Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2024, 02:41:23 PM
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1752339763527307584?s=46
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 30, 2024, 02:45:07 PM
Post by: Monty on January 30, 2024, 02:47:39 PM
Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2024, 02:49:07 PM
Fun, absolutely no idea how good he is, I'm hoping very.
He has potential, I think that's the key.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 02:49:26 PM
Anything around £8M-£10M will be reasonable.
His height will be welcome. I think he is about 6'3".
His pace & direct running will offer cover & competition for Ramsey.
If Emery sees him being able to cover Watkins, then that could be an interesting project.
I hope that he comes in like a hurricane, makes me eat my words & becomes the player that everyone thought he could be at the age of 17-18 years old.
The height of him, Kellyman & Zaniolo could be interesting late in a game too, if we are chasing...
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 02:55:25 PM
I'm very sceptical, but people are paid a lot of money to make these decisions and I wish him all the very best.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 02:58:04 PM
Post by: villadelph on January 30, 2024, 03:01:40 PM
Hopefully he can take up the left hand side or the hole behind Watkins that Diaby can't seem to figure out.
Post by: Paul.S on January 30, 2024, 03:02:41 PM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 30, 2024, 03:03:13 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2024, 03:03:56 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2024, 03:05:48 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on January 30, 2024, 03:11:25 PM
I'm Unai we trust!
Post by: Villafirst on January 30, 2024, 03:17:55 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2024, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2024, 03:19:43 PM
Good news. Obviously he has a lot to learn, but at 21 and 6'4" he should prove a great acquisition. I just hope our fans give him time to settle into the Premier League. Another plus, he's a local lad born in Halesowen, so he'll be well familiar with the area.
Plus Mark Harrison will have had him at West Brom as a kid.
Post by: Matt C on January 30, 2024, 03:20:37 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2024, 03:25:45 PM
Post by: MalcolmP on January 30, 2024, 03:25:55 PM
If this ends up happening, I think it all depends on how much he is costing as to whether I think this is a good deal or not.Bought in summer for £1m sold to us for £10m gone up in value 10 fold in 6 months, what has he done to achieve that? This time last week I'd never heard him
Anything around £8M-£10M will be reasonable.
His height will be welcome. I think he is about 6'3".
His pace & direct running will offer cover & competition for Ramsey.
If Emery sees him being able to cover Watkins, then that could be an interesting project.
I hope that he comes in like a hurricane, makes me eat my words & becomes the player that everyone thought he could be at the age of 17-18 years old.
The height of him, Kellyman & Zaniolo could be interesting late in a game too, if we are chasing...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2024, 03:26:23 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 03:27:52 PM
If this ends up happening, I think it all depends on how much he is costing as to whether I think this is a good deal or not.Bought in summer for £1m sold to us for £10m gone up in value 10 fold in 6 months, what has he done to achieve that? This time last week I'd never heard him
Anything around £8M-£10M will be reasonable.
His height will be welcome. I think he is about 6'3".
His pace & direct running will offer cover & competition for Ramsey.
If Emery sees him being able to cover Watkins, then that could be an interesting project.
I hope that he comes in like a hurricane, makes me eat my words & becomes the player that everyone thought he could be at the age of 17-18 years old.
The height of him, Kellyman & Zaniolo could be interesting late in a game too, if we are chasing...
We are the new Chelsea.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 03:28:55 PM
Awful signing, way overpriced and not good enough.
Definitely has the potential to be a future Ballon d'Or winner, cracking bit of business.
(https://i.ibb.co/6FCrrZK/image.png) (https://ibb.co/6FCrrZK)
Post by: PeterWithe on January 30, 2024, 03:29:11 PM
£10m for any footballer is madness, let alone a reserve but that's the market we've all bought into.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 03:32:53 PM
https://theathletic.com/5238109/2024/01/30/morgan-rogers-aston-villa-transfer-2/ (https://theathletic.com/5238109/2024/01/30/morgan-rogers-aston-villa-transfer-2/)
The Athletic reporting it's £8m up front (Some tat, two-bit northern club get 25%), plus £7m in add-ons.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 30, 2024, 03:34:42 PM
If we end up paying the extra £7M, then he will have been a success.
If these numbers are accurate, then fair play.
Thats a good deal & congrats must go to the negotiation team (or whatever title they have).
If this ends up happening, I think it all depends on how much he is costing as to whether I think this is a good deal or not.Bought in summer for £1m sold to us for £10m gone up in value 10 fold in 6 months, what has he done to achieve that? This time last week I'd never heard him
Anything around £8M-£10M will be reasonable.
His height will be welcome. I think he is about 6'3".
His pace & direct running will offer cover & competition for Ramsey.
If Emery sees him being able to cover Watkins, then that could be an interesting project.
I hope that he comes in like a hurricane, makes me eat my words & becomes the player that everyone thought he could be at the age of 17-18 years old.
The height of him, Kellyman & Zaniolo could be interesting late in a game too, if we are chasing...
I watched him a few times when he was out on loan with Brennan Rogers. I cant remember the club though. Lincoln maybe? Shrewsbury? I cant be arsed to check...
He looked decent enough to me & thought that if he can kick on, with that physicality to go with the reasonably decent pace & a good touch, that he could be a decent player in a few years.
He never massively kicked on from those days, in my humble opinion.
Although his League Cup numbers are decent...
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 30, 2024, 03:34:52 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2024, 03:35:08 PM
Aston Villa reach agreement with Middlesbrough to sign Morgan Rogers. £8m + £7m add-ons. 25% sell-on to Man City. 21yo attacking midfielder to travel today & take medical tomorrow. 5.5yr deal (2029)
I wonder if some of the delay was Boro trying to pass on the sell on clause so that they got the full fee rather than Man City taking a cut?
Post by: Billy Walker on January 30, 2024, 03:36:59 PM
Post by: AV84 on January 30, 2024, 03:37:18 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 03:42:30 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2024, 03:45:38 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 03:50:18 PM
A rum signing?
I can see him becoming Captain.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 30, 2024, 03:50:39 PM
In Emery and Emery staff we trust.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2024, 03:51:33 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 30, 2024, 03:52:56 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on January 30, 2024, 03:56:22 PM
David Ornsein
Aston Villa reach agreement with Middlesbrough to sign Morgan Rogers. £8m + £7m add-ons. 25% sell-on to Man City. 21yo attacking midfielder to travel today & take medical tomorrow. 5.5yr deal (2029)
I wonder if some of the delay was Boro trying to pass on the sell on clause so that they got the full fee rather than Man City taking a cut?
John Percy of The Telegraph has a different view.
https://x.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1752344930599481580?t=r8mm2190Kmr_-gYMMG-6Gg&s=08
Although they end up at the same overall figure.
I reckon the delay in agreeing a deal was all down to how it was going to be "packaged" in terms of the up front sum, payment date(s) for the remainder, and the add-ons.
Post by: ROBBO on January 30, 2024, 04:00:04 PM
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2024, 04:00:58 PM
A rum signing?
pablo_picasso above says that he did quite well at Lincoln, playing under Michael Appleton.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 30, 2024, 04:02:26 PM
Good news. Obviously he has a lot to learn, but at 21 and 6'4" he should prove a great acquisition. I just hope our fans give him time to settle into the Premier League. Another plus, he's a local lad born in Halesowen, so he'll be well familiar with the area.
Plus Mark Harrison will have had him at West Brom as a kid.
It might be cheaper for us just to buy West Brom.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 30, 2024, 04:07:24 PM
£15m total cost = £2.73m annual amortisation charge
Almost equals what we got for Finn Azaz, so the two deals pretty well balance out from an FFP perspective.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2024, 04:17:39 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2024, 04:19:05 PM
Good news. Obviously he has a lot to learn, but at 21 and 6'4" he should prove a great acquisition. I just hope our fans give him time to settle into the Premier League. Another plus, he's a local lad born in Halesowen, so he'll be well familiar with the area.
Plus Mark Harrison will have had him at West Brom as a kid.
It might be cheaper for us just to buy West Brom.
It would but then you're stuck with the locals
Post by: Keeno on January 30, 2024, 04:20:57 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on January 30, 2024, 04:21:50 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 30, 2024, 04:22:27 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2024, 04:22:50 PM
Post by: Ian. on January 30, 2024, 04:26:20 PM
Post by: cdward on January 30, 2024, 04:41:22 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 30, 2024, 04:48:12 PM
I have no idea if he's any good, or more importantly potentially any good. In Emery I trust though, if he wants him I'm very happy we have got our man. With Duran out for two months he could be fast tracked and very important in the coming weeks.
Duran is out for 2 months?
Post by: lovejoy on January 30, 2024, 05:07:47 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2024, 05:07:50 PM
OK.Interesting that we sold JPB, Archer and Ramsey - to bring in this chap - hopefully he's going to be good.
I'm very sceptical, but people are paid a lot of money to make these decisions and I wish him all the very best.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2024, 05:10:55 PM
Thats photo makes him look like he's got bad skin, thats a worry.why does that make you worry?
Post by: lovejoy on January 30, 2024, 05:24:17 PM
Thats photo makes him look like he's got bad skin, thats a worry.why does that make you worry?
Just a joke, people are looking at the negatives.
Post by: Pete3206 on January 30, 2024, 05:26:26 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 30, 2024, 05:31:23 PM
I have no idea if he's any good, or more importantly potentially any good. In Emery I trust though, if he wants him I'm very happy we have got our man. With Duran out for two months he could be fast tracked and very important in the coming weeks.
Duran is out for 2 months?
Yes.
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2024, 05:31:46 PM
sozThats photo makes him look like he's got bad skin, thats a worry.why does that make you worry?
Just a joke, people are looking at the negatives.
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2024, 05:32:16 PM
Thats photo makes him look like he's got bad skin, thats a worry.why does that make you worry?
Just a joke, people are looking at the negatives.
Looking at the negatives of a photo is definitely going to make someone's skin look funny.
Post by: DB on January 30, 2024, 05:38:11 PM
Apparently this is the first English player that UE has ever signed.
So Rogers has come in to Buck that trend? Ahem.
Post by: Ger Regan on January 30, 2024, 05:38:22 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 30, 2024, 05:46:06 PM
£8m up front is feck all if he fulfills his potential.You say speaking like a car dealer😂
Post by: AV84 on January 30, 2024, 05:46:18 PM
Thats photo makes him look like he's got bad skin, thats a worry.why does that make you worry?
Just a joke, people are looking at the negatives.
We do have a reputation to uphold as the best looking team in the league.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 06:27:40 PM
A Villa fan and very promising player.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 06:30:02 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 30, 2024, 06:31:19 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 06:31:47 PM
Post by: Rigadon on January 30, 2024, 06:34:48 PM
The stuff about 'in Unai we trust' and 'if he's good enough for Unai...' Do people really think the person most responsible for this transfer is Unai Emery?!
You’d have thought he would most certainly been asked.
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2024, 06:35:03 PM
Emery sees something in him so thats me sold.
Agreed, between Emery and the scouts they are clearly seeing something in Rogers that they didn't maybe see in Archer, Philogene or Aaron Ramsey. What they have seen isn't backed up by stats really or views from Boro fans. On the face of it Boro have played us well here and likely got a better deal than what's he's worth. It makes no sense why we let Azaz go to Boro a few weeks before this deal. I think we likely have paid a penalty for that by a few million.
What we are getting is a physical unit capable of playing across the front line with a tidy first touch. The worry for me is that he doesn't seem particularly quick or mobile and I don't really see him getting regular minutes straight away. If Watkins get injured then maybe but otherwise he's up against Diaby, Zaniolo and Bailey for minutes. Maybe in time he could complete with JJ for a spot on left but from my very limited viewings of him that's going to be a stretch this season.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2024, 06:36:08 PM
The stuff about 'in Unai we trust' and 'if he's good enough for Unai...' Do people really think the person most responsible for this transfer is Unai Emery?!
Nah! We were first linked with Rogers two years ago.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 06:36:23 PM
The stuff about 'in Unai we trust' and 'if he's good enough for Unai...' Do people really think the person most responsible for this transfer is Unai Emery?!
You’d have thought he would most certainly been asked.
I'd imagine he was.
Post by: john e on January 30, 2024, 06:40:20 PM
The stuff about 'in Unai we trust' and 'if he's good enough for Unai...' Do people really think the person most responsible for this transfer is Unai Emery?!
You’d have thought he would most certainly been asked.
I'd imagine he was.
Unless they went behind his back, and did it secretly
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 06:40:56 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2024, 06:43:35 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on January 30, 2024, 06:47:42 PM
What I know about him from the little I've seen is that he's better than Duran but hasn't the power of shot.
In Emery and Emery staff we trust.
Looks a different type of player from the little I’ve seen. In the clips I’ve seen he’s either in the ‘number 10’ position or in wider areas.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2024, 06:50:38 PM
What we are getting is a physical unit capable of playing across the front line with a tidy first touch. The worry for me is that he doesn't seem particularly quick or mobile and I don't really see him getting regular minutes straight away. If Watkins get injured then maybe but otherwise he's up against Diaby, Zaniolo and Bailey for minutes. Maybe in time he could complete with JJ for a spot on left but from my very limited viewings of him that's going to be a stretch this season.
We've been linked with a lot of left wingers in the last 12 months so it shouldn't come as any real surprise. I think both Diaby and Leon are safe on the right side, Watkins in the middle. My guess is at some point, probably next season, we'll start seeing JJ playing more in the middle, the Lampard role and scoring for fun.
Post by: algy on January 30, 2024, 06:51:13 PM
Hmmm, they are foreign.Not just foreign - Spanish. They've got history of acting behind people's backs - look no further than King Phillip II's catholic counter-reformation of the 16th century, ignoring will of the Habsburg Dutch.
Clearly a bunch of wrong 'uns and ne'er do wells.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 30, 2024, 06:52:08 PM
Hmmm, they are foreign.Not just foreign - Spanish. They've got history of acting behind people's backs - look no further than King Phillip II's catholic counter-reformation of the 16th century, ignoring will of the Habsburg Dutch.
Clearly a bunch of wrong 'uns and ne'er do wells.
Case closed for me.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2024, 06:54:56 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2024, 06:57:52 PM
Hmmm, they are foreign.
Not just foreign - Spanish. They've got history of acting behind people's backs - look no further than King Phillip II's catholic counter-reformation of the 16th century, ignoring will of the Habsburg Dutch.
Clearly a bunch of wrong 'uns and ne'er do wells.
Just look at the way they smuggled suspected terrorist Fr. John Gerard out of the country, right from under the nose of Robert Cecil.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2024, 06:58:34 PM
Hmmm, they are foreign.Not just foreign - Spanish. They've got history of acting behind people's backs - look no further than King Phillip II's catholic counter-reformation of the 16th century, ignoring will of the Habsburg Dutch.
Clearly a bunch of wrong 'uns and ne'er do wells.
Absolutely! There's a reason the locals here have been saying for centuries, "De Espanha nem bom vento nem bom casamento.”
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2024, 06:59:42 PM
Never mind what they did to Atahualpa, the bastards.
But then, if they hadn't conquered South America you wouldn't have a continent full of Latin Americans so...
Post by: VillaTim on January 30, 2024, 07:02:05 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2024, 07:04:12 PM
Absolutely! There's a reason the locals here are have been saying for centuries, "De Espanha nem bom vento nem bom casamento.”
Fortunately there's no such saying about Inglaterra, thanks to the Treaty of Windsor,
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2024, 07:08:08 PM
Never mind what they did to Atahualpa, the bastards.
But then, if they hadn't conquered South America you wouldn't have a continent full of Latin Americans so...
They didn't conquer South America at least not most of it. They got their arse handed to them so many times they gave up. It was through a peaceful process they managed to stay there and breed.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 07:14:28 PM
"I’ve always prided myself on the number of positions I can play; I’ve done that since I was young. I love the game and I know what each position entails. I have the football intelligence to know what’s asked and to try to carry it out for the team. Some positions suit more than others, of course, but I’m more than happy to play anywhere — as long as I’m on the pitch. That’s the most important thing and always has been.”
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 07:15:04 PM
I'm trying my hardest to get excited about this signing.Let's hope for a golden age with a Rogers and Astaire type partnership.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 07:16:33 PM
He's ready to play Emery -ball.What I know about him from the little I've seen is that he's better than Duran but hasn't the power of shot.
In Emery and Emery staff we trust.
Looks a different type of player from the little I’ve seen. In the clips I’ve seen he’s either in the ‘number 10’ position or in wider areas.
More so than Duran
"When I moved to Man City, it’s the most structured team in the league, in the world. I found it hard to get that balance right. They signed me because of my abilities, obviously, but at the same time there’s a structure there and the structure works. I found it difficult to put the two together.
“I was being a mannequin, just doing what they said, which isn’t what they want. They do tell you, but they want you to put your own capabilities on it. I struggled, to be honest.
“I had to go away and learn, how to take instructions from a coach and impose myself within that. It’s still a work in progress but I feel I’m getting better at it. I can still do a job for the team but be myself, express myself. Ultimately, that’s what they want.
“I’d been a winger at West Brom, but I had more freedom to do what I wanted. At City, it helped me learn, but it took me back a bit. It definitely made me a better person, having to learn that.”
Post by: VillaTim on January 30, 2024, 07:20:37 PM
Hopefully not Rogers and Dusty Bin, 3-2-1I'm trying my hardest to get excited about this signing.Let's hope for a golden age with a Rogers and Astaire type partnership.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 30, 2024, 07:23:17 PM
He's ready to play Emery -ball.What I know about him from the little I've seen is that he's better than Duran but hasn't the power of shot.
In Emery and Emery staff we trust.
Looks a different type of player from the little I’ve seen. In the clips I’ve seen he’s either in the ‘number 10’ position or in wider areas.
More so than Duran
"When I moved to Man City, it’s the most structured team in the league, in the world. I found it hard to get that balance right. They signed me because of my abilities, obviously, but at the same time there’s a structure there and the structure works. I found it difficult to put the two together.
“I was being a mannequin, just doing what they said, which isn’t what they want. They do tell you, but they want you to put your own capabilities on it. I struggled, to be honest.
“I had to go away and learn, how to take instructions from a coach and impose myself within that. It’s still a work in progress but I feel I’m getting better at it. I can still do a job for the team but be myself, express myself. Ultimately, that’s what they want.
“I’d been a winger at West Brom, but I had more freedom to do what I wanted. At City, it helped me learn, but it took me back a bit. It definitely made me a better person, having to learn that.”
And that's why Grealish is so boring now.
Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2024, 07:31:46 PM
Good news. Obviously he has a lot to learn, but at 21 and 6'4" he should prove a great acquisition. I just hope our fans give him time to settle into the Premier League. Another plus, he's a local lad born in Halesowen, so he'll be well familiar with the area.
Plus Mark Harrison will have had him at West Brom as a kid.
It might be cheaper for us just to buy West Brom.
You can recycle carrier bags these days can't you?
Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2024, 07:37:56 PM
Emery sees something in him so thats me sold.
Agreed, between Emery and the scouts they are clearly seeing something in Rogers that they didn't maybe see in Archer, Philogene or Aaron Ramsey.
FFP
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 07:39:29 PM
Imagine it Mimi Rogers.?Hopefully not Rogers and Dusty Bin, 3-2-1I'm trying my hardest to get excited about this signing.Let's hope for a golden age with a Rogers and Astaire type partnership.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 30, 2024, 07:41:56 PM
I'm trying my hardest to get excited about this signing.
Let's hope for a golden age with a Rogers and Astaire type partnership.
Hopefully not Rogers and Dusty Bin, 3-2-1
Imagine it Mimi Rogers.?
I hope you're not suggesting that he's a selfish player.
Post by: Anthenagin on January 30, 2024, 08:08:45 PM
I reckon he's going to add plus four to his goal tally in no time.
With that height I see him as more of an aeromax.
Post by: algy on January 30, 2024, 08:52:00 PM
Welcome back, Footy :)
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 30, 2024, 11:24:11 PM
And many more Spainish people have taken interest in Villa under Emery
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2024, 12:54:44 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 31, 2024, 12:57:06 PM
Sky reporting he's at BH for his medical.We need a boost today.
Especially after the Bartons news!
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2024, 09:34:07 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 31, 2024, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 31, 2024, 09:44:33 PM
Any announcement on him being signed yet? I've been out for a while.
Latest from Fab on X is that he’s passed the medical and contract being prepared.
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2024, 09:53:48 PM
Post by: LeonW on January 31, 2024, 10:35:55 PM
Any announcement on him being signed yet? I've been out for a while.
Latest from Fab on X is that he’s passed the medical and contract being prepared.
“Contract being prepared?!?” What have they been doing for the last week. Should be ready to go!
Post by: VillaTim on January 31, 2024, 10:38:26 PM
Post by: Randy Gurner on January 31, 2024, 10:56:53 PM
Any announcement on him being signed yet? I've been out for a while.
Latest from Fab on X is that he’s passed the medical and contract being prepared.
Bingo... and then straight on loan to Plymouth Argyle
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2024, 11:10:07 PM
Does it slam shut at 11pm
No it closes gently but firmly, like a small tortoise telling you off.
Post by: DB on February 01, 2024, 09:15:32 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 01, 2024, 09:25:22 AM
According to Fabrizio Armano he has signed a contract until 2029.
in the squad for Saturday then
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2024, 09:26:47 AM
According to Fabrizio Armano he has signed a contract until 2029.
in the squad for Saturday then
He's got two days to get injured yet.
Post by: Rigadon on February 01, 2024, 09:28:41 AM
According to Fabrizio Armano he has signed a contract until 2029.
in the squad for Saturday then
He's got two days to get injured yet.
Haha, IASOTSOTP (in a stretcher on the side of the pitch).
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2024, 11:07:17 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on February 01, 2024, 11:07:56 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2024, 11:10:11 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/rwNg49H/693432-A5-B6-AD-4-BFE-B808-F51-C366273-CE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rwNg49H)
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2024, 11:10:42 AM
On Pravda now.
"Once on the books at West Bromwich Albion, he made his professional debut while at the Hawthorns before being snapped up by Manchester City."
Top trolling there!
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2024, 11:10:59 AM
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2024, 11:14:20 AM
Done and dusted now. Welsome buck!
Ha ha, one for us older types!
Welcome indeed. He’s a big chap.
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 11:15:27 AM
Big lad isn't he?christ what they been feeding him at Boro
Post by: rob_bridge on February 01, 2024, 11:19:34 AM
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2024, 11:23:40 AM
When he was at Albion he ate at Desi Pubs down Soho road.Big lad isn't he?christ what they been feeding him at Boro
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2024, 11:23:43 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 01, 2024, 11:28:59 AM
Post by: Ian. on February 01, 2024, 11:35:37 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 01, 2024, 11:51:56 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2024, 11:54:12 AM
Post by: mrfuse on February 01, 2024, 11:55:46 AM
Big lad isn't he?
Looks like he has good close control and skill for his height, A bit like Zaniolo but hopefully a lot better.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2024, 11:57:24 AM
Villa fan ?
Halesowen Town FC!
A place which records 69 crimes per 1,000 people which is 6 people less than the UK average. England is the naughtiest, Northern Ireland is the purest.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 01, 2024, 11:57:57 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFP12LJW8AAD2zw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 11:59:50 AM
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2024, 12:01:00 PM
Anyway, Guten Morgan.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 01, 2024, 12:01:23 PM
Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans, he's got some truly terrible tattoos.
Forget the tattoos, have you seen the bruise on his knee? Hopefully available before the end of the season.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 12:01:33 PM
Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans, he's got some truly terrible tattoos.Good way to remember family birthdays though.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFP12LJW8AAD2zw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Post by: jon collett on February 01, 2024, 12:02:36 PM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on February 01, 2024, 12:04:38 PM
Post by: lovejoy on February 01, 2024, 12:07:32 PM
According to Fabrizio Armano he has signed a contract until 2029.
Just before half past eight?
Post by: LeeS on February 01, 2024, 12:21:16 PM
I was at secondary school in the 80s with a lad called Morgan Rogers. He had rich parents, and in the 6th form they bought him an Opel Manta. All the girls fancied him. Git.
Anyway, Guten Morgan.
Ooh an Opel Manta, you say? All the boys wanted to be him and all the girls wanted to be with him.
Post by: Monty on February 01, 2024, 12:21:59 PM
Post by: oldtimernow on February 01, 2024, 12:23:11 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/rwNg49H/693432-A5-B6-AD-4-BFE-B808-F51-C366273-CE.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rwNg49H)
looks a unit
Post by: simon ward 50 on February 01, 2024, 12:24:54 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2024, 12:50:34 PM
I was at secondary school in the 80s with a lad called Morgan Rogers. He had rich parents, and in the 6th form they bought him an Opel Manta. All the girls fancied him. Git.
Anyway, Guten Morgan.
Ooh an Opel Manta, you say? All the boys wanted to be him and all the girls wanted to be with him.
Similarly, I think it was Damon Albarn, circa 1992, who, inebriated in some indie-dive, was heard to declare "The trick is to make the blokes wanna be ya, and the birds wanna shag ya".
Post by: Dave P on February 01, 2024, 12:53:19 PM
can he play in Europe?
Would have thought so. He wont be cup tied obviously. We'll get Carla Ward to check.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 01, 2024, 01:41:51 PM
Similarly, I think it was Damon Albarn, circa 1992, who, inebriated in some indie-dive, was heard to declare "The trick is to make the blokes wanna be ya, and the birds wanna shag ya".
A man far too aware of how pretty he was in the 90s, and unable to stop the blokes wanting to kick his head in. (Damon that is, I'm sure you were lovely in the 90s, eamonn.)
Post by: darren woolley on February 01, 2024, 01:43:04 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 01:45:05 PM
Seems like he was very much expected to be the next big thing, Man City paid £4m for him. His loans didn't really pan out for him, but even so he seems an exciting prospect. A Baggies fan, not that it matters. Jacob Tanswell is an excellent correspondent.
Morgan Rogers’ journey from West Brom wonderkid to Aston Villa – via Man City and Middlesbrough
Jacob Tanswell and Steve Madeley
Feb 1, 2024
It was April 2019 and Pep Guardiola and Mikel Arteta, then Manchester City’s managerial master and apprentice, took their seats in the stands at the club’s Academy Stadium.
With the kick-off of an FA Youth Cup semi-final against West Bromwich Albion nearing, Guardiola and Arteta were keen observers of their Premier League champions’ next generation.
Morgan Rogers was operating on the right wing for Albion that Monday evening. City scouts remarked how he harried with vigour when his team were out of possession and provided their chief threat on the counter-attack, enabling them to break up City’s long spells of ball dominance. “His pace on transition caught my eye,” one scout who was there told The Athletic, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
go-deeper
GO DEEPER
Villa agree deal for Middlesbrough's Rogers
Rogers, then 16, possessed directness and a certain confidence and was adept at beating his full-back both ways and at drifting inside into central pockets of space. This was illustrated in his role for Jamie Soule’s equaliser midway through the first half, laying off the ball after finding space between the posts and inside the 18-yard box. City went on to win 4-2, but Rogers’ poise and ability with both feet were viewed as precocious and purposeful.
Four months later and five days after turning 17, he was back at the Academy Stadium, this time dressed in City blue.
After a lengthy extraction process, they finalised a £4million ($5.1m at the current exchange rate) compensation fee for the England youth international. Academy coaches back at West Brom expressed their disappointment within the club, yet accepted such a fee was a lot of money for someone just out of school.
Rogers training at Manchester City in 2022 (Paul Ellis/AFP via Getty Images)
For Rogers, it meant leaving the club he supported. Having been born locally, he joined Albion at the age of eight and was regularly a ball boy at their matches. He was popular and sociable, often loudly launching into ‘Boing-boing!’ in the playground — an infamous West Brom chant — sending classmates into laughter, or singing (invariably off-key) Albion fans’ songs.
Rogers is the middle son of three brothers and his senior debut for West Brom in February 2019 —as an 82nd-minute substitute against Brighton & Hove Albion in the FA Cup — was understandably a huge source of pride for his friends and family, with his parents, Deborah and Howard, watching.
Yet within months, the allure of potentially working with Guardiola and Arteta, despite expecting to be initially schooled within City’s elite development squad (EDS), effectively their under-23s, was decisive.
Born in Halesowen, a market town in the West Midlands eight miles from Albion’s home stadium The Hawthorns, the now 21-year-old’s preadolescent years were spent at local junior school Colley Lane Primary before attending Sandwell Academy secondary, a literal stone’s throw away from the ground; he only needed to cross one street to get there.
“We both shared one obvious passion, our affection for Albion,” says Matthew Smith, a childhood friend. “One memory that still brings a smile to my face is the celebrations during West Brom’s first win (over Manchester United) at Old Trafford since 1978 — in 2013.
“We were playing cricket on a patch of grass at the bottom of my estate when the game was going on. When we heard we had scored, he sprinted up the steps towards my house in disbelief and rang his dad to tell him, only for United to equalise. You can imagine the bedlam when we scored another.”
By that stage, an 11-year-old Rogers was regarded as the jewel in Albion’s academy. Coaches spoke about how he would one day play in the Champions League. Only older fellow prospects Tyler Roberts and Saido Berahino (who scored the winner in that match at Old Trafford) were furnished with similar praise, yet Rogers was held in a higher level of esteem.
Among his influences at youth level were academy manager Mark Harrison and head of junior recruitment Steve Hopcroft, who each played a part in Rogers signing for Albion. Intriguingly, they both now work at Aston Villa in similar roles, with Harrison key in Villa’s move to sign Rogers.
“We first realised Morgan’s talent around the time he signed for the Baggies (West Brom’s unofficial nickname),” says Smith. “Every Thursday afternoon, to the envy of his class-mates, he would miss lessons to train. When he did manage to play for the school, he would be playing with boys two or three years older.
“Without being arrogant, we were a decent side that should have been winning most games, yet Morgan transformed us into being essentially unbeatable. It all came to a head in a cup final in 2013 — the last competitive game I played with Morgan. We won 4-0 and he scored all four.”
Smith recounts occasions when Rogers would take greater responsibility in the closing stages of matches, keeping the ball for longer. In one instance, Rogers — sensing it was time not to be quite so selfless — dribbled from the halfway line, taking on and beating four or five defenders on the way to winning a last-minute penalty.
“I was somehow captain and took penalties,” says Smith. “But I had to let Morgan take it because I knew 100 per cent he would score and win the game for us, which he did. It makes me chuckle to this day that I almost took it when I was nowhere near fit to lace his boots.”
After signing for City, Rogers spent the next 18 months adapting to life in Manchester, training and playing with the EDS squad with occasional call-ups to train with Guardiola’s title-winning senior side. He would excitedly tell friends about playing with Riyad Mahrez, Ruben Dias and a fellow West Midlands native, Jack Grealish. “It just always blew my mind,” Smith says.
In January 2021, Rogers was sent to Lincoln City of League One on loan for the remainder of that season. His technical learning at City was on course and in keeping with absorbing the nuances of a Guardiola winger, hugging the touchline and occasionally, towards the end of his first full season, spearheading the attack.
Rogers impressed on loan at Lincoln (Mike Hewitt/Getty Images)
The loan to Lincoln, in the third tier of the English game, was intended to aid his physical development. He was 18 but tall and slender — he is 6ft 3in (191cm) now — and needed bulking up.
Rogers’ City education meant he was effective in structured attacking systems. Under manager Michael Appleton at Lincoln, he worked on fashioning attacks from the left wing, combining with his overlapping full-back and the closest midfielders.
He made 28 League One appearances in that loan spell and finished with six goals and four assists, including a run of scoring three times in seven games in the March, which saw him voted the division’s young player of the month. The award underlined how crucial Rogers had become in injecting momentum to the end of Lincoln’s campaign. They made it to the play-off final at Wembley but lost 2-1 to Blackpool. Rogers played the full 90 minutes.
For 2021-22, City wanted Rogers to make the next step up in level after impressing in League One. He joined Championship promotion favourites Bournemouth on a season-long loan in the August in a deal incorporating a £9million option to buy plus various buy-back and sell-on clauses.
It did not go well.
He started one league match among 17 Bournemouth appearances, a goalless draw away to Peterborough United in the September where he missed the game’s best chance.
Rogers could never fully win over head coach Scott Parker and Bournemouth pushed for City to cut his stay short. Increasingly, his substitute cameos proved sporadic and on the occasions he was used, Bournemouth would often be in need of a goal and change to a back three, which meant Rogers playing in an unfamiliar and uncomfortable wing-back position.
Aside from an instinctive finish away to Luton Town in the middle of January, meaningful contributions were minimal and he returned to training with City’s EDS after a brief final cameo in the next match against Hull City. “He has probably tried a little bit too hard in certain moments,” said Parker. “He’s had limited time and he’s feeling that — it probably has had a negative effect on him.”
Even though Rogers toiled for form and minutes, staff at Bournemouth remember him fondly. He is described as quiet but polite, more comfortable with younger team-mates such as Jordan Zemura and Jaidon Anthony but generally well-liked. After Bournemouth secured promotion with Rogers by then back at City, players made a concerted effort for him to be part of their final-day celebrations.
“I didn’t need to let my standards drop,” Rogers said of that loan in a recent interview with The Athletic. “I had to demand more from myself. It’s hard to take a step back, but when I did, I looked at what I hope will be a massive career in football. I’ll be the first to admit I let the frustration get to me at Bournemouth.”
Rogers’ loan at Bournemouth did not work out on the pitch (Nathan Stirk/Getty Images)
With Rogers back in City’s EDS squad for the beginning of 2022-23, his career trajectory had been checked and he acknowledged he needed to find a middle ground.
Then, last January, a loan to Blackpool, then of the Championship, presented the perfect fit in theory; they had been keen to sign him a year before and Appleton, his old Lincoln boss, was the manager. Playing there proved tough — Appleton was sacked two weeks after Rogers’ arrival and they ended up getting relegated — yet hardened his learning and gave him greater responsibility as he was playing regularly.
Blackpool won three of their final five fixtures, with Rogers starting the last 10. He banked invaluable experience playing across the front line, including at centre-forward. He scored only once in 20 league appearances, the winner in the season finale away to Norwich City, for a side who finished second-bottom of the division, but he felt his progress would benefit in the long run.
Underlying numbers supported the notion; over the past 12 months, Morgan ranks in the top 12 per cent of attackers playing below the big five European domestic leagues, the Champions League and the Europa League for expected assists (xAG) per 90 minutes (0.30), and in the top 16 per cent for successful take-ons that lead to a shot (0.58 per 90).
“Blackpool were playing teams better than us every week,” said Rogers. “So you’ve got to adapt and still try to be effective in a game where you have minimal chances. It pushed me in a way I’d not had before. You notice how much it means; every point is massive.”
Rogers joined his sixth club last summer when Middlesbrough, who had lost in the Championship play-off semi-finals weeks earlier, signed him in a deal worth around £2million, with City retaining the hope of making a profit later down the line by including a sell-on clause.
Manager Michael Carrick noted his versatility and felt that if Rogers trusted himself, he would flourish. The task facing him on Teesside was potentially daunting given he was yet to translate his youthful promise into concrete evidence he could make it at senior level and he was among the attacking recruits set to replace Boro’s 28-goal 2022-23 top scorer Chuba Akpom, who joined Ajax last summer, and 11-goal Villa academy graduate Cameron Archer, who returned to his parent club before a permanent transfer to Sheffield United.
Aaron Danks, Carrick’s right-hand man, knew Rogers from their time together at West Brom, which eased his bedding-in process. The newcomer quickly grew in confidence, even if seven goals (five of them in the Carabao Cup, as Middlesbrough got to the semi-finals) in 33 appearances was a solid rather than spectacular return for his six months.
But Villa head coach Unai Emery, in part thanks to his customary and notorious lengthy analysis sessions, looked beyond surface-level data. Even before Villa’s FA Cup third-round tie at the Riverside on January 6, where Rogers would play as a No 10, Emery had become aware of his talent.
Emery’s analysis sessions are as extensive as they are detailed, with every opposition player deeply scrutinised. The Spaniard felt Rogers stood out in Villa’s 1-0 win and pressed the Premier League club’s ‘triangle of power’ to pursue a deal.
Villa had been considering another young Championship forward, Norwich City’s 20-year-old Jonathan Rowe, among their top targets internally and had sent scouts to watch him.
This remained the case into the final week of the winter window, until Villa eventually prevailed in their pursuit of Rogers with an overall package worth £15million and a five-and-a-half-year deal.
Emery views Rogers as a player who can be sculpted and refined within his system.
“We analysed him and follow him with a scout then as well when we played against Middlesbrough,” said the Spaniard. “He is a young player with potential and he can start his new chapter here. Hopefully he can progress here like we think he will do.”
The hope now is that, now back in the West Midlands, he can build on the potential that first emerged on that early April evening in Manchester four years ago.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2024, 01:48:16 PM
That Fabrizio Armano is one well dressed man.
By Giorgio, you're right!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2024, 01:54:13 PM
can he play in Europe?
Would have thought so. He wont be cup tied obviously. We'll get Carla Ward to check.
:)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2024, 01:56:24 PM
Villa fan ?
Olbiyun fan according to The Athletic, but the word on the street is that his first love is Halesowen Town.
Post by: pablo_picasso on February 01, 2024, 01:57:11 PM
Very good Athletic article.
Seems like he was very much expected to be the next big thing, Man City paid £4m for him. His loans didn't really pan out for him, but even so he seems an exciting prospect. A Baggies fan, not that it matters. Jacob Tanswell is an excellent correspondent.
Yeah, decent article. 👍
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 01:58:06 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 02:07:43 PM
The £4m price paid by Man City show just what high regard he was initially held in. Lets hope he can fulfil it with us.
Post by: LeeB on February 01, 2024, 02:08:14 PM
so he's an Albion fan
Nothing gets past Monsieur Poirot.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on February 01, 2024, 02:16:49 PM
I was at secondary school in the 80s with a lad called Morgan Rogers. He had rich parents, and in the 6th form they bought him an Opel Manta. All the girls fancied him. Git.
Anyway, Guten Morgan.
Ooh an Opel Manta, you say? All the boys wanted to be him and all the girls wanted to be with him.
Similarly, I think it was Damon Albarn, circa 1992, who, inebriated in some indie-dive, was heard to declare "The trick is to make the blokes wanna be ya, and the birds wanna shag ya".
Isn’t that just paraphrasing Ray Davies’ lyrics on David Watts?
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2024, 02:18:49 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 01, 2024, 02:27:46 PM
Please be good Morgan.
He will be, in Unai we trust!
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on February 01, 2024, 02:51:34 PM
Got to be better than Zaniolo as an option off the bench.
Post by: eamonn on February 01, 2024, 02:56:07 PM
I was at secondary school in the 80s with a lad called Morgan Rogers. He had rich parents, and in the 6th form they bought him an Opel Manta. All the girls fancied him. Git.
Anyway, Guten Morgan.
Ooh an Opel Manta, you say? All the boys wanted to be him and all the girls wanted to be with him.
Similarly, I think it was Damon Albarn, circa 1992, who, inebriated in some indie-dive, was heard to declare "The trick is to make the blokes wanna be ya, and the birds wanna shag ya".
Isn’t that just paraphrasing Ray Davies’ lyrics on David Watts?
Albarn was listening to The Kinks a lot at the time.
Post by: Ads on February 01, 2024, 03:09:03 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 03:11:24 PM
some on here were saying he was a Villa fanso he's an Albion fan
Nothing gets past Monsieur Poirot.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 01, 2024, 05:03:58 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 01, 2024, 05:07:12 PM
It hardly matters. Merson was and still is a huge Chelsea fan even though he played at Arsenal for 14 years and won loads. He loved his time with us, but openly admits he's Chelsea, then Arsenal then Villa.i have no issues with it, in the same way Watkins supports Arsenal but loves scoring against them
Post by: not3bad on February 01, 2024, 08:11:51 PM
Post by: dave shelley on February 01, 2024, 08:18:51 PM
Post by: Risso on February 01, 2024, 10:34:43 PM
Good lad!
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on February 02, 2024, 03:44:50 AM
What Have Aston Villa Seen in £16m Morgan Rogers?
JAN 31, 2024
ALI TWEEDALE / AUTHOR, MATT SISNEROS / DESIGN
Just six months on from signing for Middlesbrough for £1m, Morgan Rogers is heading back to the Premier League for 16 times that amount. We take a look a why Aston Villa have decided to splash out on him.
Morgan Rogers’ move to Aston Villa is a curious one.
The 21-year-old only moved to Middlesbrough from Manchester City in the summer, and cost just £1 million back then. Now, six months on, he has secured his return to the Premier League with Aston Villa for potentially 16 times that fee. Reports on Tuesday suggested that his transfer to Villa would cost an initial £8m and eventually up to £16m with all add-ons included.
At a time when there is also talk that Villa have considered the possibility of selling a prized asset – someone like Jacob Ramsey – to guarantee compliance with Premier League profitability and sustainability rules come the end of the season, it’s a surprise to see them spending a far-from-insignificant sum on a player who has only 28 Championship starts to his name. In his half-season with Middlesbrough, Rogers hadn’t even convinced many of his own supporters of his worth. There have been a fair few raised eyebrows among their fans that Rogers is stepping up to a club at the top end of the Premier League for so much money.
So, what exactly have Aston Villa seen in Rogers that convinced them to sign him?
The first thing to say is that he is still very young and incredibly raw. He has only played 5,106 league minutes as a professional, with just 54% of those coming in the second tier (2,773). So, signing him is a gamble, but Villa presumably see the potential upside as worth paying for right now. Whether he can play a part for the first team straight away is another matter entirely.
Rogers is an attacking midfielder who likes to get into positions between the lines to link play, preferring to start in a number 10 position and roam from there. In Michael Carrick’s 4-2-3-1 at Boro, there was the perfect spot for him in behind the striker, which is where he played most of the time for them this season.
morgan rogers positions played Middlesbrough
He can also play out wide or up front, but his inclination is always to move into central positions because he likes to receive the ball to feet. That is naturally a useful trait in certain regards, not least because by moving away from his starting position he gives his direct opponent a decision to make as to whether to follow him. But at the same time, his team can lose out from him moving away from the position he is supposed to be occupying. For example, when he plays up front, he will rarely pin the centre-backs deep in their own territory, and when he is out wide, he doesn’t stretch the opposition’s defence by hugging the touchline and pulling a full-back away from the centre-backs.
morgan rogers touch zones Middlesbrough 2023-24
He is, however, very adept at receiving in tight spaces so he is well-suited to getting on the ball between the lines. He is very comfortable receiving on the half-turn, has a fantastic first touch and scans constantly, so when the ball comes his way he often manages to move play on with one touch, whether that is to a teammate he is facing or by turning towards goal and progressing play. He ranks 12th in the Championship of players with 1,000+ minutes played for successful layoffs per 90 (1.7), and second for through balls per 90 (0.8), behind only Alex Pritchard (0.9).
morgan rogers through balls 2023-24
Rogers prefers to create rather than go for goal himself, something that is reflected in his record of six assists and just two goals in the Championship this season. He ranks ninth in the Championship for assists despite starting only half (14 of 28) of Boro’s games, but jumps up to second when looking at assists per 90 (0.42) among players with at least 1,000 minutes to their name.
He is within the Championship’s top 10 players for the season for chances created per 90 (2.6) among the same group of players, while only Leicester’s on-loan Sporting CP winger Abdul Fatawu (1.2) has created more big chances per 90 than him (0.8). Rogers also ranks seventh in the division for expected assists (xA) per 90, with 0.29, and jumps up to third when just looking at open-play expected assists per 90, with the vast majority of his contributions coming in open play (0.28 xA) rather than at dead balls situations.
He likes to move play forward by carrying the ball, too, averaging 10.5 carries – moving with the ball at least five metres – per 90 this season, with 5.4 of those deemed ‘progressive’ – moving with the ball at least five metres towards the opposition’s goal, as well as ranking in the top 20 for both dribbles attempted (4.7) and completed (1.7) per 90. He is yet to marry his ball-carrying with end product, though; he has followed up only seven of his 152 carries all season by creating a chance for a teammate.
morgan rogers chance creating carries
Whenever he gets the opportunity, Rogers will look to play a killer pass, but that eagerness to affect the game is both a strength and a weakness. He wants to play the final pass or make the biggest possible impact whenever he gets on the ball. It speaks to a confidence in a player who impressed so much while playing against Manchester City for West Brom in the FA Youth Cup semi-final in 2019 that City chose to sign him. You want your young players to be confident and to try difficult things that have the potential to be telling, but Rogers gives the ball away slightly too frequently.
He has lost possession on average 18.3 times per 90 minutes played, which puts him in the top 20 in the Championship this season, and means that 34% of his touches lead to him losing the ball.
It is natural that attackers complete fewer passes than other players, but his pass success rate of 72.2% is remarkably low given he plays in a possession-dominant team under Carrick. Many of the best players in the world give the ball away often when trying ambitious things – for example, Bruno Fernandes has lost possession more times than any other player in the Premier League this season (430) – but they also produce key contributions more than anyone else. He may have to curb some of those creative instincts when making the step up to Premier League level.
He did catch the eye against Chelsea in the EFL Cup semi-final last week, though, and Villa fans will be hoping his well-taken goal, struck from the edge of the box – which took his record in the competition this season to five goals and two assists in five starts and one substitute appearance – is an indication that he has what it takes to make it at the highest level.
There is unquestionably plenty of talent there and bags of potential, and Villa have clearly deemed Rogers’ possible improvement worth taking a reasonably expensive risk on.
Don’t expect him to have a huge impact on first-team proceedings too quickly, but Rogers could be one to keep an eye on in the coming years if Villa manage his development well.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 02, 2024, 06:45:03 AM
Post by: OCD on February 02, 2024, 10:14:51 AM
“Favourite TV programme? Suits.”
Good lad!
Well up until the point that Mike Ross leaves anyway.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 02, 2024, 12:03:12 PM
That's quite a shocking statistic. We really don't need players who give the ball away or get tackled easily. I wonder what role for him Emery has in mind?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2024, 12:06:57 PM
He has lost possession on average 18.3 times per 90 minutes played
That's quite a shocking statistic. We really don't need players who give the ball away or get tackled easily. I wonder what role for him Emery has in mind?
That can't be right.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 02, 2024, 12:07:05 PM
He has lost possession on average 18.3 times per 90 minutes played
That's quite a shocking statistic. We really don't need players who give the ball away or get tackled easily. I wonder what role for him Emery has in mind?
How high is it normally for an attacking player? I imagine someone who takes more risks or is playing a lot of final balls will have a higher figure than other more conservative players, but no idea what is normal.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 02, 2024, 12:10:09 PM
He has lost possession on average 18.3 times per 90 minutes playedHe can have a competition with Zaniolo.
That's quite a shocking statistic. We really don't need players who give the ball away or get tackled easily. I wonder what role for him Emery has in mind?
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2024, 12:21:34 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 02, 2024, 12:26:29 PM
He has lost possession on average 18.3 times per 90 minutes played
That's quite a shocking statistic. We really don't need players who give the ball away or get tackled easily. I wonder what role for him Emery has in mind?
How high is it normally for an attacking player? I imagine someone who takes more risks or is playing a lot of final balls will have a higher figure than other more conservative players, but no idea what is normal.
If you look at it positively he must be seeing a lot of the ball so is influential. I assume his losing of possession is in the final third of the pitch too.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2024, 12:32:53 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 02, 2024, 12:32:53 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 02, 2024, 12:49:33 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Exactly, there's only one Bruno and that's Bruno Tonioli.
Post by: Chris Stares on February 02, 2024, 12:50:31 PM
This!Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Post by: Dogtanian on February 02, 2024, 01:06:43 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Exactly, there's only one Bruno and that's Bruno Tonioli.
Named after my sister's childhood gerbil, you know.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2024, 02:02:09 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 02, 2024, 02:19:13 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
If he paid us I would not want that rat faced, cheating fucking scumbag anywhere our club
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 02, 2024, 04:21:56 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Exactly, there's only one Bruno and that's Bruno Tonioli.
One for me too. Indelicato.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 02, 2024, 04:25:10 PM
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2024, 04:38:36 PM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
I’ll accept ‘Fernandes’ or ‘rat face’. This talk of ‘Bruno’ can stay on other Man Utd centric forums. Like the bbc sports website.
Exactly, there's only one Bruno and that's Bruno Tonioli.
We don't talk about Bruno
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2024, 04:39:38 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/YdygC7w/MV5-BMTUw-NDIw-NDE5-MV5-BMl5-Ban-Bn-Xk-Ft-ZTcw-MDA2-Mz-A1-Mg-V1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YdygC7w)
Post by: Risso on February 02, 2024, 05:49:23 PM
We don't talk about Bruno
FFS Ian, took me about a year to get that out of my head!
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2024, 05:50:27 PM
Sorry! Great film thoughWe don't talk about Bruno
FFS Ian, took me about a year to get that out of my head!
Post by: footywithuti on February 03, 2024, 11:47:09 AM
https://youtu.be/ry7EGYkcv7U?si=9DfGGeuIRKkxbNEn
Post by: Rigadon on February 03, 2024, 11:49:54 AM
The best debut I can recall (pretty sure it was his debut, but given I was about 10 I can't be 100% sure and can't be arsed to look!) was Mr Didier Six v Man Utd. He never seemed to hit the same heights after, but he seemed so exotic to my eyes back then.
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2024, 11:52:18 AM
Best debut i saw was a double - Stuart and Andy Gray at Bradford. Epic game
Post by: john2710 on February 03, 2024, 11:54:38 AM
Yes but it also says Bruno has lost possession more than any other player in the PL, 430 times. And we'd all take him, let's be honest.
If he paid us I would not want that rat faced, cheating fucking scumbag anywhere our club
Most of us would have said the same about John Terry.
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2024, 11:56:59 AM
Morning everyone, here’s a short video detailing everything you need to know about Morgan Rogers in 2 minutes for those of you interested. Wicked talent and I’m glad Villa were able to get this one over the line after 3 failed bids. Hope you find this useful, have a good weekend and feel free to ask me any questions you may have, cheers!
https://youtu.be/ry7EGYkcv7U?si=9DfGGeuIRKkxbNEn
I do enjoy these short vids, especially the random bad language. "Works his tits off" ace!
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2024, 12:09:27 PM
Morning everyone, here’s a short video detailing everything you need to know about Morgan Rogers in 2 minutes for those of you interested. Wicked talent and I’m glad Villa were able to get this one over the line after 3 failed bids. Hope you find this useful, have a good weekend and feel free to ask me any questions you may have, cheers!
https://youtu.be/ry7EGYkcv7U?si=9DfGGeuIRKkxbNEn
I do enjoy these short vids, especially the random bad language. "Works his tits off" ace!
Me too, very informative!
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2024, 01:10:23 PM
It's always exciting watching new arrivals, so I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
The best debut I can recall (pretty sure it was his debut, but given I was about 10 I can't be 100% sure and can't be arsed to look!) was Mr Didier Six v Man Utd. He never seemed to hit the same heights after, but he seemed so exotic to my eyes back then.
I remember a (I think South American) midfielder we signed who played such a good long cross field ball on his debut I thought he'd be ace, and now I can't even remember his name.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2024, 01:15:46 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2024, 01:18:35 PM
Calvert-Lewin holds on to the ball for too long almost to Kodjia levels.
Hopefully Rogers will be better at that.
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2024, 01:37:37 PM
Calvert-Lewin holds on to the ball for too long almost to Kodjia levels.
Whats that got to do with Buck Rodgers?!
Post by: Clampy on February 03, 2024, 01:44:07 PM
Calvert-Lewin holds on to the ball for too long almost to Kodjia levels.
Whats that got to do with Buck Rodgers?!
I think he's gonna make it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 03, 2024, 02:33:59 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 03, 2024, 02:34:16 PM
It's always exciting watching new arrivals, so I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
The best debut I can recall (pretty sure it was his debut, but given I was about 10 I can't be 100% sure and can't be arsed to look!) was Mr Didier Six v Man Utd. He never seemed to hit the same heights after, but he seemed so exotic to my eyes back then.
I remember a (I think South American) midfielder we signed who played such a good long cross field ball on his debut I thought he'd be ace, and now I can't even remember his name.
This is going to sound really weird, but do you mean Carlos Sanchez, the Columbian? Because if you do, I think I actually remember that pass - which is a VERY strange thing to remember, considering last year I almost forgot my missus' birthday!
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2024, 02:38:05 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2024, 03:01:28 PM
It's always exciting watching new arrivals, so I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
The best debut I can recall (pretty sure it was his debut, but given I was about 10 I can't be 100% sure and can't be arsed to look!) was Mr Didier Six v Man Utd. He never seemed to hit the same heights after, but he seemed so exotic to my eyes back then.
I remember a (I think South American) midfielder we signed who played such a good long cross field ball on his debut I thought he'd be ace, and now I can't even remember his name.
This is going to sound really weird, but do you mean Carlos Sanchez, the Columbian? Because if you do, I think I actually remember that pass - which is a VERY strange thing to remember, considering last year I almost forgot my missus' birthday!
Yep that's the one. That pass was perfect and I thought our midfield issues were being solved.
Post by: VillaTim on February 03, 2024, 03:12:41 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 03, 2024, 03:43:49 PM
It's always exciting watching new arrivals, so I'm looking forward to seeing him play.
The best debut I can recall (pretty sure it was his debut, but given I was about 10 I can't be 100% sure and can't be arsed to look!) was Mr Didier Six v Man Utd. He never seemed to hit the same heights after, but he seemed so exotic to my eyes back then.
I remember a (I think South American) midfielder we signed who played such a good long cross field ball on his debut I thought he'd be ace, and now I can't even remember his name.
This is going to sound really weird, but do you mean Carlos Sanchez, the Columbian? Because if you do, I think I actually remember that pass - which is a VERY strange thing to remember, considering last year I almost forgot my missus' birthday!
Yep that's the one. That pass was perfect and I thought our midfield issues were being solved.
On the subject of great passes on debut, I still remember Isiah Osborne playing a brilliant lofted reverse pass into the path of an onrushing winger on his first or second appearance, and thinking "blimey, this kid could be our playmaker for the next ten years!"
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2024, 03:46:14 PM
On the subject of great passes on debut, I still remember Isiah Osborne playing a brilliant lofted reverse pass into the path of an onrushing winger on his first or second appearance, and thinking "blimey, this kid could be our playmaker for the next ten years!"
Similarly, Barry Bannan with a sublime pass to Mark Albrighton for a great goal (against Fulham?)
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2024, 03:54:48 PM
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2024, 07:33:46 PM
Post by: Dave P on February 03, 2024, 07:40:10 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on February 04, 2024, 03:29:51 AM
Good to see him get some minutes, should have marked it with a goal. Nice run to be in the right spot though.
Yeah, it was a shame.
Post by: ROBBO on February 04, 2024, 08:13:15 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on February 04, 2024, 08:49:58 AM
I know you can only beat whats in front of you but oh dear they were diabolical. I thought their player soon to be our player again was their best when he came on.
Yes but we didn't wait around to find out how average they were unlike 6 weeks ago
Post by: AV82EC on February 04, 2024, 09:24:17 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on February 04, 2024, 10:55:14 AM
Good to see him get some minutes, should have marked it with a goal. Nice run to be in the right spot though.
Yeah, it was a shame.
I wonder how we’d all be feeling about him if it had been 0-0 when he missed that one and more importantly how he’d be felling himself.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 04, 2024, 12:51:05 PM
I wonder how we’d all be feeling about him if it had been 0-0 when he missed that one and more importantly how he’d be felling himself.
If it was 0-0 we might not have seen him or he would have been playing with the better creative players still on the pitch......
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 04, 2024, 01:00:10 PM
Post by: Smithy on February 04, 2024, 01:54:34 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on February 04, 2024, 03:08:17 PM
I was quite surprised to see him get his debut. I didn't expect him to be make much of a contribution to the first team in the first few weeks, as it seems like Unai has a very disciplined tactical approach, and you'd need to time to get up to speed with exactly what's expected of you. But pleased for him, and hopefully a few more cameos and chances as he gets up to speed. Also, he seems like quite a big unit for a tricky winger/attacker? Or was it just deceptive in the highlights?
No; he is a big unit.
Watched the Teerside Wearside Derby earlier and they pointed out that Rogers was top of the Smogmonsters' goals plus assists stats.
Post by: OCD on February 04, 2024, 04:57:48 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 08:39:28 AM
Nice little cameo and he seemed to fit into the structure very well. Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession. Be interested to see how he deals with games with more intensity.Did you watch a different debut to me? He missed a great chance and volleyed a throw-in straight back out to touch. I can't really recall the comfortable in possession bit tbh.
Not that it matters, he's got time to grow into the role and I'm glad he's got his debut under his belt.
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 08:44:17 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2024, 08:45:12 AM
Nice little cameo and he seemed to fit into the structure very well. Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession. Be interested to see how he deals with games with more intensity.Did you watch a different debut to me? He missed a great chance and volleyed a throw-in straight back out to touch. I can't really recall the comfortable in possession bit tbh.
Not that it matters, he's got time to grow into the role and I'm glad he's got his debut under his belt.
Not that it matters but you bring up his two faults during a 9 minute debut appearance? What's the point in that?
Post by: London Villan on February 05, 2024, 08:46:54 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 09:04:27 AM
"Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession" just didn't seem to be an accurate description of what I saw on the day. I prefer to call it as I see it rather than make stuff up.Nice little cameo and he seemed to fit into the structure very well. Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession. Be interested to see how he deals with games with more intensity.Did you watch a different debut to me? He missed a great chance and volleyed a throw-in straight back out to touch. I can't really recall the comfortable in possession bit tbh.
Not that it matters, he's got time to grow into the role and I'm glad he's got his debut under his belt.
Not that it matters but you bring up his two faults during a 9 minute debut appearance? What's the point in that?
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 09:11:18 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 09:13:32 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2024, 09:17:21 AM
Unbelievable.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 09:20:25 AM
Well, as long as pointing out his faults on his 9 minute debut has made you content, then fair enough.I was calling out the post more than the player himself. What's the point of making stuff up? If you saw a player strong on the ball and comfortable in possession then great. That's not what I saw, but I must admit to being a bit distracted by the lads with their bellies out singing the Kamara song, which was funnier than it sounds.
Unbelievable.
Post by: nigel on February 05, 2024, 09:23:44 AM
On the subject of great passes on debut, I still remember Isiah Osborne playing a brilliant lofted reverse pass into the path of an onrushing winger on his first or second appearance, and thinking "blimey, this kid could be our playmaker for the next ten years!"
Similarly, Barry Bannan with a sublime pass to Mark Albrighton for a great goal (against Fulham?)
Remember that pass, absolutely sublime. Landed about a metre in front of Albrighton who didn’t break stride.
Around that time Charlie Adam hit an identical sort of pass, but into a load of space, a player ran about 20 metres on to the ball. Pundits were w@nking themselves off say what an amazing pass, what vision!!!
Bannan’s never got a mention
Post by: eamonn on February 05, 2024, 09:23:56 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 09:33:51 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on February 05, 2024, 09:36:02 AM
Well, as long as pointing out his faults on his 9 minute debut has made you content, then fair enough.I was calling out the post more than the player himself. What's the point of making stuff up? If you saw a player strong on the ball and comfortable in possession then great. That's not what I saw, but I must admit to being a bit distracted by the lads with their bellies out singing the Kamara song, which was funnier than it sounds.
Unbelievable.
They were right in front of us, and it was distracting. One of them had the strangest back hair I've ever seen.
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 09:39:50 AM
Clampy only sees the good in Villa things.
And the bad in H&V posters. Still, whatever gets him through the day.
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2024, 09:48:53 AM
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 09:52:18 AM
How much do I owe you by the way Risso? It's ok, I seem to be living rent free in your head lately. Still, whatever gets you through the day
Your posts are about as interesting the stuff that goes on that SHA forum, I just don't like how 90% of your posts are having a go at somebody. But you've been doing it for 20 years now, so you must enjoy it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 05, 2024, 09:59:08 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 05, 2024, 10:02:56 AM
How much do I owe you by the way Risso? It's ok, I seem to be living rent free in your head lately. Still, whatever gets you through the day
Your posts are about as interesting the stuff that goes on that SHA forum, I just don't like how 90% of your posts are having a go at somebody. But you've been doing it for 20 years now, so you must enjoy it.
Coming for someone who posts childish 'Clampy to the Thread' nonsense.
Let's leave it there shall we?
Post by: Drummond on February 05, 2024, 10:06:01 AM
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 10:09:08 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 05, 2024, 10:22:50 AM
Post by: AV82EC on February 05, 2024, 11:00:53 AM
"Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession" just didn't seem to be an accurate description of what I saw on the day. I prefer to call it as I see it rather than make stuff up.Nice little cameo and he seemed to fit into the structure very well. Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession. Be interested to see how he deals with games with more intensity.Did you watch a different debut to me? He missed a great chance and volleyed a throw-in straight back out to touch. I can't really recall the comfortable in possession bit tbh.
Not that it matters, he's got time to grow into the role and I'm glad he's got his debut under his belt.
Not that it matters but you bring up his two faults during a 9 minute debut appearance? What's the point in that?
So I’m making stuff up with what I saw? You saw it differently, that’s fine, there’s no need to rubbish those of us who saw something else.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 11:23:06 AM
Righto, but given Risso's 4 touches comment, the other two must have been pretty good."Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession" just didn't seem to be an accurate description of what I saw on the day. I prefer to call it as I see it rather than make stuff up.Nice little cameo and he seemed to fit into the structure very well. Seemed strong on the ball and comfortable in possession. Be interested to see how he deals with games with more intensity.Did you watch a different debut to me? He missed a great chance and volleyed a throw-in straight back out to touch. I can't really recall the comfortable in possession bit tbh.
Not that it matters, he's got time to grow into the role and I'm glad he's got his debut under his belt.
Not that it matters but you bring up his two faults during a 9 minute debut appearance? What's the point in that?
So I’m making stuff up with what I saw? You saw it differently, that’s fine, there’s no need to rubbish those of us who saw something else.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 05, 2024, 11:45:02 AM
I knew there would be a bust up on here about him, as someone would moan about his wayward goal attempt or similar. I was just glad he got on the pitch and had his first minutes, my observation was that he was working his balls off and looked almost a bit too keen to please. Thankfully we haven't seem much in terms of row z shots over the past 12 months or so but i'm going to say it was a rush of blood on his debut. Early days is a massive understatement though, and as it stands i think he (and for that matter Moussa and Duran) will give us plenty of quality moments over the next few years.
Post by: paul_e on February 05, 2024, 11:47:05 AM
:-)
I knew there would be a bust up on here about him, as someone would moan about his wayward goal attempt or similar. I was just glad he got on the pitch and had his first minutes, my observation was that he was working his balls off and looked almost a bit too keen to please. Thankfully we haven't seem much in terms of row z shots over the past 12 months or so but i'm going to say it was a rush of blood on his debut. Early days is a massive understatement though, and as it stands i think he (and for that matter Moussa and Duran) will give us plenty of quality moments over the next few years.
Yep, for me he tried to thunderc**t it into the net when a little more composure probably would've been better but I'm not gonig to worry about that from a young player making his debut in a game that had already been over for an hour by the time he came on.
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 11:55:13 AM
:-)cross was pulled back slightly behind him
I knew there would be a bust up on here about him, as someone would moan about his wayward goal attempt or similar. I was just glad he got on the pitch and had his first minutes, my observation was that he was working his balls off and looked almost a bit too keen to please. Thankfully we haven't seem much in terms of row z shots over the past 12 months or so but i'm going to say it was a rush of blood on his debut. Early days is a massive understatement though, and as it stands i think he (and for that matter Moussa and Duran) will give us plenty of quality moments over the next few years.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 05, 2024, 12:05:30 PM
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 05, 2024, 12:23:32 PM
He gives me prime Ashley Young vibes, both were/are 21 when signing as well. No pressure then. ;)
Post by: Bad English on February 05, 2024, 12:44:56 PM
Post by: exigo on February 05, 2024, 12:45:55 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 05, 2024, 01:18:50 PM
It was noticeable that after that shot, Ollie went straight up to him with words of encouragement. Rogers will be a good signing for us, he's played for England at every age level, he's no idiot.Watkins was just consoling his younger, taller brother after he spooned his shot literally into Bramall Lane out the back
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 05, 2024, 01:20:20 PM
Good to see him get some minutes, should have marked it with a goal. Nice run to be in the right spot though.
Yeah, it was a shame.
I wonder how we’d all be feeling about him if it had been 0-0 when he missed that one and more importantly how he’d be felling himself.
Certainly would not have been pulling up any trees.
Post by: waynejames on February 05, 2024, 03:06:54 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 03:12:53 PM
Post by: London Villan on February 05, 2024, 03:16:47 PM
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2024, 03:20:56 PM
How many games has Zaniolo got before the option to buy is triggered?
By my reckoning he could play all the rest of the games this season, bar one, and it wouldn't trigger the option. As it sounds like he's going to be out for a while now, I think that it's something Emery won't have to worry about, ie he'll be able to play him when he likes when Zaniolo returns, and then decide whether he wants him or not without having a compulsory clause to worry about.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 05, 2024, 03:24:45 PM
Good to see him get some minutes, should have marked it with a goal. Nice run to be in the right spot though.
Yeah, it was a shame.
I wonder how we’d all be feeling about him if it had been 0-0 when he missed that one and more importantly how he’d be felling himself.
Certainly would not have been pulling up any trees.
Yes but that wasnt the scenario , seems abit unfair , but i would sell him , First !
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 05, 2024, 03:32:27 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 04:02:47 PM
Had it been 0-0 he wouldn't have been on the pitch i'm sure. I'd say after only being at the club for 3 days and not playing in the PL before Emery wouldn't have put him out there in expectation of turning itt. I think we'd have stayed as we started till quite late and then the likes of Moussa and Ramsey would have come on to try to get the late goal.Agreed, the minutes were a bonus and I'm sure valuable experience.
Post by: DrGonzo on February 05, 2024, 05:28:52 PM
Post by: FatSam on February 05, 2024, 08:59:09 PM
Zaniolney won't get a wiff of a game now unless Watkins or Rogers get injured. Rogers might be used out wide from time to time‘Zaniolney’. Childish, but I like it.
