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Title: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2024, 09:40:09 PM
We go again, in the FA Cup.
Title: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 26, 2024, 09:40:36 PM
Glad we are still in the hat.  Need a striker badly.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 26, 2024, 09:41:28 PM
When's Ollie going to start scoring again?
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Nev on January 26, 2024, 09:41:45 PM
Didn't want another midweek but after that first half I'm happy enough.
Much better secondv half and could've pinched it
We'll do 'em at home.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: passport1 on January 26, 2024, 09:42:05 PM
0nwards and back to Villa Park. Show them the Aston Sleeper.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: Axl Rose on January 26, 2024, 09:42:16 PM
Beat them at Villa Park then.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: villadelph on January 26, 2024, 09:42:27 PM
Diaby is really starting to irritate me. Doesn't have a clue how to be an effective piece in this XI.

Ollie was inexplicably anonymous for the better part of 88 minutes and seems to just stand between the two opposing CBs. The late pass from McGinn into space on the edge of the box is something we should be doing regularly.

I thought Kamara broke up play really well today, and Moreno/Cash were good defensively on the outsides.

We can smash these at home in the replay. Hard to believe they had three 100m players out there.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 26, 2024, 09:42:31 PM
No nil nils in over a season and two come along in consecutive games. We looked a bit lethargic in the first half but better in the second. Lenglet worries me when he's pressed quickly.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: andyh on January 26, 2024, 09:42:41 PM
At least we are in the draw for the 5th round!
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: andyh on January 26, 2024, 09:43:25 PM
When's Ollie going to start scoring again?
When we going to start creating chances for him again ?
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Stu82 on January 26, 2024, 09:43:27 PM
That was a great game of football.
We really bossed second half
Martinez magnificent.
Pau needs to come back soon, cause leg let is the weak link
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2024, 09:43:27 PM
At least in the last 15/20 we found some rhythm again and looked much the better side. We need to carry that forward - cut out the sloppy passes, and find our goal scoring touch again.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on January 26, 2024, 09:43:53 PM
We created a lot of great chances in that match - for Chelsea. Luckily they had Coleton Palmer and Madueke up front.

Actually second half we weren't too bad, but still looking like we just don't have that spark at the moment up front. The patterns and structure don't seem to be there at the moment, everything seems a bit haphazard.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2024, 09:44:13 PM
Last 15/20 we were good and had some rhythm - need to carry that forward.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: London Villan on January 26, 2024, 09:44:53 PM
We looked very rusty/sloppy at times. Gave the ball away far too much. But live to fight another day!
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: lovejoy on January 26, 2024, 09:45:18 PM
To be fair Chelse have been strong at home recently so all in all not a bad result.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2024, 09:46:58 PM
We created a lot of great chances in that match - for Chelsea. Luckily they had Coleton Palmer and Madueke up front.

Actually second half we weren't too bad, but still looking like we just don't have that spark at the moment up front. The patterns and structure don't seem to be there at the moment, everything seems a bit haphazard.

Bit harsh - last 15/20 we were well on top. We do need to find our touch in front of goal again.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: Bad English on January 26, 2024, 09:48:01 PM
Didn't see the game. Unimpressed that we didn't FTF down there.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: CT Villan on January 26, 2024, 09:49:01 PM
We had by far the better of the second half and could have won it in the last 20 minutes. Plenty to work on with the sloppy play in the first half and the total lack of intensity.

Lenglet, Diaby and Watkins poor. Emi outstanding. I would have brought Bailey on much sooner.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on January 26, 2024, 09:49:32 PM
'Villa take Chelsea to replay', BBC.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 26, 2024, 09:50:15 PM
Happy enough, didn't lose away at an improved Chelski and In the draw for the 5th round.
Title: Re: Chelsea v Aston Villa Post Match Thread.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2024, 09:50:16 PM
“Villa take Chelsea to replay” - fuck off BBC.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Smithy on January 26, 2024, 09:50:35 PM
They were better first half, we were better second half, a draw is a fair result.

