Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SaddVillan on August 15, 2024, 07:05:46 PM
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A great idea by the club. Must have taken some research.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/august/15/legacy-numbers--all-997-aston-villa-players/
Some great names from yesteryear:
Gershom Cox
Batty Garvey
Orlando Evans
Arthur Cartlidge
Percy Maggs
William Barnie-Adshead
Ken 'Shunter' Roberts
Names from a Monty Python sketch? (Ask your Dad kids).
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Interesting. Seems the 1000th player will be someone who came in this summer, and possibly/probably happen against West Ham.
Could be Barkley, which would be funny given some people's reaction to his signing.
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I think this is amazing, it also makes you realise how much a person should cherish having played for Villa.
150 years, and less than 1000 have played for the greatest club on earth.
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Interesting. Seems the 1000th player will be someone who came in this summer, and possibly/probably happen against West Ham.
Could be Barkley, which would be funny given some people's reaction to his signing.
Wouldnt he already be on it? Ah yes - number 950
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Interesting. Seems the 1000th player will be someone who came in this summer, and possibly/probably happen against West Ham.
Could be Barkley, which would be funny given some people's reaction to his signing.
Wouldnt he already be on it?
Of course! Silly me. He's 950.
Then seems like Nedeljkovic or Barrenachea are the most likely?
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You would think that Onana would be 998. So I think your right.
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Yeah, Barkley, Philogene and Archer will already be counted.
Must be a decent chance that Onana starts. Maybe Maatsen, too? That would take us to 999 and likely leave a straight race between Iling-Junior, Barrenechea and the kids to be the 1,000th. Maybe Gauci if Martinez gets injured (hopefully not Gauci, then).
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Was it Cox that scored the first ever League goal? An own goal for Wolverhampton.
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The history section on the official site has an incredible amount of information. Every player, every match sometimes with interesting press cuttings or other things attached. Somebody has put in a lot of work on this.
I suppose there has to be a rule that only players that have appeared in a 1st team game are on the list, but it's still a shame that Oscar Arce will not be one of `The 1,000`.
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Kudos to anyone getting numbers 951-966.
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The history section on the official site has an incredible amount of information. Every player, every match sometimes with interesting press cuttings or other things attached. Somebody has put in a lot of work on this.
I suppose there has to be a rule that only players that have appeared in a 1st team game are on the list, but it's still a shame that Oscar Arce will not be one of `The 1,000`.
Aahh, the back that never was:
Wright, Aitken, Arce, Hole.
Remember Doug ushering Oscar onto the pitch after he'd signed with musical accompaniment by a "group of South American musicians". More like a Mariachi band - but close enough for Herbert.
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Wasn't it Wright, Aitken, Brown, Arce, Hole?
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Thank you for flagging this up
Saddvillan
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Yeah, Barkley, Philogene and Archer will already be counted.
Must be a decent chance that Onana starts. Maybe Maatsen, too? That would take us to 999 and likely leave a straight race between Iling-Junior, Barrenechea and the kids to be the 1,000th. Maybe Gauci if Martinez gets injured (hopefully not Gauci, then).
Part of me thinks they’d do it so the 1000th is someone they can make a big deal about, as they obviously want to with all this effort now.
But then another part of me can’t see Emery letting marketing influence his team selection and game management.
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At least I can say I lived through The Golden Years.
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I like numbers 951 - 966 - the Villa U19 team that ran Liverpool's A team close in the covid FA Cup.
What would be class (maybe) is if we put each players "legacy" number under the badge. Like they do with English Cricket shirts. Mrs Beard bought me Stuart Broads autobiography and reading that - it was one of the things that he loved was having that number on his shirt.
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Kudos to anyone getting numbers 951-966.
Ah sorry just repeated that
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I like numbers 951 - 966 - the Villa U19 team that ran Liverpool's A team close in the covid FA Cup.
What would be class (maybe) is if we put each players "legacy" number under the badge. Like they do with English Cricket shirts. Mrs Beard bought me Stuart Broads autobiography and reading that - it was one of the things that he loved was having that number on his shirt.
Like it. Not sure if there are any rules against it.
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If three players make their debut at West Ham at the same time, how do they decide who is number 1,000?
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I like numbers 951 - 966 - the Villa U19 team that ran Liverpool's A team close in the covid FA Cup.
What would be class (maybe) is if we put each players "legacy" number under the badge. Like they do with English Cricket shirts. Mrs Beard bought me Stuart Broads autobiography and reading that - it was one of the things that he loved was having that number on his shirt.
Like it. Not sure if there are any rules against it.
I think it would be class - and a way of emphasising our heritage - something we should lean into.
