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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on September 26, 2024, 07:54:31 PM
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
No surprise there Dave
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No surprise really. I expect it is another reason for Preece to leave as well, especially with those latest rumours of the minutes being ....erm..... tempered more for the club.
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I'm always loathe to shut down communication lines with anyone if there's a problem, but I get a real sense that the club are in total denial at the moment about the fans disquiet on a range of matters. If Dave has reached the end of his tether then it seems there's little point in continuing.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
Good decision Dave…there is nothing to be gained from it, the day consultation became advisory the purpose went.
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The rumbling of discontent with the off field shenanigans is just growing.
Is anybody listening?
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I know these things are often difficult when there are different factions involved, but is there any way of getting the various fan groups who have resigned from the FAB to draw up some kind of joint statement? The press were already aware of the problems occurring between club and fans after the ticket price and Arsenal debacles - something needs to draw attention to just how bad relations between the club and fans have got. The fact there are thousands of empty seats now at games despite the on-field success just shows Villa are getting things seriously wrong currently.
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I know these things are often difficult when there are different factions involved, but is there any way of getting the various fan groups who have resigned from the FAB to draw up some kind of joint statement? The press were already aware of the problems occurring between club and fans after the ticket price and Arsenal debacles - something needs to draw attention to just how bad relations between the club and fans have got. The fact there are thousands of empty seats now at games despite the on-field success just shows Villa are getting things seriously wrong currently.
good idea
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The club aren't arsed in the slightest about feedback coming from the fans. That nonsense about the toilets problem having been escalated to the owners was a great example, make it sound like it was a result of fan feedback rather than what it really was - loads of people posting videos and photos of disgusting toilets on twitter and tagging Heck in.
Fuck them, I trust Heck and his acolyte Hatton about as far as I can throw them.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
Out of interest what was the straw that broke the camels back?
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I'm always loathe to shut down communication lines with anyone if there's a problem, but I get a real sense that the club are in total denial at the moment about the fans disquiet on a range of matters. If Dave has reached the end of his tether then it seems there's little point in continuing.
You're absolutely right. They believe everything's fine and a few minor problems at the match are someone else's fault.
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This is really disappointing. How is there such a divide between Emery who never misses an opportunity to thank the fans and make us feel a part of the success and the board who off the pitch don't seem to view things at all the same way. It almost makes me think Emery is working extra hard on what he says because of the other non football related stuff impacting supporters.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
Good decision Dave…there is nothing to be gained from it, the day consultation became advisory the purpose went.
Club are only interested in compliance and they want fan reps to be compliant. It’s ineffective and there is no point in giving credence to a shambolic process.
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The only reason they do it at all is because the Premier League rules mean they have to.
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The only reason they do it at all is because the Premier League rules mean they have to.
Indeed.
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Unai Emery is absolutely critical to all aspects of this club. He is basically holding the club together. What are the Board playing at
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It’s a great shame that things have come to this. I do not believe that the owners are fully aware of the situation.
It is not in their long term interests to trash the relationship between the club and its supporters.
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Nassef was at Wycombe the other night to experience great facilities.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
Well done, it’s an absolute farce. Thank you for your efforts in the past.
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What a state of affairs. People who are Villa through and through turning their back on the club this week, due to the shambolic way that fans are being treated. This is going to get ugly in a season when we should be really enjoying the ride Unai is taking us on. And we know who the problem is.
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What a state of affairs. People who are Villa through and through turning their back on the club this week, due to the shambolic way that fans are being treated. This is going to get ugly in a season when we should be really enjoying the ride Unai is taking us on. And we know who the problem is.
I'm not so sure we do. I know it's ananthema to criticise them, but I worry that he's only doing our owners' bidding. When you think about how hands on Nas in particular is how could it be otherwise?
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What a state of affairs. People who are Villa through and through turning their back on the club this week, due to the shambolic way that fans are being treated. This is going to get ugly in a season when we should be really enjoying the ride Unai is taking us on. And we know who the problem is.
