Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on December 09, 2023, 07:27:21 PM
-
A new club record. We're doing ok overall.
(https://www.alertacall.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/15-years-1200-x-630px.jpg)
-
Holy shit! Lord have mercy. It was nerve wracking at times, and the legs were gone, but we held on!
-
I feel sick. Defending a 1 goal lead for 90 minutes is not for me.
-
Ridiculous.
-
Up the fucking Villa!
-
Elated.. I love this club so much
-
Very nice. 4:30 am.
Time for a sake
-
Oh yeah! Did this one the hard way. The goal was absolute class, but we had to dig deep. You could see the Citihad game had taken a lot out of the players, but Villa Park has its own energy and carried us over the line.
-
Fuck off back to London you bunch of whiny, entitled cheating little pricks, of all of those 15 wins that one is my favourite, fuck the wankers.
-
Fucking hell. I’d have taken 2 points this week to stay unbeaten at home!
-
Fuck my old boots
-
Fuck off back to London you bunch of whiny, entitled cheating little pricks, of all of those 15 wins that one is my favourite, fuck the wankers.
😂
-
Win by one goal again.
I think that Emi may get another clean sheet so this could be another cagey 1-0.
A night to remember at VP.
We announce ourselves as serious contenders for the CL spots but also for the title.
Me and Brazilian Villan will be on here at 10pm just before MOTD starts wearing our sunglasses and smirking at another fantastic result
FTF 8)
We'll still be unbeaten when we win.
1-0 Villa.
BV get in here and put your sunglasses on 8)
-
1-0 to the Villa. It’s our new thing
-
I feel sick. Defending a 1 goal lead for 90 minutes is not for me.
We had some decent chances to score a second but we were a little off it today.
-
My word.
-
Oh. My. Fucking. God.
We're in a title race boys and girls.
What a team. What a manager.
-
Marvellous.
-
what a fuggin week!
-
Absolute piece of piss, this league.
-
In many ways this is the best win for a long time. I know we were magnificent against Man City, but this Arsenal side is better than what we face in midweek, and we fucking ground it out despite looking knackered. Ability when we need it, heart and bottle when needed.
-
I take as much joy from a clean sheet as I do a hat-trick
-
What a week.
I saw these 2 fixtures at the start of the season and thought we’d be lucky to get 1 point.
We have 6 and 2 clean sheets.
The sky is the limit guys. Merson said that we should be considered title contenders if we beat Arsenal. We just did… it might be too much, too soon, but we are where we belong everyone. Villa are back, the sleeping giant is back on its feet!
I am over the moon.
-
Aaaaaaaaaand breeeeeeeeathe
-
Well this time last season, we saw the danger in injury time, but the players were also still naïve to Emery's full methods. Not this year.
-
Very nice. 4:30 am.
Time for a sake
3:30 here, hoping to get some sleep now but it seems unlikely!
-
Oh my McGrath!!! What is this team I'm watching?? 6 points off Man City and Arse?! League had been put on notice.
-
Get în!
-
Not a fan of sweet Caroline. Other than that amazing.
-
I feel sick. Defending a 1 goal lead for 90 minutes is not for me.
We had some decent chances to score a second but we were a little off it today.
Not complaining at all, it's just hard to watch. After the result and especially the performance on Wednesday I'm not surprised we were a little tired today. Fantastic result off the back of Wednesday's game.
-
The Tv scenes after are so good!
-
Very nice. 4:30 am.
Time for a sake
Enjoy.
I've lost count of the red wine.
-
In the summer, it was Europe that excited me, now I seriously think we could win the 'boat race'
-
Wow.
-
In the summer, it was Europe that excited me, now I seriously think we could win the 'boat race'
We were debating on here what we should prioritise and which competition we thought Emery was prioritising and he's just said f**k it, we'll have both!
-
That were quite nice...
-
Thank you Villa. Thank you Unai. Terrific times
-
Not a bad few days, I suppose.
-
I’ve had worse weeks. I’ve aged 20 years, but still.
-
Fuck off back to London you bunch of whiny, entitled cheating little pricks, of all of those 15 wins that one is my favourite, fuck the wankers.
Eloquently put Paul.
-
8 points ahead of 5th, Mind the fucking gap!
-
Arguably a more impressive win than on Wednesday. Really had to dig deep for that
-
Hmmm, a well known pisstake phrase about our manager is trending on Twitter. Fuckers, hope they all get banned. Seems to be mostly Scouse fans who should know better the scumbags.
-
The team that wins the title will be the one in the top 6 teams that gets the most wins against the others.
We have now beaten Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Spurs and only lost to Newcastle and Liverpool out of the teams we would expect to be in the mix.
I wouldn't rule us out for the title. Incredible from Enery.
Hope Bailey isn't injured, he has been magnificent this season.
-
You. Fucking. Beauty.
Surrounded by Tarquin who all fucked off sharpish. The joy.
-
tears in my eyes - twice in 4 days - bloody beautiful..
loads of messages coming in from other fans and family
cant believe two clean sheets and two wins against the champions and the leasers
Diego is back too .. brilliant... I LOVE YOU VILLA Unai have my babies
-
Excellent win. Unbelievable what weve done in a year. What petulant whiny roll about dicks those Arsenal players are.
-
Fuck. Never dreamt we'd get six points out of the last two games. Rode our luck in this one but that meakes it all the sweeter as Arsenal fans have the right hump lol
-
Very nice. 4:30 am.
Time for a sake
Enjoy.
I've lost count of the red wine.
Cheers mate! It's freezing here so I'll have it hot.
Get the fuck in!
-
We were definitely gassed after about 10 minutes. I'm hoping we play the B Team midweek and give these guys a deserved rest. But, OH MY.
-
We are what we are
-
We were definitely gassed after about 10 minutes. I'm hoping we play the B Team midweek and give these guys a deserved rest. But, OH MY.
We could probably play Diaz and Digne, unless they're exhausted, they'll have next weekend off now.
-
Permission to trot out the old winning when not playing especially well is a sign of etc cliche please...
-
Permission to trot out the old winning when not playing especially well is a sign of etc cliche please...
Arsenal were banging that drum when they scraped past Luton on Tuesday.
-
I couldn't take it the pressure got to me, I went and did the washing up. The trouble with that is it only takes ten minutes. My lad is her just for the weekend, we're off down the pub now and he don't drink! Enjoy your weekend Villains.
-
We were definitely gassed after about 10 minutes. I'm hoping we play the B Team midweek and give these guys a deserved rest. But, OH MY.
We could probably play Diaz and Digne, unless they're exhausted, they'll have next weekend off now.
When did we sign Diaz?
-
Arteta was sat about a dozen feet away from us. Not happy, good, cųnt. Horrible team, horrible manager, horrible fans. Cǔnts.
We however, are fucking ace. 5 points clear of Man City, wow.
-
Fuck off back to London you bunch of whiny, entitled cheating little pricks, of all of those 15 wins that one is my favourite, fuck the wankers.
Eloquently put Paul.
The pricks thought they were better than Uncle Unai, and huge amounts of their fans completely forget what they were in the 90s and like to pretend Wenger turned them into some sort of arbiters of 'how the game should be played', of all the teams in the league they're worst for me.
Their twatty supporters on youtube sulking all weekend will be a massive, delicious cherry on top.
-
I agree. As brilliant as Wed was, that defensive performance was outstanding, and half these lads were dead on their feet. Halcyon times 😊❤️👏
-
That was such a gutsy, full of character performance. The intensity the players put into Wednesday clearly had an effect and we looked running on empty at times. Monumental effort from our lads this evening.
Special mention for Emery again, who got both the subs and the timing of them spot on
-
We were definitely gassed after about 10 minutes. I'm hoping we play the B Team midweek and give these guys a deserved rest. But, OH MY.
We could probably play Diaz and Digne, unless they're exhausted, they'll have next weekend off now.
When did we sign Diaz?
Oops. My befuddled brain has combined Dougie and Luiz there, I think.
-
It’s unbelievable just how far we have come.
-
I was ok with not winning today as I honestly thought it would be a step too far. But fuck it, and fuck them, and fuck the card happy referee, we have won 15 straight at home.
-
An added bonus is that they will be losing their shit on AFTV tonight 😂😂😂
-
Glorious - obviously a lot more shaky than our imperious performance the other night but we gritted it out. I thought Pau and DC were outstanding.
-
I was ok with not winning today as I honestly thought it would be a step too far. But fuck it, and fuck them, and fuck the card happy referee, we have won 15 straight at home.
In fairness to the ref, he made an absolutely brilliant decision with their disallowed goal. In real time that can't have been easy to see, and I don't think VAR would have overturned it if it had been given
-
I'm getting a bit misty eyed here, and it's not all down to the Vinsobres.
It's been thirty years since I've felt this optimistic about the Villa. Three decades of grudgingly accepting second best or worse, and finally, finally, I'm properly dreaming again.
Thank you Unai, you wonderful man.
-
This team is capable of every type of win.
They can smash Brighton.
They can play MC off the pitch.
They can scrape one against Arsenal.
They can come back from behind against Spurs.
-
Fuck off back to London you bunch of whiny, entitled cheating little pricks, of all of those 15 wins that one is my favourite, fuck the wankers.
Paul, you are a poet my friend. Sums up exactly as I feel as well.
-
Subs all made a strong impact - Pleased for Den, he was much more mobile than I’ve seen before.
-
For those of us who have been on this place for a good while, and been through some fucking miserable weeks and post match threads, this really feels rather brilliant doesn’t it?
-
Was there anything special done for Benjamin Zee apart from the three point tribute?
-
10 pts from the last four games, who’d have thought!😁👍
-
Just an aside. Matty Cash did well when he came on. Hope Leon is ok.
-
10 pts from the last four games, who’d have thought!😁👍
And the dropped points being at Bournemouth!
-
For those of us who have been on this place for a good while, and been through some fucking miserable weeks and post match threads, this really feels rather brilliant doesn’t it?
Absolutely TV! Makes it all the sweeter
-
I like football.
-
10 pts from the last four games, who’d have thought!😁👍
Just a shame we played Bournemouth who had turned a corner rather then a downtrodden one. Still the only team to take points off them in the last 5 matches.
-
Has anyone else noticed how Bailey has increased the use of his right foot. This is one of the reasons he is having so much success as defenders cannot read him now.
-
The goal was superb.
-
Has anyone else noticed how Bailey has increased the use of his right foot. This is one of the reasons he is having so much success as defenders cannot read him now.
Yep, he's much more confident going on the outside, makes him harder to read and means he's using his pace better as well, once he beats his man they're not getting back at him any more.
-
We were definitely gassed after about 10 minutes. I'm hoping we play the B Team midweek and give these guys a deserved rest. But, OH MY.
We could probably play Diaz and Digne, unless they're exhausted, they'll have next weekend off now.
I'd be more than happy with two completely different starting 11s Thu and Sun. We should get the point we need to top the group with the second string I would have thought
-
McGinn gives Villa huge win over Arsenal
http://www.skysports.com/share/13026909
-
We actually have a really good squad with excellent depth, and it showed tonight.
-
A very good weeks work. Onwards and upwards.
-
Scrappy at times, but that's how the best teams win titles.
Arsenal are the epitome of their manager - obnoxious, cheating, dirty and classless.
...and the ref was a humongous twat.
-
this is all a bit mental.
My heart couldn't take it when it's shit, but fucking hell this is just at difficult at times.
I'm in love.
-
It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas.
-
We did it, let's move on.
-
Absolutely brilliant, like a few on here I’ve got more satisfaction from this one than the previous game. I knew I disliked Arsenal but I positively hate them after that. Whinging and whining, feigning injuries, fouling. We looked totally knackered but what a fantastic team performance to hold on. Just brilliant
-
We were definitely gassed after about 10 minutes. I'm hoping we play the B Team midweek and give these guys a deserved rest. But, OH MY.
We could probably play Diaz and Digne, unless they're exhausted, they'll have next weekend off now.
I'd be more than happy with two completely different starting 11s Thu and Sun. We should get the point we need to top the group with the second string I would have thought
What is our 2nd string though? Most players have been involved these past 10 days.
Olsen (if fit)
Cash
Chambers
Lenglet
Moreno
Zaniolo
Ramsey
Donk
Durán
Need 2 more. I suppose Diaby has played less than some in midfield. Kamara had Bournemouth off, Dougie will have Brentford off.
-
Right, I'm off to cook my steak, and it's going to taste fucking sweet.
Happy Saturday night everyone. UTV!
-
Stunned. I’d have been happy with two points from these games, but I didn’t think we’d get them. Brilliant defending and ‘keeping today, which is part of the game. It can’t be as comfortable as beating Man City EVERY week.
-
Seems like the post-match debrief in the Arsenal dressing room has centred around a sense they should not have been beaten.
Both Martin Odegaard and Mikel Arteta have said the Gunners "didn't deserve to lose".
Neither would comment on Kai Havertz's late strike being ruled out.
Full quotes to come.
Arteta meltdown about the handball incoming then.
-
Brilliant 1989 and 1992 at the minute. Some bloody good football to match the results.
Long time coming
-
Fuck off back to London you bunch of whiny, entitled cheating little pricks, of all of those 15 wins that one is my favourite, fuck the wankers.
Eloquently put Paul.
Expect the monobrow to go full on Moanathon on his post match interview.
Scabby bunch of diving whingeing cheats - he complained recently about not being able to fully employ "the dark arts" because if VAR. Funny how he still complains about bog standard physical challenges.
You do have to applauded Arse's continuing ability to sign players made put of cardboard and glass.
Fuck each and every one of them.
-
For those of us who have been on this place for a good while, and been through some fucking miserable weeks and post match threads, this really feels rather brilliant doesn’t it?
Quite right. It’s been a rollercoaster since the M’ON days - but for those here before - even the O’Leary days. The appointments of McLeish, Gerrard, DiMatteo.
We have suffered, we witnessed the lows of relegation, the season where we only won 3 games. The near misses such as Fulham in the play off final. The confusion of trying to work out how to follow Villa matches in the Championship.
The highs of winning the play off final, surviving relegation in the last day of the season, pushing to mid table, losing Grealish and having to rebuild. The sadness and the emotion of saying goodbye to Dean Smith… the excitement of Emery.
And throughout all of this, we have been here - and many on H&V throughout this. Sharing in these moments.
This might be another summit in the rollercoaster of being a Villa fan - but it’s that humbleness that we developed throughout the last few seasons that makes this all the sweeter.
The last year has been one hell of a ride - just watching “the awakening” when people started picking up on our form as being potentially Champions League.
