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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: olaftab on January 01, 2024, 01:14:47 PM
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FA Cup Third round.
Saturday 6 January, Kick Off 5.30PM
The Riverside Stadium, Middlesbrough
Live on BBC1
OK no resting or rotating nonsense please Unai. We don't have a League game till 14 January so go for it with best available XI.
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Second string side please, need to rest players for our Champions League push.
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Player availability likely to drive the team selection. Kamara should be nice and fresh after his Xmas holidays. Hopefully Cash back too. Likes of Digne, Tielemans won't be available. Emery will probably give the likes of Duran and Zaniolo a go.
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Torres, Moreno, Kamara, Luiz, Zaniolo, Ramsey, Diaby, Duran.
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Player availability likely to drive the team selection. Kamara should be nice and fresh after his Xmas holidays. Hopefully Cash back too. Likes of Digne, Tielemans won't be available. Emery will probably give the likes of Duran and Zaniolo a go.
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Torres, Moreno, Kamara, Luiz, Zaniolo, Ramsey, Diaby, Duran.
Yeah that's a nice mix of strength and rotation.
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Big rotation required and is total common sense. Maybe play Kamara though to remove any rustiness .
----------- Marscahll------------
Cash chambers Lenglet Moreno
----- Dendonker- irogbunam---
Zaniolo ---------------- O'Reilly
--- Duran ----- Diaby-----------
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Please can you amened the title to put 'pre-match' in? I fear you've cost us the tie already tbh.
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At least he didn't add an extra 'o' to Middlesbrough, we should still be fine.
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Boro have got their semi final 3 days later, so I wouldn't be surprised if they played their second 11.
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Just avoid a repeat of the Simod Cup and that pratt tooting his bugle.
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Middlesbrough have injury issues and are losing 3 first teamers to the Asian and African cups, so they won't be at full strength even if they wanted to be.
I wouldn't favour playing Marschall or O'Reilly .
Marschall was 4th choice last season, has played one game for us and the other appearances were all in the National League. I know keepers can develop later, but he'll be 25 in April so his appearances suggest he isn't at the right level.
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I've since seen Olsen is back in training so put him in goal for this one.
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Obviously we will lose.
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Please can you amened the title to put 'pre-match' in? I fear you've cost us the tie already tbh.
Has ben added by a Mod and also the unnecessary word "thread" to which I could object to but that will just amplify my incompetence.
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1-1
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Middlesbrough have injury issues and are losing 3 first teamers to the Asian and African cups, so they won't be at full strength even if they wanted to be.
I wouldn't favour playing Marschall or O'Reilly .
Marschall was 4th choice last season, has played one game for us and the other appearances were all in the National League. I know keepers can develop later, but he'll be 25 in April so his appearances suggest he isn't at the right level.
He's 20.
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Has ben added by a Mod and also the unnecessary word "thread" to which I could object to but that will just amplify my incompetence.
Who is Ben and why haven't you used a capital B?
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I'm looking forward to going to the Riverside I can see us winning 2-0.
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FA Cup Third round.
Saturday 6 January, Kick Off 5.30PM
The Riverside Stadium, Middlesbrough
Live on BBC1
OK no resting or rotating nonsense please Unai. We don't have a League game till 14 January so go for it with best available XI.
Completely agree with this, we only have two league games in January, we simply have to try and win something with this manager and this group of players. We’ve have had too many slips over the last decade.
Martinez
Cash. konsa. Torres. Moreno
Bailey Kamara. Luiz. McGinn
Diaby. Watkins
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Hopefully a good game to get Ramsey and Moreno up to speed, and a confidence builder for Diaby.
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Second string side please, need to rest players for our Champions League push.
I have never and will never understand this way of thinking.
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Middlesbrough have injury issues and are losing 3 first teamers to the Asian and African cups, so they won't be at full strength even if they wanted to be.
I wouldn't favour playing Marschall or O'Reilly .
Marschall was 4th choice last season, has played one game for us and the other appearances were all in the National League. I know keepers can develop later, but he'll be 25 in April so his appearances suggest he isn't at the right level.
He's 20.
Oops..I wasn't close although the month was right 🥴
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FA Cup Third round.
Saturday 6 January, Kick Off 5.30PM
The Riverside Stadium, Middlesbrough
Live on BBC1
OK no resting or rotating nonsense please Unai. We don't have a League game till 14 January so go for it with best available XI.
Completely agree with this, we only have two league games in January, we simply have to try and win something with this manager and this group of players. We’ve have had too many slips over the last decade.
Martinez
Cash. konsa. Torres. Moreno
Bailey Kamara. Luiz. McGinn
Diaby. Watkins
Not a chance it will be anything like this team!!
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2-0.
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Olsen, Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno, Donk, Kamara, Ramsey, Zaniolo, Diaby, Duran.
Would love us to win this but that should be enough to see us through. Plenty of strength on the bench if required.
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I really dont understand the not risking players, we have two other games in January
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I’d go with a starting 11 of:-
Harry Truman
Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, Television
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I'd have put McCarthy out on the left.
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Is Olsen back from injury yet?
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I'd have put McCarthy out on the left.
Have you no sense of decency, sir?
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I really dont understand the not risking players, we have two other games in January
People will complain if we go out and didn’t give the cup a good go…another year gone etc.
Likewise before and we put the best team out.
IMO, go for it, as you say only 2 other matches in Jan and I still want us to win the damn thing.
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FA Cup Third round.
Saturday 6 January, Kick Off 5.30PM
The Riverside Stadium, Middlesbrough
Live on BBC1
OK no resting or rotating nonsense please Unai. We don't have a League game till 14 January so go for it with best available XI.
Completely agree with this, we only have two league games in January, we simply have to try and win something with this manager and this group of players. We’ve have had too many slips over the last decade.
Martinez
Cash. konsa. Torres. Moreno
Bailey Kamara. Luiz. McGinn
Diaby. Watkins
Not a chance it will be anything like this team!!
and neither shouild it be . We need to rest our key players and let the B team take on Boro reserves
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Is Olsen back from injury yet?
Yes
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For me:
Martinez; Cash (hopefully), Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno; Zaniolo, Tim, Doug, Ramsey; Diaby, Duran.
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FA Cup Third round.
Saturday 6 January, Kick Off 5.30PM
The Riverside Stadium, Middlesbrough
Live on BBC1
OK no resting or rotating nonsense please Unai. We don't have a League game till 14 January so go for it with best available XI.
Completely agree with this, we only have two league games in January, we simply have to try and win something with this manager and this group of players. We’ve have had too many slips over the last decade.
Martinez
Cash. konsa. Torres. Moreno
Bailey Kamara. Luiz. McGinn
Diaby. Watkins
Not a chance it will be anything like this team!!
and neither shouild it be . We need to rest our key players and let the B team take on Boro reserves
Why?
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FA Cup Third round.
Saturday 6 January, Kick Off 5.30PM
The Riverside Stadium, Middlesbrough
Live on BBC1
OK no resting or rotating nonsense please Unai. We don't have a League game till 14 January so go for it with best available XI.
Completely agree with this, we only have two league games in January, we simply have to try and win something with this manager and this group of players. We’ve have had too many slips over the last decade.
Martinez
Cash. konsa. Torres. Moreno
Bailey Kamara. Luiz. McGinn
Diaby. Watkins
Not a chance it will be anything like this team!!
and neither shouild it be . We need to rest our key players and let the B team take on Boro reserves
Why?
a. They are knackered
b. we don't need to risk key players
c. Boro will play a mixed bag team
d. its the point of having a squad
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and neither shouild it be . We need to rest our key players and let the B team take on Boro reserves
Pretty sure this was people's attitude to the Everton game in the Carabao Cup. And we sent out a decent squad, and lost.
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FA Cup Third round.
Saturday 6 January, Kick Off 5.30PM
The Riverside Stadium, Middlesbrough
Live on BBC1
OK no resting or rotating nonsense please Unai. We don't have a League game till 14 January so go for it with best available XI.
Completely agree with this, we only have two league games in January, we simply have to try and win something with this manager and this group of players. We’ve have had too many slips over the last decade.
Martinez
Cash. konsa. Torres. Moreno
Bailey Kamara. Luiz. McGinn
Diaby. Watkins
Not a chance it will be anything like this team!!
and neither shouild it be . We need to rest our key players and let the B team take on Boro reserves
Why?
a. They are knackered
b. we don't need to risk key players
c. Boro will play a mixed bag team
d. its the point of having a squad
They won’t have played for almost a week, they then only have two games for the remainder of the month.
Risk players to try and win something for the first time in 28 years??
Well Boro might, who cares.
See the above, we need to win something.
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Happy to send out a second string team and if we get knocked out, I’ve no problem with that to be honest. Can do without the extra games when we’re the closest we’ve ever got to Champions League spot.
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Expect lots of changes, I would go..