I'm not so sure we do. I know it's ananthema to criticise them, but I worry that he's only doing our owners' bidding. When you think about how hands on Nas in particular is how could it be otherwise?
He might be doing the owners bidding in terms of targets but he has massively cocked up the comms side of things, the relationship with the fans, the feel good factor, the positive momentum etc. If you accept he is doing the owners' bidding then presumably Purslow was too yet the approach (while not perfect) was very different and there was generally a feel-good factor about us being in safe hands ?
And it takes a really special level of incompetence to create this much disquiet at a club enjoying its best football in a generation.
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What a state of affairs. People who are Villa through and through turning their back on the club this week, due to the shambolic way that fans are being treated. This is going to get ugly in a season when we should be really enjoying the ride Unai is taking us on. And we know who the problem is.
I'm not so sure we do. I know it's ananthema to criticise them, but I worry that he's only doing our owners' bidding. When you think about how hands on Nas in particular is how could it be otherwise?
He might be doing the owners bidding in terms of targets but he has massively cocked up the comms side of things, the relationship with the fans, the feel good factor, the positive momentum etc. If you accept he is doing the owners' bidding then presumably Purslow was too yet the approach (while not perfect) was very different and there was generally a feel-good factor about us being in safe hands ?
And it takes a really special level of incompetence to create this much disquiet at a club enjoying its best football in a generation.
Without wishing to turn a 3rd thread to be all about that scruffy, incoherent imbecile I fully agree with this
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I think you lasted a lot longer than a lot of us would have. I completely understand and respect the decision.
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The general vibe of the club has nosedived alarmingly since he started with the badge fiasco. It's been one thing after another, and now people are turning their back on the club. NSWE were never questioned in any way before Purslow left. How things have got to this is in a Champions League season is crazy.
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It's a sad day when someone as experienced at dealing with the club as Dave on behalf of us feels it just isn't worth it anymore but I the way things have gone on that front in the last year or so I can completely understand why.
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Sad that it has come to this, but withdrawal from this charade is the correct and principled decision.
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If we’re not allowed our voice through fan representatives, forcing people like Dave to come to the conclusion it’s a waste of time, then we have to make our complaints heard and seen on a matchday. The next two home games are high profile for the club and so are ideal for some kind of fan backlash, particularly Bayern.
Time for the bedsheets to get another airing and that Champions League anthem needs drowning out too. I’ll have a go at hacking into the LED flashing ad computer, if I can manage to get my phone to let me into the ground.
Back Unai and the team - but let’s let those in the directors box know how we feel.
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Dave is it because you can't be arsed with them/it any more or because you don't want H&V to be part of it any more?
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Dave is it because you can't be arsed with them/it any more or because you don't want H&V to be part of it any more?
Both.
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Fair enough. I'd have offered if it was the former not the latter.
Not because I'm arrogant enough to think I'd have made a difference, but just to go and try. And I'd have enjoyed the battle.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
And the truth will out !
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
Well done, it’s an absolute farce. Thank you for your efforts in the past.
My thoughts exactly.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
Well done, it’s an absolute farce. Thank you for your efforts in the past.
My thoughts exactly.
Same, thanks Dave. You've been a voice for the fans, and clearly certain people within the club aren't too arsed about us anymore. I don't blame you.
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Thanks for everything that you did with the FAB Dave. It’s a sad day when, during our 150th year the club have turned their back on their core supporters.
It’s not that long ago when we were languishing in a lower division and still many of us backed the club by turning up week in week out to see a poor team. Now that things have improved far beyond what we thought we could achieve we have been marginalised to the extent that I suspect that traditional fans are an annoyance to them and they wish we’d go away.
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A sad, but understandable, turn of events.
Thanks Dave, appreciate your efforts in the past & principled stand now
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Can you disclose any details from the meeting if the club can’t/won’t?
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Thanks for all the time and effort you have put into the FAB meetings, it certainly is a sad state of affairs when the club alienate people like yourself who only has the best interest of the club and fans at heart
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Unai Emery is absolutely critical to all aspects of this club. He is basically holding the club together. What are the Board playing at
There are only 2 members on the Board of Directors for our Football club, these are the owners - so are you saying that you want the owners out of our football club?
