Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 09:40:59 AM
Should it be Watkins or Duran or Both?
Emery has made his comments . What do you think ?
Emery on the competition between Ollie Watkins and Jhon Duran up front: "I'm happy, I want it. I want our players competing, each one to increase and add quality for us. Of course they are two strikers in good form and last year they played together sometimes. Last year their connection wasn't so good on the pitch."
"But Jhon Duran is getting mature, he is getting confidence. Ollie Watkins, after his small problems and after he came trying to get fitness quick, progressively he is feeling better and they can play individually or they can play together. Of course I want the best of them from here until the end of the season and I am happy it is those players in this form."
Post by: LeeB on September 14, 2024, 09:41:31 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 09:42:23 AM
Pau Torres or Mings and the Coutinho or Buendia debate there's the question of who starts and can they or will they play together effectively.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 09:43:27 AM
Tldr
Should Watkins or Duran or both start? The thread title provides the question raised for discussion there Lee.
Post by: TaxDodger on September 14, 2024, 09:50:56 AM
Maybe restrict yourself to fortnightly trolling or something.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 09:55:39 AM
Duran the form and upcoming striker the pretender one could say
Watkins the main man and established player.
There is competition now and it's a discussion to be had for those who want it.
Post by: Olneythelonely on September 14, 2024, 10:18:31 AM
Tldr
Should Watkins or Duran or both start? The thread title provides the question raised for discussion there Lee.
TLDR
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 10:48:22 AM
Duran has such a high potential and his goals to minutes ratio is outstanding. Then we have Watkins who is proven but slowly getting back to form and fitness. He now hasn't scored in 8 games in the league.
Recent form:
Duran has scored the winner in two away games this season and made the difference against Liverpool last home game of the season
Jhon Duran has scored seven Premier League goals despite making only three career starts in the division. His tally of six goals as a substitute since the start of last season is the most of any Premier League player
Watkins has not scored for Villa since April in the league
He last scored for Villa in early May in Conference league semi.
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2024, 10:54:51 AM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 11:05:03 AM
In a similar vein to should Watkins or Ings or both start ?
Pau Torres or Mings and the Coutinho or Buendia debate there's the question of who starts and can they or will they play together effectively.
For heavens sake!
It's a continuous debate
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 11:07:28 AM
It could be Watkins or Duran, Watkins and Duran, Watkins and A N Other, Duran and A N Other or A N Other or An Other or A N Other and A N Other or neither, depending on who Emery picks.
Thank you BE at least you're discussing said topic.
It certainly interesting the choice to be made and that Emery said yesterday "Of course they are two strikers in good form and last year they played together sometimes. Last year their connection wasn't so good on the pitch."
This prompted my curiosity and think it's deemed very worthy of discussing.. thank you for at least understanding!
Up The Villa!
Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2024, 11:08:12 AM
This is for the whole season!In a similar vein to should Watkins or Ings or both start ?
Pau Torres or Mings and the Coutinho or Buendia debate there's the question of who starts and can they or will they play together effectively.
For heavens sake!
It's a continuous debate
and over the whole seaso the answer to the thread title is yes.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 11:14:17 AM
Goodness have we lost the ability to debate and discuss?This is for the whole season!In a similar vein to should Watkins or Ings or both start ?
Pau Torres or Mings and the Coutinho or Buendia debate there's the question of who starts and can they or will they play together effectively.
For heavens sake!
It's a continuous debate
and over the whole seaso the answer to the thread title is yes.
Emery said yesterday they can play individually or they can play together. So that's what I'm asking and encouraging debate to who you would start or if would play them together.
Maybe it needs a few more matches for people to get on board but I think it's quite a discussion topic.
Duran level is very high and he would be a likely start for a lot of other Prem teams. Certainly over half the teams in league would love him. I even think he would start for Chelsea or Man Utd maybe even Spurs or Arsenal and Liverpool
Same as Watkins being better than what most have in the league:
Duran or Jackson - Duran
Duran or Solanke - Duran
Duran or Jota /Nunez - Duran
Duran or Havertz - Duran
I would say Isak is on par. And only Haaland better than either Watkins or Duran
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 14, 2024, 11:17:20 AM
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2024, 11:17:35 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 14, 2024, 11:18:19 AM
It could be Watkins or Duran, Watkins and Duran, Watkins and A N Other, Duran and A N Other or A N Other or An Other or A N Other and A N Other or neither, depending on who Emery picks.Done.
Close the thread.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 14, 2024, 11:19:19 AM
I’m merely trying to debate a very important topic of discussion!
I will leave now and return after the next cyber update I mean international break.
No need for further discussion . Up the Villa!
Post by: LostInMunich on September 14, 2024, 11:22:02 AM
The guy's posting style is not going to change. This is who he is. If you don't like it, just ignore it.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 14, 2024, 11:23:27 AM
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2024, 11:24:30 AM
The rotational fouling of Footy is a really gruesome and depressing aspect of this site.
The guy's posting style is not going to change. This is who he is. If you don't like it, just ignore it.
And if you don't like the replies, the same goes for you.
Post by: paul_e on September 14, 2024, 11:35:16 AM
Goodness have we lost the ability to debate and discuss?
Emery said yesterday they can play individually or they can play together. So that's what I'm asking and encouraging debate to who you would start or if would play them together.
Maybe it needs a few more matches for people to get on board but I think it's quite a discussion topic.
Duran level is very high and he would be a likely start for a lot of other Prem teams. Certainly over half the teams in league would love him. I even think he would start for Chelsea or Man Utd maybe even Spurs or Arsenal and Liverpool
Same as Watkins being better than what most have in the league:
Duran or Jackson - Duran
Duran or Solanke - Duran
Duran or Jota /Nunez - Duran
Duran or Havertz - Duran
I would say Isak is on par. And only Haaland better than either Watkins or Duran
I'm not sure you've ever had it. That said in an individual match thread there's an opportunity to discuss what might be best baased on who we're playing, who's in form, if there are any injuries, what the schedule looks like, etc. All of which fits into the well established mtch threads we have on the forum.
If you want to spread the discussion to cover the whole season then there's nothing to discuss, Watkins will start games, Duran will start games and sometimes they'll both start games so the only answer that makes any sense is yes.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 11:38:00 AM
This really just could have been discussed in the match thread, and your constant drive to start unnecessary threads, and then continuously bump them is extremely tiresome. When's your next holiday, out of interest?Well, I never meant to annoy you or anyone, it just came to mind after reading the comments about Watkins and Duran and thinking it was a good debate. I only wanted to contribute to the discussion. I seem to get on the wrong side of you and others without intending to, and I wonder how much is my fault and how much is due to people's differing views on what constitutes good discussion.
