Post by: cdbearsfan on September 24, 2024, 09:53:23 PM
Post by: The Edge on September 24, 2024, 09:55:16 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 24, 2024, 09:55:53 PM
Post by: Risso on September 24, 2024, 09:56:02 PM
Post by: Rigadon on September 24, 2024, 09:56:05 PM
Result is the only important thing and we won. Onto the next one.
Post by: Gareth on September 24, 2024, 09:56:11 PM
Soft pen
Post by: lovejoy on September 24, 2024, 09:56:17 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on September 24, 2024, 09:56:21 PM
Soft pen. Soft goal at the end.
Onwards. 6 wins out of 7 for the season. Let make it 7 out of 8 on Sunday
Post by: Ducksworthy on September 24, 2024, 09:56:40 PM
Post by: The Edge on September 24, 2024, 09:57:00 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2024, 09:57:20 PM
A win, but that was hard work and a hard watch.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2024, 09:57:41 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2024, 09:57:58 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 24, 2024, 09:58:22 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 24, 2024, 09:58:42 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 24, 2024, 09:58:58 PM
Serves them right anyway for disrespecting the club by using our old logo on the big screens.
Did they?
Bastards. Sub Human Scum.
What is it this week by the way?
Post by: VillaTim on September 24, 2024, 09:59:25 PM
Post by: eye digress on September 24, 2024, 10:00:10 PM
Never a peno, but Durán takes a good one, so we at least learned something.
Wasn’t their striker offside for their goal?
The Villa players generally didn’t seem to be on the same wavelength.
Post by: Dave on September 24, 2024, 10:00:54 PM
So at least it's nice for his story that we handed him a goal to remember.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 24, 2024, 10:01:11 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 24, 2024, 10:01:25 PM
Post by: steamer on September 24, 2024, 10:01:28 PM
Dreadful passing at times, mainly from the Pros
Bogarde was poor
Penalty was soft
anyway onwards.
Post by: Monty on September 24, 2024, 10:01:40 PM
Post by: Legion on September 24, 2024, 10:02:21 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on September 24, 2024, 10:03:10 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 24, 2024, 10:03:11 PM
Former Brighton striker on BBC Radio 5 Live
Quote
At 2-0 you don't really think that penalty decision matters but had VAR been in play, it would have been a draw and going to penalties.
Wycombe can taker plenty of credit but they have been made to rue their missed chances. In the end, the quality of Aston Villa shone through.
Hate that type of dumb logic. If we hadn't been given the pen, it doesn't follow that Wycombe would have scored.
Post by: VillaTim on September 24, 2024, 10:03:11 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 24, 2024, 10:03:13 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 24, 2024, 10:03:41 PM
We won and no injuries. Job done.
Carlos?
Post by: Demitri_C on September 24, 2024, 10:05:10 PM
That's a makeshift back four and keeper
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2024, 10:05:16 PM
We still haven't learned if Duran can play 90 mins
Well there was no way to learn that from tonight anyway.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 24, 2024, 10:05:21 PM
Where was Jaden ?Injured
Post by: Gareth on September 24, 2024, 10:05:34 PM
Where was Jaden ?
Same as he was on Saturday I’d guess, injured
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2024, 10:06:04 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on September 24, 2024, 10:06:28 PM
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Post by: Steve67 on September 24, 2024, 10:06:52 PM
Post by: The Edge on September 24, 2024, 10:07:01 PM
Not sure but I'm sure Mr Heck could have told them. They deserve at least a points deduction.Serves them right anyway for disrespecting the club by using our old logo on the big screens.
Did they?
Bastards. Sub Human Scum.
What is it this week by the way?
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 24, 2024, 10:07:16 PM
Duran takes a good pen . The full backs was ok , I do think Villa always drop down to the level of these teams .
Not sure If Unai really wants to stay in this comp but we will see.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 24, 2024, 10:07:37 PM
Two games singing the same song, glad it isn't Bolton next.Or Minstrel
Post by: waynejames on September 24, 2024, 10:07:42 PM
Well done Villa!
Onwards and upwards
Post by: Clampy on September 24, 2024, 10:08:58 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on September 24, 2024, 10:09:07 PM
Post by: mrfuse on September 24, 2024, 10:09:21 PM
Poor bogarde. Getting destroyed by villa fans on the Instagram page. The kids young and played with another youngster. Gotta give him a break. Not a easy game for them.