I agree the off field issues do need sorting and I am sure that there are alot of employees of the club working hard trying to sort out these issues, but surely we do not want Nas or Wes out of our club?
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Dave are you considering writing a resignation letter to the owners explaining your position?
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Unai Emery is absolutely critical to all aspects of this club. He is basically holding the club together. What are the Board playing at
There are only 2 members on the Board of Directors for our Football club, these are the owners - so are you saying that you want the owners out of our football club?
I agree the off field issues do need sorting and I am sure that there are alot of employees of the club working hard trying to sort out these issues, but surely we do not want Nas or Wes out of our club?
It was late, I was half asleep.
Chris Heck has been let run amok over the past year and I wish somebody would stop him
Edit. Heck has been my focus but I am increasingly turning my gaze at whomever he reports into.
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Dave's decision is exactly what they want. One less voice of opposition to what they are doing off the field.
We're all slowly getting the message, but one day we will suddenly become of value again, from a footballing perspective not too soon I hope but likely to coincide with a change of Manager, many will have moved on and will say no thanks.
It continues to be a great shame and once again proves that community, love, respect, a sense of togetherness, camaraderie and generations of devotion are of no value whatsoever in society where the unquenchable thirst for capital is concerned.
Is it really all worth it?
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Dave are you considering writing a resignation letter to the owners explaining your position?
Is there any point?
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Dave is it because you can't be arsed with them/it any more or because you don't want H&V to be part of it any more?
Both.
Do you get the feeling that other members of the FAB would make a similar principled decision or is the group full of individuals who no matter what 💩 is trawled out by the club will attend because they feel ‘privileged’?
It probably needs the entire group to resign en masse with a proper, well structured statement listing the grievances….although I still sense whilst we are winning on the pitch some will make all the excuses in the world for disgusting management techniques.
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I can't comment on individual members.
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It's a shame it's come to this and it will be interesting to see if any other groups follow suit. Like others have said, thanks Dave for all your valuable time and efforts.
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It's a shame it's come to this and it will be interesting to see if any other groups follow suit. Like others have said, thanks Dave for all your valuable time and efforts.
Agreed, the others need to the same now and it needs to be shared with the media. Heck and Hatton are the root cause of all our off field turmoil, and they need bringing to account.
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It is a sorry state of affairs when you have a representative of an Aston Villa website give up on communications with the club and only through sheer frustration.
I do feel that you should formally resign from the board, if only to show that a main Aston Villa forum no longer wishes to be part of it under its present guise. Whether any notice will be taken from it is another matter, but walking away without voicing our concerns on all matters related to why you have come to this decision will be lost.
Don't just walk away from it Dave. Let them have both barrels.
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It is a sorry state of affairs when you have a representative of an Aston Villa website give up on communications with the club and only through sheer frustration.
I do feel that you should formally resign from the board, if only to show that a main Aston Villa forum no longer wishes to be part of it under its present guise. Whether any notice will be taken from it is another matter, but walking away without voicing our concerns on all matters related to why you have come to this decision will be lost.
Don't just walk away from it Dave. Let them have both barrels.
I think Dave's right, there's no point. Jon Fear did a big "open letter" rant when he left the FAB, and I doubt they even saw it, or if they, weren't the slightest bit bothered.
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Another sad day in the off-field shambles that is being masked by Emery's genius on it.
Listening to Mick Dale's Claret & Blue podcast earlier, reminded me that it's people like him, Lee Preece and fan reps like Dave that are the last bastions of 'our' club.
Thanks for sticking it out this long Dave. I'm not here to tell you what to do with your time, but I would say an open letter will have an effect. My letter to Lee has now been seen by nearly 200,000 people, and I had Radio WM wanting to do an interview. It's less about the club (and particularly the likes of Heck) hearing your frustration, but giving the local press and national fan representation more ammunition can only be a good thing if you have the time.