It's a bit worrying how good they were at forcing mistakes with their press, I thought we'd gone beyond the point where we couldn't pass around teams who wanted to press us.  Hopefully we'll have a plan to counter that apparent strength in the replay.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 26, 2024, 09:53:10 PM
A little disappointed, I thought they were there for the taking when I saw the team and they hardly did a thing in the second half. We're still in it but it's another game.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2024, 09:54:34 PM
Coleton Palmer! Love it. For all the drooling over him, he's hardly ruthless in front of goal, is he?
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 26, 2024, 09:55:04 PM
Really solid second half. Our attacking players aren't on it currently but thought Zaniolo had a lively cameo. On another night any of those three daft individual errors (Lenglet, Martinez, Kamara) get punished so we certainly were fortunate to keep a clean sheet

Martinez 8 - some exceptional saves, bailed out Kamara but fortunate awful clearance wasn't punished. Went long far too often for no return
Cash 8 - best game in a long time, dealt really well with Sterling one on one and forced a brilliant save
Konsa 7 - solid enough, problems in first half were to left of him
Lenglet 4 - shocker of a first half, rallied second half
Moreno 4 - terrible first half as our left flank was targeted, much better second but wonder if injury has knocked a bit of pace out of him
Kamara 5 - another one to have a desperate first half, improved beyond recognition in second until nearly costing us the game late on
Luiz 8 - best player on pitch second half dominating midfield at his ease
McGinn 7 - big improvement from Everton, strong in first half and solid second
Tielemans 6 - part of an awful left flank in first half, much improved second half, missed two big chances
Diaby 4 - laid on big chance for Tielemans but hold up play was desperate. Lost every duel
Watkins 5 - shocking first half, limited service but workrate improved a lot in second

Lovely from Zaniolo when he came in, one brilliant cross. Carlos didn't make any mistakes, Bailey should have been on longer than three minutes
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Steve67 on January 26, 2024, 09:55:23 PM
We looked much better in the second half, despite the odd sloppy pass here and there, and we started to look a bit like our usual selves.  Zaniolo looked sharp when he came on.  Diaby is a shadow of the player we signed but hoping he picks back up.  We deserved the draw at the very least.  Wish we could sign a busy striker.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Gareth on January 26, 2024, 09:55:31 PM
That was a great game of football.
We really bossed second half
Martinez magnificent.
Pau needs to come back soon, cause leg let is the weak link

100% this
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 26, 2024, 09:56:34 PM
Didn't see the game. Unimpressed that we didn't FTF down there.

The cameras picked out a Villa fan giving Chukwuemeka "the wankers" when he came on, just for you.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on January 26, 2024, 09:57:37 PM
Is it just me but there there seems to be a bit more interest and passion in the FA cup this season - not just from us because we managed to get past  3rd round - but across lots of the games.   
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 26, 2024, 09:58:41 PM
Coleton Palmer! Love it. For all the drooling over him, he's hardly ruthless in front of goal, is he?

I wish we had him. I realise he's 'unproven' but he looks the real deal, beautiful and intelligent on the ball. No doubt he'll be happy he's not facing the brilliant Emi Martinez every week.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Bad English on January 26, 2024, 09:59:11 PM
Didn't see the game. Unimpressed that we didn't FTF down there.

The cameras picked out a Villa fan giving Chukwuemeka "the wankers" when he came on, just for you.
Good lad!
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 26, 2024, 09:59:15 PM
Much better in second half, really should've won it in the end as Chelsea were out on their feet last 20 minutes.

Not sure really what was the point of putting Bailey on so late, would've got him on instead of Zaniolo.

It will be decided at VP. Not too unhappy at that prospect.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 26, 2024, 09:59:40 PM
Got back for 2nd half - looked decent following the 1st half that the BBC said Martinez kept us in it.  Defensive passing still makes me nervous & will catch us out for sure one day.  Cash excellent - best game in a good while.  Diaby horribly out of sorts but will surely come good.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2024, 10:03:27 PM
Coleton Palmer! Love it. For all the drooling over him, he's hardly ruthless in front of goal, is he?

I wish we had him. I realise he's 'unproven' but he looks the real deal, beautiful and intelligent on the ball. No doubt he'll be happy he's not facing the brilliant Emi Martinez every week.

Agreed, he’s a lovely footballer. Decent enough draw tonight, we were the best side last 20 minutes. Diaby though, as much use as tits on a nun.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on January 26, 2024, 10:03:36 PM
We created all their best chances.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on January 26, 2024, 10:04:52 PM
Bailey should have come on at 65 mins. 
I wonder why Emery dallied?
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Paul.S on January 26, 2024, 10:05:35 PM
We aren’t the side we were before Christmas but we hang in there and still look organised. We’ll get back to it soon enough and hopefully Torres and Ramsey are back soon.
Watkins scores in patches and we need one of those to come soon. Diaby is a worry but he’s a good player who’s just out of form.
Still in the hat and pre Emery we’d have lost that.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on January 26, 2024, 10:05:48 PM
The Villa fans made some noise!
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Skerra on January 26, 2024, 10:06:57 PM
Much improved second half but, couldn’t have been much worse than first half. Diaby’s strength seemed to be taking on a player for pace but, somehow, we seem to have knocked that out of him. Earlier in the season, the defenders didn’t know how to deal with him but, like Grealish, now always turns to play a backwards pass. Come on Unai, surely you’ve seen that as well.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on January 26, 2024, 10:08:24 PM
Much better 2nd half, happy to take them back to VP, first time we've been in the hat for the 5th round, since 2015.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 26, 2024, 10:09:11 PM
BBC = Saville
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Somniloquism on January 26, 2024, 10:10:53 PM
Highlights