Sims Aldis Lynn Dugdale Crowther Saward Smith McParland Dixon Myerscough Sewell
May have Pace instead of Myerscough as he scored in our 3-2 win last time we played them in the FA Cup (in 1957). Brian Clough got one of their goals.
https://www.11v11.com/matches/middlesbrough-v-aston-villa-26-january-1957-210978/
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Happy to send out a second string team and if we get knocked out, I’ve no problem with that to be honest. Can do without the extra games when we’re the closest we’ve ever got to Champions League spot.
yeah plus we have ECL . We need to use the squad
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Player availability likely to drive the team selection. Kamara should be nice and fresh after his Xmas holidays. Hopefully Cash back too. Likes of Digne, Tielemans won't be available. Emery will probably give the likes of Duran and Zaniolo a go.
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Torres, Moreno, Kamara, Luiz, Zaniolo, Ramsey, Diaby, Duran.
I thought Tielemans was to only miss two weeks with his injury according to UE? That two weeks coincides with this Friday?
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People saying a mixed bag of a side should be enough to see us through
It won’t it never has we got busted by Stevenage last time and this one is far tougher
don’t know what side he’ll put out but I’m not confident of winning because I think our attitude will be poor and we are always rubbish against lower league teams
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People saying a mixed bag of a side should be enough to see us through
It won’t it never has we got busted by Stevenage last time and this one is far tougher
don’t know what side he’ll put out but I’m not confident of winning because I think our attitude will be poor and we are always rubbish against lower league teams
We didn't lose against Stevenage because the starting line up wasn't good enough, we lost because of two dreadful errors.
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Yeah it remains a strange myth about that game. 1-11 should've been, by rights, contenders to start in any given PL match. Two of them made god-awful mistakes.
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I hope we take this really seriously and put out a strong side. A bit of rotation but not much, get some game time for those who need it. 2-1 to Villa.
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Torres, Moreno, Kamara, Iroegbunam, McGinn, Zaniolo, Bailey, Watkins.
Subs, Marshall, Chambers, Dendonker, Luiz, Diaby, Duran, Carlos, Ramsey, Lenglet.
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We appear to have an uncanny knack of exiting cup competitions having fallen into the trap of not fielding our best XI. My sincere hope is our best starting line up go out and get the job done.
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I’ve got a ticket for this so I sincerely hope we put out a decent team and waltz through to the next round.
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We can't play Dougie in this one, we're going to have to rest him at some point, he's playing way too much.
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2-2
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Would go as full-strength as it can possibly be without risking any injuries. We shouldn't fear any team in the competition and have a chance, so I'd like to see us go for it.
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We can't play Dougie in this one, we're going to have to rest him at some point, he's playing way too much.
Same with McGinn and Watkins .
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We can't play Dougie in this one, we're going to have to rest him at some point, he's playing way too much.
Same with McGinn and Watkins .
Agree. Would rest Pau as well to give him a bit more time to get to 100%.
We have looked knackered lately, so time for players to have a rest and those coming back to step up.
Would play Olsen (if fit) Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno, Ramsay, Kamara, Tim, Diaby, Zaniolo, Duran.
That should be a good enough team to win and hopefully some players to get some minutes and form.
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Yes, rest most of the players. Do we know what ball number Boro have for round 4?
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Yes, rest most of the players. Do we know what ball number Boro have for round 4?
Not really. Five of those players started in the last game. Kamara and Cash are first team players who play regularly. So it's only really resting a few players who have looked a bit leggy in the past three games (apart from Ollie, who doesn't stop).
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That starting 11 should have been good enough to see off a 4th division side. A poor performance along with an attitude that stank of "we only need to turn up to win" is why we lost and it didn't take long for 5 of the 11 to be moved out of the club.
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That starting 11 should have been good enough to see off a 4th division side. A poor performance along with an attitude that stank of "we only need to turn up to win" is why we lost and it didn't take long for 5 of the 11 to be moved out of the club.
That’s it. There was nothing weak about that side. Loads of internationals and some fringe players who should have worked their balls off to prove themselves to a new manager. They let themselves down, the manager and the club. Cup games against lower league opponents shouldn’t be hard to negotiate based on available talent level of PL clubs and the right attitude.
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We can't play Dougie in this one, we're going to have to rest him at some point, he's playing way too much.
Same goes for McGinn. Although I suppose they’ve got an imminent two week break.
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Boro have a load of injuries and an FC Cup Semi Final 3 days later. I'd be surprised if they don't rotate most of their side.
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The players in the Stevenage game might have been good enough to win the game, but that ignores the fact that when you change half the team at once, you lose a lot of consistency and fluidity, especially when the players coming in are reserves who haven’t played much.
Given how badly this approach has served us in recent years, I’m a bit surprised this needs to be spelled out.
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Whilst I don't think there'll be as many changes as the Stevenage game, I can see him leaving one or two out. Konsa and Luiz maybe?
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The players in the Stevenage game might have been good enough to win the game, but that ignores the fact that when you change half the team at once, you lose a lot of consistency and fluidity, especially when the players coming in are reserves who haven’t played much.
Given how badly this approach has served us in recent years, I’m a bit surprised this needs to be spelled out.
Exactly. I don't get this "these players should be good enough" line. Look at past 7 years, 7 fucking years we have done that and got precisely nothing. Play the best and only make necessary changes.
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The first teamer I'd rest would be Watkins and that's only because I think Duran would benefit significantly from starting. We can always bring Watkins on if we're struggling.
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At least he didn't add an extra 'o' to Middlesbrough, we should still be fine.
Midodlesbrough
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The players in the Stevenage game might have been good enough to win the game, but that ignores the fact that when you change half the team at once, you lose a lot of consistency and fluidity, especially when the players coming in are reserves who haven’t played much.
Given how badly this approach has served us in recent years, I’m a bit surprised this needs to be spelled out.
Absolutely correct.
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FA Cup is the only major trophy we haven't won in most fans lifetimes on here. There would be a lot of dust in the air if we ever got to see Sir John McGinn climb those Wembley steps and lift that trophy for us.
It may have lost some of it's prestige over the years, but this is the trophy I want to see us win more than any.
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FA Cup is the only major trophy we haven't won in most fans lifetimes on here. There would be a lot of dust in the air if we ever got to see Sir John McGinn climb those Wembley steps and lift that trophy for us.
It may have lost some of it's prestige over the years, but this is the trophy I want to see us win more than any.
Again, absolutely correct.
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Martinez
Cash Carlos. Lenglet Moreno
Kamara. Dendoncker
Zaniolo Ramsey
Diaby. Duran
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The players in the Stevenage game might have been good enough to win the game, but that ignores the fact that when you change half the team at once, you lose a lot of consistency and fluidity, especially when the players coming in are reserves who haven’t played much.
Given how badly this approach has served us in recent years, I’m a bit surprised this needs to be spelled out.
Villa aren't magic or cursed. Every PL team does this including whoever ends up winning it. Emery has no need to think about how it's served us or not, just to do what is right by the generic logic of football management.
And what he did might have increased the risk of an upset, but really it ncreased it from 0,2% to 0.4%.
Edit: we are obviously both magic and cursed, but you know what I mean.
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Martinez
Cash Carlos. Lenglet Moreno
Kamara. Dendoncker
Zaniolo Ramsey
Diaby. Duran
That's probably what I'd put out. Still mostly first team players but those who are just coming back from injury or who haven't been first choice for a while. And obviously a big fat no to Olsen in goal.
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All those pleading for Watkins, McGinn and others to be rested for two weeks, are the exact ones who will be saying they are rusty and not quite match fit if they put in a subpar performance when they return
Playing twice a week on a regular basis yeah maybe you need a rest every now and again
But if you want to maintain form and fitness you should to be playing at least once a week
This idea that playing less football makes you better is a complete myth
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All those pleading for Watkins, McGinn and others to be rested for two weeks, are the exact ones who will be saying they are rusty and not quite match fit if they put in a subpar performance when they return
Playing twice a week on a regular basis yeah maybe you need a rest every now and again
But if you want to maintain form and fitness you should to be playing at least once a week
This idea that playing less football makes you better is a complete myth
It’s not about being better though is it? It’s about not getting to the point where they breakdown and get injured.
As it happens I wouldn’t rotate too much because there’s a two week break coming up. But players can’t play all the time, because longer term it’ll lead to injury.
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Ideally Konsa, McGinn, Luiz and Watkins could probably do with some rest.
That would leave us with Kamara, Chambers, Donk and Duran to come in?
I'd hope that would see us through to the next round.
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The players in the Stevenage game might have been good enough to win the game, but that ignores the fact that when you change half the team at once, you lose a lot of consistency and fluidity, especially when the players coming in are reserves who haven’t played much.
Given how badly this approach has served us in recent years, I’m a bit surprised this needs to be spelled out.
Absolutely this. Fine with squad rotation, but it should be 2-4 players not the entire team. Besides which, there's only 2 League games in January & none in Europe so players will naturally get a bit of a breather
I'd go something like
Martinez
CashThe butcher of B6 - Lenglet - Torres -Moreno
Kamara - Luiz
Zaniolo - Tielemans - Ramsey
Watkins
Gives a few players a bit of a run out, still should comfortably dispatch Boro. Bring off Ollie as soon as we look vaguely comfortable - wouldn't be dead against starting with Duran
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The first teamer I'd rest would be Watkins and that's only because I think Duran would benefit significantly from starting. We can always bring Watkins on if we're struggling.
