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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Smirker on June 19, 2024, 06:27:53 PM
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Looks like we're signing him.
22 year old left-back. Chelsea player just been on loan to Dortmund for the season. Dutch.
£35m.
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Did he play for Coventry for a season?
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Proper fucking signing. What an excellent player we now have in that position for years to come.
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Ornstein reporting it here
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/1803478075813847273?s=46
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So it seems, per David Ornstein. https://x.com/David_Ornstein/status/1803478075813847273
Personal terms agreed, 6 year contract.
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Did he play for Coventry for a season?
Yes.
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He will absolutely kill it under Unai's system - well done to whoever got this done.
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Did he play for Coventry for a season?
Burnley. Spend the second half of the season on loan to Dortmund.
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Amazing signing. Fingers crossed.
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Did he play for Coventry for a season?
Burnley. Spend the second half of the season on loan to Dortmund.
Coventry the year before he was at Burnley though.
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Ornstein reporting it here
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/1803478075813847273?s=46
"Just north of now expired £35m release clause."
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Did he play for Coventry for a season?
Burnley. Spend the second half of the season on loan to Dortmund.
Coventry the year before he was at Burnley though.
Thanks, didn't know that.
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Sounds good to me. I do like Digne and Moreno though.
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Sounds good to me. I do like Digne and Moreno though.
I like them too but he's 22, and they're both the other side of 30.
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Sounds good to me. I do like Digne and Moreno though.
I like them too but he's 22, and they're both the other side of 30.
This is it. Need to move one on, not both (and it'll be a shame). Tough decision too. Digne in better form, but on more money. Not sure what I'd do tbh.
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Moreno's over 30? Ageing like a fine wine
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Digne generally fitter though.
(not looks wise mind)
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I'd be a bit sad seeing him saying "another one" in a Chelsea shirt.
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I reckon Digne will be off to Saudi.
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Mmmmmmaatsens.
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I reckon Digne will be off to Saudi.
Non merci.
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I'd be a bit sad seeing him saying "another one" in a Chelsea shirt.
They could do with him, Chilwell seems to have had some kind of Stephen Warnock-like regression and Cucurella is utter Blues.
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Someone’s updated his profile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Maatsen
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Good signing….Digne did well this season….Moreno on the odd occasion he was fit was pretty average for me
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A statement signing if true.
He will improve the first XI in my opinion and lowers the average age. If we can get onana too then I think we are better than last season even with Luiz, Duran and Tim leaving.
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He was named in the CL team of the season. I'd say that's pretty decent.
(https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/028e-1b0b073031ee-caa59d17d958-1000/format/free1/ucl_tots.jpeg?imwidth=2048)
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Proper player this lad.
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He was named in the CL team of the season. I'd say that's pretty decent.
Saw that on the Chelsea forum, I suppose he'll have to do.
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Who do Chelsea have playing at LB that's so good they don't need a CL player of the season?
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I’d rather have Alan Wright. Not bad otherwise.
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Never heard of him. But that’s typical!
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I'd be a bit sad seeing him saying "another one" in a Chelsea shirt.
They could do with him, Chilwell seems to have had some kind of Stephen Warnock-like regression and Cucurella is utter Blues.
I always think Chilwell is really good but that's probably just because he tends to play well against us.
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I'd be a bit sad seeing him saying "another one" in a Chelsea shirt.
They could do with him, Chilwell seems to have had some kind of Stephen Warnock-like regression and Cucurella is utter Blues.
I always think Chilwell is really good but that's probably just because he tends to play well against us.
If nothing else Chilwell is absolutely on it....and always against us!
And he's got that nice touch of "attitude"!
Usually against us!!!
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Digne generally fitter though.
(not looks wise mind)
Maate!
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£35m ish deal, 6 Yr deal = c.£6m on PSR annually.
Either we're going to push the deal forward to July 1 so the £6m doesn't hit until next season, or we're confident that we've got PSR sorted this year sufficient to take this £6m hit.
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Played in Champion's League Final last season and Dortmund wanted to keep him.
So must be half decent.
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£35m ish deal, 6 Yr deal = c.£6m on PSR annually.
Either we're going to push the deal forward to July 1 so the £6m doesn't hit until next season, or we're confident that we've got PSR sorted this year sufficient to take this £6m hit.
You would think it'll be from 1 July. No point loading extra amortisation in this year when you don't need to. Obviously they look at a 3 year rolling period, so you don't want to be putting any extra costs into this year if you can help it.
I'd also be amazed if this doesn't mean that Duran is moving in the opposite direction.
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Hope this is true. He’s in the conversation as the best young left back in Europe.
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£35m ish deal, 6 Yr deal = c.£6m on PSR annually.
Either we're going to push the deal forward to July 1 so the £6m doesn't hit until next season, or we're confident that we've got PSR sorted this year sufficient to take this £6m hit.
You would think it'll be from 1 July. No point loading extra amortisation in this year when you don't need to. Obviously they look at a 3 year rolling period, so you don't want to be putting any extra costs into this year if you can help it.
I'd also be amazed if this doesn't mean that Duran is moving in the opposite direction.
Chelsea will basically use our money to pay for Duran. The skint pricks.
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If this happens then I will be absolutely delighted.
A young exciting attacking pacy wingback who is very comfortable on the ball & likes to run with it.
Still lots more potential & already one of the strongest wingbacks in Europe.
With potentially Iling-Junior, Ramsey or Rogers in front of him, thats an exciting bunch of young players for the side of the pitch that Emery loves to attack from, but found difficult to do last year due to our ridiculous injuries.
Very excited about this transfer & really hope that it goes through...
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£35m ish deal, 6 Yr deal = c.£6m on PSR annually.
Either we're going to push the deal forward to July 1 so the £6m doesn't hit until next season, or we're confident that we've got PSR sorted this year sufficient to take this £6m hit.
Can’t you only amortise for 5 years thanks, ironically, to Chelsea’s contract offers in the past few years. Even so, £7m a year is still good in the books.
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Hope this is true. He’s in the conversation as the best young left back in Europe.
Style wise a perfect fit for our system too.
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Chelsea will basically use our money to pay for Duran. The skint pricks.
They're not skint they just need to move players on to make a PSR profit, in exactly the same way we do.
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If this happens then I will be absolutely delighted.
A young exciting attacking pacy wingback who is very comfortable on the ball & likes to run with it.
Still lots more potential & already one of the strongest wingbacks in Europe.
With potentially Iling-Junior, Ramsey or Rogers in front of him, thats an exciting bunch of young players for the side of the pitch that Emery loves to attack from, but found difficult to do last year due to our ridiculous injuries.
Very excited about this transfer & really hope that it goes through...
Wot pp said!!! :-)
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We've never offered a 6 yr contract to a player before. What makes you think you're the one?
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Hopefully this happens, he looks brilliant.
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Chelsea will basically use our money to pay for Duran. The skint pricks.
They're not skint they just need to move players on to make a PSR profit, in exactly the same way we do.
oh I know they're not skint.
*rolling eyes thingy*
They are still pricks though
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£35m ish deal, 6 Yr deal = c.£6m on PSR annually.
Either we're going to push the deal forward to July 1 so the £6m doesn't hit until next season, or we're confident that we've got PSR sorted this year sufficient to take this £6m hit.
Can’t you only amortise for 5 years thanks, ironically, to Chelsea’s contract offers in the past few years. Even so, £7m a year is still good in the books.
Yeah, they changed it after Chelsea's mad spree.
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Wow - football has become an accountants wet dream
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Good signing this. Wasn't there some noise about Moreno wanting to go back to Spain? Might well be the last we've seen of him then.
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Would he be our first Ian since Ormandroid / Olney?
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Taylor!
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Bloody hell, how did I forget him?!
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Bloody hell, how did I forget him?!
who?
😳😃
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Aren’t six year contracts now invalid? 5 years is the max?
Is Duran still going to Chelsea? Confused dot com.
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Aren’t six year contracts now invalid? 5 years is the max?
Is Duran still going to Chelsea? Confused dot com.
I think you can offer the player whatever length contract you like, but in FFP terms the maximum you can spread it out over is 5 seasons (so £7m a season over 5 seasons for Maatsen)
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Basically - at the moment - Villas transfer activity is like a Meal Deal
I have no idea if I am paying over the odds, getting a great deal, or if I even want a fucking granola bar
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Aren’t six year contracts now invalid? 5 years is the max?
Is Duran still going to Chelsea? Confused dot com.
I think you can offer the player whatever length contract you like, but in FFP terms the maximum you can spread it out over is 5 seasons (so £7m a season over 5 seasons for Maatsen)
Yup.
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Matt Law in the DT
Aston Villa are close to signing Ian Maatsen after agreeing a deal worth £37.5 million with Chelsea but must still convince the left-back to make the move.
Chelsea have granted Villa permission to speak with Maatsen, who is on international duty with Holland at the European Championship.
Maatsen had a £35m release clause in his Chelsea contract, but Villa have agreed to pay slightly more in order to secure a more favourable payment schedule.
It is expected that Holland will allow the defender to speak with Villa remotely on video call, with head coach Unai Emery hoping to conclude a deal.
Maatsen spent the second half of last season on loan at Borussia Dortmund, where he had been keen to stay, but the German club have so far indicated they are not able to match Chelsea’s valuation.
Chelsea remain in talks to sign striker Jhon Duran from Villa, but also have other targets in the position, including Atletico Madrid’s Samu Omorodion and Bournemouth’s Dominic Solanke.
Villa and Chelsea have held talks over a number of players, with the Midlands club also expressing an interest in midfielder Conor Gallagher.
With profit and sustainability rules affecting all clubs, Villa had indicated that they would only sign a player from Chelsea if Duran moves to Stamford Bridge in a deal worth up to £40m.
It remains to be seen whether Chelsea will press ahead with a move for Duran, or whether a different Villa player could move to London should Maatsen agree to join Emery’s squad.
Maatsen reached the final of the Champions League during his half-season at Dortmund and produced a series of good performances for the German club.
But Dortmund refused to trigger the clause in Maatsen’s contract and do not want to match his valuation, which has opened the door for Villa to make their move.
Signing Maatsen would most likely mean at least one of Alex Moreno and Lucas Digne leaving Villa, while the club remain in talks with Juventus over Douglas Luiz’s proposed exit that would see players move in the opposite direction. And Everton have made an approach to sign 20-year-old midfielder Tim Iroegbunam.
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What convincing does he need?
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How long did he have left on his Chelsea contract? I'm assuming one more season, making him affordable while also being a generous amount for them.
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I wonder what his National Insurance number is.
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If Chelsea are willing to pay 40mil for Duran, how much would they pay for Solanke? He must be worth twice as much.
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If Duran is going the other way for say £20 million I suggest we bump up both transfer fees by £20 million to create a profit now and spread the extra cost over 5 years. Then keep Luiz.
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My son knows more about European club football than me and says this will be a really great signing. Good enough for me.
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From what I've heard on the pods dortmund fans loved him and were desperate to sign him
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If Duran is going the other way for say £20 million I suggest we bump up both transfer fees by £20 million to create a profit now and spread the extra cost over 5 years. Then keep Luiz.
Why 20m first 1bn players - job done - and we can all forget about this stupid balance sheet bollocks
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🚨🟣🔵 More on Ian Maatsen. Aston Villa have already started initial talks on personal terms.
Six year deal offered, details to follow on Thursday with formal proposal being sent to player’s camp.
Chelsea will receive £37.5m fee if all goes to plan on player and #AVFC side.
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Be a really good signing if this comes off. Was fantastic at Burnley, excellent half season at Dortmund and we do need a younger option at LB.
Think we'll be seeing Moreno head back to Spain before the start of next season.
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There go our jokes now
Maatsen had a £35m release clause in his Chelsea contract, but Villa have agreed to pay slightly more in order to secure a more favourable payment schedule.
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From what's been posted online elsewhere, the release clause only applied if the buying club was Borussia Dortmund and had, in any case, expired.
I seem to recall we gave Coventry more than the release clause for Dublin to see off interest from Blackburn, which was amazingly un-Douglike.
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From what's been posted online elsewhere, the release clause only applied if the buying club was Borussia Dortmund and had, in any case, expired.
I seem to recall we gave Coventry more than the release clause for Dublin to see off interest from Blackburn, which was amazingly un-Douglike.
Can we pay him to stop being a pundit?