The Athletic are also very hot on what's going on, with articles like this: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5744104/2024/09/16/aston-villa-ticket-issues/
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The media would be all over this too, as it builds on the story of the shambles of the start of the season off the pitch. But I can understand the reluctance to waste any more time on them.
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Unfortunately, I think we’ll just have to wait this whole situation out. These price hikes and ridiculous GA+ offerings are unsustainable in the long term, and sadly there’s a good chance our brilliant form will take a downturn and the whole picture changes. Please don’t mistake me for someone who wants this to happen, far from it, but I’m pretty sure that it will - but at what emotional cost to the fanbase? I’m not going to to any ECL games, because being a ST holder for 40 years and a regular away for many years I cannot bring myself to sacrifice my principles to pay what Heck is charging, I just can’t.
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The only way this will really go wrong is if we turn to shit on the pitch, otherwise protests and the like just won't happen. It would be the same at pretty much any British club.
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I'm not so sure we do. I know it's ananthema to criticise them, but I worry that he's only doing our owners' bidding. When you think about how hands on Nas in particular is how could it be otherwise?
It's 100% from the owners, it's just Heck isn't as smooth as Christian. As soon as we got back in the prem the grab started...by stealth. On Purslow's watch my seat went from zone 6 to zone 2 overnight. They got lucky with Emery and decided to go full throttle.
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The media would be all over this too, as it builds on the story of the shambles of the start of the season off the pitch. But I can understand the reluctance to waste any more time on them.
I admire H&Vs stance on this. I would also suggest that those from the other Villa sites do the same.
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I am also in total agreement with this stance.
We used to be able to keep st report back what had been discussed but then they started managing the minutes and they bore no relation to any discussion that had taken place.
People are going to the FAB and asking questions and challenging decisions and it never shows up in the minutes.
Everyone who attends is pretty much being made to look a tw@t as it looks, to the wider fan base, like they’ve just sat there and lapped everything up.
No one should be letting the Board make fools of them just so the Board can pretend to be listening. I hope more follow suit. I know MOMs is also right at the end of his tether & boycotting Champions League at the moment. The Trust need to have a serious think about what to do too.
The latest I’m seeing now is that no one is replying to the disabled fans about whether they have parking for Bayern. The lack of care is a total piss take!
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Some kind of press statement now about the FAB would be really timely. The club has been ignoring too many warnings from FAB and other groups, and getting something in now ahead of the Bolgna game will bring a real focus.
Barry Glendinning wrote that piece last week about fans not doing anything constructive to stop ourselves being exploited. When there are thousands of empty seats for a CL game in a few weeks time (which there will be - having bought tickets via memberships for the last 5 years I have never seen as much availability as there is for that game by a considerable distance) then we can see that without any organised fan protest there is already a huge impact. Get a message out there now and it can't be ignored by the club.
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It’s a great shame that things have come to this. I do not believe that the owners are fully aware of the situation.
It is not in their long term interests to trash the relationship between the club and its supporters.
Then again they can't possibly have no idea at all. Surely they must have regular meetings with Heck and the other senior management
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I think surprise that a couple of billionaires might be c*nts is a bit, well, surprising.
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Bill Gates is all right.
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Someone's been vaccinated and chem trailed I see.
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Bill Gates is all right.
Lol.
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Randy was okay. (For a while).
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Advisory booards are just that, there is nothing democratic about a business it's all about the money. It really is a pity because the long suffering supporter has to put up with sub standard facilities. The only way that the owners would pay attention is if people stayed away for a few weeks and that is not going to happen.
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Dave are you considering writing a resignation letter to the owners explaining your position?
Is there any point?
You could always use the 'Flin5tone Statement' as a template to give it maximum flounce.
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The club would no doubt ignore it, but I bet the media would be interested - one of the club's most high-profile fan voices/representatives has decided to leave the only two-way communication mechanism between supporters and fans.
This comes on the back of the disabled parking issues, safety issues, pricing and now falling attendances.