That's a makeshift back four and keeper
He was poor and I think that fact that hes playing first team football scares the hell out of everyone.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2024, 10:09:54 PM
Post by: Nev on September 24, 2024, 10:10:24 PM
I'd still love to win the League Cup again.
Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2024, 10:10:25 PM
Job done - learn much more about young players in a competitive game than a 5-0 win. Would have liked to see Barkley giving the centre backs more option to pass the ball out…
Soft pen
Barkley didn't want to know tonight. Duran and Bailey the same really. Suspect Emery is tearing strips off them in the changing room.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 24, 2024, 10:10:46 PM
Poor bogarde. Getting destroyed by villa fans on the Instagram page. The kids young and played with another youngster. Gotta give him a break. Not an easy game for them.
Wankers.
Post by: PhilVill on September 24, 2024, 10:11:17 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 24, 2024, 10:11:17 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on September 24, 2024, 10:11:41 PM
A sprinkling of bench players/subs (Barkley/Emi2/Maatesen/Ned) and the rest were youth players. Of course they don't play as well as our first team, possibly because they aren't anywhere near the first team?
A bigger challenge would have seen a different line up.
I can't imagine the League Cup is a huge priority. Nevertheless through to the next round, most of the first team rested and some good mins for Emi, JJ and Bailey, as well as debuts for several youth players.
Mission accomplished.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 24, 2024, 10:12:16 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 24, 2024, 10:12:34 PM
Poor bogarde. Getting destroyed by villa fans on the Instagram page. The kids young and played with another youngster. Gotta give him a break. Not a easy game for them.
That's a makeshift back four and keeper
He was poor and I think that fact that hes playing first team football scares the hell out of everyone.
In the league he has only played at right back. So lets not be too harsh.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 24, 2024, 10:12:47 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 24, 2024, 10:13:13 PM
Post by: Villafirst on September 24, 2024, 10:14:25 PM
Poor bogarde. Getting destroyed by villa fans on the Instagram page. The kids young and played with another youngster. Gotta give him a break. Not a easy game for them.
That's a makeshift back four and keeper
They're not proper Villa fans. Too thick to see we fielded a mostly young squad including the bench.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2024, 10:15:14 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 24, 2024, 10:16:52 PM
3 games from Wembley.
Four, I think the semi-finals are still two legs.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2024, 10:17:37 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 24, 2024, 10:18:08 PM
Post by: Astnor on September 24, 2024, 10:19:03 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 24, 2024, 10:19:19 PM
When's the draw?
Tomorrow, after the Liverpool-West Ham game.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2024, 10:19:23 PM
I think Bogarde has what it takes to be a regular in time, he was good with the ball and not so good without it but we are through and he'll have learned a lot. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger and all that.
His two major things to work on are positional sense and decision making. He makes poor mistakes, but he has lots of good attributes too. He definitely shouldn’t be starting top flight games, but being in and around the squad should help him.
Post by: PeterWithe on September 24, 2024, 10:20:18 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 24, 2024, 10:20:29 PM
Cheers BVWhen's the draw?
Tomorrow, after the Liverpool-West Ham game.
Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2024, 10:21:00 PM
Poor bogarde. Getting destroyed by villa fans on the Instagram page. The kids young and played with another youngster. Gotta give him a break. Not a easy game for them.
That's a makeshift back four and keeper
He was poor and I think that fact that hes playing first team football scares the hell out of everyone.
That's very harsh. I thought both CBs were decent for about 80mins in bringing the ball out from the back. Barkley hid in front of them and did Duran hold up a single ball all night? Did seem strange that Wycombe weren't bothered about properly pressing us until very late on. If they did earlier we would have been in trouble.
Post by: VillaTim on September 24, 2024, 10:21:40 PM
When's the draw?We get Man U away , for a change .
Post by: PeterWithe on September 24, 2024, 10:21:53 PM
I think Bogarde has what it takes to be a regular in time, he was good with the ball and not so good without it but we are through and he'll have learned a lot. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger and all that.
His two major things to work on are positional sense and decision making. He makes poor mistakes, but he has lots of good attributes too. He definitely shouldn’t be starting top flight games, but being in and around the squad should help him.
Perhaps not but Ive no problem with him starting these games, and making the odd mistake in them.
Post by: django on September 24, 2024, 10:22:55 PM
Those games are nearly always hard watches. If you win 5-0 it feels a bit empty, and if you somehow lose then it’s doom and gloom.