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Surely if Blackburn offered a release clause and Dublin wanted to go there, what we offered is irrelevant. I don't recall any release clause for him though.
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I think they offered the release clause of £5 million, he preferred Villa, Coventry preferred not to sell to us. We eventually paid £5.75 million. He was regularly booed by Blackburn fans when we played them afterwards.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/1998/nov/06/newsstory.sport4
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That's not a realease clause.
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No, reading that it seems to be more of a "chat clause". Alan Partridge would approve. I'm still not sure why we paid more than five million, though. That Doug was so Devil-may-care when it came to spending.
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Because there was no releasse clause and Coventry didn't want to sell, especially to us, I don't blame them for getting every penny they could. Fat lot of good it did the batch eating twats though.
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What's the point of a clause that allows a player to talk to a club if he can't then sign for them? Strange.
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There's been a few of them in the past, Suarez was a well known one. I don't think they really exist any more.
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There's been a few of them in the past, Suarez was a well known one. I don't think they really exist any more.
Replaced by a 'nice sit down, a cup of tea, and a slice of cake ' clause now, I believe. There's more money in football these days you see
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So Dion was on the same money at us as he was at Cov. Poor fella.
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Really good signing this.
It's interesting that it is in a position where we probably already most strong with two excellent left backs. Pretty sure one of them will now be sold, but the club certainly seem to think no position can't be improved (except maybe striker and GK).
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So Dion was on the same money at us as he was at Cov. Poor fella.
I remember seeing on Teletext that Blackburn and Middlesborough were in for Dublin at £5m + and thinking "Fancy paying that for that donkey".
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I realized overnight I want this deal to happen mainly because of the probable spelling disasters. Two a’s in Maatsen will become one a or many more a’s. And autocorrect is going to have a field day. So along with Iling-Junior and Barrenechea, let the spelling nightmare’s commence.
Ross Barkley by comparison is boring.
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Really good signing this.
It's interesting that it is in a position where we probably already most strong with two excellent left backs. Pretty sure one of them will now be sold, but the club certainly seem to think no position can't be improved (except maybe striker and GK).
This is all about age. We have 2 good left backs but they're both the wrong side of 30. From the deals in January and again now I think there's clearly a focus on adding younger players to the squad.
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I realized overnight I want this deal to happen mainly because of the probable spelling disasters. Two a’s in Maatsen will become one a or many more a’s. And autocorrect is going to have a field day. So along with Iling-Junior and Barrenechea, let the spelling nightmare’s commence.
Ross Barkley by comparison is boring.
I dunno, Barclay has potential.
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I realized overnight I want this deal to happen mainly because of the probable spelling disasters. Two a’s in Maatsen will become one a or many more a’s. And autocorrect is going to have a field day. So along with Iling-Junior and Barrenechea, let the spelling nightmare’s commence.
Ross Barkley by comparison is boring.
I dunno, Barclay has potential.
True. And you know that e in his last name is going missing too.
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So Dion was on the same money at us as he was at Cov. Poor fella.
I remember seeing on Teletext that Blackburn and Middlesborough were in for Dublin at £5m + and thinking "Fancy paying that for that donkey".
And within 3 games of joining us, he had 7 goals to put us top of the table! I wonder if anyone else has made such an immediate impact for us/anyone.
Stan Collymore managed 7 goals in total for us.
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So Dion was on the same money at us as he was at Cov. Poor fella.
I remember seeing on Teletext that Blackburn and Middlesborough were in for Dublin at £5m + and thinking "Fancy paying that for that donkey".
And within 3 games of joining us, he had 7 goals to put us top of the table! I wonder if anyone else has made such an immediate impact for us/anyone.
Stan Collymore managed 7 goals in total for us.
Yeah I changed my view very quickly.
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4 in his next 21 showed you weren't far off originally.
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I realized overnight I want this deal to happen mainly because of the probable spelling disasters. Two a’s in Maatsen will become one a or many more a’s. And autocorrect is going to have a field day. So along with Iling-Junior and Barrenechea, let the spelling nightmare’s commence.
Ross Barkley by comparison is boring.
I dunno, Barclay has potential.
Starting line up of Matsen, Illing Jr, Barracuda, Rodgers, and Barcley.
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I realized overnight I want this deal to happen mainly because of the probable spelling disasters. Two a’s in Maatsen will become one a or many more a’s. And autocorrect is going to have a field day. So along with Iling-Junior and Barrenechea, let the spelling nightmare’s commence.
Ross Barkley by comparison is boring.
I dunno, Barclay has potential.
Starting line up of Matsen, Illing Jr, Barracuda, Rodgers, and Barcley.
Not forgetting Ollsen, Ramsay, Bayley, Diabby....and Big Tim Irrogbenham!
It's a winnner!
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4 in his next 21 showed you weren't far off originally.
C'mon, Dion was good!
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Evening everyone, here’s a short video detailing everything you need to know about Ian Maatsen for those of you interested. In my eyes, this is one of the signings of the summer, and I’m stunned Chelsea have left him go to a fellow domestic rival in Aston Villa. I hope you find this useful – feel free to ask me any questions you may have about the kid, cheers!
https://youtu.be/xFBzPRE7Y5U?si=YdERIURGFJ09tKol
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Cheers Uti. Looking forward to your videos on the Juve players we seem to be signing.
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Uti lives! Now where's Marshall with his adidas kit templates?
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Nearly £40m for someone who's "piss poor in the air". 😂😂
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I realized overnight I want this deal to happen mainly because of the probable spelling disasters. Two a’s in Maatsen will become one a or many more a’s. And autocorrect is going to have a field day. So along with Iling-Junior and Barrenechea, let the spelling nightmare’s commence.
Ross Barkley by comparison is boring.
I dunno, Barclay has potential.
And as soon as he has a mediocre game instantly changeable to Berkley.
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And Gabby Agbongalor as a rather hopeless blues fan I used to know called him.
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Exciting signing really hope it happens
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I realized overnight I want this deal to happen mainly because of the probable spelling disasters. Two a’s in Maatsen will become one a or many more a’s. And autocorrect is going to have a field day. So along with Iling-Junior and Barrenechea, let the spelling nightmare’s commence.
Ross Barkley by comparison is boring.
Just try saying Maatsen without saying mmm
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So Dion was on the same money at us as he was at Cov. Poor fella.
I remember seeing on Teletext that Blackburn and Middlesborough were in for Dublin at £5m + and thinking "Fancy paying that for that donkey".
And within 3 games of joining us, he had 7 goals to put us top of the table! I wonder if anyone else has made such an immediate impact for us/anyone.
Stan Collymore managed 7 goals in total for us.
Yeah I changed my view very quickly.
I have often wondered what might have happened had we signed him a few years earlier instead of Savo.
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So Dion was on the same money at us as he was at Cov. Poor fella.
I remember seeing on Teletext that Blackburn and Middlesborough were in for Dublin at £5m + and thinking "Fancy paying that for that donkey".
And within 3 games of joining us, he had 7 goals to put us top of the table! I wonder if anyone else has made such an immediate impact for us/anyone.
Stan Collymore managed 7 goals in total for us.
For us, Saunders was close with 6 in his first 4 games.
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I bet there's someone from the 1890s or so who scored about twenty goals in their first six games.
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Evening everyone, here’s a short video detailing everything you need to know about Ian Maatsen for those of you interested. In my eyes, this is one of the signings of the summer, and I’m stunned Chelsea have left him go to a fellow domestic rival in Aston Villa. I hope you find this useful – feel free to ask me any questions you may have about the kid, cheers!
https://youtu.be/xFBzPRE7Y5U?si=YdERIURGFJ09tKol
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7NZi8RB24mc
I can't get this guys voice out of my head
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Romano
Ian Maatsen to Aston Villa for £37.m fee and Omari Kellyman to Chelsea for £19m will be formally completed as separate deals.
Chelsea were planning to sign one player from Villa with Academy talent being strong possibility.
Bye bye Omari
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What does this mean for Durán, I wonder?
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What does this mean for Durán, I wonder?
Might still happen as a separate deal by all accounts.
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Kellyman leaving would really piss me off, I’d love to seem have seen him given a chance.
Makes you wonder whether we’ll ever see academy players in the first team again, with young kids being brought in simply to make a profi on, we may as well not know their names just give them a catalogue number.
I get the issue with the finance rules, but that can also be used as an excuse for bad decisions in first team recruitment. We deserve to be docked points just for throwing away all that money on Coutinho.
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Kellyman leaving would really piss me off, I’d love to seem have seen him given a chance.
Makes you wonder whether we’ll ever see academy players in the first team again, with young kids being brought in simply to make a profi on, we may as well not know their names just give them a catalogue number.
I get the issue with the finance rules, but that can also be used as an excuse for bad decisions in first team recruitment. We deserve to be docked points just for throwing away all that money on Coutinho.
It’s a football factory. Keep the very best and sell the others who we can make a good profit on.
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Romano
Ian Maatsen to Aston Villa for £37.m fee and Omari Kellyman to Chelsea for £19m will be formally completed as separate deals.
Chelsea were planning to sign one player from Villa with Academy talent being strong possibility.
Bye bye Omari
Wait till pablo_picasso finds out.
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I know.
And while Im delighted with the potential Maatsen deal, I hate the potential Kellyman deal.
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Why? Maatsen was one of the best left backs in Europe last year, played in the Champions League final and we're bagging him for £17m more than a kid with potential, who looked alright in 50 minutes against a side who would struggle in League 2 that were 8 nil down on aggregate.
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Bloody hell £19 mil for kid who has hardly had a kick is quite unbelievable. Chelsea loves our academy and if Duran goes for the alledgd £35m that will be almost £85 m in 3 youth players (if you add Chuck)
Proving to be a very good money making production line.
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Why? Maatsen was one of the best left backs in Europe last year, played in the Champions League final and we're bagging him for £17m more than a kid with potential, who looked alright in 50 minutes against a side who would struggle in League 2 that were 8 nil down on aggregate.
I rate Maatsen & am delighted with the potential transfer.
I have stated as such multiple times cross the forum.
I just don't want us to sell Kellyman. At all.
I want us to develop him into the unique player I think he could be.
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I think people need to lower their expectations about players from our academy (or at least poached to augment it) and their capacity to make it. We've produced 2 in the past decade good enough for it. One went for £100m, the other will hopefully be back raring to go in August. They are few and far between.
"Think", "might", "maybe" won't keep us in the Champions League, but it can fund others who will and allow us to comply with rules.
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We wouldn't be where we are now if it wasn't for the £200m raised from our academy. It's short-term pain for long-term gain. Once we're regularly a CL side with a huge commercial operation behind us, instead of selling promising players we can give them Championship and Premier League loan moves until they can either come through to our first team (if they reach that standard) or sell them for £20m+ to a middling Prem side.
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Medical this weekend according to the goal hanger.
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Brilliant. Maatsen will be a great signing who I expect to share the left back position with ideally Digne who is better defensively. He seems like an upgrade on Moreno.
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I think people need to lower their expectations about players from our academy (or at least poached to augment it) and their capacity to make it. We've produced 2 in the past decade good enough for it. One went for £100m, the other will hopefully be back raring to go in August. They are few and far between.
"Think", "might", "maybe" won't keep us in the Champions League, but it can fund others who will and allow us to comply with rules.
I "think" (sorry) the other thing is that its timing for players as well. Ramsey got amble opportunity because we were rebuilding when we came up. Grealish had years of us being substandard to help him establish himself and "mature".
Neither would have the luxury of it they were coming into the squad now. This combined with FFP meaning that you would be crazy not to sale home grown players, means this is what well need to get used to until FFP changes
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European games offer an opportunity for players coming through. I know the format has changed but there’s often dead games. The champions League will be a big ask but either of the other competitions will offer ample opportunity.
We just need to maintain ourselves at this level.
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I would hope we can at least manage to be in contention for the playoff stage of the CL "group" stage, which should mean no dead games.
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I think people need to lower their expectations about players from our academy (or at least poached to augment it) and their capacity to make it. We've produced 2 in the past decade good enough for it. One went for £100m, the other will hopefully be back raring to go in August. They are few and far between.
"Think", "might", "maybe" won't keep us in the Champions League, but it can fund others who will and allow us to comply with rules.