Post by: Legion on February 05, 2024, 09:12:04 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/ysVywM1/FB-IMG-1707164241621.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ysVywM1)
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 07:18:49 AM
Post by: frank black on February 12, 2024, 08:48:14 AM
I cant believe he didnt get minutes yesterday. Id rather have seen him come on than zaniolo. After all the time its taken to get him has only had 10 mins so far. Not sure why unai never used him yesterday would have been a great opportunity to give him some minutes and home debut
Probably wants to start him off in games where he won’t have too much pressure. Probably see him come on in one of the euro games if we are cruising
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 09:21:11 AM
I cant believe he didnt get minutes yesterday. Id rather have seen him come on than zaniolo. After all the time its taken to get him has only had 10 mins so far. Not sure why unai never used him yesterday would have been a great opportunity to give him some minutes and home debut
Probably wants to start him off in games where he won’t have too much pressure. Probably see him come on in one of the euro games if we are cruising
Yeah but my concern is once durans back he will get even less game time. I think he should be given more opportunities than zaniolo has. 1 goal in league all season. Awful. I think rodgers can better that. Emery needs to have more faith in the youbger players i feel
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 09:22:22 AM
Post by: Mister E on February 12, 2024, 09:45:04 AM
I think Rogers will get more time than Duran, as he's Emery's player. I reckon Duran will be off in the summer, permanently.Yep, said the same yesterday. I think Duran is history for us. However, I too was surprised that Z came on yesterday rather than Ted (when he did, he looked totally lost; not a player for us).
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2024, 10:04:20 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 10:09:22 AM
The Zaniolo experiment needs to stop. He's very poor, and I'd rather give minutes to Rogers who's our player now for years to come.
Agree 100%. He is useless. So slow and just generally pants. Not good enough at this level.
I agree duran will be moved on too. Let him go chelsea
Post by: London Villan on February 12, 2024, 10:10:40 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2024, 10:12:54 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 12, 2024, 10:13:11 AM
Would Rogers be able to play in the "close to Watkins" role that McGinn played yesterday?
He might be able to but for me id put diaby there. We had our best success there when pau was back at cb and thats what i would go back to when paus fit
Post by: OCD on February 12, 2024, 10:26:30 AM
Post by: VillaTim on February 12, 2024, 10:30:09 AM
I think it's ambitious to expect too much from him this season. I wouldn't think he's anywhere near starting is he?nope . one for the future
Post by: chrisw1 on February 26, 2024, 06:22:55 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on February 26, 2024, 07:06:18 PM
We may see some more game time for Rogers as the season progresses, especially in the event that we get towards a European final.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 11:55:06 AM
Even if that does not happen, let's hope he gets some game time later today, and we can all assess his performance in this personal player specifications thread.
It would be excellent for his confidence if he took his next scoring opportunity, as he has shown some great touches but has struggled with finishing and appears raw. I believe he has what it takes due to his footy intelligence and does have strong footy shooting skills just needs to relax and I hope to see him get more game experience today and the four games in 10 days so he becomes more familiar with the play style and contributes to the attack.
Post by: Dogtanian on March 02, 2024, 12:01:47 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 02, 2024, 12:17:23 PM
Post by: OCD on March 02, 2024, 12:33:15 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on March 02, 2024, 01:18:38 PM
Yes, I think Duran will be off at the end of the season. After a year of warming the subs bench I think it's fairly clear that Emery doesn't rate him.
Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2024, 02:48:27 PM
Has Rodgers leapfrogged Duran in the pecking orderWell, Duran has not been fit since Rogers arrived so I don't we can say either way.
Post by: OCD on March 02, 2024, 02:55:58 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 02, 2024, 03:09:44 PM
He's quite a big lad, might be interesting to see how he stands up to the physical presence Luton have. Certainly more than, say, Zaniolo will offer.be nice if we can get a few bob back on him , seems a crap signing
Yes, I think Duran will be off at the end of the season. After a year of warming the subs bench I think it's fairly clear that Emery doesn't rate him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 03:10:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 02, 2024, 03:24:01 PM
Yes let's focus on Rodgers he's the future.
Is that an early 80s TV reference?
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 06:33:29 PM
Class act
Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2024, 06:38:16 PM
Yes let's focus on Rodgers he's the future.I'd rather focus on Rogers.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 06:45:01 PM
You say tomatoesYes let's focus on Rodgers he's the future.I'd rather focus on Rogers.
That's obviously the same person as I highlighted on player specific thread.
Well I had a feeling he would be involved.
Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2024, 07:04:57 PM
different spelling...You say tomatoesYes let's focus on Rodgers he's the future.I'd rather focus on Rogers.
That's obviously the same person as I highlighted on player specific thread.
Well I had a feeling he would be involved.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2024, 07:11:04 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 02, 2024, 07:13:25 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2024, 07:20:16 PM
All the attack has been anonymous. They closed out the spaces and pushed us more.
More like we didnt bother attacking or both holding onto thw ball better. Inviting constant pressure on ourselves
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 02, 2024, 07:48:59 PM
It doesn’t , he’s not great and maybe could have been sent off
But a player in there definitely. He should always come on ahead of Zaniolo.
To be fair , I should come on ahead of zaniolo
Post by: Steve67 on March 02, 2024, 09:48:32 PM
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Post by: Matt C on March 02, 2024, 09:50:02 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 02, 2024, 10:02:57 PM
He was one more foul away from a red too, it was the right call to get him off before the referee was given another excuse to give a decision against us.
Absolutely the right call, as we couldn't afford to go down to ten men and he was walking that tightrope. Thought he looked promising on the ball, but struggled defensively in the second half.
Post by: VillaTim on March 02, 2024, 10:08:28 PM
Post by: ROBBO on March 02, 2024, 11:42:02 PM
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 03, 2024, 01:17:47 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2024, 01:32:15 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2024, 08:43:24 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2024, 08:46:43 AM
Has massove potential. Can see us seeing best of him from the summer once a proper pre season
Post by: brontebilly on March 03, 2024, 09:14:18 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 03, 2024, 10:01:44 AM
I thought Unai made exactly the right call in taking Rogers off. He was blowing out of his arse and clearly not giving us enough cover defensively. He did a couple of good things going forward and will learn with Unai coaching him. He did ok overall.
That’s exactly the way I saw it. He looked more comfortable than in his cameo against Sheffield Utd but of course he’s been here over a month now rather than a few days. Bring him on as much as possible till the end of the season and then work hard with him in pre season.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 03, 2024, 10:16:47 AM
Hadn't seen that apparent likeness before!
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 03, 2024, 11:37:49 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2024, 11:41:11 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
Post by: Clampy on March 03, 2024, 11:44:51 AM
Post by: Richard E on March 03, 2024, 11:46:39 AM
Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 03, 2024, 11:46:43 AM
Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
From the radio coverage they called him out for not tracking back and getting behind the ball. That sort of thing doesn’t appear in stats. Regardless, promising numbers so plenty of potential especially as he gets more integrated into the Emery way.
Am I right in thinking he usually plays in more attacking positions than the Ramsey role anyway so quite a big ask in your second PL game.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2024, 11:50:42 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 03, 2024, 11:52:39 AM
A game two halves excellent first anonymous second
Think we were under pressure more in the 2nd half and he was exposed a bit defensively. Thought he did well in possession and did a lot of good things though.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 03, 2024, 12:13:33 PM
Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
From the radio coverage they called him out for not tracking back and getting behind the ball. That sort of thing doesn’t appear in stats. Regardless, promising numbers so plenty of potential especially as he gets more integrated into the Emery way.
Am I right in thinking he usually plays in more attacking positions than the Ramsey role anyway so quite a big ask in your second PL game.
Yes. Up front, all across the line & as a number 10 for Boro.
There is a lot more defending to be done in Emerys side.
I would hope that similar to the defenders, once he gets used to the way Emery wants him to play for the specific positions, he will be more up to speed & perform to a higher standard.
Although, Hes also meant to be backup for Watkins too, I think. (Although I may have misread that, as not 100% sure on that).
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2024, 12:27:00 PM
Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Well he did almost score 🙂
Those numbers are impressive but clearly work to be done on the defensive side. It was his first real minutes so will take abit of time.
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2024, 12:28:00 PM
His effectiveness in defending in the 2nd half was undoubtedly affected by his early booking.Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
From the radio coverage they called him out for not tracking back and getting behind the ball. That sort of thing doesn’t appear in stats. Regardless, promising numbers so plenty of potential especially as he gets more integrated into the Emery way.
Am I right in thinking he usually plays in more attacking positions than the Ramsey role anyway so quite a big ask in your second PL game.
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 12:41:31 PM
I don't think it was . he simply wasn't doing any defending 2nd halfHis effectiveness in defending in the 2nd half was undoubtedly affected by his early booking.Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
From the radio coverage they called him out for not tracking back and getting behind the ball. That sort of thing doesn’t appear in stats. Regardless, promising numbers so plenty of potential especially as he gets more integrated into the Emery way.
Am I right in thinking he usually plays in more attacking positions than the Ramsey role anyway so quite a big ask in your second PL game.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 03, 2024, 02:36:38 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 02:59:44 PM
The jump from Championship to PL is a big one. You can see that from Burnley who walked the league being battered almost every week and will be relegated. The same applies to players, and especially those thrown in at the top end of the table. Rodgers looked very good yesterday despite what’s been asked of him. It’s clear he’s a talented player with much more to come over the next few months and years.probably needs a loan with a newly promoted team next season
Post by: Chris Smith on March 03, 2024, 03:25:10 PM
The jump from Championship to PL is a big one. You can see that from Burnley who walked the league being battered almost every week and will be relegated. The same applies to players, and especially those thrown in at the top end of the table. Rodgers looked very good yesterday despite what’s been asked of him. It’s clear he’s a talented player with much more to come over the next few months and years.probably needs a loan with a newly promoted team next season
Can’t see the point of that, he needs to be with us to work with our coaches to learn Emery’s methods and to gradually integrate himself into contention to start.
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 03:32:40 PM
maybe 6 month loan just purely for games and getting match fit and used to the pace of the league etc. I can't see him getting much Prem time with us the way we are progressing.The jump from Championship to PL is a big one. You can see that from Burnley who walked the league being battered almost every week and will be relegated. The same applies to players, and especially those thrown in at the top end of the table. Rodgers looked very good yesterday despite what’s been asked of him. It’s clear he’s a talented player with much more to come over the next few months and years.probably needs a loan with a newly promoted team next season
Can’t see the point of that, he needs to be with us to work with our coaches to learn Emery’s methods and to gradually integrate himself into contention to start.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 03, 2024, 06:58:41 PM
Agree, see him as the new Zaniolo but hopefully with more impact.The jump from Championship to PL is a big one. You can see that from Burnley who walked the league being battered almost every week and will be relegated. The same applies to players, and especially those thrown in at the top end of the table. Rodgers looked very good yesterday despite what’s been asked of him. It’s clear he’s a talented player with much more to come over the next few months and years.probably needs a loan with a newly promoted team next season
Can’t see the point of that, he needs to be with us to work with our coaches to learn Emery’s methods and to gradually integrate himself into contention to start.
Post by: Grande Pablo on March 03, 2024, 10:07:07 PM
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2024, 10:09:08 PM
He was great in the first half & unlucky not to score, but got swamped in the 2nd - not the only one. Give the lad time - pleased Emery turned to him first rather than Zaniolo or Tim.yes, favouring him over Z was encouraging, actually. Talk of a loan seems very premature.
Post by: Ian. on March 03, 2024, 10:11:08 PM
Post by: stevo_st on March 04, 2024, 01:11:30 AM
Think Rogers, like others have, will take a bit of time to get used to the way we play and the work needed off the ball
Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2024, 12:15:43 PM
He was great in the first half & unlucky not to score, but got swamped in the 2nd - not the only one. Give the lad time - pleased Emery turned to him first rather than Zaniolo or Tim.yes, favouring him over Z was encouraging, actually. Talk of a loan seems very premature.
Favouring him over Diaby though...
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 04, 2024, 06:01:52 PM
Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Goalbound shot brilliantly saved, perfect cross field ball into Bailey’s path, won the free kick that we scored from. Just off the top of my head.
Post by: Richard E on March 04, 2024, 06:02:52 PM
Whooosh!!!!Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Goalbound shot brilliantly saved, perfect cross field ball into Bailey’s path, won the free kick that we scored from. Just off the top of my head.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 04, 2024, 06:05:38 PM
Whooosh!!!!Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Goalbound shot brilliantly saved, perfect cross field ball into Bailey’s path, won the free kick that we scored from. Just off the top of my head.
Sorry. It wasn’t an unexpressed opinion.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 04, 2024, 06:09:53 PM
Whooosh!!!!Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Goalbound shot brilliantly saved, perfect cross field ball into Bailey’s path, won the free kick that we scored from. Just off the top of my head.
Sorry. It wasn’t an unexpressed opinion.
Hint: look at the thread title, look at the post.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 04, 2024, 06:25:52 PM
Whooosh!!!!Anyone who didnt think rodgers had a good game heres the stats
(https://i.ibb.co/cYh6QDd/Screenshot-20240303-113549-Facebook.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYh6QDd)
I didn’t think Rodgers did anything at all and those statistics haven’t altered my opinion.
Goalbound shot brilliantly saved, perfect cross field ball into Bailey’s path, won the free kick that we scored from. Just off the top of my head.
Sorry. It wasn’t an unexpressed opinion.
Hint: look at the thread title, look at the post.
Oh yeah.
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 04, 2024, 06:46:02 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2024, 06:48:31 PM
I think he been very poor after what 3 games, what a waste of money and I can't see Uria Emery doing anything good with the lad,I think Emery has lost that magic touch and I fear for us against Ajax
I dont agree with that a Heep
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 04, 2024, 06:54:01 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 04, 2024, 08:18:56 PM
Nor meI think he been very poor after what 3 games, what a waste of money and I can't see Uria Emery doing anything good with the lad,I think Emery has lost that magic touch and I fear for us against Ajax
I dont agree with that a Heep
Post by: Monty on March 04, 2024, 08:20:08 PM
Nor meI think he been very poor after what 3 games, what a waste of money and I can't see Uria Emery doing anything good with the lad,I think Emery has lost that magic touch and I fear for us against Ajax
I dont agree with that a Heep
At least you're 'umble about it.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 04, 2024, 08:26:32 PM
I think he been very poor after what 3 games, what a waste of money and I can't see Uria Emery doing anything good with the lad,I think Emery has lost that magic touch and I fear for us against Ajax
I take it this is sarcasm as i cant believe you are actually serious 😂
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 04, 2024, 08:35:37 PM
👍I think he been very poor after what 3 games, what a waste of money and I can't see Uria Emery doing anything good with the lad,I think Emery has lost that magic touch and I fear for us against Ajax
I take it this is sarcasm as i cant believe you are actually serious 😂
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 05, 2024, 05:00:14 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 07, 2024, 08:20:36 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 07, 2024, 08:34:06 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 07, 2024, 08:37:31 PM
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1764830840444322166?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Impressive. Strikes me as a bit Tielemans-esque, great vision and touch but could do with a bit more athleticism.
Post by: eamonn on March 07, 2024, 08:39:24 PM
He's got a great athletic build and great balance, raw but there's lots to work with and these are exactly the types of games where it's good to give him a proper run-out.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 07, 2024, 08:43:38 PM
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Post by: Paul.S on March 07, 2024, 11:52:34 PM
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Post by: Monty on March 08, 2024, 12:21:32 AM
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Post by: Steve67 on March 08, 2024, 06:42:36 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 08, 2024, 09:46:14 AM
I think he's just the latest to struggle a bit playing in the 'Ramsey' role on the left. Tielemans, Zaniolo and McGinn have all played there in Ramsey's absence and have all struggled a bit. I think the 'number 10' role would suit him.a lot more.
I think the only player who looked comfortable there, especially doing the defensive work as well as going forward, was Philogene in pre-season...
Post by: chrisw1 on March 08, 2024, 12:14:14 PM
It still feels a really strange signing to me, but hopefully he'll surprise a few people in due course.
Post by: VillaTim on March 08, 2024, 01:35:26 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 08, 2024, 08:07:13 PM
Size is on his side, not sure how pacey he is ? Not had chance to see that yet. He's obviously very raw like Duran but i'd say ahead of Duran in terms of development and miles ahead on maturity.Yea he doesnt ‘seem’ to have pace, I’d agree with that. I think he has a nice first touch and the potential. Got a bit overrun last night and second half at Luton, but very early days.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 08, 2024, 08:57:37 PM
He looks a long way off at the moment to me, which is hardly surprising given his age
It still feels a really strange signing to me, but hopefully he'll surprise a few people in due course.
It does. However, we have people who know a bit more than the likes of us. They see something that can be developed to make a player that not only fits but improves us in an area where we’re lacking. I’m finding it hard though to see how he will fit. Is he a forward, a 10, or, a midfield general in the making?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 08, 2024, 08:57:38 PM
Size is on his side, not sure how pacey he is ?
Can you knock up a chant for that using the Rolling Stones song?
Post by: Drummond on March 08, 2024, 09:02:18 PM
He looks a long way off at the moment to me, which is hardly surprising given his age
It still feels a really strange signing to me, but hopefully he'll surprise a few people in due course.
It does. However, we have people who know a bit more than the likes of us. They see something that can be developed to make a player that not only fits but improves us in an area where we’re lacking. I’m finding it hard though to see how he will fit. Is he a forward, a 10, or, a midfield general in the making?
I suspect that's why Emery likes him, versatility is the name of the game.
Post by: Dogtanian on March 09, 2024, 09:27:14 AM
I think it’s been clear he’s bought for the future, but also someone who can help out in our run-in as part of his development.
I don’t think you can really start assessing him till next season.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 09:28:26 AM
Rogers has gone from playing Rotherham at the Riverside six weeks ago, to playing Ajax on their own turf for us.It's a bizarre signing.
Post by: Clampy on March 09, 2024, 09:39:54 AM
Rogers has gone from playing Rotherham at the Riverside six weeks ago, to playing Ajax on their own turf for us.
I think it’s been clear he’s bought for the future, but also someone who can help out in our run-in as part of his development.
I don’t think you can really start assessing him till next season.
Exactly this. Emery has seen something he can work on and he hasn't cost us an absolute fortune. He's been unlucky not to score on a couple of occasions as well. As ever, a bit of patience is needed.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 09, 2024, 09:40:09 AM
Post by: Three Spires Villa on March 09, 2024, 09:41:36 AM
Rogers has gone from playing Rotherham at the Riverside six weeks ago, to playing Ajax on their own turf for us.It's a bizarre signing.
Why? I agree with most on here. You can’t judge him yet. I thought Bailey was terrible and a waste. You have got to give him a chance to see what he can do and where we eventually play him
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 09:54:43 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 09, 2024, 10:08:42 AM
Size is on his side, not sure how pacey he is ?
Can you knock up a chant for that using the Rolling Stones song?
*kisses teeth* Irma Thomas.
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2024, 11:18:29 AM
Post by: Clampy on March 09, 2024, 11:23:32 AM
It would have been nice to get Barkley back on-loan til May with Bouba out. Harsh on Luton though.
Why do you think Luton would have agreed to that?
Post by: Mister E on March 09, 2024, 11:32:31 AM
this player is nowhere near ready for this level.... and yet he could have scored against Luton and SheffU; and should have. He's not ready for the full nine yards that Emery requires but he certainly seems to have the raw material to make good.
As the guy who declared that we'd 'bought a dud' with Bailey, I can absolutely see how UE and his team might make the raw material in Rogers come good - and, when he does we'll have the added bonus of winding up the Bitters even more with our raids on their academy.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 11:35:10 AM
He's bound to have chances he's playing with very good players around him. You or I would get chances to score too if we played .this player is nowhere near ready for this level.... and yet he could have scored against Luton and SheffU; and should have. He's not ready for the full nine yards that Emery requires but he certainly seems to have the raw material to make good.
As the guy who declared that we'd 'bought a dud' with Bailey, I can absolutely see how UE and his team might make the raw material in Rogers come good - and, when he does we'll have the added bonus of winding up the Bitters even more with our raids on their academy.
Post by: Drummond on March 09, 2024, 11:35:47 AM
Rogers has gone from playing Rotherham at the Riverside six weeks ago, to playing Ajax on their own turf for us.It's a bizarre signing.
He's well known at Academy level, having been at West Brom and then Man City. He has plenty of good attributes. Why is it bizarre?
Post by: The Edge on March 09, 2024, 12:08:34 PM
That is a bizarre assessment. He's been here 5 minutes and he's been thrown in to the engine room through unfortunate injuries. As numerous posters have said on here he's going to be one for the future.Rogers has gone from playing Rotherham at the Riverside six weeks ago, to playing Ajax on their own turf for us.It's a bizarre signing.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 09, 2024, 12:19:20 PM
It would have been nice to get Barkley back on-loan til May with Bouba out. Harsh on Luton though.
Fuck no!
That useless prick had his chance at a proper club.
Luton is about bus level...
Post by: WarszaVillan on March 09, 2024, 12:21:22 PM
He's bound to have chances he's playing with very good players around him. You or I would get chances to score too if we played .this player is nowhere near ready for this level.... and yet he could have scored against Luton and SheffU; and should have. He's not ready for the full nine yards that Emery requires but he certainly seems to have the raw material to make good.
As the guy who declared that we'd 'bought a dud' with Bailey, I can absolutely see how UE and his team might make the raw material in Rogers come good - and, when he does we'll have the added bonus of winding up the Bitters even more with our raids on their academy.
No, to some extent it's the opposite. When you play with very good players you have to be able to perform at their level, which includes runs off the ball, finding space, and linking up, etc. Decent players can suddenly look lost when they are put into a team of players better than them - the test is whether they can adapt to this environment or not.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 09, 2024, 12:23:42 PM
Now thats a bizarre statement.He's bound to have chances he's playing with very good players around him. You or I would get chances to score too if we played .this player is nowhere near ready for this level.... and yet he could have scored against Luton and SheffU; and should have. He's not ready for the full nine yards that Emery requires but he certainly seems to have the raw material to make good.
As the guy who declared that we'd 'bought a dud' with Bailey, I can absolutely see how UE and his team might make the raw material in Rogers come good - and, when he does we'll have the added bonus of winding up the Bitters even more with our raids on their academy.
Post by: brontebilly on March 09, 2024, 12:26:43 PM
I agree with signing potential, but this player is nowhere near ready for this level. The fact he's coming on as a sub and then being subbed off says it all. The fact he played at Ajax is truly bizarre .
Bailey was subbed on and off against Liverpool early in the season so Rogers isn't the first. The fact he played at Ajax isn't that bizarre either given Emery rested a load of regulars and we literally have no one else.
Post by: The Edge on March 09, 2024, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah it's bizarre that we would sign a highly rated 21 year old who has been at Man City and represented his country over 40 times.I agree with signing potential, but this player is nowhere near ready for this level. The fact he's coming on as a sub and then being subbed off says it all. The fact he played at Ajax is truly bizarre .
Bailey was subbed on and off against Liverpool early in the season so Rogers isn't the first. The fact he played at Ajax isn't that bizarre either given Emery rested a load of regulars and we literally have no one else.
Post by: Richard E on March 09, 2024, 12:40:15 PM
Post by: Risso on March 09, 2024, 12:41:32 PM
I’m just hoping Rodgers doesn’t play tomorrow.
I can’t stand Rodgers. I hope he never plays a game for us.
Post by: algy on March 09, 2024, 12:46:12 PM
(Quickly googles in the hope there's a Rodgers in the U9s or something)
Post by: robleflaneur on March 09, 2024, 12:57:48 PM
Spot on.Rated by Mark Harrison who was his youth coach at Albion and by Unai.Yeah it's bizarre that we would sign a highly rated 21 year old who has been at Man City and represented his country over 40 times.I agree with signing potential, but this player is nowhere near ready for this level. The fact he's coming on as a sub and then being subbed off says it all. The fact he played at Ajax is truly bizarre .
Bailey was subbed on and off against Liverpool early in the season so Rogers isn't the first. The fact he played at Ajax isn't that bizarre either given Emery rested a load of regulars and we literally have no one else.
.He's the only player,because he was the best young player,that I can recall from the play off final between Lincoln and Blackpool.His Lincoln boss,Appleton,would later sign him on loan for Blackpool.
He's being asked to do a more defensive role that he's not best suited to.With Buendia hopefully available next year,Rogers would be back up for Watkins,Bailey and Diaby.
He's 6'3 and a very similar physical profile and career projectory to Ollie who started as a winger,a protection against the physicality of lower league football.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 09, 2024, 01:12:45 PM
I’m just hoping Rodgers doesn’t play tomorrow.Perhaps Roy?
With Trigger on the pivot?
One for the oldies there!
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 09, 2024, 01:15:49 PM
He’s touched on this in an interview where at each loan he’s had to learn new facets of the game. He came across as pretty humble and with good self-awareness so a decent chance he’ll work hard to improve.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 02:20:20 PM
Post by: frank black on March 09, 2024, 02:39:11 PM
The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 02:40:51 PM
I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Post by: The Edge on March 09, 2024, 02:44:51 PM
You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 02:48:07 PM
Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Post by: The Edge on March 09, 2024, 02:59:48 PM
Weve seen glimpses of what he's capable of. I trust Emerys judgement so we'll have to wait and see.Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Post by: frank black on March 09, 2024, 03:00:15 PM
Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
Maybe give him a little bit of time before judging 🤷♂️ It not like he’s played 5-6 games and been shite. He’s had some minutes and no way anybody can judge him either way or debate it even.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 09, 2024, 03:27:03 PM
Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
I questioned his signing, depending on the price, so Im coming into this conversation not totally convinced by the kid, but to say he looks "totally out of his depth at the moment" is just plain wrong.
He has shown he can run with the ball, he has shown he can keep the ball in tight spaces & he has shown that he can get into good spaces to be able to be create decent scoring opportunities.
Granted, yes, the defensive side of his game needs a fair bit of work & he is a bit rough around the edges all round, but he has not shown anything in his game that suggests that he is "out of his depth".
I think of him as a player that needs to work with the manager to be able to do what Emery wants him to do all round, including defensive duties.
Especially if he is to play in Ramseys position.
And I think it's very much like when new players who come into the defence, where we struggle for four or five games until they get the hang of the intricacies of Emerys system.
I don't see Rogers any different to that, albeit he may take a bit longer due to his rawness & the fact that he has never really been asked to defend before.
Unless Emery decides to switch him up to striker, similar to the route Watkins has taken.
Rogers isn't fast / fast, but he isn't a slouch & at 6'3" with a decent build to his frame, he certainly has the potential to become a striker.
He has already shown that his movement gets him into scoring positions & thats without the same level of individual coaching that Watkins has been given by Emery.
Post by: Clampy on March 09, 2024, 03:29:45 PM
Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
I questioned his signing, depending on the price, so Im coming into this conversation not totally convinced by the kid, but to say he looks "totally out of his depth at the moment" is just plain wrong.
He has shown he can run with the ball, he has shown he can keep the ball in tight spaces & he has shown that he can get into good spaces to be able to be create decent scoring opportunities.
Granted, yes, the defensive side of his game needs a fair bit of work & he is a bit rough around the edges all round, but he has not shown anything in his game that suggests that he is "out of his depth".
I think of him as a player that needs to work with the manager to be able to do what Emery wants him to do all round, including defensive duties.
Especially if he is to play in Ramseys position.
And I think it's very much like when new players who come into the defence, where we struggle for four or five games until they get the hang of the intricacies of Emerys system.
I don't see Rogers any different to that, albeit he may take a bit longer due to his rawness & the fact that he has never really been asked to defend before.
Unless Emery decides to switch him up to striker, similar to the route Watkins has taken.
Rogers isn't fast / fast, but he isn't a slouch & at 6'3" with a decent build to his frame, he certainly has the potential to become a striker.
He has already shown that his movement gets him into scoring positions & thats without Emery offering the same level of individual coaching that Watkins has been given by Emery.
All that is completely wasted on someone who it seems is going to continually slag him off. Blocking is better.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 03:38:24 PM
Well He was valued at £1m not long ago, not sure if he's worth 800% more than that all of a sudden , time will tell.Very happy to give him a chance merely debating he looks totally out of his depth at the moment.You seem very unwilling to even give the guy a chance.Has he done something to you or yours?I'm not sure he'd established himself in the championship. His stats are a bit underwhelming.The bizarre thing is, he looks like he could benefit from a year or two loan playing regularly in the Championship. Once Buendia is fit and the others are back eg. Ramsey , he's getting nowhere near a game here .
I wouldn’t be so quick to judge him. We’ve had plenty of new signings that have taken time to bed in, why should he be any different?. I don’t think playing more at a level he was obviously accomplished at would improve him. Seems to me like a decent player that’s finding his feet and adapting to a new club/level.
I questioned his signing, depending on the price, so Im coming into this conversation not totally convinced by the kid, but to say he looks "totally out of his depth at the moment" is just plain wrong.
He has shown he can run with the ball, he has shown he can keep the ball in tight spaces & he has shown that he can get into good spaces to be able to be create decent scoring opportunities.
Granted, yes, the defensive side of his game needs a fair bit of work & he is a bit rough around the edges all round, but he has not shown anything in his game that suggests that he is "out of his depth".
I think of him as a player that needs to work with the manager to be able to do what Emery wants him to do all round, including defensive duties.
Especially if he is to play in Ramseys position.
And I think it's very much like when new players who come into the defence, where we struggle for four or five games until they get the hang of the intricacies of Emerys system.
I don't see Rogers any different to that, albeit he may take a bit longer due to his rawness & the fact that he has never really been asked to defend before.
Unless Emery decides to switch him up to striker, similar to the route Watkins has taken.
Rogers isn't fast / fast, but he isn't a slouch & at 6'3" with a decent build to his frame, he certainly has the potential to become a striker.
He has already shown that his movement gets him into scoring positions & thats without the same level of individual coaching that Watkins has been given by Emery.
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2024, 03:41:30 PM
It would have been nice to get Barkley back on-loan til May with Bouba out. Harsh on Luton though.
Why do you think Luton would have agreed to that?
I don't. Just think in the form he's in and Bouba out, he'd be a great option for us.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 09, 2024, 03:57:14 PM
Well He was valued at £1m not long ago, not sure if he's worth 800% more than that all of a sudden , time will tell.
And Kamara was valued at £0 not so long ago, so contractual run down signings are generally cheap or cost nothing, so I wouldn't read anything into that.
I don't actually think £8M is too bad for a young kid with his numbers in the Championship & League Cup. I had serious doubts until I checked his numbers & they weren't too bad for £8M. Especially as he has the frame & physical attributes that can be worked with by a manager who is great at coaching individual players.
But all that aside, the point was that he hasn't looked "out of his depth" & has shown some positive signs that can be worked with.
And at the same time, accepting that there are areas of his game that are weak & definitely need working on too.
He's not the finished article. But he's not out of his depth either.
Post by: VillaTim on March 09, 2024, 05:36:48 PM
All about opinions for me he looked out of his depth vs Ajax and second half vs luton.Well He was valued at £1m not long ago, not sure if he's worth 800% more than that all of a sudden , time will tell.
And Kamara was valued at £0 not so long ago, so contractual run down signings are generally cheap or cost nothing, so I wouldn't read anything into that.
I don't actually think £8M is too bad for a young kid with his numbers in the Championship & League Cup. I had serious doubts until I checked his numbers & they weren't too bad for £8M. Especially as he has the frame & physical attributes that can be worked with by a manager who is great at coaching individual players.
But all that aside, the point was that he hasn't looked "out of his depth" & has shown some positive signs that can be worked with.
And at the same time, accepting that there are areas of his game that are weak & definitely need working on too.
He's not the finished article. But he's not out of his depth either.
Post by: The Edge on March 09, 2024, 06:29:41 PM
So you keep saying.All about opinions for me he looked out of his depth vs Ajax and second half vs luton.Well He was valued at £1m not long ago, not sure if he's worth 800% more than that all of a sudden , time will tell.
And Kamara was valued at £0 not so long ago, so contractual run down signings are generally cheap or cost nothing, so I wouldn't read anything into that.
I don't actually think £8M is too bad for a young kid with his numbers in the Championship & League Cup. I had serious doubts until I checked his numbers & they weren't too bad for £8M. Especially as he has the frame & physical attributes that can be worked with by a manager who is great at coaching individual players.
But all that aside, the point was that he hasn't looked "out of his depth" & has shown some positive signs that can be worked with.
And at the same time, accepting that there are areas of his game that are weak & definitely need working on too.
He's not the finished article. But he's not out of his depth either.
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 09, 2024, 09:03:20 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 09:57:30 PM
Zaniolo is shite
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 10:17:24 PM
Dont see the point of signing him if zaniolo is still getting game time ahead of him. Another ghing that annoyed me today was that decisionI think after Rogers 2nd half horror show at luton , Emery lost confidence in him and today obviously opted for Zaniolo instead.
Zaniolo is shite
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2024, 10:18:15 PM
Dont see the point of signing him if zaniolo is still getting game time ahead of him. Another ghing that annoyed me today was that decisionI think after Rogers 2nd half horror show at luton , Emery lost confidence in him and today obviously opted for Zaniolo instead.
Zaniolo is shite
What about all of Zaniolo's horror shows though?
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 10:26:10 PM
I don't think any of them were as bad as Rogers disappearing act last weekend in Luton.Dont see the point of signing him if zaniolo is still getting game time ahead of him. Another ghing that annoyed me today was that decisionI think after Rogers 2nd half horror show at luton , Emery lost confidence in him and today obviously opted for Zaniolo instead.
Zaniolo is shite
What about all of Zaniolo's horror shows though?
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 10:30:39 PM
Dont see the point of signing him if zaniolo is still getting game time ahead of him. Another ghing that annoyed me today was that decisionI think after Rogers 2nd half horror show at luton , Emery lost confidence in him and today obviously opted for Zaniolo instead.
Zaniolo is shite
What about all of Zaniolo's horror shows though?
Exactly. At least rodgers is our player and we can develop him. Zaniolo has no future now. Whats the point of giving him so many minutes. He adds nothing but a booking and stinky performances
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 10:31:13 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 10:34:40 PM
Ah another player to write off Tim.Not writing him off , just don't think he's ready for the Prem . I'd play him v Ajax though.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 10:37:21 PM
Ah another player to write off Tim.Not writing him off , just don't think he's ready for the Prem . I'd play him v Ajax though.
Think its a bit premature tbh. Only recently joined and one start. Zaniolos been awful near enough all season. If i was a bettee man i reckon rodgees would get more assists goals than zaniolo has if given same amount of minutes
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 10:54:54 PM
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Post by: nick harper on March 14, 2024, 11:56:53 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2024, 11:59:15 PM
Some good work tonight, I thought. He needs to learn control
I think he's so keen to impress, he's letting control slip a bit.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2024, 12:14:35 AM
He was somewhat restricted by an early booking, and then committed another foul shortly after. Sensible to take him off at half time given the referee was very card happy, but he missed a bit of an opportunity to make a bigger impression in the second half.
I thought he was going to get a second yellow for that challenge, so I think it was the right decision to take him off at half-time, though he'd been doing OK.
Post by: Dogtanian on March 15, 2024, 08:24:36 AM
For me, he has the rest of this season as a training and development period, give him the pre-season, and then we will see more of what he's made of next season.
Post by: Villafirst on March 15, 2024, 08:25:55 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 15, 2024, 08:50:43 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2024, 09:06:12 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2024, 09:07:40 AM
He shows a lot of promise , needs to cut out the silly fouls and bookings. Also he needs to learn that moving the hands in the shape of a ball and mouthing I got the ball is not going to cut it.
So doing the same thing every player claims when called back for a foul?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2024, 09:09:17 AM
Every player? you have the evidence to back that up?He shows a lot of promise , needs to cut out the silly fouls and bookings. Also he needs to learn that moving the hands in the shape of a ball and mouthing I got the ball is not going to cut it.
So doing the same thing every player claims when called back for a foul?
Post by: john e on March 15, 2024, 09:11:11 AM
but I suppose that’s why the manager and back room staff are making a living from football and I’m selling old Lorries for a living
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 15, 2024, 09:17:51 AM
Post by: dave shelley on March 15, 2024, 09:18:35 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 15, 2024, 09:20:21 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 15, 2024, 09:20:25 AM
They must have seen something in him that I’m not quite seeing at the moment to justify the outlay
but I suppose that’s why the manager and back room staff are making a living from football and I’m selling old Lorries for a living
Well articulated, John.
Post by: Clampy on March 15, 2024, 09:22:39 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 15, 2024, 09:22:59 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 15, 2024, 09:26:59 AM
Post by: dr.chekov on March 15, 2024, 09:29:42 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2024, 09:42:12 AM
Every player? you have the evidence to back that up?He shows a lot of promise , needs to cut out the silly fouls and bookings. Also he needs to learn that moving the hands in the shape of a ball and mouthing I got the ball is not going to cut it.
So doing the same thing every player claims when called back for a foul?
Maybe don't be too literal as that is how the FBI might get called over an imagined death threat. Or maybe just watch any match and I guarantee you will see a player pointing to the ball or other indication that it "wasn't a foul ref honest", the same as they claim the ball when it goes out of play for their team even when it hasn't.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 15, 2024, 09:43:06 AM
I think he will be good but time to acclimatise is needed
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2024, 09:46:38 AM
I can absolutely see something in him. He had a couple of really nice carries with the ball last night and some lovely link up with Diaby. But unsurprisingly he’s very raw and needs to work on his game.
Obviously only seeing the highlights but the good efforts in the first half shown seemed to have him driving forward with the ball. He not only looks a bit like Ramsey in appearance, but also seems to play like him as well, even down to not being as effective when not on the ball.
Post by: London Villan on March 15, 2024, 09:49:12 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 15, 2024, 09:49:45 AM
Yes, he's good at picking up the ball from broken play and driving forward. Very Ramsey esk in that way.I can absolutely see something in him. He had a couple of really nice carries with the ball last night and some lovely link up with Diaby. But unsurprisingly he’s very raw and needs to work on his game.
Obviously only seeing the highlights but the good efforts in the first half shown seemed to have him driving forward with the ball. He not only looks a bit like Ramsey in appearance, but also seems to play like him as well, even down to not being as effective when not on the ball.
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2024, 09:57:55 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 15, 2024, 10:11:14 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2024, 10:16:11 AM
Yes, he's good at picking up the ball from broken play and driving forward. Very Ramsey esk in that way.I can absolutely see something in him. He had a couple of really nice carries with the ball last night and some lovely link up with Diaby. But unsurprisingly he’s very raw and needs to work on his game.
Obviously only seeing the highlights but the good efforts in the first half shown seemed to have him driving forward with the ball. He not only looks a bit like Ramsey in appearance, but also seems to play like him as well, even down to not being as effective when not on the ball.
Agree with the Ramsey comparison. I think he's looked promising when he's got the ball in pretty much every game he's played. Just think the defensive side of his game is a bit weak at the moment, especially if he's going to play on the left side of midfield, but that's something he can work on and improve.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 15, 2024, 10:31:41 AM
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2024, 10:32:04 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 15, 2024, 10:39:23 AM
Post by: Martyn Smith on March 15, 2024, 10:40:11 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2024, 10:59:37 AM
I really do not know what your problem with me is but give it a rest.Every player? you have the evidence to back that up?He shows a lot of promise , needs to cut out the silly fouls and bookings. Also he needs to learn that moving the hands in the shape of a ball and mouthing I got the ball is not going to cut it.
So doing the same thing every player claims when called back for a foul?
Maybe don't be too literal as that is how the FBI might get called over an imagined death threat. Or maybe just watch any match and I guarantee you will see a player pointing to the ball or other indication that it "wasn't a foul ref honest", the same as they claim the ball when it goes out of play for their team even when it hasn't.
Post by: Clampy on March 15, 2024, 11:04:23 AM
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2024, 11:05:15 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 15, 2024, 11:23:05 AM
I cant blame him too much for the defensive side of his game last night as that was down to more shitty officiating.
But he held the ball well, ran with it well, passed it well, was creative, had a decent chance & I think it's only time before he is a very solid attacking squad option.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 15, 2024, 11:29:01 AM
Whilst he was on I liked the look of him, loved that bit when he collected a vertical pass and drove through the middle before getting a bit excited and firing wildly over. He's got something, the ability to carry the ball through the midfield.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 15, 2024, 11:30:43 AM
Post by: LeeB on March 15, 2024, 11:43:02 AM
Given the ref was at the same level of twat as the last few we've had, I was almost certain he was going to get a second yellow for that nibble at the fella ankles over on the Witton side, can fully understand him getting dragged and I thought Youri did well in his place, particularly in making that knob Henderson look a mug a few times.
Whilst he was on I liked the look of him, loved that bit when he collected a vertical pass and drove through the middle before getting a bit excited and firing wildly over. He's got something, the ability to carry the ball through the midfield.
Once he gets in front of his opponent he's strong enough to hold them off as they chase as well.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2024, 11:48:13 AM
I get the feeling that that half time substitution was planned
Don't think so. He was fortunate not to get a second yellow in the first half, so I'm sure it was done as they didn't want to risk going down to ten.
Post by: Malandro on March 15, 2024, 12:02:21 PM
I'll forgive trying too hard all day long, compared to the alternative.
Ah yes, the Italian.
Post by: Dogtanian on March 15, 2024, 12:03:15 PM
I'll forgive trying too hard all day long, compared to the alternative.
Ah yes, the Italian.
The flip-hot Italian?
Post by: London Villan on March 15, 2024, 12:49:46 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 15, 2024, 12:54:41 PM
Definitely not planned, he told one of the media team on the bench it was because of the card.
He was lucky to get away with one after he had already been booked in fairness
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 15, 2024, 11:01:57 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on March 16, 2024, 02:09:29 AM
Looks good. He could have easily scored in every appearance for us so far, so I’m hugely optimistic about his future after he puts his first one away.
I agree. He has the attributes required to succeed.
Post by: supertom on March 17, 2024, 04:15:50 PM
If we find ourselves a couple of goals up and cruising, bring him on but I think he's a risk at the minute. They were really getting at Rogers and Moreno first half.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 17, 2024, 04:20:46 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 17, 2024, 04:21:39 PM
I think it's too soon for him to be starting. He's showing some good touches but can lack composure in attack and he's being targeted the other way. Wasn't bad today but if we're gonna chuck a kid, there's probably more benefit to big Tim filling a gap in the middle at the moment. And certainly, Diaby would offer a lot more in attack.
If we find ourselves a couple of goals up and cruising, bring him on but I think he's a risk at the minute. They were really getting at Rogers and Moreno first half.
Or at least start Digne behind him.
Post by: London Villan on March 17, 2024, 04:22:10 PM
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Post by: Demitri_C on March 17, 2024, 06:26:24 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 17, 2024, 10:07:08 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 17, 2024, 10:09:21 PM
I’m just worried that he is JJs replacement and at the moment just not up to the grade - it takes timeWhy do you think Ramsey is going ?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 23, 2024, 02:53:10 AM
https://x.com/england/status/1771169454098977194?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: jwarry on March 23, 2024, 06:23:51 AM
Lovely assist for the U21s.
https://x.com/england/status/1771169454098977194?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Clearly has ability - almost İbrahimoviç like. Just need Unai to make him ‘consistent’
Post by: Dogtanian on March 23, 2024, 07:56:21 AM
I’m looking forward to seeing him next season.
Post by: Ian. on March 23, 2024, 09:06:26 AM
If we Bailey and Watkins remain in amazing form and somehow get Ramsey fit that’s a very strong attacking team.
Post by: Steve67 on March 23, 2024, 10:58:45 AM
Post by: itbrvilla on March 23, 2024, 11:21:46 AM
I agree, Ian. Rogers definitely has some quality about him. He will only get better with top class coaching and better players around him and of course the Unai factor.Met a Boro fan in the pub for the Ajax game who said he was gutted to lose him. Said he'll be class.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 23, 2024, 11:42:35 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 23, 2024, 12:44:28 PM
Post by: Steve67 on March 23, 2024, 01:37:55 PM
He has the collymores about him on the ball to me
I thought that too.
Post by: dekko on March 23, 2024, 01:38:53 PM
He has the collymores about him on the ball to me
Can you elaborate on this a bit, Collymore was before my time.
Post by: Steve67 on March 23, 2024, 01:44:33 PM
He has the collymores about him on the ball to me
Can you elaborate on this a bit, Collymore was before my time.
Big but quick, skillful, mazy runs, difficult to shove off the ball. Rogers has some way to go, but there are some similarities.
Post by: paul_e on March 23, 2024, 01:55:03 PM
Interesting that he was playing as a centre forward, I think that's definitely where he'll end up.
Post by: Risso on March 23, 2024, 03:14:59 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 23, 2024, 04:28:20 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 23, 2024, 05:00:44 PM
Post by: Beard82 on March 23, 2024, 06:39:47 PM
Big jump for him - but seems to get in the right places a lot and has some strength - which is much needed.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2024, 09:11:31 PM
Post by: Beard82 on March 26, 2024, 09:26:36 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 26, 2024, 11:09:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Unaiball/status/1772727480417243283
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 27, 2024, 08:25:46 AM
Madueke looks a special talent. He really could do with moving to a big club to fulfil his potential.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 27, 2024, 12:27:11 PM
Pleased for Rogers, that second one was calm as you like.
Madueke looks a special talent. He really could do with moving to a big club to fulfil his potential.
Nice to get a couple of goals from the bench. Not sure of the quality of Luxembourg though...
Madueke reminds me of Philogene.
Lots of pace, lots of skill, but with inconsistent end product.
Great on the ball though.
Post by: Risso on March 27, 2024, 12:42:21 PM
Post by: Ads on March 27, 2024, 12:58:34 PM
Post by: Drummond on March 27, 2024, 01:52:19 PM
Yeah I agree. There's definitely something in there with a natural quality, which when you combine his physical presence, could make him a monster for us in a year or too. Hopefully with JJ still in the side. Absolute nails them pair.
I agree with you both. It's another sign of planning for the future, which I'm all for.
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2024, 02:57:31 PM
Pleased for Rogers, that second one was calm as you like.
Madueke looks a special talent. He really could do with moving to a big club to fulfil his potential.
Nice to get a couple of goals from the bench. Not sure of the quality of Luxembourg though...
Madueke reminds me of Philogene.
Lots of pace, lots of skill, but with inconsistent end product.
Great on the ball though.
Philogene now has consistent end-product. Hopefully we see it with us in the Premier League next season.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 27, 2024, 05:08:55 PM
I hope he does return.
I thought he looked decent for us pre-season & is the perfect Ramsey cover & competition.
Post by: Richard E on March 31, 2024, 06:29:57 AM
Post by: PhilVill on March 31, 2024, 06:38:32 AM
Post by: Villafirst on March 31, 2024, 07:05:06 AM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on March 31, 2024, 08:43:33 AM
Looks best further up, but also the way he carried it forward a couple of times yesterday reminded me of JJ, so can see why Unai played him where he did.
Looks a great prospect
Post by: PeterWithe on March 31, 2024, 08:52:21 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 31, 2024, 09:33:42 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on March 31, 2024, 10:00:14 AM
The amount of times he had to be in Moreno’s spot blocking crosses from their right winger yesterday baffled me, with Moreno nowhere to be seen 🤯
Post by: Dogtanian on March 31, 2024, 10:41:30 AM
He did really well going past people and physically defending the ball, only to hold it a tad too long and miss the pass to continue the move. He wins the free kick, yes, but there are times when releasing the ball would have put us at a better advantage than a free kick well outside the area.
He’ll get better at that as he’s coached, and should progress a lot for next season.
Post by: AV84 on March 31, 2024, 10:53:05 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 31, 2024, 11:00:06 AM
He looks like he's really got something when he's carrying the ball but we need to think of his best position as that wasn't it yesterday, he switched off constantly and let the opposition overload Moreno. Promising though.
From what I've seen so far, I think the 'number 10' role would suit him perfectly. He would be able to get on the ball in that area between the opposition midfield and defence and drive with the ball, which he looks good at.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 31, 2024, 11:32:20 AM
There's definitely lots of potential to work on. He looks very strong physically. He burst past their midfield in one run, Sarabia ended up nearly pulling his shirt off his back and got booked.
The dude before Sarabia fouled him too.
I think that five minute passage of play summed up Rogers at the moment for me.
Dynamic & powerful running, showing lots of potential.
But defensively, he didn't track back enough & allowed Semedo to go past him & cause problems for Moreno.
But there is certainly something strong, powerful, with a touch of finesse to build on & a good pre-season with us should benefit him a lot.
Post by: colin69 on March 31, 2024, 12:07:48 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 31, 2024, 12:13:07 PM
Post by: Ian. on March 31, 2024, 12:15:22 PM
He looks like he's going to be a player once Emery's been to work on him.
I agree, I’ve got a very good feeling about him. He’s been asked to play a very different game at the moment but he’s settling in very well. I reckon further forward he’s going to be a massive threat.
Post by: robleflaneur on March 31, 2024, 12:34:44 PM
Totally agree with these comments.I think Emery made a mistake,is that possible ?,starting Moreno and Rogers on the left.He looks like he's going to be a player once Emery's been to work on him.
I agree, I’ve got a very good feeling about him. He’s been asked to play a very different game at the moment but he’s settling in very well. I reckon further forward he’s going to be a massive threat.
Rogers on the ball,however,looked sensational.He will be very good in a more advanced role.
Post by: chrisw1 on March 31, 2024, 01:10:29 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 31, 2024, 06:58:10 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 31, 2024, 07:04:06 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 31, 2024, 07:07:49 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on March 31, 2024, 07:09:45 PM
Is he here as the Ramsay replacement and to help with FFP?
No-one has really been able to properly replace Ramsey in that role so far. There is, however, a certain player at another club who could be very suited to it.
Post by: OCD on March 31, 2024, 09:40:59 PM
Is he here as the Ramsay replacement and to help with FFP?
That thought has crossed my mind too.
Post by: Drummond on March 31, 2024, 10:03:49 PM
Surely the ref should have booked both wolves players that pulled him back during the movement. After all he though the first one was a foul but because Rogers skilled out of it, he waved play on only for the second to pull him back.
Absolutely, both were bookable offences.
Post by: SaddVillan on April 01, 2024, 05:56:45 PM
Is he here as the Ramsay replacement and to help with FFP?
The Guardian seems to be thinking along the same lines:
Villa looking to squad depth
Aston Villa may have to sell big this summer, having posted a loss of £119.6m in their 2022-23 accounts, but their succession planning looks a lot healthier than most of their Midlands rivals. Wolves, whose five frontline injuries necessitated the inclusion of seven academy players in their matchday squad, only squeaked in under the Premier League’s permitted-losses barrier by offloading £150m worth of talent last summer. Nottingham Forest have been docked four points; Leicester City are also facing punishment. Clubs are allowed to lose up to £105m over a three-year period but even if Villa’s claim that their latest figures “are in line with the strategic business plan” looks dubious, their squad depth suggests they need not panic. If they sold Jacob Ramsey or Leon Bailey for £50m, they have the likes of Morgan Rogers, who cost an initial £8m from Middlesbrough in January, bursting through. Pete Lansley
That thought has crossed my mind too.
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2024, 06:28:40 PM
Why would we sell either for 50m unless they had a release clause? This season Bailey has been Grealishesque - and selling Ramsey after this season would be stupid as he has hardly played - but last summer he had to be worth 70m+Is he here as the Ramsay replacement and to help with FFP?
The Guardian seems to be thinking along the same lines:
Villa looking to squad depth
Aston Villa may have to sell big this summer, having posted a loss of £119.6m in their 2022-23 accounts, but their succession planning looks a lot healthier than most of their Midlands rivals. Wolves, whose five frontline injuries necessitated the inclusion of seven academy players in their matchday squad, only squeaked in under the Premier League’s permitted-losses barrier by offloading £150m worth of talent last summer. Nottingham Forest have been docked four points; Leicester City are also facing punishment. Clubs are allowed to lose up to £105m over a three-year period but even if Villa’s claim that their latest figures “are in line with the strategic business plan” looks dubious, their squad depth suggests they need not panic. If they sold Jacob Ramsey or Leon Bailey for £50m, they have the likes of Morgan Rogers, who cost an initial £8m from Middlesbrough in January, bursting through. Pete Lansley
That thought has crossed my mind too.
Sooner FFP goes the better - absolute shambles that harms so many aspects of the game.
Post by: OCD on April 01, 2024, 07:45:24 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on April 01, 2024, 09:37:28 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2024/03/31/aston-villa-ace-morgan-rogers-unai-emery-tells-me-im-still-a-championship-player/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2024/03/31/aston-villa-ace-morgan-rogers-unai-emery-tells-me-im-still-a-championship-player/)
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2024, 10:49:28 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 05, 2024, 12:09:19 AM
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1776023515767898406
Post by: Steve67 on April 05, 2024, 10:50:32 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on April 05, 2024, 10:59:56 AM
Saw someone the other day liken him to Stan Collymore in the way he collects and moves with the ball and I can see that.
Post by: OCD on April 05, 2024, 11:12:10 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 05, 2024, 11:17:59 AM
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2024, 11:19:46 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on April 05, 2024, 12:34:17 PM
He was excellent at Man City.
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1776023515767898406
There's a Buendianess about him we have missed.
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2024, 02:43:53 PM
I don't think Ramsey has been very good in the few games he's played this season. It's almost certainly because his foot hasn't been right, but he's been nowhere near his best. There were signs he was getting back to form, but that foot obviously has never been right, and I reckon that's it for him this season. If they need to re-operate and make sure it's healed so he can have a pre-season and go into next season fully fit, then that's what they should do. It very, very clearly isn't a "small injury' though.
One of those rare occasions where I’n right, sadly.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 05, 2024, 05:38:33 PM
I don't think Ramsey has been very good in the few games he's played this season. It's almost certainly because his foot hasn't been right, but he's been nowhere near his best. There were signs he was getting back to form, but that foot obviously has never been right, and I reckon that's it for him this season. If they need to re-operate and make sure it's healed so he can have a pre-season and go into next season fully fit, then that's what they should do. It very, very clearly isn't a "small injury' though.
One of those rare occasions where I’n right, sadly.
I did notice the sudden cold in Dis the other day.
Post by: Richard E on April 05, 2024, 05:44:50 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 06, 2024, 11:28:20 AM
I like him in that 'number 10' role. Think he's far more suited to that than the 'Ramsey' role as he doesn't have to do as much defensive work.
Saw someone the other day liken him to Stan Collymore in the way he collects and moves with the ball and I can see that.
Stan had that critical burst of acceleration though, Rogers doesn't have it. Rogers does have a lovely weight of pass on him, that was a quality assist the other night. He's a big unit too, no one is getting the ball off him handy especially when he gets turned on it.
I do think he has a big summer ahead in the gym to get to the physical level Emery needs.
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2024, 11:36:10 AM
I do think he has a big summer ahead in the gym to get to the physical level Emery needs.
Not sure about that, he's big and physical enough, any more and he's going to be too bulky and will lose whatever speed he has. I'd say he needs to work on overall fitness and acceleration.
Post by: Smithy on April 06, 2024, 12:40:44 PM
I do think he has a big summer ahead in the gym to get to the physical level Emery needs.
Not sure about that, he's big and physical enough, any more and he's going to be too bulky and will lose whatever speed he has. I'd say he needs to work on overall fitness and acceleration.
Yep, if he could find a burst to make him a yard quicker over the first 10 yards, he'd be a beast. He has everything else he needs already. A burst of acceleration and some coaching is all he's missing from being a top player at this level. I do wonder if this is what Monchi/Unai have seen in him, potential-wise.
Is there a way to do the exact opposite of what Gabby did that summer when he discovered body building?
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 06, 2024, 04:05:15 PM
Morgan Rogers will score tomorrow.Foresight !!
That's a brilliant goal and Richard that's quite a brilliant shout !
Left footed wonder! And wonder prediction !
Great work!
Up the Villa!
Post by: Villafirst on April 06, 2024, 06:22:27 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on April 06, 2024, 07:00:04 PM
Morgan Rogers will score tomorrow..can you also make that prediction for Thursday night please
Rodgers goal was brilliant. After brentford scored he literally disappeared. Barrjng the goal i thought he wasnt good 2nd half like 1st
Post by: manic-road on April 06, 2024, 07:02:11 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2024, 07:06:03 PM
.can you also make that prediction for Thursday night please
Rodgers goal was brilliant. After brentford scored he literally disappeared. Barrjng the goal i thought he wasnt good 2nd half like 1st
Rogers.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on April 06, 2024, 07:24:16 PM
Great signing.
Post by: Villafirst on April 06, 2024, 07:28:01 PM
Morgan Rogers will score tomorrow..can you also make that prediction for Thursday night please
Rodgers goal was brilliant. After brentford scored he literally disappeared. Barrjng the goal i thought he wasnt good 2nd half like 1st
I don't think you can single him out for that 15 minute spell when we conceded 3 goals. The whole team switched off in that period of play. His transition from the championship into the pace and intensity of the Premier League has been very impressive.
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 06, 2024, 07:47:15 PM
Having had a chance to see him over a spell of games, I really, really like the look of him. He's got everything he needs in his locker - touch, technique, strength, composure, work rate - and has settled in really quickly and showed bags of maturity. He's going to be an important player for us over the years.
An excellent signing.
Post by: Drummond on April 06, 2024, 07:51:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 06, 2024, 07:53:17 PM
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2024, 08:06:06 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on April 06, 2024, 08:24:15 PM
.can you also make that prediction for Thursday night please
Rodgers goal was brilliant. After brentford scored he literally disappeared. Barrjng the goal i thought he wasnt good 2nd half like 1st
Rogers.
I see what you did there 😏
Post by: Smirker on April 06, 2024, 08:24:36 PM
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 06, 2024, 08:31:08 PM
Post by: oldhill_avfc on April 06, 2024, 08:53:05 PM
We don't miss Ramsey with him in the team.
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
We do. Massively.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2024, 09:16:04 PM
.can you also make that prediction for Thursday night please
Rodgers goal was brilliant. After brentford scored he literally disappeared. Barrjng the goal i thought he wasnt good 2nd half like 1st
Rogers.
I see what you did there 😏
Maybe I should have gone for that username instead, the initials would have worked better. :)
Post by: Smirker on April 06, 2024, 09:19:23 PM
We don't miss Ramsey with him in the team.
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
We do. Massively.
We don't.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 06, 2024, 09:23:26 PM
He is not on Ramsey's level.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 06, 2024, 09:25:50 PM
He played well today but faded after his goal - didn't many.
He is not on Ramsey's level.
Bit early to judge that. A. he’s already showing remarkable progression, so his ceiling is potentially very high and b. We’ve no idea what level JJ will manage when he’s back.
Post by: Villan82 on April 06, 2024, 09:32:56 PM
Post by: Steve67 on April 06, 2024, 09:51:40 PM
We don't miss Ramsey with him in the team.
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
We do. Massively.
We don't.
We miss having the option. Ramsey was just getting back up to speed when he got injured again and to have him available now that Luiz is suspended would be helpful.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 06, 2024, 11:13:40 PM
He played well today but faded after his goal - didn't many.
He is not on Ramsey's level.
Bit early to judge that. A. he’s already showing remarkable progression, so his ceiling is potentially very high and b. We’ve no idea what level JJ will manage when he’s back.
I meant not yet - others are saying we aren't missing Ramsey. We are overall.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 06, 2024, 11:20:17 PM
Don’t think his defensive play is great though.
Post by: eamonn on April 06, 2024, 11:30:50 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 07, 2024, 08:11:35 AM
Emery's subs today were whack. Our best player today full of confidence and he's subbed for misfit Zaniolo. Then we wait til the 90th minute before finally launching Duran and giving their broute centre backs something new to handle.
I don’t think Rogers has 90 minutes in him yet. He is being asked to cover more ground in midfield than he would as an all-out attacker. There’s definitely a player in there though. Not sure why the Boro fans seemed so happy for him to leave.
Post by: Ads on April 07, 2024, 08:19:06 AM
One of the bright spots in the team at the moment, he’s been excellent.
He really has. He's really rough round the edges, but you can see the sparks from Emery's lathe flying with him. He'll be a proper player.
Post by: LeonW on April 07, 2024, 08:39:58 AM
One of the bright spots in the team at the moment, he’s been excellent.
He really has. He's really rough round the edges, but you can see the sparks from Emery's lathe flying with him. He'll be a proper player.
Yes. You can see there’s something there. Against Wolves he glided past players with ease despite their attempts to bring him down. Yesterday he got a lovely goal. I think he’ll prove to be a bargain in time. You can see that in the way he carries the fight to the opposition with his ball carrying it will help is defensively in the future.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 07, 2024, 08:56:32 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on April 07, 2024, 09:58:56 AM
I like him a lot, you see an improvement in him every game.
I agree, it was also noticeable that he was getting a lot of instruction from the dugout about his positioning throughout his time on the pitch. He looks great on the ball, works hard and seems to have the right attitude.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 07, 2024, 12:00:33 PM
The work Emery has done with the likes of Douglas Luiz, Watkins, Bailey, etc, suggest that if any manager can help him fulfil that potential, it is him.
Maybe thats what the club thought too when they saw something in him & purchased him.
Post by: eamonn on April 07, 2024, 02:12:15 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 07, 2024, 02:41:57 PM
I think he was viewed as a stronger prospect when he was 18-ish.
He dropped off a little after his Bournemouth & Blackpool loans in my humble opinion.
But we can agree to disagree.
Either way, I think we can both agree that Emery could mould him into a very good player over time... 👍
Post by: Clampy on April 07, 2024, 03:00:13 PM
I do.
I think he was viewed as a stronger prospect when he was 18-ish.
He dropped off a little after his Bournemouth & Blackpool loans in my humble opinion.
But we can agree to disagree.
Either way, I think we can both agree that Emery could mould him into a very good player over time... 👍
Tracking a future Villa player whilst on loan at Bournemouth and Blackpool. Now that's foresight!
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 07, 2024, 03:14:11 PM
Nah, he is just a player that I noticed a few years back because of the hype, so I watched a couple of games with him & Brennan Johnson when they were both at Lincoln.
Johnson definitely stood out more between the two, probably due to his pace, but Rogers physicality was impressive for a youngster.
I followed the news & reviews for both of them a bit after they left Lincoln.
But, it's not like I had scouting reports on them in my filing cabinet, lol. 😉
Youth football & strong prospects interests me quite a bit, which is why Villa being forced to sell our academy players due to FFP is pissing me off quite a lot...
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 07, 2024, 07:58:01 PM
Post by: SteveN on April 07, 2024, 08:10:14 PM
Post by: colin69 on April 07, 2024, 08:24:38 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 07, 2024, 10:05:22 PM
He also cost in today’s market next to nothing. What was it £8-10m plus a bit more based on hitting objectives. Even if he’s a complete miss, and there is nothing to suggest he will be, it’s not going to be load of money we’ve wasted.
Yeah, I had to come to the realisation that the fee was actually quite decent for a kid with potential & his numbers after I actually checked the stats.
I went off what I thought they were originally & was pleasantly surprised when I checked them. Taught me a lesson to check the numbers before forming my opinion too, lol.
So far, & while its still early days, so far his form suggests that once Emery has finished coaching him that fee could be an absolute bargain...
Post by: darren woolley on April 08, 2024, 09:16:23 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on April 08, 2024, 05:42:44 PM
Post by: Mister E on April 08, 2024, 06:26:48 PM
There are some deals to be had in the lower divisions worth taking a punt on. Rogers obviously one and I have been impressed from what I have seen by Plymouth’s Morgan Whittaker.I gather there's a lad called Philogene whom several Premier League clubs are looking at ...
Post by: Somniloquism on April 08, 2024, 06:44:22 PM
He was criticised for not tracking back and supporting Moreno last time he played on the left, he did a lot better this time, positive signs. The goal will give him some real confidence and drive to finish the season strongly. I wonder if his substition was with an eye on upcoming fixtures and the season ending injury for Ramsey. I can't imagine Zaniolo will start on Thursday and he's still new to the pace and pressure of top level football, we can't afford to have him break down on the run in.
Well it was Digne on the left on Saturday so did he track back or did we have a better defender so it he didn't have to/ wasn't noticed as much. I don't know what play happened before the first goal (corner or something), but Digne was on the right with Tielemans defending a throw-in, two of their defenders was in the centre of the box and Rogers was ambling back from the halfway line. I'm not having ago, just wondering why they had so many forward then and the right hand side was bear of any of our players. Give him credit, he did run back when the ball was almost cleared by Wissa, and the secondary danger unfolded, but if he had been back defending more when the Throw-in was given to them, he might have won that ball or did a better stop of the secondary ball and those 9 mins don't happen.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 08, 2024, 06:46:07 PM
There are some deals to be had in the lower divisions worth taking a punt on. Rogers obviously one and I have been impressed from what I have seen by Plymouth’s Morgan Whittaker.I gather there's a lad called Philogene whom several Premier League clubs are looking at ...
Leeds Archie Gray right back /midfielder
Ipswich Leif Davies - left back
Swansea Nathan Wood centre back
Post by: andyh on April 09, 2024, 06:57:42 AM
For me, shades of Collymore.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 09, 2024, 09:06:50 AM
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2024, 09:08:54 AM
I wonder if Unai and the team see him as someone they can mould into a new Ollie?
I wouldn't have said so. He doesn't look like an out-and-out striker to me, and he doesn't look quick enough for a start. He's strong, with good balance and quick feet, so one of the attacking positions for sure, but not our main forward.
Post by: Smithy on April 09, 2024, 11:49:48 AM
I am really excited about this kid.
For me, shades of Collymore.
Would be nice if he could become that sort of player! Collymore also had a quiet few years (including being let go at 21 by Palace) before taking off with Forest.
I do sometimes wonder if it just takes a bit longer for the bigger, more physical players to hit their stride. The players who burst onto the scene as teenagers all generally tend to be quite small, and have finished their growing by about 18 - they are the finished product, physically speaking, at that age. Whereas the bigger units like Morgan continue to grow until 20-21, which must make it harder for them to really push on to the required technical/physical levels?
His improvement already is pretty impressive. Imagine what he could be like this time next year?
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 09, 2024, 11:58:18 AM
I wonder if Unai and the team see him as someone they can mould into a new Ollie?
I wouldn't have said so. He doesn't look like an out-and-out striker to me, and he doesn't look quick enough for a start. He's strong, with good balance and quick feet, so one of the attacking positions for sure, but not our main forward.
Behind Watkins or someone like him would be best.
He has vision & likes a threaded through ball, to add to his ability to drive forward with the ball.
That best suits a fast striker to chase them.
I wonder what we would be like if we switched Bailey to the left, Diaby on the right, & Rogers sat just behind Watkins. Then behind them, McGinn & Douglas Luiz.
Would give pace all around Rogers to chase through balls, especially on the wings, running ability with the ball from all three behind Watkins, etc, etc...
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 09, 2024, 12:01:13 PM
I do sometimes wonder if it just takes a bit longer for the bigger, more physical players to hit their stride. The players who burst onto the scene as teenagers all generally tend to be quite small, and have finished their growing by about 18 - they are the finished product, physically speaking, at that age. Whereas the bigger units like Morgan continue to grow until 20-21, which must make it harder for them to really push on to the required technical/physical levels?
His improvement already is pretty impressive. Imagine what he could be like this time next year?
There might be something to the stronger players having a more difficult time adapting to mens football too, because they have dominated so much at youth level, that jump to the mens game is all the more difficult.
And while they have the physical attributes to compete, the mental side of the game not being so easy as it was at youth level cant be good on a young kids confidence.