The only intentions are positive for the HandV community. I will not start any more threads until the end of October! As a challenge to myself and that I hopefully be treated more fairly in doing so
However, I will bump any threads that I consider necessary, and they are not all mine I just do it because its the thread that most appropriate to put my thoughts . So at moment Tielemans and Emery's appearance on the main discussion board first page appeals to me in particular because I see them as key.
Okay, let's get back to being respectful and reasonable?
I won't write in this topic till after the game, but most likely tomorrow, thank you.
And apologies to anyone who misunderstands my aim to dispute topics about which I am fascinated or excited! But please don't drive me away and not make me feel welcome, it's not a great feeling.
I will always listen to reasonable suggestions and people being honest. I will also do whatever moderator orders but I certainly didn't intend to spoil site.
Good Day
Up the Villa!
Post by: LostInMunich on September 14, 2024, 11:38:11 AM
The rotational fouling of Footy is a really gruesome and depressing aspect of this site.
The guy's posting style is not going to change. This is who he is. If you don't like it, just ignore it.
And if you don't like the replies, the same goes for you.
Are you offering to ignore Footy? Seems the best solution: then I won't need to ignore your playground insults.
Post by: Bad English on September 14, 2024, 12:00:10 PM
Goodness have we lost the ability to debate and discuss?I don't think so. It could be part demographic, part technology as the forum ages and gradually becomes home to Millenials and various lost souls should really be on TikTok or Instagram 'Reels'.
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 14, 2024, 12:07:15 PM
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2024, 12:29:21 PM
The rotational fouling of Footy is a really gruesome and depressing aspect of this site.
The guy's posting style is not going to change. This is who he is. If you don't like it, just ignore it.
And if you don't like the replies, the same goes for you.
Are you offering to ignore Footy? Seems the best solution: then I won't need to ignore your playground insults.
The ‘you’ in my sentence was a huge clue as to who I was talking about.
Post by: Stu on September 14, 2024, 03:02:11 PM
This really just could have been discussed in the match thread, and your constant drive to start unnecessary threads, and then continuously bump them is extremely tiresome. When's your next holiday, out of interest?Well, I never meant to annoy you or anyone, it just came to mind after reading the comments about Watkins and Duran and thinking it was a good debate. I only wanted to contribute to the discussion. I seem to get on the wrong side of you and others without intending to, and I wonder how much is my fault and how much is due to people's differing views on what constitutes good discussion.
The only intentions are positive for the HandV community. I will not start any more threads until the end of October! As a challenge to myself and that I hopefully be treated more fairly in doing so
However, I will bump any threads that I consider necessary, and they are not all mine I just do it because its the thread that most appropriate to put my thoughts . So at moment Tielemans and Emery's appearance on the main discussion board first page appeals to me in particular because I see them as key.
Okay, let's get back to being respectful and reasonable?
I won't write in this topic till after the game, but most likely tomorrow, thank you.
And apologies to anyone who misunderstands my aim to dispute topics about which I am fascinated or excited! But please don't drive me away and not make me feel welcome, it's not a great feeling.
I will always listen to reasonable suggestions and people being honest. I will also do whatever moderator orders but I certainly didn't intend to spoil site.
Good Day
Up the Villa!
Hey Footy-Vill,
Let’s get straight to the point: it’s clear from your post that you’re frustrated with how things have been going. While I get that you’re passionate and want to contribute to the discussion, it’s crucial to recognize how your approach can affect the overall tone of the forum.
If you want to be taken seriously and avoid rubbing people the wrong way, it’s important to think about how your comments come across. Sometimes, it’s not just about the content but also the delivery. If you want to bump threads or add your thoughts, make sure it’s done in a way that adds value rather than stirs unnecessary conflict.
It’s good that you’re willing to take a step back and reflect on how you’re contributing, but let’s make sure your future posts are more constructive and respectful. Everyone’s here to enjoy the discussion and support our team, so let’s keep that in mind and avoid making things more complicated than they need to be.
Let’s move forward with a better attitude and focus on keeping things respectful and reasonable. No one wants to drive you away, but we do want a positive and engaging environment for all.
Post by: Mellin on September 14, 2024, 03:10:07 PM
Post by: LostInMunich on September 14, 2024, 03:51:17 PM
The rotational fouling of Footy is a really gruesome and depressing aspect of this site.
The guy's posting style is not going to change. This is who he is. If you don't like it, just ignore it.
And if you don't like the replies, the same goes for you.
Are you offering to ignore Footy? Seems the best solution: then I won't need to ignore your playground insults.
The ‘you’ in my sentence was a huge clue as to who I was talking about.
Your problem is Footy. My problem is you.
If you ignore Footy, rather than queuing up to give him a kicking every time he does something you don't like, then I no longer have a problem. That feels like the best solution to me.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 14, 2024, 04:31:19 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2024, 04:47:47 PM
Or, alternatively, you could just carry on being exactly who you are and if you don't fit in their box...fuck 'em.
Yes.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 14, 2024, 07:05:50 PM
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2024, 08:20:37 PM
The rotational fouling of Footy is a really gruesome and depressing aspect of this site.
The guy's posting style is not going to change. This is who he is. If you don't like it, just ignore it.
And if you don't like the replies, the same goes for you.
Are you offering to ignore Footy? Seems the best solution: then I won't need to ignore your playground insults.
The ‘you’ in my sentence was a huge clue as to who I was talking about.
Your problem is Footy. My problem is you.
If you ignore Footy, rather than queuing up to give him a kicking every time he does something you don't like, then I no longer have a problem. That feels like the best solution to me.
I’m so sorry, but solving your problems isn’t that high on my list of things to worry about. I’d also point that I’m far from being the first or indeed the only poster to have an issue with FV’s posts.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 14, 2024, 08:30:06 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 15, 2024, 01:23:15 AM
Exactly what I was thinking !
Would have had a hat-trick today given the same chances Watkins had.
Deserves to start for a few games. We've got some nice fixtures now and Watkins can come on from the bench.
For me it's clear.
Big D must start.
Completely disagree. I think we get the best out of Duran when he's coming off the bench with a chip on his shoulder. Keep him angry!
It would probably keep Ollie on his toes too. He's still the main man but he's going to have to perform at his very best week in week out if he's got Duran doing that every week.
It's fascinating to see what going to happen and if both will play !