Yes, there was nobody really coming through before Emery arrived, let alone now. Despite a promising set of players who won the Youth Cup a few years ago, none of them have really come through to the first team squad and our better young players seem to be ones we have bought from other clubs anyway. Should our Academy be doing a bit better in providing players who are going to play for us, rather than just get sold on?
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I think people need to lower their expectations about players from our academy (or at least poached to augment it) and their capacity to make it. We've produced 2 in the past decade good enough for it. One went for £100m, the other will hopefully be back raring to go in August. They are few and far between.
"Think", "might", "maybe" won't keep us in the Champions League, but it can fund others who will and allow us to comply with rules.
Yes, there was nobody really coming through before Emery arrived, let alone now. Despite a promising set of players who won the Youth Cup a few years ago, none of them have really come through to the first team squad and our better young players seem to be ones we have bought from other clubs anyway. Should our Academy be doing a bit better in providing players who are going to play for us, rather than just get sold on?
I don’t know about that. I bet Mark Harrison is the most popular bloke at the club amongst the hierarchy right now.
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🚨💣 Ian Maatsen to Aston Villa — here we go! Medical completed & all details of contract agreed, 6 year contract!
@FabrizioRomano
#avfc
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Big signing. Two or three more of this calibre next month and we’ll be in good shape.
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Big signing. Two or three more of this calibre next month and we’ll be in good shape.
It is clearly the biggest signing so far (assuming everything completes as expected) but I don't think the lads from Juve are miles behind him. Those 3 are great young players to add to the squad. What I like is how many U23 players we now have around the squad, it means we should be well set for a good few years.
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I assume we won't be passing the green training top to Maatsen for a photo until after the Euros.
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On its own merit, this is a superb signing.
I am absolutely delighted that he is coming & with Iling-Junior in front of him, thats a lot of pace, a lot of forward running & a lot of crossing into the box.
I cant wait.
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🚨💣 Ian Maatsen to Aston Villa — here we go! Medical completed & all details of contract agreed, 6 year contract!
@FabrizioRomano
#avfc
Is that the longest contract we've ever given a player?
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🚨💣 Ian Maatsen to Aston Villa — here we go! Medical completed & all details of contract agreed, 6 year contract!
@FabrizioRomano
#avfc
Is that the longest contract we've ever given a player?
We’ve never given a 6. Plenty of 5’s over the years including current players. Thank fuck really given some of dross we’ve given 4’s and 5’s to.
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Makes sense going 6 with someone like this who is young and potentially going to be brilliant. Gives us a fair bit of control if someone "bigger" comes knocking in a few years. I'd be worried if we were giving 6 year deals to the likes of Barkley though.
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We gave Given a 5 I think, fucking bonkers.
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We gave Given a 5 I think, fucking bonkers.
At the age of 67 as weak. Madness.
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Exciting signing, one of Moreno or Digne must be off. Maatsen's profile is excellent and really looking forward to seeing him progress under Emery.
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In the Times it says he counts as a “home grown player” because of his time at Chelski. Good for the CL squad balance.
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This is going to be a top signing. Very exciting
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I think we're alright in terms of the homegrown in England numbers. It's the 4 homegrown at Villa that may require some thinking.
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Its laughable that the likes of Martinez is considered home grown - just goes to show that some of the rules in football are just stupid
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In the Times it says he counts as a “home grown player” because of his time at Chelski. Good for the CL squad balance.
I think Iling-Jr will be the same. He was a product of the Chelsea system also.
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In the Times it says he counts as a “home grown player” because of his time at Chelski. Good for the CL squad balance.
I think Iling-Jr will be the same. He was a product of the Chelsea system also.
I would be surprised if a player who was born and lived in Islington most of his life, and played for nearly every England U team, wouldn't count as home grown. Otherwise the system really is bonkers.
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Its laughable that the likes of Martinez is considered home grown - just goes to show that some of the rules in football are just stupid
I wouldn't say it's laughable. He moved to Arsenal when he was 17, so a large part of his development was in England. It wouldn't be crazy to reduce the age threshold but it's not that daft as it is.
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He's clearly a homegrown player. Where we look like we may struggle is the 4 club grown players.
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Its laughable that the likes of Martinez is considered home grown - just goes to show that some of the rules in football are just stupid
True but until they define Heaven as a country he has to come from somewhere.
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He's clearly a homegrown player. Where we look like we may struggle is the 4 club grown players.
These are all listed on the Premier League website.
Ramsey J
O'Reilly
Archer
Kesler - Hayden
Sinisalo
Marschall
Wright
Proctor
Patterson
Feeney
Revan
Young
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I thought O'Reilly had been released?
Edit:
Scratch that. I didn't realise there were two of them.
Aaron was released, not Tommi.
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I thought O'Reilly had been released?
T’ick as a plank.
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He's clearly a homegrown player. Where we look like we may struggle is the 4 club grown players.
These are all listed on the Premier League website.
Ramsey J
O'Reilly
Archer
Kesler - Hayden
Sinisalo
Marschall
Wright
Proctor
Patterson
Feeney
Revan
Young
You'd assume that our four will likely be Ramsey, either Sinisalo or Marschall as third choice keeper for the Champions League instead of Gauchi, KKH and whichever extra youth is kept around rather than being on loan? Doesn't feel like Archer will still be here and it doesn't feel like we're going to bring back one of the former players just to get four players.
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I thought O'Reilly had been released?
T’ick as a plank.
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I'm still giddy with excitement over there being new Fawlty Towers and I am 100% certain that it definitely won't be incredibly shit.
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I'm still giddy with excitement over there being new Fawlty Towers and I am 100% certain that it definitely won't be incredibly shit.
I suggest you avoid the new Frazier.
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I'm still giddy with excitement over there being new Fawlty Towers and I am 100% certain that it definitely won't be incredibly shit.
I suggest you avoid the new Frazier.
Bringing Rodney on board didn't help then?
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Yeah, he was better in Goodnight Sweetheart.
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Yeah, he was better in Goodnight Sweetheart.
And that was awful
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Yeah, he was better in Goodnight Sweetheart.
And that was awful
Eamonn’s right though.
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🟣🔵✍🏻 Ian Maatsen, set to sign his six year deal at Aston Villa today.
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Fantastic signing.
Just fantastic.
Couldn't be happier for him to join us & cannot wait to see him in our team.
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For those that follow European football - at this price this guy is i assume coming in as a first teamer and probable starter?
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I would be surprised if he wasn't...
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For those that follow European football - at this price this guy is i assume coming in as a first teamer and probable starter?
Nailed on for me.
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Excellent - in a Mr Burns voice thingy
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For the money we're paying him/for him, I'll expect him to pour beers for the punters in the half-time rush if we're 3-0 up after 36 minutes.
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He needs to start practicing "ANOTHER ONE!!"
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I'm still giddy with excitement over there being new Fawlty Towers and I am 100% certain that it definitely won't be incredibly shit.
I suggest you avoid the new Frazier.
Bringing Rodney on board didn't help then?
I thought he was really good in what I have seen, tbh.
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He needs to start practicing "ANOTHER ONE!!"
Ironically it was Luca Digne's reaction when he was told Villa were signing a new left full back.
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He needs to start practicing "ANOTHER ONE!!"
Ironically it was Luca Digne's reaction when he was told Villa were signing a new left full back.
I wouldn't be surprised if Digne is still here in September.
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He needs to start practicing "ANOTHER ONE!!"
Ironically it was Luca Digne's reaction when he was told Villa were signing a new left full back.
I wouldn't be surprised if Digne is still here in September.
"ANOTHER GONE??"
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Signed
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/june/28/Villa-announce-Ian-Maatsen-signing/
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Yessssss!
Fantastic signing. Welcome ian !
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Don't be shit please Ian.
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Yessssss!
Fantastic signing. Welcome ian !
I'm cautiously optimistic, but waiting on the Tim seal of approval.
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Welcome Ian. You sound good. I would like it if you were. Many thanks.
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Brilliant news. Be good Ian.
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Come on Maats!!!
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Welcome to Aston Villa Ian Maatsen!
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Welcome Ian. You sound good. I would like it if you were. Many thanks.
This
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Yessssss!
Fantastic signing. Welcome ian !
I'm cautiously optimistic, but waiting on the Tim seal of approval.
Maat....
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Welcome Ian, please be outstanding.
It’s an unusual name for a Dutch man. Or maybe it isn’t.
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Welcome Ian, please be outstanding.
It’s an unusual name for a Dutch man. Or maybe it isn’t.
Maat is in Egyptian mythologi goddness and steward of truth, justice and order.
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Out of nowhere!
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Welcome Ian, please be outstanding.
It’s an unusual name for a Dutch man. Or maybe it isn’t.
There seem to be nineteen active Dutch Ians playing football. I reckon we've got the best one, though.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/detailsuche/spielerdetail/suche/48884939
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My chelsea mate text me saying thanka for the 37.5m for our 3rd choice left back that will help us with FFP.
I really hope maatsen shows what they are missing. I mean their left backs are injury prone chillwell and cucrella who ia shite.
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My chelsea mate text me saying
Well quite.
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My chelsea mate text me saying
Thanks for sharing.
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Seems an excellent price for one of the top young fullbacks around. Great bit of business.
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My chelsea mate text me saying thanka for the 37.5m for our 3rd choice left back that will help us with FFP.
I really hope maatsen shows what they are missing. I mean their left backs are injury prone chillwell and cucrella who ia shite.
Indeed. Nothing that clever about your best left-back being your third choice.
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Awesome, and another who likes his lion's facing left :)
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Love that we've announced this before 1 July. Obviously the accounting stuff going on behind the scenes to meet PSR is totally under control within the club, but to put this out on the last working day of the fiscal year everyone is focussing on is a fabulous "up yours" to the cartel etc.
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That should be our left back for the next 10+ years sorted. Nice one Chelsea!
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Lame that there's no official picture because he's off bench warming in Germany. Surely someone could have taken a training top and a camera to a training session.
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My chelsea mate text me saying thanka for the 37.5m for our 3rd choice left back that will help us with FFP.
I really hope maatsen shows what they are missing. I mean their left backs are injury prone chillwell and cucrella who ia shite.
It’s the same sort of thing that gets some of our fans suggesting selling Doug is a positive.
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Welcome to your best ever club?
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Massively helps the age profile at left back too. I assume one of Digne or Moreno is off, and I’d assume it’s the latter.
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Ian, welcome. Don’t be just good be great.
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That is left back sorted for the rest of this decade! What a signing.
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My chelsea mate text me saying thanka for the 37.5m for our 3rd choice left back that will help us with FFP.
I really hope maatsen shows what they are missing. I mean their left backs are injury prone chillwell and cucrella who ia shite.
It’s the same sort of thing that gets some of our fans suggesting selling Doug is a positive.
Yeah im personally gutted he is going. He is going to be very difficult to replace. If it was 95% of any other manager id be worried but i trust unai
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Welcome Ian, please be outstanding.
It’s an unusual name for a Dutch man. Or maybe it isn’t.
There seem to be nineteen active Dutch Ians playing football. I reckon we've got the best one, though.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/detailsuche/spielerdetail/suche/48884939
Nineteen active Dutch Ians was the reason for my uncle’s discharge. They also threw him out of the army.
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And what ever happened to the 47 ginger-headed sailors?
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Welcome Ian. Hope you win lots of medals.
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Welcome to Villa Ian, been a while since we’ve had such a great name.
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My chelsea mate text me saying thanka for the 37.5m for our 3rd choice left back that will help us with FFP.
I really hope maatsen shows what they are missing. I mean their left backs are injury prone chillwell and cucrella who ia shite.
Hope you said thanks for the 40 million for our tenth choice midfielder in 2024 and sixth choice midfielder in 2022. And every club they take managers from once a year say thanks for all the compo. Now fuck off back to your hamlet in Surrey where stockbrokers go to die.
He may not be your mate after all that but Villa first, right?
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Is it too much to ask for our new LB to be given the number 3 shirt and not have it belong to a reserve CB?
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Excellent. First of what I’m expecting to be three Champions League-ready now signings.
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Grrr.
Woke up to a text from my 6ft 4 mate complaining that 5’ 10 is not a positive attribute.
I’m 5’ 10! >:(
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Giant compared to my 5’9!
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Yes, I think all the best Full Backs across the ages have been at least 6'4".
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Erm, see Roberto Carlos
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Our last Ians?
Ross
Hamilton
Lavender (fan rather than player)
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Our last Ians?