Result is the only important thing and we won. Onto the next one.
This perfectly sums it up for me.
The players largely did ok individually, but when you have that many unfamiliar players the performances are always like tonight.
Post by: Baldy on September 24, 2024, 10:23:10 PM
Unai is treating this competition as a training session and no more.
We know where his priorities lie.
Can we really blame him?
Post by: PeterWithe on September 24, 2024, 10:23:33 PM
Poor bogarde. Getting destroyed by villa fans on the Instagram page. The kids young and played with another youngster. Gotta give him a break. Not a easy game for them.
That's a makeshift back four and keeper
He was poor and I think that fact that hes playing first team football scares the hell out of everyone.
That's very harsh. I thought both CBs were decent for about 80mins in bringing the ball out from the back. Barkley hid in front of them and did Duran hold up a single ball all night? Did seem strange that Wycombe weren't bothered about properly pressing us until very late on. If they did earlier we would have been in trouble.
I thought Wycombes tactic was to let the CBs have the ball and press the option of the ball into our midfielders. And it worked pretty well.
Post by: The Edge on September 24, 2024, 10:23:42 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 24, 2024, 10:24:20 PM
I think we can knock any thoughts of a 'quadruple' on the head.Agree. A good run out for the youth,but otherwise it's a distraction.
Unai is treating this competition as a training session and no more.
We know where his priorities lie.
Can we really blame him?
Post by: waynejames on September 24, 2024, 10:24:20 PM
"Hey Hendrie, leave those kids alone"
Post by: paul_e on September 24, 2024, 10:24:29 PM
Terrible goal to concede, Swinkels had two chances to head it and Bogarde should also have got closer and got a challenge in. Not good at all.
Bogarde did get a challenge in and then the ball seemed to hit their guy in the arm and fall nicely for him.
Post by: brontebilly on September 24, 2024, 10:25:45 PM
Poor bogarde. Getting destroyed by villa fans on the Instagram page. The kids young and played with another youngster. Gotta give him a break. Not a easy game for them.
That's a makeshift back four and keeper
He was poor and I think that fact that hes playing first team football scares the hell out of everyone.
That's very harsh. I thought both CBs were decent for about 80mins in bringing the ball out from the back. Barkley hid in front of them and did Duran hold up a single ball all night? Did seem strange that Wycombe weren't bothered about properly pressing us until very late on. If they did earlier we would have been in trouble.
I thought Wycombes tactic was to let the CBs have the ball and press the option of the ball into our midfielders. And it worked pretty well.
Not much point continuing it after Buendia scored. We had a very easy 1-0 lead, rookie keeper and 2 x CBs passing ball between themselves for 20 mins.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on September 24, 2024, 10:25:51 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 24, 2024, 10:27:26 PM
The milky bar kid who came on in midfield looked super tidy. Really neat, quick feet and good decision making. Very assured for a 17 year old.Very Bannanesque
Post by: Demitri_C on September 24, 2024, 10:28:36 PM
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Post by: john2710 on September 24, 2024, 10:37:35 PM
Good experience for the young lads.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 24, 2024, 10:39:31 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/wycombe-wanderers-vs-aston-villa/521504
Post by: mrfuse on September 24, 2024, 10:40:40 PM
Poor bogarde. Getting destroyed by villa fans on the Instagram page. The kids young and played with another youngster. Gotta give him a break. Not a easy game for them.
That's a makeshift back four and keeper
He was poor and I think that fact that hes playing first team football scares the hell out of everyone.
In the league he has only played at right back. So lets not be too harsh.
Unfortunately the level we are at now you have to be harsh.
Right back is a massive problem. Cash isint good enough, Bogarde should not be playing there and if Konsa playing there means Carlos starts that's a major worry.
Bogarde needs 10 minutes here and there not full games. I hope he improves massively but im not seeing a player currently.
Post by: paul_e on September 24, 2024, 10:43:14 PM
Not a great performance, but it didn't need to be. Thought we were comfortable until we eased off after the second goal.
Good experience for the young lads.
Agree, we were a bit ropey for 10mins in the first half and again at the end but otherwise we were ok but just couldn't get our creative players into the game despite dominating possession.
I think part of the easing off late on was that Barkley, Swinkels and Bogarde looked knackered.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 24, 2024, 10:50:01 PM
Poor bogarde. Getting destroyed by villa fans on the Instagram page. The kids young and played with another youngster. Gotta give him a break. Not a easy game for them.