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 15, 2024, 01:28:10 AM
Hardly a case closed is it ! It has only just began.It could be Watkins or Duran, Watkins and Duran, Watkins and A N Other, Duran and A N Other or A N Other or An Other or A N Other and A N Other or neither, depending on who Emery picks.Done.
Close the thread.
Such a worthy discussion join in !
Should it be Watkins ? Duran? or both?
Would have had a hat-trick today given the same chances Watkins had.
Deserves to start for a few games. We've got some nice fixtures now and Watkins can come on from the bench.
For me it's clear.
Big D must start.
Absolute nonsense.
But what a couple of strikers we have
Its not nonsense. He's outscoring Watkins from the bench and despite his two goals today, Ollie still looks a bit short of sharpness. Missed a few sitters. Duran would have had at least 3 today had he started. He definitely deserves a run in the starting 11.
It is. You can’t use scoring goals as a reason to start someone, whilst at the same time also suggesting someone deserves to be dropped after scoring two. I’m ignoring the fact that Duran would also score all the imaginary goals.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 15, 2024, 01:31:06 AM
I think we're seeing a genuine superstar taking off on front of us, 3 goals off the bench to win 3 games, each magnificent in their own way.
i said the same somewhere else Lee. Three superbly taken goals all different and all taken without any hesitation. Ollie is outstanding in his own way, but he's just not doing what Duran does. It's something about that South American madness about him, oryou see it in African players too who score some fucking screamers. To even think about what he did in that moment, so far out. The shot itself literaly couldn't have been any more perfect. Immense power, swerve and beat the current England keeper who is a very good shot stopper. In fact no keeper was stopping that.
Come on guys let's play fair. Now in a debate regarding our strikers who are you starting v Young Boys and next week at home to Wolves.
Surely you can now see it makes sense I raised the topic
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 15, 2024, 01:34:38 AM
Form is more than one match. That's why Ollie should be dropped.
Ollie's all round performances haven't been great.
Of the two, Duran is the one in form. Not nonsense at all.
I see you are saying Duran should be the current starter.
Certainly be interesting to see him start ahead of Watkins and impact Watkins makes off the bench position.
I like to see them both play to be honest and actually Rogers could miss out as he's the one not firing so for me Watkins AND Duran
In Sky commentary they made the claim that Duran said 'hes better than Watkins '
Certainly Duran strikes the ball probably the sweetest striker in league.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 15, 2024, 01:57:23 AM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 15, 2024, 12:35:24 PM
Ordinary World was better than Blame it on the Boogie. (Duran v Jackson).
Correct.
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Post by: AV84 on September 15, 2024, 12:58:30 PM
Playing one or the other is a good option to have, but it's not likely to keep them both happy in the long term. Sure Duran seems to gave gotten his head screwed on over the summer, but he's kind of put his money where his mouth was, so to speak, already and we're only 4 games in.
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Neither
I like Beetlebum.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 15, 2024, 04:05:30 PM
Arthur Scargill or Red Robo?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 15, 2024, 04:11:15 PM
Strikers?
Arthur Scargill or Red Robo?
Vic Spanner.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 16, 2024, 10:11:33 AM
"Duran potential is huge and I want to support him, help him and be demanding with him. Then he can possibly get better, more confidence and today Watkins scored two goals - you have to feel comfortable with those strikers. We have to think about how we can play with two strikers - this is the challenge I have."
I think it s fine how it is with Duran replacing Watkins after 60 and some minutes. Question is if it will keep Duran happy enough.
It seems El Maestro is now working on a plan on how to play with both Watkins and Duran.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 16, 2024, 10:13:21 AM
Thirty-nine replies, seems like a popular thread. I'd like to try them both together from the start on Tuesday, might be fun.
Unai Emery himself is looking at the challenge of playing both.
Personally I would be starting both Watkins AND Duran.As for Duran, I've said before he is almost the perfect player to bring on against a tiring defence. I know he wants to start, but his impact coming on for the last 30 mins is unbelievable. I still think Watkins is the better fit as our starting No 9, but I desperately hope we can keep Duran.Yes, this is where my head currently is. I noticed on Saturday that he was running around at 100mph, chasing the ball-carrier from the back; something he wasn't so keen on doing.
Also, with the goals he's scoring this season, opponents are going to be well-sighted on the danger he poses: I think we'll find him getting a much tougher time on the pitch; which will test his temperament.
Post by: Mister E on September 16, 2024, 10:19:42 AM
So would cdbearsfan, as he said earlier.Thirty-nine replies, seems like a popular thread. I'd like to try them both together from the start on Tuesday, might be fun.Personally I would be starting both Watkins AND Duran.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 16, 2024, 10:22:54 AM
So would cdbearsfan, as he said earlier.Thirty-nine replies, seems like a popular thread. I'd like to try them both together from the start on Tuesday, might be fun.Personally I would be starting both Watkins AND Duran.
Do you think they can play together? It be interesting how they fit
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 12:23:21 AM
He should absolutely be starting. He takes his chances.
Watkins scored tonight never a handball.
Personally I'm thinking Rogers may have to be out for Duran and Watkins as if you're talking about taking chances Rogers seems unable to actually finish ability of Watkins or Duran and maybe have to look at options because Rogers plays support striker at the moment and Watkins and Duran could dovetail nicely as the two instead.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 12:24:33 AM
So would cdbearsfan, as he said earlier.Thirty-nine replies, seems like a popular thread. I'd like to try them both together from the start on Tuesday, might be fun.Personally I would be starting both Watkins AND Duran.
Do you think they can play together? It be interesting how they fit
Nothing wrong with having 2 quality strikers at the club with the season we have ahead. Enjoy and let Emery manage them both . Working well so far albeit Watkins should be on about 6 goals not 2.
Agreed. We should not be afraid of that at all as a fan base. Ollie isn’t storming out of the club if he’s not picked every so often. The biggest clubs rotate their best players so they are fitter across the season and because they have that many good players they have to keep the squad happy. We need to do that also and not hit ourselves of one of the traditional starters gets a game or two off.
I ask do you think they can play together?
Would you play them from the start together?
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 01:06:37 AM
Hmmmm. I’d have put my money on Duran taking the chance that Watkins mis-controlled off his knee in the first half when through on goal.If they were both on the pitch he would score more ? Emery said they didn't connect well last season and he's saying it's a challenge hes working on in how play both of them
Based on current form, if Duran had the same chances Watkins’ has had so far this season then I reckon we’d be joint top of the league.
Watkins isn't 100% fit. I think have to be fair. Would you start both ?