Ross
Hamilton
Lavender (fan rather than player)
Did you forget Taylor?
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Our last Ians?
Ross
Hamilton
Lavender (fan rather than player)
Did you forget Taylor?
D'oh yes..how could I :(
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So the last Ian to play for us was the last time we won a trophy ;)
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So the last Ian to play for us was the last time we won a trophy ;)
Good point, although there must have been some crap Ian in berween that we're forgetting.
Links have gone quiet on Ian Acho from Leicester
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Ian Olney
Ian Ormondroyd
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Not seen much of him but it's a popular signing which is good. Welcome Ian.
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As I mentioned before, I am absolutely delighted with this signing. Especially now it's been announced.
He has pace, ability on the ball, loves to get forward, has good crossing, can pass, can tackle & still has massive amounts of potential to grow into over the next decade at Villa.
I think that with Maatsen at LWB, Iling-Junior & Ramsey at LM, With Rogers to also cover LM, thats an exciting, attacking, pacy left side for opposition defences to have to worry about.
Not sure what we plan to do with LWB cover, other than maybe Iling-Junior. I don't think selling both Digne & Moreno is a good idea & if Im honest, Im torn on who I would like to keep around as both have their issues, along with their plus points.
I trust the club to make the right choice though.
Either way, Im delighted with Maatsen...
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He inverts like Udogie too.
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Yeah, our left side will be something to fear.
With Digne and Moreno, I get the feeling that they will sell whichever gets a deal in place.
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My chelsea mate text me saying thanka for the 37.5m for our 3rd choice left back that will help us with FFP.
I really hope maatsen shows what they are missing. I mean their left backs are injury prone chillwell and cucrella who ia shite.
Hope you said thanks for the 40 million for our tenth choice midfielder in 2024 and sixth choice midfielder in 2022. And every club they take managers from once a year say thanks for all the compo. Now fuck off back to your hamlet in Surrey where stockbrokers go to die.
He may not be your mate after all that but Villa first, right?
😂😂😂😍
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Welcome Ian, please be outstanding.
It’s an unusual name for a Dutch man. Or maybe it isn’t.
Maat is in Egyptian mythologi goddness and steward of truth, justice and order.
Ptah for that.
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I see he made Championship team of the season when at Burnley, and then Champions League team of the season last year. Hopefully there'll be no real adjustment for the Premier Leagur required.
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I have a feeling about this one. I think this will turn out to be a good bit of business. Please feel free to copy and paste this in my face in 2 years time XD
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The greatest Ian in the Prem, currently.
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Welcome to Villa Ian, been a while since we’ve had such a great name.
We say Never! Never! Never!
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I have a feeling about this one. I think this will turn out to be a good bit of business. Please feel free to copy and paste this in my face in 2 years time XD
I do as well. For all the "Chelsea mates" and "3rd left back", said 3rd left back was actually competing in the top competition in Europe all the way to the final. Their other two were losing to kids in a cup final and getting birds nesting in their hair.
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Yep, all comes across as pretty salty to me.
Doesn't really matter, does it? We know we've signed a seriously good player.
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Any chance of Maatsen playing tonight for the Netherlands?
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Koeman appears to favour physically strong left-backs.
Once again, he started with Ake, replacing him with Van de Venn later on.
To be fair, Holland more or less dominated the match so didn't really need a 'creative' substitute.
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Send him back so he can get some rest before the new season if you're not going to pick him.
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Yeah Ronald McDonald.
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Was he even on the bench? I couldn’t see his name listed and I thought all players were available to be subs?
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Koeman appears to favour physically strong left-backs.
Once again, he started with Ake, replacing him with Van de Venn later on.
So another inadequate coach who wants CB's to play as fullbacks.
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Was he even on the bench? I couldn’t see his name listed and I thought all players were available to be subs?
No, he was ill.
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Was he even on the bench? I couldn’t see his name listed and I thought all players were available to be subs?
No, he was ill.
Obviously practising for when he arrives at Bodymoor and joins others in the treatment room!! ;-)
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Welcome officially Ian
https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1815391505135046776?s=46
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Welcome to Aston Villa Ian.
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That's his 'excited' voice.
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That's his 'excited' voice.
Just had memories of this scene:
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Another good looking lad, which I’m sure was a major factor in his signing
And probably the reason we were never interested in Cole Palmer
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Or perhaps we're preempting the signing of Palmer next summer by overloading on handsome gents this summer.
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A strong player going forward my reservation with Maatsen is discipline and concentration in defending
I think that will improve under Emery . It has too!
He's a great addition to the squad and will offer a great threat to the attacking play down the left.
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Looks like he'll be decent from his cameo. Digne massively upped his game when Moreno came in, here's to Maatsen forcing him to do it all over again.
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Very impressive performance
I love what we we are buying young established players for the future
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Yeah, me too.
The potential added to what are already some pretty talented footballers is great to see & exciting for the future.
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Think we need to start him next game. Thought digne was abit of a let down today
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Just watching the Fulham-Leicester highlights. Leicester backline is very slow so need to be starting Maatsen in this one.
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Was a very promising cameo. Hope he gets a start sooner rather than later.
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Suprised he hasnt started yet. He looks fit to start. Dignes done well but you would imagine maatsen should be no 1 very soon
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I’m not that surprised. Digne was excellent last year and he’s started this year well. Its helpful to give Maatsen the chance to bed in.
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Onana's gone straight in because we didn't really have another choice there, but it makes sense to give the other new faces time to bed in. I know Maatsen came from Chelsea but he hasn't played in the prem before, has he? Or not much if he has.
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I’m not that surprised. Digne was excellent last year and he’s started this year well. Its helpful to give Maatsen the chance to bed in.
Agree. Digne was very good yesterday but Maatsen looks an equally good player. He will get plenty of chances this season when we need to freshen things up.
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I’m not that surprised. Digne was excellent last year and he’s started this year well. Its helpful to give Maatsen the chance to bed in.
Dignes really impressed since moreno came here. He wasnt great when he first signed but we had that bozo gerrard in charge
Last season he was generally excellent. Its a good thing to have two qualith lbs fighting it out
Just a shame we havent sorted out the right side which is the more pressing area
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Onana's gone straight in because we didn't really have another choice there, but it makes sense to give the other new faces time to bed in. I know Maatsen came from Chelsea but he hasn't played in the prem before, has he? Or not much if he has.
He came off the bench for them a fair few times (10-15ish) last year before they loaned him out but only for 10-15minutes a time I think, I checked when eh joined because I thought the same.
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I checked his fantasy football stats and he has 1 start and 200 minutes for last season. So yeah, about 2.5 games. Obviously he's not completely green, but no harm in giving him a slow introduction.
I wouldn't be surprised if he starts in the CL though.
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Has been left out of the Dutch squad - presumably due to lack of playing time.
Hope this inspires him to be even better and win the LB spot rather than have a sulk about it
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Wasnt he only called up due to injuries?
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He's been called up to the U21s, though.
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God i cant stand international breaks
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God i cant stand international breaks
So early into the season too
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God i cant stand international breaks
Given our injuries, I think this has come at a good time for us.
Mings, Kamara, Cash and Bailey having 2 international breaks means we should only have to play a handful of games without them before November.
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What's happening with Ian ?
A terrific season with Dortmund in champions league , but an average performance in the Champions League final, in which he conceded a goal with a foolish ball across the defence.
He was only a late draft to the Netherlands senior team for Euro 24 as a replacement.
Exciting signing but He hasn't started a game for us and is back playing under 21 for the Netherlands.
I hope he is resilient since it must be frustrating for him not to play, and I am frustrated because I was excited to see him and expected him to be the primary left back this season.
Perhaps he is being spared for the Champions League because if he does not start v Young Boys but does start for Wycombe, he must be disappointed.
Expected more game time for him at least. He's a first team ready player.
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It's been three games. And he's currently behind Lucas Digne who is playing extremely well.
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Well Ian played even better last season so I think we can expect him to be first choice.
So aren't you surprised like me that Maatsen hasn't been starting ?
After all it's an impressive signing.
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We have the luxury of not needing to start the new player yet. He hasn't played that much in the prem, is still quite young, and was on international duty during the summer, even if he didn't play. We can ease him into things as long as Digne doesn't get injured any time soon. I wouldn't say it's a reflection of Maatsen at all.
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Well Ian played even better last season so I think we can expect him to be first choice.
So aren't you surprised like me that Maatsen hasn't been starting ?
After all it's an impressive signing.
It's 3 games, he joined the squad fairly late, and we now have a squad where we have a couple of quality players in most positions, there's nothing really to talk about yet. If he's still only got 1-2 starts by Christmas then you can start worrying.
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The only undroppable player we have (considering his replacement/s) is Martinez. Nobody else is assured of a game. And as such, when someone is doing really well, they hold the shirt.
Maatsen will get his chance, and, you'd suspect, he'll take it.
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Emery is continuing his strategy of swapping fullbacks out in each game around 65-70 minutes. Digne is seen as more defensive and will start where Emery wants to keep it tight or have asymmetry that favours the right side. And vice versa.
Nothing to see here.
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I bet maatsen will start the YB and wycombe games with signe in the league
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In basque he would be known as Iban.
Really as a Dutchman should be going with Johan or Jan or Jonny
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In basque he would be known as Iban.
Really as a Dutchman should be going with Johan or Jan or Johnny
What?
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The names for Ian. Iban, Johan, Jan or Jonny nickname Dutch
Upon further research Ian Maatsen is Dutch Surinamese
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Bloody hell, I'm looking forward to the AI department's next holiday.
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In basque he would be known as Iban.
Knowing that should facilitate any future transfers.
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In basque he would be known as Iban.
Knowing that should facilitate any future transfers.
That was swift.
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In basque he would be known as Iban.
Knowing that should facilitate any future transfers.
Better get the word out then, swift.
Forget it! >:(
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Come on CHAPS, let's leave the puns there and get BACs to discussing Maatsen.
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Oh, good work.
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The names for Ian. Iban, Johan, Jan or Jonny nickname Dutch
Upon further research Ian Maatsen is Dutch Surinamese
Maybe I should have said 'WHY?!' instead
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Come on CHAPS, let's leave the puns there and get BACs to discussing Maatsen.
I BAN puns on this topic from now.
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This is the current topic. No use saving it up for when it’s old news.
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Come on CHAPS, let's leave the puns there and get BACs to discussing Maatsen.
I BAN puns on this topic from now.
Take that to the bank.
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Bachman, Turner Overdraft - You Ain't Seen Maatsen Yet.
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What happened to Kozak, our dear Libor rate-d cheque?
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Everytime I see his name I’m reminded of this.
https://youtu.be/NqNkXWoVa-o?si=37ads_vF_rCDMRaf
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Iban to get start surely in one of next two matches.
I do think having his European pedigree he could be one that plays against Young Boys or Berne.
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He looks really good tbh. Surely will start vs YB
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I'm not averse him starting left side midfield with Digne left back in some circumstances or even have them on pitch at same time.
I wondering already who will be the best fullbacks both left and right to cope with Olise, Coman, Gnaby or Sane. Not to mention Musiala drifting around!
The Everton match today has made me even more excited for the Bayern Munich game at Villa Park!!
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And another one ... Where Iban doesn't start.
I would like rotation and guess the aim to start a game some point.
Looks like Wycombe and maybe Ipswich at this rate.
That's unfair.
I think has to be considered for Bayern Munich and Man Utd though.
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Iban?????
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And another one ... Where Iban doesn't start.
I would like rotation and guess the aim to start a game some point.
Looks like Wycombe and maybe Ipswich at this rate.
That's unfair.
I think has to be considered for Bayern Munich and Man Utd though.
Absolutely nobody calls him Iban. Give it a rest.
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Looking forward to seeing Iban this afternoon
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Iban mayo get a start on Tuesday.
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Ian Maatsen is very good. Not many teams in the world if any have a better pair of LB s than us.
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I think today was the day he won the starting place.
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Iban?????
Libor Kozak?
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Our tactic early today seemed to be to pick out Digne with an early pass and put their right back under pressure. I thought Maatsen would have been a better option if we were to do that and it was no surprise we played much better when he came on.
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Good player, we have made an excellent trade as they say in US of A.
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Was motm for me awesome performance
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Our tactic early today seemed to be to pick out Digne with an early pass and put their right back under pressure. I thought Maatsen would have been a better option if we were to do that and it was no surprise we played much better when he came on.