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/68013830
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2024, 10:11:10 PM
The Villa fans made some noise!

Great atmosphere in the away end.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 26, 2024, 10:11:23 PM
The Villa fans made some noise!

Yeah I was listening on the radio and all you could hear was the Villa fans
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: steamer on January 26, 2024, 10:13:56 PM
Bronte
Bit harsh on Moreno, I thought he was much better than that
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 26, 2024, 10:14:19 PM
We did really well to wrestle back control of that game against a really decent looking Chelsea team. Definitely missing a bit of confidence up top though
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on January 26, 2024, 10:18:09 PM
Think that one of our moves was to play the ball up to Diaby and for him to spin his marker and then use his pace to drive into the box.

Problem was that he got a buffeting all game and struggled with the defender's physicality. Can't think of a single occasion when he turned his man, despite several attempts.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 26, 2024, 10:20:59 PM
Bronte
Bit harsh on Moreno, I thought he was much better than that

Thought Chelsea could have driven a bus down our left flank in the first half. He did improve a lot in the second half.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 26, 2024, 10:26:52 PM
Bronte
Bit harsh on Moreno, I thought he was much better than that

He was very good tonight
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: London Villan on January 26, 2024, 10:27:09 PM
The Villa fans made some noise!

Yeah I was listening on the radio and all you could hear was the Villa fans

Watched on the Betfair site, no commentary, very noisy Villa fans.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 26, 2024, 10:27:40 PM
Bronte
Bit harsh on Moreno, I thought he was much better than that

Thought Chelsea could have driven a bus down our left flank in the first half. He did improve a lot in the second half.

They targeted that area and we basically rebuffed everything
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 26, 2024, 10:30:56 PM
Bronte
Bit harsh on Moreno, I thought he was much better than that

Thought Chelsea could have driven a bus down our left flank in the first half. He did improve a lot in the second half.

But that was largely because they had 3-4 players going into that channel, with Madueke, Palmer, Gallagher and Gilchrist all attacking the space outside Lenglet and us leaving Tielemans a little too high to help him out. 2nd half we nullified them by having Luiz sit a little deeper on that side and Tielemans holding his position a little more.

I thought Moreno had a very good game all things considered and stopped them making the most of the numbers.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 26, 2024, 10:36:42 PM
The drop off in form since the start of December continues. Tuesday God knows, fingers crossed the renaissance starts then. UTV.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: usav on January 26, 2024, 10:37:37 PM
We haven’t had a complete game since Man City, if we are being brutally honest.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 26, 2024, 10:41:59 PM
Bronte
Bit harsh on Moreno, I thought he was much better than that

Thought Chelsea could have driven a bus down our left flank in the first half. He did improve a lot in the second half.

But that was largely because they had 3-4 players going into that channel, with Madueke, Palmer, Gallagher and Gilchrist all attacking the space outside Lenglet and us leaving Tielemans a little too high to help him out. 2nd half we nullified them by having Luiz sit a little deeper on that side and Tielemans holding his position a little more.

I thought Moreno had a very good game all things considered and stopped them making the most of the numbers.

The distance between Lenglet and Moreno looked wrong from the off but thought Moreno was poor defending the cross field punts and also defending balls coming in from his flank one on one anyway, McGinn bailed him out at least once. Don't think he offered anything with the ball either which is unlike him. Much better in the second both with and without the ball. Still struggling to hit his best form.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: lovejoy on January 26, 2024, 10:44:53 PM
The back to back wins against city and Arsenal were always going to be an apex moment, for the ages. Whilst we’ve dropped from there we are still playing well above expectations. Chelsea are strong at home.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2024, 10:48:12 PM
The drop off in form since the start of December continues. Tuesday God knows, fingers crossed the renaissance starts then. UTV.