I don’t know where this goes, but I am going to enjoy this ride. We are back, we have suffered and it makes these moments all the sweeter.
Up the Villa!!!
-
Fuck off back to London you bunch of whiny, entitled cheating little pricks, of all of those 15 wins that one is my favourite, fuck the wankers.
Yep.
This.
And the thought of Piers Morgan throwing a tantrum on Twatter has me smiling...
-
Arteta to Sky
When asked about the controversial refereeing decisions he initially refused to comment but said he has an opinion: “I do, big opinion”.
-
For those of us who have been on this place for a good while, and been through some fucking miserable weeks and post match threads, this really feels rather brilliant doesn’t it?
Quite right. It’s been a rollercoaster since the M’ON days - but for those here before - even the O’Leary days. The appointments of McLeish, Gerrard, DiMatteo.
We have suffered, we witnessed the lows of relegation, the season where we only won 3 games. The near misses such as Fulham in the play off final. The confusion of trying to work out how to follow Villa matches in the Championship.
The highs of winning the play off final, surviving relegation in the last day of the season, pushing to mid table, losing Grealish and having to rebuild. The sadness and the emotion of saying goodbye to Dean Smith… the excitement of Emery.
And throughout all of this, we have been here - and many on H&V throughout this. Sharing in these moments.
This might be another summit in the rollercoaster of being a Villa fan - but it’s that humbleness that we developed throughout the last few seasons that makes this all the sweeter.
The last year has been one hell of a ride - just watching “the awakening” when people started picking up on our form as being potentially Champions League.
I don’t know where this goes, but I am going to enjoy this ride. We are back, we have suffered and it makes these moments all the sweeter.
Up the Villa!!!
Great post, mate.
-
The team that wins the title will be the one in the top 6 teams that gets the most wins against the others.
We have now beaten Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Spurs and only lost to Newcastle and Liverpool out of the teams we would expect to be in the mix.
I wouldn't rule us out for the title. Incredible from Enery.
Hope Bailey isn't injured, he has been magnificent this season.
The team that wins the title will be the one in the top 6 teams that gets the most wins against the others.
We have now beaten Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Spurs and only lost to Newcastle and Liverpool out of the teams we would expect to be in the mix.
I wouldn't rule us out for the title. Incredible from Enery.
Hope Bailey isn't injured, he has been magnificent this season.
The team that wins the title will be the one in the top 6 teams that gets the most wins against the others.
We have now beaten Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Spurs and only lost to Newcastle and Liverpool out of the teams we would expect to be in the mix.
I wouldn't rule us out for the title. Incredible from Enery.
Hope Bailey isn't injured, he has been magnificent this season.
Hmmm, a well known pisstake phrase about our manager is trending on Twitter. Fuckers, hope they all get banned. Seems to be mostly Scouse fans who should know better the scumbags.
Not into banning people. would rather know what they say.
-
Arteta to Sky
When asked about the controversial refereeing decisions he initially refused to comment but said he has an opinion: “I do, big opinion”.
Partly why AFTV is going to be hilarious viewing 😂
-
For those of us who have been on this place for a good while, and been through some fucking miserable weeks and post match threads, this really feels rather brilliant doesn’t it?
Quite right. It’s been a rollercoaster since the M’ON days - but for those here before - even the O’Leary days. The appointments of McLeish, Gerrard, DiMatteo.
We have suffered, we witnessed the lows of relegation, the season where we only won 3 games. The near misses such as Fulham in the play off final. The confusion of trying to work out how to follow Villa matches in the Championship.
The highs of winning the play off final, surviving relegation in the last day of the season, pushing to mid table, losing Grealish and having to rebuild. The sadness and the emotion of saying goodbye to Dean Smith… the excitement of Emery.
And throughout all of this, we have been here - and many on H&V throughout this. Sharing in these moments.
This might be another summit in the rollercoaster of being a Villa fan - but it’s that humbleness that we developed throughout the last few seasons that makes this all the sweeter.
The last year has been one hell of a ride - just watching “the awakening” when people started picking up on our form as being potentially Champions League.
I don’t know where this goes, but I am going to enjoy this ride. We are back, we have suffered and it makes these moments all the sweeter.
Up the Villa!!!
Great post, mate.
Agree. Top post-I feel exactly the same.
-
For Benjamin.
-
Heard the first 10 minutes on the radio while driving, watched all of the second half. Thought we rode our luck at times, but could have scored a second. All in all an extremely satisfying result.
-
This was a massive win, we had to dig deep, scrap and defend. That's the sign of a good team.
oh, and fuck off Arteta - can't stand the twat.
-
The games this week has reminded me of 89/90 when we played Arsenal and Man Utd at home and won both over Christmas, we did the same this week except with city rather than utd. Onwards and upwards, UTV.
-
Karma is a bitch
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA7j-ttWUAAFZ7K?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GA7j-6nW8AAuewN?format=jpg&name=medium)
-
Was there anything special done for Benjamin Zee apart from the three point tribute?
I think a 65th minute applause was intended but missed up by us ending up making 2 substitutions in the 65th minute.
-
They played that video of him before the game. BBC mentioned it and I saw a tweet from someone there with a pic of him on the big screen.
-
That was from the fans, but nothing from the club?
Edit:AV84 post noted.
-
We were done over by VAR.
Cash hand balled it first.
Douglas Luiz foul was a penalty.
Villa constantly fouled our players.
The FA hate us.
The officials are corrupt.
Arsenal Twatter this evening.
-
I’ve had worse weeks. I’ve aged 20 years, but still.
Come now, I'm sure it wasn't that stressful. At tense times do you not, like me, refresh the thread to see what PeterWithesShin has seen from his time machine? Arsenal free kick in dangerous position - no new posts - relax...
-
Arteta to Sky
When asked about the controversial refereeing decisions he initially refused to comment but said he has an opinion: “I do, big opinion”.
Fuck the fucking fucker.
-
Tony Adams being very complimentary after the game
Impressed with our Defensive line
Said, 1-0 to the Villa, big smile.
-
Arsenal fans are salty little brats after a defeat.
-
Arsenal fans are salty little brats after a defeat.
Fuck them!
-
Are we safe from relegation yet ...😁
-
SkySports highlights
-
Fuck off back to London you bunch of whiny, entitled cheating little pricks, of all of those 15 wins that one is my favourite, fuck the wankers.
Paul, you are a poet my friend. Sums up exactly as I feel as well.
Poet Laureate material- excellent
-
For those of us who have been on this place for a good while, and been through some fucking miserable weeks and post match threads, this really feels rather brilliant doesn’t it?
Quite right. It’s been a rollercoaster since the M’ON days - but for those here before - even the O’Leary days. The appointments of McLeish, Gerrard, DiMatteo.
We have suffered, we witnessed the lows of relegation, the season where we only won 3 games. The near misses such as Fulham in the play off final. The confusion of trying to work out how to follow Villa matches in the Championship.
The highs of winning the play off final, surviving relegation in the last day of the season, pushing to mid table, losing Grealish and having to rebuild. The sadness and the emotion of saying goodbye to Dean Smith… the excitement of Emery.
And throughout all of this, we have been here - and many on H&V throughout this. Sharing in these moments.
This might be another summit in the rollercoaster of being a Villa fan - but it’s that humbleness that we developed throughout the last few seasons that makes this all the sweeter.
The last year has been one hell of a ride - just watching “the awakening” when people started picking up on our form as being potentially Champions League.
I don’t know where this goes, but I am going to enjoy this ride. We are back, we have suffered and it makes these moments all the sweeter.
Up the Villa!!!
Brilliant post Chris.
There have been some dark days, but things are brilliant now. I love Villa.
-
Now if we could get Cascarino in January...
-
Are we safe from relegation yet ...😁
Mathematically, not yet I don't think. But this is the first Prem season since the O'Neill days where the thought hasn't crossed my mind.
-
Arsenal fans are salty little brats after a defeat.
They are just pricks all round tbh...
-
Are we safe from relegation yet ...😁
One game at a time. 😀
Great stuff. We looked out on our arse but what a fucking effort that was. That in some ways was more satisfying than Wednesday.
-
Now if we could get Cascarino in January...
I heard it was Sheringham we were actually after, but somehow ended up with "the other one". Casc should have buried that header vs Inter at the San Siro, still remember that to this day.
-
There's something oddly satisfying winning an ugly game playing ugly. Just pure grit second half and a big impact off the bench. Some fairly old school tackles and I thought Arsenal's forwards didn't fancy it as a result. Centre backs were excellent, Digne very good on Saka and McGinn a warrior. Rode our luck for sure a few times but we will take it.
Martinez 6 - very mixed second half, should have sent Cash & Havertz into ER when that last ball went in. Think he gets a bit ratty against Arsenal.
Konsa 4 - started ok but couldn't cope with Martinelli due to fatigue
Carlos 8 - I was ending his PL career after Bournemouth...solid out tonight
Torres 8 - very impressive with and without ball
Digne 8 - dealt with Saka really well, some turnaround this season
Kamara 4 - similar to Konsa really, barely got a kick second half until getting hooked
Luiz 6 - very quiet first half with Odegaard stuck to him. Improved a lot in second but that was an idiotic yellow for a suspension
Bailey 6 - cracking assist but didn't return from break
Tielemans 4 - couldn't get into the game at all and no surprise when he was hooked early
Watkins 5 - tried hard but very little change from Arsenal CBs
Cash, Moreno and Diaby were all very lively. Looking forward to seeing Moreno starting v Brentford. Excellent pass from Diaby to Watkins for a decent chance. Donk got stuck in but passing a big struggle...Ramsey a bit meh again but finished ok
-
Villa defense immense. Team running on fumes but showed their character in buckets. So proud of this bunch.
For the first time in years, I got a prediction right and the scorer!!! :o
Thank you Villa.
-
The Luiz challenge. Seen them given, seen them not given. Glad it was the latter.
Handball, definitive hand ball, he wouldn't have scored if he hadn't have knocked if back first, then forward second. Nketiah might have but by then it was too late.
-
Now if we could get Cascarino in January...
We do need competition for Watkins...not sure about big Cas though.
-
Arsenal can have no complaints, they were extremely lucky to be playing us with our lads all knackered. Against a fit Villa side it would have been a cricket score. Never doubted we'd see the game out even with one of the worst referees we've seen in ages.
-
Now if we could get Cascarino in January...
I heard it was Sheringham we were actually after, but somehow ended up with "the other one". Casc should have buried that header vs Inter at the San Siro, still remember that to this day.
Not sure if we were after Sheringham, but he was probably a big reason Cascarino was such a good goal scorer for Millwall at the time.
-
Thought the same. Fairly relaxed after 75 mins, thought they had lost their shape a bit and were playing hopeful passes.
-
Magnificent against Man City, Resiliant tonight.
6 points, superb. I'd have certainly taken 2 or 3 beforehand. Feels a bit like xmas 89 vs Man Utd and Arsenal.
-
Tarquins played v team with lowest squad quality in the league a day before we beat the biggest Financial Dopers since Franco.
They can fuck off.
What is Artetas opinion again on handball He seemed to be forthright at out giving it. And then not.
Billy big noises - type of fucker in old days would be bolting down the road if you and your mates happened across bother.
-
Brentford is going to be tough.
No Doug, no Digne.
-
The Luiz challenge. Seen them given, seen them not given. Glad it was the latter.
Handball, definitive hand ball, he wouldn't have scored if he hadn't have knocked if back first, then forward second. Nketiah might have but by then it was too late.
Pretty certain that Havertz kicked the top of Cash’s thigh as Cash was trying to clear the ball in the melee.
-
There's something oddly satisfying winning an ugly game playing ugly. Just pure grit second half and a big impact off the bench. Some fairly old school tackles and I thought Arsenal's forwards didn't fancy it as a result. Centre backs were excellent, Digne very good on Saka and McGinn a warrior. Rode our luck for sure a few times but we will take it.
Martinez 6 - very mixed second half, should have sent Cash & Havertz into ER when that last ball went in. Think he gets a bit ratty against Arsenal.
Konsa 4 - started ok but couldn't cope with Martinelli due to fatigue
Carlos 8 - I was ending his PL career after Bournemouth...solid out tonight
Torres 8 - very impressive with and without ball
Digne 8 - dealt with Saka really well, some turnaround this season
Kamara 4 - similar to Konsa really, barely got a kick second half until getting hooked
Luiz 6 - very quiet first half with Odegaard stuck to him. Improved a lot in second but that was an idiotic yellow for a suspension
Bailey 6 - cracking assist but didn't return from break
Tielemans 4 - couldn't get into the game at all and no surprise when he was hooked early
Watkins 5 - tried hard but very little change from Arsenal CBs
Cash, Moreno and Diaby were all very lively. Looking forward to seeing Moreno starting v Brentford. Excellent pass from Diaby to Watkins for a decent chance. Donk got stuck in but passing a big struggle...Ramsey a bit meh again but finished ok
Clown ratings
-
There's something oddly satisfying winning an ugly game playing ugly. Just pure grit second half and a big impact off the bench. Some fairly old school tackles and I thought Arsenal's forwards didn't fancy it as a result. Centre backs were excellent, Digne very good on Saka and McGinn a warrior. Rode our luck for sure a few times but we will take it.
Martinez 6 - very mixed second half, should have sent Cash & Havertz into ER when that last ball went in. Think he gets a bit ratty against Arsenal.
Konsa 4 - started ok but couldn't cope with Martinelli due to fatigue
Carlos 8 - I was ending his PL career after Bournemouth...solid out tonight
Torres 8 - very impressive with and without ball
Digne 8 - dealt with Saka really well, some turnaround this season
Kamara 4 - similar to Konsa really, barely got a kick second half until getting hooked
Luiz 6 - very quiet first half with Odegaard stuck to him. Improved a lot in second but that was an idiotic yellow for a suspension
Bailey 6 - cracking assist but didn't return from break
Tielemans 4 - couldn't get into the game at all and no surprise when he was hooked early
Watkins 5 - tried hard but very little change from Arsenal CBs
Cash, Moreno and Diaby were all very lively. Looking forward to seeing Moreno starting v Brentford. Excellent pass from Diaby to Watkins for a decent chance. Donk got stuck in but passing a big struggle...Ramsey a bit meh again but finished ok
McGinn?
-
Brentford is going to be tough.
No Doug, no Digne.
Nah fuck em. We'll shit em
-
Now if we could get Cascarino in January...
I heard it was Sheringham we were actually after, but somehow ended up with "the other one". Casc should have buried that header vs Inter at the San Siro, still remember that to this day.
