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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on May 05, 2024, 04:04:25 PM
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Come on Liverpool!!
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What a bag of shit.
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Olsen 10/10
Everyone else, not so much.
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In the match thread somebody said our luck ran out. We have had zero luck all season.
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Come on Liverpool!!
This is literally all we can do now
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Im not angry, Im just gutted.
Gutted that we are faltering at the final hurdle because of tiredness & injuries.
And it's not like we could have done much about strengthening the squad a bit more to help cope with the stresses of two strong competitions, because of FFP/PSR, or whatever the fuck they are calling it this week.
Gutted to fuck.
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Haven't won for a good few games? Not beaten the Villa at home since 1980?
No worries!
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It was always going to be Spurs fucking up rather than us getting the points which get us there. We look utterly drained.
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Really poor. But. If the Rogers one isn’t, their one most definitely isn’t. That ref is shocking.
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Pathetic
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As long as Spurs lose no damage done. We are clearly out on our feet.
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Desperate stuff against a team that have been in worse form than us the last few weeks. The fuck was that?
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Well that looked like our worst performance of the season and losing rogers just to put the tin fcuking hat on it. We’ve no chance in Greece based on this. How many times did Watkins actually touch the ball?
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I mean sometimes the manager gets it wrong, sometimes the players have off days. Other days the ref is a gigantic smug kunt. Barely any difference between our pen and there's, if anything ours was more of one.
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Insipid. Olsen Motm, nothing else to say it was so indescript. Onwards to Thursday….
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Desperate stuff against a team that have been in worse form than us the last few weeks. The fuck was that?
It's called 58 games catching up on us. But if he hadn't taken the Conference seriously he would have got pelters too.
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So Villa!
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I mean sometimes the manager gets it wrong, sometimes the players have off days. Other days the ref is a gigantic smug kunt. Barely any difference between our penang there's, if anything ours was more of one.
Yes indeed. Softest pen I’ve ever seen.
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We look out on our feet at the moment, so many poor performance well all apart from Olsen. Poor in Europe last week and the past few Premier League games.
Need a push for the last 3-4 games.
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Olsen was great.. some outfield players were not. Diaby needs to sit out, his effort and involvement is costing us valuable space on the pitch. He still doesn’t get it.
Need to pack the midfield and get Tim on, let Doug push forward. Losing Morgan was a tough one today. It totally disconnected the midfield and forwards.
McGinn and Luiz look like Gerrard era crap right now and they need to get their shit together.
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Fuck such a performance
Setting up to defend defend defend and snatch a point? Yawn
Some of those players need...well, I don't know. Have a rest on your days off or train less. I'm sure it's not so simple, but fucking hell.
Mcginn and Konsa especially rubbish today. Those two should be leading, not playing like that.
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It's worrying how little we create when don't have that player who can either carry the ball forward between the lines (Rogers), or someone who can pick out that pass between the lines (Tielemans). We look very pedestrian without either of them.
Unlike the Olympiacos result, this is worrying because the performance was so bad. We looked leggy, and bereft of ideas throughout.
At this point, we're relying on Liverpool and Man City to do us a favour.
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It doesn't really raise one's hopes for Thursday, does it.
We are so utterly mentally dead now, and the injuries are just getting ridiculous.
We need Spurs to continue to look abject against Liverpool today, and against Man City, because I don't think we can expect to be picking up many points in our remaining two league games.
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Given the form Brighton were in, that was the worst performance of the season. We looked more like relegation candidates than aspiring to the Champions League.
We had nearly 15 minutes to do something after they scored but there was just nothing at all.
The much-maligned Olsen was the only one who played well. Even allowing for a lot of games and injuries, I can't believe how inept we were.
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All the pre-match chat about Brighton being on the beach and our great record against them...it means Jack-shit when we're knackered and committed to a pressing game against a team who has the energy and ability to do it better. 105 minutes where we couldn't muster-up one chance worth talking about.
Had a bad feeling that we'd concede when we had two subs ready to come on but we waited. Konsa struggled with Adringa all-game, and he fucks-up. Game over. We just have to pray we can limp over the line now. I think 70 points is probably beyond us.
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We're running on fumes. I know what I would do on Thursday night but it wouldn't be popular.
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Absolutely terrible again, third dreadful performance in a week. Injuries are clearly a massive problem, but if the level we’ve hit in the last 3 games is the bar for the remaining games then we’ll lose them all.
Only Olsen gets credit from that and McGinn and Konsa were especially terrible.
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It doesn't really raise one's hopes for Thursday, does it.
We are so utterly mentally dead now, and the injuries are just getting ridiculous.
We need Spurs to continue to look abject against Liverpool today, and against Man City, because I don't think we can expect to be picking up many points in our remaining two league games.
I’d say 2 points is about what I’d be willing to commit to. 3 at best.
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Desperate stuff against a team that have been in worse form than us the last few weeks. The fuck was that?
It's called 58 games catching up on us. But if he hadn't taken the Conference seriously he would have got pelters too.
Thats a bit of a cop.out.
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Deserved nothing got nothing. It’s going to be squeaky pants to the end of the season as I can’t see how we are going to find energy to overcome Liverpool and Palace.
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I thought on Thursday we played as if we were conserving energy for today. Today we played as if we were conserving energy for Thursday. At some point, we'll have to play to win, not just to fulfil a fixture.
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Really poor. But. If the Rogers one isn’t, their one most definitely isn’t. That ref is shocking.
Same moron who stiffed us multiple times with Sheffield at VP.
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We’re running out of players as well as legs.
I hope we can put a team out on Thursday. Hope Liverpool can bury spurs this eve before picking up numerous suspensions and injuries in the final moments.
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Thursday is going to be carnage.
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Desperate stuff against a team that have been in worse form than us the last few weeks. The fuck was that?
It's called 58 games catching up on us. But if he hadn't taken the Conference seriously he would have got pelters too.
Thats a bit of a cop.out.
I think it's fair comment - we've been trying to finish top four and win a European trophy, it's bound to put strain on us, and if he'd deprioritised (either of them), he'd have got slaughtered. He wouldn't have done it, anyway, he wants both.
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2 shots against a team that has been horrendous recently and doesn't give a toss.
Very very poor.
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The magic number remains at six. If Spurs get it down to three today then get on with your lives. If not, then we probably need to win against one of Liverpool or Palace.
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I've been positive most of the season, but the display today was a fuckup with our key players being shit and not even caring anymore, and Emery fucking up massively.
I'm still glad we have had the season we have had, and I think most of us would have taken 5th (if the worst does happen) and a semi final in the cup at the start of the season, but this display was always on the cards after the two recent ones, and the manager, for all his tactical brilliance has been blind to it as well.
If luiz's problem is he can't play the kamara roles, then play Tim. He can't be any worse can he? And if he does play there then we should see a better Luiz to help the attack at least. But the persistence in square pegs just takes something away from the whole team.
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What an absolutely horrible place to watch football.
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It’s quite an arresting argument.
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We were far too passive but if the foul on Rogers in the first half isn't a penalty the one they got definitely isn't.
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The magic number remains at six. If Spurs get it down to three today then get on with your lives. If not, then we probably need to win against one of Liverpool or Palace.
6 what?
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Just ran out of players, energy and luck.
The squad is too small for this number of injuries there just aren't any options on the bench for the areas we need - i.e. MF and attack. Having a double pivot of Luiz and McGinn has never worked over the past 5 years.
In the last 2 Prem games we have lost Rogers, Tielemans and Emi.
I had in my head a draw today and against palace. We really, really need some players back or Liverpool and Man City need to make sure they do their jobs, would be gutting to end without a Final and bottle it to 5th.
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Must admit I didn’t know what that meant.
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Couldn't care less tbh. Thursday is more important and we're finishing 4th anyway.
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Let’s hope Spurs get nothing from their game shortly. If they lose then we’ll be fine but even a point and we are in trouble. We look totally shot.
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Shit performance. Bullshit penalty. My heart sinks when Cash is brought on further forward, especially when we are creating close to nothing. I know we're depleted but I'd rather have put Tim on when Rogers got injured and pushed McGinn out wide. Or just put Duran on and have Diaby out wide, just not Cash as a midfielder.
Oh well, come on Klopp you gurning legend.
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Thursday is going to be carnage.
Doubt it, carnage would imply chaos which is what we need. We look utterly devoid of anything, so I suspect Olympiacos will sit in and win comfortably (unless we have a lot more left than we’ve shown this week).
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
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We're running on fumes. I know what I would do on Thursday night but it wouldn't be popular.
Me too. But they will be slating him if he dared. And slating him if we miss 4th for giving the Conference a go.
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It's not just the injuries but the fact that the injuries have been to hugely important players, over and over again. To even be in this position still is amazing, and testament to the manager and squad.
Positives were Dougie played well and Olsen was tremendous. Watkins, Bailey, Konsa, McGinn and Torres were very poor but I reckon at least two of them are carrying knocks.
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
Thats the spirit!
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I mean sometimes the manager gets it wrong, sometimes the players have off days. Other days the ref is a gigantic smug kunt. Barely any difference between our penang there's, if anything ours was more of one.
Yes indeed. Softest pen I’ve ever seen.
Hardly. The moment you tap an attacker's leg in the box if he has has the ball, you're asking for trouble. Konsa will have known that. At times he's as brain-dead as the worst of them. I thought our last minute penalty at home to Burnley was softer when Ramsey Jr got done.
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We're running on fumes. I know what I would do on Thursday night but it wouldn't be popular.
If Spurs don't lose today we have to play the kids, we can't go into the Liverpool game with the same energy as today.
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Desperate stuff against a team that have been in worse form than us the last few weeks. The fuck was that?
It's called 58 games catching up on us. But if he hadn't taken the Conference seriously he would have got pelters too.
53.
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Shit performance. Bullshit penalty. My heart sinks when Cash is brought on further forward, especially when we are creating close to nothing. I know we're depleted but I'd rather have put Tim on when Rogers got injured and pushed McGinn out wide. Or just put Duran on and have Diaby out wide, just not Cash as a midfielder.
Oh well, come on Klopp you gurning legend.
They're the sort of tactics I'd expect from Lambert, Gerrard or even Smith.
Not Unai.
All managers, even those as brilliant as him have these weird fucking traits
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Unai got the subs wrong. 2nd half Diaby and cash were starting to cause them some strife down the right, linking up and causing Igor some issues. then he hooked Diarby. Bailey hadn't shown much all game and had a strapping on his knee, did nothing of note. should of been the one who was benched.
Also Brighton brought on their number 10 Ceesow or something and he made a big impact I thought.
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Emery really doesn't fancy Iroegbunam. FWIW I haven't been that taken with him but he must be fresh compared to whatever we're working with. If he couldn't get on today I don't see him being here beyond the summer.
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We're running on fumes. I know what I would do on Thursday night but it wouldn't be popular.
If Spurs don't lose today we have to play the kids, we can't go into the Liverpool game with the same energy as today.
Do a Moscow you mean?
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
Thats the spirit!
It’s true if the level we’ve hit this week is representative of what’s to come in the remaining games.
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Deserved nothing got nothing. It’s going to be squeaky pants to the end of the season as I can’t see how we are going to find energy to overcome Liverpool and Palace.
I thought it would be done before the final day, but now I don't think so. I still think Spurs will lose against Man City, but there is still 3 points we either have to win, or they have to drop, for us to be ahead of them. Right now, I'm hopeful they drop 3 today, as we don't look like getting a result against anyone at the minute.
That's not a criticism of Unai or any of the players. They just look feckin shagged.