It was more to do with our inability to put Digne in although Maatsens recovery pace is very impressive.
But we were also unable to get him away on the left to use his speed.
I think we will see constant rotation of the 2 just as we did with Moreno.
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For the 3rd goal wonderful weighted pass by Maatsen into Rogers path to set it up across to Duran. Rogers pass too as an assist was excellent.
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It's a sublime pass to Rogers , perfect weight
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His 2nd crucial involvement resulting in goals in all the games he has come on.
It's fair that Digne has the shirt currently but this guy is the future
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Our tactic early today seemed to be to pick out Digne with an early pass and put their right back under pressure. I thought Maatsen would have been a better option if we were to do that and it was no surprise we played much better when he came on.
It was more to do with our inability to put Digne in although Maatsens recovery pace is very impressive.
But we were also unable to get him away on the left to use his speed.
I think we will see constant rotation of the 2 just as we did with Moreno.
That was because he was consistently playing too narrow, instead of hugging the touchline circa 10 yards further forward. Not a patch on Digne.
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Our tactic early today seemed to be to pick out Digne with an early pass and put their right back under pressure. I thought Maatsen would have been a better option if we were to do that and it was no surprise we played much better when he came on.
It was more to do with our inability to put Digne in although Maatsens recovery pace is very impressive.
But we were also unable to get him away on the left to use his speed.
I think we will see constant rotation of the 2 just as we did with Moreno.
That was because he was consistently playing too narrow, instead of hugging the touchline circa 10 yards further forward. Not a patch on Digne.
What do you mean by that?
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Ian Maatsen is yet to make his first start for #AVFC, but understands he's in a "process" and is excited to continue learning under Unai Emery.
"I'm happy to be at Villa. There's a lot to learn. I'm easy. I'm composed. I'm just trying to do my best, show the quality I have."
Great attitude. Long career ahead of him with us.
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Ian Maatsen is yet to make his first start for #AVFC, but understands he's in a "process" and is excited to continue learning under Unai Emery.
"I'm happy to be at Villa. There's a lot to learn. I'm easy. I'm composed. I'm just trying to do my best, show the quality I have."
Great attitude. Long career ahead of him with us.
Love it. This what i personally like to hear instead of moaning that he isnt getting games being patient and knows his time is coming.
Id be stunned if he isnt starting in next few games. He was brilliant saturday and my motm
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We're all in a "process".
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Got to admit didnt like maatsen on the left of midfield. He looked uncomfortable there
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Got to admit didnt like maatsen on the left of midfield. He looked uncomfortable there
He did but fuck me he put a shift in like Jaden on the other side and was still trying to get forwards late on to support Durán and Rogers.
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Got to admit didnt like maatsen on the left of midfield. He looked uncomfortable there
Definitely not his position. It's rare enough when moving a full back forward to the wing actually works. Getting their ball with the back to goal is a big change from what their used to.
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Did enough when he came on, but looked as uncomfortable in midfield as Cash does when asked to play there.
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I suspect he was brought on simply because Bailey was struggling, and it allowed Philogene to go back to his preferred side and be the more attacking of the two wider players. I doubt we'll see much of him and Digne on the pitch together, unless we're seeing out games or under the cosh, when we might need two players on that side who can defend properly.
He is very quick though, with that one break in the second half when Rogers couldn't quite find the right ball for him, he looked properly rapid through the middle.
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I think it was mostly about getting a bit more pace into the team so we could stop them pushing too high.
He's clearly not a winger but he did a job for the team.
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I think it was mostly about getting a bit more pace into the team so we could stop them pushing too high.
He's clearly not a winger but he did a job for the team.
Yes, straight away we got up the pitch a couple of times when he came on.
I reckon the plan was to swap him and Ramsey on the hour and keep Bailey as a just-in-case for Philogene but Ramsey's knock screwed that up.
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I think a league start is needed. It’d keep Digne fresh and stops a ‘first choice, second choice’ situation arising.
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Yeah id start maatsen foe this one give digne a breather
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I want Maatsen to have more game time.
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I want Maatsen to have more game time.
I do too but digne has been on great form so a bit harsh to drop him. He for me should be starting for bologna game we need his CL experience
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Digne has vastly more CL experience than Maatsen
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I think I got fed up with Digne during the 0-0 Man Utd . I felt Maatsen pace and attacking thrust would have been good to have starting and give Digne the break after Bayern.
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Digne has vastly more CL experience than Maatsen
Career wise yes but in last year he hasnt. Maatsen was excellent for dortmund last year
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Digne has vastly more CL experience than Maatsen
Career wise yes but in last year he hasnt. Maatsen was excellent for dortmund last year
Apart from the 2 most recent games also played. Strange logic
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Digne was my MotM in the Man United game. You could argue his set players weren't great but his general match play was excellent.
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Digne was my MotM in the Man United game. You could argue his set players weren't great but his general match play was excellent.
There was nothing excellent about that match!!
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Digne has vastly more CL experience than Maatsen
Career wise yes but in last year he hasnt. Maatsen was excellent for dortmund last year
Apart from the 2 most recent games also played. Strange logic
And how many did games did maatsen play in CL laat season ? And you are aware maatsen has played for us in CL this season as well?
Dont see how thats strange logic
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Digne has vastly more CL experience than Maatsen
Career wise yes but in last year he hasnt. Maatsen was excellent for dortmund last year
Apart from the 2 most recent games also played. Strange logic
And how many did games did maatsen play in CL laat season ? And you are aware maatsen has played for us in CL this season as well?
Dont see how thats strange logic
JFC have you bashed your head?
Experience only counts if it happens during certain time frames that you've made up?
On current form and regardless of the competition I think it's difficult to make a case for Maatsen starting over Digne, but I'm sure that will change at some point in the season.
But the logic of, just start him cos he's played in that competition for his experience, when digne has started the last 2 CL wins and has more experience has holes in it
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thought Maatsen was injured for a min when I saw it bumped to top . Relieved .
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Digne has vastly more CL experience than Maatsen
Career wise yes but in last year he hasnt. Maatsen was excellent for dortmund last year
Apart from the 2 most recent games also played. Strange logic
And how many did games did maatsen play in CL laat season ? And you are aware maatsen has played for us in CL this season as well?
Dont see how thats strange logic
JFC have you bashed your head?
Experience only counts if it happens during certain time frames that you've made up?
On current form and regardless of the competition I think it's difficult to make a case for Maatsen starting over Digne, but I'm sure that will change at some point in the season.
But the logic of, just start him cos he's played in that competition for his experience, when digne has started the last 2 CL wins and has more experience has holes in it
Mate maatsen got to CL final last season. Thats not made up thats fact. Digne was playing in a much inferior competition last season the conference
Its not just for his experience its to give maatsen some starts. He hasnt started a single CL or league game for us yet. He needs to be soon as he has been impressive when he has come on.
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He'll start v Palace in the Milk Cup .
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I like him to start v Fulham . Especially if he has to face Adama. Digne would struggle I saw Walker and Lewis outpaced and I think only Maatsen could keep up.
Cash on right back may contain him but also likely to foul Traroe
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I like him to start v Fulham . Especially if he has to face Adama. Digne would struggle I saw Walker and Lewis outpaced and I think only Maatsen could keep up.
Cash on right back may contain him but also likely to foul Traroe
You're assuming pace is the only criterion. Defending is as much about positional acuity, timing and marshalling your colleagues as being able to keep pace with a winger.
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Emery clearly likes to tire the opposition and then introduce pace. You don't get that if you start with Maatsen.
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I like him to start v Fulham . Especially if he has to face Adama. Digne would struggle I saw Walker and Lewis outpaced and I think only Maatsen could keep up.
Cash on right back may contain him but also likely to foul Traroe
You're assuming pace is the only criterion. Defending is as much about positional acuity, timing and marshalling your colleagues as being able to keep pace with a winger.
I do wonder for Maatsen not being trusted yet because it's was highlighted by Emery and also on MOTD our left side we were getting joy.
For all the worry about Traroe he wasn't offering any defensive corner and gave lot of room for Ramsey and Digne
Emery clearly likes to tire the opposition and then introduce pace. You don't get that if you start with Maatsen.
Well, it was perfect yesterday, not just when Fulham had o10 men, but the space was apparent even before the sending off.
Iban would have been very effective in attacking sense down the left yet wasn't given any opportunity yesterday, so it's not that clear.
For me, Iban has to start against Bologna not just for sake of rotation, but he's a Champions League-level left back for heaven's sake and must be used.
Why he was left on the bench all game yesterday was unfair to him.
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You think that Maatsen should start against Bologna? You might have mentioned it.
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Emery said after the game yesterday that the players who didn't start are important and are needed for Tuesday so it sounds like there will be some changes.
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Digne has been excellent so far this season. That’s got something to do with it.
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Bloody hell we’ve got a hell of a pair of left backs.
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Unbelievable tonight
What a performance. Certainly looks a step up from moreno
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90 minutes will do him the world of good. 2 top class left backs now.
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Brilliant at both ends of the pitch. What a selection headache to have. On performances, it's hard to rationalise dropping either LB.
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He is going to be great for us.
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Brilliant at both ends of the pitch. What a selection headache to have. On performances, it's hard to rationalise dropping either LB.
I wouldn't look at it as "dropping". They are different types of LBs so I'd just be picking based on the oppositions strengths and weaknesses.
Great to have both options.
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That was some performance - I was starting to think Emery wasn't playing him because he wasn't training up to standards but he was perfect tonight. Our competition for places is now right up there in this league
Remember when half people on here were convinced we had a paper thin squad and would pay for it? Anyone think that now?
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Did well tonight. Looks a real threat going forward.
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Very impressed. Technically he's so gifted. Put a shift in too. What wasn't to like?
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That was some performance - I was starting to think Emery wasn't playing him because he wasn't training up to standards but he was perfect tonight. Our competition for places is now right up there in this league
Remember when half people on here were convinced we had a paper thin squad and would pay for it? Anyone think that now?
One of a catalogue of howlers by people on here, happily.
“We haven’t replaced Diaby”
“The dreaded Konsa at right-back”
“Carlos is absolutely fucking shit”
“Nobody in their right mind would say we’ve upgraded in midfield”.
I was particularly miffed at the last one, as it was snidely posted just after I posted that if we sign Onana, we’ve upgraded in midfield.
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That was some performance - I was starting to think Emery wasn't playing him because he wasn't training up to standards but he was perfect tonight. Our competition for places is now right up there in this league
Remember when half people on here were convinced we had a paper thin squad and would pay for it? Anyone think that now?
One of a catalogue of howlers by people on here, happily.
“We haven’t replaced Diaby”
“The dreaded Konsa at right-back”
“Carlos is absolutely fucking shit”
“Nobody in their right mind would say we’ve upgraded in midfield”.
I was particularly miffed at the last one, as it was snidely posted just after I posted that if we sign Onana, we’ve upgraded in midfield.
I was surprised when we let both Barrenechea and IIing Junior go out on loan but squad depth now appears more than ample.
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Big question who starts saturday. For me you can't drop maatsen after that performance
Give digne a breather and start him for palace in carabao
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Digne starts. Maatsen was excellent, but Digne’s overall level has been exceptional.
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I think we need to get away from terms like dropped, with a proper squad there are always going to be good players on the bench, or not even making that. We need to stop thinking along the lines of not starting as being a punishment.
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Yeah it’s not dropping in this context.
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The small-time days when you have your absolute banker starting 11, including your lone actual quality player, a couple of talented disappointments one or two old stars firmly on the downtown, and about 3 players you're not actually sure are any good but they have to start anyway because the bench is full of kids, New Zealand internationals and the guy who helped get promotion by scoring an unlikely late winner at Blackpool - those days are over.
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He played well last night.
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As with Tielemans last season it's obvious that Unai is content to give players time to adapt to the way he wants to play before giving them their chance. When they are ready to step in they ARE ready. An incredibly promising performance. Digne will start at the weekend and Maatsen in the cup.
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As with Tielemans last season it's obvious that Unai is content to give players time to adapt to the way he wants to play before giving them their chance. When they are ready to step in they ARE ready. An incredibly promising performance. Digne will start at the weekend and Maatsen in the cup.
Agree with this overall, the exception being Onana, who has rarely been benched from the get-go. Will be interesting to see how that develops with Kamara back in the mix.
