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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2024, 04:03:19 PM
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We go again
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Hoping the wheels havent come off this season.
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Not impressed.
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We don't do nil nil dr- ... ah. Shite.
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Turd
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Frustrating. Sank to their level a little bit.
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Poor game, poorly ref'd and starting to get a sense that we're being found out.
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I haven't seen any of it but sounds like we had the best chances?
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Take a point. Worst ref of the season.Outplayed a tough Everton.Tarkowski should have walked.
Lenglet my motm
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Last thing Dyche wants is a game of football to break out, ably assisted by the referee. In fairness, did not do enough to win
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Much better second half. Moreno had his best half since his comeback and really should've had an assist.
Personally I'd have started Cash. I think away from home just starting Konsa game after game is a little bit too negative and reflects in us never doing much attacking first half.
A game we could've comfortably won. Think we'll get six points from our next two so no reason to panic.
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Everton got what they wanted a battling and niggly point, they will continue to circle the drain.
Felt we played their game a bit too much rather than our own, interesting couple of weeks before the window shuts as I think the squad could do with a freshening up,
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Well that's it, it's out of our hands which is a bit disappointing in middle of Jan.
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Everton are just a modern day Wimbledon. Imagine spending the money they have over the last decade and that's the end result.
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I haven't seen any of it but sounds like we had the best chances?
We didn't create enough
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Utterly frustrating game reffed by an incompetent and played against a horribly cynical side
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Need tielemans and Ramsey both fit as soon as possible
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Another referee who ruined the game. It’s becoming difficult to watch these games. VAR was supposed to improve things but it hasn’t. Everton are shite and I hope they finally and deservedly get relegated. Their fans are truly embarrassing.
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Crap match. Thought Tielemans, the backs and Luiz were okay.
Coote is absolutely atrocious and it needs to be addressed. Thats two matches in a row he’s completely lost control and the game turns into a brawl. The low standard to officiate at this level is astounding.
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I haven't seen any of it but sounds like we had the best chances?
They had 1 very good chance, we had 5-6 decent chances that got blocked/saved or went just wide.
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Clean sheet and another point.
Awful ref.
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Typical Sean Dyche football and we fell into the trap. Everton are a woeful side and we needed that early goal for the anti football tactics to fail. Sadly the one we got was offside and from that moment on we weren't good enough to rise above it.
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Everton are a dirty nightly cheating bunch of twats and the ref was their enabler.
We did not look top 4 material on that showing.
It’s a long tim since we played well.
Let’s hope the break helps.
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Got to find a way to beat these piss poor sides.
Ref was awful, Tarkowski with a Mee tackle on Diaby.
Brawn and little ability is all a Dyche team has, they are welcome to watch that garbage week in week out
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Shit.
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Why didn’t we just go for it with loads of pressure on the goal in the last 10 minutes
They were playing for a draw and we’re out on their feet We just pissed around all the time at the back
Game was there for the winning but we were too laid-back
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Im relieved with the point.
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Awful game. I didn't think we were too bad but not enough to get over the line and that will be the difference come the end of the season.
They're just a bunch of fucking bloggers, hate Dyche and his awful football but we should rise above it.
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Thank God I don't have to pay to watch Everton each week. Compare the 2 manager's coaching styles - For Everton read Burnley Mk 2. We never really got going, I don't think starting Bailey and Diaby should be a regilar occurrence away from home.
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? what is out of our hands?
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Hoping the wheels havent come off this season.
I don't think so but its going to be hard going to secure fourth.
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That was a really poor tackle by Tarkowski on Diaby. Reckless and endangered the opponent. It’s a penalty despite getting the ball.
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We certainly created enough to win that and didnt look under too much threat, so shame not to get 3pts.
That said, a clean sheet and a point away from home is always a decent result if you back it up with wins at home, which i'm confident we will do.
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We got Dyche-balled. We lost to Forest on a similar game so I’m glad we can mix it too.
I put on the match thread that we take the 0-0 and move on.
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? what is out of our hands?
He's joking mate.
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A shame the ref couldn't head one in for them, it was the only way they were going to score.
Turgid Dycheball bobbins.
On the plus side, that prat can't ref us every week.
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Not great. Pau is so important to our attacking game - where is he?! At least we didn’t lose, but we looked off it for the most part.
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Everton didn't try to win. We played Ok, but lacked creativity at times.
Tarkowski, Onane and Coleman can go play on the motorway.
Referee hadn't a clue.
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We didn't play badly and were the better team, but sometimes I feel like we need to show a bit more urgency. The game was there for the taking. We matched them physically though, we're no longer pushovers that's for sure.
Ref was pathetic, pointless yellow cards given.
Lenglet my MOTM plus Moreno did well and Tielemans made a difference when he game on.
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? what is out of our hands?
The title, I believe.
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Something seems to have gone a little stale with our play in the final third. The zip/conviction isn't there at the moment.
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Most frustrating part of that is we fell for Dyche's tactics and went to their level. Horrible team, awful ground and a dinosaur as a manger. Please let thus be the season they go. Will take the point and move on. Newcastle will go toe to toe with us and hopefully a Torres and JJ fit.
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Interesting taking Bailey and Diaby off - missed that pace, but in Emery we trust.
Need a couple of fresh faces and key players to fit and firing. The break has come at the right time for us.
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The biggest relief is that donkey assassin Tarkowski didn't take out one or more of our players for the season/ ever.
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It had to happen - a 0-0. A point away and a clean sheet isn't the worst outcome. What happened to Pau? We are so much better and balanced when he plays. And Ramsey? apparently injured ffs! Where did that come from?! He was pictured training only a couple of days ago.
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On another day we have a pen or two and they have a man or two sent off with another ref. Coleman and Tarkowski should/could have walked.
I didnt get the subs today in the sense that Duran is good in the air but we took both wingers off when bringing him on.
Was a bit strange.
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Knew it would be a horrible, niggly game. It's an away point and Spurs can't go above us today. Onwards and upwards.
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I haven't seen any of it but sounds like we had the best chances?
DCL had the best chance of the game
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If we're going to start winning these games then Tielemans is going to be crucial for us.
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We weren’t awful but we are certainly off the pace compared to what we were. An away point and clean sheet isn’t the worst but we have to find a way to open teams up who sit back.
Hopefully Torres and Ramsey will be back for the next game but if we want to finish where we are we need a couple in which doesn’t look like happening.
Another terrible referee but that’s standard for everyone now.
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Everton are just a modern day Wimbledon. Imagine spending the money they have over the last decade and that's the end result.
They're pretty much what we were under Lambert tbh, willing runners in midfield and upfront but a real lack of quality on the ball and just booting it anywhere.
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As it was said before it is a good point if we win at home.our next matches.
UTV
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Poor game, we didn’t create too many clear cut chances, but if you can’t win away don’t lose, a points a point. I don’t think we should be too downhearted, we are still in the mix.
Hopefully the 12 day break till Chelsea, gives us the chance to get Torres and Ramsey back and Tielemans up to speed, though he had some lovely touches when he came on. I thought Lenglet was really good, but our way of playing is structured largely around Torres and his superb passing through the lines.
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Exactly what you'd expect from a dire Everton team & a wholly incompetent referee. Whatever wasn't spoilt by Everton the ref made sure it was.
I know it's a strong field but I fucking hate Coote, by some distance the worst of the lot.
Diaby should have done down when challenged but was lucky he didn't get a serious injury from the challenge that followed.
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I haven't seen any of it but sounds like we had the best chances?
DCL had the best chance of the game
You always find an angle to......
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A clean sheet against a side fighting for their lives. We have too many players under par at the moment and have lost that link player who draws their players out of position and allows Bailey and Watkins a bit more freedom. Thanksfully, Tielemans is on his way back. Under par performance but when we have Bailey, Diaby, McGinn and Ollie not at their best, we will struggle. Tarkowski is a wanker. Duran has a screw loose. We were too lax at times with the ball, and the final ball in wasn't quite there.
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Whatever the number of goals we scored in the first half of the season, I'll be surprised if we manage to score half that in the second half. We rarely look like scoring now, Duran for all his faults at least looks like he knows where the goal is.
Everton's defence are thugs. Diaby and Moreno both lucky not to have their season finished. Feel sorry for Evertonians having to watch that shit every week. Our games against them are normally end to end entertainment. They now play like a really shit pub team. Dyche will be proud of that performance.
As for the ref, he's not fit to ref in the Sunday league.
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As it was said before it is a good point if we win at home.our next matches.
UTV
We should be beating Newcastle with all their issues.
Use these two weeks to get Tielemans properly fit and starting that game.
I also can't believe we're not going to beat Sheffield United home or away this season. Last opponent we should be complacent against given what happened at VP.
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To get to the next level we need to have the players and depth of squad to overcome games and opponents like this. But let’s not go overboard. We grabbed a point which is valuable. And as we have all seen the sides around us all drop points. Man City I fully expect will run away with it and Liverpool will be second. But we will have just as much chance as Arsenal, Spurs for that 3rd or 4th spot.
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Just keep believing…we will see what happens
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Good clean sheet anyway. So much better at back when Carlos went off and we reshuffled things. Improved after the subs and both Cash and Duran went close. Watkins had a disappointing second half and none of our other forwards threatened really. Midfield two very solid. Id give Lenglet our motm maybe, unflustered. Negatives....McGinn is struggling at the moment, Carlos spread panic.
Martinez 8 - huge double save. Best keeper in division.
Konsa 6 - very average at right back, so much better in middle.
Carlos 4 - so lucky to get away with playing offside 5 yards into their half, he's an idiot really
Lenglet 8 - very good throughout, didn't understand his signing but proving his worth
Moreno 7 - very unfortunate with goal, defended well but maybe could have done more going forward. Made chance for Cash
Kamara 7 - solid display, bit loose in possession at times but we dominated in there
Luiz 8 - very good, got us playing after a sticky start some flashes of his early season form
Bailey 6 - thought he was ok and maybe unfortunate to be hooked
McGinn 5 - just looks a bit flat to me, very poor first half
Diaby 5 - anonymous in first half but maybe Emery could have waited another 5-10 mins before hooking him
Watkins 6 - much quieter second half after a strong opening
Not a big Duran fan but very close to a cracking winner, Tielemans not fully fit but did ok, Cash improved us straight away, created Duran chance and forced a brilliant block.