Not sure if we were after Sheringham, but he was probably a big reason Cascarino was such a good goal scorer for Millwall at the time.
The definitive story - courtesy of Sir Graham. He wanted Sherringham and got knocked back. Doug said he'd have a word with Millwall chairman "my old friend" Reg Burr. He said Sheringham wasn't available but what did Sir GT think of Cascarino? Maybe worth half a million or so, was the reply. "Next thing I know he's lined up Casacarino for £1.4 million. From then on he was my signing but Doug spotted Dwight Yorke."
-
22 is the magic number.
Do that, and we're champions.
-
There's something oddly satisfying winning an ugly game playing ugly. Just pure grit second half and a big impact off the bench. Some fairly old school tackles and I thought Arsenal's forwards didn't fancy it as a result. Centre backs were excellent, Digne very good on Saka and McGinn a warrior. Rode our luck for sure a few times but we will take it.
Martinez 6 - very mixed second half, should have sent Cash & Havertz into ER when that last ball went in. Think he gets a bit ratty against Arsenal.
Konsa 4 - started ok but couldn't cope with Martinelli due to fatigue
Carlos 8 - I was ending his PL career after Bournemouth...solid out tonight
Torres 8 - very impressive with and without ball
Digne 8 - dealt with Saka really well, some turnaround this season
Kamara 4 - similar to Konsa really, barely got a kick second half until getting hooked
Luiz 6 - very quiet first half with Odegaard stuck to him. Improved a lot in second but that was an idiotic yellow for a suspension
Bailey 6 - cracking assist but didn't return from break
Tielemans 4 - couldn't get into the game at all and no surprise when he was hooked early
Watkins 5 - tried hard but very little change from Arsenal CBs
Cash, Moreno and Diaby were all very lively. Looking forward to seeing Moreno starting v Brentford. Excellent pass from Diaby to Watkins for a decent chance. Donk got stuck in but passing a big struggle...Ramsey a bit meh again but finished ok
McGinn?
8, A Villa legend, warrior to his fingertips.
-
We were done over by VAR.
Cash hand balled it first.
Douglas Luiz foul was a penalty.
Villa constantly fouled our players.
The FA hate us.
The officials are corrupt.
Arsenal Twatter this evening.
Hilarious - the most entitled bell ends ever. There were about 3 handballs that the ref could have given, only the most one eyed could make a case that it wasn’t a reasonable decision.
-
Bloody hell, superb.
-
There's something oddly satisfying winning an ugly game playing ugly. Just pure grit second half and a big impact off the bench. Some fairly old school tackles and I thought Arsenal's forwards didn't fancy it as a result. Centre backs were excellent, Digne very good on Saka and McGinn a warrior. Rode our luck for sure a few times but we will take it.
Martinez 6 - very mixed second half, should have sent Cash & Havertz into ER when that last ball went in. Think he gets a bit ratty against Arsenal.
Konsa 4 - started ok but couldn't cope with Martinelli due to fatigue
Carlos 8 - I was ending his PL career after Bournemouth...solid out tonight
Torres 8 - very impressive with and without ball
Digne 8 - dealt with Saka really well, some turnaround this season
Kamara 4 - similar to Konsa really, barely got a kick second half until getting hooked
Luiz 6 - very quiet first half with Odegaard stuck to him. Improved a lot in second but that was an idiotic yellow for a suspension
Bailey 6 - cracking assist but didn't return from break
Tielemans 4 - couldn't get into the game at all and no surprise when he was hooked early
Watkins 5 - tried hard but very little change from Arsenal CBs
Cash, Moreno and Diaby were all very lively. Looking forward to seeing Moreno starting v Brentford. Excellent pass from Diaby to Watkins for a decent chance. Donk got stuck in but passing a big struggle...Ramsey a bit meh again but finished ok
McGinn?
Dendonker?
-
Now if we could get Cascarino in January...
I heard it was Sheringham we were actually after, but somehow ended up with "the other one". Casc should have buried that header vs Inter at the San Siro, still remember that to this day.
Not sure if we were after Sheringham, but he was probably a big reason Cascarino was such a good goal scorer for Millwall at the time.
The definitive story - courtesy of Sir Graham. He wanted Sherringham and got knocked back. Doug said he'd have a word with Millwall chairman "my old friend" Reg Burr. He said Sheringham wasn't available but what did Sir GT think of Cascarino? Maybe worth half a million or so, was the reply. "Next thing I know he's lined up Casacarino for £1.4 million. From then on he was my signing but Doug spotted Dwight Yorke."
Haha, those were the days (iirc Millwall were even in the 1st division with us at the time). Time has defintitely softened my opinion of Doug, but it still frustrates me thniking about what could've been.
-
Brentford is going to be tough.
No Doug, no Digne.
I think Moreno looks ready to come back in as a starter. Not sure about Tielemans replacing Luiz but expect he will with Ramsey on left.
-
22 is the magic number.
Do that, and we're champions.
22 wins? I would say 25-26, no?
-
What a game, just fought all the way
I love the Villa
Can we do it?
-
Arteta, “Arsenal did enough to beat Aston Villa” - erm nope you didn’t, you didn’t score any goals Mikel. You need to score goals to win games.
-
22 is the magic number.
Do that, and we're champions.
22 wins? I would say 25-26, no?
22 more wins, perhaps? (Win every game remaining)
-
Apparently it’s PGMOL that’s punishing Arteta.
-
For those of us who have been on this place for a good while, and been through some fucking miserable weeks and post match threads, this really feels rather brilliant doesn’t it?
Quite right. It’s been a rollercoaster since the M’ON days - but for those here before - even the O’Leary days. The appointments of McLeish, Gerrard, DiMatteo.
We have suffered, we witnessed the lows of relegation, the season where we only won 3 games. The near misses such as Fulham in the play off final. The confusion of trying to work out how to follow Villa matches in the Championship.
The highs of winning the play off final, surviving relegation in the last day of the season, pushing to mid table, losing Grealish and having to rebuild. The sadness and the emotion of saying goodbye to Dean Smith… the excitement of Emery.
And throughout all of this, we have been here - and many on H&V throughout this. Sharing in these moments.
This might be another summit in the rollercoaster of being a Villa fan - but it’s that humbleness that we developed throughout the last few seasons that makes this all the sweeter.
The last year has been one hell of a ride - just watching “the awakening” when people started picking up on our form as being potentially Champions League.
I don’t know where this goes, but I am going to enjoy this ride. We are back, we have suffered and it makes these moments all the sweeter.
Up the Villa!!!
Great post, Chris. I've been there, and I agree with every word.
-
22 is the magic number.
Do that, and we're champions.
22 wins? I would say 25-26, no?
Yep usually has to be the high 20s.
-
Great gritty performance, Arsenal got on top of us but tbf didn’t really create much of note and Emi didn’t have too much to do.
3rd in the table and onwards to Thursday where hopefully a B team can do a job against Zrinjski.
-
One of our poorer performances but we got the job done. Incredible we've had two 1-0s against two of best teams in the league when we couldn't keep a clean sheet for toffee most of the season.
-
Arsenal might have had more chance if Saka had tried to play football rather than spending 90% of the game lying on the floor whinging for free kicks.
-
Not long been back in after being at the game earlier. Started really well and scored a great goal, but found it hard to keep the ball after that. Thought they started to really threaten in the early stages of the second half, but I thought the substitutions worked and we looked more comfortable in the closing stages even though we had a number of players who looked exhausted.
Arsenal have become a pretty unlikeable team to be honest. The way they surrounded the ref during the game reminded me of their teams from the late 80’s / early 90’s when Tony Adams used to lead a pack of them haranguing officials. Saka and Jesus spent large parts of the game rolling around on the floor as well.
-
22 is the magic number.
Do that, and we're champions.
22 wins? I would say 25-26, no?
Yep usually has to be the high 20s.
It’s going to have to be way more than 22.
-
Are we safe from relegation yet ...😁
Mathematically, not yet I don't think. But this is the first Prem season since the O'Neill days where the thought hasn't crossed my mind.
Messaging a Palace fan. I told him not to worry, because 30 points will probably be enough to stay up. But I did add in so we are safe already. And that was before the Arsenal game.
-
Apparently it’s PGMOL that’s punishing Arteta.
Serves him right.
-
Magic number means the number of further wins you need.
-
Arsenal might have had more chance if Saka had tried to play football rather than spending 90% of the game lying on the floor whinging for free kicks.
Absolutely. I imagine it’ll take the ground staff a few days to get Saka’s body prints out of the turf, the cheating little turd.
-
Just remember, 1-0 to the arsenal, they don't like it up em do they
-
22 is the magic number.
Do that, and we're champions.
22 wins? I would say 25-26, no?
22 more wins, perhaps? (Win every game remaining)
Yep. A magic number is the number of wins still needed to be guaranteed finishing top. Obviously we won't win all 22 but it's nice to have a magic number this far into the season. Our magic number has usually gone after about 4 games of the season!
-
Just watching the Manu game where they were no doubt given all terrible decisions at the temple of doom.To beat them at that place you have to be great. to beat them by 3 goals you need to have officials who are are actualy independant.
-
I’m curious how Redknapp thinks it’s a “rubbish, ridiculous” rule on the handball. In this case it helps him control the ball, which enables him to put the ball in the net.
-
I had to go out for the last 10 mins. Sounds like it's lucky I did because I probably would've shat myself.
-
I was really worried about this game thought our run would end, it turned out that although we were not at our best we dug in and defended like titans. McGinn was out of gas the second half but he showed the way for the rest to follow. Would love Solanke off Bournmouth for christmas please Santa.
-
Just seen their disallowed goal, is Arteta really having one of his toddler tantrums about this?? Havertz pretty much caught the ball!
-
Arteta, “Arsenal did enough to beat Aston Villa” - erm nope you didn’t, you didn’t score any goals Mikel. You need to score goals to win games.
It annoys me that Unai's English is criticised when other managers talk bollocks like this.
If you did enough to win, you would've won. What you're in fact saying is that you would've needed to have done more than enough to win, to win. You bitter, nonsense-spouting tart.
-
What a wonderful win!
So good to have a manager who. An change the game with substitutions. Loved seeing him conduct the crowd as well.
Good to see our lads surround the refere when they did.
Bets two wins in a week since 1990. Until today that’s the last game I’ve been serenaded all the way back to the car.
Great times and so please for all the loyal Villans! We are different and Benjamin was right we do have class!
-
Fuck off back to London you bunch of whiny, entitled cheating little pricks, of all of those 15 wins that one is my favourite, fuck the wankers.
Fucking amen brother, what a happy birthday Tuesday will be!
-
Arsenal fan saltometer is off the scale. Drink it in.
-
Just back in Water Orton after a decent win.. FTF!
-
Arteta having a Trumpton temper tantrum🤣
-
Arteta having a Trumpton temper tantrum🤣
"clear and obvious, I will say no more on the matter"
-
Probably in the wrong thread but I don’t care - next week I will be 74 and so I think I deserve to be cut a bit of slack
After the full time announcement (thanks PWS) I had a couple of glasses of Cabernet Sauvignon and reread the introduction to Simon Inglis’s “Villa Park 100 years - a great Midlands Sports Ground”
We must never, EVER, move away from VP
Thank you - and what a fantastic few days
-
Fuck Off Tarmac Head you boring ****** .
-
i work with 6 or 7 Arsenal fans in our team, not one of them has text me to say well done. Roll on Monday ******
-
Every single one of them was excellent today, including the subs.
It was a complete team effort today - as it was Wednesday.
Performances like this really bond the squad. "One for all and all for one".
Unai has got everybody's buy in to his plans. They all know what they have to do and moreover appreciate that 10 mins as a sub can be as important to the result as playing the full 90.
The guys on the bench aren't bitching and moaning about not starting, but wait, knowing that when they come on, it's for a specific reason, to play their part in fulfilling the gameplan - they come on totally committed to the cause.
-
Now if we could get Cascarino in January...
I heard it was Sheringham we were actually after, but somehow ended up with "the other one". Casc should have buried that header vs Inter at the San Siro, still remember that to this day.
Not sure if we were after Sheringham, but he was probably a big reason Cascarino was such a good goal scorer for Millwall at the time.
The definitive story - courtesy of Sir Graham. He wanted Sherringham and got knocked back. Doug said he'd have a word with Millwall chairman "my old friend" Reg Burr. He said Sheringham wasn't available but what did Sir GT think of Cascarino? Maybe worth half a million or so, was the reply. "Next thing I know he's lined up Casacarino for £1.4 million. From then on he was my signing but Doug spotted Dwight Yorke."
Only issue with that (and not saying Sir Graham was lying about his personal valuation) is that Yanited were heavily linked with Cascarino at the end of 89 and the price being touted was £2 million.
-
Arteta having a Trumpton temper tantrum🤣
"clear and obvious, I will say no more on the matter"
Maybe he was confused - I agree VAR should be for clear and obvious errors, the ref made the right call so it should have been decided much quicker.
-
i work with 6 or 7 Arsenal fans in our team, not one of them has text me to say well done. Roll on Monday ******
I always think that the best tactic in those circumstances is to say absolutely nothing at all.
-
Arteta, “Arsenal did enough to beat Aston Villa” - erm nope you didn’t, you didn’t score any goals Mikel. You need to score goals to win games.
A super ******. We absolutely did his team for speed, movement, accuracy and tenacity when we scored and then gave them 84 minutes to get an equalister. So fuck off.
-
There's something oddly satisfying winning an ugly game playing ugly. Just pure grit second half and a big impact off the bench. Some fairly old school tackles and I thought Arsenal's forwards didn't fancy it as a result. Centre backs were excellent, Digne very good on Saka and McGinn a warrior. Rode our luck for sure a few times but we will take it.
Martinez 6 - very mixed second half, should have sent Cash & Havertz into ER when that last ball went in. Think he gets a bit ratty against Arsenal.
Konsa 4 - started ok but couldn't cope with Martinelli due to fatigue
Carlos 8 - I was ending his PL career after Bournemouth...solid out tonight
Torres 8 - very impressive with and without ball
Digne 8 - dealt with Saka really well, some turnaround this season
Kamara 4 - similar to Konsa really, barely got a kick second half until getting hooked
Luiz 6 - very quiet first half with Odegaard stuck to him. Improved a lot in second but that was an idiotic yellow for a suspension
Bailey 6 - cracking assist but didn't return from break
Tielemans 4 - couldn't get into the game at all and no surprise when he was hooked early
Watkins 5 - tried hard but very little change from Arsenal CBs
Cash, Moreno and Diaby were all very lively. Looking forward to seeing Moreno starting v Brentford. Excellent pass from Diaby to Watkins for a decent chance. Donk got stuck in but passing a big struggle...Ramsey a bit meh again but finished ok
We’ve just beaten the league leaders. Nobody gets under a 6 for me.