McGinn has to take a breather too. Likes of Moreno and Ramsey need games. As do Duran and Zaniolo (if we are keeping either or both). Emery has managed the load on the players very well despite all the games.
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Martinez
Cash Carlos. Lenglet Moreno
Kamara. Dendoncker
Zaniolo Ramsey
Diaby. Duran
Looks about right, not sure if Torres needs some game or more recover time.
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1.4 as long as we take it seriously. No reason not too. Only 2 league games in Jan
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All those pleading for Watkins, McGinn and others to be rested for two weeks, are the exact ones who will be saying they are rusty and not quite match fit if they put in a subpar performance when they return
Playing twice a week on a regular basis yeah maybe you need a rest every now and again
But if you want to maintain form and fitness you should to be playing at least once a week
This idea that playing less football makes you better is a complete myth
It’s not about being better though is it? It’s about not getting to the point where they breakdown and get injured.
As it happens I wouldn’t rotate too much because there’s a two week break coming up. But players can’t play all the time, because longer term it’ll lead to injury.
I just don’t think it’s as simple as that
Some of our more serious injuries to Mings, Buendia, Diego Carlos came at the beginning of a season when they were bright and fresh and have nothing to do with playing too many games
Giving a player like McGinn more than two weeks rest will probably do him more harm than good injury wise and form wise
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All those pleading for Watkins, McGinn and others to be rested for two weeks, are the exact ones who will be saying they are rusty and not quite match fit if they put in a subpar performance when they return
Playing twice a week on a regular basis yeah maybe you need a rest every now and again
But if you want to maintain form and fitness you should to be playing at least once a week
This idea that playing less football makes you better is a complete myth
It’s not about being better though is it? It’s about not getting to the point where they breakdown and get injured.
As it happens I wouldn’t rotate too much because there’s a two week break coming up. But players can’t play all the time, because longer term it’ll lead to injury.
I just don’t think it’s as simple as that
Some of our more serious injuries to Mings, Buendia, Diego Carlos came at the beginning of a season when they were bright and fresh and have nothing to do with playing too many games
Giving a player like McGinn more than two weeks rest will probably do him more harm than good injury wise and form wise
If we had 3 league games and a euro game in Jan, I’d probably say fair enough to changes. But two fooking games after Boro. Ultimately we play our better players there is less chance of an upset, end off.
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January is probably the last month of the year when there's plenty of rest time between games, so it would be daft not to go as strong as possible. I'd possibly give Luiz a rest, and maybe McGinn, but no more than that.
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January is probably the last month of the year when there's plenty of rest time between games, so it would be daft not to go as strong as possible. I'd possibly give Luiz a rest, and maybe McGinn, but no more than that.
I'd rest Olllie above others, and Duran's has had plenty of minutes of late so should be up to speed. Can always have him ready to come on if things look like going a bit tits up.
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I know there's a break between this and the next league game, and only 2 league games in January, so it's up to Emery to see if people need a rest. McGinn, Konsa, and Dougie have played the most in the league, and they've featured a fair bit in the European games. So I'd rest them, and leave Torres some more time to recover from the injury. I'd put them all on the bench though.
Martinez (if Olsen isn't available)
Cash
Carlos
Lenglet
Moreno
Kamara
Dendoncker
Ramsey
Diaby
Zaniolo
Durán
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Only a minor thing but if we do win this it adds a 4th game in January.
I know what people are saying about it being a quieter month but sometimes that extra week off can make a massive difference, especially after such a harsh schedule for the last 5weeks.
I'd be resting Luiz, Konsa, McGinn and Watkins and asking Martinez what he wants to do as well.
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Only a minor thing but if we do win this it adds a 4th game in January.
Winning this and the all following games in the tournament adds a trophy to our fairly dusty cabinet though.
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It's a fair point though, look at the absolute state of Newcastle at the minute.
I mean it's hilarious, but some of their players are burnt to a crisp.
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Only a minor thing but if we do win this it adds a 4th game in January.
Winning this and the all following games in the tournament adds a trophy to our fairly dusty cabinet though.
Does it, well fuck my old boots, who knew.
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Has ben added by a Mod and also the unnecessary word "thread" to which I could object to but that will just amplify my incompetence.
Who is Ben and why haven't you used a capital B?
I find my position no longer tenable so I am setting off on a walk from my house to Western SM and when my feet touch the sea water I am going to keep walking in to the sunset. I could say that letter E key is knackered on my keyboard but that's again my fault.
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All those pleading for Watkins, McGinn and others to be rested for two weeks, are the exact ones who will be saying they are rusty and not quite match fit if they put in a subpar performance when they return
Playing twice a week on a regular basis yeah maybe you need a rest every now and again
But if you want to maintain form and fitness you should to be playing at least once a week
This idea that playing less football makes you better is a complete myth
It’s not about being better though is it? It’s about not getting to the point where they breakdown and get injured.
As it happens I wouldn’t rotate too much because there’s a two week break coming up. But players can’t play all the time, because longer term it’ll lead to injury.
I just don’t think it’s as simple as that
Some of our more serious injuries to Mings, Buendia, Diego Carlos came at the beginning of a season when they were bright and fresh and have nothing to do with playing too many games
Giving a player like McGinn more than two weeks rest will probably do him more harm than good injury wise and form wise
I don’t think the fact that a player can get a big injury out of the blue means that cumulative fatigue is a myth. Both happen and McGinn isn’t immune to it.
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There will also be players that are carrying knocks or have a niggly injury which they are playing though, in which case a rest might do them good.
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All those pleading for Watkins, McGinn and others to be rested for two weeks, are the exact ones who will be saying they are rusty and not quite match fit if they put in a subpar performance when they return
Playing twice a week on a regular basis yeah maybe you need a rest every now and again
But if you want to maintain form and fitness you should to be playing at least once a week
This idea that playing less football makes you better is a complete myth
It’s not about being better though is it? It’s about not getting to the point where they breakdown and get injured.
As it happens I wouldn’t rotate too much because there’s a two week break coming up. But players can’t play all the time, because longer term it’ll lead to injury.
I just don’t think it’s as simple as that
Some of our more serious injuries to Mings, Buendia, Diego Carlos came at the beginning of a season when they were bright and fresh and have nothing to do with playing too many games
Giving a player like McGinn more than two weeks rest will probably do him more harm than good injury wise and form wise
I don’t think the fact that a player can get a big injury out of the blue means that cumulative fatigue is a myth. Both happen and McGinn isn’t immune to it.
Yep, exactly.
I don't think anyone is suggesting it's simple or that there's a 100% correlation between game time and injuries but there are clear links that have been proven repeatedly.
From a physical side the simple fact is that as fatigue increases the amount of force required to go through a muscle before it's damaged is decreased, there are plenty of scientific studies proving this.
That isn't the full story though because the other affects of fatigue are around concentration and reaction times which, in top level sport, can create a need to push a bit harder or reach a bit further and that extra effort increases the number of injury risks that occur and, as with anything, the more chances you give it to happen the more likely it becomes.
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Not convinced we’re particularly interested in the FA cup, so a home win.
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The only thing you're ever convinced of is that we'll lose every game.
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I'm not sure they will be that much more interested either, given they have a two-legged League Cup Semi Final and they would still be targeting the play-offs.
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Only a minor thing but if we do win this it adds a 4th game in January.
Winning this and the all following games in the tournament adds a trophy to our fairly dusty cabinet though.
Does it, well fuck my old boots, who knew.
Well, if you put it like that, who knew that winning the 3rd round tie would add a game to the calendar?
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The fringe players and kids need to pick up the slack in the FA Cup this season, we have a great chance of qualifying for the champions league so that has to take priority now.
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2nd string pls.
The likes of Martinez, Konza, McGinn, Watkins, Bailey, Luiz should be on the bench because they need the rest (and an injury to any one of them would seriously impact our chances of staying in the top 4). I would play Kamara, Moreno, Torres, and Ramsey (because they are all coming back from injury / rest and need the minutes) plus the likes of Duran, Carlos, Lenglet, Tim, etc - which should be more than strong enough to beat Boro. If and only if we are in trouble, bring on the cavalry.
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Not convinced we’re particularly interested in the FA cup, so a home win.
Not interested? I hope thats not the case.
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Take it seriously this time please Unai
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Take it seriously this time please Unai
He took it seriously last time.
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Take it seriously this time please Unai
Taking your posts seriously would be a start.
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2nd string pls.
The likes of Martinez, Konza, McGinn, Watkins, Bailey, Luiz should be on the bench because they need the rest (and an injury to any one of them would seriously impact our chances of staying in the top 4). I would play Kamara, Moreno, Torres, and Ramsey (because they are all coming back from injury / rest and need the minutes) plus the likes of Duran, Carlos, Lenglet, Tim, etc - which should be more than strong enough to beat Boro. If and only if we are in trouble, bring on the cavalry.
