on till summer I suspect.
So with the one in one out theory Carlos for Bade
But with Buenida out who else other than Asensio could come in for him?
This isn't quite right. We named 23 in our champions league squad, including Philogene and Ramsey as 'club-trained'.
Since then Malen and Garcia have joined, Barry has come back from loan and Philogene has left, meaning we haven't created any spaces in the squad for either of the new signings yet.
Rumours of Ned out on loan, Carlos being sold and Bade coming in still leaves us with 23 players for the squad but with only 1 club-trained player (Ramsey) meaning we still need 1 more out if we don't want to have players in the squad who are ineligible for CL matches. Buendia going out would solve that.
Therefore:
Buendia -->
<-- Malen
Ned -->
<-- Garcia
Carlos -->
<-- Bade
Philogene -->
<-- Barry (but only on list 'b' so not included in the 3 permissable changes).
To make any further changes we'd still need 1 more out because you only get a 4th registration slot if 5 players from list 'a' leave during the window.
Post by: OCD on January 21, 2025, 11:53:52 AM
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2025, 11:57:54 AM
Does Bogarde/Swinkels still not qualify for club trained?
They're young enough for the b list (and will be next year as well).
Post by: FatSam on January 21, 2025, 01:26:49 PM
The main difference is that the current cohort have the opportunity to break into the first team, but we aren’t completely relying on them all now, and the others will (hopefully) get good experience out on loan. I suppose the reason that we aren't relying on them all now is the other side of our recruitment strategy. Back then we were also signing more experienced players like Gestede, Lescott, Richards, Crespo, Bunn, Sinclair and Cissokho. Whereas we are now signing (and trying to sign) players like Bade, Malen, Onana, Maatsen, Rogers and Torres.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 21, 2025, 01:28:56 PM
I'm not writing anything new, but I find it interesting to compare the young players that we were signing from abroad 10-years ago to those that we are signing now. Back then we bringing in players like Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Traore and Gueye. In terms of outlay and risk, they are arguably the equivalent of Duran, Nedelkovic, Illing-Junior, Barrenechea and Garcia now. Obviously, like all signings, some of these will come off, and others won’t. Without wanting to relitigate that whole era again, I don't think that side of our recruitment strategy back then was inherently bad.
The main difference is that the current cohort have the opportunity to break into the first team, but we aren’t completely relying on them all now, and the others will (hopefully) get good experience out on loan. I suppose the reason that we aren't relying on them all now is the other side of our recruitment strategy. Back then we were also signing more experienced players like Gestede, Lescott, Richards, Crespo, Bunn, Sinclair and Cissokho. Whereas we are now signing (and trying to sign) players like Bade, Malen, Onana, Maatsen, Rogers and Torres.
The recruitment wasn't that bad. Shite management from the top down was the problem.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 21, 2025, 01:54:22 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 21, 2025, 01:56:48 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2025, 02:08:54 PM
I accounted for Carlos out Bade in.Does Bogarde/Swinkels still not qualify for club trained?
They're young enough for the b list (and will be next year as well).
Nedlekovic and Buenida will indeed be out on loan.
Duran isn't being sold this window so I think you'll find Barry isn't first team plans so he'll be loaned out or sold.
And perhaps Gauci will be loaned out.
Post by: ozzjim on January 21, 2025, 03:49:32 PM
The young French winger appears to have chosen Leipzig.
Bade looks a long way off now.
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2025, 04:14:37 PM
I accounted for Carlos out Bade in.Does Bogarde/Swinkels still not qualify for club trained?
They're young enough for the b list (and will be next year as well).
Nedlekovic and Buenida will indeed be out on loan.
Duran isn't being sold this window so I think you'll find Barry isn't first team plans so he'll be loaned out or sold.
And perhaps Gauci will be loaned out.
Maybe, but the noise out of the club and from Barry himself is that he's being given a chance to work with the senior squad.
I was just saying that if Buendia does go out it is to create space for Malen not for another incoming.
Post by: Gareth on January 21, 2025, 04:43:14 PM
I accounted for Carlos out Bade in.Does Bogarde/Swinkels still not qualify for club trained?
They're young enough for the b list (and will be next year as well).
Nedlekovic and Buenida will indeed be out on loan.
Duran isn't being sold this window so I think you'll find Barry isn't first team plans so he'll be loaned out or sold.
And perhaps Gauci will be loaned out.
Maybe, but the noise out of the club and from Barry himself is that he's being given a chance to work with the senior squad.
I was just saying that if Buendia die go out it is too create space for Malen not for another incoming.
I think you are right Paul, I don’t see anymore attacking signings this window but I do hope Barry stays and we get to see him introduced a little from the bench, be able to see if he is good enough for this league rather then trying to get the biggest fee without giving a chance.
Post by: Tuscans on January 21, 2025, 06:50:44 PM
@yagosabuncuoglu
#avfc
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2025, 06:52:26 PM
🚨🧨 Diego Carlos is on the way to İstanbul — plane has taken off.
@yagosabuncuoglu
#avfc
Must have took the bus to Wolverhampton and though erm no thanks then booked a new flight
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 21, 2025, 06:53:22 PM
Pardon?🚨🧨 Diego Carlos is on the way to İstanbul — plane has taken off.
@yagosabuncuoglu
#avfc
Must have took the bus to Wolverhampton and though erm no thanks then booked a new flight
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 21, 2025, 07:01:07 PM
I'm not writing anything new, but I find it interesting to compare the young players that we were signing from abroad 10-years ago to those that we are signing now. Back then we bringing in players like Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Traore and Gueye. In terms of outlay and risk, they are arguably the equivalent of Duran, Nedelkovic, Illing-Junior, Barrenechea and Garcia now. Obviously, like all signings, some of these will come off, and others won’t. Without wanting to relitigate that whole era again, I don't think that side of our recruitment strategy back then was inherently bad.
The main difference is that the current cohort have the opportunity to break into the first team, but we aren’t completely relying on them all now, and the others will (hopefully) get good experience out on loan. I suppose the reason that we aren't relying on them all now is the other side of our recruitment strategy. Back then we were also signing more experienced players like Gestede, Lescott, Richards, Crespo, Bunn, Sinclair and Cissokho. Whereas we are now signing (and trying to sign) players like Bade, Malen, Onana, Maatsen, Rogers and Torres.
The recruitment wasn't that bad. Shite management from the top down was the problem.
I have mentioned a few times, there is some deep thinking about what we are doing. Doesn’t mean it will work but certainly better than buying a load of french players that the manager has little plan to play. Having the same manager for more than two years helps too.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2025, 07:03:49 PM
Pardon?🚨🧨 Diego Carlos is on the way to İstanbul — plane has taken off.
@yagosabuncuoglu
#avfc
Must have took the bus to Wolverhampton and though erm no thanks then booked a new flight
A joke mate
Post by: Tuscans on January 21, 2025, 07:17:39 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 21, 2025, 07:47:13 PM
It's gibberishPardon?🚨🧨 Diego Carlos is on the way to İstanbul — plane has taken off.
@yagosabuncuoglu
#avfc
Must have took the bus to Wolverhampton and though erm no thanks then booked a new flight
A joke mate
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2025, 07:56:28 PM
It's gibberishPardon?🚨🧨 Diego Carlos is on the way to İstanbul — plane has taken off.
@yagosabuncuoglu
#avfc
Must have took the bus to Wolverhampton and though erm no thanks then booked a new flight
A joke mate
Your a bid sensitive mate geez
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 21, 2025, 07:58:30 PM
Read it back you foolIt's gibberishPardon?🚨🧨 Diego Carlos is on the way to İstanbul — plane has taken off.
@yagosabuncuoglu
#avfc
Must have took the bus to Wolverhampton and though erm no thanks then booked a new flight
A joke mate
Your a bid sensitive mate geez
Post by: OCD on January 21, 2025, 07:58:31 PM
🟡🔵🇧🇷 Fenerbahçe confirm Diego Carlos as new signing from Aston Villa for fee over €10m package.
Some good news then.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2025, 08:03:30 PM
Read it back you foolIt's gibberishPardon?🚨🧨 Diego Carlos is on the way to İstanbul — plane has taken off.
@yagosabuncuoglu
#avfc
Must have took the bus to Wolverhampton and though erm no thanks then booked a new flight
A joke mate
Your a bid sensitive mate geez
Read what back you dork
Go to a wolves forum if you love them so much
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2025, 08:05:32 PM
Is there a problem with being negative about Wolverhampton?Read it back you foolIt's gibberishPardon?🚨🧨 Diego Carlos is on the way to İstanbul — plane has taken off.
@yagosabuncuoglu
#avfc
Must have took the bus to Wolverhampton and though erm no thanks then booked a new flight
A joke mate
Your a bid sensitive mate geez
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2025, 08:05:35 PM
Much under-appreciated follow-up series to Freaks And Geeks
Post by: 85kota on January 21, 2025, 08:09:07 PM
I'm fun
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2025, 08:09:52 PM
Stick a dork in me
I'm fun
😂😂😂
Just dont mention Wolverhampton and your ok
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 21, 2025, 08:12:06 PM
Still haven't the gumption to proof readStick a dork in me
I'm fun
😂😂😂
Just dont mention Wolverhampton and your ok
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2025, 08:19:39 PM
Still haven't the gumption to proof readStick a dork in me
I'm fun
😂😂😂
Just dont mention Wolverhampton and your ok
I still have absolutely zero idea why you are so upset. Unless you are a wolves fan?
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 21, 2025, 08:23:59 PM
Let me spell it out for the toddler in you.Still haven't the gumption to proof readStick a dork in me
I'm fun
😂😂😂
Just dont mention Wolverhampton and your ok
I still have absolutely zero idea why you are so upset. Unless you are a wolves fan?
What.you.wrote.made.no.sense.
Post by: 85kota on January 21, 2025, 08:31:10 PM
Let me spell it out for the toddler in you.Still haven't the gumption to proof readStick a dork in me
I'm fun
😂😂😂
Just dont mention Wolverhampton and your ok
I still have absolutely zero idea why you are so upset. Unless you are a wolves fan?
What.you.wrote.made.no.sense.
Leave him alone you bully!
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2025, 08:31:55 PM
Let me spell it out for the toddler in you.Still haven't the gumption to proof readStick a dork in me
I'm fun
😂😂😂
Just dont mention Wolverhampton and your ok
I still have absolutely zero idea why you are so upset. Unless you are a wolves fan?
What.you.wrote.made.no.sense.
This is quite humiliating for you as i have to break it down for you as you seem to not understand the context of it and got quite offended over something so ridiculous
Carlos to Turkey, plane does not take off as expected, reports wolves have hijacked the deal then tonight confirmed he went. Joke implied he went wolves didnt like it so booked another flight and went turkey ( a reference to wolves being shit)
So makes perfect sense. As you seem to prefer talking in kids language ill refer it back to the way you prefer you seem to be spoken to. I.hope.that.clears.up.your.confusion
Post by: Tuscans on January 21, 2025, 08:35:26 PM
I think its the spelling.Let me spell it out for the toddler in you.Still haven't the gumption to proof readStick a dork in me
I'm fun
😂😂😂
Just dont mention Wolverhampton and your ok
I still have absolutely zero idea why you are so upset. Unless you are a wolves fan?
What.you.wrote.made.no.sense.
This is quite humiliating for you as i have to break it down for you as you seem to not understand the context of it and got quite offended over something so ridiculous
Carlos to Turkey, plane does not take off as expected, reports wolves have hijacked the deal then tonight confirmed he went. Joke implied he went wolves didnt like it so booked another flight and went turkey ( a reference to wolves being shit)
So makes perfect sense. As you seem to prefer talking in kids language ill refer it back to the way you prefer you seem to be spoken to. I.hope.that.clears.up.your.confusion
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 21, 2025, 08:41:49 PM
So you didn't read it back then.Let me spell it out for the toddler in you.Still haven't the gumption to proof readStick a dork in me
I'm fun
😂😂😂
Just dont mention Wolverhampton and your ok
I still have absolutely zero idea why you are so upset. Unless you are a wolves fan?
What.you.wrote.made.no.sense.
This is quite humiliating for you as i have to break it down for you as you seem to not understand the context of it and got quite offended over something so ridiculous
Carlos to Turkey, plane does not take off as expected, reports wolves have hijacked the deal then tonight confirmed he went. Joke implied he went wolves didnt like it so booked another flight and went turkey ( a reference to wolves being shit)
So makes perfect sense. As you seem to prefer talking in kids language ill refer it back to the way you prefer you seem to be spoken to. I.hope.that.clears.up.your.confusion
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 21, 2025, 09:11:13 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2025, 09:23:46 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2025, 01:10:50 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2025, 01:18:35 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 22, 2025, 01:39:22 AM
Agree but how could the club continue to justify the costs and wages for Onana and Barkley without falling foul of PSR?
None of us are in possession all of the necessary information, but there are positives to our possible PSR position as well as negatives. Turnover has probably exceeded £300m this season. We’ve made money on Philogene. We’ve got Carlos off the wage bill. And if all else fails, we’ve got til June 30th to cash in on one or two of many major pure-profit assets if we’re in any danger of not complying. Go for it I say.
Post by: ozzjim on January 22, 2025, 06:49:45 AM
We need a centre half this week, and for me a midfielder.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 22, 2025, 09:09:48 AM
We're crying out for that 3 back together. Barkley was looking good before injury, but he would be an ideal rotation with Kamara and Dougie. Kamara needs a bit of rotation too.
We need a centre half this week, and for me a midfielder.
Couldn't we just get Barrenechea back from his loan if we need bolstering in central midfield?
Post by: Demitri_C on January 22, 2025, 09:23:48 AM
We're crying out for that 3 back together. Barkley was looking good before injury, but he would be an ideal rotation with Kamara and Dougie. Kamara needs a bit of rotation too.
We need a centre half this week, and for me a midfielder.
Couldn't we just get Barrenechea back from his loan if we need bolstering in central midfield?
Still dont understand why we havent recalled him after all the injuries in cm
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 22, 2025, 09:52:44 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 22, 2025, 09:57:21 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 22, 2025, 11:13:08 AM
Post by: dorsetvillian on January 22, 2025, 12:57:04 PM
Post by: sid1964 on January 22, 2025, 01:11:42 PM
Maybe Monchi and co are looking elsewhere.
Although having written all the above by tonight he will have signed for us!!!
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2025, 03:59:53 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 22, 2025, 04:00:15 PM
Presumably because we can’t?
No idea havent read about not being able to recall him? You seen anything ?
Post by: enigma on January 22, 2025, 04:08:56 PM
If my time playing Football Manager has taught me anything it depends if they paid a loan fee or not.We're crying out for that 3 back together. Barkley was looking good before injury, but he would be an ideal rotation with Kamara and Dougie. Kamara needs a bit of rotation too.
We need a centre half this week, and for me a midfielder.
Couldn't we just get Barrenechea back from his loan if we need bolstering in central midfield?
Still dont understand why we havent recalled him after all the injuries in cm
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 22, 2025, 04:20:06 PM
Presumably because we can’t?
No idea havent read about not being able to recall him? You seen anything ?
No. I was making a presumption. It’s often the case that a club won’t allow a recall clause to be put into a loan.
But as Drummond also mentioned, it could also be because we don’t want to get him back for two games, then he’s in the reserves once players return.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2025, 04:20:30 PM
Both wanted Duran throughout the summer.
And both are chasing him again this winter window with more talk of reported bids and discussions.
What is happening here?
A release clause must be included in Duran new contract you suspect, and someone affiliated with Duran is putting out feelers.
If Duran is not stirring things himself, then advisors are.
He still hasn't played 90 minutes this season. And isn't starting matches.
These 2 London clubs have expressed interest in Duran as a striker. I don't see a move till the summer, but there is no smoke without fire.
Gallagher for Duran would have been a fair move during the summer 24 window. If something comes up within this window, say a Villa swap in Felix or Jackson (who played under Emery) I'm not averse if the money is right and a deal is fair.
The West Ham bid and Chelsea talk does seem to suggest something though?
Let's await to see further developments.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 22, 2025, 04:23:34 PM
Gallagher for Duran would have been a fair move during the summer 24 window. If something comes up within this window, say a Villa swap in Felix or Jackson (who played under Emery) I'm not averse if the money is right and a deal is fair.
Felix is a busted flush and Gallagher is fucking crap. Other than that, I fully concur.
Post by: frank black on January 22, 2025, 04:24:20 PM
Just read that Loic Bade we are trying to sign is not too keen on joining us.
Maybe Monchi and co are looking elsewhere.
Although having written all the above by tonight he will have signed for us!!!
They’re holding out for more cash, especially as we’ve sold Diego.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2025, 04:48:13 PM
Gallagher for Duran would have been a fair move during the summer 24 window. If something comes up within this window, say a Villa swap in Felix or Jackson (who played under Emery) I'm not averse if the money is right and a deal is fair.
Felix is a busted flush and Gallagher is fucking crap. Other than that, I fully concur.
Would take Gallagher or Onana? And I think he was first choice in summer
Gallagher been doing well at Ath Madrid and would have suited the midfield play here as well as being less injury prone and more energetic round the pitch than Onana.
On Felix or Jackson well I could see Emery get a tune out of either as he's good at players who have lost their way or needing to take next step.
I suppose swaps more likely to occur in June before PSR deadlines
Post by: Demitri_C on January 22, 2025, 06:31:45 PM
If my time playing Football Manager has taught me anything it depends if they paid a loan fee or not.We're crying out for that 3 back together. Barkley was looking good before injury, but he would be an ideal rotation with Kamara and Dougie. Kamara needs a bit of rotation too.
We need a centre half this week, and for me a midfielder.
Couldn't we just get Barrenechea back from his loan if we need bolstering in central midfield?
Still dont understand why we havent recalled him after all the injuries in cm
Thanks for answering 😁
Post by: brontebilly on January 22, 2025, 10:07:20 PM
After watching us last 2-3 games we should move heaven and earth to get Dougie back alongside Kamara. He was half the player without him, but together they are exceptionally good and would provide the platform to kick on. If there is a sniff of a chance of doing it, we should be all over it.
Agreed 💯 that business with Juve over the summer worked out for nobody really. Luiz had his Italian fling but bring him back to B6. Anywhere near his best and with Kamara we dominate nearly every other midfield in the PL.
Id bring back that semi retired gobshite up in Manchester on loan too. Probably does a Coutinho on us, mind. Too much pressure on Rogers I think. He might be getting desperate enough to consider it and Guardiola seems sick of him. I'm convinced he could turn his career around with us.
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2025, 10:12:37 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2025, 11:25:02 PM
EVENING STANDARD
Chelsea have made an offer to take Douglas Luiz on loan for the rest of the season. According to reports in Italy, Juventus have made Luiz available just six months after his £42m arrival.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 22, 2025, 11:26:11 PM
Obviously his current employers are already massive twats, but it would be worse closer to home.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2025, 11:30:30 PM
Don't like the thought of him playing for twats like that. Especially if they don't even have to pay a fee.
Obviously his current employers are already massive twats, but it would be worse closer to home.
It was bad enough hearing the Man City rumours of him going there.
I hoped he would succeed at Juve but McKennie who was to come in exchange, is doing ok and partly why Douglas isn't getting in the side.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 22, 2025, 11:32:18 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2025, 11:32:54 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 23, 2025, 12:06:46 AM
I just assumed Chelsea already had 23 other central midfielders.
They do but they also like to take ones other teams might want. They will sell the U21 team to themselves next year to be able to afford it though.
Post by: sid1964 on January 23, 2025, 07:14:50 AM
Bade probably wants guarantees of playing time in the Villa team, and has told them he won't sign just to sit on the bench.
If the transfer does not happen, it would appear as though Monchi and co. have totally messed up the transfer of Bade / Carlos.
Buendia, according to Unai can leave the club this January, it does seem that we are trying to move a few players out, but no one wants to leave us!
Post by: Steve67 on January 23, 2025, 07:20:48 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2025, 07:32:24 AM
First West Ham, now Chelsea.Firstly, in the transfer market there usually is lots of smoke without a fire; as you should well know because you seem to scour the internet across all sorts of transfer-news websites.
Both wanted Duran throughout the summer.
And both are chasing him again this winter window with more talk of reported bids and discussions.
What is happening here? ... but there is no smoke without fire.
What's happening here? - I'd say other clubs have been watching Emery try to integrate Duran into the side - and largely fail. Tuesday night will have suggested to a few that Villa will have to sell one of their two strikers (neither will be happy if they get limited gametime) and Duran has the greatest long-term potential.
Emery has his work cut out to accommodate two big talents vying for the same role in a team that only plays one striker; so far, I'm not convinced he has cracked it.
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2025, 07:34:23 AM
Brentford is signing the verty highly right-back Michael Kayode from Fiorintina whom we were linked to in the Summer. Option to buy only13.5 Million. Another great bit of business from the Bees.How do they get to pay so little, where we are expected to pay c.£20m for Bade?! A Monchi premium?!
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 23, 2025, 07:51:08 AM
I don’t think he ever will without a complete change of system, even then it might not work.First West Ham, now Chelsea.Firstly, in the transfer market there usually is lots of smoke without a fire; as you should well know because you seem to scour the internet across all sorts of transfer-news websites.
Both wanted Duran throughout the summer.
And both are chasing him again this winter window with more talk of reported bids and discussions.
What is happening here? ... but there is no smoke without fire.
What's happening here? - I'd say other clubs have been watching Emery try to integrate Duran into the side - and largely fail. Tuesday night will have suggested to a few that Villa will have to sell one of their two strikers (neither will be happy if they get limited gametime) and Duran has the greatest long-term potential.
Emery has his work cut out to accommodate two big talents vying for the same role in a team that only plays one striker; so far, I'm not convinced he has cracked it.
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 23, 2025, 08:59:44 AM
If the Carlos transfer does not happen, i can imagine that he wont be a happy chappy when he has to return to the club.
Carlos has already gone
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2025, 09:39:37 AM
If the Carlos transfer does not happen, i can imagine that he wont be a happy chappy when he has to return to the club.
Carlos has already gone
Indeed, which is why we must surely have a new CB already sorted, or it'd be a bit of a fuck up from Monchi.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2025, 10:05:39 AM
Post by: Virgil Caine on January 23, 2025, 10:10:36 AM
If the Carlos transfer does not happen, i can imagine that he wont be a happy chappy when he has to return to the club.
Carlos has already gone
I'm not doubting anybody on here but the BBC Transfer pages have not reported Carlos leaving yet- presumably this one has slipped under its usually reliable radar.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2025, 10:11:19 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2025, 10:16:13 AM
Then to finish the window nicely get Dougie back on a loan to buy please villa.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 23, 2025, 10:25:17 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2025, 10:29:43 AM
Did I see that someone has dobbed Man City in for approaching a player illegally?
Was it David O'Leary?
Post by: jwarry on January 23, 2025, 10:40:19 AM
Did I see that someone has dobbed Man City in for approaching a player illegally?
The Times today
Real Valladolid express 'great disappointment and indignation' over the way the Premier League side allegedly tried to force through Juma Bah move
Manchester City have been accused by the Spanish club Real Valladolid of encouraging their teenage defender Juma Bah to terminate his contract to force through a move to the Premier League side.
Valladolid said City initially asked for permission to start negotiations over signing the 18-year-old, who is from Sierra Leone, only for Bah and his agent to tell the La Liga club he would be unilaterally terminating his contract.
The defender then failed to report for training on Wednesday morning, while the club were informed by the Spanish football federation that the money needed to activate the termination clause in Bah's youth contract had been paid.
A statement from Valladolid read: “The club consider that Manchester City is behind the player's decision, and appear to have advised the player to take this route.
“The player's intention, supposedly supported and guided by Manchester City and his agent, has caused great disappointment and indignation within Real Valladolid, who welcomed Juma Bah with open arms and gave him the opportunity of a lifetime.”
Bah moved to Valladolid from AIK Freetong in his home country last summer and has made 12 appearances in La Liga.
Valladolid said they will take disciplinary action against Bah and will “defend” the club's interests. All international transfers need to be signed off by Fifa.
City said no comment when approached.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2025, 10:44:26 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 23, 2025, 01:19:44 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 23, 2025, 01:45:36 PM
Tomori again not out of the realms of possibility
Tapsoba also at bayer
St Juste at sporting
Finally our tormenter Singo
All of the above are possible signings and I'm not an ITK scout who is paid to unearth gems. Dougie back seems a no brainer to me even if only a 6 month loan.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2025, 02:16:43 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2025, 02:20:00 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2025, 02:20:30 PM
Well we’re in a spot of bother now - sold our defensive cover and we have two senior centre backs who are available. That’s not great.
It's potentially catastrophic.
Post by: jwarry on January 23, 2025, 02:26:58 PM
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2025, 02:27:02 PM
Now that bade deal looks dead-Those monaco cbs looked very very good. Especially in the air. Maybe we should try get one of them?
Kehrer only plays for Monaco because he wasn't good enough to get into a mediocre West Ham defence.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 23, 2025, 02:34:29 PM
Now that bade deal looks dead-Those monaco cbs looked very very good. Especially in the air. Maybe we should try get one of them?
Kehrer only plays for Monaco because he wasn't good enough to get into a mediocre West Ham defence.
The same west ham have who have made tobido look terrible! Didnt look that bad last game Very organised.
Maybe we will look at tomori. We have been linked with him in the past
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2025, 02:43:06 PM
Post by: Monty on January 23, 2025, 02:44:52 PM
Still, it doesn't look clever at all.
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2025, 02:46:03 PM
Tomori would be a great signing but surely very expensive.
He's not really being playing much for Milan for the last year or so.
Reckon they'd see him as expendable if a decent offer came in. Feels very Newcastle to me though.
Post by: caster troy on January 23, 2025, 02:48:14 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 23, 2025, 02:50:06 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2025, 03:21:53 PM
Antonio Silva? He was linked previously, very high potential but would be more expensive than Bade.
He has a €100m buyout clause but Benfica are willing to accept €50m.
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2025, 03:25:42 PM
Post by: placeforparks on January 23, 2025, 03:34:31 PM
Now that bade deal looks dead-Those monaco cbs looked very very good. Especially in the air. Maybe we should try get one of them?
Kehrer only plays for Monaco because he wasn't good enough to get into a mediocre West Ham defence.
we were linked with salisu (when he was at southampton), and he was on the bench for monaco on tuesday night.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2025, 04:04:53 PM
Not sure we're prepared to splash out €40m plus add-ons but I imagine somebody will.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 23, 2025, 04:07:46 PM
French journalist Santi Ona confirmed via the "X" platform that Al-Nasr Club want Aston Villa striker John Doran.
“Paris Saint-Germain had made a verbal offer worth 75 million euros to sign Duran, and it was rejected by Aston Villa.. Now Al-Nasr Club is entering the race, The player is interested in the idea of playing in Saudi Arabia"
I do think there's a known or leaked clause in his new contract. And I do think there is no smoke without fire.
There seems to be a lot of disruption and stories wanting to break about bids from West Ham and PSG, that Chelsea having discussions and now Al Nassr coming in for him?
Post by: Drummond on January 23, 2025, 04:13:54 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2025, 04:29:36 PM
No ot convinced by Tomori.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2025, 04:37:23 PM
Now that bade deal looks dead-Those monaco cbs looked very very good. Especially in the air. Maybe we should try get one of them?
Kehrer only plays for Monaco because he wasn't good enough to get into a mediocre West Ham defence.
Indeed I would super cautious in judging the quality of players when they were playing against us and we were very obviously shit that day.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2025, 04:43:27 PM
Nope, that won't happen.
PIF, same owners as Newcastle. They're probably thinking we can't invest in Newcastle but if Man City can get away with it, why can't we? Buy him in Saudi and loan him to Newcastle. Nothing now would surprise me.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 23, 2025, 05:11:35 PM
Al Nassr would be able to offer that.
Ronaldo and Duran up front would be quite a task for Stefano Pioli manage.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 23, 2025, 05:17:27 PM
He's off to Rennes for bargain £10m
Kyogo Furuhashi is good enough for the Prem in my view Celtic severally weaker without their top scorer.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 23, 2025, 05:34:22 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 23, 2025, 05:38:10 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 23, 2025, 05:38:55 PM
Celtic selling their best player before they play us.
He's off to Rennes for bargain £10m
Kyogo Furuhashi is good enough for the Prem in my view Celtic severally weaker without their top scorer.
£10m does seem a bit cheap, but he's just turned 30 and has been in decline since Ange's last season. His movement is good though.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2025, 05:47:16 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 23, 2025, 07:00:43 PM
He's on mental wages, but we might need to wear that under the circumstances.
If Cerebro de Piedra Duran's head has gone again maybe him + one or two other PSG players and cash.
Post by: LukeJames on January 23, 2025, 07:03:25 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 23, 2025, 07:04:29 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 23, 2025, 07:08:31 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2025, 07:14:36 PM
If we want a solid centre half we could go and get Milenkovic off Forest for a bit of fun
Post by: Tuscans on January 23, 2025, 07:16:42 PM
RB Leipzig have been leading the race for days, still there… but Aston Villa are still trying to hijack the move. 🟣🔵
Post by: jwarry on January 23, 2025, 07:16:57 PM
Understand Aston Villa are still in the race for 2006 born talent Tidiam Gomis from Caen.
RB Leipzig have been leading the race for days, still there… but Aston Villa are still trying to hijack the move
Post by: Tuscans on January 23, 2025, 07:18:03 PM
There was paper talk towards the start of the window that we were one of the clubs who were offered Milan Škriniar by PSG.Škriniar has already joined Fenerbache
He's on mental wages, but we might need to wear that under the circumstances.
If Cerebro de Piedra Duran's head has gone again maybe him + one or two other PSG players and cash.
Post by: Tuscans on January 23, 2025, 07:19:41 PM
Celtic selling their best player before they play us.They brought back Jota.
He's off to Rennes for bargain £10m
Kyogo Furuhashi is good enough for the Prem in my view Celtic severally weaker without their top scorer.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 23, 2025, 07:29:00 PM
I do think there's a known or leaked clause in his new contract. And I do think there is no smoke without fire.
There seems to be a lot of disruption and stories wanting to break about bids from West Ham and PSG, that Chelsea having discussions and now Al Nassr coming in for him?
What’s the value of the known release clause?
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2025, 07:30:58 PM
Celtic selling their best player before they play us.They brought back Jota.
He's off to Rennes for bargain £10m
Kyogo Furuhashi is good enough for the Prem in my view Celtic severally weaker without their top scorer.
Won't be playing us though?
Post by: Tuscans on January 23, 2025, 07:35:02 PM
No, can't be registered until after the league phase. Was just saying they brought Jota back.Celtic selling their best player before they play us.They brought back Jota.
He's off to Rennes for bargain £10m
Kyogo Furuhashi is good enough for the Prem in my view Celtic severally weaker without their top scorer.
Won't be playing us though?
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2025, 07:40:11 PM
Celtic selling their best player before they play us.They brought back Jota.
He's off to Rennes for bargain £10m
Kyogo Furuhashi is good enough for the Prem in my view Celtic severally weaker without their top scorer.
Won't be playing us though?
Was he in the prem somewhere?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2025, 07:52:37 PM
No, can't be registered until after the league phase. Was just saying they brought Jota back.Celtic selling their best player before they play us.They brought back Jota.
He's off to Rennes for bargain £10m
Kyogo Furuhashi is good enough for the Prem in my view Celtic severally weaker without their top scorer.
Won't be playing us though?
Which Jota?
Not bearded shit Villa Jota?
(nice ball for Wesley to score against Everton that time, mind).
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 23, 2025, 07:53:18 PM
If Cerebro de Piedra Duran's head has gone again maybe him + one or two other PSG players and cash.
Gonçalo Ramos, ex-Benfica would be worth a cheeky inclusion. He's like a footballing Watkins but has had a bit of bad luck with illness and injuries. Seems to have finally got some kind of form together now. He's still only 23 and if he's back firing I can't understand why PSG would want Duran.
Post by: Tuscans on January 23, 2025, 07:55:15 PM
Noooo, the guy Celtic sold to the Arabs, had a year over there, bit in France and wanted to come back.No, can't be registered until after the league phase. Was just saying they brought Jota back.Celtic selling their best player before they play us.They brought back Jota.
He's off to Rennes for bargain £10m
Kyogo Furuhashi is good enough for the Prem in my view Celtic severally weaker without their top scorer.
Won't be playing us though?
Which Jota?
Not bearded shit Villa Jota?
(nice ball for Wesley to score against Everton that time, mind).
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 23, 2025, 08:00:21 PM
The one who retired to become an agricultural tech billionaire (sort of).No, can't be registered until after the league phase. Was just saying they brought Jota back.Celtic selling their best player before they play us.They brought back Jota.
He's off to Rennes for bargain £10m
Kyogo Furuhashi is good enough for the Prem in my view Celtic severally weaker without their top scorer.
Won't be playing us though?
Which Jota?
Not bearded shit Villa Jota?
(nice ball for Wesley to score against Everton that time, mind).
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/premier-league-aston-villa-billionaire-806546-20240120
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 23, 2025, 08:14:14 PM
Kvaradona was signed fot £60mIf Cerebro de Piedra Duran's head has gone again maybe him + one or two other PSG players and cash.
Gonçalo Ramos, ex-Benfica would be worth a cheeky inclusion. He's like a footballing Watkins but has had a bit of bad luck with illness and injuries. Seems to have finally got some kind of form together now. He's still only 23 and if he's back firing I can't understand why PSG would want Duran.
That's Khvicha Kvaratskhelia who was at Napoli to add to their front line
He plays wide forward and is an absolute class act.
I think that's PSG big signing of the window after unable to get Duran.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 23, 2025, 09:34:36 PM
The one who retired to become an agricultural tech billionaire (sort of).
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/premier-league-aston-villa-billionaire-806546-20240120
Maybe Ashton can say hi.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2025, 10:25:30 PM
The one who retired to become an agricultural tech billionaire (sort of).
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/premier-league-aston-villa-billionaire-806546-20240120
Maybe Ashton can say hi.
Wave his Nobel Prize for Modesty at him.
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2025, 10:26:04 PM
Maybe the club are comfortable with Bogarde as an understudy if all else fails
He's nowhere near strong enough to play CB in the PL.
The club has been trying to sell Carlos for quite some time so we must have a number of RCB options we are in discussions with.
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2025, 10:47:27 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 23, 2025, 11:02:13 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on January 24, 2025, 01:10:36 AM
Is he any good?
No, he's Blues. They call him disaster.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 24, 2025, 07:09:32 AM
Post by: Villafirst on January 24, 2025, 07:47:19 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 24, 2025, 08:01:20 AM
Are Villa still tight with PSR that they had to push Diego Carlos out the door for only £8.5m? Reports suggest we are on course for a record turnover this season. Is the accounting period up to the end of June?That’s the PSR date.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2025, 09:05:35 AM
Are Villa still tight with PSR that they had to push Diego Carlos out the door for only £8.5m? Reports suggest we are on course for a record turnover this season. Is the accounting period up to the end of June?That’s the PSR date.
And the end of our financial year. We moved it to coincide with the PSR date.
Post by: lovejoy on January 24, 2025, 09:22:17 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2025, 09:52:12 AM
Is he any good?
No, he's Blues. They call him disaster.
He's been pretty crap for them, but was quite well thought of before going there for £35 plus million. It's a weird one, where I'm not sure performances in the basket case years at Chelsea after indicative of the ability of a player. Equally, I'd prefer someone much more highly regarded.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 24, 2025, 11:00:09 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 24, 2025, 11:33:34 AM
Are Villa still tight with PSR that they had to push Diego Carlos out the door for only £8.5m? Reports suggest we are on course for a record turnover this season. Is the accounting period up to the end of June?Looking into things it's the wages that are the issue. Villas wage bill is way too high.
Its also why we sign young players, who I call calfs , as mere cattle to sell on and help with Squad cost ratio and PSR.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 24, 2025, 11:44:10 AM
Is he any good?
No, he's Blues. They call him disaster.
He's been pretty crap for them, but was quite well thought of before going there for £35 plus million. It's a weird one, where I'm not sure performances in the basket case years at Chelsea after indicative of the ability of a player. Equally, I'd prefer someone much more highly regarded.
Axel Disasi like Trevoh Chalobah won't come as they would want to be first choice starting.
The problem will be trying to get a quality player of repute who is going to be a squad member who rotates in.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 24, 2025, 12:51:12 PM
Are Villa still tight with PSR that they had to push Diego Carlos out the door for only £8.5m? Reports suggest we are on course for a record turnover this season. Is the accounting period up to the end of June?
From what I understand (and I might have got this wrong!) but it will now be the first year of the three year rolling period that will be the problem.
Post by: Tuscans on January 24, 2025, 01:17:21 PM
@mcgrathmike
Post by: Steve67 on January 24, 2025, 01:21:28 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 24, 2025, 01:34:22 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 24, 2025, 02:21:54 PM
@SportsPeteO
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 24, 2025, 02:22:33 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 24, 2025, 02:43:25 PM
Al-Nassr are preparing an official offer for Jhon Durán.He's following up what french journo said yesterday
@mcgrathmike
Riyadhs Al Nassr are interested in Duran. Now what is going on here? They are one of the big boys of Saudi Pro league
French journalist Santi Ona confirmed via the "X" platform that Al-Nasr Club want Aston Villa striker John Doran.
“Paris Saint-Germain had made a verbal offer worth 75 million euros to sign Duran, and it was rejected by Aston Villa.. Now Al-Nasr Club is entering the race, The player is interested in the idea of playing in Saudi Arabia"
I do think there's a known or leaked clause in his new contract. And I do think there is no smoke without fire.
There seems to be a lot of disruption and stories wanting to break about bids from West Ham and PSG, that Chelsea having discussions and now Al Nassr coming in for him?
The french journalist was accurate with the happenings of Mbappe Real Madrid transfer.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 24, 2025, 03:18:54 PM
Despite experience I don't Micheal Keane or Viktor Lindelof are considerations so nothing to see here for a Prem defender
I've found a under 21 Spain international who fits the bill. Currently playing for Valencia.
After cast my net over Spain and found centre back, who can also play right back, Cristhian Mosquera.
He's our Man. And 20 years old.
Post by: Drummond on January 24, 2025, 03:23:55 PM
So a centre back who doesn't mind not playing every match?
Despite experience I don't Micheal Keane or Viktor Lindelof are considerations so nothing to see here for a Prem defender
I've found a under 21 Spain international who fits the bill. Currently playing for Valencia.
After cast my net over Spain and found centre back, who can also play right back, Cristhian Mosquera.
He's our Man. And 20 years old.
Keane and Lindelhof?!
And as for Mosquera, what's your criteria? Have you watched them play and analysed their stats and performances, or just taking a guess based on age and that they speak Spanish?
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 24, 2025, 03:28:40 PM
We don't take those Chambers and Bednarek signings anymore either.
Lenglet was a good loan move last season and something or the ilk or as I say a young up and coming Spanish centre back
Mosquera is a quality centre half and he'll be decent wherever he moves.
Eric Garcia , given Barca financial struggles, could be another we move for and would be cheaper.
Post by: Drummond on January 24, 2025, 03:30:10 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 24, 2025, 03:30:41 PM
West Ham definitely priced out and besides they loaned Bobbey from Ajax. (Don't think he's the answer for them)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 24, 2025, 03:38:25 PM
Do you work with Footy Insider?
Football insider have some decent pundits such as financial expert Kieran Maguire and former ref Keith Hackett for insight.
They also have former Villa staff Chief Executive Keith Wyness and Scout Mick Brown.
Some of their Transfer reporters aren't as reliable as likes of Rob Dorsett at Sky.
Post by: Drummond on January 24, 2025, 03:39:45 PM
Talksport have said Villa will only listen to bids of £85m and above for Duran. This must be his release clause.
West Ham definitely priced out and besides they loaned Bobbey from Ajax. (Don't think he's the answer for them)
Nope, you're wrong with your opinion, speculation, guesswork, insight, dreams or whatever we're calling it today.
'Villa are demanding a hefty £85m fee for the striker and have intimated that even then, there are no guarantees they will agree to a sale.' is the actual quote, so why are you insistent on the release clause stuff?
Post by: Drummond on January 24, 2025, 03:40:16 PM
Do you work with Footy Insider?
Football insider have some decent pundits such as financial expert Kieran Maguire and former ref Keith Hackett for insight.
They also have former Villa staff Chief Executive Keith Wyness and Scout Mick Brown.
Some of their Transfer reporters aren't as reliable as likes of Rob Dorsett at Sky.
Nope, it's a load of old bollocks.
Post by: Tuscans on January 24, 2025, 03:55:03 PM
@RyanTaylorSport
Post by: Tuscans on January 24, 2025, 03:56:12 PM
Aston Villa are among clubs interested in South Korean teenager Do-young Yun — his representatives were at Bodymoor Heath for discussions earlier this week.Heard he's quick, da do run run.
@RyanTaylorSport
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2025, 03:56:16 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 24, 2025, 03:57:52 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2025, 03:58:06 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 24, 2025, 04:01:24 PM
I miss the days of just reading posts without checking who posted them. Sometimes, I’d think ‘that sounds authoritative - sounds like Dave - check and correct. Sometimes I’d think ‘yes, I agree with that - probably LeeB’. Now we’re back to mindless drivel - you know who.
Yeah sorry about that. I'm trying.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 24, 2025, 04:24:00 PM
Duran out for £85m+
All those in favour say "aye".
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2025, 04:24:36 PM
I miss the days of just reading posts without checking who posted them. Sometimes, I’d think ‘that sounds authoritative - sounds like Dave - check and correct. Sometimes I’d think ‘yes, I agree with that - probably LeeB’. Now we’re back to mindless drivel - you know who.
Yeah sorry about that. I'm trying.
Haha!
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 24, 2025, 04:26:57 PM
Kiliscoy in for £20-25m.
Duran out for £85m+
All those in favour say "aye".
I'm all for it.
Who is he?
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2025, 04:29:31 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 24, 2025, 04:33:37 PM
Kiliscoy in for £20-25m.
Duran out for £85m+
All those in favour say "aye".
I'm all for it.
Who is he?
Semih Kılıçsoy (19) plays for Besiktas in the Turkish SupeLig as a striker, he can also play as a winger or attacking midfielder. He is two footed, his idol is Sergio Agüero.
34 League games 12 goals. 4 full caps
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 24, 2025, 04:34:12 PM
Kiliscoy is a big deal over in Turkey. Would be a very interesting capture !Kiliscoy in for £20-25m.
Duran out for £85m+
All those in favour say "aye".
I'm all for it.
Who is he?
Reading around and my Turkish isn't great but the reports on the young turk suggested a buy but loan him back agreement which isn't going ahead.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 24, 2025, 04:39:07 PM
I think he had a hard hitting daytime chat show back in the day
Haha!
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 24, 2025, 04:44:41 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 24, 2025, 04:45:33 PM
I think he had a hard hitting daytime chat show back in the day
Haha!
I’m ashamed to say he’s a relative. My Nan’s cousin.
Edit - Killroy-Silk. Not the Turkish lad.
Post by: brontebilly on January 24, 2025, 04:57:19 PM
We could save money on Michael Keane by just sticking a traffic cone in our penalty area. It would have better mobility too.
Was that Keane who played Watkins onside for our winner at Everton? Not sure Diego Carlos would be that far behind the defensive line.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 24, 2025, 04:59:57 PM
Aston Villa are exploring a move for Besiktas forward Semih Kılıçsoy.
@SportsPeteO
We've been linked with him for over 12 months now and is well documented on here. As much as I like/love him, I can't see it happening unless we bring him in on loan with an option to buy. Where he fits in is another matter. The Turkish Sergio Agüero I think would work best with Duran rather than Watkins, the Little & Large Show. That said, as I previously mentioned, he's having a poor season, the complete opposite to last season, no idea why. I can see why Beşiktaş may want to cash in now though.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 24, 2025, 05:02:13 PM
I miss the days of just reading posts without checking who posted them. Sometimes, I’d think ‘that sounds authoritative - sounds like Dave - check and correct. Sometimes I’d think ‘yes, I agree with that - probably LeeB’. Now we’re back to mindless drivel - you know who.
Such derogatory attempts are uncalled for, and the narrative you're attempting to repeat at my posts being unequal to others still in 2025 is really disheartening. Please don't. It lacks community spirit and against site rules. And it's attempting to put me down . Its so so unnecessary.
I hardly consider debating and discussing Duran moving to be drivel, as well as everything else I've contributed. It's seems it's more a case of disagreeing with my opinions and views, which is acceptable, but pouring scorn is not. Its fair more constructive when one provides their own thoughts in the debate and discussion. You have plenty of outstanding inputs I like reading them.
So if needed to discuss my opinion come on at least do it constructively. I really don't want to be a punching bag for the constant negative comments on my postings. There is no need for you to keep choosing to be like that.
I hope there's no more need for you to do that to make put downs on my posts. I don't aim to annoy you or anyone and I had hoped in 2025 respect and understanding shown. Hoping I would not have to defend myself or call people out. I'll have a break now as I'm upset having to even type this.
That said I offer Best wishes for Sunday game and that you enjoy your whole weekend.
Let us move forward and stick to being constructive at the least if needing to comment towards my musings
Thank You
Up The Villa !
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 24, 2025, 06:20:46 PM
Anyway, who do we sell to buy Cunha? My answer - anybody!
Post by: Demitri_C on January 24, 2025, 06:54:13 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2025, 07:21:44 PM
Kiliscoy in for £20-25m.
Duran out for £85m+
All those in favour say "aye".
I'm all for it.
Who is he?
Semih Kılıçsoy (19) plays for Besiktas in the Turkish SupeLig as a striker, he can also play as a winger or attacking midfielder. He is two footed, his idol is Sergio Agüero.
34 League games 12 goals. 4 full caps
My idol is David Byrne, but you wouldn't want to watch me doing Life During Wartime.
Post by: Tuscans on January 24, 2025, 07:46:20 PM
@SamiMokbel81_DM
Aston Villa are the latest club to be monitoring the situation of Matheus Cunha. @SamiMokbel81_DM #avfc
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2025, 07:49:42 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 24, 2025, 07:54:32 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 24, 2025, 08:00:56 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 24, 2025, 08:01:13 PM
Kiliscoy in for £20-25m.
Duran out for £85m+
All those in favour say "aye".
I'm all for it.
Who is he?
Semih Kılıçsoy (19) plays for Besiktas in the Turkish SupeLig as a striker, he can also play as a winger or attacking midfielder. He is two footed, his idol is Sergio Agüero.
34 League games 12 goals. 4 full caps
My idol is David Byrne, but you wouldn't want to watch me doing Life During Wartime.
I think I speak for us all when I say that we fucking well would.
Post by: villadelph on January 24, 2025, 08:04:47 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on January 24, 2025, 08:17:26 PM
Can't see it happening though.
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 24, 2025, 08:24:23 PM
Cunha is a brilliant player. Would be an instant upgrade on any of our wide options.Believe the wolves owner is arriving the weekend
Can't see it happening though.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 24, 2025, 08:26:18 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 24, 2025, 08:30:59 PM
Cunha is a brilliant player. Would be an instant upgrade on any of our wide options.
Can't see it happening though.
Nice to judge on Malen before he has kicked a ball.
Post by: PhilVill on January 24, 2025, 08:31:52 PM
If we bring in Cunha, it was stupid to let Carlos go as he was adept at passing to him.
Very good!
Post by: frank black on January 24, 2025, 08:33:29 PM
I’m convinced Duran will leave this summer no matter if we want to sell or not. If he leaves this window id be really gutted, he’s great fun to have in the team, you just never know what you’ll get. However it means we get Cunha I’d be very happy with him as a replacement. He could operate on his own up front or alongside Ollie. He’d be a great signing.
Absolutely, we’d have a great addition and cash in the bank. Still be sad to lose Duran ( inevitable as it is)
Post by: LukeJames on January 24, 2025, 08:39:10 PM
I'm not sure at all about Cunha. Loads of ability but he doesn't half sulk at times.2 years in Wolverhampton will do that to you tbf.
Post by: VillaTim on January 24, 2025, 09:06:12 PM
Cunha is a top player. I would be very happy with him personallyVery much doubt there's anything in this .
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2025, 09:21:10 PM
Not in place of Duran, and I don't think they would ever sell him to us.
Post by: AV84 on January 24, 2025, 09:26:03 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2025, 09:28:55 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 24, 2025, 09:29:04 PM
Post by: BC Villain on January 24, 2025, 10:16:51 PM
Do you work with Footy Insider?
Football insider have some decent pundits such as financial expert Kieran Maguire and former ref Keith Hackett for insight.
They also have former Villa staff Chief Executive Keith Wyness and Scout Mick Brown.
Some of their Transfer reporters aren't as reliable as likes of Rob Dorsett at Sky.
John Percy is the only one I take any notice off
Post by: Beard82 on January 24, 2025, 10:29:29 PM
They will Sell Cunha - but in Janurary the price will be near to Durans. If they stay up - hell be a key reason why.
Post by: Ian. on January 24, 2025, 10:32:49 PM
Wolfs would want something daft like £25m + Ramsey or £50m + Buendia.
Not Ramsey, but I’d take 50 + Emi.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 24, 2025, 10:42:51 PM
The one who retired to become an agricultural tech billionaire (sort of).
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/premier-league-aston-villa-billionaire-806546-20240120
Maybe Ashton can say hi.
Doubt I’ll ever be a billionaire, I shove all my cash back into research.
Post by: AV84 on January 24, 2025, 10:57:04 PM
Wolfs would want something daft like £25m + Ramsey or £50m + Buendia.
Not Ramsey, but I’d take 50 + Emi.
I was thinking the same. Frees up a squad spot and is an upgrade. And in this hypothetical we've got 100mil of the Saudis, so we're in profit? Win win.
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2025, 11:09:35 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 24, 2025, 11:11:08 PM
The one who retired to become an agricultural tech billionaire (sort of).
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/premier-league-aston-villa-billionaire-806546-20240120
Maybe Ashton can say hi.
Wave his Nobel Prize for Modesty at him.
Not likely to win anything for modesty. Mock away, but people like me are why you will still be able to eat in a decades time.
Should have won one for science already, but will take the world 20-40 years to catch up with me. That's not unusual in science, it's actually quite resistant to paradigm change.
Reckon I'll get the World Food Prize inside the next 5 years though.
Post by: Stu on January 24, 2025, 11:17:43 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 24, 2025, 11:23:54 PM
Play it cool AshtonThe one who retired to become an agricultural tech billionaire (sort of).
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/premier-league-aston-villa-billionaire-806546-20240120
Maybe Ashton can say hi.
Wave his Nobel Prize for Modesty at him.
Not likely to win anything for modesty. Mock away, but people like me are why you will still be able to eat in a decades time.
Should have won one for science already, but will take the world 20-40 years to catch up with me. That's not unusual in science, it's actually quite resistant to paradigm change.
Reckon I'll get the World Food Prize inside the next 5 years though.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 24, 2025, 11:50:27 PM
The one who retired to become an agricultural tech billionaire (sort of).
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/premier-league-aston-villa-billionaire-806546-20240120
Maybe Ashton can say hi.
Wave his Nobel Prize for Modesty at him.
Not likely to win anything for modesty. Mock away, but people like me are why you will still be able to eat in a decades time.
Should have won one for science already, but will take the world 20-40 years to catch up with me. That's not unusual in science, it's actually quite resistant to paradigm change.
Reckon I'll get the World Food Prize inside the next 5 years though.
I think you'll get the World's Silliest Man before then.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 24, 2025, 11:52:08 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 24, 2025, 11:54:21 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/YcC28d6/IMG-3428.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YcC28d6)
That’s not really worked
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 24, 2025, 11:59:49 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/YcC28d6/IMG-3428.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YcC28d6)
That’s not really worked
Your work off the gag and graft for the thread were worth much more than succeeding in what you were trying to achieve mate.
Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2025, 12:13:45 AM
The one who retired to become an agricultural tech billionaire (sort of).
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/premier-league-aston-villa-billionaire-806546-20240120
Maybe Ashton can say hi.
Wave his Nobel Prize for Modesty at him.
Not likely to win anything for modesty. Mock away, but people like me are why you will still be able to eat in a decades time.
Should have won one for science already, but will take the world 20-40 years to catch up with me. That's not unusual in science, it's actually quite resistant to paradigm change.
Reckon I'll get the World Food Prize inside the next 5 years though.
Wow.
All things said, that is a fucking spectacular post.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 25, 2025, 12:15:59 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 25, 2025, 12:20:29 AM
You’re a fucking fantasist mate.That’s pretty insulting without knowing any facts.
Post by: Stu on January 25, 2025, 12:23:36 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2025, 12:31:10 AM
Post by: Matt C on January 25, 2025, 02:16:59 AM
Post by: Rigadon on January 25, 2025, 06:50:14 AM
Post by: jwarry on January 25, 2025, 07:13:59 AM
BBC gossip page has a link to the Daily Hate saying we’re in for Cunha with Duran going to Al Nassir. There does see to be something going on with Duran. Weird.
Am wondering if Monaco was the last straw as he clearly didn’t follow instructions
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 25, 2025, 07:51:37 AM
The one who retired to become an agricultural tech billionaire (sort of).
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/premier-league-aston-villa-billionaire-806546-20240120
Maybe Ashton can say hi.
Wave his Nobel Prize for Modesty at him.
Not likely to win anything for modesty. Mock away, but people like me are why you will still be able to eat in a decades time.
Should have won one for science already, but will take the world 20-40 years to catch up with me. That's not unusual in science, it's actually quite resistant to paradigm change.
Reckon I'll get the World Food Prize inside the next 5 years though.
Socially useful stuff like that won't win you any popularity points stuff here, though, I'm afraid. Have you considered becoming a Communist or humblebragging about all the drugs you take?
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 25, 2025, 08:30:01 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 25, 2025, 08:32:04 AM
I think he had a hard hitting daytime chat show back in the day
Haha!
I’m ashamed to say he’s a relative. My Nan’s cousin.
Edit - Killroy-Silk. Not the Turkish lad.
Always had a slight resemblance to Michael Hestletine.
Edit - Not your Nan.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 25, 2025, 08:37:48 AM
BBC gossip page has a link to the Daily Hate saying we’re in for Cunha with Duran going to Al Nassir. There does see to be something going on with Duran. Weird.
As entertaining as he is, there will always be 'something going on' with Duran every transfer window and all times in between, I'm pretty sure that there are few of us expecting to attend his testimonial match.
Post by: Rigadon on January 25, 2025, 08:46:35 AM
Of course, it could well be nonsense. But it must be a bit destabilising.
Post by: eye digress on January 25, 2025, 09:32:12 AM
Post by: KevinGage on January 25, 2025, 10:17:42 AM
BBC gossip page has a link to the Daily Hate saying we’re in for Cunha with Duran going to Al Nassir. There does see to be something going on with Duran. Weird.
As entertaining as he is, there will always be 'something going on' with Duran every transfer window and all times in between, I'm pretty sure that there are few of us expecting to attend his testimonial match.
Indeed.
Emery - who doesn’t have a reputation for being overly warm or one who to soft soak an individual player - went to great lengths to reassure him he had a big role to play earlier this season. A bumper new contract followed shortly after.
Now this noise.
Post by: Clampy on January 25, 2025, 10:23:47 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 25, 2025, 10:26:55 AM
The lesson from the past two windows with Duran is not to be taken in by the hype, he’ll still be here next week.
Starting him today would help put things to bed. He should have started in Monaco. Watkins was flat from the off.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 25, 2025, 10:29:10 AM
The lesson from the past two windows with Duran is not to be taken in by the hype, he’ll still be here next week.
Starting him today would help put things to bed. He should have started in Monaco. Watkins was flat from the off.
For the Under 18s? That’ll make things worse. But I suppose will put it to bed.
Post by: eamonn on January 25, 2025, 10:30:24 AM
The noise is coming from elsewhere though. We had similar with Benteke until he finally went.
Which was often stirred by his agent iirc and if Durán's agent is doing the same, it may as well be the player.
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2025, 10:30:46 AM
Post by: OCD on January 25, 2025, 12:37:17 PM
I still think we'll try and loan in a 10 before the window closes on top of signing a centre half from somewhere. I just get the impression from Emery he's not happy with the attacking side from the other night, things haven't clicked enough this season and we're are overly reliant on Rogers.
The talk on that one is Asensio coming in on loan until the end of the season.
Post by: Londonvilla on January 25, 2025, 01:53:08 PM
Bayer Leverkusen are making moves to try and sign Emi Buendia from Aston Villa, to replace the injured Martin Terrier.
That’s according to journalist Florian Plettenberg, who reports that Leverkusen are exploring a loan deal for the Argentine midfielder.
According to his information, Leverkusen are considering make a loan offer with an option to buy included. Aston Villa aren’t interested in this and are instead demanding an obligation to buy be included in any loan deal.
Another unnamed club are also in the race for Buendia at this moment in time. Plettenberg doesn’t provide any hints on who that may be, though.
https://sportwitness.co.uk/bayer-leverkusen-making-moves-to-sign-aston-villa-player-loan-with-option-or-obligation-to-buy/
I would take a loan with an obligation of £25m with add-on
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 25, 2025, 02:12:54 PM
Bayer Leverkusen making moves to sign Aston Villa player – Loan with option or obligation to buy
Bayer Leverkusen are making moves to try and sign Emi Buendia from Aston Villa, to replace the injured Martin Terrier.
That’s according to journalist Florian Plettenberg, who reports that Leverkusen are exploring a loan deal for the Argentine midfielder.
According to his information, Leverkusen are considering make a loan offer with an option to buy included. Aston Villa aren’t interested in this and are instead demanding an obligation to buy be included in any loan deal.
Another unnamed club are also in the race for Buendia at this moment in time. Plettenberg doesn’t provide any hints on who that may be, though.
https://sportwitness.co.uk/bayer-leverkusen-making-moves-to-sign-aston-villa-player-loan-with-option-or-obligation-to-buy/
I would take a loan with an obligation of £25 with add-on
Ha!
Post by: Londonvilla on January 25, 2025, 02:52:24 PM
Bayer Leverkusen making moves to sign Aston Villa player – Loan with option or obligation to buy
Bayer Leverkusen are making moves to try and sign Emi Buendia from Aston Villa, to replace the injured Martin Terrier.
That’s according to journalist Florian Plettenberg, who reports that Leverkusen are exploring a loan deal for the Argentine midfielder.
According to his information, Leverkusen are considering make a loan offer with an option to buy included. Aston Villa aren’t interested in this and are instead demanding an obligation to buy be included in any loan deal.
Another unnamed club are also in the race for Buendia at this moment in time. Plettenberg doesn’t provide any hints on who that may be, though.
https://sportwitness.co.uk/bayer-leverkusen-making-moves-to-sign-aston-villa-player-loan-with-option-or-obligation-to-buy/
I would take a loan with an obligation of £25 with add-on
Ha!
£25 million
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 25, 2025, 02:55:07 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 25, 2025, 03:11:58 PM
I like Buendia, but if he is on big wages I can see why we would be looking to move him on. If it did mean Cunha coming in it would certainly be an upgrade too.
I am a tad concerned about the paucity of centre back options now Carlos is gone. Be interesting to see what kind of player we bring in, but I would imagine they will be looking for someone that will complement Torres well.
As for Duran, I would be inclined to sell him. Good as he is the circus surrounding him is irritating and unlikely to go away, and if we did clear £80m as is being reported then it should allow us to strengthen in 2-3 positions. £80m for a second choice player is unheard of, and we could find a back-up closer in style to Watkins.
Post by: AV84 on January 25, 2025, 03:12:09 PM
Post by: Astnor on January 25, 2025, 08:49:50 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 25, 2025, 09:34:08 PM
Perhaps Jonny Evans could be a backup for the last half of the season- appreciate he is getting on, but would be cheap and experienced (like Colin Calderwood back in the day).
Would love a statement signing like Jonathan Tah or Guehi but that’s not going to happen.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2025, 09:37:26 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 25, 2025, 09:43:58 PM
At least with some experience
We must have someone almost signed to have let Carlos go….
If not it’s a bit Bruce esq and a tad ridiculous to have 2 recognised centre halves
Post by: jon collett on January 25, 2025, 09:53:08 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2025, 09:53:46 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 25, 2025, 10:06:59 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 25, 2025, 10:11:57 PM
Sverre Nypan, playing for Rosenborg over here, 18 years old midfielder supposed to be the next big thing form here and there is a lot of speculation where he is going. Local press says he s been in Birmingham with Aston Villa today, Manchester also today or yesterday, in talks with Arsenal and Atlethico Madrid interested and also some of the big German clubs. Good that we are on it though.
Thought he was going to Arsenal.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2025, 10:12:47 PM
I mean we've carried 2 injuries there before so been this light, but I get the point. Bade was clearly close last weekend and has had a change of heart, but the club has rightly decided to take the chance to shed Diego's wages. I'm sure a centre half in some gise will be in this week.
Well we need too, because we’re currently relying on a guy who’s just back from a severe injury to play a sequence of games. It’s not a great place to be.
Post by: jon collett on January 25, 2025, 10:13:17 PM
I mean we've carried 2 injuries there before so been this light, but I get the point. Bade was clearly close last weekend and has had a change of heart, but the club has rightly decided to take the chance to shed Diego's wages. I'm sure a centre half in some gise will be in this week.
Yep let’s hope they pull something out the bag. If not that’s two poor windows in a row for Monchi. He doesn’t seem to have the contacts he was built up to have. So look again next week and if necessary make changes!
Post by: ROBBO on January 26, 2025, 12:07:17 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2025, 12:37:38 AM
I mean we've carried 2 injuries there before so been this light, but I get the point. Bade was clearly close last weekend and has had a change of heart, but the club has rightly decided to take the chance to shed Diego's wages. I'm sure a centre half in some gise will be in this week.
Yep let’s hope they pull something out the bag. If not that’s two poor windows in a row for Monchi. He doesn’t seem to have the contacts he was built up to have. So look again next week and if necessary make changes!
He's so far moved on the two players that most people have moaned about not being good enough (one of whom was on seriously big money, the other for good profit).
We've signed an exciting forward player and a well regarded young player in a position everyone has been screaming we need reinforcement for.
I reckon that's not a bad window so far. We're linked with plenty of quality and deals are notoriously hard to do in January.
Post by: OCD on January 26, 2025, 12:44:18 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2025, 01:01:52 AM
Who does Monchi report to?
FootyVill.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 26, 2025, 01:04:00 AM
Did we sign that Turkish kid in the end? I never saw any confirmation of a deal.
Looking around we've been about to sign him every tomorrow for the past two weeks.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on January 26, 2025, 07:21:05 AM
Post by: Mellin on January 26, 2025, 08:42:24 AM
Selling is just as important as buying now. Ref: Man United. Having said that, last time we had 3 centre halves it nearly cost us promotion, whilst Spurs are currently paying the price for the same poor planning (it's not bad luck If you're undermanned, media). If we can't get a top quality centre half in, I'd be looking for another Jan Bednarek type gap filler until the summer. Don't waste money on shite.
Post by: brontebilly on January 26, 2025, 08:55:22 AM
Barcelona may allow Andreas Christensen to leave, would be a decent buy at the right money (Didn’t he go there on a free?)
Gets injured a lot but is a good player. Good competition for Konsa and tidy on the ball. If it's a brute we are looking for to partner Torres, it's not him.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 26, 2025, 10:10:13 AM
Will see what happens this week but were we not to be bringing in an experienced CB to replace Carlos then that would be absolutely insane and you’d have to ask WTF Monchi is doing if he’s managed to get us into that situation.
Post by: LeeB on January 26, 2025, 10:15:36 AM
Post by: jwarry on January 26, 2025, 10:36:02 AM
Aston Villa are in talks to sign new defender and Juan Foyth is one of the main targets, after Badé deal off.
Initial proposal already sent to Villarreal as Unai Emery knows the player well, as @javimatagil reports.
Deal on.
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2025, 10:38:42 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2025, 10:38:46 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2025, 10:40:55 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 26, 2025, 10:42:21 AM
EDIT - Yes 16 appearances in 4 years there. A 6ft 2 right back.
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2025, 10:43:03 AM
Negative, injury prone, poor at spurs, mainly a right back lol
Post by: Dave on January 26, 2025, 10:44:18 AM
Wasn't he at Leicester when they won the league?
Nope. He'd be better than not replacing Carlos at all, but it certainly wouldn't be upgrading our defence to where we wanted it to be.
Six month loan and we bring in the next Saliba / Van Dijk in the summer = not ideal, but fine.
Foyth on a four-year deal and our options next season are Konsa / Foyth / Mings / Pau = definitely not fine.
Post by: jwarry on January 26, 2025, 10:45:34 AM
Positive.. Emery knows him well.
Negative, injury prone, poor at spurs, mainly a right back lol
Right Back is the new Left Back
Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2025, 10:48:27 AM
Spot onWasn't he at Leicester when they won the league?
Nope. He'd be better than not replacing Carlos at all, but it certainly wouldn't be upgrading our defence to where we wanted it to be.
Six month loan and we bring in the next Saliba / Van Dijk in the summer = not ideal, but fine.
Foyth on a four-year deal and our options next season are Konsa / Foyth / Mings / Pau = definitely not fine.
Post by: jwarry on January 26, 2025, 10:50:06 AM
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Post by: Richard E on January 26, 2025, 10:51:45 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2025, 10:55:23 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2025, 10:56:10 AM
Wasn't he at Leicester when they won the league?
Nope. He'd be better than not replacing Carlos at all, but it certainly wouldn't be upgrading our defence to where we wanted it to be.
Six month loan and we bring in the next Saliba / Van Dijk in the summer = not ideal, but fine.
Foyth on a four-year deal and our options next season are Konsa / Foyth / Mings / Pau = definitely not fine.
Nope,not sure why I thought that. But agree with the rest of what you say. Seems an odd choice.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 26, 2025, 10:58:18 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on January 26, 2025, 10:58:51 AM
Post by: Dave on January 26, 2025, 11:01:44 AM
We obviously can't spend any money.
We've spent £20m or so on Malen and were happy to spend another £20m on Bade.
Even without the money were prepared to spend on Bade (which obviously hasn't been spent yet) only Man City have spent more than us this window.
Post by: jwarry on January 26, 2025, 11:14:06 AM
Post by: jwarry on January 26, 2025, 11:22:05 AM
He’s been out for a year / season with an injury and only recently come back. That alone should be a red flag along with Mings’ recovery.
Was he definitely injured? I can’t find anything that says he was
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 26, 2025, 11:23:14 AM
Suspect it’s more about availability than money and Foyth is our fall back if we can’t get main targets
That was my thinking too. Maybe I’m being harsh as he was young when he was at Spurs but Foyth didn’t impress me and coming off the back of a long term injury to go from Bade to him seems a stretch, you’d think they’d be other options in between.
Post by: brontebilly on January 26, 2025, 11:25:49 AM
Positive.. Emery knows him well.
Negative, injury prone, poor at spurs, mainly a right back lol
He gets linked with us every transfer window, hope it's just football insider stuff tbh.
Post by: paul_e on January 26, 2025, 11:31:22 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on January 26, 2025, 11:32:35 AM
We obviously can't spend any money.
We've spent £20m or so on Malen and were happy to spend another £20m on Bade.
Even without the money were prepared to spend on Bade (which obviously hasn't been spent yet) only Man City have spent more than us this window.
We sold Philogene to cover Malen and Carlos will cover a centre back. It's one in an one out and no net spend.
Post by: Beard82 on January 26, 2025, 11:40:26 AM
You just having a nagging feeling that psr is going to be another what if moment in our history
Post by: Monty on January 26, 2025, 11:45:06 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 26, 2025, 12:03:17 PM
We obviously can't spend any money.
We've spent £20m or so on Malen and were happy to spend another £20m on Bade.
Even without the money were prepared to spend on Bade (which obviously hasn't been spent yet) only Man City have spent more than us this window.
We sold Philogene to cover Malen and Carlos will cover a centre back. It's one in an one out and no net spend.
To be honest, that’s how I’d want us to be run. Especially in January where there’s seldom good value out there.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 26, 2025, 12:07:47 PM
If it weren't for PSR Newcastle would've done another City, who'd be continuing to do City 1.0, and what we were up to would be pretty fuckin' moot.
Indeed. When I see PIF not being able to spend billions on players, and the positions of Spurs and Man Utd in the table, and even the unusual position of Man City, I’m increasingly thinking that PSR is more of a friend to us than an enemy.
Forest, Bournemouth too.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 26, 2025, 12:10:51 PM
If no PSR newcastle would do be probably winning the league and signing every player on stupid wages
They could cherry pick mpst players on the planet. Rather have PSR than that happening
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2025, 12:15:49 PM
We obviously can't spend any money.
We've spent £20m or so on Malen and were happy to spend another £20m on Bade.
Even without the money were prepared to spend on Bade (which obviously hasn't been spent yet) only Man City have spent more than us this window.
We sold Philogene to cover Malen and Carlos will cover a centre back. It's one in an one out and no net spend.
Well Badé would have resulted in a net spend increase.
Post by: aj2k77 on January 26, 2025, 12:29:55 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 26, 2025, 12:31:03 PM
Man City Man Utd and spurs have much higher headroom. That fact that despite that the last 2 are doing so bad is just an illustration the clubs with bigger turnovers can be badly ran.
Post by: Gareth on January 26, 2025, 12:43:40 PM
Back to Foyth…had we not already signed a right back to go with the 2 that we already have I’d have been ok with that but we actually need a big, strong centre back not another right back.
It feels like we are really on the edge with Mings having missed thick end of 18 months being asked to play every minute of every game….massive risk
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 26, 2025, 01:19:38 PM
If it weren't for PSR Newcastle would've done another City, who'd be continuing to do City 1.0, and what we were up to would be pretty fuckin' moot.
Indeed. When I see PIF not being able to spend billions on players, and the positions of Spurs and Man Utd in the table, and even the unusual position of Man City, I’m increasingly thinking that PSR is more of a friend to us than an enemy.
Forest, Bournemouth too.
I agree.
I think the concept is sound but the execution not good. Bit like VAR.
Post by: Beard82 on January 26, 2025, 02:15:31 PM
Yeah that’s exactly itIf it weren't for PSR Newcastle would've done another City, who'd be continuing to do City 1.0, and what we were up to would be pretty fuckin' moot.
Indeed. When I see PIF not being able to spend billions on players, and the positions of Spurs and Man Utd in the table, and even the unusual position of Man City, I’m increasingly thinking that PSR is more of a friend to us than an enemy.
Forest, Bournemouth too.
I agree.
I think the concept is sound but the execution not good. Bit like VAR.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 26, 2025, 03:06:43 PM
It doesn’t excite me as much as Badé did, because I feel Badé would have offered a lot more to the team.
But nevermind, whatever.
Post by: paul_e on January 26, 2025, 03:15:05 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 26, 2025, 03:26:26 PM
Post by: ROBBO on January 26, 2025, 03:53:06 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 26, 2025, 03:59:06 PM
The current way has so many downside beyond purely limiting the ability to grow. It forces teams to sell youth players, it forces fans to have to pay more, and you end up with players like Dendonker on the book which can be "written off" even though it would be better for everyone.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2025, 04:03:12 PM
If it weren't for PSR Newcastle would've done another City, who'd be continuing to do City 1.0, and what we were up to would be pretty fuckin' moot.
Indeed. When I see PIF not being able to spend billions on players, and the positions of Spurs and Man Utd in the table, and even the unusual position of Man City, I’m increasingly thinking that PSR is more of a friend to us than an enemy.
Forest, Bournemouth too.
Perhaps for now, but we've seen what happens before when we're not able to step up and challenge at the top echelons of the league.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 26, 2025, 04:04:59 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 26, 2025, 05:34:59 PM
Emery knows him well, Foyth knows the Emery way , Champions League experienced, played in Prem and is Spanish speaking.
I think it's a deal that will get done.
Post by: Rigadon on January 26, 2025, 05:35:57 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 26, 2025, 05:36:57 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 26, 2025, 05:38:02 PM
Acceleration for the move for Foyth makes sense.
I thought he was a right back?
Post by: KRS on January 26, 2025, 05:40:32 PM
Post by: Dave on January 26, 2025, 05:43:16 PM
Acceleration for the move for Foyth makes sense.
I thought he was a right back?
A centre back that Emery decided he wanted to use at right-back a lot.
Very Konsa-adjacent.
Post by: AV84 on January 26, 2025, 05:47:44 PM
Is the Bade deal off? If so, what happened for it go tits up?
Player decided he didn't fancy competing for playing time, called it off himself.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 26, 2025, 06:00:20 PM
Ok thanks 😊Acceleration for the move for Foyth makes sense.
I thought he was a right back?
A centre back that Emery decided he wanted to use at right-back a lot.
Very Konsa-adjacent.
Post by: Villan82 on January 26, 2025, 06:34:21 PM
Post by: Matt C on January 26, 2025, 06:34:46 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 26, 2025, 06:36:53 PM
Letting Carlos go without his replacement being signed was idiotic.
Nah.
At that price that's some of the better business we've done over the last 12 months.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2025, 06:45:20 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 26, 2025, 06:49:22 PM
Is the Bade deal off? If so, what happened for it go tits up?
He watched us.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 26, 2025, 06:52:18 PM
All links to date feel like we are making do rather than pushing to improve.
Post by: KevinGage on January 26, 2025, 06:52:46 PM
Well it’s probably cost us 2 points.
Or gained us one.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2025, 06:58:35 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 26, 2025, 06:59:00 PM
Do you think the Mings injury will mean we bring forward some summer cash to buy proper first teamer?
All links to date feel like we are making do rather than pushing to improve.
With so many financial restrictions facing most of the overpaying PL, I expect the only way to get better players is to loan with an obligation to buy in the summer.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2025, 06:59:32 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 26, 2025, 07:25:49 PM
It would quite a stretch to say we gained a point as a result of selling our back-up centre back (who was needed today) without a replacement.C'mon, it's pretty obvious it's a joke.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 26, 2025, 07:26:25 PM
Well it’s probably cost us 2 points.
Do you think a CB coming in from outside and playing on the wrong side of the pitch then they are used to would have helped defensively?
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2025, 07:27:50 PM
Well it’s probably cost us 2 points.
Do you think a CB coming in from outside and playing on the wrong side of the pitch then they are used to would have helped defensively?
Versus how Digne played? Almost certainly.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on January 26, 2025, 07:27:56 PM
Well it’s probably cost us 2 points.
Do you think a CB coming in from outside and playing on the wrong side of the pitch then they are used to would have helped defensively?
It would have worked better than putting a LB who was completely hopeless there
Post by: Tuscans on January 26, 2025, 07:43:53 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2025, 07:45:36 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 26, 2025, 07:47:40 PM
Well, that's that then. Juan facking Foyth.Juan facking Foyth, you're just a Juan facking Foyth.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2025, 07:49:06 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 26, 2025, 07:51:18 PM
How?
I’m far from convinced DC would’ve come on and restored order and balance.
On paper, a draw when we needed to win to start motoring again is poor.
But throw an unpredictable element like Diego Carlos into that this afternoon and a draw could’ve been a 1-4 reversal.
Post by: Tuscans on January 26, 2025, 07:51:50 PM
Foyth isn’t really a centre back is he? And has had a rough couple of years with injury?Played as a centre back in his early years. Think that's how Spurs tried using him until Villareal under Mister.
Post by: villa for life on January 26, 2025, 07:53:40 PM
How?
I’m far from convinced DC would’ve come on and restored order and balance.
On paper, a draw when we needed to win to start motoring again is poor.
But throw an unpredictable element like Diego Carlos into that this afternoon and a draw could’ve been a 1-4 reversal.
Agree.
Post by: KevinGage on January 26, 2025, 07:55:43 PM
We might get Foyth as well. But that will be more a squad option as much as anything.
Post by: KevinGage on January 26, 2025, 07:56:52 PM
When we were in a far more precarious position than we are now.
So it is possible.
Let’s hope the new guy does the same.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 26, 2025, 08:09:42 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2025, 08:10:38 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 26, 2025, 08:14:49 PM
Post by: villa for life on January 26, 2025, 08:18:47 PM
How good has our transfer policy actually been under the Monchi?
Post by: Tuscans on January 26, 2025, 08:19:36 PM
@SportsPeteO
He works for you know who, Voldemort.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2025, 08:37:32 PM
Post by: Smirker on January 26, 2025, 08:40:32 PM
Aston Villa are exploring a loan move for Axel Disasi.
@SportsPeteO
He works for you know who, Voldemort.
Seems a bit tasty.
Post by: AV84 on January 26, 2025, 08:49:26 PM
While we're at it, Mings has cost us 6 points in the CL. So it's not like he's the be all and end all of our defence(or whole team) as some people would like to have us believe.
Post by: jwarry on January 26, 2025, 08:54:23 PM
We obviously need a CB, or two depending on how Mings is, but we'd switched off long before he went off today. Having Carlos or not having Carlos is irrelevant to how badly we played for all bar 15 minutes of that game.
While we're at it, Mings has cost us 6 points in the CL. So it's not like he's the be all and end all of our defence(or whole team) as some people would like to have us believe.
Quite
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2025, 08:54:44 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2025, 08:56:18 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 26, 2025, 09:07:50 PM
Letting Carlos go without his replacement being signed was idiotic.
Tough one mate. The momey was good but i expected we had someone lined up. Bit crazy to let him go without a replacement in
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2025, 09:17:08 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 26, 2025, 09:49:29 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 26, 2025, 09:54:46 PM
It’s not that tough. It’s just pretty poor.
We dont know for sure though. We could ahve had a verbal agreement eveeything agreed play does u turn what can we do?
10m for a out of favour player who is on big wages and over 30 can see why club accepted it.
But the club needs to hav6w someone in before the next league game now
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 26, 2025, 09:55:15 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 26, 2025, 09:55:38 PM
How many clubs have three or four of first team quality ready to drop straight in.
It would knobble most sides.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2025, 10:19:22 PM
It’s not that tough. It’s just pretty poor.
We dont know for sure though. We could ahve had a verbal agreement eveeything agreed play does u turn what can we do?
10m for a out of favour player who is on big wages and over 30 can see why club accepted it.
But the club needs to hav6w someone in before the next league game now
Thing is ultimately it doesn’t matter how close we were - whatever the route we chose to sell our only fit senior back-up centre half without a replacement signed. As a result we ended up with Digne at centre-back today. He was dreadful and it also robbed us of our best left-back playing his best position. That went along way to us not winning the game, it’s a fuck up.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 26, 2025, 10:33:53 PM
Well, that's that then. Juan facking Foyth.Juan facking Foyth, you're just a Juan facking Foyth.
Unai admissions
"Monchi (sporting director) and the club are looking at different players, the profile
Of course I know Juan Foyth because I worked with him. He is one player, with his quality, he can unite and play with the qualities and the performance we want to add in the squad.”
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 26, 2025, 10:35:25 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 26, 2025, 10:35:50 PM
From something Matt Maher from the E&S has posted from Emery's post-match Diego Carlos wanted to leave.Unai said this:
This transfer window is not easy, we did not want him to leave but he decided to leave because he accepted an offer from Turkey and we’re trying to get one centre-back to replace him.
Post by: AV84 on January 26, 2025, 10:45:42 PM
He’s not the be all and end all - I’ve been vocal on that point. But him going off and Digne going to centre back really stuffed us today. We lost our heads and composure entirely after that.
Sure, Digne at CB was not something any of us had on our bingo cards for this season, but Mings was injured in or around 35 minutes into the game. We should have been 2 or 3 nil up at that point. We should have been able to withstand their fightback, even if we conceded a goal with our makeshift back line.
Carlos going and Mings picking up an injury while Pau is still out is extremely bad luck, but we have a whole heap of problems on the pitch at the moment. Understandable that in the match threads or immediate aftermath people will look for one thing to pin their frustration on, but realistically we're in a dangerous position at the moment and our season could come undone entirely in the next couple of weeks.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2025, 10:57:26 PM
We've got two left footed CB's and both are injured at the same time.
How many clubs have three or four of first team quality ready to drop straight in.
It would knobble most sides.
It's where we are going to miss having someone like a Callum Chambers. Nowhere near first choice, but you know you're going to need him to fill in for the odd game at some point in the season.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 26, 2025, 11:07:54 PM
He’s not the be all and end all - I’ve been vocal on that point. But him going off and Digne going to centre back really stuffed us today. We lost our heads and composure entirely after that.
Sure, Digne at CB was not something any of us had on our bingo cards for this season, but Mings was injured in or around 35 minutes into the game. We should have been 2 or 3 nil up at that point. We should have been able to withstand their fightback, even if we conceded a goal with our makeshift back line.
Carlos going and Mings picking up an injury while Pau is still out is extremely bad luck, but we have a whole heap of problems on the pitch at the moment. Understandable that in the match threads or immediate aftermath people will look for one thing to pin their frustration on, but realistically we're in a dangerous position at the moment and our season could come undone entirely in the next couple of weeks.
Jacob Tanswell, on 1874 podcasts mentioned Digne at left centre back about a month back. Whether he’d seen him train there or UE mentioned the possibility I’m not sure. It’s not something I’d want to see for a run of games so I hope we get someone in who naturally plays in that position.
Post by: Matt C on January 26, 2025, 11:21:06 PM
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Post by: ozzjim on January 26, 2025, 11:31:38 PM
In the last week of the window my wishlist is now 2 centre halves if 1 of them is Foyth, because well, he's as injury prone as they come and we will need another one, plus a midfielder. If that midfielder could be Douglas Luiz, great. It solves so many issues. Mainly control, ability to play a pass and an ability to drive the side forward alongside Kamara. If it's not him, then I want a proper 10, that can be creative and take the burden off Rogers when he's struggling like he did today
Post by: tomd2103 on January 26, 2025, 11:39:39 PM
The goal came from an overload on Cash at the back post, Digne started shakily but grew into the role as did Konsa with him. Maatsens terrible though.
In the last week of the window my wishlist is now 2 centre halves if 1 of them is Foyth, because well, he's as injury prone as they come and we will need another one, plus a midfielder. If that midfielder could be Douglas Luiz, great. It solves so many issues. Mainly control, ability to play a pass and an ability to drive the side forward alongside Kamara. If it's not him, then I want a proper 10, that can be creative and take the burden off Rogers when he's struggling like he did today
I suspect we might get one centre half and that will be it. We've got players to cover the other areas you have mentioned.
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2025, 11:54:33 PM
I am guessing Unai moved Digne to left centre back because he’s more mobile than Bogarde.
No, Emery said it's because he likes to build with a left footer there. Digne was the best option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 02:37:15 AM
We obviously need a CB, or two depending on how Mings is, but we'd switched off long before he went off today. Having Carlos or not having Carlos is irrelevant to how badly we played for all bar 15 minutes of that game.
While we're at it, Mings has cost us 6 points in the CL. So it's not like he's the be all and end all of our defence(or whole team) as some people would like to have us believe.
Where do you get 6? 2, surely?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 27, 2025, 04:01:05 AM
We obviously need a CB, or two depending on how Mings is, but we'd switched off long before he went off today. Having Carlos or not having Carlos is irrelevant to how badly we played for all bar 15 minutes of that game.
While we're at it, Mings has cost us 6 points in the CL. So it's not like he's the be all and end all of our defence(or whole team) as some people would like to have us believe.
Where do you get 6? 2, surely?
I think he's just stating 6 because the two errors meant we lost, but yeah, it's 2 points.
Post by: Mister E on January 27, 2025, 06:59:57 AM
I am guessing Unai moved Digne to left centre back because he’s more mobile than Bogarde.Could have moved Kamara back and brought Bogarde into central midfield.
Post by: walsall villain on January 27, 2025, 07:24:57 AM
I thought Kamara had a great game. Yes we could have moved him to CB but we’d have been weaker in midfield. It’s a difficult one.I am guessing Unai moved Digne to left centre back because he’s more mobile than Bogarde.Could have moved Kamara back and brought Bogarde into central midfield.
Post by: AV84 on January 27, 2025, 07:32:03 AM
We obviously need a CB, or two depending on how Mings is, but we'd switched off long before he went off today. Having Carlos or not having Carlos is irrelevant to how badly we played for all bar 15 minutes of that game.
While we're at it, Mings has cost us 6 points in the CL. So it's not like he's the be all and end all of our defence(or whole team) as some people would like to have us believe.
Where do you get 6? 2, surely?
OK, that's fair. No guarantee we would have won those games, but if people can insist we fall apart without him, I'm going to call it 6 points.
Post by: Mister E on January 27, 2025, 07:32:13 AM
Oh, I totally agree with you about the awesomeness of Kamara last night, but as soon as Mings was injured we were always going to have to make compromises. Digne has brilliantly at LB this season, and Maatsen has had a mare, so the compromise we made was a double-whammy.I thought Kamara had a great game. Yes we could have moved him to CB but we’d have been weaker in midfield. It’s a difficult one.I am guessing Unai moved Digne to left centre back because he’s more mobile than Bogarde.Could have moved Kamara back and brought Bogarde into central midfield.
Post by: jwarry on January 27, 2025, 07:43:15 AM
Arsenal, City Group (Girona with future move to Manchester City) and Aston Villa have all presented their project to Sverre Nypan.
Decision up to the player who’s taking his time to visit club and pick the best option.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 08:28:16 AM
I would imagine him thinking he’d get in the team quicker would be our USP. Not saying that will swing it though.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 27, 2025, 08:45:44 AM
I might be biased but I’d definitely pick Villa.
I would imagine him thinking he’d get in the team quicker would be our USP. Not saying that will swing it though.
The Girona > Man City option must be pretty attractive too. Games at a decent level, then graduate to to top table if you can.
In a way we should mirror it with Vitoria and Real Union, just without the cheating.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 27, 2025, 08:47:11 AM
Post by: KevinGage on January 27, 2025, 08:52:00 AM
I thought Kamara had a great game. Yes we could have moved him to CB but we’d have been weaker in midfield. It’s a difficult one.I am guessing Unai moved Digne to left centre back because he’s more mobile than Bogarde.Could have moved Kamara back and brought Bogarde into central midfield.
As a one (or twice) off we might have to wear it.
But we lose too much in the middle of the park if it’s any more than that.
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2025, 08:58:41 AM
Post by: London Villan on January 27, 2025, 09:04:29 AM
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2025, 09:13:59 AM
I thought Kamara had a great game. Yes we could have moved him to CB but we’d have been weaker in midfield. It’s a difficult one.I am guessing Unai moved Digne to left centre back because he’s more mobile than Bogarde.Could have moved Kamara back and brought Bogarde into central midfield.
Kamara played midfield by himself in the second half. Tielemans powder puff out of possession and tired badly. Digne was probably the right call but struggled.