-
Just back in Water Orton after a decent win.. FTF!
Digby now?
-
Probably aged about 10 years, but I don't care, under the circumstances that was every bit as good as Wednesday and we now have achieved something no other Villa team has done in 135 years of us playing league football, absolutely brilliant Villa and Unai and his staff.
-
Yesssss !!
15 wins
A brilliant effort from the whole squad today.
There were some misplaced passes and tiredness but the character , determination and winning mentality saw us take the win
Absolutely class!
Gosh I love this team and the manager is just a joy!!
-
Title needs to be changed to history makers v Arsenal.
-
Thin Spanish wanker.
-
this seasons DVD is going to be a blockbuster
-
this seasons DVD is going to be a blockbuster
If we win the league it will be.
-
Given the magnitude of the win against Man City and the way we won, today's win was equally remarkable.
Whilst one or two understandably started to flag in the 2nd half, it was amazing how John McGinn was able to turn in another excellent supercharged performance.
It was noticeable how we mixed up the longer ball with playing out from the back. It wasn't necessarily successful in building play or ball retention, but it kept Arsenal thinking and mitigated an increasing risk against their high pressing.
-
The Tarquins are all losing their shit over the “penalty”. Which was nothing other than two legs touching each other. Pricks.
-
Arsenal might have had more chance if Saka had tried to play football rather than spending 90% of the game lying on the floor whinging for free kicks.
He was rubbish tonight. Stunned Martinelli made way before him. Likes of Jesus and Nketiah, not sure they are good enough to make the difference for them in tight games.
-
I feel like I'm basically an advert for f365 these days, but solid headline tonight.
Aston Villa 1-0 Arsenal: 16 Conclusions on the Prem title favourites and the team they beat
-
Title odds now cut to 16/1. Just saying.
-
Sorry but gunna be the first to sing it
WERE GUNNA WIN THE LEAGUE !!
-
What happened - all I know is sjm scored after 7 mins - I was then dropped off at my works Xmas do - and had a message from my brother around 70 mins saying how are we still infringe.
Amazing result
-
Can anyone with video editing skills take his post-match moan and add a baby crying and tears coming from his eyes ?
Arteta really is a pus-filled wart on the anus of football.
-
I thought that was a pretty regulation win. We scored early and kept them at arms length thereafter, they didn’t really have a sniff.
Not watched any highlights but from my position in the holte it looked a clear handball so not sure why they took so long to confirm the refs decision and I can’t even remember a penalty claim.
-
Weird to think that Man City are better at losing than Arsenal. We did batter them, so there was no way they could complain, but Pep could have made excuses all the same. Even their fans seem to have taken it better.
-
See DW's post on Arsenal fans. As knackered as I may be, as I'm sure you understand it's been an highly emotional day, remembering his post still raises a smile.
-
Going to take a while to process that one and this week - I thought we might win one of them but never did I think we’d win both. What a week. What a team. What a manager.
-
Lovely, unbiased analysis from former Arsenal player Ian Wright on MotD.
-
With my heart I can say to Arsenal:
You've seen the Villa now fuck off home.
-
It’s exhausting watching us beat last seasons top 2
-
Great win. Arteta has no redeemable quality apart from a smug punchable face.
-
Lovely, unbiased analysis from former Arsenal player Ian Wright on MotD.
Yep. Should have been wearing an eye patch it was that one-eyed.
-
On the Lower Holte concourse after the game there were people leaving singing, cheering, olé-olé-oléing. I had hairs up on the back of my neck. On the back of Wednesday's result as well as our record-breaking winning streak at home in the league, I hope it stays special. And I hope we never come to expect it, if that makes sense.
-
And can I just say, what a bunch of whinning tossers the Arsenal players were tonight. If the Arse aren't up on an FA charge of failing to control their players in the coming week I'll be astounded.
And their kit. Trying to look worse than their old hedgehog kit?
-
I stood at the bottom of the Holte Steps after the game waiting for the others. Nearly everyone was singing, it was superb.
-
Lovely, unbiased analysis from former Arsenal player Ian Wright on MotD.
Yep. Should have been wearing an eye patch it was that one-eyed.
Come on now, he's right that the handball law is "the worst law in all laws, not just football".
Much worse than laws that make homosexuality illegal, make blasphemy punishable by death and so on.
-
Probably in the wrong thread but I don’t care - next week I will be 74 and so I think I deserve to be cut a bit of slack
After the full time announcement (thanks PWS) I had a couple of glasses of Cabernet Sauvignon and reread the introduction to Simon Inglis’s “Villa Park 100 years - a great Midlands Sports Ground”
We must never, EVER, move away from VP
Thank you - and what a fantastic few days
We were talking about this on the way home. Completely agree. The transport links are shit and all the rest, but we cannot ever move from Villa Park to some souless bowl by the NEC. The 150 years at that location is everything and what we can hold onto.
-
Arteta is a huge manchild with all the attractive qualities of an anal prolapse, the thunderbird looking wankstain.
-
What a gritty performance.
I had a feeling we'd be attacking the Holte first half, not sure if it was our decision or Arsenal turned us round but wrong move if it was their decision.
Needed a quick start, got it and then hung on as you could tell from 30 minutes in we were gassed from the emotion of beating Man. City.
Arsenal played pretty well I thought and should've had a penalty but you're always going to get those type of games in seasons.
How good it is we've beaten two CL sides in three days 1-0 but in totally different ways? I genuinely haven't seen a Villa team with this level of game management and nous in decades, last time was probably mid 90s when only Liverpool had our number for a few seasons.
Very very exciting times!
-
It was handball in pre-VAR times too - he controlled the ball with his hand at least once, and probably twice without which he wouldn't have "scored".
And without VAR, the ref called it as handball, so it would have been handball anyway.
-
Fuck my old boots
Exactly X
-
Lovely, unbiased analysis from former Arsenal player Ian Wright on MotD.
Cry more Ian
-
Oh my god.
I've witnessed history today.
After 35 years as a st holder.
15 home wins in a row.
-
Arteta is a huge manchild with all the attractive qualities of an anal prolapse, the thunderbird looking wankstain.
Can't stand watching interviews with him and Klopp. All smiles and magnanimous when they win, but then cry and moan when things don't go their way.
-
It was handball in pre-VAR times too - he controlled the ball with his hand at least once, and probably twice without which he wouldn't have "scored".
And without VAR, the ref called it as handball, so it would have been handball anyway.
Indeed - that was weird on MOTD to refer to that and segway into the Gabriel Jesus non-pen as “seen them given” with the subtext being in the VAR world. You can’t have it both ways! In any case, what law/interpretation made Odegaard place it straight in the only place Emi can save it for one shot and then skew a shot wide with the goal at his mercy? Ok Martin, maybe you would have won had you not blown both of your big chances.
-
Arteta is a huge manchild with all the attractive qualities of an anal prolapse, the thunderbird looking wankstain.
Can't stand watching interviews with him and Klopp. All.smoles and magnanimous when they win, but then cry and moan when things don't go their way.
they are like very spoilt children , absolute wankers to the core
-
I had a feeling we'd be attacking the Holte first half, not sure if it was our decision or Arsenal turned us round but wrong move if it was their decision.
Arsenal kicked off so it was our choice.
-
Lovely, unbiased analysis from former Arsenal player Ian Wright on MotD.
Yep. Should have been wearing an eye patch it was that one-eyed.
Come on now, he's right that the handball law is "the worst law in all laws, not just football".
Much worse than laws that make homosexuality illegal, make blasphemy punishable by death and so on.
Did he really say that?
-
Another brilliant win against another title contender I'm loving this I really am.
-
Probably in the wrong thread but I don’t care - next week I will be 74 and so I think I deserve to be cut a bit of slack
After the full time announcement (thanks PWS) I had a couple of glasses of Cabernet Sauvignon and reread the introduction to Simon Inglis’s “Villa Park 100 years - a great Midlands Sports Ground”
We must never, EVER, move away from VP
Thank you - and what a fantastic few days
We were talking about this on the way home. Completely agree. The transport links are shit and all the rest, but we cannot ever move from Villa Park to some souless bowl by the NEC. The 150 years at that location is everything and what we can hold onto.
I do genuinely think they'd delay knocking down the North Stand for a few more months if we make CL.
We'd be back in Europe's premier competition for first time in 40 years so why hinder things by having an empty stand behind one goal and be playing infront of just 30k when you factor in having to rope seats off and away fans?
If it's going to be an 18 month job and fully operational for start of 2026 season then I assume January-Feb is feasible if you give everyone sitting there option just to purchase half season tickets or something like that.
-
Another brilliant win against another title contender I'm loving this I really am.
If you're happy Darren, we all are. :)
-
I had a feeling we'd be attacking the Holte first half, not sure if it was our decision or Arsenal turned us round but wrong move if it was their decision.
Arsenal kicked off so it was our choice.
absolute attention to detail, attack the Holte early get the goal and deny them anything. Class
-
Win by one goal again.
I think that Emi may get another clean sheet so this could be another cagey 1-0.
A night to remember at VP.
We announce ourselves as serious contenders for the CL spots but also for the title.
Me and Brazilian Villan will be on here at 10pm just before MOTD starts wearing our sunglasses and smirking at another fantastic result
FTF 8)
We'll still be unbeaten when we win.
1-0 Villa.
BV get in here and put your sunglasses on 8)
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
I might take them off now it's midnight.
-
I had a feeling we'd be attacking the Holte first half, not sure if it was our decision or Arsenal turned us round but wrong move if it was their decision.
Arsenal kicked off so it was our choice.
It was a great decision.
After Wednesday it was always going to be a struggle to be on top in the second half and so we need to feed off the Holte from the off and hopefully get an early goal and we did.
This is where having a world class strategist in terms of Emery really pays off with analysing the small details as let's be honest none of the other managers would've noticed it as it's just tradition to attack the Holte second half whenever possible.
-
Just glad to get the win and glad I wasn't at the game, as my nerves would have been shot. We rode our luck a bit, but they were fortunate on their last visit to Villa Park so f*ck them.
-
Emery it seemed looked at this double header and developed a plan of 2 very different approaches . The bloke is an absolute genius
-
Fuck off back to London you bunch of whiny, entitled cheating little pricks, of all of those 15 wins that one is my favourite, fuck the wankers.
Ha! Nice words Paul. Fuck the wankers!
-
I couldn’t be happier beating these entitled pricks.
https://x.com/thestandsofvp/status/1733500127371776449?s=46
-
Lovely, unbiased analysis from former Arsenal player Ian Wright on MotD.
Yep. Should have been wearing an eye patch it was that one-eyed.
Come on now, he's right that the handball law is "the worst law in all laws, not just football".
Much worse than laws that make homosexuality illegal, make blasphemy punishable by death and so on.
Did he really say that?
Yes, he did.
-
Oh.
-
Lovely, unbiased analysis from former Arsenal player Ian Wright on MotD.
Yep. Should have been wearing an eye patch it was that one-eyed.
Come on now, he's right that the handball law is "the worst law in all laws, not just football".
Much worse than laws that make homosexuality illegal, make blasphemy punishable by death and so on.
Did he really say that?
Yes, he did.
and his bestie FA Cup ears agreed . Pair of wankers , fuck them
-
Just think back to the last league defeat at VP and all their bench charging across the pitch when they scored their winner…the likes of Xhaka who had been booked and subbed off already should have been sent off and banned….so they can just do one the arrogant, graceless twats.
For me this was better than Wednesday night…unlike Manchester City these came to play and did press impressively….fell over and played offside much less impressively though! Did they have a shot on target in the 2nd half?
As for Arteta, his pathetic touchline behaviour meant he had let his team down by having to sit in the stands….his team got what they deserved….zip all!
-
Arteta is a huge manchild with all the attractive qualities of an anal prolapse, the thunderbird looking wankstain.
You're too kind to him.
-
what has Arteta achieved in management other than putting the cones out for Pep
-
You could tell Arteta instructs them to dive. It was noticeable first half how much Saka managed to cope with gravity. Only Jesus fell over with any frequency. The 2nd half, crikey. What a bunch of petulant, soft, diving wankers.
They really do reflect their absolute ocean going, copper bottomed, château bottled, weapons grade, thunder ****** of a manager.
They're embarrassing. And easily bullied. We did it, as did Newcastle and they got fuck all but endless salty Arteta tears out of it.
Jesus, what a clown. Their feet gently touch. Somehow this means his standing leg flies in the air? Fuck off you sour faced twat. It's your birthday soon and you walk around like somebody has barbecued your cat.
Havetz, an absolute waste of a player who is good at...what? Being a whiny little shit it seems, traps it on his arm, so you can fuck off as well with your tarquin mates.
Shit, entitled, silent away fans. I cannot abide Arsenal. So great to grind it out and have a gritty win. We've done it both ways this week and you could see Wednesday had knackered us.
The goal was outstanding though. Patient passes until the press was breached and then bang; pace, power, tearing them open.
Felt we gave the ball away too easily and without pressure. Konsa struggled for me defensively and I'd have had Cash on at half time. Got lucky with Odegaard's miss, but they uff and puff Arsenal. Fuck em'.
Great win. What a week!
-
Arteta is a huge manchild with all the attractive qualities of an anal prolapse, the thunderbird looking wankstain.
You're too kind to him.
It's a beautiful description of a much deserved calling out of that whiny one eyed prick Arteta. I wish I had the vocabulary to give the tarmac headed c **t the two barrels he sorely deserves.
-
Arteta is a huge manchild with all the attractive qualities of an anal prolapse, the thunderbird looking wankstain.
You're too kind to him.
I'm sorry I missed the original post by Boutros, it's quite possibly the best piece of justified vitriol I've ever read on these boards.
-
Probably in the wrong thread but I don’t care - next week I will be 74 and so I think I deserve to be cut a bit of slack
After the full time announcement (thanks PWS) I had a couple of glasses of Cabernet Sauvignon and reread the introduction to Simon Inglis’s “Villa Park 100 years - a great Midlands Sports Ground”
We must never, EVER, move away from VP
Thank you - and what a fantastic few days
We were talking about this on the way home. Completely agree. The transport links are shit and all the rest, but we cannot ever move from Villa Park to some souless bowl by the NEC. The 150 years at that location is everything and what we can hold onto.
I do genuinely think they'd delay knocking down the North Stand for a few more months if we make CL.