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If three players make their debut at West Ham at the same time, how do they decide who is number 1,000?
I have spent about the last three hours thing about this. I think the only fair way would be on there shirt number. Lowest first. But I guess they must have used a methodology in the list to date.
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If three players make their debut at West Ham at the same time, how do they decide who is number 1,000?
I have spent about the last three hours thing about this. I think the only fair way would be on there shirt number. Lowest first. But I guess they must have used a methodology in the list to date.
Yes - 951-965 suggests its a-z
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How low can you go..?
My first new player was number 669, Gary Penrice, in 1991.
Number 668 was Dwight Yorke but he'd already played for Villa, twice the season before under Taylor, before my first visit to Villa Park. In fact Penrice was the only player signed by Venglos (not counting the famous Ivo Stas who never played).
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It says in the article it’s A-Z for ties.
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How low can you go..?
My first new player was number 669, Gary Penrice, in 1991.
Number 668 was Dwight Yorke but he'd already played for Villa, twice the season before under Taylor, before my first visit to Villa Park. In fact Penrice was the only player signed by Venglos (not counting the famous Ivo Stas who never played).
I think Andy Townsend was the first one I saw make a debut. I saw Dean Saunders home debut too
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Yeah, Barkley, Philogene and Archer will already be counted.
Must be a decent chance that Onana starts. Maybe Maatsen, too? That would take us to 999 and likely leave a straight race between Iling-Junior, Barrenechea and the kids to be the 1,000th. Maybe Gauci if Martinez gets injured (hopefully not Gauci, then).
Part of me thinks they’d do it so the 1000th is someone they can make a big deal about, as they obviously want to with all this effort now.
But then another part of me can’t see Emery letting marketing influence his team selection and game management.
Unless we sign Felix by the weekend, I can't see it being a massive deal. I suppose there's every chance none of the new players get on as subs this weekend. Even if Onana starts, it could be Buendia, Moreno, Ramsey, Bailey, Tielemans, Barkley, and/or Duran coming on as subs.
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I don’t mean like a star signing, just that some players are more articulate and some more marketable than others.
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If three players make their debut at West Ham at the same time, how do they decide who is number 1,000?
Based on our first ever game, they seem to be ordered in a sensible way... eg the goalkeeper is listed number one. Since then though, they seem to have just gone with alphabetical order when more than one player has a debut at the same time... most obviously in that Liverpool Covid Cup game. So, assuming they stuck to that, it would be the third player alphabetically.
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I don’t mean like a star signing, just that some players are more articulate and some more marketable than others.
Oh, I see what you mean. Baranechea then, and he scores that worldie Zaniolo never gave us, goes down in Villa history immediately.
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At least I can say I lived through The Golden Years.
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Who the fuck is Derrick Williams? Sounds like a name that should have a much lower number.
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Centre-half who made one sub appearance at QPR under Paul Lambert, I can't say I remember it. Since went on to accumulate over one hundred appearances for both Bristol City and Blackburn, and has spent the last four years in America with LA Galaxy, DC United and Atlanta United. Has also managed three caps for Republic of Ireland.
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Centre-half who made one sub appearance at QPR under Paul Lambert, I can't say I remember it. Since went on to accumulate over one hundred appearances for both Bristol City and Blackburn, and has spent the last four years in America with LA Galaxy, DC United and Atlanta United. Has also managed three caps for Republic of Ireland.
Fair play to him. You can't be going round called Derrick though and be under 50.
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I thought he was a left back. Irish I think.
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Made 1 sub appearance for us. Has had a decent career at Bristol City and Blackburn and then the US.
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How low can you go..?
My first new player was number 669, Gary Penrice, in 1991.
I assume you mean seeing their Villa debut, rather than the player that goes back furthest that you have seen at any time in their Villa career.
#518 Peter Broadbent making his debut for us v Sheffield United in 1966.
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/player/peter-broadbent
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Was it Cox that scored the first ever League goal? An own goal for Wolverhampton.
Yes, in Villa's first ever League game which finished 1-1.
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How low can you go..?
My first new player was number 669, Gary Penrice, in 1991.
Number 668 was Dwight Yorke but he'd already played for Villa, twice the season before under Taylor, before my first visit to Villa Park. In fact Penrice was the only player signed by Venglos (not counting the famous Ivo Stas who never played).
Lowest number seen: 582, Sid
Lowest debut I can remember: 667, Tony Cascarino
Actual lowest number debut: 653, David Platt
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Lowest number seen 396 Johnny Dixon
Lowest debut 475 Harry Burrows
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582 is my lowest, I'd imagine will be for a few people. Nigel Callaghan at 659 lowest debut I saw, separated from 660 Ian Ormondroyd on alphabetic order. Seems like most of our debutants in my first season played their first games away or in night games that I wasn't yet allowed to attend.