I appreciate Dave that you could probably do without the bother and hassle of all of this though. It's a massive shame, after all the effort you have put in over the years, to offer balance and fair representation of the fans - as well as communicating the club's viewpoint, that the situation has forced you to do this.
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Where is Flin5tone? He'd have the energy and rage required of a FAB member.
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He's still here.
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It’s a great shame that things have come to this. I do not believe that the owners are fully aware of the situation.
It is not in their long term interests to trash the relationship between the club and its supporters.
Then again they can't possibly have no idea at all. Surely they must have regular meetings with Heck and the other senior management
They pay Heck and Hatton to do this work.
They're not going to appoint expensive, experienced people and then micro-manage them, and a few fans online getting annoyed about stuff like this is not the stuff of Sawiris or Edens. They pay other people to do it.
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The club would no doubt ignore it, but I bet the media would be interested - one of the club's most high-profile fan voices/representatives has decided to leave the only two-way communication mechanism between supporters and fans.
This comes on the back of the disabled parking issues, safety issues, pricing and now falling attendances.
I appreciate Dave that you could probably do without the bother and hassle of all of this though. It's a massive shame, after all the effort you have put in over the years, to offer balance and fair representation of the fans - as well as communicating the club's viewpoint, that the situation has forced you to do this.
I think there’s much to be said about this.
I get the impression bringing things up in the FAB meetings is pointless. Given there’s a bit of a media spotlight on Villa with the ticket prices, and pages to fill with preview stuff for the Bayern game, I’d say now is absolutely the time for a long-standing member of the FAB, who’s now resigned, to kick up a bit of a stink about things. Get the face of Villa’s “legacy” supporters in the newspaper spotlight whilst the opportunity is there.
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It’s a great shame that things have come to this. I do not believe that the owners are fully aware of the situation.
It is not in their long term interests to trash the relationship between the club and its supporters.
Then again they can't possibly have no idea at all. Surely they must have regular meetings with Heck and the other senior management
They pay Heck and Hatton to do this work.
They're not going to appoint expensive, experienced people and then micro-manage them, and a few fans online getting annoyed about stuff like this is not the stuff of Sawiris or Edens. They pay other people to do it.
Agreed. I doubt very much either of the owners are aware of the chaos going on behind the scenes. If I was either Heck or Hatton I'd be looking to update my CV, it's only a matter of time before Sawiris asks Heck why the Villa fans are calling him a wanker. It's another aspect of English football culture he's failed to understand. Will it effect the team? Will it fuck.
Like others, let me take this opportunity to thank Dave and all the others from this parish who have turned up to represent us at the FABs. Much respect and appreciation.
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Where is Flin5tone? He'd have the energy and rage required of a FAB member.
His historical interests have moved on from the Stone Age to the late reign of Henny VIII. Still not keen on using an 'S' though.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
Sorry it's come to this, Dave but I fully understand your position. Very many thanks for all you've done to represent us over the years.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
Sorry it's come to this, Dave but I fully understand your position. Very many thanks for all you've done to represent us over the years.
Chris Heck will be sad to see the departure of the only person to have profited more from Villa fans than he has.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
Sorry it's come to this, Dave but I fully understand your position. Very many thanks for all you've done to represent us over the years.
Chris Heck will be sad to see the departure of the only person to have profited more from Villa fans than he has.
Can't argue with that.
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Thats a real shame and signifies a new low for me.
I go along with others and offer thanks and appreciation for the work youve put in Dave.
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Dave are you considering writing a resignation letter to the owners explaining your position?
Is there any point?
You are probably in a better position to judge this the I am.
I have written to them without reply, your name would vary more weight but I have no idea as to whether they give a damn.
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As of now H&V are no longer represented on the FAB. It serves no purpose and frankly I've got better things to do with my time.
Sorry it's come to this, Dave but I fully understand your position. Very many thanks for all you've done to represent us over the years.
Chris Heck will be sad to see the departure of the only person to have profited more from Villa fans than he has.
‘Hold my beer’ - Herbert Douglas Ellis
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Thats a real shame and signifies a new low for me.