We'd be back in Europe's premier competition for first time in 40 years so why hinder things by having an empty stand behind one goal and be playing infront of just 30k when you factor in having to rope seats off and away fans?
If it's going to be an 18 month job and fully operational for start of 2026 season then I assume January-Feb is feasible if you give everyone sitting there option just to purchase half season tickets or something like that.
I think our capacity is 36,000 without the North. In my view, we need to press on regardless. It should have been done a long time ago really. Villa Park is a special, special place and present it isn't big enough for where we are going. With inflation etc we need to just get it done asap. If we delay it again fuck knows what problems we could be looking at down the line.
-
Although on further reflection Ads has had a good go.
They're the image of their manager, it was the same with Wenger, and to be honest it was under Graham. Was watching the game from 89 in the week, and after the match Perry Groves (lol) and company were giving the lino stick for not flagging Mountfield off when about 6 players were playing him on when the cross came in.
Forever a bunch of entitled ******.
-
Although on further reflection Ads has had a good go.
They're the image of their manager, it was the same with Wenger, and to be honest it was under Graham. Was watching the game from 89 in the week, and after the match Perry Groves (lol) and company were giving the lino stick for not flagging Mountfield off when about 6 players were playing him on when the cross came in.
Forever a bunch of entitled ******.
Remember it well. I remember a big group of Villa fans had gathered in the old Witton Lane Stand behind the lino and were telling Groves and co.where to.go.
-
Tarmac Head is ruining the likes of Jesus and Saka , instructing them to dive rather than play the game
-
It was interesting sitting in the North Stand to see what they do tactically. Noticed it more after our goal, but when they lined up defensively, Zinchenko was in the left back position, but when they had the ball he moved into central midfield alongside Rice.
When they had the ball, they were in what looked to be a 3-2-4-1 formation, with almost like a square box shape in central midfield. I think that's why we found it difficult to play through central areas at times and they seemed to have an extra man in that area at times.
-
It was interesting sitting in the North Stand to see what they do tactically. Noticed it more after our goal, but when they lined up defensively, Zinchenko was in the left back position, but when they had the ball he moved into central midfield alongside Rice.
When they had the ball, they were in what looked to be a 3-2-4-1 formation, with almost like a square box shape in central midfield. I think that's why we found it difficult to play through central areas at times and they seemed to have an extra man in that area at times.
i was screaming all second half press Zinchenko. little did i know on reflection that's exactly what they wanted us to do, to open it up. trust Emery, Trust the process . It's stressful i know but i think this guy might know his onions.
-
I love, especially after last seasons game, that they celebrated a goal hard, twice tonight.
The twats.
-
I love, especially after last seasons game, that they celebrated a goal hard, twice tonight.
The twats.
Unfortunately both were called on the pitch early on so celebrations were already muted. Would have been better if both removed on VAR review for that.
-
Priceless! Another spoilt, middle class twat loses his shit...
goonergerry
4 hours ago
Rubbish -the best team lost this game. Saka was kicked off the park by Villa defenders and The referee offered no protection to Arsenals skilful players and it’s a familiar story when Arsenal play away.Villa’s Ale house players were permitted to allowed to stop Arsenal attacks by repeated over physical man and ball challenges .Are referees in England overly influenced by fans in their decision making or are they just biased in favour of over physical football ? As for VAR it’s as biased as the incompetent referees. Arsenal had a clear penalty and the disallowed goal should have stood the player did not attempt to control the ball with his hand. Arsenal have lost 2away games specifically because of VAR decisions.Is the PGMOL and the EPL bent or anti southern fans over influencing officials away from home? I doubt if those decisions would have been made against Liverpool FC or either of the Manchester sides. What’s more the bias is not allowed to be exposed or commented on- by the EPL -if anything is bringing football in England into disrepute it is the decision making of officials.-not the managers complaint about it.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/09/aston-villa-arsenal-premier-league-match-report#comment-165690461
-
that's the only semi downer on this week , we've put LiVARpool top
-
Priceless! Another spoilt, middle class twat loses his shit...
goonergerry
Not that anti-Southern bias that the UK is famous for, again?
-
Priceless! Another spoilt, middle class twat loses his shit...
goonergerry
Not that anti-Southern bias that the UK is famous for, again?
"Villa’s Ale house players were permitted to allowed to stop Arsenal attacks by repeated over physical man and ball challenges .Are referees in England overly influenced by fans in their decision making or are they just biased in favour of over physical football ?"
I'm 60 years old, and remember when players were allowed to tackle. If this prick would've seen the challenges I saw when playing sunday league through the 80s and 90s he'd have shat himself!
-
Priceless! Another spoilt, middle class twat loses his shit...
goonergerry
4 hours ago
Rubbish -the best team lost this game. Saka was kicked off the park by Villa defenders and The referee offered no protection to Arsenals skilful players and it’s a familiar story when Arsenal play away.Villa’s Ale house players were permitted to allowed to stop Arsenal attacks by repeated over physical man and ball challenges .Are referees in England overly influenced by fans in their decision making or are they just biased in favour of over physical football ? As for VAR it’s as biased as the incompetent referees. Arsenal had a clear penalty and the disallowed goal should have stood the player did not attempt to control the ball with his hand. Arsenal have lost 2away games specifically because of VAR decisions.Is the PGMOL and the EPL bent or anti southern fans over influencing officials away from home? I doubt if those decisions would have been made against Liverpool FC or either of the Manchester sides. What’s more the bias is not allowed to be exposed or commented on- by the EPL -if anything is bringing football in England into disrepute it is the decision making of officials.-not the managers complaint about it.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/09/aston-villa-arsenal-premier-league-match-report#comment-165690461
😅 I enjoyed that, thanks Coop.
I think I've said this before, but on my first day of second year at university I wore my Villa shirt. It was the beginning of the 08/09 season. The professor made a comment about it being West Ham and I smiled, said nothing. I didn't know who he supported.
Several weeks passed, I did not wear the shirt, I made no mention of football whatsoever. Nor did I wear the shirt the tutorial after we beat Arsenal 2-0 that season, and I had no intention of making any comment on the game or the result - because I still didn't know who he supported.
But as he entered the room for that tutorial, he came straight over to me and said something along the lines of "you didn't win that match. Not really. If you call that football, I feel sorry for you. We dominated and should've won - well, we did win in the eyes of any neutral, because you did not come to play football".
This was a senior professor, respected in his field, in front of a room full of students.
Strange bunch, Arsenal fans.
-
Just back in Water Orton after a decent win.. FTF!
Digby now?
Just seen this. Had a couple of cans at home which finished me off!
-
Priceless! Another spoilt, middle class twat loses his shit...
goonergerry
4 hours ago
Rubbish -the best team lost this game. Saka was kicked off the park by Villa defenders and The referee offered no protection to Arsenals skilful players and it’s a familiar story when Arsenal play away.Villa’s Ale house players were permitted to allowed to stop Arsenal attacks by repeated over physical man and ball challenges .Are referees in England overly influenced by fans in their decision making or are they just biased in favour of over physical football ? As for VAR it’s as biased as the incompetent referees. Arsenal had a clear penalty and the disallowed goal should have stood the player did not attempt to control the ball with his hand. Arsenal have lost 2away games specifically because of VAR decisions.Is the PGMOL and the EPL bent or anti southern fans over influencing officials away from home? I doubt if those decisions would have been made against Liverpool FC or either of the Manchester sides. What’s more the bias is not allowed to be exposed or commented on- by the EPL -if anything is bringing football in England into disrepute it is the decision making of officials.-not the managers complaint about it.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/09/aston-villa-arsenal-premier-league-match-report#comment-165690461
😅 I enjoyed that, thanks Coop.
You're more than welcome, sir.
-
Priceless! Another spoilt, middle class twat loses his shit...
goonergerry
4 hours ago
Rubbish -the best team lost this game. Saka was kicked off the park by Villa defenders and The referee offered no protection to Arsenals skilful players and it’s a familiar story when Arsenal play away.Villa’s Ale house players were permitted to allowed to stop Arsenal attacks by repeated over physical man and ball challenges .Are referees in England overly influenced by fans in their decision making or are they just biased in favour of over physical football ? As for VAR it’s as biased as the incompetent referees. Arsenal had a clear penalty and the disallowed goal should have stood the player did not attempt to control the ball with his hand. Arsenal have lost 2away games specifically because of VAR decisions.Is the PGMOL and the EPL bent or anti southern fans over influencing officials away from home? I doubt if those decisions would have been made against Liverpool FC or either of the Manchester sides. What’s more the bias is not allowed to be exposed or commented on- by the EPL -if anything is bringing football in England into disrepute it is the decision making of officials.-not the managers complaint about it.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/09/aston-villa-arsenal-premier-league-match-report#comment-165690461
😅 I enjoyed that, thanks Coop.
You're more than welcome, sir.
Just modified my response with a little anecdote to add yet more salt to the Arsenal shaker 🙂
-
I was surprised how complimentary Tony Adams was of Villa. He said that as an Arsenal fan he wanted them to win 4-0 and the goal at the end should have stood, but as a neutral it was the refs decision and should be accepted.
He was also very complimentary about Villa's high defensive line.
As for Arteta, what a ungracious prick. I hate Arsenal and their fans, so great to see them all crying like babies.
-
There's something oddly satisfying winning an ugly game playing ugly. Just pure grit second half and a big impact off the bench. Some fairly old school tackles and I thought Arsenal's forwards didn't fancy it as a result. Centre backs were excellent, Digne very good on Saka and McGinn a warrior. Rode our luck for sure a few times but we will take it.
Martinez 6 - very mixed second half, should have sent Cash & Havertz into ER when that last ball went in. Think he gets a bit ratty against Arsenal.
Konsa 4 - started ok but couldn't cope with Martinelli due to fatigue
Carlos 8 - I was ending his PL career after Bournemouth...solid out tonight
Torres 8 - very impressive with and without ball
Digne 8 - dealt with Saka really well, some turnaround this season
Kamara 4 - similar to Konsa really, barely got a kick second half until getting hooked
Luiz 6 - very quiet first half with Odegaard stuck to him. Improved a lot in second but that was an idiotic yellow for a suspension
Bailey 6 - cracking assist but didn't return from break
Tielemans 4 - couldn't get into the game at all and no surprise when he was hooked early
Watkins 5 - tried hard but very little change from Arsenal CBs
Cash, Moreno and Diaby were all very lively. Looking forward to seeing Moreno starting v Brentford. Excellent pass from Diaby to Watkins for a decent chance. Donk got stuck in but passing a big struggle...Ramsey a bit meh again but finished ok
Clown ratings
Honestly get fucked
-
For a while now, we have been described as a physical team by opponents and pundits, but I don't really see it, apart from a few rash tackles from Matty Cash.
I have never seen so much shirt pulling from any team than Arsenal did today. I suppose that's not physical as there is no body contact.
-
For a while now, we have been described as a physical team by opponents and pundits, but I don't really see it, apart from a few rash tackles from Matty Cash.
I have never seen so much shirt pulling from any team than Arsenal did today. I suppose that's not physical as there is no body contact.
Physical used to mean fouling but now it seems that any player engaging in a challenge is seen as physical…seeing as we took the ball off AbuDhabi 13 times in their half on Wednesday we must be one of the most physical teams :-)
Guess we could use the same way and describe Arsenal as diving cheats :-)
-
22 is the magic number.
Do that, and we're champions.
22 wins? I would say 25-26, no?
Well, in 1981 we won 61.9% of our games (26/42), so an equivalent win number this season would be 23.5. However, there tends to be a greater disparity between top and bottom of the table achievements these days, compared to 43 seasons ago, thus I think Villan82 is closer to the mark. This is a rare occasion that I don't quite agree with PWS.
-
Priceless! Another spoilt, middle class twat loses his shit...
goonergerry
4 hours ago
Rubbish -the best team lost this game. Saka was kicked off the park by Villa defenders and The referee offered no protection to Arsenals skilful players and it’s a familiar story when Arsenal play away.Villa’s Ale house players were permitted to allowed to stop Arsenal attacks by repeated over physical man and ball challenges .Are referees in England overly influenced by fans in their decision making or are they just biased in favour of over physical football ? As for VAR it’s as biased as the incompetent referees. Arsenal had a clear penalty and the disallowed goal should have stood the player did not attempt to control the ball with his hand. Arsenal have lost 2away games specifically because of VAR decisions.Is the PGMOL and the EPL bent or anti southern fans over influencing officials away from home? I doubt if those decisions would have been made against Liverpool FC or either of the Manchester sides. What’s more the bias is not allowed to be exposed or commented on- by the EPL -if anything is bringing football in England into disrepute it is the decision making of officials.-not the managers complaint about it.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/09/aston-villa-arsenal-premier-league-match-report#comment-165690461
Oh dear. They don't like it up em Pike
-
For a while now, we have been described as a physical team by opponents and pundits, but I don't really see it, apart from a few rash tackles from Matty Cash.
I have never seen so much shirt pulling from any team than Arsenal did today. I suppose that's not physical as there is no body contact.
I agree, I think we looked far less 'physical' than Arsenal today, so not sure what some people are watching.
One thing that went unmentioned was that during the scramble for their disallowed goal, Cash was subject to a couple of kicks to the body that were at least on a par with Dougie's kick on whoever it was that they wanted a penalty for.
But things like that generally bother me. When SJM put his chance wide on Wednesday, during the slow-mo I was practically shouting "that Man City bloke is groping his packet!" That kind of thing would put me off.
During school football, there was one opponent who always used to pinch. At corners or when generally competing for the ball, he'd just reach out and pinch you wherever he could. I was once sent off because he was backing into me and pinched me very, very close to my testicles, so I grabbed his wrist and wouldn't let it go for maybe 10 seconds.* Straight red for that.
I hate those kind of players, and it seems like it's coached into some of them in the PL.
*I kind of got my own back the next year when we both went to head a ball from a corner, clashed heads and he broke his eye socket. Happy days.
-
Never had a problem with Arsenal until tonight. What a bunch of crying, delusional, arrogant, entitled and downright embarrassing shower of fucking dickheads. Can't wait until the Emirates return match now. Every thing needed in professional footballers has been on display over these last two matches. Every player in a claret and blue shirt take a bow.
-
If it was 20 years ago soft twats like Martinelli, Saka and Jesus would be man handled out of the game. They are lucky they are protected to dance on ice by the ref's for Tv viewers around the world. They definitely won't win the title, man baby will get them too emotional to hold it together, like last year.