Post by: waynejames on September 18, 2024, 02:04:15 AM
As the season goes on i would consider starting Duran over Watkins a few times
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 18, 2024, 04:57:44 AM
I'm generally a big fan of your work but it's getting a bit obvious and repetitive now. Kind of like when Weller used to bring out an album pretty much every year.
Maybe restrict yourself to fortnightly trolling or something.
How dare you!
Post by: stevo_st on September 18, 2024, 12:46:38 PM
Watkins is clearly better with the press out of possession, if Duran can improve this team element of his game, he’ll find himself starting more games other than the occasional one to lesson Ollie’s workload.
Unai does though need to find opportunities in games when we are in control of games to try them together to help their understanding for those moments where we are chasing games and throwing the kitchen sink in the last 15/20 mins.
It seems when he does this he prefers Ollie up top with Duran in the hole, which is different to the usual big man up top with the runner feeding off scraps we were all brought up on
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Post by: eamonn on September 18, 2024, 01:56:14 PM
I'm generally a big fan of your work but it's getting a bit obvious and repetitive now. Kind of like when Weller used to bring out an album pretty much every year.
Maybe restrict yourself to fortnightly trolling or something.
How dare you!
Yeah! Paul is always bursting with ideas, don't busy-shame him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 06:17:06 PM
I know Ollie will absolutely insist on playing but I'd be inclined to sit him on the bench at the weekend and make absolutely sure that foot recovers. Big Jhon can handle the Dogs. We could well see a couple of changes and then I suspect wholesale changes against Wycombe.There's been a lot of debate as I suspect regards should it be Watkins , Duran or both.
Duran's finish last night was filfth. I'm baffled as to how far back VAR can look, because from handball (Onana had no one on him so had it not scuffed his hand he'd probably have done nothing different) to the goal was about 20 seconds and 7 passes. It's more feasible a decision than Ollies granted.
I do think can't just forget how important Watkins is for us.
Emery has said it's a challenge for him how to fit them both in the team.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 06:19:36 PM
Why can Man U, Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal all keep multiple top players in the same position and we can’t for fear of upsetting them?
Because none of them are Jhon Duran.
All of those clubs over the years have had players who wanted more playing time. That’s part of being in a top side. Jhon Duran can only get better which would mean a better side with even more competition and even less guarantee of first team football. He’s seeing that now based on what everyone at the club seems to saying regarding his focus and attitude. He’s just a young kid, with age of talent maturing in front of us in real time. You get the outrageous talent and occasional petulance. The closer Ollie gets to 30 and closer to the end of his peaks years we will see the rise of Jhon Duran as his successor.
This is an ideal world scenario which we’d all like
But do you honestly think Duran and his agent are going to sit around waiting for Watkins to get a bit leggy before he gets a chance to be the number one striker
What’s going to happen when one of those teams you mention slap 70 million for him maybe even as soon as January
Don’t forget he wanted to go a couple months ago, he would’ve gone if someone stumped up 40 mill,
Alvarez left Man City because he wasn’t getting game time behind Haaland, Harry Kane please every game is under city is a big part player, Duran won’t settle for that
I’m just leaving in the real world asking real questions
Welcome to my world.
I asked should it be Watkins , Duran or both and there seems to be little forthcoming with an answer
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 06:22:49 PM
I think Duran is excellent, and I love that he's ours, however, Watkins is reliable, scores goals, works hard and has his head screwed on.
I want both, and with the games we've got, and the way it's working, I don't think it's an either/or choice.
It's very much an either or regards starting it seems.
Would you start Duran ahead of Watkins ?
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 06:27:41 PM
He's a better finisher than Watkins but he can't link play like Watkins can. However, to have two great strikers that are so different is a great problem for the manager to have. Presently, I reckon the last 30 mins of a game is just right.
That's fair assessment.
Starting Watkins and Duran together would be interesting combo though but it can impact dynamics of the team
Real Madrid have adapted with Mbappe so it's funding right system for these two to play together for me.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 08:21:26 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on September 18, 2024, 08:39:22 PM
It also means not having to play Ollie every minute of every game - which is useful in terms of his recovery between games.He's a better finisher than Watkins but he can't link play like Watkins can. However, to have two great strikers that are so different is a great problem for the manager to have. Presently, I reckon the last 30 mins of a game is just right.
That's fair assessment.
Starting Watkins and Duran together would be interesting combo though but it can impact dynamics of the team
Real Madrid have adapted with Mbappe so it's funding right system for these two to play together for me.
And without jinxing it, fewer minutes for key players is useful as fatigued players are more likely to get injured. UTV
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 19, 2024, 01:26:12 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 19, 2024, 01:29:05 PM
Are you a school teacher footy? Just asking.
Jesus, no. That would be akin to Demitri teaching English.
Post by: Bad English on September 19, 2024, 01:30:12 PM
Are you a school teacher footy? Just asking.I am an AI developer.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 19, 2024, 01:34:42 PM
Just looking at some of the previous posts, he seems to be engaging each reply individually and berating those that haven’t handed their home work in yet…
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 19, 2024, 03:02:34 PM
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2024, 03:03:17 PM
Jesus Christ this thread is Footy literally asking the same question 5 times on one page, give it a fkin rest mate for the love of god
But who do you think should play? Watkins, Duran or both?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 19, 2024, 03:31:23 PM
Probably get an F for that.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 19, 2024, 04:31:51 PM
Jesus Christ this thread is Footy literally asking the same question 5 times on one page, give it a fkin rest mate for the love of godWell if people will engage with the tech college AI collective this is what you get.
How they laugh in their no natural fibre antire and unfashionable facial hair.
Post by: VillaTim on September 19, 2024, 05:21:46 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 19, 2024, 05:27:44 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on September 19, 2024, 07:41:30 PM
Whose legs? Watkins or Duran's? Or both?(http://thestorybazaar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/four-legs-good-two-legs-bad.png)
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 19, 2024, 08:42:14 PM
Jesus Christ this thread is Footy literally asking the same question 5 times on one page, give it a fkin rest mate for the love of godOk I sense you're annoyed I will endeavour not to keep bumping this thread if I find that people are posting on other threads when technically should be debating here.
Mentioning Christ and the good lord though perhaps in not the most prayerful terms but get the emphasis so take it from me I will write here only where deemed necessary but most importantly do my best not to put other comments from other threads here unless really need too !
Point taken Corey.