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How low can you go..?
My first new player was number 669, Gary Penrice, in 1991.
Number 668 was Dwight Yorke but he'd already played for Villa, twice the season before under Taylor, before my first visit to Villa Park. In fact Penrice was the only player signed by Venglos (not counting the famous Ivo Stas who never played).
Exactly the same for me, there was probably nearly a whole season between Yorke and Penrice making their debuts which in the modern era seems bonkers. It seems mad now that a new Manager coming in made no new signings (the Stas debacle aside).
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Of the players that I saw play then Sir Brian is my first at number 555 so I’m happy to have a club legend as my pick.
Thinking of debut appearances I think mine must be Peter Withe at number 615, saw him at Leeds in 1980.
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Fewer subs in those days plus everyone played their first teams in virtually every game. Even in the Simod Cup we only ever had one player who didn't also play in the league (Alan McLoughlin, if anyone cares).
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I have deliberately kept my powder dry on this as I had been informed the club would be putting something out this summer. Us like-minded individuals have been ticking the players off for the last few years knowing the 1000th player was not far off. Its all not quite as black and white as it should be. What we have for a better word is ‘legacy issues’ from the two main sources: Tony Matthew’s first edition Complete Record & Micheal Joyce’s Football League Players' Records. I’m glad the club have gone with this number, as I believe it’s the most accurate. The major wrinkles have been ironed out. Reading the list this morning I have sighed a few times at the few first names that didn’t get updated, but you can’t have everything. Overall, I’m quite happy the club have published the list.
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Fewer subs in those days plus everyone played their first teams in virtually every game. Even in the Simod Cup we only ever had one player who didn't also play in the league (Alan McLoughlin, if anyone cares).
Yep, the modern penchant for it being a squad game with virtually a whole team of reserves on the bench has changed things somewhat drastically. 115 years to get to 660 odd then 35 years to get to 1000.
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Charlie Aitken for oldest player seen.
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637 Garry Thompson for me, 1986.
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Lowest number seen - 474: Alan Deakin.
Lowest debut - 523: Brian Godfrey & 524: Brian Greenhalgh
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279 - Tommy Ball - first footballer murdered - buried in Church Lane
488 - Aitkin - first name on list i actually saw play
555 - Chris Samba - my God we have employed some garbage
956 - Akos Onodi - have no idea about him?
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Surely Samba can't be 555? Onodi was goalie when we had to play the kids against Liverpool in the cup.
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Surely Samba can't be 555? Onodi was goalie when we had to play the kids against Liverpool in the cup.
Apologies - 555 - Brian Little - i had wrote some notes and picked the wrong one!!
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You know you’re all mental, right?!
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At least I can say I lived through The Golden Years.
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Wow, some of shittest players in my time as a fan, one after the other. I’d be surprised if we’ve had that many whoppers in the total since ! Indeed, what a golden shower that was.
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Lowest number of those I've seen live is 555 - Brian Little.
The first debut is 593 - David Evans against Barcelona but 594 - Allan Evans also made his debut that night as sub for David Evans.
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At least I can say I lived through The Golden Years.
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Wow, some of shittest players in my time as a fan, one after the other. I’d be surprised if we’ve had that many whoppers in the total since ! Indeed, what a golden shower that was.
The disrespect to Jed Steer here is appalling
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Steer definitely played his part in our history. Most of the others in that screenshot were incredibly bad, though.
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Onana 998. Gauci, Maatsen and Nedeljković on bench in the battle to be Agent M.
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The one name period
932 TREZEGUET
933 WESLEY
934 JOTA
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At least I can say I lived through The Golden Years.
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Maybe a tad unfair on Reina, but this might be worse
942 DANNY DRINKWATER
943 PEPE REINA
944 ALLY SAMATTA
945 BORJA BASTON
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Ian Maatsen, 999.
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Nedeljkovic most likely to be 1000 then? Given the other 2 aren't in the match day squad yet. Unless we sign Felix or someone in the morning.
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Oooops
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Nedeljković is 1,000.
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K for Kosta!
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Good for him. I've a feeling he could be a massive player for us. Hopefully it's the first of many.
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I liked M, because it makes him sound like he's in James Bond. But K works well. Especially if we get a black third kit.
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I liked M, because it makes him sound like he's in James Bond. But K works well. Especially if we get a black third kit.
Roman lickspittle!
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555 for me too.
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I liked M, because it makes him sound like he's in James Bond. But K works well. Especially if we get a black third kit.
Roman lickspittle!
What did they ever do for us?