That last 20 mins was as well as we’ve played for a while.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 26, 2024, 10:51:25 PM
Cash was our best player today, defended to good effect against T-Rex arms and got forward well.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 26, 2024, 10:55:11 PM
We often seem to soak it all up and then gor for it late on when the opposition tire. Nearly worked.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: andyh on January 26, 2024, 10:56:10 PM
The drop off in form since the start of December continues. Tuesday God knows, fingers crossed the renaissance starts then. UTV.
Totally agree.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2024, 10:57:57 PM
Well we’ll see, that last 20 mins was much more like it.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on January 26, 2024, 11:04:09 PM
brilliant save to deny Cash another cup winner
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 26, 2024, 11:04:17 PM
Cash was our best player today, defended to good effect against T-Rex arms and got forward well.

Could be a big night for him under Emery. I don't think Emery has ever been fully convinced but must have been impressed tonight. 
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 26, 2024, 11:05:53 PM
Proof that going Cashless is not a good idea.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on January 26, 2024, 11:22:37 PM
The drop off in form since the start of December continues. Tuesday God knows, fingers crossed the renaissance starts then. UTV.
Totally agree.

Absolute nonsense. Chelsea are a very good team in good form currently, especially at home and with momentum. We looked very dangerous and totally wrestled control of that match away from them and the last 30 mins was only one winner. The negativity is stupid
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 26, 2024, 11:27:12 PM
Bronte
Bit harsh on Moreno, I thought he was much better than that

Thought Chelsea could have driven a bus down our left flank in the first half. He did improve a lot in the second half.

But that was largely because they had 3-4 players going into that channel, with Madueke, Palmer, Gallagher and Gilchrist all attacking the space outside Lenglet and us leaving Tielemans a little too high to help him out. 2nd half we nullified them by having Luiz sit a little deeper on that side and Tielemans holding his position a little more.

I thought Moreno had a very good game all things considered and stopped them making the most of the numbers.

Gallagher for them is much better going forward, he was constantly finding space in the gap between Moreno and Lenglet first half and getting some dangerous crosses in.

Can press well and getting better on the ball so with a year left on his deal in the summer he's actually someone I'd look at as he's pretty identical in style to SJM who we'll need to give a breather to a bit more next season.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 26, 2024, 11:29:27 PM
Well we’ll see, that last 20 mins was much more like it.

We will beat Newcastle with that last 20, certainly Sheffield United so I'm holding fire on this seemingly emerging view we're just going to collapse in last three months.

I thought Konsa was brilliant once more. He's got that self assurance any top CB needs and I love the way he's risen as a quiet leader to replace Mings. Hopefully we can get Pau back in a few weeks and keep Kons central as those two and Emi going into GOD mode should be enough to get us over the line for CL.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on January 26, 2024, 11:33:26 PM
The drop off in form since the start of December continues. Tuesday God knows, fingers crossed the renaissance starts then. UTV.
Totally agree.
We were poor and outhustled first half but we improved 2nd half as Chelsea understandably tired .
Lenglet / Diaby very poor displays , Moreno / Tielemans average . Martinez saved us tonight
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 26, 2024, 11:41:22 PM
I notice you ignore our agency in our improvement Tim, not a big surprise.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on January 26, 2024, 11:42:30 PM
Bronte
Bit harsh on Moreno, I thought he was much better than that

Thought Chelsea could have driven a bus down our left flank in the first half. He did improve a lot in the second half.

But that was largely because they had 3-4 players going into that channel, with Madueke, Palmer, Gallagher and Gilchrist all attacking the space outside Lenglet and us leaving Tielemans a little too high to help him out. 2nd half we nullified them by having Luiz sit a little deeper on that side and Tielemans holding his position a little more.

I thought Moreno had a very good game all things considered and stopped them making the most of the numbers.

Gallagher for them is much better going forward, he was constantly finding space in the gap between Moreno and Lenglet first half and getting some dangerous crosses in.

Can press well and getting better on the ball so with a year left on his deal in the summer he's actually someone I'd look at as he's pretty identical in style to SJM who we'll need to give a breather to a bit more next season.

Looked back to his Palace form tonight. Not the silkiest of players, like McGinn, but very effective high up the pitch. He was playing with Chelsea for a long time taking the ball off the back and it wasnt his game at all. Doubt he has any genuine interest leaving Chelsea, just trying to negotiate a big contract off them.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Matt C on January 27, 2024, 12:14:26 AM
Played pretty well in that second half especially. Marginal offside call went against us, Tielemans could have had a couple.  Cash & Kamara stood out but both performances are outshone by that of the World’s Best Goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 27, 2024, 12:31:23 AM
Ref allowed them to foul us with impunity.
Looked like he wanted Chelsea to win.
We had 2 good spells in the game and finished the stronger but we kept presenting Chelsea with chances.
I thought our midfield did well, a bit shaky in defence at times but nothing from Watkins and Diaby.
Martinez kept us in the competition.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: john2710 on January 27, 2024, 01:10:43 AM
Draw was fair result, we struggled first half & did our best to gift the game to them. Second half we should have gone on to win the game.