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That was a really poor tackle by Tarkowski on Diaby. Reckless and endangered the opponent. It’s a penalty despite getting the ball.
Thought our players should have made a lot more of that. Shocking tackle and he repeated the dose a few minutes later on Moreno. He's another Ben Mee type thug.
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The biggest relief is that donkey assassin Tarkowski didn't take out one or more of our players for the season/ ever.
The challenge of Diaby was reminiscent of Mee on Wesley, total thug
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Coleman as, the fucking shaved monkey.
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8 out 10 for Luiz?! He lost the ball on a number of occasions, thought he was average. Kamara and Tielemans far more consistent with the ball.
Watkins cut a frustrated figure. That dodgy first touch returned to let him down a few times. He also is inclined to do that thing where if there is a sniff of a shot on, he'll take it even if a teammate is in a better position (like McGinn was in the second half). I think he feels he earns these less-than-half chances for all the running off the ball he does.
The width disappeared when Bailey and Diaby went off until Cash came on and in fairness that whipped ball for Duran was good and there wasn't much more he could have done to get a deft touch on it.
I think we need a right-sided attacking option this window. Someone of real quality that will also be a boost to the squad as there are signs that we're flat-lining a little at the moment.
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Dreadful game of football. The points tally has fortunately covered the fact that we usually just don't play very well away from Villa Park. That's 1 goal in 8 for Watkins now.
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That was a really poor tackle by Tarkowski on Diaby. Reckless and endangered the opponent. It’s a penalty despite getting the ball.
Thought our players should have made a lot more of that. Shocking tackle and he repeated the dose a few minutes later on Moreno. He's another Ben Mee type thug.
Yeah - if that was Duran, he would be rolling around and angrily barking at the ref. Diaby seems a quieter individual and didn't make enough of it.
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I haven't seen any of it but sounds like we had the best chances?
DCL had the best chance of the game
It would have been the best chance of the game if it wasn't DCL.
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Can’t see Duran working.
Doesn’t seem a team player, always moaning at others, not on same wavelength as rest of team.
Nearly scored but still don’t rate.
Diaby could have had pen if he went down.
Dragged down to their level.
Dougie and kamarra solid.
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I haven't seen any of it but sounds like we had the best chances?
DCL had the best chance of the game
It would have been the best chance of the game if it wasn't DCL.
I made a point which was said to be harsh at the time that Emi would have saved in the same situation in the home league cup game, and I was fucking right
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Lenglet 8 - very good throughout, didn't understand his signing but proving his worth
Weird thing to say when both the loan players were to replace key players pretty much taken out for a season whilst a transfer window was still open. We don't have Mings or Buendia injured, we don't have those players in.
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That was a really poor tackle by Tarkowski on Diaby. Reckless and endangered the opponent. It’s a penalty despite getting the ball.
Thought our players should have made a lot more of that. Shocking tackle and he repeated the dose a few minutes later on Moreno. He's another Ben Mee type thug.
Both learnt from Dyche whilst at Burnley.
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Can’t see Duran working.
Doesn’t seem a team player, always moaning at others, not on same wavelength as rest of team.
Nearly scored but still don’t rate.
Diaby could have had pen if he went down.
Dragged down to their level.
Dougie and kamarra solid.
You say not on the same wavelength - for the chance that went just past the post he made a great run and pointed to Cash as to where he wanted it and it got there. Had it crept in it would have been a great goal.
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I didn't think we played too bad overall really. If the disallowed goal stands, we go on and win it. The ref was indeed fucking awful. You could tell 15 minutes in he was going to be hard work.
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The only way to beat these stubborn teams is to play the ball much faster. We piss around at the back for so long that it then gives our opponents plenty of time to get their defensive formation right. I don’t think we did enough to win it so will gladly take the point. However, we need to step out of our lethargy to maintain our push for top 4.
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Poor game. Easily the better side and the only one with any ambition beyond falling over/launching it long. But not enough quality in the final third. A definite case of 2 points dropped.
We had acres of space throughout in midfield, but couldn't find the final ball at all. Crossing poor as well when in position to do something.
The goal would have changed the game had it stood. It would have probably won it given how awful Everton are.
Clearly a bit of a weakness of sorts at the moment against ambitionless sides who sit in. Finding that early goal or that alternative will come.
Absolute chaos in the box towards the end where I thiugh surely we would put it in, equally the header that goes a whisker wide. Not to be.
A word for the referee who was fucking abysmal.
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Kamara is my man of the match
We got mugged off by Everton they dragged us down to their level As soon as it kicked off I knew we were not gonna be winning they got what they wanted a Scrap with a little football being played
So if you play into the oppositions hands you won’t be getting much back
It’s difficult and frustrating to watch because you know that we have far superior players but they aren’t making it count
I haven’t got as big a problem with the ref as most others on here, he wasn’t great but I’m thinking any game involving Everton isn’t gonna be easy
As I’ve said before the pedestrian pace we play at the end of games when we need a goal does my head in
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Better side, but probably didn't quite do enough to force the win (though I do think the VAR was dubious). I thought we looked a lot more solid when we made changes and Konsa went back to CB.
Bailey and Diaby are too weak to play togethrr in more physical away games and both lose the ball too often. We need last season's Jacob Ramsery back along with Tielemans in the attacking midfielder role for those kind of games.
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not conceded a goal this year yet . thats at least one good thing.
dropped to Burnleys level a bit tonight and a few under par players to be fair. tho we miss Pau I actually thought Lenglet was good. Not sure whats going on with Diaby . I really thought was Cash was going to scire that winner , great block but If he could have just dummied the shot and do a sidestep into the empty net but you need a Silva type football brain for that .
Oh the ref - is this premier quality? no its sunday morning down the local park.
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Lenglet 8 - very good throughout, didn't understand his signing but proving his worth
Weird thing to say when both the loan players were to replace key players pretty much taken out for a season whilst a transfer window was still open. We don't have Mings or Buendia injured, we don't have those players in.
I thought at the time we already had Carlos and Torres who could play LCB and didn't think Lenglet would play much. Thought competition for Cash at RB should have been prioritised instead. Never impressed me much at Spurs either when I saw him. But bar a very ropey debut Lenglet has been very solid for us. Carlos, bar the two games against City and Arsenal has been a liability.
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We totally and utterly lack killer instinct.
Too much pissing about being ‘true’ to our philosophy.
Liuz was like a liability and Diaby has become the invisible man
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Can’t see Duran working.
Doesn’t seem a team player, always moaning at others, not on same wavelength as rest of team.
Nearly scored but still don’t rate.
Diaby could have had pen if he went down.
Dragged down to their level.
Dougie and kamarra solid.
You say not on the same wavelength - for the chance that went just past the post he made a great run and pointed to Cash as to where he wanted it and it got there. Had it crept in it would have been a great goal.
Agreed on that, but also saw him missing the balls into space, Watkins was frustrated with him.
And when he messes it up moans about others.
Creates chaos, but limited.
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Whoever thought Duran was the ideal back up striker for Watkins really does need a word.
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We totally and utterly lack killer instinct.
Too much pissing about being ‘true’ to our philosophy.
Liuz was like a liability and Diaby has become the invisible man
Sticking to our principles and pissing about has yielded more points in a year than we've enjoyed since we won the league.
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We totally and utterly lack killer instinct.
Too much pissing about being ‘true’ to our philosophy.
Liuz was like a liability and Diaby has become the invisible man
Sticking to our principles and pissing about has yielded more points in a year than we've enjoyed since we won the league.
Like the much maligned (by pundits with ham for brains) high line.
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With a stronger ref we’d have been playing against 10 men. Basically the crowd were reffing that game. Pathetic.
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Whoever thought Duran was the ideal back up striker for Watkins really does need a word.
One of his better cameos today, very close to getting the winner
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Just keep believing…we will see what happens
Let's keep religion out of this please!
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Yeah Duran did well, competed with them physically. Thought we should have had a penalty with the lunge at Diaby.
I'd like Everton to drop. 30 years I've been going there and I've had just about as much as I can tolerate now of them never supporting their side, but moaning constantly and speculatively calling handball on every possible ocassion. Fuck off you turds, time to be flushed.
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Whoever thought Duran was the ideal back up striker for Watkins really does need a word.
One of his better cameos today, very close to getting the winner
He stopped running in the last few minutes seemingly in a strop. I’m not sure he has the right temperament. There’s a spark, but we need more than that if we’re going to finish top 4.
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Whoever thought Duran was the ideal back up striker for Watkins really does need a word.
True yet today Duran was the more effective of the two. We desperately need some serious competition up front.
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We were the better side, but didn't create too many good chances. They created even less, and we do need to play it more quickly.
Martínez and the defenders were still playing out slowly well towards the end.
Diaby seems to have lost all his impact whilst Durán spent too much energy berating his team mates or lying on the turf. It's no wonder Watkins was having a heated word with him after the final whistle.
I though Lenglet and Kamara were the best today.
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Konsa is wasted at right back in these type of games which is why a right back is an Essential signing if FFP allows.
Obviously Emery doesn't like Cash but I felt like he should have come on earlier today.
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He was there for height. Everton are a dreadful long ball team who look for diagonals. They mainly hit the left owing to Moreno, but once even that limited ambition had gone, we got Cashy involved.
We need a Grealish type.
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We were the better side, but didn't create too many good chances. They created even less, and we do need to play it more quickly.
Martínez and the defenders were still playing out slowly well towards the end.
Playing out slowly only works if the opposition forwards and midfield are pressing hard. Everton at that stage had no interest in pressing us, that Beto didn't have a kick that I recall. Martinez needed to play it a lot quicker.
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Another below par away performance, can't think of a really decent chance we created, still we got a point and came within an inch of getting 3, what a cracking goal it would've been from Moreno. I thought Kamara now looks like he's getting back to his best and also credit to Lenglet, has much improved in recent games.
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Duran spent too much time again getting involved in fracas with defenders . He's a loose cannon
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..Durán spent too much energy berating his team mates or lying on the turf. It's no wonder Watkins was having a heated word with him after the final whistle.
Maybe there was an opportunity for Duran to have headed the ball down to Watkins who had space rather than go for goal. In Duran's defence the chance of Watkins controlling it would be close to zero. A first time shot however.. probably straight at the keeper. We'll never know.
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..Durán spent too much energy berating his team mates or lying on the turf. It's no wonder Watkins was having a heated word with him after the final whistle.