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A poor display by tired players. Given the stick he’s received, Olsen was superb today and with a bit of luck from the penalty, he’d have kept a clean sheet. All the rest are clearly knackered and need the end of the season. I think we’ll still clinch 4th place though and the manager needs to look closely at the squad if we’re to progress in the CL
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Fuck sake
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Haven't won for a good few games? Not beaten the Villa at home since 1980?
No worries!
We went out of our way to help them get a bit of confidence back first half, so it was no surprise they stepped up second half and were taking the piss by the final minute. Team selection didn't help, Konsa had one of his worst games of the season today, can't think why. Playing two midfielders against their four was again not the best idea and our attackers had such little service, when they did see the ball it bounced off them.
Brighton were there for the taking but we set ourselves out to self inflict. We only have ourselves to blame.
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Some people love it. I'll never understand that way of thinking.
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
It doesn't look like it but we have pulled good performances out of no where so never say never.
The Liverpool Spurs match is absolutely crucial to us, i reckon they'll lose at Man City but win their other 2 so it really does come down to this one, if your prediction comes true.
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As poor as our game was I thought the 30 second post match analysis Sky gave us was very poor. They couldn't wait to get to Anfield. Come on Liverpool. I feel dirty saying that.
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If spurs win today, i think it might be done for us, given they’ll have Burnley and Sheffield as two of their last 3. If they lose i don’t see them laying a glove on man city in their current form, so i think we’ll literally limp over the line, which will be more than fine.
So essentially in my view, we’ll more or less know in about 2 hours time.
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We're running on fumes, with little or no options from the bench & it shows. We got nothing & deserved nothing. But we can't be overly critical.
Apart from that arrogant twat of a ref. If he hadn't given or rather guessed it VAR would never have given it.
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We're running on fumes. I know what I would do on Thursday night but it wouldn't be popular.
If Spurs don't lose today we have to play the kids, we can't go into the Liverpool game with the same energy as today.
I agree. We simply cannot lose 4th.
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that was as useful as a floppy cock, piss only.
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An alternative viewpoint on the upcoming game would be Spurs getting a point which would leave Liverpool with nothing to play for next week.
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Cash on for Rogers was a mistake. It just accentuated the disparity in midfield.
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Doubt we will get anything at Palace. Our best chance of points is the home match v Liverpool.
Big mistake today to play Konsa at RB. Their winger had all the time in the world with the space he was given.
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
It doesn't look like it but we have pulled good performances out of no where so never say never.
The Liverpool Spurs match is absolutely crucial to us, i reckon they'll lose at Man City but win their other 2 so it really does come down to this one, if your prediction comes true.
The're at home to Man city
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Horrific performance to cap off a shit few days . Watch Spurs win now .
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The magic number remains at six. If Spurs get it down to three today then get on with your lives. If not, then we probably need to win against one of Liverpool or Palace.
6 what?
The aggregate number of points won by us/dropped by Spurs needed for fourth place.
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An alternative viewpoint on the upcoming game would be Spurs getting a point which would leave Liverpool with nothing to play for next week.
Bit like Brighton today.
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No wonder we lost. While we shat our pants against Greeks, Brighton were having a laugh team-bonding over a game of human Monopoly on Tottenham Court Road or some shit...
Brighton captain Lewis Dunk, speaking to Sky Sports: "I've missed this feeling, it's been a long time. We've not been good enough but it's nice to get back to winning ways.
"We've have a different week this week, away from the training ground and doing a lot of team building. And we've got the three points thankfully.
"We were all disappointed after the Bournemouth game. We've done something different this week. We had a day away from the training ground doing different activities and getting that spirit back. It's tough when you're losing, it's not easy. "
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Desperate stuff against a team that have been in worse form than us the last few weeks. The fuck was that?
It's called 58 games catching up on us. But if he hadn't taken the Conference seriously he would have got pelters too.
Nobody ever asked him to take the Conference League lightly. Plus Brighton have played over 50 games this season too.
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
It doesn't look like it but we have pulled good performances out of no where so never say never.
The Liverpool Spurs match is absolutely crucial to us, i reckon they'll lose at Man City but win their other 2 so it really does come down to this one, if your prediction comes true.
The're at home to Man city
Ah. Mind you i still think they'll lose as Man City have a track record of winning all their games during the run in. For a change i'll certinaly be hoping they win that one anyway.
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This weeks get your season back on track weeks winners Brighton and Hove Albion.
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As poor as our game was I thought the 30 second post match analysis Sky gave us was very poor. They couldn't wait to get to Anfield. Come on Liverpool. I feel dirty saying that.
I don’t, just for today. COME ON LIVERPOOL
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Couldn't care less tbh. Thursday is more important and we're finishing 4th anyway.
As long as Liverpool win today, that's where I'm at.
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Shit performance. Bullshit penalty. My heart sinks when Cash is brought on further forward, especially when we are creating close to nothing. I know we're depleted but I'd rather have put Tim on when Rogers got injured and pushed McGinn out wide. Or just put Duran on and have Diaby out wide, just not Cash as a midfielder.
Oh well, come on Klopp you gurning legend.
They're the sort of tactics I'd expect from Lambert, Gerrard or even Smith.
Not Unai.
All managers, even those as brilliant as him have these weird fucking traits
I definitely know what you mean, it is really frustrating.
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
It doesn't look like it but we have pulled good performances out of no where so never say never.
The Liverpool Spurs match is absolutely crucial to us, i reckon they'll lose at Man City but win their other 2 so it really does come down to this one, if your prediction comes true.
The're at home to Man city
Ah. Mind you i still think they'll lose as Man City have a track record of winning all their games during the run in. For a change i'll certinaly be hoping they win that one anyway.
I don’t think they’re a team that particularly let being away from home affect their form, to be fair.
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At least today will cleanse me of my burgeoning addiction to SHA.
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So long as we don't get fewer points out of Liverpool and Palace than they do against Man City & Liverpool then we're fine.
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Bottom line is that our paper thin squad has done us in recent games. I guarantee that if Unai had had a full squad to pick from all season, not only would top 4 be in the bag but we would have been looking at a historic double
The good news is that’s it’s only going to get better
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Bottom line is that our paper thin squad has done us in recent games. I guarantee that if Unai had had a full squad to pick from all season, not only would top 4 be in the bag but we would have been looking at a historic double
The good news is that’s it’s only going to get better
This is it, we've had horrendous injury problems this season AND a massively extended season, too, yet we're still currently 4th.
We're mentally fucked and really struggling. It's not good being in this situation, but it is totally understandable.
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
It doesn't look like it but we have pulled good performances out of no where so never say never.
The Liverpool Spurs match is absolutely crucial to us, i reckon they'll lose at Man City but win their other 2 so it really does come down to this one, if your prediction comes true.
The're at home to Man city
Ah. Mind you i still think they'll lose as Man City have a track record of winning all their games during the run in. For a change i'll certinaly be hoping they win that one anyway.
Hope your right but spurs have won their last 4 home games against city....maybe a change is due
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That was absolutely terrible. The fourth candidate for 'worst performance of the season' in the space of one month.
Olsen was a problem against Chelsea and Olympiakos. But not today! Today he was great at the saves and fine with the ball.
The problem is the midfield - and the weirdest thing is how similar that problem is to the MON days. Teams know not to press our defenders particularly - just wait for us to play into midfield and snap into action. Brentford did it, Lille did it, Chelsea did it, Olympiakos did it, and now Brighton have done it. And the problem is systemic - unless the two are having really top games they will be outnumbered, and to say the least these two are not having top games.
It's a personnel issue further forward as well. This 4-4-2 with the two wingers (again, I'm getting déjà-vu bordering on PTSD flashbacks to the MON days) is just too skittish, too disjointed to play this football. When one of the nominally 'wide' players is Tielemans or McGinn it's all fine, we can gain numerical advantage - Bailey, Rogers and Diaby just does not work. We have no control of the game ever with this setup.
The subs gave the game away a bit. Unai doesn't really trust the players to play the way we really want too, so he's counting on a bit of chaos and free-running. That's unlucky, of course - no Youri, no Kamara, no Zaniolo even who really helped us gain a foothold vs. Arsenal. We've lost the options at the heart of the team and the guys there are running on empty.
This is obviously way more forgivable than MON, who fucked it up almost on purpose and never knew anything like this list of injuries, at the worst possible time as well. But Unai needed to adapt the system today, and failed to do so both before and during the game. Unusual from him, but that's a big part of the story I'm afraid.
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Jesus Christ, I might have to watch this on a foreign stream, the Klopp rimming is so over the top already.
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
Course we will.
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We're running on fumes. I know what I would do on Thursday night but it wouldn't be popular.
If Spurs don't lose today we have to play the kids, we can't go into the Liverpool game with the same energy as today.
I agree. We simply cannot lose 4th.
I think it should have been the other way round. He should have played the kids today and rested every important player for Thursday.
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Couldn't care less tbh. Thursday is more important and we're finishing 4th anyway.
As long as Liverpool win today, that's where I'm at.
Pretty sure they will.
YNWA 8)
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So Newcastle are closer to Tottenham than Tottenham are to us but it’s all about Tottenham with the chance of the CL.
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Great week
A real inspiring performance to give us belief they can ovee turn a 2 goal deficit
Just need to hope spurs lose today as i cant see us winning another game this season
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Really weak performance all over. Not a 50/50 won and we looked clueless in a lot of what we tried. Slow, pedestrian, passive, take your pick really.
Hard to fathom the drop off in levels when you consider how well we played 2nd half against Bournemouth.
Olsen the only player who can take anything from the game.
We really need Tielemans back for his control in moving the ball on. McGinn in particular just gives it away cheaply, as he did trying to switch the play to Cash just before the penalty.
Didn't deserve anything really, against a side who looked just as bereft of ideas.
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Jesus Christ, I might have to watch this on a foreign stream, the Klopp rimming is so over the top already.
Honestly, they can spend 90 minutes literally fellating him as long as his team wins today.
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Villa played as if they have taken for granted that Spurs will lose to Liverpool and Man City*.
I hope they are right!!
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Said at half time we were sleepwalking to a 1-0 defeat.
Depressing to be proved right.
One thing is for sure after watching that....Unai really really really dosen't rate Tim at all does he? We were crying out for an extra body in central midfield just to get a bit more control and free up McGinn and can't understand why we didn't even do it for last 20 minutes.
We played for a 0-0 and got what we deserved. Waste of time even getting on the plane to Athens if we're just going to play in a similar manner over there.
I get the injuries but feels like Unai is making things a little harder than he should currently with some of his team calls. We've gone from playing 4 CMS for much of this season to now completely unloading the central midfield area because he doesn't want to play Tim in prem games that actually mean something.
Have to hope Tielemans is fit for Liverpool as they'll be scoring another three past us with how we played today.
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They seemed more determined than us, especially in the final third.
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So Newcastle are closer to Tottenham than Tottenham are to us but it’s all about Tottenham with the chance of the CL.
Yeah why wouldn't it be? Tottenham are closer to 4th than Newcastle are.
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One thing I will say is Brighton have played a lot of games and have a lot of injuries too. We allowed them to build up confidence because we were so passive. We got what we deserved in this one.
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So Newcastle are closer to Tottenham than Tottenham are to us but it’s all about Tottenham with the chance of the CL.
Yeah why wouldn't it be? Tottenham are closer to 4th than Newcastle are.
Because based on the stats there’s more chance of Newcastle catching spurs than spurs catching us.
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One thing I will say is Brighton have played a lot of games and have a lot of injuries too. We allowed them to build up confidence because we were so passive. We got what we deserved in this one.
Yes, you could see that Brighton were tentative in the first half and we handed them some confidence which they didn't have.