Up The Villa
Post by: The Edge on September 19, 2024, 08:54:07 PM
The fact that Watkins and Duran have such different styles is a great problem for our manager to have and a nightmare for the opposition manager to have. Duran is the better finisher which he's proved in devastating fashion. I don't think Unai's going to start many if any games with both on the pitch but I think we'll finish plenty with them both on the pitch.It also means not having to play Ollie every minute of every game - which is useful in terms of his recovery between games.He's a better finisher than Watkins but he can't link play like Watkins can. However, to have two great strikers that are so different is a great problem for the manager to have. Presently, I reckon the last 30 mins of a game is just right.
That's fair assessment.
Starting Watkins and Duran together would be interesting combo though but it can impact dynamics of the team
Real Madrid have adapted with Mbappe so it's funding right system for these two to play together for me.
And without jinxing it, fewer minutes for key players is useful as fatigued players are more likely to get injured. UTV
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 19, 2024, 11:42:07 PM
Thank you.
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2024, 11:46:43 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on September 20, 2024, 01:42:32 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 20, 2024, 03:53:47 AM
Can people wait till weekend to carry on discussing I don't want to miss out here but have over 200 pages of reading the Israel / Palestine thread on off topic.
Thank you.
But do you support Israel, Palestine or both?
Post by: Bad English on September 20, 2024, 05:09:23 AM
Can people wait till weekend to carry on discussing I don't want to miss out here but have over 200 pages of reading the Israel / Palestine thread on off topic.The Real Chaos Pandas.
Thank you.
Post by: Stu on September 20, 2024, 06:15:48 AM
Can people wait till weekend to carry on discussing I don't want to miss out here but have over 200 pages of reading the Israel / Palestine thread on off topic.
Thank you.
This is great, proper made me laugh out loud
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 20, 2024, 07:29:13 AM
Jesus Christ this thread is Footy literally asking the same question 5 times on one page, give it a fkin rest mate for the love of godMentioning Christ and the good lord though perhaps in not the most prayerful terms
But who would you pray to, Christ, The good lord or both?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on September 20, 2024, 08:25:37 AM
Pornhub, KY Jelly or both?
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2024, 10:01:21 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2024, 10:01:48 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on September 20, 2024, 10:55:01 AM
Post by: VillaTim on September 20, 2024, 11:13:50 AM
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2024, 11:49:24 AM
The Corrs, all of them including Jim or nothing
I’d push the brother out of the room, bend them all over, do the drummer, the lead singer, and that one who plays violin.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 20, 2024, 12:08:50 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 20, 2024, 12:17:38 PM
The Corrs, all of them including Jim or nothing
I’d push the brother out of the room, bend them all over, do the drummer, the lead singer, and that one who plays violin.
I’m still in love with Andrea after all these years.
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2024, 01:01:48 PM
The Corrs, all of them including Jim or nothing
I’d push the brother out of the room, bend them all over, do the drummer, the lead singer, and that one who plays violin.
That would leave you breathless you dirty perv.
Post by: AV82EC on September 20, 2024, 01:12:57 PM
The Corrs, all of them including Jim or nothing
I’d push the brother out of the room, bend them all over, do the drummer, the lead singer, and that one who plays violin.
I was getting my Irish girl bands mixed up thought this was a conversation about B*Witched and now I feel really dirty. And have a C’est La vie earworm which is even more annoying.
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2024, 01:14:23 PM
The Corrs, all of them including Jim or nothing
I’d push the brother out of the room, bend them all over, do the drummer, the lead singer, and that one who plays violin.
I was getting my Irish girl bands mixed up thought this was a conversation about B*Witched and now I feel really dirty. And have a C’est La vie earworm which is even more annoying.
Which one of B*Witched did you think was called Jim?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 20, 2024, 01:21:11 PM
Post by: AV82EC on September 20, 2024, 01:22:18 PM
The Corrs, all of them including Jim or nothing
I’d push the brother out of the room, bend them all over, do the drummer, the lead singer, and that one who plays violin.
I was getting my Irish girl bands mixed up thought this was a conversation about B*Witched and now I feel really dirty. And have a C’est La vie earworm which is even more annoying.
Which one of B*Witched did you think was called Jim?
Judging by the last photo I saw of them I’m not making any predictions.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2024, 06:23:37 AM
After Young Boys
"Now we have Jhon Duran in good form. They can play together Duran & Watkins. As well, today Watkins plays 60 minutes, another 30 minutes for Duran. Of course, we need both, together, and individually, adding his capacity on the pitch in the time we need.”
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2024, 06:31:07 AM
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on September 21, 2024, 09:52:10 AM
WATKINS DURAN BAILEY...or
MORLEY WITHE SHAW..
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 21, 2024, 10:15:14 AM
Just playing devil's advocate, but which is the better front 3 FOOTY..He / they thinks Gabby and Young are legends mate.
WATKINS DURAN BAILEY...or
MORLEY WITHE SHAW..
Post by: Neil Hawkes on September 21, 2024, 11:26:59 AM
Just playing devil's advocate, but which is the better front 3 FOOTY..You are a naughty boy.
WATKINS DURAN BAILEY...or
MORLEY WITHE SHAW..
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2024, 02:10:57 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2024, 02:20:22 PM
Ashley Young yes.Just playing devil's advocate, but which is the better front 3 FOOTY..He / they thinks Gabby and Young are legends mate.
WATKINS DURAN BAILEY...or
MORLEY WITHE SHAW..
Agbonlahor does have the Prem goalscoring record.
Regards a comparison to the Title league and Euro winning strikers of the 80s Withe, Morley, and Shaw I haven't seen them, but they must be better as they won.
They are rightfully part of history, we can't compare those current three, though Watkins could be regarded as one of our greatest strikers in modern era. Duran potentially can go far.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2024, 04:27:41 PM
Hallelujah!
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 21, 2024, 04:30:04 PM
Bump own thread
Bump own thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2024, 04:40:36 PM
Bump own thread
Bump own thread
Bump own thread
It's actually very topical !
Watkins scores with JD on pitch not replacing him but playing together!
Lets get behind the team and get the Win !
Brilliant !!
Post by: stevo_st on September 21, 2024, 05:12:31 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2024, 10:02:50 PM
Both scored which is just fantastic!
I think with Ginny injured there's an opportunity for JD to start with Watkins.
A two up front scenario
Post by: rob_bridge on September 21, 2024, 10:47:31 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 29, 2024, 10:07:38 AM
Emery said:
"It’s my challenge to try to get the best of (Duran) him, playing as a striker, playing with Ollie Watkins. The idea is they will play more together"
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 29, 2024, 10:17:20 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/Yycs8RR/sjy6j9tp5zo61.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Yycs8RR)
Are you ok Footy?