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2024, 12:05:49 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 09, 2024, 12:11:32 PM
Maybe Im thinking of the pacy ones...
I suppose it depends on the player, I guess.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 09, 2024, 01:39:27 PM
All the players wear those electronic devices in what looks like a bra which records and reports all their physical outputs, breathing, stamina etc whilst a group of analysts watch on and they can see when players are reaching their limits - hence some players it seems strange that they are pulled off. Tiredness can lead to all sorts of muscle injuries, cramp and going late into tackles etc
I think Morgan was shot when he came off
Post by: Smithy on April 09, 2024, 01:42:46 PM
Is that true though? We've bought up loads of promising kids, but the thing that seems to put the brakes on is that a lot of them are quite small, eg Archer, Barry, Wilson etc. The lads who seem to be more Premier League ready are the physically bigger players like Iroegbunam and Chukwuemeka.
Chukwuemeka Snr was Rogers-sized and nowhere near good enough. Maybe I'm just guilty of mistaking correlation for causation, but it just seems that "generally speaking" the youngest players who become first-team regulars, across the league and not just for us, tend to be the smaller ones who have already stopped growing and so are more physically mature (even if still "small").
Kobie Mainoo is another example. Quite small, and I'll bet he's no bigger at 21 than he is at 18. Whereas 6 ft 3 Paul Pogba left the same club before he was 20 because he wasn't considered "premier league ready", before maturing into an £80m player at Juve.
It feels like the majority of very young players who have become Premier League regulars over the years are small. Not all, but the majority. Recently, there have been the likes of Harvey Elliot, Foden, Garnacho, Saka and Rico Lewis. Going back further you've got the likes of Rooney and Owen, Aaron Lennon, Jack Wilshere. All small-ish players who broke through very young and never went beyond 5'9"-ish. Even our own Jack Grealish didn't really become a first-team regular until just before his 20th birthday, when he'd filled out and grown a bit.
I just think for some of the bigger players (or players still growing) it takes a while to physically mature, playing at 21 in a body that is unrecognisable to the one they played in at 17 - whereas some other players are exactly the same at 21 as they were at 17 - and they're the ones who break through quicker.
There are exceptions, of course. Evan Ferguson is the one who springs to mind right now, but it will be interesting to see how much bigger he is at 21 compared to his debut at 18. It's why I'm always loathe to write off promising youth players until they're 21-ish, as I always think a growing player who was brilliant at 18 can have a couple of fallow years before they come back strongly in their early twenties.
Anyway, here's hoping Rogers is the second coming of Collymore (the Forest version, and the one we got when he wasn't fighting his demons!)
Post by: Vegas on April 09, 2024, 01:59:37 PM
There are some deals to be had in the lower divisions worth taking a punt on. Rogers obviously one and I have been impressed from what I have seen by Plymouth’s Morgan Whittaker.I gather there's a lad called Philogene whom several Premier League clubs are looking at ...
Leeds Archie Gray right back /midfielder
Ipswich Leif Davies - left back
Swansea Nathan Wood centre back
Archie Gray is not a “deal to be had, worth taking a punt on”. He will probably go for more than our record transfer, possibly to Real Madrid.
Post by: LeeB on April 09, 2024, 02:08:37 PM
There are some deals to be had in the lower divisions worth taking a punt on. Rogers obviously one and I have been impressed from what I have seen by Plymouth’s Morgan Whittaker.I gather there's a lad called Philogene whom several Premier League clubs are looking at ...
Leeds Archie Gray right back /midfielder
Ipswich Leif Davies - left back
Swansea Nathan Wood centre back
Archie Gray is not a “deal to be had, worth taking a punt on”. He will probably go for more than our record transfer, possibly to Real Madrid.
Or Wulvz. Someone of that ilk.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 10, 2024, 12:48:04 AM
There are some deals to be had in the lower divisions worth taking a punt on. Rogers obviously one and I have been impressed from what I have seen by Plymouth’s Morgan Whittaker.I gather there's a lad called Philogene whom several Premier League clubs are looking at ...
Leeds Archie Gray right back /midfielder
Ipswich Leif Davies - left back
Swansea Nathan Wood centre back
Archie Gray is not a “deal to be had, worth taking a punt on”. He will probably go for more than our record transfer, possibly to Real Madrid.
Wow, I didn’t realise he was that good. I must watch a Leeds game one of these days. I think I watched them over the Easter weekend but I didn’t really notice Gray.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 10, 2024, 12:59:52 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 10, 2024, 02:03:59 PM
https://theathletic.com/5393630/2024/04/10/morgan-rogers-aston-villa-emery/
How Morgan Rogers has hit the ground running at Aston Villa
BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND - APRIL 06: Morgan Rogers of Aston Villa celebrates after scoring their second goal during the Premier League match between Aston Villa and Brentford FC at Villa Park on April 06, 2024 in Birmingham, England. (Photo by Alex Livesey - Danehouse/Getty Images)
By Jacob Tanswell and Mark Carey
Apr 10, 2024
6
Despite outside perception, those at Aston Villa became unwavering in their endorsement. Morgan Rogers was who Unai Emery and club staff wanted.
Emery had been approaching January’s FA Cup tie at Middlesbrough with typical preparation. His analysis team had compiled extensive clips of the Championship outfit, with Emery going through the level of detail that combined data with the eye test. Every Middlesbrough player was deeply scrutinised and Rogers, having signed in the summer, was anticipated to lead their front line.
Even before the fixture, Emery had become aware of Rogers’ talent and how he, provided Emery worked with the 21-year-old, could be sculpted and refined.
Yet, in truth, Rogers was well-known across coaching circles, especially in the West Midlands. He was raised a stone’s throw away from The Hawthorns, West Brom’s stadium, playing in the club’s academy until he was 17.
Among his backers at youth level were academy manager Mark Harrison and head of junior recruitment Steve Hopcroft. They had both since moved across to work at Villa in similar roles. Harrison’s extensive knowledge — Rogers is not the first to have made the same move and credits Harrison as a chief influence in their formative years — was key in Villa and Emery building an overall view of the England youth international.
go-deeper
GO DEEPER
Rogers caught Guardiola's and Arteta's eye early - now Emery is offering a chance to shine
Following Villa’s 1-0 victory at the Riverside, Emery felt Rogers had stood out. He pressed the club’s ‘triangle of power’ to pursue a deal and, as a result of protracted negotiations, Rogers signed on that winter window’s deadline day for a fee worth £15million ($19m).
Emery saw precocious attributes in Rogers. He could move on both feet and was comfortable receiving the ball in the half-spaces while possessing the power to run behind defences. Most pertinently, Rogers matched the characteristics of Emery’s archetypal attacking midfielder in a 4-2-2-2 system, with his propensity for ball carrying suited to operating in either of the No 10 positions.
This has crystallised in eye-catching carries in a Villa shirt. Rogers has a muscular upper-body build and, at 6ft 2in tall (189 centimetres), protects the ball well while dribbling.
In the example below against Wolves in March, Rogers puts himself between the ball and Santiago Bueno.
Rogers intelligently manoeuvres his body to roll away from pressure before cutting inside to accelerate away.
Despite Joao Gomes’ desperate attempts to stop the transition, Rogers manages to fend off pressure until Pablo Sarabia is eventually fouled in the attacking half.
Having spent the early stages of his career on loan and playing out wide — even occasionally at wing-back during his unsuccessful loan at Bournemouth — the previous 12 months at Blackpool and Middlesbrough started Rogers’ transition to playing centrally.
The image below shows where Rogers has played since his loan at Lincoln City in the 2020-21 season. At 21, Rogers has built considerable experience in the EFL, playing at four different clubs (three on loan) and being tasked with performing multiple roles. His malleability, therefore, has developed into a standout trait and appealed to Emery.
Working under Michael Carrick at the start of the current campaign, Rogers began operating in more meaningful central areas. This, in part, was due to the role he assumed towards the back end of his time at Blackpool, where he moonlighted as a traditional No 9.
The graphic below illustrates how Carrick used Rogers, largely playing behind a sole forward and receiving between the lines in the final third.
In the game against Villa, Rogers played as a withdrawn No 9, initially behind Josh Coburn and then Emmanuel Latte Lath up front.
“Rogers can play as a No 8, a No 10 or sometimes as a striker,” said Emery.
“I think you’ll have a better idea of that than me,” replied Rogers when asked what his best position is. “I’m not sure. I’m happy to play anywhere. I feel I’ve got the capabilities to play in different positions anywhere across the front line. I’ve picked that up since I was young. I’ve played everywhere.”
We can gain a snapshot of Rogers’ attacking profile using smarterscout, which gives players a series of ratings from zero to 99 relative to how often a player performs a given stylistic action or how effective they are at it compared with others playing in their position.
Moving into the middle has impacted Rogers’ box-crashing ability this season, with receptions in the opponent’s box (84 out of 99) a leading strength. Curiously, Rogers remains Middlesbrough’s highest chance-creator from open play (35) despite having left in January.
Such a creative responsibility has contributed to his poor ball retention score (7 out of 99). Still, Rogers has proven to be highly effective in central and half-space areas, with his link-up play volume (76 out of 99) ranking highly.
This has already been exemplified by the upward trajectory of his performances at Villa. Rogers has a goal and an assist in his last two matches, a sign of him becoming better attuned to making quick decisions and working within Emery’s attacking patterns. “I feel I’m finding my feet and I’m getting better every time I step on the pitch,” said Rogers.
Away at Manchester City earlier this month, Rogers provided the assist for Jhon Duran’s finish.
Note how Rogers checks his shoulder before receiving the ball, gauging the picture in front. Recognising he has little time and space, the shoulder check influences his decision to play first-time back to Duran.
On the day, Rogers played as a second forward, switching with Moussa Diaby, who instead played wider.
Predominantly, though, Emery has deployed the England Under-21 international as the left No 10, replicating the role of Jacob Ramsey.
Ramsey has a similarly adept ball-carrying ability, drifting in from the left and into central areas, but with Ramsey’s season beset by injury, Rogers has offered a comparable balance, operating in the same pockets of space and patterns of play, enabling rotations to materialise ahead and outside of him (the latter via an overlapping left-back).
A case in point is demonstrated below during the second half away to Luton Town in March. Here, Rogers comes inside the pitch and offers a passing lane to John McGinn, who splits Luton’s midfield pivot.
Rogers’ movement prompts Ollie Watkins to make his trademark in-to-out run between full-back and centre-back.
A similar passage transpires in the UEFA Conference League fixture against Ajax, with McGinn again splitting the opponent’s midfield with a pass into Rogers.
The first image is a good example of the inverted positions Emery’s No 10s take up when Villa are in comfortable possession.
Rogers’ education as a centre-forward means he has the range to open his stride and run behind defences. This creates variation in his play, not always wanting the ball to feet and becoming unpredictable.
In Villa’s most recent home draw with Brentford, for instance, Rogers makes a run inside the centre-backs.
Rogers’ poise and two-footedness was epitomised in scoring his first Villa goal against Brentford. Drifting from the left and staying between the lines, the attacker makes a blindside run off Vitaly Janelt.
One-versus-one against Kristoffer Ajer, Rogers’ first touch takes the ball inside the defender, creating a yard of space.
Without hesitation, the backlift of Rogers’ strike is short as he shoots with his weaker left into the bottom corner.
Off the field, Rogers is a confident and engaging individual. At Villa and with former team-mates, he is well-liked and among the more open talkers to the media.
Despite the club’s reluctance to allow players to talk in the mixed zone after games (especially after a loss), Rogers is impressive and speaks with a wise head on young shoulders. It is why Emery openly pushes him, even if the player has exceeded early expectations.
“He likes to mention I’m a Championship player a lot,” smiled Rogers. “That’s the relationship we have. He’s trying to push me because he wants me to get to that level and it’s about showing me I can. It’s not a negative thing — no way. It’s motivational.
“If I’m not 100 per cent at the level, he will be the first to let me know. I wouldn’t want to change that. I feel I’m getting better and I’m so happy with the relationship we’ve got.”
The rough plan was for Rogers to use the second half of the campaign as a gradual bedding-in process, aiming to hit the ground running in pre-season. But his maturity, versatility and growing impact have so far vindicated Emery’s role in pushing for Rogers ahead of schedule.
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2024, 02:28:16 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 10, 2024, 02:28:36 PM
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2024, 02:33:28 PM
I hadn't realised he'd started as a Centre Forward; gives us more coverage than I'd thought, and certainly adds more flexibility to the front-line.
It depends if Emery sees him as playing there. I suspect he's just lacking that bit of pace to play there in the Premier League. Maybe in a team that pumps balls up to a big guy he'd do OK as a striker, but not the Emery way, possibly.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2024, 02:53:14 PM
i think he is as quick or quicker than Watkins.I hadn't realised he'd started as a Centre Forward; gives us more coverage than I'd thought, and certainly adds more flexibility to the front-line.
It depends if Emery sees him as playing there. I suspect he's just lacking that bit of pace to play there in the Premier League. Maybe in a team that pumps balls up to a big guy he'd do OK as a striker, but not the Emery way, possibly.
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2024, 03:56:08 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 10, 2024, 05:36:26 PM
Has this Athletic article been posted? (just stop the page fully loading if you want to read on their site and see the pictures - press escape or the x next to the address bar)Excellent article. This explains , and to what I said and why I see Rogers more suited than Buendia to Emery system.
https://theathletic.com/5393630/2024/04/10/morgan-rogers-aston-villa-emery/
How Morgan Rogers has hit the ground running at Aston Villa
BIRMINGHAM, ENGLAND - APRIL 06: Morgan Rogers of Aston Villa celebrates after scoring their second goal during the Premier League match between Aston Villa and Brentford FC at Villa Park on April 06, 2024 in Birmingham, England. (Photo by Alex Livesey - Danehouse/Getty Images)
By Jacob Tanswell and Mark Carey
Apr 10, 2024
6
Despite outside perception, those at Aston Villa became unwavering in their endorsement. Morgan Rogers was who Unai Emery and club staff wanted.
Emery had been approaching January’s FA Cup tie at Middlesbrough with typical preparation. His analysis team had compiled extensive clips of the Championship outfit, with Emery going through the level of detail that combined data with the eye test. Every Middlesbrough player was deeply scrutinised and Rogers, having signed in the summer, was anticipated to lead their front line.
Even before the fixture, Emery had become aware of Rogers’ talent and how he, provided Emery worked with the 21-year-old, could be sculpted and refined.
Yet, in truth, Rogers was well-known across coaching circles, especially in the West Midlands. He was raised a stone’s throw away from The Hawthorns, West Brom’s stadium, playing in the club’s academy until he was 17.
Among his backers at youth level were academy manager Mark Harrison and head of junior recruitment Steve Hopcroft. They had both since moved across to work at Villa in similar roles. Harrison’s extensive knowledge — Rogers is not the first to have made the same move and credits Harrison as a chief influence in their formative years — was key in Villa and Emery building an overall view of the England youth international.
go-deeper
GO DEEPER
Rogers caught Guardiola's and Arteta's eye early - now Emery is offering a chance to shine
Following Villa’s 1-0 victory at the Riverside, Emery felt Rogers had stood out. He pressed the club’s ‘triangle of power’ to pursue a deal and, as a result of protracted negotiations, Rogers signed on that winter window’s deadline day for a fee worth £15million ($19m).
Emery saw precocious attributes in Rogers. He could move on both feet and was comfortable receiving the ball in the half-spaces while possessing the power to run behind defences. Most pertinently, Rogers matched the characteristics of Emery’s archetypal attacking midfielder in a 4-2-2-2 system, with his propensity for ball carrying suited to operating in either of the No 10 positions.
This has crystallised in eye-catching carries in a Villa shirt. Rogers has a muscular upper-body build and, at 6ft 2in tall (189 centimetres), protects the ball well while dribbling.
In the example below against Wolves in March, Rogers puts himself between the ball and Santiago Bueno.
Rogers intelligently manoeuvres his body to roll away from pressure before cutting inside to accelerate away.
Despite Joao Gomes’ desperate attempts to stop the transition, Rogers manages to fend off pressure until Pablo Sarabia is eventually fouled in the attacking half.
Having spent the early stages of his career on loan and playing out wide — even occasionally at wing-back during his unsuccessful loan at Bournemouth — the previous 12 months at Blackpool and Middlesbrough started Rogers’ transition to playing centrally.
The image below shows where Rogers has played since his loan at Lincoln City in the 2020-21 season. At 21, Rogers has built considerable experience in the EFL, playing at four different clubs (three on loan) and being tasked with performing multiple roles. His malleability, therefore, has developed into a standout trait and appealed to Emery.
Working under Michael Carrick at the start of the current campaign, Rogers began operating in more meaningful central areas. This, in part, was due to the role he assumed towards the back end of his time at Blackpool, where he moonlighted as a traditional No 9.
The graphic below illustrates how Carrick used Rogers, largely playing behind a sole forward and receiving between the lines in the final third.
In the game against Villa, Rogers played as a withdrawn No 9, initially behind Josh Coburn and then Emmanuel Latte Lath up front.
“Rogers can play as a No 8, a No 10 or sometimes as a striker,” said Emery.
“I think you’ll have a better idea of that than me,” replied Rogers when asked what his best position is. “I’m not sure. I’m happy to play anywhere. I feel I’ve got the capabilities to play in different positions anywhere across the front line. I’ve picked that up since I was young. I’ve played everywhere.”
We can gain a snapshot of Rogers’ attacking profile using smarterscout, which gives players a series of ratings from zero to 99 relative to how often a player performs a given stylistic action or how effective they are at it compared with others playing in their position.
Moving into the middle has impacted Rogers’ box-crashing ability this season, with receptions in the opponent’s box (84 out of 99) a leading strength. Curiously, Rogers remains Middlesbrough’s highest chance-creator from open play (35) despite having left in January.
Such a creative responsibility has contributed to his poor ball retention score (7 out of 99). Still, Rogers has proven to be highly effective in central and half-space areas, with his link-up play volume (76 out of 99) ranking highly.
This has already been exemplified by the upward trajectory of his performances at Villa. Rogers has a goal and an assist in his last two matches, a sign of him becoming better attuned to making quick decisions and working within Emery’s attacking patterns. “I feel I’m finding my feet and I’m getting better every time I step on the pitch,” said Rogers.
Away at Manchester City earlier this month, Rogers provided the assist for Jhon Duran’s finish.
Note how Rogers checks his shoulder before receiving the ball, gauging the picture in front. Recognising he has little time and space, the shoulder check influences his decision to play first-time back to Duran.
On the day, Rogers played as a second forward, switching with Moussa Diaby, who instead played wider.
Predominantly, though, Emery has deployed the England Under-21 international as the left No 10, replicating the role of Jacob Ramsey.
Ramsey has a similarly adept ball-carrying ability, drifting in from the left and into central areas, but with Ramsey’s season beset by injury, Rogers has offered a comparable balance, operating in the same pockets of space and patterns of play, enabling rotations to materialise ahead and outside of him (the latter via an overlapping left-back).
A case in point is demonstrated below during the second half away to Luton Town in March. Here, Rogers comes inside the pitch and offers a passing lane to John McGinn, who splits Luton’s midfield pivot.
Rogers’ movement prompts Ollie Watkins to make his trademark in-to-out run between full-back and centre-back.
A similar passage transpires in the UEFA Conference League fixture against Ajax, with McGinn again splitting the opponent’s midfield with a pass into Rogers.
The first image is a good example of the inverted positions Emery’s No 10s take up when Villa are in comfortable possession.
Rogers’ education as a centre-forward means he has the range to open his stride and run behind defences. This creates variation in his play, not always wanting the ball to feet and becoming unpredictable.
In Villa’s most recent home draw with Brentford, for instance, Rogers makes a run inside the centre-backs.
Rogers’ poise and two-footedness was epitomised in scoring his first Villa goal against Brentford. Drifting from the left and staying between the lines, the attacker makes a blindside run off Vitaly Janelt.
One-versus-one against Kristoffer Ajer, Rogers’ first touch takes the ball inside the defender, creating a yard of space.
Without hesitation, the backlift of Rogers’ strike is short as he shoots with his weaker left into the bottom corner.
Off the field, Rogers is a confident and engaging individual. At Villa and with former team-mates, he is well-liked and among the more open talkers to the media.
Despite the club’s reluctance to allow players to talk in the mixed zone after games (especially after a loss), Rogers is impressive and speaks with a wise head on young shoulders. It is why Emery openly pushes him, even if the player has exceeded early expectations.
“He likes to mention I’m a Championship player a lot,” smiled Rogers. “That’s the relationship we have. He’s trying to push me because he wants me to get to that level and it’s about showing me I can. It’s not a negative thing — no way. It’s motivational.
“If I’m not 100 per cent at the level, he will be the first to let me know. I wouldn’t want to change that. I feel I’m getting better and I’m so happy with the relationship we’ve got.”
The rough plan was for Rogers to use the second half of the campaign as a gradual bedding-in process, aiming to hit the ground running in pre-season. But his maturity, versatility and growing impact have so far vindicated Emery’s role in pushing for Rogers ahead of schedule.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2024, 05:42:36 PM
You really are on form.
Post by: Smithy on April 10, 2024, 05:52:06 PM
i think he is as quick or quicker than Watkins.I hadn't realised he'd started as a Centre Forward; gives us more coverage than I'd thought, and certainly adds more flexibility to the front-line.
It depends if Emery sees him as playing there. I suspect he's just lacking that bit of pace to play there in the Premier League. Maybe in a team that pumps balls up to a big guy he'd do OK as a striker, but not the Emery way, possibly.
He's not slow, but he's certainly not at Watkins' levels of pace. He just doesn't have the acceleration from a standing position that you'd expect to see from a forward with genuine pace. Give him thirty yards to race with a defender, and I think he'd probably hold his own (once he's up to full speed), but he's never going to push it five/ten yards past a full back and simply run around them in the way players like Bailey, Moussa and Moreno can.
And that's okay. He has other aspects to his game that make up for it. If he WAS genuinely quick - like Bailey/Diaby quick - he'd probably have been worth £50m before we bought him.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2024, 06:00:41 PM
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2024, 06:37:27 PM
I can't wait to see what he can do in a full season as a Villa player next year, he looks like a genuine talent. At the moment I don't think we're missing JJ too much because Rogers is playing so well.
Imagine having the choice of Rogers or a fit-again and in-form Ramsey for that role.
Post by: SaddVillan on April 10, 2024, 10:11:32 PM
I think he's got the physique, strength and pace of a young Stanley Victor.
With another 12 months of coaching from Unai and with the right support off the pitch he's going to be a dangerous player fir us.
Post by: Lsvilla on April 10, 2024, 10:16:18 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 10, 2024, 10:18:25 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2024, 10:48:02 PM
Post by: Smithy on April 11, 2024, 09:48:55 AM
There’s a base level speed, fast twitch muscles and all that. Like anything it can be augmented, but if you’re not quick you won’t become it through training. That would be my layman’s view.
Also, if you're training to be as quick as possible over the first ten yards, the best way to do that is with muscle - which is why so many sprinters look like bodybuilders. But those gains are absolutely useless if you're then expected to change direction and stop/start regularly.
I'm sure they'll coach and train Morgan to be as quick as he can possibly be, but there is a limit to what can be coached vs what you have naturally when it comes to speed, so I don't expect any dramatic improvements on that front.
Unai and his team didn't buy him for his speed, and I expect they'll focus on getting the best out of him without requiring him to run around the outside of players to do it.
Post by: Risso on April 11, 2024, 09:50:22 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 11, 2024, 10:58:56 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 11, 2024, 01:31:19 PM
Not necessarily the right place to ask but can standing start speed be learned or trained or is it born ?
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Because acceleration is a product of force/mass, to improve acceleration, we must either increase the amount of force produced or decrease the amount of mass the athlete is required to move. Quite often in an attempt to increase force production capabilities, athletes seek to increase their BM. Because the muscle is active and produces force, those individuals with greater muscle cross-sectional area are typically able to produce greater forces. However, when we increase the mass, the body has to overcome a greater amount of inertia to move (F = M × A). This concept is illustrated by Newton’s second law of motion, which states that there is an inverse relationship between mass and acceleration. For instance, Lockie et al. (19) found that although no absolute strength differences existed in the 3 repetition maximum squat for 2 groups of athletes, it was discovered that the faster group of athletes displayed greater relative strength in comparison with their BM. Although greater force may be produced, if the athletes weight also increases, additional force is required to move this mass. Therefore, in some cases, attempting to increase the muscle mass to improve speed and acceleration yields a zero sum gain or even slower acceleration times.
Another method of improving the strength to bodyweight ratio would be to decrease an individual’s amount or percentage of body fat. Intuitively, it makes sense that reducing one’s nonfunctional mass (body fat) may be a more productive approach to improving speed and acceleration than first attempting to add mass because less force is required to overcome inertial forces. This allows the athlete to fully maximize their current force production potential without adding additional mass. Conducting initial body composition estimations may be beneficial to the athlete, coach, and nutritional professional because it aids in the development of appropriate training and nutritional interventions to achieve ideal body compositions to maximize performance.
https://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/fulltext/2012/12000/methods_of_developing_power_to_improve.8.aspx#:~:text=Because%20acceleration%20is%20a%20product,seek%20to%20increase%20their%20BM. (https://journals.lww.com/nsca-scj/fulltext/2012/12000/methods_of_developing_power_to_improve.8.aspx#:~:text=Because%20acceleration%20is%20a%20product,seek%20to%20increase%20their%20BM.)
Post by: olaftab on April 11, 2024, 01:38:55 PM
Post by: olaftab on April 11, 2024, 01:42:49 PM
Not necessarily the right place to ask but can standing start speed be learned or trained or is it born ?It is said that athletes of West African heritage have a birth advantage. It is to do eith heel spring that is unique to humans in that region a bit like wrist spinners from the Sub-continent. However I have no reference to provide here to add any authority to both of these "facts".
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2024, 08:27:06 PM
Post by: The Edge on April 14, 2024, 08:29:21 PM
Post by: Beard82 on April 14, 2024, 08:29:25 PM
The speed at which he is developing is incredible. He’s forcing himself into being a regular starter, what a talent.Thought he and Carlos were our best players in the first half.
I dont understand it - how do they know hes ready, when say, someone like Tim I might not be? I know they see them everyday and its there jobs but its a real skill
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2024, 08:36:44 PM
Post by: Risso on April 14, 2024, 08:38:22 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 14, 2024, 08:38:54 PM
The speed at which he is developing is incredible. He’s forcing himself into being a regular starter, what a talent.Thought he and Carlos were our best players in the first half.
I dont understand it - how do they know hes ready, when say, someone like Tim I might not be? I know they see them everyday and its there jobs but its a real skill
Maybe a bit fortunate with Ramsey injured he's had more opportunities than expected. He's much better in the centre, gets turned on the ball and with his physique and touch he ain't losing it.
Post by: dr.chekov on April 14, 2024, 08:39:41 PM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
totally agree. he looks better every game.
Post by: andyh on April 14, 2024, 08:39:47 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 14, 2024, 08:47:15 PM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
Post by: VillaTim on April 14, 2024, 08:51:22 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 14, 2024, 08:57:23 PM
I can't really see any weaknesses in his game, he ticks pretty much all the boxes. I genuinely think he's a Villa legend in the making.
Post by: VillaTim on April 14, 2024, 09:06:02 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 14, 2024, 09:17:02 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 14, 2024, 09:20:58 PM
I can't really see any weaknesses in his game, he ticks pretty much all the boxes. I genuinely think he's a Villa legend in the making.
He’s not the only one and considering his relative inexperience he can be forgiven but he does give the ball away a bit, he’s got quite a few yellow cards as well so there’s a bit to work on but so far he’s looking like a really good signing for a very modest fee.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 14, 2024, 09:23:14 PM
Post by: DB on April 14, 2024, 09:26:16 PM
It is funny that he came from nowhere. I had never heard of him and don’t think boro fans really bigged him up
My 3 oro mates loved him and were not happy when left but did say we have a top player on our hands.
Post by: DB on April 14, 2024, 09:28:14 PM
It is funny that he came from nowhere. I had never heard of him and don’t think boro fans really bigged him up
My boro mates loved him and were not too happy when left but did say we have a top player on our hands.
Post by: Smithy on April 14, 2024, 09:36:03 PM
It is funny that he came from nowhere. I had never heard of him and don’t think boro fans really bigged him up
My 3 oro mates loved him and were not happy when left but did say we have a top player on our hands.
He's still Boro's highest assist maker this season (8) and their second-highest goal scorer (7). I thought he looked 'off it' a bit in his early appearances, certainly not ready for our first team, and I wondered if we'd spent wisely as he seemed like a lesser version of JJ - but in recent weeks, he's been really excellent. It does make you wonder where Unai and his team would get his level with another year or two of top-level coaching? In terms of natural attributes, he has the lot.
Post by: olaftab on April 14, 2024, 10:02:38 PM
Post by: Matt C on April 14, 2024, 10:19:50 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 14, 2024, 10:29:53 PM
Definitely has the potential to be a future Ballon d'Or winner, cracking bit of business.
Insight!!!!
Post by: Steve67 on April 14, 2024, 10:43:56 PM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
I love the fact that he's prepared to throw his body in where it hurts. He's only 21 and has years of development with Unai ahead of him. Even if we do end up paying the 12 or 15 million, whatever it is we agreed. Proper bargain. I fancy he will be called up for England in the next 18 months to 2 years.
Post by: eamonn on April 14, 2024, 11:01:15 PM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
Ah, the old John Gregory scouting-school of "He played well against us, let's buy him".
Years later we're still such amateurs. Where's our South American glut of talent á la Brighton? FFS.
Post by: basavfc on April 14, 2024, 11:05:37 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2024, 11:06:21 PM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
Ah, the old John Gregory scouting-school of "He played well against us, let's buy him".
Years later we're still such amateurs. Where's our South American glut of talent á la Brighton? FFS.
I expect it was more the 20 Boro matches Emery analysed before the cup match that brought him to the attention.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2024, 11:33:22 PM
Post by: Villafirst on April 15, 2024, 12:22:32 AM
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
Ah, the old John Gregory scouting-school of "He played well against us, let's buy him".
Years later we're still such amateurs. Where's our South American glut of talent á la Brighton? FFS.
He's looking like an asbolute bargain so far, and I think his potential is immense.
Agreed, it's impressive how quickly he's adapted and improved. And if we hadn't drawn Boro in the Cup, he probably wouldn't be at Villa.
I love the fact that he's prepared to throw his body in where it hurts. He's only 21 and has years of development with Unai ahead of him. Even if we do end up paying the 12 or 15 million, whatever it is we agreed. Proper bargain. I fancy he will be called up for England in the next 18 months to 2 years.
With Southgate picking the squad?
Post by: KevinGage on April 15, 2024, 12:47:14 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 15, 2024, 08:54:55 AM
You've got to trust Emery and his team, but I was really sceptical about this one. I now agree that he looks an outstanding prospect - he's getting better with every game and it feels like a great bit of business.
Post by: Ads on April 15, 2024, 08:59:18 AM
He's going to be some player. If we can keep JJ, then having him and Morgan available will let us go full tilt at whatever European competition we're in and the league game following. If we can add a touch more quality in Kamara's spot too then we're really in business.
Very excited to see him progress.
Post by: ROBBO on April 15, 2024, 10:12:25 AM
Post by: Smithy on April 15, 2024, 10:46:47 AM
There's a lot of young talented players out there that will see how our manager vastly improves players and will be open to joining us.
I do think this is an often-missed aspect of our recruitment policy. I'm sure players have a hundred different things going through their minds when moving clubs, not least "how much am I being paid" - but surely ANY player with a bit of self-confidence would be looking at what Emery has done in the last 18 months and be thinking "I wonder what he could do with me?"
Ollie on the verge of a 20-goal premier league season
Bailey becoming the most productive winger in the league
Konsa into the England team
Rogers plucked from the Championship to looking like a top-4 player
Dougie now among the best midfielders in Europe
I don't think there is a single player who has gone backwards? It feels like every player with at least 20 games under him is now better than when he arrived.
Surely that HAS to factor pretty heavily into your thinking if you're an ambitious player confident in your own ability?
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2024, 10:54:37 AM
There's a lot of young talented players out there that will see how our manager vastly improves players and will be open to joining us.
I do think this is an often-missed aspect of our recruitment policy. I'm sure players have a hundred different things going through their minds when moving clubs, not least "how much am I being paid" - but surely ANY player with a bit of self-confidence would be looking at what Emery has done in the last 18 months and be thinking "I wonder what he could do with me?"
Ollie on the verge of a 20-goal premier league season
Bailey becoming the most productive winger in the league
Konsa into the England team
Rogers plucked from the Championship to looking like a top-4 player
Dougie now among the best midfielders in Europe
I don't think there is a single player who has gone backwards? It feels like every player with at least 20 games under him is now better than when he arrived.
Surely that HAS to factor pretty heavily into your thinking if you're an ambitious player confident in your own ability?
Callum Chambers at a stretch.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 15, 2024, 11:02:29 AM
There's a lot of young talented players out there that will see how our manager vastly improves players and will be open to joining us.
I do think this is an often-missed aspect of our recruitment policy. I'm sure players have a hundred different things going through their minds when moving clubs, not least "how much am I being paid" - but surely ANY player with a bit of self-confidence would be looking at what Emery has done in the last 18 months and be thinking "I wonder what he could do with me?"
Ollie on the verge of a 20-goal premier league season
Bailey becoming the most productive winger in the league
Konsa into the England team
Rogers plucked from the Championship to looking like a top-4 player
Dougie now among the best midfielders in Europe
I don't think there is a single player who has gone backwards? It feels like every player with at least 20 games under him is now better than when he arrived.
Surely that HAS to factor pretty heavily into your thinking if you're an ambitious player confident in your own ability?
Callum Chambers at a stretch.
I've heard the African Car Reverser has even started driving forwards since Unai got here.
Post by: Pat Mustard on April 15, 2024, 11:02:57 AM
There's a lot of young talented players out there that will see how our manager vastly improves players and will be open to joining us.
I do think this is an often-missed aspect of our recruitment policy. I'm sure players have a hundred different things going through their minds when moving clubs, not least "how much am I being paid" - but surely ANY player with a bit of self-confidence would be looking at what Emery has done in the last 18 months and be thinking "I wonder what he could do with me?"
Ollie on the verge of a 20-goal premier league season
Bailey becoming the most productive winger in the league
Konsa into the England team
Rogers plucked from the Championship to looking like a top-4 player
Dougie now among the best midfielders in Europe
I don't think there is a single player who has gone backwards? It feels like every player with at least 20 games under him is now better than when he arrived.
Surely that HAS to factor pretty heavily into your thinking if you're an ambitious player confident in your own ability?
Totally agree with this - all other things being equal, for a young player looking to progress we will be one of the most attractive clubs in Europe right now. I wonder what Chucky, for instance, thinks about his decision to go to Chelsea right now?
With Unai, Monchi and the rest of the team he has around him we have a very real chance of becoming what Dortmund were a few years ago, and able to hoover up the best prospects from around the world. The potential game-changer for us though is Premier League money to add to the mix - we would hopefully have the ability to hang on to the very best ones for a couple of years longer than they were ever able to.
Post by: OCD on April 15, 2024, 11:27:54 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2024, 11:29:22 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 15, 2024, 11:32:25 AM
Worth a look
Post by: itbrvilla on April 15, 2024, 11:32:40 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2024, 11:35:27 AM
There's a lot of young talented players out there that will see how our manager vastly improves players and will be open to joining us.
I do think this is an often-missed aspect of our recruitment policy. I'm sure players have a hundred different things going through their minds when moving clubs, not least "how much am I being paid" - but surely ANY player with a bit of self-confidence would be looking at what Emery has done in the last 18 months and be thinking "I wonder what he could do with me?"
Ollie on the verge of a 20-goal premier league season
Bailey becoming the most productive winger in the league
Konsa into the England team
Rogers plucked from the Championship to looking like a top-4 player
Dougie now among the best midfielders in Europe
I don't think there is a single player who has gone backwards? It feels like every player with at least 20 games under him is now better than when he arrived.
Surely that HAS to factor pretty heavily into your thinking if you're an ambitious player confident in your own ability?
Callum Chambers at a stretch.
And our Hause but he's been crocked innit. Plus he has a music career to consider.
Post by: Risso on April 15, 2024, 11:43:59 AM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on April 15, 2024, 11:44:58 AM
Having the ability to do both and know when is the right time for either manoeuvre is the hall mark of a top natural talent.
What a signing. Great he’s a local lad to boot.
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2024, 11:47:00 AM
I don't think anybody has gone backwards as such. The squad has got better players in it, so the likes of Chambers don't get much game time, and when they do you're reminded of how bang average they are. Diaby needs to do a lot better next season, and Moreno isn't as good as he was last year. Just about everybody else though, has come on leaps and bounds.
I think in the case of Chambers he's particularly not suited to the way Emery plays hence me saying he's the one you could argue has gone backwards, but it's a moot point as he's very much a fringe player.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 15, 2024, 11:50:58 AM
As well as taking the ball in and running with it he plays some lovely first time touches.That is what has surprised me. He initially looked good running with the ball but I was concerned about the rest of his game. Seeing how quickly he has got up to speed with the passing game under extreme pressure has really impressed me.
Having the ability to do both and know when is the right time for either manoeuvre is the hall mark of a top natural talent.
What a signing. Great he’s a local lad to boot.
Post by: caster troy on April 15, 2024, 11:51:07 AM
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1779816669285634328
Worth a look
*Insert Ancellotti eyebrow raise gif here*
Post by: Smithy on April 15, 2024, 11:51:09 AM
I don't think anybody has gone backwards as such. The squad has got better players in it, so the likes of Chambers don't get much game time, and when they do you're reminded of how bang average they are. Diaby needs to do a lot better next season, and Moreno isn't as good as he was last year. Just about everybody else though, has come on leaps and bounds.
With Moreno there are two factors at play I think, one is his injury. Six months out with a significant hamstring injury to a player who relies on pace is going to have an impact when returning reaching his previous levels, and secondly the form of Digne, who has (like so many others) been excellent under Emery this season when it looked like his time with us could be up.
So if he isn't as good as he was last year (and I agree that he isn't), I do think it's mostly down to him not playing his way back into form following a significant injury more than anything else.
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2024, 11:54:41 AM
I don't think anybody has gone backwards as such. The squad has got better players in it, so the likes of Chambers don't get much game time, and when they do you're reminded of how bang average they are. Diaby needs to do a lot better next season, and Moreno isn't as good as he was last year. Just about everybody else though, has come on leaps and bounds.
With Moreno there are two factors at play I think, one is his injury. Six months out with a significant hamstring injury to a player who relies on pace is going to have an impact when returning reaching his previous levels, and secondly the form of Digne, who has (like so many others) been excellent under Emery this season when it looked like his time with us could be up.
So if he isn't as good as he was last year (and I agree that he isn't), I do think it's mostly down to him not playing his way back into form following a significant injury more than anything else.
Another factor with Moreno is he's missed Ramsey who created a shit tonne of space for him to exploit.
Ramsey has been the big miss this season for me, had he been available all season after the way he finished last I think we'd genuinely be in the title race and he'd be a shoe-in for the Euros.
Post by: Risso on April 15, 2024, 11:57:34 AM
Another factor with Moreno is he's missed Ramsey who created a shit tonne of space for him to exploit.
Ramsey has been the big miss this season for me, had he been available all season after the way he finished last I think we'd genuinely be in the title race and he'd be a shoe-in for the Euros.
Agreed Lee. I think most of the time we've got the points we deserve and when you look at games like Newcastle, Liverpool and Spurs (home) we were well beaten. I'd argue that we *should* have got more points against Sheff U at home, Man U away and Brentford at home. 7 more points from that and we'd be right in the title race.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 10:46:20 PM
https://x.com/buendiazboyz/status/1779816669285634328
Worth a look
Might just have been the match situations, but he seemed to be on the right a lot in that compilation rather then the left. His spin and dink to Bailey in the tight situation was exquisite.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 15, 2024, 10:50:57 PM
I don't think anybody has gone backwards as such. The squad has got better players in it, so the likes of Chambers don't get much game time, and when they do you're reminded of how bang average they are. Diaby needs to do a lot better next season, and Moreno isn't as good as he was last year. Just about everybody else though, has come on leaps and bounds.
Just one thing on Diaby. Clearly he’s had his struggles, but he’s got something like 5 goals and 7 assists. That’s pretty good for his first season here.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 10:56:52 PM
I don't think anybody has gone backwards as such. The squad has got better players in it, so the likes of Chambers don't get much game time, and when they do you're reminded of how bang average they are. Diaby needs to do a lot better next season, and Moreno isn't as good as he was last year. Just about everybody else though, has come on leaps and bounds.
Just one thing on Diaby. Clearly he’s had his struggles, but he’s got something like 5 goals and 7 assists. That’s pretty good for his first season here.
For comparison, Bailey didn't reach those figures in total until this season. First season which was injury-ridden he got 1 goal and two assists in 18 appearances. Then 4 goals and 4 assists last season.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 21, 2024, 05:10:59 PM
Post by: LukeJames on April 21, 2024, 05:13:53 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2024, 05:15:14 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 21, 2024, 05:17:17 PM
We don't miss Ramsey with him in the team.
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
I stick by this.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 21, 2024, 05:21:31 PM
We don't miss Ramsey with him in the team.
I think that he is showing more and more each game.
Keep going.
I stick by this.
I agree.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2024, 05:22:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 21, 2024, 05:31:17 PM
The scary thing is, he is no where near his ceiling. He’s still really raw when it comes to game intelligence and fitness.
He’s not raw in terms of game intelligence. His understanding of the right option to take is exceptional.
Post by: Goldenballs on April 21, 2024, 05:35:17 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 21, 2024, 05:38:42 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2024, 05:38:56 PM
Seems a long time ago since he got subbed on then off again. He's improving every game
TBF, he was brought on early due to injury. And was subbed off again more through a combination of tiredness and tactical changes. Not as bad as someone being brought on for tactical change, then subbed back off because they had a poor game.
Post by: Villafirst on April 21, 2024, 06:49:35 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2024, 07:01:55 PM
The scary thing is, he is no where near his ceiling. He’s still really raw when it comes to game intelligence and fitness.
He’s not raw in terms of game intelligence. His understanding of the right option to take is exceptional.
I agree when he has the ball. Impacting the game more when out of possession is where I think he can improve but I’m being hyper critical.
I certainly didn’t think we were signing a player that would be playing at this standard, possibly ever, let alone this quickly.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 21, 2024, 07:03:19 PM
His strength on the ball is unreal. He just seems to glide across the pitch with it
Post by: Goldenballs on April 21, 2024, 07:16:48 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 21, 2024, 07:17:20 PM
Post by: Risso on April 21, 2024, 07:20:52 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 21, 2024, 07:22:24 PM
Weren't Boro fans not that bothered about losing him? Or have I made that up.
In general yes, but the brontebillys of their board knew he was a top player. They're pleased for him (think it's good for Boro financially due to the add-ons), are glad they got for 1.5m, but acknowledge we've underpaid for him.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 21, 2024, 07:22:45 PM
Weren't Boro fans not that bothered about losing him? Or have I made that up.
Nah there seemed to be a good amount of their fans thinking we'd overpaid. It may just be as simple as a different system and considerably better players around him allowing him to showcase his ability.
Post by: Kevin Dawson on April 21, 2024, 07:32:04 PM
Post by: LeeB on April 21, 2024, 07:36:31 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on April 21, 2024, 07:37:25 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 21, 2024, 07:41:01 PM
I'd say he's got a better claim to go to the Euros than Mainoo.
With that clown in charge I doubt he has even heard of him
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2024, 07:46:21 PM
I'd say he's got a better claim to go to the Euros than Mainoo.
With that clown in charge I doubt he has even heard of him
I suppose it depends in where he will play Mainoo. If he plays him in the Phillips role in front of the back 4, then that is not Rogers position. TBH it should be instead of Rashford for Rogers.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 21, 2024, 07:49:21 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 21, 2024, 07:53:37 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 21, 2024, 08:03:11 PM
I think with Rogers playing like this we may sell Ramsey, which eases all these financial rule crap we have looming.
Be a brave side to pay what we'd want for Ramsey off the back of his injuries. If we hang on to 4th we wont need to sell anyone will we?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 21, 2024, 08:06:18 PM
I think with Rogers playing like this we may sell Ramsey, which eases all these financial rule crap we have looming.
Be a brave side to pay what we'd want for Ramsey off the back of his injuries. If we hang on to 4th we wont need to sell anyone will we?
We might have to sell Olsen to comply with FFP.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2024, 08:11:16 PM
I’m hoping we can wangle it where we have a whole season rotating Ramsey/Rogers on one side and Bailey/Diaby on the other. Each pair is of the highest class and should keep us fresh despite the number of games we will be playing.
Not sure where Buendia fits into the puzzle. maybe he is first sub, gets back to full fitness.
Post by: villadelph on April 21, 2024, 08:11:41 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2024, 08:14:09 PM
The fact that we now have a scouting network capable of identifying talents like Morgan is reassuring. I couldn’t be happier for him - thanks Monchi!
Was it Monchi? I thought Emery had identified him based on our scouting for the Boro cup game. Regardless, you’d hope Monchi pulled out a 199 page dossier on the player, providing the stats to back up Emery’s hunch.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2024, 08:15:07 PM
The fact that we now have a scouting network capable of identifying talents like Morgan is reassuring. I couldn’t be happier for him - thanks Monchi!
I still wonder if it was the scouting network, or just Emery spotting him because he was reviewing Boro matches before we played them in the cup.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 21, 2024, 08:18:31 PM
I fucking love that man.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 21, 2024, 08:22:29 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 21, 2024, 08:25:42 PM
Post by: Risso on April 21, 2024, 08:30:12 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 21, 2024, 08:30:25 PM
I haven't been this excited about a player for ages.
Post by: AV84 on April 21, 2024, 08:31:57 PM
Post by: Risso on April 21, 2024, 08:34:29 PM
Post by: AV84 on April 21, 2024, 08:35:16 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on April 21, 2024, 08:36:26 PM
His post match interview is well worth a watch. So much energy, you'd think he's had a few lines up his nose.
Where can I watch it?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 21, 2024, 08:38:05 PM
Post by: AV84 on April 21, 2024, 08:52:48 PM
Post by: levico on April 21, 2024, 09:44:43 PM
Read a post on X from someone suggesting we cash in on Ramsey and concentrate on Rogers. I think he’s forgotten just what a tremendous player a fit Jacob Ramsey is. He’s destined for great things. We‘ll need both these players if FFP allows.
Post by: VillaTim on April 21, 2024, 09:49:36 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on April 21, 2024, 10:16:24 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1753376717442539626
What a dumbass.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 21, 2024, 10:23:28 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 21, 2024, 10:26:43 PM
I haven't been this excited about a player for ages.
Same. He was worth the entrance fee on his own today. So entertaining as well as effective for the team. MOTM performance, on a day when Tielemans, Watkins and McGinn were all very special as well.
Post by: VillaTim on April 21, 2024, 10:34:30 PM
Post by: AV84 on April 21, 2024, 10:43:09 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on April 22, 2024, 12:33:56 AM
I think if he can work over the summer on getting that extra little bit of explosiveness, he could become a top player.
Post by: Garyth on April 22, 2024, 02:44:04 AM
Whoever at the club spotted him deserves huge credit. Thought he might appear fleetingly for the remainder of the season, but he's become a regular starter already.
The number of times Emery’s choices have been proven over time, makes me now start to question whether the games we’ve lost this season weren’t actually losses after all - maybe they were just been part of a bigger Emery plan 😂😂😂
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 22, 2024, 03:44:39 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 06:46:33 AM
This isn't some unknown kid. He has represented England at every level up to U21. Boro paid about £1m for him.
Post by: paul_e on April 22, 2024, 07:25:13 AM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on April 22, 2024, 07:38:49 AM
Post by: Virgil Caine on April 22, 2024, 07:45:37 AM
Post by: Smithy on April 22, 2024, 07:51:45 AM
He will have been on the radar of lots of ciubs (including us) for a while. Was at ManC until last summer, having been at West Brom before that.
This isn't some unknown kid. He has represented England at every level up to U21. Boro paid about £1m for him.
To be fair, it's probably Boro who deserve most of the credit for spotting his potential. Paid £1m, which is nothing these days, and he was starring in the Championship almost immediately. They made a nice tidy profit too, on a player they owned for about 6 months.
To be clear, I think WE got a bargain, just Boro did too.
Post by: Ian. on April 22, 2024, 08:03:35 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 08:10:05 AM
He will have been on the radar of lots of ciubs (including us) for a while. Was at ManC until last summer, having been at West Brom before that.
This isn't some unknown kid. He has represented England at every level up to U21. Boro paid about £1m for him.
To be fair, it's probably Boro who deserve most of the credit for spotting his potential. Paid £1m, which is nothing these days, and he was starring in the Championship almost immediately. They made a nice tidy profit too, on a player they owned for about 6 months.
To be clear, I think WE got a bargain, just Boro did too.
All Pep's doing is it not? Nothing to do with Carrick or Emery
Post by: oldtimernow on April 22, 2024, 08:28:26 AM
Whoever at the club spotted him deserves huge credit. Thought he might appear fleetingly for the remainder of the season, but he's become a regular starter already.
The number of times Emery’s choices have been proven over time, makes me now start to question whether the games we’ve lost this season weren’t actually losses after all - maybe they were just been part of a bigger Emery plan 😂😂😂
Part of Mr Emery’s plan was to give ManUre enough points to ensure Ten Hag stayed in post..
Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2024, 08:37:30 AM
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 08:40:44 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 08:42:14 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
I think Rodgers will be better in the centre - no 8/10 combo. Ramsey better wide left.
Nice headache to have.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 22, 2024, 08:59:15 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
I think Rogers best position could well end up being in the 'number 10' role, which would allow Ramsey to come back in on the left.
Post by: Rigadon on April 22, 2024, 09:02:48 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 09:07:01 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
I think Rodgers will be better in the centre - no 8/10 combo. Ramsey better wide left.
Nice headache to have.
Certainly is, and I think that's the point about our squad, it's developing nicely.
Given the injuries we've had, we've coped really, really well.
There's the prospect of a long season ahead next term
Post by: Garyth on April 22, 2024, 09:24:36 AM
Part of Mr Emery’s plan was to give ManUre enough points to ensure Ten Hag stayed in post..
Mr Emery plays 4D chess.
Post by: Olneythelonely on April 22, 2024, 10:03:57 AM
I hope they don’t run out of letter D’s.
Ha
Post by: placeforparks on April 22, 2024, 10:09:29 AM
clearly given he's from the west midlands (and the players and staff poached from west brom in recent years) has been a massive help for him to settle as quickly as he has.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 10:43:30 AM
a lot of boro fans were saying this move was too early for him, and he should wait for the summer.
clearly given he's from the west midlands (and the players and staff poached from west brom in recent years) has been a massive help for him to settle as quickly as he has.
Generally there is a lack insight and football acumen and have either a biassed opinion or a rudimentary comprehension of player judgement and that's a typical football fan. It seems that the Boro supporters are judging him incorrectly.
Additionally, many of these fans haven't played the game very much, if at all, and that can occasionally be an issue.
Also , because drinking is so common in the Northeast, people's judgement is also tainted when making judgements need a clear head.
Everyone has the right to their own opinions yet these views about how good a player is are frequently inaccurate by your typical football fan.
It's not just anyone who can be a scout.
So "a lot of boro fans were saying this move was too early for him, and he should wait for the summer" clearly have no idea but take your point.
Post by: stevo_st on April 22, 2024, 10:46:44 AM
Post by: ian c. on April 22, 2024, 10:48:23 AM
Also , because drinking is so common in the Northeast, people's judgement is also tainted when making judgements need a clear head.
I can confirm everybody I have ever met from the NE has been a Snake Bite fuelled lunatic who has never played football in their life.
Post by: UK Redsox on April 22, 2024, 10:48:40 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
Rogers in the Villa team
Ramsey sold. I fear that his body isn't up to it
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 10:52:01 AM
Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.
Where would you fit both of them in though?
Rogers in the Villa team
Ramsey sold. I fear that his body isn't up to it
Well it is only his foot. We will have to see if the several months of healing has the desired effect rather then the several weeks it initially had.
Post by: caster troy on April 22, 2024, 10:55:02 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 10:57:01 AM
I believe Rodgers is considerably better suited to Emery's football techniques than Carrick's basic skills.
The man who is Boro's top scorer irritates them because he left, they now seem to imply he isn't good and won't make it.
He's doing incredibly well and Rodgers will only get better in our team.
It's the case that he's in the team because Luiz is suspended and there are injuries, but Boro fans should either focus on themselves or show some respect to Rodgers.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 11:00:11 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 22, 2024, 11:01:47 AM
Cant wait next season a fit JJ and Rogers and Buendia too. Fantastic times to come.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 22, 2024, 11:14:56 AM
Got great hopes for Morgan.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 11:18:33 AM
At the risk of hyperbole, some of his play yesterday was world class.If it was Bellingham there'd be another mural made.
Got great hopes for Morgan.
I think his aim could well be to be the England team understudy to Bellingham. Similar attributes. Love the taking on players in middle of the park.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 22, 2024, 11:22:47 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 22, 2024, 11:23:12 AM
Get a load of this.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1753376717442539626
What a dumbass.
"Premier League ignorance..."
I would say there is a fair bit of that in play tbh.
But then again, why should Unai Emery know of every player in the league below when he comes from Spain. Im sure the chap commenting the above wouldn't know every player in the Spanish second division, which would make that "Championship fan ignorance..."
I don't think its a huge criticism, albeit the comment comes from a shoulder chip the size of Bristol.
He has watched videos of Boro before our game with them using his "every single detail" frame of mind & spotted Rogers & thought he could make a decent player out of him. I don't think he had spotted him before we sold them Azaz, otherwise the two would have been in the same deal.
The fact that Rogers has responded to the excellent coaching & development of Emery so quickly, shows that Emery was absolutely correct & the deal has worked out for everybody concerned.
Rogers has surprised me how quickly he has adapted tbh. I also questioned the fee, initially, until I saw his overall league contribution & then I thought it was pretty fair market value.
Now, I think it ciukd become an absolute bargain.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 22, 2024, 11:26:52 AM
Post by: Steve67 on April 22, 2024, 11:26:58 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 22, 2024, 11:41:13 AM
a lot of boro fans were saying this move was too early for him, and he should wait for the summer.
clearly given he's from the west midlands (and the players and staff poached from west brom in recent years) has been a massive help for him to settle as quickly as he has.
Generally there is a lack insight and football acumen and have either a biassed opinion or a rudimentary comprehension of player judgement and that's a typical football fan. It seems that the Boro supporters are judging him incorrectly.
Additionally, many of these fans haven't played the game very much, if at all, and that can occasionally be an issue.
Also , because drinking is so common in the Northeast, people's judgement is also tainted when making judgements need a clear head.
Everyone has the right to their own opinions yet these views about how good a player is are frequently inaccurate by your typical football fan.
It's not just anyone who can be a scout.
So "a lot of boro fans were saying this move was too early for him, and he should wait for the summer" clearly have no idea but take your point.
I think that you should go up there with your Villa shirt on and a loud speaker to deliver that message word for word outside their ground at the next home match. You should also add a few bits about how much more intellectually superior you are to them, both in football and general terms. They're a nice friendly bunch up there, keen for self analysis and improvement so i'm sure they'll take it well.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 11:47:34 AM
He has watched videos of Boro before our game with them using his "every single detail" frame of mind & spotted Rogers & thought he could make a decent player out of him. I don't think he had spotted him before we sold them Azaz, otherwise the two would have been in the same deal.
As we played them several weeks before the Azaz change etc, I suspect he had seen him beforehand. It might be the way PSR worked it was more financially beneficial for us to split the deal, ie get a £1mil value for Azaz and then a separate deal with amortising £8mil over 4/5 years rather then just the £7mil over 4/5 years. (Not sure how add-ons are treated within PSR).
Post by: cdward on April 22, 2024, 11:52:18 AM
Young players in particular can look at how well Rogers has developed by working under a top class coach/manager.
I always think part of the attraction of signing for Man City is that the player will be coached by one of the top managers in football, although after watching Kalvin Phillips experience that attraction may not be as strong.
I think Villa will become a serious destination now for attracting good (young) players, with Unai as your boss, your game will definitely improve and with European football, you will get great experience.
Post by: olaftab on April 22, 2024, 12:01:58 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 12:20:56 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 12:23:34 PM
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
Post by: The Moose on April 22, 2024, 12:28:37 PM
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 12:30:49 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2024, 12:32:31 PM
I was talking about him with my brother in the pub for the game. He was still to be convinced but I thought in recent games Rogers had to look the part. He’d changed his mind by the time of our post match drink.
Yeah but he'd probably had a skinful by then so we need his sober judgement.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 12:51:02 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Means we can nickname him 'Buck' I suppose.
25th Century Player
Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2024, 01:02:46 PM
Yes, that's what I was thinking.I think Rogers best position could well end up being in the 'number 10' role, which would allow Ramsey to come back in on the left.Getting Ramsey fit for next season is important because the prospect of JJ and Rogers playing in the same side is very exciting.Where would you fit both of them in though?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 22, 2024, 01:12:34 PM
Post by: supertom on April 22, 2024, 01:14:25 PM
I felt like he did that yesterday for the most part and as Unai has said, this kid learns fast. His recent progress has been very impressive.
He played some excellent passes yesterday and made some of what are becoming trademark breakaways and the finish, like his goal against Brentford was superb.
So much potential. He can play wide, as a 10, and perhaps even be turned into a clinical striker too. I didn't think we'd see too much of him until next season but he looks the part already. Bargain.
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 01:17:19 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Means we can nickname him 'Buck' I suppose.
25th Century Player
I think you mean Bduck
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 01:19:13 PM
He just seems like a grounded, enthusiastic young man too, which is precisely the sort of player we seem to focus on signing these days. I'm all for it.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 22, 2024, 01:19:17 PM
'if he could learn to release the ball at the right time/to the right player, he could be immense. '
I think he does that brilliantly, it's probably his biggest strength (amongst many strengths, including strength) and he just does it naturally. Some of his passing was exceptional and the ball through for Watkins which led to the second goal was world class.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 01:22:17 PM
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
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Means we can nickname him 'Buck' I suppose.
25th Century Player
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I think you mean Bduck
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Buckd
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 01:24:03 PM
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Means we can nickname him 'Buck' I suppose.
25th Century Player
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I think you mean Bduck
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Buckd
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Quote fadil
Post by: Demitri_C on April 22, 2024, 01:26:10 PM
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Means we can nickname him 'Buck' I suppose.
25th Century Player
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I think you mean Bduck
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Buckd
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So you are saying there is a chance there is a D in his name then ? 🤭
Post by: paul_e on April 22, 2024, 01:29:44 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 01:31:29 PM
Oh Rob, that's a beautiful quote fail.
One of the best. It's why I do it so infrequently.
Post by: Martyn Smith on April 22, 2024, 01:41:35 PM
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 01:50:25 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 22, 2024, 01:51:12 PM
Thank you Danny Murphy for letting us know that the reason why he's blossomed so well is because of the time he spent at Man City...
Danny Murphy is an absolute clueless bellend.
Post by: Dogtanian on April 22, 2024, 01:53:12 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
Post by: Dogtanian on April 22, 2024, 01:56:30 PM
West Brom have obviously done a good job with him to get him on their radar. Boro then did a good job with him to get him on ours. And Emery has gone a good job with him because you can literally see the improvement in him in only a few months.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 22, 2024, 01:59:00 PM
Quote
...after a decade at Albion, Manchester City’s offer in excess of £4million was accepted and Rogers headed to the Etihad Campus just after turning 17.
He was a part of the Man City under-18 side which beat Chelsea 3-2 in the FA Youth Cup final in 2020, scoring one of the goals, but admitted to struggling to adapt to City’s structure. Pep Guardiola’s methods are spread across the club’s youth sides to allow academy players to fit into the first-team when called on.
However, Rogers felt like a “mannequin” in City’s rigid structure and couldn’t express himself, so his first loan spell at Lincoln - who played a free brand of football - came as a relief. It was his most productive loan spell despite only being at the age of 18...
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/morgan-rogers-england-aston-villa-28539616#comments-wrapper
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 02:07:16 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 02:15:40 PM
Oh Rob, that's a beautiful quote fail.
One of the best. It's why I do it so infrequently.
Always going to happen from Rob_brige.
Post by: darren woolley on April 22, 2024, 02:37:57 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 02:39:20 PM
I think you mean Bduck
Was it Duck Rogers or Duck Dodgers in the Looney Tunes cartoons?
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 03:08:45 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
May I remind you that most academy footballers don't make it.
Going in at 8 , 10 , 12 years old majority aren't deemed good enough eventually at 16 onwards
The reason it's such a small number that makes it is because of what it takes in those developing years to be a pro footballer.
Then you get the special talents and Morgan Rogers is clearly one of these.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 03:09:52 PM
If his time at Man City's academy is the reason for his success, then why after two years playing there did he not impress in any of his loans?
West Brom have obviously done a good job with him to get him on their radar. Boro then did a good job with him to get him on ours. And Emery has gone a good job with him because you can literally see the improvement in him in only a few months.
Clearly the clubs weren't right for him. Not playing the right football , the system and the set up.
It's hardly his fault because he's been said to be a wonderful talent and suited to Premier League football.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 22, 2024, 03:34:43 PM
I think you mean Bduck
Was it Duck Rogers or Duck Dodgers in the Looney Tunes cartoons?
Duck Dodgers. Class.
Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2024, 04:05:16 PM
His goal was so very, very good. First of all the surging run, but then the skill to cut inside the defender, and unleash a fantastic finish. But also the supreme confidence in his own ability when I suspect most players his age would have looked to have passed it in the area.
The finish looked good but it did come off the keeper's face.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 22, 2024, 04:06:25 PM
So it was a good finish thenHis goal was so very, very good. First of all the surging run, but then the skill to cut inside the defender, and unleash a fantastic finish. But also the supreme confidence in his own ability when I suspect most players his age would have looked to have passed it in the area.
The finish looked good but it did come off the keeper's face.
Post by: Dogtanian on April 22, 2024, 04:13:21 PM
So it was a good finish thenHis goal was so very, very good. First of all the surging run, but then the skill to cut inside the defender, and unleash a fantastic finish. But also the supreme confidence in his own ability when I suspect most players his age would have looked to have passed it in the area.
The finish looked good but it did come off the keeper's face.
That was the best bit for me. ;D
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 22, 2024, 04:13:28 PM
Post by: Monty on April 22, 2024, 04:18:47 PM
His goal was so very, very good. First of all the surging run, but then the skill to cut inside the defender, and unleash a fantastic finish. But also the supreme confidence in his own ability when I suspect most players his age would have looked to have passed it in the area.
The finish looked good but it did come off the keeper's face.
So not only was it a fine goal, it was also funny.
Post by: Mister E on April 22, 2024, 04:47:21 PM
You need to read the piece above, from Andy_Lochhead_in_the_airIf his time at Man City's academy is the reason for his success, then why after two years playing there did he not impress in any of his loans?Clearly the clubs weren't right for him. Not playing the right football , the system and the set up.
West Brom have obviously done a good job with him to get him on their radar. Boro then did a good job with him to get him on ours. And Emery has gone a good job with him because you can literally see the improvement in him in only a few months.
It's hardly his fault because he's been said to be a wonderful talent and suited to Premier League football.
Post by: Beard82 on April 22, 2024, 05:03:14 PM
Its ok - but think we can find a better chant for him.May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
There's no 'd' in Rogers.
NO F***ING 'D' in Rogers!
It's Rogers, not Rodgers.
NO D!
Post by: eye digress on April 22, 2024, 08:03:48 PM
His goal was so very, very good. First of all the surging run, but then the skill to cut inside the defender, and unleash a fantastic finish. But also the supreme confidence in his own ability when I suspect most players his age would have looked to have passed it in the area.
It really was.
A few of you have suggested comparisons - notably with Stan and Atkinson, due to the upper body strength and ball carrying prowess.
But this particular finish had Yorkie written through it like a stick of rock.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 22, 2024, 08:11:05 PM
Post by: AV84 on April 22, 2024, 11:02:28 PM
No No, no No No No, no no no no, no no D in Rogers
(Sounds a bit Vicar of Dibley when I see it written out)
Post by: VillaTim on April 22, 2024, 11:04:35 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 22, 2024, 11:15:29 PM
Song suggestion - to the tune of No Limits by 2Unlimited
No No, no No No No, no no no no, no no D in Rogers
Could work, but may leave fans in general wondering what it's about.
Maybe something like "Morgan's swerves is all we ever needed him to show" etc. to the tune of 'More than Words'.
Post by: VillaTim on April 22, 2024, 11:24:36 PM
"Rogers G not D
He's bigger than thee and me
He's gonna score one or 3
Etc
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 22, 2024, 11:56:35 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
Something in my brain just clicked and I remembered that Morgan Rogers was originally meant to be part of the Jack Grealish transfer, where he was valued at £10m in part exchange.
Confirmed by Meaning Evil:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-grealish-villa-city-transfer-21192405
At the time, I think we dismissed it, as nobody knew who he was and was thought to be a pisstake valuation. So he has been on our radar for awhile.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 23, 2024, 03:50:58 AM
Generally there is a lack insight and football acumen and have either a biassed opinion or a rudimentary comprehension of player judgement and that's a typical football fan.
Yes, I’ve noticed that.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 23, 2024, 03:52:31 AM
I wish you would show some respect for Rogers by spelling his surname correctly even once.
You’d think one of them would be able to.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 23, 2024, 11:21:48 AM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
Something in my brain just clicked and I remembered that Morgan Rogers was originally meant to be part of the Jack Grealish transfer, where he was valued at £10m in part exchange.
Confirmed by Meaning Evil:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-grealish-villa-city-transfer-21192405
At the time, I think we dismissed it, as nobody knew who he was and was thought to be a pisstake valuation. So he has been on our radar for awhile.
Interesting, especially since his performance on Sunday was pretty much Grealish without all of the 'look at me' fannying about and falling over.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 23, 2024, 12:15:02 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2024, 12:17:54 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
Something in my brain just clicked and I remembered that Morgan Rogers was originally meant to be part of the Jack Grealish transfer, where he was valued at £10m in part exchange.
Confirmed by Meaning Evil:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-grealish-villa-city-transfer-21192405
At the time, I think we dismissed it, as nobody knew who he was and was thought to be a pisstake valuation. So he has been on our radar for awhile.
Interesting, especially since his performance on Sunday was pretty much Grealish without all of the 'look at me' fannying about and falling over.
C’mon now. Let’s not rewrite history. Grealish was just outstanding for us. Rogers will do very well to get close to that level.