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I think its safe to say timmys getting sold in summer ans so is kesler. Cant even get look ins in a knackered squad.
Clear he doesnt rate neither
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Bottom line is that our paper thin squad has done us in recent games. I guarantee that if Unai had had a full squad to pick from all season, not only would top 4 be in the bag but we would have been looking at a historic double
The good news is that’s it’s only going to get better
Well said I like that. We need positivity now all round. The club. The players. US the fans. Everyone connected with Aston Villa football club. There's one or two on H&V who could do with a bit more of that ;)
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
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So Newcastle are closer to Tottenham than Tottenham are to us but it’s all about Tottenham with the chance of the CL.
Yeah why wouldn't it be? Tottenham are closer to 4th than Newcastle are.
Because based on the stats there’s more chance of Newcastle catching spurs than spurs catching us.
Well yeah but it’s a less interesting thing to catch neutrals with isn’t it? If the gap between 1st and 2nd was 5 points, and between 2nd and 3rd was three points and the team in 2nd was playing they’d be talking about chances of the title not finishing 3rd.
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So I missed all the game and only know the result. Not read any of the thread.
What’s the general feeling, deserved result?
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One thing I will say is Brighton have played a lot of games and have a lot of injuries too. We allowed them to build up confidence because we were so passive. We got what we deserved in this one.
True but they didn't play Thursday night or any recent Thursdays.
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Bottom line is that our paper thin squad has done us in recent games. I guarantee that if Unai had had a full squad to pick from all season, not only would top 4 be in the bag but we would have been looking at a historic double
The good news is that’s it’s only going to get better
This is it, we've had horrendous injury problems this season AND a massively extended season, too, yet we're still currently 4th.
We're mentally fucked and really struggling. It's not good being in this situation, but it is totally understandable.
There is definitely a "what could have been" if the full squad was available for most of the season, but we also know the situation we have now and somebody as tactical as Emery should have been able to work out the best way though the recent games. I'm not sure what Cash would have been like against Adinga but it couldn't have been any worse then Konsa. I'm not sure how Tim would have played in the middle, but it couldn't have been any worse then McGinn and Luiz. And as for the attack, yes we lost Rogers early on (was his the only shot on target we had?) but maybe he could have looked at Kellyman or even Duran then. But if not, why wait until the 73rd minute to actually make an attacking change which turned out to be Duran up front when the main problem was the passing to the front players?
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So I missed all the game and only know the result. Not read any of the thread.
What’s the general feeling, deserved result?
Yep we deserved nothing and Olsen stopped it being worse.
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It was written before the game. Brighton dreadful of late. We've got the better of them in recent times too, really had their number. Thus, a Brighton win banker and they looked like a side devoid of cutting edge for most of the game. We almost had to gift it to them with a poor penalty.
I'm at the moment because after the Arsenal game we've looked leggy. The passing is sloppy. The players are forcing balls and teammates are flat footed. It feels like at least 75% of every loose ball at the moment gets retrieved by opponents. We're really lacking sharpness. Ollie and Bailey are looking a little leggy at the moment too.
The back line is all over the place too. I felt for Olsen in the Olympiakos game because they were slicing through us. I know he should have done better on 3 of the goals but he was left 1 on 1 for two and the other was deflected, from a shot no one closed down. Today was similar but Brighton weren't quite as fluid as the Greeks and we weren't as bad.
Douglas has been below par in 2024 but really poor since returning from suspension. We've missed Tielemens a lot. McGinn is running around like a blue arsed fly trying to cover for a laboured midfield partner, but when McGinn goes into Jack Russell in the park mode and loses composure, he gives it away too many times and makes poor decisions.
We have 3-4 games left now. I really hope we get a few back to see us over the line. If Spurs pull off a surprise result against Liverpool or City I suspect we'll be in trouble. But I don't see it and it'd be pure Spursiness if they lost against Burnley. I think we'll creep over the line but having to call upon Chambers today says it all about how fucked our squad is at the moment, particularly as a few regulars look done in right now.
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How come Rogers went off, did it looks serious?
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So I missed all the game and only know the result. Not read any of the thread.
What’s the general feeling, deserved result?
They had 15 shots at goal with 8 on target, we had 1 on target (Rogers in the first 20 minutes or so I think) and a grand total of two in the match. Olsen was MOTM. So yes, I think the result was deserved and we were lucky only 1 goal was removed from our GD.
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
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How come Rogers went off, did it looks serious?
Hamstring is the guess. Although he walked off, he walked straight off and we didn't have a sub ready so I would guess his last contribution this season.
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So I missed all the game and only know the result. Not read any of the thread.
What’s the general feeling, deserved result?
Yep we deserved nothing and Olsen stopped it being worse.
I caught the end of 5Live and Warnock said that Olsen played well.
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
We weren’t exactly great vs Chelsea or Olympiakos either, which is why people are getting twitchy.
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
Definitely not Splendor sine occasu.
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
It's five in the space of a month.
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It does look like we have completely run out of steam. All looked jaded today. It's disappointing but understandable. Hopefully Spurs don't take advantage...
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So I missed all the game and only know the result. Not read any of the thread.
What’s the general feeling, deserved result?
Yep we deserved nothing and Olsen stopped it being worse.
They won courtesy of a dodgy pen which Olsen brilliantly saved but the rebound was kind to their striker. They were the better side overall and we look very leggy. Losing Roger's in the first half to an injury tipped the balance in their favour.
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
We have been poor all week in aspects of the game. Didn't attack well against Chelsea (when we did we either scored or caused them trouble) and haven't defended well in the last few matches either. Today was the storm where both combined, and with the player pool available to us getting smaller and consisting of the same players who just aren't doing it much anymore, where do you see the improvement?
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So I missed all the game and only know the result. Not read any of the thread.
What’s the general feeling, deserved result?
They had 15 shots at goal with 8 on target, we had 1 on target (Rogers in the first 20 minutes or so I think) and a grand total of two in the match. Olsen was MOTM. So yes, I think the result was deserved and we were lucky only 1 goal was removed from our GD.
The stats don’t look great. Our lack of options and either the young players not being good enough or UE lack of trust in them is killing us really.
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
Its a potential valid point " its not weak" stop being dramatic and rude its unnecessary
At the moment the team does look short on confidence
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
Indeed, if all our fans capitulated so easily, we'd end up in League 1.
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
Indeed, if all our fans capitulated so easily, we'd end up in League 1.
Its not one though is it? Its been three in a row
Very worrying for me
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It was clear today the midfield was being overrun, so what was the point in bringing Diaby off and putting Duran on? It needed Tim to at least try to get hold of the ball in midfield.
Torres had his worst game for us today, his passing was atrocious, and he's never been that good at the defensive side, so when he's constantly hitting 30 yard balls straight back to the opposition, he might as well not be playing.
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It was clear today the midfield was being overrun, so what was the point in bringing Diaby off and putting Duran on? It needed Tim to at least try to get hold of the ball in midfield.
Torres had his worst game for us today, his passing was atrocious, and he's never been that good at the defensive side, so when he's constantly hitting 30 yard balls straight back to the opposition, he might as well not be playing.
I think the second paragraph there is at least partly answered by the first. As you say, we were totally overran in midfield and Unai needed to react to that. Instead, he punted on more chaos rather than control and, well, that's what we got. Pau's passing was off but he didn't have enough options.
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Not at the races again apart from a few good attacking breaks.
Emery shouldn’t have started Konsa at RB again.
Cash shouldn’t have brought on up the pitch.
Diaby wasted a few crosses.
Again the luck was against us.
Liverpool score!!!
It ain’t over chaps.
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liverpool 1 up
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It was clear today the midfield was being overrun, so what was the point in bringing Diaby off and putting Duran on? It needed Tim to at least try to get hold of the ball in midfield.
Torres had his worst game for us today, his passing was atrocious, and he's never been that good at the defensive side, so when he's constantly hitting 30 yard balls straight back to the opposition, he might as well not be playing.
Didnt look match fit to me. As bad as lenglet was i would have gone carlos and lenglet for this one and saved pau for greece
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It was clear today the midfield was being overrun, so what was the point in bringing Diaby off and putting Duran on? It needed Tim to at least try to get hold of the ball in midfield.
Torres had his worst game for us today, his passing was atrocious, and he's never been that good at the defensive side, so when he's constantly hitting 30 yard balls straight back to the opposition, he might as well not be playing.
I think the second paragraph there is at least partly answered by the first. As you say, we were totally overran in midfield and Unai needed to react to that. Instead, he punted on more chaos rather than control and, well, that's what we got. Pau's passing was off but he didn't have enough options.
We desperately needs Tielemans back, or we're going to rely on Spurs being even worse than us. Which thankfully so far at least, they are.
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Clear I thought the enormous difference Tielemans and/or Kamara makes to our shape, structure, ability to keep the ball when pressed in midfield, all of it.
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Its not one though is it? Its been three in a row
Very worrying for me
I worry about how much you worry.
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I think we need some legs in that Midfield and trying get Mcginn further up the field
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Its not one though is it? Its been three in a row
Very worrying for me
I worry about how much you worry.
I worry about how much you worry about how much he worries.
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
It's five in the space of a month.
And even if it were just one game, weakness doesn't come into it. It's like suggesting Seventh Day Adventists keep getting their prediction for the date of armageddon wrong because their followers just don't believe enough. Mental.
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Its not one though is it? Its been three in a row
Very worrying for me
I worry about how much you worry.
I worry about how much you worry about how much he worries.
we are all worried
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
It's five in the space of a month.
And even if it were just one game, weakness doesn't come into it. It's like suggesting Seventh Day Adventists keep getting their prediction for the date of armageddon wrong because their followers just don't believe enough. Mental.
Yeah I'm not sure how much I personally believe is going to help us beat Crystal Palace - getting some control in midfield might help that.
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
It's five in the space of a month.
Its not 5 performances like that at all. Today was as bad as anything we've seen all season. It doesn't mean it's over. I absolutely loathe us losing and loathe the lower mentality from some too.
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Its not one though is it? Its been three in a row
Very worrying for me
I worry about how much you worry.
Well tell the players not to make me worry BV !
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
It's five in the space of a month.
Its not 5 performances like that at all. Today was as bad as anything we've seen all season. It doesn't mean it's over. I absolutely loathe us losing and loathe the lower mentality from some too.
I would say it's five performances that, for me, were all candidates for 'worst of the season'. Which is funny, because buried in there was also at least our second best display of the season. Just mad stuff really.
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Its not one though is it? Its been three in a row
Very worrying for me
I worry about how much you worry.
I worry about how much you worry about how much he worries.
we are all worried
They are worried more than they make out mate
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Disappointing but not surprising given the quick turnaround from Thursday. Personally watching Spurs get the runaround yet again I am confident fourth place is more or less in the bag. Onwards and upwards.
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So we can't get 3rd place now. Gutted.
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Its not one though is it? Its been three in a row
Very worrying for me
I worry about how much you worry.
I worry about how much you worry about how much he worries.
no worries
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Its not one though is it? Its been three in a row
Very worrying for me
I worry about how much you worry.
Well tell the players not to make me worry BV !
I did, but Alisha mustn't have passed the message on. :(
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A real shame after such a herculean effort this season that we're now barely crawling to the finish line. Losing on Thursday and pretty clear today that's knocked the stuffing out of Emery and the players. Wouldn't bet on us scoring another point this season
It's not clear, it's one poor performance. Stop being so weak.
It's five in the space of a month.
Its not 5 performances like that at all. Today was as bad as anything we've seen all season. It doesn't mean it's over. I absolutely loathe us losing and loathe the lower mentality from some too.