That's a makeshift back four and keeper
Wankers.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 24, 2024, 10:52:58 PM
Post by: Risso on September 24, 2024, 10:53:37 PM
Post by: Legion on September 24, 2024, 10:53:44 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 24, 2024, 10:56:03 PM
Bet we get manure spurs or chelsea away
A mid table PL side would be ideal.
Post by: AV84 on September 24, 2024, 11:28:26 PM
Job done - learn much more about young players in a competitive game than a 5-0 win. Would have liked to see Barkley giving the centre backs more option to pass the ball out…
Soft pen
Barkley didn't want to know tonight. Duran and Bailey the same really. Suspect Emery is tearing strips off them in the changing room.
Emery made it pretty clear that this competition is bottom of our priorities. I'm not sure you can publicly state that and then tear strips off players for half arsing it.
Post by: villa for life on September 24, 2024, 11:54:05 PM
Post by: Risso on September 24, 2024, 11:56:34 PM
On an evening like today, why can’t Hause get a game at centre back? Is he really worse than Carlos, Bogarde and Swinkels?
Yes.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 24, 2024, 11:57:47 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 24, 2024, 11:59:47 PM
Post by: BC Villain on September 25, 2024, 12:11:40 AM
Job done - learn much more about young players in a competitive game than a 5-0 win. Would have liked to see Barkley giving the centre backs more option to pass the ball out…
Soft pen
Barkley didn't want to know tonight. Duran and Bailey the same really. Suspect Emery is tearing strips off them in the changing room.
Emery made it pretty clear that this competition is bottom of our priorities. I'm not sure you can publicly state that and then tear strips off players for half arsing it.
Especially when he's failed to take either the FA Cup or league cup seriously since he's been here, even though he's publicly said he wants to win a trophy.
Post by: john e on September 25, 2024, 12:14:06 AM
Game was a painful watch
Atmosphere was extremely flat
I was extremely flat as I’ve got a very bad head cold and felt groggy all night
I only live 40 miles away but getting home was a pain in the arse as well with all the road closures
All in all a night to forget but at least we won
Post by: VillaTim on September 25, 2024, 12:51:22 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 25, 2024, 12:59:35 AM
Maatsen's first competitive start since the Champions League final. Great for Buendia, Barkley, Bailey, Duran, Gauci to get some minutes.
10 changes, so we were hardly likely to play free-flowing football, and with the kids even less likely. Emery likely hardly did any preparation either, focus on Sunday and next Wednesday.
Job done, let's see what the draw gives us.
Carlos injury is a concern.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 25, 2024, 01:01:29 AM
On an evening like today, why can’t Hause get a game at centre back? Is he really worse than Carlos, Bogarde and Swinkels?
I suspect Hause's career is over due to injury, and he's (understandably) just seeing his contract out, as he's probably not getting another one from anyone.
Post by: Matt C on September 25, 2024, 02:30:42 AM
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Post by: Demitri_C on September 25, 2024, 06:16:17 AM
Which instagram page? Can't see anything untoward on his page.
Not his own instagram- the villa result part announcing the final score
Post by: darren woolley on September 25, 2024, 06:32:44 AM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on September 25, 2024, 06:33:15 AM
Thought Kosta was solid and clearly is a better option at RB than Bogarde. Would much prefer to see him get minutes. Not convinced that Bogarde is good enough at either position to make it in the first team, but he is still young.
If Bogarde is going to make it I would assume it would be at right back, lacks the physicality to be a top centre back.
Post by: Perthvillan on September 25, 2024, 07:23:09 AM
Most of it was a hard watch but the result is the only important thing in the end.
I thought all of our youngsters performed well and would have been a great experience for them.
We got lucky with that penalty as it wasn't one.
It reminded me of a similar penalty from the opening day of the 2003/04 season when Gareth Barry tripped himself up in the penalty area at Portsmouth and the ref got it wrong and awarded us a pen which Gareth took himself and scored.
UTV
Post by: Allan C on September 25, 2024, 08:03:48 AM
Post by: London Villan on September 25, 2024, 08:10:13 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 25, 2024, 08:11:23 AM
Thought Kosta was solid and clearly is a better option at RB than Bogarde. Would much prefer to see him get minutes. Not convinced that Bogarde is good enough at either position to make it in the first team, but he is still young.