Maybe there was an opportunity for Duran to have headed the ball down to Watkins who had space rather than go for goal. In Duran's defence the chance of Watkins controlling it would be close to zero. A first time shot however.. probably straight at the keeper. We'll never know.
You really don’t rate Watkins.
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Yeah Duran did well, competed with them physically. Thought we should have had a penalty with the lunge at Diaby.
I'd like Everton to drop. 30 years I've been going there and I've had just about as much as I can tolerate now of them never supporting their side, but moaning constantly and speculatively calling handball on every possible ocassion. Fuck off you turds, time to be flushed.
This. Every day & always...
I think "handball" & that weird high pitched whine they do every few seconds are the only chants that they know...
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We weren’t very good collectively. I think looking for an individual to point the finger at is a waste of time as too many were under par.
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..Durán spent too much energy berating his team mates or lying on the turf. It's no wonder Watkins was having a heated word with him after the final whistle.
Maybe there was an opportunity for Duran to have headed the ball down to Watkins who had space rather than go for goal. In Duran's defence the chance of Watkins controlling it would be close to zero. A first time shot however.. probably straight at the keeper. We'll never know.
You really don’t rate Watkins.
He's probably still having a go at El Ghazi, even if the poor bugger's without a club! ;)
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That was a really poor tackle by Tarkowski on Diaby. Reckless and endangered the opponent. It’s a penalty despite getting the ball.
Thought our players should have made a lot more of that. Shocking tackle and he repeated the dose a few minutes later on Moreno. He's another Ben Mee type thug.
Yeah - if that was Duran, he would be rolling around and angrily barking at the ref. Diaby seems a quieter individual and didn't make enough of it.
Wan-Bissaka was booked for a very similar tackle on Johnson in the ManU Spurs game. Won the ball but it was out of control and reckless. If we’d surrounded the referee like the sky6 do, it would have been a penalty.
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We weren’t very good collectively. I think looking for an individual to point the finger at is a waste of time as too many were under par.
McGinn was really off today , one eye on his holidays ?
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Did we win it on xG? Please, it's important.
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All match Watkins was in Tarkowski's pocket. Nobody thought to tell him to move out wide then cut in to switch it up once?
A dire snoozefest with appalling officiating which is the standard in the Premier League now.
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We weren’t very good collectively. I think looking for an individual to point the finger at is a waste of time as too many were under par.
Agreed
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That was a really poor tackle by Tarkowski on Diaby. Reckless and endangered the opponent. It’s a penalty despite getting the ball.
Thought our players should have made a lot more of that. Shocking tackle and he repeated the dose a few minutes later on Moreno. He's another Ben Mee type thug.
Yeah - if that was Duran, he would be rolling around and angrily barking at the ref. Diaby seems a quieter individual and didn't make enough of it.
Wan-Bissaka was booked for a very similar tackle on Johnson in the ManU Spurs game. Won the ball but it was out of control and reckless. If we’d surrounded the referee like the sky6 do, it would have been a penalty.
Thought the Tarkowski was worse than this one.
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We weren’t very good collectively. I think looking for an individual to point the finger at is a waste of time as too many were under par.
McGinn was really off today , one eye on his holidays ?
He's never as good playing on the left.
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Another below par away performance, can't think of a really decent chance we created, still we got a point and came within an inch of getting 3, what a cracking goal it would've been from Moreno. I thought Kamara now looks like he's getting back to his best and also credit to Lenglet, has much improved in recent games.
Baileys near post strike and Cash's blocked effort probably the two.
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As I’ve said before the pedestrian pace we play at the end of games when we need a goal does my head in
Frustrating at times but it's how Unai wants it.
Emery in his post-match interview: "Even in injury time, we were trying to play with the same idea, trying not to lose our minds. Keeping our game-plan in our mind and in the end we got some chances to score and this is the way"
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Just keep believing…we will see what happens
Let's keep religion out of this please!
Maybe it's magick.
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..Durán spent too much energy berating his team mates or lying on the turf. It's no wonder Watkins was having a heated word with him after the final whistle.
Maybe there was an opportunity for Duran to have headed the ball down to Watkins who had space rather than go for goal. In Duran's defence the chance of Watkins controlling it would be close to zero. A first time shot however.. probably straight at the keeper. We'll never know.
You really don’t rate Watkins.
Put it like this, I don't love him as much as you do (assuming you're not his agent) but then very few do.
Watkins can be either extremely frustrating, like he's been recently or a top goalscorer. It's one or the other with very little in between.
That said, if Emery is going to rely on Watkins to be our main goal threat we should at least adapt our play to his strengths. Today, he was hardly in the game but then we tried too often to play it through the middle where he was easily marked out the game. Diaby was poor too. I'd certainly be looking to try and get early, low crosses into the box against teams like Everton, Sheff Utd etc as the centre of the park is far too congested.
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As I’ve said before the pedestrian pace we play at the end of games when we need a goal does my head in
Frustrating at times but it's how Unai wants it.
Emery in his post-match interview: "Even in injury time, we were trying to play with the same idea, trying not to lose our minds. Keeping our game-plan in our mind and in the end we got some chances to score and this is the way"
Indeed, ‘the way’ has got us to 3rd past the halfway mark
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..Durán spent too much energy berating his team mates or lying on the turf. It's no wonder Watkins was having a heated word with him after the final whistle.
Maybe there was an opportunity for Duran to have headed the ball down to Watkins who had space rather than go for goal. In Duran's defence the chance of Watkins controlling it would be close to zero. A first time shot however.. probably straight at the keeper. We'll never know.
You really don’t rate Watkins.
He's probably still having a go at El Ghazi, even if the poor bugger's without a club! ;)
Ha! He's not even Poundland Ronaldo. The only thing they have in common are the eyebrows. ;)
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Ref was beyond appalling.
Thought we looked out of ideas and the zip we normally have. If ever there was an advert for anti football it's Dyches teams.
Squad needs freshening up even if only one new face
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As I’ve said before the pedestrian pace we play at the end of games when we need a goal does my head in
Frustrating at times but it's how Unai wants it.
Emery in his post-match interview: "Even in injury time, we were trying to play with the same idea, trying not to lose our minds. Keeping our game-plan in our mind and in the end we got some chances to score and this is the way"
It’s hard to argue against him for the way we have played for over 12 months now.
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I keep seeing comments about the pace of Diaby and Bailey but, what I see a lot of the time is them not using that pace to go past a defender but, rather, cut back and just playing the ball backwards. In fairness, Bailey had been decent in the last few games but, today, not so good.
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Did we win it on xG? Please, it's important.
https://twitter.com/xGPhilosophy/status/1746563563760554286?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Gulp
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Ref was beyond appalling.
Thought we looked out of ideas and the zip we normally have. If ever there was an advert for anti football it's Dyches teams.
Squad needs freshening up even if only one new face
I'm wondering if we might move Zaniolo on. We have glaring weaknesses elsewhere in the squad.
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Everton sucked us into a physical battle which obviously suited their shite "style" of hoofball and we fell for it, Tielamans played some lovely passes when he came on. Hope he starts the next game.
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W6 D3 L1 in our last 10. We're still doing ok.
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Yeah we could do with winning that Newcastle game though.
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Everton 0-0 Aston Villa: Visitors miss chance to go level on points with Liverpool - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67904869
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Newcastle are 17th in form for the last 10, W3 D0 L7. We're 3rd. 1 point behind Liverpool and Bournemouth.
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In a nutshell, this had everything that I dislike about Everton, awful football, awful ground, awful players, awful manager awful supporters. I said in the pre-match thread we need to find ways of beating teams like this and for a large part of the first half I thought we had. Unfortunately we descended to their level in the second half. Thought Kamara was excellent though and Tielemans was good when he came on. Overall a good point
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W6 D3 L1 in our last 10. We're still doing ok.
Performance-wise though, Man Citeh was a masterclass but every game since we haven't really reached the consistency of 80% of our league games up to that point this season.
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Well we could play the endlessly sexy football of Spurs, and be W4 D2 L4.
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Tielemans needs to be careful though. He got fouled two times in the passage of play after jug ears tried to dismember Moreno and was booked :o.
All the time Coleman was running around demented. Ref completely lost it 2nd half.
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I think we were the better team and unlucky not to win. To be honest, its not an awful result but we do seem to struggle to breakdown teams currently.
I think its too many injuries and off form players in a small squad (most of them attacking minded ones). Zanilio is a massive downgrade on Beundia unfortunately, Diaby is clearly a quality player but has had more off days than on in the last 15 games. Ramsay just doesnt look right since he came back (maybe linked to why he wasnt available today), and Tielemans looks quality now he has settled and just unfortunate hes been injured.
Pau missing is also big - I think without him, it makes Konsa at right back more of an issue as we dont have someone breaking the lines, nor any additional threat on the right.
We also need to stop getting drawn into silly fights
A new rightback, and maybe a swap of Zanilo for someone else would be great but looks unlikely.
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Well we could play the endlessly sexy football of Spurs, and be W4 D2 L4.
True and we are a little more street-wise and organised than them but we're lacking spark at the moment and that can be difficult to find again.
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David Coote was also the ref for the Brentford game. I can see the common denominator for our 2 niggly as feck games this season.
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Watkins did ok considering he didn’t get much service.
Bailey and Diaby didn’t do much.
McGinn was poor.
Longlet did ok.
Everton are ugly. Imagine watching that shit week in week out?
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Watkins did ok considering he didn’t get much service.
Bailey and Diaby didn’t do much.
McGinn was poor.
Longlet did ok.
Everton are ugly. Imagine watching that shit week in week out?
That crowd would be the same if they won the fucking league. Moaning, whining ******.
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Newcastle are 17th in form for the last 10, W3 D0 L7. We're 3rd. 1 point behind Liverpool and Bournemouth.
Newcastle fell apart in the second half yesterday, classic sign of a team with low confidence.
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..Durán spent too much energy berating his team mates or lying on the turf. It's no wonder Watkins was having a heated word with him after the final whistle.
Maybe there was an opportunity for Duran to have headed the ball down to Watkins who had space rather than go for goal. In Duran's defence the chance of Watkins controlling it would be close to zero. A first time shot however.. probably straight at the keeper. We'll never know.
You really don’t rate Watkins.
Put it like this, I don't love him as much as you do (assuming you're not his agent) but then very few do.
Watkins can be either extremely frustrating, like he's been recently or a top goalscorer. It's one or the other with very little in between.