I would say it's five performances that, for me, were all candidates for 'worst of the season'. Which is funny, because buried in there was also at least our second best display of the season. Just mad stuff really.
The trouble is as well is that the only bright spots in the poorer performances are getting injured which seems to leave the players who aren't doing it for us still having to try to play. Tielemans performance (in the role that Luiz can't play at) was a big reason we got the last two wins. Rogers has been very good attacking the last few games as well. Both are out. Even Emi (although Olsen did nothing wrong today and deserved MOTM) being missing loses any hope of getting further in the Europa. So I also now can't see any more points this season unless several players get fit and others realise there is only a few matches left.
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As soon as I saw Cash coming on I had him and Gross to get booked and Brighton to win 1-0. A ridiculous 137/1 winner.
Too easy!
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As soon as I saw Cash coming on I had him and Gross to get booked and Brighton to win 1-0. A ridiculous 137/1 winner.
Too easy!
Siri, show me 'things that never happened'.
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Roberto De Zerbi: "To be honest, this was not Villa today. I can understand it because they are competing in the Conference League and have a lot of injuries.
"And because of that, they couldn't be the Aston Villa of usual."
Forgive me if this has previously been posted.
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Get in 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'!
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It doesn't really raise one's hopes for Thursday, does it.
We are so utterly mentally dead now, and the injuries are just getting ridiculous.
We need Spurs to continue to look abject against Liverpool today, and against Man City, because I don't think we can expect to be picking up many points in our remaining two league games.
I fear the same. I am hoping and that’s all it is we have massive effort left in us to get to the final and overturn this deficit. I just think we will fall short.
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Its not one though is it? Its been three in a row
Very worrying for me
I worry about how much you worry.
I worry about how much you worry about how much he worries.
no worries
Don’t worry
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The difference between the good and the everybody else, isn't set backs or adversity, but how quickly you respond. What better way is there than to get to a European final.
We'll need a couple of players back to help.
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The difference between the good and the everybody else, isn't set backs or adversity, but how quickly you respond. What better way is there than to get to a European final.
We'll need a couple of players back to help.
I’m hoping there’s an element of being flat for this one today and they’ll have a massive effort in them on Thursday. Rogers loss is big, we need Tielemans back, but was just have to show so much more than we did today.
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Roberto De Zerbi: "To be honest, this was not Villa today. I can understand it because they are competing in the Conference League and have a lot of injuries.
"And because of that, they couldn't be the Aston Villa of usual."
Forgive me if this has previously been posted.
Seems the opposition managers can see what some of our own fans can't. Spurs heading for their 4th defeat in a row, it's almost all over anyway.
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We were flat and knackered. Not helped by Diaby wandering aimlessly around the pitch. If Bailey doesn't have a good game, we seem to falter with Ollie doing more work outside the box than he should be doing. Penalty was as soft as I have seen all season. Olsen had a good game. Other than Diaby, no-one had a bad game, the end of the season can't come soon enough.
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Unai post match after a defeat is awesome. Unlike Ange.
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We were flat and knackered. Not helped by Diaby wandering aimlessly around the pitch. If Bailey doesn't have a good game, we seem to falter with Ollie doing more work outside the box than he should be doing. Penalty was as soft as I have seen all season. Olsen had a good game. Other than Diaby, no-one had a bad game, the end of the season can't come soon enough.
Konsa and McGinn had abysmal games.
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We where no good, we didnt deserve anything, too many important players missing so dont function as a team.
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Wouldn't it be nice to have the absolute luxury today, when shuffling the squad, to have brought in say, Emi Martinez, Tyrone Mings, Kamara, JJ, Tielemans and Buendia.
Not an excuse Emery would ever use and not one I am really making either, just a wistful thought.
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Was looking for a reaction from Thursday but not that one. We weren’t even pedestrian. I get that they’re tired etc but come on, that really wasn’t acceptable.
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Wouldn't it be nice to have the absolute luxury today, when shuffling the squad, to have brought in say, Emi Martinez, Tyrone Mings, Kamara, JJ, Tielemans and Buendia.
Not an excuse Emery would ever use and not one I am really making either, just a wistful thought.
If we had all those players fit, and playing like they did the end of last season, then I think we would be pushing for the title. But it also would have been nice if he had trusted in some younger players to give players a rest as well and maybe not trying square pegs too many times.
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I would expect our expected goals will be the lowest of the season, the only time we might have scored was when Ollie, instead of shooting, decided to take a man on and if McGinn had been quicker going out, he would have been onside. Well done to Olsen, MOTM, very unlucky with the goal, initially a brilliant penalty save.
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Being tired is no excuse for people with their remuneration.
They’re not going an important job.
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Being tired is no excuse for people with their remuneration.
They’re not going an important job.
Take that, biology!
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Being tired is no excuse for people with their remuneration.
They’re not going an important job.
Take that, biology!
We pay them a billion quid a week NOT to get lactic acid. The pussies.
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Wouldn't it be nice to have the absolute luxury today, when shuffling the squad, to have brought in say, Emi Martinez, Tyrone Mings, Kamara, JJ, Tielemans and Buendia.
Not an excuse Emery would ever use and not one I am really making either, just a wistful thought.
If we had all those players fit, and playing like they did the end of last season, then I think we would be pushing for the title. But it also would have been nice if he had trusted in some younger players to give players a rest as well and maybe not trying square pegs too many times.
Nah, the top three are a fair way ahead of us. We're massively over-achieving. Newcastle have been probably more battered by injuries than us, Chelsea are belatedly showing they will be a force to reckon with next season and Yanited will be if they get rid of their manager and coaching staff. We had to get top four this season or we'd probably be locked-out for another generation.
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It’s okay to be pissy with your comments. I can see how my comment can be torn apart. But collectively forgetting how to pass a ball is basic stuff.
We’ll still get 4th.
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We had no Emi Martinez, Tyrone Mings, Kamara, JJ, Tielemans, Buendia and Zanilio, Rogers went off, and Moreno only just back.
Clearly, he doesn't rate many of the youth players enough to chuck them in, and who are we to say differently. If they were good enough they would be playing.
He is out of options, and the players that we have are out on there feet.
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We had no Emi Martinez, Tyrone Mings, Kamara, JJ, Tielemans, Buendia and Zanilio, Rogers went off, and Moreno only just back.
Clearly, he doesn't rate many of the youth players enough to chuck them in, and who are we to say differently. If they were good enough they would be playing.
He is out of options, and the players that we have are out on there feet.
I agree about your comments about the youngsters. Kesler and i think tim will be moved on. Kellyman will be loaned out.
Just amazes me unai has little faith in them when we have exhausted players out there
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
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We had no Emi Martinez, Tyrone Mings, Kamara, JJ, Tielemans, Buendia and Zanilio, Rogers went off, and Moreno only just back.
Clearly, he doesn't rate many of the youth players enough to chuck them in, and who are we to say differently. If they were good enough they would be playing.
He is out of options, and the players that we have are out on there feet.
I agree about your comments about the youngsters. Kesler and i think tim will be moved on. Kellyman will be loaned out.
Just amazes me unai has little faith in them when we have exhausted players out there
I think Kellyman is the only one he really likes the look of. I think he doesn't rate tim's mindset (if that makes sense). I think he is ready or capable to do what Unai wants him to do. Which is completely different to whether he is any good.
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As it stands, this team isn't winning another game this season. They're out on their feet. Blood the bench now. The kids can't do any worse and you jut never know.
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Yeah, or not able to do the job he wants them to. I think its probably more about "fit" rather than ability. Hence why Rogers has done well because he "fits" into the way we want to play. Maybe the youth players don't.
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As it stands, this team isn't winning another game this season. They're out on their feet. Blood the bench now. The kids can't do any worse and you jut never know.
If we'd won today that's probably what would have happened but even with Spurs losing again, we need a result from at least one more game, so can't see us playing the B team anytime soon.
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Maybe but you wont know unless you play them
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Maybe but you wont know unless you play them
Probably have a good idea seeing them in training every day though.
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We’re running on fumes , unable to get the ball forward nowhere as quickly as we did in our Autumnal pomp.
2 more points will probably get us over the line but that’s no mere formality at present given our tiredness.
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Well I think Mr De Zerbi sums it up perfectly
"I'm proud because we played a great game against one of the best teams in the Premier League. They are fourth and playing against Unai Emery is very tough. We played a good game and deserved to win.
"We could have scored more goals but, to be honest, Villa were not the true Villa. Maybe they were tired. I can understand that because they played on Thursday evening and they have a lot of injuries. For that, they couldn't be the true Aston Villa.
"We played very well in the defensive phase but in the offensive phase as well, we created a lot of chances to score. We made mistakes in the last part of the pitch, we have to be better, but we are unlucky because [Robin] Olsen was the best player for Villa."
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As it stands, this team isn't winning another game this season. They're out on their feet. Blood the bench now. The kids can't do any worse and you jut never know.
I thought that before the Arsenal game and we pulled one hell of a performance.
It’s going to take another heroic effort on Thursday and home against Liverpool though. It would be nice to finish this season off with some good form and fun, they have given so many reasons to be happy, it’s probably me being spoilt, but it would be fantastic for the players, manager and coaching staff too.
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You know we’re shit when our keeper is the best player.
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I feel we've got one more win in us before the end of the season: where it'll come from, I have absolutely no idea!
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It’s been a long old season and inevitably, it’s catching up with us but it shouldn’t detract from what has, overall, been incredible progress. We are way outperforming our resources and now, if we can summon one final push to get over the line we’ll be duly rewarded.
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Maybe but you wont know unless you play them
Probably have a good idea seeing them in training every day though.
Yeah i know what you mean but you dont really know until you give them chances. Their confidence must be shot to bits.
Honestly i don't know why we bothered recalling kesler
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Well that looked like our worst performance of the season and losing rogers just to put the tin fcuking hat on it. We’ve no chance in Greece based on this. How many times did Watkins actually touch the ball?
When he did it cannoned off his shin.
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Liverpool home and Palace away. Not confident about either of those. And wouldn't it be just like Spurs to turn up and beat City. Just have to pray that Arsenal beat Utd on the 12th - then City will have to pull it all out against Spurs on the 14th. If not, their race is pretty well won. Still nerve-wracking.
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A strange weekend.
One team wins and get relegated to the 3rd division.
Another team loses and move ever close to playing in the European Cup for the first time in 41 years.
Spawny Vilers! ;D
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Liverpool home and Palace away. Not confident about either of those. And wouldn't it be just like Spurs to turn up and beat City.
Sounds obvious but I think if we can overturn Olympiakos' lead oh Thursday and make the final it will lift everyone for the Liverpool game. Last home game of the season too, so really should be up for at least a draw.
I'd love for us to do it ourselves but I'll absolutely take Spurs blowing it for themselves and our results not mattering.
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Maybe but you wont know unless you play them
Probably have a good idea seeing them in training every day though.
I thought it was telling Emery's comments in Feb when loads were expecting Tim to come in after Kamara's injury and he was saying words to the effect of not believing enough in training.
Three months on and he's still rooted to the bench with us down to the bare bones in central midfield.
I do think we produce some talented players but a lot of them don't seem to have that arrogance of believing they belong in the premier league when they break through. Gabby certainly had that swagger in his early seasons of coming through and then Ramsey in recent times also settled in nicely as has Rogers so that's exactly who Tim needs to be looking at if he wants to be a serious premier league player eventually.
Not sure why he didn't just go out on loan in August as we still have Donk in the squad up to the end of the January window so he'd have been more up to speed at least.