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Haven't been this giddy about a pair of left backs at the Villa since the heady days of Alan Wright and Najwan Ghrayib.
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Agree with this overall, the exception being Onana, who has rarely been benched from the get-go. Will be interesting to see how that develops with Kamara back in the mix.
Onana has been subbed at half-time twice so far, so your 'rarely' is doing a fair bit of heavy lifting there.
However, Barkley has played well when he's come on for him, and the other options in the squad now mean that everyone gets the chance to shine.
Re Maatsen, I thought he was excellent last night (effectively playing in front of a back three, Onana providing defensive cover when required) and gave Bologna a real headache down their right - I'm surprised that Sam I-J was not brought on earlier to provide cover down that side for them.
We are certainly blessed that we have 2 international LB that we can alternate.
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Agree with this overall, the exception being Onana, who has rarely been benched from the get-go. Will be interesting to see how that develops with Kamara back in the mix.
Onana has been subbed at half-time twice so far, so your 'rarely' is doing a fair bit of heavy lifting there.
Think that you have either misread or just misunderstood what was written. The point being that unlike others (Tielemans, Barkley, Maatsen), he has not spent a prolonged period of observation from the bench at the start of games (i.e., he’s mostly been in the starting 11).
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Double post curse, again!
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Well if Bouba was fit, Onana probably sees a similar bedding in period off the bench.
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I think the same, but will be interesting to see if that actually transpires, or whether Onana is just a blessed one in the eyes of Unai.
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Agree with this overall, the exception being Onana, who has rarely been benched from the get-go. Will be interesting to see how that develops with Kamara back in the mix.
Onana has been subbed at half-time twice so far, so your 'rarely' is doing a fair bit of heavy lifting there.
Think that you have either misread or just misunderstood what was written. The point being that unlike others (Tielemans, Barkley, Maatsen), he has not spent a prolonged period of observation from the bench at the start of games (i.e., he’s mostly been in the starting 11).
Oh, okay; understood.
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Poor tonight, very poor . Absolutely all over the place .
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It's hard to judge players when the team is changed so much, but even so, I'm struggling to see what made us pay so much for him.
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It's hard to judge players when the team is changed so much, but even so, I'm struggling to see what made us pay so much for him.
I do think he was part of the FFP trading - a decent player with potential but I dont think we woudl have bought him if Chelsea were buying Omai for 20m.
Dont get me wrong I think they rate him and see him as our future left back - but tbh it solved a problem that didnt exist currently when other issues did.
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Think he's been poor in the League Cup but generally good when he's played in the league and Europe. He's not alone there in fairness.
Just don't know why we're so lacklustre in this competition under Unai, when really it's one we should be pushing to win. It would be amazing if we got to the Quarters in the UCL. A miracle if we got beyond it. The big teams fancy the FA Cup far more. I get the games stack up but Palace weren't good by any stretch.
It's really a missed opportunity...again.
Maatsen is a good player but Digne gets the nod all day, every day, and twice on Sunday. For now.
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It's hard to judge players when the team is changed so much, but even so, I'm struggling to see what made us pay so much for him.
On the flipside he was excellent against Bologna. He’s a big talent.
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I thought maatsen was good 1st hald but poor 2nd. A tale of two halves
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It's hard to judge players when the team is changed so much, but even so, I'm struggling to see what made us pay so much for him.
He did get picked in the champions league team of the season. Not saying he’s reached that level but he does have previous.
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It's hard to judge players when the team is changed so much, but even so, I'm struggling to see what made us pay so much for him.
He did get picked in the champions league team of the season. Not saying he’s reached that level but he does have previous.
bit like scott carsen having 3 or 4 prem league medals
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It's hard to judge players when the team is changed so much, but even so, I'm struggling to see what made us pay so much for him.
He did get picked in the champions league team of the season. Not saying he’s reached that level but he does have previous.
bit like scott carsen having 3 or 4 prem league medals
It couldn’t be more different than that, could it? One is getting medals when not playing, one is being picked in a team of the season for his performances. Like, nearly the polar opposite?
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It's hard to judge players when the team is changed so much, but even so, I'm struggling to see what made us pay so much for him.
He did get picked in the champions league team of the season. Not saying he’s reached that level but he does have previous.
And he was one of the best players on the pitch against Bologna.
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Looks a far better player than the token opportunities afforded thus far.
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Gotta be our fastest player aswell, I'd hope we start using him more going forward.
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Looks a far better player than the token opportunities afforded thus far.
His limited opportunities are because Digne has been superb, he was really good again tonight. Maatsen has done really well for the most part, and is a brilliant option to have. At the moment, though, it’d be a weird call not to start Digne if you were picking our best starting 11.
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Move Konsa back into the middle and Maatsen to right back?
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Amidst a growing disbelief last night his entrance genuinely injected something and I was on the edge of my sofa when he got the ball.More please (©️Oliver Twist)
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Move Konsa back into the middle and Maatsen to right back?
Or play him ahead of Digne on the left.
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Looks a far better player than the token opportunities afforded thus far.
His limited opportunities are because Digne has been superb, he was really good again tonight. Maatsen has done really well for the most part, and is a brilliant option to have. At the moment, though, it’d be a weird call not to start Digne if you were picking our best starting 11.
Digne's done really well last year but not like he's part of a fantastic defensive unit currently?
It's odd as when we signed Moreno he came in and played pretty much straight away and we rotated him and Digne based on opposition so I was expecting that same to be happening with this signing.
If Maatsen dosen't start v Palace it will be December before he starts a prem game for us. He was also an unused sub v Spurs so not like he always plays off the bench either.
I just find it really odd that we're not using one of our quickest players when we've had many games with sterile football this season.
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Looks a far better player than the token opportunities afforded thus far.
His limited opportunities are because Digne has been superb, he was really good again tonight. Maatsen has done really well for the most part, and is a brilliant option to have. At the moment, though, it’d be a weird call not to start Digne if you were picking our best starting 11.
Digne's done really well last year but not like he's part of a fantastic defensive unit currently?
It's odd as when we signed Moreno he came in and played pretty much straight away and we rotated him and Digne based on opposition so I was expecting that same to be happening with this signing.
If Maatsen dosen't start v Palace it will be December before he starts a prem game for us. He was also an unused sub v Spurs so not like he always plays off the bench either.
I just find it really odd that we're not using one of our quickest players when we've had many games with sterile football this season.
Maatsen has started three cup games recently, mixed enough performances in truth. But he has the ability ,like Moreno had, of getting in behind teams. Great run yesterday to get in behind Bradley at one stage. Aswell as Digne has played he won't stretch teams like that.
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Put me in thw camp that maatsen needs to bw starting games. Had he been back foe their 1st goal im sure maatsen keeps up with nunez
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Move Konsa back into the middle and Maatsen to right back?
Or play him ahead of Digne on the left.
This has been my thought for a few weeks.
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Put me in thw camp that maatsen needs to bw starting games. Had he been back foe their 1st goal im sure maatsen keeps up with nunez
I'm not too bothered about him defensively, it's what he he can potentially do in the opposition half which is why I want him starting.
Ramsey was excellent on the break in first half and pulling TAA all over the place. That was the time in the game where we need a rapid LB as an overlapping option.
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Put me in thw camp that maatsen needs to bw starting games. Had he been back foe their 1st goal im sure maatsen keeps up with nunez
I'm not too bothered about him defensively, it's what he he can potentially do in the opposition half which is why I want him starting.
Ramsey was excellent on the break in first half and pulling TAA all over the place. That was the time in the game where we need a rapid LB as an overlapping option.
In fairness to Digne, he did provide exactly that on one of JJ’s two forays, which created a huge corridor of space, in which JJ dithered somewhat…
I like Maatsen and his pace (though he was awful against Palace, for some reason - maybe that’s why he’s not getting starts?). Digne is stronger defensively however, and does offer something going forward.
Maatsen was ok for half an hour in front of Digne in a rearguard posture versus Bayern, but for my money, and rather like Philogene, that doesn’t extrapolate out into a good idea for a Premiership starting XI.
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Injured.
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We're better without a full squad anyway
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I always like two goalkeepers on the bench as it lets you do better drills in the warm ups before a game.
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I always like two goalkeepers on the bench as it lets you do better drills in the warm ups before a game.
I try and make sure I'm in the ground early to watch.
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I appreciate the club's assistance to help me drink half as much as I'd like so I can concentrate on it.
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Half way through the season and cannot see what he's bringing to the team, barely getting on the pitch. Why did we sign him for so much money?
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Some kind of ffp arrangement with Chelsea?
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He's the future.
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Odd signing , big money, little prescene , short , I know it was part of the kellyman cooking the books deal so maybe that's it
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Half way through the season and cannot see what he's bringing to the team, barely getting on the pitch. Why did we sign him for so much money?
I like Maatsen and would agree, he's definitely more of one for the future, but I also don't understand why, if we were in such a tight PSR spot (see that interview Monchi did where he was talking about how close it was getting the Luiz sale done - think it was in an Athletic article) we opted to spend over 30m on a player in a position where we already had options (and Digne has been excellent this season).
You could say similar about Onana. Another good player, but the sort that we needed to drop 50m on at that point in time?
And I appreciate we signed Ned, but if he too is one for the future, why weren't we thinking about the here and now - Cash is the best example of a player who is just not good enough for where we now want to be, and Konsa at RB is at the very best "an option", certainly not ideal.
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He's the future.
The future's bright, the future's Oranje. 8)
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Dignes brilliantly solid, but when Emery first came, the Moreno/Ramsey left hand attacking axis, was the fulcrum that drove us forwards.
Given Ramsey is back, i’d throw Maatsen in now for a few games
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He's the future.
He's certainly not the present
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We needed to focus more on the present last summer. Like fixing our ravaged, red, right hand-side.
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He's the future.
He's certainly not the present
Havent you go abroad yet Tim?
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He's the future.
He's certainly not the present
Havent you go abroad yet Tim?
Well, not abroad, but Inveraray is in Scotland
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Brilliant impact for the winner, you can see he’s class.
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Brilliant impact for the winner, you can see he’s class.
He is, and could be for a decade, which is why I find the questions over his signing a bit weird.
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He has a touch of the Ashley Cole's about him. Not at that level defensively (though that could come in time), but he has incredible athleticism and pace going forward that he's basically a winger when we're attacking.
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He's the future.
He's certainly not the present
Havent you go abroad yet Tim?
Getting a broad isn't Tim's strong point.
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Brilliant impact for the winner, you can see he’s class.
He is, and could be for a decade, which is why I find the questions over his signing a bit weird.
I think the questions aren't about why we bothered signing him at all, more about how we ordered our priorities, with PSR pressure intense at the time, and it being a lot of money.
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He was in the Champions League XI of the year and people question his quality.
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He was in the Champions League XI of the year and people question his quality.
Do they, though?
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He was in the Champions League XI of the year and people question his quality.
Do they, though?
Questioning the transfer = quality.
Of course, it could be the usuals having a whinge.
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Questioning the transfer = quality.
I don't think it is that though.
We have two absolutely top quality left backs, and no decent right backs.
Maatsen is clearly an excellent player, it is a question of whether that is where we needed to drop 35m at that time given how hamstrung we were by PSR.
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Maatsen is clearly an excellent player, it is a question of whether that is where we needed to drop 35m at that time given how hamstrung we were by PSR.
Although the timing of the purchase AND Kellyman going there within 24hours seems to be about PSR for both teams.
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Questioning the transfer = quality.
I don't think it is that though.
We have two absolutely top quality left backs, and no decent right backs.
Maatsen is clearly an excellent player, it is a question of whether that is where we needed to drop 35m at that time given how hamstrung we were by PSR.
I get you, but why do you hate Maatsen? Why are you spreading lies about him? Why are you saying he's never seen a full tit when he has, three times?
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He needs to kick on now. Starting with the cup game. He's done well off the bench before, Liverpool comes to mind, but never really done it from the start. I think he can really add to our attacking play and Mings will be a lot more comfortable sweeping up behind him than Torres.
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To be fair to him Digne has been exceptional so his opportunities have been limited. I think he’s a very different player to Digne, my one question mark would be his defensive awareness. His attacking is brilliant though - pace and vision at pace.
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Questioning the transfer = quality.
I don't think it is that though.
We have two absolutely top quality left backs, and no decent right backs.