That said, if Emery is going to rely on Watkins to be our main goal threat we should at least adapt our play to his strengths. Today, he was hardly in the game but then we tried too often to play it through the middle where he was easily marked out the game. Diaby was poor too. I'd certainly be looking to try and get early, low crosses into the box against teams like Everton, Sheff Utd etc as the centre of the park is far too congested.
I think you’ve made a jump there with me ‘loving’ Watkins, you could scour through 100s of posts and not find many comments on me loving Ollie. But obviously life is too short for that. So its easier if I tell you what I think, in my opinion, he’s a very good forward, one of the best in the division, not up there with Haaland or Salah, but certainly better than the rest. But like most players he does have shortcomings.
I just think your praise of him is begrudging and you find fault when there is no real need. it would be more honest if you said you don’t really rate him but that would leave open to be shot down when he’s doing really well, but maybe you have and I missed it.
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Very few don't love Watkins? Where did you get that from?
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'Villa fail to go joint-top with Everton draw | Emery: Martinez saved us'
http://www.skysports.com/share/13045433
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I like Watkins, he had a tough game today though with that thug all over him all game
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All match Watkins was in Tarkowski's pocket. Nobody thought to tell him to move out wide then cut in to switch it up once?
A dire snoozefest with appalling officiating which is the standard in the Premier League now.
disagree with almost everything you've said there, apart from your observation on the officiating.
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Need our autumnal mojo back. However, if this period is our blip for the season I’d take it.
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All match Watkins was in Tarkowski's pocket. Nobody thought to tell him to move out wide then cut in to switch it up once?
A dire snoozefest with appalling officiating which is the standard in the Premier League now.
disagree with almost everything you've said there.
Hasn't his ridulously good form coincided with being told specifically not to fuck off out wide?
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All match Watkins was in Tarkowski's pocket. Nobody thought to tell him to move out wide then cut in to switch it up once?
A dire snoozefest with appalling officiating which is the standard in the Premier League now.
disagree with almost everything you've said there.
Agreed.
Not the game I watched.
He might not have scored but worked tirelessly again.
He had to spend half his time making sure he wasn't going to get his leg broken by the thug.
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Anyone think it is worth a go to have Diaby play on the wing for a bit? I think he needs to get a bit of open space to run into and take advantage of his strengths. When he is up too, he has little room to work and disappears.
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Just watched it...Emi, Lenglet, Moreno, Tielemans and Kamara excellent. We created some good chances but the finishing was not good enough for a top 4 challenge. McGinn seems to have gone off the boil and something needs to be done with both Zaniolo and Duran as they are not contributing sufficiently to the team.
Ref was a clown.
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I just think your praise of him is begrudging and you find fault when there is no real need. it would be more honest if you said you don’t really rate him but that would leave open to be shot down when he’s doing really well, but maybe you have and I missed it.
I highly rate certain parts of his game and have had no problem in highlighting them and it's not just his goals. Only the other day I was waxing lyrical about two of his assists that were absolutely superb. I love how he gets himself into scoring positions, something not many strikers master.
At the same time he can be extremely frustrating, mainly his lack of a half decent first touch, his shots like the one today that he didn't have a chance in hell of scoring from and his AEG habit of endlessly shooting straight at the keeper. He's also prone to play musical statues next to a defender rather than look for space to receive a forward ball.
It's games like today where you want a striker who if not scoring can stretch the opposition, opening up spaces for the attack, just be a constant nuisance for the opposition defence. Is he the complete centre forward? Of course not. Is he a natural goalscorer? Yes. His record is there for all to see. Ask me again in a couple of weeks if he's still on a barren run. Until then let's hope he gets better service and he does what he does best.
Oh and that Dougie Luiz needs shooting for not shooting today. What's going on with him?
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We did look like a good team I thought, it was good to see that we seems to have a concistensy with high performance showings now. I thought all of the staring 11 did good showings, dont agree with those that talk down Mcginn though we are used to very good performances from him. Special mention of course to Martinez - he actually did manage to top his usual world class standard somehow I thought. Lenglet nearly as good as Torres - did manage to start attacks like Torres. Less said about Everton the better. Duran and Zaniolo not on same wavelength as the others and like to try to impress on their own and mostly fails and the team suffer when they do come on IMO - I think time are running out for them a bit with regard to establish them self in the team.
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If Bailey was offside why did VAR look at whether Lenglet was in an offside position blocking the keeper’s view of Moreno’s shot?
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Anyone think it is worth a go to have Diaby play on the wing for a bit? I think he needs to get a bit of open space to run into and take advantage of his strengths. When he is up too, he has little room to work and disappears.
needs a ball over the top to run onto. His pace is his main asset and we don't use it.
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I just think your praise of him is begrudging and you find fault when there is no real need. it would be more honest if you said you don’t really rate him but that would leave open to be shot down when he’s doing really well, but maybe you have and I missed it.
I highly rate certain parts of his game and have had no problem in highlighting them and it's not just his goals. Only the other day I was waxing lyrical about two of his assists that were absolutely superb. I love how he gets himself into scoring positions, something not many strikers master.
At the same time he can be extremely frustrating, mainly his lack of a half decent first touch, his shots like the one today that he didn't have a chance in hell of scoring from and his AEG habit of endlessly shooting straight at the keeper. He's also prone to play musical statues next to a defender rather than look for space to receive a forward ball.
It's games like today where you want a striker who if not scoring can stretch the opposition, opening up spaces for the attack, just be a constant nuisance for the opposition defence. Is he the complete centre forward? Of course not. Is he a natural goalscorer? Yes. His record is there for all to see. Ask me again in a couple of weeks if he's still on a barren run. Until then let's hope he gets better service and he does what he does best.
Oh and that Dougie Luiz needs shooting for not shooting today. What's going on with him?
Agree re Dougie and the same corner routine over and over!
I thought McGinn should of done better with the one he hit wide, itvreally opened up for him.
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Hoping the wheels havent come off this season.
We've won 2 of the last 3 and lost 1 in 14.... what's the panic?
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Hoping the wheels havent come off this season.
We've won 2 of the last 3 and lost 1 in 14.... what's the panic?
I don't think we've played that well since Citeh. It's obviously good that we've only lost one in that spell but five points from the last four is not what anyone would have expected on paper. My own assessment is that we've been stumbling these last few matches and a defeat or two doesn't seem far off. What I hope is that this is the bad run, we get back to our best and look back on these results as good value. Time will tell.
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We haven’t been that good since Citeh but we’ve also been pretty disrupted by injuries/suspensions to key players. We’re still getting reasonable results so let’s hope these 12 days off give us a chance to recharge.
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Kamara, Torres and Tielemans all missing have been a big problem.
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Hoping the wheels havent come off this season.
We've won 2 of the last 3 and lost 1 in 14.... what's the panic?
Favourable run of games of late perhaps. That said I thought we were much better today than at Old Trafford for example. Bar Carlos brainfart, we were very solid out of possession today. Lacked a bit of inspiration at top end of pitch but we nick a 0-1 and most would have said it was deserved on the balance of play. Moreno, Lenglet very solid after coming into the team. Tielemans good to have him back. Luiz/Kamara dominated midfield. When Cash came in we looked much better in and out of possession.
On the flipside McGinn in particular is struggling and Watkins form maybe a bit flat too. Diaby and Bailey in the same team doesn't seem to work either. Options were limited today with Ramsey out, mind.
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Luiz did well from a winning the ball standpoint, but his passing was dreadful today. So many completely overhit balls, infuriating.
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Luiz did well from a winning the ball standpoint, but his passing was dreadful today. So many completely overhit balls, infuriating.
Very harsh...thought he got turned on the ball in tight spaces constantly and ran with the ball really well at times. He's been caught ahead of the ball too much lately and thought he was much more disciplined today next to Kamara. Misplaced a few passes for sure but also found Moreno a lot in space. Movement ahead of him was poor in the second half until Cash came in.
Kamara had a solid game but he seems to have one mistake a game where he loses the ball in a dangerous spot. In any case, as a pair thought they were very solid today and won the midfield battle easily.
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Hoping the wheels havent come off this season.
We've won 2 of the last 3 and lost 1 in 14.... what's the panic?
Brummie mindset.
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Kamara I thought was very good , Luiz and McGinn both had real off days. McGinn just wasn't on it, Luiz seemed irritated all game getting involved in superfluous nonsense and not focused on controlling the game. Defence and keeper did fine today bar the Carlos playing offside moment in their half. We lacked creative edge today against a very average side . Despite the break we still look drained.
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There's no panic, but we haven't played well for a few games now, and in terms of recent form it's 1 win in 4. This season has been anazing, and we're still second but I don't want to see us fizzle out. And we're really not playing that well away, and mostly haven't all season. We've got some good results despite that, but Emery knows we're not anywhere near the level we are at home.
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I just hope it’s a combination of injuries and fatigue.
But our away form has not been great all season.
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There's no panic, but we haven't played well for a few games now, and in terms of recent form it's 1 win in 4. This season has been anazing, and we're still second but I don't want to see us fizzle out. And we're really not playing that well away, and mostly haven't all season. We've got some good results despite that, but Emery knows we're not anywhere near the level we are at home.
We're 3rd and will be fourth if Arsenal win next weekend. Emery out.
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All teams are having ropey patches of form, in terms of performance levels. It’s not surprising ours is coming in a highly congested period of fixtures, with injuries and suspensions to critical players. We’ve done well to keep collecting some points, even if it’s less than we wanted. Hopefully we’ll get some luck with injuries and have a chance to get our best team out there regularly.
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This league is so physically demanding you'll never have a clean bill of health so it's about squad depth and quality. We are a few players short clearly , not sure we are signing anyone either this window so the 2nd half of the season is in line to be a real war of attrition given we are in 3 competitions particularly.
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Our away form where the opposition sits back has been a problem all season. We need a quality right back, it's obvious the manager doesn't rate Cash but playing Konsa there is not the answer, Cash improved us when he came on. McGinn has to be played on the left. Why was Pau not playing, we missed his distribution. Not a great day but not a disaster either.
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Liverpool are the only side that hasn't had a ropey run. Arsenal currently 1 win in 5. Spurs took 1 point from 5 games, Man City had a run of 1 win in 6. West Ham 1 win in 7. Man Utd 8 points from 8 games.