If Bogarde is going to make it I would assume it would be at right back, lacks the physicality to be a top centre back.
I think its a hard one to judge in yesterday' when he had swinkels as his cb partner. We would get a better idea if he was alongside pau or mings at cb
Post by: lovejoy on September 25, 2024, 08:17:42 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 25, 2024, 08:22:20 AM
On an evening like today, why can’t Hause get a game at centre back? Is he really worse than Carlos, Bogarde and Swinkels?
But Bogarde and or Swinkels ‘might’ develop, in time, into players who will either play regularly for the first team or be sold for profit. Hause will do neither, even if fit playing him adds nothing.
Post by: boozey182 on September 25, 2024, 08:32:36 AM
I thought the two CBs were much better than they've been given credit for. I was worried when I saw the team, to be honest - centre back is such an important role for us, given how we set up, so to leave it to two players that have never started for us in that position, I thought was a massive (albeit understandable) gamble. But other than the mini-disaster that was their goal, I thought the two of them were pretty composed (the most important attribute for a Villa CB) for the majority of the game, against very physical opponents with plenty of experience. Lesser kids would have crumbled, but they stood up to the task admirably.
I thought Kosta looked decent, as well as Young (love a direct winger that runs at his full back - I think we under used him to be honest). All of those kids will benefit from the minutes they got tonight, against the type of opponents that they just won't have come up against very often.
Bailey is a bit of a worry, as he hasn't found any kind of form this season yet. It's been stop-start for him, so it's understandable, but he was one of our main threats last season, and we really need him to start contributing. Barkley was little help to the kids, I felt. If I was being kind I'd say that he seemed to treat the game purely as a way to build up fitness, like a pre-season game. If I was being harsh, I'd say he strolled around like it was all beneath him. His form so far leads me to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I think it was really important to get the win though - even if we aren't prioritising this competition, it could prove to be so valuable to give minutes to players like Mings, Kamara, Jaden, Barkley, Buendia, Duran, Kosta, Bogarde, Gauci etc, that might not get many otherwise. We will need all of them at some point, so getting them primed and ready to go could help us in the 'more important' matches. We have to look for the benefits that this competition has to offer (other than it being an actual trophy that we could win), and not see it as a burden.
Post by: Ads on September 25, 2024, 08:34:48 AM
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 25, 2024, 08:38:03 AM
On an evening like today, why can’t Hause get a game at centre back? Is he really worse than Carlos, Bogarde and Swinkels?
He had a booking to DJ at the Dog & Pigeon in Rugeley.
Post by: Dogtanian on September 25, 2024, 08:54:01 AM
The key thing I think is that his contract is up in June and he won't be getting another one. So even if he was available to play, there would be no reason for him to be getting minutes over players we are trying to develop.
Post by: dicedlam on September 25, 2024, 08:55:05 AM
I'm not 100% sure, but if you take a closer look, it looks like at the last moment just before he hits the ball he sort of does a 'no look pass' before striking it.
What a cheeky fucker if he meant it!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 25, 2024, 09:07:55 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 25, 2024, 09:23:37 AM
Kids did okay. Adults trying desperately to avoid being out injured for the Bayern game.
Hope the adults don’t replicate that in the Ipswich game if that was the case.
Post by: olaftab on September 25, 2024, 09:25:26 AM
Adults trying desperately to avoid being out injured for the Bayern game.You are right about that. Bayern is looming large on the horizon and I believe it could also impact our game on Sunday against Ipswich.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 25, 2024, 09:34:54 AM
Probably the most bored I've been at a game for many a year. It was utterly tedious.
I dozed off. Oh well.
I was awake to see the shambolic defending at the end but i didn't realise Swinkels has had an ACL so like everyone with that injury he'll need time to be fair. Bogarde has shown enough in other games to suggest he might have something so not too worried. I was expecting to see JD tear it up, which didn't happen, but he did get another goal at least.
I do like the look of this young keeper though on the whole.
Post by: john e on September 25, 2024, 09:35:09 AM
There’s probably 200mill plus players there so I don’t go along with this can’t expect any better as we only had kids out there, yes there was kids but that was also more than half the team in and around the first team
The squads a lot stronger now than it used to be and we should be doing a lot better than that boring piss poor display last night
Post by: Ads on September 25, 2024, 09:37:11 AM
Post by: Mister E on September 25, 2024, 10:14:43 AM
The concerning bit was the poor leadership of Onana, Barkley and Bailey: these 3 really should had grasped the game by the scruff of its neck and driven a better team performance and outcome.