-
There's something oddly satisfying winning an ugly game playing ugly. Just pure grit second half and a big impact off the bench. Some fairly old school tackles and I thought Arsenal's forwards didn't fancy it as a result. Centre backs were excellent, Digne very good on Saka and McGinn a warrior. Rode our luck for sure a few times but we will take it.
Martinez 6 - very mixed second half, should have sent Cash & Havertz into ER when that last ball went in. Think he gets a bit ratty against Arsenal.
Konsa 4 - started ok but couldn't cope with Martinelli due to fatigue
Carlos 8 - I was ending his PL career after Bournemouth...solid out tonight
Torres 8 - very impressive with and without ball
Digne 8 - dealt with Saka really well, some turnaround this season
Kamara 4 - similar to Konsa really, barely got a kick second half until getting hooked
Luiz 6 - very quiet first half with Odegaard stuck to him. Improved a lot in second but that was an idiotic yellow for a suspension
Bailey 6 - cracking assist but didn't return from break
Tielemans 4 - couldn't get into the game at all and no surprise when he was hooked early
Watkins 5 - tried hard but very little change from Arsenal CBs
Cash, Moreno and Diaby were all very lively. Looking forward to seeing Moreno starting v Brentford. Excellent pass from Diaby to Watkins for a decent chance. Donk got stuck in but passing a big struggle...Ramsey a bit meh again but finished ok
Clown ratings
Honestly get fucked
There's absolutely no need for that.
-
Yusss, Dave W's on night duty.
Davey, give us a 👋, Davey Davey, give us a 👋
-
And I should warn that, just as with the Holte, there will reach a point when you're too late and we will have to boo you.
-
Dave, please, we want to love you. I will await your response.
-
For a while now, we have been described as a physical team by opponents and pundits, but I don't really see it, apart from a few rash tackles from Matty Cash.
I have never seen so much shirt pulling from any team than Arsenal did today. I suppose that's not physical as there is no body contact.
I agree, I think we looked far less 'physical' than Arsenal today, so not sure what some people are watching.
One thing that went unmentioned was that during the scramble for their disallowed goal, Cash was subject to a couple of kicks to the body that were at least on a par with Dougie's kick on whoever it was that they wanted a penalty for.
But things like that generally bother me. When SJM put his chance wide on Wednesday, during the slow-mo I was practically shouting "that Man City bloke is groping his packet!" That kind of thing would put me off.
During school football, there was one opponent who always used to pinch. At corners or when generally competing for the ball, he'd just reach out and pinch you wherever he could. I was once sent off because he was backing into me and pinched me very, very close to my testicles, so I grabbed his wrist and wouldn't let it go for maybe 10 seconds.* Straight red for that.
I hate those kind of players, and it seems like it's coached into some of them in the PL.
*I kind of got my own back the next year when we both went to head a ball from a corner, clashed heads and he broke his eye socket. Happy days.
That's weird. When SJM pu that chance wideon Wednesday, somebody shouted out, "he's got him by the balls!". The dog wasn't best pleased; he ran into the room and emitted a low growl until everyone had calmed down.
Have you noticed the amount of chest poking that goes on nowadays? I'm talking straight handed shot arm jabs. Usually during corners and free kicks.
Finally, I don't think our new tactic of piling everybody on the goal line when we have a corner will enamour us to referees.
-
From my part of the world this was the worst kick off time (1.30 am) but once again it was worth it.
I wasn't able to get back to sleep after the game finished so starting to feel a bit wrecked as it's midday now.
I'm not even thinking of CL football for next season as you play football to win things.
We are definitely in a title race.
This week has shown that SUE knows how to approach each game differently depending on the opponent and circumstances to get the right result.
It's what top teams do.
An interesting stat is that when we just stayed up in 2019/20 we had only 35 points.
This season we have 35 points from only 16 games!
What a time to be a Villa fan.
UTV
-
I hear your pain, PerthV. Done a fair share of 1 or 2am kickoffs also, but this was a positively luxurious 6.30am.
But then again I wouldn’t trade a week like this for a whole season of normal kickoff times!
This one was more gritty than pretty, but no surprise a bit of tiredness there after that monumental midweek effort. Special kudos to every single one of you lucky enough to be in the ground – that wall of noise shook through the speakers down here in the colonies, and you could feel it willing and dragging our lads over the line.
Mrs Antipode generally refuses to watch, but she could tell it was special - didn’t even argue when i proposed an impromptu champagne breakfast at 8.30🥳🥂
-
Arsenal might have had more chance if Saka had tried to play football rather than spending 90% of the game lying on the floor whinging for free kicks.
Absolutely. I imagine it’ll take the ground staff a few days to get Saka’s body prints out of the turf, the cheating little turd.
What a ****** he is.
I've never liked him. Never will.
-
I hear your pain, PerthV. Done a fair share of 1 or 2am kickoffs also, but this was a positively luxurious 6.30am.
But then again I wouldn’t trade a week like this for a whole season of normal kickoff times!
This one was more gritty than pretty, but no surprise a bit of tiredness there after that monumental midweek effort. Special kudos to every single one of you lucky enough to be in the ground – that wall of noise shook through the speakers down here in the colonies, and you could feel it willing and dragging our lads over the line.
Mrs Antipode generally refuses to watch, but she could tell it was special - didn’t even argue when i proposed an impromptu champagne breakfast at 8.30🥳🥂
It was a great time for us in NZ (for once). Where are you in NZ my friend? I'm in Lincoln near Christchurch.
-
I hear your pain, PerthV. Done a fair share of 1 or 2am kickoffs also, but this was a positively luxurious 6.30am.
🍻 Early time-zone crew, assemble! :D
-
I hear your pain, PerthV. Done a fair share of 1 or 2am kickoffs also, but this was a positively luxurious 6.30am.
🍻 Early time-zone crew, assemble! :D
Totally agree mate.
-
Just woke up from a hazy boozy celebratory night thinking did we just win that double header and announce ourselves to the world?
I still haven’t come down from the evisceration of the moneybags when our team, manager and fans unite to spring a result again.
An arse doesn’t exist where they thought they weren’t robbed. Ha!
I’m especially pleased for SUE after the rage he felt after their last visit here and there was no way they were leaving with the points.
Saka and Hey-sous are effectively worms the amount of times they wriggled on the floor.
All reference to a big six has been flushed down the toilet and the scripted narrative these pundits and commentators spout when asked if Villa are title contenders and reply with a non answer means they look like twats.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if it were spuds or bar codes in our position the wankfest would be immeasurable.
I can only give every player a solid 10 for both matches - everyone played their part.
I’m going to VP for a Christmas shop, might volunteer to mop the away end with the tears they must have dropped.
One final thing, I watched an arse v villa preview podcast with the arse deluded:
We’re going to win because we were the last team to win at VP.
—Weve won our last FOURTEEN.
Our away form is really good.
—You scraped past Luton and any decent side eg barcodes you lost.
We have the best midfield.
—So why do you covet Luiz and SJM is the best midfielder in the country on current form.
Extremely satisfying to win!
-
Arguably not at our best but I trust these players. When Unai makes a sub, be it at half-time or on 52 minutes like yesterday, I don't question it, such is the trust and faith in this manager and squad. Everyone of them does their bit, Duran seems to have buried the hatchet too and does a fair job when he comes on. Dendonker struggled a bit, and we need an upgrade as a replacement for Kamara, when he's subbed, but what a great squad. Brilliant.
-
You could tell Arteta instructs them to dive. It was noticeable first half how much Saka managed to cope with gravity. Only Jesus fell over with any frequency. The 2nd half, crikey. What a bunch of petulant, soft, diving wankers.
They really do reflect their absolute ocean going, copper bottomed, château bottled, weapons grade, thunder ****** of a manager.
They're embarrassing. And easily bullied. We did it, as did Newcastle and they got fuck all but endless salty Arteta tears out of it.
Jesus, what a clown. Their feet gently touch. Somehow this means his standing leg flies in the air? Fuck off you sour faced twat. It's your birthday soon and you walk around like somebody has barbecued your cat.
Havetz, an absolute waste of a player who is good at...what? Being a whiny little shit it seems, traps it on his arm, so you can fuck off as well with your tarquin mates.
Shit, entitled, silent away fans. I cannot abide Arsenal. So great to grind it out and have a gritty win. We've done it both ways this week and you could see Wednesday had knackered us.
The goal was outstanding though. Patient passes until the press was breached and then bang; pace, power, tearing them open.
Felt we gave the ball away too easily and without pressure. Konsa struggled for me defensively and I'd have had Cash on at half time. Got lucky with Odegaard's miss, but they uff and puff Arsenal. Fuck em'.
Great win. What a week!
Post of the day !
-
Some thoughts the day after;
- First ten minutes we where as dominant and impressive as against city - what happened after might have been down to somme exhaustion but well so much that we switched to defend a lead
- after all we did defend a lead very good - they didnt have that much opportunities for goal and not really clear cuts - not more than us on theirs goal - though they had the ball it was mostly in the middle of the pitch.
- they got frustrated to say it mildly - how they spoke after game dosent reflect good on them (already good covered on here)
- Bailey have won us two goals and two games now - he really is impressive when he gets going and hie play is going his way
- SJM - what a player to have - can turn play and games - must be best value for money in PL history
- Whats wrong with Diaby - didnt look eager to move and run some of the time (might be me as havent seen anybody else mentioning that)
-
All the commentary is about us being dominated and Arse not deserving to lose, but I didn't think they did much to be honest. It was a bit scrappy, but it's not like they were racking up chance after chance. They only had a couple that I can remember.
-
Well, I've had some time to process it, and here is my considered, thoughtful, sophiisticated analysis:
we fucking fucked them.
-
Fuckin’ brilliant result! Under the cosh for a lot of the game, but Arsenal are a bloody good team and we still beat them.
The sky is the limit for this Villa team under Emery, and I’m fuckin’ loving it!
-
I will never tired of reading comments form salty opposition fans that begin "We shouldn't have lost to Villa because..."
For too long we've been on the other side of that. Nice performances, that earned zero points because we came up against a more ruthless professional, well-drilled outfit. Well, now we've got one of our own. We absolutely dominated on Wednesday, and yesterday we had to dig in and defend the advantage we earned by being better in the first 20 mins. I would prefer more of the former, but I'll happily take 20 of the latter every single season.
Rest a few in Zrinjski and win next Sunday and things could look VERY tasty indeed - Arsenal play Brighton and Liverpool play Man Utd next weekend. It seems almost surreal that I'm looking at the fixtures of the teams challenging for the title to see if we have a chance to go above them. Long may it continue!
-
All the commentary is about us being dominated and Arse not deserving to lose, but I didn't think they did much to be honest. It was a bit scrappy, but it's not like they were racking up chance after chance. They only had a couple that I can remember.
They did have a couple of very good chances, notably the two missed by Odegaard (one missed wide, one saved and held by Emi), but they didn't take them. It happens. On another day they might, and Ollie might have put his 1-on-1 away (which was called offside after he missed but would have stood on VAR as the replay showed he was onside). But it's not like they peppered the goal or Emi was man of the match. That honour went to our defence who were generally superb.
If we played at their place like that, and lost, I'd be disappointed too, but that's football. And until they change the rules to start giving goals for chances created, they will have plenty more disappointing days I think.
-
We played the better football at Newcastle and lost 5-1, thems the breaks.
-
I wouldn't even fly out Emi, Konza, Watkins etc to Zrinjski, let them rest up at home. Top 4 has never been more achievable.
-
I wouldn't even fly out Emi, Konza, Watkins etc to Zrinjski, let them rest up at home. Top 4 has never been more achievable.
Me either, a complete 11 change for me.
-
I wouldn't even fly out Emi, Konza, Watkins etc to Zrinjski, let them rest up at home. Top 4 has never been more achievable.
Still need to finish top of the group to avoid euro games in February, so need to play the long game here. As Dougie and Digne suspended for next Sunday, I’d play them in Bosnia, along with Cash, Diaby, Tielamans, so a sprinkling of first teamers
-
I don’t see what the argument about the handball is, it touched his arm two or three times and the ref gave it.
-
The whole move for the goal here.
https://x.com/BeardOfTheMatch/status/1733758556803907839?s=20
So much to like in that.
-
OK slightly more analysis:
A completely different 1-0, and that's great! Our defensive structure is now so brilliant. As McGinn said, they had a lot of the ball but not a lot of chances, and that's down to that midblock thing that Guardiola mentioned, and that looks such a nightmare to play against, you can't go over the top and you can't progress easily to the 18 yard line, what the fuck do you do? Emery's a literal, actual genius.
Another thing: McGinn's post-match interview, maintaining the self-criticism, even saying he didn't hit the shot cleanly for the goal. Now that's standards, that's being demanding. I absolutely love all of these guys.
-
I wouldn't even fly out Emi, Konza, Watkins etc to Zrinjski, let them rest up at home. Top 4 has never been more achievable.
Still need to finish top of the group to avoid euro games in February, so need to play the long game here. As Dougie and Digne suspended for next Sunday, I’d play them in Bosnia, along with Cash, Diaby, Tielamans, so a sprinkling of first teamers
Yeah, if Bailey's chip against Lehia Warsaw had gone a few inches lower we could have had the group wrapped up and sent the youth team out to Bosnia.
It looked like some of them desperately need a rest yesterday and it's time for others in the squad to step up now. We could still field a side of:
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Lenglet
Moreno
Zaniolo
Luiz
Dendincker
Ramsey
Diaby
Duran
We might need Martinez so I would play him and Luiz is suspended for next weekend, though he could potentially have a rest as well.
-
They don't like it up em.What a horrible whinging cheating team Arsenal are. I think both teams reflected their respective managers ,one hardworking built on team work the other contesting every refereeing decision but still diving and play acting to gain fouls and bookings in their favour. Special mention for the cheating pricks Jesus and Saka and Odegaard taking trying to referee the game to Gerardesque levels.
The one Arsenal player that did impress me was Declan Rice. In the 2nd half he drove forward and made a two quick blocks/tackles. He turned around to try a gee up his team mates into action. Well Villa didn't let them and to me that's why Arsenal wont win the title. I am not saying we will , but we haven't got that soft underbelly them cheats have.
-
Arsenal fans - what a bunch of dicks! I try not to think too much about the F.A.Cup Final, but I've always had a low opinion of them since then. Imagine leaving early at a cup final, the arrogant twats. Fuck em!
-
The whole move for the goal here.
https://x.com/BeardOfTheMatch/status/1733758556803907839?s=20
So much to like in that.
Everyone but Digne had a touch.