I go along with others and offer thanks and appreciation for the work youve put in Dave.
Sentiments echoed. It's sad. The cynic in me says this is exactly what they want though, the fans to back off , not be heard or considered and it's a sad state of affairs . Everything that's going on off pitch shows they don't care about the fans other than how much money they can bleed from you .
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Thats a real shame and signifies a new low for me.
I go along with others and offer thanks and appreciation for the work youve put in Dave.
Sentiments echoed. It's sad. The cynic in me says this is exactly what they want though, the fans to back off , not be heard or considered and it's a sad state of affairs . Everything that's going on off pitch shows they don't care about the fans other than how much money they can bleed from you .
I cling to the hope that the owners are not fully aware of the negativity that Heck is creating. I might be naive but I do know that what Heck is doing is not in the owners long term interest.
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There is a reason people become billionaires - it is not by giving a pig's fart about the feelings of others.
Our success is based on a deal with the devil.
I just despair
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Thats a real shame and signifies a new low for me.
I go along with others and offer thanks and appreciation for the work youve put in Dave.
Sentiments echoed. It's sad. The cynic in me says this is exactly what they want though, the fans to back off , not be heard or considered and it's a sad state of affairs . Everything that's going on off pitch shows they don't care about the fans other than how much money they can bleed from you .
I cling to the hope that the owners are not fully aware of the negativity that Heck is creating. I might be naive but I do know that what Heck is doing is not in the owners long term interest.
This whole episode has made me think more than ever about the motives of our owners. The more I do I conclude that the plan is to establish the club as a regular CL participant and then sell or one buys the other out. Naz seems to be the one more attached to the club, so if that’s the way it goes I’d like it to be him. Edens, I think he strikes me as one more aligned with the current pricing strategy. I have nothing to back any of this up with, it’s just my feeling.
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Unai Emery is absolutely critical to all aspects of this club. He is basically holding the club together. What are the Board playing at
There are only 2 members on the Board of Directors for our Football club, these are the owners - so are you saying that you want the owners out of our football club?
I agree the off field issues do need sorting and I am sure that there are alot of employees of the club working hard trying to sort out these issues, but surely we do not want Nas or Wes out of our club?
There are about 6 or 7. I think I’ve mentioned this before - not sure if it was you who said it was 2.
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Minutes are out but don't seem to reveal v much:
https://myoldmansaid.com/aston-villa-fan-advisory-board-notes-champions-league-pricing-opening-home-game-fan-frustrations-and-more/
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Is it any wonder I gave it up?
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I gave up reading that......
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Is it any wonder I gave it up?
None at all. Credit to you!
The minutes seem contradictory on whether prices would increase for Champiosn League Knockout stage.
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A masterpiece of bluff and obfuscation...deary me...
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When I opened the minutes I was overcome by an overwhelming smell of bullshit.
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Unfortunately that piece just smells of politicians answers. The disabled one for example. Complete disgrace
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The meaning evil are still reporting that we are going ahead with the North Stand extension!
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The meaning evil are still reporting that we are going ahead with the North Stand extension!
Only 800 seats
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Yes they said that but also still parroting the north stand extension
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The meaning evil are still reporting that we are going ahead with the North Stand extension!
Only 800 seats
Heck must have just decided to divide our planned expansion by 10. Basically the opposite of his approach to pricing.
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The meaning evil are still reporting that we are going ahead with the North Stand extension!
Only 800 seats
Heck must have just decided to divide our planned expansion by 10. Basically the opposite of his approach to pricing.
They make me laugh when they say they need as much revenue as possible and all other clubs have bigger stadiums. Remind us who scrapped our stadium expansion?
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The meaning evil are still reporting that we are going ahead with the North Stand extension!
Only 800 seats
Heck must have just decided to divide our planned expansion by 10. Basically the opposite of his approach to pricing.
They make me laugh when they say they need as much revenue as possible and all other clubs have bigger stadiums. Remind us who scrapped our stadium expansion?
Pricing tonight looking really idiotic now too with all the cheap seats becomign available. Utter clown in charge!