We also learned that Duran's role as target man is not yet fully developed: his first touch often let him down, and the physicality of the defending CBs seemed to unnerve him.
And, Buendia is still a little easily knocked off the ball, albeit he is finding his way back in the game.
Overall, not great but some positives.
Post by: Drummond on September 25, 2024, 10:31:00 AM
We didn't need to step up the pace, we controlled the game, it was good experience for the younger players and a warm up and stretch of the legs for the seniors.
We don't need, in September, and in the middle of a run of Premier League and Champions League games, to be running ourselves into the ground.
As for being boring, that's all that's needed.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 25, 2024, 10:36:30 AM
Post by: Dave on September 25, 2024, 11:00:52 AM
Chelsea are giving it the big one battering Barrow at home. Good for them.
Yup, I imagine if we'd played two French international centre-backs who'd cost us a combined £70m instead of two children from our youth team and they'd put in that slightly-dodgy-but-no-harm-done performance against a League One side, then I'd be a bit more concerned than I am.
Also a sighting of the lesser-spotted Chukwuemeka off the bench for them yesterday.
Post by: Dogtanian on September 25, 2024, 11:07:56 AM
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2024, 11:27:49 AM
I thought that, despite the goal conceded, Swinkels showed some good stuff; Borland looked good in possession; Nedeljkovic and Maatsen are good fullbacks; Gauci generally looked secure.
The concerning bit was the poor leadership of Onana, Barkley and Bailey: these 3 really should had grasped the game by the scruff of its neck and driven a better team performance and outcome.
We also learned that Duran's role as target man is not yet fully developed: his first touch often let him down, and the physicality of the defending CBs seemed to unnerve him.
And, Buendia is still a little easily knocked off the ball, albeit he is finding his way back in the game.
Overall, not great but some positives.
I'm not sure it unnerved as much as when they shoved him the ref allowed it, when he did it back they got free kicks. There were 2-3 times he outmuscled a defender, the whistle went and he turned to the ref looking confused as to why he wasn't allowed to compete.
Yep agreed Drummond. We expended the energy we needed to get through. It wasn’t great and it didn’t need to be to get through. Chelsea are giving it the big one battering Barrow at home. Good for them. Pep today said what Emery is likely thinking that he doesn't want to waste energy on this competition which sad, but true. Managers at the top end are making this low priority and it will show in the players picked and the disjointed performances.
and this is why I'd be ok with the teams in Europe being dropped from this cup. Our squad last night showed how we were taking it, a handful of first team players who need the minutes and then a bunch of young players with about 10 appearances between them.
Post by: LeeB on September 25, 2024, 11:39:16 AM
Post by: john e on September 25, 2024, 11:44:18 AM
Personally I thought our team was pretty strong last night, and we got to see a few youngsters making the debut when else are they going to play
He’s not going to throw them in against Bayern or a Premier League game at the moment, so the cup games are opportunities for players on the fringes
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2024, 11:52:12 AM
But the usefulness of the carabao cup especially in the early rounds is that you can play a mixture of kids and players that need minutes
Personally I thought our team was pretty strong last night, and we got to see a few youngsters making the debut when else are they going to play
He’s not going to throw them in against Bayern or a Premier League game at the moment, so the cup games are opportunities for players on the fringes
Which is fine so long as we know that means performances like last night and that it means we're 'disrespecting' the cup like all the big teams do (until the semi-final).
Post by: john e on September 25, 2024, 12:00:10 PM
But the usefulness of the carabao cup especially in the early rounds is that you can play a mixture of kids and players that need minutes
Personally I thought our team was pretty strong last night, and we got to see a few youngsters making the debut when else are they going to play
He’s not going to throw them in against Bayern or a Premier League game at the moment, so the cup games are opportunities for players on the fringes
Which is fine so long as we know that means performances like last night and that it means we're 'disrespecting' the cup like all the big teams do (until the semi-final).