Emery could have started Bogarde next to Kamara though. Despite the injuries. I don't think he has managed the squad all that well lately including subs.
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2025, 09:25:12 AM
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Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 09:56:29 AM
@JacobsBen
Not sure about this one. Leverkusen are in for McAtee.
Post by: Rigadon on January 27, 2025, 10:01:02 AM
Bayer Leverkusen are optimistic of completing a loan move for Emi Buendía — talks currently advanced.
@JacobsBen
Not sure about this one. Leverkusen are in for McAtee.
It really depends on who (if anyone) is bought in as a replacement.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 27, 2025, 10:22:03 AM
Bayer Leverkusen are optimistic of completing a loan move for Emi Buendía — talks currently advanced.
@JacobsBen
Not sure about this one. Leverkusen are in for McAtee.
It really depends on who (if anyone) is bought in as a replacement.
If Buenida goes then Cunha or Asensio would be good moves.
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2025, 10:38:12 AM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 27, 2025, 11:11:56 AM
We aren't getting Cunha off Wolves in January. Just won't happen. Asensio I'm not convinced at all would perform in the prem.Especially as he's probably their best hope of surviving.
Post by: Drummond on January 27, 2025, 11:36:34 AM
GK
Martinez
Olsen
Gauci
Zych
RB
Cash
Garcia
Nedeljkovic (probably off)
Konsa
RCB
Konsa
LCB
Mings i
Torres i
LB
Digne
Maatsen
DM
Kamara
Bogarde
CM
Onana i
Barkley i
LM/W
Ramsey
Buendia (possibly off?)
10
Rogers
Tielemans
McGinn
RM/W
Bailey
Malen
McGinn
CF
Watkins
Duran
Obviously with both LCB and LM injured we're suffering. Buendia, Tielemans and Rogers all kind of interchange and McGinn plays all over.
The gap we have is a right-sided CB to cover or compete with Konsa, and if Buendia goes we need a new 10.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 27, 2025, 11:42:09 AM
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2025, 12:20:22 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 27, 2025, 12:22:00 PM
What's that got to to with 'owt ?
Yeah I fancy a burrito for lunch.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 27, 2025, 12:41:32 PM
What's that got to to with 'owt ?
Yeah I fancy a burrito for lunch.
how much are the price of eggs these days ?
Post by: Holte L2 on January 27, 2025, 12:49:29 PM
We aren't getting Cunha off Wolves in January. Just won't happen. Asensio I'm not convinced at all would perform in the prem.
I have been wondering if we are back in for Joao Felix considering he isn't getting a lot of minutes at Chelsea.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 27, 2025, 01:31:43 PM
We aren't getting Cunha off Wolves in January. Just won't happen. Asensio I'm not convinced at all would perform in the prem.
I have been wondering if we are back in for Joao Felix considering he isn't getting a lot of minutes at Chelsea.
He can f*ck off - how many opportunities does one player need to turn us down - i would rather have Chucky back than him
Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 01:38:48 PM
Negotiations on with Bayer Leverkusen for the Nigerian striker to replace Talisca.
👀🇸🇦 The other candidate is Jhon Durán… but Aston Villa still insist on keeping him at the club.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 27, 2025, 01:41:29 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 27, 2025, 01:45:15 PM
Why is it Alex Isak isn’t constantly linked or talked about in the football media with bigger moves? Surely at 25 in the form he’s in, he should be playing at a higher level than Newcastle?
I think its because newcastle will want well over 100m and i dont think many clubs are willing to pay that. He is also quite in jury prone
Post by: john e on January 27, 2025, 01:48:19 PM
Why is it Alex Isak isn’t constantly linked or talked about in the football media with bigger moves? Surely at 25 in the form he’s in, he should be playing at a higher level than Newcastle?
He’s not doing too bad is he, 17 goals so far this season
Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 01:59:31 PM
@javimatagil
Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 02:02:07 PM
Why is it Alex Isak isn’t constantly linked or talked about in the football media with bigger moves? Surely at 25 in the form he’s in, he should be playing at a higher level than Newcastle?He has been for several months, either because of Newcastles form last season or because of PSR. It's the cost of the total package Newcastle would want with figures of £120m plus being banded about that have probably put an Arsenal off.
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2025, 02:03:17 PM
Why is it Alex Isak isn’t constantly linked or talked about in the football media with bigger moves? Surely at 25 in the form he’s in, he should be playing at a higher level than Newcastle?
He is, isn't he? He's been linked with Arsenal and Chelsea pretty much every week for the last six months.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 27, 2025, 02:05:46 PM
Aston Villa are very close to reaching an agreement for the transfer of Juan Foyth.
@javimatagil
Another right back if his YT reel is anything to go by
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2025, 02:06:21 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2025, 02:22:25 PM
Why is it Alex Isak isn’t constantly linked or talked about in the football media with bigger moves? Surely at 25 in the form he’s in, he should be playing at a higher level than Newcastle?
He is, isn't he? He's been linked with Arsenal and Chelsea pretty much every week for the last six months.
Indeed.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 27, 2025, 02:36:17 PM
Aston Villa are very close to reaching an agreement for the transfer of Juan Foyth.
@javimatagil
Another right back if his YT reel is anything to go by
Will he pass the medical?
Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 02:39:27 PM
Disasi wants to join Villa despite interest from more clubs around Europe after direct talk with Unai Emery, crucial to get the green light.
Deal now up to Chelsea and Villa to reach full agreement.
Post by: Matt C on January 27, 2025, 02:39:32 PM
Post by: London Villan on January 27, 2025, 02:39:35 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 27, 2025, 02:40:37 PM
Diasi from Chelsea incoming according to Romano.
Loan to buy ?
Post by: aev on January 27, 2025, 02:41:11 PM
Diasi from Chelsea incoming according to Romano.
He scored a cracking (own) goal I think?
Post by: London Villan on January 27, 2025, 02:41:39 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2025, 02:42:51 PM
Aston Villa are very close to reaching an agreement for the transfer of Juan Foyth.
@javimatagil
Deeply underwhelming. Lots of injuries in recent times, 16 league appearances in last 18 months doesn't suggest he is "oven ready" as a former OP once put it.
Maybe this is just PSR reality kicking in like Newcastle found after CL football quality.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 27, 2025, 02:43:40 PM
Hoping it isn't an obligation to buy deal.Diasi from Chelsea incoming according to Romano.
Loan to buy ?
Post by: Demitri_C on January 27, 2025, 02:44:31 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2025, 02:45:14 PM
Aston Villa are very close to reaching an agreement for the transfer of Juan Foyth.
@javimatagil
Deeply underwhelming. Lots of injuries in recent times, 16 league appearances in last 18 months doesn't suggest he is "oven ready" as a former OP once put it.
Maybe this is just PSR reality kicking in like Newcastle found after CL football quality.
He’s going to be back-up isn’t he.
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2025, 02:46:54 PM
I actually don't think he's a bad player, but he hasn't been great for Chelsea admittedly. They did pay £45 million to Monaco for him though, and he is a big commanding centre back, so might work well with Pau
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2025, 02:49:27 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 02:50:51 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2025, 02:53:05 PM
Post by: 85kota on January 27, 2025, 02:57:49 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Axel Disaster would be better... or maybe Actual Disaster
Post by: London Villan on January 27, 2025, 02:58:13 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 27, 2025, 03:00:08 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Axel Disaster would be better... or maybe Actual Disaster
They are a bunch of spoilt entitled pricks i wouldn’t worry too much about their opinions
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 27, 2025, 03:00:39 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 27, 2025, 03:02:35 PM
Disasi wants to join Villa despite interest from more clubs around Europe after direct talk with Unai Emery, crucial to get the green light.
Deal now up to Chelsea and Villa to reach full agreement.
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2025, 03:04:01 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 03:05:58 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Villa fans called Savo Missalotovic while he was scoring more goals in his first season in England than Bergkamp and Cantona. Know-nothing football fans love trying to pretend they’re funny.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2025, 03:06:45 PM
You do a bit of background reading on him and his coaches all praise his leadership, calm personality and intelligence following tactical instruction. Emery loves a rehab job, I don't think this is the nailed on disaster people will certainly paint it to be.
I’d immediately question whether pretty much any player who plays at Chelsea and struggles is down to them or the circumstances. It’s at least got to be a question.
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2025, 03:07:46 PM
Post by: 85kota on January 27, 2025, 03:09:56 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Villa fans called Savo Missalotovic while he was scoring more goals in his first season in England than Bergkamp and Cantona. Know-nothing football fans love trying to pretend they’re funny.
Did scoring more goals in that season mean he was a better player than Bergkamp and Cantona?
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2025, 03:10:42 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Villa fans called Savo Missalotovic while he was scoring more goals in his first season in England than Bergkamp and Cantona. Know-nothing football fans love trying to pretend they’re funny.
Did scoring more goals in that season mean he was a better player than Bergkamp and Cantona?
🤣
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 27, 2025, 03:13:53 PM
No issues with Disasi at all. There are loads of players at the Chelsea circus who would probably be excellent players if they weren't having to play at a circus, and everything about his pre-Chelsea career suggests that he is likely one of them.
absolutely they wouldnt spend the money on him otherwise , saying that Mudryk
Post by: john e on January 27, 2025, 03:15:22 PM
Post by: lovejoy on January 27, 2025, 03:17:55 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 03:19:52 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Villa fans called Savo Missalotovic while he was scoring more goals in his first season in England than Bergkamp and Cantona. Know-nothing football fans love trying to pretend they’re funny.
Did scoring more goals in that season mean he was a better player than Bergkamp and Cantona?
No, it meant it was a really shit joke, like yours.
What did I tell you about know-nothing football fans?
Post by: algy on January 27, 2025, 03:20:00 PM
I guess that's what happens when your club is owned by a police state.Why is it Alex Isak isn’t constantly linked or talked about in the football media with bigger moves? Surely at 25 in the form he’s in, he should be playing at a higher level than Newcastle?
I think its because newcastle will want well over 100m and i dont think many clubs are willing to pay that. He is also quite in jury prone
Post by: Beard82 on January 27, 2025, 03:20:03 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 03:20:54 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Villa fans called Savo Missalotovic while he was scoring more goals in his first season in England than Bergkamp and Cantona. Know-nothing football fans love trying to pretend they’re funny.
Did scoring more goals in that season mean he was a better player than Bergkamp and Cantona?
🤣
I don’t get it. Could you explain it to me?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 27, 2025, 03:21:29 PM
Why is it Alex Isak isn’t constantly linked or talked about in the football media with bigger moves? Surely at 25 in the form he’s in, he should be playing at a higher level than Newcastle?
He’s constantly linked with Arsenal. Almost daily.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 27, 2025, 03:23:43 PM
You do a bit of background reading on him and his coaches all praise his leadership, calm personality and intelligence following tactical instruction. Emery loves a rehab job, I don't think this is the nailed on disaster people will certainly paint it to be.
I’d immediately question whether pretty much any player who plays at Chelsea and struggles is down to them or the circumstances. It’s at least got to be a question.
We missed the opportunity to get Trevoh Chalobah off Chelsea in the summer. He'd have been ideal to cover both the RCD and RB positions. At the time they were looking to sell him rather than loan but now after a loan to Palace he's returned to Chelsea and going no where.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2025, 03:24:08 PM
Why is it Alex Isak isn’t constantly linked or talked about in the football media with bigger moves? Surely at 25 in the form he’s in, he should be playing at a higher level than Newcastle?
He’s constantly linked with Arsenal. Almost daily.
In fact, I’m sure there’s an equivalent TV on an Arsenal forum who’s set up a thread to say he’ll soon be signing…(wink emoji)
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2025, 03:25:12 PM
You do a bit of background reading on him and his coaches all praise his leadership, calm personality and intelligence following tactical instruction. Emery loves a rehab job, I don't think this is the nailed on disaster people will certainly paint it to be.
I’d immediately question whether pretty much any player who plays at Chelsea and struggles is down to them or the circumstances. It’s at least got to be a question.
We missed the opportunity to get Trevoh Chalobah off Chelsea in the summer. He'd have been ideal to cover both the RCD and RB positions. At the time they were looking to sell him rather than loan but now after a loan to Palace he's returned to Chelsea and going no where.
I'd take Disasi over Chalobah any day of the week.
Post by: caster troy on January 27, 2025, 03:26:19 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2025, 03:28:47 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 27, 2025, 03:34:29 PM
The Chelsea fans have made him damaged goods with their Disaster nickname, so I hope we try before we buy.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 27, 2025, 03:35:17 PM
You do a bit of background reading on him and his coaches all praise his leadership, calm personality and intelligence following tactical instruction. Emery loves a rehab job, I don't think this is the nailed on disaster people will certainly paint it to be.
I’d immediately question whether pretty much any player who plays at Chelsea and struggles is down to them or the circumstances. It’s at least got to be a question.
We missed the opportunity to get Trevoh Chalobah off Chelsea in the summer. He'd have been ideal to cover both the RCD and RB positions. At the time they were looking to sell him rather than loan but now after a loan to Palace he's returned to Chelsea and going no where.
I'd take Disasi over Chalobah any day of the week.
Excellent. We must be getting a real quality player in then. Bring it on.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 27, 2025, 04:07:29 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 27, 2025, 04:09:22 PM
Looking at Transfermkt, Disasi has mainly been playing RB whereas his skillset (big bugger) means he’s probably better suited to being a dominant CB.
The Chelsea fans have made him damaged goods with their Disaster nickname, so I hope we try before we buy.
I am having a heated debate with them online about this ( i should know better !)
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2025, 04:12:04 PM
Spanish Press are linking us with Marco Asensio on loan.
If even half of these are true, our Champions League squad is going to have a lot of players from the first half of the season left out of it.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 27, 2025, 04:24:00 PM
Looking at Transfermkt, Disasi has mainly been playing RB whereas his skillset (big bugger) means he’s probably better suited to being a dominant CB.
The Chelsea fans have made him damaged goods with their Disaster nickname, so I hope we try before we buy.
I am having a heated debate with them online about this ( i should know better !)
What is the gist of yours and their arguments?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 27, 2025, 04:32:48 PM
Looking at Transfermkt, Disasi has mainly been playing RB whereas his skillset (big bugger) means he’s probably better suited to being a dominant CB.
The Chelsea fans have made him damaged goods with their Disaster nickname, so I hope we try before we buy.
I am having a heated debate with them online about this ( i should know better !)
What is the gist of yours and their arguments?
I am silly to engage but they were saying good riddance and all that and I was feeling protective (already)
but I am arguing with them that with a stable coaching environment he will be fine and they are all entitled spoilt twats
Post by: UK Redsox on January 27, 2025, 05:17:14 PM
Looking at Transfermkt, Disasi has mainly been playing RB whereas his skillset (big bugger) means he’s probably better suited to being a dominant CB.
The Chelsea fans have made him damaged goods with their Disaster nickname, so I hope we try before we buy.
That's no different to UDC and 'Ulysses = Useless'. He wasn't half as bad as was made out, but his name made it easy for insults
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2025, 05:25:03 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Villa fans called Savo Missalotovic while he was scoring more goals in his first season in England than Bergkamp and Cantona. Know-nothing football fans love trying to pretend they’re funny.
Fucking Villa fans, maybe we are "the vile" as that lot call us :'(
Post by: caster troy on January 27, 2025, 05:34:36 PM
Spanish Press are linking us with Marco Asensio on loan.
If even half of these are true, our Champions League squad is going to have a lot of players from the first half of the season left out of it.
Presumably Garcia for Kosta and Disasi for Carlos are two straight swaps in the champions league squad. But how does Malen fit in? I don't think he can just replace Philogene due to the home grown rules? So would he have to replace Buendia? That is then our maximum three changes either way.
If we want to get Foyth in, are we going to argue that Torres has a long term injury in order to replace him? If so I don't think Torres could come in if fit?
I'm having PTSD from years of playing Football Manager and accidentally screwing this bit up.
Post by: Drummond on January 27, 2025, 05:36:27 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2025, 05:43:03 PM
Disasi and Foyth were hardly anywhere near the top of our prospective RCB options for last 6-12 months.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 27, 2025, 05:47:07 PM
Chelsea supporter view suggests Disasi is another Carlos. Last ditch merchant and poor on ball. Chelsea is a tough place to succeed so maybe he can calm down with us. I can't recall much of him against us.
Disasi and Foyth were hardly anywhere near the top of our prospective RCB options for last 6-12 months.
Chelsea supporters would say Paolo Maldini wasn't good enough for them. Never listen to Chelsea supporters.
Post by: Londonvilla on January 27, 2025, 05:59:19 PM
Buendía sign new one year deal at Aston Villa ahead of loan move to Leverkusen.
@FabrizioRomano
£ 16.8m It is a good deal as long as we get a reasonable loan fee
Post by: jwarry on January 27, 2025, 06:01:02 PM
His agent Jorge Mendes, talking to many clubs as reported last week. ⤵️
Post by: jwarry on January 27, 2025, 06:02:02 PM
Post by: Richard E on January 27, 2025, 06:02:45 PM
Chelsea supporter view suggests Disasi is another Carlos. Last ditch merchant and poor on ball. Chelsea is a tough place to succeed so maybe he can calm down with us. I can't recall much of him against us.
Disasi and Foyth were hardly anywhere near the top of our prospective RCB options for last 6-12 months.
Chelsea supporters would say Paolo Maldini wasn't good enough for them. Never listen to Chelsea supporters.
He’s 56 so they’d have a point.
Post by: Londonvilla on January 27, 2025, 06:03:55 PM
🟣🔵👀 Aston Villa, one of several clubs monitoring João Félix situation ahead of the final days of the window.
His agent Jorge Mendes, talking to many clubs as reported last week. ⤵️
We can't loan two players from the same club, so we would have to buy one of them
£44.5million
Chelsea signed Joao Felix from Atletico Madrid in a deal worth £44.5million ($58m). The Portugal forward has agreed a six-year contract with the option of an additional 12 months. Atletico also have a sell-on clause as part of the deal
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2025, 06:04:29 PM
🟣🔵👀 Aston Villa, one of several clubs monitoring João Félix situation ahead of the final days of the window.
His agent Jorge Mendes, talking to many clubs as reported last week. ⤵️
Well, we wouldn't be loaning both him and Disasi. And it feels unlikely we'd be about to chuck £50m or so at them for him.
Post by: Rigadon on January 27, 2025, 06:10:34 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on January 27, 2025, 06:22:19 PM
Juan Foyth from Villarreal now linkedI think he's Foythcoming
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2025, 06:22:21 PM
Juan Foyth from Villarreal now linked
Since before Mings injury, now it has ramped-up.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 27, 2025, 06:25:19 PM
Felix is the new Benni McCarthy.
Or Carlton Palmer. We will be linked with him every window until he retires. Unlike Carlton Palmer he’s a brilliant player. But he wanted to join Chelsea in full knowledge they had a million players already at his favoured position. Emery absolutely loves him so that’s the only reason we keep chasing him like a spotty teenage boy after the girl that won’t say yes.
Post by: AV84 on January 27, 2025, 06:27:54 PM
Post by: danno on January 27, 2025, 06:29:29 PM
Didn't Chelsea just sign Felix last summer? What's happening that they're willing to sell him already? Was it some kind of financial trickery involving the Gallagher transfer?
He's wanting to be let out. Typical of cats.
Post by: andyh on January 27, 2025, 06:29:40 PM
So, £70m plus Felix for Duran.
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2025, 06:29:51 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2025, 06:30:39 PM
It’s Chelsea. The financial benefactor to everyone.
So, £70m plus Felix for Duran.
That is a deal I could see us taking though lol
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 06:31:04 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Villa fans called Savo Missalotovic while he was scoring more goals in his first season in England than Bergkamp and Cantona. Know-nothing football fans love trying to pretend they’re funny.
Did scoring more goals in that season mean he was a better player than Bergkamp and Cantona?
🤣
It could be a bit much for someone who can’t tell the time, but could you explain this to me?
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 27, 2025, 06:35:38 PM
So maybe this in the winter window after all?Gallagher for Duran would have been a fair move during the summer 24 window. If something comes up within this window, say a Villa swap in Felix or Jackson (who played under Emery) I'm not averse if the money is right and a deal is fair.
Felix is a busted flush and Gallagher is fucking crap. Other than that, I fully concur.
Would take Gallagher or Onana? And I think he was first choice in summer
Gallagher been doing well at Ath Madrid and would have suited the midfield play here as well as being less injury prone and more energetic round the pitch than Onana.
On Felix or Jackson well I could see Emery get a tune out of either as he's good at players who have lost their way or needing to take next step.
I suppose swaps more likely to occur in June before PSR deadlines
It now makes sense if Disasi and Felix arrive it would be for Duran and money.
Duran would have gone to Chelsea in the summer if Gallagher hadn't turned us down.
Post by: Mister E on January 27, 2025, 06:48:13 PM
Felix is the new Benni McCarthy.Felix is shite.
Post by: Mister E on January 27, 2025, 06:49:53 PM
Foyth - he'd be firth in the CB pecking order.Juan Foyth from Villarreal now linked
Since before Mings injury, now it has ramped-up.
Post by: Mister E on January 27, 2025, 06:51:41 PM
And there's Tony Cantscorino (a link to Chelsea there).Looking at Transfermkt, Disasi has mainly been playing RB whereas his skillset (big bugger) means he’s probably better suited to being a dominant CB.That's no different to UDC and 'Ulysses = Useless'. He wasn't half as bad as was made out, but his name made it easy for insults
The Chelsea fans have made him damaged goods with their Disaster nickname, so I hope we try before we buy.
Post by: Beard82 on January 27, 2025, 07:12:05 PM
Is he shite - he seems to not think he’s better than us which made me assume he was pretty goodFelix is the new Benni McCarthy.Felix is shite.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 27, 2025, 07:16:10 PM
Is he shite - he seems to not think he’s better than us which made me assume he was pretty goodFelix is the new Benni McCarthy.Felix is shite.
Has he played much for Chelsea ??
Post by: Beard82 on January 27, 2025, 07:17:35 PM
Just looked across all competitions he has 967 mins - less than 400 mins in the pl this seasonIs he shite - he seems to not think he’s better than us which made me assume he was pretty goodFelix is the new Benni McCarthy.Felix is shite.
Has he played much for Chelsea ??
Post by: Beard82 on January 27, 2025, 07:19:02 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on January 27, 2025, 07:29:04 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 27, 2025, 07:50:11 PM
Post by: FatSam on January 27, 2025, 07:54:36 PM
Or Carlton Can’t ControlAnd there's Tony Cantscorino (a link to Chelsea there).Looking at Transfermkt, Disasi has mainly been playing RB whereas his skillset (big bugger) means he’s probably better suited to being a dominant CB.That's no different to UDC and 'Ulysses = Useless'. He wasn't half as bad as was made out, but his name made it easy for insults
The Chelsea fans have made him damaged goods with their Disaster nickname, so I hope we try before we buy.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 27, 2025, 07:55:22 PM
For the comparative amounts we paid I think Cascarino was a much worse deal for the club than Ulises De La Cruz.And there's Tony Cantscorino (a link to Chelsea there).Looking at Transfermkt, Disasi has mainly been playing RB whereas his skillset (big bugger) means he’s probably better suited to being a dominant CB.That's no different to UDC and 'Ulysses = Useless'. He wasn't half as bad as was made out, but his name made it easy for insults
The Chelsea fans have made him damaged goods with their Disaster nickname, so I hope we try before we buy.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 27, 2025, 08:00:29 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 27, 2025, 08:05:40 PM
I can see the Duran and Felix swap but we’d need a warchest of cash. £40m and Disasi on loan I reckon.
I’d be annoyed at this as I’d want Felix to replace the outgoing Buendia, not Duran
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 27, 2025, 08:09:17 PM
I can see the Duran and Felix swap but we’d need a warchest of cash. £40m and Disasi on loan I reckon.
I’d be annoyed at this as I’d want Felix to replace the outgoing Buendia, not Duran
I do think Felix is a 2-4-1 player, as he can play both striker or ten. That should mean he’s involved most matches and therefore justify the move..
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 27, 2025, 08:10:44 PM
I can see the Duran and Felix swap but we’d need a warchest of cash. £40m and Disasi on loan I reckon.
I’d be annoyed at this as I’d want Felix to replace the outgoing Buendia, not Duran
I do think Felix is a 2-4-1 player, as he can play both striker or ten. He’d want/need that to want to come too.
If anyone can Emery can with Felix . Unai has the coaching ability to be able to motivate him you suspect JF would thrive given the creative licence.
Number 10 role suits him and us and would link well with Watkins as does Malen. Duran doesn't link so well with Watkins.
Post by: john2710 on January 27, 2025, 08:13:03 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 27, 2025, 08:16:19 PM
We've attempted to get Felix over the last 2 seasons & my assumption was, we couldn't afford him & he was interested anyway. But his profile is exactly what we need.
I think part of it was he just wanted out of where he was. I'm sure there was talk we were close to signing him, or he was our main priority, but then whatever deal fell through and we couldn't make the finances work. I'm not sure how we can suddenly make the finances work now, but the if there's actually a possibility it could happen we should be trying everything to make it happen.
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2025, 08:18:43 PM
We've attempted to get Felix over the last 2 seasons & my assumption was, we couldn't afford him & he was interested anyway. But his profile is exactly what we need.Hasn't he been a very expensive underperforming flop at Chelsea . Isn't he a bit like Buendia . I'm not sure he's what we need even if it was feasible .
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 27, 2025, 08:20:06 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 27, 2025, 08:22:26 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 27, 2025, 08:23:03 PM
Cashing our chips before some big signings in the summer.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2025, 08:25:41 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 27, 2025, 08:27:00 PM
We've attempted to get Felix over the last 2 seasons & my assumption was, we couldn't afford him & he was interested anyway. But his profile is exactly what we need.Hasn't he been a very expensive underperforming flop at Chelsea . Isn't he a bit like Buendia . I'm not sure he's what we need even if it was feasible .
A flop? No. He's just been the primary victim of Cole Palmer proving to be brilliant. They play in the same position, and Maresca rarely includes them both in the same team. In recent months, his minutes have come from the bench, often for Palmer at the end of games.
He's getting games in the cups and Europe (6 goals from 8 games in cup comps I think), but he's not getting a look-in ahead of Palmer in the league.
I'd definitely take him, but it would mean a bit of rejigging as he thrives best in the same position that Rogers currently occupies.
Post by: Dave on January 27, 2025, 08:29:20 PM
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 27, 2025, 08:38:52 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 27, 2025, 08:47:17 PM
If we're taking expensive attackers from Chelsea's bench then Nkunku would fit our system much better than Felix I reckon.totally agree with that, Dave.
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2025, 08:49:52 PM
Can’t be far off if Duran and Buendia leave.We'd need to replace Duran though. Felix isn't a number 9 .
Post by: Gareth on January 27, 2025, 08:49:54 PM
Think we need to play our part whilst any changes bed in….can you imagine the flame throwing on here and social media if a centre back comes on and has a nightmare first up like the Manchester City new signing.
We also need Unai to do a bit as well…if we end up with 3/4/5 youngsters on the bench he needs to be prepared to give them their head and not just for to the well with the same players every game.
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2025, 08:55:06 PM
Chelsea supporter view suggests Disasi is another Carlos. Last ditch merchant and poor on ball. Chelsea is a tough place to succeed so maybe he can calm down with us. I can't recall much of him against us.
Disasi and Foyth were hardly anywhere near the top of our prospective RCB options for last 6-12 months.
Chelsea supporters would say Paolo Maldini wasn't good enough for them. Never listen to Chelsea supporters.
I've one in my family, then again you could be right 👍
Post by: algy on January 27, 2025, 09:20:59 PM
We also need Unai to do a bit as well…if we end up with 3/4/5 youngsters on the bench he needs to be prepared to give them their head and not just for to the well with the same players every game.If it’s all consensual then fair enough, but I think I’d draw the line at making that mandatory.
Post by: Gareth on January 27, 2025, 09:31:39 PM
LolWe also need Unai to do a bit as well…if we end up with 3/4/5 youngsters on the bench he needs to be prepared to give them their head and not just for to the well with the same players every game.If it’s all consensual then fair enough, but I think I’d draw the line at making that mandatory.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 09:40:25 PM
Chelsea supporter view suggests Disasi is another Carlos. Last ditch merchant and poor on ball. Chelsea is a tough place to succeed so maybe he can calm down with us. I can't recall much of him against us.
Disasi and Foyth were hardly anywhere near the top of our prospective RCB options for last 6-12 months.
Chelsea supporters would say Paolo Maldini wasn't good enough for them. Never listen to Chelsea supporters.
I've one in my family, then again you could be right 👍
Does the football knowledge run in the family? If so, ignore them, they haven’t a clue.
Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 10:05:22 PM
@TheAthleticFC
#AVFC
Post by: BoVillan esq on January 27, 2025, 10:14:14 PM
LolWe also need Unai to do a bit as well…if we end up with 3/4/5 youngsters on the bench he needs to be prepared to give them their head and not just for to the well with the same players every game.If it’s all consensual then fair enough, but I think I’d draw the line at making that mandatory.
They've gotta start somewhere.
Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 10:23:25 PM
@FabrizioRomano
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2025, 10:29:11 PM
Chelsea supporter view suggests Disasi is another Carlos. Last ditch merchant and poor on ball. Chelsea is a tough place to succeed so maybe he can calm down with us. I can't recall much of him against us.
Disasi and Foyth were hardly anywhere near the top of our prospective RCB options for last 6-12 months.
Chelsea supporters would say Paolo Maldini wasn't good enough for them. Never listen to Chelsea supporters.
I've one in my family, then again you could be right 👍
Does the football knowledge run in the family? If so, ignore them, they haven’t a clue.
I know it hurts but eventually the pain will subside and Diego Carlos and his bucket of stats will eventually be in your rear view 👍
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2025, 10:34:02 PM
If we're taking expensive attackers from Chelsea's bench then Nkunku would fit our system much better than Felix I reckon.
It's a pity they belatedly realised Madueke was a top player.
Post by: AV84 on January 27, 2025, 10:34:43 PM
Aston Villa are set to recall Colombian defender Yeimar Mosquera from his loan at Real Union. 19yo is regarded as one for the future, having had relatively little first-team experience & is currently away with Colombia's U20s. Story
@TheAthleticFC
#AVFC
A 19 year old Colombian, what could possibly go wrong!?
In all seriousness though, is that saying he's had no first team experience with Real Union? So we're recalling him because the loan isn't in his best interests? Or are we recalling him in a panic at our lack of defensive opinions.
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2025, 10:37:51 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 27, 2025, 10:41:04 PM
Arsenal made a call in recent weeks to understand the situation of Jhon Durán — no offer was made.
@FabrizioRomano
This has to be Duran's agent touting him around and telling everyone what's happening
Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 10:41:54 PM
@D_pico_
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2025, 10:42:53 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 10:47:51 PM
Chelsea supporter view suggests Disasi is another Carlos. Last ditch merchant and poor on ball. Chelsea is a tough place to succeed so maybe he can calm down with us. I can't recall much of him against us.
Disasi and Foyth were hardly anywhere near the top of our prospective RCB options for last 6-12 months.
Chelsea supporters would say Paolo Maldini wasn't good enough for them. Never listen to Chelsea supporters.
I've one in my family, then again you could be right 👍
Does the football knowledge run in the family? If so, ignore them, they haven’t a clue.
I know it hurts but eventually the pain will subside and Diego Carlos and his bucket of stats will eventually be in your rear view 👍
Do you think by then you’ll have worked out what those numbers mean in the corner of the telly when football’s on? They're the stats you’re dismissing and they’re quite important, relatively speaking, as they use them to work out who gets however many points. If you work it out it will stop you from making the mistake of thinking that the team that concedes most goals actually wins.
I always thought football was a bit too complicated for someone barely literate who can’t tell the time.
You’re welcome.
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2025, 10:49:52 PM
Aston Villa’s offer for Juan Foyth depends on Axel Disasi.Hope the Foyth thing is a red herring , saw £30m quoted ! That can't be right surely
@D_pico_
Post by: AV84 on January 27, 2025, 10:50:26 PM
Aston Villa’s offer for Juan Foyth depends on Axel Disasi.
@D_pico_
What does that mean? We can't afford both? Or Fotyh is doing like the other guy and doesn't want to have competition for game time?
Post by: ozzjim on January 27, 2025, 10:51:16 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 27, 2025, 10:52:24 PM
Aston Villa’s offer for Juan Foyth depends on Axel Disasi.
@D_pico_
What does that mean? We can't afford both? Or Fotyh is doing like the other guy and doesn't want to have competition for game time?
It means we don’t need both, presumably
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 10:52:44 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Villa fans called Savo Missalotovic while he was scoring more goals in his first season in England than Bergkamp and Cantona. Know-nothing football fans love trying to pretend they’re funny.
Did scoring more goals in that season mean he was a better player than Bergkamp and Cantona?
🤣
It could be a bit much for someone who can’t tell the time, but could you explain this to me?
Still waiting.
I understand your reluctance. You can’t explain it without snitching on yourself.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 27, 2025, 10:59:08 PM
He's had his chance, twice. He's not coming here. We need a 10, for sure. But I just cannot see us signing Felix.
He was only on for a fairly short time yesterday, but I didn't think Malen looked like a wide player to be honest. I don't know if he'd been instructed to, but he kept drifting inside and wasn't really offering Cash an option when he had the ball.
Maybe he's more of a '10' and it's another wide player we need?
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2025, 11:04:36 PM
Chelsea supporter view suggests Disasi is another Carlos. Last ditch merchant and poor on ball. Chelsea is a tough place to succeed so maybe he can calm down with us. I can't recall much of him against us.
Disasi and Foyth were hardly anywhere near the top of our prospective RCB options for last 6-12 months.
Chelsea supporters would say Paolo Maldini wasn't good enough for them. Never listen to Chelsea supporters.
I've one in my family, then again you could be right 👍
Does the football knowledge run in the family? If so, ignore them, they haven’t a clue.
I know it hurts but eventually the pain will subside and Diego Carlos and his bucket of stats will eventually be in your rear view 👍
Do you think by then you’ll have worked out what those numbers mean in the corner of the telly when football’s on? They're the stats you’re dismissing and they’re quite important, relatively speaking, as they use them to work out who gets however many points. If you work it out it will stop you from making the mistake of thinking that the team that concedes most goals doesn’t actually win.
I always thought football was a bit too complicated for someone barely literate who can’t tell the time.
You’re welcome.
Take your time petal
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 11:10:19 PM
Chelsea supporter view suggests Disasi is another Carlos. Last ditch merchant and poor on ball. Chelsea is a tough place to succeed so maybe he can calm down with us. I can't recall much of him against us.
Disasi and Foyth were hardly anywhere near the top of our prospective RCB options for last 6-12 months.
Chelsea supporters would say Paolo Maldini wasn't good enough for them. Never listen to Chelsea supporters.
I've one in my family, then again you could be right 👍
Does the football knowledge run in the family? If so, ignore them, they haven’t a clue.
I know it hurts but eventually the pain will subside and Diego Carlos and his bucket of stats will eventually be in your rear view 👍
Do you think by then you’ll have worked out what those numbers mean in the corner of the telly when football’s on? They're the stats you’re dismissing and they’re quite important, relatively speaking, as they use them to work out who gets however many points. If you work it out it will stop you from making the mistake of thinking that the team that concedes most goals actually wins.
I always thought football was a bit too complicated for someone barely literate who can’t tell the time.
You’re welcome.
Take your time petal
Thick as a Boxing Day turd, and homophobic. Edgy.
I’ve got six kids and am married to a woman. Not that you’d be able to work it out from that of course.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2025, 11:12:26 PM
Chelsea fans call him Disaster Disasi.
Villa fans called Savo Missalotovic while he was scoring more goals in his first season in England than Bergkamp and Cantona. Know-nothing football fans love trying to pretend they’re funny.
Did scoring more goals in that season mean he was a better player than Bergkamp and Cantona?
🤣
It could be a bit much for someone who can’t tell the time, but could you explain this to me?
Still waiting.
I understand you reluctance. You can’t explain it without snitching on yourself.
Still no answer? Illuminating. I think it may have dawned on him.
All that time* explaining a simple concept to him, and it turns out he just doesn’t understand words.
It’s about time* funding issues for remedial English were addressed.
*sorry bb, no offence intended. I’m sure many struggle with telling the time in the digital age.
Post by: Tuscans on January 27, 2025, 11:27:18 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 28, 2025, 07:24:38 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 28, 2025, 08:22:33 AM
Foyth would be an odd signing. With his injury record, you'd think Villarreal would want him off their wage bill.
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 28, 2025, 08:51:39 AM
Can we cut out the point scoring and general sniping at each other, the "I'm cleverer than you" stuff and just keep it mildly on topic please. It is really not needed and gets very tiresome.Was going to comment on this particular issue, but it's not worth the effort, come on heroes and villains to get away from the real world, but it coming to the point where I sometimes can't be bothered with it
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2025, 09:17:02 AM
Post by: Smithy on January 28, 2025, 09:36:05 AM
With the Chelsea interest in Duran, and us wanting Disasi and Felix, I think the mechanics of that deal will be too difficult due to the Chelsea contract length thing, meaning their amortised value will be very high still, and there would need to be a huge fee for Duran to get round any way Villa could cover the difference. If we wanted both perm.
I'll be very surprised if we let Duran go this January. We have zero cover for Ollie if he goes. It might be a loan deal for Felix might pave the way for a permanent move/swap in the summer, but I can't see it now simply because of how short we'd be up front.
Post by: Dave on January 28, 2025, 09:37:52 AM
It might be a loan deal for Felix might pave the way for a permanent move/swap in the summer, but I can't see it now simply because of how short we'd be up front.
We can't loan both Disasi and Felix from them - and it sounds as though the Disasi one is happening.
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2025, 10:13:46 AM
Duran = Felix, Disasi and Nkunku
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 28, 2025, 10:18:11 AM
How about a swap.
Duran = Felix, Disasi and Nkunku
That would be a great deal - not sure if we have enough FFP headspace in the wages though.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 28, 2025, 10:24:30 AM
How about a swap.
Duran = Felix, Disasi and Nkunku
That would be a great deal - not sure if we have enough FFP headspace in the wages though.
It is but it’s heavily favoured towards Villa as well meaning that we value Duran north of £150m.
Post by: Matt C on January 28, 2025, 11:40:27 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2025, 11:49:15 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 28, 2025, 12:04:34 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2025, 12:10:47 PM
Just seen Leverkusen have agreed a loan deal for Mario Hermoso from Roma. We were linked with him before he moved to Italy in the summer. He’s a left sided centre half.
Yep, we have two of them, so no need for another.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 28, 2025, 12:12:40 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 28, 2025, 12:17:48 PM
Would it not be a good idea to buy a centre-half who can play on the left or the right?
Oh yeah, and let's have a striker that can take chances too. Come on mate, I know you're a communist, but some of your beliefs are unrealistic.
Post by: Bosco81 on January 28, 2025, 12:40:19 PM
Post by: algy on January 28, 2025, 12:41:17 PM
Missed a trick by not saying that it's a Disasi waiting to happen.It might be a loan deal for Felix might pave the way for a permanent move/swap in the summer, but I can't see it now simply because of how short we'd be up front.
We can't loan both Disasi and Felix from them - and it sounds as though the Disasi one is happening.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 28, 2025, 12:46:19 PM
Just seen Leverkusen have agreed a loan deal for Mario Hermoso from Roma. We were linked with him before he moved to Italy in the summer. He’s a left sided centre half.
Yep, we have two of them, so no need for another.
Yeah no problem with the current 2.
Edit. I think he might be right footed. Like Carlos was but used to play on the left for Seville.
Post by: Mister E on January 28, 2025, 12:57:07 PM
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Post by: olaftab on January 28, 2025, 01:09:08 PM
I think we should have a centre half who believes in God.Would it not be a good idea to buy a centre-half who can play on the left or the right?Oh yeah, and let's have a striker that can take chances too. Come on mate, I know you're a communist, but some of your beliefs are unrealistic.
Post by: robleflaneur on January 28, 2025, 01:14:58 PM
Bit disappointing after having one who was God.I think we should have a centre half who believes in God.Would it not be a good idea to buy a centre-half who can play on the left or the right?Oh yeah, and let's have a striker that can take chances too. Come on mate, I know you're a communist, but some of your beliefs are unrealistic.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 28, 2025, 03:00:43 PM
Can we cut out the point scoring and general sniping at each other, the "I'm cleverer than you" stuff and just keep it mildly on topic please. It is really not needed and gets very tiresome.Was going to comment on this particular issue, but it's not worth the effort, come on heroes and villains to get away from the real world, but it coming to the point where I sometimes can't be bothered with it
[/quoCan we cut out the point scoring and general sniping at each other, the "I'm cleverer than you" stuff and just keep it mildly on topic please. It is really not needed and gets very tiresome.Was going to comment on this particular issue, but it's not worth the effort, come on heroes and villains to get away from the real world, but it coming to the point where I sometimes can't be bothered with it
It has been mentioned a few times recently - the personal stuff really has become boring
Post by: eamonn on January 28, 2025, 03:35:22 PM
Foyth and Disasi both rumoured to be close. I hope the fee for Foyth is low. Ezri and Disasi can both play left side centre back, but I have a feeling if we do sign both, Foyth will be right back a lot in the run in.
Can Ezri Konsa play LCB? His left foot is mince.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 28, 2025, 03:45:18 PM
He played at left back for England during the summer.Foyth and Disasi both rumoured to be close. I hope the fee for Foyth is low. Ezri and Disasi can both play left side centre back, but I have a feeling if we do sign both, Foyth will be right back a lot in the run in.
Can Ezri Konsa play LCB? His left foot is mince.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 28, 2025, 03:51:45 PM
I like this. With God on our side anything is possible!I think we should have a centre half who believes in God.Would it not be a good idea to buy a centre-half who can play on the left or the right?Oh yeah, and let's have a striker that can take chances too. Come on mate, I know you're a communist, but some of your beliefs are unrealistic.
Though every player is precious to God be it a believer or not.
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2025, 03:58:22 PM
I like this. With God on our side anything is possible!I think we should have a centre half who believes in God.Would it not be a good idea to buy a centre-half who can play on the left or the right?Oh yeah, and let's have a striker that can take chances too. Come on mate, I know you're a communist, but some of your beliefs are unrealistic.
Though every player is precious to God be it a believer or not.
There's no such thing as 'God'. It's just a belief system that people use to prop up their brain. An excuse for shit that goes wrong. Therefore nothing can be precious to 'God'.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 28, 2025, 04:09:32 PM
Up there with fairies, leprechauns, Father Christmas and the Easter Bunny, albeit more pernicious and apparently harder for some people to grow out of.I like this. With God on our side anything is possible!I think we should have a centre half who believes in God.Would it not be a good idea to buy a centre-half who can play on the left or the right?Oh yeah, and let's have a striker that can take chances too. Come on mate, I know you're a communist, but some of your beliefs are unrealistic.
Though every player is precious to God be it a believer or not.
There's no such thing as 'God'. It's just a belief system that people use to prop up their brain. An excuse for shit that goes wrong. Therefore nothing can be precious to 'God'.
There's an excellent article in The Guardian website about how an outbreak of something that sounds like the plague in the 3rd century saved Christianity from obscurity.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 28, 2025, 04:10:24 PM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 28, 2025, 04:12:29 PM
Woah there! Who's chatting shit about the Easter Bunny?Chocolate log sir?
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 28, 2025, 04:14:14 PM
That is your personal opinion where I think totally the oppositeI like this. With God on our side anything is possible!I think we should have a centre half who believes in God.Would it not be a good idea to buy a centre-half who can play on the left or the right?Oh yeah, and let's have a striker that can take chances too. Come on mate, I know you're a communist, but some of your beliefs are unrealistic.
Though every player is precious to God be it a believer or not.
There's no such thing as 'God'. It's just a belief system that people use to prop up their brain. An excuse for shit that goes wrong. Therefore nothing can be precious to 'God'.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 28, 2025, 04:16:50 PM
That is your personal opinion where I think totally the oppositeI like this. With God on our side anything is possible!I think we should have a centre half who believes in God.Would it not be a good idea to buy a centre-half who can play on the left or the right?Oh yeah, and let's have a striker that can take chances too. Come on mate, I know you're a communist, but some of your beliefs are unrealistic.
Though every player is precious to God be it a believer or not.
There's no such thing as 'God'. It's just a belief system that people use to prop up their brain. An excuse for shit that goes wrong. Therefore nothing can be precious to 'God'.
You think people's brains are propping up their belief systems? I think you might be right.
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2025, 04:21:36 PM
That is your personal opinion where I think totally the oppositeI like this. With God on our side anything is possible!I think we should have a centre half who believes in God.Would it not be a good idea to buy a centre-half who can play on the left or the right?Oh yeah, and let's have a striker that can take chances too. Come on mate, I know you're a communist, but some of your beliefs are unrealistic.
Though every player is precious to God be it a believer or not.
There's no such thing as 'God'. It's just a belief system that people use to prop up their brain. An excuse for shit that goes wrong. Therefore nothing can be precious to 'God'.
Show me any shred of evidence that I'm wrong. There is none.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2025, 04:27:04 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 28, 2025, 04:29:59 PM
Let’s not go down this path on here. Off topic is the place for discussing divisive subjects like religion or politics.
There’s nothing more divisive than the subject of Digne at left centre half, perhaps he could be left centre of a back three?
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2025, 04:30:15 PM
Let’s not go down this path on here. Off topic is the place for discussing divisive subjects like religion or politics.
Oh no it's not! ;)
Fair play. This should be a secularist forum.
Post by: algy on January 28, 2025, 04:31:06 PM
Complete aside, but at least it’s not religion or politics … Tunnock’s Caramel Logs are the best confectionary and I’ll fight anyone who disagrees.Woah there! Who's chatting shit about the Easter Bunny?Chocolate log sir?
Edit: for the avoidance of doubt, I mean a keyboard-based fight. I couldn’t punch my way out of a wet paper bag, so I try to avoid actual fisticuffs
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2025, 04:33:28 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2025, 04:34:15 PM
Complete aside, but at least it’s not religion or politics … Tunnock’s Caramel Logs are the best confectionary and I’ll fight anyone who disagrees.Woah there! Who's chatting shit about the Easter Bunny?Chocolate log sir?
Edit: for the avoidance of doubt, I mean a keyboard-based fight. I couldn’t punch my way o it of a wet paper bag, so I try to avoid actual fisticuffs
You could put a Tunnocks Teacake on each hand before the fight.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2025, 04:34:58 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 28, 2025, 04:44:28 PM
That is your personal opinion where I think totally the oppositeI like this. With God on our side anything is possible!I think we should have a centre half who believes in God.Would it not be a good idea to buy a centre-half who can play on the left or the right?Oh yeah, and let's have a striker that can take chances too. Come on mate, I know you're a communist, but some of your beliefs are unrealistic.
Though every player is precious to God be it a believer or not.
There's no such thing as 'God'. It's just a belief system that people use to prop up their brain. An excuse for shit that goes wrong. Therefore nothing can be precious to 'God'.
Show me any shred of evidence that I'm wrong. There is none.
You can just as easily sat that there is zero evidence to suggest God does not exist. You can't prove love exists either, but belief in it is almost universal. Some things require faith to believe in not proof.
I don't agree that Christianity uses God as an 'excuse for things that go wrong' though I can't claim that no religions do.
More to the point I don't understand why you get so animated about someone else believing in god, or what on earth it has to do with the transfer thread.
Back on topic - I think Felix plus 40m and Disasi for Duran would be OK business. I have a sneaky feeling that we will end up signing Jonathon David on a free in the summer as competition for Watkins.
Not sure Foyth is what we need though, we seem well stocked for right backs now.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 28, 2025, 04:44:53 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 28, 2025, 04:45:25 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 28, 2025, 04:46:07 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 28, 2025, 04:54:31 PM
And he wonders why they won't give him a Nobel prize..... yet!
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 28, 2025, 04:56:56 PM
Did you know:
A player can be inspired by God which helps him or her . That is only a good thing.
That is all I would say without drawing this debate out
Let's peacefully enjoy that knowledge that some of our players gain strength from God.
Post by: Monty on January 28, 2025, 04:57:54 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 28, 2025, 04:58:30 PM
Personally God was mentioned so that's why I added to discussion.
Did you know:
A player can be inspired by God which helps him or her . That is only a good thing.
That is all I would say without drawing this debate out
Let's peacefully enjoy that knowledge that some of our players gain strength from God.
Yeah, a player can also hide his belief in God to refuse to get behind campaigns to end discrimination.
Rejoice!
Post by: Monty on January 28, 2025, 04:58:55 PM
Personally God was mentioned so that's why I added to discussion.
Did you know:
A player can be inspired by God which helps him or her . That is only a good thing.
That is all I would say without drawing this debate out
Let's peacefully enjoy that knowledge that some of our players gain strength from God.
Why must I pay it any mind at all?
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 28, 2025, 05:01:06 PM
Personally God was mentioned so that's why I added to discussion.
Did you know:
A player can be inspired by God which helps him or her . That is only a good thing.
That is all I would say without drawing this debate out
Let's peacefully enjoy that knowledge that some of our players gain strength from God.
Why has God helped Man City so much recently though? Or is Allah just better at helping footballers? Is that the real reason why they’ve been so good since the Abu Dhabi takeover?
Post by: caster troy on January 28, 2025, 05:21:59 PM
It's definitely not ideal that Felix has been unsettled for so long but if he is Emery's dream signing I am not going to argue with him.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 28, 2025, 05:31:45 PM
If anyone can Emery can with Felix . Unai has the coaching ability to be able to motivate him you suspect JF would thrive given the creative licence.
Unai has about 14 first team players he needs to fix before he can even start thinking about bringing in new problems.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 28, 2025, 05:39:47 PM
For those familiar Nobel Prize play wright Pinter and Aston Villa. Where Gus goes to see the Villa.And he wonders why they won't give him a Nobel prize..... yet!
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 28, 2025, 06:16:48 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 28, 2025, 06:29:59 PM
Neymar wouldn't fit under Unai regime here at Villa. At PSG Emery had to adapt when the Brazilian arrived.
"It was obvious. I couldn’t be the same coach with and without Neymar in every club, you have to know what your role is and what role you have vis-a-vis the rest of the group.
I am of the opinion that PSG’s leader is Neymar"
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2025, 06:49:01 PM
Post by: ventnorVillain on January 28, 2025, 07:16:10 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 28, 2025, 07:16:48 PM
His need for control and being in charge.
Douglas Luiz said they use to argue
Jhon Duran says they argue
Other players have said it's headmaster vibes
And when Mister enters the room for meetings and on training field they pay attention or everyone will go quiet because Unai is here.
One thing that's certain is Emery is a high standard professional and is the boss.
He will demand the same attention to detail from his players that he has.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 28, 2025, 07:17:39 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 28, 2025, 07:20:27 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 28, 2025, 07:22:16 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 28, 2025, 07:26:35 PM
If Duran were to leave then this would be a good buy in. Good buy in regardless
French forward 19 and world at his feet Tel has superstar potential for me and would be good fit here .
Remember that name. He's quality player.
Post by: brontebilly on January 28, 2025, 07:30:53 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 28, 2025, 07:31:43 PM
Let’s not go down this path on here. Off topic is the place for discussing divisive subjects like religion, politics or our best back 4.FTFY
Post by: Beard82 on January 28, 2025, 07:33:05 PM
I have no quarrel with Tunnock's, but the Tea Cake shits all over the Caramel Log. I can't even believe they're sisters.Both are shit compared to a jammy wagon wheel
Post by: BoVillan esq on January 28, 2025, 07:33:59 PM
Emery's got a boner for Felix and I think he could make it happen - just hoefully it's not at the expense of Duran. I'd rather we shipped Bailey and another out if we had to
I think so, I'm convinced they've shared more than just the odd bar of soap.
Post by: BoVillan esq on January 28, 2025, 07:37:52 PM
Would prefer Grealish returning than Felix. Felix had that one season as a kid with Benfica and has flattered to deceive ever since.
Both please, in seriousness I think Felix would be excellent based purely on the fact that he is Emry's blue eyed boy and he will get the very best from him, which could be considerable, as for Jack, he's fallen way out of favour at Man City, he's at that age now, he may feel he has a few points to prove and most of all no question he is Villa.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 28, 2025, 07:38:39 PM
I can just imagine him loping around half-heartedly.
Didn't want to come before, fuck him, you don't get endless chances.
Post by: jwarry on January 28, 2025, 07:43:32 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 28, 2025, 07:44:04 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 28, 2025, 07:46:45 PM
We're not getting a top players thats not damaged. I would much rather a loan - which I appericate we cant do if we also take the CB on loan - and worried that well end up losing Duran as part of this in part of some stupid PPF deal. Whereby everyone is valued at a billon pounds and we all end up worse off.
We really need to help Unai by actually signing some players that strengthen our squad - I am still convinced our squad is weaker than last years.
If he goes - I would much rather it wasn't to another club in the PL.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2025, 07:49:28 PM
It's a no for me on Felix.
I can just imagine him loping around half-heartedly.
Didn't want to come before, fuck him, you don't get endless chances.
Yep it screams would be here under duress
Post by: Gareth on January 28, 2025, 07:49:51 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 28, 2025, 07:52:09 PM
Post by: BoVillan esq on January 28, 2025, 07:54:41 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 28, 2025, 07:55:28 PM
It's a no for me on Felix.
I can just imagine him loping around half-heartedly.
Didn't want to come before, fuck him, you don't get endless chances.
Yep it screams would be here under duress
Yeah, I wouldn't want him either, particularly if not a loan. It's just not a financial risk that is worth taking.
Post by: paul_e on January 28, 2025, 07:59:30 PM
Personally God was mentioned so that's why I added to discussion.
Did you know:
A player can be inspired by God which helps him or her . That is only a good thing.
That is all I would say without drawing this debate out
Let's peacefully enjoy that knowledge that some of our players gain strength from God.
Why has God helped Man City so much recently though? Or is Allah just better at helping footballers? Is that the real reason why they’ve been so good since the Abu Dhabi takeover?
Slightly off topic but this actually works as the best answer to why the rebuttal from Ashtonvilla isn't great.
As an atheist/agnostic all you need to do is show that there is no evidence that a god has to exist. As a follower of any religion you not only have to prove that a god (or gods) exist, but also that you've backed the right horse.
That's why 'prove there isn't a god' is a weak argument, I don't need to, I just need to prove that the evidence you cite applies to lots of other religions for you to be wrong.
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 28, 2025, 08:16:37 PM
It wasn't a rebuttal, just stating that I believe in God,if people don't believe I am happy with that but will put in a good word for those that don't when the time comes,Personally God was mentioned so that's why I added to discussion.
Did you know:
A player can be inspired by God which helps him or her . That is only a good thing.
That is all I would say without drawing this debate out
Let's peacefully enjoy that knowledge that some of our players gain strength from God.
Why has God helped Man City so much recently though? Or is Allah just better at helping footballers? Is that the real reason why they’ve been so good since the Abu Dhabi takeover?
Slightly off topic but this actually works as the best answer to why the rebuttal from Ashtonvilla isn't great.
As an atheist/agnostic all you need to do is show that there is no evidence that a god has to exist. As a follower of any religion you not only have to prove that a god (or gods) exist, but also that you've backed the right horse.
That's why 'prove there isn't a god' is a weak argument, I don't need to, I just need to prove that the evidence you cite applies to lots of other religions for you to be wrong.
Post by: Richard E on January 28, 2025, 08:18:34 PM
Post by: Richard E on January 28, 2025, 08:28:48 PM
It's a no for me on Felix.
I can just imagine him loping around half-heartedly.
Didn't want to come before, fuck him, you don't get endless chances.
Agreed. I don’t expect players to be head over heels in love with Aston Villa and crawl on broken glass to sign for us, but turning us down is a big red flag.
Although on the other hand my missus did turn me down the first time and we’ve been together 26 years now…
Post by: Tuscans on January 28, 2025, 08:35:10 PM
@SkySportsLyall
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2025, 08:36:18 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 28, 2025, 08:37:55 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2025, 08:40:05 PM
Post by: john2710 on January 28, 2025, 08:45:53 PM
Buendia isn't good enough to play as a No:10 & Rogers is, understandably, inconsistent. So much of our threat goes through that position that it's crucial we get it right.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2025, 08:46:48 PM
Post by: villadelph on January 28, 2025, 09:23:21 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 28, 2025, 09:24:25 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 28, 2025, 09:27:41 PM
Personally God was mentioned so that's why I added to discussion.
Did you know:
A player can be inspired by God which helps him or her . That is only a good thing.
That is all I would say without drawing this debate out
Let's peacefully enjoy that knowledge that some of our players gain strength from God.
Why has God helped Man City so much recently though? Or is Allah just better at helping footballers? Is that the real reason why they’ve been so good since the Abu Dhabi takeover?
Slightly off topic but this actually works as the best answer to why the rebuttal from Ashtonvilla isn't great.
As an atheist/agnostic all you need to do is show that there is no evidence that a god has to exist. As a follower of any religion you not only have to prove that a god (or gods) exist, but also that you've backed the right horse.
That's why 'prove there isn't a god' is a weak argument, I don't need to, I just need to prove that the evidence you cite applies to lots of other religions for you to be wrong.
That wasn't the frame of reference. All you have to prove for what? All I have to prove for what? I am not interested in convincing you to believe, and I am not claiming I can prove anything. I only make the point that absence of evidence is not proof of something not existing, and atheists can be a tad sanctimonious in not recognising this.
We can't see infrared, and only know it exists now due to science. However it was still real before it was discovered. Humans are limited. The world is full of things that could not have been known in the past but have been revealed to be fact now.
The only reason I commented at all was because someone that does believe got jumped on and lampooned. They were not trying to convince anyone of anything, just putting their belief out there. I am a Christian but would have defended a Muslim, Buddhist or other religious believer too.
Regards Felix not coming in the summer, I don't think he snubbed us. Wasn't it more the case we were not able to make an offer due to FFP.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 28, 2025, 09:29:51 PM
Aston Villa’s move for Juan Foyth is not currently progressing & looks unlikely as things stand.Could say it's the Foythste Saga.
@SkySportsLyall
A play on words of the novels of the Forsyte Saga.
The saga chronicles the lives of three generations of a large, upper middle-class family at the turn of the century
Post by: john e on January 28, 2025, 09:31:52 PM
As for Disasi most would drive him here themselves
Same way as people will look at our comments on Durán, Carlos, Buendia and make assumptions as to what they’ll be getting if these things happen
Post by: lovejoy on January 28, 2025, 09:32:46 PM
Post by: Astnor on January 28, 2025, 09:36:11 PM
:oAston Villa’s move for Juan Foyth is not currently progressing & looks unlikely as things stand.Could say it's the Foythste Saga.
@SkySportsLyall
A play on words of the novels of the Forsyte Saga.
The saga chronicles the lives of three generations of a large, upper middle-class family at the turn of the century
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2025, 09:38:52 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 28, 2025, 09:40:21 PM
I may be wrong here, but us there any hard evidence he turned us down for Chelsea in the summer, or did he just take only only firm offer on the table for him to get out of Madrid?
This was my understanding of it. Gallagher also went the other way, didn't he? So possible there was some kind of agreement there that made it easier for him to get the move done. I do belive he just wanted out and Chelsea were the only team that could afford to do it.
I think too there was something about us wanting him but whatever deal was supposed to make it financially possible didn't happen so we never even made a bid. Not sure if it was Duran to West Ham, maybe?
Post by: Astnor on January 28, 2025, 09:42:47 PM
£60m is nowhere near enough for Duran. I just don't believe we'll sell at that price which is what the Saudi team are reportedly offering. Gets to £75m I think he's gone though, with Disasi, Felix and probably the young Besiltas striker being bought in.I woudnt be against changing things around with multiple moves, we are not exactly clicking as a team last series of games.
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 28, 2025, 09:45:46 PM
Astonvilla, thought he meant me,thank God I got it wrong,oh no what have I saidPersonally God was mentioned so that's why I added to discussion.
Did you know:
A player can be inspired by God which helps him or her . That is only a good thing.
That is all I would say without drawing this debate out
Let's peacefully enjoy that knowledge that some of our players gain strength from God.
Why has God helped Man City so much recently though? Or is Allah just better at helping footballers? Is that the real reason why they’ve been so good since the Abu Dhabi takeover?
Slightly off topic but this actually works as the best answer to why the rebuttal from Ashtonvilla isn't great.
As an atheist/agnostic all you need to do is show that there is no evidence that a god has to exist. As a follower of any religion you not only have to prove that a god (or gods) exist, but also that you've backed the right horse.
That's why 'prove there isn't a god' is a weak argument, I don't need to, I just need to prove that the evidence you cite applies to lots of other religions for you to be wrong.
That wasn't the frame of reference. All you have to prove for what? All I have to prove for what? I am not interested in convincing you to believe, and I am not claiming I can prove anything. I only make the point that absence of evidence is not proof of something not existing, and atheists can be a tad sanctimonious in not recognising this.
We can't see infrared, and only know it exists now due to science. However it was still real before it was discovered. Humans are limited. The world is full of things that could not have been known in the past but have been revealed to be fact now.
The only reason I commented at all was because someone that does believe got jumped on and lampooned. They were not trying to convince anyone of anything, just putting their belief out there. I am a Christian but would have defended a Muslim, Buddhist or other religious believer too.
Regards Felix not coming in the summer, I don't think he snubbed us. Wasn't it more the case we were not able to make an offer due to FFP.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 28, 2025, 10:00:10 PM
Just looking at X and seeing that 90% of Chelsea fans want Felix to stay and rate him but don’t think he’s been given the minutes
As for Disasi most would drive him here themselves
Same way as people will look at our comments on Durán, Carlos, Buendia and make assumptions as to what they’ll be getting if these things happen
When Ive watched Felix this season , I kept hoping he would have a mare but must admit at times he has looked good.
Post by: VillaTim on January 28, 2025, 10:00:19 PM
As for Duran I thought we'd said it's £100m minimum.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 28, 2025, 10:07:31 PM
Not sure about Felix at all , reminds me of the Coutinho saga plus we just got rid of Buendia who also seems a very similar player .
As for Duran I thought we'd said it's £100m minimum.
Buendia needs replacing , Id love Beana but Felix is only 25 isnt he ?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 28, 2025, 10:12:57 PM
That might reduce if he’s been a pain in the arse again this window.
Post by: Drummond on January 28, 2025, 10:14:53 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 28, 2025, 10:32:43 PM
That wasn't the frame of reference. All you have to prove for what? All I have to prove for what? I am not interested in convincing you to believe, and I am not claiming I can prove anything. I only make the point that absence of evidence is not proof of something not existing, and atheists can be a tad sanctimonious in not recognising this.
We can't see infrared, and only know it exists now due to science. However it was still real before it was discovered. Humans are limited. The world is full of things that could not have been known in the past but have been revealed to be fact now.
The only reason I commented at all was because someone that does believe got jumped on and lampooned. They were not trying to convince anyone of anything, just putting their belief out there. I am a Christian but would have defended a Muslim, Buddhist or other religious believer too.
Regards Felix not coming in the summer, I don't think he snubbed us. Wasn't it more the case we were not able to make an offer due to FFP.
There is no frame of reference needed for your first line:
You can just as easily sat that there is zero evidence to suggest God does not exist. You can't prove love exists either, but belief in it is almost universal. Some things require faith to believe in not proof.
For someone who claims to be so smart it's strange that you led with a complete logical fallacy. Proving the existence of a god (non-denominational at this point) is comparatively easy, you just need 1 miracle that can't be explained in any other way. Proving he doesn't exist is impossible by all practical means so no, you can't use that argument. Therefore, as I said, the only even remotely comparable argument is for a believer to not only prove a god exists but also to have irrefutable proof that it's the exact one they believe in.
Even then it's something that should be possible, if it's true.
As for the rest, millions of people haven't been killed. tortured and demonised over an argument about whether infrared exists.
Having belief is fine, but when you use that to do horrific things in the name of a supposedly omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient god thne people that don't agree with you might have something to say about it.
Or are you just angling for a nobel prize in christian apologetics?
Post by: Ian. on January 28, 2025, 10:57:43 PM
Would prefer Grealish returning than Felix. Felix had that one season as a kid with Benfica and has flattered to deceive ever since.
I think I’d rather have Grealish over Felix, but then is Grealish any good now?
Post by: tomd2103 on January 28, 2025, 11:02:23 PM
Not sure about Felix at all , reminds me of the Coutinho saga plus we just got rid of Buendia who also seems a very similar player .
As for Duran I thought we'd said it's £100m minimum.
Buendia needs replacing , Id love Beana but Felix is only 25 isnt he ?
Not sure Buendia does need replacing really. We've got Rogers, McGinn, Tielemans, Malen and Ramsey at a push who can play in that 'number 10'. I would prefer us to address the right side if we are going to bring another attacking player in.
Post by: brontebilly on January 28, 2025, 11:14:56 PM
Can anyone explain what Felix has done to even be considered for a move? Not even sure why it’s being discussed- the club haven’t mentioned it have they?
His agent is Jorge Mendez, I think that probably answers it. He has or had a few clubs in his pocket. He's blown it at Athletico, Chelsea twice, Barca didn't go back for him. All on the back of one breakout season at Benfica as a kid.
It's the kind of signing Man United would make.
Post by: AV84 on January 28, 2025, 11:16:44 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 28, 2025, 11:19:02 PM
What's happening with Moreno at Forest. I don't watch them much but anytime I've checked, he doesn't seem to be playing much. Are we likely to bring him back in the summer? Is there a buy option/obligation in the loan deal?It will be a miracle if he returned
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 28, 2025, 11:38:41 PM
That wasn't the frame of reference. All you have to prove for what? All I have to prove for what? I am not interested in convincing you to believe, and I am not claiming I can prove anything. I only make the point that absence of evidence is not proof of something not existing, and atheists can be a tad sanctimonious in not recognising this.
We can't see infrared, and only know it exists now due to science. However it was still real before it was discovered. Humans are limited. The world is full of things that could not have been known in the past but have been revealed to be fact now.
The only reason I commented at all was because someone that does believe got jumped on and lampooned. They were not trying to convince anyone of anything, just putting their belief out there. I am a Christian but would have defended a Muslim, Buddhist or other religious believer too.
Regards Felix not coming in the summer, I don't think he snubbed us. Wasn't it more the case we were not able to make an offer due to FFP.
There is no frame of reference needed for your first line:You can just as easily sat that there is zero evidence to suggest God does not exist. You can't prove love exists either, but belief in it is almost universal. Some things require faith to believe in not proof.
For someone who claims to be so smart it's strange that you led with a complete logical fallacy. Proving the existence of a god (non-denominational at this point) is comparatively easy, you just need 1 miracle that can't be explained in any other way. Proving he doesn't exist is impossible by all practical means so no, you can't use that argument. Therefore, as I said, the only even remotely comparable argument is for a believer to not only prove a god exists but also to have irrefutable proof that it's the exact one they believe in.
Even then it's something that should be possible, if it's true.
As for the rest, millions of people haven't been killed. tortured and demonised over an argument about whether infrared exists.
Having belief is fine, but when you use that to do horrific things in the name of a supposedly omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient god thne people that don't agree with you might have something to say about it.
Or are you just angling for a nobel prize in christian apologetics?
Where have I or anyone else in the discussion here tried to justify any 'horrific things'? The only demonising in the thread was of the poster that had the temerity to say they believed in God. The teachings of Jesus are totally incompatible with killing and torture.
I have no designs on winning anything for theology, it is well outside my area of expertise!
I am done discussing it here now, I am sure everyone is bored with the off topic stuff on the thread.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 28, 2025, 11:56:28 PM
I have no designs on winning anything for theology, it is well outside my area of expertise!
Wow, that's a pretty startling outbreak of modesty from you, Oh Giver of Food.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 29, 2025, 12:11:42 AM
I have no designs on winning anything for theology, it is well outside my area of expertise!
Wow, that's a pretty startling outbreak of modesty from you, Oh Giver of Food.
He’s gonna recreate Jesus’s feeding the five thousand trick with loaves and fish and run round the bull ring with the Nobel cup. You won’t be laughing then.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 29, 2025, 12:12:30 AM
Post by: Eckybloke on January 29, 2025, 01:17:25 AM
I have no quarrel with Tunnock's, but the Tea Cake shits all over the Caramel Log. I can't even believe they're sisters.
Oh jeezo…
1) Snowball
2) Caramel log
3) Caramel wafer
4) Teacake
Post by: danno on January 29, 2025, 01:18:22 AM
Can anyone explain what Felix has done to even be considered for a move? Not even sure why it’s being discussed- the club haven’t mentioned it have they?
His agent is Jorge Mendez, I think that probably answers it. He has or had a few clubs in his pocket. He's blown it at Athletico, Chelsea twice, Barca didn't go back for him. All on the back of one breakout season at Benfica as a kid.
It's the kind of signing Man United would make.
All those failed moves and he still lands on his feet, makes you wonder how many lives he has left.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2025, 07:01:46 AM
Post by: Mister E on January 29, 2025, 07:23:55 AM
If Emery wants him Emry should have him, if that is what the boss thinks he can use to unlock this season, get him now, would anybody argue the point that we all know the one thing Emry is world class at and that's getting the best out of a player that others have failed to do, he's been after him ever since he's been at Villa park, we have to have faith in his demands and needs for his plan, get him in.No.
I've seen nothing to suggest that Felix would play in a way that complements the Emery approach. If Duran has to go, I'd look at bringing in Nkunku.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 29, 2025, 08:00:23 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2025, 08:15:34 AM
Post by: Bosco81 on January 29, 2025, 08:20:18 AM
What's happening with Moreno at Forest. I don't watch them much but anytime I've checked, he doesn't seem to be playing much. Are we likely to bring him back in the summer? Is there a buy option/obligation in the loan deal?He lost his place around the time he couldn’t play against us, and Nico Williams has done well for
them in that time, so he has to wait on the bench I guess.
Post by: Bosco81 on January 29, 2025, 08:21:53 AM
Nkunku is a brilliant player who just hasn’t got off and running there.Where do you reckon Nkunku best position is ?
Post by: jwarry on January 29, 2025, 08:37:20 AM
🟣🔵 Aston Villa have been in touch with Chelsea yesterday and will be again today for both João Félix and Axel Disasi.
Disasi only wants Villa, Félix deal depends on what Chelsea decide to do.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2025, 09:13:10 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 29, 2025, 09:22:59 AM
Felix isnt a striker though. If ollie gets injured whi plays up front?
Malen, Rogers or Felix. Think Malen played there for PSV but the other two would be stop gaps.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 29, 2025, 09:25:23 AM
Felix isnt a striker though. If ollie gets injured whi plays up front?
The club has gambled like that a few times, with varying luck. Wouldn’t surprise me to see us risk it. I guess you would see Malen, Rogers or Felix used as a striker with a shift in tactics. Possibly also a youth player getting some game time too.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 29, 2025, 09:29:07 AM
There's obviously a player in there 'somewhere', just a question of whether he will ever venture out!
Post by: jwarry on January 29, 2025, 09:34:33 AM
Post by: Smithy on January 29, 2025, 09:34:56 AM
Given Chelsea paid £45m for him, and he's now potentially being disposed of, there is the potential to get him "on the cheap" - though it's all relative. He was, after all, a £100m player before Grealish was, and he's still only 25.
If Unai thinks he can get a tune out of him, then I'm all for it, simply because we know the talent is there - it's just whether Unai can find a way to unleash it properly.
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2025, 09:50:51 AM
If Unai thinks he can get a tune out of him, then I'm all for it, simply because we know the talent is there - it's just whether Unai can find a way to unleash it properly.
I'd also throw into the above, that Emery does seem to be a proper forward-whisperer. Not just with Villa - getting Bailey, Watkins, Duran and Rogers to levels that they could only dream of before, but also beforehand.
At Villarreal, the one season he had with Danjuma he became one of the best wingers in Europe. As soon as he has no Emery to help him, he's plodding around Spurs and Everton reserves. He turned (the solid, unspectacular) Gerard Moreno, Kevin Gameiro and Carlos Bacca into 30 goal-a-season strikers, something they'd never done before or since at that level.
He just seems to do something to forwards and if he reckons that he can harness that with Felix, I'm quite interested to see how.
And yes, I accept it would be nice if he did it again to Bailey.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 29, 2025, 09:56:03 AM
If it works it could move us on towards another level.
Post by: Rigadon on January 29, 2025, 09:58:13 AM
It looks like Emery wants him, we are not in a position to go and buy a £60 -80 million player so we have to find opportunities to bring that type of talent in without the outlay.
If it works it could move us on towards another level.
That's certainly the hope and best case scenario. Would be shite seeing Duran play for Chelsea though if that's the way we had to do things.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 29, 2025, 10:12:03 AM
Until he gets dazzled by the bright lights of London and does something really stupid I suppose.It looks like Emery wants him, we are not in a position to go and buy a £60 -80 million player so we have to find opportunities to bring that type of talent in without the outlay.
If it works it could move us on towards another level.
That's certainly the hope and best case scenario. Would be shite seeing Duran play for Chelsea though if that's the way we had to do things.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 29, 2025, 10:14:02 AM
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2025, 10:18:25 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 29, 2025, 10:24:55 AM
He's actually world class ability. I've always thought he was a special player.
We all remember Grealish at Villa but I always thought João Félix is enhanced version of him and is of a next level. They have same skillset and style but Felix is quicker on and off the ball and how he can glide past people and he can score and create goals.
Clearly if Emery wants him in our set up and makes sure he's of the right mind set then I tells you we are going to have a special player on our hands.
It could be very exciting indeed.
Watkins with Felix is mouthwatering
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 29, 2025, 10:33:59 AM
It’s a risk but the upside is massive. Worst case we lose £40m and stand still as I’d speculate that a bad Felix would have comparable output to Buendia.
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2025, 10:38:00 AM
Monchi seems to have his little projects that he wants to sign wherever he goes (Olsen / Zaniolo), are we completely sure that Felix isn't another of those, and Emery doesn't really care one way or the other?
Post by: OCD on January 29, 2025, 10:42:42 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 29, 2025, 10:42:56 AM
I know I shouldn't want Felix, but the kind of player he is tickles my weakest spot.
I think he's the only player that played elsewhere that I can think of that Emery has specifically referenced in regards to bringing him in.
It makes me think also that he really wanted Coutinho to work but obviously his body wasn't up to it.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 29, 2025, 11:20:30 AM
I don’t think a manager has played Felix in his best position since Benfica. Emery’s system always has one player in that pocket of space where Felix could thrive, often two.
It’s a risk but the upside is massive. Worst case we lose £40m and stand still as I’d speculate that a bad Felix would have comparable output to Buendia.
When things aren't working for him, I'd question if he has the bite that Buendia has? At least Buendia isn't afraid of putting a foot in.... Felix doesn't look like he's capable of that - Very much a luxury player.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 29, 2025, 11:33:04 AM
That's how good he is under the right circumstances
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 29, 2025, 11:34:40 AM
Post by: Smoke on January 29, 2025, 11:41:51 AM
Someone's forgotten Nicklas Helenius.
It still gets me Angry that he literally had his shorts pulled down by a spurs defender in the box and didn't get a penalty.
Post by: eamonn on January 29, 2025, 11:46:24 AM
If Unai thinks he can get a tune out of him, then I'm all for it, simply because we know the talent is there - it's just whether Unai can find a way to unleash it properly.
I'd also throw into the above, that Emery does seem to be a proper forward-whisperer. Not just with Villa - getting Bailey, Watkins, Duran and Rogers to levels that they could only dream of before, but also beforehand.
At Villarreal, the one season he had with Danjuma he became one of the best wingers in Europe. As soon as he has no Emery to help him, he's plodding around Spurs and Everton reserves. He turned (the solid, unspectacular) Gerard Moreno, Kevin Gameiro and Carlos Bacca into 30 goal-a-season strikers, something they'd never done before or since at that level.
He just seems to do something to forwards and if he reckons that he can harness that with Felix, I'm quite interested to see how.
And yes, I accept it would be nice if he did it again to Bailey.
Great post.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on January 29, 2025, 11:51:30 AM
Felix is undoubtedly talented, and the only reason it hasn't worked out at Chelsea is because Cole Palmer has proven to be SO good. They play in the same position, and right now, Felix knows he's second choice.
The worst that can happen if Felix signs is Rogers steps up and fights for the 10 shirt. Could possibly become better than Palmer as he has a strong physique and quicker. Bunedia had a good spell around when Couthino joined. Watch Cash improve if he has elite competition for the RB role.
Post by: Drummond on January 29, 2025, 11:59:42 AM
Felix is undoubtedly talented, and the only reason it hasn't worked out at Chelsea is because Cole Palmer has proven to be SO good. They play in the same position, and right now, Felix knows he's second choice.
The worst that can happen if Felix signs is Rogers steps up and fights for the 10 shirt. Could possibly become better than Palmer as he has a strong physique and quicker. Bunedia had a good spell around when Couthino joined. Watch Cash improve if he has elite competition for the RB role.
I can see us playing both in this sort of set-up
Kamara/Bogarde and Onana/Barkley
Malen/Bailey Felix/Tielemans Rogers/Ramsey
Watkins/Duran
There are a number of interchangeable players in there too. And it's definitely going to be Watkins first choice up front.
Post by: Matt C on January 29, 2025, 12:19:10 PM
One thing - how sure are we that Joao Felix is the object of Emery's desires?
Monchi seems to have his little projects that he wants to sign wherever he goes (Olsen / Zaniolo), are we completely sure that Felix isn't another of those, and Emery doesn't really care one way or the other?
Some pretty telling quotes in this article Dave (not to say Monchi isn’t an instigator also)
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5655107/2024/07/25/aston-villa-joao-felix-transfer/
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 29, 2025, 12:19:55 PM
Someone's forgotten Nicklas Helenius.
It still gets me Angry that he literally had his shorts pulled down by a spurs defender in the box and didn't get a penalty.
Yeah, contender for worst decision I've ever seen.
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2025, 12:22:23 PM
Felix is undoubtedly talented, and the only reason it hasn't worked out at Chelsea is because Cole Palmer has proven to be SO good. They play in the same position, and right now, Felix knows he's second choice.
The worst that can happen if Felix signs is Rogers steps up and fights for the 10 shirt. Could possibly become better than Palmer as he has a strong physique and quicker. Bunedia had a good spell around when Couthino joined. Watch Cash improve if he has elite competition for the RB role.
I can see us playing both in this sort of set-up
Kamara/Bogarde and Onana/Barkley
Malen/Bailey Felix/Tielemans Rogers/Ramsey
Watkins/Duran
There are a number of interchangeable players in there too. And it's definitely going to be Watkins first choice up front.
McGinn?
Also I think having players in only 1 spot isn't how Emery sees things. Of those players I reckon the only 2 he sees as being 'fixed' are Kamara and Watkins as his 6 and 9. Everyone else covers 2-3 positions and will be picked to fit the tactic he wants to use.
Obviosuly if Felix is in it also makes the chances of Duran being there much lower as I don't see is having both.
Post by: Drummond on January 29, 2025, 12:28:28 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 29, 2025, 12:29:43 PM
Someone's forgotten Nicklas Helenius.
It still gets me Angry that he literally had his shorts pulled down by a spurs defender in the box and didn't get a penalty.
I know, a shirt pull is a yellow card so pulling someones pants down isnt far from sexual assault :) Pen and Red def
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 29, 2025, 12:48:44 PM
Nicolas JacksonIf Unai thinks he can get a tune out of him, then I'm all for it, simply because we know the talent is there - it's just whether Unai can find a way to unleash it properly.
I'd also throw into the above, that Emery does seem to be a proper forward-whisperer. Not just with Villa - getting Bailey, Watkins, Duran and Rogers to levels that they could only dream of before, but also beforehand.
At Villarreal, the one season he had with Danjuma he became one of the best wingers in Europe. As soon as he has no Emery to help him, he's plodding around Spurs and Everton reserves. He turned (the solid, unspectacular) Gerard Moreno, Kevin Gameiro and Carlos Bacca into 30 goal-a-season strikers, something they'd never done before or since at that level.
He just seems to do something to forwards and if he reckons that he can harness that with Felix, I'm quite interested to see how.
And yes, I accept it would be nice if he did it again to Bailey.
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2025, 12:51:19 PM
Nicolas JacksonIf Unai thinks he can get a tune out of him, then I'm all for it, simply because we know the talent is there - it's just whether Unai can find a way to unleash it properly.
I'd also throw into the above, that Emery does seem to be a proper forward-whisperer. Not just with Villa - getting Bailey, Watkins, Duran and Rogers to levels that they could only dream of before, but also beforehand.
At Villarreal, the one season he had with Danjuma he became one of the best wingers in Europe. As soon as he has no Emery to help him, he's plodding around Spurs and Everton reserves. He turned (the solid, unspectacular) Gerard Moreno, Kevin Gameiro and Carlos Bacca into 30 goal-a-season strikers, something they'd never done before or since at that level.
He just seems to do something to forwards and if he reckons that he can harness that with Felix, I'm quite interested to see how.
And yes, I accept it would be nice if he did it again to Bailey.
Not so much. He only played a handful of times under Emery, and really kicked on under Setien after Emery joined us.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 29, 2025, 01:08:32 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 29, 2025, 01:12:54 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 29, 2025, 01:15:16 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 01:56:14 PM
@MiguelDelaney
Post by: Dave P on January 29, 2025, 01:57:23 PM
Aston Villa believe they can offer Sverre Nypan a persuasive package & potentially offer more regular & immediate first-team football.
@MiguelDelaney
His name is popping up a lot and he is supposed to be a top talent.
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2025, 01:58:58 PM
Aston Villa believe they can offer Sverre Nypan a persuasive package & potentially offer more regular & immediate first-team football.
@MiguelDelaney
His name is popping up a lot and he is supposed to be a top talent.
This in spite of the fact that he's clearly fictional.
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2025, 02:03:14 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 29, 2025, 02:05:27 PM
Post by: Baldy on January 29, 2025, 02:11:23 PM
Bailey is currently out of form and moves inside too much. Our threat down the left has almost disappeared. Too much pressure on Rogers bursting through the congested middle to create anything.
We need an 'out and out' quality left winger. Despite Southampton being crap, Sulemana has shown potential. Antoine Sememyo of Bournemouth can play up front (left, right or centre) and might also be worth checking out.
Ramsey flatters to deceive. Hardly any goals, assists or continuity. If anything, he gets in Rogers way!!
Probably be for the summer now but I would sell Ramsey and invest in an 'out and out' left winger. Give us some width.
When was the last time we had a good left winger???
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 02:11:40 PM
Loan proposal with fee + salary coverage, up to Chelsea.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 29, 2025, 02:18:04 PM
Compared to last season, we have become very narrow.
Bailey is currently out of form and moves inside too much. Our threat down the left has almost disappeared. Too much pressure on Rogers bursting through the congested middle to create anything.
We need an 'out and out' quality left winger. Despite Southampton being crap, Sulemana has shown potential. Antoine Sememyo of Bournemouth can play up front (left, right or centre) and might also be worth checking out.
Ramsey flatters to deceive. Hardly any goals, assists or continuity. If anything, he gets in Rogers way!!
Probably be for the summer now but I would sell Ramsey and invest in an 'out and out' left winger. Give us some width.
When was the last time we had a good left winger???
Fuck it, let’s get Nico Williams, sell him the dream.
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2025, 02:22:23 PM
When was the last time we had a good left winger???
About ten months ago?
Post by: LeeB on January 29, 2025, 02:25:18 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 29, 2025, 02:27:42 PM
I'm just glad theres only a few days of window left so this doesnt drag on and on and on
Post by: LeeB on January 29, 2025, 02:30:00 PM
Compared to last season, we have become very narrow.
Bailey is currently out of form and moves inside too much. Our threat down the left has almost disappeared. Too much pressure on Rogers bursting through the congested middle to create anything.
We need an 'out and out' quality left winger. Despite Southampton being crap, Sulemana has shown potential. Antoine Sememyo of Bournemouth can play up front (left, right or centre) and might also be worth checking out.
Ramsey flatters to deceive. Hardly any goals, assists or continuity. If anything, he gets in Rogers way!!
Probably be for the summer now but I would sell Ramsey and invest in an 'out and out' left winger. Give us some width.
When was the last time we had a good left winger???
Are you fucking mad? Did he get in Rogers way for the goal on Sunday? Hardly any goals or assists because he got a bad injury and had some complications coming back too soon.
Post by: eamonn on January 29, 2025, 02:31:58 PM
Emery does love Felix and has done for ages. Felix didn't turn us down in summer or choose Chelsea over us. We didn't come to a deal with Athletico. Then to ensure the Gallagher deal didn't collapse (after that striker who went Porto turned Chelsea down) he was pretty much forced into the deal for PSR reasons
I'm just glad theres only a few days of window left so this doesnt drag on and on and on
Vinnie, you're finally back. Makes up for the continued absence of other Heroes. Any other intel? Are we going to keep Jhon at least til the summer?
Post by: Holy Trinity on January 29, 2025, 02:32:07 PM
Rambo is amazing, some people can't see past G & A numbers.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 29, 2025, 02:34:11 PM
Still one of the funniest things I've seen during a game.Someone's forgotten Nicklas Helenius.
It still gets me Angry that he literally had his shorts pulled down by a spurs defender in the box and didn't get a penalty.
I know, a shirt pull is a yellow card so pulling someones pants down isnt far from sexual assault :) Pen and Red def
We just needed the Benny Hill music.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 29, 2025, 02:46:46 PM
Emery does love Felix and has done for ages. Felix didn't turn us down in summer or choose Chelsea over us. We didn't come to a deal with Athletico. Then to ensure the Gallagher deal didn't collapse (after that striker who went Porto turned Chelsea down) he was pretty much forced into the deal for PSR reasons
I'm just glad theres only a few days of window left so this doesnt drag on and on and on
Vinnie, you're finally back. Makes up for the continued absence of other Heroes. Any other intel? Are we going to keep Jhon at least til the summer?
Hey mate, still on here as like the content but more in a voyeur perspective lol
No idea on Duran, seems far too much noise on him on an ongoing basis. Every window its going to be the same. So if thats going to the case id suggest its better we move on from it asap
Post by: olaftab on January 29, 2025, 02:56:02 PM
Someone I know is taking tablets called Sverre Nypan. 2 a day till further notice.This in spite of the fact that he's clearly fictional.Aston Villa believe they can offer Sverre Nypan a persuasive package & potentially offer more regular & immediate first-team football.
@MiguelDelaney
His name is popping up a lot and he is supposed to be a top talent.