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2024, 12:35:11 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 23, 2024, 12:42:48 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 23, 2024, 12:59:43 PM
Post by: usav on April 23, 2024, 01:04:35 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 23, 2024, 03:23:07 PM
May I remind or make aware Rodgers is known to Mark Harrison who is Villa academy manager. His knowledge and development of Rodgers is a key part of him signing, settling and knowing his abilities
He was previously WBA academy manager and West Brom coaches spoke about how Morgan Rogers would one day play in the Champions League, being held in a completely different, higher level of esteem.
I don't think this has much truth in it. If Harrison was so confident in him then surely we would have been in for him when Boro got him for a cool one million. Instead we only looked at him six months later when Emery saw him and his price had gone up to £8-15m.
Something in my brain just clicked and I remembered that Morgan Rogers was originally meant to be part of the Jack Grealish transfer, where he was valued at £10m in part exchange.
Confirmed by Meaning Evil:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jack-grealish-villa-city-transfer-21192405
At the time, I think we dismissed it, as nobody knew who he was and was thought to be a pisstake valuation. So he has been on our radar for awhile.
Interesting, especially since his performance on Sunday was pretty much Grealish without all of the 'look at me' fannying about and falling over.
C’mon now. Let’s not rewrite history. Grealish was just outstanding for us. Rogers will do very well to get close to that level.
DGrealish can eff off. Rogers however, is playing with a swagger, composure and enjoyment that's just a joy to behold.
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2024, 03:24:23 PM
DGrealish can eff off. Rogers however, is playing with a swagger, composure and enjoyment that's just a joy to behold.
Missed a perfect chance there, if you're going to add a d it has to be GreaDlish.
Post by: Paul.S on April 23, 2024, 04:11:41 PM
The injury’s, especially to Ramsey, have meant he has been asked to step up and he’s certainly done that.
The confidence and ability he’s shown, especially for his goals against Brentford and Bournemouth has been a huge boost. The way he ran through the Wolves midfield whilst they were hanging off his shirt made me sit up and think we had a player. The early signs are very good and a very nice surprise.
Post by: LeeB on April 23, 2024, 04:14:53 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 23, 2024, 04:20:25 PM
You could make the argument that without his signing we may not have got to where we are now, it's been crucial.Yes. From being entirely underwhelmed to watching him quickly turn into a very important player has been great. It's almost like our recruitment team know what they're doing.
Post by: algy on April 23, 2024, 05:23:00 PM
Well I went to the North East on TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS to see my mate and GOT AS PISSED AS A FART both times. We attempted to play football hungover on one of those visits and I WAS SHOCKINGLY POOR with very little chance of making the England squad.
Also , because drinking is so common in the Northeast, people's judgement is also tainted when making judgements need a clear head.
I can confirm everybody I have ever met from the NE has been a Snake Bite fuelled lunatic who has never played football in their life.
So it holds up
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 23, 2024, 07:06:41 PM
(https://scontent.fbhx4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/437516553_818110843683577_893800576595367390_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=HlyuqTi0eOkAb7dmxAD&_nc_ht=scontent.fbhx4-2.fna&oh=00_AfBSxZpZzVXc-vR0e3TKrkOhNOg58T12jiajkAUKY48Rbw&oe=662DBCCA)
Post by: Dogtanian on April 25, 2024, 06:28:19 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/13122814/morgan-rogers-impact-at-aston-villa-strength-skill-and-the-ideal-fit-for-unai-emery-since-signing-in-january (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/13122814/morgan-rogers-impact-at-aston-villa-strength-skill-and-the-ideal-fit-for-unai-emery-since-signing-in-january)
“…he just said, 'Put me on their biggest player. I will do the job.'”
Post by: nigel on April 26, 2024, 09:17:55 AM
Article on Rogers;
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/13122814/morgan-rogers-impact-at-aston-villa-strength-skill-and-the-ideal-fit-for-unai-emery-since-signing-in-january (https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/13122814/morgan-rogers-impact-at-aston-villa-strength-skill-and-the-ideal-fit-for-unai-emery-since-signing-in-january)
“…he just said, 'Put me on their biggest player. I will do the job.'”
“This was no punt…….
When we analysed and we signed him, it was because we analysed his ability to adapt quickly to our structure."
Post by: Risso on April 26, 2024, 10:03:40 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 26, 2024, 10:52:47 AM
I wonder how you actually go about analysing how quickly a player will adapt?
'Oi, Harrison can this Rodgers lad adapt?'
'Yes boss, he's so adaptable he'll even cope with his name being misspelt all the fucking time'
Post by: OCD on April 26, 2024, 11:13:37 AM
Post by: trinityoap on April 26, 2024, 11:53:29 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 26, 2024, 12:05:54 PM
He reminds me a bit of Trevor Brooking.
Quicker though?
Post by: WarszaVillan on April 26, 2024, 12:15:25 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 26, 2024, 02:25:44 PM
Post by: nigel on April 27, 2024, 08:39:02 AM
I wonder how you actually go about analysing how quickly a player will adapt?
It’s what Unai said, and I guess he knows what he’s looking for.
He appears to be correct, too 👍
Post by: AV84 on April 27, 2024, 11:07:10 AM
I wonder how you actually go about analysing how quickly a player will adapt?
I was wondering the same. And also what happened with Tielemans and Zaniolo where it took most of the season for them to adapt even a bit.
Although maybe it was a case of a January signing needing to hit the ground running so they factored that in more than they would in the summer.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 11:19:21 AM
I wonder how you actually go about analysing how quickly a player will adapt?
I was wondering the same. And also what happened with Tielemans and Zaniolo where it took most of the season for them to adapt even a bit.
Although maybe it was a case of a January signing needing to hit the ground running so they factored that in more than they would in the summer.
I expect Tielemans was dropped in the team early and in a position not specifically planned for with the Buendia injury. I suspect he might have been bought in as more of a backup for Luiz. Same with Zani as well, a fast sticking plaster for the same position. Rogers on the other hand seems to have been factored as a Ramsey replacement and I suspect they had a good month to analyse him and his style of play before the bids went in.
However I think recent Emery quotes actually have them surprising the team on how fast he is getting upto speed.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 27, 2024, 09:02:46 PM
His performance up to the goal was quite poor, mainly his passing accuracy, and he appeared to look like a raw and inexperienced player.
That was the main drawback of being a young player, but he has proven himself worthy of being in the starting eleven because he possesses true ability and finishes with style. It'll all come down to consistency, as he can power his way forward and is incredible to watch and gives great anticipation something will happen any time on the ball.
And it was a great little tribute to Cole Palmer way he celebrated with the cold celebration!!
The youngest ever Villa player to score in 3 successive home games in 150 years of our history!!
Wow!!
Post by: Beard82 on April 27, 2024, 09:03:48 PM
Ie by changing it to something else not by stopping scoring
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 09:12:29 PM
The youngest ever Villa player to score in 3 successive home games in 150 years of our history!!
Wow!!
The stat is since football began on 92. It might be true in our whole history but Brian Little and Gary Shaw both were teenagers for scoring loads so they might have done that.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2024, 10:20:50 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 27, 2024, 10:36:06 PM
A good player clearly but was loose in possession time and again and will have to improve, which he will, in his standards.
Post by: Goldenballs on April 27, 2024, 10:40:13 PM
Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2024, 10:43:00 PM
Brilliant since he’s joined us, and a lovely finish - the only thing, and I’m sure it’ll come, but he has to get better at the defensive side. It’s very easy to get past him, and run off him. It’s why Chelsea got so much joy down the flank.
He's much better central I think. Surprised Emery didn't switch it up and played him up near Watkins like at Arsenal. Bailey would have worked harder on the left to help Digne.
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2024, 10:44:11 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 28, 2024, 01:04:28 AM
His first below par for his new club tonight. He was playing Championship football four months ago and has been brilliant for us. Tonight is a learning point for him. Cracking player, just below par.
Agreed.
Post by: colin69 on April 28, 2024, 01:06:33 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 01:08:54 AM
Post by: darren woolley on April 28, 2024, 02:45:39 AM
Even when below par he scored. For a 21 year old with 7 top flight starts he's doing amazing.
I totally agree with you.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 28, 2024, 08:49:48 AM
He's clearly not quite as fit as the rest of the squad and it shows in the latter parts of games, his closing down suffers but yet again, injuries mean we had to use subs elsewhere. That we are where we are with so many injuries is remarkable.
And most importantly of all, Cole Palmer copied the goal celebration from him, they are good friends and CP is on record saying that.
Post by: Ian. on April 28, 2024, 08:50:04 AM
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2024, 10:10:56 AM
Not his game last night, but what a lovely finish.
Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2024, 10:29:27 AM
I'd like to see a game next season with Kamara fit, playing alongside McGinn, with JJ on one side and Rogers on the other, for the most physical midfield going. Pass, run, arse and kicking fuckers off the park.
Not his game last night, but what a lovely finish.
What about Zaniolo to come on as a sub?
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2024, 10:53:07 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 28, 2024, 11:15:00 AM
He wasn’t as good as the week before overall by any means but Chelsea (******) seemed to have saved their two best performances of the season for Villa park. In the end I was happy with the point as Chelsea didn’t let us play at all and second half were a big threat themselves.
Post by: VillaTim on April 28, 2024, 11:18:13 AM
Post by: Mister E on April 28, 2024, 11:34:56 AM
I would think we almost certainly won't be persevering with Zaniolo.Here's hoping.
Post by: Smithy on April 28, 2024, 05:05:14 PM
I would think we almost certainly won't be persevering with Zaniolo.Here's hoping.
Isn't our option to buy quite expensive as well? Something like £20m plus another ten or so in add-ons? I just don't see us spending £20m+ on him, given he hasn't exactly stood out when he's played. He's fine as a squad player, and scored a couple of important goals this season, but he definitely doesn't make our strongest 11, and probably doesn't even come off the bench as an option if everyone is fit and available. Rogers' better-than-expected start to life in the premier league has pushed him down the pecking order even further. I'd be happy to see him sent back with our good wishes and replaced with another loan next season with a similar profile (young-ish, International, something to prove, worth a punt) on a sale-or-return basis.
Post by: SaddVillan on April 28, 2024, 05:42:18 PM
A couple of goals yes, but overall he's been underwhelming. For such a big bloke, he has next to no physical presence - too easily brushed off or tackled off the ball. He lost far too many ground duels and was disposesed far too easily.
Thanks for what you did Nico, all the best for the future - elsewhere.
Post by: Smithy on April 28, 2024, 07:26:06 PM
Zaniolo has probably only shown what he can do for about 45 minutes in total of his loan spell.
A couple of goals yes, but overall he's been underwhelming. For such a big bloke, he has next to no physical presence - too easily brushed off or tackled off the ball. He lost far too many ground duels and was disposesed far too easily.
Thanks for what you did Nico, all the best for the future - elsewhere.
I would agree generally, but he absolutely destroyed Ben White physically at the Emirates, with White being one of the biggest right-backs in the country. His performance that day went a LONG way to ensuring our victory. Shame it's happened so rarely.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 01, 2024, 07:44:01 PM
https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/RG7Npws1EEmU23C5mVAdtQ/Show/How-Rogers-stepped-up-in-Aston-Villa’s-top-four-charge (https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/RG7Npws1EEmU23C5mVAdtQ/Show/How-Rogers-stepped-up-in-Aston-Villa’s-top-four-charge)
Post by: manic-road on May 05, 2024, 04:09:43 PM
Post by: Rigadon on May 05, 2024, 04:10:21 PM
Post by: supertom on May 05, 2024, 04:47:47 PM
I really think we're gonna need a rejig in midfield to improve ball retention. Unfortunately, quite what the answer is, I don't know because I don't think Tim is good enough. He might make a difference purely for having fresh legs but we'll see. Kellyman I like but he's also very young to be relied upon.
But we're definitely going to miss Morgan. I think that's probably his season done.
Post by: Monty on May 05, 2024, 04:48:51 PM
Post by: Risso on May 05, 2024, 04:50:27 PM
Actually it's somehow worse, as Zaniolo had finally started to look like the player we thought we were getting and bam!, injured.
Let's not get carried away, he'd had one decent game.
Post by: Demitri_C on May 05, 2024, 04:50:30 PM
Post by: Risso on May 05, 2024, 04:51:01 PM
He looked like he was walking off ok. We sure its a hamstring ?
It looked like he was rubbing his hamstring as he walked off, so yes, probably.
Post by: Monty on May 05, 2024, 04:52:29 PM
Actually it's somehow worse, as Zaniolo had finally started to look like the player we thought we were getting and bam!, injured.
Let's not get carried away, he'd had one decent game.
Had a few I thought, and one very good.
Anyway it's moot, other than pointing out the awful timing of these injuries.
Post by: Risso on May 05, 2024, 04:56:26 PM
Anyway it's moot, other than pointing out the awful timing of these injuries.
The only games he played more than half an hour were Arsenal (very good) and Man City (not much cop at all). Other than that it was his usual half an hour sub appearances which ranged from the poor (Spurs and Brentford) to the OK (West Ham and Wolves). If I'm remembering them correctly. But yes, he'd at least be another option at the moment if fit.
Post by: Steve67 on May 05, 2024, 05:29:59 PM
Post by: Monty on May 05, 2024, 05:32:43 PM
Anyway it's moot, other than pointing out the awful timing of these injuries.
The only games he played more than half an hour were Arsenal (very good) and Man City (not much cop at all). Other than that it was his usual half an hour sub appearances which ranged from the poor (Spurs and Brentford) to the OK (West Ham and Wolves). If I'm remembering them correctly. But yes, he'd at least be another option at the moment if fit.
Think I just thought more of his West Ham and Wolves contributions, which I thought - especially the latter - were better than OK.
Anyway, genuinely shite in this context to lose Rogers today. Quite extraordinary really.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 05, 2024, 05:38:05 PM
He looked like he was walking off ok. We sure its a hamstring ?
It looked like he was rubbing his hamstring as he walked off, so yes, probably.
He also went straight off rather then playing the next 30-60 seconds whilst a sub could be made, the latter usually happens with a basic knock that means they can't continue but are ok enough to not put us down to 10 men for the sub time.
Post by: Drummond on May 05, 2024, 06:10:11 PM
He looked like he was walking off ok. We sure its a hamstring ?
It looked like he was rubbing his hamstring as he walked off, so yes, probably.
Probably an ACL.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 05, 2024, 07:28:48 PM
He looked like he was walking off ok. We sure its a hamstring ?
It looked like he was rubbing his hamstring as he walked off, so yes, probably.
Probably an ACL.
They're probably trying desperately to stitch his head back on right now.
Post by: VillaTim on May 05, 2024, 09:20:44 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 05, 2024, 09:22:41 PM
The great news is he's come on so well in the last six weeks that he'll be a fantastic option for all next season will bring.
Him, Ramsey and Buendia all fully fit in August and that is excellent depth for the left hand midfield side. Surely we won't be signing Zaniolo?
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 05, 2024, 11:56:00 PM
Looked a simple muscle pull so probably a couple of weeks but given it's May probably season ending.
The great news is he's come on so well in the last six weeks that he'll be a fantastic option for all next season will bring.
Him, Ramsey and Buendia all fully fit in August and that is excellent depth for the left hand midfield side. Surely we won't be signing Zaniolo?
Irrespective of those three being fit, surely we won’t sign Zaniolo?
Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2024, 12:30:08 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on May 06, 2024, 07:48:25 AM
Why did it take so long for Cash to come on for Rogers today? We were down to 10 men during which time Brighton had an attack. You'd have been spitting feathers if they had scored in that time.
I assume a lot of it was working out how the were going to rejig an already rejigged team and then passing that on to the players 15 minutes into the game. It’s not as though it was a like for like replacement.
Post by: Demitri_C on May 06, 2024, 08:21:24 AM
Why did it take so long for Cash to come on for Rogers today? We were down to 10 men during which time Brighton had an attack. You'd have been spitting feathers if they had scored in that time.
Honestly i think it was a bad sub. For me cash as a rw never works so why not havw given kellyman a go in his natural position? It was a perfect opportunity to see how he does
Post by: Drummond on May 06, 2024, 09:22:07 AM
Why did it take so long for Cash to come on for Rogers today? We were down to 10 men during which time Brighton had an attack. You'd have been spitting feathers if they had scored in that time.
Honestly i think it was a bad sub. For me cash as a rw never works so why not havw given kellyman a go in his natural position? It was a perfect opportunity to see how he does
Cash was the one player who brought energy and drive.
Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2024, 09:23:52 AM
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2024, 09:25:36 AM
Well, to be fair, I'd have brought on Tim and sent McGinn wide to provide a bit more stability but - in all seriousness - who the fuck am I.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 06, 2024, 09:31:06 AM
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2024, 09:32:54 AM
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2024, 09:34:34 AM
I'd have put Cash at right back and maybe gone 3 at the back (in the middle) to give Torres a bit more licence to get forward and help out in midfield. Or brought Tim on to partner McGinn and free up Luiz a bit.
I actually thought we might do this from the start. The only area we have options in is at the back - why not use them to try and maximise our numbers in that middle-third bit we have such issues playing through? It's worked before.
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2024, 09:36:21 AM
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2024, 09:43:34 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on May 06, 2024, 09:50:44 AM
Why did it take so long for Cash to come on for Rogers today? We were down to 10 men during which time Brighton had an attack. You'd have been spitting feathers if they had scored in that time.
Honestly i think it was a bad sub. For me cash as a rw never works so why not havw given kellyman a go in his natural position? It was a perfect opportunity to see how he does
Cash was the one player who brought energy and drive.
I think he wss better than a bad bunch but his performance only stood out because everyone else was so bad.
Would rather have seen konsa go off and put cash at rb and he made a double sub
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2024, 06:43:28 PM
A bit more care in what he does in between games would have not seen that type of injury occur
Post by: usav on May 06, 2024, 06:52:31 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2024, 06:54:36 PM
The period between after game Thursday to game at Brighton Sunday was crucial because saw Morgan Rogers get injured in the match . It's no surprise being a young player not doing the right work off duty and unfortunately experienced a tight hamstring on duty on Sunday and had to go off.
A bit more care in what he does in between games would have not seen that type of injury occur
Unsubstantiated nonsense.
Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2024, 06:55:09 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on May 06, 2024, 06:55:55 PM
What are you talking about? You have no idea what he did between Thursday and Sunday.
Saw him in the Windsor in town doing Gangnam Style on his own around 10.30pm Saturday night.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 06, 2024, 06:59:43 PM
The period between after game Thursday to game at Brighton Sunday was crucial because saw Morgan Rogers get injured in the match . It's no surprise being a young player not doing the right work off duty and unfortunately experienced a tight hamstring on duty on Sunday and had to go off.
A bit more care in what he does in between games would have not seen that type of injury occur
The thing with that is we now have a veritable army of people checking everything about a player and what they do in training and warm ups. I don’t think it’s now possible for one player to screw this up, it would take all the people monitoring to miss it too.
Post by: Steve67 on May 06, 2024, 07:48:36 PM
The period between after game Thursday to game at Brighton Sunday was crucial because saw Morgan Rogers get injured in the match . It's no surprise being a young player not doing the right work off duty and unfortunately experienced a tight hamstring on duty on Sunday and had to go off.
A bit more care in what he does in between games would have not seen that type of injury occur
Is there an ignore button? Utter shit.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 06, 2024, 08:17:44 PM
Before he caught the plane to Dublin?What are you talking about? You have no idea what he did between Thursday and Sunday.
Saw him in the Windsor in town doing Gangnam Style on his own around 10.30pm Saturday night.
Post by: olaftab on May 06, 2024, 08:19:28 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 06, 2024, 08:20:03 PM
Anyway is there any news on Rogers’ injury that’s not full of nonsense?
Don't expect to hear much until the presser tomorrow.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 01:07:52 AM
Injury of the kind can happens if the proper things are not done.
Please make an effort to have a little more thought if you want to join discussion that some of the above comments.
Thank You.
Post by: Ads on May 07, 2024, 04:03:54 AM
It's the Players responsibility
Injury of the kind can happens if the proper things are not done.
Please make an effort to have a little more thought if you want to join discussion that some of the above comments.
Thank You.
You chat absolute shite. I've done my hamstring, it happens, regardless of how much stretching, warming up or how deep into the sport/exercise you're doing.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 07, 2024, 09:45:23 AM
Yes there is and it makes threads like this a lot easier tbh.The period between after game Thursday to game at Brighton Sunday was crucial because saw Morgan Rogers get injured in the match . It's no surprise being a young player not doing the right work off duty and unfortunately experienced a tight hamstring on duty on Sunday and had to go off.
A bit more care in what he does in between games would have not seen that type of injury occur
Is there an ignore button? Utter shit.
Post by: pablo_picasso on May 07, 2024, 09:51:56 AM
It's the Players responsibility
Injury of the kind can happens if the proper things are not done.
Please make an effort to have a little more thought if you want to join discussion that some of the above comments.
Thank You.
You chat absolute shite. I've done my hamstring, it happens, regardless of how much stretching, warming up or how deep into the sport/exercise you're doing.
Same...
Post by: The Edge on May 07, 2024, 09:54:27 AM
The period between after game Thursday to game at Brighton Sunday was crucial because saw Morgan Rogers get injured in the match . It's no surprise being a young player not doing the right work off duty and unfortunately experienced a tight hamstring on duty on Sunday and had to go off.Maaaate. You had a bit of a meltdown on another thread and you asked people to leave you alone. Then you post this crap. Seriously are you OK?
A bit more care in what he does in between games would have not seen that type of injury occur
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 09:58:13 AM
The period between after game Thursday to game at Brighton Sunday was crucial because saw Morgan Rogers get injured in the match . It's no surprise being a young player not doing the right work off duty and unfortunately experienced a tight hamstring on duty on Sunday and had to go off.Maaaate. You had a bit of a meltdown on another thread and you asked people to leave you alone. Then you post this crap. Seriously are you OK?
A bit more care in what he does in between games would have not seen that type of injury occur
It looks suspiciously like their MO. Post a load of nonsense (stuff about "insight", loads of posts questioning the behaviour of fan favourites like McGinn and Rogers, predictions of reserve goalies starting etc etc) with the full intention of getting people to bite, then do a "waaaaah, the nasty big boys are picking on me" post shortly after they do. Rinse and repeat. Whatever gets them through the day, I guess.
Post by: Luffbralion on May 07, 2024, 10:04:16 AM
That must have been the second half of last season.....when he was on loan at Blackpool. How do these people get these jobs with such shabby lack of research?
Post by: Proposition Joe on May 07, 2024, 11:32:35 AM
The period between after game Thursday to game at Brighton Sunday was crucial because saw Morgan Rogers get injured in the match . It's no surprise being a young player not doing the right work off duty and unfortunately experienced a tight hamstring on duty on Sunday and had to go off.Maaaate. You had a bit of a meltdown on another thread and you asked people to leave you alone. Then you post this crap. Seriously are you OK?
A bit more care in what he does in between games would have not seen that type of injury occur
It looks suspiciously like their MO. Post a load of nonsense (stuff about "insight", loads of posts questioning the behaviour of fan favourites like McGinn and Rogers, predictions of reserve goalies starting etc etc) with the full intention of getting people to bite, then do a "waaaaah, the nasty big boys are picking on me" post shortly after they do. Rinse and repeat. Whatever gets them through the day, I guess.
You all think it's a person, not some kind of bot?
Post by: Monty on May 07, 2024, 11:34:57 AM
Footy, I think your post about Rogers is wildly wrong, but good luck to you with it! I seem to remember sticking up for MON and (incredibly) Rémi Garde, so nobody's perfect.
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 12:06:17 PM
You all think it's a person, not some kind of bot?
More than one person, on a long and elaborate wind up. To what end, I don't know.
Post by: VillaTim on May 07, 2024, 12:22:04 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2024, 12:29:51 PM
Do we know how long he's out for ?
Footy? I’m sure he’ll be off again shortly…..
Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2024, 12:31:35 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on May 07, 2024, 12:43:19 PM
Do hammys suffer from sudden consistent usage at a high-level of performance? Rogers/the staff can't have expected his involvement to be so high especially compared to what he was used to. Is this something that happens with young players?
Anything that overstretches the muscles & tendons can cause it.
Overuse might come into play for a player like Rogers because he wasn't a regular before he came to Villa.
So the sudden sharp, powerful movements he would make in his position could be the cause.
But its impossible for any of us to tell...
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 01:20:00 PM
Do hammys suffer from sudden consistent usage at a high-level of performance? Rogers/the staff can't have expected his involvement to be so high especially compared to what he was used to. Is this something that happens with young players?
Anything that overstretches the muscles & tendons can cause it.
Overuse might come into play for a player like Rogers because he wasn't a regular before he came to Villa.
So the sudden sharp, powerful movements he would make in his position could be the cause.
But its impossible for any of us to tell...
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 01:23:52 PM
Now that's understood I was also wondering nickname wise Mimi, Kenny, Nile or Buck for Morgan ?
I know some adopted a nickname for Lansbury and got me thinking what are people choosing to nickname Rodgers as I have come up with those above options!
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2024, 01:25:22 PM
I rather we could all just focus on discussing all things Roger really and if people aren't inclined to be interested to discuss ideas and thoughts or debate a post then to not try and preclude posters or try and silence discussion for it's not fair. By all means disagree but there's a way to go to about things in a respectful manner.
Now that's understood I was also wondering nickname wise Mimi, Kenny, Nile or Buck for Morgan ?
I know some adopted a nickname for Lansbury and got me thinking what are people choosing to nickname Rodgers?
Rogers.
For. Fucks. Sakes. It's on every fucking post in this thread.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 07, 2024, 01:30:22 PM
I rather we could all just focus on discussing all things Roger really
Which one? Roger Federer, Roger Moore, Roger the cabin boy?
Post by: Smithy on May 07, 2024, 01:31:26 PM
Do hammys suffer from sudden consistent usage at a high-level of performance? Rogers/the staff can't have expected his involvement to be so high especially compared to what he was used to. Is this something that happens with young players?
Anything that overstretches the muscles & tendons can cause it.
Overuse might come into play for a player like Rogers because he wasn't a regular before he came to Villa.
So the sudden sharp, powerful movements he would make in his position could be the cause.
But its impossible for any of us to tell...
He was a regular a Middlesboro. He played something like 30 games for them before he signed for us, so I don't think it's an issue related to "suddenly" having to deal with lots of games. As we know, they come thick and fast in the Championship.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 07, 2024, 01:43:35 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 01:45:56 PM
Morgan Elliot Rogers.I rather we could all just focus on discussing all things Roger really and if people aren't inclined to be interested to discuss ideas and thoughts or debate a post then to not try and preclude posters or try and silence discussion for it's not fair. By all means disagree but there's a way to go to about things in a respectful manner.
Now that's understood I was also wondering nickname wise Mimi, Kenny, Nile or Buck for Morgan ?
I know some adopted a nickname for Lansbury and got me thinking what are people choosing to nickname Rodgers?
Rogers.
For. Fucks. Sakes. It's on every fucking post in this thread.
My mistake! There's no need to be used such abusive language though. It's easily done because footballers are often called Rodgers like Brendan than Rogers in fact I don't think in football I have ever heard the name Rogers or Roger as a first name or surname yet it was very prominent in Tennis and and James Bond
Mimi Rogers America ActressI rather we could all just focus on discussing all things Roger really
Which one? Roger Federer, Roger Moore, Roger the cabin boy?
Nile Rogers American musician, composer, guitarist, and record producer.
Buck Rogers is a science fiction adventure hero
But I think Ginger could be best suited:
Ginger Rogers was an American actress dancer and singer during the Golden Age of Hollywood.
Morgan has great feet like Ginger and is in a golden age of English Football and Aston Villa.
Post by: Dave on May 07, 2024, 01:46:11 PM
Quote
TBR Football understands that Aston Villa’s Morgan Rogers has moved into contention to be called up for England for this summer’s European Championship
Can't imagine that TBR Football, whoever they might be, really know anything. But hey, nice that he's being talked about.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 01:47:24 PM
Post by: Tuscans on May 07, 2024, 01:47:26 PM
@GraemeBailey
#avfc
Post by: Dogtanian on May 07, 2024, 01:48:51 PM
Roger Miller and Roger Hunt seems to be the most prominent footballers called Roger.
Roger Mellie.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 01:49:45 PM
Morgan Rogers has moved into contention to be called up to the England squad for this summer’s European Championship.Ginger !
@GraemeBailey
#avfc
I knew it!
Morgan has great feet like Ginger and is in a golden age of English Football and Aston Villa. Called up for the Euros I think seals this nickname unless there is a strong argument for thinking better if it's Mimi, Buck, Nile or Kenny which is a close second because of his quality.
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 01:50:13 PM
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 01:50:29 PM
Too foul-mouthed for Footy!Roger Miller and Roger Hunt seems to be the most prominent footballers called Roger.
Roger Mellie.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 01:53:28 PM
I always like Roger Wilco, the early 80s Ipswich winger.Speaking of Ipswich of the 80s they must have been very good back then so I imagine he was a very tricky and skilled winger. And I understand no inversion back then!
Right footed play on right and left on left.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 07, 2024, 01:54:13 PM
Too foul-mouthed for Footy!Roger Miller and Roger Hunt seems to be the most prominent footballers called Roger.
Roger Mellie.
...bollocks. :(
Post by: pablo_picasso on May 07, 2024, 01:59:31 PM
Do hammys suffer from sudden consistent usage at a high-level of performance? Rogers/the staff can't have expected his involvement to be so high especially compared to what he was used to. Is this something that happens with young players?
Anything that overstretches the muscles & tendons can cause it.
Overuse might come into play for a player like Rogers because he wasn't a regular before he came to Villa.
So the sudden sharp, powerful movements he would make in his position could be the cause.
But its impossible for any of us to tell...
He was a regular a Middlesboro. He played something like 30 games for them before he signed for us, so I don't think it's an issue related to "suddenly" having to deal with lots of games. As we know, they come thick and fast in the Championship.
He only played nine 90 minute games at Boro.
He had a good spell in mid season where he played about ten games where he only played between 1 minute & 29 minutes.
However, he did have a good five game spell near the end of his time at Boro where he played about five full games before he joined us.
So I take your point.
But like I say, its impossible for any of us to tell why its happened other than it just being a standard injury.
I certainly don't think its because the CIA shot Kennedy on the Moon while faking the landings, or anything else as outlandish as that...
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 01:59:42 PM
I don't follow but having looked up expected football player it seems to be a fictional character from an lewd and explicit magazine called Viz which would clearly be banned now in this and many other countries.Too foul-mouthed for Footy!Roger Miller and Roger Hunt seems to be the most prominent footballers called Roger.
Roger Mellie.
...bollocks. :(
Post by: Clampy on May 07, 2024, 02:03:35 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2024, 02:03:46 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 02:04:54 PM
Oh dear now checking references of Roger Cabin boy. Again rather distasteful.I rather we could all just focus on discussing all things Roger really
Which one? Roger Federer, Roger Moore, Roger the cabin boy?
What's far more useful and of interest is the surname of Morgan Rogers.
Rogers surname is found commonly in England, where it has been found as early as the 1200s, and is thought to have both Norman and Anglo-Saxon roots.
Firstly, the Rogers surname is believed to come from the early Saxon name 'Hrothgar', a character seen in the Saxon epic 'Beowulf'.
That's the sort of discussion on H and V that's far more interesting in my mind.
Post by: Clampy on May 07, 2024, 02:06:13 PM
'Dear Sirs,
My dick looks like Bobby Charlton'.
Post by: Smithy on May 07, 2024, 02:08:11 PM
Do hammys suffer from sudden consistent usage at a high-level of performance? Rogers/the staff can't have expected his involvement to be so high especially compared to what he was used to. Is this something that happens with young players?
Anything that overstretches the muscles & tendons can cause it.
Overuse might come into play for a player like Rogers because he wasn't a regular before he came to Villa.
So the sudden sharp, powerful movements he would make in his position could be the cause.
But its impossible for any of us to tell...
He was a regular a Middlesboro. He played something like 30 games for them before he signed for us, so I don't think it's an issue related to "suddenly" having to deal with lots of games. As we know, they come thick and fast in the Championship.
He only played nine 90 minute games at Boro.
He had a good spell in mid season where he played about ten games where he only played between 1 minute & 29 minutes.
However, he did have a good five game spell near the end of his time at Boro where he played about five full games before he joined us.
So I take your point.
But like I say, its impossible for any of us to tell why its happened other than it just being a standard injury.
I certainly don't think its because the CIA shot Kennedy on the Moon while faking the landings, or anything else as outlandish as that...
Oh, for the record, I think it's a "normal" injury. Nothing untoward. No conspiracy. Players get hamstring injuries, unfortunately. It happens. Sometimes they're quite big (Moreno last season and Louie Barry this season), and sometimes they're minor and only need a bit of rest. Hopefully Morgan's is the latter - he certainly didn't look to be in huge amounts of pain, so I doubt it's a significant injury.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 07, 2024, 02:09:38 PM
Wibble.
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2024, 02:10:18 PM
My favourite Viz letter in Letterbocks ( or whatever it was called) went something like this.
'Dear Sirs,
My dick looks like Bobby Charlton'.
I used to like it when someone would answer somebody else's letter on the same page.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 07, 2024, 02:11:44 PM
Oh dear now checking references of Roger Cabin boy. Again rather distasteful.I rather we could all just focus on discussing all things Roger really
Which one? Roger Federer, Roger Moore, Roger the cabin boy?
I know, fucking disgusting isn't it. Not as bad as Seaman Stains though.
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 02:12:15 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 07, 2024, 02:13:13 PM
Oh dear now checking references of Roger Cabin boy. Again rather distasteful.I rather we could all just focus on discussing all things Roger really
Which one? Roger Federer, Roger Moore, Roger the cabin boy?
I know, fucking disgusting isn't it. Not as bad as Seaman Stains though.
...such a persistent stain.
Post by: Dave on May 07, 2024, 02:13:17 PM
That's the sort of discussion on H and V that's far more interesting in my mind.
I bet that people going through their favourite bits of Viz would be more popular.
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2024, 02:13:26 PM
Why don't you like it any more?
It's not allowed since we've become Gilead, apparently.
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 02:13:31 PM
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 02:15:03 PM
I don't follow but having looked up expected football player it seems to be a fictional character from an lewd and explicit magazine called Viz which would clearly be banned now in this and many other countries.
It's still for sale. The profanisaurus is one of the greatest things in UK literature, eg "Half time team talk- in a spitroast grumble flick, the conversation between the two leading men as they switch ends."
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 02:15:45 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2024, 02:16:41 PM
Post by: Monty on May 07, 2024, 02:17:07 PM
Heavens sake some of this explicit content really should be on Late night with Joe Lycett that is filmed live weekly from Birmingham on channel 4.
It's innuendo and smut driven and seems to now makes sense with some people's behaviour it must be a Hall green or Solihull thing!
Now I like Lycett when he not being all explicit and support fully the LGBTQ+ movement but in my view that sort of humour isn't funny by him or by those who are doing it here!
FV - this forum has been smut-friendly since it was founded on day 2 of the internet, as far as I can tell. If you don't like it, my advice is just to ignore it.
Post by: The Edge on May 07, 2024, 02:17:52 PM
Heavens sake some of this explicit content really should be on Late night with Joe Lycett that is filmed live weekly from Birmingham on channel 4.How about Roger Macrackin?
It's innuendo and smut driven and seems to now makes sense with some people's behaviour it must be a Hall green or Solihull thing!
Now I like Lycett when he not being all explicit and support fully the LGBTQ+ movement but in my view that sort of humour isn't funny by him or by those who are doing it here!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 07, 2024, 02:18:02 PM
which would clearly be banned now in this and many other countries.Too foul-mouthed for Footy!Roger Miller and Roger Hunt seems to be the most prominent footballers called Roger.
Roger Mellie.
...bollocks. :(
Oh the irony! Maybe pipe down on who and what should clearly be banned.
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 02:18:55 PM
Afraid it’s not banned, here’s a link if you wish to subscribeI don't follow but having looked up expected football player it seems to be a fictional character from an lewd and explicit magazine called Viz which would clearly be banned now in this and many other countries.Too foul-mouthed for Footy!Roger Miller and Roger Hunt seems to be the most prominent footballers called Roger.
Roger Mellie.
...bollocks. :(
https://subscribe.viz.co.uk/subscriptions-offers/
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 07, 2024, 02:19:17 PM
Heavens sake some of this explicit content really should be on Late night with Joe Lycett that is filmed live weekly from Birmingham on channel 4.
It's innuendo and smut driven and seems to now makes sense with some people's behaviour it must be a Hall green or Solihull thing!
Now I like Lycett when he not being all explicit and support fully the LGBTQ+ movement but in my view that sort of humour isn't funny by him or by those who are doing it here!
I'll ask Joe to keep the smut down. ALRIGHT BABS.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 07, 2024, 02:20:07 PM
I don't follow but having looked up expected football player it seems to be a fictional character from an lewd and explicit magazine called Viz which would clearly be banned now in this and many other countries.
It's still for sale. The profanisaurus is one of the greatest things in UK literature, eg "Half time team talk- in a spitroast grumble flick, the conversation between the two leading men as they switch ends."
Indeed, in fact i bought it only last Saturday. To quote it's own joke it's 'not as funny as it used to be' although i did have a good laugh at Mrs Brady this month and even more-so at 'The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe full of porn'.
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 02:20:56 PM
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 02:21:14 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 02:21:44 PM
The first addition goes for around a grand on eBay as well.
Well that's a plus.
Post by: Dave on May 07, 2024, 02:22:21 PM
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 02:22:21 PM
Make your partner think they're on Question Time by holding a fishing rod over them as you talk to them while they are sitting on the sofa.
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Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 02:22:37 PM
MODERATORS: make your jobs easier by banning numpties from Internet message boards at the earliest opportunity. Not only will you have no posts to moderate, there won't be any posters to keep an eye on either.Almost a Viz like quote🤣
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 07, 2024, 02:22:55 PM
I was pleased to see all the Steve McQueen films shown on TV in honour of his sad passing. I can’t wait for Clint Eastwood to die, I love Clint Eastwood.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 07, 2024, 02:23:43 PM
Years ago, a mate of mine had a massive argument with his flatmate that ended up in the CD32 being thrown out the window and him trying to strangle Mark till he had an asthma attack.
After it all calmed down, another friend of his drew them a really good Fat Slags strip, where the girls came across the CD32 in the street.
It ended with Mark going round their place to retrieve it and getting pounced on by the Slags, uttering his immortal line from the argument - "go on, kill an asthmatic!".
Post by: VillaTim on May 07, 2024, 02:24:15 PM
MEN: When listening to your favourite CD, simply turn up the sound to the volume you desire - then turn it down three notches. This saves your wife having to do it.
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 02:27:05 PM
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 02:27:46 PM
What's a CD 32?A type of criminal offence?😜
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 02:30:56 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 07, 2024, 02:31:05 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32)
Post by: VillaTim on May 07, 2024, 02:34:31 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 02:35:11 PM
I don't follow but having looked up expected football player it seems to be a fictional character from an lewd and explicit magazine called Viz which would clearly be banned now in this and many other countries.
It's still for sale. The profanisaurus is one of the greatest things in UK literature, eg "Half time team talk- in a spitroast grumble flick, the conversation between the two leading men as they switch ends."
I will accept some have preference for smut but I wouldn't look at that magazine.
I accept too, though begrudgingly that it's consider humour but certainly not mine!
If can get back to matter in hand of the Rogers surname as it's believed to come from the early Saxon name 'Hrothgar', a character seen in the Saxon epic 'Beowulf'.
Well Beowulf is an Old English epic poem in the tradition of Germanic heroic legend consisting of 3,182 alliterative lines. It is one of the most important and most often translated works of Old English literature.
Maybe people should look to discuss that rather than this Viz literature!
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2024, 02:35:26 PM
Sandra and Tracey would have one of those consoles you can keep fried chicken in.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 07, 2024, 02:37:09 PM
Erm... it was an Amiga 1200, sans keyboard and mouse, and with a CD ROM built in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32)
I actually don't remember that at all. I had the A500 though, and have WINUAE on my PC, which i play from time to time. Great machine.
Post by: Monty on May 07, 2024, 02:37:18 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 02:37:29 PM
I leave you to your vices! As clearly not taken seriously!
Ginger is what I shall call him.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 02:38:49 PM
If, in a moment of vanity, young Morgan happened to check out the Villa forums to see how we feel he's doing...well, hi Morgan. And no, I don't know either.All I ever wanted was a consensus for nickname for Rogers!
Descended into filthy farce!
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 02:39:18 PM
Mellie!😁If, in a moment of vanity, young Morgan happened to check out the Villa forums to see how we feel he's doing...well, hi Morgan. And no, I don't know either.All I ever wanted was a consensus for nickname for Rogers!
Descended into filthy farce!
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2024, 02:41:40 PM
... any excuse to shoe horn this utter filth into Rogers
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 07, 2024, 02:44:35 PM
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 02:45:04 PM
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 02:45:22 PM
Roy.Nah, his image was too clean.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 07, 2024, 02:46:06 PM
Post by: Monty on May 07, 2024, 02:46:40 PM
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 02:46:59 PM
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 02:47:22 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 02:50:13 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 07, 2024, 02:50:19 PM
More 'Utter filth' !
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2024, 02:53:07 PM
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 02:54:54 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 02:57:00 PM
Careful, H & V’s answer to Mary Whitehouse will complain.
I always used to mix her up with Barbara Woodhouse.... 'walkies!'
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 03:01:39 PM
About the same age, one into dogs the other into interfering with people’s lives!Careful, H & V’s answer to Mary Whitehouse will complain.
I always used to mix her up with Barbara Woodhouse.... 'walkies!'
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 07, 2024, 03:01:41 PM
And well done to those people who have been setting traps like Dean Smith would when I asked about Roger and I've had the misfortune to look up these Roger Characters and it seems like any excuse to shoe horn this utter filth into Rogers thread!
I leave you to your vices! As clearly not taken seriously!
Ginger is what I shall call him.
The only thing I know about him is that he apparently lives at Rogerem Mansions.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 07, 2024, 03:04:51 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 03:07:15 PM
I think I prefer Morgan tbh.
Rogers. I like a surname for football, using first names is just a bit 'Sky/SoccerAM/Bantz/Lazy'.
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 03:07:37 PM
I think I prefer Morgan tbh.As in the Classic sports car.
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2024, 03:09:14 PM
I think I prefer Morgan tbh.As in the Classic sports car.
I love classic cars, that's why I had to buy all of those jazz mags for the articles about them.
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 03:12:56 PM
Nearly spewed my coffee at this one.!I think I prefer Morgan tbh.As in the Classic sports car.
I love classic cars, that's why I had to buy all of those jazz mags for the articles about them.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 07, 2024, 03:13:41 PM
Nearly spewed my coffee at this one.!I think I prefer Morgan tbh.As in the Classic sports car.
I love classic cars, that's why I had to buy all of those jazz mags for the articles about them.
Never heard it called coffee before! :o
Post by: Chap on May 07, 2024, 03:18:49 PM
x2🤣🤣Nearly spewed my coffee at this one.!I think I prefer Morgan tbh.As in the Classic sports car.
I love classic cars, that's why I had to buy all of those jazz mags for the articles about them.
Never heard it called coffee before! :o
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 03:19:55 PM
Nearly spewed my coffee at this one.!I think I prefer Morgan tbh.As in the Classic sports car.
I love classic cars, that's why I had to buy all of those jazz mags for the articles about them.
Never heard it called coffee before! :o
Spilled his beans.
Post by: pablo_picasso on May 07, 2024, 03:23:12 PM
Make your partner think they're on Question Time by holding a fishing rod over them as you talk to them while they are sitting on the sofa.
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😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Brilliant!
Post by: Dogtanian on May 07, 2024, 03:24:30 PM
Spilled his beans.
What do you know about the beeeans!?
Post by: pablo_picasso on May 07, 2024, 03:29:24 PM
I think I prefer Morgan tbh.
Rogers. I like a surname for football, using first names is just a bit 'Sky/SoccerAM/Bantz/Lazy'.
Same.
My Liverpool supporting mates keep insisting on calling Alexander-Arnold "Trent" whenever they mention him. As do everybody in the media. "Oh, I cant use his surname, its too long for me to be able to pronounce"... Fucking imbeciles.
So its just "Trent".
Like he is their best mate from down the pub.
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2024, 04:01:08 PM
I think I prefer Morgan tbh.
Rogers. I like a surname for football, using first names is just a bit 'Sky/SoccerAM/Bantz/Lazy'.
Same.
My Liverpool supporting mates keep insisting on calling Alexander-Arnold "Trent" whenever they mention him. As do everybody in the media. "Oh, I cant use his surname, its too long for me to be able to pronounce"... Fucking imbeciles.
So its just "Trent".
Like he is their best mate from down the pub.
Yep.Utter wankers.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 07, 2024, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2024, 04:17:44 PM
To be fair, I call Stoke-on-Trent "Stoke".That's very good! Very witty ! I mean I really prefer this humour!
But I will take a observational role til next Monday massive game now and hoping we can all just get along respectfully!
All the best to Ginger.
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2024, 04:18:52 PM
To be fair, I call Stoke-on-Trent "Stoke".
I used to all Dennis Wise '******'.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 07, 2024, 04:19:41 PM
To be fair, I call Stoke-on-Trent "Stoke".That's very good! Very witty ! I mean I really prefer this humour!
But I will take a observational role til next Monday massive game now and hoping we can all just get along respectfully!
All the best to Ginger.
Cheers, Footy! Just don't look up the rhyming slang. ;D
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 07, 2024, 04:20:38 PM
To be fair, I call Stoke-on-Trent "Stoke".That's very good! Very witty ! I mean I really prefer this humour!
But I will take a observational role til next Monday massive game now and hoping we can all just get along respectfully!
All the best to Ginger.
An observational role ay, ay, ay....
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 07, 2024, 05:06:07 PM
Post by: Bad English on May 07, 2024, 06:24:49 PM
Post by: lovejoy on May 07, 2024, 06:25:15 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2024, 06:58:39 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 07, 2024, 07:03:50 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2024, 07:06:31 PM
Pinball Dreams ?
I think so, it had a few tables. I'm trying to remember back to the games a mate had as he had the Amiga.
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 07:10:29 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 07, 2024, 07:12:09 PM
I think I prefer Morgan tbh.
Rogers. I like a surname for football, using first names is just a bit 'Sky/SoccerAM/Bantz/Lazy'.
Same.
My Liverpool supporting mates keep insisting on calling Alexander-Arnold "Trent" whenever they mention him. As do everybody in the media. "Oh, I cant use his surname, its too long for me to be able to pronounce"... Fucking imbeciles.
So its just "Trent".
Like he is their best mate from down the pub.
Peter Drury, as well as generally being the absolute worse commentator of all time, with his fucking obsession of hysterically winding up for every shot - just in case - is the worst at that.
He also refers to 'Miggy Almiron', like they're best mates.
I bet he was also in the 'Bobby' Firminho brigade, too.
Post by: VillaTim on May 07, 2024, 07:37:01 PM
"AND MO SALAH !!!!!!!"I think I prefer Morgan tbh.
Rogers. I like a surname for football, using first names is just a bit 'Sky/SoccerAM/Bantz/Lazy'.
Same.
My Liverpool supporting mates keep insisting on calling Alexander-Arnold "Trent" whenever they mention him. As do everybody in the media. "Oh, I cant use his surname, its too long for me to be able to pronounce"... Fucking imbeciles.
So its just "Trent".
Like he is their best mate from down the pub.
Peter Drury, as well as generally being the absolute worse commentator of all time, with his fucking obsession of hysterically winding up for every shot - just in case - is the worst at that.
He also refers to 'Miggy Almiron', like they're best mates.
I bet he was also in the 'Bobby' Firminho brigade, too.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 07, 2024, 07:40:55 PM
"AND MO SALAH !!!!!!!"I think I prefer Morgan tbh.
Rogers. I like a surname for football, using first names is just a bit 'Sky/SoccerAM/Bantz/Lazy'.
Same.
My Liverpool supporting mates keep insisting on calling Alexander-Arnold "Trent" whenever they mention him. As do everybody in the media. "Oh, I cant use his surname, its too long for me to be able to pronounce"... Fucking imbeciles.
So its just "Trent".
Like he is their best mate from down the pub.
Peter Drury, as well as generally being the absolute worse commentator of all time, with his fucking obsession of hysterically winding up for every shot - just in case - is the worst at that.
He also refers to 'Miggy Almiron', like they're best mates.
I bet he was also in the 'Bobby' Firminho brigade, too.
oooooh i am
triggered and we have a week to go😳😃
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 07, 2024, 07:45:56 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 07, 2024, 07:52:17 PM
Rogers’ actual nickname is Morgz.
He's dead to me.
Post by: pablo_picasso on May 07, 2024, 07:56:29 PM
Rogers’ actual nickname is Morgz.
He's dead to me.
😂
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 07, 2024, 08:15:54 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 07, 2024, 08:33:31 PM
Rogers’ actual nickname is Morgz.
He's dead to me.
😂
My kids thought he was a decent YouTuber.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 07, 2024, 08:34:30 PM
Peter Donald Drury was born on 24 September 1967 in Braintree, Essex, England. His father was a Church of England vicar based in Kent. The first club he supported as a four-year-old was West Ham United, but he has since gone on to support different clubs, most notably Watford as he now lives in Hertfordshire.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 07, 2024, 08:57:59 PM
Did Pinball Dreams have a sort of steam train/Western themed table?
Possibly, the second one was Pinball Fantasies, I recall something like that on one of them anyway. The WINUAE emulator for PC is good if you fancy some nostalgia.
It’s not as easy to set up as some but there’s plenty of info if you google it, the key thing is to get the correct Kickstart 1.3 Rom and to put it in the correct file location. Otherwise not too bad.
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 08:59:36 PM
Did Pinball Dreams have a sort of steam train/Western themed table?
Possibly, the second one was Pinball Fantasies, I recall something like that on one of them anyway. The WINUAE emulator for PC is good if you fancy some nostalgia.
It’s not as easy to set up as some but there’s plenty of info if you google it, the key thing is to get the correct Kickstart 1.3 Rom and to put it in the correct file location. Otherwise not too bad.
I would do, if it worked on Apple. I assume not?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 07, 2024, 09:01:25 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 07, 2024, 09:04:51 PM
Did Pinball Dreams have a sort of steam train/Western themed table?
Possibly, the second one was Pinball Fantasies, I recall something like that on one of them anyway. The WINUAE emulator for PC is good if you fancy some nostalgia.
It’s not as easy to set up as some but there’s plenty of info if you google it, the key thing is to get the correct Kickstart 1.3 Rom and to put it in the correct file location. Otherwise not too bad.
I would do, if it worked on Apple. I assume not?
Possibly although I’ve not tried. If not there might be similar but I don’t think Apple are quite as accommodating for such things?
Just had a look, sounds promising with ‘FS-UAE’ but never used myself.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 07, 2024, 09:21:07 PM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 07, 2024, 10:26:51 PM
well having seen lots of pages on this thread and getting worried, its nice to see Morgz isnt missing the whole of 2024.
Yet.
Post by: AV84 on May 16, 2024, 12:21:54 AM
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 16, 2024, 12:23:45 AM
What is he wearing?! (Also who is that on the right side of the picture?)
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It's Ramsey.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 16, 2024, 12:26:31 AM
What is he wearing?! (Also who is that on the right side of the picture?)
A double-breasted jacket (not a fan) and it also looks like he's gone sockless. :(
Looks like JJ on the right.
Post by: AV84 on May 16, 2024, 12:30:22 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 16, 2024, 12:32:35 AM
Mings in defence at the back thenWhat is he wearing?! (Also who is that on the right side of the picture?)
A double-breasted jacket (not a fan) and it also looks like he's gone sockless. :(
Looks like JJ on the right.
Midfield 3
Timmy Iroegbunam
Ginger minus Fred Astaire
And Whatever happened to Baby Jacob?
Post by: eamonn on May 16, 2024, 01:17:21 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on May 16, 2024, 04:30:17 AM
What is he wearing?! (Also who is that on the right side of the picture?)
A double-breasted jacket (not a fan) and it also looks like he's gone sockless. :(
Looks like JJ on the right.
Sockless is a big no no. (Massively popular over here)
Post by: Dogtanian on May 16, 2024, 07:42:10 AM
It’s terrible, the poverty in this country where a hard working footballer can’t even afford the basics.
I dread to think how long he’s had his pants on.
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2024, 09:48:12 AM
Post by: Bad English on May 16, 2024, 09:49:31 AM
Morgan looks very smart. I like his double breasted jacket, but not quite as keen on the choice of shirt with it. Visible socks look shit with loafers, so he's almost certainly just wearing a pair of no-show socks. Honestly BV, I expected better from you. :(Loafers look shit with or without socks and with anything, including feet. ;-)
Post by: Monty on May 16, 2024, 10:01:15 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on May 16, 2024, 10:05:05 AM
No socks is fine without a tie. Thems the rules.
The Japanese would both love and hate you, Monty!
Hooray for no socks, eternal condemnation for starting the 'Cool Biz' season (slightly) prematurely (if you did it today, of course...sorry I'm absolutely rambling)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Biz_campaign
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 16, 2024, 10:06:28 AM
There’s probably an Albion fan still walking round the streets in the Tachinni tracky top that was “taxed” from me in 1984.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 16, 2024, 10:14:15 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2024, 10:48:04 AM
Morgan looks very smart. I like his double breasted jacket, but not quite as keen on the choice of shirt with it. Visible socks look shit with loafers, so he's almost certainly just wearing a pair of no-show socks. Honestly BV, I expected better from you. :(Loafers look shit with or without socks and with anything, including feet. ;-)
Correct.
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2024, 10:50:42 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 16, 2024, 11:04:03 AM
No socks is fine without a tie. Thems the rules.
No ties is the rule for a function such as an end of season awards.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 16, 2024, 12:01:23 PM
Rogers has to be one of our best value signings of recent years, really looking forwards to seeing him progress next year. Him, a fit again Ramsey, a fit again Buendia, Bailey and Diaby is a very exciting set of attacking players.
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 16, 2024, 12:17:21 PM
I hate double breasted jackets, probably stems from when you had to wear one to get onto Millionaires when you were 16.
I think Birmingham club entry restrictions in the '80s put me off formal dress for life
Post by: usav on May 16, 2024, 12:55:02 PM
Agreed. Trousers and a collared shirt to get into the Dome? Piss off.I hate double breasted jackets, probably stems from when you had to wear one to get onto Millionaires when you were 16.
I think Birmingham club entry restrictions in the '80s put me off formal dress for life
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2024, 03:42:43 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2024, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2024, 04:15:32 PM
In the 90s when I was a lad any club with a dress code was great to know about so you knew to avoid them. The bouncers were always c*nts, and that was nothing once you'd seen the patrons. Air think with violence, shite music and Cool Water. Absolutely grim. But at least everyone was wearing shiny shoes.
The trouble was, there were only three clubs in Milton Keynes back then. Zazoo, The Point and Golden Flamingo, and they were all pretty much the same, ie collar and tie required at all times. It took until I went to Brum University and started going to the various student nights at places like The Dome and Bobby Browns to be allowed in anywhere in casual clothes.
Are actual night clubs still a thing, I don't know anyone who's been to one in years, including my eldest daughter and all her mates. They seem to prefer pubs and bars with late licenses these days.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 16, 2024, 04:41:45 PM
In the 90s when I was a lad any club with a dress code was great to know about so you knew to avoid them. The bouncers were always c*nts, and that was nothing once you'd seen the patrons. Air think with violence, shite music and Cool Water. Absolutely grim. But at least everyone was wearing shiny shoes.
The trouble was, there were only three clubs in Milton Keynes back then. Zazoo, The Point and Golden Flamingo, and they were all pretty much the same, ie collar and tie required at all times. It took until I went to Brum University and started going to the various student nights at places like The Dome and Bobby Browns to be allowed in anywhere in casual clothes.
Are actual night clubs still a thing, I don't know anyone who's been to one in years, including my eldest daughter and all her mates. They seem to prefer pubs and bars with late licenses these days.
I was lucky to be in Edinburgh, which had loads of options.
Clubs still exist in London (and probably other big cities), which is where I last went to one around four years ago, but they're dying out for a number of reasons.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2024, 04:59:34 PM
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Morgan Rogers has been voted Aston Villa's April Player of the Month by supporters.
The midfielder, 21, scooped over half of the votes from Villa fans in our official poll having found the net on three occasions - landing his maiden monthly award since joining the club in January.
Rogers started the month by completing 90 minutes in our defeat at Manchester City, before bagging his first goal in claret and blue in our 3-3 Premier League draw against Brentford at Villa Park.
Successive starts and impressive appearances followed in the wins over LOSC Lille and Arsenal, while the England Under-21 international stepped off the bench in the second leg of our memorable Europa Conference League quarter-final shoot-out triumph in northern France.
Rogers then rounded off the month in style as he found the net in successive matches - levelling against AFC Bournemouth on the stroke of half-time in a 3-1 victory before registering his third goal for the club in our 2-2 home draw against Chelsea.
The top three players in our poll were:
Morgan Rogers 56%
Emi Martínez 15%
Ollie Watkins 9%
Thank you to everyone who voted and congratulations, Morgan!
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Post by: Steve67 on May 16, 2024, 09:07:56 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 10, 2024, 09:11:04 AM
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/24375408.kieran-scott-revisits-morgan-rogers-middlesbrough-aston-villa-move/ (https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/24375408.kieran-scott-revisits-morgan-rogers-middlesbrough-aston-villa-move/)
"...the boy is an Aston Villa fan..."
I hadn't seen mention of that before, so it pleased me that we have been able to bring him home from the wastelands of West Brom, Tin-pot FC, and Teeside.
Post by: OCD on June 10, 2024, 11:29:29 AM
Also thought it was interesting that he started their first 5 games and then didn't play again until November. I had assumed he had been a regular for them.
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2024, 11:39:50 AM
Post by: LeeB on June 10, 2024, 11:49:34 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 10, 2024, 11:57:21 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 10, 2024, 12:00:46 PM
Morgan looks very smart. I like his double breasted jacket, but not quite as keen on the choice of shirt with it. Visible socks look shit with loafers, so he's almost certainly just wearing a pair of no-show socks. Honestly BV, I expected better from you. :(Loafers look shit with or without socks and with anything, including feet. ;-)
Fucking maniacs, the pair of you..
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 10, 2024, 12:02:49 PM
I hate double breasted jackets, probably stems from when you had to wear one to get onto Millionaires when you were 16.
Sense at last.
Post by: Bad English on June 10, 2024, 12:20:29 PM
I shouldn't really comment on matters like this. These days, whatever I wear, I tend to look like a sack of carrots with a couple of melons thrown in.Morgan looks very smart. I like his double breasted jacket, but not quite as keen on the choice of shirt with it. Visible socks look shit with loafers, so he's almost certainly just wearing a pair of no-show socks. Honestly BV, I expected better from you. :(Loafers look shit with or without socks and with anything, including feet. ;-)
Fucking maniacs, the pair of you..
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 10, 2024, 12:20:51 PM
I hate double breasted jackets, probably stems from when you had to wear one to get onto Millionaires when you were 16.
Sense at last.
Yep, wise words from PW there.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on June 10, 2024, 02:31:25 PM
sounds like a well informed trustworthy bloke
Post by: PeterWithe on June 10, 2024, 02:37:17 PM
As an aside, I think I still might have a bottle of 'Cool Water' in a cupboard somewhere, always quite liked that one.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 10, 2024, 02:45:35 PM
I recall reading that he was a Baggie when he was at school, it must be here on this thread somewhere.
That was my understanding too.
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 10, 2024, 05:13:06 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on June 10, 2024, 10:14:18 PM
Post by: Dave P on July 17, 2024, 09:37:25 PM
Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2024, 09:39:01 PM
This lad is going to play for England in the next 12 months. There, I’ve said it.
If he hadn't got injured I reckon he'd have been in the extended England squad before the Euros, at the very least.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2024, 09:52:23 PM
Post by: Richard on July 17, 2024, 09:56:06 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2024, 09:59:12 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 17, 2024, 10:19:50 PM
Where do we reckon he will end up playing most? Centre forward, left wing, number 10 behind a striker?
In our opponents' nightmares.
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2024, 11:00:21 PM
Post by: Risso on July 17, 2024, 11:08:13 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2024, 11:17:41 PM
Where do we reckon he will end up playing most? Centre forward, left wing, number 10 behind a striker?
Yes
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 17, 2024, 11:37:50 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on July 17, 2024, 11:51:00 PM
Still weird having a well run football team.
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2024, 11:57:40 PM
Although he was first linked with us as a swap option as part of the Grealish deal so he's been on the radar of the recruitment department for some time, probably going back to when he was a youth player at Albion.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2024, 11:59:04 PM
I’m fascinated who spotted him, who saw the potential, who is responsible. Unai will have tbose he trusts presumably, but I wonder how much arises from his own obsessive match watching, how much he relies on his Peter Taylors..,
Still weird having a well run football team.
Legend has it that he spotted him while doing his obsessive scouting of Boro in readiness for the cup game.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2024, 12:47:45 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 18, 2024, 02:31:29 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2024, 02:41:10 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 18, 2024, 07:16:08 AM
It will be on another level compared to previous years.
Post by: Rigadon on July 18, 2024, 07:56:32 AM
On an overall level, I'm really excited to see the power well have coming from the bench this season.
It will be on another level compared to previous years.
I think Rogers will be a starter in lots of games and a key player next season. Before he got injured he was maybe the first name on the team sheet after Emi and Watkins.
Post by: Somniloquism on July 18, 2024, 10:33:12 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 18, 2024, 10:35:15 AM
Especially during the golden era of Rudi Gestede, Simon Dawkins and Alex Tonev.
A golden shower.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2024, 01:17:29 PM
I still find it hilarious Mark Harrison is at Villa. And in such a critical role. He was one of my best mates at school. Such a die hard nose. The mere thought of any allegiance to Villa would have been disgusting to him. But here we are. Happy for him. And us.
The new academy coach, appointed this week, is also an arch nose isn’t he? Pretty sure it was reported when he had a few games in charge of WBA first team
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 18, 2024, 02:00:21 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2024, 04:57:13 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2024, 05:01:28 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 20, 2024, 05:08:36 PM
I still find it hilarious Mark Harrison is at Villa. And in such a critical role. He was one of my best mates at school. Such a die hard nose. The mere thought of any allegiance to Villa would have been disgusting to him. But here we are. Happy for him. And us.Hi Toronto, are you on about secondary school? As i went to primary school with Mark, he was the year above me, but for that period up until we were 11, he was one of best mates. We grew up a few doors from each other in Hockley. Your right about him being a nose, him and his old man Norman were massive Blues supporters.
Post by: darren woolley on July 20, 2024, 05:33:28 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2024, 11:27:51 PM
I still find it hilarious Mark Harrison is at Villa. And in such a critical role. He was one of my best mates at school. Such a die hard nose. The mere thought of any allegiance to Villa would have been disgusting to him. But here we are. Happy for him. And us.Hi Toronto, are you on about secondary school? As i went to primary school with Mark, he was the year above me, but for that period up until we were 11, he was one of best mates. We grew up a few doors from each other in Hockley. Your right about him being a nose, him and his old man Norman were massive Blues supporters.
Hi thanks. I replied to your message to me. Look forward to chatting.
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 20, 2024, 11:31:10 PM
I still find it hilarious Mark Harrison is at Villa. And in such a critical role. He was one of my best mates at school. Such a die hard nose. The mere thought of any allegiance to Villa would have been disgusting to him. But here we are. Happy for him. And us.Hi Toronto, are you on about secondary school? As i went to primary school with Mark, he was the year above me, but for that period up until we were 11, he was one of best mates. We grew up a few doors from each other in Hockley. Your right about him being a nose, him and his old man Norman were massive Blues supporters.
St Edmund’s. I was in the year above him. His sister Corrine was in my class, she was a Liverpool fan
I remember the mop of blonde hair on him.
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 21, 2024, 02:06:04 AM
On top of this, he knows where to go with the ball, always finding space and usually makes good passing decisions.
Oh, and he can score as well!
Not bad for £8-15m...
Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2024, 05:38:12 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2024, 06:54:34 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 21, 2024, 07:14:34 AM
I still find it hilarious Mark Harrison is at Villa. And in such a critical role. He was one of my best mates at school. Such a die hard nose. The mere thought of any allegiance to Villa would have been disgusting to him. But here we are. Happy for him. And us.Hi Toronto, are you on about secondary school? As i went to primary school with Mark, he was the year above me, but for that period up until we were 11, he was one of best mates. We grew up a few doors from each other in Hockley. Your right about him being a nose, him and his old man Norman were massive Blues supporters.
St Edmund’s. I was in the year above him. His sister Corrine was in my class, she was a Liverpool fan
I remember the mop of blonde hair on him.
St Edmunds thats right. I was the year below Mark, so two years below you by the sound of it. I’d forgotten about Corrine, but yes remember now. I left Eddies in 85 and went off to Cardinal Newman in Bearwood. We might know each other? Small world
Post by: Mister E on July 21, 2024, 08:47:03 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2024, 09:41:42 AM
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 21, 2024, 09:45:34 AM
Post by: Mister E on July 21, 2024, 10:03:01 AM
Wharton’s more deep lying midfield isn’t he?True but I was thinking more about his ability to pass the ball through the lines.
Post by: Rigadon on July 21, 2024, 11:03:57 AM
He's already well on the way to becoming my favourite player. Bags of talent and a great attitude. What a brilliant signing.
Same. He could be really great.
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 21, 2024, 05:03:36 PM
I still find it hilarious Mark Harrison is at Villa. And in such a critical role. He was one of my best mates at school. Such a die hard nose. The mere thought of any allegiance to Villa would have been disgusting to him. But here we are. Happy for him. And us.Hi Toronto, are you on about secondary school? As i went to primary school with Mark, he was the year above me, but for that period up until we were 11, he was one of best mates. We grew up a few doors from each other in Hockley. Your right about him being a nose, him and his old man Norman were massive Blues supporters.
St Edmund’s. I was in the year above him. His sister Corrine was in my class, she was a Liverpool fan
I remember the mop of blonde hair on him.
St Edmunds thats right. I was the year below Mark, so two years below you by the sound of it. I’d forgotten about Corrine, but yes remember now. I left Eddies in 85 and went off to Cardinal Newman in Bearwood. We might know each other? Small world
Yeah Cardinal Newman as well. I left CN in ‘86 though.
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 21, 2024, 08:00:34 PM
You’ve Dm’d me Paul and Ive messaged back, its AndyO 😂 lets nor bore anyone else with this 😊I still find it hilarious Mark Harrison is at Villa. And in such a critical role. He was one of my best mates at school. Such a die hard nose. The mere thought of any allegiance to Villa would have been disgusting to him. But here we are. Happy for him. And us.Hi Toronto, are you on about secondary school? As i went to primary school with Mark, he was the year above me, but for that period up until we were 11, he was one of best mates. We grew up a few doors from each other in Hockley. Your right about him being a nose, him and his old man Norman were massive Blues supporters.