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The new legislation for the independent regulator is up before the Lords today.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c9vn8r2zwyno
The government says the regulator will also have the power to "compel clubs to democratically select the fan representatives the club must engage with" and demand "effective engagement" with supporters on changes to ticket prices.
It comes as fan groups from across the Premier League plan protests over the cost of tickets as part of the the #StopExploitingLoyalty campaign led by the Football Supporters' Association (FSA). According to the FSA, 19 of the top-flight clubs raised prices last season.
In a statement, FSA chief executive Kevin Miles said the association "wholeheartedly backs" the regulator's creation.
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The meaning evil are still reporting that we are going ahead with the North Stand extension!
Only 800 seats
Heck must have just decided to divide our planned expansion by 10. Basically the opposite of his approach to pricing.
They make me laugh when they say they need as much revenue as possible and all other clubs have bigger stadiums. Remind us who scrapped our stadium expansion?
Pricing tonight looking really idiotic now too with all the cheap seats becomign available. Utter clown in charge!
did cheap seats REALLY become available and useable, or is it an urban myth ?
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Yes I saw some online - about 150 - though the prices kept changing - some were 39
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The meaning evil are still reporting that we are going ahead with the North Stand extension!
Only 800 seats
Heck must have just decided to divide our planned expansion by 10. Basically the opposite of his approach to pricing.
They make me laugh when they say they need as much revenue as possible and all other clubs have bigger stadiums. Remind us who scrapped our stadium expansion?
Pricing tonight looking really idiotic now too with all the cheap seats becomign available. Utter clown in charge!
did cheap seats REALLY become available and useable, or is it an urban myth ?
Yes they did. Bloke next in the Holte to me bought one about 2 hours before the game. Other reports on here of similar.
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The meaning evil are still reporting that we are going ahead with the North Stand extension!
Only 800 seats
Heck must have just decided to divide our planned expansion by 10. Basically the opposite of his approach to pricing.
They make me laugh when they say they need as much revenue as possible and all other clubs have bigger stadiums. Remind us who scrapped our stadium expansion?
Pricing tonight looking really idiotic now too with all the cheap seats becomign available. Utter clown in charge!
did cheap seats REALLY become available and useable, or is it an urban myth ?
Yes they did. Bloke next in the Holte to me bought one about 2 hours before the game. Other reports on here of similar.
Definitely happened and will keep on happening now someone's come up with the idea. Basically you go on the app and it's a simple buy or sell transaction because you can forward your ticket once only so all it does is link buyers and sellers. I don't know if the app makes any money but there was tickets on sale for 40 quid on Tuesday.
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The meaning evil are still reporting that we are going ahead with the North Stand extension!
Can anyone link to this article? I can't find it.
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I saw tickets (limited amount) on sale for as low as 33 quid on Tuesday afternoon. I imagine there would have been some kind of transaction fee on top of each ticket sale.
Bit of a piss take if you ask me, the initial asking price of 94 dabs kept me away from this one. Bayern and either or of Juve Celtic are my two games to attend this season at the over inflated admission price.
Something has to give here Villa, please listen to your supporters.
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It’s a shame these hideous fucking lizards are managing to cast a shadow over good times.
That line about hoping not to increase prices for later CL games is absolutely dripping with contempt and double speak.
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Did you hear the line from Heck that we're all "anti-American"?
The man talks through his arse. I'm just surprised he's not doing yoga so he can give himself a BJ. He's on borrowed time.
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‘We’re not all anti American…we just don’t like you, Chris’
Black font on an orange background.
Make it happen
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Did you hear the line from Heck that we're all "anti-American"?
The man talks through his arse. I'm just surprised he's not doing yoga so he can give himself a BJ. He's on borrowed time.
When did he say this? I must have missed it.
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He's made a few patronising comments recently.
The narrative of which is he is the financial expert doing the right thing and his critics are small minded obsessives with empty lives.
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He's made a few patronising comments recently.
The narrative of which is he is the financial expert doing the right thing and his critics are small minded obsessives with empty lives.