Cash, Konsa & Martinez were the star performers.
Ollie's been on 49 goals for a while. Hopefully he'll bag one on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2024, 01:23:20 AM
Chukwuemeka was left in no doubt as to what the Villa fans thought of him when he was warming up, and later again when he came on.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 27, 2024, 01:39:34 AM
Ref was shocking, how he booked Tielemans then didn’t show a card to any Chelsea player after was unbelievable.
Emi made some good saves, thought McGinn and Kamara had good games and Doug grew into it.
Marvellous support and I quite liked that end where we were housed with the barriers in front of the seats.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Ads on January 27, 2024, 02:52:52 AM
Much the better side 2nd half. Looked far more menacing. We created almost everything they had with some daft/sloppy play at the back.

Not quite sure why people are so quick to mention Diaby yet appear silent on Watkins? Large chunks of the first half involved giving it away in our own third or hammering long balls to give away in the air up top as it wouldn't stick. It wasn't until the 2nd half that our full backs pinned them back and really stretched things that we looked more likely. Shame not to have won, nice to still be in it.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 27, 2024, 03:24:42 AM
Would have taken the draw before KO so pleased we managed it even though we could have won it. Chelsea are getting their act together, I thought Sterling gave Cash a tough time first half, nutmegging him twice in the space of 5 minutes must have been irking. He improved massively 2nd half like the whole team. We finished much the stronger outfit. Overall Chelsea’s best opportunities came from us fucking up at the back, Lenglet and Emi being culpable even though both played well. Only my 2nd away this season, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Even the local pubs near the ground were good before and after. I wasn’t even drinking.

Konsa is becoming such an accomplished player, he oozes class.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: LeonW on January 27, 2024, 04:18:57 AM
Apart from Martinez, Konsa and mostly Kamara, we were poor. They played midweek. We’ve had a longer off. Poor considering.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ROBBO on January 27, 2024, 05:54:18 AM
Many at one time thought Konsa was a weak link in defence, he is probably the most improved player at the club, Diaby will come good.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 27, 2024, 07:15:40 AM
Would have taken the draw before KO so pleased we managed it even though we could have won it. Chelsea are getting their act together, I thought Sterling gave Cash a tough time first half, nutmegging him twice in the space of 5 minutes must have been irking. He improved massively 2nd half like the whole team. We finished much the stronger outfit. Overall Chelsea’s best opportunities came from us fucking up at the back, Lenglet and Emi being culpable even though both played well. Only my 2nd away this season, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Even the local pubs near the ground were good before and after. I wasn’t even drinking.

Konsa is becoming such an accomplished player, he oozes class.

I was about 20 yards to your right, was trying to catch your eye Bren.

Not much more to say, game of two halves, we’ll beat them at home I feel. Thought McGinn should of scored from a lovely ball from Zaniolo. Thought Tielemans was rusty and the two forwards were bossed for large parts of the game. Strange Bailey only getting 3 minutes, but guess he’ll start on Tuesday. We badly miss Torres. Saying all that, we did boss most of the second half.
Great support down there and great view from upper Shed.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Risso on January 27, 2024, 07:46:57 AM
I thought we looked far more balanced with Konsa back in his best position at the centre of defence, and Cash at right back. Need to continue this against Newcastle.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on January 27, 2024, 07:52:58 AM
One thing I forgot to mention after the game, our support were absolutely outstanding. They were all you could hear.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Gareth on January 27, 2024, 07:54:18 AM
I thought we looked far more balanced with Konsa back in his best position at the centre of defence, and Cash at right back. Need to continue this against Newcastle.

Absolutely, we are desperate Cash / Konsa / Torres / Moreno or Digne as our back four again.  Lenglet thinks he is a better footballer than he is, how many balls did he lose last night, forgetting the obv cock up that they should have scored off he must have given 4/5 hospital passes to Kamara / Luiz…if he can’t pick out a team mate then make sure you don’t give it away 25 yards from goal. 
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 27, 2024, 08:01:55 AM
Well we’ll see, that last 20 mins was much more like it.