Post by: Monty on September 29, 2024, 10:21:20 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 29, 2024, 10:54:18 AM
The impact so far has seen them both produce good output and that's encouraging.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 29, 2024, 10:56:04 AM
Post by: LeeB on September 29, 2024, 10:58:24 AM
I hope it's chips, it's chips.
I always hoped it was the fried onion rings but alas.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 29, 2024, 11:05:08 AM
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 29, 2024, 01:32:11 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Yycs8RR/sjy6j9tp5zo61.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Yycs8RR)
Are you ok Footy?
Pack that in please.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 29, 2024, 04:17:12 PM
Only given 20 mins of time on pitch together and little evidence there was any link up play .
Duran on 64.
Watkins was subbed off 84.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 29, 2024, 04:18:35 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 04, 2024, 08:01:20 AM
Watkins could even play wide left forward.
On TNT it was interesting to hear Ash Young talk about Watkins after Ferdinand suggested he was a confidence player.
Youngy said "Ollie is a worrier"
When asked after Duran must be considered to be starting because he's scoring Youngy said " Ollie scoring as well so he doesn't think he drop him"
Though way Duran keeps performing it is going to be worrying Watkins. I do hope something can be worked out for beneficial of team and having both on the pitch together.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 06, 2024, 01:13:54 PM
Duran on the bench.
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 06, 2024, 02:54:43 PM
Vs Man Utd Watkins starts.
Duran on the bench.
fascinating insight that certainly isn't already common knowledge and not on the match thread. can you not just pack it in, this thread is fucking joke at this point
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 06, 2024, 10:57:39 PM
In commentary it was suggested Rogers and Watkins have built up and understanding which also contributed to fact Duran isn't starting.
Didn't see much evidence of link up play between Watkins and JD.
I'm wondering if it's a Watkins and Ings scenario.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 15, 2024, 11:48:26 PM
Against Bologna I would start with both of the strikers.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 18, 2024, 03:38:01 PM
I don't see Watkins being dropped so it's a matter of time before he starts both.
Maybe it's Fulham or maybe Bologna!
On Duran:
"I am thinking how with his process here and how Duran is progressing how important it is for him to start in these matches. Maybe tomorrow or maybe in the next games we play.
He's ready and his next challenge is coming. Jhon Duran's performances have been very good for us, playing minutes and getting more minutes for him. I think this month is the same."
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 19, 2024, 04:38:21 PM
No partnership seen as not on pitch together.
Would have been nice to see it especially against 10 men.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 17, 2025, 01:57:47 PM
Duran isn't leaving in this winter window , back from suspension but Watkins scored last match and he's got the jersey as far I see for Arsenal.
El Maestro said this week on Watkins and Duran
"I’m happy with both strikers, and it’s a privilege for me to train them. Every Aston Villa supporter should be proud of how we can have strikers like Ollie Watkins and Jhon Duran.
One is the reality, and performing always very good, and progressively getting better - that’s Ollie.
And the other is Jhon who is 21 and we can exploit his potential here. Of course, I don’t know if we are going to keep them here for a long time but hopefully we will."
I actually think if was a choice Watkins may stay longer term than Duran. Emery seems very fond of him and talks about Watkins being reality and Duran beng potential.
Post by: LeeS on January 17, 2025, 02:07:43 PM
Post by: usav on January 17, 2025, 02:09:51 PM
The best scenario would be that they learn how to play together and form an unstoppable partnership. We’d be nigh on unbeatable
Hmmm.
Post by: LeeS on January 17, 2025, 02:11:41 PM
The best scenario would be that they learn how to play together and form an unstoppable partnership. We’d be nigh on unbeatable
Hmmm.
I don’t know it. What are the lyrics?
Post by: eamonn on January 17, 2025, 02:13:31 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2025, 11:34:09 AM
Sky Sports after game other day featuring Merson and Hendrie
Part of interview with Watkins there's debate on Watkins and Duran.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2025, 04:44:20 PM
Hopefully Watkins can get his first champions league goal. He's been unlucky so far this tournament.
Both have appeared in every champions league match.
Suspect Duran to come in at some point
One more booking would see Duran suspended
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2025, 05:37:30 PM
Hutton said he doesn't think both can play together. Its one or the other.
Lescott said they don't need need to play together.
It was also mentioned the signing of Malen as another attacking option and the West Ham £57m bid for Duran.
Lescott also seemed to think Malen was a replacement for Duran!
Hutton more informed as Malen can play across the forward line.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2025, 05:39:27 PM
Watkins the man in form keeps his place and starts with Duran on the bench.
Hopefully Watkins can get his first champions league goal. He's been unlucky so far this tournament.
Both have appeared in every champions league match.
Suspect Duran to come in at some point
One more booking would see Duran suspended
I think 3 goals in the last three games suggests that Watkins was nailed on to start, and rightly so.
Agreed.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 21, 2025, 05:40:31 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 21, 2025, 05:43:30 PM
As much as I love Duran and what he could become, watching the last training session he really needs to get over himself. Previously I watched him turn up late for the group, then acting the twat as he wanted to be in another group rather than the one the coaches had put him in. Mings had to drag him in. Then he did nothing but Unai sent him in.
The other day he at least got out in time though again the last player out. He then put in a half arsed warm up and really wasn't that interested. I know this is down to reading his body language but I really think the lad needs to grow up. That stupid interview where he brags about arguing with Unai was fucking embarrassing.
Fantastic player, could go on to achieve whatever he wants but I'm thinking he has forced Unai's hand to play Watkins tonight by once again acting like a twat. You can't be seen to reward such actions so he only has himself to blame.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2025, 07:45:10 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 21, 2025, 08:14:19 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on January 21, 2025, 08:28:04 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 21, 2025, 08:50:10 PM
Very odd that we can't make the two up top work for maybe 20 mins at the end of a game. Surely they have worked on this in training as in theory it gives us a very flexible system to play as plan B or C.
You could spend a month working on it without success. Both occupy the same space and want to be the striker up top by themselves. It's a tough one for Emery to manage but obvious decision was to start Duran tonight as Watkins has a lot of football played in recent weeks.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2025, 08:53:36 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on January 21, 2025, 08:55:07 PM
Post by: tony scott on January 21, 2025, 08:57:22 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2025, 09:01:28 PM
I feel there's some scope for wide role Watkins when Duran but really of the two v Monaco Watkins did okay and at least adapted I thought Duran struggled in the two.
Both positioning and discipline.
He came on in 55 mins or so touched 11 times fould twice , gave away 3 times and had his speculative shot.