Boro wont be playing a full strength side either given what's ahead of them
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We do not have the squad to go deep in both cup competitions and maintain our position in the league.
Something will give either by design or fatigue.
I am sure Emery knows this.
It would be the PL and FACup for me.
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We do not have the squad to go deep in both cup competitions and maintain our position in the league.
Something will give either by design or fatigue.
I am sure Emery knows this.
It would be the PL and FACup for me.
Well it's January and the transfer window is open, so let's add a bit to that squad depth.
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Only a minor thing but if we do win this it adds a 4th game in January.
Winning this and the all following games in the tournament adds a trophy to our fairly dusty cabinet though.
Does it, well fuck my old boots, who knew.
Well, if you put it like that, who knew that winning the 3rd round tie would add a game to the calendar?
Well I mentioned it because of thew amount of posts saying after this there are only 2 more games in January so maybe a few people didn't know when the 4th round is to be played.
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Suspect we will play a 2nd string mix and a very low key/tempo game Saturday tee time and will be a nice one to nod off to in front of the fire . If it works all good and well, if not so be it .
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Only a minor thing but if we do win this it adds a 4th game in January.
I know what people are saying about it being a quieter month but sometimes that extra week off can make a massive difference, especially after such a harsh schedule for the last 5weeks.
I'd be resting Luiz, Konsa, McGinn and Watkins and asking Martinez what he wants to do as well.
Aye, possibly Cash as well, as he had an extended campaign last year with the World Cup. I know he didn't play as soon as he came back, but he was still training and mentally on the clock.
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I'd like to see us go as strong as we can but to give big Tim a game.
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I don’t think we will play a total second string ie MON (Moscow)
but it will be a mixed bag with some decent subs coming on
I don’t think the lineup is as critical as the attitude the players have in playing the game
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Only a minor thing but if we do win this it adds a 4th game in January.
Winning this and the all following games in the tournament adds a trophy to our fairly dusty cabinet though.
Does it, well fuck my old boots, who knew.
Well, if you put it like that, who knew that winning the 3rd round tie would add a game to the calendar?
Well I mentioned it because of thew amount of posts saying after this there are only 2 more games in January so maybe a few people didn't know when the 4th round is to be played.
Yep to be fair I didn’t realise the 4th round of the cup was played in January.
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I don’t think we will play a total second string ie MON (Moscow)
but it will be a mixed bag with some decent subs coming on
I don’t think the lineup is as critical as the attitude the players have in playing the game
That's the way I see it.
It's not just resting certain players (which should be done), it is a question of establishing squad depth for the future.
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Martinez
Cash
Carlos
Torres
Moreno
Zaniolo
Kamara
McGinn
Ramsey
Diaby
Duran
Gives Ollie, Konsa and Dougie a rest.
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Yep to be fair I didn’t realise the 4th round of the cup was played in January.
To be fair to you it’s only a recent thing since about 1897😂
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Martinez
Cash
Carlos
Torres
Moreno
Zaniolo
Kamara
McGinn
Ramsey
Diaby
Duran
Gives Ollie, Konsa and Dougie a rest.
This is fine. No more changes necessary.
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Yep to be fair I didn’t realise the 4th round of the cup was played in January.
To be fair to you it’s only a recent thing since about 1897😂
Indeed, although it feels that long since we reached the heady heights of round 4 😩😂
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Martinez
Cash
Carlos
Torres
Moreno
Zaniolo
Kamara
McGinn
Ramsey
Diaby
Duran
Gives Ollie, Konsa and Dougie a rest.
McGinn is also in need of a rest and won't feature imho
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Only a minor thing but if we do win this it adds a 4th game in January.
Winning this and the all following games in the tournament adds a trophy to our fairly dusty cabinet though.
Does it, well fuck my old boots, who knew.
Well, if you put it like that, who knew that winning the 3rd round tie would add a game to the calendar?
Well I mentioned it because of thew amount of posts saying after this there are only 2 more games in January so maybe a few people didn't know when the 4th round is to be played.
Yep to be fair I didn’t realise the 4th round of the cup was played in January.
Could be 5 games in January if we need a replay.
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Plese,what is a fourth round?
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Plese,what is a fourth round?
If you were drinking pints of Ansell's Aston in my young day, it would be the point of no return aka the Plimsoll Line.
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Only a minor thing but if we do win this it adds a 4th game in January.
Winning this and the all following games in the tournament adds a trophy to our fairly dusty cabinet though.
Does it, well fuck my old boots, who knew.
Well, if you put it like that, who knew that winning the 3rd round tie would add a game to the calendar?
Well I mentioned it because of thew amount of posts saying after this there are only 2 more games in January so maybe a few people didn't know when the 4th round is to be played.
Ah, I see, ahem, well yes.
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Get the loss out of the way and see how we shape up in the league & Conference.
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I want to see us win the FA Cup.
That's my preview.
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one game at a time
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one game at a time
Thanks Lena.
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Player availability likely to drive the team selection. Kamara should be nice and fresh after his Xmas holidays. Hopefully Cash back too. Likes of Digne, Tielemans won't be available. Emery will probably give the likes of Duran and Zaniolo a go.
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Torres, Moreno, Kamara, Luiz, Zaniolo, Ramsey, Diaby, Duran.
Yeah that's a nice mix of strength and rotation.
Yeah i'd go for that team with the possible exception of Konsa for Carlos. Whilst i understand to a degree people saying that we should rest a few, i want to win it. I think that team would have enough to do so whilst giving a few of them a rest.
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Konsa has played more EPL minutes this season than any other player we have 3 in the top 10 inc Luiz and McGinn.
We are in danger of burning our players out . Rest them.
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Martinez
Cash Carlos Torres Moreno
Zaniolo Kamara Dendoncker Ramsey
Diaby Duran
Nobody in that line up has any reason to be fatigued, and several need the game time to try to get some form.
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To be fair, i think we already got your stance on it from the numerous previous posts on the subject. I suppose we'll wait and see. Although we could rest a few, we still need to have a good go at it.
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Do we need to play the second string?
We only have three games in January.
Surely we don't want to run the risk of a little rust setting in.
Although I wouldn't mind giving Iroegbunam a game so he can show that he can be trusted in Kamaras absence & we don't have to go out & purchase a ball playing central defensive midfielder who can also pass & drive forward with the ball.
Because that would cost a fortune, fuck up our FFP figures, & we have one on our doorstep for free.
Maybe Feeney too, in place of Lenglent.
Mostly because I think Lenglet is shit as he has less pace & mobility than I do.
And I walk with a cane.
Apart from that, first choice's please...
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To be fair, i think we already got your stance on it from the numerous previous posts on the subject. I suppose we'll wait and see. Although we could rest a few, we still need to have a good go at it.
yeah. You can use the squad and still "have a good go at it". We are playing Boro reserves not Liverpool
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Right, and we were playing an Everton side in September that we'd beaten 4-0 3 weeks before and lost 1-2 when we made loads of changes. I'm not altogether disagreeing with the idea but we don't need to field half a team, we haven't had the league cup to consider because of that night and we've avoided extra games in Europe. How many games do you think some of Man City's key players played last season??
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Martinez
Cash Carlos Torres Moreno
Zaniolo Kamara Dendoncker Ramsey
Diaby Duran
Nobody in that line up has any reason to be fatigued, and several need the game time to try to get some form.
agree 100%
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Right, and we were playing an Everton side in September that we'd beaten 4-0 3 weeks before and lost 1-2 when we made loads of changes. I'm not altogether disagreeing with the idea but we don't need to field half a team, we haven't had the league cup to consider because of that night and we've avoided extra games in Europe. How many games do you think some of Man City's key players played last season??
getting knocked out of the Carabao Cup was an absolute blessing in disguise
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Right, and we were playing an Everton side in September that we'd beaten 4-0 3 weeks before and lost 1-2 when we made loads of changes. I'm not altogether disagreeing with the idea but we don't need to field half a team, we haven't had the league cup to consider because of that night and we've avoided extra games in Europe. How many games do you think some of Man City's key players played last season??
getting knocked out of the Carabao Cup was an absolute blessing in disguise
If we win the ECL and then qualify for the Champions League on the last day of the season, we will say the same about getting knocked out of the FA Cup this weekend. I'd love us to have a go and win it but it has to be put in priority order. And for me, it is 3rd.
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I’d rather win the FA Cup than the Conference League, if I had to pick, but hopefully we win both.
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I'd take the Conference League, as I am pretty sure first time we find ourselves in the Europa League, with Emery in charge it's as good as in the bag, which would mean we had done a clean sweep of all European trophies.
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I'd rather win the Conference League. There's a level of prestige to winning a European trophy unrivalled domestically.
Let's be honest, the FA Cup means something to people who grew up with 3 channels. I want to win the FA Cup because I want to win things. Winning the FA Cup wouldn't feel any better than winning the League Cup to me.
"Oooooh the magic" yeah, whatever mate, just put the trophy in the back and mind that big one while you do it.