Post by: Baldy on January 29, 2025, 03:01:45 PM
Compared to last season, we have become very narrow.
Bailey is currently out of form and moves inside too much. Our threat down the left has almost disappeared. Too much pressure on Rogers bursting through the congested middle to create anything.
We need an 'out and out' quality left winger. Despite Southampton being crap, Sulemana has shown potential. Antoine Sememyo of Bournemouth can play up front (left, right or centre) and might also be worth checking out.
Ramsey flatters to deceive. Hardly any goals, assists or continuity. If anything, he gets in Rogers way!!
Probably be for the summer now but I would sell Ramsey and invest in an 'out and out' left winger. Give us some width.
When was the last time we had a good left winger???
Are you fucking mad? Did he get in Rogers way for the goal on Sunday? Hardly any goals or assists because he got a bad injury and had some complications coming back too soon.
Yes, I am fucking mad but 14 goals and 11 assists in 122 appearances does not win you many trophies.
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 03:13:31 PM
McGinn has only scored 6 in a Premier League season once. JJ has done it twice in a hundred less games. On that basis McGinn, get rid?Compared to last season, we have become very narrow.
Bailey is currently out of form and moves inside too much. Our threat down the left has almost disappeared. Too much pressure on Rogers bursting through the congested middle to create anything.
We need an 'out and out' quality left winger. Despite Southampton being crap, Sulemana has shown potential. Antoine Sememyo of Bournemouth can play up front (left, right or centre) and might also be worth checking out.
Ramsey flatters to deceive. Hardly any goals, assists or continuity. If anything, he gets in Rogers way!!
Probably be for the summer now but I would sell Ramsey and invest in an 'out and out' left winger. Give us some width.
When was the last time we had a good left winger???
Are you fucking mad? Did he get in Rogers way for the goal on Sunday? Hardly any goals or assists because he got a bad injury and had some complications coming back too soon.
Yes, I am fucking mad but 14 goals and 11 assists in 122 appearances does not win you many trophies.
I think we're a much better team with JJ in it and if it wasn't for a messed up foot last season I think we wouldn't of had to of waited until Spurs vs Man City until we knew we qualified for the Champions League. He played some of his best football under Emery at the beginning so I wouldn't be tempted to let him go unless it was for stupid Grealish money.
Post by: LeeB on January 29, 2025, 03:15:16 PM
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 29, 2025, 03:16:35 PM
Ever time I hear that name, I think of a Harry Potter spell
I think of "Silencio" from Mulholland Drive.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 29, 2025, 03:18:06 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 29, 2025, 04:25:04 PM
Compared to last season, we have become very narrow.
Bailey is currently out of form and moves inside too much. Our threat down the left has almost disappeared. Too much pressure on Rogers bursting through the congested middle to create anything.
We need an 'out and out' quality left winger. Despite Southampton being crap, Sulemana has shown potential. Antoine Sememyo of Bournemouth can play up front (left, right or centre) and might also be worth checking out.
Ramsey flatters to deceive. Hardly any goals, assists or continuity. If anything, he gets in Rogers way!!
Probably be for the summer now but I would sell Ramsey and invest in an 'out and out' left winger. Give us some width.
When was the last time we had a good left winger???
We don't really play with wingers though. Our midfield was at its best with a narrow 4 of McGinn/Ramsey/Luiz/Kamara. Bailey did great last year and McGinn filled in holes on the left and everywhere else. But maybe it wasn't sustainable, Cash gets left isolated too often and Tielemans hasnt the mobility Luiz did.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 29, 2025, 04:58:19 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 29, 2025, 05:01:49 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 05:04:45 PM
Proposal around £60m turned down as Villa are not happy with timing of the bid, ahead of crucial UCL game for the club.
👀🇸🇦 Villa are also in active talks with Al Nassr for Jhon Durán.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 29, 2025, 05:05:46 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 29, 2025, 05:07:13 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 29, 2025, 05:07:15 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2025, 05:07:39 PM
Aston Villa have rejected today an official bid from Arsenal for Ollie Watkins.
Proposal around £60m turned down as Villa are not happy with timing of the bid, ahead of crucial UCL game for the club.
👀🇸🇦 Villa are also in active talks with Al Nassr for Jhon Durán.
Sounds like bollocks
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 05:08:15 PM
@SamiMokbel81_DM
Post by: eamonn on January 29, 2025, 05:10:31 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 29, 2025, 05:11:29 PM
Think this one was true. Arsenal really just need to piss off.
We were debating whether selling Duran or Watkins was the right one to sell - whoever said “both” in the sweepstake?
Post by: Beard82 on January 29, 2025, 05:14:06 PM
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Post by: TaxDodger on January 29, 2025, 05:24:13 PM
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Post by: Beard82 on January 29, 2025, 05:27:24 PM
Believe Arsenal don't have a lot of PSR room to negotiate so I doubt they would go much higher than £70m....especially for a 29yr old.Think will get an offer involving one to there players next.
Post by: Rigadon on January 29, 2025, 05:30:18 PM
Believe Arsenal don't have a lot of PSR room to negotiate so I doubt they would go much higher than £70m....especially for a 29yr old.Think will get an offer involving one to there players next.
Both of their centre halves and it’s a deal.
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 05:30:18 PM
I can't see who that would be or anyone Unai would want. I don't even think Unai would want to business with them at all, especially for his main forward.Believe Arsenal don't have a lot of PSR room to negotiate so I doubt they would go much higher than £70m....especially for a 29yr old.Think will get an offer involving one to there players next.
Post by: TaxDodger on January 29, 2025, 05:33:03 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 29, 2025, 05:33:27 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 05:34:15 PM
@TheSecretScout_
#avfc
Post by: Beard82 on January 29, 2025, 05:36:20 PM
Pretty bad form.
Post by: Rigadon on January 29, 2025, 05:36:21 PM
Post by: Richard on January 29, 2025, 05:38:16 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 29, 2025, 05:39:34 PM
Also, we can't sell Ollie because it would mean bloody Gabby Agbonlahor will be our all-time Premier League leading goalscorer forever.
The record is hardly one to celebrate more a demonstration of lack of decent strikers and failing to keep the good ones since 92.
Post by: eamonn on January 29, 2025, 05:40:23 PM
The farce of FFP or whatever its called....the likes of West Ham and Arsenal can bid 60m for our strikers while we are operating a one out, one in policy like Philogene replaced by Malen. Hardly fair.
Our own fault for being Midlanders.
Post by: Beard82 on January 29, 2025, 05:42:44 PM
Ollie to Arse is giving me Grealish to City levels of anger
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 29, 2025, 05:45:07 PM
Post by: Matt C on January 29, 2025, 05:50:31 PM
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2025, 05:56:20 PM
Its shocking that this has leaked just hours before a big game. Apparently getting through in top 8 we get another 11m.
Pretty bad form.
They are proper c**ts.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 29, 2025, 05:57:39 PM
Balls. I hope this hasn’t unsettled him ahead of tonight… I hate Arsenal so much. Even more so for this stunt.
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 05:59:23 PM
❗️ But formal steps needed as Al Nassr also have advanced negotiations in place for Victor Boniface with Bayer…
…and only ONE striker will join. 🇸🇦
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 29, 2025, 06:06:30 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 29, 2025, 06:12:23 PM
We have 2 brilliant strikers - both with good options on the table. I would assume both will be happy to move now. Currently, the club can choose - come the summer they will have to sell one or the other - and theres a good chance we wont have UCL football to offer them or to use as a reason not hold onto both. Come the summer there may not be options for both - so we wont have that choice.
I think the club will make a decision now. Choose who goes and who stays, and then builds the team around the one that stays. Its not ideal - but if I was Emery and had the constraints that we do, thats what I do. I think circumstances will force our hand and well do it now. If they sell Watkins they will get Felix on loan - and go to the end of the season like that. If we sell Duran, we might bring in someother young striker from somewhere. Thats my prediction.
Thats said - my judgement is shocking.
Post by: eamonn on January 29, 2025, 06:18:46 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 29, 2025, 06:21:47 PM
Hull City have signed Louie Barry on loan until the end of the season. #AVFC
Needs to come back NOW !!! If Ollie and Duran are going :)
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 06:23:38 PM
Let them get the lad with boney face, c'mon Jhon, grab a brace tonight and kiss the badge....then pulls out one of those paper face masks of Arteta, pops it on and McGinn squats over him to take a massive shit on it. Then Ollie starts tea bagging it getting Johns shit on his balls.
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2025, 06:24:22 PM
Let them get the lad with boney face, c'mon Jhon, grab a brace tonight and kiss the badge....then pulls out one of those paper face masks of Arteta, pops it on and McGinn squats over him to take a massive shit on it. Then Ollie starts tea bagging it getting Johns shit on his balls.
...wow.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 29, 2025, 06:26:02 PM
Let them get the lad with boney face, c'mon Jhon, grab a brace tonight and kiss the badge....then pulls out one of those paper face masks of Arteta, pops it on and McGinn squats over him to take a massive shit on it. Then Ollie starts tea bagging it getting Johns shit on his balls.
Just when you think you’ve hit a strange corner of the internet….
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 29, 2025, 06:26:28 PM
Let them get the lad with boney face, c'mon Jhon, grab a brace tonight and kiss the badge.
Didn't Watkins kiss the badge the other day?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 29, 2025, 06:26:35 PM
Believe Arsenal don't have a lot of PSR room to negotiate so I doubt they would go much higher than £70m....especially for a 29yr old.Think will get an offer involving one to there players next.
I have no problem with watkins going for 60 million
60 million with saka and Odegaard seems fair
Post by: lovejoy on January 29, 2025, 06:34:11 PM
Looks like we’re gonna hit that £400m turnover target sooner than we thought.
Except player sales aren't classified as turnover....one for the bean counters!
Post by: Beard82 on January 29, 2025, 06:35:05 PM
Just Emi and Luca v the world
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 29, 2025, 06:36:47 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 29, 2025, 06:38:13 PM
Since the window opened
We have Mings, Torres, Barkely and Onnana injured
Bendia, Carlos and Jayden gone
Seems likely 1 of our 2 forward goes
And we have brought in Malen?
Post by: BC Villain on January 29, 2025, 06:39:29 PM
Aston Villa see Jhon Durán as their long-term centre forward — they’re open to selling Ollie Watkins at the right fee.
@TheSecretScout_
#avfc
Surely Emery and Monchi wouldn't be thick enough to sell both?!
Post by: PhilVill on January 29, 2025, 06:39:51 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 29, 2025, 06:43:51 PM
We are getting to quite a light squad it would appear.
Since the window opened
We have Mings, Torres, Barkely and Onnana injured
Bendia, Carlos and Jayden gone
Seems likely 1 of our 2 forward goes
And we have brought in Malen?
Strange business so far and must be very disrupting for Emery. Get the sense we need a bit of a statement signing.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2025, 06:52:44 PM
I'm finding all this thoroughly exciting.
The one word i wouldnt use is exciting! Most of the words are non PG so i will spare the forum of that 🤣
Post by: enigma on January 29, 2025, 07:03:55 PM
Hmmmm. Could be a fun few days ahead then. We may make a Bid for Jamie Vardy?Would be interesting to see him and Emi try to out - shithouse each other.
Post by: Drummond on January 29, 2025, 07:06:01 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2025, 07:17:50 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 29, 2025, 07:20:26 PM
If duran goes we should seriously use the money and get boniface. Look at his stats in bundesliga. He would be a unbelievable signing
He's gone to Saudi.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 29, 2025, 07:20:43 PM
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Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2025, 07:40:00 PM
If duran goes we should seriously use the money and get boniface. Look at his stats in bundesliga. He would be a unbelievable signing
He's gone to Saudi.
Not if they sign duran.its one or the other
Post by: enigma on January 29, 2025, 07:43:55 PM
Is it though? No PSR over there and they have all the money in the world.If duran goes we should seriously use the money and get boniface. Look at his stats in bundesliga. He would be a unbelievable signing
He's gone to Saudi.
Not if they sign duran.its one or the other
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 07:48:42 PM
They still have restrictions over how much the top clubs can spend and how many foreign players they are allowed.Is it though? No PSR over there and they have all the money in the world.If duran goes we should seriously use the money and get boniface. Look at his stats in bundesliga. He would be a unbelievable signing
He's gone to Saudi.
Not if they sign duran.its one or the other
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2025, 07:48:56 PM
Is it though? No PSR over there and they have all the money in the world.If duran goes we should seriously use the money and get boniface. Look at his stats in bundesliga. He would be a unbelievable signing
He's gone to Saudi.
Not if they sign duran.its one or the other
Im sure i read that they are signing either duran or boniface not both
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 29, 2025, 07:49:36 PM
If duran goes we should seriously use the money and get boniface. Look at his stats in bundesliga. He would be a unbelievable signing
He's gone to Saudi.
Not if they sign duran.its one or the other
They've gone for 'the other'. Confirmed this afternoon, €60m.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2025, 07:51:37 PM
If duran goes we should seriously use the money and get boniface. Look at his stats in bundesliga. He would be a unbelievable signing
He's gone to Saudi.
Not if they sign duran.its one or the other
They've gone for 'the other'. Confirmed this afternoon, €60m.
Ah cheers pal. Then duran wont be going saudi
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 29, 2025, 07:53:32 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 29, 2025, 07:54:45 PM
Fab said about an hour ago it was still to be decided - dont see anything to say Bonerface has gone to saudiIf duran goes we should seriously use the money and get boniface. Look at his stats in bundesliga. He would be a unbelievable signing
He's gone to Saudi.
Not if they sign duran.its one or the other
They've gone for 'the other'. Confirmed this afternoon, €60m.
Ah cheers pal. Then duran wont be going saudi
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 29, 2025, 07:55:52 PM
Nothing has been confirmed has it? Romano was still saying it was either/or last I saw.
Quite a few other places but..
Quote
Long term Man United target, Victor Boniface, has reached total agreement on a €60m transfer from Bayer Leverkusen – but with Saudi Pro League giants, Al Nassr, and not the Red Devils.
Sky Sports Germany’s Florian Plettenberg has posted on X that the move for the 24-year-old will take place immediately, bringing to an end Man United’s pursuit.
Post by: Beard82 on January 29, 2025, 07:57:01 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 29, 2025, 07:57:42 PM
So ollie goes...
Or neither, when (possibly) both wanted to. Could be fun.
Post by: Beard82 on January 29, 2025, 08:01:01 PM
Would be pretty surprised if they're both there next week. I think this was always going to come to a head and I think nows the time.So ollie goes...
Or neither, when (possibly) both wanted to. Could be fun.
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 08:08:13 PM
If duran goes we should seriously use the money and get boniface. Look at his stats in bundesliga. He would be a unbelievable signing
He's gone to Saudi.
Not if they sign duran.its one or the other
They've gone for 'the other'. Confirmed this afternoon, €60m.
🚨 EXCL: Jhon Duran set for medical in London on Thursday before proposed move from Aston Villa to Al Nassr. €77m + add-ons agreed in principle & 5.5yr contract in place. Arsenal made approach for Ollie Watkins on Monday - quickly rebuffed
@TheAthleticFC
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2025, 08:28:41 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 29, 2025, 08:29:37 PM
And we walk away happy from this!
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2025, 08:31:35 PM
Boniface and Felix.
And we walk away happy from this!
Id wet myself if those two came in
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2025, 08:32:14 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 08:55:44 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2025, 08:57:33 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 09:00:03 PM
So that’s a no then.They've been in for him since the beginning of the month, a permanent deal. Spurs and Man Utd have asked about a loan.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2025, 09:00:42 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 09:02:16 PM
Yeah sorry it was a flip remark to having something sensational lined up.Ah right I got you. Maybe the case then...but who knows, maybe out of Porto, Benfica ,Atletico, Barcelona and Chelsea, he finally finds his home at...Villa ???
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 09:22:45 PM
2 more assists.Compared to last season, we have become very narrow.
Bailey is currently out of form and moves inside too much. Our threat down the left has almost disappeared. Too much pressure on Rogers bursting through the congested middle to create anything.
We need an 'out and out' quality left winger. Despite Southampton being crap, Sulemana has shown potential. Antoine Sememyo of Bournemouth can play up front (left, right or centre) and might also be worth checking out.
Ramsey flatters to deceive. Hardly any goals, assists or continuity. If anything, he gets in Rogers way!!
Probably be for the summer now but I would sell Ramsey and invest in an 'out and out' left winger. Give us some width.
When was the last time we had a good left winger???
Are you fucking mad? Did he get in Rogers way for the goal on Sunday? Hardly any goals or assists because he got a bad injury and had some complications coming back too soon.
Yes, I am fucking mad but 14 goals and 11 assists in 122 appearances does not win you many trophies.
Post by: murgsy on January 29, 2025, 10:09:18 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 29, 2025, 10:10:38 PM
Duran will end up crashing and burning. If we spend well it could define the next decade for us.
Post by: Monty on January 29, 2025, 10:13:05 PM
I have a good feeling about the rest of the transfer window.
Duran will end up crashing and burning. If we spend well it could define the next decade for us.
The fact that he wants to go there reveals that the balance of probability is that he crashes and burns. If this summer you'd have offered me Felix or Cunha for him I'd have been quite content.
Post by: BoVillan esq on January 29, 2025, 10:17:31 PM
I have a good feeling about the rest of the transfer window.
Duran will end up crashing and burning. If we spend well it could define the next decade for us.
The fact that he wants to go there reveals that the balance of probability is that he crashes and burns. If this summer you'd have offered me Felix or Cunha for him I'd have been quite content.
I wish him well, clearly and purely for the money but at 21, 31 yes grab the cash at the end of your career, another 6 months at Villa could have put him in the super star status, still would have gone but he's gone to early, so we have the money now and we need to get 4 or 5 players in before the end of this transfer window, I assume that Monchi has got all this hand.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 29, 2025, 10:18:06 PM
I have a good feeling about the rest of the transfer window.
Duran will end up crashing and burning. If we spend well it could define the next decade for us.
The fact that he wants to go there reveals that the balance of probability is that he crashes and burns. If this summer you'd have offered me Felix or Cunha for him I'd have been quite content.
And a bit of surplus cash too, although Wolves will add £10m to his price now.
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2025, 10:20:35 PM
It also means about £55m banked for PSR.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2025, 10:22:05 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on January 29, 2025, 10:24:43 PM
Post by: BoVillan esq on January 29, 2025, 10:26:45 PM
We have a lot of work to do in the time remaining and it feels like a risk mid season. Time for monchi to earn his money
Spot on, and at some speed.
Post by: Ian. on January 29, 2025, 10:39:44 PM
I’ll be glad when the window closes.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2025, 10:40:08 PM
We have a lot of work to do in the time remaining and it feels like a risk mid season. Time for monchi to earn his money
Exactly that - this is a huge gamble.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 29, 2025, 10:41:03 PM
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Post by: Olneythelonely on January 29, 2025, 11:26:56 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 29, 2025, 11:28:39 PM
Grealish and Luiz are both out of favour with their current clubs - two no brainer signings. Tammy Abraham not having much joy in Milan, might be happier on our bench. RB - Walker-Peters and Lamptey are running down their contracts, think Emery would prefer a stronger defender there.
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 11:28:54 PM
Id be thrilled with either cunha or boniface as his replacementI don't think we would go for any established striker like Boniface. You're left with the Watkins, Duran scenario again. I think it will be a youngster Emery could mould in time.
Post by: Matt C on January 29, 2025, 11:30:32 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 29, 2025, 11:30:49 PM
Last minute trolley dash with the Duran money and I guess Buendia's wages too. Cash's injury leaves us in no man's land again at right back. Still Carlos to replace at centre back.
Grealish and Luiz are both out of favour with their current clubs - two no brainer signings. Tammy Abraham not having much joy in Milan, might be happier on our bench. RB - Walker-Peters and Lamptey are running down their contracts, think Emery would prefer a stronger defender there.
We have that Garcia chap for RB, assuming he has been bought to be played and not "Ned'd". But no to Grealish, not on the money he is on and his diving against us.
Post by: brontebilly on January 29, 2025, 11:35:27 PM
Last minute trolley dash with the Duran money and I guess Buendia's wages too. Cash's injury leaves us in no man's land again at right back. Still Carlos to replace at centre back.
Grealish and Luiz are both out of favour with their current clubs - two no brainer signings. Tammy Abraham not having much joy in Milan, might be happier on our bench. RB - Walker-Peters and Lamptey are running down their contracts, think Emery would prefer a stronger defender there.
We have that Garcia chap for RB, assuming he has been bought to be played and not "Ned'd". But no to Grealish, not on the money he is on and his diving against us.
Would all be long forgotten if he did the business on the pitch again. Would have to fight for his place, get a lot fitter so think it would suit him and us.
Post by: London Villan on January 29, 2025, 11:45:51 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2025, 01:12:11 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2025, 01:41:51 AM
Agreed. We seem to be in a constant state of emergency with our transfer dealings. Surely if it was obvious Duran was leaving it should have been done as a prority early in the window. We are now at the mercy of any club we deal with unless Uni thinks that Malen will be the 2nd striker. Personally I would spend all the money in defense.
We always seem to leave ourselves a bit short as well. As it stands tonight, right-back is still far from convincing, we are at least 1 centre-back short (possibly two if Torres and Mings are going to be long-term), we need another right-winger as Malen didn't look at all comfortable there against West Ham and a centre-forward if Duran is going.
I understand and fully appreciate that we may be working under tight financial constraints, but the quality of players we bring in don't really seem to improve the starting XI massively.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 30, 2025, 01:48:19 AM
I believe we can make 3 changes to the CL squad, presumably that would have to be Malen, Disasi (or new defender) and a replacement for Duran (Felix?)
Which would mean no place for Garcia. If Nedeljkovic goes out on loan, we'd therefore have no good right-back alternative to Cash. Diasi and Konsa *can* play there, but it's far from ideal.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 30, 2025, 01:59:42 AM
I’d keep Ollie come what may and buy Cunha, Dougie and a CB/RB who for a few weeks could partner Konsa in central defence. There are plenty of right-footed centre-backs who play on the left side of a central defensive partnership.
Post by: LeonW on January 30, 2025, 04:14:38 AM
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Post by: sid1964 on January 30, 2025, 06:49:45 AM
We must know need the cash from any sale to buy players.
Post by: KevinGage on January 30, 2025, 07:07:26 AM
Last minute trolley dash with the Duran money and I guess Buendia's wages too. Cash's injury leaves us in no man's land again at right back. Still Carlos to replace at centre back.
Grealish and Luiz are both out of favour with their current clubs - two no brainer signings. Tammy Abraham not having much joy in Milan, might be happier on our bench. RB - Walker-Peters and Lamptey are running down their contracts, think Emery would prefer a stronger defender there.
We have that Garcia chap for RB, assuming he has been bought to be played and not "Ned'd". But no to Grealish, not on the money he is on and his diving against us.
It shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
But the manner of his departure, the fact that he tried to leave at least two times before he eventually did and he general cuntishness whenever we've played them means I hope we go nowhere near him.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 30, 2025, 07:17:01 AM
Someone will be coming in whther its a loan until end of season and we buy someone proper in summer or vice versa
Post by: Rigadon on January 30, 2025, 07:17:47 AM
Honestly, what’s the point if we can’t keep one of them?
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2025, 07:20:04 AM
Might see a bid for the young Turkish lad we've been linked with for ages.
Would we be interested in a cut price deal for David at Lille?
Dream for me from here....
Disasi loan to buy
Luiz buy
Felix because Unai wants him
David - could be a decent price and has good pedigree.
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2025, 07:33:51 AM
Assuming Duran goes, we'll have lost Carlos, Buendia, Duran and Philogene from our CL squad - though I think Philogene counts as homegrown.
I believe we can make 3 changes to the CL squad, presumably that would have to be Malen, Disasi (or new defender) and a replacement for Duran (Felix?)
Which would mean no place for Garcia. If Nedeljkovic goes out on loan, we'd therefore have no good right-back alternative to Cash. Diasi and Konsa *can* play there, but it's far from ideal.
If Ned goes out on loan that would be the 5th person from the CL squad to leave, allowing us to register another incoming. You can get a 5th as well if 7 players leave.
Post by: Gareth on January 30, 2025, 07:38:36 AM
Theres no way we are selling duran without a striker lined up. Not a chance in hell
Someone will be coming in whther its a loan until end of season and we buy someone proper in summer or vice versa
I suspect you might be disappointed - maybe another Duran type signing of a unknown striker but more likely we will go for a 10 to replace Buendia ie Felix and use Rogers / Bailey / Malen as 2nd striker if Ollie goes lame.
Post by: algy on January 30, 2025, 09:13:35 AM
Grealish is too old for the model we are going down too. Felix fits the profile at 10, and with the Duran money I can see us going after him properly now. Much as I am not convinced he's the answer. Malen will be the Watkins cover till May I would assume.Blimey, we really are going for them young.
Might see a bid for the young Turkish lad we've been linked with for ages.
Would we be interested in a cut price deal for David at Lille?
Dream for me from here....
Disasi loan to buy
Luiz buy
Felix because Unai wants him
David - could be a decent price and has good pedigree.
Post by: Bosco81 on January 30, 2025, 09:15:05 AM
I wouldn't be against a punt on Felix, loan or cash, depending on the price and his salary, although I'd prefer us to go out and get a top notch right winger, I like the look of Dibling at Soton, but he's probably more of a long term project.
Post by: Beard82 on January 30, 2025, 09:19:30 AM
If we sell both this week it’ll send everyone the signal that we’ve given up this season. It would be a really, really bad look and the next thing will be bids for Rogers, Kamara, Martínez and JJ.I think if we we sell both (and I said on another page, I cant see it happening), I think we may as well give up full stop. We're not going to compete at this level. No way Martinez stays if we have sold those two and the inevitable mid table finish that creates.
Honestly, what’s the point if we can’t keep one of them?
It would be the Lerner appointing TSM. No point pretending were even trying to be at the top table.
Post by: KevinGage on January 30, 2025, 09:19:47 AM
Perhaps this extra cash might widen the search from Disasi, and we can go out and get a "better" centre half than him.
I wouldn't be against a punt on Felix, loan or cash, depending on the price and his salary, although I'd prefer us to go out and get a top notch right winger, I like the look of Dibling at Soton, but he's probably more of a long term project.
I think they knew a move for Duran was likely and they still had Disasi towards the top of the list once Bade had gone all David Dumbsworth.
But agreed, I’d like a solid genuine first team option. Rather than an experiment.
Post by: Beard82 on January 30, 2025, 09:20:34 AM
Post by: Rigadon on January 30, 2025, 09:22:29 AM
Post by: Smoke on January 30, 2025, 09:25:14 AM
Perhaps Morgan has the potential to be that player?
Post by: wolfman999 on January 30, 2025, 09:29:59 AM
If we do sign anyone else - I would really like it to be someone thats good. This approach of selling are best players and then buying ones that arent as good hasnt done us any favours.
Three years in the Championship proves that point.
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2025, 09:32:01 AM
If Emery can get Felix then he has options wide right with Rogers and Ramsey if Bailey isn't doing it. Wide left Maatsen should be seen as a viable option in my option.
Defence worries me more. Still think we need 2 at the back. Wouldn't mind Danso that Wolves are in for.
Post by: KevinGage on January 30, 2025, 09:45:55 AM
If we were to sell Duran and buy a prospect from an already relegated team, I’d be hugely deflated. The only acceptable reason to selling Duran is if we are bringing in a genuinely brilliant player who can play at the same time as our other genuinely great players (so long as they are still at Villa tomorrow).
The homegrown/ English factor is still a thing for European competition.
So I wouldn’t be totally stunned if we went for someone like Delap or one of the other England U21 forward options in the summer.
Post by: Gareth on January 30, 2025, 10:03:00 AM
At very least might change which list we are looking for our defenders from & maybe look different to a loan for Disasi…think a lot depends on when Torres / Mings and now Cash are likely to be back and fit
Like the loans out for Barry & Gauci…two good size clubs to send them to
Post by: London Villan on January 30, 2025, 10:04:36 AM
Post by: Smithy on January 30, 2025, 10:07:51 AM
If we were to sell Duran and buy a prospect from an already relegated team, I’d be hugely deflated. The only acceptable reason to selling Duran is if we are bringing in a genuinely brilliant player who can play at the same time as our other genuinely great players (so long as they are still at Villa tomorrow).
The homegrown/ English factor is still a thing for European competition.
So I wouldn’t be totally stunned if we went for someone like Delap or one of the other England U21 forward options in the summer.
Illing-Junior says hello.
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2025, 10:09:07 AM
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Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 30, 2025, 10:12:06 AM
Post by: Bobby Boy on January 30, 2025, 10:17:06 AM
This feels a bit like when we sold David Platt , but on steroids !!
With David Platt, you always felt we were a stepping stone in his mind. I wasn't that upset when he left.
Post by: Smithy on January 30, 2025, 10:20:34 AM
This feels a bit like when we sold David Platt , but on steroids !!
It's also a bit different to when Jack left. As we were a mid-table side back then. Now we're in the Champions League, and have realistic ambitions of qualifying for it again. That makes the profile of player we'll use the money to sign a little bit different.
Post by: DB on January 30, 2025, 10:20:42 AM
This feels a bit like when we sold David Platt , but on steroids !!
With David Platt, you always felt we were a stepping stone in his mind. I wasn't that upset when he left.
…and look who we bought with the money.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 30, 2025, 10:31:27 AM
If / when Duran goes I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Bade thing resurrected…little bit more on the offer might see Seville start to encourage him out of the door.
At very least might change which list we are looking for our defenders from & maybe look different to a loan for Disasi…think a lot depends on when Torres / Mings and now Cash are likely to be back and fit
Like the loans out for Barry & Gauci…two good size clubs to send them to
We wont go for bade. He didnt want to come unfortunately
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2025, 10:35:35 AM
If we were to sell Duran and buy a prospect from an already relegated team, I’d be hugely deflated. The only acceptable reason to selling Duran is if we are bringing in a genuinely brilliant player who can play at the same time as our other genuinely great players (so long as they are still at Villa tomorrow).
The homegrown/ English factor is still a thing for European competition.
So I wouldn’t be totally stunned if we went for someone like Delap or one of the other England U21 forward options in the summer.
Illing-Junior says hello.
Are you sure he counts? To be "association trained" you need to be in that system for 36 months between the ages of 15 and 21, and he moved from Chelsea to Juventus when he was 17.
Post by: Diablo on January 30, 2025, 10:54:15 AM
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 30, 2025, 10:58:30 AM
If we are going to recruit a forward, mind, it should be another tricky winger. We don't do nearly enough pointless nutmegs.
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2025, 11:02:46 AM
Right-back and centre-back are our most pressing needs at this point, surely?
As things stand, we have García, Nedeljković, Cash and arguably Konsa (subject to a new centre-back coming in, which obviously is a pressing need).
I think it's unlikely we're about to bring in another one even if Ned goes out on loan.
Post by: London Villan on January 30, 2025, 11:03:53 AM
Post by: jwarry on January 30, 2025, 11:06:32 AM
🚨🇫🇷 One more club has called today for Mathys Tel: Aston Villa have also asked for deal conditions.
Jhon Durán leaves to join Al Nassr and Villa are in the market for new striker, with contact made for Tel as @FabriceHawkins reports.
There are currently 7 clubs involved.
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2025, 11:09:33 AM
Post by: Bosco81 on January 30, 2025, 11:15:16 AM
Romano
🚨🇫🇷 One more club has called today for Mathys Tel: Aston Villa have also asked for deal conditions.
Jhon Durán leaves to join Al Nassr and Villa are in the market for new striker, with contact made for Tel as @FabriceHawkins reports.
There are currently 7 clubs involved.
Just read on his Wikepedia page that Tel started his career as a centre back, kills 2 birds with 1 stone getting the French Paul Warhurst in.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 30, 2025, 11:19:52 AM
Post by: lovejoy on January 30, 2025, 11:26:52 AM
If we do sign anyone else - I would really like it to be someone thats good. This approach of selling are best players and then buying ones that arent as good hasnt done us any favours.
Yes Beard you have cracked it there, let's sign good players. Can't believe nobody thought of this before.
Post by: Bosco81 on January 30, 2025, 11:27:14 AM
Plays on the left, and is right footed, we've got Ramsey or Rogers for that position, prefer a left-footer on the right.
Post by: lovejoy on January 30, 2025, 11:28:02 AM
Tel would be a unbelievable signing but couldnt see it. Boniface deal off now expectwd tp stay in Germany
Can a deal be off if it was never on? Is the Messi deal off too?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 30, 2025, 11:31:49 AM
If we were to sell Duran and buy a prospect from an already relegated team, I’d be hugely deflated. The only acceptable reason to selling Duran is if we are bringing in a genuinely brilliant player who can play at the same time as our other genuinely great players (so long as they are still at Villa tomorrow).
The homegrown/ English factor is still a thing for European competition.
So I wouldn’t be totally stunned if we went for someone like Delap or one of the other England U21 forward options in the summer.
From what I’ve seen of him Delap generally has a good all round game similar to Ollie, o think that would be a good move for both parties, depending on the price.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2025, 11:34:34 AM
Tel would be a unbelievable signing but couldnt see it. Boniface deal off now expectwd tp stay in Germany
Can a deal be off if it was never on? Is the Messi deal off too?
I assumed he was talking about the Saudi deal before Duran was linked for the move. It was one or the other.
Post by: Bosco81 on January 30, 2025, 11:35:13 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 30, 2025, 11:36:18 AM
Tel would be a unbelievable signing but couldnt see it. Boniface deal off now expectwd tp stay in Germany
Can a deal be off if it was never on? Is the Messi deal off too?
I assumed he was talking about the Saudi deal before Duran was linked for the move. It was one or the other.
Correct
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2025, 11:38:09 AM
Post by: lovejoy on January 30, 2025, 11:38:15 AM
Tel would be a unbelievable signing but couldnt see it. Boniface deal off now expectwd tp stay in Germany
Can a deal be off if it was never on? Is the Messi deal off too?
I assumed he was talking about the Saudi deal before Duran was linked for the move. It was one or the other.
Correct
OK sorry.
Post by: dr.chekov on January 30, 2025, 11:41:00 AM
Delap looks a handful, but I want to see him play a few more games first, I think he played wide for Hull last season, but he's been a revelation playing through the middle, so we might be back to the "can they play together scenario" with Watkins, he'd cost a bit as well wouldn't he ?
I work with an Ipswich fan who says Delap has put in some of the best displays he’s seen from an Ipswich striker since Dalian Atkinson in the late 80s.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2025, 11:42:52 AM
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 30, 2025, 12:03:12 PM
Tap in Romano quoted as saying we have enquired about Mathys Tel from Bayern. 19 years old, French and predominantly left sided attacker.
I wonder if he would be competition for Bailey cutting in on his left and Malen an alternative to Watkins.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2025, 12:06:46 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 30, 2025, 12:14:19 PM
Tap in Romano quoted as saying we have enquired about Mathys Tel from Bayern. 19 years old, French and predominantly left sided attacker.
They paid €30m for him as a 17-year-old, and he's done okay despite only being 19 now. The chances of us getting him without paying a premium are pretty slim. Looks very good though!
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2025, 12:22:49 PM
Tap in Romano quoted as saying we have enquired about Mathys Tel from Bayern. 19 years old, French and predominantly left sided attacker.
They paid €30m for him as a 17-year-old, and he's done okay despite only being 19 now. The chances of us getting him without paying a premium are pretty slim. Looks very good though!
I think they're keen to bring some cash in at the moment - while they're not in Barcelona territory, they've got loads of young attackers and are pretty comfortable recouping some costs where they can.
They're expecting to have to spend a phenomenal amount of money on tying Musiala down long-term and are sacrificing players elsewhere to do that.
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Post by: Dave on January 30, 2025, 01:49:58 PM
However that's obviously balanced by the fact that a couple of years out of the Champions League and the resulting loss of income (prize money and commercial) means that if they do spend, they need to do it well and get a lot better than they are.
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 02:08:11 PM
@Matt_Law_DT
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 30, 2025, 02:08:58 PM
🚨🧨 Arsenal’s opening offer for Ollie Watkins was closer to £45m than £60m.
@Matt_Law_DT
Ha.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2025, 02:11:14 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 30, 2025, 02:12:31 PM
Did they have the West Ham team submit the bid for them? Wankers. You want Ollie in January it’s £90m minimum you absolute wankers.
And they can still fuck the fuck off
Post by: aj2k77 on January 30, 2025, 02:14:17 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 30, 2025, 02:18:03 PM
Something about my 9 year old repeating it at school
Post by: Keeno on January 30, 2025, 02:19:16 PM
And then if Arsenal still want a striker in the summer, they're more likely to break the bank for Isak.
Not worried about this in the slightest - especially now Duran is off.
Post by: Small Rodent on January 30, 2025, 02:19:17 PM
Massive income plus the Kane money means they're fine at the moment. Probably able to spend anywhere from £100-150m without it being too much of a problem for the next season or so.
However that's obviously balanced by the fact that a couple of years out of the Champions League and the resulting loss of income (prize money and commercial) means that if they do spend, they need to do it well and get a lot better than they are.
They must make quite a bit from the NFL games they have each year too.
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2025, 02:19:19 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2025, 02:21:05 PM
Massive income plus the Kane money means they're fine at the moment. Probably able to spend anywhere from £100-150m without it being too much of a problem for the next season or so.
However that's obviously balanced by the fact that a couple of years out of the Champions League and the resulting loss of income (prize money and commercial) means that if they do spend, they need to do it well and get a lot better than they are.
They must make quite a bit from the NFL games they have each year too.
Their commercial side brings in almost as much as our whole income doesn't it, not including TV money etc. that stadium cost a lot, but the construction costs sit outside PSR but the income is huge.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 30, 2025, 02:21:18 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 30, 2025, 02:22:36 PM
Did he not make the case for telling the truth???
He told the truth - but Tarquin bounders might have gone down better ….
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2025, 02:26:22 PM
🚨🧨 Arsenal’s opening offer for Ollie Watkins was closer to £45m than £60m.
@Matt_Law_DT
Ha.
Well he missed five "sitters" last night so no wonder the bid has gone down...
Post by: rob_bridge on January 30, 2025, 02:29:15 PM
Minimum £80m.
Or swap with Saliba
Post by: Beard82 on January 30, 2025, 02:29:36 PM
Ah I assumed it was the world Tarquin that caused the issue, "plastic c...s " might be featured in his next letter home.Did he not make the case for telling the truth???
He told the truth - but Tarquin bounders might have gone down better ….
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 02:29:41 PM
Yeah, their revenue last year was £515 million with a wage/revenue ratio of 42%. Ours was £256 million with a wage/revenue ratio of 96%.Massive income plus the Kane money means they're fine at the moment. Probably able to spend anywhere from £100-150m without it being too much of a problem for the next season or so.
However that's obviously balanced by the fact that a couple of years out of the Champions League and the resulting loss of income (prize money and commercial) means that if they do spend, they need to do it well and get a lot better than they are.
They must make quite a bit from the NFL games they have each year too.
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2025, 02:30:30 PM
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Post by: Monty on January 30, 2025, 02:48:05 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2025, 02:49:52 PM
The offer was last week. The timing of the news of it coming out is odd though.
Monday wasn't it?
Post by: Demitri_C on January 30, 2025, 02:52:41 PM
🚨🧨 Arsenal’s opening offer for Ollie Watkins was closer to £45m than £60m.
@Matt_Law_DT
That trolling at its best. Thats a pathetic bid. We should bid 30m for saka see if they like it
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2025, 02:52:47 PM
The offer was last week. The timing of the news of it coming out is odd though.
Monday wasn't it?
Thought I read last week. Either way, not quite a few hours before the game.
Post by: Beard82 on January 30, 2025, 03:10:53 PM
Post by: villadelph on January 30, 2025, 03:15:18 PM
Nice try!
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Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2025, 04:05:07 PM
I thought the Celtic lad who scored their goals didn't look too bad. Old style centre forward and good backup potential maybe.
His first goals in ages. Nah.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 30, 2025, 04:05:12 PM
I thought the Celtic lad who scored their goals didn't look too bad. Old style centre forward and good backup potential maybe.
Absolutely no chance. He couldn’t cut it at Norwich a few years back (although was pretty young then) and is hardly tearing it up in Scotland
Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2025, 04:06:46 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2025, 04:10:26 PM
I thought the Celtic lad who scored their goals didn't look too bad. Old style centre forward and good backup potential maybe.
DCL looked decent against us, doesn't mean we should buy him as backup.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2025, 04:11:16 PM
I thought the Celtic lad who scored their goals didn't look too bad. Old style centre forward and good backup potential maybe.
His first goals in ages. Nah.
Indeed - scoring a goal or two against us isn’t that tricky either.
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 04:14:37 PM
@FabrizioRomano
Post by: jwarry on January 30, 2025, 04:18:57 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa offered a loan (€3m) plus an option to buy, conditional on Champions League qualification, for Fikayo Tomori — Milan have rejected.
@lucabianchin7
🚨❌ Aston Villa are currently not in talks for Fikayo Tomori.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2025, 04:19:47 PM
I reckon we will secure Diasi and Felix once Duran is confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on January 30, 2025, 04:19:56 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 04:20:05 PM
Don't know what you're talking about, stop making things up.🚨🧨 Aston Villa offered a loan (€3m) plus an option to buy, conditional on Champions League qualification, for Fikayo Tomori — Milan have rejected.
@lucabianchin7
🚨❌ Aston Villa are currently not in talks for Fikayo Tomori.
Post by: jwarry on January 30, 2025, 04:22:30 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 30, 2025, 04:27:57 PM
I thought the Celtic lad who scored their goals didn't look too bad. Old style centre forward and good backup potential maybe.Worth a punt, just sign him up for the No Surrender mob, he's Irish
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2025, 04:31:29 PM
I thought the Celtic lad who scored their goals didn't look too bad. Old style centre forward and good backup potential maybe.Worth a punt, just sign him up for the No Surrender mob, he's Irish
He played well last night granted, might say more about where Konsa's at currently, but for Ireland he has been hopeless really.
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2025, 04:33:06 PM
Wonder if the latter might be going somewhere.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2025, 04:36:23 PM
Alvaro Morata going to Galatasaray, they definitely don't have space for him, Icardi and Osimhen in their squad.
Wonder if the latter might be going somewhere.
Osimhen on a loan with an option? Oh go on then, you've twisted my arm.
Post by: jwarry on January 30, 2025, 04:38:11 PM
Villa also made contact with Chelsea for João Félix earlier this week, another option depending on the formula.
Asensio would be keen on Villa move.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2025, 04:38:22 PM
I thought the Celtic lad who scored their goals didn't look too bad. Old style centre forward and good backup potential maybe.Worth a punt, just sign him up for the No Surrender mob, he's Irish
He played well last night granted, might say more about where Konsa's at currently, but for Ireland he has been hopeless really.
Same for Celtic I think I heard from Rodgers last night. His two goals were his first in ages. Five goals in 20 games in the Scottish PL.
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 04:40:23 PM
🚨🟣🔵 Understand Aston Villa are in talks with PSG for Marco Asensio, one of the main names on their list.
Villa also made contact with Chelsea for João Félix earlier this week, another option depending on the formula.
Asensio would be keen on Villa move.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2025, 04:42:45 PM
Post by: Richard E on January 30, 2025, 04:43:52 PM
It feels like Unai has a thing for handsome devils.
Do they let him get his hands on their mammary glands?
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2025, 04:44:12 PM
It feels like Unai has a thing for handsome devils.
If only I could get 5 minutes with him.
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 04:46:15 PM
Garcia in the mouth and Asensio in the arse or the other way round?It feels like Unai has a thing for handsome devils.
If only I could get 5 minutes with him.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2025, 04:47:53 PM
Post by: pelty on January 30, 2025, 04:48:16 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2025, 04:49:48 PM
🚨🟣🔵 Understand Aston Villa are in talks with PSG for Marco Asensio, one of the main names on their list.
Villa also made contact with Chelsea for João Félix earlier this week, another option depending on the formula.
Asensio would be keen on Villa move.
Hasn't Marco Asensio been a bit of a flop at PSG or has he been injured? He's only made 12 league appearances for them this season.
If we're shopping at PSG I'd prefer we take Gonçalo Ramos off their hands. He's a young version of Watkins with better technique. He's had a crap time at PSG with injuries and illness but this season he's finally getting a run and has found his goalscoring boots. In fact I'm very surprised Arsenal haven't been in for him. Maybe they have and PSG told them where to stick their €45m.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2025, 04:52:16 PM
It feels like Unai has a thing for handsome devils.
If only I could get 5 minutes with him.
Quote
Of course, LeeB is with us. I had him for two minutes, three minutes. He is working well with us to try to learn our way and play in our way with us with his experience. And, you know, of course, when I trombone some bastard protagonist he stays fucking tromboned.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2025, 04:52:51 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 30, 2025, 04:59:06 PM
Not super keen on Asensio as he is 29. Seems a bit long in the tooth.
Yeh I was thinking the same thing, doesn’t fit the profile. Could be a fall back loan if we can’t get Felix?
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2025, 04:59:55 PM
Asensio plays on the right doesn't he? If so we still need a 10.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2025, 04:59:57 PM
It feels like Unai has a thing for handsome devils.
If only I could get 5 minutes with him.QuoteOf course, LeeB is with us. I had him for two minutes, three minutes. He is working well with us to try to learn our way and play in our way with us with his experience. And, you know, of course, when I trombone some bastard protagonist he stays fucking tromboned.
He was being demanding.
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 05:04:15 PM
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Post by: jwarry on January 30, 2025, 05:29:34 PM
🚨🇸🇦 Al Ahli have serious interest in David Baena as they’re willing to trigger the release clause worth €60m for Spanish winger from Villarreal.
Decision up to the player, as @Nilsola10 revealed; while Villarreal hope for Alex to stay.
Post by: lovejoy on January 30, 2025, 05:32:58 PM
Hope we don't go for Evan Ferguson, Hove Seagulls are listening to offers.Not liked by the locals round here, never really produced, injuries at a young age and seems to enjoy the nightlife.
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 05:43:02 PM
@Tanziloic
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2025, 05:56:25 PM
Hope we don't go for Evan Ferguson, Hove Seagulls are listening to offers.Not liked by the locals round here, never really produced, injuries at a young age and seems to enjoy the nightlife.
Thought I was the only H&Ver round here!
Post by: villadelph on January 30, 2025, 06:04:08 PM
🚨🟣🔵 Understand Aston Villa are in talks with PSG for Marco Asensio, one of the main names on their list.
Villa also made contact with Chelsea for João Félix earlier this week, another option depending on the formula.
Asensio would be keen on Villa move.
Seems very Tielemans to me. If true, I wonder what the fee is.
Post by: AV84 on January 30, 2025, 06:06:45 PM
Hope we don't go for Evan Ferguson, Hove Seagulls are listening to offers.
He's exactly the kind of player that could make Brighton a lot of money in the January window. West Ham or the likes, desperate for a striker, could end up paying way more than he's worth at the last minute.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2025, 06:08:26 PM
🚨🟣🔵 Understand Aston Villa are in talks with PSG for Marco Asensio, one of the main names on their list.
Villa also made contact with Chelsea for João Félix earlier this week, another option depending on the formula.
Asensio would be keen on Villa move.
Seems very Tielemans to me. If true, I wonder what the fee is.
They got in the summer on a free transfer so I would hope it's no more than a bag of scratchings.
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2025, 06:15:09 PM
Hope we don't go for Evan Ferguson, Hove Seagulls are listening to offers.Not liked by the locals round here, never really produced, injuries at a young age and seems to enjoy the nightlife.
Always suspected he was a boozer, taking far too long to get over his injuries. Hold up play is abysmal and lack of mobility a huge issue.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 30, 2025, 06:25:39 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2025, 06:40:00 PM
Asenios stats dont look great tbh guys. At 29 as well not sure its a great long term move. Seems a veey gerrard type signing on paper
Gerrard type signing? Kamara, Digne and he can probably claim Duran. I'll have some of that.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2025, 06:42:26 PM
Hope we don't go for Evan Ferguson, Hove Seagulls are listening to offers.Not liked by the locals round here, never really produced, injuries at a young age and seems to enjoy the nightlife.
Always suspected he was a boozer, taking far too long to get over his injuries. Hold up play is abysmal and lack of mobility a huge issue.
Aaron Connolly went down the same path didn't he?
Post by: lessealey on January 30, 2025, 06:51:54 PM
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Post by: Demitri_C on January 30, 2025, 06:53:47 PM
Asenios stats dont look great tbh guys. At 29 as well not sure its a great long term move. Seems a veey gerrard type signing on paper
Gerrard type signing? Kamara, Digne and he can probably claim Duran. I'll have some of that.
Ill take your kamara and up the stakes throw coutinho, dendonker, and olsen. Then there was loan signings fie bednarek and augustin. If you compare unais signings to gerrard its night and day!
Post by: ROBBO on January 30, 2025, 06:59:11 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2025, 07:04:11 PM
Very suprised if we go anywhere near Asensio, doesn't fit Emerys profile, too old and Cunha is not going anywhere until the summer as Wolves are in a relegation battle. So much bullshit happens with so long a transfer period, they should cut it to a seven days now that would be exciting.
And maybe have a cull of failed sporting directors at the end, up the stakes a bit.
Post by: 85kota on January 30, 2025, 07:06:15 PM
Selling Duran reminds me of when Liverpool sold Torres for 50M to Chelsea. They clearly one that trade but then spent 35M of that money on Andy Carroll. There is a morel to the story somewhere.
How the story ends for us depends on how mushroom we've got PSR-wise.
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2025, 07:14:10 PM
Selling Duran reminds me of when Liverpool sold Torres for 50M to Chelsea. They clearly one that trade but then spent 35M of that money on Andy Carroll. There is a morel to the story somewhere.
How the story ends for us depends on how mushroom we've got PSR-wise.
Reckon that's a bit of a shit take.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2025, 07:16:54 PM
Selling Duran reminds me of when Liverpool sold Torres for 50M to Chelsea. They clearly one that trade but then spent 35M of that money on Andy Carroll. There is a morel to the story somewhere.
How the story ends for us depends on how mushroom we've got PSR-wise.
Reckon that's a bit of a shit take.
I think he's right on the button.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2025, 07:33:46 PM
I'm another in favour of testing Ipswich with an offer for Delap. He looks like a very useful player (but he probably wouldn't get into the side ahead of Watkins so we'd possibly end up with a similar situation as with Duran).
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2025, 07:38:24 PM
I'm another in favour of testing Ipswich with an offer for Delap. He looks like a very useful player (but he probably wouldn't get into the side ahead of Watkins so we'd possibly end up with a similar situation as with Duran).
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Is that a wink emoticon, Vincent?
Post by: villadelph on January 30, 2025, 07:39:20 PM
I'm another in favour of testing Ipswich with an offer for Delap. He looks like a very useful player (but he probably wouldn't get into the side ahead of Watkins so we'd possibly end up with a similar situation as with Duran).
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No way..
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2025, 07:41:10 PM
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Post by: Tayls_7 on January 30, 2025, 07:46:24 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2025, 07:50:57 PM
Asenios stats dont look great tbh guys. At 29 as well not sure its a great long term move. Seems a veey gerrard type signing on paper
Gerrard type signing? Kamara, Digne and he can probably claim Duran. I'll have some of that.
Ill take your kamara and up the stakes throw coutinho, dendonker, and olsen. Then there was loan signings fie bednarek and augustin. If you compare unais signings to gerrard its night and day!
Allow me to be selective! As for Unai's signings, erm..Rogers and Torres had his moments last season. Onana apart from his goals has the jury still out. Diaby we got a Get Out of Jail card. The rest are largely out on loan.
Post by: mrfuse on January 30, 2025, 08:02:03 PM
Selling Duran reminds me of when Liverpool sold Torres for 50M to Chelsea. They clearly one that trade but then spent 35M of that money on Andy Carroll. There is a morel to the story somewhere.
How the story ends for us depends on how mushroom we've got PSR-wise.
Reckon that's a bit of a shit take.
I think he's right on the button.
This is Chest-nut funny.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2025, 08:04:18 PM
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2025, 08:06:02 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 30, 2025, 08:08:10 PM
Selling Duran reminds me of when Liverpool sold Torres for 50M to Chelsea. They clearly one that trade but then spent 35M of that money on Andy Carroll. There is a morel to the story somewhere.
… but also bought Suarez for far less.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 30, 2025, 08:09:27 PM
Genius
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 30, 2025, 08:10:48 PM
Also Disasi ain’t done yet cause of Felix - Emery really wants Felix. So a loan to buy deal or outright purchase being discussed, which then effects loan for disasi
Can't say I'm all that enthused about Felix coming, should it happen.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 30, 2025, 08:11:04 PM
Selling Duran reminds me of when Liverpool sold Torres for 50M to Chelsea. They clearly one that trade but then spent 35M of that money on Andy Carroll. There is a morel to the story somewhere.
How the story ends for us depends on how mushroom we've got PSR-wise.
Ahh - that old chestnut.
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2025, 08:17:37 PM
Also Disasi ain’t done yet cause of Felix - Emery really wants Felix. So a loan to buy deal or outright purchase being discussed, which then effects loan for disasi
Delap is as likely as Villa selling Watkins to Arsenal. I can see us going there in the summer though.
Felix, if Emery wants him, just buy him, spread it on a 5 year plan and hope for the best. A Saudi side I'll buy him in 2 years if it goes to shit. Then loan to buy Disasi.
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2025, 08:20:11 PM
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Post by: Dave on January 30, 2025, 08:32:58 PM
Will he get games if Watkins remains fit?
They play in different positions, so I don't see why not.
Post by: Steve67 on January 30, 2025, 08:34:48 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2025, 08:36:22 PM
Felix and Rogers in the same side would be quite a thing.
With Ramsey and behind Watkins who creates a lot of space with his running. I think that's a world class front 4 and we'd still have some very good players to replace them from the bench as well.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2025, 08:36:33 PM
Felix and Rogers in the same side would be quite a thing.
Felix, Rogers and Ramsey behind Watkins could be pretty fucking spectacular.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2025, 08:37:37 PM
Will he get games if Watkins remains fit?
They play in different positions, so I don't see why not.
Indeed we would we be very light in striker back up. I suppose Malen could play there.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2025, 08:41:43 PM
Felix and Rogers in the same side would be quite a thing.
Ramsey, Rogers and Felix, behind Watkins could be pretty fucking spectacular.
We'd need a rock solid defence though. Can't see Felix tracking back much.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2025, 08:43:21 PM
Felix and Rogers in the same side would be quite a thing.
Ramsey, Rogers and Felix, behind Watkins could be pretty fucking spectacular.
We'd need a rock solid defence though. Can't see Felix tracking back much.
Luckily that part of our game is absolutely spot on…..
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2025, 08:51:01 PM
Will he get games if Watkins remains fit?
They play in different positions, so I don't see why not.
Indeed we would we be very light in striker back up. I suppose Malen could play there.
I think that "Malen is Duran's replacement, not Bailey's competition" is underpriced.
Dortmund bought him on the strength of his best ever season, which was at centre-forward. They then put him mainly on the wing for two years and he wasn't as good.
I reckon if Arsenal did buy Watkins and decided they wanted to play him cutting in from the right, he'd be less good than he is for us. That's Malen at Dortmund.
It's also possible of course than Malen is a brilliant Eredivisie striker and Afonso Alves in England.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2025, 08:53:45 PM
Felix and Rogers in the same side would be quite a thing.
Ramsey, Rogers and Felix, behind Watkins could be pretty fucking spectacular.
We'd need a rock solid defence though. Can't see Felix tracking back much.
Luckily that part of our game is absolutely spot on…..
Indeed. I'm still gutted Badé turned us down. What was he thinking? They had 'Arouna Sangante, the current captain of Le Havre in Ligue 1. At 22 years old, the Senegalese defender has proven to be a leader in the French team, with performances that stand out for his security and ability to anticipate the opponent. His youth and potential make him a perfect fit for what the Seville club is looking for'.
€5m release clause too. Get him in and take Felix on loan. Do not buy him!
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2025, 09:10:17 PM
She'll be rising
She'll find the note I left hanging
On her door
She'll laugh when she reads the part
That says I'm leaving
'Cause I've left that girl so many times before
Post by: BoVillan esq on January 30, 2025, 09:14:33 PM
Felix and Rogers in the same side would be quite a thing.
Felix, Rogers and Ramsey behind Watkins could be pretty fucking spectacular.
Agree, hope Ollie can see that.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 30, 2025, 09:48:21 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2025, 09:48:45 PM
Hope we don't go for Evan Ferguson, Hove Seagulls are listening to offers.Not liked by the locals round here, never really produced, injuries at a young age and seems to enjoy the nightlife.
Always suspected he was a boozer, taking far too long to get over his injuries. Hold up play is abysmal and lack of mobility a huge issue.
Aaron Connolly went down the same path didn't he?
Yep, very similar. Remember Connolly playing for Ireland away from home in some important qualifier in his early days. Limped off with cramp after about 60mins, ex manager Brian Kerr on co-comm made a barbed comment about 20 year olds shouldnt be limping off with cramp this early. Big brother women, multiple loan spell flops, stint in rehab last summer and in last chance saloon at Millwall now. Anthony Stokes another one, just about avoided jail recently in Dublin.
Whatever about Ferguson, who needs to wise up very quickly, the other two should have easily had long careers bottom PL/top championship level. Both had far more ability than someone like Andi Weimann for example but pissed it all away.
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2025, 10:03:07 PM
I'd be happy with Felix. He's a technically brilliant player who I suspect just needs to be given a steady run of games under a decent manager.
Surely Pochettino and Simeone are decent managers? He bombed under both.
Post by: Villafirst on January 30, 2025, 10:10:31 PM
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2025, 10:10:53 PM
I'd be happy with Felix. He's a technically brilliant player who I suspect just needs to be given a steady run of games under a decent manager.
Surely Pochettino and Simeone are decent managers? He bombed under both.
A manager who actually wants him is probably a better way to see it.
Post by: AV84 on January 30, 2025, 10:25:24 PM
Felix doesn't really convince me. Only one goal in 12 Premier League games so far for Chelsea.
Some of those games he's only played a few minutes in. 6 minutes against Wolves, 9 against Bournemouth, 1 against Spurs, 4 against us. So it's 1 goal in about 2 hours of football.
Post by: Beard82 on January 30, 2025, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2025, 10:27:19 PM
I'd be happy with Felix. He's a technically brilliant player who I suspect just needs to be given a steady run of games under a decent manager.
Surely Pochettino and Simeone are decent managers? He bombed under both.
A manager who actually wants him is probably a better way to see it.
Didn't Simeone sign him? They spent a fortune for Athletico on him but flopped. You don't go to Athletico without knowing out of possession you need to work incredibly hard. But he wouldn't bother and eventually got bombed out.
It's January, so it's only those players out of favour or with contracts running down that are really on the market. Asensio is another one, like Felix, has played for top clubs and a top international side. He hasn't the mobility to play on our right so it's another 10 or nowhere. Those lads flatter to deceive really, for most of their careers too.
If it's a project we are looking for to regenerate an out of favour attacking player, there's only one that we should be going for.
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2025, 10:34:21 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 30, 2025, 10:48:32 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 30, 2025, 10:53:39 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 30, 2025, 10:55:40 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 10:59:22 PM
@MailSport
Post by: LeonW on January 30, 2025, 11:00:56 PM
🚨💣 Aston Villa are weighing up a bid for Matheus Cunha after selling Jhon Durán — Wolves value him at £70m.
@MailSport
Cunha, a much better option than Felix and Assensio.
Post by: AV84 on January 30, 2025, 11:01:47 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 11:03:29 PM
That would basically be all the money on one player. Worth it?Amortisation over a contract, no. Then you have most transfer fees are paid on drip these days.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 30, 2025, 11:06:35 PM
🚨💣 Aston Villa are weighing up a bid for Matheus Cunha after selling Jhon Durán — Wolves value him at £70m.
@MailSport
Cunha, a much better option than Felix and Assensio.
Seconded.
Do we have room for more than three in the CL squad now with the players out? It must be at least four surely?
Post by: Dave P on January 30, 2025, 11:07:08 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2025, 11:08:15 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 30, 2025, 11:12:37 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2025, 11:18:42 PM
He is more established at this level and seems to have fewer question marks over his character.
My Tatters mates think he's had his arse in his hands for the last month or so since rumours of a move started.
I'm a bit surprised UE hasn't bought more players in he's worked with before, Baena seems the right profile but paper talk of the Saudis offering big money for him as well.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 30, 2025, 11:21:26 PM
🚨💣 Aston Villa are weighing up a bid for Matheus Cunha after selling Jhon Durán — Wolves value him at £70m.
@MailSport
Cunha, a much better option than Felix and Assensio.
I agree.
Felix and Asensio sound like us going after players who have already rejected us once.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 30, 2025, 11:25:28 PM
🚨💣 Aston Villa are weighing up a bid for Matheus Cunha after selling Jhon Durán — Wolves value him at £70m.
@MailSport
Cunha, a much better option than Felix and Assensio.
You’d hope so at nearly twice the price.
Post by: caster troy on January 30, 2025, 11:28:52 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 30, 2025, 11:31:07 PM
Post by: Mellin on January 30, 2025, 11:41:25 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2025, 11:42:47 PM
Felix would at least offer us an alternative.
Post by: Tuscans on January 30, 2025, 11:48:49 PM
@partidazocope
Monchi: “João Félix & Marco Asensio? They are two similar players & Unai’s taste. Neither of them is easy. One at the salary level & the other at the cost level. But yes, they are players who attract Unai.”
@partidazocope
Monchi: “If there is a coach who is known for recovering players & getting the most out of them, it is Unai Emery. In the end, if the player has talent, & João Félix has it, it is a matter of finding the right environment.”
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 30, 2025, 11:50:20 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 30, 2025, 11:58:14 PM
Considering Duran has been here 2 years, his fee was small to start with, practically all of his sale will be profit. Probably enough to spend a decent amount, but not all on Cunha. He's worth more than that to Wolves though
Why not all? As you say, Duran fee is virtually all profit, landing in the accounts this year. Whatever we spend on Cunha is spread over the length of his contract.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2025, 12:16:09 AM
https://x.com/villareport/status/1885114116127297854
Post by: Garyth on January 31, 2025, 12:24:33 AM
I think that "Malen is Duran's replacement, not Bailey's competition" is underpriced.
….
Agree on this. He was one of the hottest things in Europe playing in a front two - then Dortmund played him out wide. Seems like he never quite fit into their system.
Another one where Emery values flexibility, I guess.
Post by: ROBBO on January 31, 2025, 12:27:26 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 04:12:47 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 07:06:51 AM
I feel quite sorry for Unai at the moment. I think FFP has massively screwed him being able to get his top targets, so he's worked miracles with essentially Gerrard's side plus Rogers and Youri, but he needs more of his own targets. If he thinks Felix is the missing but, just get him and trust him.
Post by: steamer on January 31, 2025, 07:34:09 AM
Everyone we mention seems to fade
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2025, 08:29:14 AM
Because the Money they, and other PL club get for taking part if much bigger than ours due a "value" pillar. Literally everywhere you look you see the game is just fucked.
I feel sorry for Unai - the amount of shit he has to put up with and work around just to overcome rules set up to protect various vested interests.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 31, 2025, 08:42:25 AM
Not to mention big gate receipts and €77m for Duran.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 08:44:27 AM
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2025, 09:12:46 AM
I think the lack of apparent progress on Disasi is a big indicator we’re in for Felix. But we cannot sleep on this, we need a quality forward and defender.
You would hope that the situation with Duran and the ability to spend may have led to revisiting the defensive targets list…they will also have the latest statuses on Torres / Mings and Cash injuries. Guess it’s quite possible that Disasi isn’t the only defensive loan/permant player we are looking at?
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 09:16:22 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2025, 09:18:34 AM
There were quotes yesterday saying that two of our targets were financial issues, one the asking price and one the wages. Who do we think that applies to? I'm sure I saw people say Felix wouldn't cost as much as Chelsea paid for him, but his wages are probably high. So who's the expensive price player?
It was Felix and Asensio.
Post by: caster troy on January 31, 2025, 09:18:46 AM
There were quotes yesterday saying that two of our targets were financial issues, one the asking price and one the wages. Who do we think that applies to? I'm sure I saw people say Felix wouldn't cost as much as Chelsea paid for him, but his wages are probably high. So who's the expensive price player?
I think it was Felix (fee) and Asensio (wages)
Post by: jwarry on January 31, 2025, 09:20:58 AM
There were quotes yesterday saying that two of our targets were financial issues, one the asking price and one the wages. Who do we think that applies to? I'm sure I saw people say Felix wouldn't cost as much as Chelsea paid for him, but his wages are probably high. So who's the expensive price player?
Think it’s the other was around. Felix is price and Asensio is wages as he’s on 295k a week
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2025, 09:21:48 AM
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 09:22:33 AM
When does the Window Slam Shut?
End of Monday is when we pack our war-chest away until the summer.
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2025, 09:23:42 AM
Who would people (who know more than me) prefer?
Post by: jwarry on January 31, 2025, 09:25:16 AM
🟣🔵 Aston Villa director Monchi also confirms Marco Asensio as a target: “João Félix & Marco Asensio? They are two similar players and Unai’s taste. Neither of them is easy”.
“One at the salary level, the other at the cost level. But yes, they are players who attract Unai”.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 31, 2025, 09:25:44 AM
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 09:26:18 AM
I have no idea who Asensio is, and he earns >£15m a year. Nice. I know who Felix is, but I do't think I've ever seen him play more than 10 mins (for Chelsea).
Who would people (who know more than me) prefer?
Felix, definitely.
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2025, 09:26:34 AM
Is Asensio any good?
Yes.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 31, 2025, 09:28:11 AM
Is Asensio any good?
Yes.
In that case I'll take one Asensio, please. And some of those little gherkins.
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 09:30:07 AM
Is Asensio any good?
Yes.
I think he'd have been a good option for the "pushing into the top half" Villa. I just look at players like Carlos Soler and Pablo Sarabia at West Ham and Wolves who have followed the same route of "Spanish internationals who did really well in Spain, weren't very good at PSG so have now been punted out to the benches of shit Premier League clubs".
Maybe Asensio bucks that trend, but I wouldn't be putting money on it.
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2025, 09:30:49 AM
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 09:35:21 AM
Is Asensio any good?
Yes.
I think he'd have been a good option for the "pushing into the top half" Villa. I just look at players like Carlos Soler and Pablo Sarabia at West Ham and Wolves who have followed the same route of "Spanish internationals who did really well in Spain, weren't very good at PSG so have now been punted out to the benches of shit Premier League clubs".
Maybe Asensio bucks that trend, but I wouldn't be putting money on it.
Nothing about Asensio in the last 2 years suggests he'd be a success. At least Felix has had flashes of looking good and is an age Unai can work with to bring the best from. If it is between the 2, Felix all day long please. Which means we'll end up with Asensio.
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2025, 09:35:22 AM
Is Asensio any good?
Yes.
I think he'd have been a good option for the "pushing into the top half" Villa. I just look at players like Carlos Soler and Pablo Sarabia at West Ham and Wolves who have followed the same route of "Spanish internationals who did really well in Spain, weren't very good at PSG so have now been punted out to the benches of shit Premier League clubs".
Maybe Asensio bucks that trend, but I wouldn't be putting money on it.
I get that, though both West Ham and Wulvz are basket cases.
Post by: Dick Edwards on January 31, 2025, 09:36:42 AM
Is Asensio any good?He played over 100 games for Real Madrid and was certainly good for them. Don’t know about his time at PSG
Post by: Clive W on January 31, 2025, 09:38:39 AM
“ Was it ever a choice between selling either Durán or Watkins? Was it ever that simple? Villa’s issues with profitability and sustainability rules (PSR) remain a major headache for the club, and every deal this month has been scrutinised to the last detail.
Donyell Malen, the £19.5 million capture from Borussia Dortmund, could only arrive when Jaden Philogene joined Ipswich Town for a similar amount.“
Post by: caster troy on January 31, 2025, 09:40:32 AM
I have no idea who Asensio is, and he earns >£15m a year. Nice. I know who Felix is, but I do't think I've ever seen him play more than 10 mins (for Chelsea).
Who would people (who know more than me) prefer?
Definitely Felix. He's still only 25 and has an incredibly high ceiling, if Unai can get a tune out of him he'd be incredible. Asensio would be more of a Coutinho style signing, scored a few bangers for Madrid but possibly now past his best.
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2025, 09:42:57 AM
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2025, 09:50:34 AM
1. Keep Ollie
2. Get a CB (on loan if the right one isnt available)
3. Get a Forward (on loan if the right one isnt available)
We cant afford to waste the Duran money - so if the right players arent available lets get a body or 2 in till the end of the season and hope for some luck
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2025, 09:52:55 AM
Think prioritises for the rest of the window are.
1. Keep Ollie
2. Get a CB (on loan if the right one isnt available)
3. Get a Forward (on loan if the right one isnt available)
We cant afford to waste the Duran money - so if the right players arent available lets get a body or 2 in till the end of the season and hope for some luck
I definitely get where you're coming from, but I'd say go for it and take a risk. We need to re-qualify for Europe to keep some of our better players. Maybe, just maybe, with another dimension (Felix?) we could go on a run and do something really special this season.
Post by: lovejoy on January 31, 2025, 09:57:16 AM
So despite the fact we finished above Man City they have earnt more from the Champions League than us.
Because the Money they, and other PL club get for taking part if much bigger than ours due a "value" pillar. Literally everywhere you look you see the game is just fucked.
I feel sorry for Unai - the amount of shit he has to put up with and work around just to overcome rules set up to protect various vested interests.
I've asked Keiran Mcguire to explain this on twitter. Its just money for big team, ring-fencing and completly anti-competitive.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 31, 2025, 10:01:03 AM
There were quotes yesterday saying that two of our targets were financial issues, one the asking price and one the wages. Who do we think that applies to? I'm sure I saw people say Felix wouldn't cost as much as Chelsea paid for him, but his wages are probably high. So who's the expensive price player?
Felix is the expensive price, Asensio expensive wages.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2025, 10:03:42 AM
I have no idea who Asensio is, and he earns >£15m a year. Nice.
No, Paris.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 10:10:00 AM
I much prefer cunha
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 31, 2025, 10:18:42 AM
Surely felix on loan is best option for us? If they reject that then i would like elswhere.
I much prefer cunha
Make your mind up. One minute you're saying you like Elswhere, next you want Cunha.
Post by: jwarry on January 31, 2025, 10:25:41 AM
Is Asensio any good?He played over 100 games for Real Madrid and was certainly good for them. Don’t know about his time at PSG
And three champions league medals…
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2025, 10:27:58 AM
Post by: jwarry on January 31, 2025, 10:31:26 AM
I have no idea who Asensio is, and he earns >£15m a year. Nice. I know who Felix is, but I do't think I've ever seen him play more than 10 mins (for Chelsea).
Who would people (who know more than me) prefer?
Definitely Felix. He's still only 25 and has an incredibly high ceiling, if Unai can get a tune out of him he'd be incredible. Asensio would be more of a Coutinho style signing, scored a few bangers for Madrid but possibly now past his best.
If you told me three years a go we would be discussing which of Felix of Asensio we would prefer I would have said you were in cloud cuckoo land
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2025, 10:41:28 AM
Post by: caster troy on January 31, 2025, 10:48:43 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2025, 10:51:13 AM
One or the other I reckon. Both would be amazing. Rogers, Assensio and Felix in behind Ollie with Onana and Kamara, McGinn, JJ etc also involved. Could Felix and Assensio play in the same team?
JJ will be more than 'involved'.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2025, 10:55:08 AM
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 10:57:57 AM
We won't get both, I don't think we could fit them in the Champions League squad updates even if we could afford them.
I think this is correct:
We can add three players for the next Champions League squad. If we lose five players from our initial squad we can add a fourth - so Carlos, Gauci and Philogene already gone with Duran to follow.
That feels a lot like Ned out of the door too, to mean we can add four players. But we won't be adding a club-trained player to replace Philogene (unless something odd happens in the next four days). So we can actually still only add three.
Malen definitely to be added, and it's then a case of are the other two Garcia plus one other, or are we relying on Cash / Konsa / Bogarde at right-back and we're adding two others. Presumably another attacker and centre-back.
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2025, 11:00:04 AM
Our valuation of players will have increased as it's January. And we're Top 8 Champions League, so the price has gone up again.
Unless we're planning to go back in for Bade as first choice......
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 11:02:21 AM
Surely felix on loan is best option for us? If they reject that then i would like elswhere.
I much prefer cunha
Make your mind up. One minute you're saying you like Elswhere, next you want Cunha.
Let me explain for you my position. If we are after felix then i would prefer a loan. But my personal preference is cunha over felix
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2025, 11:09:07 AM
We won't get both, I don't think we could fit them in the Champions League squad updates even if we could afford them.
I think this is correct:
We can add three players for the next Champions League squad. If we lose five players from our initial squad we can add a fourth - so Carlos, Gauci and Philogene already gone with Duran to follow.
That feels a lot like Ned out of the door too, to mean we can add four players. But we won't be adding a club-trained player to replace Philogene (unless something odd happens in the next four days). So we can actually still only add three.
Malen definitely to be added, and it's then a case of are the other two Garcia plus one other, or are we relying on Cash / Konsa / Bogarde at right-back and we're adding two others. Presumably another attacker and centre-back.
I get confused with all this.
Can we not use Barry as the club-trained and therefore add 4?
Out
Carlos
Philogene
Gauci
Duran (99%)
Nedeljkovic (likely)
In
Malen
Garcia (probable)
Leaves space for 2 more?
What about Louie Barry?
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 11:09:36 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2025, 11:11:12 AM
He's now at Hull isn't he?
Oh FFS. Of course he is. I've got too much going on.
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2025, 11:15:33 AM
Ok - Im assuming the hold up preparing bids is because we're waiting for the paper with the new Company Letterhead to come in, and the fax machine to warm up .When does the Window Slam Shut?
End of Monday is when we pack our war-chest away until the summer.
Post by: algy on January 31, 2025, 11:19:31 AM
I have to say, I'm not happy with how this window is going. We're giving far too much time for other clubs to brace themselves in advance of our bids.Ok - Im assuming the hold up preparing bids is because we're waiting for the paper with the new Company Letterhead to come in, and the fax machine to warm up .When does the Window Slam Shut?
End of Monday is when we pack our war-chest away until the summer.
Post by: caster troy on January 31, 2025, 11:22:23 AM
We won't get both, I don't think we could fit them in the Champions League squad updates even if we could afford them.
I think this is correct:
We can add three players for the next Champions League squad. If we lose five players from our initial squad we can add a fourth - so Carlos, Gauci and Philogene already gone with Duran to follow.
That feels a lot like Ned out of the door too, to mean we can add four players. But we won't be adding a club-trained player to replace Philogene (unless something odd happens in the next four days). So we can actually still only add three.
Malen definitely to be added, and it's then a case of are the other two Garcia plus one other, or are we relying on Cash / Konsa / Bogarde at right-back and we're adding two others. Presumably another attacker and centre-back.
I get confused with all this.
Can we not use Barry as the club-trained and therefore add 4?
Out
Carlos
Philogene
Gauci
Duran (99%)
Nedeljkovic (likely)
In
Malen
Garcia (probable)
Leaves space for 2 more?
What about Louie Barry?
Buendia out too?
I think the plan is to add four assuming Ned also leaves. Malen, Garcia, new '10,' new right CB.
Once Duran goes if we can get Felix on a permanent Disasi will join on loan. If we can't get Felix permanently we will try to get him on loan and will have to go elsewhere for a CB (Foyth?).
No Felix = Asensio on loan. Not sure what plan C is, I can't see Wolves selling Cunha in this window and even if they were prepared to name a price it would be inflated given the circumstances of both clubs.
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 11:25:34 AM
Buendia out too?
I think the plan is to add four assuming Ned also leaves. Malen, Garcia, new '10,' new right CB.
Once Duran goes if we can get Felix on a permanent Disasi will join on loan. If we can't get Felix permanently we will try to get him on loan and will have to go elsewhere for a CB (Foyth?).
No Felix = Asensio on loan. Not sure what plan C is, I can't see Wolves selling Cunha in this window and even if they were prepared to name a price it would be inflated given the circumstances of both clubs.
Sorry, you're quite right. Buendia too.
And yes - based on the noise, all those moving parts feel about right to me.
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2025, 11:26:23 AM
Not seen that, and they, along with everyone else, can fuck off anyway.
Our valuation of players will have increased as it's January. And we're Top 8 Champions League, so the price has gone up again.
Unless we're planning to go back in for Bade as first choice......
My gut feeling is that Bade turned us down because Liverpool told him they want him but won't move for him until the summer. Don't see Liverpool wanting both Bade AND Konsa.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2025, 11:30:23 AM
Think prioritises for the rest of the window are.
1. Keep Ollie
2. Get a CB (on loan if the right one isnt available)
3. Get a Forward (on loan if the right one isnt available)
We cant afford to waste the Duran money - so if the right players arent available lets get a body or 2 in till the end of the season and hope for some luck
I would agree with the above. I'm really not sure we need a 'number 10' type player, as we already have a number of options who can play there.
Replacing Carlos is surely a priority, along with Duran unless Malen can play the lone striker role. Getting another proper wide right option would also be near the top of my list of priorities.
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2025, 11:33:01 AM
Buendia out too?
I think the plan is to add four assuming Ned also leaves. Malen, Garcia, new '10,' new right CB.
Once Duran goes if we can get Felix on a permanent Disasi will join on loan. If we can't get Felix permanently we will try to get him on loan and will have to go elsewhere for a CB (Foyth?).
No Felix = Asensio on loan. Not sure what plan C is, I can't see Wolves selling Cunha in this window and even if they were prepared to name a price it would be inflated given the circumstances of both clubs.
Sorry, you're quite right. Buendia too.
And yes - based on the noise, all those moving parts feel about right to me.
Bloody hell, missed Buendia!
I think that summary is good. That's an awful lot of change isn't it? But in summary, it feels like an improvement. Carlos, and Philogene won't be missed by most. Buendia is a shame, but he's never quite done enough. Gauci gets development. Nedeljkovic needs games. Duran will go down in history, cult hero style.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 31, 2025, 11:34:34 AM
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 31, 2025, 11:41:05 AM
Surely felix on loan is best option for us? If they reject that then i would like elswhere.Surely felix on loan is best option for us? If they reject that then i would like elswhere.
I much prefer cunha
Cunha would cost double Felix’s fee I reckon and probably near his ceiling price. A performing Felix could easily double in price (I’m assuming we pay similar to what Chelsea paid). I agree a loan would be ideal for Felix but that would then make the loan of Disasi impossible, so adds further complications.
In summary, I hope Monchi hadn’t planned to sleep over the next few days.
Post by: Chris Smith on January 31, 2025, 11:42:59 AM
Ok - Im assuming the hold up preparing bids is because we're waiting for the paper with the new Company Letterhead to come in, and the fax machine to warm up .When does the Window Slam Shut?
End of Monday is when we pack our war-chest away until the summer.
It’s run out of toner and Janice is the only one who knows how to change it and she doesn’t work on Fridays.
Post by: jwarry on January 31, 2025, 11:50:18 AM
Surely felix on loan is best option for us? If they reject that then i would like elswhere.
I much prefer cunha
Make your mind up. One minute you're saying you like Elswhere, next you want Cunha.
Let me explain for you my position. If we are after felix then i would prefer a loan. But my personal preference is cunha over felix
Whoosh
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 12:04:55 PM
Surely felix on loan is best option for us? If they reject that then i would like elswhere.Surely felix on loan is best option for us? If they reject that then i would like elswhere.
I much prefer cunha
Cunha would cost double Felix’s fee I reckon and probably near his ceiling price. A performing Felix could easily double in price (I’m assuming we pay similar to what Chelsea paid). I agree a loan would be ideal for Felix but that would then make the loan of Disasi impossible, so adds further complications.
In summary, I hope Monchi hadn’t planned to sleep over the next few days.
I think cunha will want less in wages though. Felix is on crazy wages
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 12:06:52 PM
I think cunha will want less in wages though. Felix is on crazy wages
What salary do you think he's earning?
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 12:11:15 PM
Post by: john e on January 31, 2025, 12:11:50 PM
I think cunha will want less in wages though. Felix is on crazy wages
What salary do you think he's earning?
Don’t know but in totally unrelated and useless information my first wage was £19 a week back in 1978
You could run a car have a couple of good nights out and watch john Gidman and Andy Gray at the weekend on that back then
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 31, 2025, 12:13:46 PM
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 12:14:39 PM
The wisdom seems to be £130k a week for Felix at Chelsea. Cunha would want around that I would think.
Indeed, that's the figure I've seen too. So about what Watkins is earning and a bit less than Kamara is supposed to be on.
Which doesn't seem that "crazy" to me.
Post by: john e on January 31, 2025, 12:15:17 PM
I was born in 1978 and got none of that.
Young whippersnapper
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2025, 12:16:53 PM
I was born in 1978 and got none of that.
Yeah, but John hasn't got his National Record of Achievement like us, and what price can you put on that?
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 12:19:29 PM
The wisdom seems to be £130k a week for Felix at Chelsea. Cunha would want around that I would think.
Indeed, that's the figure I've seen too. So about what Watkins is earning and a bit less than Kamara is supposed to be on.
Which doesn't seem that "crazy" to me.
Nor me. I would also I think prefer to buy Felix and give Unai the player he really wants, and loan in Disasi as cover, than try and penny pinch and find an alternative. Monchi had already said a chunk of Duran money will have to go to FFP, so we are clearly hands tied again. I would sooner get Felix in and get Unai working with him and find a couple of decent loans to augment the squad. Mind you if I'm Chelsea I wouldn't sell anyone to Villa right now.
Post by: john e on January 31, 2025, 12:20:47 PM
I was born in 1978 and got none of that.
Yeah, but John hasn't got his National Record of Achievement like us, and what price can you put on that?
I feel as though I’ve missed out big time
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2025, 12:26:00 PM
The wisdom seems to be £130k a week for Felix at Chelsea. Cunha would want around that I would think.
And £125-150k is exactly what I'd expect us to have to pay for a player that improves our best 11 in attack.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 12:26:33 PM
I think cunha will want less in wages though. Felix is on crazy wages
What salary do you think he's earning?
Looking online its 130k a week
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2025, 12:27:08 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2025, 12:28:03 PM
Post by: john e on January 31, 2025, 12:32:39 PM
Whereas if Asensio took a 50% pay cut he'd still be our best paid player.
It’s all been downhill for the lad since he starred in coming to America with Eddie Murphy
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 12:33:41 PM
I think cunha will want less in wages though. Felix is on crazy wages
What salary do you think he's earning?
Looking online its 130k a week
And while these online figures should all be taken with a pinch of salt, that's supposedly less than we are paying Malen or Onana. So not that "crazy"
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 12:36:40 PM
I think cunha will want less in wages though. Felix is on crazy wages
What salary do you think he's earning?
Looking online its 130k a week
And while these online figures should all be taken with a pinch of salt, that's supposedly less than we are paying Malen or Onana. So not that "crazy"
Your making assumption he wouldn't want more money ?
Just to add further context cunha earns around 60k a week so much more likely to fit our wage structure wouldnt you agree?
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 12:38:16 PM
I think cunha will want less in wages though. Felix is on crazy wages
What salary do you think he's earning?
Looking online its 130k a week
And while these online figures should all be taken with a pinch of salt, that's supposedly less than we are paying Malen or Onana. So not that "crazy"
Your making assumption he wouldn't want more money ?
Just to add further context cunha earns around 60k a week so much more likely to fit our wage structure wouldnt you agree?
I'm making no assumptions. I'm just disputing that £130,000 for a Premier League football is "crazy wages".
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2025, 12:39:34 PM
Whereas if Asensio took a 50% pay cut he'd still be our best paid player.
It’s all been downhill for the lad since he starred in coming to America with Eddie Murphy
Working at McDowell's broke his spirit.
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2025, 12:48:27 PM
So despite the fact we finished above Man City they have earnt more from the Champions League than us.
Because the Money they, and other PL club get for taking part if much bigger than ours due a "value" pillar. Literally everywhere you look you see the game is just fucked.
I feel sorry for Unai - the amount of shit he has to put up with and work around just to overcome rules set up to protect various vested interests.
I've asked Keiran Mcguire to explain this on twitter. Its just money for big team, ring-fencing and completly anti-competitive.
Spotify doing the same. It stinks, it sucks, it's anthropolgically unjust. But the takings are up by a third, cvnts are still running the world.
Post by: London Villan on January 31, 2025, 12:50:32 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2025, 12:53:01 PM
What is all this about Konsa being wanted by Liverpool for £41m? Any legs. Literally I am very far behind stuff this week.
I think you're confusing Konsa with Suarez. Arsenal still hoping that Liverpool will accept the release clause bid of £40m + £1m. Luis is still in no man's land after all these years.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 31, 2025, 12:54:24 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 12:57:35 PM
i must admit i did think it was more than that to be honestI think cunha will want less in wages though. Felix is on crazy wages
What salary do you think he's earning?
Looking online its 130k a week
And while these online figures should all be taken with a pinch of salt, that's supposedly less than we are paying Malen or Onana. So not that "crazy"
Your making assumption he wouldn't want more money ?
Just to add further context cunha earns around 60k a week so much more likely to fit our wage structure wouldnt you agree?
I'm making no assumptions. I'm just disputing that £130,000 for a Premier League football is "crazy wages".
Post by: FatSam on January 31, 2025, 12:58:03 PM
At least the royal penis is clean!Whereas if Asensio took a 50% pay cut he'd still be our best paid player.
It’s all been downhill for the lad since he starred in coming to America with Eddie Murphy
Post by: johnc on January 31, 2025, 01:01:40 PM
The tea lady in Real Madrid has 3 CL medalsIs Asensio any good?He played over 100 games for Real Madrid and was certainly good for them. Don’t know about his time at PSG
And three champions league medals…
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on January 31, 2025, 01:08:31 PM
Oh, apparently she has.
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2025, 01:12:22 PM
In my head at least, I don’t think Chelsea or Felix are in a position to demand more than they agreed in the summer. Considering how it’s gone, both parties should be happy to exit breaking even.Only downside is we couldn’t have made it more obvious we desperately want him.
Unai been like a 14 year old schoolboy with a crush for about 2 years so we might have come across a bit strong
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 01:13:25 PM
In my head at least, I don’t think Chelsea or Felix are in a position to demand more than they agreed in the summer. Considering how it’s gone, both parties should be happy to exit breaking even.Only downside is we couldn’t have made it more obvious we desperately want him.