Watkins played a lovely ball in with outside of right foot which was heading straight for Duran in the box but was just cleared away.
If that had reached Duran be talking about great link up but of the two Watkins has shown he's more cohesive with the team play when they are both on the pitch.
Post by: tony scott on January 21, 2025, 09:05:09 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2025, 09:26:11 PM
I found the strongest starting 11 thread so putting that debate there.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2025, 09:27:20 PM
Watkins is imo the better all round player Duran is a better finisher take your pickI would say Duran is a more spectacular finisher.
Post by: ROBBO on January 22, 2025, 08:34:45 AM
Post by: Monty on January 22, 2025, 08:38:48 AM
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Post by: ROBBO on January 22, 2025, 09:00:58 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2025, 03:35:19 PM
I'm not sure last night is any evidence of them not being able to play together, but it sure was evidence that the rest of the team haven't got a fucking clue how to play in that scenario.I think evidence was clear .Emery has come out and said it was a mistake. He said it all.
"We have two good strikers. Playing with two strikers is my challenge. Both are very good players, but today it didn't work well,
I made a mistake when I decided to play with two strikers. Until that moment, we were more or less controlling the game."
I feel like it's 2010 but - you can't play two out and out strikers in a 4-4-2 these days unless you want to sit deep and counterattack like a relegation candidate.Quite right Monty
Emery:
"I think we played 70 minutes like I wanted. The opponent, of course, had a gameplan as well. They were good in transition,
We created three or four good chances to score. Of course, if we want to be at this level, we have to take the chances we had. But despite that, I was more or less positive.
The last 20 to 25 minutes we were playing with two strikers and we were not threatening like the first 70 minutes.
With two strikers, we were not organised with the positioning like I wanted."
Says it all
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2025, 03:38:37 PM
Post by: caster troy on January 22, 2025, 03:38:54 PM
We also have tried Watkins wide left, I'm sure he doesn't want to play there long term but it was worth a go for 10 minutes.
We do seem very hesitant to try something different even when the players available on the pitch don't fit our usual system.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2025, 03:52:20 PM
This lack of adaptation, discipline, and following instructions to me is the problem.
Now in reference to the debate Watkins , Duran or both ? well Duran hasn't completed one 90 minutes. And with Watkins proven scoring and in form then: It has to be Watkins starting.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 24, 2025, 12:41:39 PM
Sky Sports Article Jhon Duran transfer and Ollie Watkins partnership in focus ahead of West Ham clash.
Aston Villa rejected a £57m bid from West Ham for Jhon Duran on Monday; Hammers had tried to sign the striker in the summer; Duran has best strike rate in Premier League but largely as a sub, with Unai Emery unhappy with on-field partnership with Ollie Watkins in defeat to Monaco
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2025, 02:48:24 PM
I have the impression Duran is becoming a problem due to his inability tactically and understanding of himself being a team player.
This lack of adaptation, discipline, and following instructions to me is the problem.
Now in reference to the debate Watkins , Duran or both ? well Duran hasn't completed one 90 minutes. And with Watkins proven scoring and in form then: It has to be Watkins starting.
I think that's a massive disservice to how far Duran has come since last season. I think he presses well and his scoring record is phenomenal. For me he should start on Sunday to give him a run out and keep Ollie fresh for Wed night too.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2025, 03:02:59 PM
I have the impression Duran is becoming a problem due to his inability tactically and understanding of himself being a team player.
This lack of adaptation, discipline, and following instructions to me is the problem.
Now in reference to the debate Watkins , Duran or both ? well Duran hasn't completed one 90 minutes. And with Watkins proven scoring and in form then: It has to be Watkins starting.
I think that's a massive disservice to how far Duran has come since last season. I think he presses well and his scoring record is phenomenal. For me he should start on Sunday to give him a run out and keep Ollie fresh for Wed night too.
He is the very opposite of the depcition of him presented by Footy. He's been brilliant this season in all areas of the game. Lots to improve upon but his all round game at both ends of the pitch and his overall work rate has been excellent.
Post by: PhilVill on January 24, 2025, 03:16:34 PM
Post by: achilles on January 24, 2025, 03:47:30 PM
If you want a player to score goals then it has to be Duran!
Definitely not both as they just get in each others space!
Post by: Drummond on January 24, 2025, 03:48:57 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 24, 2025, 03:54:20 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 24, 2025, 04:01:59 PM
I still think Watkins scores and assists just as many coming from wide. Whether he's willing to do that is another argument, but he can because he has before.
Not at this level he hasn't though, and not for a long time now.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 24, 2025, 05:03:12 PM
I still think Watkins scores and assists just as many coming from wide. Whether he's willing to do that is another argument, but he can because he has before.
Not at this level he hasn't though, and not for a long time now.
True plus I very much doubt Watkins wants to play out wide when he still has dreams of playing for England again.
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 24, 2025, 05:06:53 PM
I still think Watkins scores and assists just as many coming from wide. Whether he's willing to do that is another argument, but he can because he has before.
Not at this level he hasn't though, and not for a long time now.
True plus I very much doubt Watkins wants to play out wide when he still has dreams of playing for England again.
It's Watkins up top for me currently with Duran deputising when required. I know Watkins can be profligate, especially this season, but his workrate etc do it for me.
Whether that's acceptable to Duran is another matter. Something I think the management will have been thinking a lot about. I suspect we'll cash in soonish.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 24, 2025, 05:47:17 PM
He does annoy me that now when he presses from the front, something he was very good at but now seems to be going through the motions. Defender had the ball and Watkins never really gives him anything to think about. Previously he'd be in with an attempted block. He gives the defender nothing to worry about.
As for Duran, I can understand him accepting a move if he's not been given the chance, especially when the player keeping him out of the team isn't having the best of spells. With so many games I'd have expected a bit more rotation, especially this month. My biggest concern with Duran is his attitude in training, always the last to get out there then behaving like a spoilt child. It's not funny, it's not clever, he needs to grow the hell up.
Post by: danno on January 24, 2025, 07:00:26 PM
In the league he has three yellow cards, which is as many as Chris Wood and Haaland put together.
Hopefully the penny drops for him at some point. His ill discipline can cost him opportunities, his managers trust, and cost his team points.
Rooney was exactly the same at his age, and he did OK! But it’s definitely an area of the game for Duran to work on.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 26, 2025, 03:24:05 PM
Well I'm aligned with Emery's thoughts.I have the impression Duran is becoming a problem due to his inability tactically and understanding of himself being a team player.
This lack of adaptation, discipline, and following instructions to me is the problem.