We will beat Newcastle with that last 20, certainly Sheffield United so I'm holding fire on this seemingly emerging view we're just going to collapse in last three months.

I thought Konsa was brilliant once more. He's got that self assurance any top CB needs and I love the way he's risen as a quiet leader to replace Mings. Hopefully we can get Pau back in a few weeks and keep Kons central as those two and Emi going into GOD mode should be enough to get us over the line for CL.

At one point in the second half, Konsa even did a backheel mid-air volley to clear the ball away. McGrathesque.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Richard on January 27, 2024, 08:04:36 AM
I thought we looked far more balanced with Konsa back in his best position at the centre of defence, and Cash at right back. Need to continue this against Newcastle.

Absolutely, we are desperate Cash / Konsa / Torres / Moreno or Digne as our back four again.  Lenglet thinks he is a better footballer than he is, how many balls did he lose last night, forgetting the obv cock up that they should have scored off he must have given 4/5 hospital passes to Kamara / Luiz…if he can’t pick out a team mate then make sure you don’t give it away 25 yards from goal. 

I hope Torres and Digne are available again soon, but to be fair we have not conceded a goal now for almost 5 hours.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2024, 08:16:30 AM
Much the better side 2nd half. Looked far more menacing. We created almost everything they had with some daft/sloppy play at the back.

Not quite sure why people are so quick to mention Diaby yet appear silent on Watkins? Large chunks of the first half involved giving it away in our own third or hammering long balls to give away in the air up top as it wouldn't stick. It wasn't until the 2nd half that our full backs pinned them back and really stretched things that we looked more likely. Shame not to have won, nice to still be in it.

Agreed thought Ollie wasn’t great for a good chunk. It was noticeable we improved was he started being involved more.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 27, 2024, 08:24:47 AM
I thought we looked far more balanced with Konsa back in his best position at the centre of defence, and Cash at right back. Need to continue this against Newcastle.
Agreed
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2024, 08:35:16 AM
Decent game overall for a 0-0 . Far more watchable than the last round
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 27, 2024, 08:37:32 AM
A few dreadfully sloppy passes at the back to gift them chances - get rid of those and sharpen up a bit up top and we win that quite comfortably.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Richard E on January 27, 2024, 08:43:17 AM
Three away clean sheets in potentially tough games is not to be sniffed at considering we haven’t been able to field our first choice defence. We really need Torres back as the base of our playing out from the back.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2024, 08:51:03 AM
I know we need more wins in the league and could do without the replay, but there’s still something satisfying about goal-less away draws.

As an aside, the replay guarantees a million home spectators this season for the first time since the seventies.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: AV82EC on January 27, 2024, 08:57:38 AM
I know we need more wins in the league and could do without the replay, but there’s still something satisfying about goal-less away draws.

As an aside, the replay guarantees a million home spectators this season for the first time since the seventies.

Oooh that’s the kind of nerdy stat I like. Thanks Perce.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: paul_e on January 27, 2024, 09:03:07 AM
Much the better side 2nd half. Looked far more menacing. We created almost everything they had with some daft/sloppy play at the back.

Not quite sure why people are so quick to mention Diaby yet appear silent on Watkins? Large chunks of the first half involved giving it away in our own third or hammering long balls to give away in the air up top as it wouldn't stick. It wasn't until the 2nd half that our full backs pinned them back and really stretched things that we looked more likely. Shame not to have won, nice to still be in it.

Agreed thought Ollie wasn’t great for a good chunk. It was noticeable we improved was he started being involved more.

That's a bit chicken and egg though, did we improve because he was involved or was he involved because we improved?

Personally I think the latter because of the whole "Emery told me to stay in position" thing, that's exactly what he was doing.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2024, 09:14:14 AM
I thought Watkins was pretty poor , ran about like a bull in a china shop largely , got that one nice effort away second half but other than that ... ?
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on January 27, 2024, 09:16:45 AM
I thought Watkins was pretty poor , ran about like a bull in a china shop largely , got that one nice effort away second half but other than that ... ?

Saving himself for Newcastle!
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 27, 2024, 09:17:22 AM
When's Ollie going to start scoring again?
good question, soon maybe, his head will drop soon....
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 27, 2024, 09:28:07 AM
I thought Watkins was pretty poor , ran about like a bull in a china shop largely , got that one nice effort away second half but other than that ... ?
Great set up for Cash’s chance
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2024, 09:34:25 AM
I know we need more wins in the league and could do without the replay, but there’s still something satisfying about goal-less away draws.

As an aside, the replay guarantees a million home spectators this season for the first time since the seventies.