Unai been like a 14 year old schoolboy with a crush for about 2 years so we might have come across a bit strong
And at this point in the window, given the time and the Duran windfall we're unlikely to be in much a position to walk away just to save a few pounds.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 31, 2025, 01:23:01 PM
Ultimately we shouldn’t be held to ransom.
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Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 01:41:33 PM
Will the last player to leave Bodymoor Heath, please turn out the lights...
Too late, all gone
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Post by: villadelph on January 31, 2025, 02:04:56 PM
So Brighton apparently rejected at £90 bid for Mitoma? I really like him but cant help feel we've been short changed on Duran.
Isn't Duran's fee close to that once add-ons are considered (if achieved)?
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2025, 02:05:10 PM
So Brighton apparently rejected at £90 bid for Mitoma? I really like him but cant help feel we've been short changed on Duran.
Don't blame them.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 31, 2025, 02:09:17 PM
It is probably the last chance to get top dollar before he turns 30 and starts to drop off in value and ability. His game revolves around hard work, and it will suffer when he loses pace and stamina as he ages.
We would need to be able to bring in a good player straightaway and another (like Jonathon David) in the summer.
In the past losing star players really affected us badly, but Emery and Monchi managed to keep Sevilla competitive whilst cashing in on star players almost annually. I think we are probably better able to cope than we all think.
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@lequipe
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2025, 02:15:16 PM
So Brighton apparently rejected at £90 bid for Mitoma? I really like him but cant help feel we've been short changed on Duran.
Don't blame them.
They always seem to be able to get a replacement for 3 million . Think Id take that 90 mill.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2025, 02:15:36 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa have submitted an offer for Lens centre-back Kevin Danso.
@lequipe
be happy with him.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2025, 02:17:31 PM
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 02:19:57 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2025, 02:20:48 PM
Gomes is out of contract in the summer, so you'd reckon most of the league will be interested in him on a free. Imagine other teams without a functioning midfield would probably be more attractive to him though.
our most important signin is getting KAmara to sign a new contract
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 31, 2025, 02:21:08 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2025, 02:22:07 PM
We can only register 3 new players for Champions league. One of them has to be a new centre back, presumably Malan will be another one. That only leaves one more space for Garcia or Felix or another striker. Someone is going to miss out.
cant see it being a striker until the summer . he wants Felix so bad .
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 02:23:16 PM
We can only register 3 new players for Champions league. One of them has to be a new centre back, presumably Malan will be another one. That only leaves one more space for Garcia or Felix or another striker. Someone is going to miss out.
If we lose five players from the squad we registered at the start, we can register an extra player (so four)
Diego Carlos, Buendia, Gauci, Philogene, Duran.
If we lose another two, it goes up to five new ones, but that seems unlikely.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2025, 02:27:45 PM
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 31, 2025, 02:32:03 PM
And TBH, whilst it would be nice to have all the new signings for CL as well, we still need to ensure we have players for the PL to push on more there. So if one of the news ones happens to have rests midweek, they can be looked at more for PL starting.Yes. I accept this. But would a new signing (Garcia) accept this
Post by: john2710 on January 31, 2025, 02:34:30 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2025, 02:39:11 PM
I doubt Chelsea are going to do us any favours. It's quiet likely they will dick us about until the clock runs out. I'm sure that Emery & Monchi will have accounted for this.
I don't know, it seems we're on pretty good terms with them.
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2025, 02:39:30 PM
We can only register 3 new players for Champions league. One of them has to be a new centre back, presumably Malan will be another one. That only leaves one more space for Garcia or Felix or another striker. Someone is going to miss out.
If we lose five players from the squad we registered at the start, we can register an extra player (so four)
Diego Carlos, Buendia, Gauci, Philogene, Duran.
If we lose another two, it goes up to five new ones, but that seems unlikely.
Nedeljkovic may go but that's it, other than Player list B like Swinkels, Lutz who are both rumoured for loans.
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2025, 02:41:07 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa have submitted an offer for Lens centre-back Kevin Danso.
@lequipe
Would allow us to take Felix on loan.
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Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2025, 03:10:33 PM
Arsenal Sky still pushing the Ollie Watkins to Arsenal line now? They were desperate for it to happen from the bit I saw.
Ollie is happy to stay according to UE in the press conference. So Arsenal can do one!
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2025, 03:25:46 PM
Post by: algy on January 31, 2025, 03:28:49 PM
I think that's the route I'd like to see us take:🚨🧨 Aston Villa have submitted an offer for Lens centre-back Kevin Danso.
@lequipe
Would allow us to take Felix on loan.
- Sign Danso
- Felix on loan until the summer, with an option to buy
- Then buy Liam Delap & either Felix or Cunha in the summer depending on how well Felix does
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 03:28:57 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa have submitted an offer for Lens centre-back Kevin Danso.
@lequipe
Hold me closer Kevin Danso
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2025, 03:36:00 PM
I think that's the route I'd like to see us take:🚨🧨 Aston Villa have submitted an offer for Lens centre-back Kevin Danso.
@lequipe
Would allow us to take Felix on loan.
- Sign Danso
- Felix on loan until the summer, with an option to buy
- Then buy Liam Delap & either Felix or Cunha in the summer depending on how well Felix does
I'd be happy with that, if we can get Felix on loan until the summer without needing an obligation to buy it's be a great deal for us.
Post by: villadelph on January 31, 2025, 03:42:41 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa have submitted an offer for Lens centre-back Kevin Danso.
@lequipe
We are not alone,
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2025, 03:53:28 PM
I think that's the route I'd like to see us take:🚨🧨 Aston Villa have submitted an offer for Lens centre-back Kevin Danso.
@lequipe
Would allow us to take Felix on loan.
- Sign Danso
- Felix on loan until the summer, with an option to buy
- Then buy Liam Delap & either Felix or Cunha in the summer depending on how well Felix does
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2025, 04:01:10 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa have submitted an offer for Lens centre-back Kevin Danso.
@lequipe
Hold me closer Kevin Danso
Ha ha
I always sing Hold me closer Ted Danson to that one. After someone at work thought that was actually what the lyrics where.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 31, 2025, 04:08:15 PM
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Post by: Smithy on January 31, 2025, 04:10:11 PM
I'm going to be 'that guy', but Tiny is two syllables, how do you mix that up with Ted?
I've always used Tony Danza. Though you probably have to be a kid of the 80s to know who he is.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2025, 04:10:49 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 31, 2025, 04:11:01 PM
I'm going to be 'that guy', but Tiny is two syllables, how do you mix that up with Ted?
I've always used Tony Danza. Though you probably have to be a kid of the 80s to know who he is.
I don't know who that is! But it makes more sense.
Post by: murgsy on January 31, 2025, 04:11:14 PM
Post by: saint13 on January 31, 2025, 04:25:11 PM
I think that's the route I'd like to see us take:🚨🧨 Aston Villa have submitted an offer for Lens centre-back Kevin Danso.
@lequipe
Would allow us to take Felix on loan.
- Sign Danso
- Felix on loan until the summer, with an option to buy
- Then buy Liam Delap & either Felix or Cunha in the summer depending on how well Felix does
I would really like us to get Cunha. I think he is excellent.
That said, I like the look of Delap. He is raw but has a lot of potential.
Not convinced with either of the 2 from Chelsea.
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 04:25:22 PM
🚨💣 Aston Villa have emerged as one of the main interested parties in Marcus Rashford.
@MatteMoretto
Post by: Bosco81 on January 31, 2025, 04:36:01 PM
Goes by the name of Bertrand Traore !!
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2025, 04:39:59 PM
Here's one for you....
🚨💣 Aston Villa have emerged as one of the main interested parties in Marcus Rashford.
@MatteMoretto
No no no no no no no no.
Probably some dunce Italian journo confusing us with West Ham.
Post by: VillaTim on January 31, 2025, 04:40:14 PM
Here's one for you....That can't be true unless it's a short term loan
🚨💣 Aston Villa have emerged as one of the main interested parties in Marcus Rashford.
@MatteMoretto
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2025, 04:41:16 PM
Here's one for you....
🚨💣 Aston Villa have emerged as one of the main interested parties in Marcus Rashford.
@MatteMoretto
Wondered how long it would take one of the guess merchants on twatter to link us to him :-)
I guess we’ll say thanks but no thanks :-)
Still convinced he finishes season on loan at Everton
Post by: Richard E on January 31, 2025, 04:41:43 PM
Here's one for you....
🚨💣 Aston Villa have emerged as one of the main interested parties in Marcus Rashford.
@MatteMoretto
No, thank you.
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 04:41:52 PM
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@J_Tanswell
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@Tanziloic
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 04:43:41 PM
Ornstein now talking about Rashford. That's a fucking shocker.
I reckon he'll actually be pretty good at his next club. But given he'd be taking Ramsey's spot in the side, it seems unlikely that we're seeing that side of the attack as a priority.
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2025, 04:43:51 PM
Like...please don't do it. I've got a really patronising Man It'd fan pal who's always suggesting Villa sign their unwanted flotsam, and I'm always telling him Villa are better than that. To prove him right, and for Marcus fucking Rashford...please God no.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2025, 04:46:41 PM
🚨 Aston Villa considering move to sign Marcus Rashford on loan from Man Utd. 27yo preference Barcelona or #MUFC stay so would need convincing but #AVFC in talks on personal request of Unai Emery. By
@lauriewhitwell
@AdamCrafton_
@J_Tanswell
@TheAthleticFC
I've mentioned it elsewhere, Amorim has said he'd rather put the goalkeeping coach on the bench than a player who doesn't take training seriously (Rashford). Amorim is mates with Barca's head of sport/football, Deco. There is NO WAY Rashford is going to Barca.
Deco: "What do you think of Rashford?"
Amorim: "He's a twat!"
Deco: "Thought as much".
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2025, 04:46:59 PM
Unai. I love you. But what the fuck.
yeh...watch this. It won't improve how you feel. He WAS a superb player but something has massively changed in his life that he just can't be fucked anymore. I don't see how that attitude helps us unless somehow it is entirely tied to Man U, which is hard to believe.
https://x.com/WeAreTheOverlap/status/1884919654415548917
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2025, 04:47:52 PM
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 31, 2025, 04:48:23 PM
Ornstein now talking about Rashford. That's a fucking shocker.
I reckon he'll actually be pretty good at his next club. But given he'd be taking Ramsey's spot in the side, it seems unlikely that we're seeing that side of the attack as a priority.
There will be all sorts of rumours being leaked by agents etc to generate interest - most probably bollocks
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on January 31, 2025, 04:48:33 PM
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2025, 04:51:40 PM
Worst thing would be if Emery got a tune out of him that allowed United to make some serious coin out of him in the summer.
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 04:53:32 PM
Worst thing would be if Emery got a tune out of him that allowed United to make some serious coin out of him in the summer.
Don't know if that would be the worst thing, as it would suggest he'd done brilliantly for us and we'd had a great end to the season.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 31, 2025, 04:56:55 PM
Mad weekend ahead, FWIW I think Emery would work wonders with Rashford. Let's see who Monchi brings back from Madrid???
Apologies, whats the Madrid reference? Not another lads holiday with Viddy?
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 31, 2025, 04:59:22 PM
Post by: villadelph on January 31, 2025, 05:00:19 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2025, 05:00:53 PM
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1885369778031792425?s=46
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 05:01:41 PM
Post by: Matt C on January 31, 2025, 05:03:51 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 05:05:12 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 05:05:45 PM
Jacob Tanswell of the Atheltic who covers Villa: This end-of-transfer window read is going to be crazy... (and long)
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1885369778031792425?s=46
Can't read it.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 05:06:41 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 05:07:29 PM
There's nothing to read. It's the sentence Toronto wrote.Jacob Tanswell of the Atheltic who covers Villa: This end-of-transfer window read is going to be crazy... (and long)
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1885369778031792425?s=46
Can't read it.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 31, 2025, 05:10:18 PM
I'd take Rashford on loan with them paying a sizeable chunk of his wages. That would be fairly low risk. If we get the Rashford of a couple of years ago, great. If we get the more recent version, he fucks off back in the summer.
While this is true it’s not without risk
a) we will still have to pay a sizeable chunk of his wages that will be wasted, b) he will get substantial game time, even if he’s rubbish, which may impact results and c) he may destabilise team harmony
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 05:10:34 PM
Tottenham will explore other targets while Tel will consider other bids for loan/permanent move.
❗️ Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Aston Villa all in contact.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2025, 05:10:55 PM
I'd take Rashford on loan with them paying a sizeable chunk of his wages. That would be fairly low risk. If we get the Rashford of a couple of years ago, great. If we get the more recent version, he fucks off back in the summer.
Man U are claimed to be willing to pay half his wages to any club mad enough to take him off their hands but even then it would still be £150k a week.
Their problem. Let them suffer.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 05:12:05 PM
Go for tel he is much better player
Post by: jon collett on January 31, 2025, 05:12:59 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2025, 05:15:07 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on January 31, 2025, 05:15:26 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2025, 05:15:47 PM
Post by: algy on January 31, 2025, 05:16:41 PM
Honestly, I quite like Rashford but I think £300k/week off Manchester United’s budget and a player spreading discontent in their dressing room is worth more to us than paying £150k/week for a player who’s just “alright” and might not be the best for Ollie’s confidenceI'd take Rashford on loan with them paying a sizeable chunk of his wages. That would be fairly low risk. If we get the Rashford of a couple of years ago, great. If we get the more recent version, he fucks off back in the summer.
Man U are claimed to be willing to pay half his wages to any club mad enough to take him off their hands but even then it would still be £150 a week.
Their problem. Let them suffer.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2025, 05:17:21 PM
There's nothing to read. It's the sentence Toronto wrote.Jacob Tanswell of the Atheltic who covers Villa: This end-of-transfer window read is going to be crazy... (and long)
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1885369778031792425?s=46
Can't read it.
Yes. I post the link to show where I got it from.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 31, 2025, 05:18:53 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 05:19:00 PM
I know, I know...I was only saying to the other chap what the link showed.There's nothing to read. It's the sentence Toronto wrote.Jacob Tanswell of the Atheltic who covers Villa: This end-of-transfer window read is going to be crazy... (and long)
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1885369778031792425?s=46
Can't read it.
Yes. I post the link to show where I got it from.
Post by: Goldenballs on January 31, 2025, 05:20:05 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on January 31, 2025, 05:20:22 PM
Definitely a no, just based on his attitude at his own boyhood clubHonestly, I quite like Rashford but I think £300k/week off Manchester United’s budget and a player spreading discontent in their dressing room is worth more to us than paying £150k/week for a player who’s just “alright” and might not be the best for Ollie’s confidenceI'd take Rashford on loan with them paying a sizeable chunk of his wages. That would be fairly low risk. If we get the Rashford of a couple of years ago, great. If we get the more recent version, he fucks off back in the summer.
Man U are claimed to be willing to pay half his wages to any club mad enough to take him off their hands but even then it would still be £150 a week.
Their problem. Let them suffer.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 31, 2025, 05:21:15 PM
There's nothing to read. It's the sentence Toronto wrote.Jacob Tanswell of the Atheltic who covers Villa: This end-of-transfer window read is going to be crazy... (and long)
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1885369778031792425?s=46
Can't read it.
Yes. I post the link to show where I got it from.
I don’t think I understand what he’s saying. What read? What’s going to be long?
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 05:23:05 PM
What I was trying to say was the link is to Jacobs X account that says "This end-of-transfer window read is going to be crazy... (and long)"....meaning it's going to be a busy one until the end, for Villa and for him.There's nothing to read. It's the sentence Toronto wrote.Jacob Tanswell of the Atheltic who covers Villa: This end-of-transfer window read is going to be crazy... (and long)
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1885369778031792425?s=46
Can't read it.
Yes. I post the link to show where I got it from.
I don’t think I understand what he’s saying. What read? What’s going to be long?
Post by: enigma on January 31, 2025, 05:24:34 PM
Post by: villadelph on January 31, 2025, 05:24:37 PM
🚨🇫🇷 Mathys Tel and his agent are in Munich together to assess all options after rejecting Spurs proposal.
Tottenham will explore other targets while Tel will consider other bids for loan/permanent move.
❗️ Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Aston Villa all in contact.
That would be phenomenal.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2025, 05:26:07 PM
Lowest - any ****** on Twitter who suddenly wakes up as ITK that morning. 95% made up shit
Footy Insider - where FV gets his info is a collection of the Footy Insider but a little filtered. So let’s go 75% made up shit
Romano - he wants to be first to break anything but he’s a cast the net fisherman hoping to catch a special fish in amongst all the shit that he drags up including waste products, licence plates, used condoms etc. But there is decent content at times and he’s connected so let’s go with 50% made up.
It starts to get serious when the reputable local media reports on stuff. So if Townley picks up on something the bullshit goes down a lot but it’s not 100% accurate. So let’s drop the made up stuff to 25%.
The Athletic - time to get worried or happy. They are pretty good at sorting the good from bad. If Tanswell has jumped on board shit is about to get real. Let’s go with 10% made up
Percy/Ornstein - the top of the food chain and when they jump on board the walls have been cracked. Bullshit is now down to 5% if they stick their neck out. Time to crack the champagne or shit yourself.
I’ve probably missed some levels like TS, Sky, Red top media etc. Probably somewhere in between Footy Insider and Romano
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 05:29:25 PM
I know, I know...I was only saying to the other chap what the link showed.There's nothing to read. It's the sentence Toronto wrote.Jacob Tanswell of the Atheltic who covers Villa: This end-of-transfer window read is going to be crazy... (and long)
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1885369778031792425?s=46
Can't read it.
Yes. I post the link to show where I got it from.
Sorry, I thought it was a bunch of Tweets and can only see the first one. No worries.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 05:29:52 PM
Rashford? I can't see Emery going for that lazy fuck.
Thats what im holding out for and hoping this is bollocks. He wont put a shift in like unai wants
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 05:34:03 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 31, 2025, 05:36:54 PM
Craig Gardner (2005)
Shaun Maloney (2007)
Simon Dawkins (2013)
Yacouba Sylla (2013)
Michael Bradley (2011)
Neil Taylor (2017)
Scott Hogan (2017)
Lewis Grabbon (2018)
Frederic Gilbert (2019)
Tyrone Mings (2019)
Tom Carroll (2019)
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on January 31, 2025, 05:37:06 PM
Post by: lovejoy on January 31, 2025, 05:38:26 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 31, 2025, 05:38:34 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 05:40:07 PM
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2025, 05:41:12 PM
Players signed #OnThisDay for #AVFC:Fucking hell, we signed some shit.
Craig Gardner (2005)
Shaun Maloney (2007)
Simon Dawkins (2013)
Yacouba Sylla (2013)
Michael Bradley (2011)
Neil Taylor (2017)
Scott Hogan (2017)
Lewis Grabbon (2018)
Frederic Gilbert (2019)
Tyrone Mings (2019)
Tom Carroll (2019)
Simon Dawkins. How the hell he played professional football is an absolute mystery to me, even now.
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2025, 05:41:46 PM
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Post by: Chip Butty 111 on January 31, 2025, 05:43:56 PM
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2025, 05:46:14 PM
I’m not entirely sure he is as disinterested or batshit crazy as some make out.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 05:46:33 PM
Rashford is finished, he's completely on the Dele Alli trajectory. 100% no from me, he'd probably be pushing Ramsey to the bench too which is the last thing we want right now.
Ransey is a great player, so he'd only be keeping Ramsey out of the team if he played really exceptionally well*, which would be good, I imagine.
* or, more likely, if Ramsey got injured.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 05:48:21 PM
I wouldn’t be so quick as to write off Rashford.
I’m not entirely sure he is as disinterested or batshit crazy as some make out.
This is correct. I've already said he would be good a few pages ago, so I have to confess to a little disappointment that people are still arguing about it.
Good denizens of H&V, Rashford would be good. You have my word.
I hope that's the end of the matter.
Post by: Richard E on January 31, 2025, 05:48:34 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 31, 2025, 05:49:47 PM
I wouldn’t be so quick as to write off Rashford.
I’m not entirely sure he is as disinterested or batshit crazy as some make out.
He's very quick to down tools. To be fair to Amorim he's not standing for it. No chance Rashford and Watkins works
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 05:49:56 PM
In the hierarchy of possible transfers reported by the media it kind of goes like this. Starting bottom to top to make the point:Whilst I agree on FI, Sky, TS...I think you're way off with Romano and especially Townley.
Lowest - any ****** on Twitter who suddenly wakes up as ITK that morning. 95% made up shit
Footy Insider - where FV gets his info is a collection of the Footy Insider but a little filtered. So let’s go 75% made up shit
Romano - he wants to be first to break anything but he’s a cast the net fisherman hoping to catch a special fish in amongst all the shit that he drags up including waste products, licence plates, used condoms etc. But there is decent content at times and he’s connected so let’s go with 50% made up.
It starts to get serious when the reputable local media reports on stuff. So if Townley picks up on something the bullshit goes down a lot but it’s not 100% accurate. So let’s drop the made up stuff to 25%.
The Athletic - time to get worried or happy. They are pretty good at sorting the good from bad. If Tanswell has jumped on board shit is about to get real. Let’s go with 10% made up
Percy/Ornstein - the top of the food chain and when they jump on board the walls have been cracked. Bullshit is now down to 5% if they stick their neck out. Time to crack the champagne or shit yourself.
I’ve probably missed some levels like TS, Sky, Red top media etc. Probably somewhere in between Footy Insider and Romano
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2025, 05:50:43 PM
In the hierarchy of possible transfers reported by the media it kind of goes like this. Starting bottom to top to make the point:Whilst I agree on FI, Sky, TS...I think you're way off with Romano and especially Townley.
Lowest - any ****** on Twitter who suddenly wakes up as ITK that morning. 95% made up shit
Footy Insider - where FV gets his info is a collection of the Footy Insider but a little filtered. So let’s go 75% made up shit
Romano - he wants to be first to break anything but he’s a cast the net fisherman hoping to catch a special fish in amongst all the shit that he drags up including waste products, licence plates, used condoms etc. But there is decent content at times and he’s connected so let’s go with 50% made up.
It starts to get serious when the reputable local media reports on stuff. So if Townley picks up on something the bullshit goes down a lot but it’s not 100% accurate. So let’s drop the made up stuff to 25%.
The Athletic - time to get worried or happy. They are pretty good at sorting the good from bad. If Tanswell has jumped on board shit is about to get real. Let’s go with 10% made up
Percy/Ornstein - the top of the food chain and when they jump on board the walls have been cracked. Bullshit is now down to 5% if they stick their neck out. Time to crack the champagne or shit yourself.
I’ve probably missed some levels like TS, Sky, Red top media etc. Probably somewhere in between Footy Insider and Romano
I find Townley way more cautious about what he talks about than Romano
Post by: The Man With A Stick on January 31, 2025, 05:51:57 PM
Rashford on loan is the archetypal West Ham signing.
This. He's got West Ham written through him like a stick of rock.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 31, 2025, 05:52:14 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 05:54:09 PM
Rashford on loan is the archetypal West Ham signing.
This. He's got West Ham written through him like a stick of rock.
Well, they did win a European trophy. That would be nice.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2025, 05:54:42 PM
*Slight exaggeration but he's certainly played his part in the sackings of Man U's managers. Google 'Player FC'.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2025, 05:56:47 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GikDAvUWUAIQj6N?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Mind you didn't do too bad at Oviedo not long after he left us.
Post by: danno on January 31, 2025, 05:57:43 PM
I'd fear for Unai's job if Rashford came in.* Right now the man is poison, let West Ham have him. Plus, he'd seriously believe he's too good for us. There's a reason there isn't a queue of clubs willing to eitherr buy or take him on loan.
*Slight exaggeration but he's certainly played his part in the sackings of Man U's managers. Google 'Player FC'.
I don’t think Ten Hag or Solskjaer would have lasted half as long without him in all honesty. For about three seasons the plan was sit back, get ball to Fernandes and hope to get Rashford through on goal.
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 06:01:33 PM
This is Townley yeah at the Birmingham Mail yeah, not Tanswell right? I just don't see that all mate if truth be told. I think Townley is cautious because that's him, shy, introverted and waits for the green light from his boss to post. Nothing wrong with any of that but he definitely doesn't have any player/agent or source who goes to him first.In the hierarchy of possible transfers reported by the media it kind of goes like this. Starting bottom to top to make the point:Whilst I agree on FI, Sky, TS...I think you're way off with Romano and especially Townley.
Lowest - any ****** on Twitter who suddenly wakes up as ITK that morning. 95% made up shit
Footy Insider - where FV gets his info is a collection of the Footy Insider but a little filtered. So let’s go 75% made up shit
Romano - he wants to be first to break anything but he’s a cast the net fisherman hoping to catch a special fish in amongst all the shit that he drags up including waste products, licence plates, used condoms etc. But there is decent content at times and he’s connected so let’s go with 50% made up.
It starts to get serious when the reputable local media reports on stuff. So if Townley picks up on something the bullshit goes down a lot but it’s not 100% accurate. So let’s drop the made up stuff to 25%.
The Athletic - time to get worried or happy. They are pretty good at sorting the good from bad. If Tanswell has jumped on board shit is about to get real. Let’s go with 10% made up
Percy/Ornstein - the top of the food chain and when they jump on board the walls have been cracked. Bullshit is now down to 5% if they stick their neck out. Time to crack the champagne or shit yourself.
I’ve probably missed some levels like TS, Sky, Red top media etc. Probably somewhere in between Footy Insider and Romano
I find Townley way more cautious about what he talks about than Romano
With Romano it's a pretty well known thing that many players and agents have gone directly to him to break certain situations to benefit the mentioned parties. Of course he will get things wrong, people change their mind but considering he covers a vast majority of the footballing world his ratio his right up there.
But the rest I agree on.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2025, 06:02:26 PM
I'd fear for Unai's job if Rashford came in.* Right now the man is poison, let West Ham have him. Plus, he'd seriously believe he's too good for us. There's a reason there isn't a queue of clubs willing to eitherr buy or take him on loan.
*Slight exaggeration but he's certainly played his part in the sackings of Man U's managers. Google 'Player FC'.
I don’t think Ten Hag or Solskjaer would have lasted half as long without him in all honesty. For about three seasons the plan was sit back, get ball to Fernandes and hope to get Rashford through on goal.
The other side of the coin is when you have a player revolt, blaming the manager rather than themselves, it gets very toxic. If it only happened once you'd ignore it but it's been going on since Ferguson left.
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2025, 06:03:49 PM
I'd fear for Unai's job if Rashford came in.* Right now the man is poison, let West Ham have him. Plus, he'd seriously believe he's too good for us. There's a reason there isn't a queue of clubs willing to either buy or take him on loan.
*Slight exaggeration but he's certainly played his part in the sackings of Man U's managers. Google 'Player FC'.
I think this transfer window has been a huge wake up call for Rashford. Unfortunately, I think he’s still hitting the snooze button.
When a new manager comes in (the latest guy up there) and your first move is to jet over to the USA for a basketball game rather than coming in for a fresh start and try to hit the ground running, you have to question if he has any desire whatsoever to be a serious or any type of footballer.
I do not believe Rashford has any interest in playing any more. I think he’d happily just sit out his contract doing nothing and then retire.
Harsh view for some, but I believe this.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 06:05:09 PM
Rashford would be good for us.
Why do you think this CD?!
Post by: Mister E on January 31, 2025, 06:05:18 PM
Rashford: no chance; he'll go abroad, heavily subsidised by redManc.
Felix: no way he'll come to Villa (and nor should we want him; he's a flake).
Ascensio: hmmm; maybe, but a short-term solution.
Cunha: no way the YamYams will sell him this month (and anyway, their price-ticket will factor us out) - maybe in the summer.
If Watkins becomes unavailable during the rest of the season, let's hope Malen, Rogers and Ramsey stay fit!
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2025, 06:05:35 PM
Post by: lovejoy on January 31, 2025, 06:07:14 PM
Reality check: I think we'll get a CB in - Disasi or Danso - and that'll be it.
Rashford: no chance; he'll go abroad, heavily subsidised by redManc.
Felix: no way he'll come to Villa (and nor should we want him; he's a flake).
Ascensio: hmmm; maybe, but a short-term solution.
Cunha: no way the YamYams will sell him this month (and anyway, their price-ticket will factor us out) - maybe in the summer.
If Watkins becomes unavailable during the rest of the season, let's hope Malen, Rogers and Ramsey stay fit!
This ^^^^^^
Post by: jwarry on January 31, 2025, 06:07:34 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 31, 2025, 06:08:28 PM
Reality check: I think we'll get a CB in - Disasi or Danso - and that'll be it.
Rashford: no chance; he'll go abroad, heavily subsidised by redManc.
Felix: no way he'll come to Villa (and nor should we want him; he's a flake).
Ascensio: hmmm; maybe, but a short-term solution.
Cunha: no way the YamYams will sell him this month (and anyway, their price-ticket will factor us out) - maybe in the summer.
If Watkins becomes unavailable during the rest of the season, let's hope Malen, Rogers and Ramsey stay fit!
This ^^^^^^
Let’s see
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 06:09:07 PM
Rashford would be good for us.
Why do you think this CD?!
Someone who has views that I respect gave us his word that Rashford would be good.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 06:09:34 PM
Reality check: I think we'll get a CB in - Disasi or Danso - and that'll be it.
Rashford: no chance; he'll go abroad, heavily subsidised by redManc.
Felix: no way he'll come to Villa (and nor should we want him; he's a flake).
Ascensio: hmmm; maybe, but a short-term solution.
Cunha: no way the YamYams will sell him this month (and anyway, their price-ticket will factor us out) - maybe in the summer.
If Watkins becomes unavailable during the rest of the season, let's hope Malen, Rogers and Ramsey stay fit!
If thats all thats coming in we might as we kiss champions league goodbye for next season.
For me i would get dougie back on loan and tel in. If tel rejects us felix
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 06:09:47 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are preparing a bid for Valencia’s David Otorbi.
@SalvaGomis97
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 06:20:40 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2025, 06:25:48 PM
I'd fear for Unai's job if Rashford came in.* Right now the man is poison, let West Ham have him. Plus, he'd seriously believe he's too good for us. There's a reason there isn't a queue of clubs willing to either buy or take him on loan.
*Slight exaggeration but he's certainly played his part in the sackings of Man U's managers. Google 'Player FC'.
I think this transfer window has been a huge wake up call for Rashford. Unfortunately, I think he’s still hitting the snooze button.
When a new manager comes in (the latest guy up there) and your first move is to jet over to the USA for a basketball game rather than coming in for a fresh start and try to hit the ground running, you have to question if he has any desire whatsoever to be a serious or any type of footballer.
I do not believe Rashford has any interest in playing any more. I think he’d happily just sit out his contract doing nothing and then retire.
Harsh view for some, but I believe this.
As ever, I agree with you, Leon. Barca have just announced they don't want him. He's had five weeks to find a new club but he was absolutely deluded to think Barca would want him and they were his level. Off the field he's done some great things I really admired (his work for children in poverty and the homeless) but right now I fear for his mental health.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2025, 06:35:25 PM
Don't hold your breath.
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2025, 06:35:37 PM
I'd fear for Unai's job if Rashford came in.* Right now the man is poison, let West Ham have him. Plus, he'd seriously believe he's too good for us. There's a reason there isn't a queue of clubs willing to either buy or take him on loan.
*Slight exaggeration but he's certainly played his part in the sackings of Man U's managers. Google 'Player FC'.
I think this transfer window has been a huge wake up call for Rashford. Unfortunately, I think he’s still hitting the snooze button.
When a new manager comes in (the latest guy up there) and your first move is to jet over to the USA for a basketball game rather than coming in for a fresh start and try to hit the ground running, you have to question if he has any desire whatsoever to be a serious or any type of footballer.
I do not believe Rashford has any interest in playing any more. I think he’d happily just sit out his contract doing nothing and then retire.
Harsh view for some, but I believe this.
As ever, I agree with you, Leon. Barca have just announced they don't want him. He's had five weeks to find a new club but he was absolutely deluded to think Barca would want him and they were his level. Off the field he's done some great things I really admired (his work for children in poverty and the homeless) but right now I fear for his mental health.
Even with Barca, I doubt he’d be getting ahead of Raphinna. Which says alot about where his heads at to think it would be all flowers and roses by moving to a club that already has a better and more hard working player in his position and who struggles to put money in the meter for, well, much of anything right now. No way he’d just walk right in. I think he liked the idea of Barcelona, not the reality. If he really wanted to play, he’d be elsewhere on loan by now.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 06:35:56 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 06:36:25 PM
If he really wants to play and get his career back he could start by saying he would take a pay cut to any new club.
Don't hold your breath.
Why should he do that?
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 06:39:47 PM
If he really wants to play and get his career back he could start by saying he would take a pay cut to any new club.
Don't hold your breath.
Why should he do that?
Because his wages make him impossible for the vast majority of clubs to sign. If he actually wants to play football, and won't make it happen for his current club, taking a wage cut would give him way more options for a move.
If he doesn't want to play and get his career back on track then he's free to carry on as he is.
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2025, 06:41:18 PM
Players signed #OnThisDay for #AVFC:
Craig Gardner (2005)
Shaun Maloney (2007)
Simon Dawkins (2013)
Yacouba Sylla (2013)
Michael Bradley (2011)
Neil Taylor (2017)
Scott Hogan (2017)
Lewis Grabbon (2018)
Frederic Gilbert (2019)
Tyrone Mings (2019)
Tom Carroll (2019)
Didn't both the Gardeners come through our youth system?
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2025, 06:41:50 PM
Yes.If he really wants to play and get his career back he could start by saying he would take a pay cut to any new club.
Don't hold your breath.
Why should he do that?
Because his wages make him impossible for the vast majority of clubs to sign. If he actually wants to play football, and won't make it happen for his current club, taking a wage cut would give him way more options for a move.
If he doesn't want to play and get his career back on track then he's free to carry on as he is.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 06:43:27 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2025, 06:44:51 PM
Well, it depends. If he signs for, say, Villa and still keeps all his wages, then he'd have been mad to arbitrarily decide to give half his salary away just to help Man U.That’s why I said, any new club.
He would be a fool to drop his wages at Manu.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 06:47:48 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 31, 2025, 06:48:35 PM
Players signed #OnThisDay for #AVFC:
Craig Gardner (2005)
Shaun Maloney (2007)
Simon Dawkins (2013)
Yacouba Sylla (2013)
Michael Bradley (2011)
Neil Taylor (2017)
Scott Hogan (2017)
Lewis Grabbon (2018)
Frederic Gilbert (2019)
Tyrone Mings (2019)
Tom Carroll (2019)
Didn't both the Gardeners come through our youth system?
Yes I’m a bit puzzled by that
Post by: Goldenballs on January 31, 2025, 06:49:46 PM
Players signed #OnThisDay for #AVFC:
Craig Gardner (2005)
Shaun Maloney (2007)
Simon Dawkins (2013)
Yacouba Sylla (2013)
Michael Bradley (2011)
Neil Taylor (2017)
Scott Hogan (2017)
Lewis Grabbon (2018)
Frederic Gilbert (2019)
Tyrone Mings (2019)
Tom Carroll (2019)
Didn't both the Gardeners come through our youth system?
Yeah I thought that after I'd pasted it, it was from twitter.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 06:56:11 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 31, 2025, 07:07:25 PM
Tel has rejected Spurs....who knows.
he managed them before GRIS
Post by: Goldenballs on January 31, 2025, 07:07:31 PM
Post by: stevo_st on January 31, 2025, 07:10:50 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on January 31, 2025, 07:16:36 PM
Will be flattened if after Felix, Asensio and Tel if we end up with Rashford.
It’s be a bit like getting an email saying you’d won the lottery and it turns out it was 50p
Post by: Martyn Smith on January 31, 2025, 07:17:04 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 07:22:47 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2025, 07:22:50 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2025, 07:26:19 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: PhilVill on January 31, 2025, 07:33:05 PM
I'd prefer Unai fixes our ring wing before he even contemplates charity work for Man U.
I'm off to the doctors on Monday to fix my ring wing so I can understand that...
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 07:34:11 PM
I’m actually quite excited about this now.
Will be flattened if after Felix, Asensio and Tel if we end up with Rashford.
It’s be a bit like getting an email saying you’d won the lottery and it turns out it was 50p
Felix, Danso and Tel would be lovely wouldn't it. We need the bodies!
Rashford can do one.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2025, 07:37:37 PM
Post by: steamer on January 31, 2025, 07:41:02 PM
Why would he want to come to us ?
More pertinently why would we want him and his Kak attitude.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 07:41:25 PM
Rashford would be a terrible signing.
Incorrect.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 31, 2025, 07:48:11 PM
Rashford would be a terrible signing.
That’s where I’m at.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 31, 2025, 07:50:01 PM
Rashford would be a terrible signing.
That’s where I’m at.
Same here, I'd rather give Couts another go than sign Rashford.
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2025, 07:51:22 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2025, 07:53:26 PM
Rashford would be a terrible signing.
That’s where I’m at.
Agree. Rooney said he can't even be bother to keep himself in shape which is most important if you want to attract a buyer.
Got Drinkwater as opposed to Carbone ring to it
Post by: brontebilly on January 31, 2025, 07:54:04 PM
I think he can play centre-forward, or wide. Which is what we need.
The same lazy Marcus Rashford could replace Ramsey out wide in our midfield? No chance. He doesn't try a leg if not played on the left of a 3 with no defensive responsibilities. Very few coaches tolerate that these days, his career is over at the top level bar doing something like Willian did at Arsenal and ripping us his contract. He had a solid few seasons at Fulham afterwards and got back on track.
Grealish could actually compete with Ramsey for that spot once he got fitter and could easily play up with Watkins. We are being linked with fading show ponies like Felix, Asensio, Rashford but if we want one of that ilk we might aswell get back the one from Solihull, he might actually be worth the gamble. I'm irrationally pissed that we just haven't gone and got him back.
Same with Luiz to be honest.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2025, 07:57:12 PM
Rashford would be a terrible signing.
That’s where I’m at.
Agree. Rooney said he can't even be bother to keep himself in shape which is most important if you want to attract a buyer.
Got Drinkwater as opposed to Carbone ring to it
Rooney speaking about staying shape...
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/06/13/88214075-0-image-a-44_1722947942049.jpg)
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 07:57:51 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 07:59:02 PM
We're not getting anyone, are we?
That’s my fear.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2025, 08:00:31 PM
I'd prefer Unai fixes our ring wing before he even contemplates charity work for Man U.
I'm off to the doctors on Monday to fix my ring wing so I can understand that...
Ha! I might join you, does he know anything about fat fingers?
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 31, 2025, 08:01:43 PM
Post by: Mellin on January 31, 2025, 08:04:22 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2025, 08:07:10 PM
I think he can play centre-forward, or wide. Which is what we need.
The same lazy Marcus Rashford could replace Ramsey out wide in our midfield? No chance. He doesn't try a leg if not played on the left of a 3 with no defensive responsibilities. Very few coaches tolerate that these days, his career is over at the top level bar doing something like Willian did at Arsenal and ripping us his contract. He had a solid few seasons at Fulham afterwards and got back on track.
Grealish could actually compete with Ramsey for that spot once he got fitter and could easily play up with Watkins. We are being linked with fading show ponies like Felix, Asensio, Rashford but if we want one of that ilk we might aswell get back the one from Solihull, he might actually be worth the gamble. I'm irrationally pissed that we just haven't gone and got him back.
Same with Luiz to be honest.
Grealish would be a bad shout IMO. He’d be on a significant wage, has never played a full season in his career. At 29, he’s a reclamation job at this stage.
I realize the same applies to Assensio and to a lesser degree, Felix. But they don’t have the same baggage with Villa that Grealish has. And the way we play under Emery would not work with Joe. He slows the game down, not speed it up during transition.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 08:08:52 PM
We're not getting anyone, are we?
If thats the case then they really don't care about champions league as there is zero chance we will achieve it with this current squad + options. The squads far too small.
Even 'negative' me thinks at least 1 is coming in
Post by: john2710 on January 31, 2025, 08:11:13 PM
I think we'll get a couple of loans to plug the gaps.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2025, 08:15:48 PM
I think he can play centre-forward, or wide. Which is what we need.
The same lazy Marcus Rashford could replace Ramsey out wide in our midfield? No chance. He doesn't try a leg if not played on the left of a 3 with no defensive responsibilities. Very few coaches tolerate that these days, his career is over at the top level bar doing something like Willian did at Arsenal and ripping us his contract. He had a solid few seasons at Fulham afterwards and got back on track.
His favoured position is on the left, he'll play in the centre but reluctantly and by all accounts he has reason. Since Amorim joined Man U, his first training session was trying to get the midfield and attackers to sprint back when the opposition were on the counter attack. Hardly the most demanding request but for a couple, especially Rashford, it fell on deaf ears. Casemiro doesn't have the legs and Rashford doesn't have the heart.
Three months on not much has changed which is why he's no longer in the matchday squad. One thing we do know, Unai doesn't do lazy. He even managed to get Duran putting in a Watkins style shift.
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 08:16:42 PM
Rashford would be a terrible signing.
That’s where I’m at.
Agree. Rooney said he can't even be bother to keep himself in shape which is most important if you want to attract a buyer.
Got Drinkwater as opposed to Carbone ring to it
Rooney speaking about staying shape...
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/06/13/88214075-0-image-a-44_1722947942049.jpg)
To be fair to him, he wasn't playing there, and I'm sure there's a clip of him while at the end of his career, playing in the US, absolutely busting a gut to win the ball back and setting up a goal for his team to win whatever silly trophy bowl thing they were in the finals of. He never looked it, but I think he was fit when playing.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 08:17:37 PM
Ffs
Matt Law
31 January 2025 6:32pm GMT
Aston Villa have surprisingly joined the market for Marcus Rashford and will look to explore a loan deal for the Manchester United forward. Villa have drawn up a shortlist of potential signings following Jhon Durán’s departure for Al-Nassr in Saudi Arabia, with Paris St-Germain’s Marco Asensio high among their targets and Chelsea’s João Félix also considered.
But Rashford, 27, is now being looked at as a player of interest after his exile at United where Ruben Amorim has not selected him since December 12 for not reaching the required standards, with the head coach only picking players “giving the maximum every day”.
Villa are open to exploring the deal but have not determined whether Rashford is willing to move to Villa Park, or what United’s stance will be on the terms of a six-month loan.
It is understood that Rashford’s preferred destination is Barcelona but the Catalan giants need players to leave before bringing in signings, making the chances of a deal look remote at this stage of the window.
Asensio, 29, is one of Villa manager Unai Emery’s top choices for a loan and is available over the final three days of the window, while Félix is among the players Chelsea would consider for departure. It is believed that Villa are only looking at loans at this stage, rather than permanent deals.
They have also been linked with Bayern Munich’s Mathys Tel, 19, who has a host of Premier League clubs chasing him. Tottenham Hotspur were strongly considering the teenager but he is likely to look at other clubs rather than join Ange Postecoglou’s squad.
Rashford’s future is expected to dominate the final weekend of the window, with Amorim suggesting he would rather pick his 63-year-old goalkeeping coach than a player who does not fit into “the way I see [what] a footballer should do in life”. Borussia Dortmund and Monaco have also shown interest.
Villa director of football Monchi confirmed interest in Asensio and Félix to Spanish platforms Cadena Ser El Larguero and Cadena Cope. “Regarding the names we are considering and the profile Unai is looking for, they [Félix and Asensio] are similar players and are to Unai’s liking,” Monchi said.
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 31, 2025, 08:21:20 PM
I'd take Lenglet and Zaniolo right now and be happy with it.
Zaniolo off to Fiorentina permanently I believe. Another chaotic personality.
Post by: brontebilly on January 31, 2025, 08:24:36 PM
I think he can play centre-forward, or wide. Which is what we need.
The same lazy Marcus Rashford could replace Ramsey out wide in our midfield? No chance. He doesn't try a leg if not played on the left of a 3 with no defensive responsibilities. Very few coaches tolerate that these days, his career is over at the top level bar doing something like Willian did at Arsenal and ripping us his contract. He had a solid few seasons at Fulham afterwards and got back on track.
Grealish could actually compete with Ramsey for that spot once he got fitter and could easily play up with Watkins. We are being linked with fading show ponies like Felix, Asensio, Rashford but if we want one of that ilk we might aswell get back the one from Solihull, he might actually be worth the gamble. I'm irrationally pissed that we just haven't gone and got him back.
Same with Luiz to be honest.
Grealish would be a bad shout IMO. He’d be on a significant wage, has never played a full season in his career. At 29, he’s a reclamation job at this stage.
I realize the same applies to Assensio and to a lesser degree, Felix. But they don’t have the same baggage with Villa that Grealish has. And the way we play under Emery would not work with Joe. He slows the game down, not speed it up during transition.
Grealish was outstanding in counter attacks from memory, weight of pass usually spot on and gifted at protecting the ball. That was Buendia's big issue and one Rogers needs to work on. He combined really well with likes of McGinn and Watkins, so it's not a question of windering if he will fit in.
The baggage factor is overplayed. Id back him, even if he's a stone overweight, all day over the other three to be a success under Emery.
Post by: rob_bridge on January 31, 2025, 08:25:30 PM
Rashford would be a terrible signing.
That’s where I’m at.
Agree. Rooney said he can't even be bother to keep himself in shape which is most important if you want to attract a buyer.
Got Drinkwater as opposed to Carbone ring to it
Rooney speaking about staying shape...
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/06/13/88214075-0-image-a-44_1722947942049.jpg)
Rooney was in right shape aged 27.
5 Premier League title and 3 Champions League finals incl 1 win to his name.
Granted aged 38 has the body of a 50 year old.
Post by: brontebilly on January 31, 2025, 08:28:17 PM
Rashford would be a terrible signing.
That’s where I’m at.
Agree. Rooney said he can't even be bother to keep himself in shape which is most important if you want to attract a buyer.
Got Drinkwater as opposed to Carbone ring to it
Rooney speaking about staying shape...
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/06/13/88214075-0-image-a-44_1722947942049.jpg)
Rooney was in right shape aged 27.
5 Premier League title and 3 Champions League finals incl 1 win to his name.
Granted aged 38 has the body of a 50 year old.
I suspect Wazza's life outside of football is chaotic in the extreme. Stevie G and himself need to get back into the gym.
Post by: Londonvilla on January 31, 2025, 08:29:39 PM
@JubrilHassan26
Tottenham recently made an offer of €4M to Valencia for 17y/o Otorbi. It was rejected because they want a minimum of 5M and a % of future sale fee. ❌
Aston Villa now prepare an offensive move for David Otorbi for the last days of the transfer window.
@SalvaGomis97
Bring in all the kids
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2025, 08:31:14 PM
Rashford would be a terrible signing.
That’s where I’m at.
Agree. Rooney said he can't even be bother to keep himself in shape which is most important if you want to attract a buyer.
Got Drinkwater as opposed to Carbone ring to it
Rooney speaking about staying shape...
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/06/13/88214075-0-image-a-44_1722947942049.jpg)
To be fair to him, he wasn't playing there, and I'm sure there's a clip of him while at the end of his career, playing in the US, absolutely busting a gut to win the ball back and setting up a goal for his team to win whatever silly trophy bowl thing they were in the finals of. He never looked it, but I think he was fit when playing.
I know, I know. It was just an excuse to show this photo the fat fuck.
Post by: Londonvilla on January 31, 2025, 08:32:58 PM
@BarcaTimes
Monchi, Aston Villa SD: “A winger I would sign if I had unlimited money? Lamine Yamal. I would sign him for Aston Villa.” [@ellarguero] #fcblive
Who is this Yamal fellow? ;)
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2025, 08:35:57 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 08:37:15 PM
BarçaTimes
@BarcaTimes
Monchi, Aston Villa SD: “A winger I would sign if I had unlimited money? Lamine Yamal. I would sign him for Aston Villa.” [@ellarguero] #fcblive
Who is this Yamal fellow? ;)
Wow, that has to be up there with the most pointless comments to get air time.
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2025, 08:42:10 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 31, 2025, 08:52:08 PM
pamshow26.
@JubrilHassan26
Tottenham recently made an offer of €4M to Valencia for 17y/o Otorbi. It was rejected because they want a minimum of 5M and a % of future sale fee. ❌
Aston Villa now prepare an offensive move for David Otorbi for the last days of the transfer window.
@SalvaGomis97
Bring in all the kids
Never heard of him or seen him play but it doesn’t scream of improving the first team.
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2025, 09:01:00 PM
I think he can play centre-forward, or wide. Which is what we need.
The same lazy Marcus Rashford could replace Ramsey out wide in our midfield? No chance. He doesn't try a leg if not played on the left of a 3 with no defensive responsibilities. Very few coaches tolerate that these days, his career is over at the top level bar doing something like Willian did at Arsenal and ripping us his contract. He had a solid few seasons at Fulham afterwards and got back on track.
Grealish could actually compete with Ramsey for that spot once he got fitter and could easily play up with Watkins. We are being linked with fading show ponies like Felix, Asensio, Rashford but if we want one of that ilk we might aswell get back the one from Solihull, he might actually be worth the gamble. I'm irrationally pissed that we just haven't gone and got him back.
Same with Luiz to be honest.
Grealish would be a bad shout IMO. He’d be on a significant wage, has never played a full season in his career. At 29, he’s a reclamation job at this stage.
I realize the same applies to Assensio and to a lesser degree, Felix. But they don’t have the same baggage with Villa that Grealish has. And the way we play under Emery would not work with Joe. He slows the game down, not speed it up during transition.
Grealish was outstanding in counter attacks from memory, weight of pass usually spot on and gifted at protecting the ball. That was Buendia's big issue and one Rogers needs to work on. He combined really well with likes of McGinn and Watkins, so it's not a question of windering if he will fit in.
The baggage factor is overplayed. Id back him, even if he's a stone overweight, all day over the other three to be a success under Emery.
Passing, yes, but protecting the ball is not the same as progressing. Man City signed him primarily because of his ability to slow the game down and hold the ball: a skill set they didn’t have. Rogers is the better long term option to protecting the ball. He needs to improve his progression and decide when to do what. But he’s potentially a much greater talent. Plus Ramsey. Why would we need Grealish?
Check the poll on Grealish thread for his baggage factor and his and his dad’s response following the December clash.
Post by: DrGonzo on January 31, 2025, 09:02:37 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 31, 2025, 09:06:40 PM
There are still a few Greasy lovers in the jungle, fighting a war that has already been won.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on January 31, 2025, 09:13:51 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 31, 2025, 09:15:59 PM
He'll probably end up at West Ham, anyway. The gullible twats.
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 09:17:20 PM
I'd rather leave Rashford at Yanited than help those fuckers out.
I assume that if we do bring him in, it's because those in charge think it'll be useful for us, not because they want to help out Man Utd
Post by: Rory on January 31, 2025, 09:17:34 PM
When greal left, the club made a big deal about signing Ashley Young, "the legend returns" fanfare to soften the blow of selling our best player, I could totally see and it wouldn't suprise me if monchi did approach judas, or even Ashley Young to cover Cash ::)
Duran was not our best player, so hopefully nothing like that goes through anybody's head this time!
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 09:20:36 PM
I'd rather leave Rashford at Yanited than help those fuckers out.
I assume that if we do bring him in, it's because those in charge think it'll be useful for us, not because they want to help out Man Utd
And in any case, it doesn't help them out. Either he's brilliant, in which case they look like twats for letting him go, or he's rubbish, in which case they're still lumbered with his full contract until 2028 and will find it more difficult to find a suitor. It's a move with very few downsides for us.
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2025, 09:35:48 PM
Literally this lad has unai cock in cage it painful
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 09:36:34 PM
Tel staying at Bayern.
Can wipe those 2 off the list of possibilities.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 09:37:04 PM
Fuck me Felix of pop f to Madrid
Literally this lad has unai cock in cage it painful
Huh?
Post by: lovejoy on January 31, 2025, 09:37:46 PM
Fuck me Felix of pop f to Madrid
Literally this lad has unai cock in cage it painful
Is this bad poetry ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 09:41:05 PM
Felix going to AC Milan it would appear.
Tel staying at Bayern.
Can wipe those 2 off the list of possibilities.
I hope that’s the end of the Felix stuff, it’s getting tedious.
We really do need a centre half and a forward in though.
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on January 31, 2025, 09:41:51 PM
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2025, 09:43:01 PM
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2025, 09:43:45 PM
Post by: Le Lapin on January 31, 2025, 09:44:42 PM
Fuck me Felix of pop f to Madrid
Literally this lad has unai cock in cage it painful
Yes. It's hard to argue with that.
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 09:45:49 PM
Felix really doesn’t want to move to the Villa does he . Someone needs to tell Unai to let it go 🤣
Big time. We've twerked at him like a desperate drunk about 5 times now. If he wanted to come he would. AC Milan added to his list of clubs. Emery needs to not look again at him. Please
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2025, 09:47:35 PM
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2025, 09:47:42 PM
Sorry Felix looks like he’s off to Milan.Fuck me Felix of pop f to Madrid
Literally this lad has unai cock in cage it painful
Is this bad poetry ?
Unai is desperate to sign him, but Felix just leads him on and then pulls away
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 09:48:23 PM
Post by: Gareth on January 31, 2025, 09:51:45 PM
So we are only looking at loans? We get back in the top 20 for turnover, double our income, make money from the Champions League and yet we spend like paupers? Surely not, unless we loan with an obligation to buy if targets are hit.
Whilst I don’t for a minute think we are only looking at loans it would do the PSR the world of good I guess if we don’t spend in January on big fees and similarly don’t then need to get involved in the June 30th charades like last year
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2025, 09:52:16 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 09:54:16 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 09:54:50 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 09:55:04 PM
This window is starting to look like it may finish up with us much weaker than we were at the start. Unforgiveable if it does pan out that way, given where we are in the CL.
Yup - selling DC and Durán means we have created gaps in the squad. We have to address that, we have one fit senior centre half for fuck’s sake and we’ve voluntarily done that.
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 09:55:58 PM
This window is starting to look like it may finish up with us much weaker than we were at the start. Unforgiveable if it does pan out that way, given where we are in the CL.
We got Roma Monchi. Not Sevilla Monchi. He's been shit so far. And that's kind.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 09:57:30 PM
Sell duran in summer.
Im just hoping this is smoke and mirrors. Otherwise it will be massively frustrating as when season started, we looked weaker than last seasons team. Now this current team looks weaker than the one that we had when summer window shit
Post by: jon collett on January 31, 2025, 09:58:26 PM
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 09:58:56 PM
This window is starting to look like it may finish up with us much weaker than we were at the start. Unforgiveable if it does pan out that way, given where we are in the CL.
We got Roma Monchi. Not Sevilla Monchi. He's been shit so far. And that's kind.
He was pretty terrible during his second stint at Sevilla too.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2025, 09:59:05 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 10:00:09 PM
Where has this only loans thing come from?
Law reporting it- story on previous page
Post by: Rigadon on January 31, 2025, 10:00:21 PM
This window is starting to look like it may finish up with us much weaker than we were at the start. Unforgiveable if it does pan out that way, given where we are in the CL.
Agreed. It’s looking like a complete shit show at the moment.
Post by: brontebilly on January 31, 2025, 10:01:38 PM
The Felix flirtations have been a bit embarrassing. Please can we not spending any more windows fixating over him.
He's a fraud of a footballer, his agent is the star there
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 10:02:14 PM
Where has this only loans thing come from?
Law reporting it- story on previous page
Referring to Asensio and Felix specifically. Not for every footballer on the planet.
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2025, 10:03:26 PM
This window is starting to look like it may finish up with us much weaker than we were at the start. Unforgiveable if it does pan out that way, given where we are in the CL.
A continuation of the summer window really. Our starting 11 is definitely weaker than last season. We’re going to really see in the next few days if Monchi is really any good or not.
Right now, it’s not looking great; that defender at the one club he has connections in Sevilla was a shambles and has left us playing our best midfielder at centre back. But I’m going to reserve judgement on our window once it ‘slams shut,’ although at this point, it looks like it’s going to be quietly closed back in place with not a word to be spoken about what transpired beforehand.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 31, 2025, 10:03:37 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 10:04:56 PM
But either way we need to crack the fuck on and stop wasting our time with the likes of Felix and Asensio. The former has probably stopped us getting a centre half in already.
Post by: john2710 on January 31, 2025, 10:05:52 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 10:06:17 PM
Where's that young Turkish?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2025, 10:07:15 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 10:08:18 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 31, 2025, 10:11:26 PM
We should probably be concentrating on defenders anyway. If Felix is a no go then we should be getting the Disasi guy in on loan. We don't need to be scoring 3 or 4 goals a game if we'd stop conceding so many.
Reports suggested that the possibility of getting Felix was holding up the Disasi deal so you’d think that would be done fairly quickly now.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 10:13:27 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 10:15:07 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 31, 2025, 10:18:12 PM
Sorry Felix looks like he’s off to Milan.Fuck me Felix of pop f to Madrid
Literally this lad has unai cock in cage it painful
Is this bad poetry ?
Unai is desperate to sign him, but Felix just leads him on and then pulls away
That must have been a good cup of coffee mate, you've sobered up fast! :D
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2025, 10:18:33 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 31, 2025, 10:25:16 PM
Jacob Tanswell of the Atheltic who covers Villa: This end-of-transfer window read is going to be crazy... (and long)
https://x.com/j_tanswell/status/1885369778031792425?s=46
I like Jacob, he’s a nice lad, but I won’t click on Musk, thanks.
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2025, 10:30:58 PM
Emery:"The club is identifying if we can sign a ST to help us. But it's not a priority.We have some players who can play as a ST, not like Watkins but in a different task.
"The priority to sign a player, maybe a ST or a versatile player, but improving the players we have"
Unai Emery says Aston Villa’s transfer window “is not normal” as they aim to sign “two or three players” before Monday night’s deadline.
So far this month Villa’s window has been led by Monchi, president of football operations, with the club relying on close contacts and players known to him and Emery.
It is a far from ideal situation, with Ezri Konsa their only option in central defence plus replacements needed for Emiliano Buendia and Jhon Duran. Emery said:
💬 “The moment we are in this transfer window, it is not normal. But it is coming for different circumstances. We had to accept and take our decision. A few days to close the window and the club is working. We have to do something.
“But I am very happy with how they are responding. We played some matches even in the last month when players were close to leaving.
“Without Diego Carlos last week, Jaden Philogene and Jhon Duran. We were playing matches and collectively, we were getting the performances we needed. I’m very proud of them.”
Villa have been routinely pivoting in transfer targets and presently, hold an interest in several players across a number of positions, including Chelsea’s Axel Disasi and Joao Felix, as well as Marco Asensio from Paris Saint-Germain. Emery added:
💬 “Hopefully in two or three days, we can join a minimum of two or three players more with us. And as well, I’m going to be very motivated with those players to get collectively our objective.”
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on January 31, 2025, 10:31:32 PM
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 31, 2025, 10:31:57 PM
Players signed #OnThisDay for #AVFC:
Craig Gardner (2005)
Shaun Maloney (2007)
Simon Dawkins (2013)
Yacouba Sylla (2013)
Michael Bradley (2011)
Neil Taylor (2017)
Scott Hogan (2017)
Lewis Grabbon (2018)
Frederic Gilbert (2019)
Tyrone Mings (2019)
Tom Carroll (2019)
The Villa legend that was Simon Dawkins!
Post by: Beard82 on January 31, 2025, 10:35:15 PM
With Swinkels going to Bristol Rovers, surely another CB is close. I'm beginning to wonder if our PSR position is worse than we thought.Yeah it sounds like it from what monchi is saying
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 10:37:14 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2025, 10:39:09 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2025, 10:39:14 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2025, 10:41:58 PM
"The club is working and we have to do something fast."
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1885455518367424787?s=46
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 10:44:57 PM
Own up - who thought the deadline was today?
It's Monday Dave. We'll still be having the same conversation though.
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 10:50:59 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2025, 10:52:22 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2025, 10:53:25 PM
Those latest quotes from Emery do make it sound like we really weren't planning on selling Watkins or Duran this window. We've now been put in a difficult position at the very last minute, trying to bring players in, with other clubs knowing we're somewhat desperate and that we just got a wad of cash from Saudi.
The last bit there is why I suspect we've made the comments about loans, we know there's not going to be a great deal of value for us in the next few days.
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 10:57:45 PM
Let's play the loan deal guessing game then....
Assuming we might actually have a chance of
loaning Asensio and Emery wanting him, that would give us, in his words a versatile player that could cover 10 and right wing if Rogers or Malen played up top. So he might be a goer now the bi-annual twerk for Felix has ceased.
You have to think we might be able to get the loan for Disasi over the line then. Is he cup tied? But that gives us centre back, and eventually Konsa right back coverage again.
Who do we want the 3rd loan to be? I'm going to go a late Dougie Luiz loan to free Tielemans further forward more often. Unlikely, but worth a punt.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 11:21:10 PM
Own up - who thought the deadline was today?
It is in Saudi Arabia.
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 11:23:53 PM
All that said, Dougie seems like a rare example of a good player just making a bad move. I can't see it happening but it would put a completely different sheen on this window if it did.
Post by: avfcdale on January 31, 2025, 11:30:10 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 31, 2025, 11:34:11 PM
Sergio Ramos pay as you play deal until the summer.
Given his age and injury record that would be a great deal financially!!
Post by: Drummond on January 31, 2025, 11:35:24 PM
We need a CB and forward.
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2025, 11:35:54 PM
With Swinkels going to Bristol Rovers, surely another CB is close. I'm beginning to wonder if our PSR position is worse than we thought.It seems to be a never ending nightmare.
Just when we ‘think’ we are in good position, and then sell someone for millions of pounds of profit to make ourselves even better, it actually seems like we are worse!!
I wish football was about football and not economics.
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2025, 11:37:47 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 11:37:52 PM
Luiz is in a position we don't need.
We need a CB and forward.
He'll play where we tell him to play!
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 11:38:52 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 01, 2025, 12:13:05 AM
Let's play the loan deal guessing game then....
Assuming we might actually have a chance of
loaning Asensio and Emery wanting him, that would give us, in his words a versatile player that could cover 10 and right wing if Rogers or Malen played up top. So he might be a goer now the bi-annual twerk for Felix has ceased.
You have to think we might be able to get the loan for Disasi over the line then. Is he cup tied? But that gives us centre back, and eventually Konsa right back coverage again.
Who do we want the 3rd loan to be? I'm going to go a late Dougie Luiz loan to free Tielemans further forward more often. Unlikely, but worth a punt.
I’d be delighted with Dougie coming back. Haven’t taken any notice of the other two but definitely the positions we need.
Post by: cdward on February 01, 2025, 12:55:52 AM
Post by: Rory on February 01, 2025, 01:02:41 AM
All these Rashford to Villa headlines is just him going in to Love Island surely.
Now I'd put money on that! Great call.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 01:18:59 AM
I'm sure just after he got the job Amorim tried to talk down the thing about Rashford flying off to the US during the international break. He was saying that maybe in the past the club itself hasn't been clear about things, or they needed to take more responsibility for the players, basically sounded like he was trying to take the focus off Rashford and allow things to blow over. It seems like things have deteriorated a lot since then. Rashford did that interview saying it was time for a change, and the 65 year old groundsmen has taken his place in the squad. Feels very much like an unfixable situation, and one Rashford and his team misjudged.
Post by: ROBBO on February 01, 2025, 06:05:11 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 01, 2025, 06:58:31 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 01, 2025, 06:58:47 AM
Can someone explain why when we have just got 70 Million for Duran we are still in financial dificulty?the cheques in the post.
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2025, 07:00:05 AM
Can someone explain why when we have just got 70 Million for Duran we are still in financial dificulty?
We're not, are we?
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 01, 2025, 07:00:58 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 07:41:56 AM
Where has this only loans thing come from?
Law reporting it- story on previous page
Referring to Asensio and Felix specifically. Not for every footballer on the planet.
Did i say it was for every player on the planet? Or was that just you?
The story says we are focusing mainly on loans rashford asensio and felix? Did you see anywhere in that story where law says we are looking at permanent signings?
Post by: Vegas on February 01, 2025, 07:46:46 AM
Post by: django on February 01, 2025, 07:59:55 AM
He’s not a good enough player to take the risk though so hopefully it’s just bullshit.
I’d just got round to watching the Felix highlights reel and belatedly thought he’d be a good signing so obviously he’s now going elsewhere.
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2025, 08:02:33 AM
Where has this only loans thing come from?
Law reporting it- story on previous page
Referring to Asensio and Felix specifically. Not for every footballer on the planet.
Did i say it was for every player on the planet? Or was that just you?
The story says we are focusing mainly on loans rashford asensio and felix? Did you see anywhere in that story where law says we are looking at permanent signings?
What you've done here, is you've taken this paragraph:
Quote
Asensio, 29, is one of Villa manager Unai Emery’s top choices for a loan and is available over the final three days of the window, while Félix is among the players Chelsea would consider for departure. It is believed that Villa are only looking at loans at this stage, rather than permanent deals.
Saying that we'd only be looking to sign Asensio or Joao Felix on loan at this stage, and always keen for an opportunity to wet your knickers you've extrapolated that being being the case for those two players into "only loans coming in".
It is perfectly possible that we do only sign players on loan between now and the end of Monday. But the article you've posted isn't saying that we will.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 01, 2025, 08:04:13 AM
If Man Utd pay most of his wages.
It’s late in the window and I’d be surprised if we have another striker lined up.
We need another and Rashford obviously needs a change of scenery. It could work. It could easily be a waste of time. But going into the back half of the season with one striker is a risk.
Post by: ROBBO on February 01, 2025, 08:04:26 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 01, 2025, 08:06:59 AM
Its a win for them if we take him on loan, they get rid of a player causing them trouble, if Emery can get him playing good football again his price goes up in the summer.
I couldn’t care much about what it does for Man Utd. We need a forward and if he’s available on the right deal, and he actually works hard it may benefit us. That’s all I care about 👍
Post by: Bosco81 on February 01, 2025, 08:14:04 AM
Then loan in another attacker, I’d be happy with Ascensio, Felix and even Rashford if we are only picking up a small portion of their wages.
We’ve sent Swinkels, Gauci, Barry and possibly Ned out on loan cos Unai doesn’t think they are good enough for us atm.
I’d like us to bring back Illing-Jnr and Enzo, they are playing regular football in a good league, must be better than sticking a 3rd choice keeper on the bench, but then I’ve no idea if we do have a recall on their loans.
Post by: charleeco7 on February 01, 2025, 08:18:01 AM
I want a permanent centre half signing who can push the other centre halves, and allows us to play Konsa at right back, for certain games.
Then loan in another attacker, I’d be happy with Ascensio, Felix and even Rashford if we are only picking up a small portion of their wages.
We’ve sent Swinkels, Gauci, Barry and possibly Ned out on loan cos Unai doesn’t think they are good enough for us atm.
I’d like us to bring back Illing-Jnr and Enzo, they are playing regular football in a good league, must be better than sticking a 3rd choice keeper on the bench, but then I’ve no idea if we do have a recall on their loans.
We certainly need a centre half but why would we ever want Konsa at right back. He’s an outstanding centre half and should be no where near right back.
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2025, 08:30:12 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 01, 2025, 08:31:56 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2025, 08:36:38 AM
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2025, 08:41:11 AM
Post by: WassallVillain on February 01, 2025, 08:53:44 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 01, 2025, 08:54:47 AM
I want a permanent centre half signing who can push the other centre halves, and allows us to play Konsa at right back, for certain games.
Then loan in another attacker, I’d be happy with Ascensio, Felix and even Rashford if we are only picking up a small portion of their wages.
We’ve sent Swinkels, Gauci, Barry and possibly Ned out on loan cos Unai doesn’t think they are good enough for us atm.
I’d like us to bring back Illing-Jnr and Enzo, they are playing regular football in a good league, must be better than sticking a 3rd choice keeper on the bench, but then I’ve no idea if we do have a recall on their loans.
We certainly need a centre half but why would we ever want Konsa at right back. He’s an outstanding centre half and should be no where near right back.
Maybe Bosco noticed where Konsa played in all our outstanding defensive performances over the last season-and-a-half. Just a hunch.
I too want a centre-half to allow Konsa to move to right-back in certain games. As can be seen by simply watching our games and remembering what happened in them, Konsa/Pau is pretty porous central defensive partnership. Not as good as Konsa/Mings from 22/23, or Carlos/Pau from the last season and a half. If we want Pau in, he needs a better partner.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 01, 2025, 08:57:31 AM
I read somewhere the other day that our wage bill is now nearly 100 percent of revenue. I think this is the real issue in getting some of these deals across the line. Rashford will end up at Arsenal in my view.
Our wage bill was 96% of our turnover in 23/24. Our turnover has risen massively this season, hopefully by a fair bit more than our wage bill.
Post by: jwarry on February 01, 2025, 09:01:39 AM
Expensive and difficult one but Villa have already approached Marcus’ camp, strong interest…
…and negotiations ongoing.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 01, 2025, 09:07:34 AM
Then again I also thought there was no way we’d sell Duran so what do I know.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 01, 2025, 09:10:28 AM
🚨🟣🔵 Unai Emery has given the green light to Aston Villa board to try advance on Marcus Rashford loan deal.
Expensive and difficult one but Villa have already approached Marcus’ camp, strong interest…
…and negotiations ongoing.
I really would not want that big nosed waster any where near this group of young players. There are so many rumours circulating about the baggage he carries that it could upset everything. Why should anyone help them off load a "trouble" player
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on February 01, 2025, 09:12:51 AM
Went to bed thinking about Asensio, Felix and Tel… wake up with Rashford.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 09:16:45 AM
All my manure mates are pissing themselves if this happens
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 01, 2025, 09:21:09 AM
Unais officially lost it even as a loan this be a expensive disaster
All my manure mates are pissing themselves if this happens
Your fault for hanging around with Man U fans.
Post by: Rigadon on February 01, 2025, 09:22:02 AM
Unais officially lost it even as a loan this be a expensive disaster
All my manure mates are pissing themselves if this happens
Are your mates all world class football geniuses too?
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2025, 09:22:07 AM
That’s some of the more disappointing news to wake up to…
Went to bed thinking about Asensio, Felix and Tel… wake up with Rashford.
Did you make him a cup of tea? ;D
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 01, 2025, 09:23:33 AM
🚨🟣🔵 Unai Emery has given the green light to Aston Villa board to try advance on Marcus Rashford loan deal.
Expensive and difficult one but Villa have already approached Marcus’ camp, strong interest…
…and negotiations ongoing.
I really would not want that big nosed waster any where near this group of young players. There are so many rumours circulating about the baggage he carries that it could upset everything. Why should anyone help them off load a "trouble" player
Does he have a particularly big nose? We wouldn’t be trying to help them off load a player, we’d be trying to help us in the short term.
Unlikely to work in my opinion, but I couldn’t give a flying fuck how it affects them.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 01, 2025, 09:25:41 AM
a post coital cigarette maybe?That’s some of the more disappointing news to wake up to…
Went to bed thinking about Asensio, Felix and Tel… wake up with Rashford.
Did you make him a cup of tea? ;D
Post by: Dick Edwards on February 01, 2025, 09:31:06 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2025, 09:31:18 AM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on February 01, 2025, 09:31:39 AM
a post coital cigarette maybe?That’s some of the more disappointing news to wake up to…
Went to bed thinking about Asensio, Felix and Tel… wake up with Rashford.
Did you make him a cup of tea? ;D
I certainly wasn’t a cup of coffee - German coffee always tastes like a chemistry experiment gone wrong.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2025, 09:50:12 AM
Its a win for them if we take him on loan, they get rid of a player causing them trouble, if Emery can get him playing good football again his price goes up in the summer.
The only way that would be a "win" for them is if he plays well, in which case it would obviously be a "win" for us.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 01, 2025, 09:53:24 AM
🚨🟣🔵 Unai Emery has given the green light to Aston Villa board to try advance on Marcus Rashford loan deal.
Expensive and difficult one but Villa have already approached Marcus’ camp, strong interest…
…and negotiations ongoing.
I really would not want that big nosed waster any where near this group of young players. There are so many rumours circulating about the baggage he carries that it could upset everything. Why should anyone help them off load a "trouble" player
Is he any worse that most multi-millionaire twenty-somethings?
To put it another way, is he an easy target because his politics are opposed to most of our media outlets, therefore they choose to shine a light on his misdemeanours whilst ignoring others (plus the clicks that it generates).
Post by: caster troy on February 01, 2025, 09:54:40 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 01, 2025, 09:57:38 AM
I don’t do Twitter , but even the stuff in the mainstream is not good, he is not a Duran aged kid. He is obviously a very troubled young man with a lot of baggage and an entourage.🚨🟣🔵 Unai Emery has given the green light to Aston Villa board to try advance on Marcus Rashford loan deal.
Expensive and difficult one but Villa have already approached Marcus’ camp, strong interest…
…and negotiations ongoing.
I really would not want that big nosed waster any where near this group of young players. There are so many rumours circulating about the baggage he carries that it could upset everything. Why should anyone help them off load a "trouble" player
I’m not on twitter etc so miss lots of the noise, so I don’t know wheat the rumours are, but is he any worse that most multi-millionaire twenty-somethings?
To put it another way, is he an easy target because his politics are opposed to most of our media outlets, therefore they choose to shine a light on his misdemeanours whilst others (plus the clicks that it generates).
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 01, 2025, 10:00:52 AM
Also strange that we're in for a player that plays predominantly on the left wing (*though he can double up as a striker) - A position we are better stocked than anywhere else on the pitch.
Personally, I think this is a bad move, and it's a big gamble which will either make or break our season. There's no denying there's a player in there somewhere, but is that player ever going to come out again is the question?
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 10:05:14 AM
Post by: john e on February 01, 2025, 10:08:56 AM
Only to find we’re looking at another one
Post by: Drummond on February 01, 2025, 10:14:10 AM
🚨🟣🔵 Unai Emery has given the green light to Aston Villa board to try advance on Marcus Rashford loan deal.
Expensive and difficult one but Villa have already approached Marcus’ camp, strong interest…
…and negotiations ongoing.
I really would not want that big nosed waster any where near this group of young players. There are so many rumours circulating about the baggage he carries that it could upset everything. Why should anyone help them off load a "trouble" player
That's two threads where you've commented about his nose. What's that all about?
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2025, 10:15:34 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2025, 10:17:40 AM
Post by: Baldy on February 01, 2025, 10:18:37 AM
He would play for his own future, shoot at every opportunity and would not be a team player. Became very blinkered at Yanited. One goal grabs him all the headlines.
He doesn't give a shit about the villa, why should we give a shit about him.
A big 'no' from moi.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 01, 2025, 10:21:05 AM
🚨🟣🔵 Unai Emery has given the green light to Aston Villa board to try advance on Marcus Rashford loan deal.
Expensive and difficult one but Villa have already approached Marcus’ camp, strong interest…
…and negotiations ongoing.
I really would not want that big nosed waster any where near this group of young players. There are so many rumours circulating about the baggage he carries that it could upset everything. Why should anyone help them off load a "trouble" player
That's two threads where you've commented about his nose. What's that all about?
He has got fucking big nose.
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2025, 10:23:54 AM
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2025, 10:24:58 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 01, 2025, 10:32:10 AM
Apologies if anyone with a huge proboscis is offended.
I ll just refer to him as an over paid, over rated, waster that cannot be motivated to play for his boyhood club. Strong rumours about his "friends" and lifestyle makes Duran sound like a page boy.
Really hope we are just another club the media are trying to help The red filth get rid.
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2025, 10:33:09 AM
No, it's an odd thing to pick up on.
Post by: Joe S on February 01, 2025, 10:40:25 AM
Post by: Goldenballs on February 01, 2025, 10:40:32 AM
If anyone suggested him before we were seriously linked they would've been laughed out of town, seems the polar opposite of an Emery player.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 01, 2025, 10:45:10 AM
Where's he from, Nose City?
No, it's an odd thing to pick up on.
He’ll be after the cheese makers next.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 10:52:12 AM
From Rashfords perspective, Villa would be the perfect 'shop window' for 4 months. Champions League football et all.
He would play for his own future, shoot at every opportunity and would not be a team player. Became very blinkered at Yanited. One goal grabs him all the headlines.
He doesn't give a shit about the villa, why should we give a shit about him.
A big 'no' from moi.
On the other hand he may have realised he's seriously derailed his own career and there are now huge question marks over his attitude as well as his ability. He could use us as a shop window, but in a good way. Getting his head down and committing to the cause, getting in line with the team ethos, doing what's asked of him, and playing regularly as a result, is going to be far better for him in the long run than kicking his feet at Man Utd, or derailing the plans of a team that took a chance on him.
That said, I don't know that we need a project on our hands at such a vital stage of our season.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2025, 10:59:49 AM
Apologies. I did this so no-one else had to.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2025, 11:00:00 AM
Too late, was McGrathed by 11 seconds.
Post by: Paul.S on February 01, 2025, 11:04:07 AM
We’ve got Ramsey on the left who’s 10x the player Rashford is and I think he’d want reassurances he’d be a starter.
Can’t see this happening.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 11:11:56 AM
As for Rashford, if it’s a loan can’t see the downside really. As for insulting someone’s appearance, it’s a bit juvenile isn’t it.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 11:12:54 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 01, 2025, 11:13:06 AM
Is he willing to sit on the bench and come on for 20/25 minutes? If he’s a replacement for Duran then that’s what he’d have to agree to.
We’ve got Ramsey on the left who’s 10x the player Rashford is and I think he’d want reassurances he’d be a starter.
Can’t see this happening.
I’m okay with signing players that are playing below their ability due to other factors (i.e. project Felix) however the only role for Rashford at Villa is the impact sub described above and I don’t think that’s a good fit for either the club or the player.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2025, 11:15:05 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 11:15:57 AM
Post by: charleeco7 on February 01, 2025, 11:16:51 AM
I want a permanent centre half signing who can push the other centre halves, and allows us to play Konsa at right back, for certain games.
Then loan in another attacker, I’d be happy with Ascensio, Felix and even Rashford if we are only picking up a small portion of their wages.
We’ve sent Swinkels, Gauci, Barry and possibly Ned out on loan cos Unai doesn’t think they are good enough for us atm.
I’d like us to bring back Illing-Jnr and Enzo, they are playing regular football in a good league, must be better than sticking a 3rd choice keeper on the bench, but then I’ve no idea if we do have a recall on their loans.
We certainly need a centre half but why would we ever want Konsa at right back. He’s an outstanding centre half and should be no where near right back.
Maybe Bosco noticed where Konsa played in all our outstanding defensive performances over the last season-and-a-half. Just a hunch.
I too want a centre-half to allow Konsa to move to right-back in certain games. As can be seen by simply watching our games and remembering what happened in them, Konsa/Pau is pretty porous central defensive partnership. Not as good as Konsa/Mings from 22/23, or Carlos/Pau from the last season and a half. If we want Pau in, he needs a better partner.
Couldn’t disagree more to be honest. I’ve watched him numerous times at right back and he simply isn’t one. He’s also said he doesn’t want to play in that position.
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2025, 11:17:45 AM
I'm only writing this because nobody else has and it really is the most trite observation: we signed a troubled lad with off-field issues from Man Utd before and that worked out okay.
Apologies. I did this so no-one else had to.
Someone did a few pages back but I concur.
I've been saying for about three years he needs to get out of there, without ever thinking we'd be a possible destination.
It's a short loan, minimal risk. He's not going to come in and start a mutiny, he coming into a well run operation with clear goals and everyone pulling together, something he's not had for years.
If he responds well to that we'll have a world class player for a few months that could easily turn draws into wins on his own.
If he doesn't, we say goodbye in May.
Post by: lukey27 on February 01, 2025, 11:18:07 AM
How many times have we signed players with something hanging over them, be it injuries or attitude, in the hope of them rediscovering their best? How many times has it worked out for us? Please don't bring up McGrath from 36 years ago.
Too late, was McGrathed by 11 seconds.
You could argue that Mings and Tielemans are both recent examples of when it can work. Big questions over both, attitude / injury etc
IF this happens it's short term cover to replace Duran and viewed in that context it's not the end of the world.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 01, 2025, 11:18:41 AM
There is not a chance we’d be paying £300k a week.
Half? How much is it worth paying to find out?
Post by: john e on February 01, 2025, 11:19:01 AM
My only problem is you Unai couldn’t handle Durán and his off field issues, and got rid as soon as he could
He likes players who he can coach and who do as they’re told like Watkins, Rogers, Pao
I’m not sure Rashford fits into that bracket
But when on form he’s a very decent player
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 01, 2025, 11:20:08 AM
There is not a chance we’d be paying £300k a week.
Whatever we pay is too much
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2025, 11:23:18 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 11:23:20 AM
There is not a chance we’d be paying £300k a week.
Half? How much is it worth paying to find out?
Well the potential upside is that at his best he improves the side significantly. Short-term I’d say worth a gamble. But I doubt it’ll happen anyway.
I really hope we have a centre-half sorted, that’s the most pressing concern.
Post by: Pete3206 on February 01, 2025, 11:25:46 AM
Rubbish.
Post by: Mellin on February 01, 2025, 11:29:59 AM
I want a permanent centre half signing who can push the other centre halves, and allows us to play Konsa at right back, for certain games.
Then loan in another attacker, I’d be happy with Ascensio, Felix and even Rashford if we are only picking up a small portion of their wages.
We’ve sent Swinkels, Gauci, Barry and possibly Ned out on loan cos Unai doesn’t think they are good enough for us atm.
I’d like us to bring back Illing-Jnr and Enzo, they are playing regular football in a good league, must be better than sticking a 3rd choice keeper on the bench, but then I’ve no idea if we do have a recall on their loans.
We certainly need a centre half but why would we ever want Konsa at right back. He’s an outstanding centre half and should be no where near right back.
Maybe Bosco noticed where Konsa played in all our outstanding defensive performances over the last season-and-a-half. Just a hunch.
I too want a centre-half to allow Konsa to move to right-back in certain games. As can be seen by simply watching our games and remembering what happened in them, Konsa/Pau is pretty porous central defensive partnership. Not as good as Konsa/Mings from 22/23, or Carlos/Pau from the last season and a half. If we want Pau in, he needs a better partner.
Couldn’t disagree more to be honest. I’ve watched him numerous times at right back and he simply isn’t one. He’s also said he doesn’t want to play in that position.
I agree with the problem, not the solution. Torres and Konsa together doesn't work defensively. One partnership should be Mings and Konsa, the other should be Torres and new centre half, who absolutely needs to be a defender first and foremost. Injuries and suspensions lead to this mixing around, but that's the base. If Torres and the new Martin Laursen are playing, then Konsa goes to the bench, not right back.
What I'd give for Laursen right now. Best centre half in the league at the time, with some very, very strong competition.
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 01, 2025, 11:34:24 AM
I don’t really get the antagonism towards him by some posters and the need to slag him off on how he looks?
The issue for me is his agent has obviously been touting him around some of Europe’s big hitters, who seemingly don’t want to go there. Given this if he comes to us-is he going to see it as a backwards step in his career? Is he going to get motivated again by playing for Villa? Risky.
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2025, 11:35:51 AM
I think my problem with Rashford aside from the fact he's lazy with an appalling attitude is that I've never rated him. Great in fits and starts but never been a consistent performer. England caps have stacked up because of the club he plays for.
Rubbish.
He scored 34 goals in a season as recently as two years ago.
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2025, 11:37:44 AM
Can we please, please buy a centre half though.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 11:38:03 AM
Without knowing him, he’s always struck me as a decent human being who has just lost his way in terms of his career and just looks unhappy. There’s obviously a decent player in there though.
I don’t really get the antagonism towards him by some posters and the need to slag him off on how he looks?
The issue for me is his agent has obviously been touting him around some of Europe’s big hitters, who seemingly don’t want to go there. Given this if he comes to us-is he going to see it as a backwards step in his career? Is he going to get motivated again by playing for Villa? Risky.
On his character - exactly, it doesn’t add up. On the comments about his appearance - we’re all adults, grow up. On the risk point, yeah it’s a gamble but for a short-term loan I’d be ok with it.
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 01, 2025, 11:39:02 AM
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Post by: Monty on February 01, 2025, 11:48:31 AM
Post by: Lsvilla on February 01, 2025, 11:50:27 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 01, 2025, 11:52:12 AM
Sort of things we said about Coutinho and Gerrard.
No I don't think we did. We hoped it would work, because they knew each other and that's about it.
Post by: Drummond on February 01, 2025, 11:52:41 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2025, 11:53:32 AM
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 11:56:56 AM
🟣🔵👀 This could open doors to one more loan exit for PSG… with Aston Villa still working on Marco Asensio deal.
Post by: Small Rodent on February 01, 2025, 11:59:57 AM
I know very little about his playing ability because I ignore other sides and their dramas.
We shall see. I suspect it is all media hype.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2025, 12:01:42 PM
🚨🟣 Fiorentina are close to getting deal done with Paris Saint-Germain for Cher Ndour, negotiations at advanced stage.
🟣🔵👀 This could open doors to one more loan exit for PSG… with Aston Villa still working on Marco Asensio deal.
The deal with Fiorentina is said to be seven seconds away.
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2025, 12:02:02 PM
Without knowing him, he’s always struck me as a decent human being who has just lost his way in terms of his career and just looks unhappy. There’s obviously a decent player in there though.
I don’t really get the antagonism towards him by some posters and the need to slag him off on how he looks?
The issue for me is his agent has obviously been touting him around some of Europe’s big hitters, who seemingly don’t want to go there. Given this if he comes to us-is he going to see it as a backwards step in his career? Is he going to get motivated again by playing for Villa? Risky.
On his character - exactly, it doesn’t add up. On the comments about his appearance - we’re all adults, grow up. On the risk point, yeah it’s a gamble but for a short-term loan I’d be ok with it.
I think that's where I am. He'd be here for 4 months and he might be the difference to whether we qualify for the Champions League again. I personally think it's worth the risk.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2025, 12:02:40 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 12:04:06 PM
The issue for me is his agent has obviously been touting him around some of Europe’s big hitters, who seemingly don’t want to go there. Given this if he comes to us-is he going to see it as a backwards step in his career? Is he going to get motivated again by playing for Villa? Risky.
I know we'll all be a bit offended by the idea that we're seen as a backward step for him, necessary to rehabilitate his career, but not a move he'd even think about otherwise. But.... if it works out, who cares? Barkley is a perfect example of a player who took a step back to take steps forward, and I'm sure the Nice and Luton fans don't care that they were looked at as a temporary step on his way back up.