Maatsen is clearly an excellent player, it is a question of whether that is where we needed to drop 35m at that time given how hamstrung we were by PSR.
There was talk the deal was interlinked with the Kellyman £19m going the other way and all a cooking the books FFP deal .
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Has to start next league game for me. Linked up well with bailey when he came on
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Has to start next league game for me. Linked up well with bailey when he came on
No chance . Digne has been excellent all season.
Think Ian will start v WHUFC though in the FAC Rd 3
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I walked past him shopping in the Bull Ring on New Year's Eve, so at least he's spending a bit in the local economy.
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Any chance we could play Maatsen and Digne at the same time? We've tried about every other combination at the back, can't be any worse than the leaky excuse for a defense we have at the moment.
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Has to start next league game for me. Linked up well with bailey when he came on
Maatsen the LB linked well with the RW?
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Has to start next league game for me. Linked up well with bailey when he came on
Maatsen the LB linked well with the RW?
Well he did assist him for the goal.
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He did great, but Digne is comfortably one of our best, and most consistent, players. He starts for me and Maatsen remains a brilliant impact player for now.
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The key to success with Maatsen will be Ramsey coming back.
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The key to success with Maatsen will be Ramsey coming back.
You could be right. I wasn’t overly impressed with JJ until Mattsen came on. In attack, Mattsen is very tenacious as his contribution to the winning goal showed.
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Could Mattson be used on the left flank, he has the speed and tenacity?
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Has to start next league game for me. Linked up well with bailey when he came on
Maatsen the LB linked well with the RW?
Take it you missed the goal then dante 🤣
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The key to success with Maatsen will be Ramsey coming back.
That’s going to be a very good combination when both up to speed. I do like Digne, he’s a great player and in very good form, however before Moreno and Ramsey both got injured, those two caused havoc going forward.
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The key to success with Maatsen will be Ramsey coming back.
Agreed, but Ramsey keeps getting injured it’s a big problem
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Has to start next league game for me. Linked up well with bailey when he came on
Maatsen the LB linked well with the RW?
Take it you missed the goal then dante 🤣
Nah, linking is interplay and one/two, not crosses.
Ramsey/Maatsen could be an upgrade on Ramsey/moreno. Add Rogers in the middle and I think that’s our best attack.
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Half way through the season and cannot see what he's bringing to the team, barely getting on the pitch. Why did we sign him for so much money?
I like Maatsen and would agree, he's definitely more of one for the future, but I also don't understand why, if we were in such a tight PSR spot (see that interview Monchi did where he was talking about how close it was getting the Luiz sale done - think it was in an Athletic article) we opted to spend over 30m on a player in a position where we already had options (and Digne has been excellent this season).
You could say similar about Onana. Another good player, but the sort that we needed to drop 50m on at that point in time?
And I appreciate we signed Ned, but if he too is one for the future, why weren't we thinking about the here and now - Cash is the best example of a player who is just not good enough for where we now want to be, and Konsa at RB is at the very best "an option", certainly not ideal.
I suppose signing him for £37m, amortised over five years, and selling Kellyman to them for an immediate £20m onto our accounts, helped make our PSR position less tight.
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Half way through the season and cannot see what he's bringing to the team, barely getting on the pitch. Why did we sign him for so much money?
I like Maatsen and would agree, he's definitely more of one for the future, but I also don't understand why, if we were in such a tight PSR spot (see that interview Monchi did where he was talking about how close it was getting the Luiz sale done - think it was in an Athletic article) we opted to spend over 30m on a player in a position where we already had options (and Digne has been excellent this season).
You could say similar about Onana. Another good player, but the sort that we needed to drop 50m on at that point in time?
And I appreciate we signed Ned, but if he too is one for the future, why weren't we thinking about the here and now - Cash is the best example of a player who is just not good enough for where we now want to be, and Konsa at RB is at the very best "an option", certainly not ideal.
I suppose signing him for £37m, amortised over five years, and selling Kellyman to them for an immediate £20m onto our accounts, helped make our PSR position less tight.
Is the correct answer. I think sometimes what you want to do in the transfer market just doesn’t work out and you have to improvise. The Maatsen signing wasn’t ideal from a squad perspective because there seemed a more pressing need to upgrade Cash on the right hand side but for whatever reason we just couldn’t find or get a deal for what we wanted so we decided to strengthen elsewhere. Bearing in mind the position with Moreno who seemed to fall out of favour quite quickly last season, there was a gap on that left side and Unai probably thought happy to go with this deal and we can sort the other stuff out later.
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Half way through the season and cannot see what he's bringing to the team, barely getting on the pitch. Why did we sign him for so much money?
I like Maatsen and would agree, he's definitely more of one for the future, but I also don't understand why, if we were in such a tight PSR spot (see that interview Monchi did where he was talking about how close it was getting the Luiz sale done - think it was in an Athletic article) we opted to spend over 30m on a player in a position where we already had options (and Digne has been excellent this season).
You could say similar about Onana. Another good player, but the sort that we needed to drop 50m on at that point in time?
And I appreciate we signed Ned, but if he too is one for the future, why weren't we thinking about the here and now - Cash is the best example of a player who is just not good enough for where we now want to be, and Konsa at RB is at the very best "an option", certainly not ideal.
I suppose signing him for £37m, amortised over five years, and selling Kellyman to them for an immediate £20m onto our accounts, helped make our PSR position less tight.
Is the correct answer. I think sometimes what you want to do in the transfer market just doesn’t work out and you have to improvise. The Maatsen signing wasn’t ideal from a squad perspective because there seemed a more pressing need to upgrade Cash on the right hand side but for whatever reason we just couldn’t find or get a deal for what we wanted so we decided to strengthen elsewhere. Bearing in mind the position with Moreno who seemed to fall out of favour quite quickly last season, there was a gap on that left side and Unai probably thought happy to go with this deal and we can sort the other stuff out later.
The feeling in the club, according to Tanswell, was that Moreno lost his pace after his injury.
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Even simpler, Maatsen is a quality player that we scouted and thought would be a good signing and, whilst it wasn't ideal for the short term squad balance, we had an opportunity to sign him that might not come again, so we went ahead with it.
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Maatsen is absolute quality and I'd have no hesitation in him starting. It just so happens that the person he's up against is in superb form and already had the shirt.
He was a great buy who will serve us well over the coming years, we're in a great position there.
See also LCB with Torres and Mings, CF with Watkins and Duran, CM Kamara and Onana, etc etc. We need that all over the pitch to enable us to do what Chelsea are managing this season which is coping well with multiple competitions.
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Even simpler, Maatsen is a quality player that we scouted and thought would be a good signing and, whilst it wasn't ideal for the short term squad balance, we had an opportunity to sign him that might not come again, so we went ahead with it.
Yeah that’s how I see it. He’s clearly excellent, the opportunity was there and we had to take it. We aren’t where we’d like to be at right back but I’d argue I wouldn’t swap our left back options for any other sides in the league.
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I wonder if he could play RB
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The feeling in the club, according to Tanswell, was that Moreno lost his pace after his injury.
Poor chap. It's a cutthroat business.
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The feeling in the club, according to Tanswell, was that Moreno lost his pace after his injury.
Poor chap. It's a cutthroat business.
Peolpe muttering as he passed, conversations between groups ending as he approached. He couldn't put his finger on what was happening until a small boy approached for his auotgraph:
"Is it true Alex, that you've lost your pace? Say it aint so!"
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What has happened to Moreno? He hasn't even made the bench in 4 of the last 5 matches (6 but missing ours is understandable.)
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The feeling in the club, according to Tanswell, was that Moreno lost his pace after his injury.
Poor chap. It's a cutthroat business.
Peolpe muttering as he passed, conversations between groups ending as he approached. He couldn't put his finger on what was happening until a small boy approached for his auotgraph:
"Is it true Alex, that you've lost your pace? Say it aint so!"
I heard the boy was 8 when he asked for the autograph, but by the time Alex rejoined the rest of the squad he was 10
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Been itching for him to get a start ? But cab see why he isnt. Started welk first 15 mins but then he was defensively awful. His positionally at times was really poor and for me at fault for first goal.
You could see what a difference digne makes. We looked a lot better when digne came on
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It was the wrong game for him to start. Everton might have been a better choice.
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I agree. I personally think he should start vs monaco and save digne for west ham game.
We really need to win that one
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Harsh lesson learned today at top level. Whenever he has got his chance to start he hasn't really impressed. Needs to do a lot more bar the odd bench cameo to keep Digne out.
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Not his day today, Martinelli gave him a tough time but he’ll be fine.
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He will learn very quickly from the terrible defending today. He will be fine for us for many years to come though.
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Made a mistake, and didn’t have the best day, it happens. He’ll grow from the experience.
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Always amazes me when I see a Premier League player ball watching.
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Go on Ian, ruin Monaco on Tuesday.
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Always amazes me when I see a Premier League player ball watching.
I was thinking the same after both of our goals. For the second, Havertz is clearly in space. Mings and Konsa must know that. Are they thinking "Cashy has got the block on Trossard. If not, I'm backing myself to block Havertz before he can shoot"? Or...are they genuinely being ditzy and focussed on the ball instead of the man they should be marking?
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Go on Ian, ruin Monaco on Tuesday.
He'll be on the naughty step rather than the grass . Digne all day long.
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At the moment he can bide his time and wat for Spurs FA Cup tie.
Its an interesting one though I do like his forays forward and he's not afraid to shoot plus he's experienced in Champions League but it looks like Digne for Celtic next Wednesday
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Always amazes me when I see a Premier League player ball watching.
I was thinking the same after both of our goals. For the second, Havertz is clearly in space. Mings and Konsa must know that. Are they thinking "Cashy has got the block on Trossard. If not, I'm backing myself to block Havertz before he can shoot"? Or...are they genuinely being ditzy and focussed on the ball instead of the man they should be marking?
If they ever assume Cash has got the block on a cross I’d have to question their suitability for their well-paid jobs.
Like they said on The Villa Podcast the other day, he looks like he’s thinking ‘I can’t tackle him in case he skips round me and gets a cross in, so I might as well just back off and let him get a cross in anyway’.
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Maatsen was awful when he came on in Monaco. Ideal opportunity to show his display at Arsenal was an aberration and the team was in dire need of energy and inpact. Seemed like he was sulking a bit from the get go. I'm convinced he isn't as fit as he should be either.
On the face of it (I'm not convinced on fees reported between Chelsea, Everton and ourselves last summer), we spent big money on Onana and Maatsen and they haven't had all that much impact for us. Philogene bombed too but has been replaced quickly at least with Malen.
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If they ever assume Cash has got the block on a cross I’d have to question their suitability for their well-paid jobs.
Like they said on The Villa Podcast the other day, he looks like he’s thinking ‘I can’t tackle him in case he skips round me and gets a cross in, so I might as well just back off and let him get a cross in anyway’.
Did they add "unless the winger is in the box, in which case he will dive in anyway".
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Not saying he's a total dud as a player.
But with FFP being king, I wouldn't be distraught at all if we sold him in the summer for anywhere near what we paid.
Alex Moreno is better than this guy.
Maybe not the same explosive pace. But pacey enough, more game aware and better technique to get past a marker.
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Pace is no good in our side, by the time we've worked the ball forward the opposition are back in shape.
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I think he'll be a quality player for us long term, but we were pretty sorted at LB, seemed a bit of a luxury signing.
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Incredibly lightweight and unstable player . Adds nothing whatsoever.
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Thought he did better than Digne today but a bit indecisive with his final ball.
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Incredibly lightweight and unstable player . Adds nothing whatsoever.
Nothing like a bit of hyperbole.
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I would be incredibly grateful if he would stop trying to put a cross through his marker and actually beat him and then try to pass the ball through the airspace in front of him. Try this and I am thinking that it will not deflect off of something quite so often.
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Like all of our full backs, he seems averse to stopping a cross coming into our box. Was the main culprit for their goal, as it was far too easy for their winger to get a year ahead like that. I'm yet to understand what he offers that Moreno didn't (PSR aside).
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I'm yet to understand what he offers that Moreno didn't (PSR aside).
Nothing.
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Needs to improve...a lot.
Garcia on the other side has come in from the Spanish second division and already looks more comfortable.
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I didn't think his positioning was right. Seemed to be showing him down the line like he was more worried about him coming inside. Once he gave him that space, he couldn't get into a position to block the cross.