Oooh that’s the kind of nerdy stat I like. Thanks Perce.

Haha, me too, so my pleasure!
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: FrankyH on January 27, 2024, 09:35:03 AM
Apologies if posted before. Does anyone know what date/week the replay will be at Villa Park ?
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2024, 09:47:06 AM
Apologies if posted before. Does anyone know what date/week the replay will be at Villa Park ?

Week beginning the fifth of feb, but probably not Tuesday as Chelsea are playing the Sunday before.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: FrankyH on January 27, 2024, 09:49:22 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on January 27, 2024, 09:51:07 AM
The important thing is to get them back to Villa Park and bag all three points /Gabby
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 27, 2024, 10:00:35 AM
Got home around 12:20am - Enjoyable evening tbf.

Villa fans made it sound like we were the home team, draw probably a fair result - Martinez MotM by a mile. Not his biggest fan, but Cash was MUCH improved last night, and long may it continue.

Got a feeling we're in for the Leon Bailey show on Tuesday night!  UTV!
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2024, 11:24:53 AM
I know we need more wins in the league and could do without the replay, but there’s still something satisfying about goal-less away draws.

As an aside, the replay guarantees a million home spectators this season for the first time since the seventies.

Oooh that’s the kind of nerdy stat I like. Thanks Perce.

It truly is one in a million.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: thick_mike on January 27, 2024, 11:47:12 AM
Well we’ll see, that last 20 mins was much more like it.


We will beat Newcastle with that last 20, certainly Sheffield United so I'm holding fire on this seemingly emerging view we're just going to collapse in last three months.

I thought Konsa was brilliant once more. He's got that self assurance any top CB needs and I love the way he's risen as a quiet leader to replace Mings. Hopefully we can get Pau back in a few weeks and keep Kons central as those two and Emi going into GOD mode should be enough to get us over the line for CL.

At one point in the second half, Konsa even did a backheel mid-air volley to clear the ball away. McGrathesque.

Yes, I spotted that. It was God’s signature move.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on January 27, 2024, 01:14:41 PM
Imagine 3 or 4 years ago and being barely satisfied with an away draw and clean sheet at Shitford Bridge and 3 consecutive clean sheets at their gaffe.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2024, 01:46:58 PM
Imagine it 15 months ago when El Affitaq's newly-recontracted manager was our fucking leader.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ez on January 27, 2024, 01:47:34 PM
The fact that we went with our best available team and didn't win is a concern although I'd be a lot more disappointed if it was a league game.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on January 27, 2024, 01:48:03 PM
imagine 12 months ago getting rid of our cast offs to Napoli FC
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 27, 2024, 01:56:00 PM
I didn’t recognise Zaniolo with his new Blonde Barnet.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on January 27, 2024, 02:01:28 PM
The fact that we went with our best available team and didn't win is a concern although I'd be a lot more disappointed if it was a league game.
I'm not too concerned really. In our last 4 matches against them we have won three and drawn one and they haven't scored a single goal. And that's a club that has spunked gazillions on their squad.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 27, 2024, 02:02:51 PM
The fact that we went with our best available team and didn't win is a concern although I'd be a lot more disappointed if it was a league game.
I'm not too concerned really. In our last 4 matches against them we have won three and drawn one and they haven't scored a single goal. And that's a club that has spunked gazillions on their squad.

Didn’t they beat us under Carpethead?
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 27, 2024, 02:05:23 PM
Yeah they wiped the floor with us at VP.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 27, 2024, 02:16:44 PM
Yeah they wiped the floor with us at VP.

As expected
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 27, 2024, 02:34:53 PM
Zaniolo needs more minutes and Diaby less.

I think Zaniolo has looked good in the little minutes he has got and Diaby looks lost but happy to get a draw.

Emi was ace and a few others still way off.

But we are in the draw .
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Louzie0 on January 27, 2024, 02:37:22 PM
And we’ll get Maidstone
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: The Edge on January 27, 2024, 02:43:53 PM
The fact that we went with our best available team and didn't win is a concern although I'd be a lot more disappointed if it was a league game.
I'm not too concerned really. In our last 4 matches against them we have won three and drawn one and they haven't scored a single goal. And that's a club that has spunked gazillions on their squad.

Didn’t they beat us under Carpethead?
According to Google they last beat us 16/10/22 at Villa Park 2.0. Since then we beat them once at home,twice at theirs and then 0.0 last night.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 27, 2024, 03:17:22 PM
We haven't played them at home since the 'wipe the floor with us' game.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 27, 2024, 04:38:07 PM
Zaniolo needs more minutes and Diaby less.