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 01, 2025, 12:06:02 PM
Very Good. Cherry on top.🚨🟣 Fiorentina are close to getting deal done with Paris Saint-Germain for Cher Ndour, negotiations at advanced stage.
🟣🔵👀 This could open doors to one more loan exit for PSG… with Aston Villa still working on Marco Asensio deal.
The deal with Fiorentina is said to be seven seconds away.
Post by: andyh on February 01, 2025, 12:07:07 PM
I’m not sure I get the reason to be quite so vexed ?
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2025, 12:08:20 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2025, 12:08:49 PM
Taking a ‘gamble’ on Marcus Rashford vs some of the absolute tripe we have signed before, and some are incredibly wound up by it.
I’m not sure I get the reason to be quite so vexed ?
I think it's because he fed those kids that time.
Post by: andyh on February 01, 2025, 12:09:12 PM
Asensio and Rashford great, option and bodies going forward. We still need a centre half!Is the best answer of the day.
Post by: IFWaters on February 01, 2025, 12:10:21 PM
I’ve no problem with Rashford as a person. To have another socially conscious and outspoken person in the side is a big positive to me.I'd prefer a player who has shown he really wants to play for his team and prefers to train hard to get back in contention. We're still paying for the last superstar who couldn't be bothered, hope we don't make same mistake again.
I know very little about his playing ability because I ignore other sides and their dramas.
We shall see. I suspect it is all media hype.
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2025, 12:10:59 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 12:11:22 PM
We may well just be a club that agents know will draw some attention if their player is linked with us. If Uni Emery is interested in him, maybe he's worth looking at again.... kind of thing.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2025, 12:21:26 PM
Taking a ‘gamble’ on Marcus Rashford vs some of the absolute tripe we have signed before, and some are incredibly wound up by it.
I’m not sure I get the reason to be quite so vexed ?
I think it's because he fed those kids that time.
The bastard.
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2025, 12:22:25 PM
Taking a ‘gamble’ on Marcus Rashford vs some of the absolute tripe we have signed before, and some are incredibly wound up by it.
I’m not sure I get the reason to be quite so vexed ?
I think it's because he fed those kids that time.
Blackly.
(I actually don't think he'd be a good signing at all, but he does seem a lovely fella.)
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 01, 2025, 12:26:12 PM
1. Lack of game time means it is logical to phase him in as a sub. This should maintain harmony in the camp and with the player.
2. Covers both Watkins and Ramsey. Critical because there’s limited cover for Watkins and Ramsey is injury prone.
3. Scored 30 goals a few years ago. So clearly a good player,
4. The more socially conscious players at Villa the better. Id love us to rebuild him and give him his voice back.
5. The reduced spotlight on him at Villa should mean people are less likely to be triggered by his views and he will be happier.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 12:29:31 PM
Where's he from, Nose City?
No, it's an odd thing to pick up on.
Is it? We called Benteke "Tiny Ears" and people lauded the observation.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 12:31:56 PM
£300k a week is a lot of money to see if someone has been training properly on their own for the last month. There's no time to get him up to speed. Loans have to hit the ground running. There's 3 months of the season left.
Four months left, we don't finish til the end of May.
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2025, 12:32:56 PM
£300k a week is a lot of money to see if someone has been training properly on their own for the last month. There's no time to get him up to speed. Loans have to hit the ground running. There's 3 months of the season left.
Four months left, we don't finish til the end of May.
We also wouldn't be paying £300k per week.
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2025, 12:33:22 PM
Where's he from, Nose City?
No, it's an odd thing to pick up on.
Is it? We called Benteke "Tiny Ears" and people lauded the observation.
Tone, context. Posts about Benteke's adorable ears were by and large free of the word 'FILTH'.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 12:35:19 PM
And Unai is not infallible on signings. Yes, he pushed for Rogers, but he also handpicked a return for Philogene.
Pretty low-risk and Philogene may have come good in the coming months. Emery was open to him staying but Jaden wanted more game time.
Post by: Matt C on February 01, 2025, 12:35:28 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 12:36:15 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 12:36:30 PM
Loan move until June, salary covered and discussions ongoing about buy clause.
📲 Rashford has also spoken to Unai Emery, he’s aware of Aston Villa desire to get him.
🚨 Aston Villa close to agreeing deal to sign Marcus Rashford on loan from Man Utd. Still work to do but now expected 27yo #MUFC forward will join #AVFC. Likely to include buy option, significant salary coverage + bonuses. W/
@lauriewhitwell
@TheAthleticFC
Post by: caster troy on February 01, 2025, 12:37:17 PM
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2025, 12:37:40 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 01, 2025, 12:41:34 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2025, 12:41:49 PM
Romano says the deal is close on Rashford and we are covering his salary. Nightmare!
I've had worse nightmares.
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on February 01, 2025, 12:43:57 PM
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on February 01, 2025, 12:44:01 PM
Underwhelmed, but he could do something. He might not. No risk I suppose?
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 12:44:03 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2025, 12:44:47 PM
Loan is fine , do not convert to permanent though.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on February 01, 2025, 12:44:47 PM
He was a good player though and he’s only 27. A loan with some or all wages covered seems fine to me.
Would like Tomori and maybe one other and I think it will have been an ok window.
Post by: caster troy on February 01, 2025, 12:45:39 PM
Romano says the deal is close on Rashford and we are covering his salary. Nightmare!
I've had worse nightmares.
Lazy, doesn’t track back, disruptive in the dressing room, can’t be bothered with training, doesn’t fit our system, selfish, pushes Ramsey to the bench, very very expensive.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2025, 12:45:42 PM
Taking a ‘gamble’ on Marcus Rashford vs some of the absolute tripe we have signed before, and some are incredibly wound up by it.
I’m not sure I get the reason to be quite so vexed ?
I think it's because he fed those kids that time.
Blackly.
(I actually don't think he'd be a good signing at all, but he does seem a lovely fella.)
There's a clip on YouTube of one of his management team doing a Q&A at a marketing conference a couple of years ago. In it, he explains how Marcus's concern for the kids was a great PR move that added millions to the value of brand 'Rashford'.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 12:46:33 PM
Wherever Rashford moves next I’d imagine what he wants/needs most is a good environment, a great coach and a club who don’t hang him out to dry in front of the media at every opportunity. That might end up being us, it might not but there’s a good player there somewhere and his next move is probably his last chance to prove it at this level.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I feel like he got a lot of criticism when he was just feeding kids, even from his own team's fans? A lot of people were just waiting for him to fall off so they could say told you so. Obviously he hasn't helped himself by partying and flying off when he shouldn't and what not, but I can't imagine what it would be like to attract that much criticism and vitriol for just doing some good. You can say the criticism of him now us warranted but you know a lot of it is coming from people who just hate him for no good reason.
I wonder if he knows any of our players from international camps or youth levels. You'd imagine if he's spoken to anyone who plays under Emery he'd know what to expect, and that everyone involved here meets the level expected from them.
There's also a little part of me that would just love him to be a massive success here, while Man Utd continue to flirt with relegation.
Post by: Matt C on February 01, 2025, 12:47:12 PM
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2025, 12:47:48 PM
Taking a ‘gamble’ on Marcus Rashford vs some of the absolute tripe we have signed before, and some are incredibly wound up by it.
I’m not sure I get the reason to be quite so vexed ?
I think it's because he fed those kids that time.
Blackly.
(I actually don't think he'd be a good signing at all, but he does seem a lovely fella.)
There's a clip on YouTube of one of his management team doing a Q&A at a marketing conference a couple of years ago. In it, he explains how Marcus's concern for the kids was a great PR move that added millions to the value of brand 'Rashford'.
I have in fact seen that, and yeah I'm absolutely certain that Rashford's concern is genuine and that the marketing teams surrounding these impressionable young men are 100% lizards.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 01, 2025, 12:49:46 PM
He’s scathing about man united generally despite obviously being a fan.
Post by: baddowvillans on February 01, 2025, 12:50:10 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2025, 12:50:32 PM
Taking a ‘gamble’ on Marcus Rashford vs some of the absolute tripe we have signed before, and some are incredibly wound up by it.
I’m not sure I get the reason to be quite so vexed ?
I think it's because he fed those kids that time.
Blackly.
(I actually don't think he'd be a good signing at all, but he does seem a lovely fella.)
There's a clip on YouTube of one of his management team doing a Q&A at a marketing conference a couple of years ago. In it, he explains how Marcus's concern for the kids was a great PR move that added millions to the value of brand 'Rashford'.
That was a devastatingly insightful comms observation from the guy: people who do good things are looked upon favourably. Stunning.
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on February 01, 2025, 12:52:26 PM
Post by: Matt C on February 01, 2025, 12:52:43 PM
Wherever Rashford moves next I’d imagine what he wants/needs most is a good environment, a great coach and a club who don’t hang him out to dry in front of the media at every opportunity. That might end up being us, it might not but there’s a good player there somewhere and his next move is probably his last chance to prove it at this level.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I feel like he got a lot of criticism when he was just feeding kids, even from his own team's fans? A lot of people were just waiting for him to fall off so they could say told you so. Obviously he hasn't helped himself by partying and flying off when he shouldn't and what not, but I can't imagine what it would be like to attract that much criticism and vitriol for just doing some good. You can say the criticism of him now us warranted but you know a lot of it is coming from people who just hate him for no good reason.
It started around that time, I think you are right. The media scrutiny seemed to go up a notch and because he’d got credit for a great initiative it was a tabloid vendetta to bring him down, as they do.
Most recently, having your coach tell the world he’d rather play the goalkeeping coach than you isn’t particularly helpful either.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 12:52:48 PM
Romano says the deal is close on Rashford and we are covering his salary. Nightmare!
I've had worse nightmares.
Lazy, doesn’t track back, disruptive in the dressing room, can’t be bothered with training, doesn’t fit our system, selfish, pushes Ramsey to the bench, very very expensive.
Disruptive in the dressing room is relative though, isn't it. By all accounts there's a pretty toxic environment at Man Utd and its been there for years. There was also, apparently, a split in the dressing room, with some players backing Ten Hag, and some wanting him sacked. There was a split around Sancho too, and possibly even Greenwood? Was Rashford the cause of all that, was he loudly advocating for one side or the other, was he just fed up of the whole thing and completely disillusioned with his job and colleagues?
Obviously he could be a massive twat and we're marching head first into failure with him. I don't know. I just take anything about that club and its players with a massive pinch of salt.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on February 01, 2025, 12:53:04 PM
The fact he absolutely skewered an appalling Tory Government makes him alright by me.
Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2025, 12:53:34 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 12:56:57 PM
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on February 01, 2025, 01:00:08 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 01:04:40 PM
You'd assume that option c is potentially less risk than actually paying the asking price for some of our preferred targets with January inflation added on.
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 01:05:08 PM
@lequipe
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2025, 01:07:06 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are monitoring Nice forward Evann Guessand — he’s on their shortlist.
@lequipe
Evan help us.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 01:07:37 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are monitoring Nice forward Evann Guessand — he’s on their shortlist.
@lequipe
It's all well and good that he's nice but can he play?
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2025, 01:08:27 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are monitoring Nice forward Evann Guessand — he’s on their shortlist.Who !?
@lequipe
Post by: andyh on February 01, 2025, 01:09:09 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 01:10:16 PM
I don't care if it takes a team of good fellas or Duráns, I just want us to win some fucking trophies.
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 01:19:31 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are monitoring Nice forward Evann Guessand — he’s on their shortlist.Who !?
@lequipe
Evanns above, you don't know who he is?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2025, 01:20:45 PM
Taking a ‘gamble’ on Marcus Rashford vs some of the absolute tripe we have signed before, and some are incredibly wound up by it.
I’m not sure I get the reason to be quite so vexed ?
I think it's because he fed those kids that time.
Blackly.
(I actually don't think he'd be a good signing at all, but he does seem a lovely fella.)
There's a clip on YouTube of one of his management team doing a Q&A at a marketing conference a couple of years ago. In it, he explains how Marcus's concern for the kids was a great PR move that added millions to the value of brand 'Rashford'.
That was a devastatingly insightful comms observation from the guy: people who do good things are looked upon favourably. Stunning.
That's why they get paid the big bucks.
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 01:24:49 PM
#AVFC have been in talks with Paris Saint-Germain and agent Mendes, as reported.
Asensio can now leave on loan with Ndour joining Fiorentina.
Rashford, very close… while talks for Asensio continue.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 01:26:32 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are monitoring Nice forward Evann Guessand — he’s on their shortlist.
@lequipe
There's an Ariana Grande song that goes "yes and...." . I think his surname could work with it. So it's a yes from me.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 01, 2025, 01:27:36 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are monitoring Nice forward Evann Guessand — he’s on their shortlist.
@lequipe
There's an Ariana Grande song that goes "yes and...." . I think his surname could work with it. So it's a yes from me.
All the bulbous fiftysomething HMHB fans will be right on that.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 01:28:12 PM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are monitoring Nice forward Evann Guessand — he’s on their shortlist.
@lequipe
There's an Ariana Grande song that goes "yes and...." . I think his surname could work with it. So it's a yes from me.
All the bulbous fiftysomething HMHB fans will be right on that.
I dunno, the Liverpool fans took to Dua Lipa, you never know.
Post by: Matt C on February 01, 2025, 01:30:26 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on February 01, 2025, 01:31:52 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 01:32:21 PM
Maybe we've accepted that we can't defend for shit, so may as well go all out attack.
Full Spurs.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 01, 2025, 01:35:42 PM
Romano says the deal is close on Rashford and we are covering his salary. Nightmare!
I've had worse nightmares.
Lazy, doesn’t track back, disruptive in the dressing room, can’t be bothered with training, doesn’t fit our system, selfish, pushes Ramsey to the bench, very very expensive.
Agree with all that. Was very good for a short time but a waster of the highest order.
Not happy with this move at all.
Post by: Clampy on February 01, 2025, 01:38:41 PM
Romano says the deal is close on Rashford and we are covering his salary. Nightmare!
I've had worse nightmares.
Lazy, doesn’t track back, disruptive in the dressing room, can’t be bothered with training, doesn’t fit our system, selfish, pushes Ramsey to the bench, very very expensive.
Agree with all that. Was very good for a short time but a waster of the highest order.
Not happy with this move at all.
Has he put your nose out of joint?
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 01:46:24 PM
No one could of predicted this move, not even Nostrildamus.Romano says the deal is close on Rashford and we are covering his salary. Nightmare!
I've had worse nightmares.
Lazy, doesn’t track back, disruptive in the dressing room, can’t be bothered with training, doesn’t fit our system, selfish, pushes Ramsey to the bench, very very expensive.
Agree with all that. Was very good for a short time but a waster of the highest order.
Not happy with this move at all.
Has he put your nose out of joint?
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2025, 01:48:43 PM
Wherever Rashford moves next I’d imagine what he wants/needs most is a good environment, a great coach and a club who don’t hang him out to dry in front of the media at every opportunity. That might end up being us, it might not but there’s a good player there somewhere and his next move is probably his last chance to prove it at this level.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I feel like he got a lot of criticism when he was just feeding kids, even from his own team's fans? A lot of people were just waiting for him to fall off so they could say told you so. Obviously he hasn't helped himself by partying and flying off when he shouldn't and what not, but I can't imagine what it would be like to attract that much criticism and vitriol for just doing some good. You can say the criticism of him now us warranted but you know a lot of it is coming from people who just hate him for no good reason.
It started around that time, I think you are right. The media scrutiny seemed to go up a notch and because he’d got credit for a great initiative it was a tabloid vendetta to bring him down, as they do.
Most recently, having your coach tell the world he’d rather play the goalkeeping coach than you isn’t particularly helpful either.
But surely those comments from the manager reflect how bad his performance and attitude must have been?
Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2025, 01:57:26 PM
Post by: Mister E on February 01, 2025, 02:03:12 PM
Not to be sneezed at, through a very large nose.No one could of predicted this move, not even Nostrildamus.Romano says the deal is close on Rashford and we are covering his salary. Nightmare!
I've had worse nightmares.
Lazy, doesn’t track back, disruptive in the dressing room, can’t be bothered with training, doesn’t fit our system, selfish, pushes Ramsey to the bench, very very expensive.
Agree with all that. Was very good for a short time but a waster of the highest order.
Not happy with this move at all.
Has he put your nose out of joint?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 02:05:09 PM
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 01, 2025, 02:12:52 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2025, 02:15:51 PM
The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
You don’t think they could have done that without us taking Rashford?
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on February 01, 2025, 02:18:13 PM
The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
I think we should just focus on our own house to be honest. Manchester United a/. Would’ve bought somebody anyway and b/. Haven’t exactly flourished in the transfer market of late so who cares?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2025, 02:22:01 PM
The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
Taking £160k a week off their wage bill (assuming they will cover half) isn't going to solve their financial problems. Despite making a fortune it all goes to paying off the Glazier's debt. They haven't a pot to piss in.
Post by: enigma on February 01, 2025, 02:23:20 PM
They've got their own PSR problems too. That's why they're willing to sell Mainoo, Garnacho etc.The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
You don’t think they could have done that without us taking Rashford?
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 02:29:03 PM
Reports say covering the lot, approx £5-£6 million over the 4 month loan.The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
Taking £160k a week off their wage bill (assuming they will cover half) isn't going to solve their financial problems. Despite making a fortune it all goes to paying off the Glazier's debt. They haven't a pot to piss in.
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 02:32:02 PM
@Plettigoal
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 01, 2025, 02:32:30 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2025, 02:33:32 PM
Reports say covering the lot, approx £5-£6 million over the 4 month loan.The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
Taking £160k a week off their wage bill (assuming they will cover half) isn't going to solve their financial problems. Despite making a fortune it all goes to paying off the Glazier's debt. They haven't a pot to piss in.
Last week they were prepared to cover 50% of his wages. £325k a week? Nobody can be that stupid.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 02:36:50 PM
Wherever Rashford moves next I’d imagine what he wants/needs most is a good environment, a great coach and a club who don’t hang him out to dry in front of the media at every opportunity. That might end up being us, it might not but there’s a good player there somewhere and his next move is probably his last chance to prove it at this level.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I feel like he got a lot of criticism when he was just feeding kids, even from his own team's fans? A lot of people were just waiting for him to fall off so they could say told you so. Obviously he hasn't helped himself by partying and flying off when he shouldn't and what not, but I can't imagine what it would be like to attract that much criticism and vitriol for just doing some good. You can say the criticism of him now us warranted but you know a lot of it is coming from people who just hate him for no good reason.
It started around that time, I think you are right. The media scrutiny seemed to go up a notch and because he’d got credit for a great initiative it was a tabloid vendetta to bring him down, as they do.
Most recently, having your coach tell the world he’d rather play the goalkeeping coach than you isn’t particularly helpful either.
But surely those comments from the manager reflect how bad his performance and attitude must have been?
I'm not saying his attitude or situation now doesn't warrant the criticism he's got from Amorim. I'm just questioning how he got to this position.
There was an almost gleeful reaction from some corners when he did start to drop off professionally, and if you've just spent a year being slated by even your own fans for essentially doing a good thing, and then your form slips and the reaction is more vitriol, then I dunno, that's bound to mess with your head a bit.
I said it earlier too, by all accounts there's a very negative atmosphere at Man Utd, so if you're dealing with something mentally and you go to work and it's just more shit, it would be very easy to lose interest. Obviously because these people get paid silly money there's often a consensus that they should just suck it up and stop being soft babies.
It's entirely possible he is just a lazy waster and we're about to make a massive mistake. I'm just saying we don't know exactly what's led to him being where he is now. And if we look at the Duran situation, we seem to have put a lot of effort, as a club, into helping him settle and progress. It didn't work for him, but maybe it's the kind of environment Rashford needs to be in to start moving forward again.
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 02:42:55 PM
Todays posts from Ornstein and Romano say the lost. But still, if it's only salary then it is only say £6M give or take...if it doesn't work out it's not a massive dent.Reports say covering the lot, approx £5-£6 million over the 4 month loan.The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
Taking £160k a week off their wage bill (assuming they will cover half) isn't going to solve their financial problems. Despite making a fortune it all goes to paying off the Glazier's debt. They haven't a pot to piss in.
Last week they were prepared to cover 50% of his wages. £325k a week? Nobody can be that stupid.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2025, 02:46:09 PM
Todays posts from Ornstein and Romano say the lost. But still, if it's only salary then it is only say £6M give or take...if it doesn't work out it's not a massive dent.Reports say covering the lot, approx £5-£6 million over the 4 month loan.The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
Taking £160k a week off their wage bill (assuming they will cover half) isn't going to solve their financial problems. Despite making a fortune it all goes to paying off the Glazier's debt. They haven't a pot to piss in.
Last week they were prepared to cover 50% of his wages. £325k a week? Nobody can be that stupid.
A million less than the fee to buy that centre half from Le Havre. No big deal, it's only money.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 02:47:13 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 01, 2025, 02:48:12 PM
They've got their own PSR problems too. That's why they're willing to sell Mainoo, Garnacho etc.The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
You don’t think they could have done that without us taking Rashford?
Rashford is also homegrown so would be an attractive sale for the bean counters.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2025, 02:48:31 PM
The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
Taking £160k a week off their wage bill (assuming they will cover half) isn't going to solve their financial problems. Despite making a fortune it all goes to paying off the Glazier's debt. They haven't a pot to piss in.
The only way it works out for Man United is if Rashford plays so brilliantly that a team is persuaded to take on his salary and give them a fee for his services. If that happens, it will have been great for us, too.
If Rashford doesn't play well for us, he's back at Man U, still with his huge contract that runs until 2028, and presumably fewer potential suitors.
It only "helps them out" if it helps us out.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2025, 02:54:07 PM
The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
Taking £160k a week off their wage bill (assuming they will cover half) isn't going to solve their financial problems. Despite making a fortune it all goes to paying off the Glazier's debt. They haven't a pot to piss in.
The only way it works out for Man United is if Rashford plays so brilliantly that a team is persuaded to take on his salary and give them a fee for his services. If that happens, it will have been great for us, too.
If Rashford doesn't play well for us, he's back at Man U, still with his huge contract that runs until 2028, and presumably fewer potential suitors.
It only "helps them out" if it helps us out.
Just getting him away from Old Trafford is massively helping them out. He'll be back there in the summer. I just hope he doesn't cause too much damage whilst he's here.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2025, 02:55:05 PM
The worst thing wrong with the rashford deal is that it allows man utd to go and buy a new striker. Why are we helping them out of their own mess.
Taking £160k a week off their wage bill (assuming they will cover half) isn't going to solve their financial problems. Despite making a fortune it all goes to paying off the Glazier's debt. They haven't a pot to piss in.
The only way it works out for Man United is if Rashford plays so brilliantly that a team is persuaded to take on his salary and give them a fee for his services. If that happens, it will have been great for us, too.
If Rashford doesn't play well for us, he's back at Man U, still with his huge contract that runs until 2028, and presumably fewer potential suitors.
It only "helps them out" if it helps us out.
Just getting him away from Old Trafford is massively helping them out. He'll be back there in the summer. I just hope he doesn't cause too much damage whilst he's here.
Hope he causes absolutely fucking loads of damage, tbh.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2025, 02:55:43 PM
Wherever Rashford moves next I’d imagine what he wants/needs most is a good environment, a great coach and a club who don’t hang him out to dry in front of the media at every opportunity. That might end up being us, it might not but there’s a good player there somewhere and his next move is probably his last chance to prove it at this level.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I feel like he got a lot of criticism when he was just feeding kids, even from his own team's fans? A lot of people were just waiting for him to fall off so they could say told you so. Obviously he hasn't helped himself by partying and flying off when he shouldn't and what not, but I can't imagine what it would be like to attract that much criticism and vitriol for just doing some good. You can say the criticism of him now us warranted but you know a lot of it is coming from people who just hate him for no good reason.
It started around that time, I think you are right. The media scrutiny seemed to go up a notch and because he’d got credit for a great initiative it was a tabloid vendetta to bring him down, as they do.
Most recently, having your coach tell the world he’d rather play the goalkeeping coach than you isn’t particularly helpful either.
But surely those comments from the manager reflect how bad his performance and attitude must have been?
I'm not saying his attitude or situation now doesn't warrant the criticism he's got from Amorim. I'm just questioning how he got to this position.
There was an almost gleeful reaction from some corners when he did start to drop off professionally, and if you've just spent a year being slated by even your own fans for essentially doing a good thing, and then your form slips and the reaction is more vitriol, then I dunno, that's bound to mess with your head a bit.
I said it earlier too, by all accounts there's a very negative atmosphere at Man Utd, so if you're dealing with something mentally and you go to work and it's just more shit, it would be very easy to lose interest. Obviously because these people get paid silly money there's often a consensus that they should just suck it up and stop being soft babies.
It's entirely possible he is just a lazy waster and we're about to make a massive mistake. I'm just saying we don't know exactly what's led to him being where he is now. And if we look at the Duran situation, we seem to have put a lot of effort, as a club, into helping him settle and progress. It didn't work for him, but maybe it's the kind of environment Rashford needs to be in to start moving forward again.
That's a good summation. With Duran gone we need a back up striker to.Ollie Watkins and the big one for me would be if he could play on the right side, as I do think we need another option there as well.
It might well be the case that he's completely gone at Manchester United (there's been a few like that there recently) and needs a complete change of scenery to get his career back on track. If that is the case and there is a genuine fire burning in him, then it could work out well.
The concern obviously is that he is that far gone that he can't recover what he once had. Dele Alli is a prime example of that and then you're left with a player that could be a problem. The fact that it's a short loan kind of negates that a bit, but it looks like it will be a very expensive one.
I just think it's a bit of strange one, as I can't really see where he is needed as a starter, unless he is going to come in on that right side. That said, it might just be a case of adding a player of his potential calibre to the squad for the important run-in.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 03:01:51 PM
However writing the guy off entirely based on his history at a club that's been rotting from the inside for years, is unnecessary, and some of the certainty I'm seeing from posters that Rashford himself is the sole problem, are unsettling, to say the least.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2025, 03:06:41 PM
^ I agree it's an odd one and seemingly not one we were looking at doing until yesterday, basically, and questions over whether we need a player in that position are valid.
However writing the guy off entirely based on his history at a club that's been rotting from the inside for years, is unnecessary, and some of the certainty I'm seeing from posters that Rashford himself is the sole problem, are unsettling, to say the least.
Regarding the first paragraph, it has crossed my mind today that him coming in would be a kind of insurance policy in case Arsenal did come back with an offer for Ollie Watkins that we couldn't turn down.
Post by: danno on February 01, 2025, 03:11:59 PM
He doesn’t fit into that 3-4-3, and his wages are too high for them to pay for the next three years.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2025, 03:19:16 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 01, 2025, 03:26:24 PM
Rashford aint got a clue , was a really good player once and Unai likes these type of players to sort out , thou the wages are a bit scary.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2025, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 03:37:26 PM
I think PSG pay him a fortune as they signed him on a free transfer from Real Madrid .Aye, Monchi said, one is tricky because of transfer fee, the other because of wages when talking about Felix and Asensio.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 01, 2025, 03:39:28 PM
^ I agree it's an odd one and seemingly not one we were looking at doing until yesterday, basically, and questions over whether we need a player in that position are valid.
However writing the guy off entirely based on his history at a club that's been rotting from the inside for years, is unnecessary, and some of the certainty I'm seeing from posters that Rashford himself is the sole problem, are unsettling, to say the least.
Regarding the first paragraph, it has crossed my mind today that him coming in would be a kind of insurance policy in case Arsenal did come back with an offer for Ollie Watkins that we couldn't turn down.
I though the general feeling was Rashford was better coming off the left rather than a central striker.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 01, 2025, 03:48:32 PM
Where's he from, Nose City?
No, it's an odd thing to pick up on.
I hope the meek get something.
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 03:50:35 PM
Understand Villa and United are closing in on loan deal, discussing buy option clause.
Emery called Rashford, player attracted by project & UCL football.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2025, 03:54:41 PM
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2025, 03:58:00 PM
Marco Asensio would be great addition with chumps league and his experience so starting to like the idea of this one now the cat is not coming.
Rashford aint got a clue , was a really good player once and Unai likes these type of players to sort out , thou the wages are a bit scary.
In a pretty disastrous season for Rashford in which he's barely played for the last two months he's scored as many goals as Asensio has in the last year and a half.
So why would Asensio be great and Rashford awful?
Post by: Jane on February 01, 2025, 03:59:33 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 01, 2025, 04:03:22 PM
^ I agree it's an odd one and seemingly not one we were looking at doing until yesterday, basically, and questions over whether we need a player in that position are valid.
However writing the guy off entirely based on his history at a club that's been rotting from the inside for years, is unnecessary, and some of the certainty I'm seeing from posters that Rashford himself is the sole problem, are unsettling, to say the least.
Regarding the first paragraph, it has crossed my mind today that him coming in would be a kind of insurance policy in case Arsenal did come back with an offer for Ollie Watkins that we couldn't turn down.
I though the general feeling was Rashford was better coming off the left rather than a central striker.
Pretty certain he’s been quoted saying he prefers playing on the left.
I had a look on Transfermarkt and his 30-goal season was pretty evenly split between playing down the middle and from the left so probably not much in it.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2025, 04:04:35 PM
Exciting news. Now get a centre-half by the Monday night and I'll be happy.
Is that all you want?
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 04:05:57 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 04:07:53 PM
Wonder what's happening with Disasi? If Felix is off the table since yesterday, if he was ever even on the table presumably it shouldn't be that hard to revive the deal?Spurs have gone in for him ( Disasi ) even though terms have been agreed with the player....just not Chelsea.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 04:10:32 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 04:34:35 PM
Wonder what's happening with Disasi? If Felix is off the table since yesterday, if he was ever even on the table presumably it shouldn't be that hard to revive the deal?Spurs have gone in for him ( Disasi ) even though terms have been agreed with the player....just not Chelsea.
Cant see that happening. Those clubs rarely do business with each other
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2025, 06:25:54 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 06:31:49 PM
@JPercyTelegraph
Post by: KevinGage on February 01, 2025, 07:47:42 PM
He may come good again.
But he’s way off it at the moment.
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2025, 07:54:47 PM
Replacement for Konsa, please.
He may come good again.
But he’s way off it at the moment.
We need to pull the stops out and sign a genuinely good centre half. Konsa needs proper competition once Torres is back.
We won't stop leaking goals though until we stop the idea of Tielemans as a holding mid. Kamara and Barkley is the only combination I would trust in there, and Barkley is made of glass.
Post by: brontebilly on February 01, 2025, 07:57:29 PM
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Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 07:58:40 PM
We need Douglas Luiz back asap
If that fool monchi had any common sense he would be on the phone tonight trying to get him back. That would create a massive buzz around the fanbase to get him back
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2025, 08:02:03 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 08:03:17 PM
This is the same Douglas Luiz who disappeared for half a season, was trying to get himself sent off at times, giving free kicks away on the edge of our own box? that one? The one who apologised to the fans for really poor performances? Let's move on shall we? We need centre backs and the same players who were excellent last season to find some form and stop being anonymous on the pitch.
The same Douglas luiz who has scored more goals than youri and onana combined this season in premier league goals you mean?
No shame in resigning ex players steve!
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 08:05:25 PM
Details being sorted with medical booked on Sunday, as
@JPercyTelegraph
Monchi now looking to a deal to bring in Wout Faes from Leicester. ;)
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2025, 08:08:55 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2025, 08:09:17 PM
This is the same Douglas Luiz who disappeared for half a season, was trying to get himself sent off at times, giving free kicks away on the edge of our own box? that one? The one who apologised to the fans for really poor performances? Let's move on shall we? We need centre backs and the same players who were excellent last season to find some form and stop being anonymous on the pitch.
The same Douglas luiz who has scored more goals than youri and onana combined this season in premier league goals you mean?
No shame in resigning ex players steve!
It won't help the defending, it won't help the lack of pace or the lack of creativity. If we have the money, we need to spend it properly elsewhere. Each to their own but we need better players further forward.
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 08:10:52 PM
Just offer the money to Lens to buy him outright, looks just what we need.Lens have turned down all offers of £21M for him.
Post by: brontebilly on February 01, 2025, 08:14:02 PM
Replacement for Konsa, please.
He may come good again.
But he’s way off it at the moment.
We need to pull the stops out and sign a genuinely good centre half. Konsa needs proper competition once Torres is back.
We won't stop leaking goals though until we stop the idea of Tielemans as a holding mid. Kamara and Barkley is the only combination I would trust in there, and Barkley is made of glass.
Barkley can't run either but Tielemans is just being targeted each game now by players running at him. Onana looks a dud too.
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2025, 08:14:04 PM
This is the same Douglas Luiz who disappeared for half a season, was trying to get himself sent off at times, giving free kicks away on the edge of our own box? that one? The one who apologised to the fans for really poor performances? Let's move on shall we? We need centre backs and the same players who were excellent last season to find some form and stop being anonymous on the pitch.
The same Douglas luiz who has scored more goals than youri and onana combined this season in premier league goals you mean?
No shame in resigning ex players steve!
It won't help the defending, it won't help the lack of pace or the lack of creativity. If we have the money, we need to spend it properly elsewhere. Each to their own but we need better players further forward.
I agree, but it is a double edged sword Steve. My issue is the way we want to play, the 2 in the double pivot have to be all things to all men. Onana ain't that. They need to do the defensive work, but also need to progress the ball. Douglas had the ability to release the forward players earlier, getting us behind faster than we are this season. I am using him as an example, but the reality for me is you look at Tonali and Guimares at Newcastle, they are top drawer.
Right now we need a centre half and a 10 more, but in the summer that midfield alongside Kamara needs to be looked at, and we need to scout like crazy to find a couple of options. Or hope Enzo is the answer, which he may well be.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 08:17:14 PM
This is the same Douglas Luiz who disappeared for half a season, was trying to get himself sent off at times, giving free kicks away on the edge of our own box? that one? The one who apologised to the fans for really poor performances? Let's move on shall we? We need centre backs and the same players who were excellent last season to find some form and stop being anonymous on the pitch.
The same Douglas luiz who has scored more goals than youri and onana combined this season in premier league goals you mean?
No shame in resigning ex players steve!
It won't help the defending, it won't help the lack of pace or the lack of creativity. If we have the money, we need to spend it properly elsewhere. Each to their own but we need better players further forward.
What he will help with though is improve our set pieces and attacking play. We can get a defender in to help with the defensive side.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 01, 2025, 09:00:01 PM
This is the same Douglas Luiz who disappeared for half a season, was trying to get himself sent off at times, giving free kicks away on the edge of our own box? that one? The one who apologised to the fans for really poor performances? Let's move on shall we? We need centre backs and the same players who were excellent last season to find some form and stop being anonymous on the pitch.
The same Douglas luiz who has scored more goals than youri and onana combined this season in premier league goals you mean?
No shame in resigning ex players steve!
Luiz has scored more goals in the Premier League this season than Youri and Onana? That's impressive.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 09:13:20 PM
This is the same Douglas Luiz who disappeared for half a season, was trying to get himself sent off at times, giving free kicks away on the edge of our own box? that one? The one who apologised to the fans for really poor performances? Let's move on shall we? We need centre backs and the same players who were excellent last season to find some form and stop being anonymous on the pitch.
The same Douglas luiz who has scored more goals than youri and onana combined this season in premier league goals you mean?
No shame in resigning ex players steve!
Luiz has scored more goals in the Premier League this season than Youri and Onana? That's impressive.
How embarrassing for you. Only you have said luiz 'this season'
Read it again luiz scored more goals - than onana and youri have 'this season'. As luiz is no longer our player i was obviously referring to last season when he was our player. But im sure you know this otherwise i would be a bit worried
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 01, 2025, 09:15:08 PM
This is the same Douglas Luiz who disappeared for half a season, was trying to get himself sent off at times, giving free kicks away on the edge of our own box? that one? The one who apologised to the fans for really poor performances? Let's move on shall we? We need centre backs and the same players who were excellent last season to find some form and stop being anonymous on the pitch.
The same Douglas luiz who has scored more goals than youri and onana combined this season in premier league goals you mean?
No shame in resigning ex players steve!
Luiz has scored more goals in the Premier League this season than Youri and Onana? That's impressive.
How embarrassing for you. Only you have said luiz 'this season'
Read it again luiz scored more goals - than onana and youri have 'this season'. As luiz is no longer our player i was obviously referring to last season when he was our player. But im sure you know this otherwise i would be a bit worried
Nothing is obvious with you.
Post by: Yeltzer on February 01, 2025, 09:22:55 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 01, 2025, 09:30:12 PM
Leon Bailey being considered by Man Utd according to The Athletic. This window is insane 🤯
£50m should do the trick.
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2025, 09:42:56 PM
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2025, 09:45:11 PM
Meanwhile... Tumbleweed on us getting a centre back in.
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2025, 09:49:22 PM
Leon Bailey being considered by Man Utd according to The Athletic. This window is insane 🤯
Yes please. I will provide the taxi.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2025, 09:58:26 PM
Meanwhile... Tumbleweed on us getting a centre back in.
Is he as reliable as JPercy and Romano?
Post by: caster troy on February 01, 2025, 10:00:09 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2025, 10:02:18 PM
Maybe we should bring Martin O’Neill in to help, he wasn’t scared to sign a central defender or two, or seven.
Only if we are looking for a new RB.
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 10:04:15 PM
@TheAthleticFC
Watch him play against us in the cup and be the best centre back in world football...on that day.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 01, 2025, 10:04:21 PM
Leon Bailey being considered by Man Utd according to The Athletic. This window is insane 🤯
prays true
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 10:05:38 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 10:12:12 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 10:14:30 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2025, 10:18:25 PM
Post by: Des Little on February 01, 2025, 10:19:37 PM
Leon Bailey being considered by Man Utd according to The Athletic. This window is insane 🤯
prays true
I’ll start the car. He’s so far off it it’s untrue.
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on February 01, 2025, 10:20:33 PM
So that’s Rashford and Asensio. Who’s the CB? Any “under the radar” links?
Post by: Des Little on February 01, 2025, 10:21:52 PM
We dont need danso. I mean why would we need centre backs when we can play defensive midfielders and left backs there?
I’d take Ted Danson if he can play centre back
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 10:24:36 PM
@elchiringuitotv
A player who knows how to pass a football straight to it's intended direction. He'll be our new Merse.
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2025, 10:24:59 PM
We dont need danso. I mean why would we need centre backs when we can play defensive midfielders and left backs there?
I’d take Ted Danson if he can play centre back
He's very tall. Would probably improve us at set pieces.
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 10:26:31 PM
Cheers for your tactical knowledge.We dont need danso. I mean why would we need centre backs when we can play defensive midfielders and left backs there?
I’d take Ted Danson if he can play centre back
He's very tall. Would probably improve us at set pieces.
Post by: Dave on February 01, 2025, 10:29:31 PM
A lot of actors in things he's been in must be very short.
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 10:31:12 PM
Travel to England on Sunday, as @alexsilvestresz reports.
👀 As revealed, Aston Villa work on both Asensio and Rashford. Separate topics, same as João Félix.
🚨 Aston Villa reach agreement to sign Marco Asensio from Paris Saint-Germain. 29yo Spanish forward joins #AVFC on loan to summer - full coverage of #PSG salary. Separate to Marcus Rashford arrival from Manchester United on loan + buy option
@TheAthleticFC
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GivE_gWXsAAuq49?format=jpg&name=small)
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on February 01, 2025, 10:31:37 PM
🚨🟣🔵 Marco Asensio to Aston Villa, here we go! Agreement in place on loan deal from PSG. Green light after Ndour exit.
Travel to England on Sunday, as @alexsilvestresz reports.
👀 As revealed, Aston Villa work on both Asensio and Rashford. Separate topics, same as João Félix.
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 01, 2025, 10:33:44 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 10:35:05 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 10:35:18 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2025, 10:35:30 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2025, 10:35:53 PM
What does he mean about Felix?
Somehow I think we still want him along with Diasi
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 01, 2025, 10:44:07 PM
What does he mean about Felix?
Somehow I think we still want him along with Diasi
So was the Felix to Milan premature?
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2025, 10:44:50 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 01, 2025, 10:57:25 PM
Tottenham made contact today and could sign two centre backs, based on conditions; as Dragusin is injured.
Post by: AV84 on February 01, 2025, 11:00:06 PM
So was the Felix to Milan premature?
Funny if the only player we didn't start an early thread for ends up actually signing for us.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 11:02:41 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 11:03:19 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 01, 2025, 11:06:49 PM
We’re not signing Felix.
Yeah, if Rashford and Asensio are in, I don't see it at all. Unless the Bailey move somehow happens, I guess.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 01, 2025, 11:07:06 PM
There will.
Of course there will.
Won't there?
Post by: brontebilly on February 01, 2025, 11:42:40 PM
Of course it could work, even in the short term like Coutinho did, but these signings are so out of character with everything Emery has done at the club so far, that I'm worried for the first time in his reign.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2025, 11:45:46 PM
There will be a centre-back.
There will.
Of course there will.
Won't there?
Think you could argue we might need two really, depending on the severity of the injuries to Torres and Mings.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2025, 11:53:31 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2025, 11:54:32 PM
We would laugh at someone like West Ham if they were leaking goals at an alarming rate and decided that likes of Asensio and Rashford were the answer. Only a couple of weeks after signing Malen too.If we do end up with Malen, Rashford, Asensio and Felix when we are leaking goals it will be equivalent of O’Neill signing a full set of back four when our problem was scoring goals.
Of course it could work, even in the short term like Coutinho did, but these signings are so out of character with everything Emery has done at the club so far, that I'm worried for the first time in his reign.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2025, 11:56:26 PM
It’s going to be one, Mings should be back soon and Torres must be 3/4 weeks.
That's my view too.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2025, 11:56:38 PM
We would laugh at someone like West Ham if they were leaking goals at an alarming rate and decided that likes of Asensio and Rashford were the answer. Only a couple of weeks after signing Malen too.If we do end up with Malen, Rashford, Asensio and Felix when we are leaking goals it will be equivalent of O’Neill signing a full set of back four when our problem was scoring goals.
Of course it could work, even in the short term like Coutinho did, but these signings are so out of character with everything Emery has done at the club so far, that I'm worried for the first time in his reign.
Ha ha
*buy entire back four*
*spend season ignoring most of them*
*buy another entire back four*
Post by: ozzjim on February 01, 2025, 11:57:14 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 02, 2025, 12:00:34 AM
We would laugh at someone like West Ham if they were leaking goals at an alarming rate and decided that likes of Asensio and Rashford were the answer. Only a couple of weeks after signing Malen too.If we do end up with Malen, Rashford, Asensio and Felix when we are leaking goals it will be equivalent of O’Neill signing a full set of back four when our problem was scoring goals.
Of course it could work, even in the short term like Coutinho did, but these signings are so out of character with everything Emery has done at the club so far, that I'm worried for the first time in his reign.
Ha ha
*buy entire back four*
*spend season ignoring most of them*
*buy another entire back four*
Talking of which, Habib Beye is the new Rennes manager.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 12:01:04 AM
Post by: AV84 on February 02, 2025, 12:06:46 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 02, 2025, 12:11:42 AM
It’s March isn’t it? I thought it was around two months.
It was 8 weeks initially but it would all depend on the seriousness of it. Whether that is match fit time or time to be back in training is also up in the air.
Post by: danno on February 02, 2025, 12:16:17 AM
We would laugh at someone like West Ham if they were leaking goals at an alarming rate and decided that likes of Asensio and Rashford were the answer. Only a couple of weeks after signing Malen too.
Of course it could work, even in the short term like Coutinho did, but these signings are so out of character with everything Emery has done at the club so far, that I'm worried for the first time in his reign.
We’ve played 24 games in the league. Two of our attacking midfielders (Ramsey and Bailey) have one goal a piece. I’m not surprised we’ve been looking at options because whatever mitigating factors there are that is not good enough for where we want to be.
It’s obvious we don’t prioritise clean sheets. We kept about seven in the league last season. We DO back ourselves to dominate possession create chances and score more goals than the opposition.
That’s simply not going to happen if only one of our three attacking midfielders (Rogers) is in any sort of form. It makes us far too easy to stop.
I’d like a defender too. But trying to ease the burden on Rogers and Watkins is equally important. We’ve ran both of them into the ground.
Duran is a big loss (7 league goals) we’d be crazier than he is to not try and replace that big a contribution. He has scored 20% of our goals in the league.
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 12:24:38 AM
@TomCollomosse
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 02, 2025, 12:24:58 AM
Torres is April I think. So quite a way yet. Whoever it is we'll need to buy them outright. Bade turning us down seems to have really screwed up our plans.
It really shouldn’t have though. Didn’t UE say himself that we have a list of players that we want for each position and work down it. Think Felix has messed up the plans as Disasi was a back up to Bade but then that stalled because of wanting him.
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2025, 12:28:29 AM
Asensio feels like a trial run with his contract only having 12 months left in the summer, Rashford God knows, Felix if we want him I've said all along just buy him for Unai and get on with it. One bright spot today was Malen looked like a centre forward to me, not a right winger, and he looked ok there, enough to mean we can at least take Ollie out the fire a bit.
Just that centre half.....
Post by: OCD on February 02, 2025, 12:48:48 AM
We're only allowed 2 loans, so not a chance we go for Felix now. Unless we're going to blow the lot on him and Disasi.
Isn't it 2 domestic loans? So the Asensio loan wouldn't count.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2025, 12:55:47 AM
It’s going to be one, Mings should be back soon and Torres must be 3/4 weeks.
Would imagine so, but I think ideally you need 5 centre halves in the squad or four and then a midfielder or full-back who can do a job there when needed. Calum Chambers filled that role for us for a couple of seasons and had to be called upon a few times.
The injuries and selling Carlos have exposed us badly at centre half and we haven't had that Chambers type of player (or Colin Calderwood for older posters!) who can just fill in during emergencies.
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2025, 06:45:39 AM
We're only allowed 2 loans, so not a chance we go for Felix now. Unless we're going to blow the lot on him and Disasi.
Isn't it 2 domestic loans? So the Asensio loan wouldn't count.
Quote
Premier League clubs can register a maximum of four players on loan at any time during a season. However, there are restrictions on the number of loans from the same club or from other Premier League clubs.
Restrictions
No more than one player can be on loan from the same club
No more than two players can be on loan from other Premier League clubs
A club cannot loan out a player they acquired in the same transfer window to another Premier League club
A club can only loan one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club
Post by: Rigadon on February 02, 2025, 07:08:04 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 07:16:46 AM
🚨🧨 Marcus Rashford is due to have a medical at Aston Villa today — buy option is £40m, with Villa paying 70% of his wages.
@TomCollomosse
70 % of his wages. Fucking hell villa. Thats a horrfic deal. Wouldnt be so bad if he was earning 200k a week.
Happy with the asensio loan though
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2025, 07:21:05 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 07:23:20 AM
You know he’s on similar wages right?
No i didnt know that. Are we also paying 70% of his wages too?
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2025, 07:25:56 AM
You know he’s on similar wages right?
No i didnt know that. Are we also paying 70% of his wages too?
According to Ornstein we're paying all of Asensio's wages.
Which is a far worse deal than Rashford's, if one cares about such things.
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 02, 2025, 07:30:33 AM
Post by: Steve67 on February 02, 2025, 07:32:56 AM
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on February 02, 2025, 07:36:00 AM
I know yesterday was a poor result but there’s one or two who are determined to enjoy the misery more than Mrs. Doyle right now.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 02, 2025, 07:43:10 AM
I want a permanent centre half signing who can push the other centre halves, and allows us to play Konsa at right back, for certain games.
Then loan in another attacker, I’d be happy with Ascensio, Felix and even Rashford if we are only picking up a small portion of their wages.
We’ve sent Swinkels, Gauci, Barry and possibly Ned out on loan cos Unai doesn’t think they are good enough for us atm.
I’d like us to bring back Illing-Jnr and Enzo, they are playing regular football in a good league, must be better than sticking a 3rd choice keeper on the bench, but then I’ve no idea if we do have a recall on their loans.
We certainly need a centre half but why would we ever want Konsa at right back. He’s an outstanding centre half and should be no where near right back.
Maybe Bosco noticed where Konsa played in all our outstanding defensive performances over the last season-and-a-half. Just a hunch.
I too want a centre-half to allow Konsa to move to right-back in certain games. As can be seen by simply watching our games and remembering what happened in them, Konsa/Pau is pretty porous central defensive partnership. Not as good as Konsa/Mings from 22/23, or Carlos/Pau from the last season and a half. If we want Pau in, he needs a better partner.
Couldn’t disagree more to be honest. I’ve watched him numerous times at right back and he simply isn’t one. He’s also said he doesn’t want to play in that position.
It’s not an opinion. It’s football results.
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2025, 07:44:29 AM
One positive is that both players, Rashford and Asensio, have something to prove as they are going into the last years of their contract. No one will want them if they flop.
Rashford has two and half left, earning £17m per year.
I'm pretty bullish on that he'll do well for us away from the Man Utd circus, but he'll be fine either way.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 02, 2025, 07:47:01 AM
I want a permanent centre half signing who can push the other centre halves, and allows us to play Konsa at right back, for certain games.
Then loan in another attacker, I’d be happy with Ascensio, Felix and even Rashford if we are only picking up a small portion of their wages.
We’ve sent Swinkels, Gauci, Barry and possibly Ned out on loan cos Unai doesn’t think they are good enough for us atm.
I’d like us to bring back Illing-Jnr and Enzo, they are playing regular football in a good league, must be better than sticking a 3rd choice keeper on the bench, but then I’ve no idea if we do have a recall on their loans.
We certainly need a centre half but why would we ever want Konsa at right back. He’s an outstanding centre half and should be no where near right back.
Maybe Bosco noticed where Konsa played in all our outstanding defensive performances over the last season-and-a-half. Just a hunch.
I too want a centre-half to allow Konsa to move to right-back in certain games. As can be seen by simply watching our games and remembering what happened in them, Konsa/Pau is pretty porous central defensive partnership. Not as good as Konsa/Mings from 22/23, or Carlos/Pau from the last season and a half. If we want Pau in, he needs a better partner.
Couldn’t disagree more to be honest. I’ve watched him numerous times at right back and he simply isn’t one. He’s also said he doesn’t want to play in that position.
I agree with the problem, not the solution. Torres and Konsa together doesn't work defensively. One partnership should be Mings and Konsa, the other should be Torres and new centre half, who absolutely needs to be a defender first and foremost. Injuries and suspensions lead to this mixing around, but that's the base. If Torres and the new Martin Laursen are playing, then Konsa goes to the bench, not right back.
What I'd give for Laursen right now. Best centre half in the league at the time, with some very, very strong competition.
Maybe not the solution now. But it has proven the best solution up to now.
Post by: Steve67 on February 02, 2025, 07:49:03 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 02, 2025, 07:58:38 AM
Carl Anka (athletic reporter and occasionally on the football daily podcast) wrote his biography and could not speak highly enough about Rashford having spent time with him and getting to know him.
He’s scathing about man united generally despite obviously being a fan.
I really like Carl Anka. He’s a cut above most football journos. Disappointed to learn he’s a Manure fan.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2025, 08:05:33 AM
Carl Anka (athletic reporter and occasionally on the football daily podcast) wrote his biography and could not speak highly enough about Rashford having spent time with him and getting to know him.
He’s scathing about man united generally despite obviously being a fan.
I really like Carl Anka. He’s a cut above most football journos. Disappointed to learn he’s a Manure fan.
I don’t know for certain but you could tell there was real angst and disappointment when talking about the shambles behind the scenes at Man U. Pretty sure James Richardson et al used to ask his opinion from a fans’ perspective too.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 08:06:25 AM
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2025, 08:12:09 AM
We're only allowed 2 loans, so not a chance we go for Felix now. Unless we're going to blow the lot on him and Disasi.
Isn't it 2 domestic loans? So the Asensio loan wouldn't count.QuotePremier League clubs can register a maximum of four players on loan at any time during a season. However, there are restrictions on the number of loans from the same club or from other Premier League clubs.
Restrictions
No more than one player can be on loan from the same club
No more than two players can be on loan from other Premier League clubs
A club cannot loan out a player they acquired in the same transfer window to another Premier League club
A club can only loan one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club
I still think it is only 2 at any one time, according to the Premier League website:
Under the rules in the Premier League Handbook 2024/25 (Download PDF, size: 18.2MB), there are restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs.
They are:
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.
- A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2025, 08:15:01 AM
In
Asensio, Rashford, Malen, Disasi, Garcia
Out
Duran, Buendia, Philogene, Carlos, Gauci,
Surely we're happy?
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 08:16:39 AM
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2025, 08:18:19 AM
We're only allowed 2 loans, so not a chance we go for Felix now. Unless we're going to blow the lot on him and Disasi.
Isn't it 2 domestic loans? So the Asensio loan wouldn't count.QuotePremier League clubs can register a maximum of four players on loan at any time during a season. However, there are restrictions on the number of loans from the same club or from other Premier League clubs.
Restrictions
No more than one player can be on loan from the same club
No more than two players can be on loan from other Premier League clubs
A club cannot loan out a player they acquired in the same transfer window to another Premier League club
A club can only loan one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club
I still think it is only 2 at any one time, according to the Premier League website:
Under the rules in the Premier League Handbook 2024/25 (Download PDF, size: 18.2MB), there are restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs.
They are:
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.
- A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.
But what you've quoted there "restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs".
So if we loan Rashford and Asensio we can still loan one more Premier League player (as long as it's not from Man Utd)
Edit - take Ipswich for example, they've currently got Phillips on loan from Man City and Enciso on loan from Brighton (so two Premier League loans). They've also got Godfrey on loan from Atalanta and Cajuste on loan from Napoli (giving them four in total).
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2025, 08:18:56 AM
Subject to a CB coming in I think the club have thrown the dice in a sensible yet ambitious way to give us a good chance of getting back into Europe.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 02, 2025, 08:33:54 AM
Garcia started the game well yesterday then went downhill fastThat was me up Clent yesterday
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2025, 08:34:06 AM
We're only allowed 2 loans, so not a chance we go for Felix now. Unless we're going to blow the lot on him and Disasi.
Isn't it 2 domestic loans? So the Asensio loan wouldn't count.QuotePremier League clubs can register a maximum of four players on loan at any time during a season. However, there are restrictions on the number of loans from the same club or from other Premier League clubs.
Restrictions
No more than one player can be on loan from the same club
No more than two players can be on loan from other Premier League clubs
A club cannot loan out a player they acquired in the same transfer window to another Premier League club
A club can only loan one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club
I still think it is only 2 at any one time, according to the Premier League website:
Under the rules in the Premier League Handbook 2024/25 (Download PDF, size: 18.2MB), there are restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs.
They are:
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
- Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window.
- A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club.
But what you've quoted there "restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs".
So if we loan Rashford and Asensio we can still loan one more Premier League player (as long as it's not from Man Utd)
Edit - take Ipswich for example, they've currently got Phillips on loan from Man City and Enciso on loan from Brighton (so two Premier League loans). They've also got Godfrey on loan from Atalanta and Cajuste on loan from Napoli (giving them four in total).
The Ipswich example helps, because reading the premier league handbook there is a huge dollop of ambiguity on overseas temporary transfers as they like to put them.
It does still pose the questions of 1. Will Chelsea loan us Disasi and 2. Would we then want to buy Felix.
Also, 3. Is Mings fit next Sunday, because Disasi is cup tied.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 08:48:39 AM
Post by: Bosco81 on February 02, 2025, 08:51:35 AM
If it ends up like this..
In
Asensio, Rashford, Malen, Disasi, Garcia
Out
Duran, Buendia, Philogene, Carlos, Gauci,
Surely we're happy?
I’d be happy with the attacking options, possibly a “better” centre half than Disasi, but I’ve not watched him loads, and possibly a loan for a left sided centre half, in case Mings or Torres suffer any setbacks.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2025, 08:51:58 AM
I’m ok with the coverage of wages over the short-term because it’s not that big of a hit. Does suggest though that even if they’re very good they’re unlikely to be here over the long-term.
that was my original thought but the deal agreed in pencil with Rashford suggests otherwise, if true.
Post by: Dick Edwards on February 02, 2025, 09:01:29 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on February 02, 2025, 09:28:09 AM
If it ends up like this..
In
Asensio, Rashford, Malen, Disasi, Garcia
Out
Duran, Buendia, Philogene, Carlos, Gauci,
Surely we're happy?
With a healthy balance sheet and P&L.
2 things. Firstly there are 2 massive ifs there with Asensio and Disasi. Are they here? Or nearly here - only about 40 hours to go.
Secondly Rashford - yeah he could be half as good as McGrath and we'd love that or he could be Collymore/Drinkwater give me one chance and not really giving a shit anymore. That is more my worry.
He hasn't been putting in hard yards in training so how many minutes in many games are we going to get. He will in effect be Duran's replacement - unlike Duran he hasn't played well for 18 months.
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2025, 09:33:01 AM
If it ends up like this..
In
Asensio, Rashford, Malen, Disasi, Garcia
Out
Duran, Buendia, Philogene, Carlos, Gauci,
Surely we're happy?
With a healthy balance sheet and P&L.
2 things. Firstly there are 2 massive ifs there with Asensio and Disasi. Are they here? Or nearly here - only about 40 hours to go.
Asensio and Rashford appear to be nailed on. And whether it's Disasi or someone else, we're definitely signing a centre-back of some sort.
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2025, 09:36:53 AM
Post by: Beard82 on February 02, 2025, 09:45:26 AM
We can the regroup in the summer and see were we go. The dont see Rashford or Asensio being here next season - wages are too much. But they have some quality that if we can bring out may help us over the rest of the season. Feels like a sliding doors season - we really need to finish top 6 as I think well struggle to keep our better players if we dont get at least Europa League. We need to somehow get a run of 5 wins or similar but it just doesnt seem to be happening.
Feasibly we dont know now if were likely to be planning for another season in UCL, Europa, or potentially having to re-group to go again - so the last thing we want is players on big wages that arent 100% our most important players - so these loans make sense.
It reminds me a lot of the season we came up - we dont seem to know our best team, and injuries, loss of form and distruption just seems to stop us forming any momentum - hopefully well get it together in last 3rd of the season.
Bailey and Konsa complete loss of form is the most harmful thing - probably more so that anything else.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 02, 2025, 09:48:02 AM
You know he’s on similar wages right?
No i didnt know that. Are we also paying 70% of his wages too?
We’d be paying all of his I assume as they’re not desperate to get him out as far as I know.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2025, 10:04:17 AM
I'd sign pretty much any fucker that can allow Bouba to get back into midfield.
Post by: caster troy on February 02, 2025, 10:06:01 AM
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2025, 10:06:56 AM
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 10:08:49 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 02, 2025, 10:12:51 AM
Yet Emery constantly says the premier league is most important. If we don't get a run goingnsoon the top 5/6 will be out of reach and the league campaign will fizzle out and then what motivation will these 2 very expensive loanees have .
To win the Champions League (with the FA Cup as a bonus).
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2025, 10:14:23 AM
It seems to me this strategy is focussed very short term on having a crack at the champions league and FA Cup. Realistically with conventional transfers we aren’t going to win them, but we are taking a punt on Rashford and Asensio playing to their highest standard and taking us deep in the cups. If we crash out these are only loans, so we can replan in the summer based on which European competition (if any) we are in next season.
That’s my view too. We’re gambling with some huge short term investments hoping they come in.
The upside is massive (CL football again?) and we’ve mitigated the downside by only committing to loans.
Could turn out to be a good window if we land a decent centre back.
Post by: Dick Edwards on February 02, 2025, 10:16:07 AM
Yet Emery constantly says the premier league is most important. If we don't get a run goingnsoon the top 5/6 will be out of reach and the league campaign will fizzle out and then what motivation will these 2 very expensive loanees have .Despite our inconsistent league form we’re only four points away from the Champions League places. All things are still very achievable
Post by: caster troy on February 02, 2025, 10:17:34 AM
Post by: Garyth on February 02, 2025, 10:18:36 AM
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Could turn out to be a good window if we land a decent centre back.
Indeed. I’m reloading news sources as much as the next person, but it’s still a truism that you can really only tell how good transfers are in hindsight.
Just like we’ll judge Monchi properly in 2 years time, rather than two weeks.
Post by: brontebilly on February 02, 2025, 10:24:44 AM
Even mild mannered Jamie Redknapp saying last night that Rashford doesn't even deserve this chance with us.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 10:27:02 AM
Post by: Astnor on February 02, 2025, 10:29:59 AM
Put it this way, Id have far preferred giving Buendia more of a chance than getting in Rashford. Amorim has exposed him as the worst professional in the league, not that it was much of a secret beforehand.Redknapp s comment can look like Rashford has something to prove, which must be a good thing if he is coming and do feel it like that.
Even mild mannered Jamie Redknapp saying last night that Rashford doesn't even deserve this chance with us.
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2025, 10:31:09 AM
Just like we’ll judge Monchi properly in 2 years time, rather than two weeks.
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Could turn out to be a good window if we land a decent centre back.
Very true. If we ride out this transition period keeping our head near the top, have a good cup run with, so far a very good Champions League and finally get out of this financial burden which has held us back, that’s the time to judge.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2025, 10:32:01 AM
If is doing some heavy lifting.Just like we’ll judge Monchi properly in 2 years time, rather than two weeks.
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Could turn out to be a good window if we land a decent centre back.
Very true. If we ride out this transition period keeping our head near the top, have a good cup run with, so far a very good Champions League and finally get out of this financial burden which has held us back, that’s the time to judge.
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2025, 10:33:23 AM
It’s about timing.
Clubs dont decide they need a player in the last 48 hours of the window, and then try and go and get him.
It’s about availability, other players moving, negotiations, and ultimately, brinkmanship.
Why buy a player on day 1 of the window when you can save a months salary if you can wait a few weeks.
For instance, anyone who thinks we decided to go after Rashford on Friday and land him in Saturday is seriously delusional.
I suspect talks have been going on for weeks.
You dont negotiate a multi million pound deal for an elite athlete, in a couple of days, whether that is Marcus Rashford or a centre half.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2025, 10:33:54 AM
It’s annoying now but we’re creating an environment where we won’t need to fire sale “Luiz” anymore and can grow sustainably.
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2025, 10:34:41 AM
If is doing some heavy lifting.Just like we’ll judge Monchi properly in 2 years time, rather than two weeks.
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Could turn out to be a good window if we land a decent centre back.
Very true. If we ride out this transition period keeping our head near the top, have a good cup run with, so far a very good Champions League and finally get out of this financial burden which has held us back, that’s the time to judge.
I see it that we are actually doing it? Were certainly way off last season first half of the season, however we’ve played some great games in Europe, we’re not far off the top four and our finances are starting to look healthy.
Of course we’ve had some terrible set backs, which happens during a transition period. Maybe a little patience is required?
Post by: LeeB on February 02, 2025, 10:35:53 AM
It’s nothing to do with poor planning.
It’s about timing.
Clubs dont decide they need a player in the last 48 hours of the window, and then try and go and get him.
It’s about availability, other players moving, negotiations, and ultimately, brinkmanship.
Why buy a player on day 1 of the window when you can save a months salary if you can wait a few weeks.
For instance, anyone who thinks we decided to go after Rashford on Friday and land him in Saturday is seriously delusional.
I suspect talks have been going on for weeks.
You done negotiate a multi million pound deal for an elite athlete, in a couple of days.
The way people go on its pretty clear they do not consider this at all.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2025, 10:36:36 AM
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 10:36:50 AM
It’s nothing to do with poor planning.That's why the planning stage should begin in November / December . Rashford and ascensio on Feb 2nd smacks of panic buys
It’s about timing.
Clubs dont decide they need a player in the last 48 hours of the window, and then try and go and get him.
It’s about availability, other players moving, negotiations, and ultimately, brinkmanship.
Why buy a player on day 1 of the window when you can save a months salary if you can wait a few weeks.
For instance, anyone who thinks we decided to go after Rashford on Friday and land him in Saturday is seriously delusional.
I suspect talks have been going on for weeks.
You dont negotiate a multi million pound deal for an elite athlete, in a couple of days, whether that is Marcus Rashford or a centre half.
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2025, 10:37:28 AM
Whoooooooooosh, there it goes…..straight over the topIt’s nothing to do with poor planning.That's why the planning stage should begin in November / December . Rashford and ascensio on Feb 2nd smacks of panic buys
It’s about timing.
Clubs dont decide they need a player in the last 48 hours of the window, and then try and go and get him.
It’s about availability, other players moving, negotiations, and ultimately, brinkmanship.
Why buy a player on day 1 of the window when you can save a months salary if you can wait a few weeks.
For instance, anyone who thinks we decided to go after Rashford on Friday and land him in Saturday is seriously delusional.
I suspect talks have been going on for weeks.
You dont negotiate a multi million pound deal for an elite athlete, in a couple of days, whether that is Marcus Rashford or a centre half.
Post by: LeeB on February 02, 2025, 10:37:44 AM
Great news on the financials but we can’t play a stack of cash at centre half, can we?
It would have given Carlos competition, I'm sure.
Post by: AV84 on February 02, 2025, 10:37:51 AM
Great news on the financials but we can’t play a stack of cash at centre half, can we?
A tall enough stack, I'd give it a go.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2025, 10:39:31 AM
It’s difficult after another shit show yesterday.If is doing some heavy lifting.Just like we’ll judge Monchi properly in 2 years time, rather than two weeks.
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Could turn out to be a good window if we land a decent centre back.
Very true. If we ride out this transition period keeping our head near the top, have a good cup run with, so far a very good Champions League and finally get out of this financial burden which has held us back, that’s the time to judge.
I see it that we are actually doing it? Were certainly way off last season first half of the season, however we’ve played some great games in Europe, we’re not far off the top four and our finances are starting to look healthy.
Of course we’ve had some terrible set backs, which happens during a transition period. Maybe a little patience is required?
I would have thought that qualifying for next years CL would be the priority, that does not require patience it needs getting more than 1 point against West Ham and Wolves.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 10:42:48 AM
Great news on the financials but we can’t play a stack of cash at centre half, can we?
A stack of cash would be more use than Konsa this season. There's a chance that a long ball would bounce off it rather than Konsa letting it bounce.
Post by: brontebilly on February 02, 2025, 10:44:02 AM
Great news on the financials but we can’t play a stack of cash at centre half, can we?
It would have given Carlos competition, I'm sure.
Quicker on the turn too
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 10:44:40 AM
Great news on the financials but we can’t play a stack of cash at centre half, can we?
Indeed we desperately need a centre-half. The reckless decision to risk a week or so with 2 fit centre halves has cost us points against very ordinary opposition.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 10:46:14 AM
Agree , poor planning , the defence is a mess it really is.Great news on the financials but we can’t play a stack of cash at centre half, can we?
Indeed we desperately need a centre-half. The reckless decision to risk a week or so with 2 fit centre halves has cost us points against very ordinary opposition.
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2025, 10:46:29 AM
It’s nothing to do with poor planning.
It’s about timing.
Clubs dont decide they need a player in the last 48 hours of the window, and then try and go and get him.
It’s about availability, other players moving, negotiations, and ultimately, brinkmanship.
Why buy a player on day 1 of the window when you can save a months salary if you can wait a few weeks.
For instance, anyone who thinks we decided to go after Rashford on Friday and land him in Saturday is seriously delusional.
I suspect talks have been going on for weeks.
You dont negotiate a multi million pound deal for an elite athlete, in a couple of days, whether that is Marcus Rashford or a centre half.
Absolutely this. It shouldn't need explaining really. I'm sure they had a list of players who they would like to replace Duran with in the event that he left. Rashford I presume was on the list. I doubt they decided a couple of days ago.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2025, 10:49:27 AM
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2025, 10:55:23 AM
But that’s how it works in Football Manager and I took Leyton Orient to the Conference League.That has made me laugh
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 02, 2025, 10:55:37 AM
That's why the planning stage should begin in November / December . Rashford and ascensio on Feb 2nd smacks of panic buys
Sometimes you have to allow for the fact that not everyone is a master negotiator like your good self.
If only Monchi hadn't spent the last 5 months playing Candy Crush Saga at BMH. :(
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2025, 10:57:44 AM
But that’s how it works in Football Manager and I took Leyton Orient to the Conference League.That has made me laugh
Made me chuckle too.
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 11:02:42 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 11:05:17 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2025, 11:09:24 AM
Why buy a player on day 1 of the window when you can save a months salary if you can wait a few weeks.
So you can play them in defense rather than your best midfielder?
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 11:10:08 AM
Jacob Tanswell
@J_Tanswell
Aston Villa defender Kosta Nedeljkovic will join RB Leipzig on loan for the remainder of the season. Still needs to complete medical but an agreement between clubs is finalised.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2025, 11:11:20 AM
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 11:17:25 AM
@ed_aarons
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 11:21:47 AM
You know he’s on similar wages right?
No i didnt know that. Are we also paying 70% of his wages too?
According to Ornstein we're paying all of Asensio's wages.
Which is a far worse deal than Rashford's, if one cares about such things.
Yeah i wasnt aware of that and i absolutely agree with that. My god what the hell are we doing
Post by: Rigadon on February 02, 2025, 11:25:40 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 11:26:44 AM
I’m going glass half full. Asensio and Rashford to click straight away and we finish 4th and win the CL.
I would love nothing more to be wrong and that to happen
Post by: Dick Edwards on February 02, 2025, 11:31:57 AM
Maybe the deal is we pay the wages so we don't have to pay a loan fee. Swings and roundabouts.You know he’s on similar wages right?
No i didnt know that. Are we also paying 70% of his wages too?
According to Ornstein we're paying all of Asensio's wages.
Which is a far worse deal than Rashford's, if one cares about such things.
Yeah i wasnt aware of that and i absolutely agree with that. My god what the hell are we doing
Post by: FatSam on February 02, 2025, 11:32:38 AM
Great news on the financials but we can’t play a stack of cash at centre half, can we?Depends if it’s able to return it with interest! ‘AVE IT!!!
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 11:34:25 AM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are interested in Sunderland’s 18 year old winger Tommy Watson & are expected to make a bid.
@ed_aarons
Reminds me of someone who used to play for us
https://youtu.be/kLnjMYfjtII?si=Xx26hxUx_usv8yDX
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2025, 11:35:27 AM
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2025, 11:36:14 AM
Am I right to assume that the people in charge of these deals will have looked at the finances and seen that they work, and that therefore people like me, with no knowledge, insight or control, should simply not give a fuck how much of players’ wages we’re paying?
It's what I'm going with
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 11:36:37 AM
Am I right to assume that the people in charge of these deals will have looked at the finances and seen that they work, and that therefore people like me, with no knowledge, insight or control, should simply not give a fuck how much of players’ wages we’re paying?
If you assume that everyone in a position of power gets everything right then yes.
Post by: Ger Regan on February 02, 2025, 11:37:51 AM
Am I right to assume that the people in charge of these deals will have looked at the finances and seen that they work, and that therefore people like me, with no knowledge, insight or control, should simply not give a fuck how much of players’ wages we’re paying?I mean, i'd generally agree with you, but the forum would be a bit quiet if we weren't to discuss such issues. Which admittedly in some cases might be a good thing.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2025, 11:38:14 AM
Am I right to assume that the people in charge of these deals will have looked at the finances and seen that they work, and that therefore people like me, with no knowledge, insight or control, should simply not give a fuck how much of players’ wages we’re paying?
If you assume that everyone in a position of power gets everything right then yes.
And if I didn’t assume that, what should I then do about it?
Post by: Gareth on February 02, 2025, 11:38:56 AM
If we get an angry Rashford I’ll be happy, I don’t want the sap who has drifted there for last 2/3 years but hopefully all the criticism has fired up the burners under him.
If we get a centre half before deadline I’ll be ok with the window, obviously rolling the dice to try and get Europe again next year
One thing I do hope is that at least one of the youngsters ie JimohAloba gets some time in the FA Cup game, starting to feel like the bench is a glass ceiling to the youngsters…if they are good enough to be named on the bench they should be used occasionally.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2025, 11:39:05 AM
It works for me.
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 11:39:41 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2025, 11:39:53 AM
Am I right to assume that the people in charge of these deals will have looked at the finances and seen that they work, and that therefore people like me, with no knowledge, insight or control, should simply not give a fuck how much of players’ wages we’re paying?I mean, i'd generally agree with you, but the forum would be a bit quiet if we weren't to discuss such issues. Which admittedly in some cases might be a good thing.
Sure, but I don’t think ‘that’s too much!’ and ‘no it isn’t!’ are particularly fertile grounds for debate when none of us know anything.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 11:40:27 AM
Am I right to assume that the people in charge of these deals will have looked at the finances and seen that they work, and that therefore people like me, with no knowledge, insight or control, should simply not give a fuck how much of players’ wages we’re paying?
If you assume that everyone in a position of power gets everything right then yes.
And if I didn’t assume that, what should I then do about it?
Whatever you want. Chain yourself to the Trinity Road gates and go on hunger strike until you get a meeting with our Chief Financial Officer (If we still have one) and point out what errors you think we are making.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2025, 11:41:17 AM
Am I right to assume that the people in charge of these deals will have looked at the finances and seen that they work, and that therefore people like me, with no knowledge, insight or control, should simply not give a fuck how much of players’ wages we’re paying?
If you assume that everyone in a position of power gets everything right then yes.
And if I didn’t assume that, what should I then do about it?
Whatever you want. Chain yourself to the Trinity Road gates and go on hunger strike until you get a meeting with our Chief Financial Officer (If we still have one) and point out what errors you think we are making.
Yeah, I think I just won’t give a fuck.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2025, 11:43:11 AM
Am I right to assume that the people in charge of these deals will have looked at the finances and seen that they work, and that therefore people like me, with no knowledge, insight or control, should simply not give a fuck how much of players’ wages we’re paying?I mean, i'd generally agree with you, but the forum would be a bit quiet if we weren't to discuss such issues. Which admittedly in some cases might be a good thing.
Sure, but I don’t think ‘that’s too much!’ and ‘no it isn’t!’ are particularly fertile grounds for debate when none of us know anything.
It was quite funny watching Rashford pick up £350k a week when clearly not giving a fuck at ManU. Not quite as amusing now.
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2025, 11:43:39 AM
Am I right to assume that the people in charge of these deals will have looked at the finances and seen that they work, and that therefore people like me, with no knowledge, insight or control, should simply not give a fuck how much of players’ wages we’re paying?You might be onto something but maybe the club should ask our advice regardless?
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 11:45:11 AM
Am I right to assume that the people in charge of these deals will have looked at the finances and seen that they work, and that therefore people like me, with no knowledge, insight or control, should simply not give a fuck how much of players’ wages we’re paying?I mean, i'd generally agree with you, but the forum would be a bit quiet if we weren't to discuss such issues. Which admittedly in some cases might be a good thing.
Sure, but I don’t think ‘that’s too much!’ and ‘no it isn’t!’ are particularly fertile grounds for debate when none of us know anything.
It was quite funny watching Rashford pick up £350k a week when clearly not giving a fuck at ManU. Not quite as amusing now.
As usual we come to their rescue.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 02, 2025, 11:54:52 AM
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 12:00:20 PM
Andrija Maksimovic another rumour , maybe a mate of Ned's .
“He is the son of Serbian footballer Mirko Maksimović.[17] He earned the nickname "Mesi" (Serbian Cyrillic: "Меси") as a child because of his resemblance to Lionel Messi with his distinctive long hair.”
Shame it’s not for his ability
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 12:03:30 PM
Haha that made me chuckleWhy buy a player on day 1 of the window when you can save a months salary if you can wait a few weeks.
So you can play them in defense rather than your best midfielder?
Post by: Rigadon on February 02, 2025, 12:03:57 PM
I’m going glass half full. Asensio and Rashford to click straight away and we finish 4th and win the CL.
I would love nothing more to be wrong and that to happen
Demitri, you have an option here. Why don't you try and see it optimistically - it might make you a bit happier if nothing else and what's that saying: 'a pessimist suffers twice'?
We have sold a bunch of second stringers and Duran, who could be great or could be anonymous in a few years. We've sold him for really good money and to a team that we will never be in competition win. As far as transfers go, that's a pretty good outcome.
We're seemingly signing Rashford, a player who has lost his mojo but was pretty close to being world class a couple of years ago, and a player whose been there and done it at the highest level, but has potentially passed his peak. Both are loans so the risk is very minimal. We'll sign a centre half I'm sure.
I think, on reflection, it might just be a season changing (for a good reason) window where we have added new dimensions to our starting 11. Until proven otherwise, that's what I'm going to believe. AND it's Unai Emery choosing these players, not Steven "play Phil Collins or I'll chin yer" Gerrard, albeit we have him to thank for Mr Kamara.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 12:05:28 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 02, 2025, 12:07:28 PM
A huge positive is that surely with the Champions League money and players sales we've made then post season we can have a real go at it rather than sign players from Luton and Hull. With no Europe next season it could be another great one.
You're writing off qualifying for Europe this season? We played a crap game yesterday, but I'm astonished anybody would think we aren't in the mix for some kind of European slot.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 12:08:50 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 12:10:48 PM
A huge positive is that surely with the Champions League money and players sales we've made then post season we can have a real go at it rather than sign players from Luton and Hull. With no Europe next season it could be another great one.
You're writing off qualifying for Europe this season? We played a crap game yesterday, but I'm astonished anybody would think we aren't in the mix for some kind of European slot.
I think we will finish 7th/8th. That could get you conference league next season or possibly not. I don't think we've been anywhere near good enough for top 6 this season and can't see that changing unless the loan gambles come off.
Post by: caster troy on February 02, 2025, 12:11:14 PM
A huge positive is that surely with the Champions League money and players sales we've made then post season we can have a real go at it rather than sign players from Luton and Hull. With no Europe next season it could be another great one.
The worry is losing any/all of Emi/Bouba/Ollie if we aren't in the Champions League again.
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2025, 12:12:25 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 12:14:33 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on February 02, 2025, 12:15:51 PM
If it is Disasi, he's a right sided defender isn't he, so if he had come in sooner, either him or Konsa would have had to play on the left which is why I think he's gone with Kamara maybe knowing that Mings was only going to be out for a couple of games.
Konsa did well on left side for England when I have seen him so not a major issue
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 12:16:37 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on February 02, 2025, 12:17:27 PM
Id take a few of brentfords players personally. Mbeumo being the obvious one
Excellent player.
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2025, 12:27:32 PM
I think we've been down the route and had the discussion before that primarily signing players from lower down clubs or subs benches eventually degrades your team. Our summer deals were Chelsea subs bench, Everton, Hull, Juventus subs bench, Luton and Sheffield Utd. I don't think it's worked and the performances and league position at the moment back that up.
Well, we're about to sign two players from Man Utd and PSG and you're still not happy. Just try not to be angry about absolutely everything. You'll feel better for it.
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 12:30:56 PM
@sachatavolieri
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 12:34:51 PM
@TomCollomosse
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 12:37:13 PM
@CharDuncker
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 12:37:54 PM
Chelsea asking for important financial package for João to direct competitor for UCL.
Discussions for Axel Disasi continue but also with important loan fee requested, not easy one.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2025, 12:40:21 PM
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 12:44:42 PM
Chelsea asking for important financial package for João to direct competitor for UCL.
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 12:46:13 PM
What does this bit mean?We're a direct competitor with Chelsea for a Champions League place in the league...a rival.
Chelsea asking for important financial package for João to direct competitor for UCL.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 12:46:40 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 12:47:13 PM
I assume something along those lines
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 12:49:10 PM
We need a bloody centre-half.I used to put Michael Owen at centre back on Pro Evolution Soccer and run all the way up the other end with him and score. If Emery has ever watched Game Master then I think Rashford could be used in a similar way.
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 12:49:56 PM
If i was a guessing man a massively CL bonus if we qualify as well as other silly expensove clauses that chelsea might want. As we have them in next few weeks if felix came back to haunt them then they want to be compensated for that.No, nothing like that.
I assume something along those lines
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2025, 12:51:15 PM
If i was a guessing man
What would it take for you to become a guessing man?
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 12:52:21 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2025, 12:52:49 PM
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2025, 01:01:18 PM
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 01:02:48 PM
So Chelsea have been pissing us about. Cost us decent points. Clever strategy from them.
And there was us thinking they were our new best friends after Maatsen, Carney etc
Post by: supertom on February 02, 2025, 01:03:40 PM
I can only see Mings being progressively more prone to injury too (and there have always been question marks over his consistency). Pau is Rolls Royce but I feel like he'd be better in a back 3 and we are unlikely to play that consistently.
I believe two loans at any one time is the max (though don't quote me on that), so a Lenglet-type deal isn't possible if we complete Rash and Asensio.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 01:10:20 PM
I think we've been down the route and had the discussion before that primarily signing players from lower down clubs or subs benches eventually degrades your team. Our summer deals were Chelsea subs bench, Everton, Hull, Juventus subs bench, Luton and Sheffield Utd. I don't think it's worked and the performances and league position at the moment back that up.
Well, we're about to sign two players from Man Utd and PSG and you're still not happy. Just try not to be angry about absolutely everything. You'll feel better for it.
Panic loans. Wake up.
Post by: Gareth on February 02, 2025, 01:10:55 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2025, 01:13:25 PM
I'd like to see two central defenders come in, one of which needs to be a new main man at the back. Going forward I'm not wholly convinced any of our centre-halves are good enough for top 4. Konsa has flattered to deceive for a year now to be brutally honest, albeit he's not been helped by a constant rotation of partners.
I can only see Mings being progressively more prone to injury too (and there have always been question marks over his consistency). Pau is Rolls Royce but I feel like he'd be better in a back 3 and we are unlikely to play that consistently.
I believe two loans at any one time is the max (though don't quote me on that), so a Lenglet-type deal isn't possible if we complete Rash and Asensio.
I agree, with one being someone who can cover RB when Mings and Torres return.
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2025, 01:19:45 PM
I think we've been down the route and had the discussion before that primarily signing players from lower down clubs or subs benches eventually degrades your team. Our summer deals were Chelsea subs bench, Everton, Hull, Juventus subs bench, Luton and Sheffield Utd. I don't think it's worked and the performances and league position at the moment back that up.
Well, we're about to sign two players from Man Utd and PSG and you're still not happy. Just try not to be angry about absolutely everything. You'll feel better for it.
Panic loans. Wake up.
You see, more anger. I feel sorry for the person who sits next to you at the game.
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 01:20:40 PM
I'd like to see two central defenders come in, one of which needs to be a new main man at the back. Going forward I'm not wholly convinced any of our centre-halves are good enough for top 4. Konsa has flattered to deceive for a year now to be brutally honest, albeit he's not been helped by a constant rotation of partners.
I can only see Mings being progressively more prone to injury too (and there have always been question marks over his consistency). Pau is Rolls Royce but I feel like he'd be better in a back 3 and we are unlikely to play that consistently.
I believe two loans at any one time is the max (though don't quote me on that), so a Lenglet-type deal isn't possible if we complete Rash and Asensio.
To be fair, with exception of Arsenal I think must of our rivals are suffering with poor centre backs.
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 01:22:59 PM
Now Danso has gone and Disasi looks unlikely got the feeling of being a panic 24 hours. If window closes with us a centre half down questions will need to be asked of Monchi & co
It won’t be though will it? His back up is already in place with Foyth
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 02, 2025, 01:39:21 PM
The superfluous and repeated use of "important" there is shocking foreign journalist or not. Send him to the stocks.
It just means "big" in Romance languages*.
*You probably knew that and now I look a dick for not getting the joke
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 01:50:25 PM
As reported two days ago, Spurs want two centre backs (Danso first) after Dragusin’s serious injury.
Aston Villa agreed terms with Disasi but not with Chelsea so far.
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 01:51:45 PM
@Plettigoal
Post by: Goldenballs on February 02, 2025, 01:58:07 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 01:59:04 PM
I'll be annoyed if we let Bailey go.Huh?
Post by: SaddVillan on February 02, 2025, 02:07:17 PM
Plenty of chatter a week or so ago that we'd signed him, and he was going to be loaned back until the summer, but that seems to have died a death?
Regarding Chelsea - they've pissed us about on the Felix and Disasi moves. Was this done deliberately to distract us from alternatives, or are they just clowns?
Post by: Goldenballs on February 02, 2025, 02:08:38 PM
I'll be annoyed if we let Bailey go.Huh?
Let me rephrase that. Can I… No, actually I'll just repeat the post. I'll be annoyed if we let Bailey go.
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 02:09:51 PM
Okay, I'll ask why will you be annoyed?I'll be annoyed if we let Bailey go.Huh?
Let me rephrase that. Can I… No, actually I'll just repeat the post. I'll be annoyed if we let Bailey go.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on February 02, 2025, 02:10:26 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 02:10:55 PM
If we get 40 - 50m for Bailey we've done wellIf we get £15M we're robbing them.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2025, 02:12:45 PM
🚨🧨 Manchester United held talks regarding Leon Bailey again this morning.
@Plettigoal
I’m staggered by this.
Post by: Richard E on February 02, 2025, 02:14:28 PM
🚨🧨 Manchester United held talks regarding Leon Bailey again this morning.
@Plettigoal
I’m staggered by this.
I know.
Working on a Sunday morning.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 02:16:27 PM
We need a CB from somewhere and now will end up probably with a panic buy like a Bednarek.
Post by: SaddVillan on February 02, 2025, 02:20:21 PM
Wolves (thought they) had a deal in place for him and even had a medical lined up for this morning.
He'll get a warm reception when Spuds visit the Custard Bowl on 12 April
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 02:21:41 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14351713/Marcus-Rashford-signing-Aston-Villa-TOM-COLLOMOSSE.html
Post by: Goldenballs on February 02, 2025, 02:22:39 PM
Okay, I'll ask why will you be annoyed?I'll be annoyed if we let Bailey go.Huh?
Let me rephrase that. Can I… No, actually I'll just repeat the post. I'll be annoyed if we let Bailey go.
I think he's a really good player having a tough time. Last season he looked unplayable at times. Too soon to bin him off in my opinion.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2025, 02:24:22 PM
Seems reasonable from Tom Collomosse
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14351713/Marcus-Rashford-signing-Aston-Villa-TOM-COLLOMOSSE.html
‘Kin hell, I couldn’t even find the article. what a shite website.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2025, 02:26:40 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 02:27:21 PM
Fair enough, I'm at the other end of the spectrum and think he's passenger offering nothing and would like him to move on.Okay, I'll ask why will you be annoyed?I'll be annoyed if we let Bailey go.Huh?
Let me rephrase that. Can I… No, actually I'll just repeat the post. I'll be annoyed if we let Bailey go.
I think he's a really good player having a tough time. Last season he looked unplayable at times. Too soon to bin him off in my opinion.