St Edmund’s. I was in the year above him. His sister Corrine was in my class, she was a Liverpool fan
I remember the mop of blonde hair on him.
St Edmunds thats right. I was the year below Mark, so two years below you by the sound of it. I’d forgotten about Corrine, but yes remember now. I left Eddies in 85 and went off to Cardinal Newman in Bearwood. We might know each other? Small world
Yeah Cardinal Newman as well. I left CN in ‘86 though.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 21, 2024, 08:40:14 PM
Rogers, Palmer, Wharton, I-J ... England have some great future talent across the frontline.
And hopefully with a coach that has some flair they should shine.
I think he is a tremendous talent and JJ will struggle to shift him atm
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2024, 09:20:36 PM
Rogers, Palmer, Wharton, I-J ... England have some great future talent across the frontline.
And hopefully with a coach that has some flair they should shine.
I think he is a tremendous talent and JJ will struggle to shift him atm
I can see Rogers playing more centrally in the Diaby role. With Ramsey, Onana, Barkley we will have some big units in midfield.
Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2024, 09:22:23 PM
I think he might become a centre forward.
Didn't he start out as one?
Post by: VillaTim on July 26, 2024, 05:40:06 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2024, 06:16:29 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on July 26, 2024, 10:12:29 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on July 26, 2024, 10:51:54 PM
I thought if nothing else that guy has the right attitude.
I think he will be a star under Emery.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2024, 11:58:24 PM
Delightful
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2024, 10:23:08 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/GWf3V6w/Rogerrs.png) (https://ibb.co/GWf3V6w)
Rogers and Ramsey two absolute stars!
Hope we see them on the pitch together feel they would link up brilliantly!
That's an inspiring Tattoo art Rogers has sums up his attitude:
'Let your faith be bigger than your fear'
Love it !
Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2024, 10:26:33 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 31, 2024, 01:06:01 PM
Isn't that a Coldplay song
If it is sell him
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 31, 2024, 01:07:23 PM
Gotta be at least 6'0"/6'1" when comparing him to Rogers...
Post by: AV84 on July 31, 2024, 01:41:08 PM
Post by: Nelly on July 31, 2024, 01:51:54 PM
Rogers is ace. My attempt to stay on topic.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2024, 02:14:48 PM
It blows my mind that some of you chaps went to Cardies too?! You may know my brother who was there in the early 90s. I started there in 96. I feel like we need a secret handshake lolI understand things can veer off topic. I hope this school link connection brings some fond memories for those concerned. It can be a real struggle for me on the forum but please if you go off topic you go off topic no gripes by me . It is what it is! Such is life.
Rogers is ace. My attempt to stay on topic.
I want to be accepting of all posting styles it's only fair when I want people to accept me
But appreciate and agree Rogers is ace!
Post by: Nelly on July 31, 2024, 02:27:06 PM
Anyway, Rogers. He's gonna be ace for us this season and he, along with Buendia coming back are two of the things I'm looking forward to most. Villa are shaping up so nicely.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2024, 02:37:51 PM
I appreciate it Footy, thank you. My school was tiny so to read posters on here talking about it is pretty joyous! Apologies for going off.
Anyway, Rogers. He's gonna be ace for us this season and he, along with Buendia coming back are two of the things I'm looking forward to most. Villa are shaping up so nicely.
No apologies! We'll all on the same team!
I'm in vacation mode! Enjoy the rest of the summer!
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2024, 02:39:20 PM
.Add Ramsey to Rogers and Buendia as players who will make a significant contribution next season ...
Anyway, Rogers. He's gonna be ace for us this season and he, along with Buendia coming back are two of the things I'm looking forward to most. Villa are shaping up so nicely.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 31, 2024, 02:48:24 PM
.Add Ramsey to Rogers and Buendia as players who will make a significant contribution next season ...
Anyway, Rogers. He's gonna be ace for us this season and he, along with Buendia coming back are two of the things I'm looking forward to most. Villa are shaping up so nicely.
Right now, I’d settle for them being above average but remaining fit for the entire season.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2024, 03:14:53 PM
If Rogers is 6'4", then it looks like Ramsey has had a growth spurt.
Gotta be at least 6'0"/6'1" when comparing him to Rogers...
Rogers is actually standing far away in that pic.
Rogers standing near or not so near the White house.
(https://i.ibb.co/Fms9nV1/Roger-usa.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fms9nV1)
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2024, 04:01:51 PM
Post by: VillaTim on July 31, 2024, 04:20:03 PM
Post by: Dr Butler on July 31, 2024, 04:29:30 PM
Why is he flicking the V's
Trump was walking by...
UTV
The Doc
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 31, 2024, 04:59:06 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 02, 2024, 10:52:34 AM
Post by: OCD on August 02, 2024, 11:07:17 AM
Post by: KNVillan on August 02, 2024, 11:10:54 AM
Decent article on Morgzzzz in the Athletic today
This one?
https://archive.ph/UYSsp
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2024, 11:21:54 AM
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Villa players knew of Emery’s fondness for the England Under-21 international before January’s FA Cup trip to Middlesbrough. Emery re-affirmed Rogers’ threat in analysis sessions. A lot of the preparation, from a defensive standpoint, centred on him. Immediately after the game, future team-mates told Rogers of Emery’s admiration.
Post by: jwarry on August 02, 2024, 11:22:18 AM
Decent article on Morgzzzz in the Athletic today
This one?
https://archive.ph/UYSsp
Thanks for that, a good read. I had no idea he is left footed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2024, 11:28:40 AM
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The role of an Emery No 10 is regarded as among the most nuanced and physically taxing positions. It necessitates intelligence in the timings of movements and recognising when to counter-press and when to sit in a compact shape. Upon turnovers, players must be in positions to break on transition, carrying the ball forward from deep areas.
“In his first game, at Sheffield United, he had a chance that went over the crossbar,” says Belgrave. “If it came towards the end of the season, he scores. Morgan’s willingness and footballing brain allowed him to adjust out of possession — I remember he conceded a few fouls away to Luton — but he learned quickly.”
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Post by: chrisw1 on August 02, 2024, 12:08:00 PM
This is absolutely fantastic. I was really quite underwhelmed by this signing but he has become an incredible prospect. I love the attitude he is showing and he seems to have a fantastic support network with his two brothers.Decent article on Morgzzzz in the Athletic today
This one?
https://archive.ph/UYSsp
I'm really hopeful for him for this season and tbh he hasn't left my draft fantasy team at all yet - and yes (sadly) I take that shite far too seriously. Also got Leon and Ollie at the moment which is a bit Villa heavy tbh, but they're all such good value.
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Post by: Garyth on August 02, 2024, 01:01:20 PM
Decent article on Morgzzzz in the Athletic today
This one?
https://archive.ph/UYSsp
Since Jacob Tanswell has moved to covering Villa (used to be Southhampton, I believe), the quality from The Athletic has been really good.
Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2024, 01:10:43 PM
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Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2024, 01:28:03 PM
Ramsey has had a very difficult 12 months with injury. In the run-up to the U21 Euros last summer, he was being talked about as the next player to step up to the full squad. If he comes back properly fit, and can find his form again, then he and Rogers will absolutely terrorise defences with their progressive and direct running. We're very lucky to have them both.
Add Philogene as well and we have 3 young English players who have the quality to become massive players for us, then Iling-Junior is coming through behind as well.
Post by: OCD on August 02, 2024, 02:03:34 PM
Rogers probably moving to a 10 position this season and Philogene as an alternative to Ramsey so we can rest and rotate. Those are good developments for our squad.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2024, 02:22:11 PM
Post by: brontebilly on August 02, 2024, 04:12:37 PM
Even last year, in an injured ravaged season, in the game vs Brighton when we battered them, that goal he scored late on was just sublime. Exactly the player he threatened to become. Exciting runs from deep and able to score with either foot. Such an exciting talent when fit.
Ramsey made some difference that day when he came on. Seems to be as the kind of player who needs a good run of games to hit top gear, he just couldn't get any momentum last season.
I prefer Rogers more in that kind of 10 role near Watkins rather than Ramsey's spot. He played there at Arsenal and even in first half when we were getting battered he was excellent. Big physical presence and when he gets turned on the ball he isn't losing it. Very good finisher. Definitely needed to work on his diet and conditioning over the summer so fair play to him for addressing it. An unbelievable transfer from Emery really, first few games you were wondering what did Emery see in this kid but he made a big impact for us.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 02, 2024, 07:04:55 PM
Though, even in a great season, there were times when Watkins struggled against a very physical CB that effectively dominated him - especially as some referees took a very tolerate view of defenders that bumped and held strikers as the ball came into them.
Actually reversing roles and having Morgan go up against an aggressive CB, with Watkins just off him, is a really good option to have - not least because Rogers appears to have the strength to hold off opponents and the technique to control the ball and play others in. UTV.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2024, 07:07:21 PM
Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2024, 09:04:30 PM
That video with his mom and his brother in NYC is so wholesome. Sorry I can’t do insta links.
He looks absolutely huge standing next to JJ doesn't he? Morgan, that is, not the brother.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2024, 12:03:06 AM
Jacob Tanswell - The Athletic
“I’m not saying he was never hungry, but he’s more now,” says Ash Belgrave, Morgan Rogers’ brother.
Belgrave is a full-time football coach, specialising in working with players individually. “Morgan had a few weeks off at the end of last season. We went to Miami and Vegas. He enjoyed himself but was up at 9am to train at 10am in 40-degree heat.”
Rogers, joined by a handful of friends and his brother, hired pitches in the States. The 22-year-old was still in a rehabilitation phase after suffering a hamstring injury in May, bringing an end to his first six months at Aston Villa.
This meant work had to be shaped around a gradual rebuilding of Rogers’ physical condition, strictly following Villa’s training programme.
He spent four days in Miami before heading to Vegas, viewed as a holiday and pre-conditioning camp before a training block in Portugal. Back home, Rogers has hired a personal chef during the week to help with his diet and nutritional intake.
Rogers has made concerted efforts to vindicate Unai Emery’s desire to sign him in January. The move was initially seen as unanticipated and overpriced given he had only joined Middlesbrough six months earlier and, despite a bank of experience in the Football League, pulled up few trees.
“I wanted him to stay at Middlesbrough and go at the end of the season, but you cannot say no to Villa,” says Belgrave.
Emery spotted a player who could be refined. Villa academy manager Mark Harrison and head of talent identification Steve Hopcroft, who first identified Rogers and coached him at West Brom, had helped Emery build extensive background knowledge.
Harrison and Hopcroft regarded Rogers as the most talented academy player they had worked with, capable of playing in any of the front six positions and eventually being sold for a club-record figure to Manchester City in 2019.
“He had a very good left foot,” says Bob Hickman, a coach at Rogers’ first junior team, Halas Hawks. “He was five and could hit the ball over a full-sized crossbar. It was incredible how he kicked the ball. I knew an Aston Villa scout and I phoned him up to say, ‘Come down and see this lad’ and introduced him to his mum. But he was training with Albion and happy there.
“Even though he was so young when he was with us, Morgan sent a video for our presentation evening at the end of last season. It was great of him to do that.”
Villa players knew of Emery’s fondness for the England Under-21 international before January’s FA Cup trip to Middlesbrough. Emery re-affirmed Rogers’ threat in analysis sessions. A lot of the preparation, from a defensive standpoint, centred on him. Immediately after the game, future team-mates told Rogers of Emery’s admiration.
Villa quickly informed Rogers’ camp and Middlesbrough of their interest. Negotiations proved protracted, as Middlesbrough would not deviate from their £15m asking price.
Middlesbrough manager, Michael Carrick, sympathised with Rogers’ desire to play in the Premier League and return to the Midlands, having grown up in Halesowen, Birmingham.
Villa’s senior figures involved were president of football operations Monchi and Damian Vidagany, director of football. They were transparent and clear in their communication throughout the process and were ultimately prepared to pay the asking price, knowing it would be better for Rogers to have six months to attune himself before heading into pre-season. On deadline day, Rogers signed a four-and-a-half-year contract.
After time in the States, Rogers travelled to Portugal for a mini pre-pre-season camp with Belgrave and other players. He was joined by Chris Mepham, who he became friends with during his loan at Bournemouth, as well as a Nottingham Forest contingent of Neco Williams, Joe Worrall and Ryan Yates.
“A few of the lads didn’t know Morgan that well, so he wanted to show them what he was capable of,” says Belgrave. “We were doing sessions and when you’ve got Harry Maguire over on one pitch, Morgan Gibbs-White, Anthony Elanga, James Maddison and Ruben Loftus-Cheek on others, he knew people were watching him. The gyms are outside and people were at the top watching, so it provided added pressure. Morgan took sessions very seriously.”
Sessions lasted 90 minutes before Rogers would do another hour in the gym.
“We had Villa’s head physio come over because Morgan was still on a rehabilitation programme, so he would do the gym work with him and I did the ball work,” Belgrave says. “Morgan was slightly ahead of the other guys because that was their first stage before pre-season, whereas we had done work in Miami and England. Morgan would call me up and say, ‘Are you free today? I want to work on X, Y and Z’.
“It wasn’t overly technical in Miami but was just getting him used to the ball, shooting and working on his first touch. Portugal was more of a step up. I had Mepham to put pressure on Morgan and if we are doing crossing and finishing, I had Worrall as a centre half, making it realistic.”
The role of an Emery No 10 is regarded as among the most nuanced and physically taxing positions. It necessitates intelligence in the timings of movements and recognising when to counter-press and when to sit in a compact shape. Upon turnovers, players must be in positions to break on transition, carrying the ball forward from deep areas.
“In his first game, at Sheffield United, he had a chance that went over the crossbar,” says Belgrave. “If it came towards the end of the season, he scores. Morgan’s willingness and footballing brain allowed him to adjust out of possession — I remember he conceded a few fouls away to Luton — but he learned quickly.”
Rogers’ ability to absorb instructions has underpinned his Villa start. Early teething issues gave way to becoming a key cog in a team that was, at times, flagging during an intense period.
It came as a surprise to those who had worked with Rogers previously, not because of their doubt in his talent, but his toils on loan at Bournemouth and Blackpool.
Rogers was sent back to City early, with Bournemouth manager Scott Parker starting him just once in the Championship. At Blackpool, Michael Appleton was sacked after a handful of games and his replacement, Mick McCarthy, used Rogers as an out-an-out centre forward and held reservations over his work rate out of possession.
“He went down to League One and had a successful stint with Lincoln City, getting used to playing two games a week,” says Belgrave. “Bournemouth and Blackpool have built a resilience. I wouldn’t say I’ve seen a shift in him, but I’ve seen an extra 10 per cent in his attitude and his football. Moving away to all these places — Manchester, Blackpool, Bournemouth and Middlesbrough — helped him grow up.”
Rogers has a support network with his best interests at heart while offering a certain expertise. Belgrave took his younger brother to his football games and has been on hand to offer advice and coaching.
“I think if he didn’t have older siblings or parents close by, you wouldn’t have people saying no,” Belgrave says. “We always say: spend moderately. So spend your money, enjoy yourself, enjoy your life, you never know how long it can last, but rein it in.
“Morgan speaks to our mum every day and sees her once or twice a week. He goes to Nan’s every Sunday, with our aunties and cousins there. He’s very family-orientated. If he’s got a home game that day, he will come straight after.”
Rogers’ other brother, Daniel, is a qualified therapist, holding a Master’s degree in counselling and psychotherapy. Having founded ‘Belgrave Mind’, Daniel now works across several football clubs, offering mental health advice and incorporating cognitive behavioural techniques.
“Being around my brother has been good for Morgs,” says Belgrave. “Daniel has worked in football, so he can see different personalities and little things like when you get subbed off — don’t look angry, take your shirt off and throw it. If you’re upset, jog off, keep the frustrations and vent them in another way.”
Where they lived in Halesowen, Rogers and Belgrave would play football in the cages. It had basketball nets and two small-sized goals. They would practise striking the ball repeatedly, putting in conditions such as shooting before the halfway line or with their weaker foot.
“My stepdad, Morgan’s dad, has always advocated using both feet,” Belgrave says. “When you watch him now, he is quite deceiving. In the past, managers have said he doesn’t run quickly but because his frame is so big, he’s got big strides. His best attribute is when he’s got the ball in the No 10 position and he’s driving. He’s closer to the goal, he’s not wide, not isolated and he’s inside the pitch. He can play passes to the left-back outside of him, the striker, or drift centrally and switch to (Leon) Bailey on the opposite side.”
In his formative years, Rogers was an all-rounder for Warwickshire County Cricket Club; speak to friends and family and they say he is a natural sportsman. He plays several racquet sports, including padel, tennis and squash and watches basketball.
“Football has always been first choice,” says Belgrave. “He watches a lot of German and Spanish football. He would always go on about Jadon Sancho when he was at (Borussia) Dortmund and he loves players like Julian Brandt, Florian Wirtz and Jamal Musiala, who he has played with at England youth level.”
Emery views Rogers as a precocious talent who can flourish in multiple positions. This show of faith has deepened over pre-season, with Rogers operating in higher areas and scoring twice in his first three games.
Rogers’ preparation is paying off.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2024, 12:03:47 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2024, 12:18:54 AM
He’s going to be one hell of a player
Let's hope so. I didn't think he would feature much lady season after we signed him, but he was a revelation. Thought he needed to just get that extra bit of sharpness and strength to be able to really get away from players, but I'm sure he'll have been working on that this summer.
Post by: OCD on August 03, 2024, 11:18:55 AM
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Post by: nigel on August 03, 2024, 12:35:19 PM
Anyone quoting that article in full is likely to get tarred and feathered by BE.
Tempting as is seems tar and feathers are a nightmare to get off… so I’m told
Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2024, 01:02:30 PM
He’s going to be one hell of a player
And it's gonna be one hell of a show.
Post by: Bad English on August 03, 2024, 03:49:15 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 03, 2024, 04:05:01 PM
He’s going to be one hell of a player
And it's gonna be one hell of a show.
But what do you do for an encore?
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2024, 08:38:12 AM
How Morgan Rogers is preparing for his first full season at Aston VillaNice *
Jacob Tanswell - The Athletic
“I’m not saying he was never hungry, but he’s more now,” says Ash Belgrave, Morgan Rogers’ brother.
Belgrave is a full-time football coach, specialising in working with players individually. “Morgan had a few weeks off at the end of last season. We went to Miami and Vegas. He enjoyed himself but was up at 9am to train at 10am in 40-degree heat.”
Rogers, joined by a handful of friends and his brother, hired pitches in the States. The 22-year-old was still in a rehabilitation phase after suffering a hamstring injury in May, bringing an end to his first six months at Aston Villa.
This meant work had to be shaped around a gradual rebuilding of Rogers’ physical condition, strictly following Villa’s training programme.
He spent four days in Miami before heading to Vegas, viewed as a holiday and pre-conditioning camp before a training block in Portugal. Back home, Rogers has hired a personal chef during the week to help with his diet and nutritional intake.
Rogers has made concerted efforts to vindicate Unai Emery’s desire to sign him in January. The move was initially seen as unanticipated and overpriced given he had only joined Middlesbrough six months earlier and, despite a bank of experience in the Football League, pulled up few trees.
“I wanted him to stay at Middlesbrough and go at the end of the season, but you cannot say no to Villa,” says Belgrave.
Emery spotted a player who could be refined. Villa academy manager Mark Harrison and head of talent identification Steve Hopcroft, who first identified Rogers and coached him at West Brom, had helped Emery build extensive background knowledge.
Harrison and Hopcroft regarded Rogers as the most talented academy player they had worked with, capable of playing in any of the front six positions and eventually being sold for a club-record figure to Manchester City in 2019.
“He had a very good left foot,” says Bob Hickman, a coach at Rogers’ first junior team, Halas Hawks. “He was five and could hit the ball over a full-sized crossbar. It was incredible how he kicked the ball. I knew an Aston Villa scout and I phoned him up to say, ‘Come down and see this lad’ and introduced him to his mum. But he was training with Albion and happy there.
“Even though he was so young when he was with us, Morgan sent a video for our presentation evening at the end of last season. It was great of him to do that.”
Villa players knew of Emery’s fondness for the England Under-21 international before January’s FA Cup trip to Middlesbrough. Emery re-affirmed Rogers’ threat in analysis sessions. A lot of the preparation, from a defensive standpoint, centred on him. Immediately after the game, future team-mates told Rogers of Emery’s admiration.
Villa quickly informed Rogers’ camp and Middlesbrough of their interest. Negotiations proved protracted, as Middlesbrough would not deviate from their £15m asking price.
Middlesbrough manager, Michael Carrick, sympathised with Rogers’ desire to play in the Premier League and return to the Midlands, having grown up in Halesowen, Birmingham.
Villa’s senior figures involved were president of football operations Monchi and Damian Vidagany, director of football. They were transparent and clear in their communication throughout the process and were ultimately prepared to pay the asking price, knowing it would be better for Rogers to have six months to attune himself before heading into pre-season. On deadline day, Rogers signed a four-and-a-half-year contract.
After time in the States, Rogers travelled to Portugal for a mini pre-pre-season camp with Belgrave and other players. He was joined by Chris Mepham, who he became friends with during his loan at Bournemouth, as well as a Nottingham Forest contingent of Neco Williams, Joe Worrall and Ryan Yates.
“A few of the lads didn’t know Morgan that well, so he wanted to show them what he was capable of,” says Belgrave. “We were doing sessions and when you’ve got Harry Maguire over on one pitch, Morgan Gibbs-White, Anthony Elanga, James Maddison and Ruben Loftus-Cheek on others, he knew people were watching him. The gyms are outside and people were at the top watching, so it provided added pressure. Morgan took sessions very seriously.”
Sessions lasted 90 minutes before Rogers would do another hour in the gym.
“We had Villa’s head physio come over because Morgan was still on a rehabilitation programme, so he would do the gym work with him and I did the ball work,” Belgrave says. “Morgan was slightly ahead of the other guys because that was their first stage before pre-season, whereas we had done work in Miami and England. Morgan would call me up and say, ‘Are you free today? I want to work on X, Y and Z’.
“It wasn’t overly technical in Miami but was just getting him used to the ball, shooting and working on his first touch. Portugal was more of a step up. I had Mepham to put pressure on Morgan and if we are doing crossing and finishing, I had Worrall as a centre half, making it realistic.”
The role of an Emery No 10 is regarded as among the most nuanced and physically taxing positions. It necessitates intelligence in the timings of movements and recognising when to counter-press and when to sit in a compact shape. Upon turnovers, players must be in positions to break on transition, carrying the ball forward from deep areas.
“In his first game, at Sheffield United, he had a chance that went over the crossbar,” says Belgrave. “If it came towards the end of the season, he scores. Morgan’s willingness and footballing brain allowed him to adjust out of possession — I remember he conceded a few fouls away to Luton — but he learned quickly.”
Rogers’ ability to absorb instructions has underpinned his Villa start. Early teething issues gave way to becoming a key cog in a team that was, at times, flagging during an intense period.
It came as a surprise to those who had worked with Rogers previously, not because of their doubt in his talent, but his toils on loan at Bournemouth and Blackpool.
Rogers was sent back to City early, with Bournemouth manager Scott Parker starting him just once in the Championship. At Blackpool, Michael Appleton was sacked after a handful of games and his replacement, Mick McCarthy, used Rogers as an out-an-out centre forward and held reservations over his work rate out of possession.
“He went down to League One and had a successful stint with Lincoln City, getting used to playing two games a week,” says Belgrave. “Bournemouth and Blackpool have built a resilience. I wouldn’t say I’ve seen a shift in him, but I’ve seen an extra 10 per cent in his attitude and his football. Moving away to all these places — Manchester, Blackpool, Bournemouth and Middlesbrough — helped him grow up.”
Rogers has a support network with his best interests at heart while offering a certain expertise. Belgrave took his younger brother to his football games and has been on hand to offer advice and coaching.
“I think if he didn’t have older siblings or parents close by, you wouldn’t have people saying no,” Belgrave says. “We always say: spend moderately. So spend your money, enjoy yourself, enjoy your life, you never know how long it can last, but rein it in.
“Morgan speaks to our mum every day and sees her once or twice a week. He goes to Nan’s every Sunday, with our aunties and cousins there. He’s very family-orientated. If he’s got a home game that day, he will come straight after.”
Rogers’ other brother, Daniel, is a qualified therapist, holding a Master’s degree in counselling and psychotherapy. Having founded ‘Belgrave Mind’, Daniel now works across several football clubs, offering mental health advice and incorporating cognitive behavioural techniques.
“Being around my brother has been good for Morgs,” says Belgrave. “Daniel has worked in football, so he can see different personalities and little things like when you get subbed off — don’t look angry, take your shirt off and throw it. If you’re upset, jog off, keep the frustrations and vent them in another way.”
Where they lived in Halesowen, Rogers and Belgrave would play football in the cages. It had basketball nets and two small-sized goals. They would practise striking the ball repeatedly, putting in conditions such as shooting before the halfway line or with their weaker foot.
“My stepdad, Morgan’s dad, has always advocated using both feet,” Belgrave says. “When you watch him now, he is quite deceiving. In the past, managers have said he doesn’t run quickly but because his frame is so big, he’s got big strides. His best attribute is when he’s got the ball in the No 10 position and he’s driving. He’s closer to the goal, he’s not wide, not isolated and he’s inside the pitch. He can play passes to the left-back outside of him, the striker, or drift centrally and switch to (Leon) Bailey on the opposite side.”
In his formative years, Rogers was an all-rounder for Warwickshire County Cricket Club; speak to friends and family and they say he is a natural sportsman. He plays several racquet sports, including padel, tennis and squash and watches basketball.
“Football has always been first choice,” says Belgrave. “He watches a lot of German and Spanish football. He would always go on about Jadon Sancho when he was at (Borussia) Dortmund and he loves players like Julian Brandt, Florian Wirtz and Jamal Musiala, who he has played with at England youth level.”
Emery views Rogers as a precocious talent who can flourish in multiple positions. This show of faith has deepened over pre-season, with Rogers operating in higher areas and scoring twice in his first three games.
Rogers’ preparation is paying off.
* had to do it - just for Daz
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“He had a very good left foot,” says Bob Hickman, a coach at Rogers’ first junior team, Halas Hawks. “He was five and could hit the ball over a full-sized crossbar. It was incredible how he kicked the ball. I knew an Aston Villa scout and I phoned him up to say, ‘Come down and see this lad’ and introduced him to his mum. But he was training with Albion and happy there.Used to hate it when Halas Hawks rocked up to play. They were all 6-foot 11-year olds, and took vicious pleasure in letting you know how small you were.
Bet Morgan fitted right in - the 10-year old who could stick one in the top bin from a goal kick.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 05, 2024, 09:48:07 PM
“He had a very good left foot,” says Bob Hickman, a coach at Rogers’ first junior team, Halas Hawks. “He was five and could hit the ball over a full-sized crossbar. It was incredible how he kicked the ball. I knew an Aston Villa scout and I phoned him up to say, ‘Come down and see this lad’ and introduced him to his mum. But he was training with Albion and happy there.Used to hate it when Halas Hawks rocked up to play. They were all 6-foot 11-year olds, and took vicious pleasure in letting you know how small you were.
Bet Morgan fitted right in - the 10-year old who could stick one in the top bin from a goal kick.
I think it’s a bit sad that a 5 year old is getting picked up by scouts and is ‘training’ with a professional club.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 17, 2024, 07:48:06 AM
3 goals in 11.
I expecting 10+goals from him this season in all comps but having yet to score away from home here’s hoping he does tonight as could be up front for part of the match.
I think Rogers is better playing as a 10 and more central than he is out wide or up front. I also encouraged by Emery words on him
‘He was performing very well last year. His adaptation was fantastic and he helped us a lot to be in the Champions League this year. The level he achieved last year with us, now the challenge is to keep it.
He’s a very, very good example for his team-mates, for the spirit we want. The young players like him need to be passionate but very demanding. Their mentality is very important and he has a very great mentality."
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Post by: Dogtanian on August 18, 2024, 10:02:16 AM
Too often last season teams knew the ball was going out wide, with him driving they literally don’t know what to cover.
Post by: Smithy on August 18, 2024, 11:41:40 AM
I loved seeing him drive forward with the ball, similar to how Ramsey likes to.
Too often last season teams knew the ball was going out wide, with him driving they literally don’t know what to cover.
His driving forward with the ball after getting it on the turn is really exceptional (JJ is good at that too, which is great for us when playing against a team trying to press hard)
It’s not going to be long before we see players getting regularly booked for taking him out. It’s become increasingly obvious that if players let him turn and run, he’s going to travel a long way and potentially release the ball in a very dangerous position. Teams will counter that with, “if he turns you, take him out by any means necessary”
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Post by: Risso on August 18, 2024, 12:15:50 PM
Developing into a bit of a fucking nightmare to have running at you is our Morg'
And then we bring on Ramsey, so we have two players doing it. It's almost cheating!
Post by: The Charmer on August 18, 2024, 12:20:09 PM
Post by: danno on August 18, 2024, 12:21:49 PM
Pau's 50-yard glide wasn't too shabby either.
Still can’t believe they didn’t show a replay of that, his shimmy near the start was unreal.
Post by: Monty on August 18, 2024, 12:23:19 PM
Developing into a bit of a fucking nightmare to have running at you is our Morg'
And then we bring on Ramsey, so we have two players doing it. It's almost cheating!
Then Bailey's out there as well. Must be a total nightmare.
Post by: martin o`who?? on August 18, 2024, 12:28:04 PM
I remember being a bit concerned when he first arrived that he kept getting done for pace on the turn when they ran at him - look at him now.Pau's 50-yard glide wasn't too shabby either.
Still can’t believe they didn’t show a replay of that, his shimmy near the start was unreal.
Emery is a genius.
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Post by: brontebilly on August 18, 2024, 01:15:33 PM
When Ramsey came on, did Rogers move to the right of centre mid? The game plan looked to be 4-3-2-1 (or 4 2 3 1).
Not to my eye, Philogene was on that flank. Rogers played well but I thought should have done better with two great chances, one he created for himself with a fine run. That's his position for me, up near Watkins.
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Post by: jwarry on August 25, 2024, 05:52:23 AM
The one bright spot from today was his performance, what a player he could be.
One bright spot, really?
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 25, 2024, 07:39:52 AM
Maybe my wording is clumsy, but based on the levels we are expecting I do not think any other Villa player was close to his performance.The one bright spot from today was his performance, what a player he could be.
One bright spot, really?
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2024, 07:42:49 AM
But Rogers was sensational, with one caveat. He needs to add end product, quickly
Post by: jwarry on August 25, 2024, 07:45:58 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on August 25, 2024, 08:11:19 AM
Onana did very well at times. Kosta coming in at 18 showed he's going to have a very decent career. Tielemans warmed into the game. I actually think for a few this week was more use than last to sharpen them up at bit.
But Rogers was sensational, with one caveat. He needs to add end product, quickly
I thought kosta was excellent considering that was his first set of minutes and that he is only 18. He is going to be some player for us i predict. He is bloody quick as well
Post by: Monty on August 25, 2024, 09:02:32 AM
Post by: nick harper on August 25, 2024, 09:40:27 AM
I said I think he looks like Kaká, by which I mean he seems to run faster with the ball than most do without it. Plus he seems to know exactly when to change direction to wrongfoot a defender. You feel like he's just getting started, too.
Carsley was there and worked with him for the U21s. With Bellingham out, he’s in with a shout to be called up. I thought his close control, strength and running was simply outstanding. He was running away from experienced internationals time and time again.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 25, 2024, 09:41:31 AM
I thought Kosta looked like a liability. Yes he’s young, but right now he looks nowhere near PL ready to me.Onana did very well at times. Kosta coming in at 18 showed he's going to have a very decent career. Tielemans warmed into the game. I actually think for a few this week was more use than last to sharpen them up at bit.
But Rogers was sensational, with one caveat. He needs to add end product, quickly
I thought kosta was excellent considering that was his first set of minutes and that he is only 18. He is going to be some player for us i predict. He is bloody quick as well
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 25, 2024, 09:48:38 AM
The one bright spot from today was his performance, what a player he could be.
That really is a pathetic statement…..
Post by: The Edge on August 25, 2024, 10:14:01 AM
I can't understand how any villa fan can come away from that game and be anything but impressed by the way we played. We were sublime at times. A fit and firing Ollie Watkins and we cruise to victory there.The one bright spot from today was his performance, what a player he could be.
That really is a pathetic statement…..
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 25, 2024, 10:20:53 AM
I thought Kosta looked like a liability. Yes he’s young, but right now he looks nowhere near PL ready to me.Onana did very well at times. Kosta coming in at 18 showed he's going to have a very decent career. Tielemans warmed into the game. I actually think for a few this week was more use than last to sharpen them up at bit.
But Rogers was sensational, with one caveat. He needs to add end product, quickly
I thought kosta was excellent considering that was his first set of minutes and that he is only 18. He is going to be some player for us i predict. He is bloody quick as well
I disagree, I thought he had a very decent game.
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2024, 10:22:55 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 25, 2024, 10:24:13 AM
Other than giving it away a few times and looking like a rabbit in headlights on the ball you mean?I thought Kosta looked like a liability. Yes he’s young, but right now he looks nowhere near PL ready to me.Onana did very well at times. Kosta coming in at 18 showed he's going to have a very decent career. Tielemans warmed into the game. I actually think for a few this week was more use than last to sharpen them up at bit.
But Rogers was sensational, with one caveat. He needs to add end product, quickly
I thought kosta was excellent considering that was his first set of minutes and that he is only 18. He is going to be some player for us i predict. He is bloody quick as well
I disagree, I thought he had a very decent game.
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2024, 10:32:14 AM
As I said not just Villa players, no one on the pitch. So just think for a minute who was on that pitch and whilst defeat is not acceptable there were plenty of other bright spots in our performance.Maybe my wording is clumsy, but based on the levels we are expecting I do not think any other Villa player was close to his performance.The one bright spot from today was his performance, what a player he could be.
One bright spot, really?
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2024, 10:48:55 AM
Post by: OCD on August 25, 2024, 11:55:09 AM
I said I think he looks like Kaká, by which I mean he seems to run faster with the ball than most do without it. Plus he seems to know exactly when to change direction to wrongfoot a defender. You feel like he's just getting started, too.
This for me is spot on. For as good as he was, I think it's only a glimpse of what he'll become. Add an end product, along with more experience and he's going to develop into a top player.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 25, 2024, 12:12:01 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2024, 12:19:01 PM
It's interesting that Emery saw something in him but Guardiola didn't.He probably did as he also did in Cole Palmer but in the end there is only so many nice toys you can play with.
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2024, 12:21:40 PM
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2024, 01:31:11 PM
He's an exceptional player.
Post by: Matt C on August 25, 2024, 02:32:32 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2024, 02:54:19 PM
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2024, 03:20:26 PM
It's interesting that Emery saw something in him but Guardiola didn't.He probably did as he also did in Cole Palmer but in the end there is only so many nice toys you can play with.
Not enough to put him in the team and flog him for £50m
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2024, 03:45:29 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on August 25, 2024, 04:20:38 PM
Post by: jwarry on August 25, 2024, 04:38:41 PM
I've probably said this before but the way Rogers moves with ball reminds me of prime Stan Collymore - can control it with either foot equally well and his physique allows him to protect the ball without being knocked off it. He managed to drag us up the pitch yesterday just by running with ball which is a very potent weapon in what is now called 'transition' or in old money counter-attacking.
That’s a good shout
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 25, 2024, 04:42:51 PM
He has everything but a final ball, if/when that clicks for him he'll be unstoppable
To be fair, Ollie scores his sitter then we wouldn't be talking much about his lack of final ball!
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2024, 05:22:00 PM
He has everything but a final ball, if/when that clicks for him he'll be unstoppable
To be fair, Ollie scores his sitter then we wouldn't be talking much about his lack of final ball!
Fair point.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2024, 03:21:31 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2024, 03:24:29 PM
As an aside, the Athletic Villa coverage is so, so much better with Tanswell than Gregggggggg Evans.
Not just saying he's a better writer, but the variety of articles and the thought that goes in to them is on a different level. Although that may be down to other factors than the writer himself, but either way, the content is actually very good.
Yeah, he’s on a different level on tactics as well.
Post by: Nev on August 29, 2024, 03:29:23 PM
I know there is a large dose of bias here, but how on earth is Jack Grealish in the England squad over Morgan Rogers?
I agree but I'm glad Rogers isn't involved. I'd rather he focussed exclusively on us, given what we've seen so far, his chance will come.
Post by: john e on August 29, 2024, 03:33:14 PM
But I’m not to fussed about him missing out if I’ve got my Villa hat on
His time will come
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 29, 2024, 03:33:31 PM
I know there is a large dose of bias here, but how on earth is Jack Grealish in the England squad over Morgan Rogers?
I agree but I'm glad Rogers isn't involved. I'd rather he focussed exclusively on us, given what we've seen so far, his chance will come.
Same here. Wouldn't have been surprised if he were called up, but glad he isn't.
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2024, 03:38:28 PM
Post by: manic-road on August 29, 2024, 03:39:35 PM
I know there is a large dose of bias here, but how on earth is Jack Grealish in the England squad over Morgan Rogers?
I agree but I'm glad Rogers isn't involved. I'd rather he focussed exclusively on us, given what we've seen so far, his chance will come.
Same here. Wouldn't have been surprised if he were called up, but glad he isn't.
I actually expected him to be called up after his performance against Arsenal in front of Englands temp coach.
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 29, 2024, 03:42:11 PM
Who on earth is Angel Gomes? 🤷♂️He played for Lille against us last season. I thought he had a fairly serious head injury recently.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 29, 2024, 03:43:23 PM
And yeh, never heard of Angel Gomes. Looked him up. Lille player former Man U.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 29, 2024, 03:45:49 PM
Who on earth is Angel Gomes? 🤷♂️
You haven't seen her on Pornhub?
Post by: Somniloquism on August 29, 2024, 03:54:52 PM
The Rogers comment is as much about his performances but how he missed out to Jack who has barely played in the past 6 months. If Rogers had missed out to another player in form then fine.
And yeh, never heard of Angel Gomes. Looked him up. Lille player former Man U.
Carsley has chosen him at U21 for the tournament won last year so I can understand him giving some of that team the chance at a higher level. If Ramsey hadn't missed most of last season he probably would have been in with a chance as well.
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2024, 04:06:48 PM
Who on earth is Angel Gomes? 🤷♂️
You haven't seen her on Pornhub?
Ah of course, thought I knew the name! High School Anal 3.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 29, 2024, 04:24:41 PM
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2024, 04:25:38 PM
I'm not surprised he isn't in yet, he's only started 10 PL games. I reckon he'll be in by the end of the season though if he plays well.
Yup, if the Arsenal performance becomes his standard over the next couple of months he'll definitely be in the next squad.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2024, 04:26:41 PM
Who on earth is Angel Gomes? 🤷♂️
You haven't seen her on Pornhub?
Ah of course, thought I knew the name! High School Anal 3.
Isn't that Footy's favourite or am I confusing them with somebody else?
Post by: eamonn on August 29, 2024, 04:55:40 PM
Post by: Accent Guy on August 29, 2024, 08:49:09 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2024, 09:36:09 PM
Who on earth is Angel Gomes? 🤷♂️He played against us for Lille in both legs number 8, however cam on as a sub. About 15 minute at VP and whole of second half at their place.
Obviously didn’t make an impact on you😟
Post by: Beard82 on August 29, 2024, 09:50:23 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2024, 06:25:02 AM
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2024, 11:30:59 AM
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Forwards: Jamie Gittens (Borussia Dortmund), Liam Delap (Ipswich Town), Sam Iling-Junior (Bologna FC, loan from Aston Villa), Omari Hutchinson (Ipswich), Jaden Philogene (Aston Villa), Morgan Rogers (Aston Villa)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 30, 2024, 11:33:50 AM
Post by: OCD on August 30, 2024, 11:57:17 AM
But, but, Juve pulled our pants down when they forced us to accept that "dud", Iling-Junior.
Just like Middlesbrough pulled our pants down with Rogers.
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2024, 11:58:27 AM
Post by: Drummond on August 30, 2024, 01:45:09 PM
I'm not sure that playing for the U21s is proof of much either way to be honest.
It shows it's not just us that thinks they have good potential though.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 30, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2024, 02:53:27 PM
I don’t think even Middlesbrough saw the potential he had surely they would’ve wanted more than £15m with add ons otherwise.
Wasn't it more like 8 or 9 million with it potentially rising to £15m?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 30, 2024, 03:02:37 PM
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2024, 03:09:03 PM
I'm not sure that playing for the U21s is proof of much either way to be honest.
It shows it's not just us that thinks they have good potential though.
Yup. It's not a guarantee that he'll become a world-beater, but it shows that he's considered to be one of the best players for his age in the country at the moment.
He's also thought of highly enough that he's being pushed through the age groups well ahead of time - he made his England U21 debut when he was still eligible for the U19s, and he's still eligible for the U20 side now.
Post by: enigma on August 30, 2024, 05:58:52 PM
But, but, Juve pulled our pants down when they forced us to accept that "dud", Iling-Junior.I don't think anyone's saying he's a dud. Just that he's not what we really need right now.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 30, 2024, 06:05:12 PM
I'm not sure that playing for the U21s is proof of much either way to be honest.
It shows it's not just us that thinks they have good potential though.
Yup. It's not a guarantee that he'll become a world-beater, but it shows that he's considered to be one of the best players for his age in the country at the moment.
He's also thought of highly enough that he's being pushed through the age groups well ahead of time - he made his England U21 debut when he was still eligible for the U19s, and he's still eligible for the U20 side now.
Plus he's been playing in Italy for the last two seasons rather than in the Prem-IER League.
Post by: OCD on August 30, 2024, 06:23:51 PM
But, but, Juve pulled our pants down when they forced us to accept that "dud", Iling-Junior.I don't think anyone's saying he's a dud. Just that he's not what we really need right now.
You wouldn't think that reading the transfer and verdict threads.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2024, 09:13:39 PM
As for Rogers I was hopeful, but his development has been staggering. He’s been outstanding and just has everything about his game.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 30, 2024, 10:29:10 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/aug/30/morgan-rogers-the-training-was-a-shock-to-me-the-games-were-a-shock (https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/aug/30/morgan-rogers-the-training-was-a-shock-to-me-the-games-were-a-shock)
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2024, 10:43:47 PM
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“Morgan played fantastic last week, fantastic. He is now ready to play in the England first team. If not, I accept it because there are other players as well. But do not call him up for the U21’s. His moment to play there is finished, it's done. Now he is at another level — it's completely clear he has gone to another level.”
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2024, 10:46:01 PM
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2024, 11:17:48 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 30, 2024, 11:20:51 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2024, 11:44:01 PM
By the time a player is late teens/early twenties, though, and often playing regular league football, they don't need to play in glorified underage friendlies to prove their worth, and spending more time with their clubs would be more beneficial to their development.
Post by: OCD on August 30, 2024, 11:44:26 PM
Post by: PhilVill on August 31, 2024, 05:28:49 AM
Post by: Rigadon on August 31, 2024, 06:34:12 AM
Post by: The Edge on August 31, 2024, 07:39:42 AM
Post by: Risso on August 31, 2024, 07:45:46 AM
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2024, 08:05:10 AM
Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2024, 08:30:04 AM
I'm glad he wasn't selected for England. Let's keep him focused on his progress for us. As for the U21's Unai is spot on. It will be interesting to see if they listen to him or ignore him and call him up.
He's already been called up, hasn't he? Him, Philogene, and Iling-Junior.
Post by: Risso on August 31, 2024, 08:30:43 AM
Yeah, but we've already got people in attacking midfield for England that have proven themselves to be utterly ineffective but still need another 20 caps before they're discarded.
Fair point. And Grealish has played 20 minutes this season I suppose.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2024, 08:37:26 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2024, 11:57:43 AM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 31, 2024, 12:47:43 PM
Post by: AV84 on August 31, 2024, 12:49:50 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 01, 2024, 07:27:42 AM
Post by: andyh on September 01, 2024, 07:58:03 AM
Fair play to Leicester. They did their homework and did a number on Morgan. He had a player on him the second he received the ball, they swamped him.
But, that’s down to the fact his reputation now proceeds him and the huge progress he has made. He is recognised as a massive danger and teams will try and stifle him.
He will deal with it, and become even better. I’m sure.
Post by: Smithy on September 01, 2024, 07:58:30 AM
I always wondered how do players over 21 play for them? Swear rogers is 22?
The U21 thing I believe is based on a player being U21 when the qualification starts for a tournament. So, if you’re eligible to play in the first qualifier, then you’re eligible to play until the tournament itself is over.
I think we’re halfway through qualifying for the next tournament? We won the last one in 2023 (when JJ got injured). In theory the U21 final could be fought by two teams full of players just shy of 23.
Post by: London Villan on September 01, 2024, 10:54:50 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2024, 11:06:09 AM
They’re the rules but it’s a bit odd.
Post by: Dogtanian on September 01, 2024, 11:44:01 AM
I always wondered how do players over 21 play for them? Swear rogers is 22?
The U21 thing I believe is based on a player being U21 when the qualification starts for a tournament. So, if you’re eligible to play in the first qualifier, then you’re eligible to play until the tournament itself is over.
I think we’re halfway through qualifying for the next tournament? We won the last one in 2023 (when JJ got injured). In theory the U21 final could be fought by two teams full of players just shy of 23.
Yeah, I think it makes sense so you don’t have your team losing players as the competition goes on as one by one their birthdays come.
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2024, 04:22:21 PM
I always wondered how do players over 21 play for them? Swear rogers is 22?
The U21 thing I believe is based on a player being U21 when the qualification starts for a tournament. So, if you’re eligible to play in the first qualifier, then you’re eligible to play until the tournament itself is over.
I think we’re halfway through qualifying for the next tournament? We won the last one in 2023 (when JJ got injured). In theory the U21 final could be fought by two teams full of players just shy of 23.
Yeah, I think it makes sense so you don’t have your team losing players as the competition goes on as one by one their birthdays come.
And the 'cut off' date is always January 1st so, for this season, anyone born in 2003 or later is officially considered as U21 (and that's a universal thing so it's same rule for anything that has restrictions based on age). They do it based on that rather than season because not all leagues start and end at the same time so calendar year is more consistent.
Post by: olaftab on September 03, 2024, 08:35:09 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 03, 2024, 08:36:36 PM
Its deserved
Post by: Dogtanian on September 03, 2024, 08:37:02 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 03, 2024, 08:41:38 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on September 03, 2024, 08:45:57 PM
Interesting carsley was listening to unai then.
Its deserved
It’s because Foden and Palmer have both been withdrawn.
Post by: London Villan on September 03, 2024, 09:04:44 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 03, 2024, 09:17:22 PM
Called up into the Nations League squad.
Where are you getting this from?
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 03, 2024, 09:26:41 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 03, 2024, 09:29:43 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 03, 2024, 09:30:13 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 03, 2024, 09:32:27 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 03, 2024, 09:35:12 PM
Someone that I trust but if not true I will never speak with him again.Called up into the Nations League squad.
Where are you getting this from?
Post by: VillaTim on September 03, 2024, 09:45:24 PM
Called up into the Nations League squad.? really ?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 03, 2024, 09:49:19 PM
Called up into the Nations League squad.
? really ?
¡In Aftab We Trust!
Post by: VillaTim on September 03, 2024, 09:54:46 PM
tap in merchant ? 8)Called up into the Nations League squad.
? really ?
¡In Aftab We Trust!
Post by: Risso on September 03, 2024, 09:56:42 PM
Only mention of a call up seems to be Villa News have supposedly spoken to Bryan King who thinks it may happen.......
Oh Aftab you massive great plonker!
Post by: PeterWithe on September 03, 2024, 09:57:58 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 03, 2024, 10:01:36 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 03, 2024, 10:24:36 PM
I know, my shame is already drowning me. I may NEVER post again😩Only mention of a call up seems to be Villa News have supposedly spoken to Bryan King who thinks it may happen.......
Oh Aftab you massive great plonker!
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2024, 09:50:53 AM
I know, my shame is already drowning me. I may NEVER post again😩Only mention of a call up seems to be Villa News have supposedly spoken to Bryan King who thinks it may happen.......
Oh Aftab you massive great plonker!
I'm not sure that's long enough.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 04, 2024, 07:14:55 PM
Interesting carsley was listening to unai then.
Its deserved
It’s because Foden and Palmer have both been withdrawn.
Palmer probably thought fuck this and fodens been ill i think.
Hope rogers gets minutes be annouing if he goes and gets no minutes
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2024, 07:57:24 PM
Interesting carsley was listening to unai then.
Its deserved
It’s because Foden and Palmer have both been withdrawn.
Palmer probably thought fuck this and fodens been ill i think.
Hope rogers gets minutes be annouing if he goes and gets no minutes
Mate, he hasn't been called up.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 04, 2024, 09:48:42 PM
Oh hasnt he? Someone above said rogers had been called up ?Interesting carsley was listening to unai then.
Its deserved
It’s because Foden and Palmer have both been withdrawn.
Palmer probably thought fuck this and fodens been ill i think.
Hope rogers gets minutes be annouing if he goes and gets no minutes
Mate, he hasn't been called up.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 04, 2024, 09:59:33 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 04, 2024, 10:02:01 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 05, 2024, 02:45:13 PM
I have looked at the robust Premier League rules on suspensions and bans. On length, it states in there that "Never" is 48 hours. So having served the full term of my self imposed shameful post ban I am now, I believe, back on :DI'm not sure that's long enough.I know, my shame is already drowning me. I may NEVER post again😩Only mention of a call up seems to be Villa News have supposedly spoken to Bryan King who thinks it may happen.......
Oh Aftab you massive great plonker!
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2024, 02:51:21 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 05, 2024, 02:59:25 PM
I have looked at the robust Premier League rules on suspensions and bans. On length, it states in there that "Never" is 48 hours. So having served the full term of my self imposed shameful post ban I am now, I believe, back on :DI'm not sure that's long enough.I know, my shame is already drowning me. I may NEVER post again😩Only mention of a call up seems to be Villa News have supposedly spoken to Bryan King who thinks it may happen.......
Oh Aftab you massive great plonker!
You could have stopped posting and joined as a new user instead. Sillhillvllla is available I believe.
Post by: olaftab on September 05, 2024, 03:15:23 PM
Post by: tom jennings III on September 06, 2024, 10:46:22 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 06, 2024, 11:12:41 PM
Looks like he played the full 90 mins against N.Ireland. Anyone watch?
I meant to, but got caught up in Bears throwing away a cricket match with all the incompetence of Lambert/Sherwood era Villa.
Post by: AV84 on September 06, 2024, 11:21:54 PM
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The best chance of the first half fell to Aston Villa's Morgan Rogers but he headed McAtee's free-kick over the bar.
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/d1e7/live/4f39dcd0-6c8f-11ef-aeb1-5d87daab2941.jpg.webp)
Post by: dicedlam on September 07, 2024, 09:44:16 AM
Looks like he played the full 90 mins against N.Ireland. Anyone watch?
A dull match with Rogers not breaking into much of a sweat, as did most of the England players. Morgan had only one real chance from an header, but he put a little too much on it and it sailed over the bar. He still showed some really superb touches throughout the game though, but gladly, he seemed to keep out of any trouble from some of the over zealous tackles that were flying about.
Iling-Junior came on late in the second half and showed some very decent footwork down the left hand side.
I thought N. Ireland deserved a point out of the game.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 09, 2024, 10:05:37 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 09, 2024, 10:20:42 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 09, 2024, 10:23:26 PM
2 goals, well done Morgan.
The first was a pretty unstoppable penalty, wouldn’t mind him getting the job for us on that evidence. The second was a really good finish as well.
Post by: AV84 on September 09, 2024, 10:38:36 PM
It's a tough position to be playing in for England really, they're spoiled for choice in midfield.
Post by: SaddVillan on September 10, 2024, 03:30:48 AM
https://t.co/v1YWpvgF2E
Goal
https://t.co/SXea1Kf9h5
Post by: Demitri_C on September 10, 2024, 10:03:03 AM
Whoever decided to buy this kid needs a medal . Not many saw it . What a talent
I remember when we were being linked with him the stories were that unai desperately wanted him.
I think alot of us at the time were like why? As in the cup he looked very average against us. But man he has been one of unais best buys value for money wise.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 10, 2024, 10:36:38 AM
Has Rogers played much for the U21s before this? Is Carsley familiar with him as a player ?
It's a tough position to be playing in for England really, they're spoiled for choice in midfield.
4 games, 4 goals.
Post by: rob_bridge on September 10, 2024, 10:54:33 AM
Whoever decided to buy this kid needs a medal . Not many saw it . What a talent
I remember when we were being linked with him the stories were that unai desperately wanted him.
I think alot of us at the time were like why? As in the cup he looked very average against us. But man he has been one of unais best buys value for money wise.
I liked the look of him in the cup game. Checked his age and thought he had potential. Couple of weeks later we were in for him and checked it was same bloke. Thought could be a good one - don't get me wrong we have had a lot of false dawns.
On the march. Value must have trebled in 7 or 8 months,
Post by: Smithy on September 10, 2024, 11:21:03 AM
Whoever decided to buy this kid needs a medal . Not many saw it . What a talent
I remember when we were being linked with him the stories were that unai desperately wanted him.
I think alot of us at the time were like why? As in the cup he looked very average against us. But man he has been one of unais best buys value for money wise.
I liked the look of him in the cup game. Checked his age and thought he had potential. Couple of weeks later we were in for him and checked it was same bloke. Thought could be a good one - don't get me wrong we have had a lot of false dawns.
On the march. Value must have trebled in 7 or 8 months,
What's interesting is it's not like he hasn't had "potential", for a few years. His loan at Bournemouth had an option to buy, but they chose not to. Boro picked him up for £1m.
Unai clearly saw something in him that he knew he could work with, coach, and mould into a premier league force - something none of the other coaches he's worked under could see (barring possibly Carrick).
Either way, he's been a brilliant signing, and next time we're told Unai wants a player who has so far failed to set the world alight, I will have complete trust in him (and his "process").
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2024, 11:52:34 AM
Whoever decided to buy this kid needs a medal . Not many saw it . What a talent
I remember when we were being linked with him the stories were that unai desperately wanted him.
I think alot of us at the time were like why? As in the cup he looked very average against us. But man he has been one of unais best buys value for money wise.
I liked the look of him in the cup game. Checked his age and thought he had potential. Couple of weeks later we were in for him and checked it was same bloke. Thought could be a good one - don't get me wrong we have had a lot of false dawns.
On the march. Value must have trebled in 7 or 8 months,
What's interesting is it's not like he hasn't had "potential", for a few years. His loan at Bournemouth had an option to buy, but they chose not to. Boro picked him up for £1m.
Unai clearly saw something in him that he knew he could work with, coach, and mould into a premier league force - something none of the other coaches he's worked under could see (barring possibly Carrick).
Either way, he's been a brilliant signing, and next time we're told Unai wants a player who has so far failed to set the world alight, I will have complete trust in him (and his "process").
Including Guardiola.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 10, 2024, 12:14:36 PM
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Post by: Smithy on September 10, 2024, 01:58:46 PM
With all of City's resources and the assets they have at their disposal, I'm not sure how higher priority it is for them to develop a player unless he's the next Phil Foden. They chose to cash in on Cole Palmer rather than give him a chance and if Rogers gets to that level, we'll have some player on our hands.
They don't all need to be Fodens, or Palmers, or even Rogers. The number of young players they sell for relatively small amounts (£1m to £5/6m) is quite big, and then every now and again they sell a good one quite a bit more, like Palmer. Their youth system is a decent profit-making machine for them. We're doing above average on that score ourselves in the last few years, definitely, but it's something we'll be doing more of, I'm certain of it.
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2024, 05:46:31 PM
With all of City's resources and the assets they have at their disposal, I'm not sure how higher priority it is for them to develop a player unless he's the next Phil Foden. They chose to cash in on Cole Palmer rather than give him a chance and if Rogers gets to that level, we'll have some player on our hands.
They don't all need to be Fodens, or Palmers, or even Rogers. The number of young players they sell for relatively small amounts (£1m to £5/6m) is quite big, and then every now and again they sell a good one quite a bit more, like Palmer. Their youth system is a decent profit-making machine for them. We're doing above average on that score ourselves in the last few years, definitely, but it's something we'll be doing more of, I'm certain of it.
Of course, but if you sell someone for £1m and they're worth at least £30-40m a year later it's going to sting a bit.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 10, 2024, 09:45:49 PM
Whoever decided to buy this kid needs a medal . Not many saw it . What a talent
I remember when we were being linked with him the stories were that unai desperately wanted him.
I think alot of us at the time were like why? As in the cup he looked very average against us. But man he has been one of unais best buys value for money wise.
I liked the look of him in the cup game. Checked his age and thought he had potential. Couple of weeks later we were in for him and checked it was same bloke. Thought could be a good one - don't get me wrong we have had a lot of false dawns.
On the march. Value must have trebled in 7 or 8 months,
He may have done but i remember the game not being very good. Couldnt recall him doing much in that particular game.
Rogers is going to be a 60m player easy
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 10:33:17 PM
Yet his final pass or finishing is still needing improvement.
Watkins or Duran would be finishing those chances today.
With Buendia on the scene again I can see him have rotational minutes however he played the whole match again when I thought it would have been fair to sub him off as he does tire and goes anonymous at times.
I do see a lot of Adam Traroe in him at the moment as he able to drive past players but end product lacking.
Always exciting but I can get frustrated as I just never expect him to score despite his chances they are not high xG chances
That said he has ability to progress and he will over course of season.
If he can get 8+ goals that would be super.
Expecting at least 5 though considering all comps and games.
Fully back him to improve but can't get too carried away.
Hopefully saving his best for Munich at home I have a feeling he does something special in that game! And Scores!
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 14, 2024, 10:37:43 PM
Just needs to get a bit more end product now from that position as too many moves fizzle out just to a pass that dosen't quite come off or a shot into the keeper's arms.
Still though considering he was an unknown six months back his progress has been extraordinary.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 17, 2024, 11:10:19 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 18, 2024, 01:47:29 AM
https://x.com/astonvilla___/status/1836176723458629760?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: Garyth on September 18, 2024, 07:15:21 AM
Some of these first touches are incredible. (No need to turn the sound off either for a change, banging tune):
https://x.com/astonvilla___/status/1836176723458629760?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
I really like how often he seems to take the ball on half-turn with one foot, then immediately progresses it on to someone else - often using the alternate foot. That sped of progression is often what creates the half gap for the recipient.
Post by: FatSam on September 18, 2024, 07:25:53 AM
Watching a bit of the Milan v Liverpool game last night was a reminder of how many players go through the Chelsea system. Obviously Salah for Liverpool, but Tomori and Abraham for Milan too. Of those, only Salah is a miss for Chelsea really, the other two wouldn’t get in their team.With all of City's resources and the assets they have at their disposal, I'm not sure how higher priority it is for them to develop a player unless he's the next Phil Foden. They chose to cash in on Cole Palmer rather than give him a chance and if Rogers gets to that level, we'll have some player on our hands.
They don't all need to be Fodens, or Palmers, or even Rogers. The number of young players they sell for relatively small amounts (£1m to £5/6m) is quite big, and then every now and again they sell a good one quite a bit more, like Palmer. Their youth system is a decent profit-making machine for them. We're doing above average on that score ourselves in the last few years, definitely, but it's something we'll be doing more of, I'm certain of it.
Of course, but if you sell someone for £1m and they're worth at least £30-40m a year later it's going to sting a bit.
Post by: Dave on September 18, 2024, 07:39:20 AM
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2024, 08:57:36 AM
Post by: JD on September 18, 2024, 09:04:45 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2024, 09:39:48 AM
His first touch is incredible, as is his balance and ability to just ghost past players on either side. And I reckon he's probably only about 75% as good as he's going to be in the future.
The way we're passing and receiving the ball at pace is something we haven't seen for such a long time.
Post by: Smithy on September 18, 2024, 10:06:06 AM
He has the potential to be a top-class international player, and most interestingly, there isn't anyone else around like him at the moment. There are plenty of tricky, skillful 10s capable of taking the ball on the half turn and playing the sort of passes he makes, but I can't think of any of them who have a 6'3" frame to go with the skills like he does.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 18, 2024, 10:57:33 AM
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2024, 11:00:14 AM
I may have already posted this, but he really reminds me of Collymore (if Rogers’ finishing was a bit better).
Yes, there's definitely elements of Stan at his best, and also Paul Gascoigne. I think by the end of this season he'll be widely recognised as our best player, and people will be worrying about £100m bids for him.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 18, 2024, 11:01:19 AM
Post by: Smithy on September 18, 2024, 11:07:38 AM
A kid who cost £8m in January that nobody saw could turn into this. Astonishing scouting by the Villa team.
13 months ago, Man City let him go for £1m. Crazy.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 18, 2024, 11:08:31 AM
A kid who cost £8m in January that nobody saw could turn into this. Astonishing scouting by the Villa team.
13 months ago, Man City let him go for £1m. Crazy.
Still when you go back to the start of this thread and his signing VillaTim wasn’t convinced. That’s good enough for me. Sell him.
Post by: Dave on September 18, 2024, 11:14:36 AM
A kid who cost £8m in January that nobody saw could turn into this. Astonishing scouting by the Villa team.
13 months ago, Man City let him go for £1m. Crazy.
Still when you go back to the start of this thread and his signing VillaTim wasn’t convinced. That’s good enough for me. Sell him.
To be fair (and I'm loath to be in this case), I don't think anyone on here had feelings much more positive than "well, if they've seen something in him then fine".
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 18, 2024, 11:17:52 AM
A kid who cost £8m in January that nobody saw could turn into this. Astonishing scouting by the Villa team.
13 months ago, Man City let him go for £1m. Crazy.
Still when you go back to the start of this thread and his signing VillaTim wasn’t convinced. That’s good enough for me. Sell him.
To be fair (and I'm loath to be in this case), I don't think anyone on here had feelings much more positive than "well, if they've seen something in him then fine".
I think most were that or generally quietly optimistic and seeing the potential positives. Mr Dim instead was struggling for excitement.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 18, 2024, 11:19:25 AM
A kid who cost £8m in January that nobody saw could turn into this. Astonishing scouting by the Villa team.
13 months ago, Man City let him go for £1m. Crazy.
More evidence if it was needed as to why Unai and his team are the best there is.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 18, 2024, 11:21:30 AM
I may have already posted this, but he really reminds me of Collymore (if Rogers’ finishing was a bit better).
Definitely can see the comparison, Morgan is more of a deep lying play-making version though to Collymore's out right goalscoring center forward. And crucially Morgan seems to have his head screwed on. Thankfully.
Post by: VillaTim on September 18, 2024, 11:25:42 AM
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2024, 11:25:55 AM
I think most were that or generally quietly optimistic and seeing the potential positives. Mr Dim instead was struggling for excitement.
You don't get searing insight like this on many other sites:
Big lad isn't he?
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2024, 11:36:45 AM
It's strange how often we see him running away from players in the middle of the field, given he doesn't appear to be particularly quick. Maybe his first 5-10 yards is much quicker than we give him credit for.
He has the potential to be a top-class international player, and most interestingly, there isn't anyone else around like him at the moment. There are plenty of tricky, skillful 10s capable of taking the ball on the half turn and playing the sort of passes he makes, but I can't think of any of them who have a 6'3" frame to go with the skills like he does.
I know Man City aren't exactly in hard times, but they must be looking on and thinking they've ballsed up massively here.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 18, 2024, 11:38:50 AM
I think most were that or generally quietly optimistic and seeing the potential positives. Mr Dim instead was struggling for excitement.
You don't get searing insight like this on many other sites:Big lad isn't he?
And look this for being completely dismissive of his talent.
Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans, he's got some truly terrible tattoos.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFP12LJW8AAD2zw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 18, 2024, 11:44:27 AM
A kid who cost £8m in January that nobody saw could turn into this. Astonishing scouting by the Villa team.
13 months ago, Man City let him go for £1m. Crazy.
Still when you go back to the start of this thread and his signing VillaTim wasn’t convinced. That’s good enough for me. Sell him.
To be fair (and I'm loath to be in this case), I don't think anyone on here had feelings much more positive than "well, if they've seen something in him then fine".
If he'd cost £19 or £29 million and not £9 million his signing would have been given reverence. He can't be any good at £9 million but must be good or decent at £19/£29 million. He's looking the bargain of all bargains and still improving.
Post by: Dogtanian on September 18, 2024, 02:29:22 PM
I think most were that or generally quietly optimistic and seeing the potential positives. Mr Dim instead was struggling for excitement.
You don't get searing insight like this on many other sites:Big lad isn't he?
And look this for being completely dismissive of his talent.Sweet baby Jesus and the orphans, he's got some truly terrible tattoos.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GFP12LJW8AAD2zw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
That wasn't a tattoo, that was our home shirt! :-[
Post by: eamonn on September 18, 2024, 03:08:27 PM
It's strange how often we see him running away from players in the middle of the field, given he doesn't appear to be particularly quick. Maybe his first 5-10 yards is much quicker than we give him credit for.
He has the potential to be a top-class international player, and most interestingly, there isn't anyone else around like him at the moment. There are plenty of tricky, skillful 10s capable of taking the ball on the half turn and playing the sort of passes he makes, but I can't think of any of them who have a 6'3" frame to go with the skills like he does.
I know Man City aren't exactly in hard times, but they must be looking on and thinking they've ballsed up massively here.
Did they retain a sell-on clause? Probably not much given the most we'll end-up paying is £15m or so.
I think Boro have one with us too.
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2024, 03:34:51 PM
It's strange how often we see him running away from players in the middle of the field, given he doesn't appear to be particularly quick. Maybe his first 5-10 yards is much quicker than we give him credit for.
He has the potential to be a top-class international player, and most interestingly, there isn't anyone else around like him at the moment. There are plenty of tricky, skillful 10s capable of taking the ball on the half turn and playing the sort of passes he makes, but I can't think of any of them who have a 6'3" frame to go with the skills like he does.
I know Man City aren't exactly in hard times, but they must be looking on and thinking they've ballsed up massively here.
Did they retain a sell-on clause? Probably not much given the most we'll end-up paying is £15m or so.
I think Boro have one with us too.
Only what they got out of Boro so maybe end up covering what they paid Albion.
Nice in a small way to have made mugs of them.
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on September 18, 2024, 06:55:16 PM
Definitely elements of Collymore to his game, deceptively quick and people seem to bounce off him remarkably easy. Reads the game well, links the play and isn't afraid to go for goal given half a chance. And has loads of confidence in himself. Reminds me a little of when we got Platt from Crewe for not a lot of dough.I may have already posted this, but he really reminds me of Collymore (if Rogers’ finishing was a bit better).