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Roberto De Zerbi: "To be honest, this was not Villa today. I can understand it because they are competing in the Conference League and have a lot of injuries.
"And because of that, they couldn't be the Aston Villa of usual."
Forgive me if this has previously been posted.
Fair play to him.
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A strange weekend.
One team wins and get relegated to the 3rd division.
Another team loses and move ever close to playing in the European Cup for the first time in 41 years.
Spawny Vilers! ;D
😂🤣
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Cash was gash; Diaby was anonymous; we had nothing to offer; Olsen did well!
I am one of those who believe that Tim, KKH and Kellyman could have had more involvement in recent games because we lack the youthful enthusiasm and energy that hey would bring.
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Cash was gash; Diaby was anonymous; we had nothing to offer; Olsen did well!
I am one of those who believe that Tim, KKH and Kellyman could have had more involvement in recent games because we lack the youthful enthusiasm and energy that hey would bring.
No he wasnt
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Yeah, or not able to do the job he wants them to. I think its probably more about "fit" rather than ability. Hence why Rogers has done well because he "fits" into the way we want to play. Maybe the youth players don't.
Quite, we could have hung in there for a good point. We may have been hammered playing those who the manager isn’t trusting to start.
I think Emery deserves enough credit to allow him to select his sides and the reasons for not selecting certain individuals. He had no problems playing Rogers, so it’s nothing to do with age.
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As soon as I saw Cash coming on I had him and Gross to get booked and Brighton to win 1-0. A ridiculous 137/1 winner.
Too easy!
Siri, show me 'things that never happened'.
He's the bane of bookies throughout the land. They dread seeing him pull up outside in his Bugatti Veyron (paid for by his winnings).
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For me, this was Unai trying to conserve player energy levels and game management. He was playing for a draw with a clear couple of “sprints” in the second half to knick a goal. Unfortunately the soft penalty ruined the game plan, but it would have been welcomed as a good away point if we see the game out. I don’t like playing this way but can understand why. Narrow margins.
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Not sure why people can not understand that the difference in performance from 2023 to 2024 is down to fatigue and injuries.
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And, that was never a penalty.
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It’s a pen.
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It didn’t look any different to the one we didn’t get for the challenge on Rogers in the first half.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/brighton-vs-a-villa/report/482943
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When was the last time Ollie did not have so much as a shot on goal?
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Roberto De Zerbi: "To be honest, this was not Villa today. I can understand it because they are competing in the Conference League and have a lot of injuries.
"And because of that, they couldn't be the Aston Villa of usual."
Forgive me if this has previously been posted.
Fair play to him.
That’s it really and an elite coach like De Zerbi saw that. We are at the end of our tether and limping home.
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It’s a pen.
Please explain how that is a penalty.
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Maybe but you wont know unless you play them
Probably have a good idea seeing them in training every day though.
Exactly. People seem to miss that point when questioning why this player or that player isn't getting picked.
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Maybe but you wont know unless you play them
Probably have a good idea seeing them in training every day though.
Exactly. People seem to miss that point when questioning why this player or that player isn't getting picked.
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Again. Training is training. There is nothing like getting minutes on the pitch
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Maybe but you wont know unless you play them
Probably have a good idea seeing them in training every day though.
Exactly. People seem to miss that point when questioning why this player or that player isn't getting picked.
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Again. Training is training. There is nothing like getting minutes on the pitch
The question is do you play a superior player who is fatigued or a lesser player who is not.
If there is a question over Emery management Is that maybe he has not tried to supplement the tam with some energy from our squad.
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Wouldn't it be nice to have the absolute luxury today, when shuffling the squad, to have brought in say, Emi Martinez, Tyrone Mings, Kamara, JJ, Tielemans and Buendia.
Not an excuse Emery would ever use and not one I am really making either, just a wistful thought.
Three ACLs in six months is ridiculous but at least for the first two we had time to do something about it and got in Lenglet and Zaniolo.
Brighton had about eight out today didn't they so ultimately it's just something that is happening to 90% prem teams.
One thing is for sure we can't spend months in the summer window trying to get in a DM, that needs to be our first signing of the summer and in by mid July given Kamara won't be back until December and then will need time to get up to speed.
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It’s a pen.
Please explain how that is a penalty.
His leg catches their player.
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Disappointing but so you can see that the team are absolutely out on their feet. They have given so much this season and we’ve been so unfortunate with injuries. As soon as we get someone back (Moreno) someone else goes off (Rodgers). What are we suppose to do. To get where we are is just tremendous. Game turned on two penalty calls. Rodgers after a few mins looked a one but wasn’t given. Special mention to Robin Olsen today who made some really good saves and was unlucky on the penalty rebound.
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Maybe but you wont know unless you play them
Probably have a good idea seeing them in training every day though.
Exactly. People seem to miss that point when questioning why this player or that player isn't getting picked.
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Again. Training is training. There is nothing like getting minutes on the pitch
And Unai Emery is an elite level coach. I think he knows what he's doing when it comes to picking a team based on training matches at BH.
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Again. Training is training. There is nothing like getting minutes on the pitch
If they're not good enough in training then the odds of them being good enough in a game are not exactly high are they.
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I think Kellyman might have a chance, not convinced on the others.
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Maybe but you wont know unless you play them
Probably have a good idea seeing them in training every day though.
Exactly. People seem to miss that point when questioning why this player or that player isn't getting picked.
Particualrly with players we don't know if there any good.
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It’s a pen.
Please explain how that is a penalty.
His leg catches their player.
I thought the Rogers one in the first half was a penalty if that's the criteria. Adingra just slowed up and Ez tried to stop his momentum and there was a bit of contact, that's it.
Didn't know this was the same ref that refused us endless penalties v Sheffield United. Hopefully he's not in charge for the second leg!
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Not the best performance, but I still think we will finish 4th. Liverpool did us a favour this afternoon, and hopefully we can get at least a point off them when we play them.
To make the day even even worse, I just a phone call off my mom to tell me my old man accidentally cut his thumb off! Been googling prosthetic thumbs all evening! It's unlikely he can get to the Liverpool game now, but hopefully we have a performance to cheer him up.
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Credit to Olsen. Thought he was superb today and happy to admit i've given him a hard ride these last few days and been overly critical . He came in today under enormous pressure and played really well. Well done Robin.
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We were flat and knackered. Not helped by Diaby wandering aimlessly around the pitch. If Bailey doesn't have a good game, we seem to falter with Ollie doing more work outside the box than he should be doing. Penalty was as soft as I have seen all season. Olsen had a good game. Other than Diaby, no-one had a bad game, the end of the season can't come soon enough.
Konsa and McGinn had abysmal games.
McGinn couldn't run the last 30 mins.
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Wouldn't it be nice to have the absolute luxury today, when shuffling the squad, to have brought in say, Emi Martinez, Tyrone Mings, Kamara, JJ, Tielemans and Buendia.
Not an excuse Emery would ever use and not one I am really making either, just a wistful thought.
Three ACLs in six months is ridiculous but at least for the first two we had time to do something about it and got in Lenglet and Zaniolo.
Yeah, that's true.
But then again, on the down side, we got in Lenglet and Zaniolo.
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It’s a pen.
Please explain how that is a penalty.
His leg catches their player.
I did not see any contact with his leg, maybe I missed something. It looked to me, as soon as he felt contact he threw himself to the ground.
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It looked a pen to me . Was a clumbsy move by Konsa .
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Can they be any worse then the players who are dead on their feet and making the mistakes they are doing though?
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It’s a pen.
Please explain how that is a penalty.
His leg catches their player.
I did not see any contact with his leg, maybe I missed something. It looked to me, as soon as he felt contact he threw himself to the ground.
I agree with you. I didn't see anything wrong with Konsa's challenge. A slight coming together but that's inevitable when players challenge each other for the ball. Compare that to the penalty we weren't given when Bailey was bought down against Olympiakos. If you were to show both incidents to a room full people of who had never seen either and ask them which one was given and which one wasn't I'd bet a pound to a pinch of salt that the majority would have it the other way round.
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Maybe they just aren't very good.
Can they be any worse then the players who are dead on their feet and making the mistakes they are doing though?
Yes.
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Well yeah but you load the answer a bit there. Bailey’s definitely should have been a pen, it was a shocker. So if you say to a group one is a penalty one is not, pick one, then Bailey’s is more obvious. They’re both penalties though.
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The usual over-reaction from many. This team, this manager, are delivering our best season for a long long time. It’s really simple - we are just out of gas. If you want to find fault in that, knock yourself out.
We will finish 4th and that far outweighs my expectations last August. There is so much to look forward too.
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The usual over-reaction from many. This team, this manager, are delivering our best season for a long long time. It’s really simple - we are just out of gas. If you want to find fault in that, knock yourself out.
We will finish 4th and that far outweighs my expectations last August. There is so much to look forward too.
Agree.
Amazing what we have achieved considering the injuries and inevitable fatigue.
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I didn't think it was a penalty. Konsa was caught out of position but I thought he did enough to put off the forward. Contact was minimal enough.
I only saw last 30 mins or so but thought Emery should have been a lot sharper with his subs. Team looked very flat, could easily have replaced the full backs 10 mins before he did. They were warming up but he delayed and the penalty was conceded in that time.
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Well yeah but you load the answer a bit there. Bailey’s definitely should have been a pen, it was a shocker. So if you say to a group one is a penalty one is not, pick one, then Bailey’s is more obvious. They’re both penalties though.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I think the Bailey one was nailed on and the Brighton one today is debatable.
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The usual over-reaction from many. This team, this manager, are delivering our best season for a long long time. It’s really simple - we are just out of gas. If you want to find fault in that, knock yourself out.
We will finish 4th and that far outweighs my expectations last August. There is so much to look forward too.
Well said.
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I thought we were rubbish. We looked knackered, we just didn't get going at all and well, that's more or less it really apart from getting beaten by a very dodgy penalty. As always typically Villa, we didn't take advantage of Spuds losing. Still fucking chuffed with them all overall though.
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Wouldn't it be nice to have the absolute luxury today, when shuffling the squad, to have brought in say, Emi Martinez, Tyrone Mings, Kamara, JJ, Tielemans and Buendia.
Not an excuse Emery would ever use and not one I am really making either, just a wistful thought.
Three ACLs in six months is ridiculous but at least for the first two we had time to do something about it and got in Lenglet and Zaniolo.
Yeah, that's true.
But then again, on the down side, we got in Lenglet and Zaniolo.
We won't be signing either if that cheers you up given the Hermoso link is getting stronger and hopefully in August we'll have Rogers, Ramsey and Buendia all fully fit to rotate for the left hand side of midfield.
Lenglet been average but two years ago we had Hause as 4th choice CB so having a Barca player fulfilling that role is obviously an upgrade.
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Yes I think it’s ok to be frustrated about an individual result/performance and still be delighted with the season overall.
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I thought we were rubbish. We looked knackered, we just didn't get going at all and well, that's more or less it really apart from getting beaten by a very dodgy penalty. As always typically Villa, we didn't take advantage of Spuds losing. Still fucking chuffed with them all overall though.
We have taken advantage of Spuds losing (kind of). We are still 7 points ahead with one less game to play and the goal difference between us went up by +1.
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Yes I think it’s ok to be frustrated about an individual result/performance and still be delighted with the season overall.
Agreed
And lets not forget its not just been a one off its been three rubbish performances in a row.
If certain players are knackered then why you not making changes? We have players such as youngsters on the bench, chambers another who is rarely used. We know the latter isnt great but bring him on as a sub for 20 to give some breathers to players. Same with the kids.