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 02:28:22 PM
Put 12ft.io/ in front of http and you can read most paywall sites.Seems reasonable from Tom Collomosse
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14351713/Marcus-Rashford-signing-Aston-Villa-TOM-COLLOMOSSE.html
‘Kin hell, I couldn’t even find the article. what a shite website.
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 02:30:30 PM
Seems reasonable from Tom Collomosse
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14351713/Marcus-Rashford-signing-Aston-Villa-TOM-COLLOMOSSE.html
‘Kin hell, I couldn’t even find the article. what a shite website.
Here
If you follow the line pushed by Aston Villa’s recruitment team, the club’s transfer policy is a thorough process that leaves little to chance.
An evolving list of about 500 players, which is reduced carefully to shortlists of eight or 10 for every position. That narrative bears little relation to Villa’s activity in January.
As Marcus Rashford and Marco Asensio prepare to join on loan on Sunday for combined salaries at the thick end of £500,000 a week, it feels a little like Villa are making it up as they go along.
Transfer chief Monchi has a grand reputation and a title – president of football operations – to match. He is one of the highest-paid in his field in the Premier League but Unai Emery runs the show at Villa Park and there is scepticism within the game about how much influence Monchi actually wields.
Has he presented the profiles of Rashford and Asensio to Emery after weeks of exhaustive research? Or does Emery say simply ‘Get me these guys’ and off Monchi goes to do his bidding? Work that one out for yourselves.
There is a chance Rashford and Asensio score and create the goals that help Villa qualify for the Champions League. They are experienced internationals and, at their best, very effective players.
The list of forwards Emery has worked with successfully is impressive: Kylian Mbappe, Edinson Cavani, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Gerard Moreno, Ollie Watkins. You question Emery’s coaching skill at your peril.
Unfortunately, it is two years since Rashford played well consistently and the 27-year-old arrives with more baggage than your average flight from London to Sydney. Villa need Rashford to hit the ground running but he has not played since December 12.
Asensio, despite enormous potential as a teenager, has never been a key man for a major club. That is why he started barely 100 league games in seven seasons for Real Madrid and has made little impact at Paris Saint-Germain. For context, Jude Bellingham has already started 45 times and is only halfway through his second season.
Where do they all fit in? When he has competition for his spot, Watkins goes into his shell – as he did when Jhon Duran, now sold to Al-Nassr, was snapping at his heels. Watkins, Rashford, Asensio, Morgan Rogers, Donyell Malen. At least two of them will not play regularly.
A well-organised recruitment division would not need Asensio on a short-term loan because they would have secured a younger, better version long ago.
If Villa approach the market so carefully, why did they not try to secure a player like Desire Doue when he was breaking through at Rennes? The 19-year-old is now at PSG and is one of the reasons Asensio, who turns 30 next January, is available.
After Sunday’s 2-0 defeat at Wolves, Emery admitted that in an age of tighter spending regulations, it was difficult for Villa to keep up with revenue-generating monsters like Liverpool, Arsenal and the Manchester clubs.
To have any chance of achieving that regularly, Emery needs a solid recruitment strategy to match his coaching brilliance. Yet Villa move at random, jumping this way and that and swooping on opportunities as they arise.
That leads to unforced errors, like allowing defender Diego Carlos and attacking midfielder Emi Buendia to leave before their replacements were through the door.
With only one fit centre-back and an attack deprived of creativity, Carlos and Buendia would have been handy at Molineux. Wolves have been one of the poorest teams in the league this season yet there are reasons to be cheerful for Vitor Pereira now.
The noise around Matheus Cunha has died down as the Brazilian has signed a new deal with a £62.5million release clause, keeping him at Wolves at least until the summer.
Pereira’s squad is the best in the bottom four and now have a chance to make it safely to May and rebuild. For both these clubs, though, the stakes are extremely high.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 02, 2025, 02:39:33 PM
If we get 40 - 50m for Bailey we've done well
never are we getting that .. more of a loan wouldnt it?
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 02:40:57 PM
If we get 40 - 50m for Bailey we've done well
never are we getting that .. more of a loan wouldnt it?
Especially as they have must spent 30+m
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 02, 2025, 02:57:54 PM
Seems reasonable from Tom Collomosse
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14351713/Marcus-Rashford-signing-Aston-Villa-TOM-COLLOMOSSE.html
‘Kin hell, I couldn’t even find the article. what a shite website.
Here
If you follow the line pushed by Aston Villa’s recruitment team, the club’s transfer policy is a thorough process that leaves little to chance.
An evolving list of about 500 players, which is reduced carefully to shortlists of eight or 10 for every position. That narrative bears little relation to Villa’s activity in January.
As Marcus Rashford and Marco Asensio prepare to join on loan on Sunday for combined salaries at the thick end of £500,000 a week, it feels a little like Villa are making it up as they go along.
Transfer chief Monchi has a grand reputation and a title – president of football operations – to match. He is one of the highest-paid in his field in the Premier League but Unai Emery runs the show at Villa Park and there is scepticism within the game about how much influence Monchi actually wields.
Has he presented the profiles of Rashford and Asensio to Emery after weeks of exhaustive research? Or does Emery say simply ‘Get me these guys’ and off Monchi goes to do his bidding? Work that one out for yourselves.
There is a chance Rashford and Asensio score and create the goals that help Villa qualify for the Champions League. They are experienced internationals and, at their best, very effective players.
The list of forwards Emery has worked with successfully is impressive: Kylian Mbappe, Edinson Cavani, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Gerard Moreno, Ollie Watkins. You question Emery’s coaching skill at your peril.
Unfortunately, it is two years since Rashford played well consistently and the 27-year-old arrives with more baggage than your average flight from London to Sydney. Villa need Rashford to hit the ground running but he has not played since December 12.
Asensio, despite enormous potential as a teenager, has never been a key man for a major club. That is why he started barely 100 league games in seven seasons for Real Madrid and has made little impact at Paris Saint-Germain. For context, Jude Bellingham has already started 45 times and is only halfway through his second season.
Where do they all fit in? When he has competition for his spot, Watkins goes into his shell – as he did when Jhon Duran, now sold to Al-Nassr, was snapping at his heels. Watkins, Rashford, Asensio, Morgan Rogers, Donyell Malen. At least two of them will not play regularly.
A well-organised recruitment division would not need Asensio on a short-term loan because they would have secured a younger, better version long ago.
If Villa approach the market so carefully, why did they not try to secure a player like Desire Doue when he was breaking through at Rennes? The 19-year-old is now at PSG and is one of the reasons Asensio, who turns 30 next January, is available.
After Sunday’s 2-0 defeat at Wolves, Emery admitted that in an age of tighter spending regulations, it was difficult for Villa to keep up with revenue-generating monsters like Liverpool, Arsenal and the Manchester clubs.
To have any chance of achieving that regularly, Emery needs a solid recruitment strategy to match his coaching brilliance. Yet Villa move at random, jumping this way and that and swooping on opportunities as they arise.
That leads to unforced errors, like allowing defender Diego Carlos and attacking midfielder Emi Buendia to leave before their replacements were through the door.
With only one fit centre-back and an attack deprived of creativity, Carlos and Buendia would have been handy at Molineux. Wolves have been one of the poorest teams in the league this season yet there are reasons to be cheerful for Vitor Pereira now.
The noise around Matheus Cunha has died down as the Brazilian has signed a new deal with a £62.5million release clause, keeping him at Wolves at least until the summer.
Pereira’s squad is the best in the bottom four and now have a chance to make it safely to May and rebuild. For both these clubs, though, the stakes are extremely high.
What a dreadful article. While I agree Rashford is a move that’s likely come about late in the window after Duran was sold (I don’t think at the beginning of the month we expected to sell him), we’ve been linked regularly with Asensio and similar players (eg Felix) so clearly it’s not on a whim but we now have the financial muscle to action it.
The article also seems to negate everything good that we have done and even suggests we should be signing up and coming players before they hit peak - sound like Duran or Rogers by any chance?
Whether you agree or disagree with the Rashford and Asensio moves, this article just paints a bitter picture and I’d go as far to say one with an agenda.
Post by: Gareth on February 02, 2025, 03:00:00 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 03:04:24 PM
@philipphinze24
Post by: villadelph on February 02, 2025, 03:06:41 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 03:08:50 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 03:10:45 PM
🚨🧨 RB Leipzig have an option to buy Kosta Nedeljkovic at the end of his loan — €10.5m + €4.5m in add-ons.
@philipphinze24
With option to buy?? What a pointless signing if we selling at that price should Leizpig take the option up. Unai dont rate him
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 03:12:40 PM
🚨🧨 RB Leipzig have an option to buy Kosta Nedeljkovic at the end of his loan — €10.5m + €4.5m in add-ons.
@philipphinze24
With option to buy?? What a pointless signing if we selling at that price should Leizpig take the option up. Unai dont rate him
Yes Unai not keen so move on
Post by: Beard82 on February 02, 2025, 03:13:43 PM
I agree - its fitting a narrative to situation that doesnt exist. Desire Doue - they mention cost 50m - money we dont have. Basically - file under the same as the rest of the paper. Completely ignoring reality, and if it doubt just try and make people indigient. Its a hateful paper read by hateful people.Seems reasonable from Tom Collomosse
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14351713/Marcus-Rashford-signing-Aston-Villa-TOM-COLLOMOSSE.html
‘Kin hell, I couldn’t even find the article. what a shite website.
Here
If you follow the line pushed by Aston Villa’s recruitment team, the club’s transfer policy is a thorough process that leaves little to chance.
An evolving list of about 500 players, which is reduced carefully to shortlists of eight or 10 for every position. That narrative bears little relation to Villa’s activity in January.
As Marcus Rashford and Marco Asensio prepare to join on loan on Sunday for combined salaries at the thick end of £500,000 a week, it feels a little like Villa are making it up as they go along.
Transfer chief Monchi has a grand reputation and a title – president of football operations – to match. He is one of the highest-paid in his field in the Premier League but Unai Emery runs the show at Villa Park and there is scepticism within the game about how much influence Monchi actually wields.
Has he presented the profiles of Rashford and Asensio to Emery after weeks of exhaustive research? Or does Emery say simply ‘Get me these guys’ and off Monchi goes to do his bidding? Work that one out for yourselves.
There is a chance Rashford and Asensio score and create the goals that help Villa qualify for the Champions League. They are experienced internationals and, at their best, very effective players.
The list of forwards Emery has worked with successfully is impressive: Kylian Mbappe, Edinson Cavani, Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Gerard Moreno, Ollie Watkins. You question Emery’s coaching skill at your peril.
Unfortunately, it is two years since Rashford played well consistently and the 27-year-old arrives with more baggage than your average flight from London to Sydney. Villa need Rashford to hit the ground running but he has not played since December 12.
Asensio, despite enormous potential as a teenager, has never been a key man for a major club. That is why he started barely 100 league games in seven seasons for Real Madrid and has made little impact at Paris Saint-Germain. For context, Jude Bellingham has already started 45 times and is only halfway through his second season.
Where do they all fit in? When he has competition for his spot, Watkins goes into his shell – as he did when Jhon Duran, now sold to Al-Nassr, was snapping at his heels. Watkins, Rashford, Asensio, Morgan Rogers, Donyell Malen. At least two of them will not play regularly.
A well-organised recruitment division would not need Asensio on a short-term loan because they would have secured a younger, better version long ago.
If Villa approach the market so carefully, why did they not try to secure a player like Desire Doue when he was breaking through at Rennes? The 19-year-old is now at PSG and is one of the reasons Asensio, who turns 30 next January, is available.
After Sunday’s 2-0 defeat at Wolves, Emery admitted that in an age of tighter spending regulations, it was difficult for Villa to keep up with revenue-generating monsters like Liverpool, Arsenal and the Manchester clubs.
To have any chance of achieving that regularly, Emery needs a solid recruitment strategy to match his coaching brilliance. Yet Villa move at random, jumping this way and that and swooping on opportunities as they arise.
That leads to unforced errors, like allowing defender Diego Carlos and attacking midfielder Emi Buendia to leave before their replacements were through the door.
With only one fit centre-back and an attack deprived of creativity, Carlos and Buendia would have been handy at Molineux. Wolves have been one of the poorest teams in the league this season yet there are reasons to be cheerful for Vitor Pereira now.
The noise around Matheus Cunha has died down as the Brazilian has signed a new deal with a £62.5million release clause, keeping him at Wolves at least until the summer.
Pereira’s squad is the best in the bottom four and now have a chance to make it safely to May and rebuild. For both these clubs, though, the stakes are extremely high.
What a dreadful article. While I agree Rashford is a move that’s likely come about late in the window after Duran was sold (I don’t think at the beginning of the month we expected to sell him), we’ve been linked regularly with Asensio and similar players (eg Felix) so clearly it’s not on a whim but we now have the financial muscle to action it.
The article also seems to negate everything good that we have done and even suggests we should be signing up and coming players before they hit peak - sound like Duran or Rogers by any chance?
Whether you agree or disagree with the Rashford and Asensio moves, this article just paints a bitter picture and I’d go as far to say one with an agenda.
Post by: Gareth on February 02, 2025, 03:14:39 PM
🚨🧨 RB Leipzig have an option to buy Kosta Nedeljkovic at the end of his loan — €10.5m + €4.5m in add-ons.
@philipphinze24
With option to buy?? What a pointless signing if we selling at that price should Leizpig take the option up. Unai dont rate him
The price we paid it was a punt…you’d probs say the same with Rogers that’s worked ok :-)
Get your money back and move on
Post by: Dick Edwards on February 02, 2025, 03:24:37 PM
And some. Didn’t he cost us £8m? If we end up collecting the add-ons that’s a near 100% profit in a year🚨🧨 RB Leipzig have an option to buy Kosta Nedeljkovic at the end of his loan — €10.5m + €4.5m in add-ons.
@philipphinze24
With option to buy?? What a pointless signing if we selling at that price should Leizpig take the option up. Unai dont rate him
The price we paid it was a punt…you’d probs say the same with Rogers that’s worked ok :-)
Get your money back and move on
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2025, 03:26:28 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 03:33:36 PM
🚨🧨 RB Leipzig have an option to buy Kosta Nedeljkovic at the end of his loan — €10.5m + €4.5m in add-ons.
@philipphinze24
With option to buy?? What a pointless signing if we selling at that price should Leizpig take the option up. Unai dont rate him
The price we paid it was a punt…you’d probs say the same with Rogers that’s worked ok :-)
Get your money back and move on
Im surprised though. I think kosta looks like he has massive potential. Hasnt really been given a chance in my opinion
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 03:35:28 PM
🚨🧨 RB Leipzig have an option to buy Kosta Nedeljkovic at the end of his loan — €10.5m + €4.5m in add-ons.
@philipphinze24
With option to buy?? What a pointless signing if we selling at that price should Leizpig take the option up. Unai dont rate him
The price we paid it was a punt…you’d probs say the same with Rogers that’s worked ok :-)
Get your money back and move on
Im surprised though. I think kosta looks like he has massive potential. Hasnt really been given a chance in my opinion
I would agree but it could be attitude one something that he’s not doing for Unai
Post by: boozey182 on February 02, 2025, 03:35:49 PM
Just feels unnecessarily negative. The press all season has been talking about how we'll struggle to juggle Champions League with the domestic competitions, and as soon as we start to build a squad to address that, they say "what are they doing? They've got too many players!".
I hope that all of the expectation that things will go wrong for us will help us develop a bit of spiky, robust attitude. We got bullied in the match last night, not for the first time. Rashford is used to putting up with this nonsense, I hope it rubs off on some of the others and we're not pushed around so easily. FTF.
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 03:37:53 PM
This bit: "Watkins, Rashford, Asensio, Morgan Rogers, Donyell Malen. At least two of them will not play regularly" in particular is nonsense, isn't it? I would think that all of those will feature in every match that they're available for. Especially for a team that, as everyone keeps pointing out, has really struggled to manage fitness/focus this season when juggling the Champions League.
Just feels unnecessarily negative. The press all season has been talking about how we'll struggle to juggle Champions League with the domestic competitions, and as soon as we start to build a squad to address that, they say "what are they doing? They've got too many players!".
I hope that all of the expectation that things will go wrong for us will help us develop a bit of spiky, robust attitude. We got bullied in the match last night, not for the first time. Rashford is used to putting up with this nonsense, I hope it rubs off on some of the others and we're not pushed around so easily. FTF.
You’re on a roll today Boozey, are you Prince William?
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2025, 03:41:58 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 03:48:31 PM
It is an interesting point about Asensio though. From his Wiki page, it looks like he's made around 200 senior club appearances. For a 29 year old, that seems a bit under-cooked. Motivation, fitness, discipline all come under question.Nah, Madrid had better players ahead of him. No shame in that.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 03:53:56 PM
It is an interesting point about Asensio though. From his Wiki page, it looks like he's made around 200 senior club appearances. For a 29 year old, that seems a bit under-cooked. Motivation, fitness, discipline all come under question.High risk signing , at least it's nothing permanent . Same applies to Rashford .
Post by: Beard82 on February 02, 2025, 03:59:00 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2025, 04:00:12 PM
Was about to say that was an awful article with an agenda…tho it is from that rag so to be expectedNot awful at all and almost near the knuckle. You can’t have a long term strategy and then throw it away when some clubs want to offload their burden. I doubt if we were planning to sign Rashford and Asensio this time last month.
Post by: Gareth on February 02, 2025, 04:00:36 PM
It is an interesting point about Asensio though. From his Wiki page, it looks like he's made around 200 senior club appearances. For a 29 year old, that seems a bit under-cooked. Motivation, fitness, discipline all come under question.High risk signing , at least it's nothing permanent . Same applies to Rashford .
No more of a risk than playing Buendia or Philogene for rest of the season.
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2025, 04:01:16 PM
I dont think it is high risk - it might not work - but any signing isThe risk it it disrupts the squad cohesion, and once that happens it’s broken glass.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 04:04:49 PM
I dont think it is high risk - it might not work - but any signing isHigh risk in the sense neither have been playing regularly for ages , are both on huge salaries and there are questions around how motivated they will be . Hopefully it works out but it's definitely a high risk move .
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2025, 04:07:31 PM
I dont think it is high risk - it might not work - but any signing isThe risk it it disrupts the squad cohesion, and once that happens it’s broken glass.
Would it be a shock the other way if Rashford joins us and suddenly is rejuvenated now that he’s gone from that bullshit? Could have the opposite result and galvanize the squad.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 04:12:35 PM
Yes we shouldnt panic buy but bloody hell we are not gojng to qualify for CL this season without one as we leak so many goals
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 04:17:49 PM
Post by: jon collett on February 02, 2025, 04:23:21 PM
🚨⚪️ Tottenham have agreed loan deal with Chelsea for Axel Disasi, no buy option clause and loan fee included.
Axel Disasi, not accepting Spurs bid… as he already agreed terms with Aston Villa.
⚠️ Chelsea have NO intention to negotiate with Villa as UCL spot competitors
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2025, 04:24:37 PM
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 04:25:20 PM
Romano now saying:
🚨⚪️ Tottenham have agreed loan deal with Chelsea for Axel Disasi, no buy option clause and loan fee included.
Axel Disasi, not accepting Spurs bid… as he already agreed terms with Aston Villa.
⚠️ Chelsea have NO intention to negotiate with Villa as UCL spot competitors
Crikey
Post by: enigma on February 02, 2025, 04:25:39 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 04:27:08 PM
Post by: Gareth on February 02, 2025, 04:31:17 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on February 02, 2025, 04:34:43 PM
Romano now saying:
🚨⚪️ Tottenham have agreed loan deal with Chelsea for Axel Disasi, no buy option clause and loan fee included.
Axel Disasi, not accepting Spurs bid… as he already agreed terms with Aston Villa.
⚠️ Chelsea have NO intention to negotiate with Villa as UCL spot competitors
Crikey
So if they won't let him join Villa because they see us as Champs League contenders, but he won't join Spuds then:
1. Chelsea’s hierarchy don't rate Spuds
2. They're going to have a very, very unhappy bunny on their books, 18 months into a 6 yr contract @£80k pw (£4.16m pa).
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2025, 04:36:21 PM
FFS…do they know that we removed that obstacle yesterday?
⚠️ Chelsea have NO intention to negotiate with Villa as UCL spot competitors
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2025, 04:37:09 PM
Haha!
To which bit?
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2025, 04:39:37 PM
Eh….no. Our squad doesn’t need galvanising as it’s not broken.Would it be a shock the other way if Rashford joins us and suddenly is rejuvenated now that he’s gone from that bullshit? Could have the opposite result and galvanize the squad.I dont think it is high risk - it might not work - but any signing isThe risk is it disrupts the squad cohesion, and once that happens it’s broken glass.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 04:39:43 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 02, 2025, 04:41:28 PM
FFS…do they know that we removed that obstacle yesterday?
⚠️ Chelsea have NO intention to negotiate with Villa as UCL spot competitors
And had no problem Maatsen joining
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 04:44:00 PM
He jas 2 goals and 4 assists this year. I was also impressed with him last season when we played ajax
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 04:46:27 PM
Romano now saying:
🚨⚪️ Tottenham have agreed loan deal with Chelsea for Axel Disasi, no buy option clause and loan fee included.
Axel Disasi, not accepting Spurs bid… as he already agreed terms with Aston Villa.
⚠️ Chelsea have NO intention to negotiate with Villa as UCL spot competitors
They’ll budge if the player pushes it.
Post by: caster troy on February 02, 2025, 04:53:43 PM
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 02, 2025, 04:56:44 PM
Is Mings back for the FA Cup tie, do we know?
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 04:58:52 PM
He can't play in 2 of the next 3 games anyway.50/50
Is Mings back for the FA Cup tie, do we know?
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 04:59:22 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 02, 2025, 05:07:47 PM
Was about to say that was an awful article with an agenda…tho it is from that rag so to be expectedNot awful at all and almost near the knuckle. You can’t have a long term strategy and then throw it away when some clubs want to offload their burden. I doubt if we were planning to sign Rashford and Asensio this time last month.
Agreed, it's tough to read as it's mostly accurate. We have gone from unearthing hidden gems like Rogers to vanity signings like Asensio and Rashford. It's like we learned nothing from Coutinho. Our business with Juve, Everton and Chelsea this summer doesn't seem to have worked in our favour
Pick a team with everyone fit, squad balance is a mess.
Martinez
Cash, Konsa/new RCB, Torres/Mings, Digne
Kamara, Onana/Barkley
3 from Tielemans, McGinn, Ramsey, Bailey, Malen, Asensio, Rogers, Rashford
Watkins
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 02, 2025, 05:11:35 PM
Doubt Mings will be risked in the FA Cup
So another year when we don't win the FA Cup.
Post by: DrGonzo on February 02, 2025, 05:15:13 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 05:15:36 PM
Instant cult status for Disasi if he turns down Spurs and forces a move to us.
100% id love him just for that. Chelsea are fucking stupid though. He wint be difference on getting CL or not. Felix i could understand but disasi? Silly club
Post by: Richard E on February 02, 2025, 05:17:03 PM
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 05:23:02 PM
Was about to say that was an awful article with an agenda…tho it is from that rag so to be expectedNot awful at all and almost near the knuckle. You can’t have a long term strategy and then throw it away when some clubs want to offload their burden. I doubt if we were planning to sign Rashford and Asensio this time last month.
Agreed, it's tough to read as it's mostly accurate. We have gone from unearthing hidden gems like Rogers to vanity signings like Asensio and Rashford. It's like we learned nothing from Coutinho. Our business with Juve, Everton and Chelsea this summer doesn't seem to have worked in our favour
Pick a team with everyone fit, squad balance is a mess.
Martinez
Cash, Konsa/new RCB, Torres/Mings, Digne
Kamara, Onana/Barkley
3 from Tielemans, McGinn, Ramsey, Bailey, Malen, Asensio, Rogers, Rashford
Watkins
Looks alright to me
Post by: DrGonzo on February 02, 2025, 05:25:17 PM
Post by: Randy Gurner on February 02, 2025, 05:27:40 PM
Was about to say that was an awful article with an agenda…tho it is from that rag so to be expectedNot awful at all and almost near the knuckle. You can’t have a long term strategy and then throw it away when some clubs want to offload their burden. I doubt if we were planning to sign Rashford and Asensio this time last month.
Agreed, it's tough to read as it's mostly accurate. We have gone from unearthing hidden gems like Rogers to vanity signings like Asensio and Rashford. It's like we learned nothing from Coutinho. Our business with Juve, Everton and Chelsea this summer doesn't seem to have worked in our favour
Pick a team with everyone fit, squad balance is a mess.
Martinez
Cash, Konsa/new RCB, Torres/Mings, Digne
Kamara, Onana/Barkley
3 from Tielemans, McGinn, Ramsey, Bailey, Malen, Asensio, Rogers, Rashford
Watkins
Looks alright to me
Looks very alright considering the past 5 years
Post by: Gareth on February 02, 2025, 05:30:56 PM
Was about to say that was an awful article with an agenda…tho it is from that rag so to be expectedNot awful at all and almost near the knuckle. You can’t have a long term strategy and then throw it away when some clubs want to offload their burden. I doubt if we were planning to sign Rashford and Asensio this time last month.
Agreed, it's tough to read as it's mostly accurate. We have gone from unearthing hidden gems like Rogers to vanity signings like Asensio and Rashford. It's like we learned nothing from Coutinho. Our business with Juve, Everton and Chelsea this summer doesn't seem to have worked in our favour
Pick a team with everyone fit, squad balance is a mess.
Martinez
Cash, Konsa/new RCB, Torres/Mings, Digne
Kamara, Onana/Barkley
3 from Tielemans, McGinn, Ramsey, Bailey, Malen, Asensio, Rogers, Rashford
Watkins
Looks alright to me
Looks very alright considering the past 5 years
Exactly…a centre half short absolutely but plenty of attacking options is exactly what is needed
Post by: LeonW on February 02, 2025, 05:50:20 PM
Was about to say that was an awful article with an agenda…tho it is from that rag so to be expectedNot awful at all and almost near the knuckle. You can’t have a long term strategy and then throw it away when some clubs want to offload their burden. I doubt if we were planning to sign Rashford and Asensio this time last month.
Agreed, it's tough to read as it's mostly accurate. We have gone from unearthing hidden gems like Rogers to vanity signings like Asensio and Rashford. It's like we learned nothing from Coutinho. Our business with Juve, Everton and Chelsea this summer doesn't seem to have worked in our favour
Yes, unfortunately. We didn’t have to let the 3 players go that we have and we’ve budgeted for them for the season. You could even argue that we could have got more for Duran. Buendia, we invested the time to finally start to get him close to match fitness and then we send him out, not even with an obligation to buy. We’ve even got more headroom with the champions league money for the remaining 6 months of the season to then reassess in the summer. But instead we’ve left ourselves short in the last few games and expecting Emery to work miracles. A well run club does not do what we’ve been doing this January.
Post by: garyellis on February 02, 2025, 06:00:48 PM
I don’t know how you get to that conclusion as if Emery has had something forced on him. He’s been trying to sell Diego for the last two windows and he recently said Buendia would benefit from more game time he wouldn’t get with us. With Duran we tried to settle him down with a new contract but as we all know it didn’t have the desired effect and we received an exceptional offer. Let’s see where we end up come close of play tomorrow, we are obviously like a lot of clubs trying to do more business and freshen things up.Was about to say that was an awful article with an agenda…tho it is from that rag so to be expectedNot awful at all and almost near the knuckle. You can’t have a long term strategy and then throw it away when some clubs want to offload their burden. I doubt if we were planning to sign Rashford and Asensio this time last month.
Agreed, it's tough to read as it's mostly accurate. We have gone from unearthing hidden gems like Rogers to vanity signings like Asensio and Rashford. It's like we learned nothing from Coutinho. Our business with Juve, Everton and Chelsea this summer doesn't seem to have worked in our favour
Yes, unfortunately. We didn’t have to let the 3 players go that we have and we’ve budgeted for them for the season. You could even argue that we could have got more for Duran. Buendia, we invested the time to finally start to get him close to match fitness and then we send him out, not even with an obligation to buy. We’ve even got more headroom with the champions league money for the remaining 6 months of the season to then reassess in the summer. But instead we’ve left ourselves short in the last few games and expecting Emery to work miracles. A well run club does not do what we’ve been doing this January.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 02, 2025, 06:16:28 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2025, 06:24:27 PM
Emery recently stated it was Diego that wanted to leave. Unai has always and rightly said he doesn't players who don't want to be here.
But surely, as a player with a very generous contract, he should have left when it suited us, not him?
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 06:24:28 PM
We simply have to purchase a CB before the window closes.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 06:24:45 PM
Post by: 85kota on February 02, 2025, 06:30:35 PM
The possibility of not signing a centre-back at all has not been ruled out this window. Villa insist a recruit will only be signed if they can improve the team. #AVFC
Post by: Villafirst on February 02, 2025, 06:32:16 PM
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2025, 06:32:36 PM
@J_Tanswell
The possibility of not signing a centre-back at all has not been ruled out this window. Villa insist a recruit will only be signed if they can improve the team. #AVFC
Signing Ciaran Clark back would be an improvement over an empty space where a centre-back should be found.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 02, 2025, 06:33:05 PM
Emery recently stated it was Diego that wanted to leave. Unai has always and rightly said he doesn't players who don't want to be here.
But surely, as a player with a very generous contract, he should have left when it suited us, not him?
A bird in the hand? Maybe there wasn't that much interest or maybe they didn't expect to get turned down by Badé.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 06:33:46 PM
@J_Tanswell
The possibility of not signing a centre-back at all has not been ruled out this window. Villa insist a recruit will only be signed if they can improve the team. #AVFC
That would be one of the worst possible decisions they could make. 3 senior centre-halves, 2 of which are injured is no where near enough.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 06:36:51 PM
The defence is all at sea , wolves could have scored 5 or 6 yesterday and there can't have been any complaints about it .
Post by: Astnor on February 02, 2025, 06:37:26 PM
@J_TanswellIf they dont have decided if they are able to sign a CB that can improve the team by now we wont sign a CB this window. Very disappointing from the recruitment section of the club if so.
The possibility of not signing a centre-back at all has not been ruled out this window. Villa insist a recruit will only be signed if they can improve the team. #AVFC
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 06:38:34 PM
@J_Tanswell
The possibility of not signing a centre-back at all has not been ruled out this window. Villa insist a recruit will only be signed if they can improve the team. #AVFC
Signing Ciaran Clark back would be an improvement over an empty space where a centre-back should be found.
Exactly that - this is about having minimal levels of acceptable cover. We are beneath that and it’s doubly compounded by our reserve option being our elite DM which weakens us in two positions. It is essential we get a centre back in.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 02, 2025, 06:39:39 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2025, 06:39:46 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on February 02, 2025, 06:56:40 PM
https://football-italia.net/danso-failed-juventus-medical-before-tottenham/
Post by: AV84 on February 02, 2025, 06:58:39 PM
Post by: LeonW on February 02, 2025, 07:00:18 PM
I don’t know how you get to that conclusion as if Emery has had something forced on him. He’s been trying to sell Diego for the last two windows and he recently said Buendia would benefit from more game time he wouldn’t get with us. With Duran we tried to settle him down with a new contract but as we all know it didn’t have the desired effect and we received an exceptional offer. Let’s see where we end up come close of play tomorrow, we are obviously like a lot of clubs trying to do more business and freshen things up.Was about to say that was an awful article with an agenda…tho it is from that rag so to be expectedNot awful at all and almost near the knuckle. You can’t have a long term strategy and then throw it away when some clubs want to offload their burden. I doubt if we were planning to sign Rashford and Asensio this time last month.
Agreed, it's tough to read as it's mostly accurate. We have gone from unearthing hidden gems like Rogers to vanity signings like Asensio and Rashford. It's like we learned nothing from Coutinho. Our business with Juve, Everton and Chelsea this summer doesn't seem to have worked in our favour
Yes, unfortunately. We didn’t have to let the 3 players go that we have and we’ve budgeted for them for the season. You could even argue that we could have got more for Duran. Buendia, we invested the time to finally start to get him close to match fitness and then we send him out, not even with an obligation to buy. We’ve even got more headroom with the champions league money for the remaining 6 months of the season to then reassess in the summer. But instead we’ve left ourselves short in the last few games and expecting Emery to work miracles. A well run club does not do what we’ve been doing this January.
All 3 players were under contract. In Duran’s case, he’d just signed a 10 year contract. We would probably have got more him in the summer with a few more goals. The answer should be no for departures until we have replacements agreed. It also weakens our negotiating hand when clubs know we have cash in the bank from sales.
Players may play up but once the transfer window is closed, they will settle down until the next one because they have to if they want to get decent moves. It’s ridiculous that we’ve had Digne and Kamara playing centre back for our last 3 games. An improved right back still not signed, despite it being an ongoing issue.
Mings (bless him) got injured, which, considering his history, age and the fact he’s been out for such a long time, is hardly a shock. Ramsey has had injury issues for the last two years. Buendia is useful off the bench as option and has proven to be successful under Emery before. We get him close to match fitness and then loan him (with no obligation to buy, thus reducing his value if he doesn’t play and no guarantee he will play for the current German champions) to bring in one player who hasn’t played for what, 12 games, has a history of unprofessional behaviour and another who has played 28 mins in the last 15 games; both of whom are reclamation jobs and need bringing up to speed (probably at least a month), yet we’re paying astronomical wages to not only sort out problems for other clubs, but also potentially fixing them for sale in the summer if we don’t buy them (which on those wages both are on, is highly unlikely in our current financial state of 96% of turnover being spent on salaries).
It’s not as if we’re out of major competitions and don’t have a chance to qualify for the champions league next season and yet we’re making the job harder for one of the best managers in Europe to be effective. That’s how I got that my conclusion.
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 02, 2025, 07:07:34 PM
Emery recently stated it was Diego that wanted to leave. Unai has always and rightly said he doesn't players who don't want to be here.Have heard that it got a bit personal between the two of them
Post by: AV84 on February 02, 2025, 07:09:01 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 07:11:01 PM
Kamara showed very clearly yesterday he can't play CB despite people saying he could. He was atrocious.
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2025, 07:14:39 PM
It would be disappointing if we don’t get one in. Clearly Bade was first choice and having agreed terms with second choice Diasi, that’s seemingly not going to work out either due to Chelsea. Is it usual to have three good choices that meet all the criteria Emery would have identified?Yet some would have you believe the club haven’t identified and tried to sign defenders and that they are beyond reckless.
Some would have you believe the management haven’t even given a moments thought to improving the defence.
Unfortunately, despite best laid plans, some things don’t work out.
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2025, 07:15:19 PM
Leaving it this late in the window is poor planning and Chelsea have played a blinder on us . This should have been brought to a head weeks ago . Now we are either going to have do a panic CB signing or go without.You keep saying the same shit, doesn’t make it so.
Kamara showed very clearly yesterday he can't play CB despite people saying he could. He was atrocious.
You are so apoplectic, you need to make sure you don’t have a coronary.
Post by: garyellis on February 02, 2025, 07:16:35 PM
Although there are many other points you raise which are too simplistic the main one I was making is all these deals have been sanctioned by our manager. For whatever reasons Emery does not see how the three departures do not benefit us in the long run. I agree the defence needs reinforcements but we have tried to move Diego on for the last two windows. He had no future here for whatever reason with this manager. Like I said let’s see what happens by close of play tomorrow.I don’t know how you get to that conclusion as if Emery has had something forced on him. He’s been trying to sell Diego for the last two windows and he recently said Buendia would benefit from more game time he wouldn’t get with us. With Duran we tried to settle him down with a new contract but as we all know it didn’t have the desired effect and we received an exceptional offer. Let’s see where we end up come close of play tomorrow, we are obviously like a lot of clubs trying to do more business and freshen things up.Was about to say that was an awful article with an agenda…tho it is from that rag so to be expectedNot awful at all and almost near the knuckle. You can’t have a long term strategy and then throw it away when some clubs want to offload their burden. I doubt if we were planning to sign Rashford and Asensio this time last month.
Agreed, it's tough to read as it's mostly accurate. We have gone from unearthing hidden gems like Rogers to vanity signings like Asensio and Rashford. It's like we learned nothing from Coutinho. Our business with Juve, Everton and Chelsea this summer doesn't seem to have worked in our favour
Yes, unfortunately. We didn’t have to let the 3 players go that we have and we’ve budgeted for them for the season. You could even argue that we could have got more for Duran. Buendia, we invested the time to finally start to get him close to match fitness and then we send him out, not even with an obligation to buy. We’ve even got more headroom with the champions league money for the remaining 6 months of the season to then reassess in the summer. But instead we’ve left ourselves short in the last few games and expecting Emery to work miracles. A well run club does not do what we’ve been doing this January.
All 3 players were under contract. In Duran’s case, he’d just signed a 10 year contract. We would probably have got more him in the summer with a few more goals. The answer should be no for departures until we have replacements agreed. It also weakens our negotiating hand when clubs know we have cash in the bank from sales.
Players may play up but once the transfer window is closed, they will settle down until the next one because they have to if they want to get decent moves. It’s ridiculous that we’ve had Digne and Kamara playing centre back for our last 3 games. An improved right back still not signed, despite it being an ongoing issue.
Mings (bless him) got injured, which, considering his history, age and the fact he’s been out for such a long time, is hardly a shock. Ramsey has had injury issues for the last two years. Buendia is useful off the bench as option and has proven to be successful under Emery before. We get him close to match fitness and then loan him (with no obligation to buy, thus reducing his value if he doesn’t play and no guarantee he will play for the current German champions) to bring in one player who hasn’t played for what, 12 games, has a history of unprofessional behaviour and another who has played 28 mins in the last 15 games; both of whom are reclamation jobs and need bringing up to speed (probably at least a month), yet we’re paying astronomical wages to not only sort out problems for other clubs, but also potentially fixing them for sale in the summer if we don’t buy them (which on those wages both are on, is highly unlikely in our current financial state of 96% of turnover being spent on salaries).
It’s not as if we’re out of major competitions and don’t have a chance to qualify for the champions league next season and yet we’re making the job harder for one of the best managers in Europe to be effective. That’s how I got that my conclusion.
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 07:19:25 PM
Quote
In Duran’s case, he’d just signed a 10 year contract.
He signed until 2030, not 2035.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 07:21:22 PM
You're in denial. Have a look at the calendar.Leaving it this late in the window is poor planning and Chelsea have played a blinder on us . This should have been brought to a head weeks ago . Now we are either going to have do a panic CB signing or go without.You keep saying the same shit, doesn’t make it so.
Kamara showed very clearly yesterday he can't play CB despite people saying he could. He was atrocious.
You are so apoplectic, you need to make sure you don’t have a coronary.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 07:21:32 PM
It would be disappointing if we don’t get one in. Clearly Bade was first choice and having agreed terms with second choice Diasi, that’s seemingly not going to work out either due to Chelsea. Is it usual to have three good choices that meet all the criteria Emery would have identified?
It wouldn’t just be disappointing it’d be a disaster.
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 02, 2025, 07:44:24 PM
Leaving it this late in the window is poor planning and Chelsea have played a blinder on us . This should have been brought to a head weeks ago . Now we are either going to have do a panic CB signing or go without.You keep saying the same shit, doesn’t make it so.
Kamara showed very clearly yesterday he can't play CB despite people saying he could. He was atrocious.
You are so apoplectic, you need to make sure you don’t have a coronary.
I wonder if that absolutely dimwit Cooper’s Injury has decent heart health?
God, he was stupid.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2025, 07:51:35 PM
Leaving it this late in the window is poor planning and Chelsea have played a blinder on us . This should have been brought to a head weeks ago . Now we are either going to have do a panic CB signing or go without.You keep saying the same shit, doesn’t make it so.
Kamara showed very clearly yesterday he can't play CB despite people saying he could. He was atrocious.
You are so apoplectic, you need to make sure you don’t have a coronary.
No offence, Andy, but apoplectic is a bit rich coming from you, the king of match thread anger.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 08:00:20 PM
Post by: john2710 on February 02, 2025, 08:05:35 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2025, 08:10:15 PM
If we don’t sign a centre-half I reckon we’ll finish 10th or below.
Strangely I think we'd get knocked out of Europe and the Cup in the next round and have a decent end to the season with less fixtures and finish 8th.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 08:16:02 PM
I said a few days ago that Chelsea would end up messing us around. They are not going to do us any favours unless it's in their interests.They've stitched us up like a kipper . All so avoidable.
Post by: Gareth on February 02, 2025, 08:38:41 PM
Suspect something surprising will happen tomorrow be it a left field sale or a signing that is not on public radar
Post by: Goldenballs on February 02, 2025, 08:55:46 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2025, 09:05:56 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 02, 2025, 09:10:00 PM
Carney Chukwuemeka keeps failing upwards. Now at Dortmund on loan with a buy option higher than £40m
We must get some of that if he goes?
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 02, 2025, 09:16:28 PM
What's Hause up to these days?
Still recovering from injury.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 02, 2025, 09:18:12 PM
Carney Chukwuemeka keeps failing upwards. Now at Dortmund on loan with a buy option higher than £40m
He was born in Austria so probably speaks a bit of the lingo.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2025, 09:19:34 PM
Carney Chukwuemeka keeps failing upwards. Now at Dortmund on loan with a buy option higher than £40m
That's got to be a wind-up (the £40m part). Chelsea fleece every fucker with their cast-offs. They'll probably get £60m from the Barcodes for Dewsbury-Hall tomorra, just you wait 'enry 'iggins!
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 02, 2025, 09:21:12 PM
What's Hause up to these days?
Still recovering from injury.
We were looking to cancel his contract last month, but not sure if there has been any progress. Obviously he's more than entitled to take all the money we agreed to pay last time he signed a contract. I don't think he'll ever play again.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2025, 09:26:21 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on February 02, 2025, 09:29:00 PM
Carney Chukwuemeka keeps failing upwards. Now at Dortmund on loan with a buy option higher than £40m
So he's worth twice what we got for him?
He's made 32 appearances in two and a half seasons and I don't recall any Player of the Match performances.
Perhaps the higher price reflects the increase in his ego?
Billy grosse stiefel, as they say in Deutschland.
Post by: danno on February 02, 2025, 09:31:52 PM
He's got his career as a musician to focus on.
He’s going to need some outlet, having injury problems since October 2022 is rough. I know he’s a wealthy young man but I still feel bad for him.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 10:06:20 PM
What's Hause up to these days?Last seen at Cheltenham festival in a white 3 piece suite
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2025, 10:09:50 PM
What's Hause up to these days?Last seen at Cheltenham festival in a white 3 piece suite
Like Danny DeVito climbing naked out the sofa in It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.
Post by: Legion on February 02, 2025, 10:10:17 PM
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2025, 10:11:15 PM
Just someone who describes himself as that on his CV.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 10:13:37 PM
Post by: Richard E on February 02, 2025, 10:24:16 PM
I'd even take a non-decent one at this stage.
Just someone who describes himself as that on his CV.
For the substantial pay rise involved, I’m more than happy to update my CV to describe myself as such. Where do I sign the contract?
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2025, 10:32:27 PM
Asencio.
And a lesser spotted centre half ?
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 02, 2025, 10:43:29 PM
What's Hause up to these days?Last seen at Cheltenham festival in a white 3 piece suite
Like Danny DeVito climbing naked out the sofa in It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.
We just got Disney+ and I've started watching this. Not sure how I managed to miss it, it's excellent.
Post by: Legion on February 02, 2025, 10:44:14 PM
I'd even take a non-decent one at this stage.
Just someone who describes himself as that on his CV.
For the substantial pay rise involved, I’m more than happy to update my CV to describe myself as such. Where do I sign the contract?
At the bottom.
Post by: VillaTim on February 02, 2025, 10:46:22 PM
A decent CB would be nice.It's essential.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 02, 2025, 10:46:43 PM
What's Hause up to these days?Last seen at Cheltenham festival in a white 3 piece suite
Like Danny DeVito climbing naked out the sofa in It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.
We just got Disney+ and I've started watching this. Not sure how I managed to miss it, it's excellent.
Just in case any non-French posters were thinking of rushing out to get Disney+ on the back of this post, it's on Netflix over here.
Post by: FatSam on February 02, 2025, 10:48:02 PM
Exactly- someone vaguely competent at centre-half so we don’t have to put our best midfielder there.Jan Bednarek is keen apparently.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 02, 2025, 10:50:35 PM
Exactly- someone vaguely competent at centre-half so we don’t have to put our best midfielder there.Jan Bednarek is keen apparently.
I literally walked into the man a few weeks back.
Ideally not him, clearly, but for the odd game I reckon we’d be better overall with him playing and Bouba back in midfield. At least we’re only weak in one position then.
Now I’d hope we could get substantially better - but we have to get someone in.
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2025, 10:52:41 PM
I understand we are all a bit nervous about Marcus and Marco, but if they come off our team surely has to be better with two genuine world class players added to it?
But are they better than Buendia and Philogene?
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2025, 10:54:08 PM
Agree , poor planning , the defence is a mess it really is.Great news on the financials but we can’t play a stack of cash at centre half, can we?
Indeed we desperately need a centre-half. The reckless decision to risk a week or so with 2 fit centre halves has cost us points against very ordinary opposition.
Yeah, surely we knew in November that Torres, Mings and Cash would get injured again.
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2025, 10:56:05 PM
I’m going glass half full. Asensio and Rashford to click straight away and we finish 4th and win the CL.
I would love nothing more to be wrong and that to happen
I'm not surprised you love nothing more than being wrong.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 02, 2025, 10:57:07 PM
I’m going glass half full. Asensio and Rashford to click straight away and we finish 4th and win the CL.
I would love nothing more to be wrong and that to happen
I'm not surprised you love nothing more than being wrong.
He puts in a lot of practice, to be fair.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2025, 10:58:08 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 02, 2025, 11:00:08 PM
A decent CB would be nice.
Sergio Ramos is still a free agent.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 02, 2025, 11:04:49 PM
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2025, 11:18:09 PM
Please sign a centre half tomorrow Villa. Please.
Post by: AV84 on February 02, 2025, 11:19:26 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 11:29:11 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 02, 2025, 11:30:20 PM
Spurs have enquired about Bailey.
He has been so underwhelming this season , just can’t see it
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 11:30:54 PM
Lange at Spurs brought him here so you never know.Spurs have enquired about Bailey.
He has been so underwhelming this season , just can’t see it
Post by: AGRIPPA on February 02, 2025, 11:31:04 PM
I'd even take a non-decent one at this stage.
Just someone who describes himself as that on his CV.
Could I be considered please?
Just turned 60, right footed and once described myself as a cultured libero on the Mark & Lard breakfast show….
You’ll need to give me a couple of days to buy some boots though.
Post by: Monty on February 02, 2025, 11:31:09 PM
We're still being linked with Felix. Even if it was possible and he wanted us, surely we don't need another forward now?
Nah, fuck it. 7 up front. You score 6, we score hopefully 6, maybe 5.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 02, 2025, 11:39:48 PM
I'd even take a non-decent one at this stage.
Just someone who describes himself as that on his CV.
Could I be considered please?
Just turned 60, right footed and once described myself as a cultured libero on the Mark & Lard breakfast show….
You’ll need to give me a couple of days to buy some boots though.
He said non-decent, not indecent.
Post by: Tuscans on February 02, 2025, 11:42:23 PM
@FabrizioRomano
Post by: AV84 on February 02, 2025, 11:44:57 PM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 02, 2025, 11:46:39 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 02, 2025, 11:48:13 PM
Spurs are looking kind of desperate now. I have no problem keeping Bailey, but his performances this season hardly scream "transfer target".
Son's getting on, they're looking to boost the number of tourist fans from Jamaica.
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2025, 11:52:49 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 03, 2025, 12:02:01 AM
Can we swap him for their new centre back?
I'd swap him for van de Ven.
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 12:20:00 AM
Out - 7
Buendia, Duran, Philogene, Carlos, Gauci, Nedeljkovic and..... Bailey
In 6
Asensio, Rashford, Malen, Garcia, CB, and .... Felix....
Because 7 would go from Champions League squad, we could add 5. If we bring in 6 one misses out on Champions League which presumably would have to be Garcia.
I've ignored or misunderstood the home grown (club trained) rule which reduces that again?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 12:41:06 AM
anyone signed
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 03, 2025, 01:15:32 AM
Ok, so Dave will probably correct me....
Out - 7
Buendia, Duran, Philogene, Carlos, Gauci, Nedeljkovic and..... Bailey
In 6
Asensio, Rashford, Malen, Garcia, CB, and .... Felix....
Because 7 would go from Champions League squad, we could add 5. If we bring in 6 one misses out on Champions League which presumably would have to be Garcia.
I've ignored or misunderstood the home grown (club trained) rule which reduces that again?
I believe you can only replace three.
So I'd guess Malen, and two out of Rashford/Asensio/Garcia/new CB.
Our defensive options are going to be paper-thin; and we are basically done if we get a couple of defensive injuries before a CL game.
Post by: Matt C on February 03, 2025, 01:39:26 AM
If we remove seven (say, Bailey, hypothetically) we could add five.
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2025, 03:33:18 AM
If Chelsea agree deal for João’s loan exit with several clubs keen, Anselmino’s loan move to Olympique Marseille could collapse.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2025, 05:47:59 AM
Ok, so Dave will probably correct me....
Out - 7
Buendia, Duran, Philogene, Carlos, Gauci, Nedeljkovic and..... Bailey
In 6
Asensio, Rashford, Malen, Garcia, CB, and .... Felix....
Because 7 would go from Champions League squad, we could add 5. If we bring in 6 one misses out on Champions League which presumably would have to be Garcia.
I've ignored or misunderstood the home grown (club trained) rule which reduces that again?
I saw a tweet last night with a screenshot of the rule that said this (the extra players allowed) only applies to clubs who’s league season begins and ends in the same year.
https://x.com/avfc_stef/status/1885830522170941455?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: frank black on February 03, 2025, 06:51:06 AM
It’ll be an interesting day.
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2025, 07:26:32 AM
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 07:29:35 AM
My worry is there is almost zero links to a centre half now.
What happened to the Turkish lad? Was that ever announced? Can't we use him, other clubs are playing 18 years olds at the back in a pinch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 07:54:28 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 03, 2025, 08:02:22 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2025, 08:03:27 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2025, 08:06:36 AM
Post by: Dave P on February 03, 2025, 08:09:43 AM
Post by: Dave P on February 03, 2025, 08:10:16 AM
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 08:16:59 AM
We recalled Mosquera back from Real Union and he is currently away Columbia U20. I don’t think the intention is to send him back out so he would be an option at CB. Been doing well for club and country by all accounts.
Didn't we bring him back as he wasn't getting much time on the pitch in Spain?
Post by: Demitri_C on February 03, 2025, 08:33:32 AM
The summer is where we will spend big
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 08:54:33 AM
Ok, so Dave will probably correct me....
Out - 7
Buendia, Duran, Philogene, Carlos, Gauci, Nedeljkovic and..... Bailey
In 6
Asensio, Rashford, Malen, Garcia, CB, and .... Felix....
Because 7 would go from Champions League squad, we could add 5. If we bring in 6 one misses out on Champions League which presumably would have to be Garcia.
I've ignored or misunderstood the home grown (club trained) rule which reduces that again?
I saw a tweet last night with a screenshot of the rule that said this (the extra players allowed) only applies to clubs who’s league season begins and ends in the same year.
https://x.com/avfc_stef/status/1885830522170941455?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Yup, I think you / they are right.
So we only had 23 in the original A squad, as things stand we've moved on six of those 23 and can only add three more. So a squad of 20, and even if we sign a centre-back we're going to be either a centre-back or a right-back down on our original squad.
That seems...suboptimal.
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 09:26:16 AM
Can’t we recall Josh Feeney from Shrewsbury?
If we don't get one in surely we do that and play him until Mings is back.
Post by: Clive W on February 03, 2025, 09:31:16 AM
“Villa are still in dialogue with Chelsea over a potential deal for Axel Disasi but are understood to be relaxed on defensive additions.
They are happy to wait until the summer if their top targets are not available at this stage.”
Hmmm…
Comments?
Post by: Holte L2 on February 03, 2025, 09:32:24 AM
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2025, 09:32:57 AM
Post by: ROBBO on February 03, 2025, 09:33:56 AM
Post by: Richard on February 03, 2025, 09:34:20 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 09:34:37 AM
From Percy in today’s DT
“Villa are still in dialogue with Chelsea over a potential deal for Axel Disasi but are understood to be relaxed on defensive additions.
They are happy to wait until the summer if their top targets are not available at this stage.”
Hmmm…
Comments?
If that is true, letting Carlos Diego go appears, er, brave.
Post by: Astnor on February 03, 2025, 09:36:40 AM
From Percy in today’s DTIf so we are not going for panic buys which is something to like.
“Villa are still in dialogue with Chelsea over a potential deal for Axel Disasi but are understood to be relaxed on defensive additions.
They are happy to wait until the summer if their top targets are not available at this stage.”
Hmmm…
Comments?
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 09:39:16 AM
Sign a centre-half, you twats!
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 09:40:11 AM
Reckon Mings will be OK for Spurs game which must be a factor.
very risky just having Mings playing every game until PAu is up and running .
Post by: Clive W on February 03, 2025, 09:40:53 AM
If that is true, letting Carlos Diego go appears, er, brave.
I think Bernard used to say that to Jim Hacker
“That’s a very brave decision Prime Minister”
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 09:42:40 AM
Reckon Mings will be OK for Spurs game which must be a factor.
But that doesn't replace Diego Carlos' position in the squad.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 03, 2025, 09:47:01 AM
Post by: Smithy on February 03, 2025, 09:47:15 AM
I feel very nervous about our defensive options though, as I really don't want to see Kamara back at centre-half again.
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 09:50:01 AM
If we're "relaxed" about our defensive options, it must mean Mings is ready to return this week and Pau is possibly ahead of schedule (they said 2 months, which would be the end of Feb, so maybe he'll be back by mid-feb? Which might mean he'll be back for Chelsea and only miss two more games?)
Given that Konsa is looking a bit leggy as things stand and appears to be in need of a break, expecting him to play every minute for the rest of the season seems unnecessarily brave, whatever the prognosis is on Pau and Mings.
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 03, 2025, 09:50:04 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 09:51:19 AM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 03, 2025, 09:55:32 AM
I am certain they will be trying hard to get a centre back in.
I do wonder now we have Rashford in if we would entertain a large bid for Watkins off Arsenal with a defender coming the other way. Whilst I don't think it will happen, it wouldn't surprise me if it did.
If Baily goes I think Felix will come in, but not otherwise.
Could we make an offer for Guehi at Palace? Out of contract in the summer so has to be possible.
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 09:56:43 AM
Post by: Clive W on February 03, 2025, 09:56:58 AM
Straws - clutching at
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2025, 09:58:03 AM
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2025, 09:59:31 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 09:59:56 AM
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 10:04:57 AM
I don’t see how we can possibly be relaxed about it- it was idiotic to risk two fit centre-halves a week ago, to try and go the rest of the season with 3 (2 of which are currently injured) is utterly negligent.
Especially when Torres is a metatarsal which aren't always simple fixes, Mings is fragile after a cruciate, Konsa is our only right sided centre back, and Cash is also injured at right back. Not getting a centre half just seems negligent.
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 10:05:27 AM
I don't think we should read too much into what the club is saying about relaxed. They can't exactly sound the panic alarm, it would just put prices up and lead to us accepting a bad deal.
This is also true.
Post by: Smithy on February 03, 2025, 10:08:30 AM
Spurs are not signing Disasi according to the Guardian about 20 minutes ago, so maybe that's the green light for us.
The "speculation" I'd seen was that Disasi wanted to join us, but Chelsea are reluctant to help out a Champions League rival so would prefer he went to Spurs (but he rejected them).
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 03, 2025, 10:09:32 AM
We cannot conceivably go with 3 CB's over that period with 2 of them out injured as it stands with a pretty reasonable expectation of additional injuries and possible suspensions (could happen) to come.
This cannot be allowed to happen surely?
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 10:09:35 AM
Spurs are not signing Disasi according to the Guardian about 20 minutes ago, so maybe that's the green light for us.
The "speculation" I'd seen was that Disasi wanted to join us, but Chelsea are reluctant to help out a Champions League rival so would prefer he went to Spurs (but he rejected them).
Maybe we knew this and it's why we're 'calm'.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 03, 2025, 10:13:43 AM
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2025, 10:20:01 AM
I’d take Maguire at this point. I don’t even know if that’s a joke yet. Ask me at 11pm.
You must be tired and delirious from being on nights?
Post by: placeforparks on February 03, 2025, 10:24:34 AM
Spurs are not signing Disasi according to the Guardian about 20 minutes ago, so maybe that's the green light for us.
spurs have have had a bid rejected for marc guehi.
apparently chelsea don't want to do business with us, as a champions league rival.
(imagine typing that 10 years ago!)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 03, 2025, 10:26:20 AM
Reckon Mings will be OK for Spurs game which must be a factor.
Huge gamble though. I personally wouldnt risk it as we are in three cup competitions at the moment and i dont think torres is back until april.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 03, 2025, 10:34:30 AM
Post by: lovejoy on February 03, 2025, 10:37:43 AM
Saying we are relaxed is messaging.
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2025, 10:38:55 AM
Not sure many of you have done any negotiations training but stating that we are desperate and looking for a panic buy, might undermine our negotiation platform.
Saying we are relaxed is messaging.
Our track record, however, suggests that we're also authentically deranged.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2025, 10:40:28 AM
Of course we’re relaxed, have you not seen how good we’ve been defensively this season?
Occasionally.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 10:40:28 AM
Given that the Turkish transfer window doesn't shut until a week tomorrow, there was no need whatsoever to leave ourselves in such a precarious position.
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 10:40:42 AM
Not sure many of you have done any negotiations training but stating that we are desperate and looking for a panic buy, might undermine our negotiation platform.
Saying we are relaxed is messaging.
I have, but saying we're relaxed is fine, if the negotiating team can't see behind the curtain. Sadly, football isn't like that. Any selling club knows full well we're not relaxed.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2025, 10:42:17 AM
I’d take Maguire at this point. I don’t even know if that’s a joke yet. Ask me at 11pm.
You must be tired and delirious from being on nights?
Must be. Just went a bit mad while watching MOTD2 this morning and remembering he plays left & right occasionally.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 10:44:24 AM
I don't think we should read too much into what the club is saying about relaxed. They can't exactly sound the panic alarm, it would just put prices up and lead to us accepting a bad deal.
I am certain they will be trying hard to get a centre back in.
I do wonder now we have Rashford in if we would entertain a large bid for Watkins off Arsenal with a defender coming the other way. Whilst I don't think it will happen, it wouldn't surprise me if it did.
If Baily goes I think Felix will come in, but not otherwise.
Could we make an offer for Guehi at Palace? Out of contract in the summer so has to be possible.
Guehi out of contract summer 2026 not this one. Sounds like Tottenham have already enquired and Palace aren't keen as they are already down to one fit defender.
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 10:44:40 AM
Disasi agreed terms with Villa last week but Chelsea still request higher fee due to direct UCL competition.
❗️ Chelsea accepted Spurs bid for Disasi, up to the player.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 10:47:28 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 10:47:30 AM
🚨🇫🇷 At this time of Deadline Day, Aston Villa have stopped talks for Disasi, considering different options.
Disasi agreed terms with Villa last week but Chelsea still request higher fee due to direct UCL competition.
❗️ Chelsea accepted Spurs bid for Disasi, up to the player.
He turned spuds down .
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 10:48:34 AM
On Thursday, Sky Deutschland journalist Florian Plettenberg stated Brighton & Hove Albion are in pole position to sign 1. FC Nürnberg’s Stefanos Tzimas despite Aston Villa holding concrete talks.
Last summer, he joined FC Nürnberg on loan with an option to buy from PAOK. The German club will now make his stay permanent and then sell him to Brighton.
Unai Emery’s side offered €30m to buy the Greece U21 international immediately in this window, according to the claims. This wasn’t favoured by Tzimas and Nürnberg as they want to continue together until the end of this season.
Brighton have ‘prevailed’ because they have decided to let the player finish this season in Germany.
TMW state they have ‘closed the deal’ by offering the same figures as Fiorentina [€22-23m] plus 15% of a future sale. It’s worth noting Sky earlier reported Brighton agreed to pay €25m.
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2025, 10:49:19 AM
I’ll be honest I think that position from Chelsea is fine - although not sure I see us as direct competition at the moment.
We might be if we had a defence!
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 10:49:32 AM
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 10:50:34 AM
🚨🇫🇷 At this time of Deadline Day, Aston Villa have stopped talks for Disasi, considering different options.
Disasi agreed terms with Villa last week but Chelsea still request higher fee due to direct UCL competition.
❗️ Chelsea accepted Spurs bid for Disasi, up to the player.
He turned spuds down .
This is going to be a who blinks first moment isnt it
Post by: Gareth on February 03, 2025, 10:51:22 AM
🚨🇫🇷 At this time of Deadline Day, Aston Villa have stopped talks for Disasi, considering different options.
Disasi agreed terms with Villa last week but Chelsea still request higher fee due to direct UCL competition.
❗️ Chelsea accepted Spurs bid for Disasi, up to the player.
As he can’t play 2 of the next 3 or any future FA Cup games I’d hope we were always looking at other options.
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 10:53:27 AM
I’d take Maguire at this point. I don’t even know if that’s a joke yet. Ask me at 11pm.
You must be tired and delirious from being on nights?
Must be. Just went a bit mad while watching MOTD2 this morning and remembering he plays left & right occasionally.
Although we wouldn't be able to loan him. So I think one of the very few situations I actually think *would* be worse than nobody is "Maguire on a permanent transfer".
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 10:54:18 AM
I’ll be honest I think that position from Chelsea is fine - although not sure I see us as direct competition at the moment.
It's fine if they told us weeks ago, in which case we should surely have moved on by now. If they've delayed telling us until the last minute to fuck us over, then they're shitebags. And we'd have to be incredibly gullible to fall for it and not have a plan B up our sleeve. We will see by 11pm, I suppose.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 10:56:00 AM
Well, yes. Even if we do bring in a central defender, it's arguably two weeks too late and our delaying has probably cost us points against West Ham and Wolves.
Given that the Turkish transfer window doesn't shut until a week tomorrow, there was no need whatsoever to leave ourselves in such a precarious position.
I concur.
Post by: Bully2345 on February 03, 2025, 11:00:47 AM
Well, yes. Even if we do bring in a central defender, it's arguably two weeks too late and our delaying has probably cost us points against West Ham and Wolves.
Given that the Turkish transfer window doesn't shut until a week tomorrow, there was no need whatsoever to leave ourselves in such a precarious position.
I concur.
The Turkish team (can't even remember where Carlos went) would have us over a barrel if they knew we'd signed Disasi and were desperate to get Carlos off the books so they had to push the button somewhere. It also sounds like Carlos had packed up and said his goodbyes so I'm not sure any games he would have played would have been particularly reliable in the meantime.
It will all sort itself out by the end of the day.
Post by: OCD on February 03, 2025, 11:04:53 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 11:05:19 AM
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 11:07:16 AM
We'll probably go back to Foyth.
I suspect he has always been the disaster recovery plan
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2025, 11:08:13 AM
I think it's pretty clear that we expected Bade to join and let Carlos go on that basis. Him getting cold feet and pulling out of the transfer was unexpected and then was immediately made worse by the Mings injury.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 03, 2025, 11:11:32 AM
We'll probably go back to Foyth.
I suspect he has always been the disaster recovery plan
Might explain why Nedjelkovic has been allowed out, leaving us with only one fit right back. Given Foyth plays both CB and RB.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 11:11:48 AM
We'll probably go back to Foyth.
Foyths War was good but what has he done since?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 11:13:18 AM
Well, yes. Even if we do bring in a central defender, it's arguably two weeks too late and our delaying has probably cost us points against West Ham and Wolves.
Given that the Turkish transfer window doesn't shut until a week tomorrow, there was no need whatsoever to leave ourselves in such a precarious position.
I concur.
The Turkish team (can't even remember where Carlos went) would have us over a barrel if they knew we'd signed Disasi and were desperate to get Carlos off the books so they had to push the button somewhere. It also sounds like Carlos had packed up and said his goodbyes so I'm not sure any games he would have played would have been particularly reliable in the meantime.
It will all sort itself out by the end of the day.
From memory, I cant mind anything he did to suggest he was anything but a model pro so the risk of him 'downing tools' was a remote one I'd guess? If he wanted to go, fine. He could, just as soon as we had a replacement or at the end of the month, or the end of the season. Whatever suited us.
Anyroad, it does my brain in when people labour the point so here we are.
And: Fenerbache BTW
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 11:18:52 AM
We'll probably go back to Foyth.
I suspect he has always been the disaster recovery plan
Might explain why Nedjelkovic has been allowed out, leaving us with only one fit right back. Given Foyth plays both CB and RB.
We have two right backs. Cash isn't out for long and we shouldn't be buying another one to cover a short spell out, it would be a complete waste of money.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 11:28:31 AM
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 03, 2025, 11:29:10 AM
We'll probably go back to Foyth.
I suspect he has always been the disaster recovery plan
Might explain why Nedjelkovic has been allowed out, leaving us with only one fit right back. Given Foyth plays both CB and RB.
We have two right backs. Cash isn't out for long and we shouldn't be buying another one to cover a short spell out, it would be a complete waste of money.
Not advocating the move, just trying to read the tea leaves.
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 11:29:23 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 03, 2025, 11:29:31 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 11:29:57 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 11:31:12 AM
Chelsea haven't shifted Felix or Disasi yet. If PSR is an issue then they might have to change their position soon just to get the costs off the books.
Depends on how many hotels or chicken shops they have to sell.
Post by: john2710 on February 03, 2025, 11:31:54 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 11:32:17 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 11:33:16 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 11:34:02 AM
Unreliable rumours that if they won’t loan him to us we are testing them with a £50m bid. Disasi that is. Can’t see it myself
I know they seem to get top fees for players that are surplus to their requirements but £50m, there’s got to be a whole raft of centre halves that we could get if we’re looking to spend that much. I just can’t see that.
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 03, 2025, 11:34:09 AM
The last time the defence was so neglected was under Bruce and he got pelters for it.
Probably explains why we’re also seeing the club get pelters for the position we’re in now too.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 11:35:26 AM
The last time the defence was so neglected was under Bruce and he got pelters for it.
Probably explains why we’re also seeing the club get pelters for the position we’re in now too.
What’s James Chester up to these days?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 11:36:15 AM
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2025, 11:39:11 AM
@relevo
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 11:40:19 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 03, 2025, 11:42:03 AM
Post by: Bosco81 on February 03, 2025, 11:43:58 AM
I'm sure we are trying, but if we can't make the most of the position we are in now, we never will.
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 11:47:55 AM
As it is, we must have an option somewhere for a centre half!
Post by: LeeS on February 03, 2025, 11:49:04 AM
Shame it won’t happen
Post by: john2710 on February 03, 2025, 11:49:38 AM
If they loan out Chilwell to Palace which is looking likely they cannot loan Disasi to us as they’ll be up to five. Apparently.
Teams can loan out a maximum of 6 players. This would mean only one of Felix or Disasi could be loaned. Felix is currently in Milan.
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2025, 11:51:11 AM
He has just signed for Sheff Utd on loan. Would it be too cheeky to put in a late bid?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 03, 2025, 11:51:44 AM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are monitoring Real Madrid Castilla’s Manuel Ángel — there are no offers planned in the short term, but they are very attentive.
@relevo
His nickname is 'Mami'. *dusts down Al Jolson LP*
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 11:54:38 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 03, 2025, 11:55:58 AM
We could do with a Conor Coady style defender til end of season.
He has just signed for Sheff Utd on loan. Would it be too cheeky to put in a late bid?
We're in the Champions League and competing for European positions and you want to gazzump a Sheff Utd signing?
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 11:56:45 AM
The last time the defence was so neglected was under Bruce and he got pelters for it.
Probably explains why we’re also seeing the club get pelters for the position we’re in now too.
We have two Right backs, three Centre Backs, and two left backs. We also have an Academy Graduate who can play there, and a defensive midfielder who can play there out of necessity.
It just so happens that we have one RB and two CBs injured at the moment so it looks worse than it is. We need one CB, that's all, and we're clearly trying to get one, that's better than the one we let leave (and that most people wanted us to get rid of).
Our defence isn't neglected, we have two players per position, we just have injuries that aren't long term. It feels worse than it is.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 11:56:51 AM
Post by: caster troy on February 03, 2025, 11:57:18 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 11:58:08 AM
🚨🧨 Aston Villa are monitoring Real Madrid Castilla’s Manuel Ángel — there are no offers planned in the short term, but they are very attentive.
@relevo
Another Spanish second tier player?!! Hardly screams immediate first team player.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 03, 2025, 11:58:48 AM
I'm guessing we can't spend too much till July as we need that big year of PSR loss to drop off the rolling three year cycle? Doubt we'll be dropping £60m on someone today.
I'd imagine so. I'm just amazed it's got to the last day and we've let ourselves get in this situation.
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 11:58:53 AM
The last time the defence was so neglected was under Bruce and he got pelters for it.
Probably explains why we’re also seeing the club get pelters for the position we’re in now too.
We have two Right backs, three Centre Backs, and two left backs. We also have an Academy Graduate who can play there, and a defensive midfielder who can play there out of necessity.
It just so happens that we have one RB and two CBs injured at the moment so it looks worse than it is. We need one CB, that's all, and we're clearly trying to get one, that's better than the one we let leave (and that most people wanted us to get rid of).
Our defence isn't neglected, we have two players per position, we just have injuries that aren't long term. It feels worse than it is.
Carlos shouldn't have been allowed to go until the replacement was sorted though surely.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 03, 2025, 11:59:20 AM
We have two Right backs, three Centre Backs, and two left backs. We also have an Academy Graduate who can play there, and a defensive midfielder who can play there out of necessity.
It just so happens that we have one RB and two CBs injured at the moment so it looks worse than it is. We need one CB, that's all, and we're clearly trying to get one, that's better than the one we let leave (and that most people wanted us to get rid of).
Our defence isn't neglected, we have two players per position, we just have injuries that aren't long term. It feels worse than it is.
Agree with this, it would be different if Tyrone and/or Pau were out with long-time injuries.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 11:59:47 AM
Carlos shouldn't have been allowed to go until the replacement was sorted though surely.
Was Bade not the replacement, and then he let us down last minute?
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 12:00:26 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 12:00:38 PM
The last time the defence was so neglected was under Bruce and he got pelters for it.
Probably explains why we’re also seeing the club get pelters for the position we’re in now too.
We have two Right backs, three Centre Backs, and two left backs. We also have an Academy Graduate who can play there, and a defensive midfielder who can play there out of necessity.
It just so happens that we have one RB and two CBs injured at the moment so it looks worse than it is. We need one CB, that's all, and we're clearly trying to get one, that's better than the one we let leave (and that most people wanted us to get rid of).
Our defence isn't neglected, we have two players per position, we just have injuries that aren't long term. It feels worse than it is.
Carlos shouldn't have been allowed to go until the replacement was sorted though surely.
I'm sure we'll get someone in. He wanted to go, we had a good offer, so let him. It's a couple of weeks.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 12:00:41 PM
If we are after a 'tide us over' defender
Post by: aj2k77 on February 03, 2025, 12:01:11 PM
Carlos shouldn't have been allowed to go until the replacement was sorted though surely.
Was Bade not the replacement, and then he let us down last minute?
Buy the replacement first if you are so bare bones like we are. He didn't let us down, we've let ourselves down.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 03, 2025, 12:01:33 PM
I'm guessing we can't spend too much till July as we need that big year of PSR loss to drop off the rolling three year cycle? Doubt we'll be dropping £60m on someone today.
I think most would be happy with a Lenglet type loan surely? Mings was out so we knew we needed to replace him and did a week later.
Seems Disasi is the one we still want but Chelsea want to sell him and we want a loan so see what the next few hours bring.
Still very possible if Spurs were interested and then stopped as they probably got feedback he'd rather come to us.
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 12:02:10 PM
Lloyd Kelly, doesn't seem to be playing much at Newcastle but good for Bournemouth.
If we are after a 'tide us over' defender
I don't think we are after that sort of player. We want players who will make a difference for our run in, not just for February.
Post by: placeforparks on February 03, 2025, 12:02:37 PM
Lloyd Kelly, doesn't seem to be playing much at Newcastle but good for Bournemouth.
If we are after a 'tide us over' defender
hasn't he gone to juventus?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2025, 12:02:37 PM
Lloyd Kelly, doesn't seem to be playing much at Newcastle but good for Bournemouth.
If we are after a 'tide us over' defender
I think he’s gone to Juve.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 12:03:20 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 12:06:43 PM
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 12:08:37 PM
Apparently Palace have turned down £70 million from Spurs for Guehi. We can probably safely rule ourselves out of that one, I think.
Good old
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 03, 2025, 12:09:53 PM
Honestly it’s that bad if you told me a rat was hanging on for dear life at the end of your foot I’d have believed it more.
Wait…you don’t believe the rat story?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 12:12:16 PM
Asensio deal seems to have gone a bit quiet
I'm not surprised to be honest, I didn't realise you could only have two players on loan, we now have Rashford as one. I guess that means we are waiting to see if we need to use the other loan on a CH before committing to Asencio?
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 12:13:08 PM
Asensio deal seems to have gone a bit quiet
I'm not surprised to be honest, I didn't realise you could only have two players on loan, we now have Rashford as one. I guess that means we are waiting to see if we need to use the other loan on a CH before committing to Asencio?
We can have up to four players on loan. Two from the Premier League.
Asensio is fine to come in.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 12:15:05 PM
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 12:15:06 PM
Lloyd Kelly, doesn't seem to be playing much at Newcastle but good for Bournemouth.
If we are after a 'tide us over' defender
I don't think we are after that sort of player. We want players who will make a difference for our run in, not just for February.
You have to still be in the race by March. Anyone could see in all 3 recent games, there is a gaping hole in the team. We're probably 3 points down so far, with an FA cup tie this weekend which is very winnable. Saying Mings might make that game is great, but we're only a knock from being back to 1 centre back until mid march at the earliest. Picky is fine when you have cover. When you don't a plaster is needed.
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 12:16:51 PM
I thought Id read it as four players in any season but only two at a time?
Maximum of four at any time, and no more than six across the season.
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 12:17:10 PM
Lloyd Kelly, doesn't seem to be playing much at Newcastle but good for Bournemouth.
If we are after a 'tide us over' defender
I don't think we are after that sort of player. We want players who will make a difference for our run in, not just for February.
You have to still be in the race by March. Anyone could see in all 3 recent games, there is a gaping hole in the team. We're probably 3 points down so far, with an FA cup tie this weekend which is very winnable. Saying Mings might make that game is great, but we're only a knock from being back to 1 centre back until mid march at the earliest. Picky is fine when you have cover. When you don't a plaster is needed.
And Bogarde and Kamara are plasters. And better than some of these suggested desperation buys.
We're up against PSR so spunking cash on a shit CB to cover a couple of weeks would be ridiculous.
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2025, 12:17:52 PM
I thought Id read it as four players in any season but only two at a time?
Maximum of four at any time, and no more than six across the season.
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 12:18:42 PM
I thought Id read it as four players in any season but only two at a time?
Maximum of four at any time, and no more than six across the season.
I'm having a nightmare, first Lloyd Kelly and now this.
I'm going to need a bottle of scotch and a revolver. Or to do some work.
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 12:20:41 PM
We're up against PSR so spunking cash on a shit CB to cover a couple of weeks would be ridiculous.
But it's not to cover a couple of weeks, it's to cover the next four months. Unless a knackered Ezri Konsa is expected to play every minute of every game for the next four months, having played nearly every game last season and spent the summer playing for England.
If PSR money is that tight, then adding another left-sided attacking midfielder (Asensio) definitely shouldn't be the priority.
I'm still pretty sure we'll see a centre-back today though.
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2025, 12:20:47 PM
No you're correct. If we had 2 players on loan now and wanted to bring in 2 more we would have to let go the original 2 players on loan to allow the next 2 join.I thought Id read it as four players in any season but only two at a time?
Maximum of four at any time, and no more than six across the season.
I'm having a nightmare, first Lloyd Kelly and now this.
I'm going to need a bottle of scotch and a revolver. Or to do some work.
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 12:20:52 PM
I thought Id read it as four players in any season but only two at a time?
Maximum of four at any time, and no more than six across the season.
I'm having a nightmare, first Lloyd Kelly and now this.
I'm going to need a bottle of scotch and a revolver. Or to do some work.
It's like Villa Cluedo..... I guess Peter Withe, in the office with a bottle of Scotch.
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 12:23:24 PM
I thought Id read it as four players in any season but only two at a time?
Maximum of four at any time, and no more than six across the season.
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
That's referring specifically to players loaned between two Premier League clubs.
Quote
Premier League clubs can register a maximum of four players on loan at any time during a season. However, there are restrictions on the number of loans from the same club or from other Premier League clubs.
Restrictions
No more than one player can be on loan from the same club
No more than two players can be on loan from other Premier League clubs
A club cannot loan out a player they acquired in the same transfer window to another Premier League club
A club can only loan one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club
There are clubs with more than two players on loan in the league right now.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 12:24:18 PM
Asensio deal seems to have gone a bit quiet
I heard he had shirt number 21 but might have dreamt that too.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 03, 2025, 12:25:32 PM
If does go I would imagine we would have someone else lined up already.
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2025, 12:26:12 PM
Ah okay. I'm wrong.I thought Id read it as four players in any season but only two at a time?
Maximum of four at any time, and no more than six across the season.
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
That's referring specifically to players loaned between two Premier League clubs.QuotePremier League clubs can register a maximum of four players on loan at any time during a season. However, there are restrictions on the number of loans from the same club or from other Premier League clubs.
Restrictions
No more than one player can be on loan from the same club
No more than two players can be on loan from other Premier League clubs
A club cannot loan out a player they acquired in the same transfer window to another Premier League club
A club can only loan one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club
There are clubs with more than two players on loan in the league right now.
Post by: London Villan on February 03, 2025, 12:26:31 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 03, 2025, 12:27:03 PM
Asensio deal seems to have gone a bit quiet
I heard he had shirt number 21 but might have dreamt that too.
I saw that too (on X).
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 12:27:05 PM
Links to Bailey leaving seem to keep popping up - it must be either us or his agent trying to move him on.
If does go I would imagine we would have someone else lined up already.
Yes, that appears to be one of our key strengths.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 12:28:20 PM
Ah okay. I'm wrong.I thought Id read it as four players in any season but only two at a time?
Maximum of four at any time, and no more than six across the season.
- Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
- The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.
That's referring specifically to players loaned between two Premier League clubs.QuotePremier League clubs can register a maximum of four players on loan at any time during a season. However, there are restrictions on the number of loans from the same club or from other Premier League clubs.
Restrictions
No more than one player can be on loan from the same club
No more than two players can be on loan from other Premier League clubs
A club cannot loan out a player they acquired in the same transfer window to another Premier League club
A club can only loan one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club
There are clubs with more than two players on loan in the league right now.
You can have the scotch and revolver when Im through.
Post by: Bosco81 on February 03, 2025, 12:32:25 PM
Lloyd Kelly, doesn't seem to be playing much at Newcastle but good for Bournemouth.
If we are after a 'tide us over' defender
I don't think we are after that sort of player. We want players who will make a difference for our run in, not just for February.
You have to still be in the race by March. Anyone could see in all 3 recent games, there is a gaping hole in the team. We're probably 3 points down so far, with an FA cup tie this weekend which is very winnable. Saying Mings might make that game is great, but we're only a knock from being back to 1 centre back until mid march at the earliest. Picky is fine when you have cover. When you don't a plaster is needed.
And Bogarde and Kamara are plasters. And better than some of these suggested desperation buys.
We're up against PSR so spunking cash on a shit CB to cover a couple of weeks would be ridiculous.
Exactly, we should have been able to cope for a couple of games with the calibre of player we have got, and whether we had a player with centre half on his passport or not, doesn't mean everything would have been rosy.
There was no reason why Digne couldn't have played better against West Ham, and Kamara should have coped against Wolves better than he did.
All full backs should be able to play centre half and vice versa, and a defensive midfielder should be able to step in at centre half.
Diego Carlos gave Wolves a goal head start in the home game, getting shot of him was the right idea, as we had a decent offer.
If we don't get a quality replacement, questions need to be asked, but lets hold the pitchforks off until at least midnight.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 12:35:10 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2025, 12:45:21 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 03, 2025, 12:48:35 PM
Asensio said to be all done, contracts signed.
Stretch that shirt !
Post by: olaftab on February 03, 2025, 12:52:34 PM
We need another centre-back to get us to the end of the season. There’s no way what we have is enough.Feeling a little dejected as there is no noise not even whispers about a CB coming today.
Post by: caster troy on February 03, 2025, 12:55:50 PM
We don’t need no centre backs
Tried Disasi, Chelsea said no
Villa leave Monchi alone
Hey, Villans, leave Monchi alone
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 01:01:31 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 03, 2025, 01:02:30 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2025, 01:02:44 PM
Asensio said to be all done, contracts signed.
We've even got him booked into hospital to have his ACL operation next week.
Post by: Steve67 on February 03, 2025, 01:07:04 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Class, very nicely done.
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 01:08:10 PM
Unless Ozcan is kept at Villa. Which would make perfect sense considering he's played 70 odd first team games at 18.
We've not actually signed him though, have we?
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 01:09:44 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Very good
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 03, 2025, 01:12:24 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Very good
I wonder what they paid for that clip ?? These introductions are getting more and more bizarre !!1
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 01:15:08 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Class, very nicely done.
Thought we had bought Marcus
Post by: danno on February 03, 2025, 01:18:10 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Very good
I wonder what they paid for that clip ?? These introductions are getting more and more bizarre !!1
https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1883210120064352452
Anthony's was a belter.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 01:32:09 PM
Unless Ozcan is kept at Villa. Which would make perfect sense considering he's played 70 odd first team games at 18.
We've not actually signed him though, have we?
Is this the guy that was pictured sitting next to Malen at one of our games just after he (Malen) had signed for us?
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2025, 01:40:36 PM
We could do with a Conor Coady style defender til end of season.
He has just signed for Sheff Utd on loan. Would it be too cheeky to put in a late bid?
We're in the Champions League and competing for European positions and you want to gazzump a Sheff Utd signing?
Yes, with the transfer window closing today a 31 year old, Premier League experienced player at center half would be better than nothing. A useful back up for when required.
Hopefully, we will get a better center half today but time against us.
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 01:45:44 PM
Unless Ozcan is kept at Villa. Which would make perfect sense considering he's played 70 odd first team games at 18.
We've not actually signed him though, have we?
Is this the guy that was pictured sitting next to Malen at one of our games just after he (Malen) had signed for us?
Yup, but he's been back playing in Turkey since then and there have been no announcements of his signing (that I've seen, anyway).
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 01:50:33 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Very good
I wonder what they paid for that clip ?? These introductions are getting more and more bizarre !!1
https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1883210120064352452
Anthony's was a belter.
It's probably just me, but these club-media-new-signing-clips are right up there with Fantasy Football League in things that people seem to enjoy that make me want to commit mild violence.
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2025, 01:52:04 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Very good
I wonder what they paid for that clip ?? These introductions are getting more and more bizarre !!1
https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1883210120064352452
Anthony's was a belter.
It's probably just me, but these club-media-new-signing-clips are right up there with Fantasy Football League in things that people seem to enjoy that make me want to commit mild violence.
Thank God I'm not the only one, I hate Fantasy Football more than is in any way reasonable.
Post by: Beard82 on February 03, 2025, 01:54:16 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 01:54:40 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 01:55:22 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Very good
I wonder what they paid for that clip ?? These introductions are getting more and more bizarre !!1
https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1883210120064352452
Anthony's was a belter.
It's probably just me, but these club-media-new-signing-clips are right up there with Fantasy Football League in things that people seem to enjoy that make me want to commit mild violence.
Thank God I'm not the only one, I hate Fantasy Football more than is in any way reasonable.
It can never be unreasonable, it's the golf of football.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 01:56:17 PM
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2025, 01:59:32 PM
I’m waiting for the here we go on Disasi.
I'd be very surprised. Chelsea and us are fighting for a Champions League spot next year. Why would they help us?
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 02:00:26 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Very good
I wonder what they paid for that clip ?? These introductions are getting more and more bizarre !!1
https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1883210120064352452
Anthony's was a belter.
It's probably just me, but these club-media-new-signing-clips are right up there with Fantasy Football League in things that people seem to enjoy that make me want to commit mild violence.
Thank God I'm not the only one, I hate Fantasy Football more than is in any way reasonable.
It can never be unreasonable, it's the golf of football.
When you say 'mild violence' do you mean shaking your fist or just muttering under your breath?
Post by: Smithy on February 03, 2025, 02:01:11 PM
I’m waiting for the here we go on Disasi.
I'd be very surprised. Chelsea and us are fighting for a Champions League spot next year. Why would they help us?
Yep. Seems little incentive for them to do the deal, unless we bung them a bigger loan fee maybe. I'm hoping we have other players lined up, because Chelsea might prefer to keep an unhappy player on the books for the second half of the season than risk making us a stronger competitor for the top 5.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 02:03:06 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 02:04:46 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Very good
I wonder what they paid for that clip ?? These introductions are getting more and more bizarre !!1
https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1883210120064352452
Anthony's was a belter.
It's probably just me, but these club-media-new-signing-clips are right up there with Fantasy Football League in things that people seem to enjoy that make me want to commit mild violence.
Thank God I'm not the only one, I hate Fantasy Football more than is in any way reasonable.
It can never be unreasonable, it's the golf of football.
When you say 'mild violence' do you mean shaking your fist or just muttering under your breath?
More shoving, headlocks, maybe a kick up the arse if required.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2025, 02:05:47 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 02:07:06 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348
Very good
I wonder what they paid for that clip ?? These introductions are getting more and more bizarre !!1
https://x.com/UtdDistrict/status/1883210120064352452
Anthony's was a belter.
It's probably just me, but these club-media-new-signing-clips are right up there with Fantasy Football League in things that people seem to enjoy that make me want to commit mild violence.
Thank God I'm not the only one, I hate Fantasy Football more than is in any way reasonable.
It can never be unreasonable, it's the golf of football.
When you say 'mild violence' do you mean shaking your fist or just muttering under your breath?
More shoving, headlocks, maybe a kick up the arse if required.
Rubbing your knuckle on the head sort of thing...
Post by: OCD on February 03, 2025, 02:07:45 PM
I’m waiting for the here we go on Disasi.