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I didn't think his positioning was right. Seemed to be showing him down the line like he was more worried about him coming inside. Once he gave him that space, he couldn't get into a position to block the cross.
It's the same with whoever is playing right back too. Maybe it's something to do with how narrow a starting position we adopt and when a diagonal ball goes out to the wing it's harder for our full backs to block it? Either that or they are all just a bit hopeless at a really important skill for a fullback. It makes it worse because our centre halves don't seem to be able to deal with any kind of ball into the box!
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Wasn’t even nuisance value for their cross on Sat.
Opposition sides know with Digne off or not starting that any time they get the ball out wide on that flank it will be easy enough to get a decent delivery in.
Both Palarse goals came from that side of the pitch when he was starting IIRC.
Some of this could be offset if he was providing a major attacking threat down that flank. But we’re not seeing a whole lot of that either.
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Maybe he'll be fine when he gets a run of games instead of dropping in and out of the side. Digne wasn't great when he first arrived either. As ever, bit of patience needed I think.
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Maatsen has plenty of talent. He’s obviously more an attacking full back than a defensive one, it’s probably quite difficult to get in a rhythm with the defence when you’re not regularly starting and also the defence has been constantly changing. He’ll be fine.
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I think part of the problem is that he's just not got used to the pace and directness of premier league wingers yet and he's only going to get that with experience. He's still a young player coming off his first real breakout season at the top level and has plenty of time ahead of him to prove he's worth what we paid.
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Maybe the plan is to sell him in the summer and recall Moreno .
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That would make no sense on a few levels.
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Needs to improve...a lot.
Garcia on the other side has come in from the Spanish second division and already looks more comfortable.
Garcia looks like a great buy. Fingers crossed it's another Rogers type bargain.
As for Maatsen, I think he'll be off in summer, its just one of those buys that hasn't really worked out.
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At the moment he’s useful going forward, good on the ball and in his link up play but he’s an unreliable defender. If he wants a long term future under Unai he needs to work hard to fix that side of his game.
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That would make no sense on a few levels.
I think there's only one person who'd suggest it, well him and a couple of posters who are long since gone.
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He was the Left Back of the Champions League team of the season last year. He's shown flashes of what he can do and linked well with Rashford on Saturday, but you can tell they haven't played together for more than a few minutes.
I think the constant changes in our Centre Back pairings are causing a lot of doubt and uncertainty for the full backs, hence the narrow starting point giving the opposition wingers more time and space.
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Despite his excellent showings for Dortmund last season he hasn’t been the one to consider for the Knock outs and big european matches this season.
He may get the opportunity next Wednesday given hold the lead however it’s been disappointing in many ways for him and seeing him not flourish so much thus far is a relative cause for concern having been so optimistic when he was signed in the summer.
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He may get the opportunity next Wednesday given hold the lead however it’s been disappointing in many ways for him and seeing him not flourish so much thus far is a relative cause for concern having been so optimistic when he was signed in the summer.
I wouldn't start him but would bring him on if we're comfortably ahead in the tie.
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The question is has maatsen been any better than moreno? I mean he is younger and has potential. But i would argue moreno did better in his first 6 months at the club
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Moreno was amazing when he first came on the scene to Villa! Added loads to our attacking play.
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I thought he was good too. Onky problem with him was he was injury prone. Something maatsen isnt. Maatsen looks shit hot going forward but defensively he looks hopeless at times
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I think he'd be fine given a run in the team. But he isn't getting that because Digne has, yet again, raised his game.
Maatsen will be a long term solution and will be good for us.
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Despite his excellent showings for Dortmund last season he hasn’t been the one to consider for the Knock outs and big european matches this season.
He may get the opportunity next Wednesday given hold the lead however it’s been disappointing in many ways for him and seeing him not flourish so much thus far is a relative cause for concern having been so optimistic when he was signed in the summer.
Was he “excellent” for Dortmund?
I know he played in the champions league final, but I never watched any of their games.
I’d really be interested to witness an 8-9 out of ten performance to see what that looked like and what he was doing then and compare to how he is playing now.
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Was he “excellent” for Dortmund?
I know he played in the champions league final, but I never watched any of their games.
I didn't see any of their games (except the Final) but I assume he was decent in them. https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/028e-1b0b073031ef-cb7193efc2dc-1000--2023-24-uefa-champions-league-team-of-the-season/
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I wish he was a little bit taller
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I wish he was a baller.*
* I actually think he'll come good, it was just set up. Sorry Ian.
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He was the Left Back of the Champions League team of the season last year. He's shown flashes of what he can do and linked well with Rashford on Saturday, but you can tell they haven't played together for more than a few minutes.
I don't think they've even been training much considering the amount of games we've had the last few weeks.
I was going to point out the team of the season thing too. The year before he was in the Championship team of the season. Obviously there's a difference between Championship and Premier League standard, but he's done it at CL level, so there's obviously something there.
Digne has once again raised his levels and retained the starting spot in that position, which is great if its a case if Maatsen needing more time to adjust.
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A chance for Maastem tomorrow night perhaps ?
Digne is one yellow card away from suspension. Surely the flying dutchman can be trusted for a game at the fortress at home against Brugge 3-1 up in the tie.
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A chance for Maastem tomorrow night perhaps ?
Digne is one yellow card away from suspension. Surely the flying dutchman can be trusted for a game at the fortress at home against Brugge 3-1 up in the tie.
well said if i say so myself.
Good luck to Maasten tonight!
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Very pleased for him tonight. Not only did he get to play but he also scored!
As there’s no PSG thread just yet will mention here that Maatsen played both legs , winning both keeping a clean sheet in two 1-0 victories in the semi final matches last season for Dortmund.
He did get booked second leg and was play in up against Dembele both times.
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Motm tonight. He was excellent. Delighted to see him get his first goal for us
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Got better as the game went on and was excellent in the second half. Great for him to get a goal.
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There seemed to be a good understanding between him and Rogers as well. That 1-2 they did in the first half was class.
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The run for his goal from out wide around players to get into the box was lovely.
I think we'll see a lot more of Maatsen while Rashford is in the team since it appears his natural inclination is to 'underlap', whereas Digne stays wider which suits Ramsay, more. Maatsen has been picking up some really attacking positions lately, popping up in between Watkins and Rashford.
It's nice - having 2 pairs of players on the left that compliment each other. I wouldn't be surprised if in the future we see double subs where one pair come on to replace the other.
In my head the Digne/Ramsay pair are the 'hardworking, more solid defensively' option, while Rashford/Maatsen are the 'gung ho, stretch the play' pair.
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He’s a very good player going forward. Defensively he had little to do last night but he’s nowhere near the level required against stronger opposition. Even so, I could see Him starting ahead of Digne against PSG. His pace will be required.
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He’s a very good player going forward. Defensively he had little to do last night but he’s nowhere near the level required against stronger opposition. Even so, I could see Him starting ahead of Digne against PSG. His pace will be required.
Yup, I thought he was good with the ball and off it going forward but still the reservations remain about his defending, wingers and runners seem to go past him far too easliy.
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He seems a bit of a contradiction. Going forward, he can get past players effectively, but when defending he is beaten too frequently by players.
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I think he does fine defending most of the time but gets caught slightly out of position sometimes and has a bit of a habit of giving players slightly too much space so they manage to get crosses in when they really shouldn't have. Both are things that can be worked on so I think he'll get there and be a very good player for us over the next few years.
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Was surprised he didn’t get any game time whatsoever yesterday v Preston.
Surely he’ll start on of Brighton or Forest.
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If either team have a wide player that is very attacking then don't bother playing him, he defends like a child.
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Well he does look about 12.
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He’s really settling in now, looks like a really decent signing. He’s been close to the best player on the pitch two league matches running now.
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His best game by a mile for us. I can see what he’s all about now.
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Was great against Forest as well as today. Two key goal contributions in those games and he can definitely shift. We will see a lot more of him next season I'm sure.
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I watched (skipped through to the Bailey bits) two episodes of that Amazon show about players and their WAGs, and Maatsen was the only other Villa player that featured. (Just in case anyone is missing Footy)
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This kid's ceiling is in the sky. Really kicking on now.
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I like that he's called Ian. It's a strong football name that's been lost a bit but he's bringing it back.
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I reckon both he and Onana are going to be massive players for us next season.
In saying that, history tells us that his competition looking good just means that Digne ups his game again and gets even better.
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Having him at the back-stick to deal with Schär for their goal was unfair on the lad, a total mismatch physically. Reminded me of poor Alan Wright being aerially bullied by Julian Dicks. Don't recall Wrighty overlapping for Yorke to find him and fire in a winner though. Fair fucks to you, Maati.
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I like that he's called Ian. It's a strong football name that's been lost a bit but he's bringing it back.
It's reassuring, strong football names have been on the wane ever since Lee Carsley retired.
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He’s a big talent and he adds pace to our side.
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I like that he's called Ian. It's a strong football name that's been lost a bit but he's bringing it back.
It’s a great name.
One thing that is baffling, like me, he’s small for a Dutch man.
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They all wear clogs though which is why they look tall.
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Proper terrier like chasing and nipping at runners.
Brilliant succession planning by the club for when Digne signs off.
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I like that he's called Ian. It's a strong football name that's been lost a bit but he's bringing it back.
Yes, there was a particularly strong energy when we had Olney and Ormondroyd.
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I like that he's called Ian. It's a strong football name that's been lost a bit but he's bringing it back.
It's reassuring, strong football names have been on the wane ever since Lee Carsley retired.
Since Éamonn Deacy left B6 imo.
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I reckon both he and Onana are going to be massive players for us next season.
In saying that, history tells us that his competition looking good just means that Digne ups his game again and gets even better.
Yep, Maatsen and Onana will be cornerstones of our 26/27 title winning side.
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Maatsen rightly getting game time and I hear he scored the other week too.
Looking forward to seeing more of him in the remains of the season.
Has the potential to be the best left back in the premier league.
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Open the pod bay doors, HAL
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I hear he scored the other week too.
Big news if true.
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I hear he scored the other week too.
Big news if true.
It's a bit like Villa 5-1 Liverpool 1976. No one has actually seen it.
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I thought he was excellent and we weren't so good when he went off.
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He's on the Tielemans Emery adaptation arc - gonna be a monster for us next season.
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He's on the Tielemans Emery adaptation arc - gonna be a monster for us next season.
I know people are going off the idea of Asensio as his output has slowed but I reckon the same with him, and we'll sign him in the summer.
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Maatsen is playing in midfield for the Netherlands U21 in the UEFA U21 Championship
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Aston Villa Statto@AVFCStatto
Ian Maatsen for the Netherlands against Denmark:
82 minutes played
82% passing accuracy (45/55)
3 chances created (most)
74 touches
7 passes into the final third
2 accurate long balls
100% tackles won
8 recoveries
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Numbers can be deceptive. Thought he had a very up and down game.
Lost possession which resulted in Denmark's winning goal.
Later he made an excellent run to the byline and cut the ball back to the edge of the 6 yd box, but the chance went begging as nome of the Dutch forwards managed to get on the end of it.
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Think his qtr final is on channel 4 at 4.45pm
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Think his qtr final is on channel 4 at 4.45pm
Nice one Gareth, I’ll watch a bit during the tea interval.
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Dutch down to ten men after twenty minutes.
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Portugal are a much better team and Mateus Fernandes has been very good for them, from what I saw he was decent for southampton as well, might be worth a look.
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Portugal are a much better team and Mateus Fernandes has been very good for them, from what I saw he was decent for southampton as well, might be worth a look.
We've been linked with him, along with Leeds and Palace. £30m price tag apparently.
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Maatsen moved into midfield for the second half.
Beautiful through ball sets up Poku to put 10 man Netherlands 1-0 up against Portugal
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Does that long ball count as an assist for the Dutch U21s' equaliser v England U21s
Quansah buggered up his attempt to cut it out?
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Quansah buggered up his attempt to cut it out?
Imagine the carnage if we signed him. Name related, I mean.
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Quansah buggered up his attempt to cut it out?
Imagine the carnage if we signed him. Name related, I mean.
Especially given his name is spelt Cresswell (it was the other CB who fucked up).
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Quansah buggered up his attempt to cut it out?
Imagine the carnage if we signed him. Name related, I mean.
It'd be mayhem on here between Boxing Day and New Year's Day.