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I'd rather win the Conference League. There's a level of prestige to winning a European trophy unrivalled domestically.
Let's be honest, the FA Cup means something to people who grew up with 3 channels. I want to win the FA Cup because I want to win things. Winning the FA Cup wouldn't feel any better than winning the League Cup to me.
"Oooooh the magic" yeah, whatever mate, just put the trophy in the back and mind that big one while you do it.
Pfft kids these days, eh. I'm still old enough to remember the FA Cup being a big thing where the attendance goes up for it rather than down, and you'd still have enough left from a tenner to go to Laser Quest and get a hot dog from the Westlers man in town.
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I want to win the FA Cup before I pop my clogs so it is important to me, however, every team in England gets a chance to win it every year whilst very few teams get the chance to win a European trophy so Conference League just about trumps the FA Cup for that reason for me.
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Every year I approach the FA Cup in the context of the season we are having. League is always the priority (whether at the top or the bottom). In a season like 1998-99 or this one I would prioritise the league. In a season like 99-00 or some of the non descript Gregory, O'Leary years I would want us to go for the FA Cup. I sometimes feel we could have done more in the League in 1995-96 if we didn't go so deep in the FA Cup in addition to winning the League Cup. I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
If we were 8th or 9th right now I would be up for an FA Cup run. As things stand we are in the race for two trophies already: Conference League and the League. I won't be gutted if we flop in the FA cup this season but that doesn't mean I wouldn't love to see us win it next year or the year after.
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy which they actually did by beating 2nd division Sunderland in the final.
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy.
They played Portsmouth in the semi and Sunderland in the final. That was our year.
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I'd rather win the Conference League. There's a level of prestige to winning a European trophy unrivalled domestically.
Let's be honest, the FA Cup means something to people who grew up with 3 channels. I want to win the FA Cup because I want to win things. Winning the FA Cup wouldn't feel any better than winning the League Cup to me.
"Oooooh the magic" yeah, whatever mate, just put the trophy in the back and mind that big one while you do it.
I agree with you, the so called “magic of the cup”went long ago for the clubs. Our game, Boro will likely rest players cos they’ve prioritised other competitions and we’ll do the same. Certainly some of ours need a break and this, from a club point of view, is the ideal time to do it. Thats also the point of a squad. I think we’ll win regardless of the team we field.
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Yes, i edited the end of my post regarding the final. Portsmouth were also 2nd division i think?
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy.
They played Portsmouth in the semi and Sunderland in the final. That was our year.
So did we not turn up at Anfield or what happened? I only have vague memories of it as a kid watching it in a neighbour's house (full of Redscouse fans).
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy which they actually did by beating 2nd division Sunderland in the final.
i went to that one, the Yellow away kit out of the blue day
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy.
They played Portsmouth in the semi and Sunderland in the final. That was our year.
So did we not turn up at Anfield or what happened? I only have vague memories of it as a kid watching it in a neighbour's house (full of Redscouse fans).
In all honesty it was a bit of a nothing game as we cancelled each other out, we huffed and puffed second half but didn’t create too many chances then Kubicki made a slip and Liverpool got the ball to Michael Thomas to score. It was a massive missed opportunity and was rounded off with us wearing that appalling Ellis cash in Yellow shirt. I’m still bitter 30 years later.
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy.
They played Portsmouth in the semi and Sunderland in the final. That was our year.
So did we not turn up at Anfield or what happened? I only have vague memories of it as a kid watching it in a neighbour's house (full of Redscouse fans).
the game sort of passed us by. Neither team were briliant from memory
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The FA Cup started being devalued in the 2000s. There's a few reasons for it I reckon. Main one being as more CL spots were on offer more clubs were after that cash cow. Back before then a side 4th or 5th would be going all guns blazing for the cup as they were most likely already out the title race.
Then the PL money meant staying in the PL was deemed more important so you had sides at the top and bottom of the league fielding weaker sides.
Fans lost interest in paying good money to see reserve sides playing each other, along with the sides at the top being so cash rich from the PL and CL so have ridiculous squads that the odds of anyone winning from outside the Sky Wanker clubs is tiny. Only 3 teams have won it from outside that group in the last 25 years. All the others were won by either Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea.
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Well my dreams are pissed on, a man of my time and all that, but to correct Ads there were 4 channels when I was growing up.
There are probably stats and info to prove me wrong on this, but it doesn’t really feel like the second string play once the quarter finals come around?
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy.
They played Portsmouth in the semi and Sunderland in the final. That was our year.
Yep, and it was probably the last year before the significance of the Cup was eroded.
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy which they actually did by beating 2nd division Sunderland in the final.
Prob not good enough to beat them on the day, but def should have got the draw and done them in the replay at home.
Can still see Atkinson's miss now. And that daft look on his face.
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Yes, the match didn't really live up to the atmosphere (we at least created), bit tight, nothing really significant happening and then Thomas broke through with about 15 mins left ish, i think.
We did have a better chance in 2000 in that we did make the final against a Chelsea team who were a bit better than us but not massively. We didn't turn up for that one at all, James dropped the ball, the only time i remember him doing it whilst with us, and that was it.
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy.
They played Portsmouth in the semi and Sunderland in the final. That was our year.
1990 stings more. Yes, Oldham were flying. And yes they had the plastic pitch. But they were still a second division mob. Win that (or the replay) and we'd have had a Yanited side that finished 13in in the league that year. And Crystal Palace in the final.
Would have been a fitting reward for that side and a great send off for Sir Graham.
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy.
They played Portsmouth in the semi and Sunderland in the final. That was our year.
1990 stings more. Yes, Oldham were flying. And yes they had the plastic pitch. But they were still a second division mob. Win that (or the replay) and we'd have had a Yanited side that finished 13in in the league that year. And Crystal Palace in the final.
Would have been a fitting reward for that side and a great send off for Sir Graham.
I watched that one in disbelief on Ceefax as the plastic pitch ****** put 3 past us.
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy.
They played Portsmouth in the semi and Sunderland in the final. That was our year.
1990 stings more. Yes, Oldham were flying. And yes they had the plastic pitch. But they were still a second division mob. Win that (or the replay) and we'd have had a Yanited side that finished 13in in the league that year. And Crystal Palace in the final.
Would have been a fitting reward for that side and a great send off for Sir Graham.
I watched that one in disbelief on Ceefax as the plastic pitch ****** put 3 past us.
The only game I missed home or away from Christmas, and only because we had a City Cup semi-final for the school at the Maypole.
We got gubbed 4-0 by Edmund Campion and then I had to go home and listen to that.
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I love the FA Cup - but Saturday is a weird one.
I'm out so can't watch it. We have a good chance of winning (as a team 3rd in the Premier League should do) - but knowing our current FA Cup record and Emery's previous three cup matches I wouldn't be at all surprised if we lose. So I'm not re-arranging plans to watch the match and will hopefully be pleasantly surprised when a see the score.
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I did go to the Blackburn 3rd round away game which i think was my first away match. 2-2.
I actually stopped playing football myself to go to some of the away matches.
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2nd.
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The FA Cup is the holy grail for me, but can see Emery starting a weakened team and getting bombed out.
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I don't want to lose, but I'd almost prefer it over a replay.
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I love the FA Cup - but Saturday is a weird one.
I'm out so can't watch it. We have a good chance of winning (as a team 3rd in the Premier League should do) - but knowing our current FA Cup record and Emery's previous three cup matches I wouldn't be at all surprised if we lose. So I'm not re-arranging plans to watch the match and will hopefully be pleasantly surprised when a see the score.
Are they playing man city? I think you will find that we are considerably higher than 3rd, in fact 2 points clear of the team in 3rd position. :)
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy.
They played Portsmouth in the semi and Sunderland in the final. That was our year.
1990 stings more. Yes, Oldham were flying. And yes they had the plastic pitch. But they were still a second division mob. Win that (or the replay) and we'd have had a Yanited side that finished 13in in the league that year. And Crystal Palace in the final.
Would have been a fitting reward for that side and a great send off for Sir Graham.
I watched that one in disbelief on Ceefax as the plastic pitch ****** put 3 past us.
we went to this one , we left when their 3rd went in (about 65 mins ?) got back to the car to find we were blocked in and sat listening to the rest of the game on the radio. An utter shit-show of a night
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The FA Cup is the holy grail for me, but can see Emery starting a weakened team and getting bombed out.
Villa should go as strong as possible particularly as there's so few games this month. We did similar against Hibernian and blew them away in the first-half. We don't want another embarrassment like Stevenage!
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy.
They played Portsmouth in the semi and Sunderland in the final. That was our year.
1990 stings more. Yes, Oldham were flying. And yes they had the plastic pitch. But they were still a second division mob. Win that (or the replay) and we'd have had a Yanited side that finished 13in in the league that year. And Crystal Palace in the final.
Would have been a fitting reward for that side and a great send off for Sir Graham.