-
I thought Spurs fans were bad but Arsenal fans are on another level.
-
One thing, I think yesterday showed that we really do need another forward. I thought Ollie was very quiet, whether that's because he's tired or they just marked him very well I don't know, but his first touch was a bit off all night. An option to bring on would have been very welcome.
-
One thing, I think yesterday showed that we really do need another forward. I thought Ollie was very quiet, whether that's because he's tired or they just marked him very well I don't know, but his first touch was a bit off all night. An option to bring on would have been very welcome.
Same against Citeh, touch at least. Was off most of the night then as well even if he did get chances. I expect tiredness as it was noticeable he has been caught offside a few more times recently as well.
-
Its interesting as supporters we see things differently, so I thought Watkins was excellent in really difficult circumstances. Firstly i think Saliba and Gabriel are excellent defenders but Watkins worked and never gave them any peace. Secondly i thought the wind had an impact, it was the same for both teams, but tended to go a bit more direct than them and thought a lot was asked of Ollie.
I don’t think we’ll buy another out an out striker in January, maybe another wide forward like Bailey and Diaby perhaps at a push.
-
Watkins was up against two of the best centre halves in the league in the last two games. His role is not only to “get a touch and shoot” but to create space for others. He does that because he drags their very good centre halves away from areas we want to be in. How much space did McGinn have yesterday in front of goal? Enough to turn, take a touch and thump it into the net. Bailey could run at the heart of the ci£eh defence partly because Watkins was pulling away, again creating space.
I thought he played a big part in the wins both yesterday and Wednesday.
-
Watkins was up against two of the best centre halves in the league in the last two games. His role is not only to “get a touch and shoot” but to create space for others. He does that because he drags their very good centre halves away from areas we want to be in. How much space did McGinn have yesterday in front of goal? Enough to turn, take a touch and thump it into the net. Bailey could run at the heart of the ci£eh defence partly because Watkins was pulling away, again creating space.
I thought he played a big part in the wins both yesterday and Wednesday.
Completely agree
-
Any news on how Bailey is?
-
This squad we have not only have quality but a will to win that I’ve not seen for a very long time. Led by a fantastic coach of the highest calibre who doesn’t scream and shout at officials and as a man, is a class act. Ridiculed at Arsenal for not being good enough and also for his accent by both their fans and their luvvies in the media.
They’ve now got a man in charge who jumps around like a child, blames officials for everything including the bloody weather and could only dream to be the man that Emery is.
Their support is the same, moaning,whinging and over excitable with absolutely no class.
What you’ll hear on TV today is how the goal should’ve stood even though the rule, like it or not, means it had to be disallowed.
They won’t say anything about their diving and rolling around, that Saka spent most of his time on the floor and that they were constantly chasing the ref around, something which I thought was being stamped out. They won’t mention that they had an extra days rest or that our goal was superb or that this Aston Villa squad, to a man, are a proper football team.
Give me our coach and our support any day of the week and keep letting the media focus on their favourite clubs. As the late, great Benjamin Zephaniah said “we have class”.
UTV
-
Arsenal fans - what a bunch of dicks! I try not to think too much about the F.A.Cup Final, but I've always had a low opinion of them since then. Imagine leaving early at a cup final, the arrogant twats. Fuck em!
Coming out of Wembley we were walking with a couple of Arsenal and congratulated them on their win. I asked why they were not watching their team receive the Cup and one replied "I am going to a barbeque". Yes, fuck 'em
-
All the commentary is about us being dominated and Arse not deserving to lose, but I didn't think they did much to be honest. It was a bit scrappy, but it's not like they were racking up chance after chance. They only had a couple that I can remember.
They had way more possession than us, I think it was like 61% to our 39%, they had a couple more shots than us, but the on target number was the same. So they definitely had more of the ball but in terms of what matters they didn't dominate us.
-
We allowed them more of the ball, the press started at the 1/2 way line unlike Wednesday when it was the edge of City’s box.
-
One thing, I think yesterday showed that we really do need another forward. I thought Ollie was very quiet, whether that's because he's tired or they just marked him very well I don't know, but his first touch was a bit off all night. An option to bring on would have been very welcome.
He was up against a very decent player in Saliba, he did get that one chance 2nd half which the keeper spilled , Diaby if he'd been awake might have followed up on that
-
What these myopic Gooners on ATV need to realise is that to win a football match, you have to legitimately put the ball in the opposition onion bag.
We did and they spurned all their chances and had penalty and no goal decisions correctly ruled against them.
In summary, fuck off Arsenal.
-
Has Diaby gone off the boil a bit? He was on fire at the start of the season but as we have got better as a team he has faded a bit
-
One thing, I think yesterday showed that we really do need another forward. I thought Ollie was very quiet, whether that's because he's tired or they just marked him very well I don't know, but his first touch was a bit off all night. An option to bring on would have been very welcome.
He was up against a very decent player in Saliba, he did get that one chance 2nd half which the keeper spilled , Diaby if he'd been awake might have followed up on that
Yeah I didn't think he got much change out of Saliba really. The ref allowed Saliba to be all over Watkins all game though so it was tough going for him, as Saliba is a unit.
-
We allowed them more of the ball, the press started at the 1/2 way line unlike Wednesday when it was the edge of City’s box.
there's no way we could have pressed again like we did v Ci$y , the players were exhausted
-
Watched the little highlights video the club put on YouTube and noticed a couple things I missed yesterday.
Torres gets involved with some mild argy bargy with Havertz and a couple of other Arsenal players, good to see him holding his ground.
Emery is whipping up the crowd just after the handball goal isn't given. I don't think I've ever seen him interact with the crowd like that while the game is still being played.
And then a nice little group hug between Martinez, Carlos, Moreno, and Torres right at the end. Lovely stuff.
-
Has Diaby gone off the boil a bit? He was on fire at the start of the season but as we have got better as a team he has faded a bit
Definitely , again yesterday that one run into the box and instead of taking the player on he checks back and gets it all wrong. Think he's just taking time to settle . His pace is electric though
-
Emery orchestrates the crowd - gesturing to be calm when we are getting agitated and yesterday trying to whip things up when the decisions were going against us. We are part of the plan and have to play our part too, which I think we've done in both games this week.
-
One thing, I think yesterday showed that we really do need another forward. I thought Ollie was very quiet, whether that's because he's tired or they just marked him very well I don't know, but his first touch was a bit off all night. An option to bring on would have been very welcome.
He was up against a very decent player in Saliba, he did get that one chance 2nd half which the keeper spilled , Diaby if he'd been awake might have followed up on that
Yeah I didn't think he got much change out of Saliba really. The ref allowed Saliba to be all over Watkins all game though so it was tough going for him, as Saliba is a unit.
He’s had a tough couple of games, playing against arguably the two best centre halves in the league in Saliba and Diaz. He’s done well, but it would have been good to have someone else who could take over and not just a raw talent like Duran.
-
Apologies if I'm repeating anything posted previously, but I've just noticed that Digne was the only player that didn't get a touch in the build-up to the goal. Fantastic stuff. Fantasy stuff, even.
-
His passing last night was awful, only a 40% completion rate. I think I'd rest him for Thursday, he looks knackered.
-
His passing last night was awful, only a 40% completion rate. I think I'd rest him for Thursday, he looks knackered.
Is that Watkins?
-
His passing last night was awful, only a 40% completion rate. I think I'd rest him for Thursday, he looks knackered.
Watkins? Yeah, his touch can go if he tires. He still does all that great physical and intelligent work off the ball, he'll always do that, but his second-half shot was the shot of a tired Ollie.
-
His passing last night was awful, only a 40% completion rate. I think I'd rest him for Thursday, he looks knackered.
Watkins? Yeah, his touch can go if he tires. He still does all that great physical and intelligent work off the ball, he'll always do that, but his second-half shot was the shot of a tired Ollie.
It should definitely be Duran on Thursday.
-
His passing last night was awful, only a 40% completion rate. I think I'd rest him for Thursday, he looks knackered.
Is that Watkins?
Yes, Ollie. I'm not criticising him because he's run his nuts off, but he needs a break.
-
His passing last night was awful, only a 40% completion rate. I think I'd rest him for Thursday, he looks knackered.
Is that Watkins?
Yes, Ollie. I'm not criticising him because he's run his nuts off, but he needs a break.
Absolutely Risso, week of light training and no trip to Bosnia would do him the world of good. He can then rip into his old club next Sunday.
-
Risso, you can always be relied on to find something you aren’t happy with even after a superb win.
-
Risso, you can always be relied on to find something you aren’t happy with even after a superb win.
It’s called having standards and never settling for second best.
-
(https://i.ibb.co/4tgkxxD/PXL-20231210-105637736.jpg)
Morning Tarquins! Have a drink and cry watching Tarquin TV.
-
Risso, you can always be relied on to find something you aren’t happy with even after a superb win.
It’s called having standards and never settling for second best.
Yeah you should've heard McGinn's post-match interview, he was having a go at his own goal!
-
Risso, you can always be relied on to find something you aren’t happy with even after a superb win.
It’s called having standards and never settling for second best.
Tedious more like, a constant whine after every game and yes that includes after pretty much every win.
-
Risso, you can always be relied on to find something you aren’t happy with even after a superb win.
Jesus christ, I said I wasn't criticising him, and he needs a rest. Do you disagree?
-
Risso, you can always be relied on to find something you aren’t happy with even after a superb win.
It’s called having standards and never settling for second best.
Tedious more like, a constant whine after every game and yes that includes after pretty much every win.
I wasn't whining about anything, unlike you. I said our striker needs a rest, he does.
Edit: exactly the same as you said about Tielemans.
-
Apologies if I'm repeating anything posted previously, but I've just noticed that Digne was the only player that didn't get a touch in the build-up to the goal. Fantastic stuff. Fantasy stuff, even.
Interesting observation, what a man to have in charge, passion but still cool head.
-
Risso, you can always be relied on to find something you aren’t happy with even after a superb win.
It’s called having standards and never settling for second best.
Which is the kind of mindset we will need if we want to continue operating at the level we currently are.
-
His passing last night was awful, only a 40% completion rate. I think I'd rest him for Thursday, he looks knackered.
Is that Watkins?
Yes, Ollie. I'm not criticising him because he's run his nuts off, but he needs a break.
Id agree with resting him and Bailey for that matter. Hopefully Diaby and Duran will be enough to see us win the group.
-
Was there anything special done for Benjamin Zee apart from the three point tribute?
I thought the tribute was very well done, classy but understated. A video of him doing the piece on the Albion game, then a BW photo of him then morphing into a black Villa badge and his DOB/DOD.
All accompanied by applause (by both sets of fans to their credit) and renditions of HEITS. Very moving.
-
One thing, I think yesterday showed that we really do need another forward. I thought Ollie was very quiet, whether that's because he's tired or they just marked him very well I don't know, but his first touch was a bit off all night. An option to bring on would have been very welcome.
Ollie just look knackered. Let's not forget that he was 50/50 for the Bournemouth game and has subsequently played three times in a week. Saliba is also very good, maybe the best non-Villa centre half in the league.
But this was one of the most pleasing aspects about yesterday. The players we rely on most were dead on their feet. Konsa and Kamara were both visibly exhausted, Watkins and Luiz out of steam. Meatball's energy levels are freakish but even he looked spent when he got into their box a couple of times second half.
So we needed others. Pau and Carlos were immense and the former didn't stop talking. Dendoncker too, yes he gave the ball away a couple of times but he did loads of unseen work patrolling across the width of the pitch when they were trying to build out from the halfway line to plug gaps. That they only managed one legitimate effort on goal in the last half hour is testament to that. Cash and Moreno both gave us a needed burst of energy. It was a great way to win and will give them loads of confidence.
Fair fucks and if my first born was birthed now, he/she would be getting named 'Unai'.
-
What an incredible few days. Two very different performances but ultimately the same outcomes. I thought Man City were fragile and undercooked but Arsenal pressed us high and stuck to us like limpets. Yet, we beat them both.
So many outstanding performances that it is almost unfair to single out individuals. Such a collective expression of desire, concentration and sheer talent.
Someone mentioned earlier about not becoming entitled as you see elsewhere. I agree with that but also let's enjoy every last drop of this extraordinary ride.
-
Risso, you can always be relied on to find something you aren’t happy with even after a superb win.
It’s called having standards and never settling for second best.
Yeah you should've heard McGinn's post-match interview, he was having a go at his own goal!
Aye. I could have struck the ball more cleanly.
The Emery effect.
-
We're so lucky to have Ramsey and Moreno coming back to fitness now, that could be massive in the coming weeks. In fact, other than Trossard and maybe Jorginho, I thought our bench was a fair bit better than Arsenal's last night.
-
His passing last night was awful, only a 40% completion rate. I think I'd rest him for Thursday, he looks knackered.
He was been hounded by, Saliba, possible the best centre back in the world at the moment so I think he did well.
-
(https://i.ibb.co/4tgkxxD/PXL-20231210-105637736.jpg)
Morning Tarquins! Have a drink and cry watching Tarquin TV.
Surely that label should read Tarquin's McGinn. I'm not clever enough to amend it. :(
-
His passing last night was awful, only a 40% completion rate. I think I'd rest him for Thursday, he looks knackered.
He was been hounded by, Saliba, possible the best centre back in the world at the moment so I think he did well.
he's decent but he's not the best CB in the world LOL
-
Apologies if I'm repeating anything posted previously, but I've just noticed that Digne was the only player that didn't get a touch in the build-up to the goal. Fantastic stuff. Fantasy stuff, even.
Interesting observation, what a man to have in charge, passion but still cool head.
I counted twelve passes starting from Emi to SJM.
-
Has Diaby gone off the boil a bit? He was on fire at the start of the season but as we have got better as a team he has faded a bit
No, Mousa is fine. He's been rightly not selected ahead of Leon. My be the intensity of PL caught up with him a little bit but he is class.
-
Important not to get carried away, but it's incredible to think there could be 3,000 Villa fans in the away end at Palace on the last day, and only a handful will be able to see us lift the trophy.
-
Important not to get carried away, but it's incredible to think there could be 3,000 Villa fans in the away end at Palace on the last day, and only a handful will be able to see us lift the trophy.
Unless we have it wrapped long before then so they can present it at VP against Liverpool!
-
Important not to get carried away, but it's incredible to think there could be 3,000 Villa fans in the away end at Palace on the last day, and only a handful will be able to see us lift the trophy.
Unless we have it wrapped long before then so they can present it at VP against Liverpool!