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Tiredness isn't really an excuse for me . These are professional athletes playing football , not humans going to war or into hard labour . They are well looked after . Top teams play lots of games , it's normal , Emery deploys a system that accommodates lots of games and less training . Today was poor , boring, insipid football. Brighton were there for the taking . Poor .
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Oh here we go again. Their bodies are made of some magical material that they don’t get tired because they only run around and get paid well versus working in a factory or in the mines.
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It's not necessarily tiredness in the legs alone, it's the head too.
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
But that's because of the fatigue.
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
I think that is the mental tiredness playing a part.
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
Well then it probably is the tiredness that concerns you.
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Tiredness isn't really an excuse for me . These are professional athletes playing football , not humans going to war or into hard labour . They are well looked after . Top teams play lots of games , it's normal , Emery deploys a system that accommodates lots of games and less training . Today was poor , boring, insipid football. Brighton were there for the taking . Poor .
Yeah, but we haven't been a top team for about 30 years, have we? We don't have the squad or the engrained mentality that year after year of competing in Europe brings.
It's not about "well, they've not played a game for a week" either - yeah, it's easier when you're not playing so many games, but we are, it's fucking relentless for us right now.
Then on top of that, there's the cumulative load of the stress of a season like this, week after week for nine months.
Your argument sounds a little bit like the sort of argument that rich sportsmen can't be depressed because they're rich (see Collymore).
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
I think that is the mental tiredness playing a part.
Exactly.
Douglas Luiz isn't turning in poor performances because he's suddenly shit or badly trained. He's fucked.
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It's not necessarily tiredness in the legs alone, it's the head too.
Absolutely. They are both physically and mentally tired. And few also speak about the training intensity that Emery puts himself, his coaches and players through. It all adds up. We and they are appreciating how far it has brought us, but I’m sure the players cannot wait to get to the end of the season to have break.
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Bailey is the epitome of where we currently are fitness wise.
No one can honestly be watching him last few weeks and think he's at peak fitness. It's more like he's carrying a significant injury (the bandage gives a clue) and he's just trying to get through games with a burst in each half here and there.
Clue is in how many touches he's taking to get away from players compared to the first half of the season.
I think if we were just mid table and out of all the cups he'd have had an op or just been rested for the season but he clearly wants to help get us over the line as one of the standout players.
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
I think that is the mental tiredness playing a part.
Exactly.
Douglas Luiz isn't turning in poor performances because he's suddenly shit or badly trained. He's fucked.
No it’s all Alisha’s fault!!
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One big last push now required against Olympiakos. Everything is on Thursday for me. We need a trophy.
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
Well then it probably is the tiredness that concerns you.
What?
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
Well then it probably is the tiredness that concerns you.
What?
The sloppy passing is likely directly influenced by fatigue.
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
I think that is the mental tiredness playing a part.
Exactly.
Douglas Luiz isn't turning in poor performances because he's suddenly shit or badly trained. He's fucked.
The only thing for me with dougie is he had a two game ban so had a breather and has been really shit since he came back. Im not sure it is all tiredness with him. I think part of it is a run of poor form too
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
I think that is the mental tiredness playing a part.
Exactly.
Douglas Luiz isn't turning in poor performances because he's suddenly shit or badly trained. He's fucked.
The only thing for me with dougie is he had a two game ban so had a breather and has been really shit since he came back. Im not sure it is all tiredness with him. I think part of it is a run of poor form too
Bailey?
Digne is also starting to look leggy aswell which isn't a surprise given Moreno's only been available for about two months of this selection so we haven't done as much rotation as expected in that position.
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It's purely mental.
Jaffa cakes, skittles, Pre, Beta Alanine, maybe not all the above, although your face twitching can be kinda fun, will all help a sore and battered body embrace the "1 more" mindset. The body can take a lot of punishment in sport. But only if the mind is willing.
What we're doing is novel for a lot of these players. Looking in two directions, this deep into the season, where pressure is building as margins for error increase. They've not done it before.
Remember when you were learning to drive and you'd sweat like a mother fucker, not because you were doing anything physically strenuous, but because you were doing something out your comfort zone. Like a low achiever at work that you're supervising shitting the bed over something trivial. It's the same; mentally exhausting. McGinn trying a Hollywood outside his skill set, when a 5 yard pass to Bailey makes more sense. That's between the ears, they break. Penalty.
Emi Martinez, Yuri Tielemans have medals in the cabinet. That exprience brings a calmness, which we need back in the XI desperately. They don't sweat when they drive anymore than you; been here done it, muscle memory, barely have to think. Easy. That's what we have to get through now. And we will.
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Physical and sporting fatigue has been spoken about for donkey's years, by professional athletes in countless sports, coaches, physios etc. That a few on the internet don't believe in it as they think they know better than those that earn a living from knowing about it is bizarre.
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The usual over-reaction from many. This team, this manager, are delivering our best season for a long long time. It’s really simple - we are just out of gas. If you want to find fault in that, knock yourself out.
We will finish 4th and that far outweighs my expectations last August. There is so much to look forward too.
What would you suggest I use? Laughing or cyanide?
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
I think that is the mental tiredness playing a part.
Exactly.
Douglas Luiz isn't turning in poor performances because he's suddenly shit or badly trained. He's fucked.
The only thing for me with dougie is he had a two game ban so had a breather and has been really shit since he came back. Im not sure it is all tiredness with him. I think part of it is a run of poor form too
A two game ban where he played two European ties in the intervening weeks. That’s not a break of any significance, and the midfield is massively overstretched.
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
I think that is the mental tiredness playing a part.
Exactly.
Douglas Luiz isn't turning in poor performances because he's suddenly shit or badly trained. He's fucked.
The only thing for me with dougie is he had a two game ban so had a breather and has been really shit since he came back. Im not sure it is all tiredness with him. I think part of it is a run of poor form too
A two game ban where he played two European ties in the intervening weeks. That’s not a break of any significance, and the midfield is massively overstretched.
One game a week is a break compared to playing two?
What about mcginn bailey and diaby and co? These guys have had virtually no break so i disagree with you here paul.
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It's purely mental.
Jaffa cakes, skittles, Pre, Beta Alanine, maybe not all the above, although your face twitching can be kinda fun, will all help a sore and battered body embrace the "1 more" mindset. The body can take a lot of punishment in sport. But only if the mind is willing.
What we're doing is novel for a lot of these players. Looking in two directions, this deep into the season, where pressure is building as margins for error increase. They've not done it before.
Remember when you were learning to drive and you'd sweat like a mother fucker, not because you were doing anything physically strenuous, but because you were doing something out your comfort zone. Like a low achiever at work that you're supervising shitting the bed over something trivial. It's the same; mentally exhausting. McGinn trying a Hollywood outside his skill set, when a 5 yard pass to Bailey makes more sense. That's between the ears, they break. Penalty.
Emi Martinez, Yuri Tielemans have medals in the cabinet. That exprience brings a calmness, which we need back in the XI desperately. They don't sweat when they drive anymore than you; been here done it, muscle memory, barely have to think. Easy. That's what we have to get through now. And we will.
I think this is the best explanation of what were seeing. Players operating at their peak for way longer than they ever have done - with no backup for a bad day.
Each and every one of them has done us proud. If it's a stretch too far then so be it - what they have achieved with so few players is amazing.
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Insipid. Olsen Motm nothing else to say it was so indescript. Onwards to Thursday…
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I wanted to recognise Olsen’s contribution today, and this comment came up very early. He may not be playing again if Emi is back for Thursday, and we all hope he is, so thanks, Robin.
Other than that, I’m in the, put ice on everybody’s legs and feed them on spinach and spagbol whatever it takes, camp.
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No I understand that, my point is it’s not a break of any significance or enough to properly resolve fatigue. Diaby has played less and the other two look exhausted too (one of which had a 3 game ban).
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
I think that is the mental tiredness playing a part.
Exactly.
Douglas Luiz isn't turning in poor performances because he's suddenly shit or badly trained. He's fucked.
The only thing for me with dougie is he had a two game ban so had a breather and has been really shit since he came back. Im not sure it is all tiredness with him. I think part of it is a run of poor form too
Bailey?
Digne is also starting to look leggy aswell which isn't a surprise given Moreno's only been available for about two months of this selection so we haven't done as much rotation as expected in that position.
Yeah its been abit annoying that we have rarely had both digne and moreno available for large parts of the season as each one seems to be getting injuted (more moreno)
Bailey looks finished to me. Why he hasnt used kellyman more and taken bailey off only unai knows. Poor guys playing witha knee strap sums in all up.
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It's not the tiredness that concerns me it was the sloppy passing
I think that is the mental tiredness playing a part.
Exactly.
Douglas Luiz isn't turning in poor performances because he's suddenly shit or badly trained. He's fucked.
The only thing for me with dougie is he had a two game ban so had a breather and has been really shit since he came back. Im not sure it is all tiredness with him. I think part of it is a run of poor form too
A two game ban where he played two European ties in the intervening weeks. That’s not a break of any significance, and the midfield is massively overstretched.
I think Dougie's problem is him and McGinn as a double pivot doesn't work. It didn't work under Deano, Gerrard and now Unai.
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It's purely mental.
Jaffa cakes, skittles, Pre, Beta Alanine, maybe not all the above, although your face twitching can be kinda fun, will all help a sore and battered body embrace the "1 more" mindset. The body can take a lot of punishment in sport. But only if the mind is willing.
What we're doing is novel for a lot of these players. Looking in two directions, this deep into the season, where pressure is building as margins for error increase. They've not done it before.
Remember when you were learning to drive and you'd sweat like a mother fucker, not because you were doing anything physically strenuous, but because you were doing something out your comfort zone. Like a low achiever at work that you're supervising shitting the bed over something trivial. It's the same; mentally exhausting. McGinn trying a Hollywood outside his skill set, when a 5 yard pass to Bailey makes more sense. That's between the ears, they break. Penalty.
Emi Martinez, Yuri Tielemans have medals in the cabinet. That exprience brings a calmness, which we need back in the XI desperately. They don't sweat when they drive anymore than you; been here done it, muscle memory, barely have to think. Easy. That's what we have to get through now. And we will.
Brilliant post mate.
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Think SJM needs another sesh in Dublin, by the looks of it.
£10 pints to soothe the soul.
Or maybe he's just come back off one.
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Oh here we go again. Their bodies are made of some magical material that they don’t get tired because they only run around and get paid well versus working in a factory or in the mines.
Agree ,the evidence is there if you watch what is happening on the pitch.
A few months ago we had players running to receive the ball, now it is pass then move.
They are knackered, not sure what we can do to change this. Just hope that some of the walking wounded become available, if not it’s hard to see us winning another game this season.
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Think SJM needs another sesh in Dublin, by the looks of it.
£10 pints to soothe the soul.
Or maybe he's just come back off one.
I would genuinely be looking at taking them all on the piss for a couple days after the game in Greece.
They look like they need it.
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It's not necessarily tiredness in the legs alone, it's the head too.
Honestly next you’ll be telling us vision is nothing about eyes it’s all in the brain.
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Think SJM needs another sesh in Dublin, by the looks of it.
£10 pints to soothe the soul.
Or maybe he's just come back off one.
I would genuinely be looking at taking them all on the piss for a couple days after the game in Greece.
They look like they need it.
Doesn't he go to Benidorm most summers with his mates from back home?
He's earned that break this year. Walking down the sea front, factor 250 all over, dodging the chain smoking silver-tops on their mobility scooters, not a care in the world, King of Scotland.
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A fraction of a second delay in speed of movement or thought makes a massive difference at this elite level. It's not like it's some random idea a few of us have decided to run with, there's countless articles, studies, videos etc.