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I know some people are hanging on to the fact the team now has a few days rest from matches and, we should come back refreshed. However, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if we come back a bit flat and then some will say that we’re short of match practice. Heads you lose, tails you lose.
From a personal viewpoint, we were brilliant against Citeh, got away with it a bit with Arsenal and have been very average since then. I don’t know what match was being watched today but, I’ve listened to 2 Villa podcasts and the general consensus was that we actually played quite well. I know it’s never popular to say anything against the team for some on here but, it was not particularly inspiring.
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I know some people are hanging on to the fact the team now has a few days rest from matches and, we should come back refreshed. However, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if we come back a bit flat and then some will say that we’re short of match practice. Heads you lose, tails you lose.
From a personal viewpoint, we were brilliant against Citeh, got away with it a bit with Arsenal and have been very average since then. I don’t know what match was being watched today but, I’ve listened to 2 Villa podcasts and the general consensus was that we actually played quite well. I know it’s never popular to say anything against the team for some on here but, it was not particularly inspiring.
Overall it was a dreadful game of football , if I'd been a neutral it would of been off after 20 mins and I'd have gone and done something else. Thought Emery got the line up wrong today , Cash should have started and you cannot play Bailey and Diaby together . Emery seemed unhappy after saying a point wasn't enough.
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It was a crap game, we weren't very good, but we got a point.
That'll do.
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All match Watkins was in Tarkowski's pocket. Nobody thought to tell him to move out wide then cut in to switch it up once?
A dire snoozefest with appalling officiating which is the standard in the Premier League now.
disagree with almost everything you've said there.
Hasn't his ridiculously good form coincided with being told specifically not to fuck off out wide?
My point isn't for him to score but Watkins can make something happen by being out wider then slotting others in. Literally most of his 8 assists are exactly like what I'm describing. For different matches against stubborn opposition I just prefer him to be running into space then taking on the opposition (because he's very good at it) then picking a pass. Pretty much exactly like goal 1 and 2 vs Burnley
He cuts in passes to Bailey... bang!
He cuts in passes to Diaby... bang!
I can actually see Watkins finishing this season with more assists than goals. It's 8/9 currently....
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There's no panic, but we haven't played well for a few games now, and in terms of recent form it's 1 win in 4. This season has been anazing, and we're still second but I don't want to see us fizzle out. And we're really not playing that well away, and mostly haven't all season. We've got some good results despite that, but Emery knows we're not anywhere near the level we are at home.
We're 3rd and will be fourth if Arsenal win next weekend. Emery out.
I don't think we've played that well since Citeh. It's obviously good that we've only lost one in that spell but five points from the last four is not what anyone would have expected on paper. My own assessment is that we've been stumbling these last few matches and a defeat or two doesn't seem far off. What I hope is that this is the bad run, we get back to our best and look back on these results as good value. Time will tell.
Emery out.
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It’s good to see that post match analysis with pundits starts with the line “How did they managed to stop Villa”.
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There's no panic, but we haven't played well for a few games now, and in terms of recent form it's 1 win in 4. This season has been anazing, and we're still second but I don't want to see us fizzle out. And we're really not playing that well away, and mostly haven't all season. We've got some good results despite that, but Emery knows we're not anywhere near the level we are at home.
We're 3rd and will be fourth if Arsenal win next weekend. Emery out.
I don't think we've played that well since Citeh. It's obviously good that we've only lost one in that spell but five points from the last four is not what anyone would have expected on paper. My own assessment is that we've been stumbling these last few matches and a defeat or two doesn't seem far off. What I hope is that this is the bad run, we get back to our best and look back on these results as good value. Time will tell.
Emery out.
An hour and 12 minutes is a long time on a Footy Forum😂
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It was a crap game, we weren't very good, but we got a point.
That'll do.
You have slept on it so it’s a rational thought😊
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At least Emery's sty seems to be on its way out . A positive from the day.
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I didn't expect anyone to take my second post seriously! Just pointing out we're not second anymore
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Should have won that but poor officiating and poor finishing meant it’s two points that got away. But we kept a clean, didn’t lose and for large parts of the first half played very well. This team is still evolving in a number of ways but I think some are judging it as finished/consistent. Most of our players lack the consistency needed but the overall average has been compensating. Then you have days like today when it’s not quite enough. Still very positive about the rest of this season. I think we will finish in the top 5 but it’s just a question of where.
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On Watkins, his numbers on goals and assists speak for themselves; he’s right up there statistically. What we really need is an alternative when it’s not quite working for him.
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On the officials; awful. Just awful. Watkins got booked for winning the ball fairly and because Tarkowoski goes into his non elevated arm; booking. The ref didn’t even call it at the time. It’s because there’s some blood that he gives a Ollie a yellow 5 minutes later. Then Tarkowski’s challenge on Diaby was an extremely dangerous and could have broken his leg. He’d already been booked after a reckless challenge on Moreno; nothing. Langlet justifiably goes to complain about Tarkowski’s challenge on Moreno, backing up his team mate; booking. Onana goes in dangerously and recklessly on Martinez; nothing. The second goal we had ruled out was for Carlos standing his ground after reading the flight of the ball before Watkins squares it for a tap in. Foul given. Cash’s shot late second half; possible handball? VAR not interested. How we ended up with 4 bookings and Everton had just one is barely believable. That corner at the end when the ref decides just to give Everton a free kick for a tussle between Watkins and that same bloke again even though it’s nothing to do with the play. Right, ok. And the Moreno goal; i’m still really not sure why it’s disallowed. I’m sure Bailey wasn’t offside when he rolled the ball back and there is no way on earth that Lenglet could possibly be interfering with Pickford’s view. He doesn’t impede his view and doesn’t make a movement towards the flight if the ball.
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Blimey...when you put it like that....we wuz robbed!
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We have to get to the point when we have sufficient cover so that McGinn plays to his strength, every time he has to cover another position it takes away our most valuable assett.
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Last 5 league games W2 L1 D2 8 points from 15
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It was a crap game, we weren't very good, but we got a point.
That'll do.
You have slept on it so it’s a rational thought😊
Haha, well...
Was up at 5:30 mate, and have just finished work. Knackered, but have a highball in hand and will have a nap on the train.
It's been a fantastic time with Emery at the helm, and I think a point away at Everton is a decent one.
I now fully expect us to beat Chelsea and Newcastle.
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I’m sure Bailey wasn’t offside when he rolled the ball back and there is no way on earth that Lenglet could possibly be interfering with Pickford’s view. He doesn’t impede his view and doesn’t make a movement towards the flight if the ball.
Well Bailey wasn't offside when he rolled the ball back, however he was offside when he received the (mis-)pass from McGinn. It was so clear, they didn't even need to draw the lines on Bailey to be sure. Why it too 5 minutes though shows again the mis-management of VAR where instead of looking at incidents in order of play, they spent a load of time looking at Lenglet interfering with the keepers view instead of each step of the play of the ball.
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It’s a point and a clean sheet away against probably the most agricultural team in the league. Tarkowski should have gone for his potential leg breaker on Diaby let alone the kicking of Moreno into Row Z. Coote is the weakest of officials.
Scores on the doors:
Martinez - 8 two vital stops first half but was otherwise untroubled
Konsa - 6.5 looked more comfortable once he came inside
Carlos - 7 solid
Lenglet - 7.5 solid and progressive with the ball
Moreno - 7.5 best game since he came back as was a main outlet, there is more to come
Kamara - 7.5 really solid and controlled
Luiz - 6.5 a little bit off it today though seemed to improve as the game went on
Bailey - 6 one chance aside it was back to previous levels away from home
McGinn - 6.5 thought he started the game poorly with sloppy touches and giving the ball away but improved
Diaby - 6 we just can’t seem to get him loose with the ball and when we do he’s out of form. Should have down for the clip in the box
Watkins - 6.5 worked hard against the most physical central defenders but literally minimal service from Diaby/Bailey
Tielemans - 7 nice little came
Dhuran - 7 one of his better cameos and could have nicked that one at the end
Cash - 7 gave us a threat the other side and thought he did well.
All in all slightly unlucky not to win it after pretty much controlling the whole game.
Onwards.
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That fucking ref, I'm still seething. I called it before the game on the match thread, it's a fucking joke.
My good mate started reffing last season and he's really good, went and watched him a few times, he's a big lad and a good character and he's played loads himself, you can see the players respect and respond to him. We were talking recently and he was saying to go up to the next level is where he'll start to be assessed, and he said speaking to other ref's it's at that point most of them don't bother, because you come off the pitch thinking you've reffed well without problems then they pull you up on technicalitites.
This is why we end up with the refs we do.
David Coote started refereeing at 16 at it fucking shows.
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I’m sure Bailey wasn’t offside when he rolled the ball back and there is no way on earth that Lenglet could possibly be interfering with Pickford’s view. He doesn’t impede his view and doesn’t make a movement towards the flight if the ball.
Apparently, they weren't looking at Lenglet interfering. They were working out whether the initial offiside was still part of the same phase of play. If it hadn't been, then they would have either given the goal or looked at the interfering. The offside was blatant and that is why it was disallowed. That was the explanation from VAR.
Well Bailey wasn't offside when he rolled the ball back, however he was offside when he received the (mis-)pass from McGinn. It was so clear, they didn't even need to draw the lines on Bailey to be sure. Why it too 5 minutes though shows again the mis-management of VAR where instead of looking at incidents in order of play, they spent a load of time looking at Lenglet interfering with the keepers view instead of each step of the play of the ball.
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When did a tackle from behind cease to be a bookable offence? Tarkowski did one on Watkins yesterday 2nd half, a foul was given but no booking. He should have been off then too.
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I’m sure Bailey wasn’t offside when he rolled the ball back and there is no way on earth that Lenglet could possibly be interfering with Pickford’s view. He doesn’t impede his view and doesn’t make a movement towards the flight if the ball.
Well Bailey wasn't offside when he rolled the ball back, however he was offside when he received the (mis-)pass from McGinn. It was so clear, they didn't even need to draw the lines on Bailey to be sure. Why it too 5 minutes though shows again the mis-management of VAR where instead of looking at incidents in order of play, they spent a load of time looking at Lenglet interfering with the keepers view instead of each step of the play of the ball.
Apparently, they weren't looking at Lenglet interfering. They were working out whether the initial offside was still part of the same phase of play. If it hadn't been, then they would have either given the goal or looked at the interfering. The offside was blatant and that is why it was disallowed. That was the explanation from VAR.