I think Zaniolo has looked good in the little minutes he has got and Diaby looks lost but happy to get a draw.

Emi was ace and a few others still way off.

But we are in the draw .

I think with how we play, slowing the game down, then it's probably worth it. We're not utilising Diaby's pace, that's not to say he still hasn't been poor.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on January 27, 2024, 04:39:09 PM
We haven't played them at home since the 'wipe the floor with us' game.

Incredible comment. Not exactly early 90s Milan were they?

That is the main difference nowadays -  we matter day to day. For the first time in many a year. Probably since mid 90s
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: john e on January 27, 2024, 04:53:01 PM
Zaniolo needs more minutes and Diaby less.

I think Zaniolo has looked good in the little minutes he has got and Diaby looks lost but happy to get a draw.

Emi was ace and a few others still way off.

But we are in the draw .

I think with how we play, slowing the game down, then it's probably worth it. We're not utilising Diaby's pace, that's not to say he still hasn't been poor.


 I’m Yet to see this pace you speak of
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 27, 2024, 04:55:22 PM
Zaniolo needs more minutes and Diaby less.

I think Zaniolo has looked good in the little minutes he has got and Diaby looks lost but happy to get a draw.

Emi was ace and a few others still way off.

But we are in the draw .

I think with how we play, slowing the game down, then it's probably worth it. We're not utilising Diaby's pace, that's not to say he still hasn't been poor.


 I’m Yet to see this pace you speak of

Need to get on FIFA John (well EA Sports FC now), you'll have fun with his pace! It's there somewhere, I think how we play just isn't that conducive to it, hence not seeing it much.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on January 27, 2024, 05:32:25 PM
I'm glad we are still in the FA Cup just need to beat them at Villa Park in the replay.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: manic-road on January 27, 2024, 06:47:23 PM
Chelsea worked their socks off first half closing us down forcing us to play long passes out but as expected they tired quickly second half and I thought we should have nicked it but not too disappointed getting them back to Villa Park.

We didn't create many chances for Ollie again but hopefully we will create more against the Toon in a few days. Still waiting for Diaby to improve his form, I think he will put in some better displays eventually hopefully sooner rsther than later.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on January 27, 2024, 08:03:51 PM
We often seem to soak it all up and then gor for it late on when the opposition tire. Nearly worked.
Muhammad Ali style of football.   
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2024, 08:07:05 PM
It's just a dope on a rope.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: TonyD on January 27, 2024, 08:10:16 PM
I didn’t recognise Zaniolo with his new Blonde Barnet.
All the rage in Brum 1984. 
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Drummond on January 27, 2024, 11:18:15 PM
Imagine it 15 months ago when El Affitaq's newly-recontracted manager was our fucking leader.

He was never a "leader".
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: john e on January 27, 2024, 11:42:19 PM
That Lenglet mistake pass the other night was one of the worst you’ll ever see
Literally gave it to their player right in front of the goal on a plate, the more you see it the more you realise how unbelievably bad it was
If you didn’t know better you say it was match fixing sort of stuff apart from if it was it would have been too obvious even for that

you can’t be doing things like that and pretending you’re any good, absolute liability

Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 28, 2024, 12:38:19 AM
That Lenglet mistake pass the other night was one of the worst you’ll ever see
Literally gave it to their player right in front of the goal on a plate, the more you see it the more you realise how unbelievably bad it was
If you didn’t know better you say it was match fixing sort of stuff apart from if it was it would have been too obvious even for that

you can’t be doing things like that and pretending you’re any good, absolute liability


That save by Martinez after Lenglet’s error was in front of us. It was interesting to see Martinez hugging him after and telling him to get on with it. Very different story a minute or two later when Konsa was giving Moreno absolute pelters after an attack down our left that led to another corner.
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: VillaTim on January 28, 2024, 12:41:10 AM
Moreno not looking his old self , we miss Digne somewhat
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on January 28, 2024, 01:32:16 AM
Imagine it 15 months ago when El Affitaq's newly-recontracted manager was our fucking leader.

He was never a "leader".

This

He was, still is, and will forever be a gigantic ******
Title: Re: Chelsea vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
Post by: BC54 VFC on January 28, 2024, 11:37:45 PM
I didn’t recognise Zaniolo with his new Blonde Barnet.
All the rage in Brum 1984. 
Quite. I thought for a minute we'd signed Simon Le Bon; his blonde bob was accentuated by the fact we were looking down on him from the upper tier.
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