I'd be very surprised. Chelsea and us are fighting for a Champions League spot next year. Why would they help us?
I bet if the shoe was on the other foot, we would be letting the player go to them. There's probably a lesson there for us that sometimes we can be too nice.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 02:08:55 PM
Tel or El Tel as he’ll be no doubt known on his way to Spurs.
I thought that fell through, is it back on?
Post by: dr.chekov on February 03, 2025, 02:15:37 PM
Apparently so, according to SSN.Tel or El Tel as he’ll be no doubt known on his way to Spurs.
I thought that fell through, is it back on?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 02:16:17 PM
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on February 03, 2025, 02:22:34 PM
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2025, 02:29:04 PM
Don't know if we have any more loan slots but I'd be looking at tempting Christian Romero from Spurs. I don't think he's played since he slagged off Levy under the cover of injury. He's exactly what we need, hard as nails, master of the dark arts, decent on the ball too.
Nah, gets booked nearly every game and he's a cheating eejit.
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2025, 02:30:22 PM
Just saying.
Post by: Gareth on February 03, 2025, 02:35:42 PM
Don't know if we have any more loan slots but I'd be looking at tempting Christian Romero from Spurs. I don't think he's played since he slagged off Levy under the cover of injury. He's exactly what we need, hard as nails, master of the dark arts, decent on the ball too.
They said on Sky this morning that he was injured and no where near ready to return to training
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 02:36:58 PM
Don't know if we have any more loan slots but I'd be looking at tempting Christian Romero from Spurs. I don't think he's played since he slagged off Levy under the cover of injury. He's exactly what we need, hard as nails, master of the dark arts, decent on the ball too.
They said on Sky this morning that he was injured and no where near ready to return to training
I thought he was crocked too, Evening Standard have him as back training and nearing a return.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 03, 2025, 02:45:37 PM
On loan only. I fcuking hate spurs.Thats the kind of talent we should be going for. I would have rather have invested in him than rashford
Post by: London Villan on February 03, 2025, 02:48:53 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 03, 2025, 02:51:33 PM
It's mad that even with how poor Spurs have been this season, likely to sack the manager and have strikers, they can still get players like this.
Also plays in Son’s position (according to Transfermkt) so unlikely to improve the team very much.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 02:59:24 PM
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Merse is trying to sell Ollie on Sky. Stick to flogging your placebo weed sweets with Kerry Katona and Steve Mcdonald from Corrie...
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 03, 2025, 03:11:31 PM
Don't know if we have any more loan slots but I'd be looking at tempting Christian Romero from Spurs. I don't think he's played since he slagged off Levy under the cover of injury. He's exactly what we need, hard as nails, master of the dark arts, decent on the ball too.
They said on Sky this morning that he was injured and no where near ready to return to training
I thought he was crocked too, Evening Standard have him as back training and nearing a return.
He had a set back apparently so I think he got back to training but is now a bit away from a return. He's also distinctly average so, no, we don't want him (especially given I expect Spurs would demand a lot)
Post by: aev on February 03, 2025, 03:20:35 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 03, 2025, 03:21:36 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 03, 2025, 03:21:43 PM
I can't believe it looks like we won't get in another CB.If this is the case its a huge fuck up.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2025, 03:29:46 PM
Post by: Gareth on February 03, 2025, 03:30:22 PM
If Mings is fit for Ipswich and Torres not far behind then not so bad…but that is a huge IFI can't believe it looks like we won't get in another CB.If this is the case its a huge fuck up.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 03:30:46 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 03:31:34 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 03, 2025, 03:32:43 PM
Please can that be the last we ever hear of Felix the Twat, he's clearly far more interested in shopping than football, fuck him off.
Yes. A preemptive ban on him ever being 'linked' again is definitely in order.
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 03, 2025, 03:34:25 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2025, 03:34:37 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 03:35:04 PM
Please can that be the last we ever hear of Felix the Twat, he's clearly far more interested in shopping than football, fuck him off.
Rashford and Asensio are just place holders, we'll be back in for him in the summer.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 03:35:24 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 03:35:58 PM
Post by: enigma on February 03, 2025, 03:36:59 PM
I wished we had made a big for Lacroix @ Palace - big tough fucker who can play a bitDon't think there's any chance they'd sell him in january. They've turned down £70m for Guehi.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 03, 2025, 03:37:08 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 03, 2025, 03:37:35 PM
Agreed a complete charlatan with an inflated opinion of his worth.
And a vlog to prove it.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 03, 2025, 03:40:10 PM
Torres is metatarsal.If Mings is fit for Ipswich and Torres not far behind then not so bad…but that is a huge IFI can't believe it looks like we won't get in another CB.If this is the case its a huge fuck up.
Post by: Rigadon on February 03, 2025, 03:42:24 PM
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He’ll fit right in with that celebration.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 03:42:54 PM
Utter madness.
Post by: Gareth on February 03, 2025, 03:44:28 PM
Athletic say we are no longer after a defender.yikes
Utter madness.
Post by: caster troy on February 03, 2025, 03:44:59 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 03, 2025, 03:47:22 PM
Athletic say we are no longer after a defender.
Utter madness.
This cannot be true (can it?).
I guess 11PM will confirm one way or the other but if it is true then we will have seriously undermined our season.
Post by: villadelph on February 03, 2025, 03:47:31 PM
Athletic say we are no longer after a defender.
Utter madness.
Grossly irresponsible - my first real critique of this group.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2025, 03:47:36 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 03, 2025, 03:50:33 PM
Edit: I know Bade shafted us, still doesn't change anything.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 03:50:49 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 03:51:38 PM
Athletic say we are no longer after a defender.
Utter madness.
Do you not realise what this means?
There's absolutely no chance whatsoever we're playing three at the back. Rejoice.
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 03, 2025, 03:51:44 PM
The window needed us at the start to get a RB to cover Cash which we did. But then Cash got hurt. It only needed a CB cover if Diego left. But then he did and Mings got hurt for a couple of weeks which is seriously bad luck. I can sort of see why we don’t want to just get one in. We clearly had preferred targets and they fell through. With Mings back soon and Pau not long after, along with Bogarde we have cover but right now it’s a huge risk in terms of immediate need and timing. The forwards were improved considerably but it doesn’t help if we are having to score 3 a game to win. Shame if we can’t get a loan CB in so we will have to fight on under Mings is back and hope Pau is good soon after.
And if someone gets injured again? Highly likely bearing in mind that we are losing a player a game at the minute.
We are playing Russian Roulette with our season...
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 03:52:20 PM
That said I can also understand those who will think this is a huge mistake and it may well become a defining point of our season.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 03, 2025, 03:53:09 PM
I'll be utterly amazed if this doesn't completely fuck us up, any more than it already has in our recent games.
Post by: London Villan on February 03, 2025, 03:53:25 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 03:54:17 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 03:54:57 PM
The window needed us at the start to get a RB to cover Cash which we did. But then Cash got hurt. It only needed a CB cover if Diego left. But then he did and Mings got hurt for a couple of weeks which is seriously bad luck. I can sort of see why we don’t want to just get one in. We clearly had preferred targets and they fell through. With Mings back soon and Pau not long after, along with Bogarde we have cover but right now it’s a huge risk in terms of immediate need and timing. The forwards were improved considerably but it doesn’t help if we are having to score 3 a game to win. Shame if we can’t get a loan CB in so we will have to fight on under Mings is back and hope Pau is good soon after.
It’s not really bad luck - regularly playing someone who has come back from a serious injury recently is always more likely to result in injury. I’ll be honest I can’t see any excuse for a team competing in the Champions League, or in the top flight, not to have four senior centre-halves. We don’t need a perfect solution, we do need another centre-back though or it’ll likely absolutely kill us before the season is out.
Post by: Walmley_Villa on February 03, 2025, 03:57:37 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 03, 2025, 03:58:24 PM
We are well-stocked for the new one-at-the-back system. Stop moaning.
Maybe that is how we rock now 3 a the the back but two are full backs then two winger/wing backs bombing forward with some tall midfielders in the middle !!
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2025, 04:01:08 PM
We are well-stocked for the new one-at-the-back system. Stop moaning.
Emery is taking it back to the 'WM' formation for our 150 years celebrations.
Post by: Goldenballs on February 03, 2025, 04:04:46 PM
Maybe we really have gone full Spurs and totally given up trying to defend.
Baffling.
Post by: ajmant on February 03, 2025, 04:08:15 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 03, 2025, 04:16:16 PM
Moby Dick continues to elude Captain Ahab. Joao Felix has gone to AC Milan. I'm sure we will be linked with him again in the summer and every window thereafter.
Im going to make a prediction that chelsea said he isnt available to buy until summer as they dont want to risk him smashing at us leaving us to finish above them. Then summer we can get him once rash goes back to utd.
Post by: Paul.S on February 03, 2025, 04:16:34 PM
I can’t believe we won’t get one in but if not this could be the decision that costs us.
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 04:17:57 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 04:21:37 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 03, 2025, 04:24:31 PM
Athletic say we are no longer after a defender.
Utter madness.
Where?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 04:24:37 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 03, 2025, 04:25:05 PM
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 03, 2025, 04:25:26 PM
No it's not.
How can having one FEWER players in a critical position after a transfer window not be a risk?
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 03, 2025, 04:26:14 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 04:26:45 PM
Mings will be back, Torres likely soon after. Digne, Kamara and Bogarde can all do a job, probably equally as well as any available CB
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2025, 04:26:53 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 03, 2025, 04:27:39 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 04:27:48 PM
No it's not.
How can having one FEWER players in a critical position after a transfer window not be a risk?
It is a risk. It's not total negligence.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 04:28:02 PM
Getting a centre half was the main priority of this window and so far we have failed miserably to address this issue. Signing Rashford and Asensio is all well and good, but our defence looks a shambles and needs serious upgrading in both depth and quality.
Was it? I thought a RB was? Getting a CB only became a priority when Carlos left and Mings got injured within 5 minutes of eachother.
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 03, 2025, 04:28:10 PM
We will play reserve set up in the Cup and have one premier league game in the next 19 days.
Mings will be back, Torres likely soon after. Digne, Kamara and Bogarde can all do a job, probably equally as well as any available CB
Digne, Kamara and Bogarde don’t appear to be able to do a very good job.
Post by: LeonW on February 03, 2025, 04:28:52 PM
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 04:30:33 PM
I wished we had made a big for Lacroix @ Palace - big tough fucker who can play a bitDon't think there's any chance they'd sell him in january. They've turned down £70m for Guehi.
No, but they only spent £15m on him in the summer.
Just for when the inevitable "well, there clearly aren't any defenders that are good enough who are willing to come" excuses come out.
Post by: Chris Smith on February 03, 2025, 04:31:44 PM
It's a huge oversight and very strange if we don't sign a CB .
It’s neither strange nor an oversight. It is, however, disappointing that we have seemingly been thwarted in finding a player of sufficient quality to provide cover.
Post by: Gareth on February 03, 2025, 04:33:42 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 03, 2025, 04:33:45 PM
We will play reserve set up in the Cup and have one premier league game in the next 19 days.
Mings will be back, Torres likely soon after. Digne, Kamara and Bogarde can all do a job, probably equally as well as any available CB
Digne, Kamara and Bogarde don’t appear to be able to do a very good job.
Yeah, that's incredibly positive thinking. I get Mings and Torres coming back, but Konsa needs a better level of support.
Post by: brontebilly on February 03, 2025, 04:34:28 PM
Getting a centre half was the main priority of this window and so far we have failed miserably to address this issue. Signing Rashford and Asensio is all well and good, but our defence looks a shambles and needs serious upgrading in both depth and quality.
Was it? I thought a RB was? Getting a CB only became a priority when Carlos left and Mings got injured within 5 minutes of eachother.
Before the transfer window it was clear Emery didn't rate KN so we basically had no backup for an increasingly injury prone Cash. Emery ridiculously threw in Garcia after about two training sessions v Wolves with predictable consequences.
At CB, we were already trying to move on Carlos (again) and Torres had a long term injury. Down to two fit centre backs was going to be a huge risk, especially with Mings still coming back from a long term injury. Mings breaking down playing two games a week was predictable.
It is negligent, it's already cost us points in the last 2 x PL games.
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 04:34:38 PM
We will play reserve set up in the Cup and have one premier league game in the next 19 days.
Mings will be back, Torres likely soon after. Digne, Kamara and Bogarde can all do a job, probably equally as well as any available CB
You've just watched the blind panic with Kamara out of midfield and Digne at centre half?
Post by: martin o`who?? on February 03, 2025, 04:36:17 PM
Digne and Kamara have been our two best players this season but theyre hopelessly out of position at CB and its unfair to judge them on it.We will play reserve set up in the Cup and have one premier league game in the next 19 days.
Mings will be back, Torres likely soon after. Digne, Kamara and Bogarde can all do a job, probably equally as well as any available CB
Digne, Kamara and Bogarde don’t appear to be able to do a very good job.
Yeah, that's incredibly positive thinking. I get Mings and Torres coming back, but Konsa needs a better level of support.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2025, 04:36:45 PM
All this scheming and playing the market stuff from Monchi but here we are with one fit centre half, a problem exacerbated by then selling Carlos and not replacing him.
Absolute genius.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 04:38:50 PM
Getting a centre half was the main priority of this window and so far we have failed miserably to address this issue. Signing Rashford and Asensio is all well and good, but our defence looks a shambles and needs serious upgrading in both depth and quality.
Was it? I thought a RB was? Getting a CB only became a priority when Carlos left and Mings got injured within 5 minutes of eachother.
Before the transfer window it was clear Emery didn't rate KN so we basically had no backup for an increasingly injury prone Cash. Emery ridiculously threw in Garcia after about two training sessions v Wolves with predictable consequences.
At CB, we were already trying to move on Carlos (again) and Torres had a long term injury. Down to two fit centre backs was going to be a huge risk, especially with Mings still coming back from a long term injury. Mings breaking down playing two games a week was predictable.
It is negligent, it's already cost us points in the last 2 x PL games.
The post I replied to said a CB was the main priority of this window. It was not.
It became a priority when we sold Carlos, had a replacement lined up and all but done, and then he backed out. Meanwhile Mings got injured.
It's a series of unfortunate events. We may well come to regret not just panic buying someone. But there's a few posters on here rewriting the last month to imply Monchi and Emery and everyone else have just been dicking around ignoring a gaping hole in the squad, which in reality didn't exist until a week or so ago.
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 04:39:05 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 04:39:11 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2025, 04:39:39 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 03, 2025, 04:40:05 PM
Yeh they can all do a job, but doing a job isn't the objective, winning football matches is , which is difficult without the requisite number of defenders.We will play reserve set up in the Cup and have one premier league game in the next 19 days.
Mings will be back, Torres likely soon after. Digne, Kamara and Bogarde can all do a job, probably equally as well as any available CB
You've just watched the blind panic with Kamara out of midfield and Digne at centre half?
Its only a Metatarsal remember, Ramsey had only a metatarsal.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 04:44:06 PM
I don't know whether she's down there, looking up at all this going on and sobbing. I hope not, because this is a day of shame.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 04:46:09 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 03, 2025, 04:47:12 PM
Negligence may be a little too far, but it's hardly been great squad management has it?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 04:48:28 PM
We will play reserve set up in the Cup and have one premier league game in the next 19 days.
Mings will be back, Torres likely soon after. Digne, Kamara and Bogarde can all do a job, probably equally as well as any available CB
You've just watched the blind panic with Kamara out of midfield and Digne at centre half?
Indeed, all well and good playing Kamara or Digne there but they’re needed in their proper positions. No sign of Torres coming back and Mings being required to play every game is not ideal. Throw in the fact that many are commenting on Konsa’s lack of form and the lack of a centre half signing can be put down as a massive fuck up imo.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 03, 2025, 04:49:32 PM
Pau Torres broke his metatarsal on 30th December, which left us with 3 recognised centre backs. We then proceded to sell one of those and one of the others got injured in the very next game. That has left us having to play 2.5 important games (one extremely important one that could have had serious implications if we had lost) with a makeshift CB pairing.
Negligence may be a little too far, but it's hardly been great squad management has it?
Negligent-failing to take proper care.
Seems a perfectly apt description.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 04:51:45 PM
It is a suicidal approach to managing the second half of the season.
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 03, 2025, 04:52:00 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 04:53:07 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 04:53:08 PM
Post by: London Villan on February 03, 2025, 04:53:28 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 04:54:01 PM
I was due to donate a couple of lungs to a little girl this afternoon. I've called it off. I don't want her surviving in a world where Villa only have three centre backs. It sickens me to think what Monchi's done to that once-great little girl.
Gross negligence on his part.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2025, 04:54:07 PM
*shudders*
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 04:54:41 PM
Brighton getting Tommy Watson , liked the look of him and would have loved another Tommy at Villa.
Romano saying Sunderland have turned them down
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2025, 04:54:48 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 04:55:26 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 04:56:01 PM
We've missed out on 3 now. 1 on the summer and 2 in this window. Not ideal.
We can't have missed out on 3. That imples planning and effort, when we all know there was no planning and just a lot of negligence.
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2025, 04:57:32 PM
It’s credit to Kamara that he did well at centre half against Celtic, but tbh they’re pretty crap and unfortunately we don’t play those standard of teams every week. Given the fact he’s our best midfielder and we have injuries to Barkley and the made of glass Onana as well compounds the issue.We still conceded 2 goals , against a mediocre opponent, at home .
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 04:58:04 PM
Brighton getting Tommy Watson , liked the look of him and would have loved another Tommy at Villa.
Romano saying Sunderland have turned them down
Get him , loan him back . proper potenial there.
Post by: olaftab on February 03, 2025, 05:00:32 PM
Total betrayal comes to mind.I was due to donate a couple of lungs to a little girl this afternoon. I've called it off. I don't want her surviving in a world where Villa only have three centre backs. It sickens me to think what Monchi's done to that once-great little girl.Gross negligence on his part.
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 05:03:23 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 05:03:39 PM
Post by: Beard82 on February 03, 2025, 05:05:16 PM
I still think we'll have someone else in today.I think it will be that guy from PSG - as I think thats waiting on another deal
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 05:06:45 PM
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 05:07:14 PM
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 05:08:17 PM
Come on guys get a grip. Sure we’ve ended up in a position we didn’t want to be in, mainly because Bade and Chelsea fucked us over
Did they balls.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 05:12:13 PM
Our season is over.
No, but we’re putting the chances of success over the remainder at massive risk.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 03, 2025, 05:12:27 PM
Post by: Villafirst on February 03, 2025, 05:15:21 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 03, 2025, 05:16:14 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 03, 2025, 05:20:13 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 03, 2025, 05:20:35 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 03, 2025, 05:23:47 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 05:23:50 PM
We've fucked ourselves over. We needed a centre back since the summer to replace Lenglet. Then we really needed one from the end of December to replace Torres. Then we really, really needed on when Mings got injured. It hasn't come out of the blue. We've been a centre back light for 6 months.
Lenglet was replacing Mings, so we didn't really need to replace the replacement when the original was due back.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 03, 2025, 05:23:56 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 03, 2025, 05:26:17 PM
I struggle to see how Uni can sort out not having adequate cover at CH. We saw how we coped against a shit Wolves team. They tore us to shreds in the first half with Kamra at CH. Th whole defence was a shambles and the midfield was well below par without Kamara doing his proper job.Yep weakens the midfield and the defence by playing Kamara there.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 05:27:06 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 05:27:52 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 05:28:25 PM
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 05:28:32 PM
We're a CB light because we sold one, prior to that I wasn't too fussed, but even more so with the current injuries.
We've also then strangely chosen to loan out the main centre-back who has come through the youth setup.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 05:29:46 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 05:30:30 PM
Foyth from Villarreal would have been perfect.
If I were a betting man that would be the one I reckon we might sneak in.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 05:31:49 PM
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on February 03, 2025, 05:32:34 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 05:33:58 PM
We’re not sneaking anyone in it sounds like - I find it odd that a few seem to think it’s all fairly sensible decision making. It’s also putting a hell of a lot of pressure on Mings.unless Unai (or the others) think Kamara at CB and Bogarde in DM is the answer
Post by: frank black on February 03, 2025, 05:36:09 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 05:36:26 PM
Can loan deals happen after the “window slams shut ©️”no
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 05:37:27 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 05:38:21 PM
Post by: frank black on February 03, 2025, 05:38:30 PM
We’re not sneaking anyone in it sounds like - I find it odd that a few seem to think it’s all fairly sensible decision making. It’s also putting a hell of a lot of pressure on Mings.unless Unai (or the others) think Kamara at CB and Bogarde in DM is the answer
I sincerely hope not, Kamara is adequate at best playing there.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 05:38:42 PM
We may have been looking at having to spend a lot of money on a CB that wasn't on our list of wanted players, and then either not being able to play him in several games, or, having spent money on an attacking player we did want, and then having to leave them out of the CL squad.
Post by: frank black on February 03, 2025, 05:39:40 PM
Only free agents can sign. Meaning Carlton palmer could come in.
Perfect, we can all relax . Destiny this signing
Post by: olaftab on February 03, 2025, 05:41:47 PM
It’s better set up to do it other way around. Bogarde at CB and Kamara in midfield. Why weaken two areas?We’re not sneaking anyone in it sounds like - I find it odd that a few seem to think it’s all fairly sensible decision making. It’s also putting a hell of a lot of pressure on Mings.unless Unai (or the others) think Kamara at CB and Bogarde in DM is the answer
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 05:42:34 PM
We’re not sneaking anyone in it sounds like - I find it odd that a few seem to think it’s all fairly sensible decision making. It’s also putting a hell of a lot of pressure on Mings.unless Unai (or the others) think Kamara at CB and Bogarde in DM is the answer
Not a chance.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 03, 2025, 05:43:11 PM
that would be my preference.It’s better set up to do it other way around. Bogarde at CB and Kamara in midfield. Why weaken two areas?We’re not sneaking anyone in it sounds like - I find it odd that a few seem to think it’s all fairly sensible decision making. It’s also putting a hell of a lot of pressure on Mings.unless Unai (or the others) think Kamara at CB and Bogarde in DM is the answer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 05:45:04 PM
Post by: steamer on February 03, 2025, 05:45:54 PM
We knew Carlos was not good enough at end of last season.
If we do not get a CB in , sorry it all seems like a deadly window.
Post by: nick harper on February 03, 2025, 05:47:20 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 03, 2025, 05:48:25 PM
We're a CB light because we sold one, prior to that I wasn't too fussed, but even more so with the current injuries.
We've also then strangely chosen to loan out the main centre-back who has come through the youth setup.
I keep forgetting this, even stranger. I know he needs minutes but we're up shit creek a bit, and he can take a CL spot.
Post by: KRS on February 03, 2025, 05:48:35 PM
I assume that's it finished with trying to sign Felix? He's turned us down 3 times I think now? He hasn't cut it in the Premier League at Chelsea. He looks too lightweight to me so good that he's going to Milan.I don’t think he’s had much say in where he ends up in the last 2 transfer windows by all accounts. He’s agent in Jorge Mendes and sounds like he’s being used as a pawn to the benefit of himself and his client. Also, it appears to be widely reported that Chelsea see us a threat to CL qualification and don’t want to deal with us, so nothing to do with Felix himself at least on the surface.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 05:50:22 PM
Only free agents can sign. Meaning Carlton palmer could come in.
I poo pooed the idea of Sergio Ramos earlier in the thread…maybe I was too hasty!
As you all know, never ignore a poo poo.
Post by: Small Rodent on February 03, 2025, 05:50:23 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 05:50:30 PM
Beginning of the unraveling of the Monchi era for me this. Bit dramatic but then I’m Ill and we have a squad as balanced as a broken trampoline.we haven't signed many first team players in recent windows.
Post by: steamer on February 03, 2025, 05:51:18 PM
That being the case why did we spend so much time on trying to get DessaiI assume that's it finished with trying to sign Felix? He's turned us down 3 times I think now? He hasn't cut it in the Premier League at Chelsea. He looks too lightweight to me so good that he's going to Milan.I don’t think he’s had much say in where he ends up in the last 2 transfer windows by all accounts. He’s agent in Jorge Mendes and sounds like he’s being used as a pawn to the benefit of himself and his client. Also, it appears to be widely reported that Chelsea see us a threat to CL qualification and don’t want to deal with us, so nothing to do with Felix himself at least on the surface.
Post by: danno on February 03, 2025, 05:52:58 PM
Just catching up on the day. So we are likely to go into the last 16 champions league ties, our biggest games for many years, with one centre half finding his way back from 15 months out and struggling with two games per week, one with a metatarsal injury that are notoriously difficult to treat and accurately predict a return to full fitness, and one out of form and in need of some time out. Great.
I believe this to be a fair summary.
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2025, 05:53:20 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 05:53:32 PM
All this “not wanting to sell to rivals” is just made up click-bait from podcast weirdos.
I'd say it's as likely they thought they'd get more cash out of Spurs and tried to force that one through instead. Player gets little or no say.
Post by: Bosco81 on February 03, 2025, 05:57:01 PM
Is Disasi now the reincarnation of Paul McGrath, I could have sworn he was useless the other day, reading the experts views on here.
I’m sure all we need to do is refresh the filters on centre halves, and we can go again.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 06:06:43 PM
I’ve just had an afternoon nap so trying to play catch up.
Is Disasi now the reincarnation of Paul McGrath, I could have sworn he was useless the other day, reading the experts views on here.
I’m sure all we need to do is refresh the filters on centre halves, and we can go again.
I don’t think anyone said Disasi was but it’s a body in a position where we need options. Connor Coady and Harry Maguire have been suggested, get ‘em in I say!!
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 06:07:08 PM
Post by: john2710 on February 03, 2025, 06:13:07 PM
We now have one fit centre half, who is also our go to cover for right back, who's also injured. I'd play Digne at right back, it's got to be better than playing someone with little or no experience.
Hopefully Mings is back very soon. I understand why we don't want to panic buy someone we then end up stuck with but we have left ourselves very vulnerable.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 06:14:28 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 03, 2025, 06:16:27 PM
I agree right back was probably more of a priority at the start of the window and we've signed another project player there not ready to step up. And the lack of centre backs means we can't even play Konsa there when Cash has one of his regular injuries.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 06:18:58 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 06:19:05 PM
However, now we're desperate, let's get Maguire, Coady, play a kid etc etc.
Monchi is on the way out now, Emery hasn't a clue, the club are negligent, it's a disaster.
I mean what would actually make people happy?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 03, 2025, 06:20:58 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 06:23:43 PM
Carlos was shit so we needed to sell him. Foyth, not good enough, don't get him. Disasi, oh Chelsea fans think he's shit, don't get him. Bade, never heard of him. ....
However, now we're desperate, let's get Maguire, Coady, play a kid etc etc.
Monchi is on the way out now, Emery hasn't a clue, the club are negligent, it's a disaster.
I mean what would actually make people happy?
I was only joking about Maguire and Coady although they were mentioned, jokingly I think, previously. If you’re happy to have our best midfielder fill in at centre back thus depriving us of our best player in his proper position, hats off to you.
You can spin it how you like but as it stands it’s putting us in a potentially difficult position going forwards.
Edit. I think a half competent player who’s natural position is centre half is not an unreasonable wish.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 06:24:44 PM
Carlos was shit so we needed to sell him. Foyth, not good enough, don't get him. Disasi, oh Chelsea fans think he's shit, don't get him. Bade, never heard of him. ....
However, now we're desperate, let's get Maguire, Coady, play a kid etc etc.
Monchi is on the way out now, Emery hasn't a clue, the club are negligent, it's a disaster.
I mean what would actually make people happy?
A good centre back, large donner meat and chips, an hours nap then 3 minutes with Sydney Sweeney.
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 03, 2025, 06:25:28 PM
We shouldn't have sold Carlos without a replacement. Simple as that really.
It's not that hard to grasp is it? Seems it is.....
Post by: Gareth on February 03, 2025, 06:25:51 PM
Carlos was shit so we needed to sell him. Foyth, not good enough, don't get him. Disasi, oh Chelsea fans think he's shit, don't get him. Bade, never heard of him. ....
However, now we're desperate, let's get Maguire, Coady, play a kid etc etc.
Monchi is on the way out now, Emery hasn't a clue, the club are negligent, it's a disaster.
I mean what would actually make people happy?
Good summary Drummond…I think if we don’t get a decent centre half in we have cocked up but I also think talk or disaster or negligence is way OTT
I miss just slagging Heck off all day :-). He’s too short to play centre half isn’t he??
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 06:26:08 PM
I mean what would actually make people happy?
In order of preference:
Buying a shit-hot centre-back to replace Carlos
Loaning a shit-hot centre-back to replace Carlos
Loaning a capable placeholder centre-back to replace Carlos until we can do it properly in the summer
Not selling Carlos
Loaning someone familiar with the centre-back position to replace Carlos in the squad until we can do it properly in the summer
Selling Carlos and not bringing anyone in at all
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 06:26:54 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 03, 2025, 06:26:57 PM
A good centre back, large donner meat and chips, an hours nap then 3 minutes with Sydney Sweeney.
Never heard of him.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 06:27:24 PM
I agree right back was probably more of a priority at the start of the window and we've signed another project player there not ready to step up. And the lack of centre backs means we can't even play Konsa there when Cash has one of his regular injuries.
Assume you're talking about Garcia there, who I thought looked alright in his brief appearance in an entirely makeshift defense which also left our midfield out of shape.
Post by: Richard E on February 03, 2025, 06:27:43 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2025, 06:27:59 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 06:28:18 PM
decent up front.A good centre back, large donner meat and chips, an hours nap then 3 minutes with Sydney Sweeney.
Never heard of him.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 03, 2025, 06:29:03 PM
Carlos was shit so we needed to sell him. Foyth, not good enough, don't get him. Disasi, oh Chelsea fans think he's shit, don't get him. Bade, never heard of him. ....
However, now we're desperate, let's get Maguire, Coady, play a kid etc etc.
Monchi is on the way out now, Emery hasn't a clue, the club are negligent, it's a disaster.
I mean what would actually make people happy?
Shifting high wage dead wood - check
Signing Man Utds best player for buttons - check
Signing a full Spanish international that has won multiple European Cups and played for Real Madrid and PSG - check
Competition for Cash - check
Mings doesn't get injured and it would have been a very good window. I get the despondency over the injuries, but it is a fairly temprary injury crisis. Most areas of the pitch we are much stronger now, and have done far better business than most of our rivals.
Man Utd, Spurs, Newcastle, Man City, Brighton didn't do much. Liverpool and Arsenal didn't do anything.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 06:29:47 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 03, 2025, 06:32:32 PM
Carlos was shit so we needed to sell him. Foyth, not good enough, don't get him. Disasi, oh Chelsea fans think he's shit, don't get him. Bade, never heard of him. ....Football supporters are never happy.
However, now we're desperate, let's get Maguire, Coady, play a kid etc etc.
Monchi is on the way out now, Emery hasn't a clue, the club are negligent, it's a disaster.
I mean what would actually make people happy?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 06:33:07 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 06:33:40 PM
Has Onana ever played centre back?he’d be injured after 10 mins
Post by: 85kota on February 03, 2025, 06:38:17 PM
This has been a dark week in the history of this proud, historic club. Some of you know that my doctoral thesis was on the genocide of the Cheyenne and Arapaho Native American tribes in what has become known as the Sand Creek Massacre. This transfer window is worse than that.
You wouldn't be the first to say that. Some even trip up on formatting. Give it another go and you can get that PhD.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 06:39:17 PM
I mean what would actually make people happy?
In order of preference:
Buying a shit-hot centre-back to replace Carlos
Loaning a shit-hot centre-back to replace Carlos
Loaning a capable placeholder centre-back to replace Carlos until we can do it properly in the summer
Not selling Carlos
Loaning someone familiar with the centre-back position to replace Carlos in the squad until we can do it properly in the summer
Selling Carlos and not bringing anyone in at all
Don’t be so ridiculous Dave….all entitled and unreasonable
Post by: enigma on February 03, 2025, 06:43:46 PM
He was alright going forward but had a bit of a mare defensively.I agree right back was probably more of a priority at the start of the window and we've signed another project player there not ready to step up. And the lack of centre backs means we can't even play Konsa there when Cash has one of his regular injuries.
Assume you're talking about Garcia there, who I thought looked alright in his brief appearance in an entirely makeshift defense which also left our midfield out of shape.
Post by: KevinGage on February 03, 2025, 06:45:02 PM
Thought a few Prem sides might be all over that, particularly at the price.
John Egan to Hull and back as well. There was a time not long back I thought he'd do a decent job for us.
Post by: olaftab on February 03, 2025, 06:51:07 PM
Has Onana ever played more than 3 matches without getting injured?FIFY.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 03, 2025, 06:53:29 PM
Surprised at Marcus Edwards from Sporting Lisbon to Second Division Burnley.
Thought a few Prem sides might be all over that, particularly at the price.
Hasn't he gone there on loan? He wasn't getting in the Sporting team, technically he's not the best, scores a few goals but nothing special. An Ollie Watkins tribute act.
Post by: Baldy on February 03, 2025, 06:54:42 PM
That's why the name Conor Coady popped up.
Post by: enigma on February 03, 2025, 06:56:22 PM
Post by: shipscat on February 03, 2025, 06:57:34 PM
We're obviously still in a PSR squeeze and the outlays matter, and we've taken a hopefully sustainable gamble that Rashford and Asensio tip up and hit the ground running. I suspect Badé was the one we identified as the right deal, good enough to put big pressure on Ming's/Konsa at the right price/wages and in all probability we've have another 2/3 in mind, but we can't get them now or they're too expensive in Jan..so we'll wait...we're starting to shift players at above market rate, and with the lifted income we should be in a better position to recruit/deal in the summer. I think there's going to be a big re-build job then. We're already shipping out some of the projects with a view to shifting them. Valid hardnosed strategy but I believe it's a mistake in Kosta, but we've effectively replaced him with another project in Garcia and we've got Ozcan in sometime in the next week or so, as he is apparently awaiting a work permit.
However, not sure why we've loaned out all the promising defenders, Kosta, Swinkels now and Feeney's doing well at Shrewsbury.....wonder if we'll have him back, 19 and he's done extremely well, especially physically according to my Shrews mate.
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 06:57:41 PM
Has Onana ever played centre back?
Not sure he could concentrate properly at centre half. Has the physical attributes but doesn't sense danger in midfield that well. Might be ok with the game in front of him.
Post by: Bosco81 on February 03, 2025, 06:59:10 PM
Tyrone was in Worcester yesterday afternoon getting a tattoo done, so that must mean he is nearing full fitness.
Never had a tattoo myself but I assume you need to pass a full medical beforehand.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 07:00:43 PM
At this late stage, we need a center half who is prepared to be 4th choice when everyone else is fit. Preferably, with Premier League experience.
That's why the name Conor Coady popped up.
And someone happy enough not to play in the CL. This is literally the type of signing it would be at this point. Someone to cover 4 or 5 games, if even.
Post by: Small Rodent on February 03, 2025, 07:12:14 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 03, 2025, 07:12:54 PM
I mean what would actually make people happy?
In order of preference:
Buying a shit-hot centre-back to replace Carlos
Loaning a shit-hot centre-back to replace Carlos
Loaning a capable placeholder centre-back to replace Carlos until we can do it properly in the summer
Not selling Carlos
Loaning someone familiar with the centre-back position to replace Carlos in the squad until we can do it properly in the summer
Selling Carlos and not bringing anyone in at all
Don’t be so ridiculous Dave….all entitled and unreasonable
Yeah, I'm not sure why such extreme positions are expressed as if there is no middle ground.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 07:16:16 PM
Why didn’t we just lie to Bade and tell him he would have loads of game time?
We didn't have to lie to him, he just needed to wait a day and Mings got injured.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 03, 2025, 07:17:35 PM
They never learn
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2025, 07:19:11 PM
Reluctantly agreed to go to Spurs.
Post by: FatSam on February 03, 2025, 07:21:37 PM
At this late stage, we need a center half who is prepared to be 4th choice when everyone else is fit. Preferably, with Premier League experience.Yes. We have 3 international CBs. Two of them are currently injured, but should be back in contention relatively soon. The club’s stated intention to only buy players that improve the squad is admirable, but potentially problematic if we don’t have much time or money to sign someone. IMO the incoming player either has to be:
That's why the name Conor Coady popped up.
1) An improvement on the 3 international CBs we already have, and confident that they’ll get game time when they’re all fit (expensive), or;
2) Willing tp sign on loan knowing that they’ll be first choice immediately, and then fight it out for the rest of the season, before going back to their home club.
If we can’t get either of those, then we’re looking at fourth choice options/ squad fillers, which can only be short-term loans.
Clearly Bade wasn’t confident he’d get game time when Mings and Torres are fit.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 07:22:19 PM
SSN just talking about Mathys Tel going to Spurs after having said no, and preferring to go to Man United, Arsenal or us.
Reluctantly agreed to go to Spurs.
Sounds like if they get Disasi it will be reluctantly too. Will really help the mood, I'm sure. Ange could be gone this time next week too.
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 07:25:55 PM
SSN just talking about Mathys Tel going to Spurs after having said no, and preferring to go to Man United, Arsenal or us.
Reluctantly agreed to go to Spurs.
Sounds like if they get Disasi it will be reluctantly too. Will really help the mood, I'm sure. Ange could be gone this time next week too.
Dragusin done his ACL so I expect they are going all out to get him now
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2025, 07:29:06 PM
Post by: steamer on February 03, 2025, 07:31:30 PM
This with the Lev Yashin Goalkeeper in the team.
Our defending is crap
If we do not finish with a C.B we deserve what we get
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 03, 2025, 07:34:58 PM
I'd never heard of him, so looked him up on wiki:
Quote
International career
Estève is a youth international for France, having played for the France U20s.[9] After some injuries in his position at club level with Burnley, he took the decision himself to withdraw from the French 2024 Summer Olympics squad, and was replaced by Loïc Badé.[10][11]
So he's better than Bade. Let's nick him.
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 07:45:29 PM
Post by: ozzjim on February 03, 2025, 07:47:22 PM
We've signed Malen, Rashford and Asensio along with a very promising looking right back. Even with the outgoings our attack has been upgraded massively if we can get this lot playing together. I reckon most outsiders would look and think we've had a genuinely incredible transfer window, but on here the club are being called incompetent and people want Monchi sacked.
Rightly. He's had a month knowing we were down to 3 centre backs, so he sold one, and didn't replace him, then the one who'd been out for 16 months got injured. It's not a hard scenario to plan and sort.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 03, 2025, 07:56:00 PM
At this late stage, we need a center half who is prepared to be 4th choice when everyone else is fit. Preferably, with Premier League experience.
That's why the name Conor Coady popped up.
Monday club all day?
Post by: lovejoy on February 03, 2025, 07:57:59 PM
Post by: wolfman999 on February 03, 2025, 07:58:59 PM
We've signed Malen, Rashford and Asensio along with a very promising looking right back. Even with the outgoings our attack has been upgraded massively if we can get this lot playing together. I reckon most outsiders would look and think we've had a genuinely incredible transfer window, but on here the club are being called incompetent and people want Monchi sacked.
But then outsiders are probably unaware of our injury problems as according to Sky and similar, every team has an injury crisis except us.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 08:02:12 PM
Post by: wolfman999 on February 03, 2025, 08:03:23 PM
Post by: KRS on February 03, 2025, 08:04:32 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 08:04:57 PM
The winger is a free agent so a deal can be completed beyond tonight's deadline.
He made 67 appearances for Fulham between 2022 and 2024, before leaving for Olympiacos.
The 26-year-old, though, could soon make a return.'
26!? Is that dog years, seems he's been around longer than the Elgin Marbles
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 08:05:44 PM
Post by: KRS on February 03, 2025, 08:06:15 PM
Post by: Matt C on February 03, 2025, 08:06:21 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2025, 08:07:19 PM
Disasi deal could be back on…Spurs option is off so looks like it’s up to whether Chelsea will deal with us now.
It’s on.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 08:09:04 PM
Diasi incoming.
Fucking ‘ell, he’s shit 😂
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 08:18:09 PM
Post by: algy on February 03, 2025, 08:19:35 PM
Burnley's latest transfer announcement. https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/1886354138948141348Brilliant
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 08:20:39 PM
I have been present at the birth of all eighteen of my children. I've won lottery jackpots in several continents. I once found a solid lump of flavouring in the corner of a packet of pickled onion Monster Munch. All those things seem pathetic compared to the joy I feel about this transfer window.
That girls still not getting new lungs though.
Post by: Beard82 on February 03, 2025, 08:22:05 PM
It might not all work out - but if it does who knows what we can achieve. If its doesnt than they can go back to there clubs.
UTFV - now lets dick spurs and win the FA cup!
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 08:23:50 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 08:25:20 PM
I once found a solid lump of flavouring in the corner of a packet of pickled onion Monster Munch.
No matter how long ago this was I bet you can still taste it!
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2025, 08:26:56 PM
We've signed Malen, Rashford and Asensio along with a very promising looking right back. Even with the outgoings our attack has been upgraded massively if we can get this lot playing together. I reckon most outsiders would look and think we've had a genuinely incredible transfer window, but on here the club are being called incompetent and people want Monchi sacked.
Rightly. He's had a month knowing we were down to 3 centre backs, so he sold one, and didn't replace him, then the one who'd been out for 16 months got injured. It's not a hard scenario to plan and sort.
And maybe you jumped the gun on that a little. Given Disasi seems to be in now do you still think Monchi has fucked up this window?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 08:28:02 PM
Post by: jwarry on February 03, 2025, 08:30:41 PM
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on February 03, 2025, 08:30:48 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 08:30:58 PM
I have been present at the birth of all eighteen of my children. I've won lottery jackpots in several continents. I once found a solid lump of flavouring in the corner of a packet of pickled onion Monster Munch. All those things seem pathetic compared to the joy I feel about this transfer window.
That girls still not getting new lungs though.
Her last little words were 'keep an eye on the amortisation'. Bless.
Post by: SaddVillan on February 03, 2025, 08:32:47 PM
Sold
Philogene
Duran
Carlos
Loaned out
Joe Gauci
Emi Buendia
Kosta Nedeljkovic
Lewis Dobbin in & out
Iling-Junior in & out
Sil Swinkels
Kadan Young
Kobei Moore
Travis Patterson
Charlie Lutz
Signings
Andres Garcia
Donyell Malen
Loaned in
Marcus Rashford
Marco Asensio
Axel Disasi
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2025, 08:33:13 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 03, 2025, 08:33:52 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2025, 08:36:45 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 08:38:16 PM
2.5 hours left to save the season. We need a CB .
Bit greedy.
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2025, 08:38:24 PM
2.5 hours left to save the season. We need a CB .Amazing
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 03, 2025, 08:41:09 PM
Without all the piss take of critics, the reality is we have a negative goal difference at least 10 difference of the teams above us.
This with the Lev Yashin Goalkeeper in the team.
Our defending is crap
If we do not finish with a C.B we deserve what we get
It’s not always crap.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2025, 08:42:25 PM
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What a joke...
So basically a fairly newly promoted team has the ability and ambition to sign rashford and assensio...no matter what you think they are 2 proven players of quality...we would never sanction a deal like that let alone 2 in January.......
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2025, 08:43:44 PM
Well its been a decent one on paper. Last year we got rogers and we know what a star he is
You called them 'fools'for not buying players a few days ago.
Just saying
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on February 03, 2025, 08:44:11 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 03, 2025, 08:44:39 PM
A Spurs fanQuoteWhat a joke...
So basically a fairly newly promoted team has the ability and ambition to sign rashford and assensio...no matter what you think they are 2 proven players of quality...we would never sanction a deal like that let alone 2 in January.......
Newly promoted ? we are in the champions league !!
Post by: London Villan on February 03, 2025, 08:45:57 PM
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 03, 2025, 08:47:03 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on February 03, 2025, 08:49:25 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2025, 08:53:18 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 08:53:28 PM
Apart from the unknowable enigma that is Duran - world beater/couldn't beat an egg - it's hard to think that the departure/loans of any of the squad players have weakened us.
I reckon Ned is one, I saw a player in there and would have liked him to stay and play a little more. Garcia, if we saw profit there, maybe bought him and kept him where he was on loan.
Seems a lot of 'churn' for a January, my mind does tend to drift to if its all necessary or administrative staff moving players around to justify their own existence.
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 03, 2025, 08:54:27 PM
Tap in merchant claiming Disasi is done. And here we go.
Fabrizio Romano, saying the same thing and he's on his way.
Post by: Dave P on February 03, 2025, 08:55:16 PM
(Provided Disasi gets over the line)
Post by: London Villan on February 03, 2025, 08:56:30 PM
Right winger?
Striker?
Defender?
Post by: KRS on February 03, 2025, 08:57:10 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2025, 08:57:13 PM
Tap in merchant claiming Disasi is done. And here we go.
Fabrizio Romano, saying the same thing and he's on his way.
Tap in merchant claiming Disasi is done. And here we go.Heard we're in for Disasi, contact made tonight with the player.
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on February 03, 2025, 08:57:24 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2025, 08:58:16 PM
BBC Sport asking have Aston Villa 'won' the transfer window???Can you qualify for the Champions League if you win it?
Post by: Gareth on February 03, 2025, 08:59:11 PM
* providing it gets over the line
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on February 03, 2025, 08:59:18 PM
Hope so lol..BBC Sport asking have Aston Villa 'won' the transfer window???Can you qualify for the Champions League if you win it?
Post by: Beard82 on February 03, 2025, 08:59:25 PM
No but Danny Murphy gives you a certificateBBC Sport asking have Aston Villa 'won' the transfer window???Can you qualify for the Champions League if you win it?
Post by: Dave P on February 03, 2025, 09:00:21 PM
BBC Sport asking have Aston Villa 'won' the transfer window???Can you qualify for the Champions League if you win it?
GET IT IN THE BLUES DIARY!
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 09:00:51 PM
So is it 2 of the new 5 that miss out on CL squad? If so, you’d imagine it would be Garcia + ???
Yeah. Rashford said a lot about playing CL so safe to assume that was part of the conversation before he agreed to the move. So one of Malen or Asensio getting left at home. Dunno how they feel about it but it's good for us to have a fresh player to play upfront after the CL games.
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 09:02:35 PM
Post by: Dave P on February 03, 2025, 09:03:12 PM
Post by: Dave on February 03, 2025, 09:04:29 PM
Malen may be cup-tied? or Asensio?
Nope, and nope.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 03, 2025, 09:04:30 PM
I don’t think being cup tied is a thing in Europe.
It isn't. I believe you can only register 3 new players for the next stage though.
Post by: London Villan on February 03, 2025, 09:04:50 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 03, 2025, 09:04:56 PM
Good :)Malen may be cup-tied? or Asensio?
Nope, and nope.
Post by: Gareth on February 03, 2025, 09:06:01 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2025, 09:08:05 PM
If Disasi is on the way surely we can get another in…2 hours to go :-)Time to bring Callum Chambers home surely .
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 03, 2025, 09:08:32 PM
We’ve massively upgraded our squad and filled all the key areas for possibly less than the package we offered Badé. Whilst making a massive profit from sales. I’d say this has been successful.
(Provided Disasi gets over the line)
What we could be witnessing here is pure Emery genius, so teams have learned how to play us this season, so Emery won't change the team style and tactics so what can he do? he actually changes the player skill set, you introduce certain new players to fit the those tactics with new skills, Rashford who specializes in his arching runs, raiding from the left, turning defenders and going direct, you can see Villa now are set up to take on the last part of the season for a top 4 finish, win the Champions League and the FA Cup, we just need to bolster the defense and that looks like its about to happen, Brilliant really.
Post by: Ian. on February 03, 2025, 09:09:43 PM
BBC Sport asking have Aston Villa 'won' the transfer window???Can you qualify for the Champions League if you win it?
GET IT IN THE BLUES DIARY!
A open top bus city parade maybe?
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2025, 09:12:09 PM
It's been a wonderful window of incomings for me.
Lets see the remainder of the season and what it brings!
Up The Villa!
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 03, 2025, 09:12:30 PM
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 03, 2025, 09:13:15 PM
If Disasi is on the way surely we can get another in…2 hours to go :-)
Yes we can we are Villa, Disasi's parting shot was, he is so grateful to leave plinky plonky bridge.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 03, 2025, 09:14:18 PM
Is Dough still available?
It still has time to rise
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2025, 09:15:44 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 09:15:45 PM
Post by: garyellis on February 03, 2025, 09:16:27 PM
I’m not saying there aren’t any risks as with all transfers but overall our squad looks stronger than ever. Let’s hope we have a bit more luck with niggling injuries and the new lads show what they are capable of. UTV
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 09:19:54 PM
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 03, 2025, 09:22:58 PM
Well did anyone expect a better window?
I’m not saying there aren’t any risks as with all transfers but overall our squad looks stronger than ever. Let’s hope we have a bit more luck with niggling injuries and the new lads show what they are capable of. UTV
I thought we'd blown it, last 48 have changed all that, looking very positive, next couple of hours could be the icing on the cake.
Post by: andyh on February 03, 2025, 09:29:40 PM
Incredible and immense credit to Monchi and team.
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2025, 09:31:32 PM
Post by: KRS on February 03, 2025, 09:34:13 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on February 03, 2025, 09:36:30 PM
Post by: Proposition Joe on February 03, 2025, 09:39:37 PM
Apparently we only need to leave 1 out of the 5 new signings from the CL squad as we’ve moved on more than 5 players from List A…so basically it will likely be just Garcia that misses out (based on Disasi being able to cover RCB and RB). I know Rashford mentioned playing CL football so imagine the same would have helped with getting Asensio too.
With Philogene going though don't we lose a spot due to mandatory homegrown player rules?
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2025, 09:42:47 PM
Apparently we only need to leave 1 out of the 5 new signings from the CL squad as we’ve moved on more than 5 players from List A…so basically it will likely be just Garcia that misses out (based on Disasi being able to cover RCB and RB). I know Rashford mentioned playing CL football so imagine the same would have helped with getting Asensio too.
With Philogene going though don't we lose a spot due to mandatory homegrown player rules?
Yes, but we're down to, I think, 17 players on list a so we've got plenty of space on that front, the slots to register new additions is the limiting factor.
Post by: TonyD on February 03, 2025, 09:43:34 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 03, 2025, 09:45:07 PM
Apparently we only need to leave 1 out of the 5 new signings from the CL squad as we’ve moved on more than 5 players from List A…so basically it will likely be just Garcia that misses out (based on Disasi being able to cover RCB and RB). I know Rashford mentioned playing CL football so imagine the same would have helped with getting Asensio too.
With Philogene going though don't we lose a spot due to mandatory homegrown player rules?
Yes, but we're down to, I think, 17 players on list a so we've got plenty of space on that front, the slots to register new additions is the limiting factor.
Which means what Paul? How many of the new players are we able to add to the squad please?
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 03, 2025, 09:45:13 PM
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2025, 09:52:38 PM
Apparently we only need to leave 1 out of the 5 new signings from the CL squad as we’ve moved on more than 5 players from List A…so basically it will likely be just Garcia that misses out (based on Disasi being able to cover RCB and RB). I know Rashford mentioned playing CL football so imagine the same would have helped with getting Asensio too.
With Philogene going though don't we lose a spot due to mandatory homegrown player rules?
Yes, but we're down to, I think, 17 players on list a so we've got plenty of space on that front, the slots to register new additions is the limiting factor.
Which means what Paul? How many of the new players are we able to add to the squad please?
It looks like 3, the confusion is because there's lines about extras that only apply to a handful of countries but that context wasn't being included in a lot of places.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 03, 2025, 09:56:21 PM
Does anyone know if Bennie McCarthey is joining?
He is getting a lift in with Robbie Keane.
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2025, 09:58:23 PM
The squad looks much, much better now. Got shafted a bit on Disasi by the sound of it, paying a loan fee we didn't want to, but all in all, pretty happy with the business we've done.
At a guess, looking at other loans from Chelsea, the option was to pay a big-ish loan fee or have an obligation to buy in the summer.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2025, 10:03:24 PM
Grealish days numbered and if Emery was interested then it's sort of move that could happen.
At the moment it's an issue of anyone taking his wages.
And with Man City owing some of the £100m still a deal in some capacity could materialise ?!
Maybe even if Asensio and Rashford did work out would still look to take back Jack.
But maybe that ship has sailed?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 03, 2025, 10:04:01 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on February 03, 2025, 10:05:51 PM
Gauci
Carlos
Buendia
Ned
Duran
have left/been loaned.
Not sure what that means
Malen
Garcia
Rashford
Disasi
Arsenio
5 out, 5 in?
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 10:06:40 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 03, 2025, 10:06:57 PM
I could see there be scope for Grealish in the summer if one of the loan signings don't materialise into permanent movesThat ship has long long long ago sailed
Grealish days numbered and if Emery was interested then it's sort of move that could happen.
At the moment it's an issue of anyone taking his wages.
And with Man City owing some of the £100m still a deal in some capacity could materialise ?!
Maybe even if Asensio and Rashford did work out would still look to take back Jack.
But maybe that ship has sailed?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 03, 2025, 10:11:16 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 03, 2025, 10:11:20 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 03, 2025, 10:12:17 PM
Poor Kirsty from Sky outside Villa park ,at 10pm on a Monday what is the point ?
How long has it been since we had transfer signings done in the North Stand?
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 10:12:49 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 10:13:14 PM
You'd think they all have been told they stand a chance of being in the squad.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on February 03, 2025, 10:13:52 PM
Post by: john e on February 03, 2025, 10:14:52 PM
Poor Kirsty from Sky outside Villa park ,at 10pm on a Monday what is the point ?
Dangerous watch out for the African car reverser
Post by: Somniloquism on February 03, 2025, 10:16:11 PM
When do we have to submit a list?
You'd think they all have been told they stand a chance of being in the squad.
For UEFA it is.
6 February 2025 (24:00 CET) so 2300 our time (I'm guessing 2400 means the evening of with 0000 being the morning of).
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 10:16:15 PM
Post by: KRS on February 03, 2025, 10:16:17 PM
Will Disasi be the one to miss out on the Champions League? With Mings and Pau hopefully back? I can’t imagine Malen, Rashford and Asensio signing without assurances of CL football.You could say the same thing for Disasi who provides much needed cover at RCB and RB. If Garcia is a given as one that misses out then we don’t have any natural cover for Cash or any injured CBs. I’m sure UE has a plan and we’ll find out soon enough.
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 03, 2025, 10:18:23 PM
Will Disasi be the one to miss out on the Champions League? With Mings and Pau hopefully back? I can’t imagine Malen, Rashford and Asensio signing without assurances of CL football.You could say the same thing for Disasi who provides much needed cover at RCB and RB. If Garcia is a given as one that misses out then we don’t have any natural cover for Cash or any injured CBs. I’m sure UE has a plan and we’ll find out soon enough.
Oh I know, I’m only guessing, based on nothing. Would be more surprised at Malen and Asensio joining from CL clubs and agreeing to no CL football though.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 03, 2025, 10:20:53 PM
The squad looks much, much better now. Got shafted a bit on Disasi by the sound of it, paying a loan fee we didn't want to, but all in all, pretty happy with the business we've done.
Isn’t it the same fee spurs agreed?
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2025, 10:22:30 PM
No we don't need GrealishIt was just a thought you see.
Would bring an element of control and considering likes of Rashford and Asensio been signed on loans can't discount anything in many ways.
Anyway TV untill you start a thread on him (speculation) won't bring him up again
You've been pretty successful with the transfer player threads
Look forward to the summer ones!
Up The Villa.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 03, 2025, 10:23:48 PM
Well its been a decent one on paper. Last year we got rogers and we know what a star he is
You called them 'fools'for not buying players a few days ago.
Just saying
Thanks for the history lesson that no one asked for.
Ill quote one of your favourite words what a 'cringe' post
We have said three players since then if you havent noticed
Post by: KRS on February 03, 2025, 10:25:07 PM
Yeah I know too…I can’t work it out either so I’m just going to reconcile it by saying it’s a nice headache to have, but I’m glad it’s UEs headache not mine!Will Disasi be the one to miss out on the Champions League? With Mings and Pau hopefully back? I can’t imagine Malen, Rashford and Asensio signing without assurances of CL football.You could say the same thing for Disasi who provides much needed cover at RCB and RB. If Garcia is a given as one that misses out then we don’t have any natural cover for Cash or any injured CBs. I’m sure UE has a plan and we’ll find out soon enough.
Oh I know, I’m only guessing, based on nothing. Would be more surprised at Malen and Asensio joining from CL clubs and agreeing to no CL football though.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2025, 10:33:02 PM
Yeah I know too…I can’t work it out either so I’m just going to reconcile it by saying it’s a nice headache to have, but I’m glad it’s UEs headache not mine!Will Disasi be the one to miss out on the Champions League? With Mings and Pau hopefully back? I can’t imagine Malen, Rashford and Asensio signing without assurances of CL football.You could say the same thing for Disasi who provides much needed cover at RCB and RB. If Garcia is a given as one that misses out then we don’t have any natural cover for Cash or any injured CBs. I’m sure UE has a plan and we’ll find out soon enough.
Oh I know, I’m only guessing, based on nothing. Would be more surprised at Malen and Asensio joining from CL clubs and agreeing to no CL football though.
This is deviation from transfer talk.
Is this more suited to champions league thread or it's own thread .
I just feel here is to talk about the transfer especially with less than half an hour to go.
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 03, 2025, 10:38:48 PM
This is deviation from transfer talk.
Is this more suited to champions league thread or it's own thread .
I just feel here is to talk about the transfer especially with less than half an hour to go.
Nah, I’m going to talk about it wherever I think it’s relevant. I don’t ask you to keep your god nonsense in a fairytale thread, do I?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 10:39:34 PM
Yeah I know too…I can’t work it out either so I’m just going to reconcile it by saying it’s a nice headache to have, but I’m glad it’s UEs headache not mine!Will Disasi be the one to miss out on the Champions League? With Mings and Pau hopefully back? I can’t imagine Malen, Rashford and Asensio signing without assurances of CL football.You could say the same thing for Disasi who provides much needed cover at RCB and RB. If Garcia is a given as one that misses out then we don’t have any natural cover for Cash or any injured CBs. I’m sure UE has a plan and we’ll find out soon enough.
Oh I know, I’m only guessing, based on nothing. Would be more surprised at Malen and Asensio joining from CL clubs and agreeing to no CL football though.
I’d say Disasi, should he sign, would be a definite inclusion as would Rashford.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 10:40:14 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 03, 2025, 10:44:11 PM
What happened to the young Turkish and Norwegian players we were supposed to be close to, did they stay put or go elsewhere?
Pretty sure it was reported the Norwegian lad had talked to a load of top clubs and will decide in the summer. haven’t heard anything about the Turkish CB for weeks.
Strange as it seemed a done deal. On that note, if we loaned him straight back are we obligated to announce the signing?
Post by: KRS on February 03, 2025, 10:44:31 PM
So that potentially leaves Malen vs Asensio…so does UE give the final place to our own player or a 3x CL winner who may, or may not, have been promised CL football as part of his loan agreement. Hopefully none of us know what we’re talking about and all of them can make the squad.Yeah I know too…I can’t work it out either so I’m just going to reconcile it by saying it’s a nice headache to have, but I’m glad it’s UEs headache not mine!Will Disasi be the one to miss out on the Champions League? With Mings and Pau hopefully back? I can’t imagine Malen, Rashford and Asensio signing without assurances of CL football.You could say the same thing for Disasi who provides much needed cover at RCB and RB. If Garcia is a given as one that misses out then we don’t have any natural cover for Cash or any injured CBs. I’m sure UE has a plan and we’ll find out soon enough.
Oh I know, I’m only guessing, based on nothing. Would be more surprised at Malen and Asensio joining from CL clubs and agreeing to no CL football though.
I’d say Disasi, should he sign, would be a definite inclusion as would Rashford.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2025, 10:52:44 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2025, 10:55:14 PM
You think someone would have taken him.
I remember when Deano wanted him and were close to signing
And I also remembered Cashy gifting him free kicks and the two excellent goals he scored.
Takes a great set piece Ward Prowse.
Post by: KRS on February 03, 2025, 10:56:31 PM
https://youtu.be/OLmw9Jtl_8M?si=e5cHjRc-CzrQDBSG
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 11:02:06 PM
I could see Malen being the one left out, given the other 2 are on loan. Malen can help us qualify for next year where he'll get plenty of games.
Post by: olaftab on February 03, 2025, 11:06:01 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 11:07:08 PM
Asensio interview covers a fair bit about CL so with his experience you’d expect him to be in the CL squad…
https://youtu.be/OLmw9Jtl_8M?si=e5cHjRc-CzrQDBSG
Cheers for posting. Maybe Malen misses out if it’s only 3, seems a bit harsh to go with loan players over our own though.
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 11:09:23 PM
Asensio interview covers a fair bit about CL so with his experience you’d expect him to be in the CL squad…
https://youtu.be/OLmw9Jtl_8M?si=e5cHjRc-CzrQDBSG
Cheers for posting. Maybe Malen misses out if it’s only 3, seems a bit harsh to go with loan players over our own though.
Not when one of them has won the CL 3 times and the other was one of the best players in the country 2 seasons ago.
It's a tough call though, and one we wouldn't have had to make if we hadn't gotten Disasi in last minute. Entirely possible all 3 attacking players were promised CL.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 11:11:37 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 11:14:53 PM
^* so you were happy to go with the current crop of injured defenders ?
If that's me you're asking, no?
Simply pointing out it's possible that all 3 attacking players were promised they'd be in the CL squad, because at the time of signing, we weren't looking like getting a CB in.
That's now changed, and it seems likely that Disasi needs to be added, so there's now a decision to be made.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 03, 2025, 11:19:59 PM
^* so you were happy to go with the current crop of injured defenders ?
If that's me you're asking, no?
Simply pointing out it's possible that all 3 attacking players were promised they'd be in the CL squad, because at the time of signing, we weren't looking like getting a CB in.
That's now changed, and it seems likely that Disasi needs to be added, so there's now a decision to be made.
Ah ok. I read it as if you thought it was a negative and would rather not have signed Disasi enabling us to register the other 3.
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 03, 2025, 11:26:31 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 03, 2025, 11:34:27 PM
Time will tell just how well we've spent this window, but the prospect of watching some of the players who have arrived is an exciting one. Not entirely convinced we have done enough to improve our defensive problems, but let's see. I think we have had a bit more of a short-term approach in this window and that we could be looking at a bit of a reset over the summer.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2025, 11:35:24 PM
Awkward conversation tomorrow.......Ah ...well....when I invited you to join us on our Champions League journey......I didn't actually say as a player. You don't mind sitting it out this year do you ? You can have a padded seat in hospitality.....Next to Mr Heck.
And a free flag....
Post by: SaddVillan on February 03, 2025, 11:47:46 PM
Abufuckingcity have spent nearly £200M. It’s almost 2/3 of the total spend by all clubs in this window.
According to the BBC, FC AbuDhabiBandis' spending this window is up to about £180m, compared to £177m for the other 19 teams in the Premier League combined.
That's the second-highest spend in a winter window ever, behind Chelsea in 2023, who spent €330m (£275m).
They haven't sold anybody.
PSR?
Nope, me neither.
Post by: Villafirst on February 03, 2025, 11:56:22 PM
Abufuckingcity have spent nearly £200M. It’s almost 2/3 of the total spend by all clubs in this window.
I think we can all guess the eventual outcome of the 115 FFP charges....
Post by: Steve67 on February 03, 2025, 11:57:52 PM
Post by: yammers on February 04, 2025, 12:40:36 AM
Is Dough still available?
Do you think we still knead him?
Post by: Matt C on February 04, 2025, 12:44:07 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 12:58:48 AM
We've signed 5 players who are all upgrades on what we had, and we've made a thumping great profit.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 04, 2025, 01:08:05 AM
Post by: OCD on February 04, 2025, 01:11:39 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 01:15:10 AM
Yes, clearly. It's a great window now we've done what we needed to do, it would have been disastrous if we'd decided to not bother signing a central defender but thankfully Villa or the player seem to have got a U-turn out of Chelsea so all good.
It wasn't a bad window before. It's been a good window and so many people were losing their shit about how awful things were.
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 01:15:43 AM
We still had to give Chelsea £5m to be able to use their player as a back-up to Konsa between now and the end of the season.
So? That's how these things are these days.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 04, 2025, 01:23:43 AM
Yes, clearly. It's a great window now we've done what we needed to do, it would have been disastrous if we'd decided to not bother signing a central defender but thankfully Villa or the player seem to have got a U-turn out of Chelsea so all good.
It wasn't a bad window before. It's been a good window and so many people were losing their shit about how awful things were.
Losing their shit = being annoyed that it was looking like a CB wasn't coming in. Which clearly wouldn't have been great. This didn't happen. This is good.
Post by: Londonvilla on February 04, 2025, 01:32:00 AM
Yes, clearly. It's a great window now we've done what we needed to do, it would have been disastrous if we'd decided to not bother signing a central defender but thankfully Villa or the player seem to have got a U-turn out of Chelsea so all good.
It wasn't a bad window before. It's been a good window and so many people were losing their shit about how awful things were.
Losing their shit = being annoyed that it was looking like a CB wasn't coming in. Which clearly wouldn't have been great. This didn't happen. This is good.
I 100% agree. Can I be the first person to say at the end of the transfer window, Trust the process.
Post by: Tuscans on February 04, 2025, 01:44:25 AM
Damian Vidagany
@DV1874
The process it is not about signings. It is about the beautiful moment of AVFC. This confidence in what we are doing. With Mistakes and imperfections. Up and downs. We have NSWE, committed owners, experienced and sharp management team and staff, an amazing squad -honest players and hard workers- and a world class manager like Unai. All together. With you, the fans. The process is trust each other and help each other. Create a culture, a mentality. Through the effort and togetherness. See you on Sunday!!! UTV!
Your devotion, loyalty, passion and demand feeds our ambition. Up the Villa and trust the process.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 04, 2025, 01:44:51 AM
Will Disasi be the one to miss out on the Champions League? With Mings and Pau hopefully back? I can’t imagine Malen, Rashford and Asensio signing without assurances of CL football.
I doubt it. We have to name the squad on the 6/7th (?) Feb. We surely won’t gamble on their fitness that far in advance.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 04, 2025, 01:50:24 AM
We still had to give Chelsea £5m to be able to use their player as a back-up to Konsa between now and the end of the season.
I doubt he’ll be back up to Konsa when the others are fit.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 04, 2025, 02:30:37 AM
We still had to give Chelsea £5m to be able to use their player as a back-up to Konsa between now and the end of the season.
Why is he a back up? What if he replaces Konsa because he’s better. I imagine none of the players we signed, maybe with the exception of Garcia have come with the mindset to back up anyone.
Post by: Rory on February 04, 2025, 02:39:30 AM
Abufuckingcity have spent nearly £200M. It’s almost 2/3 of the total spend by all clubs in this window.
Almost as if the system were crooked, mate.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 04, 2025, 02:51:54 AM
Yes, clearly. It's a great window now we've done what we needed to do, it would have been disastrous if we'd decided to not bother signing a central defender but thankfully Villa or the player seem to have got a U-turn out of Chelsea so all good.
It wasn't a bad window before. It's been a good window and so many people were losing their shit about how awful things were.
Nope, if we’d left ourselves with 3 senior centre-backs (2 of which are injured currently) that would have been a really bad error. Fortunately, the club obviously recognised that and managed to get a deal pushed through.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 04, 2025, 03:02:45 AM
The process it is not about signings. It is about the beautiful moment of AVFC. This confidence in what we are doing. With Mistakes and imperfections. Up and downs. We have NSWE, committed owners, @leonsfdo, experienced and sharp management team and staff, an amazing squad -honest players and hard workers- and a world class manager like Unai. All together. With you, the fans. The process is trust each other and help each other. Create a culture, a mentality. Through the effort and togetherness. See you on Sunday!!! UTV!
https://x.com/DV1874/status/1886587627345994200
Post by: adrenachrome on February 04, 2025, 03:04:03 AM
Of course, we needed a CB, and we sailed close to the wind.
All of these players have tremendous potential, and the rest of the season will soon show if it all works out.
Post by: ROBBO on February 04, 2025, 04:06:21 AM
Post by: steamer on February 04, 2025, 05:44:59 AM
Having loans means we can evaluate the players and keep tabs on other targets
I hope the Felix boat has sailed.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 04, 2025, 05:53:05 AM
I hope the Felix boat has sailed.
I wouldn’t have thought so. Emery’s not gonna stop loving him. We’ll try again in the summer I reckon.
Post by: Astnor on February 04, 2025, 06:08:57 AM
Yes, according to local media here the Norwegian lad - Sverre Nypan, will decide with his father and team where to go within weeks or some more and then move there in the summer. AND then they also said it s between three clubs now; Arsenal , Aston Villa and Girona. They will go for the club that seems the best fit for Sverre in terms which project they belive must in , opportunities and support for Sverre and the like and not only the money. More or less.What happened to the young Turkish and Norwegian players we were supposed to be close to, did they stay put or go elsewhere?
Pretty sure it was reported the Norwegian lad had talked to a load of top clubs and will decide in the summer. haven’t heard anything about the Turkish CB for weeks.
Strange as it seemed a done deal. On that note, if we loaned him straight back are we obligated to announce the signing?
Post by: Astnor on February 04, 2025, 06:15:53 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 04, 2025, 06:33:34 AM
What a great window by the look of it. We need a thread about the window to do reflections, opinions and the like.
Great idea! Why did nobody think of that? Sounds like the type of thing one of the footy algorithms would generate.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 04, 2025, 06:57:42 AM
So are you all happy now? I mean a few hours ago everything was shit, incompetents were running the show, negligence was the word of the day, and we had the worst people in charge.
We've signed 5 players who are all upgrades on what we had, and we've made a thumping great profit.
Yes i am happy as we got the cb we desperately needed and on paper they all look like upgrades on what we had.
Rashford on his day same level as duran if not better
Asensio upgrade on buendia
Malen upgrade on philiogene
Havent seen enough to say if diasi is better than carlos
Same with garcia over ned
But we have to be generally happy with that window. We have spent big so the summer we will have a lot to spend strengthening the squad.
Just glad we got a cb in as it would have been a disaster if we didnt.
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 07:08:43 AM
Yes, clearly. It's a great window now we've done what we needed to do, it would have been disastrous if we'd decided to not bother signing a central defender but thankfully Villa or the player seem to have got a U-turn out of Chelsea so all good.
It wasn't a bad window before. It's been a good window and so many people were losing their shit about how awful things were.
Nope, if we’d left ourselves with 3 senior centre-backs (2 of which are injured currently) that would have been a really bad error. Fortunately, the club obviously recognised that and managed to get a deal pushed through.
Oh, so if we hadn't got Disasi the management would have been shit, but because we did they are fortunate? That's the tone of your post.
Post by: jwarry on February 04, 2025, 07:11:44 AM
So are you all happy now? I mean a few hours ago everything was shit, incompetents were running the show, negligence was the word of the day, and we had the worst people in charge.
We've signed 5 players who are all upgrades on what we had, and we've made a thumping great profit.
Yes i am happy as we got the cb we desperately needed and on paper they all look like upgrades on what we had.
Rashford on his day same level as duran if not better
Asensio upgrade on buendia
Malen upgrade on philiogene
Havent seen enough to say if diasi is better than carlos
Same with garcia over ned
But we have to be generally happy with that window. We have spent big so the summer we will have a lot to spend strengthening the squad.
Just glad we got a cb in as it would have been a disaster if we didnt.
Bloody hell Demitri that is almost positive mate!
Post by: Ian. on February 04, 2025, 07:15:19 AM
I hope the Felix boat has sailed.
I wouldn’t have thought so. Emery’s not gonna stop loving him. We’ll try again in the summer I reckon.
I think he will too. We’re going to have two or three high end attacking players at least to upgrade on.
Post by: Steve67 on February 04, 2025, 07:27:04 AM
Post by: Gareth on February 04, 2025, 07:36:19 AM
Can’t wait to see the new guys play…really hope we have invigorated the squad and we will get back to creating loads of chances & defending better.
Abu Dhabi City must have been tipped the wink that they will get at least one transfer window ban as part of their charges
Post by: malckennedy on February 04, 2025, 07:39:19 AM
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Post by: Gareth on February 04, 2025, 07:49:34 AM
Can something be cleared up please? Three new players can be registered for the champions league. However with Duran leaving does that make it four including his replacement? If not who’s missing out?
Don’t think the key at this point is who is missing out it’s what date we have to submit the revised squad as we will see who is fit/injured then to do the squad…as for the rules on how many etc…god knows :-)
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 04, 2025, 08:06:46 AM
Can something be cleared up please? Three new players can be registered for the champions league. However with Duran leaving does that make it four including his replacement? If not who’s missing out?
Only 3 players can be added to the squad. There are no replacements. I think it’ll be either Malen or Disasi that will miss out.
Post by: Dave on February 04, 2025, 08:09:19 AM
Can something be cleared up please? Three new players can be registered for the champions league. However with Duran leaving does that make it four including his replacement? If not who’s missing out?
Don’t think the key at this point is who is missing out it’s what date we have to submit the revised squad as we will see who is fit/injured then to do the squad…as for the rules on how many etc…god knows :-)
This Thursday
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 04, 2025, 08:17:19 AM
Yes, clearly. It's a great window now we've done what we needed to do, it would have been disastrous if we'd decided to not bother signing a central defender but thankfully Villa or the player seem to have got a U-turn out of Chelsea so all good.
It wasn't a bad window before. It's been a good window and so many people were losing their shit about how awful things were.
Nope, if we’d left ourselves with 3 senior centre-backs (2 of which are injured currently) that would have been a really bad error. Fortunately, the club obviously recognised that and managed to get a deal pushed through.
Oh, so if we hadn't got Disasi the management would have been shit, but because we did they are fortunate? That's the tone of your post.
Well that’s not the intent - I meant more that fortunately they had they good sense to realise we did need another centre-half.
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 04, 2025, 08:19:17 AM
Yes, clearly. It's a great window now we've done what we needed to do, it would have been disastrous if we'd decided to not bother signing a central defender but thankfully Villa or the player seem to have got a U-turn out of Chelsea so all good.
It wasn't a bad window before. It's been a good window and so many people were losing their shit about how awful things were.
Nope, if we’d left ourselves with 3 senior centre-backs (2 of which are injured currently) that would have been a really bad error. Fortunately, the club obviously recognised that and managed to get a deal pushed through.
Oh, so if we hadn't got Disasi the management would have been shit, but because we did they are fortunate? That's the tone of your post.
Well that’s not the intent - I meant more that fortunately they had they good sense to realise we did need another centre-half.
Was clear to me what you meant.
Post by: Clampy on February 04, 2025, 08:37:47 AM
Anyway, we've brought in more than I expected us too, especially in attacking options. Pleasantly surprised really but yes, I'm glad we got a centre half in.
Post by: London Villan on February 04, 2025, 08:41:02 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 04, 2025, 08:41:29 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 04, 2025, 08:45:08 AM
Let the Clampy who is without sin cast the first stone oh holy one.
Yes, because childishly calling people donkey is really mature (not you I know). That's the kind of thing I mean.
Post by: Rigadon on February 04, 2025, 08:50:17 AM
I'd say it was a decent window. Duran aside (and he's now dead to me), all of the players out weren't good enough. Let's see how the players who've come in do, but on paper they are all upgrades.
Post by: Smithy on February 04, 2025, 08:52:30 AM
Malen for Philogene
Asensio for Buendia
Disasi for Carlos
Garcia for Ned
I think the only one there where you could argue we've not improved the quality of the squad is Duran for Rashford - but at his best, Rashford could definitely be an upgrade (it depends which version we get, but I'm hopeful).
I'd give this window a solid B+. If Pau and Tyrone find themselves fully fit again in the next couple of weeks, it could look very good indeed. Our attacking options have been given a definite upgrade.
Imagine bringing on Malen, Rashford and Asensio against a tiring defence?
Post by: Nev on February 04, 2025, 08:57:15 AM
The window has been progressive and that's what I want us to be, mirroring the mantra of the Manager in seeking to improve all the time. Loans are low risk, the Rashford one strikes me as the most fraught with danger but only time will tell. I half expected Bailey to go with Asensio coming in but of the departures the only one I would've kept is Duran, but if he wants to go then that's it and we made a packet on him.
The team line up now has added intrigue for the remainder of the season, I have always had a suspicion that we will finish strongly and with the additions and the return of some injured players, it could happen.
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 09:13:03 AM
They all know Emery is a great manager for doing that and he is the prime reason for them coming.
I hope in time that the club is seen in a similar light and we become the attraction as much as the manager.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 04, 2025, 09:26:10 AM
So are you all happy now? I mean a few hours ago everything was shit, incompetents were running the show, negligence was the word of the day, and we had the worst people in charge.
We've signed 5 players who are all upgrades on what we had, and we've made a thumping great profit.
Yes i am happy as we got the cb we desperately needed and on paper they all look like upgrades on what we had.
Rashford on his day same level as duran if not better
Asensio upgrade on buendia
Malen upgrade on philiogene
Havent seen enough to say if diasi is better than carlos
Same with garcia over ned
But we have to be generally happy with that window. We have spent big so the summer we will have a lot to spend strengthening the squad.
Just glad we got a cb in as it would have been a disaster if we didnt.
Bloody hell Demitri that is almost positive mate!
Hahaha. Im calling it as i see it buddy
Thats a good window we cant complain. I think had we not got diasi my opinion would have changed as i think it would have been a hige gamble to go get a cb. On paper the loans make sense as you over spend in january. In the summer we can go out and better value for money
I would have preferred tel over rashford but can't complain as if Emery gets best out of him we will have some player on our hands. If he cant get it out of rash no one can
Post by: Demitri_C on February 04, 2025, 09:28:26 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 04, 2025, 09:30:01 AM
Whats more childish is bringing up historic posts from days ago to try point score yet calling others childish (but luckily only one or two of those too)
I've got some bookmarked from years ago. Some people are going to feel pretty silly when I remind them what they said about the so called unsinkability of the Titanic.
Post by: lovejoy on February 04, 2025, 09:31:31 AM
Rashford for Duran
Malen for Philogene
Asensio for Buendia
Disasi for Carlos
Garcia for Ned
I think the only one there where you could argue we've not improved the quality of the squad is Duran for Rashford - but at his best, Rashford could definitely be an upgrade (it depends which version we get, but I'm hopeful).
I'd give this window a solid B+. If Pau and Tyrone find themselves fully fit again in the next couple of weeks, it could look very good indeed. Our attacking options have been given a definite upgrade.
Imagine bringing on Malen, Rashford and Asensio against a tiring defence?
yes yes but most of those are loans.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 04, 2025, 09:33:59 AM
I never come on this thread much until the last day, can't be arsed with rumour and conjecture, I'm too needy to cope with anything but certainty.
The window has been progressive and that's what I want us to be, mirroring the mantra of the Manager in seeking to improve all the time. Loans are low risk, the Rashford one strikes me as the most fraught with danger but only time will tell. I half expected Bailey to go with Asensio coming in but of the departures the only one I would've kept is Duran, but if he wants to go then that's it and we made a packet on him.
The team line up now has added intrigue for the remainder of the season, I have always had a suspicion that we will finish strongly and with the additions and the return of some injured players, it could happen.
I'm not sure 'progressive' is the exactly right term regarding the squad going forward, as I don't know how many of the loan signings will be with us after this season and think we will need quite a significant rebuild in the summer.
I think what it does show is the club recognising the importance of finishing this season as strongly as possible and have bolstered the squad with that in mind. Should be an interesting few months ahead.
Post by: Clampy on February 04, 2025, 09:35:38 AM
Whats more childish or more on par is bringing up historic posts from days ago to try point score yet calling others childish (but luckily only one or two of those too)
The fact that you replied says a lot.
I'll leave it there i think. Thanks.
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 09:40:05 AM
Whats more childish is bringing up historic posts from days ago to try point score yet calling others childish (but luckily only one or two of those too)
I've got some bookmarked from years ago. Some people are going to feel pretty silly when I remind them what they said about the so called unsinkability of the Titanic.
Yeah well in my defence I didn't know they were going to sail it straight into a big fucking ice cube.
Post by: Dave on February 04, 2025, 09:43:50 AM
I'm not sure 'progressive' is the exactly right term, as I don't know how many of the loan signings will be with us after this season think we will need quite a significant rebuild in the summer.
I think that if we really want any of them (and we only will if they're successful) then we'll probably be able to buy them. The Rashford deal is already in place. Chelsea don't want Disasi and unless we manage to piss him off he clearly is into us, and we need a RCB in the summer.
I think Asensio is the least likely (mainly because I seem to be the least bullish person on here on how good he's going to be for us so I don't think we'll actually want him permanently, Zaniolo-style), but if he's half-way decent then he's got a year left on an expensive contract with PSG and I'm pretty sure they'll be happy to send him our way permanently.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 04, 2025, 09:48:01 AM
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Monchi on Twitter
Good morning Villains, a new day begins. We leave behind an intense and difficult transfer window. The results will determine whether the work has been good or not.
Thanks to the owners for their support, to Unai for his trust, to the workers for their dedication and above all to
@DV1874
, indispensable support in everything we have done.
Trust the project.
UTV always!!!
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 04, 2025, 09:54:46 AM
Some people had already decided what a shit window it was before it had even closed. That was the problem. One or two on here (thankfully just one or two) have really embarrassed themselves over the last few days.
Anyway, we've brought in more than I expected us too, especially in attacking options. Pleasantly surprised really but yes, I'm glad we got a centre half in.
It was clear that we needed a central defender and when a club official said they’d be happy to go with what we had people were, rightly imo, worried that our season might crumble when we could be on the cusp of it being great.
A player in the right position has changed the feel of it and that’s taking nothing away from the signing in the attacking part of the pitch.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 04, 2025, 10:03:46 AM
Whats more childish or more on par is bringing up historic posts from days ago to try point score yet calling others childish (but luckily only one or two of those too)
The fact that you replied says a lot.
I'll leave it there i think. Thanks.
Good with me. The fact that you replied also speaks volumes 😂
Post by: caster troy on February 04, 2025, 10:05:29 AM
Konsa Disasi Torres Digne
Kamara Tielemans
Asensio Rogers Rashford
Watkins
Olsen
Cash Bogarde Mings Maatsen
Onana Barkley
Bailey Mcginn Ramsey
Malen
I'm sure we'll have six players out injured at any given point but still, that looks pretty strong to me.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 04, 2025, 10:06:04 AM
Just hope we are abit more sensible with our fees in the summer. We dont really want to be over inflated fees like 50m on onana
Post by: Gareth on February 04, 2025, 10:07:44 AM
Good work guys!
Post by: tomd2103 on February 04, 2025, 10:08:52 AM
Martinez
Konsa Disasi Torres Digne
Kamara Tielemans
Asensio Rogers Rashford
Watkins
Olsen
Cash Bogarde Mings Maatsen
Onana Barkley
Bailey Mcginn Ramsey
Malen
I'm sure we'll have six players out injured at any given point but still, that looks pretty strong to me.
Yep, looks a much stronger squad if we are close to full fitness.
Post by: Gareth on February 04, 2025, 10:11:06 AM
Martinez
Konsa Disasi Torres Digne
Kamara Tielemans
Asensio Rogers Rashford
Watkins
Olsen
Cash Bogarde Mings Maatsen
Onana Barkley
Bailey Mcginn Ramsey
Malen
I'm sure we'll have six players out injured at any given point but still, that looks pretty strong to me.
I feel sorry for poor Garcia…45 mins and he has been consigned to the third team :-)
Post by: Bosco81 on February 04, 2025, 10:12:05 AM
Martinez
Konsa Disasi Torres Digne
Kamara Tielemans
Asensio Rogers Rashford
Watkins
Olsen
Cash Bogarde Mings Maatsen
Onana Barkley
Bailey Mcginn Ramsey
Malen
I'm sure we'll have six players out injured at any given point but still, that looks pretty strong to me.
You've only put Konsa at right back to start an argument, have you not got any work to do today ?
Add Garcia on the bench, looks alright to me
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 10:14:15 AM
Martinez
Cash Disasi Torres Digne
Kamara Tielemans
Asensio Rogers Rashford
Watkins
Olsen
Garcia Konsa Mings Maatsen
Onana Barkley
Bailey McGinn Ramsey
Malen
I'm sure we'll have six players out injured at any given point but still, that looks pretty strong to me.
Yep, looks a much stronger squad if we are close to full fitness, though I'd not have Konsa at Right Back. Garcia is 2nd choice behind Cash, Bogarde drops to the bench as cover in Midfield.
I also think we'll see a bit of a shift in formation now, and are more likely to have two more solid players in Central Midfield and let the front 4 go wild.
It does, though I'd have Cash as Right Back, and Garcia as second choice Right Back. Drop Bogarde to the bench
Post by: caster troy on February 04, 2025, 10:15:11 AM
Post by: bill on February 04, 2025, 10:16:37 AM
Post by: algy on February 04, 2025, 10:57:59 AM
What I will say about the window is thanks to those (Tuscans / LondonVilla etc etc) who posted all the rumours up here through the window…it was a very pleasurable window not trolling through newsnow or twatter for any morsel of transfer speculationAgree there :)
Good work guys!
Post by: Didier Five on February 04, 2025, 11:42:50 AM
Garcia straight in for me, he looked pretty competent. Cash just isn’t good enough.
I thought that he had looked pretty decent the last few games before his injury.
Post by: VillaTim on February 04, 2025, 11:45:09 AM
Garcia straight in for me, he looked pretty competent. Cash just isn’t good enough.I'd say he needs time to adjust to the league after the 45 at wolves , did start well but then struggled .
On the other hand Cash has been playing well .
Post by: lovejoy on February 04, 2025, 11:46:13 AM
Could Emery get a tune out of Marcus Rashford?
You are truely a mystic.
Post by: Stu on February 04, 2025, 12:10:20 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 12:15:36 PM
Could Emery get a tune out of Marcus Rashford?
You are truely a mystic.
I didn't want to say....
Post by: 85kota on February 04, 2025, 12:22:47 PM
A lot of criticism of Monchi after the Wolves defeat but in the end Villa have managed to, arguably, upgrade five positions and bank 50 million quid on top. Not bad. Will see how it all turns out but if these signings click then the next half of the season could be very interesting.
Yes, a lot easier to assess now all the dealing has been done.
Looking at the total absence of deals from some of our rivals it seems that they have been paralysed by PSR. Evidently a fair amount of creativity is required to navigate the current restrictions. Perhaps some of the criticism aimed at Monchi was unfair. Understandable before the window has slammed shut.