We might be small minded obsessives but we were here long before he came and will be here long after he leaves and if he wants us to part with our money buying up the 'product' and merch he needs to shift to hit his targets then he would do well to keep us onside and stop the high handed approach.
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He's made a few patronising comments recently.
The narrative of which is he is the financial expert doing the right thing and his critics are small minded obsessives with empty lives.
We might be small minded obsessives but we were here long before he came and will be here long after he leaves and if he wants us to part with our money buying up the 'product' and merch he needs to shift to hit his targets then he would do well to keep us onside and stop the high handed approach.
Agree but I think his audience is other practitioners in his industry and he wants to explain away the adverse publicity him and Villa have got recently. Unfortunately he’s never going to care what Villa supporters think.
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He's made a few patronising comments recently.
The narrative of which is he is the financial expert doing the right thing and his critics are small minded obsessives with empty lives.
Original version of this post i was asking for a link to the anti-american comment but I've found this, which I assume the poster was referring to:
https://www.crossingbroad.com/2024/07/this-isnt-wrexham-a-q-a-with-former-sixers-president-chris-heck-now-running-business-operations-for-the-premier-leagues-aston-villa.html
There’s only one thing that matters. It’s European football, and that’s it. That’s what matters. It really is part of their life, their lifestyle, it’s family, it’s generational. Everyone takes it really personally, and I respect that, and you have to be very careful with that. But I also want to win. If your compass is the right compass of ‘win” by also being respectful and doing things (the right way). I was reading something (recently), and I’ve been pretty good about getting off of social media. But I was getting destroyed for something that was wildly successful, just getting destroyed. But it’s 20 or 30 people killing you. So that’s kind of the game, the deal. The anti-American thing, it’s real. It’s real. And in many ways I get it. If you look at the way the (United States national team) has played this summer, you’re kind of like, ‘really? you’re the expert?‘ (laughing) But what I’ve been saying to everybody is that I’m not claiming to be the expert on the sporting side. I’m an expert on the business side. And I’m not apologizing for that. I do believe I surround myself with really good people. And I do believe that I will deliver results, and I do believe that they’ll be happy in the end. Change is tough. Change is hard.
I don't think its fair to say that he's calling fans 'small minded obsessives with no lives' hes just making the point that football is EXTREMELY important to people here. And I think the anti-american comment is fair too - quite a lot of people in english football have a natural aversion to americans getting involved in the sport - sometimes with good reason!
The far more concerning thing with the quote for me is that I actually think he understands us and supporter culture better than we might think, its just that where it comes into conflict with his objectives he doesnt care.
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He's made a few patronising comments recently.
The narrative of which is he is the financial expert doing the right thing and his critics are small minded obsessives with empty lives.
Got a link?
I'm starting to see a number of 'quotes' from the guy (like the anti-american one earlier) and often they turn out to be either things he's never said, or someone taking what hes actually said, then reading between the lines (and reading between those lines as well).
He definitely said the anti-american thing - I saw him say it here
https://www.youtube.com/live/2Ox5fSxGfpg?si=lF2qjRdCfLKSQl44&t=4258 (https://www.youtube.com/live/2Ox5fSxGfpg?si=lF2qjRdCfLKSQl44&t=4258)
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Yep as I said what he says literally is designed to create a narrative around the business expert and the unfair critics.
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I think he's confusing us being anti-Chris Heck with being anti-American. Some of the worst people I've ever known have been American and we got on fine.
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https://thefsa.org.uk/news/fan-groups-stage-stopexploitingloyalty-protests/
Don’t know if it will achieve anything but seems like a lot of recurring messages from lots of fanbases. Needs unity though…and definitely needs some more of the FAB to follow Dave’s principles and show it up for what it is
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https://thefsa.org.uk/news/fan-groups-stage-stopexploitingloyalty-protests/
I find Sing Fong's prices to be very reasonable. I think this is out of order.
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How do our prices compare with Liverpool, Man U and Newcastle.
These are probably the closest to us in terms of geography and performance even if the first two are much bigger brands.