I watched that one in disbelief on Ceefax as the plastic pitch ****** put 3 past us.
we went to this one , we left when their 3rd went in (about 65 mins ?) got back to the car to find we were blocked in and sat listening to the rest of the game on the radio. An utter shit-show of a night
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At least it would have been warmer in the car. It was always fucking freezing at Oldham.
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It still is.
When the wind blows in the right direction, it snows uphill.
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2nd.
Indeed
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy which they actually did by beating 2nd division Sunderland in the final.
I was living in Coventry at the time and Queued up for a few hours right around VP they ran out of tickets as I was about 50 or so from the front
I did get the yellow shirt though which I thought was super cool at the time but now seems a bit garish
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I am a bit too young to comment with authority on 1991-92 but the consensus is we should have won the FA Cup that season.
We queued for 4 hours for tickets to the quarter final at Anfield. We really had a good chance that day, maybe not quite as much so as the other night at Old Trafford but it was certainly a good chance to beat them on their own turf, but they won 1-0. The atmosphere was electric from our end and they had empty seats. I think we were the 2 best teams still in it from memory so yes, had we been better on the day we could well have gone on to win the trophy which they actually did by beating 2nd division Sunderland in the final.
I was living in Coventry at the time and Queued up for a few hours right around VP they ran out of tickets as I was about 50 or so from the front
I did get the yellow shirt though which I thought was super cool at the time but now seems a bit garish
Yeah the queue was all around the stadium, I’d have been miffed if they’d sold out for us ! I’ll admit that I liked the shirt too.
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Emery must play a strong side for this.
Sod everything else, I want to get to the 4th round of the cup (and then further than that if possible).
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Think we will play a similar side to our Europa Conference games.
Mix of first teamers and reserves.
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our bench is pretty strong nowadays , can people stop fretting
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I want to get to the 4th round of the cup
For once!
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Take it seriously this time please Unai
He took it seriously last time.
Shame the team he picked didn't
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Can’t see us losing this, 3-0 Villa.
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I remember thinking at the time it was very "Villa" to get a new manager in who is seen as an absolute fucking magician in cup competitions, only to get knocked out of one in his second game, and then a month or so later, another one, against a bunch of postmen and plumbers you'd expect Small Heath to beat.
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Just watched the MOTD extended highlights of Liverpool v Villa FA Cup Quarter Final 1991/92 here:
Some observations:
- Two well-matched sides. As shown in the final league standings that season. Home advantage probably the marginal difference helping Liverpool win through. Seems that they missed important players like John Barnes and Ronnie Whelan for most of that season through injury. Both played in this game and in the post-match interview Souness said that it was the first time all season he had been able to play something like his strongest XI.
- I was surprised to see back-passes still allowed. I was sure they had been outlawed the previous year.
- McGrath helped instigate two of our best opportunities to score. Grobbelar was the busier of the goalkeepers. Thomas, before his goal, and Atkinson later, had the two best chances outside of the winning goal. Froggatt, young and eager to impress as a sub, over-hit the cross to Dalian. A little less pace on the ball and he would (probably) have buried it.
- Grobbelaar gave the Villa fans behind his goal applause at the end, fair play.
- Barnes looked a class above anyone else, his pass made the winning goal.
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Anfield was still a shithole back then, I see.
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Gotta say as an old fart that I also would love to see us win the FA Cup before I leave this world.
So would like too see us field a pretty strong starting line up.
It has been a bit of an obsession of mine since I saw us lose at home to Rotherham in Round 4 in 1968.
I travelled from Australia to be at the 2015 final.
I know it doesn't mean as much these days but I would take it over the Europa Conference.
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A question for the "holy grail" contingent - if we did finally win it again (this year or any other year) would that scratch the itch? Would that shift your view and place the cup's importance further back? I'd love to go back to the old days when cup final day was really special. But those days are (sadly) long gone.
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Yes Lee I think so.
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A question for the "holy grail" contingent - if we did finally win it again (this year or any other year) would that scratch the itch? Would that shift your view and place the cup's importance further back? I'd love to go back to the old days when cup final day was really special. But those days are (sadly) long gone.
For me, its not something we have won in my lifetime (I am 64 this year) If I could see us win this before I go, it would complete my Villa supporting lifetime, then in whatever years I have left, we can win Premier League and Champions League, then maybe FA Cup again (dont want much do I?) Plus, the way we are going as a club, why not another League and Cup double with a European Trophy thrown in for good measure. I would love cup final day to be like it used to be, the whole Saturday, Watching Grandstand with Road to Wembley, Players Wives etc etc early start, late finish and whilst you always wanted it to be 'your club' participating, it was still special as a neutral, but this is never going to come back
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I have a mate who was at 4 of our five League Cup wins, at Highbury in '81 and Rotterdam the following year. If only for him, I'd like us to win the FA Cup and if there was only one final ticket between us, he'd have it.
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I remember the song from my early days at VP.
My eyes have seen the glory of the Villa win the cup
7 times we won it no one else can catch us up.
We are the boys in claret and blue we are the gallant few
And the Villa go marching on on on
There are not many of those left that can sing the first line.
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Gallant few? ...chosen few, surely?
Don't want a draw/replay. Just get it done Villa with whoever we play.
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Gallant few? ...chosen few, surely?
Don't want a draw/replay. Just get it done Villa with whoever we play.
It was a while ago.
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Anfield was still a shithole back then, I see.
Old Bill with large wooden sticks prodding us every now and then
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I remember the song from my early days at VP.
My eyes have seen the glory of the Villa win the cup
7 times we won it no one else can catch us up.
We are the boys in claret and blue we are the gallant few
And the Villa go marching on on on
There are not many of those left that can sing the first line.
We still sing it and were on the concourse last Saturday, only we change "no one else" to "fuck the ones" who catch us up.
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I remember the song from my early days at VP.
My eyes have seen the glory of the Villa win the cup
7 times we won it no one else can catch us up.
We are the boys in claret and blue we are the gallant few
And the Villa go marching on on on
There are not many of those left that can sing the first line.
How proud we were to sing this...the likes of Redfilth have about 15 by now dont they - cnuts
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Arse 14
Yanited 12
'The Mighty Reds YNWA' 8
Spurzzz 8
Chelski 8
Us and Citeh 7
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Arse 14
Yanited 12
'The Mighty Reds YNWA' 8
Spurzzz 8
Chelski 8
Us and Citeh 7
That has changed my mind a bit. I'd love us to move onto 8. And then go on to double figures.
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I remember the song from my early days at VP.
My eyes have seen the glory of the Villa win the cup
7 times we won it no one else can catch us up.
We are the boys in claret and blue we are the gallant few
And the Villa go marching on on on
There are not many of those left that can sing the first line.
How proud we were to sing this...the likes of Redfilth have about 15 by now dont they - cnuts
That corporate arse whistle Wenger won it more times on his own.
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I have a mate who was at 4 of our five League Cup wins, at Highbury in '81 and Rotterdam the following year. If only for him, I'd like us to win the FA Cup and if there was only one final ticket between us, he'd have it.
I have a similar record to your mate and I too would dearly love to see Villa win the FA Cup before I exit this world. However, I also work with a lad in his twenties who has been going home and away throughout our lean years to every match and has never seen Villa lift a trophy in his young life other than the Playoff Final. I'll never forget seeing our boys lift trophies but this lad and many others like him absolutely deserve the opportunity to witness some glory moments of their own.
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I want to get to the 4th round of the cup
What's a 4th round of the cup?
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I want to get to the 4th round of the cup
What's a 4th round of the cup?
The Villa equivalent of Brigadoon. A magical place that emerges once every decade before fading back into the mists once more.
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I want to get to the 4th round of the cup
What's a 4th round of the cup?
The Villa equivalent of Brigadoon. A magical place that emerges once every decade before fading back into the mists once more.
*Whole of the Moon by the Waterboys jumps onto internal jukebox*
Thanks!
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I have a mate who was at 4 of our five League Cup wins, at Highbury in '81 and Rotterdam the following year. If only for him, I'd like us to win the FA Cup and if there was only one final ticket between us, he'd have it.
Cheers, mate. Hopefully we'll both get tickets but thanks for the heads up.
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I have a mate who was at 4 of our five League Cup wins, at Highbury in '81 and Rotterdam the following year. If only for him, I'd like us to win the FA Cup and if there was only one final ticket between us, he'd have it.
Cheers, mate. Hopefully we'll both get tickets but thanks for the heads up.
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January 26 1957 Villa were away to Middlesbrough in the FA Cup and we all know what happened next. It’s an omen I tell ya.
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January 26 1957 Villa were away to Middlesbrough in the FA Cup and we all know what happened next. It’s an omen I tell ya.
Can look forward to Jhon Duran innocently smashing Andre Onana's jaw Iin May then.
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We haven't won anything since 1996 so winning any 1 of the 3 would be marvellous.
Win 2 out of the 3 would be unbelievable.
Get all 3 and would be beyond our wildest dreams.
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Last won the year before my birth (I like to claim that I was conceived as a result of the celebrations following our win, but neither of my folks had any interest in Football or the Villa), so - for me - it's a quest we need to fufill, and soon!