Yes, there's definitely elements of Stan at his best, and also Paul Gascoigne. I think by the end of this season he'll be widely recognised as our best player, and people will be worrying about £100m bids for him.
Post by: VillaTim on September 18, 2024, 07:22:34 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 18, 2024, 07:56:10 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 18, 2024, 08:14:44 PM
If he can improve his play in the final third he'll be some player
His play in the final third has generally been pretty bloody good (it’s where he operates most of the time). Finishing does need a bit of work.
Post by: VillaTim on September 18, 2024, 09:31:47 PM
Finishing needs work , generally he lays balls off well. It will come with more experience.If he can improve his play in the final third he'll be some player
His play in the final third has generally been pretty bloody good (it’s where he operates most of the time). Finishing does need a bit of work.
Post by: eye digress on September 18, 2024, 10:22:22 PM
The ability to ghost past players is reminiscent of Stan, for sure.I may have already posted this, but he really reminds me of Collymore (if Rogers’ finishing was a bit better).
Yes, there's definitely elements of Stan at his best, and also Paul Gascoigne. I think by the end of this season he'll be widely recognised as our best player, and people will be worrying about £100m bids for him.
The way he strikes the ball, rarely hitting through but more of a caress, reminds me of Yorke.
Think he hasn’t really had the rub of the green so far this season, which has left us focusing on a lack of end product. But if he’d bagged a goal or two, which he might easily have done, we wouldn’t be worrying about that right now.
He needs to learn to aim for the corners when he shoots, and to keep his composure when shooting at the end of a run. (Maybe that’s just a fitness thing?)
There, easy. Do I get the Barclays manager of the month?
Post by: rob_bridge on September 18, 2024, 10:36:55 PM
Morgan has already contributed far more as a 21-2 year old in 7 months than motormouth Stan who was at the top level largely a media hype in too many respects ever will.
Morgan's first touch is far superior. He has 3 meaningful goals and will get better,.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2024, 07:01:19 AM
Today is the day isn't it for Morgan Rogers to score his first this season..he has the extra motivation!
Post by: AV84 on September 21, 2024, 08:25:31 AM
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 21, 2024, 08:34:44 AM
Keeps making great runs, but the end finish or pass isn't quite happening yet.
Post by: VillaTim on September 21, 2024, 08:43:34 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 21, 2024, 09:18:05 AM
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2024, 10:53:51 AM
With Bailey back it may be Rogers drops to the bench today
Can't see it. I think Bailey will be saved, even if he is fit to start, and will come on for John McGinn on about 70 minutes.
Post by: Chris Smith on September 21, 2024, 11:21:10 AM
With Bailey back it may be Rogers drops to the bench today
Can't see it. I think Bailey will be saved, even if he is fit to start, and will come on for John McGinn on about 70 minutes.
That’s my expectation too. I imagine Bailey might be given a run on Tuesday along with Buendia.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2024, 12:20:03 PM
With Bailey back it may be Rogers drops to the bench today
Can't see it. I think Bailey will be saved, even if he is fit to start, and will come on for John McGinn on about 70 minutes.
I agree with Risso.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2024, 02:15:29 PM
Do think it's suddenly going to click for Rogers at some point soon.I forecast he will be scoring today.
Keeps making great runs, but the end finish or pass isn't quite happening yet.
He's extra motivated.
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2024, 08:14:09 PM
Post by: robleflaneur on September 21, 2024, 08:21:30 PM
Never seen such a transformation of a player's form within the same game.
Post by: rob_bridge on September 21, 2024, 10:46:52 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 29, 2024, 07:49:53 PM
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When interim manager Lee Carsley announces his next England squad on Thursday, there will be plenty of Aston Villa supporters looking out for the name of Morgan Rogers on the list.
The 22-year-old began 2024 playing in the Championship for Middlesbrough but, in a whirlwind nine months, he has become a mainstay of the Villa side that is competing in the Champions League and is once more stationed near the top of the Premier League table.
"That's how quickly football can change," Rogers said in an interview with The Guardian in August., external
"It is mad to know where I've got to in a short space of time but that is also what motivates me to think: 'Where can I be in another year or three years?' I don't just want to stop here."
Rogers has impressed many observers in the early weeks of this season, scoring twice for England Under-21s in the most recent international break and netting his first club goal of the campaign in Villa's 2-2 draw at Ipswich on Sunday.
Is a first senior international call-up set to follow?
Full article
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2k978ldl8o
Post by: VillaTim on September 29, 2024, 08:29:48 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 29, 2024, 08:50:58 PM
He's clearly a marked man now so we need to learn how to occupy the space he gives us when the opposition double up on him.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 29, 2024, 09:02:28 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 29, 2024, 09:06:10 PM
He's clearly a marked man now so we need to learn how to occupy the space he gives us when the opposition double up on him.
Yep. Morgan needs to look at improving his end product whilst Emery needs to find a way to exploit the gaps he must be creating.
I still think it’s mental that he’s anywhere near this standard already. Maybe we should expect a dip whilst he goes through some growing pains.
Post by: rob_bridge on September 29, 2024, 09:08:54 PM
He's clearly a marked man now so we need to learn how to occupy the space he gives us when the opposition double up on him.
Yep. Morgan needs to look at improving his end product whilst Emery needs to find a way to exploit the gaps he must be creating.
I still think it’s mental that he’s anywhere near this standard already. Maybe we should expect a dip whilst he goes through some growing pains.
He's been a Prem Player for 6 playing months. He will only get better.
Post by: VillaTim on September 29, 2024, 09:09:53 PM
He’s a brilliant player. As you say we need to be a bit sharper at exploiting the space he creates for us. His strength is so impressive.i thought he lost possession quite a bit today or didn't quite make the right touch. He was still one of our better players as was Tielemans and when they both went off we looked weaker . UE subs were a bit off today.
Post by: Ian. on September 29, 2024, 09:14:34 PM
The same could be said for strengthening at the back. FFP has really done its utmost to stop us building on last season too much.
Post by: rob_bridge on September 29, 2024, 09:16:00 PM
He’s a brilliant player. As you say we need to be a bit sharper at exploiting the space he creates for us. His strength is so impressive.i thought he lost possession quite a bit today or didn't quite make the right touch. He was still one of our better players as was Tielemans and when they both went off we looked weaker . UE subs were a bit off today.
Less options and more out of necessity bearing in mind forthcoming games.
Post by: Risso on September 29, 2024, 09:18:36 PM
It’s a shame we couldn’t really replace Diaby or keep hold of him. It could have been what we needed for the counter and also making the gaps for the likes of Rogers.
The same could be said for strengthening at the back. FFP has really done its utmost to stop us building on last season too much.
But then we chose to spend what we did on Maatsen, when we had two good left backs already. Also bringing Philogene back. That's £50m there, that could and probably should have been spent on more urgent areas of the team. I like Matty Cash, but he's not as good a right back as Digne is a left back, plus he's frequently injured, a right back was far more of a neccessity than a left back.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 29, 2024, 09:26:27 PM
It’s a shame we couldn’t really replace Diaby or keep hold of him. It could have been what we needed for the counter and also making the gaps for the likes of Rogers.
The same could be said for strengthening at the back. FFP has really done its utmost to stop us building on last season too much.
Weirdly it was probably Morgan’s form that allowed us to cash in on Diaby. Especially as Bailey had already bumped him from his best position.
Ramsey / Rogers / Bailey, on paper, are our best three but for many reasons they’ve barely played together. Some patience is needed as they get used to each other. Once they’re on autopilot I doubt many teams will be able to stop them and I trust Emery to find the patterns sooner rather than later.
Post by: AV84 on September 29, 2024, 09:35:25 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 29, 2024, 09:40:35 PM
It’s a shame we couldn’t really replace Diaby or keep hold of him. It could have been what we needed for the counter and also making the gaps for the likes of Rogers.
The same could be said for strengthening at the back. FFP has really done its utmost to stop us building on last season too much.
But then we chose to spend what we did on Maatsen, when we had two good left backs already. Also bringing Philogene back. That's £50m there, that could and probably should have been spent on more urgent areas of the team. I like Matty Cash, but he's not as good a right back as Digne is a left back, plus he's frequently injured, a right back was far more of a neccessity than a left back.
Hard to disagree with that. I suspect they thought Moreno and Carlos would be sold to provide the headroom to get a decent RB/RCB.
Maatsen was arguably solving next year’s problem (or the year after) but it’s not often you can sign one of Europes best young LBs that suits the team’s tactics. Too good an opportunity to pass up, especially when combined with Kellyman’s sale and the FFP benefits.
Post by: darren woolley on September 29, 2024, 09:51:53 PM
Post by: Ian. on September 29, 2024, 10:06:08 PM
Post by: Villafirst on October 01, 2024, 06:17:25 AM
Would be nice for him to get the call up, but as always I'd be happy enough for none of our players to get game time on international breaks.
If he showed his current form playing for Chelsea, Manure, Spurs etc., he would've been selected for England. Remains to be seen if Carsley picks him in the next squad.
Post by: Risso on October 01, 2024, 09:16:34 AM
I’m sure we won’t regret Maatsen, he’s a fine player and he will be our main left back quite soon I’m sure and Moreno never looked the same since injury. Jaden is a peculiar one, Emery must have seen something there he really likes. He’s looked good in the Championship league but no where near the levels we needed to replace Diaby with.
We won't regret Maatsen, that's not the point. We are already regretting not strengthening at right back, because it's helped to bollocks the entire defence.
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 01, 2024, 09:42:48 AM
Yep, I just hope we can get Kamara up to his previous level which will help. But the lack of a RB is a problem even when Cash is back.I’m sure we won’t regret Maatsen, he’s a fine player and he will be our main left back quite soon I’m sure and Moreno never looked the same since injury. Jaden is a peculiar one, Emery must have seen something there he really likes. He’s looked good in the Championship league but no where near the levels we needed to replace Diaby with.
We won't regret Maatsen, that's not the point. We are already regretting not strengthening at right back, because it's helped to bollocks the entire defence.
Post by: brontebilly on October 01, 2024, 03:19:21 PM
Yep, I just hope we can get Kamara up to his previous level which will help. But the lack of a RB is a problem even when Cash is back.I’m sure we won’t regret Maatsen, he’s a fine player and he will be our main left back quite soon I’m sure and Moreno never looked the same since injury. Jaden is a peculiar one, Emery must have seen something there he really likes. He’s looked good in the Championship league but no where near the levels we needed to replace Diaby with.
We won't regret Maatsen, that's not the point. We are already regretting not strengthening at right back, because it's helped to bollocks the entire defence.
Surely Kosta was meant to be that backup to Cash? Just looks a bit off the level required currently but he might settle soon. Bogarde and Konsa aren't the answer anyway. Just unbalances the entire team in and out of possession. Ipswich were content to let Konsa have the ball at the weekend
Post by: Paul.S on October 01, 2024, 06:11:40 PM
Post by: Dave P on October 01, 2024, 06:17:46 PM
I think we’ll see a great performance from Roger’s tomorrow. He’ll be given a bit more space and I can see him causing them issues.
It’ll be a performance so good, he’ll be linked with Chelsea and Liverpool in January.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 01, 2024, 06:19:36 PM
I think we’ll see a great performance from Roger’s tomorrow. He’ll be given a bit more space and I can see him causing them issues.
It’ll be a performance so good, he’ll be linked with Chelsea and Liverpool in January.
Bollox to that. I want him linked with Real Madrid.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 01, 2024, 09:02:51 PM
I think we’ll see a great performance from Roger’s tomorrow. He’ll be given a bit more space and I can see him causing them issues.
It’ll be a performance so good, he’ll be linked with Chelsea and Liverpool in January.
They will have to offer 80m + madueke for us to sell
Post by: olaftab on October 01, 2024, 09:06:37 PM
And Wolves, of course.I think we’ll see a great performance from Roger’s tomorrow. He’ll be given a bit more space and I can see him causing them issues.
It’ll be a performance so good, he’ll be linked with Chelsea and Liverpool in January.
Bollox to that. I want him linked with Real Madrid.
Post by: Dave P on October 03, 2024, 11:44:40 AM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on October 03, 2024, 01:05:48 PM
Apparently he's not in the England squad to be announced later. What more does he have to do?
Emery will be delighted when pulls out of the U21’s with an injury only to magically recover for our next game.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 03, 2024, 01:17:51 PM
https://x.com/astonvilla___/status/1841720916033573067?s=46
Post by: Dave on October 03, 2024, 01:22:19 PM
Apparently he's not in the England squad to be announced later. What more does he have to do?
Guess the problem is that he plays in a position which already has Bellingham and Palmer fighting over it. And it's only four months since everyone was getting very angry that Southgate wasn't building a team around Phil Foden in that position as well.
Given that there appears to be no long-term replacement coming along for Harry Kane, he might be better off putting all his work in his shooting and trying to make himself undroppable as England's future striker, as with the current competition it's hard to see him getting much game-time in the position he plays for us.
Post by: AV84 on October 03, 2024, 02:06:08 PM
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Post by: Risso on October 03, 2024, 02:23:18 PM
Apparently he's not in the England squad to be announced later. What more does he have to do?
Guess the problem is that he plays in a position which already has Bellingham and Palmer fighting over it. And it's only four months since everyone was getting very angry that Southgate wasn't building a team around Phil Foden in that position as well.
Given that there appears to be no long-term replacement coming along for Harry Kane, he might be better off putting all his work in his shooting and trying to make himself undroppable as England's future striker, as with the current competition it's hard to see him getting much game-time in the position he plays for us.
Well maybe, but I think he's more deserving of a call up than Grealish or Gibbs-White.
Post by: Rigadon on October 03, 2024, 05:43:56 PM
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Post by: olaftab on October 06, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
He played like he'd been reading the papers this week.How's he going to do that, he went to school in Halesowen?
Post by: Demitri_C on October 06, 2024, 05:27:05 PM
Post by: VillaTim on October 06, 2024, 05:52:54 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 06, 2024, 06:33:45 PM
Awful today. Worst performance for us today
Bit of a mixed bag, with probably more poor than good. To be honest, he's been the same for the last few games really and could probably do with a break.
Post by: olaftab on October 06, 2024, 06:36:52 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 06, 2024, 06:44:12 PM
Awful today. Worst performance for us today
Bit of a mixed bag, with probably more poor than good. To be honest, he's been the same for the last few games really and could probably do with a break.
I thought he was good the last two games but today he just kept holding the ball too long . Also his decision making was not good.
Glad he isnt going england he can stay here and focus on improving on that performance
Post by: Lsvilla on October 06, 2024, 06:52:01 PM
Picked for the u-21's. Hopefully he pulls outAwful today. Worst performance for us today
Bit of a mixed bag, with probably more poor than good. To be honest, he's been the same for the last few games really and could probably do with a break.
I thought he was good the last two games but today he just kept holding the ball too long . Also his decision making was not good.
Glad he isnt going england he can stay here and focus on improving on that performance
Post by: Demitri_C on October 06, 2024, 07:13:28 PM
Picked for the u-21's. Hopefully he pulls outAwful today. Worst performance for us today
Bit of a mixed bag, with probably more poor than good. To be honest, he's been the same for the last few games really and could probably do with a break.
I thought he was good the last two games but today he just kept holding the ball too long . Also his decision making was not good.
Glad he isnt going england he can stay here and focus on improving on that performance
Oh great 🤦♂️
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 06, 2024, 09:10:13 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 06, 2024, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: jwarry on October 06, 2024, 09:38:36 PM
He was poor today, however Morgan with final product is basically Zidane…
He is! Unplayable at times and will only get better. We have a worldie on our hands
Post by: VillaTim on October 06, 2024, 09:45:33 PM
He was poor today, however Morgan with final product is basically Zidane…He took the ball Down today at one point and turned in one movement taking out at least 2 of their players. Once he sorts his final third game out he will be the best player Stourbridge ever produced and one of the worlds best .
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 06, 2024, 10:02:31 PM
I don’t think he was poor. He was ponderous at times, but he still drove us forward. His rate of development has been astonishing.This is where I am, just needs to work on end product, when he does he will dominate and win games. Not there yet but what a talent.
Post by: Villan82 on October 06, 2024, 10:04:01 PM
He was poor today, however Morgan with final product is basically Zidane…
He is! Unplayable at times and will only get better. We have a worldie on our hands
It's such a cliche but his rise has been meteoric. To think we were scratching our heads on the first of February but now see him as a key player.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 06, 2024, 10:28:47 PM
Jesus Christ.
Post by: eye digress on October 06, 2024, 10:39:24 PM
We seem collectively unsure how to turn the territorial advantage his ball carrying brings into end product.
Was he having a strop with Duràn at one point?
Post by: Monty on October 06, 2024, 11:00:16 PM
All of which is absolutely fine. He's still raw, he's still learning, and days like today are important for that. He's having a marvellous season.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on October 07, 2024, 12:43:56 AM
Post by: ROBBO on October 07, 2024, 04:57:58 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 07, 2024, 10:01:21 AM
He had a bad game.I don’t think he did either, he faded last 15 but was continually trying to break through their defence, it didn’t come off but caused them lots of problems.
Jesus Christ.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 07, 2024, 10:14:54 AM
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on October 07, 2024, 10:25:59 AM
Post by: Risso on October 07, 2024, 10:58:05 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on October 07, 2024, 10:59:20 AM
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on October 07, 2024, 11:10:49 AM
I hope the lad gets 10 goals this season and breaks into the England set up.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 07, 2024, 11:23:40 AM
I think he had an off day yesterday, but only by his already high standards. He does need to work on his end product, and should take some tips from his mate Palmer in that regard. But overall he's brilliant, I love watching him play football. Apart from yesterday, mostly.
He just looked a little rusty. He was running through them with the ball then would over hit a touch and end up losing the ball.
It's awesome watching him drive forward and not care about how many opposition players he just steam rollers through
Post by: tomd2103 on October 07, 2024, 11:43:20 AM
I'm a convert. I think he will be great player in 12 months, and turn out to be an absolute steal. Great attitude and strong as an ox, he is a leader and vocal on the pitch and believes in himself. Doesn't go missing in games. I'm beginning to really like him.
He's been great already. Just been caught on the ball and given it away a few too many times in the last few games, but has still shown moments of quality as well.
It's to be expected with young players really.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 07, 2024, 11:44:44 AM
I'm a convert. I think he will be great player in 12 months, and turn out to be an absolute steal. Great attitude and strong as an ox, he is a leader and vocal on the pitch and believes in himself. Doesn't go missing in games. I'm beginning to really like him.
He's been great already. Just been caught on the ball and given it away a few too many times in the last few games, but has still shown moments of quality as well.
It's to be expected with young players really.
He is a player that tries lots of things he doesnt play safe so it wont always work , he is ace !!
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 07, 2024, 09:52:23 PM
He clearly loves it at Villa, and has grasped the opportunity with both hands. His interview on the pitch after Bayern was great. He has quickly become a big character in the dressing room and he knows the manager believes in him.
I hope the lad gets 10 goals this season and breaks into the England set up.
Trouble is he plays in a congested area for England. Whilst his form may often be better than Bellingham, Foden, Palmer, Saka, Grealish and Gordon; they’re more likely to have the 20+ caps experience that the managers seem to want. .
Post by: LeeB on October 08, 2024, 09:12:24 AM
He clearly loves it at Villa, and has grasped the opportunity with both hands. His interview on the pitch after Bayern was great. He has quickly become a big character in the dressing room and he knows the manager believes in him.
I hope the lad gets 10 goals this season and breaks into the England set up.
Trouble is he plays in a congested area for England. Whilst his form may often be better than Bellingham, Foden, Palmer, Saka, Grealish and Gordon; they’re more likely to have the 20+ caps experience that the managers seem to want. .
There is always, always a reason not to pick the Villa player, regardless of the individual in charge.
Post by: Richard on October 08, 2024, 11:04:37 AM
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on October 08, 2024, 11:06:19 AM
This is correct unfortunately. If he gets his chance it will be down to others being missing from the squad through injury as it stands. Hope he gets a look in at some stageHe clearly loves it at Villa, and has grasped the opportunity with both hands. His interview on the pitch after Bayern was great. He has quickly become a big character in the dressing room and he knows the manager believes in him.
I hope the lad gets 10 goals this season and breaks into the England set up.
Trouble is he plays in a congested area for England. Whilst his form may often be better than Bellingham, Foden, Palmer, Saka, Grealish and Gordon; they’re more likely to have the 20+ caps experience that the managers seem to want. .
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 08, 2024, 06:46:24 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 08, 2024, 07:47:00 PM
Cracking player, so good to watch. He's already a favourite of mine.
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 12, 2024, 09:45:04 PM
Taking the wrong option; taking the right option but not putting the correct weight on the pass or delaying too long. Once he starts getting these things right, he will be a massive problem for other teams, as Arsenal found out.
Post by: andyh on October 12, 2024, 09:48:41 PM
He is doing more than fine.
Post by: AV84 on October 13, 2024, 10:29:05 AM
The fact Rogers seems to be good pals with Duran could help too, because he's certainly not an over thinker on the ball.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 15, 2024, 11:11:43 PM
Rogers didn't score or assist any of the 3 goals when he was on the pitch and there were another 4 after his substitution.
The final score was 7-0.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 19, 2024, 03:29:56 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 19, 2024, 04:35:12 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 19, 2024, 04:42:03 PM
Just disappointed the needless yellow and should have scored more than one -I'm sure Emery will be telling him!
Post by: Gerrin on October 19, 2024, 07:05:40 PM
Post by: Chap on October 19, 2024, 07:12:46 PM
Best bargain ever. That's a £100m player in a couple of years£100m now.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 19, 2024, 07:19:15 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 19, 2024, 07:27:37 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on October 19, 2024, 08:56:22 PM
Received the ball 40 yards out and drove at the defence.
But this time, unlike recently, he didn't dither, overthink or delay, but got a shot off. A lucky deflection? Maybe, but you make your own luck.
Just needs to keep doing it every game, if he does then 7-10 goals in the season will be easily achievable.
Post by: VillaTim on October 19, 2024, 09:01:27 PM
He did miss that sitter which i'm not sure how he managed to do that
Post by: Border villan on October 19, 2024, 09:08:15 PM
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Post by: VillaTim on October 19, 2024, 11:03:21 PM
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2024, 09:49:05 AM
Post by: Monty on October 20, 2024, 09:51:01 AM
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2024, 09:55:30 AM
That bit in the first half, where he cut into the box from the right beating two Fulham defenders with a single flap of his feet, was incredible. It reminded me (no joke) of Real Ronaldo with the combination of power and technique.
Agreed, that was fantastic, such great balance and skill. According to Whoscored, his weaknesses are "holding on to the ball and passing". You wot mate?!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 20, 2024, 10:28:24 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 20, 2024, 10:31:37 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2024, 10:47:27 AM
Better player than Bellendham and ultimately I predict will replace him in the England line up .Ok I love Morgz but no I can't agree.
You could argue he's better than Grealish and I would argue Ramsey is as good as both Grealish and Gordon too.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 20, 2024, 10:48:23 AM
His weakness is holding on to the ball and not passing!His weakness is his shooting and finishing.
The goal yesterday I wondering if the deflected shot was anywhere near on target.
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2024, 10:51:39 AM
Post by: Monty on October 20, 2024, 10:52:03 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 20, 2024, 11:10:52 AM
Well Emery has taken a player probably cast off as he didn't take the same path and then used those same 'faults' and turned them into game breaking superpowers.
Post by: SaddVillan on October 20, 2024, 11:56:42 AM
Got the ball about 40 yds out in space, drove at the defence. But this time, unlike on recent occasions he didn't dither, overthink or faff about, but got a shot off.
A lucky deflection? Maybe, but you make your own luck.
By getting his shot off quickly it prevented defenders getting into position and closing down space.
This is what makes Duran so hard to mark - he hardly ever takes any time between receiving the ball and shooting.
Post by: eye digress on October 20, 2024, 12:31:12 PM
No shooting's not his weakness, he's the player I trust joint-most in a one-on-one in our team (joint with Duran).Mentioned this before, but he reminds me of early Yorke in his manner of striking the ball when shooting - very often on the advanced instep and rarely through the laces, if you'll forgive the layman's terms, like an aggressive pass. But more often than not, beautifully struck, just the placement isn't quite there yet on a consistent basis.
Sometimes I find myself wishing he'd just leather it.
Can't recall how Yorke went from that stage to sticking it in the corner 9 times out of 10...
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2024, 12:34:22 PM
His weakness is holding on to the ball and not passing!His weakness is his shooting and finishing.
The goal yesterday I wondering if the deflected shot was anywhere near on target.
It was on target although I expect it would have been saved if not deflected.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 20, 2024, 12:35:09 PM
He's started 16 Premier Leaguer Games for us, and been a sub for 3, so his top flight career for us consists of half a season. At this rate of progression never mind Bellingham, he's going to be like Maradonna, Pele and Messi all rolled into one.
Zidane is his stylist doppelgänger for me.
Post by: andyh on October 20, 2024, 12:36:21 PM
His weakness is holding on to the ball and not passing!
I’m not sure about that, I think it more the quality or finesse of his final ball.
Everything he does upto that critical moment is usually spectacular.
That said, the kid has been playing at this level for about 25 games.
In that time he has become a nailed on starter, despite all the quality in the squad.
The kid is going to be superstar..
Post by: eamonn on October 20, 2024, 01:07:20 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 22, 2024, 10:06:47 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on October 22, 2024, 10:09:06 PM
Just pure and utter filth
What a player
Post by: supertom on October 22, 2024, 10:12:34 PM
I think he's gonna get better as the season wears on too. Unai is feeding him as many minutes as possible too because he knows it's gonna make him even better.
I think we'll need to be careful not to burn him out over Christmas and the congested periods. He does look indefatigable but the minutes could still take their toll. Right now he could probably play two matches a day.
Post by: colin69 on October 22, 2024, 10:13:27 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 22, 2024, 10:16:35 PM
Post by: Monty on October 22, 2024, 10:18:17 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 22, 2024, 10:24:40 PM
How do we sign a player for, I dunno, £10m. How do Boro sign that player, 6-months earlier, for a million. It makes no sense.
Post by: Smithy on October 22, 2024, 10:28:44 PM
Thank f**k Unai saw what he did as quickly as he did once the leash was off at Boro.
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2024, 10:29:34 PM
He's turning into such an incredible player. I'm so pleased Unai picked him up when he did. He's yet another example of how "the Pep method" is ruining brilliant individual talents. You can see how he's ruined Grealish, see how Palmer thrived when he escaped from his system, and now Morgan is another with brilliant match-winning ability that was stifled so badly at Man City that he ended up being sold for £1m.
Thank f**k Unai saw what he did as quickly as he did once the leash was off at Boro.
Yep.
Post by: KevinGage on October 22, 2024, 10:32:11 PM
He's turning into such an incredible player. I'm so pleased Unai picked him up when he did. He's yet another example of how "the Pep method" is ruining brilliant individual talents. You can see how he's ruined Grealish, see how Palmer thrived when he escaped from his system, and now Morgan is another with brilliant match-winning ability that was stifled so badly at Man City that he ended up being sold for £1m.
Thank f**k Unai saw what he did as quickly as he did once the leash was off at Boro.
Aye.
How do you have the likes of Rodgers and Grealish on the books and just want them to play the simple pass.
A team of Ashley Westwoods, that's what Pep deserves.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 22, 2024, 11:12:04 PM
He's got two goals and two assists in 8 games, and his all round games is miles better than Diaby, who he has effectively replaced.
Without a question of a doubt. The brilliant thing is he's still a great prospect. He still has things to work on and the goals will come but I stick by my original claim, he reminds me of Ronaldo, R9, the real one. Such power, strength, vision, technique, he's that bloody good and by all accounts he has his feet firmly planted on the ground.
He can be as good or great as he wants to be. With our current squad, transfers are going to be interesting. The bar is being constantly raised.
Post by: Villan82 on October 22, 2024, 11:34:18 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 22, 2024, 11:42:45 PM
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2024, 11:47:20 PM
He's turning into such an incredible player. I'm so pleased Unai picked him up when he did. He's yet another example of how "the Pep method" is ruining brilliant individual talents. You can see how he's ruined Grealish, see how Palmer thrived when he escaped from his system, and now Morgan is another with brilliant match-winning ability that was stifled so badly at Man City that he ended up being sold for £1m.
Thank f**k Unai saw what he did as quickly as he did once the leash was off at Boro.
So, Gaurdiola has flogged both Palmer and Rogers off. Silly boy.
Post by: Olneythelonely on October 22, 2024, 11:50:10 PM
Post by: andyh on October 22, 2024, 11:51:43 PM
He’s only played a handful of games at this level and is already a nailed on starter, in a squad that’s now as strong as ours is.
New contract incoming soon.
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2024, 11:57:12 PM
Saw a great stat on Twitter, I hope it's true. Completed dribbles in the Champions League this year:
Morgan Rogers - 16
Man City - 14
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 23, 2024, 12:15:40 AM
This lad is going to be a world beater, mark my words.
Saw a great stat on Twitter, I hope it's true. Completed dribbles in the Champions League this year:
Morgan Rogers - 16
Man City - 14
Yeah but it's all fluff until something happens from it. Love him but love the team more, he's a clog in the team, a beautiful one, absolutely by we need to take the next step. Admittedly it's taken us all, even Unai, by surprise, this wasn't supposed to happen until next season but as we're there, we're brilliantly developing the squad, why not follow the leader and start demanding more?
Of course I understand why, the last 20 odd years have been generally shite with the exception of getting promoted. Pearls to pigs with MON, the tool struggled to win at Villa Park, ffs. Dean restored some pride and we'll always love him for that. Unai has come in, seen his surroundings, sensed the pure love from the Villa fans (nothing like the Tarquins at Arsenal), owners who are supportive, everything clicks into place.
It will be interesting how far Morgan can grow. Right now he should count his lucky stars he's at a club like Aston Villa where as Cashy said, is on the up and with a manager that can help him develop. World beater? I'm a believer but he still has a lot to do. Right now I can't fault his attitude. I look forward to watching his development.
Post by: tomd2103 on October 23, 2024, 12:24:14 AM
This lad is going to be a world beater, mark my words.
Saw a great stat on Twitter, I hope it's true. Completed dribbles in the Champions League this year:
Morgan Rogers - 16
Man City - 14
Yeah but it's all fluff until something happens from it. Love him but love the team more, he's a clog in the team, a beautiful one, absolutely by we need to take the next step. Admittedly it's taken us all, even Unai, by surprise, this wasn't supposed to happen until next season but as we're there, we're brilliantly developing the squad, why not follow the leader and start demanding more?
Of course I understand why, the last 20 odd years have been generally shite with the exception of getting promoted. Pearls to pigs with MON, the tool struggled to win at Villa Park, ffs. Dean restored some pride and we'll always love him for that. Unai has come in, seen his surroundings, sensed the pure love from the Villa fans (nothing like the Tarquins at Arsenal), owners who are supportive, everything clicks into place.
It will be interesting how far Morgan can grow. Right now he should count his lucky stars he's at a club like Aston Villa where as Cashy said, is on the up and with a manager that can help him develop. World beater? I'm a believer but he still has a lot to do. Right now I can't fault his attitude. I look forward to watching his development.
He's done really well, but I agree that he just needs to sharpen that end product to really take that next step.
I still maintain that if financial restrictions werent an issue and we could add a real top quality number 10 and right sided player to the current squad (say Salah and Bernado Silva), along with a RCB or RB option, we would be genuine title challengers.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 23, 2024, 01:28:15 AM
Post by: dorsetvillian on October 23, 2024, 01:29:59 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 23, 2024, 01:35:21 AM
Grealish was similar to Rogers when he first broke through. Not enough end product in assists and goals. Once it clicked though he was our talisman. I fully expect Rogers to be the same. He is quite unique in the Prem.
I agree. He's understandably not quite there yet, but has the potential to be very special.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 23, 2024, 06:56:12 AM
This lad is going to be a world beater, mark my words.
Saw a great stat on Twitter, I hope it's true. Completed dribbles in the Champions League this year:
Morgan Rogers - 16
Man City - 14
Yeah but it's all fluff until something happens from it. Love him but love the team more, he's a clog in the team, a beautiful one, absolutely by we need to take the next step. Admittedly it's taken us all, even Unai, by surprise, this wasn't supposed to happen until next season but as we're there, we're brilliantly developing the squad, why not follow the leader and start demanding more?
Of course I understand why, the last 20 odd years have been generally shite with the exception of getting promoted. Pearls to pigs with MON, the tool struggled to win at Villa Park, ffs. Dean restored some pride and we'll always love him for that. Unai has come in, seen his surroundings, sensed the pure love from the Villa fans (nothing like the Tarquins at Arsenal), owners who are supportive, everything clicks into place.
It will be interesting how far Morgan can grow. Right now he should count his lucky stars he's at a club like Aston Villa where as Cashy said, is on the up and with a manager that can help him develop. World beater? I'm a believer but he still has a lot to do. Right now I can't fault his attitude. I look forward to watching his development.
He's done really well, but I agree that he just needs to sharpen that end product to really take that next step.
I still maintain that if financial restrictions werent an issue and we could add a real top quality number 10 and right sided player to the current squad (say Salah and Bernado Silva), along with a RCB or RB option, we would be genuine title challengers.
A real top quality number 10? What, to rotate with Rogers?
Post by: darren woolley on October 23, 2024, 08:49:07 AM
Post by: jwarry on October 23, 2024, 08:59:45 AM
Post by: LeeS on October 23, 2024, 09:12:24 AM
I think he's been a better signing than Ross McCormack and I'll happily fight anyone who says otherwise.
Right, you, outside now
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2024, 09:43:29 AM
He's the definition for me of a player you'd pay to watch.
Post by: DrGonzo on October 23, 2024, 10:37:20 AM
He creates chances and space for the team.
A little more composure in front of goal and he will be the finished article.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 23, 2024, 11:03:41 AM
This season he seems more about carrying the ball, and he's doing that extremely well too. Regarding the comparisons to Grealish, can you imagine Grealish staying on his feet for most of those 16 successful dribbles? Players just bounce off Rogers and he makes a point of protecting the ball whilst ploughing through rather than going down at the first opportunity. I think we'd have a truly world class player and one of the absolute best in the league if he gets to the point where he's doing the dribbling runs and the kind of passes to team mates that we saw in that Bournemouth game continually throughout games, and i think he will. He's still young and doesn't enter his peak years for another year or two, and when he does he's going to be absolutely great.
Post by: eamonn on October 23, 2024, 11:37:39 AM
Post by: darren woolley on October 23, 2024, 11:45:55 AM
This lad is going to be a world beater, mark my words.
Saw a great stat on Twitter, I hope it's true. Completed dribbles in the Champions League this year:
Morgan Rogers - 16
Man City - 14
That's fantastic.
Post by: tomd2103 on October 23, 2024, 12:25:43 PM
This lad is going to be a world beater, mark my words.
Saw a great stat on Twitter, I hope it's true. Completed dribbles in the Champions League this year:
Morgan Rogers - 16
Man City - 14
Yeah but it's all fluff until something happens from it. Love him but love the team more, he's a clog in the team, a beautiful one, absolutely by we need to take the next step. Admittedly it's taken us all, even Unai, by surprise, this wasn't supposed to happen until next season but as we're there, we're brilliantly developing the squad, why not follow the leader and start demanding more?
Of course I understand why, the last 20 odd years have been generally shite with the exception of getting promoted. Pearls to pigs with MON, the tool struggled to win at Villa Park, ffs. Dean restored some pride and we'll always love him for that. Unai has come in, seen his surroundings, sensed the pure love from the Villa fans (nothing like the Tarquins at Arsenal), owners who are supportive, everything clicks into place.
It will be interesting how far Morgan can grow. Right now he should count his lucky stars he's at a club like Aston Villa where as Cashy said, is on the up and with a manager that can help him develop. World beater? I'm a believer but he still has a lot to do. Right now I can't fault his attitude. I look forward to watching his development.
He's done really well, but I agree that he just needs to sharpen that end product to really take that next step.
I still maintain that if financial restrictions werent an issue and we could add a real top quality number 10 and right sided player to the current squad (say Salah and Bernado Silva), along with a RCB or RB option, we would be genuine title challengers.
A real top quality number 10? What, to rotate with Rogers?
It's a hypothetical scenario, as we can't afford it, but if you added a world class player at number 10 and out wide right at this time, I think we would be close to challenging for the title.
I'm a big fan of Morgan Rogers and he has done really well since coming to us, but he's not quite the finished article just yet. He may well be soon, given the way he is going and could be good enough to take us there in the coming seasons.
Post by: Ads on October 23, 2024, 12:52:31 PM
Post by: Ian. on October 23, 2024, 01:05:32 PM
Post by: Smithy on October 23, 2024, 01:15:17 PM
I knew he had potential, but did anyone have any inclination how good that potential was or how strong a ball runner he was going to be? He’s outrageous when he powers forward.
The strange thing is, he doesn't appear to have what you might call blistering pace, but he still regularly runs away from players. I don't know if he's just quick over the first few yards, or he gets away from them so quickly with his skills that they're constantly playing catch-up, but it's a sight to behold. If that final ball and/or shooting can improve just a little bit more, he'll be one of the best in the league, and a cert for the England squad.
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2024, 01:34:16 PM
I knew he had potential, but did anyone have any inclination how good that potential was or how strong a ball runner he was going to be? He’s outrageous when he powers forward.
The strange thing is, he doesn't appear to have what you might call blistering pace, but he still regularly runs away from players. I don't know if he's just quick over the first few yards, or he gets away from them so quickly with his skills that they're constantly playing catch-up, but it's a sight to behold. If that final ball and/or shooting can improve just a little bit more, he'll be one of the best in the league, and a cert for the England squad.
He's quicker than he looks but it's not his main trait. It's enough to buy him a yeard or two, but then it's his sheer strength and skill that gets him out of tight corners. He's either not where they thought he was going to be a split second ago, or if he is, they just bounce off him.
Not to get too carried away, but I think he's going to be our best ever player; be a mainstay of the England team and help them win the next World Cup, and be the driving force behind our Champions League and FA Cup double this year, and historic quadruple next year. :)
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 23, 2024, 01:34:53 PM
Bellingham, Foden and Palmer all score with regularity - if he changes the scoring then he is better than all of them
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2024, 01:36:26 PM
I knew he had potential, but did anyone have any inclination how good that potential was or how strong a ball runner he was going to be? He’s outrageous when he powers forward.
The strange thing is, he doesn't appear to have what you might call blistering pace, but he still regularly runs away from players. I don't know if he's just quick over the first few yards, or he gets away from them so quickly with his skills that they're constantly playing catch-up, but it's a sight to behold. If that final ball and/or shooting can improve just a little bit more, he'll be one of the best in the league, and a cert for the England squad.
He's quicker than he looks but it's not his main trait. It's enough to buy him a yeard or two, but then it's his sheer strength and skill that gets him out of tight corners. He's either not where they thought he was going to be a split second ago, or if he is, they just bounce off him.
Not to get too carried away, but I think he's going to be our best ever player; be a mainstay of the England team and help them win the next World Cup, and be the driving force behind our Champions League and FA Cup double this year, and historic quadruple next year. :)
I agree, it's important not to put too much pressure on him. I don't see him bringing about world peace and ending hunger for at least a decade or so.
Post by: trinityoap on October 23, 2024, 02:03:05 PM
Post by: eye digress on October 23, 2024, 02:11:39 PM
He's quicker than he looks but it's not his main trait. It's enough to buy him a yeard or two, but then it's his sheer strength and skill that gets him out of tight corners. He's either not where they thought he was going to be a split second ago, or if he is, they just bounce off him.Yes, it's a subtle blend of pace, close control, brawn and poise - really great changes of direction that belie his size, and he shields the ball well. Should have chipped the keeper last night like he did against Bilbao pre-season... that was a quality finish.
Post by: OCD on October 23, 2024, 03:09:47 PM
I knew he had potential, but did anyone have any inclination how good that potential was or how strong a ball runner he was going to be? He’s outrageous when he powers forward.
Emery?
Post by: LukeJames on October 23, 2024, 03:34:52 PM
Post by: eye digress on October 23, 2024, 03:46:50 PM
He really needs to get amongst the goals or assists more often. I feel for him as the 3 in front of him for EnglandThey’re not all directly comparable though, are they?
Bellingham, Foden and Palmer all score with regularity - if he changes the scoring then he is better than all of them
I mean Foden tends to play off the right, and I’m not sure that Bellingham plays best as far forward as Morgan, but more box to box.
That said, if you were grouping them together as different options for England, you’d also want to include Ramsay in that generation, as I’m sure he’d have had recognition last year had he stayed free of injury.
Post by: paul_e on October 23, 2024, 04:14:17 PM
He really needs to get amongst the goals or assists more often. I feel for him as the 3 in front of him for EnglandThey’re not all directly comparable though, are they?
Bellingham, Foden and Palmer all score with regularity - if he changes the scoring then he is better than all of them
I mean Foden tends to play off the right, and I’m not sure that Bellingham plays best as far forward as Morgan, but more box to box.
That said, if you were grouping them together as different options for England, you’d also want to include Ramsay in that generation, as I’m sure he’d have had recognition last year had he stayed free of injury.
Foden is also really poor for England and must be getting close to having had enough chances.
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2024, 04:20:09 PM
Post by: OCD on October 23, 2024, 04:21:02 PM
I don't think even Emery expected him to be at this level yet. His rise has been nothing short of phenomenal. He didn't really stand out at Boro and the majority of them seemed OK with him leaving.
Matty Cash did an interview recently where he talked about the pre-match meeting for the Middlesbrough game. He said basically the whole meeting was about Rogers. Emery obviously saw something in him that most didn't.
Post by: paul_e on October 23, 2024, 04:33:34 PM
Paul, given what we know about how England operate I presume that was some kind of joke?
True, he'll obviously end up with well over 100 caps and about 10 good performances from them but I live in hope that Tuchel might actually care about picking a functioning team rather than just going for the biggest set of names he can fit together.
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2024, 04:37:28 PM
Paul, given what we know about how England operate I presume that was some kind of joke?
True, he'll obviously end up with well over 100 caps and about 10 good performances from them but I live in hope that Tuchel might actually care about picking a functioning team rather than just going for the biggest set of names he can fit together.
Yes I guess that is the hope.
Post by: VillaTim on October 23, 2024, 05:24:13 PM
I don't think even Emery expected him to be at this level yet. His rise has been nothing short of phenomenal. He didn't really stand out at Boro and the majority of them seemed OK with him leaving.We played them in the FA Cup and i don't recall him doing anything of note. Emery / Monchi have unlocked a modern day phenomenom .
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 23, 2024, 05:37:45 PM
My take is that if Foden was playing for any one else he would not be getting anywhere near the England team. Has a few decent games get massively over hyped and is a player that few teams can accommodate.Paul, given what we know about how England operate I presume that was some kind of joke?
True, he'll obviously end up with well over 100 caps and about 10 good performances from them but I live in hope that Tuchel might actually care about picking a functioning team rather than just going for the biggest set of names he can fit together.
Post by: Dave on October 23, 2024, 05:48:43 PM
My take is that if Foden was playing for any one else he would not be getting anywhere near the England team. Has a few decent games get massively over hyped and is a player that few teams can accommodate.Paul, given what we know about how England operate I presume that was some kind of joke?
True, he'll obviously end up with well over 100 caps and about 10 good performances from them but I live in hope that Tuchel might actually care about picking a functioning team rather than just going for the biggest set of names he can fit together.
I'd bet that if he'd scored 28 goals last season and won Premier League Player of the Year for a different team instead of doing those things for Man City, he'd probably still be getting picked for England.
Post by: john2710 on October 23, 2024, 06:20:53 PM
But he also has a lot to improve on, particularly his finishing. Also, he's relatively new at this level & teams will work on how to restrict him. But there's no better manager or club where he can continue his development.
Post by: TopDeck113 on October 23, 2024, 06:37:30 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2024, 06:41:30 PM
My take is that if Foden was playing for any one else he would not be getting anywhere near the England team. Has a few decent games get massively over hyped and is a player that few teams can accommodate.Paul, given what we know about how England operate I presume that was some kind of joke?
True, he'll obviously end up with well over 100 caps and about 10 good performances from them but I live in hope that Tuchel might actually care about picking a functioning team rather than just going for the biggest set of names he can fit together.
Your take is nonsense.
Post by: AV84 on October 23, 2024, 06:54:24 PM
I don't think even Emery expected him to be at this level yet. His rise has been nothing short of phenomenal. He didn't really stand out at Boro and the majority of them seemed OK with him leaving.
Matty Cash did an interview recently where he talked about the pre-match meeting for the Middlesbrough game. He said basically the whole meeting was about Rogers. Emery obviously saw something in him that most didn't.
This could explain why, as mentioned a few posts above, a lot of people who watched that game didn't rate Rogers much. Emery identified the threat and nullified it, and then some of our players tapped the lad up. Excellent work all round.
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 23, 2024, 06:58:48 PM
That is the point, if he wasn’t playing for them he wouldn’t.My take is that if Foden was playing for any one else he would not be getting anywhere near the England team. Has a few decent games get massively over hyped and is a player that few teams can accommodate.Paul, given what we know about how England operate I presume that was some kind of joke?
True, he'll obviously end up with well over 100 caps and about 10 good performances from them but I live in hope that Tuchel might actually care about picking a functioning team rather than just going for the biggest set of names he can fit together.
I'd bet that if he'd scored 28 goals last season and won Premier League Player of the Year for a different team instead of doing those things for Man City, he'd probably still be getting picked for England.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 23, 2024, 07:14:05 PM
Post by: not3bad on October 23, 2024, 07:34:16 PM
This lad is going to be a world beater, mark my words.
Saw a great stat on Twitter, I hope it's true. Completed dribbles in the Champions League this year:
Morgan Rogers - 16
Man City - 14
Yeah but it's all fluff until something happens from it. Love him but love the team more, he's a clog in the team, a beautiful one, absolutely by we need to take the next step. Admittedly it's taken us all, even Unai, by surprise, this wasn't supposed to happen until next season but as we're there, we're brilliantly developing the squad, why not follow the leader and start demanding more?
Of course I understand why, the last 20 odd years have been generally shite with the exception of getting promoted. Pearls to pigs with MON, the tool struggled to win at Villa Park, ffs. Dean restored some pride and we'll always love him for that. Unai has come in, seen his surroundings, sensed the pure love from the Villa fans (nothing like the Tarquins at Arsenal), owners who are supportive, everything clicks into place.
It will be interesting how far Morgan can grow. Right now he should count his lucky stars he's at a club like Aston Villa where as Cashy said, is on the up and with a manager that can help him develop. World beater? I'm a believer but he still has a lot to do. Right now I can't fault his attitude. I look forward to watching his development.
He's done really well, but I agree that he just needs to sharpen that end product to really take that next step.
I still maintain that if financial restrictions werent an issue and we could add a real top quality number 10 and right sided player to the current squad (say Salah and Bernado Silva), along with a RCB or RB option, we would be genuine title challengers.
A real top quality number 10? What, to rotate with Rogers?
It's a hypothetical scenario, as we can't afford it, but if you added a world class player at number 10 and out wide right at this time, I think we would be close to challenging for the title.
I'm a big fan of Morgan Rogers and he has done really well since coming to us, but he's not quite the finished article just yet. He may well be soon, given the way he is going and could be good enough to take us there in the coming seasons.
I'd say considering Rogers only joined in January of this year he's developing plenty fast enough. Who could have predicted he'd already be one of the first names on the team sheet?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 23, 2024, 07:40:59 PM
That is the point, if he wasn’t playing for them he wouldn’t.My take is that if Foden was playing for any one else he would not be getting anywhere near the England team. Has a few decent games get massively over hyped and is a player that few teams can accommodate.Paul, given what we know about how England operate I presume that was some kind of joke?
True, he'll obviously end up with well over 100 caps and about 10 good performances from them but I live in hope that Tuchel might actually care about picking a functioning team rather than just going for the biggest set of names he can fit together.
I'd bet that if he'd scored 28 goals last season and won Premier League Player of the Year for a different team instead of doing those things for Man City, he'd probably still be getting picked for England.
Errr?
Post by: OCD on October 23, 2024, 07:55:13 PM
He's delivered far more than anyone, probably including Emery, could have ever predicted. At times he looks unstoppable & the comparison is with Dalian Atkinson aren't far off the mark.
But he also has a lot to improve on, particularly his finishing. Also, he's relatively new at this level & teams will work on how to restrict him. But there's no better manager or club where he can continue his development.
Makes you wonder how high his ceiling of his development is though. He already seems to have become a key player.
Post by: paul_e on October 23, 2024, 10:48:02 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 23, 2024, 10:48:36 PM
That is the point, if he wasn’t playing for them he wouldn’t.
Errr?
I think the really clumsy point is he wouldn't be getting 28 goals and being voted player of the season if he was at another club because the rest of the side must be carrying him to that level. But he does stand out there sometimes in more ways then say Grealish does who in theory is playing the opposite side. I expect some of his poorness for England IS down to them playing differently to City, but the same could be stated for some of our players who might get called up as well.
Post by: tomd2103 on October 24, 2024, 08:38:05 AM
This lad is going to be a world beater, mark my words.
Saw a great stat on Twitter, I hope it's true. Completed dribbles in the Champions League this year:
Morgan Rogers - 16
Man City - 14
Yeah but it's all fluff until something happens from it. Love him but love the team more, he's a clog in the team, a beautiful one, absolutely by we need to take the next step. Admittedly it's taken us all, even Unai, by surprise, this wasn't supposed to happen until next season but as we're there, we're brilliantly developing the squad, why not follow the leader and start demanding more?
Of course I understand why, the last 20 odd years have been generally shite with the exception of getting promoted. Pearls to pigs with MON, the tool struggled to win at Villa Park, ffs. Dean restored some pride and we'll always love him for that. Unai has come in, seen his surroundings, sensed the pure love from the Villa fans (nothing like the Tarquins at Arsenal), owners who are supportive, everything clicks into place.
It will be interesting how far Morgan can grow. Right now he should count his lucky stars he's at a club like Aston Villa where as Cashy said, is on the up and with a manager that can help him develop. World beater? I'm a believer but he still has a lot to do. Right now I can't fault his attitude. I look forward to watching his development.
He's done really well, but I agree that he just needs to sharpen that end product to really take that next step.
I still maintain that if financial restrictions werent an issue and we could add a real top quality number 10 and right sided player to the current squad (say Salah and Bernado Silva), along with a RCB or RB option, we would be genuine title challengers.
A real top quality number 10? What, to rotate with Rogers?
It's a hypothetical scenario, as we can't afford it, but if you added a world class player at number 10 and out wide right at this time, I think we would be close to challenging for the title.
I'm a big fan of Morgan Rogers and he has done really well since coming to us, but he's not quite the finished article just yet. He may well be soon, given the way he is going and could be good enough to take us there in the coming seasons.
I'd say considering Rogers only joined in January of this year he's developing plenty fast enough. Who could have predicted he'd already be one of the first names on the team sheet?
Oh I agree. It's been a meteoric rise really. He's a great player to watch and brings some real excitement to games.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on October 24, 2024, 08:44:25 AM
And now we do too!!!
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 24, 2024, 09:32:16 AM
Post by: kipeye on October 24, 2024, 09:52:12 AM
What he has fast become is a very unique bustling pocket player that combines skill with great strength. You could put him anywhere on the pitch and he is likely to cause mayhem. Morgan and Captain Chaos make an unbelievable pair to bring nightmares to absolutely any defender.
Bulldozers with skill are very rare, we have two of them.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 24, 2024, 10:08:10 AM
Post by: olaftab on October 24, 2024, 10:51:31 AM
I think he's been a better signing than Ross McCormack and I'll happily fight anyone who says otherwise.Very very marginal but I will go with you and also because if you set about me I can't jump over the gate and escape. .
Post by: olaftab on October 24, 2024, 10:54:37 AM
I knew he had potential, but did anyone have any inclination how good that potential was or how strong a ball runner he was going to be? He’s outrageous when he powers forward.Well Ian none of us shire idiots did but The MAN who knows did and there we are.
Post by: kipeye on October 24, 2024, 11:31:26 AM
"Bulldozers with skill" is my go-to search term for pornography.As long as they're good in different positions...
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2024, 11:41:12 AM
I note the kid from Stourbridge hasn't scored yet, so even if the kid from Cradley Heath should have bagged 4 or 5 more, his shooting boots appear a bit more accurate.
Quite a bit of talent on that no9 bus route.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 24, 2024, 11:51:38 AM
Is Bellingham better and if so, in what way?
I note the kid from Stourbridge hasn't scored yet, so even if the kid from Cradley Heath should have bagged 4 or 5 more, his shooting boots appear a bit more accurate.
Quite a bit of talent on that no9 bus route.
He is playing more as a Rice / Onana type midfielder at the moment then a Palmer / Rogers. Still might have scored but when you have Mbappe / Vini Jr / Rodrygo up front, I doubt they would be looking at others rather then shooting themselves. This is not a statement that Bellingham is better then Rogers, just that for his club he has vacated the 10 role, and he should also for England which frees up a battle with Palmer or Foden for Rogers in the front.
Post by: Accent Guy on October 24, 2024, 04:28:24 PM
Is Bellingham better and if so, in what way?
Yes. Bellingham is a phenomenal player and will win the Balon D'or sooner or later. He makes that Real Madrid side tick and that is some achievement for any player, never mind for a lad so young.
If Rogers develops into anything like as good as him then we will have quite the player.
I think some people are getting ahead of themselves amongst the excitement. Let's let him develop and see what happens but comparisons to the best players in the world only serve to put more pressure on him.
Very good player mind, and I look forward to seeing him grow.
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2024, 04:36:26 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 24, 2024, 04:38:45 PM
He made a good move (to Dortmund) and it's elevated his status. Yes, he hit the ground running last season and I'm not trying to claim he's shit, but he can't move with the ball like Rogers.
I know who I'd rather have.
Post by: Smirker on October 24, 2024, 04:38:58 PM
OK. In that ways is he better?
He's had about half a good season for us.
Outrageous to compare him to Bellingham.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 24, 2024, 04:40:10 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 24, 2024, 04:41:11 PM
OK. In that ways is he better?
He's had about half a good season for us.
Outrageous to compare him to Bellingham.
Exactly, Bellingham has only played in farmer's leagues.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 24, 2024, 04:42:19 PM
Seriously though i reckon our Morgan is catching up with him all the time, and a comparison isn't ridiculous.
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2024, 06:04:32 PM
OK. In that ways is he better?
He's had about half a good season for us.
Outrageous to compare him to Bellingham.
What should we compare with Bellingham or what should we unfavourably compare Bellingham with Rogers? Worth a 4th time of asking the question I suppose.
Post by: nick harper on October 24, 2024, 06:26:33 PM
OK. In that ways is he better?
He's had about half a good season for us.
Outrageous to compare him to Bellingham.
What should we compare with Bellingham or what should we unfavourably compare Bellingham with Rogers? Worth a 4th time of asking the question I suppose.
In my opinion he’s a better goalscorer/finisher and his final pass is better, but he’s been playing the highest level of football since he was 17. Rogers is developing very fast though, similar to how Bellingham seemed to accelerate when he went to Dortmund
Post by: john e on October 24, 2024, 06:29:29 PM
a poor man’s Jlloyd Samuel (God rest his soul)
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2024, 08:18:08 PM
Post by: VillaTim on October 24, 2024, 08:21:52 PM
Bellingham is overhyped shite nothing moreTotally overhyped, his performances are going backwards now and he also seems a detestable arrogant cock.
a poor man’s Jlloyd Samuel (God rest his soul)
Post by: Rigadon on October 24, 2024, 09:18:45 PM
Post by: Rigadon on October 24, 2024, 09:20:33 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 24, 2024, 09:27:32 PM
The ceiling for Morgan Rogers is as high as is gets if he stays injury free. I honestly wouldn't swap him for Bellingham.
Swap, no money?
I would! Let’s not kid ourselves, he IS amazing but Bellingham has done it at a much higher level and for longer.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 24, 2024, 09:28:42 PM
Post by: Accent Guy on October 24, 2024, 10:20:41 PM
I think Rogers is fantastic and has an incredibly high ceiling, his rate of development is astonishing. But this level has been developing over 6 months or so, at the very least Bellingham has done similar for longer and if you were impartial you might argue at a higher level.
Yep, one might say that winning the Champions League and reaching the Euro 2024 final within the space of a month is a higher level than Morgan has reached so far. Not to mention bossing the Bundesliga as a teenager.
But only if you were impartial of course.
Post by: olaftab on October 24, 2024, 10:31:17 PM
Post by: john e on October 24, 2024, 10:39:11 PM
The ceiling for Morgan Rogers is as high as is gets if he stays injury free. I honestly wouldn't swap him for Bellingham.
Swap, no money?
I would! Let’s not kid ourselves, he IS amazing but Bellingham has done it at a much higher level and for longer.
I wouldn’t swap him for Dendonker
Post by: VillaTim on October 24, 2024, 11:37:15 PM
The ceiling for Morgan Rogers is as high as is gets if he stays injury free. I honestly wouldn't swap him for Bellingham.100% agree .
Post by: Ads on October 24, 2024, 11:47:14 PM
I just don't think there's anything at 10 he does particularly any better than Rogers, whose playing now at a similar level as Bellingham was at Dortmund. Although in a League that's tougher. I don't think there's anybody outside of the All Blacks who carries a ball with quite such destructive force as Rogers.
Post by: Risso on October 25, 2024, 08:47:57 AM
I don't think there's anybody outside of the All Blacks who carries a ball with quite such destructive force as Rogers.
You haven't met my three year old.
Post by: JD on October 25, 2024, 09:43:58 AM
I don't think there's anybody outside of the All Blacks who carries a ball with quite such destructive force as Rogers.
You haven't met my three year old.
The All Blacks are rubbish, can't catch a ball let alone run with it.
Post by: Rigadon on October 25, 2024, 10:03:26 AM
The ceiling for Morgan Rogers is as high as is gets if he stays injury free. I honestly wouldn't swap him for Bellingham.
Swap, no money?
I would! Let’s not kid ourselves, he IS amazing but Bellingham has done it at a much higher level and for longer.
I know it sounds a bit OTT, but I do genuinely think Rogers will reach the heights and he is something a nit different to everyone else in that position.
Post by: itbrvilla on October 25, 2024, 06:55:18 PM
Post by: Lsvilla on October 25, 2024, 07:22:36 PM
https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1753376717442539626/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1753376717442539626¤tTweetUser=secondtierpodBetter than Partidge or Gervais.
Post by: Lsvilla on October 25, 2024, 07:26:43 PM
https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1753376717442539626/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1753376717442539626¤tTweetUser=secondtierpodBetter than Partridge or Gervais.
Post by: Border villan on October 25, 2024, 07:28:34 PM
https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1753376717442539626/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1753376717442539626¤tTweetUser=secondtierpodBetter than Partridge or Gervais.
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Post by: itbrvilla on October 25, 2024, 08:00:23 PM
Fixed it.https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1753376717442539626/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1753376717442539626¤tTweetUser=secondtierpodBetter than Partridge or Gervais.
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Post by: Border villan on October 25, 2024, 08:03:19 PM
Fixed it.https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1753376717442539626/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1753376717442539626¤tTweetUser=secondtierpodBetter than Partridge or Gervais.
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Not for me.
Post by: itbrvilla on October 25, 2024, 08:04:52 PM
https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1753376717442539626?lang=en-GBFixed it.https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1753376717442539626/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1753376717442539626¤tTweetUser=secondtierpodBetter than Partridge or Gervais.
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Not for me.
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 25, 2024, 08:06:22 PM
Post by: Border villan on October 25, 2024, 08:12:19 PM
https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1753376717442539626?lang=en-GBFixed it.https://x.com/secondtierpod/status/1753376717442539626/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1753376717442539626¤tTweetUser=secondtierpodBetter than Partridge or Gervais.
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Not for me.
Cheers, working now.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on October 25, 2024, 08:40:57 PM
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 29, 2024, 12:21:51 PM
Bournemouth doubled up on Morgan most times he got the ball but at least this gave Jake a bit more room.
Very true. We have to remember this, there may be times where Morgan looks a bit quieter or not as productive as he can be but what he'll be doing is pulling opposing players to him like a magnet and pulling them away from our other forwards, so the team benefits anyway.
Post by: London Villan on October 29, 2024, 12:27:32 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 29, 2024, 12:33:31 PM
That's true but on Saturday most of time the two opposition players around him came away with the ball.Bournemouth doubled up on Morgan most times he got the ball but at least this gave Jake a bit more room.
Very true. We have to remember this, there may be times where Morgan looks a bit quieter or not as productive as he can be but what he'll be doing is pulling opposing players to him like a magnet and pulling them away from our other forwards, so the team benefits anyway.
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on October 29, 2024, 02:07:56 PM
I'm sure Unai Emery and his staff will be well aware of this.Bournemouth doubled up on Morgan most times he got the ball but at least this gave Jake a bit more room.
Very true. We have to remember this, there may be times where Morgan looks a bit quieter or not as productive as he can be but what he'll be doing is pulling opposing players to him like a magnet and pulling them away from our other forwards, so the team benefits anyway.
On Saturday, Bournemouth looked to 'double up' on Rogers when he got on the ball. In a few games last seasons the opposition had someone 'sit' on Luiz in the hope of stopping us play, i.e., making it less likely he would receive the ball - and short-term it worked until either alternative instructions were passed to the players or they worked it out for themselves. UTV
Post by: Tuscans on October 31, 2024, 05:34:04 PM
@TheAthleticFC
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2024, 07:00:51 PM
Morgan Rogers is in talks to sign a contract extension at #AVFC. Rogers signed a long-term deal in January but club are keen to bring Rogers’ salary in line with team-mates and reflect his standing as a key part of Emery’s side. Story
@TheAthleticFC
Excellent.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 31, 2024, 07:27:41 PM
Post by: john2710 on October 31, 2024, 07:44:10 PM
But his finishing, especially on his weaker foot, needs to improve a lot. There has to be an end product to the good work he does & I'm sure Emery will be working on it.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 31, 2024, 08:17:29 PM
Good news but i hope he doesnt go the bailey way after he signed his 😂
It’s not like you to be unrelentingly negative.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 31, 2024, 08:20:28 PM
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Post by: purpletrousers on November 11, 2024, 10:37:06 PM
Called up to England squad. Hopefully that boosts him a bit.
Yep given he was going away with England (U21s) anyway, I’d hope this might be a good boost for him at a time it feels he needs a freshen up somehow, my first thought was hopefully it’ll do just that to be with with the big boys, even if he sees no action.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on November 11, 2024, 10:39:49 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2024, 12:13:26 AM
Would that take us up to 78? (I’m guessing).
Jacob Ramsey the only other real possibility for the next one, though his position is stacked.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 12, 2024, 01:11:05 AM
http://www.englandfootballonline.com/teamclubs/MostPlyrs.html
Post by: jwarry on November 12, 2024, 04:30:50 AM
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Post by: Dave on November 12, 2024, 09:35:11 AM
Great he's been called up but its due largely to Arsenal Chelsea Liverpool and C115y strategically withdrawing their players from the squad , meanwhile we have Rogers Watkins Konsa all off on another meaningless trip with England rather than working on stuff at Bodymoor . Happy for Rogers though
Rogers would be off with the under-21s anyway if he weren't with the senior squad.
Post by: VillaTim on November 12, 2024, 09:38:50 AM
yeah true, unless the club made him unavailable which is what the others have done with the likes of Saka Rice Foden Grealish Colwill Palmer ArnoldGreat he's been called up but its due largely to Arsenal Chelsea Liverpool and C115y strategically withdrawing their players from the squad , meanwhile we have Rogers Watkins Konsa all off on another meaningless trip with England rather than working on stuff at Bodymoor . Happy for Rogers though
Rogers would be off with the under-21s anyway if he weren't with the senior squad.
Post by: Ads on November 12, 2024, 09:43:44 AM
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Post by: Dave on November 12, 2024, 09:48:37 AM
yeah true, unless the club made him unavailable which is what the others have done with the likes of Saka Rice Foden Grealish Colwill Palmer ArnoldGreat he's been called up but its due largely to Arsenal Chelsea Liverpool and C115y strategically withdrawing their players from the squad , meanwhile we have Rogers Watkins Konsa all off on another meaningless trip with England rather than working on stuff at Bodymoor . Happy for Rogers though
Rogers would be off with the under-21s anyway if he weren't with the senior squad.
Why would we make him unavailable? He's not injured. Grealish has missed the last six Man City matches, injured. Alexander-Arnold went off injured in the first half of the match we played against him three days ago. Declan Rice currently has a broken toe.
I'm quite happy to accept that there might be a bit of jiggery-pokery going on with the others, but it's quite obviously not a list of equivalent situations.
Post by: OCD on November 13, 2024, 11:45:44 AM
yeah true, unless the club made him unavailable which is what the others have done with the likes of Saka Rice Foden Grealish Colwill Palmer ArnoldGreat he's been called up but its due largely to Arsenal Chelsea Liverpool and C115y strategically withdrawing their players from the squad , meanwhile we have Rogers Watkins Konsa all off on another meaningless trip with England rather than working on stuff at Bodymoor . Happy for Rogers though
Rogers would be off with the under-21s anyway if he weren't with the senior squad.
And like we've effectively done with Tielemans.
Post by: VillaTim on November 13, 2024, 12:41:50 PM
exactly, some of these players need a rest / reset with their clubs not meaningless international travel / games / sat on a benchyeah true, unless the club made him unavailable which is what the others have done with the likes of Saka Rice Foden Grealish Colwill Palmer ArnoldGreat he's been called up but its due largely to Arsenal Chelsea Liverpool and C115y strategically withdrawing their players from the squad , meanwhile we have Rogers Watkins Konsa all off on another meaningless trip with England rather than working on stuff at Bodymoor . Happy for Rogers though
Rogers would be off with the under-21s anyway if he weren't with the senior squad.
And like we've effectively done with Tielemans.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 14, 2024, 06:41:26 PM
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Post by: Olneythelonely on November 15, 2024, 08:35:44 AM
Yeah, I though that too and also thought he never wasted a ball so hopefully he brings that confidence back with him to VP.
He ran into a blind alley at one stage. Which he is capable of. But otherwise thought he did well in his cameo.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 15, 2024, 08:39:07 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on November 15, 2024, 08:45:27 AM
Not even a sniff of a mention of Morgan's perfect reverse ball that set Bellingham free for the second goal.It was mentioned on the BBC live text during the game.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 15, 2024, 08:47:41 AM
Not even a sniff of a mention of Morgan's perfect reverse ball that set Bellingham free for the second goal.It was mentioned on the BBC live text during the game.
Yep, almost all the commentators and actual live text was all Bellingham, but at least one commentator was quoted as stating Bellingham will get all the plaudits but we shouldn't be ignoring Morgans pass to him either.