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Not much a break this year with Euros.
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He could have a sedan chair and a line of people wanting to carry it.
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Mcginn has played an absolutely astonishing amount of football the last two or so years.
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A fraction of a second delay in speed of movement or thought makes a massive difference at this elite level. It's not like it's some random idea a few of us have decided to run with, there's countless articles, studies, videos etc.
Yeah it's like a load of F1 cars, they're going to beat your Hyundai i10 from lights every time but up against other F1 cars if anything is slightly off your fucked.
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BBC News at Ten, sports section - "Spurs chances of top 4 are more or less over after defeat at Liverpool " .
Wankers . Why not have a headline of "Aston Villa are more or less guaranteed champions league football for the first time in 41 years "
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Oh here we go again. Their bodies are made of some magical material that they don’t get tired because they only run around and get paid well versus working in a factory or in the mines.
Ha ha ha. Excellent rebuttal sir.
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Just don't understand why Konsa who was having a mare against his opponenet was left there to struggle when Cash was bought on.
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BBC News at Ten, sports section - "Spurs chances of top 4 are more or less over after defeat at Liverpool " .
Wankers . Why not have a headline of "Aston Villa are more or less guaranteed champions league football for the first time in 41 years "
Because we still have to get a couple of points and we don’t have a manager who calls everybody, ‘Mate’.
Bright side:
Could be an opportunity for Richard Parker; ‘Maaaate!’
Geographical association for SUE. Unfortunately, not until next season.
Politics, huh.
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Not the best performance, but I still think we will finish 4th. Liverpool did us a favour this afternoon, and hopefully we can get at least a point off them when we play them.
To make the day even even worse, I just a phone call off my mom to tell me my old man accidentally cut his thumb off! Been googling prosthetic thumbs all evening! It's unlikely he can get to the Liverpool game now, but hopefully we have a performance to cheer him up.
Bloody hell! I hope he’s okay.
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Think SJM needs another sesh in Dublin, by the looks of it.
£10 pints to soothe the soul.
Or maybe he's just come back off one.
I hope, whichever it is, that our SjM is in full captain mode on Thursday and I note his goal was disallowed, today, which hopefully will spur him on to victory!!!!
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BBC News at Ten, sports section - "Spurs chances of top 4 are more or less over after defeat at Liverpool " .
Wankers . Why not have a headline of "Aston Villa are more or less guaranteed champions league football for the first time in 41 years "
Because we still have to get a couple of points and we don’t have a manager who calls everybody, ‘Mate’.
Bright side:
Could be an opportunity for Richard Parker; ‘Maaaate!’
Geographical association for SUE. Unfortunately, not until next season.
Politics, huh.
Aston Villa lost at Brighton. That's all they said about us. It's a BBC Spurs thing though they are intertwined.
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I agree my silly comment about physical fitness earlier was crap.
But mental tiredness? Really?
I think we’ve had a brilliant exciting season so far. The best in many years. It’s fantastic!
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BBC News at Ten, sports section - "Spurs chances of top 4 are more or less over after defeat at Liverpool " .
Wankers . Why not have a headline of "Aston Villa are more or less guaranteed champions league football for the first time in 41 years "
Because we still have to get a couple of points and we don’t have a manager who calls everybody, ‘Mate’.
Bright side:
Could be an opportunity for Richard Parker; ‘Maaaate!’
Geographical association for SUE. Unfortunately, not until next season.
Politics, huh.
Aston Villa lost at Brighton. That's all they said about us. It's a BBC Spurs thing though they are intertwined.
You know? Yes.
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I agree my silly comment about physical fitness earlier was crap.
But mental tiredness? Really?
I think we’ve had a brilliant exciting season so far. The best in many years. It’s fantastic!
It is!
We’ve just got to get through the next 3 or 4 matches.
I’m hoping that Unai’s elite team can provide the ice packs, strapping, appropriate menu, positive thinking and targeted training that our lads really need, to navigate the final PL fixtures and take them through into the Europa Conference 🏆 Final. UTV!
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
Course we will.
I can't see it in the league unfortunately. Europe might be different, as I don't think the opposition will be as strong, but I think that the last few games point to us being pretty much spent and almost completely out of options.
That's not being negative, as I think there are legitimate reasons why we are stumbling a bit at the moment, but I think the last two league games will be tough going with how we are currently playing.
A point today would have been OK as it would have meant an 8 point gap and that Spurs would have had to.beat Manchester City as well as the other two. I just have a nagging feeling that we've left the door slightly ajar and although I think it's still unlikely, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they could hammer Burnley and Sheff Utd (taking away our superior goal difference) and a point against Man City might then be enough for them if we lose both games.
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The malaise is across the team, Cash when he came on was the only outfielder that seemed up for it. Diabe and Bailey gave us nothing, Bailey is obviously carrying an injury. That was a relegation performance from a side that has performed brilliantly for most of the season. Who else to bring in? think Tim will be sold in the summer, we really are scraping the barrel.
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
Course we will.
I can't see it in the league unfortunately. Europe might be different, as I don't think the opposition will be as strong, but I think that the last few games point to us being pretty much spent and almost completely out of options.
That's not being negative, as I think there are legitimate reasons why we are stumbling a bit at the moment, but I think the last two league games will be tough going with how we are currently playing.
A point today would have been OK as it would have meant an 8 point gap and that Spurs would have had to.beat Manchester City as well as the other two. I just have a nagging feeling that we've left the door slightly ajar and although I think it's still unlikely, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they could hammer Burnley and Sheff Utd (taking away our superior goal difference) and a point against Man City might then be enough for them if we lose both games.
That's very much a worse case scenario. I can see us picking up at least one point and Spurs will not beat Man City. The semi final is on a knife edge and as I don't see us keeping a clean sheet we may need to score four to go through. That's a really tall order and will hinge on the fitness of Martinez, Tielemans and Rogers. Unai could yet pull a rabbit out of the hat on that one too. Buckle up it's going to be a bumpy road.
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Think SJM needs another sesh in Dublin, by the looks of it.
£10 pints to soothe the soul.
Or maybe he's just come back off one.
When things go wrong and will not come right,
Though you do the best you can,
When life looks black as the hour of night –
A pint of plain is your only man.
When money’s tight and hard to get
And your horse has also ran,
When all you have is a heap of debt –
A pint of plain is your only man.
When health is bad and your heart feels strange,
And your face is pale and wan,
When doctors say you need a change,
A pint of plain is your only man.
When food is scarce and your larder bare
And no rashers grease your pan,
When hunger grows as your meals are rare –
A pint of plain is your only man.
In time of trouble and lousey strife,
You have still got a darlint plan
You still can turn to a brighter life –
A pint of plain is your only man.
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I think opposition coaches had worked us out. Doing something about it was a different matter when we were operating at full bore. Now our performance levels have dropped through tiredness or whatever we are more vulnerable.
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It looks like Flann O'Brien has joined the chat.
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I think opposition coaches had worked us out. Doing something about it was a different matter when we were operating at full bore. Now our performance levels have dropped through tiredness or whatever we are more vulnerable.
Its not even that as its hard for any team whwn we play well. The problem is when we play bad we play really bad. Fatigue and not enough use of soem of the youngsters ans fringe players is whats costing us
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It was a great away day apart from the result.
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It was a great away day apart from the result.
I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve said that over the years.
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Only just skimmed over this chat, but some of you need to put a bit of context into the last few results....
We've played 53 competitive games, travelling all across Europe in the process, with a threadbare squad. The fact that we're 7 points clear of Spurs, who have played around 15 games LESS than us, is nothing but a minor miracle. I saw that someone had tagged Matty Cash in a rant on Twitter, and then he blocked him. This is NOT what the squad need right now. Without Matty, we wouldn't even be going to Athens on Thursday.
What Unai and that team need right now is our undying support, not criticism or bickering. We're so close. You could see that the team were trying yesterday, there was just nothing left in the tank.
Hopefully a couple of days of rest, then go for broke against Olympiacos on Thursday (*hopefully with Martinez and a fresh Youri Tielemans back) and then we'll see how we go. 4th is safe - No way are Spurs getting anything out of a title chasing Man City side.
UTV
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Agree with a lot of the comments. We seem to be running on empty and luckily, Spurs are struggling too. Rogers going off just sums up our luck with injuries as well. As poor as yesterday was though, it's difficult to be too critical. We just need to get behind them and see them over the line. It's been long old season.
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Only just skimmed over this chat, but some of you need to put a bit of context into the last few results....
We've played 53 competitive games, travelling all across Europe in the process, with a threadbare squad. The fact that we're 7 points clear of Spurs, who have played around 15 games LESS than us, is nothing but a minor miracle. I saw that someone had tagged Matty Cash in a rant on Twitter, and then he blocked him. This is NOT what the squad need right now. Without Matty, we wouldn't even be going to Athens on Thursday.
What Unai and that team need right now is our undying support, not criticism or bickering. We're so close. You could see that the team were trying yesterday, there was just nothing left in the tank.
Hopefully a couple of days of rest, then go for broke against Olympiacos on Thursday (*hopefully with Martinez and a fresh Youri Tielemans back) and then we'll see how we go. 4th is safe - No way are Spurs getting anything out of a title chasing Man City side.
UTV
Agree, a bit of perspective needed, it’s been an incredible season against the odds.
The bloke who did that to Cash is a twat.
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That Cash tweet looked suspiciously like a bot to me, most of the other tweets were just retweets of completely random stuff. Probably just designed to get clicks.
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That Cash tweet looked suspiciously like a bot to me, most of the other tweets were just retweets of completely random stuff. Probably just designed to get clicks.
Don’t do Twitter mate so no idea.
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We won’t win another game this season. Dreadful all over the place.
Course we will.
I can't see it in the league unfortunately. Europe might be different, as I don't think the opposition will be as strong, but I think that the last few games point to us being pretty much spent and almost completely out of options.
That's not being negative, as I think there are legitimate reasons why we are stumbling a bit at the moment, but I think the last two league games will be tough going with how we are currently playing.
A point today would have been OK as it would have meant an 8 point gap and that Spurs would have had to.beat Manchester City as well as the other two. I just have a nagging feeling that we've left the door slightly ajar and although I think it's still unlikely, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they could hammer Burnley and Sheff Utd (taking away our superior goal difference) and a point against Man City might then be enough for them if we lose both games.
That's very much a worse case scenario. I can see us picking up at least one point and Spurs will not beat Man City. The semi final is on a knife edge and as I don't see us keeping a clean sheet we may need to score four to go through. That's a really tall order and will hinge on the fitness of Martinez, Tielemans and Rogers. Unai could yet pull a rabbit out of the hat on that one too. Buckle up it's going to be a bumpy road.
I agree about it being a worst case scenario and still think it is still pretty unlikely, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that we could be caught if we lose both remaining games.
Spurs would need a draw with Man City and to hammer both Burnley and Sheff Utd to catch us and overturn the goal difference
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Just watched MOTD2. Can't believe that (probably for the first time in my life) I'm in agreement with Danny Murphy; our claim for a penalty was stronger than theirs. Having said that, we did not do enough for get anything from that game and we are looking shattered. Delighted that Olsen played so well, which will boost his confidence. On to Athens. Meanwhile, that Adingra looked some player,
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Spurs don't really need to absolutely hammer anybody if we lose both our remaining games. Say we lose 3-0 to Liverpool and 1-0 to Palace, then 1-1 with Man City, 3-0 v Sheffield United and 2-0 v Burnley would do them. They'd have the same goal diffeerence but would have scored more goals.