So the pass to Bailey who plays to Moreno who scores might not be the same phase of play and needed 4 minutes to decide that, but the Ramsey foul on the keeper which has Sheffield Utd defenders clear the ball twice before we score is the same phase of play?
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It's a proper mess and they are tying themselves up in circles each week with the inconsistencies.
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It's a proper mess and they are tying themselves up in circles each week with the inconsistencies.
I didn't move when we scored, Bailey did look off on first glance. It's now part of the game, sitting still, no celebration, just waiting for a forensic analysis of what you have just seen. And they call it progress. Utterly depressing.
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It was a pretty dire game, in reality. We dominated the ball, as we tend to do these days, but we didn't create lots of clear cut chances. On balance, we deserved to win the game, but a point away from home is never a terrible result. Everton are 8th in the form table for the last 10 games, so it wasn't a forgone conclusion we'd win (though I thought we would).
I like that we're tidy and technically very good at knocking it around, but it does seem to break down so often in the final third. I'm not blaming Ollie specifically, but we really do need to find a way to more clinical in the final third. If we could be as good in the final third as we currently are in the defensive and middle thirds, we'd truly be a sight to behold.
Given the other results this weekend, a draw hasn't hurt us too much, but we must win at home to Newcastle, not only to avenge the opening day, but also to put them firmly in our rear view mirror for the rest of the season. Beat them, and that's their top 4 aspirations done for the season (they probably are now, but if they win at our place it would give them hope).
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It's a proper mess and they are tying themselves up in circles each week with the inconsistencies.
I didn't move when we scored, Bailey did look off on first glance. It's now part of the game, sitting still, no celebration, just waiting for a forensic analysis of what you have just seen. And they call it progress. Utterly depressing.
I hate it, but the flip side is seeing a goal scored against you chalked off. It's a celebration we never used to get. I missed the first half as I was taking my daughter to a birthday party, so I got the BBC goal alert, and then the VAR correction seemed like an ETERNITY afterwards, so I assumed the game had gone on. It's a sickener. They're going to have to do something, as the celebration of a goal is THE thing supporters want to do - anything that tempers the reaction to a goal in the moment should be considered detrimental to the game.
I like the idea of giving it a time limit. 30 seconds, 45 seconds, whatever. Just limit it. If they can't prove something one or the other in 45 seconds, the on field decision stands.
We were already top of the table in the "if VAR didn't exist" table, and this result will just put us further ahead. No trophy at the end of the season though, unfortunately.
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It's a proper mess and they are tying themselves up in circles each week with the inconsistencies.
I didn't move when we scored, Bailey did look off on first glance. It's now part of the game, sitting still, no celebration, just waiting for a forensic analysis of what you have just seen. And they call it progress. Utterly depressing.
Same here, first reaction is 'nah, thats not standing'.
Its ruining the game for spectators, and thats what will drive change.
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It's a proper mess and they are tying themselves up in circles each week with the inconsistencies.
I didn't move when we scored, Bailey did look off on first glance. It's now part of the game, sitting still, no celebration, just waiting for a forensic analysis of what you have just seen. And they call it progress. Utterly depressing.
Look how it impacted the atmosphere against Burnley the other week. No proper celebration, everyone waiting for the inevitable reference to VAR and by the time a decision is made the spontaneity is lost. it’s a shit piece of kit that is ruining games but it also seems that only the Premier League manages to fuck things up so comprehensively. Fun-denying sad little men in studios, dictating results.
The game’s gone, etc……
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Semi-automated offsides would improve this no end. They took five minutes deciding a really obvious offside and distracting themselves with other horseshit. Just ludicrous.
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My feed was a bit delayed, so I had seen PWS's scorchio and was waiting for the outcome. As soon as the ball went back to Bailey I thought 'he's off, it will be ruled out', but then I hadn't seen Danjuma.
Once they showed the picture across the six yard line that was that. They need to fire PGMOL and all who sail in her into the sun.
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It was a pretty dire game, in reality. We dominated the ball, as we tend to do these days, but we didn't create lots of clear cut chances. On balance, we deserved to win the game, but a point away from home is never a terrible result. Everton are 8th in the form table for the last 10 games, so it wasn't a forgone conclusion we'd win (though I thought we would).
I like that we're tidy and technically very good at knocking it around, but it does seem to break down so often in the final third. I'm not blaming Ollie specifically, but we really do need to find a way to more clinical in the final third. If we could be as good in the final third as we currently are in the defensive and middle thirds, we'd truly be a sight to behold.
Given the other results this weekend, a draw hasn't hurt us too much, but we must win at home to Newcastle, not only to avenge the opening day, but also to put them firmly in our rear view mirror for the rest of the season. Beat them, and that's their top 4 aspirations done for the season (they probably are now, but if they win at our place it would give them hope).
Part of our challenge is given the lack of height and aerial presence in the team we really aren't much of a threat at set pieces. Would have been crazy to start lumping them in against a Dyche team so made sense to try them short and Moreno's goal came from one of them. We still had decent chances yesterday, Cash looked certain to score and it took an unbelievable block to stop him. Duran just wide, would have been a cracking winner. McGinn outside the box just wide. Diaby in same play should have had a certain penalty. Likes of Bailey and Watkins forced solid saves in the first half.
I don't think it was a day yesterday for Luiz to start breaking ahead of Watkins like what a Platt or Lampard used to but maybe sometimes that's required to break a deep defence. Their kick and rush was still a threat, especially with Carlos on the pitch liable to do anything.
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Carlos is a weak link in our team. He's not terrible overall but some of his positioning for a central defender is truly awful. He's a back up at most.
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Carlos is a weak link in our team. He's not terrible overall but some of his positioning for a central defender is truly awful. He's a back up at most.
I agree, I think Lenglet is better.
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We are currently operating with our 5th choice of centre-backs, so there will be a drop in quality.
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Carlos is a weak link in our team. He's not terrible overall but some of his positioning for a central defender is truly awful. He's a back up at most.
I agree, I think Lenglet is better.
They're not competing for the same spot though. We looked quite a bit better when Carlos went off, and Cash and Konsa moved into their rightful places. I'm not entirely sure why Emery perseveres with the Konsa at right back and Carlos in defence thing, it's not as good as having Konsa in the middle and Cash at right back.
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Carlos is a weak link in our team. He's not terrible overall but some of his positioning for a central defender is truly awful. He's a back up at most.
I agree, I think Lenglet is better.
They're not competing for the same spot though. We looked quite a bit better when Carlos went off, and Cash and Konsa moved into their rightful places. I'm not entirely sure why Emery perseveres with the Konsa at right back and Carlos in defence thing, it's not as good as having Konsa in the middle and Cash at right back.
I know that, I'm just saying I think he's a better player. I too thought we looked loads better with Cash (and Tielemans) on.
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It's a proper mess and they are tying themselves up in circles each week with the inconsistencies.
I didn't move when we scored, Bailey did look off on first glance. It's now part of the game, sitting still, no celebration, just waiting for a forensic analysis of what you have just seen. And they call it progress. Utterly depressing.
Same here, first reaction is 'nah, thats not standing'.
Its ruining the game for spectators, and thats what will drive change.
Not if it doesn't ruin it for the neutral TV audience unfortunately.
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Ignore
Are you a Premier League Sports journalist? ;-)
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Tielemans and Buendia being fit would make the difference right now. They see, and try, passes that others just don't and would bring Diaby, Watkins and Bailey into the game more.
As for yesterday, Tarkowski should absolutely have been sent off,and could have been more than once. The referee was weak and played to the crowd reaction. If that had been at Villa Park Tarkowski would have seen red for sure.
I was a bit pissed off near the end with the slow build up from the back, but mainly because I thought Kamara and Luiz didn't seem to move much to get the ball either, it felt like we'd settled for the point.
However, it's a draw away from home and that's not to be sniffed at. Home win next time out though please.
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Not if it doesn't ruin it for the neutral TV audience unfortunately.
It pretty well does as well though. 5 minutes yesterday listening to the commentators blather on, with no proper explanation on screen at all. It's just absolutely hopeless. When you've got the richest and most popular sport in the wrold that is based on its speed and excitement, why in the name of god would you bring in something that slows it down and makes it much less exciting? Be like F1 making cars stop for an MOT half way round.
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Not if it doesn't ruin it for the neutral TV audience unfortunately.
It pretty well does as well though. 5 minutes yesterday listening to the commentators blather on, with no proper explanation on screen at all. It's just absolutely hopeless. When you've got the richest and most popular sport in the wrold that is based on its speed and excitement, why in the name of god would you bring in something that slows it down and makes it much less exciting? Be like F1 making cars stop for an MOT half way round.
It was quite handy, managed to pop for a piss, get another beer from the fridge and I missed nothing! And knew it was going to be knocked off anyway!
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Sorry, my point was that it's likely to be affected by the TV audience more than by the match going fan.
And yes Duncan I agree, it does give scope for a wee and chance to get another beer without pausing the coverage.
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So how long before the Premier league maximise profits by running ad breaks in VAR checks?
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So how long before the Premier league maximise profits by running ad breaks in VAR checks?
If the opportunity arose, I imagine Specsavers would happily bung a few million quid in their direction.
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I went for a piss before the goal went in, went to the bar and was back before they had even disallowed it.
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I've seen the VAR shot frame by frame and still can't believe Stockley Park ruled it out?
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Everybody seems certain it was Bailey who was offside but why did they start analysing Lenglet blocking the keeper's view? It was at that stage i thought bailey had been passed onside. I cant understand why they would do this unless to do the two issues at the same time to save time?
Either way the reason the offside law exists is to act as a deterrent to goal hanging. It was never intended to micro analyse. Unless the decision is blatantly wrong the onfield decision ought to be upheld.
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I didn't really celebrate the goal because I didn't think Bailey got back fast enough in real-time. Then when I saw the first replay, I expected it to be disallowed for what appeared to be a foul by Lenglet on Danjuma, which stopped him from being able to play the offside.
If you're going to disallow it, surely you have to consider whether it was a foul first, before going through all the bother of drawing lines on the screen.
VAR will work better once they start putting microchips in the balls and using semi-automated offside tech.
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Everybody seems certain it was Bailey who was offside but why did they start analysing Lenglet blocking the keeper's view? It was at that stage i thought bailey had been passed onside. I cant understand why they would do this unless to do the two issues at the same time to save time?