Edit: Leon Osman apparently.
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'Credit to Bellingham, even better from Rogers'
Greece 0-2 England
Leon Osman
Former Everton and England midfielder on BBC Radio 5 Live
It will go down as an own goal, as it came back off the post and then went in off the goalkeeper as he made the dive. Credit to Jude Bellingham, it was even better play from Morgan Rogers to play the ball around the corner for him. The defenders split and it opened up for Bellingham to hit.
Post by: darren woolley on November 15, 2024, 08:54:17 AM
Post by: dave shelley on November 15, 2024, 09:36:58 AM
Post by: Dave P on November 15, 2024, 12:42:28 PM
This lad is going to play for England in the next 12 months. There, I’ve said it.
This is one prediction I got right.
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 15, 2024, 01:21:01 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 15, 2024, 01:30:33 PM
Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
Post by: LeeS on November 15, 2024, 03:27:02 PM
Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
What? Like Prince Charles and stuff?
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2024, 03:45:09 PM
Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
They had an interesting guest on yesterday on the afternoon show, talking about food in and around football grounds. The Barton's got quite a long mention, and the guest (didn't catch the name) seemed well-informed, mentioning the tiles, Laurel and Hardy and Thai food.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 15, 2024, 03:47:30 PM
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2024, 03:51:06 PM
The Hawksbee & Jacobs slot? Yes, they and Max Rushden are the only non-moron people on that station as far as I'm aware.
Yes indeed, they're wasted on there. Anyway it was an interesting few minutes, as it went beyond "great pies at Rochdale" type reporting.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 15, 2024, 04:11:27 PM
The Hawksbee & Jacobs slot? Yes, they and Max Rushden are the only non-moron people on that station as far as I'm aware.
Yes indeed, they're wasted on there. Anyway it was an interesting few minutes, as it went beyond "great pies at Rochdale" type reporting.
Isn't that what their target base are interested in? I can't see White Van man being that interested in which Lychees are best in a Thai Red Curry Duck.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 15, 2024, 07:22:54 PM
The Hawksbee & Jacobs slot? Yes, they and Max Rushden are the only non-moron people on that station as far as I'm aware.
Yes indeed, they're wasted on there. Anyway it was an interesting few minutes, as it went beyond "great pies at Rochdale" type reporting.
Isn't that what their target base are interested in? I can't see White Van man being that interested in which Lychees are best in a Thai Red Curry Duck.
They need something to punctuate the Selco adverts.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 15, 2024, 07:32:41 PM
Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
They had an interesting guest on yesterday on the afternoon show, talking about food in and around football grounds. The Barton's got quite a long mention, and the guest (didn't catch the name) seemed well-informed, mentioning the tiles, Laurel and Hardy and Thai food.
Adam Lambert?
Post by: OCD on November 15, 2024, 08:02:04 PM
Post by: Risso on November 15, 2024, 08:58:27 PM
Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
They had an interesting guest on yesterday on the afternoon show, talking about food in and around football grounds. The Barton's got quite a long mention, and the guest (didn't catch the name) seemed well-informed, mentioning the tiles, Laurel and Hardy and Thai food.
Adam Lambert?
Just googled it, it was Adam Richman, of Man vs Food fame.
Post by: Tuscans on November 15, 2024, 10:14:30 PM
Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
They had an interesting guest on yesterday on the afternoon show, talking about food in and around football grounds. The Barton's got quite a long mention, and the guest (didn't catch the name) seemed well-informed, mentioning the tiles, Laurel and Hardy and Thai food.
Adam Lambert?
Definitely Adam Lambert I reckon.Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
They had an interesting guest on yesterday on the afternoon show, talking about food in and around football grounds. The Barton's got quite a long mention, and the guest (didn't catch the name) seemed well-informed, mentioning the tiles, Laurel and Hardy and Thai food.
Adam Lambert?
Just googled it, it was Adam Richman, of Man vs Food fame.
(https://kitkat.club/content/uploads/2024/07/adam-lambert-677x727.jpg.webp)
Post by: Somniloquism on November 15, 2024, 10:21:29 PM
Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
They had an interesting guest on yesterday on the afternoon show, talking about food in and around football grounds. The Barton's got quite a long mention, and the guest (didn't catch the name) seemed well-informed, mentioning the tiles, Laurel and Hardy and Thai food.
Do they still concentrate on the Thai food since the reopen?
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 16, 2024, 12:57:42 AM
Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
They had an interesting guest on yesterday on the afternoon show, talking about food in and around football grounds. The Barton's got quite a long mention, and the guest (didn't catch the name) seemed well-informed, mentioning the tiles, Laurel and Hardy and Thai food.
Do they still concentrate on the Thai food since the reopen?
It was awful when I went a few weeks ago, the food as not cooked/ reheated properly.
The beer selection not good either.
Post by: Martyn Smith on November 16, 2024, 08:07:00 AM
Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
They had an interesting guest on yesterday on the afternoon show, talking about food in and around football grounds. The Barton's got quite a long mention, and the guest (didn't catch the name) seemed well-informed, mentioning the tiles, Laurel and Hardy and Thai food.
Adam Lambert?
Just googled it, it was Adam Richman, of Man vs Food fame.
Eurgh, he was a guest on the Liverpool v Villa TNT coverage for some reason...appropriate in one way to have someone who gorges themself for a living involved in a modern football programme
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 16, 2024, 10:14:48 AM
The beer selection is poor but as I mainly drink Lager after a game it doesn’t really bother me. The Ale drinkers are not impressed. Haven’t tried the food but am getting mixed reports. I want the place to succeed but it needs to up its game.Listening to Talksport this morning with Gobby on it, think he mentioned about Watkins scoring and the other twat said it only Greece we should be beating them, If it was Harry, well you know the rest
With all due respect, listening to TalkSport and complaining about the quality of the content is like going to see Queen and moaning that you're surrounded by twats.
They had an interesting guest on yesterday on the afternoon show, talking about food in and around football grounds. The Barton's got quite a long mention, and the guest (didn't catch the name) seemed well-informed, mentioning the tiles, Laurel and Hardy and Thai food.
Do they still concentrate on the Thai food since the reopen?
It was awful when I went a few weeks ago, the food as not cooked/ reheated properly.
The beer selection not good either.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 16, 2024, 08:17:01 PM
The beer selection is poor but as I mainly drink Lager after a game it doesn’t really bother me.
That's right up there with hearing (a few) of the pioneers of House music had been influenced by Depeche fuckin Mode!
Post by: LeeB on November 18, 2024, 04:47:59 PM
The beer selection is poor but as I mainly drink Lager after a game it doesn’t really bother me.
That's right up there with hearing (a few) of the pioneers of House music had been influenced by Depeche fuckin Mode!
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Post by: Dave on November 19, 2024, 09:38:28 AM
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Aston Villa is delighted to announce that Morgan Rogers has signed a new contract with the club.
The attacking midfielder has agreed a deal that will keep him at Villa Park until 2030.
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Well-earned
Post by: Risso on November 19, 2024, 09:47:14 AM
The lad has got an insane amount of talent, and I look forward to seeing him develop and become more consistent with it. There was one bit in the England game on Sunday where he stopped a ball dead from a looping cross, Maradonna style, with the outside of his boot, before getting in a good pass into the six yard box. Brilliant bit of skill.
Post by: DB on November 19, 2024, 10:14:06 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 19, 2024, 10:25:06 AM
This is great news, the rate he is progressing is scary. What a signing.
Yup, it's his first full season in the PL so there'll be blips along the way way but this is excellent news.
Post by: Villa Lew on November 19, 2024, 10:37:52 AM
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Post by: OCD on November 19, 2024, 08:45:09 PM
Very good news, I think that's pretty much all of our key players with newish contracts now.
I'm waiting on us to extend Kamara's contract.
Post by: Mister E on November 19, 2024, 09:32:20 PM
Very good news, I think that's pretty much all of our key players with newish contracts now.That explains the general downturn in form then ...
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 19, 2024, 09:34:23 PM
An extremely talented player who will only get better.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 19, 2024, 10:05:30 PM
Very good news, I think that's pretty much all of our key players with newish contracts now.
I'm waiting on us to extend Kamara's contract.
Yup me too.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 23, 2024, 06:50:07 PM
Poor today
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 23, 2024, 10:23:52 PM
A lot of what he does flatters to deceive because there is lack of end product.
A huge talent but not delivering where and when it matters.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 23, 2024, 11:23:49 PM
Or playing through a tough patch. It’s notable he was more effective for England, suggests to me he’s suffering from the same lack of structure, support from midfield that’s knackering the whole team.
He's struggled a bit for a few games now. Been caught on the ball and given it away too many times in games. Sure it is just a bit of a rough patch.
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Post by: Risso on November 28, 2024, 09:20:35 AM
A few weeks ago he was interviewed and said how Unai gives him the confidence and permission to "try things" in the final third. The fact is, they're not coming off for him right now. He's not become a bad player, he's just not quite clicking like he did. But he was still a dodgy call from scoring the winner last night. I'm not sure we have a decent alternative on the bench without changing the way we play, but he could definitely do with some rotation.
Possibly when Onana is fit again, Emery could play Tielemans further forward like he did last season a few times. The only real alternative is Bailey, but his form has been even worse, and that bad form has gone on for a lot longer.
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2024, 09:25:08 AM
A few weeks ago he was interviewed and said how Unai gives him the confidence and permission to "try things" in the final third. The fact is, they're not coming off for him right now. He's not become a bad player, he's just not quite clicking like he did. But he was still a dodgy call from scoring the winner last night. I'm not sure we have a decent alternative on the bench without changing the way we play, but he could definitely do with some rotation.
Possibly when Onana is fit again, Emery could play Tielemans further forward like he did last season a few times. The only real alternative is Bailey, but his form has been even worse, and that bad form has gone on for a lot longer.
I think Tielemans further forward, in front of Onana and Kamara is our best short term plan, but we're hardly going to burn teams on the counter with pace, ae we? I think we really need to add more pace to our forward options and we need more options full stop.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2024, 09:34:48 AM
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Post by: Risso on November 28, 2024, 09:47:36 AM
I think Tielemans further forward, in front of Onana and Kamara is our best short term plan, but we're hardly going to burn teams on the counter with pace, ae we? I think we really need to add more pace to our forward options and we need more options full stop.
Yes, we're incredibly one paced and that fact that the likes of Bailey will play it backwards more than he takes people on makes it easy for teams to get people back in numbers. As you said in the transfer thread, somebody with genuine pace should be a priority in the January window.
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2024, 09:50:02 AM
A few weeks ago he was interviewed and said how Unai gives him the confidence and permission to "try things" in the final third. The fact is, they're not coming off for him right now. He's not become a bad player, he's just not quite clicking like he did. But he was still a dodgy call from scoring the winner last night. I'm not sure we have a decent alternative on the bench without changing the way we play, but he could definitely do with some rotation.
Possibly when Onana is fit again, Emery could play Tielemans further forward like he did last season a few times. The only real alternative is Bailey, but his form has been even worse, and that bad form has gone on for a lot longer.
I think Tielemans further forward, in front of Onana and Kamara is our best short term plan, but we're hardly going to burn teams on the counter with pace, ae we? I think we really need to add more pace to our forward options and we need more options full stop.
Finances may dictate that we can't, but I still think we could do with adding a top class number 10 and wide player if we are going to progress into the top reaches of the league again.
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2024, 10:00:16 AM
A few weeks ago he was interviewed and said how Unai gives him the confidence and permission to "try things" in the final third. The fact is, they're not coming off for him right now. He's not become a bad player, he's just not quite clicking like he did. But he was still a dodgy call from scoring the winner last night. I'm not sure we have a decent alternative on the bench without changing the way we play, but he could definitely do with some rotation.
Possibly when Onana is fit again, Emery could play Tielemans further forward like he did last season a few times. The only real alternative is Bailey, but his form has been even worse, and that bad form has gone on for a lot longer.
I think Tielemans further forward, in front of Onana and Kamara is our best short term plan, but we're hardly going to burn teams on the counter with pace, ae we? I think we really need to add more pace to our forward options and we need more options full stop.
Finances may dictate that we can't, but I still think we could do with adding a top class number 10 and wide player if we are going to progress into the top reaches of the league again.
I feel that when looking around at the other teams in the top half that we're competing with we're well short on forward options and pace in comparison.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 28, 2024, 11:04:56 AM
Post by: VillaTim on November 28, 2024, 11:10:35 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 28, 2024, 11:10:47 AM
He has to stop playing the first pass he sees. It is usually the pass that the defender sees and wants him to make.
this. He does it too much . Keeps breaking up the attacks. Like posters have said , just a shame JJ is out as we would have won last night with JJ in the squad.
Post by: Tuscans on November 28, 2024, 11:12:22 AM
He has to stop playing the first pass he sees. It is usually the pass that the defender sees and wants him to make.This. Also to stop turning into the opposition thinking his size and strength will come up trumps every time. I'm not buying into the tired shite. He's young, fit and just come off a 2 week international break where he hardly kicked a ball...it's confidence.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 28, 2024, 11:12:35 AM
He does need a break from the team I think, but there is not option but to play him at the moment.
The options aren't great with Diaby not replaced and Ramsey yet again injured.
A possibility for weekend is Onana may be back so we have him and Kamara as the pivot and then Tielemans might be pushed into Rogers position. SJM also played there in the past for us. Or just start Barkley.
Rogers could do with a breather as he's just lost form and confidence, it happens.
Post by: LeeB on November 28, 2024, 11:27:21 AM
He has to stop playing the first pass he sees. It is usually the pass that the defender sees and wants him to make.This. Also to stop turning into the opposition thinking his size and strength will come up trumps every time. I'm not buying into the tired shite. He's young, fit and just come off a 2 week international break where he hardly kicked a ball...it's confidence.
Could be a bit of mental fatigue too, a lot has changed for him in an incredibly short space of time.
Post by: aj2k77 on November 28, 2024, 11:45:58 AM
Post by: paul_e on November 28, 2024, 12:06:46 PM
He has to stop playing the first pass he sees. It is usually the pass that the defender sees and wants him to make.This. Also to stop turning into the opposition thinking his size and strength will come up trumps every time. I'm not buying into the tired shite. He's young, fit and just come off a 2 week international break where he hardly kicked a ball...it's confidence.
Fatigue isn't just physical, there's massive mental aspects as well and being young and fit does nothing to help with that.
This is a lad who, 10months ago, was being told he was added to the squad to be slowly eased in and ended up with a roy of the rovers style rise to getting his first England cap this month. I can forgive him for being a bit off right now.
Post by: itbrvilla on November 28, 2024, 12:10:31 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 28, 2024, 12:22:33 PM
Post by: simon ward 50 on November 28, 2024, 12:23:58 PM
Post by: London Villan on November 28, 2024, 12:30:49 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on November 28, 2024, 12:45:48 PM
And his reverse pass into Youri, who then hit a poor shot straight at the keeper, was Sid like. Cant give him higher praise.
A conunderum.
Post by: Risso on November 28, 2024, 01:22:51 PM
Post by: DB on November 28, 2024, 02:59:26 PM
If Emery is prepared to play Bailey all season, despite Leon doing the square root of fuck all 95% of the time, I can't see him dropping Morgan any time soon. Even when he's below par as he has been for a few games now, he's still our second most likely source of a goal from the players who start games.
Bailey was poor again, ok he got involved but was awful. He is only one with pace, so I guess that’s why he is still in the team. I just’t don’t think he’s good enough.
Hopefully in Jan we will be in for someone as an upgrade.
Post by: brontebilly on November 28, 2024, 03:01:21 PM
If Emery is prepared to play Bailey all season, despite Leon doing the square root of fuck all 95% of the time, I can't see him dropping Morgan any time soon. Even when he's below par as he has been for a few games now, he's still our second most likely source of a goal from the players who start games.
Thought Bailey was decent enough last night. Put that chance on a plate for McGinn. Kept trying to do the right thing anyway. Difficult with Cash never going on the overlap outside him. Maybe if/when Kamara and Ramsey get fully fit we will be able to release the full backs more.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 28, 2024, 03:23:39 PM
Needs a rest doesn't he?
Looked and played like he has the flu. That said he hasn't been right all month.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 28, 2024, 05:12:39 PM
Rogers needs resting.
Post by: LeonW on November 29, 2024, 02:00:07 AM
Post by: ROBBO on November 29, 2024, 05:00:59 AM
Post by: eye digress on November 29, 2024, 07:27:24 AM
Post by: Accent Guy on November 29, 2024, 05:18:11 PM
Rodgers needs a spell out.
I don't know about that, he is doing fine since returning to Celtic.
Post by: eamonn on December 04, 2024, 02:57:23 PM
Quote
Morgan, his qualities are very important for us," Emery admitted. "He can play left side, a number 10 inside. Of course, after Ramsey’s injury, we need to add some players performing in the same way like Ramsey and Morgan.
"The next one is Emi Buendia. He is progressively getting better after being out for a long time injured. He is working every day. The process he is doing, he is close to being completely comfortable to play in everything.
"In case Morgan Rogers is getting or needing some change [rest], we have to try and use Emi Buendia and try to get from him the performances we need. We are trying it in the training sessions and we are giving him minutes in matches.
"We have ways to try and replace him [Rogers], but at the moment he can feel tired, but he has to rest and he has to sleep very well! He has to eat good food and he has to be ready."
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 04, 2024, 03:11:36 PM
I saw Rogers and Duran pre warm up sitting together and ac ting like kids, flicking each other and showing each other clips on their phones. Then i realised they are kids aged 22 and barely 20.
Must be difficult to get them to focus and do the right things - maybe that why so many promising players do not make the final step into greatness
Post by: Risso on December 04, 2024, 11:20:30 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 05, 2024, 01:11:22 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 05, 2024, 02:48:42 AM
Yeah! Like when Mark Draper bleached his blonde and er...scored against Spurs on Boxing Day 1997 (4-1 win, Collymore's free-kick goal and false dawn).
Not a false dawn for me. I’d just split up with my first baby mother and stepped into a happy new life. That was my first game as a newly-single man.
Post by: darren woolley on December 05, 2024, 08:17:19 AM
Post by: frank black on December 05, 2024, 08:43:58 AM
Hopefully he has a nice run of form now.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 05, 2024, 09:28:47 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 05, 2024, 09:41:11 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on December 05, 2024, 09:55:28 AM
Not sure about the fingers in the ears goal celebration.
Yes, I was going to mention that, he played very well, but he's been a little lucky to stay in the team and attracted some very mild criticism online, none at all down the match. When you are on the kind of contract he's just signed, he'll need to get a far thicker skin.
Any road, at times, like Gerrard (the player) again, excellent.
Post by: Risso on December 05, 2024, 10:30:54 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on December 05, 2024, 10:59:53 AM
He seemed to be doing that fingers in the ears celebration afterwards, which for me, is the sign of somebody getting a little bit too big for his boots.
Same. Too thin skinned for my liking. He's been shite for a couple of months and some have quiet rightly questioned if he needs taking out of the firing line.
Post by: LeeB on December 05, 2024, 11:46:43 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 05, 2024, 11:57:30 AM
Post by: Smithy on December 05, 2024, 11:59:37 AM
After the goal did he not do it at the Brentford fans ?
That's how I saw it, too.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 05, 2024, 12:00:03 PM
After the goal did he not do it at the Brentford fans ?
That's how I saw it, too.
all 6 of them :D
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 05, 2024, 12:01:32 PM
He seemed to be doing that fingers in the ears celebration afterwards, which for me, is the sign of somebody getting a little bit too big for his boots.
Same. Too thin skinned for my liking. He's been shite for a couple of months and some have quiet rightly questioned if he needs taking out of the firing line.
It’s a bit rich to be describing someone as thin skinned, whilst simultaneously getting upset about a young bloke sticking his fingers in his ears.
Post by: kipeye on December 05, 2024, 12:04:57 PM
Rich, but not unusual...He seemed to be doing that fingers in the ears celebration afterwards, which for me, is the sign of somebody getting a little bit too big for his boots.
Same. Too thin skinned for my liking. He's been shite for a couple of months and some have quiet rightly questioned if he needs taking out of the firing line.
It’s a bit rich to be describing someone as thin skinned, whilst simultaneously getting upset about a young bloke sticking his fingers in his ears.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 05, 2024, 12:53:38 PM
To be honest,I don't have a problem with it if was aimed at a few people.Rich, but not unusual...He seemed to be doing that fingers in the ears celebration afterwards, which for me, is the sign of somebody getting a little bit too big for his boots.
Same. Too thin skinned for my liking. He's been shite for a couple of months and some have quiet rightly questioned if he needs taking out of the firing line.
It’s a bit rich to be describing someone as thin skinned, whilst simultaneously getting upset about a young bloke sticking his fingers in his ears.
It was hardly Alpay levels.
Post by: eamonn on December 05, 2024, 07:41:54 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 05, 2024, 09:46:48 PM
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 11, 2024, 12:51:02 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 11, 2024, 12:53:30 AM
Post by: eamonn on December 11, 2024, 03:51:25 AM
Post by: Smithy on December 11, 2024, 08:28:07 AM
I also love the fact that he appears to be developing a really good understanding with Duran. That relationship could be the cornerstone of our attacking threat for the next five years.
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 11, 2024, 08:41:14 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 11, 2024, 09:15:02 AM
Post by: Mister E on December 11, 2024, 10:03:00 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 11, 2024, 10:06:49 AM
With the ball, he runs like Ronaldo (the proper one). Although he struggles to get going, with poor initial acceleration, once he’s got a jog on he is unstoppable.
Going off topic a bit here but was watching an old clip of the bellend Ronaldo in his prime yesterday, and he looked like a bit of a div when he ran full pelt.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 11, 2024, 11:08:20 AM
Post by: OCD on December 11, 2024, 11:33:40 AM
He was puffing at the end, which was probably why he didn't do better with his last chance into the side netting. If Ramsey was back, I would state give him a rest, he probably does need it.
The only way I would be resting him right now is for the last 15/20 minutes. He looked out of form before he went Peroxide. Ideally he would have been rested during that run of games. He looks bang in form again now.
Post by: Gerrin on December 11, 2024, 08:49:50 PM
I'm still baffled at how he retains possession in places where he has absolutely no right to, but will then lose it quite easily a minute later. Obviously that will improve with experience, but he is clearly capable of things others in the team simply aren't.
I also love the fact that he appears to be developing a really good understanding with Duran. That relationship could be the cornerstone of our attacking threat for the next five years.
Before the match last night, TNT picked him out and played a show reel of some of his best bits for Villa. When you see them back to back and realise these are PL and CL matches, I'm just amazed the lad was playing Championship in January. He's always wants the ball, positive, runs and carries it so well, gives it at the right time, not selfish.
Watching Jack tonight for Citeh, what a contrast. He was so exciting at Villa, just like Rogers, he's had that all taken from him now, what a waste.
I honestly think Rogers has more potential, he just needs more goals now. Jack's best highlight clips were mostly in the Championship, Rogers is doing it at the top level.
Post by: Mellin on December 11, 2024, 09:57:45 PM
Went to the wrong club and has been wasted though. Should've gone somewhere he could be maverick. Fuck the treble.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 11, 2024, 10:02:56 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on December 11, 2024, 10:59:42 PM
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on December 11, 2024, 11:16:55 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 11, 2024, 11:22:23 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 12, 2024, 05:50:49 AM
I'm still baffled at how he retains possession in places where he has absolutely no right to, but will then lose it quite easily a minute later. Obviously that will improve with experience, but he is clearly capable of things others in the team simply aren't.
I also love the fact that he appears to be developing a really good understanding with Duran. That relationship could be the cornerstone of our attacking threat for the next five years.
Before the match last night, TNT picked him out and played a show reel of some of his best bits for Villa. When you see them back to back and realise these are PL and CL matches, I'm just amazed the lad was playing Championship in January. He's always wants the ball, positive, runs and carries it so well, gives it at the right time, not selfish.
Watching Jack tonight for Citeh, what a contrast. He was so exciting at Villa, just like Rogers, he's had that all taken from him now, what a waste.
I honestly think Rogers has more potential, he just needs more goals now. Jack's best highlight clips were mostly in the Championship, Rogers is doing it at the top level.
Have to disagree with the last paragraph. I remember that away game at Leicester we won at the end through Barkley. I thought Joe had a quiet game and I think a few other people said that on the post-match thread.
The next day there was one of those little videos on twitter of his highlights in the game, and it was 2 and a half minutes of football genius.
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2024, 10:31:43 AM
Post by: Smithy on December 12, 2024, 10:56:20 AM
I wouldn't touch Grealish with a barge pole now, but at the time he was arguably the most exciting player in the Premier League. The only thing missing from Morgan's game at the moment is consistent end product. I can't think of many players in the Prem at the moment with a better combination of strength and close ball control, but too often his final passes or shots lead a lot to be desired. It'll come though.
Yep, there was a period around his first England appearances where he was the most entertaining player in the league. Every game there was something for the highlight reel. Obviously plenty of things didn't come off (and to avoid those things happening at City, the rest has been coached out of him), but he was brilliant for us. That type of player, with better players around him, could have been phenomenal.
We might find out with Rogers, if his improvement over the last 12 months continues. At Rogers' age, Grealish was important to our team in the Championship (his second season as a first team regular), but he still only scored 3 goals all season as we lost in the play-offs against Fulham in probably the biggest sliding doors moment in our history. It was really the following season (and his two in the premier league with us) where he really came into his own.
Morgan has time.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 12, 2024, 01:42:59 PM
I wouldn't touch Grealish with a barge pole now, but at the time he was arguably the most exciting player in the Premier League. The only thing missing from Morgan's game at the moment is consistent end product. I can't think of many players in the Prem at the moment with a better combination of strength and close ball control, but too often his final passes or shots lead a lot to be desired. It'll come though.
And when it does he needs to take Buendia's number 10 shirt and forever be known as R10.
Post by: Dave P on December 12, 2024, 04:14:44 PM
I wouldn't touch Grealish with a barge pole now, but at the time he was arguably the most exciting player in the Premier League. The only thing missing from Morgan's game at the moment is consistent end product. I can't think of many players in the Prem at the moment with a better combination of strength and close ball control, but too often his final passes or shots lead a lot to be desired. It'll come though.
I think in an Unai team of well drilled passages of play, Rogers stands out as the 'maverick' with 'brave' flicks and threaded balls etc. They don't always come off, but I'd rather that was encouraged from him as he'll only get even better.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 13, 2024, 02:51:35 AM
Morgz in the Champions League (and for once you don’t have to turn the volume off):
https://x.com/astonvilla___/status/1867263497651867799?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
If someone could Shazam the tune for me I’d be most grateful.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 13, 2024, 08:38:52 AM
Post by: Rigadon on December 13, 2024, 08:54:45 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 13, 2024, 09:36:32 AM
But when you watch that (and that is only in the Champs league) fuck me what a player he is and frightening where he can get to.
Even more frightening is SUE and his team saw something in him that (if we are honest) none of us contemplated even after watching him a few times once we knew we were interested.
A joy to watch and in the same mould as Jack - when a player takes the ball and drives at defences it is breathtaking at times - pity Jack had his mojo cut off.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 13, 2024, 09:56:45 AM
"Am I Dreaming" - Metro Boomin, A$AP Rocky & Roisee.
Cheers cd.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 13, 2024, 10:08:55 AM
Post by: Scratchins on December 13, 2024, 10:10:17 AM
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on December 13, 2024, 10:20:25 AM
"Am I Dreaming" - Metro Boomin, A$AP Rocky & Roisee.
Really liked the music. That video is amazing. Rogers USM
Post by: AV84 on December 13, 2024, 10:51:33 AM
Cole Palmer wants to trademark his celebration. He copied it from Morgan
I noticed Morgan seems to have stopped doing it lately. I guess the "Cold" thing makes sense for Palmer, but f**k the dopey f**ker.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 13, 2024, 10:54:38 AM
Cole Palmer wants to trademark his celebration. He copied it from Morgan
Can you trademark a celebration? I can understand trademarking for official merchandise with pictures of him doing it, but actually trademark so someone else can't do it at all?
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2024, 11:23:22 AM
Cole Palmer wants to trademark his celebration. He copied it from Morgan
Can you trademark a celebration? I can understand trademarking for official merchandise with pictures of him doing it, but actually trademark so someone else can't do it at all?
A load of fucking nonsense. Like Vardy apparently trying to trademark the phrase, "chat shit, get banged."
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 13, 2024, 11:24:57 AM
Cole Palmer wants to trademark his celebration. He copied it from Morgan
Can you trademark a celebration? I can understand trademarking for official merchandise with pictures of him doing it, but actually trademark so someone else can't do it at all?
A load of fucking nonsense. Like Vardy apparently trying to trademark the phrase, "chat shit, get banged."
How very Chav - how old is Vardy 19? prick
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 13, 2024, 11:27:36 AM
Cole Palmer wants to trademark his celebration. He copied it from Morgan
Can you trademark a celebration? I can understand trademarking for official merchandise with pictures of him doing it, but actually trademark so someone else can't do it at all?
Correct. It wouldn't stop Rogers using the celebration, it would, potentially, prevent him from trying to flog merchandise featuring it.
Post by: OCD on December 13, 2024, 11:31:24 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 13, 2024, 11:33:35 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 13, 2024, 11:42:02 AM
Cole Palmer wants to trademark his celebration. He copied it from Morgan
Can you trademark a celebration? I can understand trademarking for official merchandise with pictures of him doing it, but actually trademark so someone else can't do it at all?
Correct. It wouldn't stop Rogers using the celebration, it would, potentially, prevent him from trying to flog merchandise featuring it.
Imagine Robbie Fowler flogging merchandise featuring his celebration.
Post by: Rigadon on December 13, 2024, 11:59:02 AM
Cole Palmer wants to trademark his celebration. He copied it from Morgan
Can you trademark a celebration? I can understand trademarking for official merchandise with pictures of him doing it, but actually trademark so someone else can't do it at all?
A load of fucking nonsense. Like Vardy apparently trying to trademark the phrase, "chat shit, get banged."
How very Chav - how old is Vardy 19? prick
He’s older, but that’s about his IQ.
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2024, 01:37:00 PM
Cole Palmer wants to trademark his celebration. He copied it from Morgan
Can you trademark a celebration? I can understand trademarking for official merchandise with pictures of him doing it, but actually trademark so someone else can't do it at all?
Correct. It wouldn't stop Rogers using the celebration, it would, potentially, prevent him from trying to flog merchandise featuring it.
Imagine Robbie Fowler flogging merchandise featuring his celebration.
https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Robbie-Fowler-by-NBEdits/84164487.NL9AC.XYZ
(https://i.ibb.co/fphvB9d/ssrco-classic-tee-two-models-fafafa-ca443f4786-front-square-three-quarter-1000x1000-u1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fphvB9d)
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 15, 2024, 02:36:00 AM
I prefer it with him wider and McGinn off Watkins (as we have no other options, well, in form, anyway). Fuck we're missing a "Diaby".
Post by: eamonn on December 15, 2024, 02:46:32 AM
McGinn will be trademarking his celebration next.
(https://i.ibb.co/9gBtvLB/IMG-20241213-WA0004.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9gBtvLB)
Post by: Clampy on December 15, 2024, 08:52:44 AM
Post by: ROBBO on December 15, 2024, 08:58:32 AM
Post by: Ian. on December 15, 2024, 09:05:57 AM
I know a few have said it and I agree, our attacking game is not happening at all this season which is the main issue and not our defence.
Post by: ozzjim on December 15, 2024, 09:06:05 AM
Post by: Ian. on December 15, 2024, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 15, 2024, 10:26:21 AM
Can anyone give me some passing stats on Morgan? I find his passing infuriating. I wouldn't mind if it was defence splitting passes that he was trying and failing, but it quite often seems to be relatively simple balls or pointless back heels that go astray. I don't know if this is all over blown in my head though and something that just sticks out to me, so it may be my own little confirmation bias.
I prefer it with him wider and McGinn off Watkins (as we have no other options, well, in form, anyway). Fuck we're missing a "Diaby".
https://footystats.org/players/england/morgan-rogers
In summary, he’s way ahead of his salary in all his metrics, but rates really high in his dribbles, so he probably thinks he should keep doing that. The rest will come with experience, as will the salary.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 15, 2024, 11:15:22 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 15, 2024, 11:57:20 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/L8Vrjzx/IMG-3217.png) (https://ibb.co/L8Vrjzx)
His successful passing stats is really poor and puts him in the 16th percentile. 75% pass completion rate.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 15, 2024, 03:02:50 PM
Yeah, 16th percentile is pretty poor. Definitely needs to improve his decision making. I think I find him more frustrating because you can clearly see how talented he is, but some of the simple misplaced passes are driving me nuts.
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 15, 2024, 05:35:05 PM
Cheers for the replies.
Yeah, 16th percentile is pretty poor. Definitely needs to improve his decision making. I think I find him more frustrating because you can clearly see how talented he is, but some of the simple misplaced passes are driving me nuts.
That’s where I am.
Post by: Drummond on December 15, 2024, 05:42:05 PM
He needs to increase his stamina, and that is for the medical team etc to work on with him.
We'd be able to take him off more if Bailey, Philogene, Buendia were firing and on form.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 15, 2024, 07:46:01 PM
Cheers for the replies.
Yeah, 16th percentile is pretty poor. Definitely needs to improve his decision making. I think I find him more frustrating because you can clearly see how talented he is, but some of the simple misplaced passes are driving me nuts.
That’s where I am.
Me too.
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2024, 07:55:36 PM
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Post by: Paul.S on December 21, 2024, 04:25:42 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 21, 2024, 04:40:36 PM
What a performance from Rogers today. He reminds me of Collymore in some of the things he does. There’s so much talent there he can achieve whatever he wants and all with us.I've said that before. The way he runs with the ball is very reminiscent of Collymore.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2024, 06:38:49 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 21, 2024, 06:42:14 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 21, 2024, 07:01:00 PM
He’s brilliant, I think today showed why we need to manage his minutes a bit more. He looked fresh and full of energy today.
He's had a bit of a dip recently (to be expected with young players new at the level), but he was superb today, especially in the 2nd half. They had seasoned internationals who couldn't get near him at times.
Post by: CT Villan on December 21, 2024, 07:07:01 PM
Wish someone would make a better song for him though, all I can hear (albeit from the tv) is the repurposed Ollie Watkins song.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2024, 08:01:31 PM
He’s brilliant, I think today showed why we need to manage his minutes a bit more. He looked fresh and full of energy today.
He's had a bit of a dip recently (to be expected with young players new at the level), but he was superb today, especially in the 2nd half. They had seasoned internationals who couldn't get near him at times.
Absolutely, and I’ve been pretty fierce in my defence of him, but we need to let him develop and have breaks at the right time. He’s exceptional.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 21, 2024, 08:07:23 PM
When the squad has depth we need to rotate more.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 21, 2024, 08:13:00 PM
We need to integrate Buendia more so he can challenge Rogers in a similar way to Duran and Watkins. Ditto Maatsen and Digne.
When the squad has depth we need to rotate more.
I’d forgotten about Ramsey! It’s his role to push Rogers and allow us to rotate. Jesus we have a good squad.
Post by: alan_clarke on December 21, 2024, 08:51:11 PM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on December 21, 2024, 08:55:26 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2024, 09:04:30 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 21, 2024, 09:30:46 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 21, 2024, 10:06:21 PM
Score one , make one and still not motm shows how good a team performance that was
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 22, 2024, 02:52:22 AM
Post by: Clampy on December 22, 2024, 08:09:26 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 22, 2024, 08:35:18 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 22, 2024, 08:43:47 AM
Before the game the talk amongst my group was, would you swap Rogers for Grealish? The overwhelming response was a yes. After the game, everyone changed their mind. With that performance he’s as good as Bellingham at his best. The great thing is…he can improve further.You hang out with some odd people mate.
Post by: Clampy on December 22, 2024, 08:59:47 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 22, 2024, 09:17:13 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 22, 2024, 09:43:01 AM
I can understand why some fans might want him back but not at the expense of Rogers though, that's a bit weird.
A poster is telling us the thoughts of the group he was with, calling that 'weird' comes across as unnecessarily snide.
Post by: Ian. on December 22, 2024, 09:49:32 AM
Post by: Clampy on December 22, 2024, 09:56:49 AM
I can understand why some fans might want him back but not at the expense of Rogers though, that's a bit weird.
A poster is telling us the thoughts of the group he was with, calling that 'weird' comes across as unnecessarily snide.
I knew that wasn't the view of the poster in question, I never said it was. I wasnt calling the post itself weird either.
Post by: 144 Hard Boiled Eggs on December 22, 2024, 11:51:04 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 22, 2024, 01:30:01 PM
Before the game the talk amongst my group was, would you swap Rogers for Grealish? The overwhelming response was a yes. After the game, everyone changed their mind. With that performance he’s as good as Bellingham at his best. The great thing is…he can improve further.You hang out with some odd people mate.
It was a hypothetical question based on the current form of both players. If such things are odd then that’s what we are.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 22, 2024, 01:56:28 PM
Before the game the talk amongst my group was, would you swap Rogers for Grealish? The overwhelming response was a yes. After the game, everyone changed their mind. With that performance he’s as good as Bellingham at his best. The great thing is…he can improve further.You hang out with some odd people mate.
It was a hypothetical question based on the current form of both players. If such things are odd then that’s what we are.
Strange that based on current form Grealish would be seen in a positive light, he hasn’t done anything of note this season.
Post by: AV84 on December 22, 2024, 01:57:05 PM
Post by: Smithy on December 22, 2024, 02:02:47 PM
The reality is, we've moved on as a club, and the money we got for him helped us move on. It's all ifs, buts, and maybes, but I doubt we'd be where we are today, with the coaching/management structure we have, if he'd agreed to stay that summer.
As time passes, my animosity fades (except when he's playing against us, obv), and I just think of his move as one that worked out nicely for us in the long run, even if it hurt in the short/medium term. If he didn't leave, perhaps Deano doesn't get the sack when he did, which would have avoided Gerrard ever coming. But if Gerrard doesn't get the sack when he did, would we have got Unai?
Either way, he's not good enough for anything other than a squad place with us these days, and he's too expensive for that.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 22, 2024, 02:06:51 PM
I'm sure they're not losing sleep over it given how many young players they've sold for profit and never missed, but it's kind of funny seeing Rogers and Palmer doing so well this season, especially given Man City's aging squad, and their recruitment policy being one of the things being criticised.
Palmer was a lot closer to being a regular in their starting eleven, didn’t he have a good loan spell with someone then score and perform well in the Charity Shield? Chelsea paid a big fee for potential, the risk has certainly paid off but there was no guarantee.
It’s been Man City’s MO for a while and something we’re trying and have done to a lesser extent over the last few seasons.
Post by: AV84 on December 22, 2024, 03:03:05 PM
I'm sure they're not losing sleep over it given how many young players they've sold for profit and never missed, but it's kind of funny seeing Rogers and Palmer doing so well this season, especially given Man City's aging squad, and their recruitment policy being one of the things being criticised.
Palmer was a lot closer to being a regular in their starting eleven, didn’t he have a good loan spell with someone then score and perform well in the Charity Shield? Chelsea paid a big fee for potential, the risk has certainly paid off but there was no guarantee.
It’s been Man City’s MO for a while and something we’re trying and have done to a lesser extent over the last few seasons.
Yes, it's worked well for them, and for every one that's got away, they've probably cashed in on 10 that never amount to much. Palmer had a great season last year and Man City didn't care because they were winning the league, again. We're only bringing it up now because they do seem to be having a problem with age and form. But still, it's enjoyable while it's happening. I'm sure they'll fix it in January and normal service will resume, but for now, I'll point and laugh.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2024, 09:04:50 PM
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 23, 2024, 02:19:45 AM
I think Ramsey is the key to Rogers minutes being managed.
Imagine having a fit Ramsey and Rogers to choose from? Absolute envy from other clubs would be immeasurable.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 23, 2024, 09:11:34 AM
I think Ramsey is the key to Rogers minutes being managed.
Absolutely. Anyone know how long he is out for?
Post by: Dave on December 23, 2024, 09:17:35 AM
Whether that's 2025 or 2026 remains to be seen.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 23, 2024, 09:19:45 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 23, 2024, 09:22:27 AM
Post by: Dave on December 23, 2024, 09:25:52 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 23, 2024, 09:43:33 AM
Maybe he means literally? An offering to the PSR Gods that they will bless us with their favour.
This part of the 150 year anniversary stuff?
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 23, 2024, 09:48:13 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 23, 2024, 10:49:32 AM
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Top trolling there 😂
Post by: Rigadon on January 05, 2025, 02:05:14 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 06, 2025, 02:04:34 PM
There's a good interview with Rogers on 'The Rest is Football' podcast. Think it's relatively recent. He sounds pretty clued up for young man.
Post by: eamonn on January 06, 2025, 02:10:05 PM
Might be a sign of ageing but when I hear young players chatting on these things/even press conferences and it's clear that their upbringing/natural chatty self is shining through more than their PR training, it makes me happier. It was/is the case with Grealish too which I think helped endear him to people.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 21, 2025, 07:50:53 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2025, 07:52:12 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 21, 2025, 07:54:10 PM
Really bad in the second half, Unai was far too slow to react to that. He had evidently gone
Does seem to be a weakness of Emery not to recognise when a player has "gone". He was so poor in that second half.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2025, 07:55:55 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2025, 07:57:37 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 21, 2025, 07:58:12 PM
Really bad in the second half, Unai was far too slow to react to that. He had evidently gone
There was another game recently where I thought he’d “gone”. He scored/assisted shortly after but I still maintain his overall play was poor. When Ramsey is on the bench you’d hope they could be more interchangeable.
Post by: Tuscans on January 21, 2025, 08:34:04 PM
Post by: usav on January 21, 2025, 08:35:42 PM
Apparently Rogers was sick. Doesn't excuse the performance because giving simple passes away are a reoccurrence.
Then why play him? Ramsey could have played.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2025, 08:36:47 PM
Apparently Rogers was sick. Doesn't excuse the performance because giving simple passes away are a reoccurrence.
He’s been ill a few times, and it obviously really impacts his performance. That’s fair enough, but the management need to deal with it better. We have other players, bloody use them. He’s brilliant, but he’s clearly not when he’s unwell.
Post by: brontebilly on January 21, 2025, 08:47:48 PM
Apparently Rogers was sick. Doesn't excuse the performance because giving simple passes away are a reoccurrence.
A lot of post game excuses being thrown out. There was nothing stopping Emery replacing him far earlier.
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2025, 10:29:34 PM
It just does not make any sense, if he was sick then surely the bench would be watching to see if he was starting to wilt,WTF were they watching in the second half?Apparently Rogers was sick. Doesn't excuse the performance because giving simple passes away are a reoccurrence.
Then why play him? Ramsey could have played.
We were down to 10 men he was so ineffectual.
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2025, 10:52:29 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 29, 2025, 10:07:56 PM
Post by: Tuscans on January 29, 2025, 10:09:01 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2025, 10:20:42 PM
Post by: PhilVill on January 29, 2025, 10:26:11 PM
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2025, 10:29:07 PM
He’s had a few down games, but he’s been utterly sensational.
He looked fitter, faster and stronger tonight than the last few games. I suspect the idea that he's bene struggling with a bug of some sort is pretty close to the mark. Despite that he's now got 6 goals and 2 assists in his last 9 games, which is not bad considering he struggled in a few games in that run.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 29, 2025, 10:30:05 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 29, 2025, 10:31:21 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 29, 2025, 10:34:09 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 29, 2025, 10:42:54 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on January 29, 2025, 10:44:39 PM
Post by: Smithy on January 29, 2025, 10:47:06 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 29, 2025, 11:06:48 PM
A great coach could have made Luke Moore like him.
Post by: andyh on January 29, 2025, 11:08:35 PM
One of the best bargains of recent times?Well, yes….but our midfield.
Bouba, Tielemans, Kamara and Rogers.
Total cost = Rogers fee.
Now, that’s the real bargain.
Post by: Dave on January 29, 2025, 11:15:09 PM
One of the best bargains of recent times?Well, yes….but our midfield.
Bouba, Tielemans, Kamara and Rogers.
Total cost = Rogers fee.
Now, that’s the real bargain.
Kamara plays like he's two players at times, but you don't get to count him twice.
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2025, 11:21:52 PM
Kamara Tielemans
McGinn Rogers Ramsey
is top 4 standard and cost us less than £10m.
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 29, 2025, 11:25:43 PM
Our first CL/European cup hat=trick. Collymore got one away to Strömsgodset.I was thinking who the other European hat trick scorers we've had are Gary Shaw v Dinamo Bucharest, Peter Withe v Vitoria Guimares, the Collymore one and now Morgan Rogers. Is that all of them?
Post by: paul_e on January 29, 2025, 11:29:52 PM
Our first CL/European cup hat=trick. Collymore got one away to Strömsgodset.I was thinking who the other European hat trick scorers we've had are Gary Shaw v Dinamo Bucharest, Peter Withe v Vitoria Guimares, the Collymore one and now Morgan Rogers. Is that all of them?
Watkins last season (but some won't count it because he should've got 5).
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on January 29, 2025, 11:55:59 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 30, 2025, 12:00:02 AM
Post by: mrfuse on January 30, 2025, 12:19:19 AM
Top performance from Rogers tonight.
Post by: darren woolley on January 30, 2025, 10:27:56 AM
Post by: LeeS on January 30, 2025, 10:42:02 AM
Post by: DrGonzo on January 30, 2025, 11:29:19 AM
Post by: London Villan on January 30, 2025, 12:06:33 PM
Post by: Bosco81 on January 30, 2025, 12:11:14 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 30, 2025, 01:27:05 PM
Post by: ozzjim on January 30, 2025, 01:37:55 PM
Post by: Dave on January 30, 2025, 01:41:38 PM
We need to stop giving it to him facing our own goal, mid way into our own half, on the touchline, with 3 players already marking him. I don't blame him for us losing the ball repeatedly like that, I blame his team mates for continuously expecting him to Houdini out of it.
Counterpoint - him getting the ball in exactly that situation, and still being strong enough to get a pass away to McGinn is what created all the space in the world for Ramsey and Watkins for the third goal.
Post by: LeeB on January 30, 2025, 01:46:54 PM
We need to stop giving it to him facing our own goal, mid way into our own half, on the touchline, with 3 players already marking him. I don't blame him for us losing the ball repeatedly like that, I blame his team mates for continuously expecting him to Houdini out of it.
Counterpoint - him getting the ball in exactly that situation, and still being strong enough to get a pass away to McGinn is what created all the space in the world for Ramsey and Watkins for the third goal.
Yes, and I'd been screeming at him to just pass it before he burst away with the ball.
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2025, 03:15:59 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 30, 2025, 09:51:02 PM
We definitely had our pants pulled down by Middlesborough.
Ha! Is that a direct quote from me, earlier in the thread? How wrong I was.
Post by: AV84 on January 30, 2025, 10:38:56 PM
I'd add fitness (as he looks knackered after about 70 mins) and decision-making with the final pass. Both coachable and come with experience.
According to the FPL numbers Rogers has played 1810 minutes in the league this season.
For comparison:
Martinez - 2025
Tielemans - 1951
Konsa - 1811
Digne - 1725
Watkins - 1594
Add in the CL games and cup games, and he's played a lot of football. I'm sure his fitness can improve, but having someone else to play that position, allowing him some more time off, wouldn't hurt.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 31, 2025, 01:29:11 AM
We need to stop giving it to him facing our own goal, mid way into our own half, on the touchline, with 3 players already marking him. I don't blame him for us losing the ball repeatedly like that, I blame his team mates for continuously expecting him to Houdini out of it.
Counterpoint - him getting the ball in exactly that situation, and still being strong enough to get a pass away to McGinn is what created all the space in the world for Ramsey and Watkins for the third goal.
Yep. It’s the plan. Players like Morgan Rogers rarely find themselves in acres of space. Other teams have managers too.
Post by: ozzjim on January 31, 2025, 07:15:19 AM
We need to stop giving it to him facing our own goal, mid way into our own half, on the touchline, with 3 players already marking him. I don't blame him for us losing the ball repeatedly like that, I blame his team mates for continuously expecting him to Houdini out of it.
Counterpoint - him getting the ball in exactly that situation, and still being strong enough to get a pass away to McGinn is what created all the space in the world for Ramsey and Watkins for the third goal.
Yep. It’s the plan. Players like Morgan Rogers rarely find themselves in acres of space. Other teams have managers too.
Totally different scenarios. In that situation I agree, the situations in talking about it when we are being slow and ponderous at the back, then get closed in, and he gets given it already boxed in and gets robbed. It happened 4-5 times on Wednesday, with one of them ending up with the ball in our net.
The third the other night came from Kamara having the vision to hit Rogers earlier, in an area he had a chance of actually going both ways.
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2025, 07:46:55 AM
I have often said the same, but he always seems to get stronger as games progress.
Many, many times he has gone on a lung busting run in the last few minutes of a game.
The only time he has looked truly off it was against Monaco, and we now know the kid was ill.
I absolutely love the way he (and JJ) collects the ball on the half turn and is away from his man. It is such a great weapon and skill to have.
The only other player that noticeably does it is Gibbs White. And he’s not too shabby either.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 31, 2025, 11:14:20 AM
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After the last couple of days I'm worried someone must have their eye on Rogers transfer wise
Of those that could seriously afford the potential £60-£80m
Man City - he has been there and done that
Chelsea - Would be battling with his bestie for the same place
P.lop - ?
Arsehole - Not sure he is their type of player
I actually think that coming back to the midlands around family etc has driven the change in him (as well as coaching by SUE) so not sure a London scene would be for him
Even though the media still think of us as little Villa , we know we are no pushovers anymore so i welcome speculation as it strengthens us when we refuse to move.
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 11:49:46 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2025, 12:32:12 PM
Rogers is the perfect example of a player coming in and trusting the process, and putting in the effort, and now he's reaping the rewards. He's a great recruitment tool for any potential signings.
I also think in a way the Duran saga has been too. He's not been the most professional, but we've raised his profile enormously, treated him like an adult when he maybe didn't deserve it, and not played silly buggers moving him on.
Contrast that with how the likes of West Ham and Spurs do their business and I think that will influence potential new signings that they can trust us.
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2025, 12:32:25 PM
Rogers is the perfect example of a player coming in and trusting the process, and putting in the effort, and now he's reaping the rewards. He's a great recruitment tool for any potential signings.
I agree, he'd be the player I focused on while talking to prospects like Nypan and Tel. It won't work with everyone but he's a great example of a youngster trusting our manager and coaching and being turned from a raw but talented youngster into a top senior pro.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 31, 2025, 01:07:03 PM
Nypan will be a good test case.
Post by: AV84 on January 31, 2025, 02:00:27 PM
Rogers is the perfect example of a player coming in and trusting the process, and putting in the effort, and now he's reaping the rewards. He's a great recruitment tool for any potential signings.
I agree, he'd be the player I focused on while talking to prospects like Nypan and Tel. It won't work with everyone but he's a great example of a youngster trusting our manager and coaching and being turned from a raw but talented youngster into a top senior pro.
And we can use Duran getting a mega millions move to Saudi as a "worse case scenario" thing too.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2025, 10:27:52 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 03, 2025, 10:33:19 PM
Watkins
Asensio
Rashford (fully firing)
Rogers
Ramsay
Malen
Stop the ball going in our net more often and we will start flying again
Post by: paul_e on February 03, 2025, 10:45:13 PM
Our front 6 attacking options are stuff of nightmares for defences
Watkins
Asensio
Rashford (fully firing)
Rogers
Ramsay
Malen
Stop the ball going in our net more often and we will start flying again
and with McGinn, Tielemans and Bailey all giving us options up there as well.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 03, 2025, 11:00:51 PM
Our front 6 attacking options are stuff of nightmares for defences
Watkins
Asensio
Rashford (fully firing)
Rogers
Ramsay
Malen
Stop the ball going in our net more often and we will start flying again
and with McGinn, Tielemans and Bailey all giving us options up there as well.
All this talk of false 9's maybe we are going all out attack and rush goalie ....who needs defenders
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 09, 2025, 03:58:43 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 09, 2025, 04:00:50 PM
He's very impressive in interviews too. Interesting (and reassuring) comments about Emery's instructions towards the end.
Great interview! Many thanks
He’s already a star and he’s learning so much under Emery he only going to get better and better.
Super attitude too.
Post by: andyh on February 09, 2025, 04:06:41 PM
Hopefully it’s killing the fucker that his career is flying at The Villa
Post by: Smirker on February 09, 2025, 07:33:18 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 09, 2025, 07:34:44 PM
Post by: Keeno on February 09, 2025, 07:35:59 PM
I cannot believe we have a player as good as him at 22.
Post by: AV84 on February 09, 2025, 08:01:23 PM
Post by: Smirker on February 09, 2025, 08:49:40 PM
- Rogers is now a £100m player
- Rogers is better than Ratboy ever was for us
- Rogers has already out-scored Ratboy's best season for us and there are three months to go
- Rogers will be here for the next five years at least
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 09, 2025, 08:51:19 PM
Post by: Smirker on February 09, 2025, 09:04:06 PM
He's Morgan Rogers
He's not like the other old codgers
He's Morgan Rogers
He's Morgan Rogers
Passing and running
Now everyone's cumming
Cos they know
Morgan can play
Tune: Copacabana
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 09, 2025, 09:08:14 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2025, 09:08:37 PM
There was an article in The Athletic in the summer about how he'd gone on a training regime in the US during his holidays ahead of pre-season to be in the best shape possible for the new season (I think his brother is also a coach or a trainer?).
I think that level of preparation is coming out now in his endurance levels.
Fantastic player. Had he scored that goal from the little interplay with Asensio tonight, it would have been replayed for years.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 09, 2025, 09:10:30 PM
Post by: Smirker on February 09, 2025, 09:19:11 PM
It's a no from me. Sorry!
I respect this.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 09, 2025, 10:19:21 PM
He might be one of those players whose sinuses hate the cold. He always seems to have Vicks on his shirt front.
Yeah, I really don't think he's playing with a permanent cold, that just seems to be how he sounds in the winter. My nephew is similar.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 10, 2025, 04:22:39 AM
What a well spoken and mature young man.
Post by: darren woolley on February 10, 2025, 08:45:14 AM
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 10, 2025, 08:48:06 AM
Rogers
He's Morgan Rogers
He's not like the other old codgers
He's Morgan Rogers
He's Morgan Rogers
Passing and running
Now everyone's cumming
Cos they know
Morgan can play
Tune: Copacabana
You’re fired
Post by: Clampy on February 10, 2025, 08:52:04 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 10, 2025, 10:16:17 AM
Post by: Mister E on February 10, 2025, 10:21:12 AM
Post by: Rigadon on February 10, 2025, 10:22:01 AM
Post by: Smithy on February 10, 2025, 10:22:07 AM
I have some facts for you all.
- Rogers is now a £100m player
- Rogers is better than Ratboy ever was for us
- Rogers has already out-scored Ratboy's best season for us and there are three months to go
- Rogers will be here for the next five years at least
Jack at his best was effectively unplayable, but he also played in a much worse team. Rogers doesn't get to do what he does when he's got Hourihane and Nakamba behind him, and El Ghazi and Trez as his wide options. That's not to criticise those four players, but the team we have around Rogers right now is light-years ahead of the one we had when we first came up.
I agree with all the rest :-)
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2025, 02:19:15 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 10, 2025, 02:21:12 PM
I think the big take away from yesterday is that when we added 2 absolutely top drawer players as subs his level went up to match them. He's going to be a superstar and England don't really have anyone else like him so I'd be amazed if he isn't a regular at international level as well.
Strikes me as pretty similar to Palmer so will struggle to get enough minutes to make his case, especially with Foden as they next alternative.
Post by: Dave on February 10, 2025, 02:28:59 PM
I think the big take away from yesterday is that when we added 2 absolutely top drawer players as subs his level went up to match them. He's going to be a superstar and England don't really have anyone else like him so I'd be amazed if he isn't a regular at international level as well.
Strikes me as pretty similar to Palmer so will struggle to get enough minutes to make his case, especially with Foden as they next alternative.
But given it looks like Palmer has moved ahead of Foden on account of how much better his form is, it also only takes a bit of a dip for Palmer / Chelsea and he might find himself overtaken as well. There's also Bellingham of course to chuck into the mix.
The weekend put Palmer on 20 goals and assists for the season, Rogers is on 17*. So it might come down to how Tuchel wants to play. He might decide that instead of Saka / Gordon out wide, the best way to set things up is both Palmer and Rogers more central and the width coming from the full-backs.
*edit - two more needed to match Diaby's total playing from a similar position last season.
Post by: London Villan on February 10, 2025, 02:33:02 PM
Post by: Drummond on February 10, 2025, 02:42:01 PM
Post by: Dave on February 10, 2025, 02:47:16 PM
Post by: paul_e on February 10, 2025, 02:52:08 PM
Post by: Dave on February 10, 2025, 02:57:36 PM
Personally I think Rogers and Palmer would work well together rather than 1 or the other. If you're playing a 4231 then Rogers and Palmer either side of Bellingham looks like a really strong, and young, line-up. The more difficult choice is who goes with Rice behind them
Although one could argue he's had plenty of opportunities I think it would be interesting to see if playing under Simeone has made Gallagher a better, more tactically aware player.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 06, 2025, 10:07:41 AM
He did it against Brugge again and that's one reason I suspect he seems to be neigh on untouchable for being subbed.
Even in games where he has looked completely fatigued.
Rogers only came off in other game recently after taking a whack and was limping around for a while before Unai had to take him off.
I do think he could get more of a rest and rotation sometimes now given our options
Post by: Somniloquism on March 06, 2025, 10:38:35 AM
Post by: SaddVillan on March 07, 2025, 10:34:15 AM
Bookings after the 32nd won't result in a suspension.
Rogers is on 8 yellows.
We've games to go to get to 32
Brentford
Brighton
Forest
Southampton
Post by: Somniloquism on March 07, 2025, 11:11:23 AM
Post by: OCD on March 07, 2025, 11:14:44 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 07, 2025, 11:20:28 AM
Douglas Luiz repeat? Getting the 10th booking in the 94th minute against Southampton?
And that wouldn't even make the top 2 of his latest bookings in games this season.
Post by: dcdavecollett on March 07, 2025, 06:59:26 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on March 07, 2025, 07:12:40 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 07, 2025, 07:36:58 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 07, 2025, 08:44:17 PM
I suspect Rogers will get that suspension.
About the only way he'll get a rest
Post by: OCD on March 08, 2025, 11:15:19 AM
Yep, I was in the Holte that day, missed the first 15 minutes, saw all 6 goals, spent over 8 hours on trains and tubes up and down from the south coast and the biggest think that fucked me off all day was Louise being a silly cow getting booked at the death. For someone who was supposedly shit for the second half of the season, we didn't half get pissed off at him...
Still won the 2 games against Arsenal and Bournemouth without him with Tielemans and McGinn playing well.
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Post by: rooboy316 on March 12, 2025, 11:41:39 AM
There's a piece in the Daily Heil about him if someone with a stronger constitution than I wants to sully themselves.
Use this link so they don’t get clicks:
https://archive.md/AWVj2
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 12, 2025, 11:46:44 AM
There's a piece in the Daily Heil about him if someone with a stronger constitution than I wants to sully themselves.
Cheers, a good read and very positive about him.
Post by: Durham58 on March 12, 2025, 11:48:44 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 14, 2025, 05:16:26 PM
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 14, 2025, 05:44:08 PM
There was a horse at Cheltenham this week called Captain Morgs.
Its this sort of vital insight I need on a Friday evening.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 14, 2025, 06:15:51 PM
There was a horse at Cheltenham this week called Captain Morgs.
It's probably named after the rum rather than our Morgan. There's also a 3-year-old horse called Havana Club.
Post by: DeLaCruzing on March 14, 2025, 06:24:02 PM
It came 2nd in the Ecuadorian Derby.
Post by: WarszaVillan on March 14, 2025, 06:26:09 PM
There’s also a Tres Anos Horse named after Myers.
It came 2nd in the Ecuadorian Derby.
Superb username by the way.
Post by: Drummond on March 14, 2025, 06:37:10 PM
*I've no idea if this is true, but if it isn't it should be.
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 14, 2025, 06:55:20 PM
There was a horse at Cheltenham this week called Captain Morgs.Its this sort of vital insight I need on a Friday evening.
Here's more. That absolute carthorse has pulled up 5 times in his last 10 races similar to Rogers performances in his last 10 matches. He really needed a rest over this lull period and won't get that now. Shame really because we need the Rogers who was on fire from the start of December to the end of January back for the run-in.
Below is also no shock to anyone who actually pays attention.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK8bHN70/Capture-cleaned.jpg)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 14, 2025, 07:00:32 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 14, 2025, 07:04:24 PM
There's also a horse called Down the Hatch*
There's a decent pub in Roscommon called Down The Hatch. I'm sure Mr. Shelley has been in it once or twice.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 14, 2025, 07:24:45 PM
There’s also a Tres Anos Horse named after Myers.
It came 2nd in the Ecuadorian Derby.
Superb username by the way.
It is, isn't it?
Post by: dave shelley on March 14, 2025, 08:37:46 PM
There's also a horse called Down the Hatch*
There's a decent pub in Roscommon called Down The Hatch. I'm sure Mr. Shelley has been in it once or twice.
Could be said.
Post by: paul_e on March 15, 2025, 10:58:44 AM
Below is also no shock to anyone who actually pays attention.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK8bHN70/Capture-cleaned.jpg)
It's worth noting that you're only showing half of the stat here because the flipside is the amount of successful take-ons, Where Rogers is the 5th highest in the league. He plays a risk/reward game where he backs himself to make things happen and clearly he's very good at it.
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 15, 2025, 11:17:29 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2025, 11:37:00 AM
Fuck me, is Goldie spending his time trying to find a way to slag off Morgan Rogers, now? What a life.Have you woken up yet?
Post by: Smithy on March 15, 2025, 12:56:01 PM
Below is also no shock to anyone who actually pays attention.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK8bHN70/Capture-cleaned.jpg)
It's worth noting that you're only showing half of the stat here because the flipside is the amount of successful take-ons, Where Rogers is the 5th highest in the league. He plays a risk/reward game where he backs himself to make things happen and clearly he's very good at it.
Not only that, he's doing it to instruction. He's said in multiple interviews that Unai encourages him to try things in the attacking half. If he was failing too often at those things, then he'd be dropped.
It's also worth noting that the image shared has got Morgan in there being dispossessed 55 times this season, but it didn't show who has been dispossessed 54 times. One Mohamed Salah, who I assume to "anyone paying attention" is having an underperforming season?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 15, 2025, 01:01:15 PM
There was a horse at Cheltenham this week called Captain Morgs.Its this sort of vital insight I need on a Friday evening.
Here's more. That absolute carthorse has pulled up 5 times in his last 10 races similar to Rogers performances in his last 10 matches. He really needed a rest over this lull period and won't get that now. Shame really because we need the Rogers who was on fire from the start of December to the end of January back for the run-in.
Below is also no shock to anyone who actually pays attention.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK8bHN70/Capture-cleaned.jpg)
What an absolutely shit stat. Cheers for that.
Mad how it shows one of each club’s best players.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2025, 02:40:25 PM
This is the direct link for more info (https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/dispossessed)
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 15, 2025, 10:55:29 PM
Post by: Nelly on March 20, 2025, 07:36:18 AM
The rise of Morgan Rogers: ‘Unai Emery drags the best out of you – he battered me over one little thing’
A manager imported at considerable expense tends to be demanding, his high standards and attention to detail rendering him a perfectionist. So Morgan Rogers can testify. The Aston Villa attacking midfielder is a rookie at international level, but 14 months under Unai Emery could serve as a fine grounding for his time playing for Thomas Tuchel and England.
Emery has enabled a footballer who was relegated from the Championship two years ago to score a Champions League hat-trick this season. He has taken Rogers to levels few envisaged; certainly not Manchester City when they sold him in 2023. He has done it, a grateful Rogers grins, by always wanting more.
“Never a moment’s rest,” he said. “When you probably least expect it is where he'll catch you out, telling you about yourself. For me personally, I wouldn't change it. It's what you need sometimes, when you've had a few good games, sometimes you might not be as at it, that 1 per cent. He will make sure that 1 per cent is nipped in the bud straight away. He always drags the best out of you.
Never a moment’s rest: Emery has got the best out of Rogers at Villa
“Probably when you first come into the dressing room you don't take it the best way, you don't know how to handle it. You come in the changing room really happy, and then he'll just have a go at you about something.
“I can think of the best games I've had, and he'll come up to me and batter me for one little thing I did in the 20th minute... I go home annoyed, and I'd thought I'd played pretty well. That's how he is.”
And so to life under Tuchel. The German introduced himself by video call a month or two ago and kept in regular touch, letting Rogers know which Villa games he would be at. The 22-year-old won his first two caps under the caretaker Lee Carsley. He made the cut for Tuchel and the German has made quite an impression on him as England prepare to face Albania at Wembley in Friday’s World Cup qualifier.
“The presence is a bit different,” he said. “Certain managers have different ways about them. Certainly his aura is one I’ve not experienced before. He has that level of confidence, that level of respect already. You can see the way he is, the way he acts. He has been so chilled and calm. But when it is time to work, it is time to work.”
Rogers says Tuchel has an ‘aura’ as the German prepares for his first game in charge on Friday
Rogers is a good talker, engaging and interested, thoughtful and witty. Tuchel believes England need to get better at talking, especially in difficult moments. “The communication aspect,” Rogers highlighted, detailing Tuchel’s early message. “When momentum shifts in a game, we stick together. It’s not going to go perfect. We’re playing the best teams in the world, the best players in the world; we’re not going to be on top every game. We’d like to be, but that’s not how football works, regardless of how good you are and what team you’re in.”
That explains in part Tuchel’s most controversial choice, the recall of the vocal veteran Jordan Henderson. Rogers is encountering the 2019 Champions League-winning captain for the first time. “There is a massive level of respect and that sense of how much of a leader he is,” he said. “You can see how he pushes people on. Squads are all about balance. You can’t have a group of 25 young players who’ve never had any experience before.”
Rogers has stepped up from the Under-21s and has won two caps
He is better acquainted with another who was brought out of the cold. Marcus Rashford is back on international duty, reaping an early reward for joining Rogers at Villa. “I think he has always got that confidence and belief he would get back here, maybe not as quick because it feels like he has only been at Villa for a week,” smiled Rogers.
He welcomed the arrival of a man who he could have viewed as a rival for his place. “When we go into games, no one is worrying about me,” he said, self-deprecatingly given his own excellence. “It is nice because everyone is scared of everything he can do. He is a joy to play with and a joy to work with and for Villa to attract players of that level shows the level we are going.”
That journey has taken them to the Champions League quarter-finals. Get past Paris Saint-Germain and it could lead to a reunion in the second city, with Jude Bellingham, a friend for years. “That would be good... I don't think he'd enjoy going to Villa Park much,” said Rogers of the Birmingham prodigy.