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Spurs don't really need to absolutely hammer anybody if we lose both our remaining games. Say we lose 3-0 to Liverpool and 1-0 to Palace, then 1-1 with Man City, 3-0 v Sheffield United and 2-0 v Burnley would do them. They'd have the same goal diffeerence but would have scored more goals.
And thats why i felt it was so vital we got a point yesterday. It could cost us dearly. Saying that spurs still need to do all of that whoch will be incredibly hard when they low on confidence
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I saw a lot of tired players out there today, Olsen was man of the match for us.
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I thought Unai's Sky interview was really sensible. No excuses at all and just plain and simple explanation as to what happened. This guy is brilliant. I hope we are able to bring in the players he wants in the summer. Top class man, top class Coach.
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There are clubs that have had more injuries than us but when you are playing in Europe the fit players have no respite. Newcastle and West Ham have struggled to cope with the added games, I would rather finish fourth simply because it will be a big plus for attracting better players.
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Can anyone really see Man C not winning at Spurs and effectively giving up the title to Arsenal?
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Can anyone really see Man C not winning at Spurs and effectively giving up the title to Arsenal?
You think Spurs *players* would rather not qualify for the Champions League so that Arsenal don't win the title? Bizarre.
Spurs have beaten Man City at home in the league for the last 4 years.
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I can’t see that either Richard. I think we’re ok.
I just really want one more great league performance. It would be great for the home or travelling fans and for the team, boss and coaching staff.
I suppose we may still get that in the final after the league has finished.
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Can anyone really see Man C not winning at Spurs and effectively giving up the title to Arsenal?
You think Spurs *players* would rather not qualify for the Champions League so that Arsenal don't win the title? Bizarre.
Spurs have beaten Man City at home in the league for the last 4 years.
Spurs are however hopelessly out of steam and luck very much like how our end of season form is. Man City are in very good form and generally finish the season well.
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Spurs are however hopelessly out of steam and luck very much like how our end of season form is. Man City are in very good form and generally finish the season well.
I'm not sure that's true, ie the running out of steam bit. They were the best team against Arsenal and had the majority of possession against Liverpool yesterday, they just haven't been defending very well, but remain dangerous up front. They were poor against Chelsea, but that looked mainly because Chelsea are in great form. You'd certainly have Man City as favourites for the result there, but would you honestly be *that* surprised if Spurs somehow manage to beat them?
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Can anyone really see Man C not winning at Spurs and effectively giving up the title to Arsenal?
You think Spurs *players* would rather not qualify for the Champions League so that Arsenal don't win the title? Bizarre.
Spurs have beaten Man City at home in the league for the last 4 years.
You've misread my post. If Man City draw at Spurs it let's in Arsenal for the title. They will win I'm sure.
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[You'd certainly have Man City as favourites for the result there, but would you honestly be *that* surprised if Spurs somehow manage to beat them?
Yes, very, very surprised.
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[You'd certainly have Man City as favourites for the result there, but would you honestly be *that* surprised if Spurs somehow manage to beat them?
Yes, very, very surprised.
I’d be amazed. I dont think they will get more than 4 points from their remaining 3 games. Ange ball isn’t suited to playing City - they’ll get trounced
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In the context of this season I'd be very surprised if City didn't absolutely whack them. In the context of Villa I'd be genuinely shocked if Spurs didn't get at least a draw.
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In the context of this season I'd be very surprised if City didn't absolutely whack them. In the context of Villa I'd be genuinely shocked if Spurs didn't get at least a draw.
Schrödinger’s result.
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[You'd certainly have Man City as favourites for the result there, but would you honestly be *that* surprised if Spurs somehow manage to beat them?
Yes, very, very surprised.
One of my mates who is a Spurs fan says that they are likely to beat ManC but then get dumped on by Sheff Utd...
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Spurs got Burnley next week which is a 3 o'clock game, while forest play at 5.30 kick off,so if I am right Burnley have to win to avoid relegation
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[You'd certainly have Man City as favourites for the result there, but would you honestly be *that* surprised if Spurs somehow manage to beat them?
Yes, very, very surprised.
I’d be amazed. I dont think they will get more than 4 points from their remaining 3 games. Ange ball isn’t suited to playing City - they’ll get trounced
What was the score when they played at Man City?
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Spurs got Burnley next week which is a 3 o'clock game, while forest play at 5.30 kick off,so if I am right Burnley have to win to avoid relegation
Yes.
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Football has a habit of kicking you in the teeth, I am taking nothing for granted with the Tottenham vs Man City game. It's in our own hands, I'd love us to do it for ourselves and not rely on Manchester Cheaty.
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Spurs don't really need to absolutely hammer anybody if we lose both our remaining games. Say we lose 3-0 to Liverpool and 1-0 to Palace, then 1-1 with Man City, 3-0 v Sheffield United and 2-0 v Burnley would do them. They'd have the same goal diffeerence but would have scored more goals.
And thats why i felt it was so vital we got a point yesterday. It could cost us dearly. Saying that spurs still need to do all of that whoch will be incredibly hard when they low on confidence
Yep, a point yesterday would have meant that they would have had to beat Man City rather than draw with them.
The point against Chelsea looks crucial now.
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Burnley drew away recently at Man Utd and Chelsea but apparently will get twatted by Spurs. Meanwhile a shit Spurs side are apparently a good bet to get a result against a Man City side going for the title.
It's a bank holiday, some folks need to go and do something fun rather than worrying endlessly about Spurs.
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Spurs are however hopelessly out of steam and luck very much like how our end of season form is. Man City are in very good form and generally finish the season well.
I'm not sure that's true, ie the running out of steam bit. They were the best team against Arsenal and had the majority of possession against Liverpool yesterday, they just haven't been defending very well, but remain dangerous up front. They were poor against Chelsea, but that looked mainly because Chelsea are in great form. You'd certainly have Man City as favourites for the result there, but would you honestly be *that* surprised if Spurs somehow manage to beat them?
If Spurs play like they did yesterday against Man City they will be hammered.
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It will be a very strange atmosphere at their ground that night as scanning through one of their forums and maybe don't want "Woolwich" to get help from them at any cost to win the league so many aren't that bothered if they lose to Man. City.
That can sometimes transmit to the players aswell if those in the stands aren't bothered by the result as it just gives players another excuse not to win.
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Man City will twat Spurs into next week and win the league in the process. We already have enough points, even if we don't get any from our remaining two, which we will.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the next set of football results on Saturday. In particular, Fulham vs Citeh and Tottingham vs Burnleh. The outcome of these fixtures will give us a clearer view of what is needed.
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I hope Fulham take a point off abucity so that thy are fully focussed against Tottenham.
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Spurs are however hopelessly out of steam and luck very much like how our end of season form is. Man City are in very good form and generally finish the season well.
I'm not sure that's true, ie the running out of steam bit. They were the best team against Arsenal and had the majority of possession against Liverpool yesterday, they just haven't been defending very well, but remain dangerous up front. They were poor against Chelsea, but that looked mainly because Chelsea are in great form. You'd certainly have Man City as favourites for the result there, but would you honestly be *that* surprised if Spurs somehow manage to beat them?
If Spurs play like they did yesterday against Man City they will be hammered.
Exactly this. Spurs only looked “good” when Liverpool switched off at 4-0. I also think Burnley will get some kind of result against them
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Looks like Man City have turned beast mode back on for the android. He scored 4 v wolves. They will not drop a point for the rest of the season. Put your savings on it.
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I hope Fulham take a point off abucity so that thy are fully focussed against Tottenham.
That's not how that works. If they draw, then that hands the momentum and possibly the title to Arsenal who have the better goal difference.
If we want help from City, we want them to beat Fulham and Tottenham. Better scenario would be for us to get 2 or more points from the last two games.
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Only really catching up on the game now after spending most of yesterday and today at hospital (I've got a wedge fracture to my collarbone which needs surgery) so I've only seen brief highlights but 2 things:
Why didn't Rogers get a pen?
Did they check for the Brighton players following in for their pen? The one guy looked very close.
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Only really catching up on the game now after spending most of yesterday and today at hospital (I've got a wedge fracture to my collarbone which needs surgery) so I've only seen brief highlights but 2 things:
Why didn't Rogers get a pen?
Did they check for the Brighton players following in for their pen? The one guy looked very close.
If the taker scores, even on a rebound, they don't bother with calling it back for encroachment. If someone else had scored or a defender clears, they then review the for it.
As for Rogers, refs call which meant there wasn't enough for VAR to overturn it. When they released the audio for the infamous Forest calls the other, Webb mentioned that the "game" had apparently asked for not all the contact in the box to be penalty calls, and obviously VAR needs to be faster and less screen calls. The trouble is then it definitely goes back to the refs call and VAR 99% of the time follows the refs call. (Although he did mention the last one he would have "hoped" it would have been a screen review.)
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Only really catching up on the game now after spending most of yesterday and today at hospital (I've got a wedge fracture to my collarbone which needs surgery)
What do the doctors think? Speedy recovery!
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Only really catching up on the game now after spending most of yesterday and today at hospital (I've got a wedge fracture to my collarbone which needs surgery)
What do the doctors think? Speedy recovery!
probably needs a rod and pins to fix so pretty nasty, going back at the nd of the week once the swelling is gone. Hurt like fuck when I did it but mostly just uncomfortable now. thankfully I've dodged any nerve or neck damage which they were worried about.
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“To be honest, this was not Villa today,” Roberto De Zerbi said a
“I can understand it because they are competing in the Conference League and have a lot of injuries. And because of that, they couldn't be the Aston Villa of usual.”
I think that sums the unexpected loss
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Only really catching up on the game now after spending most of yesterday and today at hospital (I've got a wedge fracture to my collarbone which needs surgery)
What do the doctors think? Speedy recovery!
probably needs a rod and pins to fix so pretty nasty, going back at the nd of the week once the swelling is gone. Hurt like fuck when I did it but mostly just uncomfortable now. thankfully I've dodged any nerve or neck damage which they were worried about.
Ouch, sorry to hear that. Hope it heals quick.
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Why are so many people giving up after a bad week? We definitely have one last push in us, these players have not let anyone down this season and even if we fall at this hurdle it doesn't taint an incredible step we've made forwards this year. I just have a feeling we've got another blockbuster in us.
Dare I say 4-1. Watkins with a brace.
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Why are so many people giving up after a bad week? We definitely have one last push in us, these players have not let anyone down this season and even if we fall at this hurdle it doesn't taint an incredible step we've made forwards this year. I just have a feeling we've got another blockbuster in us.
Dare I say 4-1. Watkins with a brace.
Nah mate the game’s over. We lost 1-0.
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;D
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There was an air of resignation in the away end yesterday, with little blaming of players just a sense of frustration that they were tired after Thursday. The big question for me is whether the players are temporarily knackered following a bad result in a tough game against Olympiacos or whether they are running on empty after 50 games.
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There was an air of resignation in the away end yesterday, with little blaming of players just a sense of frustration that they were tired after Thursday. The big question for me is whether the players are temporarily knackered following a bad result in a tough game against Olympiacos or whether they are running on empty after 50 games.
I have no doubt fatigue is playing a part, but I'm also confident Unai can lift the players for three more games (maybe 4, if we're very lucky). We haven't lost back-to-back league games all season, and I don't think we're going to start now.
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If we’re suffering from fatigue and tiredness it’s not going to be any better on Thursday flying over there and playing another 90+ minutes
I was quite hopeful after last week’s game against Olympiacos that we could still get to the final but that hope has faded now after yesterday’s performance,
players were trying their best, but there was no zip to our play, they looked very lethargic and tired too shots the whole game is abysmal and does not fill me with any confidence for Thursday.