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We haven't won anything since 1996 so winning any 1 of the 3 would be marvellous.
Win 2 out of the 3 would be unbelievable.
Get all 3 and would be beyond our wildest dreams.
yes we have (2001)
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Just watched the MOTD extended highlights of Liverpool v Villa FA Cup Quarter Final 1991/92 here:
Some observations:
- Two well-matched sides. As shown in the final league standings that season. Home advantage probably the marginal difference helping Liverpool win through. Seems that they missed important players like John Barnes and Ronnie Whelan for most of that season through injury. Both played in this game and in the post-match interview Souness said that it was the first time all season he had been able to play something like his strongest XI.
- I was surprised to see back-passes still allowed. I was sure they had been outlawed the previous year.
- McGrath helped instigate two of our best opportunities to score. Grobbelar was the busier of the goalkeepers. Thomas, before his goal, and Atkinson later, had the two best chances outside of the winning goal. Froggatt, young and eager to impress as a sub, over-hit the cross to Dalian. A little less pace on the ball and he would (probably) have buried it.
- Grobbelaar gave the Villa fans behind his goal applause at the end, fair play.
- Barnes looked a class above anyone else, his pass made the winning goal.
Was there, living in Liverpool as a student. The walk home was a bit scary :)
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Last won the year before my birth (I like to claim that I was conceived as a result of the celebrations following our win, but neither of my folks had any interest in Football or the Villa), so - for me - it's a quest we need to fufill, and soon!
I like to think I was conceived on the night of the '57 FA Cup win. But I was born about 5/6 weeks prematurely (which was serious in those days), and the arithmetic doesn't quite stack up.
As an aside, my parents, who were married in Aston Church, always told me, and siblings, they were married in November 1956. It was only after they both died, when I had the paperwork, that we discovered why the "do" we laid on for their 25th was a bit uncomfortable. They were married, it seems rather hastily, in November 1957, well after the FA Cup, and my conception (which was also rather serious in those days).
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i was born 1 year before, my dad always said that he showed me the picture of the villa displaying the cup in the Argus, so I can say, "mine eyes have seen the glory -------"
But I would like to see and appreciate it.
Chelsea was a real downer, I never got to the Arsenal game so as a fickle bugger I could walk away from the TV when the predictable started becoming reality,
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We can't play Dougie in this one, we're going to have to rest him at some point, he's playing way too much.
Same with McGinn and Watkins .
Agreed. And Ezri.
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i was born 1 year before, my dad always said that he showed me the picture of the villa displaying the cup in the Argus, so I can say, "mine eyes have seen the glory -------"
But I would like to see and appreciate it.
Chelsea was a real downer, I never got to the Arsenal game so as a fickle bugger I could walk away from the TV when the predictable started becoming reality,
I went to the Chelsea game and it was awful.
I watched the Arsenal game in a pub which was obviously full of noses giving it the bigun'
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We should win, turn in a performance like Alkmar away. In the hat, simple as.
Unfortunately I’m in a negative frame right now, we are getting knocked out with a whimper.
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going to watch the game in the local village pub with my best mate who is from Stockton and a Boro fan, we always have the same bet of a takeaway curry on the result...:)
UTV
The Doc
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I think we win this, we have some fringe players with points to prove and players coming back from injury. 0-3 away win
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Middlesbrough are, their fans think, going to play their kids, they have a semi final a few days later.
Piece of piss.
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going to watch the game in the local village pub with my best mate who is from Stockton and a Boro fan, we always have the same bet of a takeaway curry on the result...:)
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The Doc
I'll be watching with another Villa fan and a couple of Boro, mates, then on for a curry...like the idea of betting on the result for it. Not sure they will go for it though.
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going to watch the game in the local village pub with my best mate who is from Stockton and a Boro fan, we always have the same bet of a takeaway curry on the result...:)
UTV
The Doc
I'll be watching with another Villa fan and a couple of Boro, mates, then on for a curry...like the idea of betting on the result for it. Not sure they will go for it though.
yeah Darren has already asked what I would like :))
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The Doc
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I've heard that we haven't won an fa cup tie since 2016 when we beat Wycombe. That took a replay as well. Blimey.
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Since beating Wycombe Wanderers in a third-round replay in January 2016, Aston Villa have lost each of their last eight matches in the FA Cup. No side has ever lost nine in a row in the competition while playing in the top two divisions.
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Since beating Wycombe Wanderers in a third-round replay in January 2016, Aston Villa have lost each of their last eight matches in the FA Cup. No side has ever lost nine in a row in the competition while playing in the top two divisions.
Until now…
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No side has ever lost nine in a row in the competition while playing in the top two divisions.
We all know how SUE likes smashing records :-\
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
Emery “It's a way for a trophy and prestige as well, for every supporter and for the players. I will send this message in our meeting tomorrow morning.”
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Since beating Wycombe Wanderers in a third-round replay in January 2016, Aston Villa have lost each of their last eight matches in the FA Cup. No side has ever lost nine in a row in the competition while playing in the top two divisions.
Ah, the apocalypse season. Wycombe should hang their heads in shame actually for losing to us that year.
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I just hope we are demanding.
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I just hope we are demanding.
And focused. Prepared mentally, collectively and individual in our way.
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I want more connection with supporters.
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I just hope we are demanding.
And focused. Prepared mentally, collectively and individual in our way.
I saw Gerrard’s old mate Michael Beale pop up yesterday on TV as some unfortunates new manager,
He straightaway came out with the ‘best versions of themselves’ bollocks to which I said out loud ‘oh do fuck off’ without thinking
My Mrs said hey no need for that, I said sorry but you don’t understand
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I just hope we are demanding.
And focused. Prepared mentally, collectively and individual in our way.
I saw Gerrard’s old mate Michael Beale pop up yesterday on TV as some unfortunates new manager,
He straightaway came out with the ‘best versions of themselves’ bollocks to which I said out loud ‘oh do fuck off’ without thinking
My Mrs said hey no need for that, I said sorry but you don’t understand
Get her to look you in the eye and tell you she's ready to be Mrs E.
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
I would hope we go for a standard back 4 tomorrow of Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno. Give Konsa a rest.
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I just hope we are demanding.
And focused. Prepared mentally, collectively and individual in our way.
I saw Gerrard’s old mate Michael Beale pop up yesterday on TV as some unfortunates new manager,
He straightaway came out with the ‘best versions of themselves’ bollocks to which I said out loud ‘oh do fuck off’ without thinking
My Mrs said hey no need for that, I said sorry but you don’t understand
I still fucks me off no end to think we had those two cliche dropping useless bell ends as our managerial team. Wankers.
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
Emery “It's a way for a trophy and prestige as well, for every supporter and for the players. I will send this message in our meeting tomorrow morning.”
Pau being out is a bit odd isn’t it? And concerning.
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
Emery “It's a way for a trophy and prestige as well, for every supporter and for the players. I will send this message in our meeting tomorrow morning.”
Pau being out is a bit odd isn’t it? And concerning.
He was injured and probably shouldn't have been playing in the Burnley game. Emery said before it that he definitely couldn't play a full game. Either he'd aggravated whatever it was, or Emery's just not risking him and wants him fully fit for next week.
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Seemed a bit of an odd sub to make against Burnley. Hope he hasn’t had a setback.
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I'd be more concerned if this was a league match that Pau was missing.
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He didn't play much in the European games either, so it could just be more of the same from Emery in that respect.
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Did Matty Maher or Daz Hale not press him further on this? Come on lads, it helps fill your articles!
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Seemed a bit of an odd sub to make against Burnley. Hope he hasn’t had a setback.
Most likely they gave him a run out to see how it was and he ain’t 100% yet.
Sometimes you have to play to see how an injury reacts.
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
Emery “It's a way for a trophy and prestige as well, for every supporter and for the players. I will send this message in our meeting tomorrow morning.”
Pau being out is a bit odd isn’t it? And concerning.
Given Emery went on to say he'd be back for Everton, no. I'd say its a sensible move to not risk him as he's so intergral to how we play in the Prem.
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I just hope we are demanding.
And focused. Prepared mentally, collectively and individual in our way.
I saw Gerrard’s old mate Michael Beale pop up yesterday on TV as some unfortunates new manager,
He straightaway came out with the ‘best versions of themselves’ bollocks to which I said out loud ‘oh do fuck off’ without thinking
My Mrs said hey no need for that, I said sorry but you don’t understand
Get her to look you in the eye and tell you she's ready to be Mrs E.
In fairness she is a big fan of our Tyrone and she don’t like football
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
I would hope we go for a standard back 4 tomorrow of Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno. Give Konsa a rest.
Playing a high defensive line with Carlos and Lenglet is asking for trouble, as we saw at Old Trafford.
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Azaz joined Boro.
Not sure if he will be registered & available for tomorrow's game.
Carrick was talking about him being available yesterday...
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
I would hope we go for a standard back 4 tomorrow of Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno. Give Konsa a rest.
Playing a high defensive line with Carlos and Lenglet is asking for trouble, as we saw at Old Trafford.