Either way the reason the offside law exists is to act as a deterrent to goal hanging. It was never intended to micro analyse. Unless the decision is blatantly wrong the onfield decision ought to be upheld.
Well that's another issue entirely after Anthony Taylor's 'not getting involved mate' performance against Sheff Utd.
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Everybody seems certain it was Bailey who was offside but why did they start analysing Lenglet blocking the keeper's view? It was at that stage i thought bailey had been passed onside. I cant understand why they would do this unless to do the two issues at the same time to save time?
Either way the reason the offside law exists is to act as a deterrent to goal hanging. It was never intended to micro analyse. Unless the decision is blatantly wrong the onfield decision ought to be upheld.
It seemed like a process was being followed.
Is it offside? No.
Is the player impeding the goalkeeper's view? No.
Was the defender being fouled? Yes...no goal.
Whereas if you're not following a process, you could reach the conclusion that it was a foul within a few seconds without having to go through the other stages of the process.
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I think Tarks is a frustrated, yet to come out predatory homosexual.
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I think Tarks is a frustrated, yet to come out predatory homosexual.
Huh?
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Everybody seems certain it was Bailey who was offside but why did they start analysing Lenglet blocking the keeper's view? It was at that stage i thought bailey had been passed onside. I cant understand why they would do this unless to do the two issues at the same time to save time?
Either way the reason the offside law exists is to act as a deterrent to goal hanging. It was never intended to micro analyse. Unless the decision is blatantly wrong the onfield decision ought to be upheld.
Me too. I was thinking, "why are they showing the tugging by Lengelet on Coleman?" he wasn't interfering with the play in any shape or form. If the reason was Bailey, that should have been sorted in 10 seconds max.
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I think Tarks is a frustrated, yet to come out predatory homosexual.
Did you you mean to say "yet to come out as a sexual predator"
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VAR has turned over 3 on field decisions against us so far this season costing 7 points. There is been no balance other way around.
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Has there not? I’m sure I’ve seen VAR calls in our favour - not least that it helps us play the defensive style we do.
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Everybody seems certain it was Bailey who was offside but why did they start analysing Lenglet blocking the keeper's view? It was at that stage i thought bailey had been passed onside. I cant understand why they would do this unless to do the two issues at the same time to save time?
Either way the reason the offside law exists is to act as a deterrent to goal hanging. It was never intended to micro analyse. Unless the decision is blatantly wrong the onfield decision ought to be upheld.
Me too. I was thinking, "why are they showing the tugging by Lengelet on Coleman?" he wasn't interfering with the play in any shape or form. If the reason was Bailey, that should have been sorted in 10 seconds max.
Gallagher was claiming they couldn't see Bailey's position when the pass was made, not sure if that was the case initially or later. In any case Lenglet fouls the guy and Bailey is also offside. Cracking finish but the correct decision.
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Has there not? I’m sure I’ve seen VAR calls in our favour - not least that it helps us play the defensive style we do.
Yeah, but they've only backed up the decisions already given. They actually tried to rule out the penalty against Palace but for once the ref told them to fuck off.
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Has there not? I’m sure I’ve seen VAR calls in our favour - not least that it helps us play the defensive style we do.
No opposition team has scored a goal that was overturned by VAR for no offside. In every case VAR agreed with onfield decision.
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Yeah I get that, but the fact VAR is there does help us. I’d good the on field decision making has been correct, but the fact VAR is there gives us a safety net so it is useful for us.
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Yeah I get that, but the fact VAR is there does help us. I’d good the on field decision making has been correct, but the fact VAR is there gives us a safety net so it is useful for us.
I don't know, it seems every time we catch someone offside the linesman had seen it anyway and just puts the flag up late.
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Right but I suspect there’s a confidence factor for the players too - i.e. they know if they get it right they’re not at the mercy of a poor call (or at least in theory).
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Everybody seems certain it was Bailey who was offside but why did they start analysing Lenglet blocking the keeper's view? It was at that stage i thought bailey had been passed onside. I cant understand why they would do this unless to do the two issues at the same time to save time?
Either way the reason the offside law exists is to act as a deterrent to goal hanging. It was never intended to micro analyse. Unless the decision is blatantly wrong the onfield decision ought to be upheld.
Me too. I was thinking, "why are they showing the tugging by Lengelet on Coleman?" he wasn't interfering with the play in any shape or form. If the reason was Bailey, that should have been sorted in 10 seconds max.
Gallagher was claiming they couldn't see Bailey's position when the pass was made, not sure if that was the case initially or later. In any case Lenglet fouls the guy and Bailey is also offside. Cracking finish but the correct decision.
Yep, it seems like the major delay was the belief that Bailey was offside, but they couldn't get a single image of McGinn releasing the ball, AND Bailey along the line. Hence checking the other potential offside/foul with Lenglet while they tried to get a better image of Bailey (if he was offside/committing a foul, they didn't need the Bailey image). As it was, they did need that image, but it took them almost 4 minutes to get it. I think he was offside, and the correct decision was made, it but it should not take that long to get to the decision.
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Carlos is a weak link in our team. He's not terrible overall but some of his positioning for a central defender is truly awful. He's a back up at most.
I agree, I think Lenglet is better.
Carlos will cost us at some point, just like Duran. They are both red cards waiting to happen.
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Carlos is a weak link in our team. He's not terrible overall but some of his positioning for a central defender is truly awful. He's a back up at most.
I agree, I think Lenglet is better.
Carlos will cost us at some point, just like Duran. They are both red cards waiting to happen.
I agree, also agree with Lee, Carlos strikles me as a poor, at best average, player. Lenglet looks like an acceptable replacement for Torres for a short period at least, whereas if Konsa is at RB, Carlos does not look like a good enough option to play in his place.
Red card and howler waiting to happen.
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I think this is a bit harsh on Carlos, I think the Achilles Injury has cost him quite a bit of pace so he looks a bit cumbersome but other than getting caught in no man’s land for the Calvert chance and stupidly getting booked he didn’t do much wrong.
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Get Konsa back to CB and Cash to RB
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After the Brentford mad five minutes, the Carlos booking will probably cost him his place in the starting 11 (if Torres isn't fit)
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Get Konsa back to CB and Cash to RB
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I think this is a bit harsh on Carlos, I think the Achilles Injury has cost him quite a bit of pace so he looks a bit cumbersome but other than getting caught in no man’s land for the Calvert chance and stupidly getting booked he didn’t do much wrong.
He made one good block covering for Konsa but don't recall him doing much right that aside. That Lewin chance should have been a goal, Martinez bailed him out big time. Pushing out playing offside 5 metres into the opponent half is hungover pub league stuff. He makes stupid fouls and decisions constantly, it's like he has to prove how much of a unit he is. Passing is very average too. Reports from Spain suggested he was very good passing out from the back but no evidence of it in a Villa shirt.
There was a ball at the end that Konsa cut off without hesitation and got fouled. It was just so easy for him in his best position. Cash had a very bright cameo too, nearly an assist and goal. Suddenly we had options on the right and left side. There's no doubt arguments for why the extra centre back is a positive at RB, extra height at set pieces etc but I didn't buy it under MON with Mellberg/Cuellar and again now.
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I think Carlos is the current scapegoat - he’s made a couple of mistakes, but he’s generally done ok and he was superb against Arsenal.
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As for yesterday, Tarkowski should absolutely have been sent off,and could have been more than once. The referee was weak and played to the crowd reaction. If that had been at Villa Park Tarkowski would have seen red for sure.
More than anything yesterday, allowing that thug to stay on the pitch was one of the worse refereeing decisions I've seen in a very long time. Moreno had the good sense to jump up as Tarkowski lunged in otherwise he'd be in Royal Liverpool University Hospital with his season finished. The same goes for the assault on Diaby, he knew exactly what he was doing.
Tarkowski is nothing more than a thug, as Roy Keane pointed out, he knew exactly what he was doing and his challenges were out of control. I love a proper tackle but Tarkowski yesterday was a fcuking disgrace.
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He took a whack early in the game when Ollie just beasted him in the air, then seemed to want to take it out on the other smaller opponents, the wanker.
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I think Carlos is the current scapegoat - he’s made a couple of mistakes, but he’s generally done ok and he was superb against Arsenal.
You can refer to him as that if you wish. It was his brain fart that cost us V ManU and almost yesterday but for Emi. He's got mistakes in him and quite clearly a lack of concentration in key moments which lead to those.
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He took a whack early in the game when Ollie just beasted him in the air, then seemed to want to take it out on the other smaller opponents, the wanker.
The Diaby challenge gets worse every time I view it. He’s a man for another time, complete thug.
I don’t generally dislike Everton that much, but that Dyche ball is poison to the eyes, I do hope they slip through the door instead of one of the promoted clubs, preferably Luton.
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As for yesterday, Tarkowski should absolutely have been sent off,and could have been more than once. The referee was weak and played to the crowd reaction. If that had been at Villa Park Tarkowski would have seen red for sure.
More than anything yesterday, allowing that thug to stay on the pitch was one of the worse refereeing decisions I've seen in a very long time. Moreno had the good sense to jump up as Tarkowski lunged in otherwise he'd be in Royal Liverpool University Hospital with his season finished. The same goes for the assault on Diaby, he knew exactly what he was doing.
Tarkowski is nothing more than a thug, as Roy Keane pointed out, he knew exactly what he was doing and his challenges were out of control. I love a proper tackle but Tarkowski yesterday was a fcuking disgrace.
Agree with all this and. although I accept that MOTD has a limited time slot, all they talked about last night was Everton's midfield 'box' designed to stop us moving up the pitch and how Calvert-Lewin should have scored against Emi. When will they get people on the programme who are willing to straightforwardly call out disgraceful foul play and dreadful referee and VAR decisions. It does my head in. Not a mention of Villa in all the post-match analysis.
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On the Guardian post-match comments, I linked the way that Tarkowski played with that of his erstwhile colleague, B Mee: both are from the old school, schooled by Dyche, and are regularly reckless. In reffing terms, that should mean a handful of cards each; amazed they don't get as many as they should.
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He took a whack early in the game when Ollie just beasted him in the air, then seemed to want to take it out on the other smaller opponents, the wanker.
Only for Luiz started a bit of pushing after he flew in Moreno he wouldn't have got booked for that tackle either. As a ref he is weak. He booked Lenglet for absolutely nothing in that incident, just the pub league ref tactic of booking one from each team.