Now in reference to the debate Watkins , Duran or both ? well Duran hasn't completed one 90 minutes. And with Watkins proven scoring and in form then: It has to be Watkins starting.
I think that's a massive disservice to how far Duran has come since last season. I think he presses well and his scoring record is phenomenal. For me he should start on Sunday to give him a run out and keep Ollie fresh for Wed night too.
He is the very opposite of the depcition of him presented by Footy. He's been brilliant this season in all areas of the game. Lots to improve upon but his all round game at both ends of the pitch and his overall work rate has been excellent.
As I intimated , observed and shared about Duran.
Now Watkins selected again ahead for West ham.
Most telling and I couldn't put it better myself :
Unai Emery: "But the first requirement is to be a TEAM. And in this beautiful four-lettered word there is no place for anyone that won't be a good team-mate, for anyone that won't understand the meaning of effort, generosity and responsibility."
That basically describes says it all
Post by: Drummond on January 27, 2025, 01:41:17 PM
He's doing his job and if Emery didn't trust him, he wouldn't get any minutes, wouldn't have been given a new contract and Emery wouldn't have said what he has.
Asked by Sky if there were any circumstances in which it might make sense for Duran to leave Villa in the next week, Emery said: “Such circumstances, of course, in this moment are not helping us to be focusing 100%, but Jhon Duran is our player and I am happy with him. I want him here with us.”
Then asked if he was desperate to keep Duran at Villa Park, a steely-eyed Emery added: “I want him here.”
I think this is more telling.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 29, 2025, 11:37:23 AM
Duran is an excellent striker of the ball, he's desperate to score and has proven to be successful on a number of occasions and at a better ratio than pretty much anyone else around.
He's doing his job and if Emery didn't trust him, he wouldn't get any minutes, wouldn't have been given a new contract and Emery wouldn't have said what he has.
Asked by Sky if there were any circumstances in which it might make sense for Duran to leave Villa in the next week, Emery said: “Such circumstances, of course, in this moment are not helping us to be focusing 100%, but Jhon Duran is our player and I am happy with him. I want him here with us.”
Then asked if he was desperate to keep Duran at Villa Park, a steely-eyed Emery added: “I want him here.”
I think this is more telling.
Emery was singing Danny ings praises and even captained against Stevenage in the infamous FA cup defeat.
Then Ings was not long sold in the January window.
Make of that what you will
So even if Duran starts tonight or plays apart doesn't mean he'll be staying
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on January 29, 2025, 06:14:51 PM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2025, 06:29:15 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 31, 2025, 06:43:33 PM
Post by: jwarry on January 31, 2025, 06:56:53 PM
I'm definitely in the Ollie camp! ;-)
No,question
Post by: Legion on January 31, 2025, 08:33:33 PM
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2025, 08:56:29 PM
I think I'll go for just Watkins.
And hope that he doesn't get injured, ever.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2025, 06:47:55 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 03, 2025, 06:49:24 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2025, 07:16:23 PM
Easy one this.. Duran.
Yep.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 03, 2025, 07:30:43 PM
Post by: AV84 on February 03, 2025, 07:35:16 PM
Weatherspoons.
Reese? She's fast but not got the height for set pieces.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2025, 09:00:07 PM
Welcome Rashy!
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 14, 2025, 04:51:24 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 14, 2025, 05:29:33 PM
Both is what Emery picked on Wednesday.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 31, 2025, 12:31:59 PM
2 goals so shows he’s an option.
the beauty is they can both play together as well without much issue .
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 01, 2025, 09:46:22 PM
Watkins always scores against Brighton, I'd be starting him.
Yes, I was thinking that yesterday. He's got a decent record against them, unless he leaves Rashford in now he's off the mark.
Rashford didn't impress me playing as a striker - didn't hold up play or stretch them behind - so I'd be playing Watkins, and even Malen, first.
He's looked more than decent as a winger though and provides squad depth across all the attacking positions.
I think Rashy is definitely lined up for PSG given his form and experience against them and expect both to start that one.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 02, 2025, 06:38:40 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 02, 2025, 09:03:41 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 02, 2025, 09:09:56 PM
A great option to have and interesting at moment it’s one or the other.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 05, 2025, 10:40:25 AM
Watkins is carrying a knee injury and having his minutes managed. He says Marcus Rashford is expected to be given the nod at centre-forward and likely to keep his place up front against Nottingham Forest.
Post by: Drummond on April 05, 2025, 06:49:36 PM
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 05, 2025, 08:15:39 PM
Post by: usav on April 05, 2025, 09:18:58 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 06, 2025, 09:07:30 PM
Something is off with Watkins, we’ve seen it before with him. First touch is dreadful, passing and decision making poor. He will rebound, he always does…..but it’s different now with the squad depth and talent and he might be making more appearances in the bench than he’s used to.
I honestly think the first conventional end of season tournament for 6 years last season for lots of top form players had an effect on the England ones and some others too.
Palmer nowhere near as good, Foden had already come off the boil and then injured, Watkins same. Saka injured. Bowen nowhere near as good. Konsa same. Rice less good. Guehi same. Stones and Walker heading towards semi retired.
Gordon and Gallagher only outfield ones improved - latter had new challenge. Henderson in goal is the other who has got better.
Kane still an outlier.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 06, 2025, 10:39:45 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2025, 08:07:33 AM
Watkins is a sulker, he can't handle competition for places, he's stropped when Ings came in and Gerrard moved him wider, he didn't like Duran getting games, and now he's threw his dummy out when Rashford gets picked - which I can understan, but he needs to be taking more chances than he does - don't get me wrong, he's been really good for us, and we've been really good for him. I think he'll leave, which is ok, if we replace properly - I also think he won't get that record.
I don't know so much about the Newcastle interview have had a lot on but may explain why Malen came on for Watkins to play as number 9
The debate now is Watkins , Malen or both ?
Also come the summer will another striker be bought and will Watkins be sold I'm surprised to be reading around that Watkins is to be sold ?
Either way another top quality striker is needed for next season.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 06, 2025, 09:00:53 AM
As for the interview, whilst the words always make it sound worse then it was, the context of him smiling during most of it AND Redknapp laughing and joking with Ollie that he (Jaimie) used to be around the managers door asking to start is always lost.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2025, 05:25:36 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 06, 2025, 05:37:22 PM
Just reading back through this thread as I hadn’t bothered with it before. F-V’s ‘insight’ (lol) certainly lived down to expectations didn’t it?
Time you could have spent with your kids. Or in the sun. Or having a shit. or pulling your fingernails out.