It's only Boro, we will be fine.
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Azaz joined Boro.
Not sure if he will be registered & available for tomorrow's game.
Carrick was talking about him being available yesterday...
Azaz wasnt registered in time
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Thanks for the update... 👍
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
I would hope we go for a standard back 4 tomorrow of Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno. Give Konsa a rest.
Playing a high defensive line with Carlos and Lenglet is asking for trouble, as we saw at Old Trafford.
who says it's them two tomorrow
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
I would hope we go for a standard back 4 tomorrow of Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno. Give Konsa a rest.
Playing a high defensive line with Carlos and Lenglet is asking for trouble, as we saw at Old Trafford.
who says it's them two tomorrow
Who else would it be if Pau is out and Konsa is being rested?
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
I would hope we go for a standard back 4 tomorrow of Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno. Give Konsa a rest.
Playing a high defensive line with Carlos and Lenglet is asking for trouble, as we saw at Old Trafford.
who says it's them two tomorrow
Who else would it be if Pau is out and Konsa is being rested?
has it been confirmed Konsa is being rested ? We also have Chambers to possibly consider
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
I would hope we go for a standard back 4 tomorrow of Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno. Give Konsa a rest.
Playing a high defensive line with Carlos and Lenglet is asking for trouble, as we saw at Old Trafford.
who says it's them two tomorrow
Who else would it be if Pau is out and Konsa is being rested?
has it been confirmed Konsa is being rested ? We also have Chambers to possibly consider
If you read the posts you're replying to..... my first one said who I'd hope to see play, with Konsa being rested. TV replied to that saying Lenglet/Carlos playing a high line isn't a good idea. Hypotheticals.
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No Pau, Tielemans, Olsen tomorrow. Thankfully no Fin Azaz hat trick for them either as he didn’t sign in time. Cash likely back.
I would hope we go for a standard back 4 tomorrow of Cash, Carlos, Lenglet, Moreno. Give Konsa a rest.
Playing a high defensive line with Carlos and Lenglet is asking for trouble, as we saw at Old Trafford.
who says it's them two tomorrow
Who else would it be if Pau is out and Konsa is being rested?
has it been confirmed Konsa is being rested ? We also have Chambers to possibly consider
If you read the posts you're replying to..... my first one said who I'd hope to see play, with Konsa being rested. TV replied to that saying Lenglet/Carlos playing a high line isn't a good idea. Hypotheticals.
i hope Konsa is rested he really needs it
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We play 1 game in 15 days. Nobody needs a rest.
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It’s not as straightforward as that, it’s cumulative fatigue. I assume the club monitor this closely, but if say player x has reached the “red zone” and needs a sustained rest then actually this is the perfect opportunity to rest and try and minimise the impact on the team. It’s a balance, because we want to win, but we have to use this January period to maximise the recovery of the team.
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That's right Paul. Just because there's not many games this month, doesn't mean the rest of the season will be like that.
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Full strength please, like many have said I want to see us win The FA Cup before I die.
Just some of the clubs who’ve won it since we have - Wimbledon, Wigan, Portsmouth, Coventry fucking City!
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It’s not as straightforward as that, it’s cumulative fatigue. I assume the club monitor this closely, but if say player x has reached the “red zone” and needs a sustained rest then actually this is the perfect opportunity to rest and try and minimise the impact on the team. It’s a balance, because we want to win, but we have to use this January period to maximise the recovery of the team.
i'd say Konsa / McGinn / Luiz / Watkins are all in that "red zone"
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If we win today, i'll be delighted. If we lose, i'll be frustrated for 5 mins but then remember we have a much more important game next weekend which, if we win, might take us top of the PL.
I get the sentimentality, but like most the Villa podcasts this week have said, we simply must prioritize the PL and CL qualification because that will be a game changer in a way that winning the FA Cup will not.
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Second string side please, need to rest players for our Champions League push.
I have never and will never understand this way of thinking.
I never thought we'd be second in the league in January. Any other year I'd want us to focus on the Cup but we've a great opportunity to finish top 4, with the revenue/higher profile that Champs League football brings. At the moment, I think that's more important for our long-term progress. Put it this way, I don't think we'd be in Europe or 2nd in the league if we'd beaten Stevenage or Everton (as annoying as those cup defeats were). The other factor is that is that if we fall away to 5th or 6th place, the narrative will be that we're a decent side but not an elite one, and that we just had a temporary uptick in form (despite it lasting well over a year).
The ideal situation is that we put out a weakened team as do Broro, and we get through. Then a couple of handy draws that get us to the quarter-finals, and we can see where we're at come mid-March.
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If I am, ahem, 'in the UK', can I stream this live on iPlayer tonight?
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It’s not as straightforward as that, it’s cumulative fatigue. I assume the club monitor this closely, but if say player x has reached the “red zone” and needs a sustained rest then actually this is the perfect opportunity to rest and try and minimise the impact on the team. It’s a balance, because we want to win, but we have to use this January period to maximise the recovery of the team.
i'd say Konsa / McGinn / Luiz / Watkins are all in that "red zone"
Yeah I wouldn’t disagree, so resting in this period is really important. It’s not without risk clearly, but if we push them too far they’ll likely breakdown and be out for longer.
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It’s not as straightforward as that, it’s cumulative fatigue. I assume the club monitor this closely, but if say player x has reached the “red zone” and needs a sustained rest then actually this is the perfect opportunity to rest and try and minimise the impact on the team. It’s a balance, because we want to win, but we have to use this January period to maximise the recovery of the team.
i'd say Konsa / McGinn / Luiz / Watkins are all in that "red zone"
Yeah I wouldn’t disagree, so resting in this period is really important. It’s not without risk clearly, but if we push them too far they’ll likely breakdown and be out for longer.
It's highly unlikely Boro will go full strength
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If I am, ahem, 'in the UK', can I stream this live on iPlayer tonight?
Yep.
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The most interesting cup tie at 5.30 is a mid table Championship team vs the team 2nd in the PL that has failed to get out of round 3 for a few years. But nope, we have Chelsea at home to Preston.
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If we win today, i'll be delighted. If we lose, i'll be frustrated for 5 mins but then remember we have a much more important game next weekend which, if we win, might take us top of the PL.
I get the sentimentality, but like most the Villa podcasts this week have said, we simply must prioritize the PL and CL qualification because that will be a game changer in a way that winning the FA Cup will not.
Yes, I think I would agree that getting a Champions League spot is more beneficial long-term financially than winning the FA Cup
You’re right in saying a Champions League spot is a game changer
But I would argue that winning the FA Cup is a life changer, you’ll remember it for the rest of your life as long as you live
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The majority of favourite memories as a fan tend to be derbys or cup games. No one really mentions the league wins under Sherwood for example, but we sure as fuck will always remember the Albion and Liverpool cup games.
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That league cup QF at Albion was a great game , one of my favourites
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The majority of favourite memories as a fan tend to be derbys or cup games. No one really mentions the league wins under Sherwood for example, but we sure as fuck will always remember the Albion and Liverpool cup games.
Yes, and we remember the league cup final V Man United when we were both guests in Danny Browns little club outside Wembley
At least we knew we’d be okay if it kicked off getting out of there
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If we win today, i'll be delighted. If we lose, i'll be frustrated for 5 mins but then remember we have a much more important game next weekend which, if we win, might take us top of the PL.
I get the sentimentality, but like most the Villa podcasts this week have said, we simply must prioritize the PL and CL qualification because that will be a game changer in a way that winning the FA Cup will not.
Yes, I think I would agree that getting a Champions League spot is more beneficial long-term financially than winning the FA Cup
You’re right in saying a Champions League spot is a game changer
But I would argue that winning the FA Cup is a life changer, you’ll remember it for the rest of your life as long as you live
Is correct
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Last won the year before my birth (I like to claim that I was conceived as a result of the celebrations following our win, but neither of my folks had any interest in Football or the Villa), so - for me - it's a quest we need to fufill, and soon!
Well I was!! Mum and dad were both lifelong Villa fans.....and I was duly born in February 1958!!
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If I am, ahem, 'in the UK', can I stream this live on iPlayer tonight?
Depends. Are you in the Red Zone ?
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The most interesting cup tie at 5.30 is a mid table Championship team vs the team 2nd in the PL that has failed to get out of round 3 for a few years. But nope, we have Chelsea at home to Preston.
Villa are on BBC1? Although that might not help Toronto.
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Trophy over top 4 any day of the week
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The most interesting cup tie at 5.30 is a mid table Championship team vs the team 2nd in the PL that has failed to get out of round 3 for a few years. But nope, we have Chelsea at home to Preston.
Apparently in Canadia it's on Rodgers Sports, whatever that is.
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The most interesting cup tie at 5.30 is a mid table Championship team vs the team 2nd in the PL that has failed to get out of round 3 for a few years. But nope, we have Chelsea at home to Preston.
Apparently in Canadia it's on Rodgers Sports, whatever that is.
BC Villain might know.
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Trophy over top 4 any day of the week
Both.
FA cup, Conference league double and Top 4 would do me.