The midfielder has seven goals and four assists in the Premier League this season
open image in gallery
They go way back, to a floodlit tournament, at Under-15 level, with Rogers representing West Bromwich Albion and Bellingham playing above his age group for Birmingham. The Real Madrid superstar was fast-tracked to the senior England team. Rogers took more of a roundabout route.
“Some people can go straight to the top and fit in. I needed games in the EFL to mould me and improve me. I needed to go through those difficult periods to find out about myself as a person and as a player,” he said. “We've had a really good relationship. Our careers and paths have been completely different but [we have] always been in contact along the journey, which is really nice. It makes it a bit sweeter.”
Rogers knows Bellingham well from their days at West Brom and Birmingham respectively
Bellingham referenced that long-time friendship with a picture of the pair together in England youth teams. Rogers joked that his mate hasn’t changed. “He's always had a mouth on him,” he said. And if they do face each other again in the last of the Champions League, there may be a good omen for Emery and Villa if Bellingham plays. “He's never beaten me,” said Rogers.
Post by: DrGonzo on March 24, 2025, 07:30:54 PM
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Post by: dcdavecollett on March 25, 2025, 01:53:46 AM
Post by: Garyth on March 25, 2025, 03:38:22 AM
Mad how it shows one of each club’s best players.
Additionally, better player will play more often/spend more time on the pitch - so are correspondingly more likely to have 'opportunies' to take on/be dispossessed.
The stat might be more useful if it was avg per 90.
Post by: olaftab on March 25, 2025, 05:12:03 AM
I would like to see how Ashley Westwood’s figures look on this table before admiring the bravery of these players.
Below is also no shock to anyone who actually pays attention.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK8bHN70/Capture-cleaned.jpg)
Post by: darren woolley on March 25, 2025, 07:49:01 AM
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Post by: LeeB on March 25, 2025, 08:21:26 AM
This kid is unbelievable, it's absolutely crazy the level he's operating at now.
Post by: Baldy on March 25, 2025, 08:28:58 AM
Only shame for him was that he was playing much higher than he does with Villa, consequently he wasn't getting the opportuntities to turn and make those surging runs from midfield. Some good link up play, his awareness of teammates is great to watch. It looked a simple pass but the timing and weight of ball in the second goal was spot on.
Agreed. Tuckel said he moved Rogers to the wing to give him a bit more space for those surging runs as midfield had become very congested.
Bellingham better beware, reckon Tuckel wouldn't hesitate in dropping him if he thought Rogers could do a better job in center midfield and was more of a team player.
Post by: Hillbilly on March 25, 2025, 08:54:57 AM
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Post by: purpletrousers on March 25, 2025, 09:27:31 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/morgan-rogers-england-tuchel-emery-bellingham-henderson-b2717926.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/morgan-rogers-england-tuchel-emery-bellingham-henderson-b2717926.html)
The rise of Morgan Rogers: ‘Unai Emery drags the best out of you – he battered me over one little thing’
Good to read thanks for pasting, I’d missed it.
Post by: Dave on March 25, 2025, 09:44:47 AM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a footballer who is able to just run forward and make opponents bounce off him like he does. He reminds me of Jonah Lomu.
A more skillful Yaya Toure.
Post by: AV84 on March 25, 2025, 10:22:31 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on March 25, 2025, 11:04:37 AM
Its great that we've been able to attract players like Asensio, and even Rashford, but I think when all is said and done, Rogers will be the player we associate with Emery's time here. I don't know how long he'll stay for, it depends on a lot of things continuing to go well, but from where he was, to where he is, and his continued desire to do everything Emery asks of him, I just think he's like the poster child for Emery's Aston Villa, and I think he'll be at club legend status if things continue in the direction we've been going.
The plan is surely to get at least one Rogers a season - young, bags of talent, someone with higher level of exposure and not all that expensive
Garcia could be that this season. Bogarde another.
Putting it bluntly as we are and will be behind others commercially we need to make up the shortfall by appreciating assets. Emery is one of the very best in world at doing so.
Post by: Rigadon on March 25, 2025, 11:09:58 AM
Only shame for him was that he was playing much higher than he does with Villa, consequently he wasn't getting the opportuntities to turn and make those surging runs from midfield. Some good link up play, his awareness of teammates is great to watch. It looked a simple pass but the timing and weight of ball in the second goal was spot on.
Agreed. Tuckel said he moved Rogers to the wing to give him a bit more space for those surging runs as midfield had become very congested.
Bellingham better beware, reckon Tuckel wouldn't hesitate in dropping him if he thought Rogers could do a better job in center midfield and was more of a team player.
I'd honestly rather have Rogers over Bellingham, who I think is an increasingly unlikable, overrated player.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 30, 2025, 04:03:49 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 30, 2025, 04:17:23 PM
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Post by: charlatan on March 30, 2025, 05:20:48 PM
Not his best game by his very high standards. But someone said on the match thread “Rogers is really shit”. I mean…he really isn’t.It was there, but if you look at the previous post, it was clearly a joke.
Post by: Mister E on March 30, 2025, 06:18:17 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 30, 2025, 06:20:23 PM
Didn't see that, only a "Rogers is sloppy" comment, but being as one or two who posted alot in the first half soon stopped posting after we were winning (apart from one aimed at Watkins), tells you more about them.
Rogers makes mistakes because he’s always trying to make things happen. I’ll take that everyday of the week.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on March 30, 2025, 06:39:24 PM
Didn't see that, only a "Rogers is sloppy" comment, but being as one or two who posted alot in the first half soon stopped posting after we were winning (apart from one aimed at Watkins), tells you more about them.
Rogers makes mistakes because he’s always trying to make things happen. I’ll take that everyday of the week.
Yeah he’s a risk taker, you need one in your team.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on March 30, 2025, 06:52:28 PM
Not his best game by his very high standards. But someone said on the match thread “Rogers is really shit”. I mean…he really isn’t.It was there, but if you look at the previous post, it was clearly a joke.
Yes, someone commented that a player needs to be slagged off as it sometimes comes back to bite them on the arse, Rogers was the hopeful recipient on this occasion.
Post by: rooboy316 on March 31, 2025, 12:32:09 AM
Rogers is not being well served playing it on the right. The accommodation of Rashford and Asensio means some compromises...
Is how I see it too - he hasn't been as effective on the right. Hopefully it's just a matter of getting used to it.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 03, 2025, 01:50:39 PM
Would rest him from start against Forest.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 03, 2025, 02:31:45 PM
Post by: VillaTim on April 03, 2025, 03:03:03 PM
Looked like he limped off injured ?walked down the tunnel fine . He wasn't in his best position (or maybe he was) but managed 2 great assists, though Cash played a huge part in goal 2
Would rest him from start against Forest.
Post by: DrGonzo on April 06, 2025, 10:38:54 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 06, 2025, 11:02:01 AM
Post by: Ian. on April 06, 2025, 11:35:41 AM
He had a fantastic game all round, he worked hard and was involved a lot more, which was very important being than SJM wasn’t on the pitch.
Post by: Mellin on April 06, 2025, 01:43:50 PM
There will be some serious enquiries/offers in the summer. Fortunately I think we're in a position to tell them to do one.
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Post by: rob_bridge on April 08, 2025, 02:41:49 PM
Absolutely, he's way too in love with what Senor is doing to improve his ga,e to even consider leaving. The one thing that realdly shines thrpugh is his intelligence and passion to improve his game. He'll be herefor t least 3 years longer, and if we keep improving as we are why would he ever leave?
The difference with him compared to many of our players is I think he would actually make Liverpool and City better.
Post by: olaftab on April 08, 2025, 02:54:15 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 08, 2025, 03:02:18 PM
But they will come for him.
Let them.
Post by: Rigadon on April 08, 2025, 03:52:11 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 08, 2025, 04:00:32 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 08, 2025, 05:28:37 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 08, 2025, 06:52:18 PM
I'd snap the hand of anyone offering 100Million for Morgan Rogers.
I don’t know why really. He’s already brilliant, his ceiling is unbelievably high.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 08, 2025, 06:55:08 PM
In short: I don't want to sell him.
Post by: Mister E on April 08, 2025, 07:24:25 PM
He needs to work on his passing. Far too often he'll do the hard yards then either lose it or play a poor pass. The day he finds the magic of making time stop still allowing him to make the right choice he'll be a £100m+ player.correct
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 08, 2025, 07:26:15 PM
Selling him would be insane
Post by: Beard82 on April 08, 2025, 07:46:59 PM
If Man City for example, come in with 90m I think hes gone. I think the main reason for that is Uani, Monchi and co back themselves to improve the team with the money.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 08, 2025, 08:38:04 PM
He needs to work on his passing. Far too often he'll do the hard yards then either lose it or play a poor pass. The day he finds the magic of making time stop still allowing him to make the right choice he'll be a £100m+ player.correct
On the bright side, he's only about 12, so plenty of time to mature.
Post by: Clampy on April 08, 2025, 08:50:43 PM
Post by: mrfuse on April 08, 2025, 08:52:49 PM
I'd snap the hand of anyone offering 100Million for Morgan Rogers.
I don’t know why really. He’s already brilliant, his ceiling is unbelievably high.
Cant believe what im hearing. Why are we talking about selling arguably our best player?
I wouldn't contemplate selling him for any price unless he actually wanted to go.
Post by: VillaTim on April 08, 2025, 08:56:24 PM
Post by: Dave on April 08, 2025, 09:00:36 PM
...and player loyalty nowadays isn't a thing that exists .
Was it ever?
Post by: VillaTim on April 08, 2025, 09:02:57 PM
Yes , Steve Bull . Steve Gerrard. To name but two ....and player loyalty nowadays isn't a thing that exists .
Was it ever?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 08, 2025, 09:07:44 PM
Post by: andyh on April 08, 2025, 09:09:33 PM
It’s his first full season at this level.
I love him, the kid is going to be an absolute superstar and hope he stays with us for years to come.
Post by: VillaTim on April 08, 2025, 09:13:01 PM
I'm sure the list is endless over the last 30 years...Shearer , Le Tissier .
Post by: Dave on April 08, 2025, 09:14:34 PM
Yes , Steve Bull . Steve Gerrard. To name but two ....and player loyalty nowadays isn't a thing that exists .
Was it ever?
Lots of players today are still at their clubs and haven't moved when they could have.
And if you think that Gerrard staying at Liverpool rather than moving to Chelsea or Real Madrid had anything to do with loyalty, you've led a very sheltered life.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 08, 2025, 09:16:37 PM
Post by: VillaTim on April 08, 2025, 09:17:13 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 08, 2025, 09:28:25 PM
I'm sure the list is endless over the last 30 years...Shearer , Le Tissier .
Wow.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 08, 2025, 10:23:35 PM
I'm sure the list is endless over the last 30 years...Shearer , Le Tissier .
Wow.
Oh, Coops.
You can take the boy out of the original poster, but you can't take the original poster out of the boy.
Oh, hang on...
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 08, 2025, 10:41:54 PM
If someone offers £100 million he’s gone. Nobody will at this stage of his career yet. Another full season of progress then maybe.I'd snap the hand of anyone offering 100Million for Morgan Rogers.
I don’t know why really. He’s already brilliant, his ceiling is unbelievably high.
Cant believe what im hearing. Why are we talking about selling arguably our best player?
I wouldn't contemplate selling him for any price unless he actually wanted to go.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 09, 2025, 10:06:59 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 09, 2025, 10:13:41 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 09, 2025, 11:40:07 AM
As Dave said, if we're cashing in on an established first team player this summer my money would be firmly on Watkins.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2025, 11:58:28 AM
It’s hypocritical as nobody will offer that amount just yet. I don’t think he’s worth it just yet either. I may change my mind on this by the end of the season though. Even so, if someone did offer us that, yes, we’d sell in my opinion.Do you mean hypothetical?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 09, 2025, 12:06:26 PM
It’s hypocritical as nobody will offer that amount just yet. I don’t think he’s worth it just yet either. I may change my mind on this by the end of the season though. Even so, if someone did offer us that, yes, we’d sell in my opinion.
Do you mean hypothetical?
I assumed he did, and that it was the bloody autocorrect at it again.
Post by: Drummond on April 09, 2025, 12:07:58 PM
It’s hypocritical as nobody will offer that amount just yet. I don’t think he’s worth it just yet either. I may change my mind on this by the end of the season though. Even so, if someone did offer us that, yes, we’d sell in my opinion.
Do you mean hypothetical?
I assumed he did, and that it was the broody autocorrect at it again.
Yep always wanting more.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 09, 2025, 01:16:03 PM
It’s hypocritical as nobody will offer that amount just yet. I don’t think he’s worth it just yet either. I may change my mind on this by the end of the season though. Even so, if someone did offer us that, yes, we’d sell in my opinion.
Do you mean hypothetical?
I assumed he did, and that it was the broody autocorrect at it again.
Yep always wanting more.
Autocorrect is a great invention except when it isn’t.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 09, 2025, 01:43:47 PM
I assumed he did, and that it was the broody autocorrect at it again.
Yep always wanting more.
Same thing happened to me when I was discussing this year's Oscar winners.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 09, 2025, 08:38:35 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 09, 2025, 10:04:38 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 09, 2025, 10:11:10 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 09, 2025, 10:37:38 PM
To be fair to him he scored and was one of the few players that drove us forward.
His shooting is often disappointing though.
Post by: eye digress on April 10, 2025, 10:16:45 AM
To be fair to him he scored and was one of the few players that drove us forward.Watching on, looked to me like Morgan felt at home at that level.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 10, 2025, 11:53:51 AM
To be fair to him he scored and was one of the few players that drove us forward.
His shooting is often disappointing though.
If there is one criticism for me, it's that he gives the ball away cheaply a bit too often at times. If he can sort that out then he has a very, very high ceiling as some of the stuff he does in games is exceptional.
I would have to say that I don't think playing on the right suits him though.
Post by: AV82EC on April 10, 2025, 11:57:15 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 12, 2025, 06:33:47 PM
Post by: Rigadon on April 13, 2025, 10:29:47 AM
I still prefer him when he's not on the right. I feel like we don't get full fat Rogers, there.
Yep. He's defo more effective going through the middle, or even from the left.
Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2025, 10:41:03 AM
I still prefer him when he's not on the right. I feel like we don't get full fat Rogers, there.
Yep. He's defo more effective going through the middle, or even from the left.
But he's still very effective off the right and certainly more so than this season's Bailey.
Post by: Rigadon on April 13, 2025, 10:41:59 AM
I still prefer him when he's not on the right. I feel like we don't get full fat Rogers, there.
Yep. He's defo more effective going through the middle, or even from the left.
But he's still very effective off the right and certainly more so than this season's Bailey.
Oh yes indeed. Bailey seems done, but you never know.
Post by: Clampy on April 13, 2025, 10:44:17 AM
Post by: Ian. on April 13, 2025, 11:02:35 AM
I still prefer him when he's not on the right. I feel like we don't get full fat Rogers, there.
Yep. He's defo more effective going through the middle, or even from the left.
But he's still very effective off the right and certainly more so than this season's Bailey.
He's bloody brilliant anywhere on the pitch.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 13, 2025, 02:38:36 PM
We could have done with Bailey in the first half yesterday to try give us some.width. I still think he'll play an important part between now and the end of the season.
If he plays again. Has there been much said about his injury? Without being TOO footy, him being missing did coincide with the TV show being aired.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 13, 2025, 03:34:12 PM
I still prefer him when he's not on the right. I feel like we don't get full fat Rogers, there.
Yep. He's defo more effective going through the middle, or even from the left.
But he's still very effective off the right and certainly more so than this season's Bailey.
He's bloody brilliant anywhere on the pitch.
The thing is, you just don't see him receiving the ball and running at people anywhere close to as much when he is on the right. I miss that. I agree on Bailey, mind.
Post by: SaddVillan on April 14, 2025, 08:49:21 AM
Morgan Rogers plays and plays and plays – even with PSG decider on the horizon
As Unai Emery reeled through a list of possible absentees, it was hardly surprising that Morgan Rogers’ name was not mentioned.
The day before this weekend’s Premier League trip to already-relegated Southampton, Emery responded to a question regarding Aston Villa’s depth and why competition for places invariably means greater rotation.
“To have (John) McGinn on the bench now is a possibility,” he began. “To have Jacob Ramsey on the bench now is a possibility. To have Ollie Watkins on the bench is a possibility.”
Emery says his players must accept they will not be used in every game, yet the same notion does not apparently apply to Rogers.
Along with goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez and fellow midfielder Youri Tielemans, the 22-year-old forms part of an unshakeable trio of essential starters. Together, they are the only three Villa players to accrue over 2,500 minutes of Premier League game time so far this season and, in the case of Rogers, the one match he was absent for, the 2-1 win against Leicester City in January, was because of suspension.
Emery has made 20 changes to his starting XI in the past three matches but those three have started each time. They each add a key ingredient to Villa’s style: be it Martinez, this team’s chief and biggest presence, Tielemans the tempo-setter or Rogers, the multi-faceted attacker.
Predictably, all three were chosen to start against Southampton on Saturday, despite the fixture being sandwiched between the two legs of a Champions League quarter-final against Paris Saint-Germain.
And even in what was a stilted match played in an increasingly irritable atmosphere, Rogers and Tielemans delivered with an assist each. Critically, both came in a second half where Marco Asensio had missed two penalties and Villa were struggling to open their stride against a home defence who started letting out triumphant roars after winning a header and briefly thought a rare point was on the horizon.
Tielemans’ pass for Watkins to open the scoring on 73 minutes broke Southampton’s spirit before Rogers — having moved centrally after a frustrating first hour playing on the right — received the ball between the lines and set up Donyell Malen to double the lead six minutes later.
There have been times this season when close observers, and Villa themselves, would have preferred for Rogers to play fewer minutes and to come off earlier in matches. But with his team only rarely seeing off opponents before the break, the England international has carried on playing. In the hours following certain games, Rogers has been seen struggling to even walk, such has been his tiredness and the level of work he gets through.
Villa, however, have been mindful. Rogers has been granted days off to help him recover and before he received a senior England call-up in September, Emery was publicly critical of his selection for England Under-21s.
Rogers is incredibly robust and has the talent to match. His opening goal in last week’s first leg against PSG was his most high-profile so far and came on the type of grand stage where he will likely remain for the rest of his career. It was the sixth goal he has been directly involved in during Villa’s Champions League campaign.
Signed from Middlesbrough of the Championship in last season’s January transfer window, Rogers has already attracted several suitors but is viewed as Villa’s biggest asset and signed a new contract until 2030 in November.
The attacking midfielder and Emery share a profound enthusiasm for watching football, with Rogers a keen admirer of Germany’s Bundesliga and La Liga in Spain. While their relationship can be frank and Emery can be tough on him, it is all done with a purpose: Rogers maximising his boundless potential.
For over an hour at the St Mary’s Stadium on Saturday, Rogers characterised Villa’s simmering annoyance as they were unable to break down a rudimentary Southampton who, under interim management after sacking Ivan Juric last week once their relegation was confirmed, sat deep, took their time with restarts, and got the ball forward quickly. They were aggressive and attempted to rattle Villa’s players, with Rogers a particular target.
Home supporters started singing, “He’s going to cry in a minute” at the end of the first half after Rogers protested in disbelief at being denied a corner. Southampton captain Jack Stephens marked him tightly and pulled at his shirt, with Rogers once more questioning referee Thomas Bramall’s decisions.
With Asensio returning to the No 10 position, Rogers was deployed on the right and received the ball in wide, non-threatening areas. He had few opportunities to drift centrally and demonstrate his unique ball-carrying ability.
In that aspect, Rogers has learned from his captain McGinn in using his body intelligently under pressure. Rogers is naturally bigger than your average player but felt there was scope for improvement in shimmying out of danger and being more evasive against compact teams.
Emery introduced two attackers, Watkins and Malen, in the 66th minute, yet there was little danger that Rogers would be one of those to make way. Rather, Emery shifted him to the left — a position better suited for him to move inside and closer to his most productive areas.
This ultimately materialised for Malen’s goal, with Rogers’ assist his seventh in the league this season, moving him ahead of Watkins and Tielemans as Villa’s leading creator. Similarly, no Villa player has received as many passes in high areas, with Emery constructing a build-up style designed to funnel the ball past the opponents’ midfield and in to Rogers.
Malen ran between Southampton’s left centre-back and left-back, while Watkins made the same precise movement the same from the other side. Rogers, however, has made significant strides in his end product and after taking the ball on the half-turn, he made the right decision to pass to Malen with his supposedly weaker left foot, who shot hard and low past Aaron Ramsdale.
Unsurprisingly, this proved to be Rogers’ final tangible action of the game.
Having been burnt once away at Tottenham Hotspur in November — taking Rogers off with the scores level at 1-1 on 69 minutes only for Villa to collapse to a 4-1 defeat — Emery only now removes him when he is totally comfortable in doing so. Villa’s second goal against Southampton provided such serenity.
Asensio was responsible for a second penalty miss in stoppage time but McGinn, Rogers’ 85th-minute replacement and, in some ways, mentor, stole in to bury the rebound. It was far from ideal for Rogers and Tielemans, who did the full 90, to have played as long as they did, considering Villa will begin their bid to overturn PSG’s 3-1 lead on Tuesday little more than 72 hours after this match finished, but, as Emery reaffirmed afterwards, doing as well as possible in the Premier League remains his priority.
“It is not easy to play at the level we demand in matches in a row without being injured,” said Emery. “Youri and Morgan are being very important and consistent. I am always analysing if we can take some minutes to rest them, but until now, they are playing with the demands we need.”
Villa are peaking at the right time but have been held together by their spine of Martinez, Tielemans and Rogers — this season’s standout performers and the trusted trio who keep on playing no matter what tests lie in wait.
Post by: paul_e on April 14, 2025, 03:05:33 PM
I still prefer him when he's not on the right. I feel like we don't get full fat Rogers, there.
Yep. He's defo more effective going through the middle, or even from the left.
But he's still very effective off the right and certainly more so than this season's Bailey.
He's bloody brilliant anywhere on the pitch.
The thing is, you just don't see him receiving the ball and running at people anywhere close to as much when he is on the right. I miss that. I agree on Bailey, mind.
This is true, and is why people think he's not as good there, but 2 goals and 5 assists in 10 from the right is very good.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2025, 06:47:12 PM
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 14, 2025, 09:50:30 PM
Once he has honed his skills in the final third he will be a world class player . Whoever identified him Monchi / Emery ? It's fantastic vision .
Better vision than most of the Boro fans who saw him most weeks .
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 14, 2025, 09:58:39 PM
He's due on the Monday Night Club on Radio 5 in a few minutes.
How was he?
Post by: VillaTim on April 14, 2025, 10:06:40 PM
He's an uncut gem . That's where the talent scouts like Monchi kick in .Once he has honed his skills in the final third he will be a world class player . Whoever identified him Monchi / Emery ? It's fantastic vision .
Better vision than most of the Boro fans who saw him most weeks .
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 14, 2025, 10:44:25 PM
I think they feel they can do this.
Getting excited now
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 14, 2025, 10:47:32 PM
He's due on the Monday Night Club on Radio 5 in a few minutes.
How was he?
Came across well but it was pretty short, as was the preview of our game tomorrow. Let's just say they spent more time discussing how great Alisson is, and Arsenal's title chances next season.
Post by: tom jennings III on April 14, 2025, 11:45:57 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2025, 12:56:38 AM
He's due on the Monday Night Club on Radio 5 in a few minutes.
How was he?
Came across well but it was pretty short, as was the preview of our game tomorrow. Let's just say they spent more time discussing how great Alisson is, and Arsenal's title chances next season.
Seriously? For the love of Carl Cox...
Post by: nigel on April 15, 2025, 09:57:10 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 15, 2025, 10:04:45 PM
No doubt he'll be back on Saturday full of energy.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2025, 10:05:26 PM
For the first time this season I thought he looked knackered. Second half it looked like his legs had completely gone. Fortunately we have options and with some big games coming up we'll need him to play his part.
No doubt he'll be back on Saturday full of energy.
Where we missed Bailey.
Post by: brontebilly on April 16, 2025, 08:01:19 PM
For the first time this season I thought he looked knackered. Second half it looked like his legs had completely gone. Fortunately we have options and with some big games coming up we'll need him to play his part.
No doubt he'll be back on Saturday full of energy.
Where we missed Bailey.
He was on the bench last night. Emery hates not having Rogers on the pitch at all times but I really don't like him in that position. Makes the job of the right back very difficult too.
Post by: dcdavecollett on April 17, 2025, 02:32:19 AM
Post by: Clampy on April 17, 2025, 06:57:52 AM
For the first time this season I thought he looked knackered. Second half it looked like his legs had completely gone. Fortunately we have options and with some big games coming up we'll need him to play his part.
No doubt he'll be back on Saturday full of energy.
Where we missed Bailey.
I don't think we missed him the other night. I thought we against Southampton, in the first half especially.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 27, 2025, 11:14:45 AM
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2025, 11:17:12 AM
Let’s be honest here. He really isn’t that good is he? He has his moments where he can be great but overall, like yesterday, he’s practically a waste of a shirt if he isn’t on his game.
Erm, you can say the same for any player. I'm sure Messi was a bit absent at times. Morgan Rogers has gone from a £15m bargain to a, what? £75mill player in 18 months. 3 England caps too. He's been excellent for the most part, been involved in lots of goals, scored a few too. He's not very good? Blimey. I reckon he will be in the running for young player of the year.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 27, 2025, 11:19:56 AM
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 27, 2025, 11:22:06 AM
Anyone who thinks Rogers has not been a good signing or is not a good footballer can't have been watching us very much.
I’ve watched him in every game this season. He’s had some great games but he also goes missing in many. So I conclude that he’s not as good as we think he is. Did he do anything of note yesterday?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2025, 11:23:46 AM
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2025, 11:26:43 AM
Anyone who thinks Rogers has not been a good signing or is not a good footballer can't have been watching us very much.
I’ve watched him in every game this season. He’s had some great games but he also goes missing in many. So I conclude that he’s not as good as we think he is. Did he do anything of note yesterday?
Sorry Brend but you using the term 'we' means that the rest of us should think the same as you. Sorry, but I don't agree with you.
Post by: Clampy on April 27, 2025, 11:29:53 AM
Anyone who thinks Rogers has not been a good signing or is not a good footballer can't have been watching us very much.
I’ve watched him in every game this season. He’s had some great games but he also goes missing in many. So I conclude that he’s not as good as we think he is. Did he do anything of note yesterday?
He's 22. He will go missing in games, players of that age tend to. He's not going to do it in every game. There's room for improvement obviously but overall, he's been a superb signing.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 27, 2025, 11:31:41 AM
Anyone who thinks Rogers has not been a good signing or is not a good footballer can't have been watching us very much.
I’ve watched him in every game this season. He’s had some great games but he also goes missing in many. So I conclude that he’s not as good as we think he is. Did he do anything of note yesterday?
Sorry Brend but you using the term 'we' means that the rest of us should think the same as you. Sorry, but I don't agree with you.
No, the “we” is perfectly correct as most on here think he’s really great. I’m in the minority as I think he isn’t that great.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2025, 11:35:49 AM
Rogers would have a better chance of performing if we played him in his best position and weren't flogging him to death.
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Post by: Ian. on April 27, 2025, 12:14:18 PM
Anyone who thinks Rogers has not been a good signing or is not a good footballer can't have been watching us very much.
I’ve watched him in every game this season. He’s had some great games but he also goes missing in many. So I conclude that he’s not as good as we think he is. Did he do anything of note yesterday?
Sorry Brend but you using the term 'we' means that the rest of us should think the same as you. Sorry, but I don't agree with you.
No, the “we” is perfectly correct as most on here think he’s really great. I’m in the minority as I think he isn’t that great.
He’s generally one our best players, I struggle to agree with you on this one.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2025, 12:17:49 PM
His potential is enormous but he has been overplayed recently.
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Post by: LeeB on April 27, 2025, 12:28:57 PM
Rogers is a good player that has exceptional moments.
His potential is enormous but he has been overplayed recently.
I've got some sympathy with Ben's post, I was very worried earlier in the season we'd based our entire attacking strategy around a kid that had an explosive 6 months.
I felt that had been addressed with the winter signings but he's been flogged a bit of on the wing instead when maybe there were chances to avoid that with the work we'd done.
Don't get me wrong, he's capable of great things but I think we've pushed him a bit too hard too soon.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2025, 12:51:32 PM
That’s the price for European football. We need our best players and unfortunately if we could field players as good as Roger’s we would. The drop off is too much, same applies to Tielemans. Who can play that role at the moment other than him?
Where? On the right he is mediocre. Done great centrally with his stats.
We aren't doing much next season if our regular right hand side is Rogers and Disasi signed on a permanent at RB!
For last four games I want to see this front 4.......Malen------Rogers------Ramsey
Watkins
Maatsen at LB aswell please. Sorry to Unai if that isn't enough "control" for him but we need to be winning the last four to have a serious chance of CL.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 27, 2025, 01:01:51 PM
He was awful yesterday and Tuesday and worryingly for me, was his body language on Tuesday at least was all wrong, could of got sent off and seemed to snub Emery when he came off. Maybe he’s just knackered and frustrated.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2025, 01:42:18 PM
I wonder what the business was with him screwing his face up at Watkins before the second half kicked off.
Maybe Ollie asked him if he fancied going to the boxing with him, Konzie and Rashy.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 28, 2025, 11:23:23 AM
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Post by: Chris Smith on April 28, 2025, 11:41:27 AM
He's been a great signing and I agree that he is likely the future of the club but by God he has some stinkers. He can be incredibly lax in possession but I accept this is also a result of him trying to make things happen. I also agree that playing on the right doesn't help in this context because we're asking him to do too much defensively if we want him to be our attacking fulcrum.
Agree, it might come good given time but the moment fitting him and Asensio into the same team hasn’t been a great success.
Post by: London Villan on April 28, 2025, 11:45:45 AM
Number 10s lose the ball, it was ever thus.
Which is acceptable when he plays as a 10. As a right-side midfielder he has some responsibilities, like stopping wingers shooting from outside the box...
Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2025, 11:48:40 AM
Number 10s lose the ball, it was ever thus.
Which is acceptable when he plays as a 10. As a right-side midfielder he has some responsibilities, like stopping wingers shooting from outside the box...
Perhaps, but that's on the manager and doesn't make him shit.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 28, 2025, 11:50:05 AM
Granted he didn't do anything on Saturday but neither did those around him. Around 75 minutes stats were shown on the number of times our players had touched the ball in the opposition box, Watkins was behind Pau Torres who had a count of two. I'm not blaming Watkins or any other player for Saturday, that responsibility firmly falls at the feet of Unai. He had a stinker. Everybody paid the price.
Post by: London Villan on April 28, 2025, 11:54:18 AM
Hindight is great - but I wish Unai had rotated him and Asensio more over he last few weeks.
Post by: rooboy316 on April 28, 2025, 01:09:39 PM
Some of his passing was woeful on Saturday… hopefully it’s just fatigue creeping in.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 28, 2025, 01:42:16 PM
I do think that Rogers is trying to do a little too much at times and that is when he loses the ball.
Great player who surely will only get better but needs to make a position his own.
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2025, 01:43:04 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 28, 2025, 01:48:12 PM
If he's fit, he plays every minute of every single game for me.
You're on the same page as Unai with that
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2025, 02:09:25 PM
He is far from shit. He has massive potential and has proved that he has the talent. Unsurprisingly at 22 he has to learn and develop parts of his game, but being flogged to death has caused his drop off in these last couple of games.
Hindight is great - but I wish Unai had rotated him and Asensio more over he last few weeks.
He struggles on that right hand side as he hasn't got the electric pace to go past players on the outside and isn't particularly strong cutting in on his left. He looks most comfortable on the left or in the 'number 10' role and I hope he moves back there sooner rather than later (although I accept we haven't had many other options on the right recently).
Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2025, 02:15:19 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2025, 02:22:56 PM
If he's fit, he plays every minute of every single game for me.
I agree, it’s just the distinction of what is “fit”. He’s a brilliant player.
Post by: Smithy on April 28, 2025, 02:32:25 PM
If he's fit, he plays every minute of every single game for me.
I agree, it’s just the distinction of what is “fit”. He’s a brilliant player.
You can be fit, and also exhausted. He looked about a half a yard off it in the semi-final, and had his pocket picked more often than we're used to seeing. With the amount of data the fitness teams have about amount of work players are doing, you'd hope they know when he needs a rest, but I hope he's fit and firing for the last four games, as we're a much better side when he's in it and playing well.
Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2025, 02:35:34 PM
Post by: Ian. on April 28, 2025, 09:25:17 PM
If he's fit, he plays every minute of every single game for me.
Yes, definitely. He has to play, he’s our most positive and productive player.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 28, 2025, 10:24:21 PM
He's been a great signing and I agree that he is likely the future of the club but by God he has some stinkers. He can be incredibly lax in possession but I accept this is also a result of him trying to make things happen. I also agree that playing on the right doesn't help in this context because we're asking him to do too much defensively if we want him to be our attacking fulcrum.
Agree, it might come good given time but the moment fitting him and Asensio into the same team hasn’t been a great success.
Probably won’t have to worry about that next season.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 29, 2025, 04:03:33 PM
@MiguelDelaney
Chelsea targeting Morgan Rogers for summer.
Aston Villa obviously don’t want to sell but there’s a feeling in football that PSR “churn” is going to force clubs into transfer decisions they wouldn’t otherwise make
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 29, 2025, 05:06:58 PM
There's just no way he goes unless we're in a crippling financial position. Emery loves him as evidenced by the fact the poor bastard has been flogged half to death all season and the fans almost universally adore him.
Exactly. It would have to be an insane bid. Chelsea will be linked to everyone again, as per.
Post by: olaftab on April 29, 2025, 05:07:02 PM
Miguel DelaneyChelsea need Onana and Barkley. £50M for both.
@MiguelDelaney
Chelsea targeting Morgan Rogers for summer.
Aston Villa obviously don’t want to sell but there’s a feeling in football that PSR “churn” is going to force clubs into transfer decisions they wouldn’t otherwise make
Post by: Somniloquism on April 29, 2025, 05:44:18 PM
Miguel Delaney
@MiguelDelaney
Chelsea targeting Morgan Rogers for summer.
Aston Villa obviously don’t want to sell but there’s a feeling in football that PSR “churn” is going to force clubs into transfer decisions they wouldn’t otherwise make
The only way he is going there is if they lose Palmer to the churn as well.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2025, 09:59:12 PM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 30, 2025, 08:50:42 AM
Don’t think there’s a chance of that. I reckon he’s arguably the last player Unai would want to sell.
Agreed, but it might not be that simple. If it comes down to a choice between selling half the midfield and the goalie or selling Rogers, it might be deemed less disruptive to lose just the one. Especially if he has faith in Asensio and he wants to stay.
Post by: adrenachrome on April 30, 2025, 09:16:49 AM
Don’t think there’s a chance of that. I reckon he’s arguably the last player Unai would want to sell.
Agreed, but it might not be that simple. If it comes down to a choice between selling half the midfield and the goalie or selling Rogers, it might be deemed less disruptive to lose just the one. Especially if he has faith in Asensio and he wants to stay.
Don't think so.
Rogers has the ability to turn and drive through defences. This is a big part of our game.
The fact that teams have worked this out and nullified it to a certain extent will soon be resolved, if I am any judge.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 30, 2025, 09:25:33 AM
Post by: johnc on April 30, 2025, 09:28:07 AM
I don't think Palmer would help out much with PSR. He has had apoor second half of seasonMiguel Delaney
@MiguelDelaney
Chelsea targeting Morgan Rogers for summer.
Aston Villa obviously don’t want to sell but there’s a feeling in football that PSR “churn” is going to force clubs into transfer decisions they wouldn’t otherwise make
The only way he is going there is if they lose Palmer to the churn as well.
Post by: Dave on April 30, 2025, 09:29:44 AM
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Post by: rob_bridge on April 30, 2025, 11:09:38 AM
Whilst I've no idea if the story has any legs, I guess we are going to have to get used to losing at least one player a year we want to keep.
i think we will be like Leicester of 7 or 8 years ago. And Brighton more recently.
Stupid money to help with PSR.
So one of Emi, Kamara, Youri, Ollie quite likely to be gone in the summer when you are looking at base sums. We need Onana to have 4 Worldie games so he looks like a 100m player not a 10m one.
I'd imagine Digne will be off due to wages.
Post by: Rigadon on April 30, 2025, 11:12:20 AM
Whilst I've no idea if the story has any legs, I guess we are going to have to get used to losing at least one player a year we want to keep.
Depends which Euro league we're playing in too I suppose. Rogers and Tielemans (closely followed by McGinn and Watkins) are our most important players. McGinnn's next move is probably 'downwards'. All of the others will be in demand if we end up 7th but I'd back us to keep them for different reasons. Having said that, I don't expect Rogers to be here long term if his career keeps falling the same trajectory.
Post by: Ads on April 30, 2025, 11:13:08 AM
Post by: Rigadon on April 30, 2025, 11:14:29 AM
I suspect the £70m for Duran probably sees us pretty safe from a major sale this summer, with £80/90m of additional CL money to go into the next accounts.
Yes, we're better insulated this year from a financial perspective you'd have thought.
Post by: OCD on April 30, 2025, 11:24:11 AM
I suspect the £70m for Duran probably sees us pretty safe from a major sale this summer, with £80/90m of additional CL money to go into the next accounts.
I don't think we'd have spent £20m+ on Malen if we could see PSR problems in 6 months time. Another loan might have sufficed.
Post by: AV82EC on April 30, 2025, 12:18:44 PM
No Europe - 2 major sales
conf League - 1 major sale and an additional “swap” transfer for PSR/SCR
Europa League - 1 major sale
Champions League - no sales.
However if we do end up in Conf League or no Europe there is a benefit to be had of potentially better domestic League income due to a potentially better PL season so a bit swings and roundabouts.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2025, 12:46:36 PM
I don't think qualifying for either of these would really have any impact on need to buy and sell. The difference between being in, and doing well in, the CL as we have done this year, and not being in it, is absolutely huge. Tens of millions.
Post by: AV82EC on April 30, 2025, 02:09:02 PM
I don't think Conference League really has any impact financially, it's worth buttons. As is the Europa League to a degree.
I don't think qualifying for either of these would really have any impact on need to buy and sell. The difference between being in, and doing well in, the CL as we have done this year, and not being in it, is absolutely huge. Tens of millions.
I’d say Conf League is worth £20m as per last season but I’d say a good run to the latter stages of the Europa League would be £40m surely?
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 30, 2025, 02:20:36 PM
I don't think Conference League really has any impact financially, it's worth buttons. As is the Europa League to a degree.agree , the problem is our wage /revenue ratio is extreme and so significant adjustments will need to be made without CL revenue.
I don't think qualifying for either of these would really have any impact on need to buy and sell. The difference between being in, and doing well in, the CL as we have done this year, and not being in it, is absolutely huge. Tens of millions.
Post by: Dave on April 30, 2025, 02:23:13 PM
I don't think Conference League really has any impact financially, it's worth buttons. As is the Europa League to a degree.
I don't think qualifying for either of these would really have any impact on need to buy and sell. The difference between being in, and doing well in, the CL as we have done this year, and not being in it, is absolutely huge. Tens of millions.
I’d say Conf League is worth £20m as per last season but I’d say a good run to the latter stages of the Europa League would be £40m surely?
A quick Google suggests Spurs have got around £15m from their run to the semi-finals, and winning it means their total amount gained will be around £25m.
Post by: AV82EC on April 30, 2025, 02:58:45 PM
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 30, 2025, 04:06:38 PM
I don't think Conference League really has any impact financially, it's worth buttons. As is the Europa League to a degree.
I don't think qualifying for either of these would really have any impact on need to buy and sell. The difference between being in, and doing well in, the CL as we have done this year, and not being in it, is absolutely huge. Tens of millions.
The Conference League is bad for us, because it requires us to have a big squad to complete the fixtures without generating the revenue to pay for them.
And that's without considering the incovenience it causes in terms of having to travel to the middle of nowhere on a Thursday, and potentiallymessing with our Premier League fixtures and our energy levels when playing in them.
The Europa League is winnable for us - especially if we can maintain or improve on our current squad, and the prize for winning it is extremely valuable.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 30, 2025, 04:11:12 PM
I don't think Conference League really has any impact financially, it's worth buttons. As is the Europa League to a degree.
I don't think qualifying for either of these would really have any impact on need to buy and sell. The difference between being in, and doing well in, the CL as we have done this year, and not being in it, is absolutely huge. Tens of millions.
I’d say Conf League is worth £20m as per last season but I’d say a good run to the latter stages of the Europa League would be £40m surely?
A quick Google suggests Spurs have got around £15m from their run to the semi-finals, and winning it means their total amount gained will be around £25m.
Is there any breakdown of that into TV and stadium income as they will generate much more of the latter than we would?
Post by: Somniloquism on April 30, 2025, 04:22:42 PM
I don't think Conference League really has any impact financially, it's worth buttons. As is the Europa League to a degree.
I don't think qualifying for either of these would really have any impact on need to buy and sell. The difference between being in, and doing well in, the CL as we have done this year, and not being in it, is absolutely huge. Tens of millions.
The Conference League is bad for us, because it requires us to have a big squad to complete the fixtures without generating the revenue to pay for them.
And that's without considering the incovenience it causes in terms of having to travel to the middle of nowhere on a Thursday, and potentiallymessing with our Premier League fixtures and our energy levels when playing in them.
The Europa League is winnable for us - especially if we can maintain or improve on our current squad, and the prize for winning it is extremely valuable.
There are two less fixtures in the Conference then the other two, and Chelsea have shown they can definitely compete in the earlier stages with the reserves/ youth / bombsquad as they only added Palmer to the squad during the change window.
Post by: Steve67 on April 30, 2025, 04:24:23 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 30, 2025, 05:32:40 PM
I don't think Conference League really has any impact financially, it's worth buttons. As is the Europa League to a degree.
I don't think qualifying for either of these would really have any impact on need to buy and sell. The difference between being in, and doing well in, the CL as we have done this year, and not being in it, is absolutely huge. Tens of millions.
The Conference League is bad for us, because it requires us to have a big squad to complete the fixtures without generating the revenue to pay for them.
And that's without considering the incovenience it causes in terms of having to travel to the middle of nowhere on a Thursday, and potentiallymessing with our Premier League fixtures and our energy levels when playing in them.
The Europa League is winnable for us - especially if we can maintain or improve on our current squad, and the prize for winning it is extremely valuable.
There are two less fixtures in the Conference then the other two, and Chelsea have shown they can definitely compete in the earlier stages with the reserves/ youth / bombsquad as they only added Palmer to the squad during the change window.
Works out the same as you have to play two qualifying games to get into it.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 30, 2025, 06:12:43 PM
Surely, no European football can be BAD for the club?
Of course it can - I want to win everything we can win, and the more competitions we are allowed into, the higher the chance of some form of glory.
I loved the run to the semi finals of the Conference League, too. Just saying that financially, if it's not the Champions League, it's not a route to direct, great riches.
Post by: Tuscans on April 30, 2025, 06:36:31 PM
Liverpool and Chelsea have been both monitoring him, considered as a top winger… but Aston Villa absolutely want to keep Rogers.
Post by: LeeB on April 30, 2025, 06:39:25 PM
🚨 Morgan Rogers keep attracting interest from several big clubs after excellent season.
Liverpool and Chelsea have been both monitoring him, considered as a top winger… but Aston Villa absolutely want to keep Rogers.
You can tell it's made up bullshit when they say 'top winger'.
Divs.
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 01, 2025, 01:17:46 PM
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2025, 01:21:47 PM
Rogers might be a tap in for young player of the year. I'm struggling to think of any young players who've tore up trees this season. Delap got a few goals for a struggling side, Dibbling got hyped but didn't impact any games. Amad looked good before his injury. Palmer and saka havn't done much.
Definitely not impossible.
Elanga or Gravenberch would probably be the competition. Or Palmer based on the first half of the season.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 01, 2025, 01:58:02 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 01, 2025, 02:07:33 PM
Post by: brontebilly on May 01, 2025, 03:04:03 PM
Rogers might be a tap in for young player of the year. I'm struggling to think of any young players who've tore up trees this season. Delap got a few goals for a struggling side, Dibbling got hyped but didn't impact any games. Amad looked good before his injury. Palmer and saka havn't done much.
Palmer has 14 PL goals and 8 assists. Not sure what's happened his form lately but he was on fire earlier in the season. Rogers not quite at that level. Still 50 games played in all comps so far is some going from MR.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2025, 03:17:43 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 01, 2025, 07:24:19 PM
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 01, 2025, 07:29:09 PM
I don't think Conference League really has any impact financially, it's worth buttons. As is the Europa League to a degree.
I don't think qualifying for either of these would really have any impact on need to buy and sell. The difference between being in, and doing well in, the CL as we have done this year, and not being in it, is absolutely huge. Tens of millions.
The Conference League is bad for us, because it requires us to have a big squad to complete the fixtures without generating the revenue to pay for them.
And that's without considering the incovenience it causes in terms of having to travel to the middle of nowhere on a Thursday, and potentiallymessing with our Premier League fixtures and our energy levels when playing in them.
The Europa League is winnable for us - especially if we can maintain or improve on our current squad, and the prize for winning it is extremely valuable.
There are two less fixtures in the Conference then the other two, and Chelsea have shown they can definitely compete in the earlier stages with the reserves/ youth / bombsquad as they only added Palmer to the squad during the change window.
Chelsea are not a club we can emulate or should seek to emulate in that manner. Chelsea basically had a separate squad for the Conference League and have had to undertake all sorts of financial engineering tricks to manage that.
We can't afford to have 30-40 active players in the squad at the same time as Chelsea have done; especially as the Conference League generates relative buttons.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 01, 2025, 07:33:09 PM
Surely he's about 35, now? He's been around for years.
I assumed he was the same age as Rogers. Must be that stupid goal celebration they do.
Post by: SaddVillan on May 15, 2025, 01:42:27 PM
Vote early, vote often
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2025, 01:44:43 PM
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Post by: Tuscans on May 20, 2025, 11:18:11 PM
@TheAthleticFC
's Premier League young player of the season, voted by subscribers and our team of writers.
A wonderful, unique footballer. IMO, there has not been a rise as swift or sharp as Rogers.
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2025, 12:32:50 AM
Post by: Louzie0 on May 21, 2025, 05:59:11 PM
It was especially impressive to see him ( and JJ) congratulating the team after the U18 Villa Cup win; those lads would have felt so proud of themselves.
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 22, 2025, 02:17:35 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 22, 2025, 08:42:42 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on May 22, 2025, 11:00:13 AM
Post by: Tuscans on May 22, 2025, 11:14:57 AM
@JPercyTelegraph
Post by: Monty on May 22, 2025, 11:27:22 AM
🚨 NEW: Morgan Rogers is admired by Chelsea but it is understood that Aston Villa will not consider his sale at any price.
@JPercyTelegraph
Fuck yeah.
Post by: amfy on May 22, 2025, 02:36:09 PM
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Post by: Rigadon on May 25, 2025, 12:42:29 PM
Every player has a price, they just haven’t hit Morgan’s as yet. I’m sure if they came up with 125 million it would be considered. We are a business after all but should be in the business of telling Chelsea, for example, to fuck off.
If we were to sell Rogers to Chelsea, actually for any fee, we might as well pack it in.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2025, 01:05:13 PM
Every player has a price, they just haven’t hit Morgan’s as yet. I’m sure if they came up with 125 million it would be considered. We are a business after all but should be in the business of telling Chelsea, for example, to fuck off.
If we were to sell Rogers to Chelsea, actually for any fee, we might as well pack it in.
I broadly agree. He’s pretty much the last player I’d sell. The only way I’d consider is if it was something so ludicrous that they’d never pay it anyway (£200m or something)
Post by: Hillbilly on May 25, 2025, 01:16:11 PM
Post by: Rigadon on May 25, 2025, 01:55:09 PM
I watched a video explaining why he’s so effective. Big, skilful, and very aware of what’s going on around him. He’s basically Zidane.
I don't think it's fanciful or outrageous to suggest he could reach that level. He's still very young and it's scary how good he could be in a few years if he stays on the same trajectory. Selling him now would be depressing. I've no doubt there'll be a queue, and I've no doubt he'd 'be open' to a move to a club he perceived as contenders for the PL / CL, but if the Villa are serious about being a contender ourselves, selling him would be a huge step backwards.
I don't think we will sell him anyway, not this summer, and certainly not to that lot.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2025, 06:52:22 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on May 25, 2025, 08:41:51 PM
Post by: brontebilly on May 25, 2025, 08:41:56 PM
Great first half of season, Anonymous for most of the 2nd part. I think the hype has given him a place to hide.
Positional change more to blame. I get the sense Emery needs to take a stronger line with him next season. He gets away with more than nearly every other player.
Post by: AV84 on May 25, 2025, 08:44:12 PM
Post by: andyh on May 25, 2025, 09:09:03 PM
He has ambled through games, not tracked back, been tackled far too easily and made atrocious decisions.
He has been completely out of the form we recognise him for.
But.
He has looked knackered. Utterly and completely knackered.
I presume his ‘numbers’ have been ok which is why he has continued to be selected.
But it’s not about numbers and science, it’s about on the field performances and his have been way off.
I hope he gets a rest this summer and comes back as the player we saw before February.
AND PLAYING ON THE LEFT.
Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2025, 09:09:16 PM
I think our January signings were great initially, but when we had a full squad to pick from, trying to fit everyone in was more disruptive than was helpful. Rogers was played out of position and his form dropped off.
This is of course backed up by us winning 8 of our last 10 league games and beating PSG at home once everyone was fit.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2025, 09:11:45 PM
Post by: AV84 on May 25, 2025, 09:12:18 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2025, 09:16:03 PM
I think our January signings were great initially, but when we had a full squad to pick from, trying to fit everyone in was more disruptive than was helpful. Rogers was played out of position and his form dropped off.
This is of course backed up by us winning 8 of our last 10 league games and beating PSG at home once everyone was fit.
We won lots of games at the start of the season with Rogers as AM. Think it was five of the first 8 in the league and Young Boys, Munich and Bologna beaten in CL.
To me his ability is negated too much on the right and he's on the fringes of the game. Centrally of course he needs to learn to pass quicker when running but at his best he's a supreme ball carrier that all the best teams need.
I don't mind Asensio coming back but not if the only option is he basically plays every game when he's fully fit at AM as that will limit Rogers too much.
He's also played a huge amount of minutes this season. I think when he was moved to the right people were expecting him to miss the odd game for Malen but it hasn't happened either.
At least him being named in the full England squad again means he won't be in the under 21s squad so will get a full month off to recover.
Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2025, 09:19:12 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2025, 09:21:25 PM
^ I'm talking about Rogers performances, not the results.
Yes, but your blaming his less productive 2nd half of the season on us having some actual depth in the squad, which allowed us to push from mid-table to nearly making the CL.
There are plenty of alternative explanations:
He's struggled with fitness and isn't as sharp as he was early the season.
His early season form led to managers singling him out for tactical decisions.
He's generally been a bit out of form.
All of those have had a major impact on his form.
Fingers crossed we find ways to address them without having to strip the squad down to 17-18 players capable of performing and hoping we don't get injuries.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2025, 09:32:32 PM
Post by: brontebilly on May 25, 2025, 09:33:25 PM
For a player who started as a winger, he's bobbins on the right. But there are basics that over the last 6-9 weeks he has simply done poorly. He has been very poor in possession, giving the ball away at will, and his impact has been massively reduced. I do though think he is better coming from deeper, but he is more of an 8 than an out and out 10 for me, but like Ramsey, is better on the left.
He's a 10 all day for me. When he gets turned on the ball high up the pitch he's a joy to watch. Wide areas aren't his friend.
Post by: ozzjim on May 26, 2025, 12:08:00 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 26, 2025, 11:23:38 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 27, 2025, 05:11:48 PM
Rogers carries the ball so well. Dribbling from a deeper (central) position gets the most from him and also does more to disrupt teams set up with a mid/low block.
He also, sometimes, doesn't take the ball in tight spaces as others. His first touch when surrounded can sometimes bounce off him.
Post by: paul_e on May 27, 2025, 05:39:51 PM
^^^ This.
Rogers carries the ball so well. Dribbling from a deeper (central) position gets the most from him and also does more to disrupt teams set up with a mid/low block.
He also, sometimes, doesn't take the ball in tight spaces as others. His first touch when surrounded can sometimes bounce off him.
Tuchel played him in that role for England, I pointed out how deep he was at the time.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 27, 2025, 05:58:08 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 01, 2025, 11:19:39 PM
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 01, 2025, 11:32:23 PM
Post by: robleflaneur on June 02, 2025, 12:04:37 AM
Centrally his technical skills can desert him but once we beat the press,he's electric but there will be better options centrally,players who can pass and keep the ball better eg Tielemans.
A good no.10 and another pacy wide player can free him more.
Tiredness,I'm not sure,he was often on fire in the last 20 minutes when there's more space available.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 02, 2025, 12:16:36 AM
Timmy tiny potatoes being a bit of a tit on the Villa forum.
He's the David Icke of H&V, but without the fashion sense.
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 02, 2025, 07:33:39 AM
He’s with Cole Palmer on his Instagram stories, must mean he’s moving to Chelsea!or Palmer is joining Villa
Post by: Drummond on June 02, 2025, 07:40:33 AM
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2025, 07:45:45 AM
I think it means they're both joining McLaren next season.
Bailey put in a good word for them to join up with the Jamaica squad.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 02, 2025, 08:11:55 AM
He’s with Cole Palmer on his Instagram stories, must mean he’s moving to Chelsea!or Palmer is joining Villa
I like your version better!
Post by: Somniloquism on June 02, 2025, 08:34:23 AM
Filmed over at Gresley Rovers in Swadlicote and during the week before the Sunday game so instead of being home he was doing this. That was the reason we, and particularly Rogers was shit.
Post by: andyh on June 08, 2025, 01:00:14 PM
In both, Rogers was absolutely unplayable coming in to a central position from the left.
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2025, 01:30:26 PM
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Post by: jwarry on June 15, 2025, 06:43:49 PM
I see Morgz is fronting Sky's latest Premier League ad campaign. I wonder which of the Big 6 he's off to.
Us?
Post by: DrGonzo on June 15, 2025, 11:00:36 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 16, 2025, 05:28:38 PM
I see Morgz is fronting Sky's latest Premier League ad campaign. I wonder which of the Big 6 he's off to.that makes him worth an additional £25mil due to his increased commercial activities. £125mil at least now.
Post by: VillaTim on June 16, 2025, 08:11:34 PM
Post by: Gerrin on June 19, 2025, 11:35:29 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cj4edzw9qxeo
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2025, 11:47:45 AM
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2025, 11:49:54 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on June 19, 2025, 11:50:27 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 19, 2025, 12:07:25 PM
That is exceptional given it was his first full season and was shifted about the team a fair bit.
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2025, 12:16:38 PM
Post by: jwarry on June 19, 2025, 06:15:29 PM
On that output anything under £100m would be robbery were we to sell him.
We are not selling Morgan at any price. If anyone it will be Jacob which frankly will piss me off
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 19, 2025, 06:27:35 PM
On that output anything under £100m would be robbery were we to sell him.
We are not selling Morgan at any price. If anyone it will be Jacob which frankly will piss me off
It will piss me off too. If it was a case of either or, I’d keep JJ if we got the £100m for Rogers.
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 19, 2025, 06:35:37 PM
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2025, 07:00:39 PM
On that output anything under £100m would be robbery were we to sell him.
We are not selling Morgan at any price. If anyone it will be Jacob which frankly will piss me off
It will piss me off too. If it was a case of either or, I’d keep JJ if we got the £100m for Rogers.
Me too
Post by: Mister E on June 19, 2025, 08:17:12 PM
"Rogers contributed 14 goals and 15 assists as Aston Villa narrowly missed out on Champions League qualification."Or:
That is exceptional given it was his first full season and was shifted about the team a fair bit.
"Rogers contributed 14 goals and 15 assists as Aston Villa reached the quarter-finals of the Champions League, reached the FA cup semi-final and managed 6th place in the League."
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 19, 2025, 08:51:02 PM
"Rogers contributed 14 goals and 15 assists as Aston Villa narrowly missed out on Champions League qualification."Or:
That is exceptional given it was his first full season and was shifted about the team a fair bit.
"Rogers contributed 14 goals and 15 assists as Aston Villa reached the quarter-finals of the Champions League, reached the FA cup semi-final and managed 6th place in the League."
It’s incredibly good and it’s why we shouldn’t countenance selling him regardless of price. I’ve said before, not only is he absolutely pivotal to us and will get better, but if we sell him it’s a really bad look in terms of our ambition. It’s placing a glass ceiling on us versus our rivals.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 24, 2025, 03:45:13 PM
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Post by: Hookeysmith on July 02, 2025, 09:26:11 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on July 02, 2025, 09:41:08 PM
He has got that bit of stardust quality that is hard to quantify. Even Young and Milner who were similar age when signed and were brilliant for us, cost a lot more comparatively even though we sold for huge mark ups and won bucketloads thereafter, can't quite compare to this guy.
Said a few times I recall a game either v Brentford (more likely) or Bournemouth last season (2023/4 that is) and I saw him chase from right hand side to central area to easily dispossess their number 6. I thought this young man has something. He scored in both.
Post by: Ian. on July 02, 2025, 09:45:01 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2025, 09:50:46 PM
Another sponsored video featuring Rogers.
It's refreshingly 21st Century of us to have abandoned fines for sock misdemeanours and such like.
Post by: VillaTim on July 02, 2025, 10:26:24 PM
Post by: Steve67 on July 02, 2025, 11:04:35 PM
If he can sort his game out in the final third he'll be awesome .
Yes, because the 30 goals he scored or created last season was nowhere near enough, and those England caps completely worthless. I honestly question your knowledge and motivation sometimes Tim.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2025, 11:09:19 PM
If he can sort his game out in the final third he'll be awesome .
Yes, because the 30 goals he scored or created last season was nowhere near enough, and those England caps completely worthless. I honestly question your knowledge and motivation sometimes Tim.
Only sometimes?
Post by: Steve67 on July 02, 2025, 11:16:25 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 03, 2025, 07:50:28 AM
If he can sort his game out in the final third he'll be awesome .getting him away from that right wing will help - but there's not a lot to sort
Post by: Mister E on July 03, 2025, 03:05:52 PM
Agreed, he suffered after the loanees came in last January.If he can sort his game out in the final third he'll be awesome .getting him away from that right wing will help - but there's not a lot to sort
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 03, 2025, 03:17:32 PM
The goal against Citeh last season where he started in his own half was also class.
But for all the mazy runs he also does lose the ball pretty cheaply at times also - which he needs to cut out.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 03, 2025, 03:21:43 PM
The time i really woke up to his talent was in the Arsenal game that we lost last season - he went on a mazy run that had the likes of Rice and co floundering in his wake.i think Emery gives him (and probably no one else license to lose the ball) such devastation he can cause.
The goal against Citeh last season where he started in his own half was also class.
But for all the mazy runs he also does lose the ball pretty cheaply at times also - which he needs to cut out.
Post by: Bosco81 on July 03, 2025, 07:08:18 PM
That Arsenal game was his best game of the season, he was so dominant against such a good and powerful team.The time i really woke up to his talent was in the Arsenal game that we lost last season - he went on a mazy run that had the likes of Rice and co floundering in his wake.i think Emery gives him (and probably no one else license to lose the ball) such devastation he can cause.
The goal against Citeh last season where he started in his own half was also class.
But for all the mazy runs he also does lose the ball pretty cheaply at times also - which he needs to cut out.
He does lose the ball a fair bit in the middle of the pitch, which can cause the opposition to be straight onto us, but I think it’s risk or reward with him.
I prefer him on the left drifting in personally.
Post by: nigel on July 03, 2025, 08:31:49 PM
The time i really woke up to his talent was in the Arsenal game that we lost last season - he went on a mazy run that had the likes of Rice and co floundering in his wake.
The goal against Citeh last season where he started in his own half was also class.
But for all the mazy runs he also does lose the ball pretty cheaply at times also - which he needs to cut out.
Take the risk out of his runs and you lose the player he is.
See Grealish/Guardiola
Post by: john e on July 03, 2025, 08:33:38 PM
The time i really woke up to his talent was in the Arsenal game that we lost last season - he went on a mazy run that had the likes of Rice and co floundering in his wake.
The goal against Citeh last season where he started in his own half was also class.
But for all the mazy runs he also does lose the ball pretty cheaply at times also - which he needs to cut out.
Take the risk out of his runs and you lose the player he is.
See Grealish/Guardiola
Exactly this
Post by: ozzjim on July 04, 2025, 11:58:04 AM
I would also add that I don't think he was managed well post Feb last season. He was clearly knackered and needed the odd game out the team, which we could have coped with, but Emery played him into the ground. Very few things I will be critical of Unai for, but for me we should have given him some time out the side.
Post by: Ian. on July 04, 2025, 01:49:38 PM
The time i really woke up to his talent was in the Arsenal game that we lost last season - he went on a mazy run that had the likes of Rice and co floundering in his wake.
The goal against Citeh last season where he started in his own half was also class.
But for all the mazy runs he also does lose the ball pretty cheaply at times also - which he needs to cut out.
Take the risk out of his runs and you lose the player he is.
See Grealish/Guardiola
Exactly this
Definitely
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2025, 05:28:29 PM
I think because of the jeopardy with him losing the ball I like him on the left from deeper than the right.There were also occasions that you could see he was totally spent but was left on the pitch which detracted from the team’s performance.
I would also add that I don't think he was managed well post Feb last season. He was clearly knackered and needed the odd game out the team, which we could have coped with, but Emery played him into the ground. Very few things I will be critical of Unai for, but for me we should have given him some time out the side.
Post by: VillaTim on July 06, 2025, 08:12:46 PM
it's his final ball and execution which needs the workIf he can sort his game out in the final third he'll be awesome .getting him away from that right wing will help - but there's not a lot to sort
Post by: ozzjim on July 06, 2025, 11:21:15 PM
it's his final ball and execution which needs the workIf he can sort his game out in the final third he'll be awesome .getting him away from that right wing will help - but there's not a lot to sort
Consistency I would agree. There were some games last season where his final ball was truly terrible, but then he'd pop up with a goal and assist in the next. Adds consistency to his all round game though, we're fending off well over £100m for him.
Post by: Tuscans on July 29, 2025, 09:34:20 AM
@J_Tanswell
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Post by: Tuscans on August 07, 2025, 12:11:22 PM
@J_Tanswell
Initial assessments indicate the ankle injury Morgan Rogers picked up against Roma is not thought to be serious. Caution remains as further tests will take place but as of Thursday morning, hopeful of featuring against Newcastle. Story
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Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2025, 12:18:57 PM
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2025, 12:39:05 PM
Look forward to seeing him again in about March.
He'll be hobbling about on crutches this time next week.
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2025, 05:25:29 PM
Look forward to seeing him again in about March.
2027
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 17, 2025, 09:27:15 AM
Unai clearly knows more than me and for the most part I'm content that he's considered our attacking fulcrum but there's the nagging fear he has too many bad days for us to be so dependent on him.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2025, 09:38:54 AM
We have very few players who carry the ball or open things up like him. But it’s why we need Asensio as well to lighten the load.
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Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2025, 11:05:47 AM
There's not a manager in the league who wouldn't play him at every available opportunity.
Most would take him off if he was constantly losing the ball and looking tired on 75.
Post by: brontebilly on August 17, 2025, 11:29:00 AM
Bringing in Asensio, and Guessand, will hopefully take some of the pressure of Morgan.
When we had Rashford, Ramsey, Bailey & Asensio available, Emery still played Rogers pretty much every game and only took him off occasionally. I don't think Emery does him any favours with that approach but it won't change this season.
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2025, 11:50:37 AM
Post by: andyh on August 17, 2025, 12:07:48 PM
When he was in top form, he was killing teams with his pace and power in the last 15 minutes of games.
He has been out of form for a long while now. Moving him out the right was the start of him going off the boil.
But there is a brilliant player in there, we know that.
He has missed a huge chunk of pre season, so hopefully, as his fitness returns, and being out on the left, we will see him back to his best.
Post by: darren woolley on August 17, 2025, 03:01:15 PM
Post by: jwarry on August 17, 2025, 03:20:22 PM
He had an off day yesterday he'll improve I'm sure of it.
He was terrible. If you look at the early chances they had you’ll see it was Morgan’s lack of marking that caused them. But then he’s always likely to pull something out of the bag which is probably why Unai left him on
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2025, 03:21:36 PM
He had an off day yesterday he'll improve I'm sure of it.
He can only improve.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2025, 03:59:12 PM
He is poor defensively.He had an off day yesterday he'll improve I'm sure of it.
He was terrible. If you look at the early chances they had you’ll see it was Morgan’s lack of marking that caused them. But then he’s always likely to pull something out of the bag which is probably why Unai left him on
We would have been better with him in Tielemens position. And Uri for Onana.
Post by: London Villan on August 17, 2025, 04:07:47 PM
Post by: walsall villain on August 17, 2025, 04:11:10 PM
Yep, a bit of a liability with giving the ball away deep in his own half and not always tracking runners. Think your suggestion will happen at Brentford.He is poor defensively.He had an off day yesterday he'll improve I'm sure of it.
He was terrible. If you look at the early chances they had you’ll see it was Morgan’s lack of marking that caused them. But then he’s always likely to pull something out of the bag which is probably why Unai left him on
We would have been better with him in Tielemens position. And Uri for Onana.
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 17, 2025, 04:35:18 PM
He’s been poor since march this year.
This is obviously nonsense.
Post by: London Villan on August 17, 2025, 04:36:30 PM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2025, 06:16:33 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 17, 2025, 06:23:46 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2025, 06:28:16 PM
You think he was "poor" when he set up goals against Brighton (x2), Southampton, Bournemouth and Tottenham, when he scored against Forest and PSG, when he got an assist and was part of the attack that absolutely twatted Newcastle? Each to their own, but I'm glad you don't pick the team.
Indeed.
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 17, 2025, 07:13:07 PM
You think he was "poor" when he set up goals against Brighton (x2), Southampton, Bournemouth and Tottenham, when he scored against Forest and PSG, when he got an assist and was part of the attack that absolutely twatted Newcastle? Each to their own, but I'm glad you don't pick the team.
I only watched that Newcastle game on tv in Vietnam in April but Watkins and Rogers were both top notch that day.
Post by: Mister E on August 17, 2025, 07:16:41 PM
Emery plays him because he is one player that has the ability to unlock a defence on his own, we used to have Bailey but he is now a spent force.I hope Guessand has that ability - to unlock defences - too, taking the heat off Rutgers a little.