The proof of the pudding will be in the Villa winning.
Post by: Mister E on February 04, 2025, 12:28:11 PM
Rashford for DuranI'm not sure how you can conclude that Garcia for Ned is an upgrade: we didn't see enough of the latter and the former has insufficient top-flight experience to make such an assertion.
Malen for Philogene
Asensio for Buendia
Disasi for Carlos
Garcia for Ned
I hope they're both competing for the RB role next season.
Post by: olaftab on February 04, 2025, 12:31:03 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 04, 2025, 12:44:25 PM
This truly epochal transfer window is dedicated to that young dog (deceased).
Post by: Smithy on February 04, 2025, 12:45:08 PM
Rashford for DuranI'm not sure how you can conclude that Garcia for Ned is an upgrade: we didn't see enough of the latter and the former has insufficient top-flight experience to make such an assertion.
Malen for Philogene
Asensio for Buendia
Disasi for Carlos
Garcia for Ned
I hope they're both competing for the RB role next season.
I mean, you're right, we don't "know with certainty" that he's an upgrade - but the fact Unai was willing to start him in a premier league game when he hasn't been willing to do that with Ned suggests he's probably a little more prepared to contribute to our first team than Ned has been this season. Where they'll both be in a couple of years, in terms of their natural level, who knows, but for now, I think he's an upgrade.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 04, 2025, 12:47:12 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 04, 2025, 12:48:43 PM
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Aston Villa’s transfer window: Emery’s Rashford wish, Disasi beats deadline, Duran’s exit
By Jacob Tanswell
Marcus Rashford’s arrival encapsulated Aston Villa’s transfer window.
It was unexpected and a product of a volatile market, stretching several targets, setbacks and late frenzy.
Rashford was Villa’s marquee signing. They had signed one of Britain’s most talked about footballers, known for his inherent talent but equally increasing concerns. Unai Emery was enamoured with Rashford and encouraged by him being out of favour at Manchester United.
At his best, Emery regards Rashford among the most threatening attackers in the world and backs himself to rejuvenate the 27-year-old. When it became evident there were diminishing alternatives for Rashford and Villa could make the finances work — largely owing to what had gone before in the window — senior figures quickly pressed ahead.
Villa will contribute a minimum of three-quarters of Rashford’s wages, which stands at more than £325,000 (€390,000, $403,500) per week and up to 90 per cent depending on performance-based bonuses.
Sources at Villa and close to players, speaking on the condition of anonymity to protect relationships, expressed their excitement at the signing, believing Emery, who thinks Rashford can operate on both flanks, as a No 10 and lone striker, will tap into a different side of the player’s personality and provide a platform to perform at his best. Villa possess an option to buy for £40million (€48.17m, $49.67m)
The swift nature of Rashford’s signing — with The Athletic reporting talks had started on Friday afternoon and the deal wrapped up Sunday night — underlined how the landscape changed almost daily at Villa.
Villa swivelled from one player to another, often shifting strategy on the future of their players and, throughout, being mindful of balancing the books. Overall, six players joined, with 11 leaving permanently or on loan.
Profit and sustainability rules (PSR) remain a thorny issue and will undoubtedly be revisited this summer. It is why Villa reluctantly sanctioned outgoings this winter as well as, privately, accepted the departures of others, such as Jhon Duran.
Talented but temperamental: Duran's Villa spell has been eventful - €77m was too good to refuse
Figures from the Deloitte Football Money League 2025 stated a remarkable 96 per cent of Villa’s wage-to-revenue ratio was spent on player salaries in the 2023-24 campaign. For comparison, the next highest of the clubs in the world’s top 20 for generating revenue was Chelsea, standing at 72 per cent.
This season, Villa have accrued £75m in Champions League prize money and exceeded £90m in sales during the window, discounting possible add-ons. Still, incoming funds did not soften PSR fears, even when it became evident the club were short of depth in certain positions and with little time remaining in the window. Senior figures insisted they would not rush into signings and/or take financial risks.
At this stage, Villa had one fit centre-back and, as The Athletic reported following the collapsed move of Axel Disasi due to Chelsea’s loan demands, were prepared to wait until the summer to get the defensive target Emery wanted.
The final week of the window was frenetic and best-laid plans changed. The saga encompassing Disasi was indicative of the turbulence. He wanted to join Villa, but even towards the evening of the final day, Tottenham Hotspur were stepping up talks. Yet, three hours before the deadline, Villa restarted negotiations and ultimately struck.
Players were given a few days off as the deadline approached, but Villa’s training ground remained a hive of activity.
This is how the window unfolded…
Villa’s business was led by Monchi and Damian Vidagany, the president’s and director’ of football operations, relying on close contacts and players known to him and Emery. This, to a certain extent, was a product of an unpredictable market.
The power between the three is geared on Monchi and Vidagany, a key conduit with agents, facilitating Emery’s desires while offering suggestions for the manager to accept or reject. Having trusted contacts meant alternative targets could be sourced and sounded out swiftly.
As Villa hosted West Ham United in the FA Cup on January 10, Monchi was at Rayo Vallecano’s fixture against Celta Vigo, watching the right-backs of both teams. Villa had an interest in Rayo’s Andrei Ratiu and Celta Vigo’s Oscar Mingueza.
Villa prioritised signing a right-back and a versatile forward. Quickly, Borussia Dortmund’s Donyell Malen was Villa’s preference for the latter position, having been of interest in the previous two windows. Malen changed representation last September and was keen on the Midlands, with those close to the Dutch international noting how forwards like him have peaked under Emery.
An opening proposal worth around €18m (£14.9m, $18.6m) plus add-ons fell short of the German club’s valuation. Villa eventually paid €23m (£19.4m, $23.5m) plus €3m in add-ons.
Extra financial manoeuvering was permitted by the sale of Jaden Philogene to Ipswich Town, worth £20m plus £3m in add-ons. The intention had been to loan Philogene, who was keen for further game-time to regain momentum in his career, but a permanent transfer was eventually authorised.
Villa had to work their way through a right-back list. Flamengo’s Wesley Franca, Mingueza and Ratiu were among the options. Mingueza was the standout candidate, contributing two goals and five assists in La Liga this term and his ability to operate in central defence and left-back appealed. The exception was that he was expensive and around three times the amount Andres Garcia, the 21-year-old from Levante, would be.
Garcia, who signed for €7m (£5.91m; $7.2m), was regarded as a market opportunity and shares the same representatives as Pau Torres, who have a good relationship with Monchi and Emery. Having impressed in his first week of training, Emery was confident enough to start Garcia at Molineux at the weekend.
Garcia’s arrival meant another young right-back in Kosta Nedeljkovic could leave. He had interest from Valencia and Saint-Etienne, among other options, but signed for RB Leipzig until the end of the season. The German club state they have an option to buy Nedeljkovic in the summer.
Caen’s Tidiam Gomis was regarded in a similar bracket to Garcia. Midway through January, Villa felt they had made a breakthrough in signing the 18-year-old and an agreement was close, despite Leipzig’s interest.
Other Premier League sides were significant backers, with one scout at a lofty Premier League club telling The Athletic that his signing would be a significant coup. The France youth international was out of contract this summer and Villa were only required to pay a small fee. Unfortunately, finances and the complexities of an agreement — wrangling over clauses and payments — were arduous and Gomis joined RB Leipzig on deadline day.
Intentions to sign a central defender grew through January.
Villa were open to selling Diego Carlos over the past year, but a move away this winter felt unlikely given he was a regular in Emery’s side.
What could not be accounted for was Diego Carlos’ desire to leave. He had found Fenerbahce as a buyer and made it known he wanted to go. A week before a €10m (£8.4m/$10.5m) agreement was finalised, he said his goodbyes to staff and team-mates despite Villa rejecting the Turkish club’s opening proposal.
Although Villa received external criticism for allowing Diego Carlos to depart without sourcing a replacement, senior figures felt they could do little to keep him. Those frustrations were crystallised in the 2-0 away defeat at Wolverhampton Wanderers, with Boubacar Kamara, a key midfielder, moonlighting in central defence.
Difficulties with Diego Carlos were exacerbated by the pursuit of Loic Bade. He was a target of Monchi’s, having signed him at Sevilla in 2023. Villa made a series of offers, with the final bid worth €23m plus €3m in add-ons, which was thought to be around Sevilla’s asking price.
Bade, however, had doubts concerning game time and the presence of Ezri Konsa in the right centre-back position. Paris Saint-Germain’s Milan Skriniar was looked at briefly until his prohibitive salary became apparent.
Relying on a network of contacts was demonstrated in Villa’s interest in Juan Foyth. Emery worked with Foyth at Villarreal and has wanted to be reunited, citing his tactical intelligence and versatility. Foyth became aware of Villa’s advances, though no agreement was close. The defender’s injury record — missing 42 games across the previous two seasons — gave concern and by the final week of the window, there was no chance of his signing.
With time running out, Disasi came into view. The situation appeared pressing, with Tyrone Mings’ injury leaving Konsa as the only available centre-back. Villa offered to loan Disasi until the end of the season, having been given assurances that he was available and the 26-year-old was willing to join.
On February 2, discussions began to break down. Villa viewed Chelsea’s loan conditions as too expensive, with the loan fee plus coverage of a percentage of his salary dismissed. Villa felt being rivals for a Champions League spot with Chelsea made an arrangement harder to find.
Following the apparent failure to sign Disasi, Villa figures were open to the possibility of waiting until the summer to sign a centre-back, despite the lack of depth in the position. The club were adamant that a defensive recruit would only be signed if they could provide value to Emery.
Emery is highly specific in his targets and if Disasi went to Tottenham, he was prepared to be without a centre-back. He saw Disasi as an ideal fit as the right centre-back, with Konsa the middle defender in Villa’s build-up shape of a back three. With the France international remaining keen to move to the Midlands, Villa restarted talks late in the evening despite Tottenham being the favourites. There was a breakthrough; a £5m straight loan was agreed.
More broadly, Villa had been working on longer-term defensive targets. Yasin Ozcan, 18, has signed a four-and-a-half-year deal from Turkish side Kasimpasa, worth €7m upfront with a further €1m in possible add-ons. The Athletic understands a deal is completed, but Ozcan will stay at Kasimpasa until the end of the season.
Yeimar Mosquera was recalled from Spanish third-tier side Real Union, cutting short an initial season-long loan. The defender hopes to be part of the first team in pre-season, when he will be given an opportunity to impress.
Goalkeeper Robin Olsen had interest from Copenhagen, who were keen to bring him back after his first spell between 2016 and 2018. Villa, however, made it clear they would not countenance his departure, with Joe Gauci allowed to leave on loan for League One Barnsley.
Emery has been a long-term admirer of Joao Felix and believes — similarly to Rashford — that he can unlock his potential. With talks for Disasi based on a loan, it meant Villa would be required to sign Joao Felix permanently.
The Rashford pursuit progressed and Villa were closing on signing PSG’s Marco Asensio, lessening the need for the Portugal international. Villa still wanted him and did not stop trying until the penultimate day of the window, citing concerns over the fee.
Like Joao Felix, Asensio was a client of Jorge Mendes, the high-profile agent, who has worked with Monchi several times. Emery was again the overarching factor and he wanted Asensio, 29, should he become available. Villa agreed to cover Asensio’s full salary, signing him on loan until the end of the season.
Moves for the attacking trio were precipitated by Duran’s sale to Al Nassr. Duran had long-term admirers in Borussia Dortmund, Barcelona, PSG and West Ham United and although a summer exit was preferred, uncertainty endured.
For the right price, he was available and interested parties knew. After rejecting West Ham’s £57m offer, the stance lessened with Al Nassr’s €77m (£64.3m, $79.9m) bid the following week.
When Emery was preparing for the Champions League match against Celtic, Al Nassr were deciding whether to sign Victor Boniface from Bayer Leverkusen or Duran. Just as Morgan Rogers scored his and Villa’s second goal, The Athletic revealed Duran was set to undergo a medical the next day.
The substantial fee received for Duran will ease pressure on needing to sell key players, such as Kamara, in the summer.
While Villa would beat Celtic, senior figures were worried preparation would be affected by speculation. Emiliano Buendia confirmed his loan to Bayer Leverkusen three hours before kick-off and reports of an offer being turned down from Arsenal for Ollie Watkins gathered pace.
Senior sources, speaking to The Athletic, again on condition of anonymity to protect relationships, were deeply angered by the timing of the leak, believing it could have had an unsettling impact on the forward, who started that match, especially as they had rebuffed Arsenal’s interest, of around £40m, two days earlier. With less than a week left of the window, Watkins’ departure was unlikely, even though Emery refused to rule out the prospect initially.
Emery later spoke with Watkins, ensuring the striker was able to concentrate on staying at least until the summer.
Other possible and surprising exits failed to materialise. Manchester United had discussed Leon Bailey as an attacking option. Preliminary talks were held, which did not advance. Nonetheless, a departure to another club remained a remote possibility until the final day. Unless Bailey’s form improves, his future will be revisited at the end of the season.
Buendia had wanted to stay, but game time was an issue. Emery thought he would be better to leave, which would aid his recovery from a long-term injury and allow Villa to sign another attacker. Buendia signed a new contract before departing, giving Villa power to reintegrate him into the squad or maintain his value after a loan. Leverkusen have a €20m (£16.8m) option to buy this summer.
In the background, meanwhile, Villa were amenable to signing a striker of a similar age profile to Duran. Stefanos Tzimas, the 19-year-old that Brighton & Hove Albion eventually signed from Nuremberg, and Nice’s Evann Guessand, 23, were referenced by multiple close observers.
At the start of the month, The Athletic reported Villa were considering recalling Samuel Iling-Junior due to a lack of minutes at Bologna. He has gone to Middlesbrough on loan. It was the same case for Sil Swinkels, who joined Bristol Rovers — Villa have a good relationship with the League One side after sending Lamare Bogarde there last season — while Louie Barry went to Hull City in the Championship for similar reasons.
Barry signed a new contract before departing. Hull’s loan fee is favourable — thought to be in the high hundreds of thousands — with the relationship between the two sides strong after Philogene’s stay last season. Barry had enquiries from several Championship sides and in Scotland.
Bogarde’s importance was illuminated in January when Villa were lacking depth, owing to injuries and transfers. The 21-year-old had received interest from the top end of the Championship, but midfield injuries meant he was required to stay. Kadan Young, the 19-year-old forward who has made two senior appearances this season in the Carabao Cup, has moved to Belgium to join Antwerp for the rest of the season.
In the end, Villa settled on Disasi as the final acquisition. They wanted more and, at the start of the window, identified other targets. Regardless, they did not want to buy players who would not be an immediate upgrade to Emery, while moving on those who were not part of immediate plans. It drew the curtain on a turbulent, helter-skelter window that ended with high-profile arrivals and notable exits.
Post by: Tuscans on February 04, 2025, 01:21:26 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 04, 2025, 01:24:40 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi8Bj3TWkAA3qbK?format=png&name=medium)
Assuming that isn't showing net spend.
Post by: Tuscans on February 04, 2025, 01:30:27 PM
No, it's transfer spend only.(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi8Bj3TWkAA3qbK?format=png&name=medium)
Assuming that isn't showing net spend.
Post by: Rigadon on February 04, 2025, 01:35:10 PM
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aston-villa/transfers/verein/405/saison_id/2024
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2025, 01:47:46 PM
Could Emery get a tune out of Marcus Rashford?
You are truely a mystic.
This was great insight Drummond. Good to see these forecasting abilities and you made the magic happen!
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2025, 01:57:52 PM
Some of you will know that I volunteer in an orphanage for dying puppies. I was nursing one little fella at 10.59 last night, a Norwegian Shitting Hound (I'd never come across one before. Beautiful dogs, lovely yellow eyes, a delicate coat that seems to come away in your hands and a very hot nose). "I don't care what happens to me, just make sure this transfer window gets the best send-off you can manage. I've had a short life, but it's one transformed by the miracles of Mr Vidagny, peace be upon him. Tell the world my story. As long as the Disasi deal gets over the line. We can't leave ourselves short at the back." He seemed to say with his eyes.
This truly epochal transfer window is dedicated to that young dog (deceased).
Prayers for the little doggie. And all support well wishes
Post by: Monty on February 04, 2025, 02:00:32 PM
Some of you will know that I volunteer in an orphanage for dying puppies. I was nursing one little fella at 10.59 last night, a Norwegian Shitting Hound (I'd never come across one before. Beautiful dogs, lovely yellow eyes, a delicate coat that seems to come away in your hands and a very hot nose). "I don't care what happens to me, just make sure this transfer window gets the best send-off you can manage. I've had a short life, but it's one transformed by the miracles of Mr Vidagny, peace be upon him. Tell the world my story. As long as the Disasi deal gets over the line. We can't leave ourselves short at the back." He seemed to say with his eyes.
This truly epochal transfer window is dedicated to that young dog (deceased).
Couldn't possibly comment on the scurrilous rumours that puppy deceases have gone up 213% since SE started volunteering.
Post by: algy on February 04, 2025, 02:23:11 PM
Oh come on, it's obviously a complete fabrication. They're called Norweigan Schittinghunds, and I struggle to believe someone as well-travelled and supposedly knowledgable about dying puppies as SE would be unaware of that.Some of you will know that I volunteer in an orphanage for dying puppies. I was nursing one little fella at 10.59 last night, a Norwegian Shitting Hound (I'd never come across one before. Beautiful dogs, lovely yellow eyes, a delicate coat that seems to come away in your hands and a very hot nose). "I don't care what happens to me, just make sure this transfer window gets the best send-off you can manage. I've had a short life, but it's one transformed by the miracles of Mr Vidagny, peace be upon him. Tell the world my story. As long as the Disasi deal gets over the line. We can't leave ourselves short at the back." He seemed to say with his eyes.
This truly epochal transfer window is dedicated to that young dog (deceased).
Prayers for the little doggie. And all support well wishes
I hold a growing suspicion that he sometimes exaggerates the truth for comic effect. There, I've said it.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2025, 02:24:55 PM
"in the end, Villa settled on Disasi as the final acquisition. They wanted more and, at the start of the window, identified other targets. Regardless, they did not want to buy players who would not be an immediate upgrade to Emery, while moving on those who were not part of immediate plans. It drew the curtain on a turbulent, helter-skelter window that ended with high-profile arrivals and notable exits."
I think 5 signings was fantastic really especially with amounts made from sales.
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 02:59:41 PM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 04, 2025, 03:15:17 PM
Post by: supertom on February 04, 2025, 03:19:19 PM
If Rashford, Asensio and Malen can make and score a good wedge of goals and we start putting a few sides to the sword and putting the game beyond them before the usual point where we take our foot off the pedal and invite pressure and concede late goals.
Plus, if we're more potent and threatening in attack with better bench and rotational options, we'll naturally have a little less defending to do.
If we can then sort out the tendency to concede early (from an opponent's first shot on target usually) then we can finish strongly. I don't think we're all that far off it. It's those fine margins. Disasi's recovery speed will be useful potentially because we get hit behind our high line regularly.
We'd be really unlucky if none of them hit the ground running. I'd hope at least 2 of the 3 attacking players will.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 04, 2025, 03:23:25 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 04:38:54 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2025, 04:52:37 PM
Rogers has levelled Diaby's goals and half his assists just over half a season. So we replaced one but yes, still down on Doug's with Bailey and McGinn's levels both dropped as well.
Onana hasn't shown the necessary has he? Scored a couple of goals but generally has not shown anything spectacular and dominant of midfield.
Not just the transfer fee but the ability and positional play.
He doesn't out of possession well .
I would forecast if he doesn't start actually showing up he not going to be given many starts.
I'm very disappointed by him at the moment I need some convincing
Post by: Dick Edwards on February 04, 2025, 04:58:42 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2025, 05:12:34 PM
I'm glad he didn't come back to the premier representing for another team like Man city , Chelsea or Arsenal that would have annoyed me.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 04, 2025, 06:06:11 PM
Jacob seems remarkably well informed he’s my favourite Villa writer.
Mine too. He played to academy level (Bournemouth I think?) and also speaks really well on pods.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 04, 2025, 06:14:06 PM
Jacob seems remarkably well informed he’s my favourite Villa writer.
Mine too. He played to academy level (Bournemouth I think?) and also speaks really well on pods.
John Townley of the Mail seems a good bloke too, but is hard to listen to on podcasts. Struggles tpo string sentences together at times. But Tanswell is very good and comes across well.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2025, 06:53:09 PM
Covered pretty much everywhere..... but quality is probably lacking down our entire right side.
1) We desperately need a top drawer RB - A right sided version of Luca Digne or Maatsen is critical. Someone who can defend and doesn't give away silly fouls or penalties all the time, and doesn't get a nose bleed when they enter the attacking third.
2) Bailey was brilliant last season, but for whatever reason, be it form or injury issues, he's faltering a little so far. If there are funds available after snapping up a RB, competition for that right winger spot should be next on the list.
...and that's it. We don't need anyone else.
Good insight -great posting!
Your desires were met! And then some!
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2025, 06:55:02 PM
If we have any money to sign a player in January, then it must be a right back.Gracias Garcia as he can be known !
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2025, 06:56:55 PM
Why would we swap Duran for anybody?
Because of the financials and fitting Emery system.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2025, 06:58:36 PM
Fair play this looks like the call for Disasi without actually naming him!I’m increasingly a fan of Konsa at RB but I do think we should aim to upgrade. Percy’s stats are illuminating but I suspect the results are partly due to a more defensive formation and also because Konsa replaces Cash rather than the excellence of Carlos.
Buying Konsa II should be a priority.
I think Pau needs a powerful dominant partner alongside him. A right-footed Mings, or indeed Mings himself if he could play there. Konsa and Pau are porous. And you’re right, Carlos and Pau undoubtedly benefit from Konsa at right-back instead of Cash.
Must there be some good insight at times on posts here and what was needed and expected to be signed this window
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 04, 2025, 07:04:56 PM
We are desperate for a right winger. We haven't replaced Diaby and have nobody that can compete with Bailey, who is having a poor season thus far.Very accurate !
A right back would also be nice, but given the rules in place to protect the Sky 6, I'm not sure we are in a position to sign one top player, never mind two.
Got a few in now so I think We’re gonna be ok!
Post by: Beard82 on February 04, 2025, 08:24:15 PM
I don't know what Motta problem is with Luiz.I love when your angry!
I'm glad he didn't come back to the premier representing for another team like Man city , Chelsea or Arsenal that would have annoyed me.
Post by: LeonW on February 04, 2025, 09:41:05 PM
Major outgoing in Duran, plenty of loans out and some big 'names' in.
Philogean was good business in that we got him back relatively cheaply with the sell on clause and sold him for a profit probably not justified by his performances, Emery having assessed that he was not currently up to it after 6 months. Malen has shown some very good moments at Dortmund, but this season he's dropped off leading to his arrival. But he's an established Dutch international and definitely an upgrade on Philogean with the potential to really see a good return on our investment. So credit all round on this one.
We've got pretty good at loans out for our youngsters and I suspect this is the case again for the majority. Ned is a strange one; out to Leipzig with an option to buy for what we bought him for, plus a bit more. Perhaps having looked at him for a year, Emery felt he wasn't up to it, either immediately and/or in the future. He's been replaced similarly by the new lad Garcia for in and around the same amount from the Spanish second division. Neither he nor Ned would be immediately better than Cash. So right back is a long standing area of improvement we've not addressed in two transfer windows now. Konsa at right back is not the solution, so not good here.
Carlos, I think has never been good enough and was on a huge wage. Getting him out for close to 9m was reasonable to cover the amortized value of his remaining contract. Doing so without an immediate replacement, not good, despite his desire to leave. Diassi very much TBC, despite EPL experience. Will likely see Konsa at right back in some of the bigger games. Probably a like for like here, with the potential for Diassi to exceed expectations during his loan.
Bunedia / Asensio. Clearly in terms of ability, it's not a debate in that Asensio is a much higher calibre of player than Bunedia. However, he is another who has dropped off; at PSG in the French farmers league and so again, very much TBC. Meanwhile, Buendia (with EPL experience) we were starting to get up to speed and then only loaned him with no obligation to buy to Leverkusen. If he ends up doing an El Ghazi and doesn't play, his value for a future sale diminishes further rather than not being so involved at Villa. As Emery has really wanted Asensio for a while and he can play in both Buendia and Bailey's position, probably more on the good side but still very much a qualified one.
Duran / Rashford. Probably the biggest debate; both players with immense talent, both having had their moments of not dedicating themselves totally to the club paying their wages. Both with questionable tracking back qualities. The club must have made the ultimate decision that pulling the trigger now whilst Duran was relatively hot and having little loyalty to the club was the better option when money was on the table and he wouldn't immediately return to haunt us. Replacing him with a loan option of the calibre and proven previous track record of Rashford 'looks' to be an improvement and speaks to our standing now to have been able to do so. But, Duran was a hothead who delivered the unexpected and had a great goals to game ration. Plus, was still a player on the up. Rashford has to be considered a 'name' in that he's had his baggage and hasn't performed for the last 2 years. More to the point, he looks to have downed tools at points. It's a great opportunity for him to prove the doubters wrong with less background noise, with the added carrots of playing champions league football and getting back into the England squad. Everyone's credibility on this decision is on the table here; Rashford's to achieve in a stable environment under an elite manager, for denigrating him and getting rid without an alternative and Emery for going with Rashford as a viable Duran alternative whilst we're in the knock out stages of the champions league for the first time in 40 odd years, still in contention for qualifying again this season. Replacing a player who is our top scorer in the champions league and was amongst the goals in the EPL is Rashford's (and Villa's) challenge. If Rashford fails to match Duran's output (because that's what he's here for), it's an expensive flop but only a short term one in that it's a loan. If we spend the money well that we got from the Duran sale in the summer, it gives us a bigger array of options and we can at least avert a potential big name sale in the summer. But it may be at the cost of having no European football to offer, so this is very much rolling the dice.
In conclusion; I think this winter transfer window could end up being a pivotal moment in the Emery period. Hopefully we're more right than wrong here.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 04, 2025, 11:16:37 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 11:23:15 PM
Marcus Rashford:
> Villa fans, rejoice! Marcus Rashford has arrived! The England international brings pace, skill, and a proven goal-scoring record to Villa Park. A real statement signing, this. Can he fire Villa to new heights? Expect fireworks!
>
Marco Asensio:
> Another HUGE signing for Villa! Marco Asensio, Champions League winner, joins on loan from PSG. This guy oozes class. Expect creativity, vision, and goals. Villa's attack just got a serious upgrade.
>
Axel Disasi:
> Villa's defense gets a boost with the arrival of Axel Disasi. A strong and commanding center-back, Disasi is a rock at the back. Expect solidity, leadership, and clean sheets. Villa mean business!
>
Donyell Malen:
> Goals, goals, goals! Donyell Malen is a goal-scoring machine. Pace, power, and clinical finishing. Expect the net to bulge at Villa Park. This guy is a real threat.
>
Andres Garcia:
> A young and promising talent, Andres Garcia joins Villa. Expect potential, flair, and excitement. This guy is one for the future. Remember the name!
>
Would you like more information on any of these signings?
Post by: olaftab on February 04, 2025, 11:29:43 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2025, 11:32:09 PM
Marcus Rashford:
> Rashford to Villa? Big name, sure. But is he worth the price tag? Inconsistent form lately. Will he rediscover his best at Villa Park, or will he be another expensive flop? Questions abound.
>
Marco Asensio:
> Asensio on loan? A gamble. Hasn't been a regular starter recently. Injury prone. Is he really the answer to Villa's creative woes, or just a short-term fix? Time will tell.
>
Axel Disasi:
> Disasi strengthens the defense? Maybe. But he's unproven in the Premier League. Can he handle the physicality? Villa fans will be hoping he's not another defensive liability.
>
Donyell Malen:
> Malen, the goal machine? Let's hope so. He's had hot streaks, but also long periods of drought. Can he deliver consistently in the Premier League? A big question mark.
>
Andres Garcia:
> Another young prospect? Villa seem to be collecting them. Garcia might be one for the future, but will he make an impact now? Don't expect him to set the world on fire just yet.
>
Would you like me to elaborate on any of these points?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 04, 2025, 11:43:56 PM
Some (French) people have way too much time on their hands.
Post by: olaftab on February 05, 2025, 09:19:42 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 05, 2025, 09:38:12 AM
Post by: SamTheMouse on February 05, 2025, 09:41:38 AM
Some (French) people have way too much time on their hands.
Not just some. Why do you think I came here?
Post by: OCD on February 05, 2025, 11:10:41 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 05, 2025, 11:11:33 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 05, 2025, 03:13:57 PM
Over to you, Unai.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2025, 03:54:46 PM
I feel for Fabrizio Romano today. This is when the sweating and real fear kicks in after a long, intense one.
I unfollow him the minute the window SLAMS SHUT. Because after that he focuses on every movement at Chelsea and Man U. It must be quite lonely and dark right now for him.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 05, 2025, 04:34:19 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2025, 06:08:00 PM
That's a bit part-time, TV. We can still sign free agents. You're going to be absolutely seething if we finally pounce for Benni McCarthy and KippaxVilla starts the thread before you. 😕
Kippax brought home Disasi in the nick of time. He's the man for this. I jinxed Bade with my eagerness to sign a CB.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 05, 2025, 06:36:22 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 05, 2025, 07:28:12 PM
I had, genuinely, already forgotten Bade. Maybe we'll go back for him some sunny day.
we are going to announce a double signing with Felix.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 05, 2025, 07:41:51 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 05, 2025, 07:46:44 PM
I think we should start the Felix thread now in time for the summer.
Hopefully TV starts it.
Post by: Drummond on February 05, 2025, 08:03:52 PM
I think we should start the Felix thread now in time for the summer.
Hopefully TV starts it.
Well he'd best get on with it before FootyVill starts asking when it's starting.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 06, 2025, 09:46:29 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 06, 2025, 09:49:11 PM
Did the Turkish CB, Yasmin Ozcan definitely sign for us? sign I don’t recall seeing anything official and his wiki only mentions his original club.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-completed-another-transfer-30930018
Yes.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 06, 2025, 09:49:59 PM
Did the Turkish CB, Yasmin Ozcan definitely sign for us? sign I don’t recall seeing anything official and his wiki only mentions his original club.
Can’t find out until June 👀😃
Post by: paul_e on February 06, 2025, 09:51:27 PM
Did the Turkish CB, Yasmin Ozcan definitely sign for us? sign I don’t recall seeing anything official and his wiki only mentions his original club.
I don't think so, but I saw something that he's joining in the summer instead, but I can't find where I read it.
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 06, 2025, 09:59:18 PM
Loaned back to Kasimpasa until the summer.Did the Turkish CB, Yasmin Ozcan definitely sign for us? sign I don’t recall seeing anything official and his wiki only mentions his original club.
I don't think so, but I saw something that he's joining in the summer instead, but I can't find where I read it.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 06, 2025, 10:28:15 PM
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 06, 2025, 10:29:43 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 06, 2025, 10:32:29 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 06, 2025, 10:34:36 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 06, 2025, 10:39:08 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/january/22/villa-announce-nedeljkovi--signing/
Post by: AV84 on February 06, 2025, 11:02:21 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 06, 2025, 11:03:46 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on February 06, 2025, 11:07:16 PM
Well then yeah, odd there's nothing official about the Turkish lad.
Head Dave mentioned the signing in his latest article. That’s about as official as official can be.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 06, 2025, 11:23:03 PM
I think it might be what CD states, a deal to buy but lets put it into next season budget rather then this one.
That was my thought too. Wasn't he over here and at the Everton game before the Duran sale, so it may have been advantageous to book his transfer on July 1. As he was going back to his cub in Turkey we didn't need to make it official in this window.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 07, 2025, 09:10:43 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2025, 10:03:03 AM
He was definitely here for a game, can't remember if it was Everton.
He was at Everton away, sitting in front of Malen and sporting a Villa cap.
Post by: olaftab on February 07, 2025, 11:53:57 AM
As for other signings, happy about Malen, Disasi and Garcia.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 07, 2025, 12:14:11 PM
somehow it's all about raising the brand profile rather than pure football.
I know what you mean, there is definitely brand profile in the mix somewhere, that's football unfortunately, but I do think that we're clearly at a key point in our recent history - last 16 of the Champions League, some time till the next round we have to play, January transfer window, suffering from injuries and looking tired and inconsistent in the PL, and to take the most from the rest of the season, we had to do something to improve.
As it is hard anyway to sign anyone permanently in January, and what with PSR, loans were the obvious way out from that, and there wouldn't really be much point loaning in potential - we need players who could seriously contribute between now and May.
So whilst I am very doubtful about Rashford, I am very hopeful about Asensio (and the fact we tried to sign him in the summer shows at least continuity of thought), and think we've done the right thing to really exploit where we currently find ourselves.
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2025, 12:20:17 PM
somehow it's all about raising the brand profile rather than pure football.
I know what you mean, there is definitely brand profile in the mix somewhere, that's football unfortunately, but I do think that we're clearly at a key point in our recent history - last 16 of the Champions League, some time till the next round we have to play, January transfer window, suffering from injuries and looking tired and inconsistent in the PL, and to take the most from the rest of the season, we had to do something to improve.
As it is hard anyway to sign anyone permanently in January, and what with PSR, loans were the obvious way out from that, and there wouldn't really be much point loaning in potential - we need players who could seriously contribute between now and May.
So whilst I am very doubtful about Rashford, I am very hopeful about Asensio (and the fact we tried to sign him in the summer shows at least continuity of thought), and think we've done the right thing to really exploit where we currently find ourselves.
I absolutely agree with this, and I think it's something I and others I'm sure are particularly sensitive to as Villa fans as it's always seemed that when opportunities have presented themselves we've bottled acting like a big club.
It may not work but it's nice to actually try.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2025, 12:42:27 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2025, 12:44:34 PM
somehow it's all about raising the brand profile rather than pure football.
I know what you mean, there is definitely brand profile in the mix somewhere, that's football unfortunately, but I do think that we're clearly at a key point in our recent history - last 16 of the Champions League, some time till the next round we have to play, January transfer window, suffering from injuries and looking tired and inconsistent in the PL, and to take the most from the rest of the season, we had to do something to improve.
As it is hard anyway to sign anyone permanently in January, and what with PSR, loans were the obvious way out from that, and there wouldn't really be much point loaning in potential - we need players who could seriously contribute between now and May.
So whilst I am very doubtful about Rashford, I am very hopeful about Asensio (and the fact we tried to sign him in the summer shows at least continuity of thought), and think we've done the right thing to really exploit where we currently find ourselves.
Wise words from wise men.
Post by: paul_e on February 07, 2025, 12:44:56 PM
I’d rather shop from this shelf in the transfer supermarket than where we have been. I think we did the right thing in January by cashing in on Duran and reinforcing key areas without making a massive permanent commitment. And if the two big wage earners work out, then we can negotiate with them in the summer on deals that work with our financial position. Rashford has by PL standards a low purchase price and by all accounts PSG want Asensio gone. He’ll have a year left on his contract I think so it won’t be a big price. Disasi will be interesting as Chelsea spent quite a bit on him. So hopefully if he plays well he’s a player we will secure for a decent price if other options we pursued aren’t available.
At a guess, and assuming they all do ok:
If we make the champions league we'll take the option on Rashford.
We'll try to extend the loan for Asensio for next season.
We won't look at keeping Disasi and will instead work on other long-term options.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2025, 12:50:22 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 07, 2025, 12:57:09 PM
Emery loves Rashford so I can see him trying to keep him long term whether we make the CL or not as long as they can work out the finances.
First, let's see how he gets on.
Post by: paul_e on February 07, 2025, 12:58:46 PM
Emery loves Rashford so I can see him trying to keep him long term whether we make the CL or not as long as they can work out the finances.
I agree but I think the finances would be very difficult, which is why I think he only stays if we can guarantee another big stack of European cash.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 07, 2025, 01:00:16 PM
Emery loves Rashford so I can see him trying to keep him long term whether we make the CL or not as long as they can work out the finances.
First, let's see how he gets on.
Isn’t that obvious? If he’s shit I don’t think the club will commit to the player long term.
Post by: Matt C on February 08, 2025, 11:48:23 PM
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Post by: OCD on February 09, 2025, 12:16:09 PM
Knowing our luck at least one will get injured in the first three games. But at least we've gone for players to make an immediate difference.
We'll never forget Luc Nilis.
Post by: Mellin on February 09, 2025, 12:23:48 PM
Purest Bergkamp that. You can see on the last replay that little touch with the right is intentional too. Would definitely have liked to have seen more of that.
Post by: LeeB on February 09, 2025, 12:41:08 PM
https://www.google.com/search?q=luc+nilis+goal+vs+chelsea&oq=luc+nilis+vs+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCAgBEAAYFhgeMgYIABBFGDkyCAgBEAAYFhgeMggIAhAAGBYYHjINCAMQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAQQABiGAxiABBiKBTIHCAUQABjvBTIKCAYQABiABBiiBDIHCAcQABjvBTIHCAgQABjvBdIBCDk5NDFqMGo3qAIUsAIB8QVOWf5Q6QWgcvEFTln-UOkFoHI&client=ms-android-h3g-gb-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:0d89bb6c,vid:v7Q1hFoSg2c,st:0
Purest Bergkamp that. You can see on the last replay that little touch with the right is intentional too. Would definitely have liked to have seen more of that.
Typical Villa, we pick up a class player in the twilight of his career with the question of if he's still got it and can he adapt.
That gets answered unequivocally, only for him to get a freak career ender from that gormless twat in the Ipswich goal.
Post by: Mellin on February 09, 2025, 01:18:17 PM
I really, really liked Nilis. Think he'd have been excellent.
Post by: LeeB on February 09, 2025, 02:00:18 PM
"Ronaldo occasionally names Nilis as one of the best strike partners he had played with, despite sharing only a brief time with him at PSV.[23] Ruud van Nistelrooy has also stated on several occasions that the Belgian was one of the best players, if not the best, he had ever played with"
Post by: Dave on February 09, 2025, 02:15:20 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 09, 2025, 02:19:56 PM
His YouTube highlights reel is still the one that anyone else's should be judged against. It's truly brilliant.
Goal vs Chelsea at 3.02
Outstanding career of goals and magnificent dead ball specialist
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 09, 2025, 02:31:57 PM
Post by: OCD on February 09, 2025, 02:39:45 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 09, 2025, 11:31:37 PM
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Manchester United and Aston Villa were both ready to offer 70m euros (£58.3m) for Barcelona's Fermin Lopez in January, but the 21-year-old Spain forward was not interested in a move.
Post by: AV84 on February 09, 2025, 11:45:56 PM
If Rashford is amazing for us, and we decide we want to buy him for the agreed price, do we still have to negotiate with him, or has that part been done already too?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 09, 2025, 11:59:57 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on February 10, 2025, 10:06:11 AM
Malen
Garcia
Asensio
Rashford
Disasi
At the same time moved on some players who (if truth be told) weren't good enough and netted around £60m to help with PSR
We've yet to see Disasi, but based on the appearances thus far by Malen and Garcia, I think we can be confident that they're going to improve the quality and depth of the squad.
Malen did a great job last night of leading the line in the absence of Ollie and Garcia was composed and assured in a (very) makeshift back 4. Their presence means that we can give Watkins and Cash time to fully recover instead of having to bring them back early - thereby risking further injuries.
Rashford and Asensio oozed class and top level quality in the half hours they played. How much better will they be with a few more weeks of coaching from Unai?
IF Disasi can make an equally positive addition to the squad, then imo this has the potential to be one of our best transfer windows ever.
Post by: Smithy on February 10, 2025, 10:18:54 AM
Not sure anyone will know the answer to this, but I'll ask anyway. When a club takes a player on loan, and agrees a buy option, are the players terms agreed at the same time?
If Rashford is amazing for us, and we decide we want to buy him for the agreed price, do we still have to negotiate with him, or has that part been done already too?
Short answer - it depends. Sometimes it's negotiated in advance, sometimes not. I will be VERY surprised if we've agreed terms with Rashford should we want him at the end of his loan. I suspect he'll have a lot of options, so it would be quite naive for him to have something agreed already.
When we brought Archer back from Sheff Utd, those wages were all agreed with Archer in the event we triggered the buy-back, but it's unusual.
My guess is we've got our fee agreed with Man Utd, which is great, but that they're under no obligation to turn down other offers, so if the loan goes well, we'll have to make an offer to Marcus that makes him want to stay with us.
I've said it before, but I think there is a sweet spot for his loan with us where he does well enough that we want him permanently, but not SO well that he's suddenly in demand across the continent. Because if the likes of Barcelona do come calling, and they can find the money to buy him, he's unlikely to choose B6 ahead of that opportunity, unfortunately.
Post by: LeeB on February 10, 2025, 10:27:54 AM
I'm not saying that will be the case but I think it will be a factor, he's had such a shit time of it he may just want to stay where he's happy.
Post by: OCD on February 10, 2025, 11:04:30 AM
Post by: AV84 on February 10, 2025, 11:40:10 AM
Depends too, I suppose, on what our plans are for Watkins, Asensio, and any new signings. He's presumably going to be OK with playing a supporting role for the rest of this season, but beyond that, probably not.
Post by: Dave on February 10, 2025, 12:15:56 PM
Not sure anyone will know the answer to this, but I'll ask anyway. When a club takes a player on loan, and agrees a buy option, are the players terms agreed at the same time?
If Rashford is amazing for us, and we decide we want to buy him for the agreed price, do we still have to negotiate with him, or has that part been done already too?
Short answer - it depends. Sometimes it's negotiated in advance, sometimes not. I will be VERY surprised if we've agreed terms with Rashford should we want him at the end of his loan. I suspect he'll have a lot of options, so it would be quite naive for him to have something agreed already.
When we brought Archer back from Sheff Utd, those wages were all agreed with Archer in the event we triggered the buy-back, but it's unusual.
My guess is we've got our fee agreed with Man Utd, which is great, but that they're under no obligation to turn down other offers, so if the loan goes well, we'll have to make an offer to Marcus that makes him want to stay with us.
Obviously it's hard to tell without knowing what's in the contract, but my gut-feeling is that there is more already agreed than this.
Take the £40m "option" that we have. I'm pretty sure that if we want Rashford to join and he wants to join us, he will, for £40m regardless of what other teams want to do. Otherwise we don't have an option to buy him, we've got an opportunity to enter the market and negotiate a fee for a player available for transfer.
And to even put that option in place, we need to have had a pretty good idea of what terms Rashford would be signing with us and that his future Villa contract was acceptable to both him and the club. There would be no point agreeing that £40m option if we have no idea what Rashford would want in order to sign. If we said we wanted to take up the option, and he then said "I want my Man Utd contract paying up in full and for Villa to then pay me £1m per week", then once again, we don't really have an option to buy him.
I wouldn't be surprised if (as I think paul_e mooted), Villa / Man Utd / Rashford have all agreed and signed something along the lines of "if Villa are in the 25/26 Champions League, then Rashford is joining Villa on a contract that looks like this. If Villa are not in the 25/26 Champions League then Marcus doesn't want to go and Villa can't afford him anyway, so it's back to Old Trafford he goes".
Post by: Somniloquism on February 10, 2025, 12:45:14 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 10, 2025, 12:48:21 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 10, 2025, 12:49:58 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 10, 2025, 12:55:58 PM
Someone on here suggested that Rashford’s £325k/week wages were based on Man U qualifying for the champions league and his secured actual wage was a lot less. Given where Man U are this season then he’d know that he’ll be on the lesser salary next season so dropping down to Villa’s wages might not be such a large jump.
I don't think so. Ratty was bemoaning that most of the big wages at Manure where all paid regardless of performance based uplifts unlike at Citeh and wanting to change that going forward. Obviously that could only happen when new contracts are signed.
Post by: Smithy on February 10, 2025, 01:27:09 PM
Not sure anyone will know the answer to this, but I'll ask anyway. When a club takes a player on loan, and agrees a buy option, are the players terms agreed at the same time?
If Rashford is amazing for us, and we decide we want to buy him for the agreed price, do we still have to negotiate with him, or has that part been done already too?
Short answer - it depends. Sometimes it's negotiated in advance, sometimes not. I will be VERY surprised if we've agreed terms with Rashford should we want him at the end of his loan. I suspect he'll have a lot of options, so it would be quite naive for him to have something agreed already.
When we brought Archer back from Sheff Utd, those wages were all agreed with Archer in the event we triggered the buy-back, but it's unusual.
My guess is we've got our fee agreed with Man Utd, which is great, but that they're under no obligation to turn down other offers, so if the loan goes well, we'll have to make an offer to Marcus that makes him want to stay with us.
Obviously it's hard to tell without knowing what's in the contract, but my gut-feeling is that there is more already agreed than this.
Take the £40m "option" that we have. I'm pretty sure that if we want Rashford to join and he wants to join us, he will, for £40m regardless of what other teams want to do. Otherwise we don't have an option to buy him, we've got an opportunity to enter the market and negotiate a fee for a player available for transfer.
And to even put that option in place, we need to have had a pretty good idea of what terms Rashford would be signing with us and that his future Villa contract was acceptable to both him and the club. There would be no point agreeing that £40m option if we have no idea what Rashford would want in order to sign. If we said we wanted to take up the option, and he then said "I want my Man Utd contract paying up in full and for Villa to then pay me £1m per week", then once again, we don't really have an option to buy him.
I wouldn't be surprised if (as I think paul_e mooted), Villa / Man Utd / Rashford have all agreed and signed something along the lines of "if Villa are in the 25/26 Champions League, then Rashford is joining Villa on a contract that looks like this. If Villa are not in the 25/26 Champions League then Marcus doesn't want to go and Villa can't afford him anyway, so it's back to Old Trafford he goes".
I hope you're right, but I would be genuinely surprised if Rashford has agreed to sign for us permanently, with wages agreed, should certain milestones (like champions league qualification) be reached. That's a LOT of negotiating to do in a very short space of time at the end of the January window. It's relatively easy for an unhappy player to make a 5-month commitment, but it's much more difficult to make a 5 year one. Especially a player who KNOWS he will have options.
Given the interest he's had from abroad (I'm thinking Barcelona specifically), I just don't see him agreeing to something that means he could be here for 4/5 years BEFORE he's even kicked a ball for us or spent any time being coached by Unai.
My guess is that all we've agreed on is the fee, and Man Utd HAVE to accept our £40m bid (if we make one), but everything else is up for grabs.
I hope that come the end of May we're all united in our desire to see the club do whatever it can to keep him.
Post by: Dave on February 10, 2025, 01:35:21 PM
But at the very least we must have an idea, in a world where we are opting to hand Man Utd £40m, we're doing so with the prior knowledge of what the player would want in those circumstances and that it's acceptable to us.
Post by: algy on February 10, 2025, 01:55:04 PM
I'd imagine the trust lies somewhere between the two.Not sure anyone will know the answer to this, but I'll ask anyway. When a club takes a player on loan, and agrees a buy option, are the players terms agreed at the same time?
If Rashford is amazing for us, and we decide we want to buy him for the agreed price, do we still have to negotiate with him, or has that part been done already too?
Short answer - it depends. Sometimes it's negotiated in advance, sometimes not. I will be VERY surprised if we've agreed terms with Rashford should we want him at the end of his loan. I suspect he'll have a lot of options, so it would be quite naive for him to have something agreed already.
When we brought Archer back from Sheff Utd, those wages were all agreed with Archer in the event we triggered the buy-back, but it's unusual.
My guess is we've got our fee agreed with Man Utd, which is great, but that they're under no obligation to turn down other offers, so if the loan goes well, we'll have to make an offer to Marcus that makes him want to stay with us.
Obviously it's hard to tell without knowing what's in the contract, but my gut-feeling is that there is more already agreed than this.
Take the £40m "option" that we have. I'm pretty sure that if we want Rashford to join and he wants to join us, he will, for £40m regardless of what other teams want to do. Otherwise we don't have an option to buy him, we've got an opportunity to enter the market and negotiate a fee for a player available for transfer.
And to even put that option in place, we need to have had a pretty good idea of what terms Rashford would be signing with us and that his future Villa contract was acceptable to both him and the club. There would be no point agreeing that £40m option if we have no idea what Rashford would want in order to sign. If we said we wanted to take up the option, and he then said "I want my Man Utd contract paying up in full and for Villa to then pay me £1m per week", then once again, we don't really have an option to buy him.
I wouldn't be surprised if (as I think paul_e mooted), Villa / Man Utd / Rashford have all agreed and signed something along the lines of "if Villa are in the 25/26 Champions League, then Rashford is joining Villa on a contract that looks like this. If Villa are not in the 25/26 Champions League then Marcus doesn't want to go and Villa can't afford him anyway, so it's back to Old Trafford he goes".
I hope you're right, but I would be genuinely surprised if Rashford has agreed to sign for us permanently, with wages agreed, should certain milestones (like champions league qualification) be reached. That's a LOT of negotiating to do in a very short space of time at the end of the January window. It's relatively easy for an unhappy player to make a 5-month commitment, but it's much more difficult to make a 5 year one. Especially a player who KNOWS he will have options.
Given the interest he's had from abroad (I'm thinking Barcelona specifically), I just don't see him agreeing to something that means he could be here for 4/5 years BEFORE he's even kicked a ball for us or spent any time being coached by Unai.
My guess is that all we've agreed on is the fee, and Man Utd HAVE to accept our £40m bid (if we make one), but everything else is up for grabs.
I hope that come the end of May we're all united in our desire to see the club do whatever it can to keep him.
We didn't need to sort out the specifics of the Rashford deal before the deadline, as we've go a good 4-5 months to bash out those figures. However, my guess is that we will have known that the player was open to a permanent move, and probably had some kind of ballpark figures to work off in terms of wages. My guess is that - whilst it's not a done deal - the expectation from all parties is that there's a good chance that we will sign him in the summer, and we've already the £40m fee. (EDIT: which is basically what Dave's written)
I suspected when he'd signed on loan that he'd thrive at a club like ours, and that 30mins against Spurs has done nothing but strengthen that view. I think he's a perfect player for us - a clear step up from some of the players we started the window with, and fits perfectly in to the way we play.
Asensio was the surprise for me. I'd had him down as a bit of a Zaniolo-type signing, where he'd be alright but be gone and mostly forgotten come the end of the season. But my word, he's a player and a half. If he can keep that up, we are going to look bloody scary in attack. Him, Rogers, and Rashford are going to have an absolute field day.
Liked that Andres Garcia chap. Kind of player that back in the day Coventry would've signed for £250k and then 12 months later sold to us for £8m. Real bargain.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 10, 2025, 02:21:27 PM
Yes, all those points are sound. And I'm 100% certain that there's nothing agreed that Rashford couldn't walk away from if he thought it was in his best interest to do so.Agree, the option is to all intents and purpose a done deal, the 40million fee will to some extent be paying off his contract and the balance they keep as profit, his renumeration package with us would reflect this.
But at the very least we must have an idea, in a world where we are opting to hand Man Utd £40m, we're doing so with the prior knowledge of what the player would want in those circumstances and that it's acceptable to us.
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2025, 03:34:05 PM
Yes, all those points are sound. And I'm 100% certain that there's nothing agreed that Rashford couldn't walk away from if he thought it was in his best interest to do so.Agree, the option is to all intents and purpose a done deal, the 40million fee will to some extent be paying off his contract and the balance they keep as profit, his renumeration package with us would reflect this.
But at the very least we must have an idea, in a world where we are opting to hand Man Utd £40m, we're doing so with the prior knowledge of what the player would want in those circumstances and that it's acceptable to us.
Yep, that's my thinking as well. Whatever else he might be Rashford isn't dumb. He knows that no one is going to give him the same deal as he has now so I'd be surprised if the conversation of "if we make the CL and you meet these targets and MU pay you £xm to settle the contract then we'll be looking for something like £xm as the package to stay here".
It doesn't have to have been agreed but I just don't see anyone signing off on the option without that having happened because, as Dave says, the option is completely worthless without it.
Post by: AV84 on February 10, 2025, 05:50:31 PM
Post by: Holy Trinity on February 10, 2025, 06:54:12 PM
Edit saying it out loud 3.5 years doesn't seem right unless it was the loan plus 3 years.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 10, 2025, 07:09:00 PM
Yes, all those points are sound. And I'm 100% certain that there's nothing agreed that Rashford couldn't walk away from if he thought it was in his best interest to do so.
But at the very least we must have an idea, in a world where we are opting to hand Man Utd £40m, we're doing so with the prior knowledge of what the player would want in those circumstances and that it's acceptable to us.
I read in regard to a couple of loans recently that the clubs agreed salaries with the players in the event of the move turning permanent before the loan itself. Might not always be the case though.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 10, 2025, 08:15:13 PM
QuoteManchester United and Aston Villa were both ready to offer 70m euros (£58.3m) for Barcelona's Fermin Lopez in January, but the 21-year-old Spain forward was not interested in a move.
Barça thought it was highly likely that Villa's and Yanited's interest was indeed real, but they couldn't find any conclusive evidence of a bid having been made. Their executives refer to it as the Fermin paradox.
Post by: VillaTim on February 10, 2025, 08:17:11 PM
Post by: Mister E on February 10, 2025, 08:25:36 PM
Barca's execs have got their heads in the stars.Barça thought it was highly likely that Villa's and Yanited's interest was indeed real, but they couldn't find any conclusive evidence of a bid having been made. Their executives refer to it as the Fermin paradox.QuoteManchester United and Aston Villa were both ready to offer 70m euros (£58.3m) for Barcelona's Fermin Lopez in January, but the 21-year-old Spain forward was not interested in a move.
Post by: Gareth on February 11, 2025, 04:17:42 PM
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Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 11, 2025, 05:25:29 PM
In terms of Rashfords loan we should have learnt from the Coutinho deal to just let this 3/4 months play out and Unai & co get a handle on his personality before panicking to do a deal. If he does well and we get him great, if he does well and we get outbid so be it, we’ll have had the short term boost this season and we move on to others.
I think the loan is and will be great but even if it’s successful I’d have reservations about making it permanent. Bit silly on my part but the shadow of Coutinho looms large and not convinced he was in our radar for long.
Post by: Gareth on February 11, 2025, 06:12:49 PM
In terms of Rashfords loan we should have learnt from the Coutinho deal to just let this 3/4 months play out and Unai & co get a handle on his personality before panicking to do a deal. If he does well and we get him great, if he does well and we get outbid so be it, we’ll have had the short term boost this season and we move on to others.
I think the loan is and will be great but even if it’s successful I’d have reservations about making it permanent. Bit silly on my part but the shadow of Coutinho looms large and not convinced he was in our radar for long.
I have faith that Unai wouldn’t sanction a deal like that …Gerrard & Purslow were done up like a pair of kippers giving out a deal of that length and value
Post by: Somniloquism on February 11, 2025, 06:50:03 PM
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 11, 2025, 07:31:41 PM
Found it, it was actually eight touches, I'm doing him a disservice.
Like a shit, fat Haaland.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 11, 2025, 07:46:02 PM
Also if you factor that we may not have CL next season it makes it literally impossible with the current financial rules in place.
Post by: Smithy on February 11, 2025, 08:35:56 PM
QuoteManchester United and Aston Villa were both ready to offer 70m euros (£58.3m) for Barcelona's Fermin Lopez in January, but the 21-year-old Spain forward was not interested in a move.
Barça thought it was highly likely that Villa's and Yanited's interest was indeed real, but they couldn't find any conclusive evidence of a bid having been made. Their executives refer to it as the Fermin paradox.
Right. So we can do a handful of pages on Carry On films, but we get one decent physics gag and nothing?
Well, I liked it!
Post by: Holy Trinity on February 11, 2025, 09:21:48 PM
Post by: algy on February 11, 2025, 09:54:48 PM
(I have to admit BV’s joke flew over my head until I googled it just then. But just cos I’m the Kortney Hause of posters doesn’t mean you lot get to slack off)
Post by: Beard82 on February 11, 2025, 10:04:31 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 11, 2025, 10:12:08 PM
That was a highly impressive joke.
It needed more tits in it.
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 12, 2025, 01:24:20 AM
I'll get me coat...
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 12, 2025, 09:35:12 AM
Aston Villa and Arsenal have expressed an interest in signing Olympiakos' 17-year-old forward Charalampos Kostoulas and 18-year-old midfielder Christos Mouzakitis.
Ive heard these two have real potential and could be top players . Midfielder Mouzakitis is like Adam Wharton of Palace , left footed midfielder , would play left side of a double pivot , great passer . Kostoulas would suit Villas system , very Morgan Rogers , very strong , attacking midfielder and second striker , looks good , proper profile for Villa.
Do like these kind of interests , young and lots of potential.
Not sure about Villa songs with these names .
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2025, 09:56:49 AM
However, when they do those “where did Bellingham” come from pieces the scouts from school are 100% sure “he was always going to make it” whereas I wonder how much of that is 20/20 hindsight.
@Rotterdam - Can you genuinely spot the ones that will make it and the ones that will not? How random is it?
Post by: Baldy on February 12, 2025, 10:26:28 AM
Could be a good one for the future. 55 million release clause.
Wonder if Unai is sniffing.
Post by: Dave on February 12, 2025, 10:32:22 AM
Wonder if Unai is sniffing.
If he is, you'd think the time to have done the sniffing is when Juventus were trying to offload players to us last summer rather than spending five times as much 12 months later.
Post by: Baldy on February 12, 2025, 10:45:38 AM
Wonder if Unai is sniffing.
If he is, you'd think the time to have done the sniffing is when Juventus were trying to offload players to us last summer rather than spending five times as much 12 months later.
True, he seemed to go under the radar for a lot of big clubs. Looks a class act (so far) in the Premier League.
Post by: Rotterdam on February 12, 2025, 11:04:30 AM
Yep, I am big fan of trying to sign the best talent before they’ve made it. One success and you can build half a team.
However, when they do those “where did Bellingham” come from pieces the scouts from school are 100% sure “he was always going to make it” whereas I wonder how much of that is 20/20 hindsight.
@Rotterdam - Can you genuinely spot the ones that will make it and the ones that will not? How random is it?
I suppose the answer is 'yes and no'.
Top players like Grealish, Bellingham and Morgan Rogers standout as something special. A coach at work had Morgan for a couple of years and said he would win a game on his on if needed. He was so much better than all the others...so Man City bought him for their 'elite' group. Jack was another that was head and shoulders above everyone, same for 'St Jude'.
On the flipside, Tom Fellows was fairly average for WBA u18, Tim Iroegbunam was the standout for me in that group. Tim was highly regarded and Tom flew under the radar. Tom went on loan and blossomed. Tim picked up by us, didn't maybe develop but was sold for $. Jamal Jimoh in the u21 is another Tim potentially, but I know Unai likes him a lot.
A further layer is the ones that have a high ceiling and are looked on as future stars, but for some reason don't kick on and develop. Could be injury related, growth or simply the others caught up. A lad called LC was sold by WBA to Chelsea. He was outstanding at u14/15 but through injury has barely played for Chelsea u18 and u21s. He is though on big money and has a two year pro guaranteed, he'll be a millionaire at 20.
Rico Richards is an interesting one. Contract from WBA on his 17th birthday, didn't develop and stalled football-wise. released after two years. Picked up by Villa, and a business based thought that he could evolve. If he doesn't, it's not a big financial gamble...think a Finn Azaz.
From what I've learnt, the ceiling is so high that few make it through. Being around L1 or L2 is fantastic...National League players can be on £1k a week easily. But they all want to be the next Morgan Rogers or Cole Palmer. Football is a business and players the commodity and academy's can be a big money spinner.
Post by: OCD on February 12, 2025, 11:04:56 AM
Yep, I am big fan of trying to sign the best talent before they’ve made it. One success and you can build half a team.
However, when they do those “where did Bellingham” come from pieces the scouts from school are 100% sure “he was always going to make it” whereas I wonder how much of that is 20/20 hindsight.
@Rotterdam - Can you genuinely spot the ones that will make it and the ones that will not? How random is it?
Bellingham probably isn't the best example as he was a generational talent and all the top clubs wanted him.
Post by: paul_e on February 12, 2025, 11:31:12 AM
Yep, I am big fan of trying to sign the best talent before they’ve made it. One success and you can build half a team.
However, when they do those “where did Bellingham” come from pieces the scouts from school are 100% sure “he was always going to make it” whereas I wonder how much of that is 20/20 hindsight.
@Rotterdam - Can you genuinely spot the ones that will make it and the ones that will not? How random is it?
I suppose the answer is 'yes and no'.
Top players like Grealish, Bellingham and Morgan Rogers standout as something special. A coach at work had Morgan for a couple of years and said he would win a game on his on if needed. He was so much better than all the others...so Man City bought him for their 'elite' group. Jack was another that was head and shoulders above everyone, same for 'St Jude'.
On the flipside, Tom Fellows was fairly average for WBA u18, Tim Iroegbunam was the standout for me in that group. Tim was highly regarded and Tom flew under the radar. Tom went on loan and blossomed. Tim picked up by us, didn't maybe develop but was sold for $. Jamal Jimoh in the u21 is another Tim potentially, but I know Unai likes him a lot.
A further layer is the ones that have a high ceiling and are looked on as future stars, but for some reason don't kick on and develop. Could be injury related, growth or simply the others caught up. A lad called LC was sold by WBA to Chelsea. He was outstanding at u14/15 but through injury has barely played for Chelsea u18 and u21s. He is though on big money and has a two year pro guaranteed, he'll be a millionaire at 20.
Rico Richards is an interesting one. Contract from WBA on his 17th birthday, didn't develop and stalled football-wise. released after two years. Picked up by Villa, and a business based thought that he could evolve. If he doesn't, it's not a big financial gamble...think a Finn Azaz.
From what I've learnt, the ceiling is so high that few make it through. Being around L1 or L2 is fantastic...National League players can be on £1k a week easily. But they all want to be the next Morgan Rogers or Cole Palmer. Football is a business and players the commodity and academy's can be a big money spinner.
I think the big 'unknowns' that make it almost impossible to be certain come down to 2 things:
1. How long does the desire to be the next Palmer/Rogers/etc drive them? Does th efirst pro contract make them think they've made it? Does a handful of first team appearances? The very best players are the ones who get a taste of it and want more and push themselves to be better and go further. They're not always the ones that have the most talent.
2. Who do they have around them and how do those people react to the money and fame of their son/brother/mate/etc. The wrong people can very quickly become a distraction/bad influence.
Almost every example of someone looking like the world is at their feet but then failing sees them fall down on 1 of those 2 points.
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2025, 11:39:15 AM
I'd add that physical strength and durability is a key component of success. I remember Ars Wenger saying that the primary consideration when looking at young players was their physical attributes and speed over 3-5 metres.I think the big 'unknowns' that make it almost impossible to be certain come down to 2 things:Yep, I am big fan of trying to sign the best talent before they’ve made it. One success and you can build half a team.I suppose the answer is 'yes and no'.
However, when they do those “where did Bellingham” come from pieces the scouts from school are 100% sure “he was always going to make it” whereas I wonder how much of that is 20/20 hindsight.
@Rotterdam - Can you genuinely spot the ones that will make it and the ones that will not? How random is it?
Top players like Grealish, Bellingham and Morgan Rogers standout as something special. A coach at work had Morgan for a couple of years and said he would win a game on his on if needed. He was so much better than all the others...so Man City bought him for their 'elite' group. Jack was another that was head and shoulders above everyone, same for 'St Jude'.
On the flipside, Tom Fellows was fairly average for WBA u18, Tim Iroegbunam was the standout for me in that group. Tim was highly regarded and Tom flew under the radar. Tom went on loan and blossomed. Tim picked up by us, didn't maybe develop but was sold for $. Jamal Jimoh in the u21 is another Tim potentially, but I know Unai likes him a lot.
A further layer is the ones that have a high ceiling and are looked on as future stars, but for some reason don't kick on and develop. Could be injury related, growth or simply the others caught up. A lad called LC was sold by WBA to Chelsea. He was outstanding at u14/15 but through injury has barely played for Chelsea u18 and u21s. He is though on big money and has a two year pro guaranteed, he'll be a millionaire at 20.
Rico Richards is an interesting one. Contract from WBA on his 17th birthday, didn't develop and stalled football-wise. released after two years. Picked up by Villa, and a business based thought that he could evolve. If he doesn't, it's not a big financial gamble...think a Finn Azaz.
From what I've learnt, the ceiling is so high that few make it through. Being around L1 or L2 is fantastic...National League players can be on £1k a week easily. But they all want to be the next Morgan Rogers or Cole Palmer. Football is a business and players the commodity and academy's can be a big money spinner.
1. How long does the desire to be the next Palmer/Rogers/etc drive them? Does th efirst pro contract make them think they've made it? Does a handful of first team appearances? The very best players are the ones who get a taste of it and want more and push themselves to be better and go further. They're not always the ones that have the most talent.
2. Who do they have around them and how do those people react to the money and fame of their son/brother/mate/etc. The wrong people can very quickly become a distraction/bad influence.
Almost every example of someone looking like the world is at their feet but then failing sees them fall down on 1 of those 2 points.
Rogers, Grealish and Bellingham all demonstrated physical prowess early on in their career.
Post by: Bosco81 on February 12, 2025, 11:43:05 AM
Yep, I am big fan of trying to sign the best talent before they’ve made it. One success and you can build half a team.
However, when they do those “where did Bellingham” come from pieces the scouts from school are 100% sure “he was always going to make it” whereas I wonder how much of that is 20/20 hindsight.
@Rotterdam - Can you genuinely spot the ones that will make it and the ones that will not? How random is it?
I suppose the answer is 'yes and no'.
Top players like Grealish, Bellingham and Morgan Rogers standout as something special. A coach at work had Morgan for a couple of years and said he would win a game on his on if needed. He was so much better than all the others...so Man City bought him for their 'elite' group. Jack was another that was head and shoulders above everyone, same for 'St Jude'.
On the flipside, Tom Fellows was fairly average for WBA u18, Tim Iroegbunam was the standout for me in that group. Tim was highly regarded and Tom flew under the radar. Tom went on loan and blossomed. Tim picked up by us, didn't maybe develop but was sold for $. Jamal Jimoh in the u21 is another Tim potentially, but I know Unai likes him a lot.
A further layer is the ones that have a high ceiling and are looked on as future stars, but for some reason don't kick on and develop. Could be injury related, growth or simply the others caught up. A lad called LC was sold by WBA to Chelsea. He was outstanding at u14/15 but through injury has barely played for Chelsea u18 and u21s. He is though on big money and has a two year pro guaranteed, he'll be a millionaire at 20.
Rico Richards is an interesting one. Contract from WBA on his 17th birthday, didn't develop and stalled football-wise. released after two years. Picked up by Villa, and a business based thought that he could evolve. If he doesn't, it's not a big financial gamble...think a Finn Azaz.
From what I've learnt, the ceiling is so high that few make it through. Being around L1 or L2 is fantastic...National League players can be on £1k a week easily. But they all want to be the next Morgan Rogers or Cole Palmer. Football is a business and players the commodity and academy's can be a big money spinner.
That's really interesting Rotterdam.
I coach my lad's under 14's team, and my remit is for them to enjoy the game, and hopefully they will keep playing as adults, although I doubt any of my lot will get paid even £50 per week in the future, but we are playing at a competitive level for our ability, you don't want to win or lose 10-0 every week.
We played a JPL team in the County Cup, and fared pretty well against them but their extra fitness and physicality paid off in the end, but I would say there is only a couple of their team, who could possibly go on and play even lower non-leagues.
It just shows the different levels all these kids are playing in, I'm sure watching academy games at that level would be interesting, but even then they've got very little chance of making a career out of football, but it must be a great feeling to spot that Rogers/Grealish type who you know could/should make it.
Post by: OCD on February 12, 2025, 12:47:20 PM
"Awful, game got abandoned at 20minutes!! The other coaches were kicking off at the 16yr old Ref swearing at him, our player was on the floor after being nasty fouled and their player kicked him in the head & back from behind. Ref asked him to come over to apologise and he told the ref to F off and stuck his middle finger up! So the ref told their coach he had to leave the pitch. These are 8yr olds!! Then a parent started on the ref & our coach asking him to fight in the car park so our coach asked them all to leave the ground! The parents all swearing & kicking off!! Our boys were crying, the ref was petrified and crying!! It was disgraceful."
"How parents can defend that behaviour is beyond me!! They all walked off calling our boys f **king pussys 🙈"
Post by: Somniloquism on February 12, 2025, 12:57:25 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 12, 2025, 01:02:08 PM
Yep, I am big fan of trying to sign the best talent before they’ve made it. One success and you can build half a team.
However, when they do those “where did Bellingham” come from pieces the scouts from school are 100% sure “he was always going to make it” whereas I wonder how much of that is 20/20 hindsight.
@Rotterdam - Can you genuinely spot the ones that will make it and the ones that will not? How random is it?
I suppose the answer is 'yes and no'.
Top players like Grealish, Bellingham and Morgan Rogers standout as something special. A coach at work had Morgan for a couple of years and said he would win a game on his on if needed. He was so much better than all the others...so Man City bought him for their 'elite' group. Jack was another that was head and shoulders above everyone, same for 'St Jude'.
On the flipside, Tom Fellows was fairly average for WBA u18, Tim Iroegbunam was the standout for me in that group. Tim was highly regarded and Tom flew under the radar. Tom went on loan and blossomed. Tim picked up by us, didn't maybe develop but was sold for $. Jamal Jimoh in the u21 is another Tim potentially, but I know Unai likes him a lot.
A further layer is the ones that have a high ceiling and are looked on as future stars, but for some reason don't kick on and develop. Could be injury related, growth or simply the others caught up. A lad called LC was sold by WBA to Chelsea. He was outstanding at u14/15 but through injury has barely played for Chelsea u18 and u21s. He is though on big money and has a two year pro guaranteed, he'll be a millionaire at 20.
Rico Richards is an interesting one. Contract from WBA on his 17th birthday, didn't develop and stalled football-wise. released after two years. Picked up by Villa, and a business based thought that he could evolve. If he doesn't, it's not a big financial gamble...think a Finn Azaz.
From what I've learnt, the ceiling is so high that few make it through. Being around L1 or L2 is fantastic...National League players can be on £1k a week easily. But they all want to be the next Morgan Rogers or Cole Palmer. Football is a business and players the commodity and academy's can be a big money spinner.
I think the big 'unknowns' that make it almost impossible to be certain come down to 2 things:
1. How long does the desire to be the next Palmer/Rogers/etc drive them? Does th efirst pro contract make them think they've made it? Does a handful of first team appearances? The very best players are the ones who get a taste of it and want more and push themselves to be better and go further. They're not always the ones that have the most talent.
2. Who do they have around them and how do those people react to the money and fame of their son/brother/mate/etc. The wrong people can very quickly become a distraction/bad influence.
Almost every example of someone looking like the world is at their feet but then failing sees them fall down on 1 of those 2 points.
Thanks both. I find it encouraging that there are patterns because the club can actively educate the players about the two risk Paul mentions. The physical bit is harder to manipulate.
I hope the club continue to fund this strategy and that Emery et al are open to promoting players. The benefits way outstrip the risks and cost in my opinion.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 12, 2025, 01:02:11 PM
Just have to see the scenes at the Boldmere match last year.
I coach my lads under 12s in Mid Warwickshire Generally it is good but you hear some horrible stories and it seems to be further up the tiers. These parents need to remember what and who they are there for
Post by: Rigadon on February 12, 2025, 01:03:42 PM
Some of the things I hear about from a friend who's son plays for an under 8's team are shocking. Here's a quote from her after they played Sheldon.
"Awful, game got abandoned at 20minutes!! The other coaches were kicking off at the 16yr old Ref swearing at him, our player was on the floor after being nasty fouled and their player kicked him in the head & back from behind. Ref asked him to come over to apologise and he told the ref to F off and stuck his middle finger up! So the ref told their coach he had to leave the pitch. These are 8yr olds!! Then a parent started on the ref & our coach asking him to fight in the car park so our coach asked them all to leave the ground! The parents all swearing & kicking off!! Our boys were crying, the ref was petrified and crying!! It was disgraceful."
"How parents can defend that behaviour is beyond me!! They all walked off calling our boys f **king pussys 🙈"
Quite shameful. If you ever wondered how some kids grow up to be idiots as adults, you only need to watch youth football at how some parents act.
Post by: Dave on February 12, 2025, 01:04:19 PM
Just have to see the scenes at the Boldmere match last year.
I coach my lads under 12s in Mid Warwickshire Generally it is good but you hear some horrible stories and it seems to be further up the tiers. These parents need to remember what and who they are there for
Yeah, I do various stuff under-7s level. I've not seen anything problematic at that age group, but it's very easy to see how it could develop as they get older.
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 12, 2025, 01:16:03 PM
Post by: paul_e on February 12, 2025, 01:17:18 PM
Just have to see the scenes at the Boldmere match last year.I coach my lads under 12s in Mid Warwickshire Generally it is good but you hear some horrible stories and it seems to be further up the tiers. These parents need to remember what and who they are there for
Sadly for a lot of parents what they are there for is a possibility of a big pay day, especially once their little gold mine gets picked up by a pro club. I know someone who had her son picked up by Brighton for a couple of years and it had a huge impact on the family because suddenly her husband and his brother saw the £ signs and started being twats. Ended up with a divorce and her kid losing interest in the sport.
Post by: Bosco81 on February 12, 2025, 01:45:52 PM
We tend to get allocated a ref every week which helps, even if it is a 16 year old turning up on his bike, I had to ref our first game and there were some real gobshites on their team, which I gave short shrift to, I couldn't ref every week otherwise I'd lose my shit with the way players talk to refs.
Since having to ref occasionally over the last 6 years it does give you a better understanding of refs and how you should react to them, as much to set a good example to your players, as learning from my later years of playing, that being nice to refs tend to get you more decisions., which is the opposite of how we think the Premier League seems to be run, in that the more you moan the more decisions you get
Post by: paul_e on February 12, 2025, 02:00:48 PM
I think in 6 seasons we've escaped relatively unscathed, but in a way it probably helps we have tended to lose more than we win, so the opposition don't kick off if they beat us, and we're not bellends. This season we are breaking even but we've still not had too many problems.
We tend to get allocated a ref every week which helps, even if it is a 16 year old turning up on his bike, I had to ref our first game and there were some real gobshites on their team, which I gave short shrift to, I couldn't ref every week otherwise I'd lose my shit with the way players talk to refs.
Since having to ref occasionally over the last 6 years it does give you a better understanding of refs and how you should react to them, as much to set a good example to your players, as learning from my later years of playing, that being nice to refs tend to get you more decisions., which is the opposite of how we think the Premier League seems to be run, in that the more you moan the more decisions you get
The difference being that if you make a decision someone doesn't like at grassroots level the absolute most they can do is put in a complaint against you. In the premier league the game ends and they can go on TV and tell everyone that you're shit and then a few later a bunch of ex-players can do it again, and then the press can do it the next morning and suddenly you're getting death threats on social media. If you know one team are going to be respectful and accept your decisions and the others are going to kick up a stink over everything I can see why siding with the latter becomes easier.
Post by: Drummond on February 12, 2025, 02:27:23 PM
Post by: FatSam on February 12, 2025, 09:09:48 PM
Just have to see the scenes at the Boldmere match last year.Are you referring to a specific incident? What happened?
Post by: Somniloquism on February 12, 2025, 09:11:27 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 13, 2025, 01:41:31 AM
When I started getting abuse from some of the players over my decisions, they looked quite shocked when I gave them some back!
Post by: PeterWithe on February 13, 2025, 09:51:05 AM
Google search Boldmere St Michaels fight to get video of the fighting in the stands.
And, although I stand to be corrected, the punishment so far for that incident, is absolutely fuck all.
My experience is that both the national and county FA (who have responsibility for discipline) are happy to have it look like they are doing something by promoting various discipline 'hooplas' but when it comes down to it, they don't want to know and want incidents just swept under the carpet.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 13, 2025, 01:46:17 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 13, 2025, 01:50:53 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 13, 2025, 04:11:44 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 13, 2025, 04:58:41 PM
It was the away "fans" I believe, both sides of the fight.Yep, exactly what I heard. The crowd at Boldmere seem to be pretty good...except for their parking!!!
Post by: OCD on February 13, 2025, 09:14:52 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 13, 2025, 10:11:13 PM
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Starland Warriors FC, based in nearby Kingstanding
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on February 14, 2025, 07:58:30 PM
Even worse.Oi!QuoteStarland Warriors FC, based in nearby Kingstanding
I'm from Kingstanding ... it must have got much worse in recent years ;)
Post by: Drummond on February 18, 2025, 07:43:37 PM
Post by: Tuscans on February 19, 2025, 07:05:26 PM
@kierangill_DM
Post by: SaddVillan on February 20, 2025, 03:38:48 PM
Hahaha, João Felix out of the Champions League. Should have come to a big club mate.
Wonder if he wishes he'd signed for (still in the ECL) AV instead of AC?
Post by: Drummond on February 20, 2025, 06:56:55 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on February 20, 2025, 09:11:35 PM
Ferran Torres linked if we don't get one of Asensio or Rashford on a perm in the summer...
Another one we were supposedly interested in a year or so back. I’m sure interest in Joao Felix won’t go away either once he goes back to Chelsea.
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 21, 2025, 02:25:23 AM
He should add a bit of bite up front, I suppose...
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2025, 03:59:21 PM
Barry
Buendia
Barrencha
Illing Jr
Dobbin
Post by: Demitri_C on March 11, 2025, 04:05:08 PM
Could get around £60-£75m selling these in summer:
Barry
Buendia
Barrencha
Illing Jr
Dobbin
I think enzo will probably stay rest may be sold or loaned on. At mist i think we will be lucky to get 30-40m for those excluding enzo
Post by: Olneythelonely on March 11, 2025, 04:37:56 PM
Could get around £60-£75m selling these in summer:
Barry
Buendia
Barrencha
Illing Jr
Dobbin
I think enzo will probably stay rest may be sold or loaned on. At mist i think we will be lucky to get 30-40m for those excluding enzo
Foggin’ hell
Post by: Dave on March 11, 2025, 04:56:22 PM
Could get around £60-£75m selling these in summer:
Barry
Buendia
Barrencha
Illing Jr
Dobbin
I think enzo will probably stay rest may be sold or loaned on. At mist i think we will be lucky to get 30-40m for those excluding enzo
Foggin’ hell
Reckon Iling-Junior will just stay at the Smoggies.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 03, 2025, 02:12:07 PM
Post by: Rotterdam on April 03, 2025, 04:04:28 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 03, 2025, 04:12:36 PM
Could get around £60-£75m selling these in summer:
Barry
Buendia
Barrencha
Illing Jr
Dobbin
I think enzo will probably stay rest may be sold or loaned on. At mist i think we will be lucky to get 30-40m for those excluding enzo
Foggin’ hell
Reckon Iling-Junior will just stay at the Smoggies.
Two assists for him on Saturday, pretty good ones as well.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 03, 2025, 08:16:24 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 03, 2025, 08:43:47 PM
Sounds like Felix is having a stinker in Milan too. I’ve been so impressed by our signings. It’s not just the quality, it’s the effort too.
I suspect that, had we signed him, he'd currently be performing pretty well.
It's all about Emery.
Post by: AV84 on April 03, 2025, 11:05:29 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 03, 2025, 11:07:17 PM
Post by: Beard82 on April 03, 2025, 11:12:28 PM
I have a lot of faith in Emery, but the fact it's been multiple clubs now where Felix has been shit makes you wonder if there's something there that is actually the player's fault.possible - but then look at Marco at psg - hes scored more goals for us in 2 months than for them in 2 years. I think Unai sees the potential rather than anything else
Post by: Beard82 on April 03, 2025, 11:13:13 PM
basically what samthemouse saidI have a lot of faith in Emery, but the fact it's been multiple clubs now where Felix has been shit makes you wonder if there's something there that is actually the player's fault.possible - but then look at Marco at psg - hes scored more goals for us in 2 months than for them in 2 years. I think Unai sees the potential rather than anything else
Post by: LeeB on April 03, 2025, 11:34:47 PM
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2025, 07:15:19 AM
Feels like Rashford has worked out the better of the two.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2025, 08:46:46 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 04, 2025, 09:05:41 AM
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Notably, during his early matches for both Rennes and the national youth teams, he has demonstrated proficiency as a winger, centre-forward, and attacking midfielder in the style of Anthony Martial.
TBF, he is 19 and his best positions seemed to be coming in from the left rather then leading the line. The fact that is Son's best position has already caused issues with Spurs as it is also Maddison's best as well.
Post by: AV84 on April 04, 2025, 06:51:08 PM
I have a lot of faith in Emery, but the fact it's been multiple clubs now where Felix has been shit makes you wonder if there's something there that is actually the player's fault.possible - but then look at Marco at psg - hes scored more goals for us in 2 months than for them in 2 years. I think Unai sees the potential rather than anything else
Was PSG not a case of there being better players ahead of Asensio, so he wasn't really playing? I don't follow French football so I genuinely don't know with that one.
I feel like Felix is being given every opportunity to play, he's just not firing, for whatever reason.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 04, 2025, 07:36:09 PM
Post by: Mister E on April 04, 2025, 07:50:43 PM
Maybe it's all a big 'in' joke with Damien and Monchi and the lads, they keep talking to the press about wanting Felix and meanwhile they're tying up other deals whilst nobody notices.Felix has been universally shite, so your 'reverse messaging' conspiracy may have legs!
Post by: Dave on April 05, 2025, 08:25:39 AM
I have a lot of faith in Emery, but the fact it's been multiple clubs now where Felix has been shit makes you wonder if there's something there that is actually the player's fault.possible - but then look at Marco at psg - hes scored more goals for us in 2 months than for them in 2 years. I think Unai sees the potential rather than anything else
Was PSG not a case of there being better players ahead of Asensio, so he wasn't really playing? I don't follow French football so I genuinely don't know with that one.
Sort of, but more just a style of play issue.
The way they've played since December is to have two fast wide players and the three central midfielders are all do-a-bit-of-everything (like Tielemans / McGinn) types and need to do more defensive stuff than Asensio does.
Then they chucked £70m at Kvaratskhelia, so anything they were getting from Asensio, they're now getting from him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2025, 10:28:06 AM
In other "players we were heavily linked with in January" news, that Mathys Tel has now dropped to the Spurs bench and has done nothing since that late consolation goal against us in January.
Feels like Rashford has worked out the better of the two.
That’s more on their team and manager than Tel . He’ll probably score against Southampton today. Quality player who really didn’t want to go there.
Post by: Olneythelonely on April 05, 2025, 11:59:07 PM
That’s more on their team and manager than Tel . He’ll probably score against Southampton today. Quality player who really didn’t want to go there.
Shocking. He failed to score against Southampton today.
Post by: Clampy on April 06, 2025, 12:07:07 AM
Post by: Clampy on April 06, 2025, 12:29:47 AM
Post by: Rigadon on April 06, 2025, 07:02:39 AM
Post by: Smithy on April 06, 2025, 10:27:10 AM
According to Teamtalk (courtsey of the BBC Gossip page) Man City hope to sign Morgan Rogers as Pep is a huge admirer. Hmm.
I take the link with a huge pinch of salt anyway, but the thing about Morgan is that he strikes me as a very bright young man, with a decent head on his shoulders. He KNOWS that if he goes to Man City he'll be a completely different player in that system. He's been there. He's seen it from the inside. There is no way a Pep side gives him the freedom and trust he currently gets from Unai. He might get a few trophies over the next few years, but is that enough to sacrifice fulfilling your true potential as a player? (see J. Grealish). I'm sure it would be for some players, but I don't think so for Morgan.
Links for our best players is something we've always had, and it's only going to get worse as we get better as a team and have better players on the pitch.
Post by: Ian. on April 06, 2025, 10:31:11 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 06, 2025, 11:21:18 AM
Links for our best players is something we've always had, and it's only going to get worse as we get better as a team and have better players on the pitch.
We are higher up the food chain now so there’s fewer clubs that would be deemed a step up. It also means when we do sell there’s likely to be big fees attached.
Post by: Clampy on April 06, 2025, 11:23:31 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2025, 12:13:50 PM
Makes it much easier to acquire and retain top players.
Post by: AV84 on April 06, 2025, 12:19:07 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 06, 2025, 02:41:47 PM
Post by: algy on April 06, 2025, 02:53:32 PM
Not for me. Man City will be back up there whatever happens, I'd rather have a foot on Newcastle's throat keeping them down. And also, Chelsea not getting top European football could lead to them having financial problems.I agree - ultimately Man City qualifying for the Europa League for one season is going to make no material difference. Chelsea being out of it for 3 seasons on the trot will help to neutralise them. Newcastle being out of it will keep them from becoming a serious problem.
Ideal situation for us right now is Liverpool, Arsenal, Forest, Man City, and Us taking the 5 Champions League spots.
Post by: Dave on April 06, 2025, 03:03:49 PM
Both Chelsea and Forest still feel financially deranged enough that they will blow up and a season (back) in the Champions League won't fix that.
So I think ideal scenario is us, Forest and Chelsea.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 06, 2025, 03:41:21 PM
Newcastle staying out is the most important thing.
Both Chelsea and Forest still feel financially deranged enough that they will blow up and a season (back) in the Champions League won't fix that.
So I think ideal scenario is us, Forest and Chelsea.
Unless you can foresee some sort of permanent decline, I would rather it be Man City over Chelsea.
Post by: Dave on April 06, 2025, 04:12:58 PM
A bit like Man Utd being in the Champions League last season didn't suddenly fix their structural issues, I think the same would be the case if Chelsea made it in next season.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 06, 2025, 04:14:31 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 06, 2025, 05:53:38 PM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 06, 2025, 06:04:52 PM
The longer Chelsea go, the more likely they end up in the sh*t.
Post by: Smithy on April 06, 2025, 09:30:07 PM
Hope us and Forest make it.
The longer Chelsea go, the more likely they end up in the sh*t.
What Chelsea have, is over a decade of regular champions league football and European runs. That has allowed them to build a commercial operation that is WAY in excess of ours. They can't afford to stay out of Europe indefinitely, but they're pretty well placed to miss a couple of years and not go to the wall, unfortunately.
it's another reason we need two or three seasons competing in Europe, so that we become "regulars" on the European scene, and start earning the commercial revenue associated with that. I don't mean Champions League money, I mean all the extra sponsorship and commercial deals that come with being a team competing at the top end of the league and in Europe year on year.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 07, 2025, 12:17:19 PM
According to Teamtalk (courtsey of the BBC Gossip page) Man City hope to sign Morgan Rogers as Pep is a huge admirer. Hmm.
If Pep is even there.