Our players should have gone ballistic after his idiotic late tackle on Watkins to get the second yellow. Bailey made sure Ben Mee got in trouble at Brentford, we need to be a bit more street wise I think.
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Didn't Gerrard try to sign him before he went to Everton?
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Didn't Gerrard try to sign him before he went to Everton?
Yeah, the idiot.
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Yep, it seems like the major delay was the belief that Bailey was offside, but they couldn't get a single image of McGinn releasing the ball, AND Bailey along the line. Hence checking the other potential offside/foul with Lenglet while they tried to get a better image of Bailey (if he was offside/committing a foul, they didn't need the Bailey image). As it was, they did need that image, but it took them almost 4 minutes to get it. I think he was offside, and the correct decision was made, it but it should not take that long to get to the decision.
It doesn't work like that. All the videos are time synced so they stop on the selection of the ball kicker, then all the other videos are stopped at the same timeframe. They do need to find one with both the defender and Bailey in to draw lines though so that might be the delay.
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It's just killed the game not being able to celebrate the best part of the game anymore ie a goal
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Our players should have gone ballistic after his idiotic late tackle on Watkins to get the second yellow. Bailey made sure Ben Mee got in trouble at Brentford, we need to be a bit more street wise I think.
Talking of streetwise, Diaby gets fouled in the penalty area but manages to stay on his feet, if he goes down it's a certain penalty though with that clown of a ref it would have gone to VAR first. He immediately gets assaulted by Tarkowski who plays both the ball and the player. Nothing given.
Lesson from yesterday: It pays to cheat because the level of refereeing is so shockingly poor.
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Our players should have gone ballistic after his idiotic late tackle on Watkins to get the second yellow. Bailey made sure Ben Mee got in trouble at Brentford, we need to be a bit more street wise I think.
Talking of streetwise, Diaby gets fouled in the penalty area but manages to stay on his feet, if he goes down it's a certain penalty though with that clown of a ref it would have gone to VAR first. He immediately gets assaulted by Tarkowski who plays both the ball and the player. Nothing given.
Lesson from yesterday: It pays to cheat because the level of refereeing is so shockingly poor.
There was another later in the game on the left wing where Doug got clacked but didn't go over and that gormless shovel with a watch carried on.
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Not the best game but we come away with a point good away day.
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As soon as Tarkowski "did" Moreno, Luiz came in to remonstrate and then Tarkowski waved-in his big teammates to get stuck-in on his behalf. Cheeky fecker.
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Only caught the back end of the match on the radio as had a longer church service than usual (Plough Sunday) and then was dragged to a potential wedding venue afterwards. Good news is that after a thirteen year engagement and two kids we have finally set a date, bad news is I now have a year of being expected to appear interested in wedding planning.
Anyway having now watched the match, I am not unhappy with a hard won away point. For what its worth my Everton supporting mate that works for me thinks we were robbed over the VAR decision. I beg to differ, we didn't do enough to win but a point away against a team that is fighting to stay up and in truth is mid-table in actual real points value, is an OK result.
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It was Dyche Ball and as expected more blood was spilled than in a heavyweight boxing match. We came away with a point and no serious injuries . I consider that a result. Onwards and on this occasion not upwards.
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Just need to follow up with wins v Newcastle and Sheff Utd then yesterday becomes a solid point
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Plough Sunday...is that some pagan shi'?
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Plough Sunday...is that some pagan shi'?
Likely has roots in it, like many other traditions. But it has likely been carried out at my local church since the early 1300s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plough_Monday
It marks the start of the farming year the day after (Plough Monday), with the end being at the Harvest festival. It stems from a time when the chance of starvation was more upfront in people's minds and shows an appreciation for the hard work and risk involved in producing a crop.
One of the local farmers will bring a small plough and a milk churn for a ceremonial blessing, in this case, my neighbors.
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Yep, it seems like the major delay was the belief that Bailey was offside, but they couldn't get a single image of McGinn releasing the ball, AND Bailey along the line. Hence checking the other potential offside/foul with Lenglet while they tried to get a better image of Bailey (if he was offside/committing a foul, they didn't need the Bailey image). As it was, they did need that image, but it took them almost 4 minutes to get it. I think he was offside, and the correct decision was made, it but it should not take that long to get to the decision.
It doesn't work like that. All the videos are time synced so they stop on the selection of the ball kicker, then all the other videos are stopped at the same timeframe. They do need to find one with both the defender and Bailey in to draw lines though so that might be the delay.
I've been finding it quite frustrating people not understanding this, it's been brought up a few times in person. I can't remember what show I watched a while back where they showed an example. They have loads of angles all time synced. People can then debate whether they can accurately stop it at the time of contact, but you're talking milliseconds.
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Plough Sunday...is that some pagan shi'?
It'll be the Beeb's successor to Ski Sunday when 'climate change' really kicks in.
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Yep, it seems like the major delay was the belief that Bailey was offside, but they couldn't get a single image of McGinn releasing the ball, AND Bailey along the line. Hence checking the other potential offside/foul with Lenglet while they tried to get a better image of Bailey (if he was offside/committing a foul, they didn't need the Bailey image). As it was, they did need that image, but it took them almost 4 minutes to get it. I think he was offside, and the correct decision was made, it but it should not take that long to get to the decision.
It doesn't work like that. All the videos are time synced so they stop on the selection of the ball kicker, then all the other videos are stopped at the same timeframe. They do need to find one with both the defender and Bailey in to draw lines though so that might be the delay.
I've been finding it quite frustrating people not understanding this, it's been brought up a few times in person. I can't remember what show I watched a while back where they showed an example. They have loads of angles all time synced. People can then debate whether they can accurately stop it at the time of contact, but you're talking milliseconds.
It's the reason the Dermot Gallagher gave on 'Ref Watch' the other night. I assumed he would know how VAR works. I'm surprised no one picked him up on it if he was this wrong!
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Yep, it seems like the major delay was the belief that Bailey was offside, but they couldn't get a single image of McGinn releasing the ball, AND Bailey along the line. Hence checking the other potential offside/foul with Lenglet while they tried to get a better image of Bailey (if he was offside/committing a foul, they didn't need the Bailey image). As it was, they did need that image, but it took them almost 4 minutes to get it. I think he was offside, and the correct decision was made, it but it should not take that long to get to the decision.
It doesn't work like that. All the videos are time synced so they stop on the selection of the ball kicker, then all the other videos are stopped at the same timeframe. They do need to find one with both the defender and Bailey in to draw lines though so that might be the delay.
I've been finding it quite frustrating people not understanding this, it's been brought up a few times in person. I can't remember what show I watched a while back where they showed an example. They have loads of angles all time synced. People can then debate whether they can accurately stop it at the time of contact, but you're talking milliseconds.
It's the reason the Dermot Gallagher gave on 'Ref Watch' the other night. I assumed he would know how VAR works. I'm surprised no one picked him up on it if he was this wrong!
Well he should know better, the baldy twat. You sometimes see the line being placed and you can't see the person playing the ball because they want a closer look at the defensive line but they're not just taking a guess at when it was played. They just don't show us all the angles they see but they're all synced, you stop one you stop them all, we're just shown the defensive line camera that is stopped.
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Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.
An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.
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Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.
An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.
Gallagher's absolutely useless, it actually just makes me hate refs and VAR even more. If they have two almost identical incidents say, and one ends with a penalty and one doesn't, when they ask him to explain why one was given and the other wasn't, his stock reply is always "the ref thought one was a penalty and the other ref felt it wasn't." No shit Sherlock!
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Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.
An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.
Gallagher's absolutely useless, it actually just makes me hate refs and VAR even more. If they have two almost identical incidents say, and one ends with a penalty and one doesn't, when they ask him to explain why one was given and the other wasn't, his stock reply is always "the ref thought one was a penalty and the other ref felt it wasn't." No shit Sherlock!
Manure fan from Banbury with a Manure Tatoo..
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Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.
An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.
Gallagher's absolutely useless, it actually just makes me hate refs and VAR even more. If they have two almost identical incidents say, and one ends with a penalty and one doesn't, when they ask him to explain why one was given and the other wasn't, his stock reply is always "the ref thought one was a penalty and the other ref felt it wasn't." No shit Sherlock!
He speaks like he’s constipated, slowly, painfully squeezing out his answer. More often than sitting firmly on the fence so as to not upset any of his mates. He very rarely definitively says the ref made a massive error or VAR did. His position is to almost always give the benefit of the doubt to the ref and position why they it saw the way they did. Even if the decision is clearly wrong.
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Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.
An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.
Gallagher's absolutely useless, it actually just makes me hate refs and VAR even more. If they have two almost identical incidents say, and one ends with a penalty and one doesn't, when they ask him to explain why one was given and the other wasn't, his stock reply is always "the ref thought one was a penalty and the other ref felt it wasn't." No shit Sherlock!
Manure fan from Banbury with a Manure Tatoo..
He's from Dublin, speaks with a completely different accent on Irish media 😂
He does seem reluctant to criticise referees decisions, would be better TV if he said I would have given it (or not). I guess some of the refs are former colleagues or mates of his but that's no different to any other pundit gig.
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Gallagher likes to give a refs viewpoint but he hasn't actually reffed in 16 years and no way has he ever used VAR.
An example of how it works for an offside is shown with the Tottenham /Redscouse one when the check for offside was perfectly done, just the fact VAR studio thought the call was onside for some reason. They zoom in to Salah for when he played the ball without seeing where Diaz is, then once happy with the frame to stop on for the ball being played, they move to other angles for a look of the attacking and defending players positions.
Gallagher's absolutely useless, it actually just makes me hate refs and VAR even more. If they have two almost identical incidents say, and one ends with a penalty and one doesn't, when they ask him to explain why one was given and the other wasn't, his stock reply is always "the ref thought one was a penalty and the other ref felt it wasn't." No shit Sherlock!
Manure fan from Banbury with a Manure Tatoo..
He's from Dublin, speaks with a completely different accent on Irish media 😂
He does seem reluctant to criticise referees decisions, would be better TV if he said I would have given it (or not). I guess some of the refs are former colleagues or mates of his but that's no different to any other pundit gig.
He is based in Banbury, I said he was from, not where he was born.
He started reffing in the Banbury league.
He is a twat, he was a crap ref back then but somehow crawled up the greasy pole.