I was disappointed with the performance last night, I don’t think we disrespected the cup I thought we played a strong team
The players we had out should’ve done better in my view, but that’s just my personal opinion, people that were happy with that performance fair enough
All I do know is we have the most demanding manager in the league, that’s why he uses the word all the time
He literally said at the weekend that we played shit in the first half of our game against Wolves, I can’t imagine for one minute that Emery would be happy with some of the stuff we saw last night,
At the end of the day his standards are obviously far higher than yours whereas you might be happy sacking the cup of he will demand high standards in every game from every player
That’s the difference
Post by: LeeB on September 25, 2024, 12:08:51 PM
I found it really funny.
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2024, 12:09:41 PM
But the usefulness of the carabao cup especially in the early rounds is that you can play a mixture of kids and players that need minutes
Personally I thought our team was pretty strong last night, and we got to see a few youngsters making the debut when else are they going to play
He’s not going to throw them in against Bayern or a Premier League game at the moment, so the cup games are opportunities for players on the fringes
Which is fine so long as we know that means performances like last night and that it means we're 'disrespecting' the cup like all the big teams do (until the semi-final).
I was disappointed with the performance last night, I don’t think we disrespected the cup I thought we played a strong team
The players we had out should’ve done better in my view, but that’s just my personal opinion, people that were happy with that performance fair enough
All I do know is we have the most demanding manager in the league, that’s why he uses the word all the time
He literally said at the weekend that we played shit in the first half of our game against Wolves, I can’t imagine for one minute that Emery would be happy with some of the stuff we saw last night,
At the end of the day his standards are obviously far higher than yours whereas you might be happy sacking the cup of he will demand high standards in every game from every player
That’s the difference
It's not about being happy or not with the performance, it's about accepting it as a massive possiblity all along because it's just not very important to us. I doubt Emery put all that much effort into the game at all, and that's reflected by the performance. Take a look at how we played in the cup (and european) games early last season compared to the league and ask yourself why we looked disjointed so often in those games if Emery was putting in the same preperation.
Of course it's totally in character for you to play the 'better fan' card though so I think I'll just leave it here.
Post by: Bad English on September 25, 2024, 12:11:06 PM
There was a point last night when the camera was on Emery and he was giving some instruction to a player off screen, and you could see he was a bit exasperated but was trying to be encouraging to the player in question as well, as it's probably one of the kids, but when he'd finished and turned away the look on his face said "For fuck's sake, useless bastard".This sounds like my job.
I found it really funny.
Post by: LeeB on September 25, 2024, 12:12:31 PM
There was a point last night when the camera was on Emery and he was giving some instruction to a player off screen, and you could see he was a bit exasperated but was trying to be encouraging to the player in question as well, as it's probably one of the kids, but when he'd finished and turned away the look on his face said "For fuck's sake, useless bastard".This sounds like my job.
I found it really funny.
Yeah, I can believe that!
Post by: UK Redsox on September 25, 2024, 12:29:40 PM
We won and no injuries. Job done.
I thought that DC was injured in the warm-up
Post by: Dogtanian on September 25, 2024, 12:32:11 PM
There was a point last night when the camera was on Emery and he was giving some instruction to a player off screen, and you could see he was a bit exasperated but was trying to be encouraging to the player in question as well, as it's probably one of the kids, but when he'd finished and turned away the look on his face said "For fuck's sake, useless bastard".
I found it really funny.
I think that's when he was speaking to the ref.
Post by: Risso on September 25, 2024, 12:40:16 PM
There was a point last night when the camera was on Emery and he was giving some instruction to a player off screen, and you could see he was a bit exasperated but was trying to be encouraging to the player in question as well, as it's probably one of the kids, but when he'd finished and turned away the look on his face said "For fuck's sake, useless bastard".
I think that was after we scored, and he realised we were going to have to through this whole rigmarole again...
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 25, 2024, 12:55:52 PM
We won and no injuries. Job done.
What about Diego Carlos?
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 25, 2024, 01:03:06 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 25, 2024, 01:07:25 PM
We won and no injuries. Job done.
I thought that DC was injured in the warm-up
No im fine, thank you for your concern 😁
Post by: fredm on September 25, 2024, 04:19:45 PM
Post by: Dave on September 25, 2024, 04:22:51 PM
I think seeing Buendia going through last nights game without getting involved very much, will show what Mings and Kamara will be like when they come back. It will be several weeks before they can hit it smack on again, so people should not expect them to hit the button straight away.
Although I seem to remember Kamara coming back and fitting in like a hand in a glove after his last long-term absence.
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2024, 05:33:51 PM
Post by: jon collett on September 25, 2024, 05:39:19 PM