Or it comes down to us vs them, winner takes all. (We win, obviously)
-
Bailey has gone up a level. If we add more £50m level players like Diaby, one or two more might increase in levels too. Which would be scary, for everybody else.
OK, fuck it, I'll say it. If we want to win the league (ha, imagine?!) I think another forward who can play all across the line, a Moreno type at right back and a younger more mobile replacement for the Donk.
-
Risso, you can always be relied on to find something you aren’t happy with even after a superb win.
Similar to our manager...
-
Risso isn't moaning, he's just posting while touching the area below his ear and demanding more and more, while connecting with us, the supporters of H&V.
-
I thought Watkins was quiet on Wednesday as well so he's probably not 100% fit. Save him for the Brentford game.
-
Bailey has gone up a level. If we add more £50m level players like Diaby, one or two more might increase in levels too. Which would be scary, for everybody else.
OK, fuck it, I'll say it. If we want to win the league (ha, imagine?!) I think another forward who can play all across the line, a Moreno type at right back and a younger more mobile replacement for the Donk.
Indeed, strengthen from a position, of well, strength.
-
Probably in the wrong thread but I don’t care - next week I will be 74 and so I think I deserve to be cut a bit of slack
After the full time announcement (thanks PWS) I had a couple of glasses of Cabernet Sauvignon and reread the introduction to Simon Inglis’s “Villa Park 100 years - a great Midlands Sports Ground”
We must never, EVER, move away from VP
Thank you - and what a fantastic few days
We were talking about this on the way home. Completely agree. The transport links are shit and all the rest, but we cannot ever move from Villa Park to some souless bowl by the NEC. The 150 years at that location is everything and what we can hold onto.
I do genuinely think they'd delay knocking down the North Stand for a few more months if we make CL.
We'd be back in Europe's premier competition for first time in 40 years so why hinder things by having an empty stand behind one goal and be playing infront of just 30k when you factor in having to rope seats off and away fans?
If it's going to be an 18 month job and fully operational for start of 2026 season then I assume January-Feb is feasible if you give everyone sitting there option just to purchase half season tickets or something like that.
I think our capacity is 36,000 without the North. In my view, we need to press on regardless. It should have been done a long time ago really. Villa Park is a special, special place and present it isn't big enough for where we are going. With inflation etc we need to just get it done asap. If we delay it again fuck knows what problems we could be looking at down the line.
Lockdown was the ideal time given we had 18 months without fans in but of course we could've easily been relegated in that period, infact it was looking far more likely than not.
We'd still have to give european fans the same allocation as we've been doing in europa and of course the front 3-4 rows of Holte and North Stand are sealed off for the bigger advertising hoardings so it would be a significantly reduced capacity.
The goal obviously is to get it ready for Euro 2028 so we do have decent amount of time for that.
-
We're so lucky to have Ramsey and Moreno coming back to fitness now, that could be massive in the coming weeks. In fact, other than Trossard and maybe Jorginho, I thought our bench was a fair bit better than Arsenal's last night.
With Cash, Moreno and Ramsey coming on we had a real injection of energy and pace at a critical time of the game. They were just starting to exert some pressure, but once we made the substitutions I thought we dealt with them.
We probably need am option in central midfield to cone on and contine pressing in the closing stages.
-
I thought Watkins was quiet on Wednesday as well so he's probably not 100% fit. Save him for the Brentford game.
Exactly. He’s run himself into the ground and we need him at his sharpest.
-
We're so lucky to have Ramsey and Moreno coming back to fitness now, that could be massive in the coming weeks. In fact, other than Trossard and maybe Jorginho, I thought our bench was a fair bit better than Arsenal's last night.
With Cash, Moreno and Ramsey coming on we had a real injection of energy and pace at a critical time of the game. They were just starting to exert some pressure, but once we made the substitutions I thought we dealt with them.
We probably need am option in central midfield to cone on and contine pressing in the closing stages.
I thought Cash looked excellent when he came on, got all round the pitch and tidied up nicely. Probably crippled another couple of Spurs players and made their fans cry too.
-
All the commentary is about us being dominated and Arse not deserving to lose, but I didn't think they did much to be honest. It was a bit scrappy, but it's not like they were racking up chance after chance. They only had a couple that I can remember.
What they don't see is that despite them being allegedly "dominant", which translates to us 'not being at our 100% beautiful best', we didn't need to be at our best to beat them relatively comfortably.
So imagine what we could do to them with our full healthy squad playing to our limit.
If we had the same level of performance against Arsenal as we did against ManC, we would have thrashed them.
Obviously, the reality of exhaustion, match fitness, game management, injuries, etc, means that we did what we had to do to beat them, but we have a lot more gears than what we showed yesterday & the fact that we didn't need to push ourselves into those gears should be a concern to any non entitled arrogant imbecile Gooner fan about their own performance.
But Arsenal fans aren't exactly known for their rational self reflection...
-
We're so lucky to have Ramsey and Moreno coming back to fitness now, that could be massive in the coming weeks. In fact, other than Trossard and maybe Jorginho, I thought our bench was a fair bit better than Arsenal's last night.
With Cash, Moreno and Ramsey coming on we had a real injection of energy and pace at a critical time of the game. They were just starting to exert some pressure, but once we made the substitutions I thought we dealt with them.
We probably need am option in central midfield to cone on and contine pressing in the closing stages.
I thought Cash looked excellent when he came on, got all round the pitch and tidied up nicely. Probably crippled another couple of Spurs players and made their fans cry too.
Not for me he nearly gave up a goal. Missed the header V Havertz , lost balance , fell over and if goal was given Cashy was culpable
-
Player loses his balance. How dare he.
-
I thought Cash was great when he came on too.
-
We're so lucky to have Ramsey and Moreno coming back to fitness now, that could be massive in the coming weeks. In fact, other than Trossard and maybe Jorginho, I thought our bench was a fair bit better than Arsenal's last night.
With Cash, Moreno and Ramsey coming on we had a real injection of energy and pace at a critical time of the game. They were just starting to exert some pressure, but once we made the substitutions I thought we dealt with them.
We probably need am option in central midfield to cone on and contine pressing in the closing stages.
I thought Cash looked excellent when he came on, got all round the pitch and tidied up nicely. Probably crippled another couple of Spurs players and made their fans cry too.
Not for me he nearly gave up a goal. Missed the header V Havertz , lost balance , fell over and if goal was given Cashy was culpable
Was he not fouled?
-
We're so lucky to have Ramsey and Moreno coming back to fitness now, that could be massive in the coming weeks. In fact, other than Trossard and maybe Jorginho, I thought our bench was a fair bit better than Arsenal's last night.
With Cash, Moreno and Ramsey coming on we had a real injection of energy and pace at a critical time of the game. They were just starting to exert some pressure, but once we made the substitutions I thought we dealt with them.
We probably need am option in central midfield to cone on and contine pressing in the closing stages.
I thought Cash looked excellent when he came on, got all round the pitch and tidied up nicely. Probably crippled another couple of Spurs players and made their fans cry too.
Not for me he nearly gave up a goal. Missed the header V Havertz , lost balance , fell over and if goal was given Cashy was culpable
You don’t rate Cash and its blinded your judgement here
-
Haven't seen much of that kind of chat to be honest. Most of the stuff I've seen has been about them having a lot of the ball but not really creating a lot, and that we defended brilliantly. Tony Adams said that, despite Arsenal losing, he 'loved' the performance, and Phil Neville said it was the best performance he's seen all year - which tells you something about how he thinks about football, but defensively speaking he's not far off.
-
We're so lucky to have Ramsey and Moreno coming back to fitness now, that could be massive in the coming weeks. In fact, other than Trossard and maybe Jorginho, I thought our bench was a fair bit better than Arsenal's last night.
With Cash, Moreno and Ramsey coming on we had a real injection of energy and pace at a critical time of the game. They were just starting to exert some pressure, but once we made the substitutions I thought we dealt with them.
We probably need am option in central midfield to cone on and contine pressing in the closing stages.
I thought Cash looked excellent when he came on, got all round the pitch and tidied up nicely. Probably crippled another couple of Spurs players and made their fans cry too.
Not for me he nearly gave up a goal. Missed the header V Havertz , lost balance , fell over and if goal was given Cashy was culpable
Was he not fouled?
His nipples were strafed by studs. Diabolical outrage by the cowardly Tarquins.
-
Player loses his balance. How dare he.
Emery and his coaches teach positional play to the players.
If they stand appropriately, they are less likely to lose their balance.
-
Player loses his balance. How dare he.
Emery and his coaches teach positional play to the players.
If they stand appropriately, they are less likely to lose their balance.
Ridiculous.
-
(https://i.ibb.co/L1hMDn1/Ea0-Ce-2-XQAYc62-D.png) (https://ibb.co/L1hMDn1)
-
Quick big up for Dendonker when he came on . Helped steady the ship and at one point went through 2 Arsenal players to make a bad pass received look good
-
https://twitter.com/DaBeardedGooner/status/1733569673541595332
-
Cash buttoned up their left. Excellent when he came on and made Trossard (IIRC) cry.
-
Cash buttoned up their left. Excellent when he came on and made Trossard (IIRC) cry.
There were some ludicrous posh New York trust fund prick lads in the pub yesterday who were Arsenal 'fans'. They were whining that Cash should've been sent off for that. When the goal was ruled out they looked so sad, I was cackling.
-
Still trying to get my head round the fact that there were only two different players in the starting eleven that weren’t here under Gerrard…..his stock must be at an all time low
-
Still trying to get my head round the fact that there were only two different players in the starting eleven that weren’t here under Gerrard…..his stock must be at an all time low
It's not Stevie's fault, we don't have players good enough to be in the top 10...
-
Jesus but they're an unhinged group of fans.
The narrative seems to be that they outplayed us and created a million chances compared to our 1, and yet they're also having emotional and mental breakdowns about that 1 goal being disallowed as if it was the defining moment of the game.
I mentioned it already but the fact Man City fans seem to be a better sort then the Arsenal fans is a surprise to me. You could understand them being entitled overdramatic little whinge bags given how much they have won lately, but Arsenal are the biggest bunch of alsorans of the last decade.
-
It looked like handball in real time. It definitely hit Havertz arm first. I couldn't believe how much time was wasted over it. I absolutely love that salty little lego haired ****** spaffing tears everywhere over it, the petulant little prick. "Daddy, daddy, daddy, the rules are being applied to us and its not fair". Fuck off Arteta.
-
It's not something I'm used to saying, but look at how much more dignity the Spurs manager has. The contrast between Ange and Arteta is in HD.
-
I was on the bus back and a bloke was reading out Arteta’s post match comments for us to laugh at. I sat there thinking “what penalty shout?” Then when I saw it later on motd I couldn’t believe Ian Wright with a straight face saying he thought it was a penalty.
That would have been softer than the marshmallow man’s bed pillows.
-
i'm finding myself glancing at the table every 20 mins or so. They should hang it in the Louvre
-
In days of yore Arsenal were the classic 50,000 one game, 20,000 the next club, even when they were successful under George Graham. Then two things became fashionable - football and North London. Throw in Arsene Wenger and you have a stadium full of hipster twats with no conception of real football, the emotions and injustices, of success and failure because they've never experienced any of it.
-
I think the online element of any fandom (sport or otherwise) exhibits the worst of behaviour and reactionary attitudes. What's disconcerting to see is that kind of behaviour spilling over into the managers and players. It just validates the worst of the fans and their opinions and encourages them to get even worse.
I'll admit these past 2 games I've gone looking for reactions where I don't usually care about anything other than the result. But with the Arsenal one I haven't had to look very hard because it's coming from the club itself. It's a really bad look, I think, but one they seem happy to encourage.
-
My take on the Havertz incident FWIW. The ball struck his hand/arm and the referee was perfectly placed, knew the current interpretation of the handball law and applied it to perfection and I would guess blew his whistle immediately, those fans close to it may confirm if I'm right about that or not. Anything else that ensued belongs in the realms of pinball wizardry and is irrelevant.
-
My take on the Havertz incident FWIW. The ball struck his hand/arm and the referee was perfectly placed, knew the current interpretation of the handball law and applied it to perfection and I would guess blew his whistle immediately, those fans close to it may confirm if I'm right about that or not. Anything else that ensued belongs in the realms of pinball wizardry and is irrelevant.
It looked like most of the players, us and them, had little or no reaction when the ball went in the net, so it did seem like they knew something had happened.
-
Why did the ref appear to speak to both captains before restarting play?
Was he explaining the law?
I see Lineker has now apologised he got it wrong!
-
It looked like handball in real time. It definitely hit Havertz arm first. I couldn't believe how much time was wasted over it. I absolutely love that salty little lego haired ****** spaffing tears everywhere over it, the petulant little prick. "Daddy, daddy, daddy, the rules are being applied to us and its not fair". Fuck off Arteta.
Shouldn’t even have gone to VAR. This was the perfect example of how watching the 2D screen image does not match the view the referee has - from our seat in the Lower Holte it clearly hit Havertz arm at least twice, so it was never going to be a goal. The big worry was that someone sat 100 miles away would try to find any excuse possible to award a penalty, but thankfully this time there was nothing there.
-
I do think it's a weird rule that if an attacker accidently handles the ball when scoring the goal is automatically ruled out, but if the defender accidently handles then there's no penalty. And that is in general rather than to do with yesterday.
-
Haven't seen much of that kind of chat to be honest. Most of the stuff I've seen has been about them having a lot of the ball but not really creating a lot, and that we defended brilliantly. Tony Adams said that, despite Arsenal losing, he 'loved' the performance, and Phil Neville said it was the best performance he's seen all year - which tells you something about how he thinks about football, but defensively speaking he's not far off.
It really was a defending masterclass. Having played Legia, a trip to Bournemouth and Man City in a week and all three games requiring 90+ minutes full effort, it was no real surprise we weren't at our best yesterday. Or put another way, if we'd played Arsenal instead of Man City on Wednesday we'd have smashed them. Yesterday was simply one game too many yet we still managed to get the three points. The defence were magnificent and even on that rare occasion you manage to beat them there's still Emi Martinez to get past.
-
I do think it's a weird rule that if an attacker accidently handles the ball when scoring the goal is automatically ruled out, but if the defender accidently handles then there's no penalty. And that is in general rather than to do with yesterday.
They did have it with defenders doing it equals penalty, but removed that rule because it went against some of the top 6 it led to attackers deliberately trying to play the ball of defenders arms. If the ref had decided Havertz had accidently handled it, but Nketiah had put the ball in, the goal would have stood as 'accidental' is only for the goal scorer, not the other attacker who didn't score. That was part of the reason why it wasn't called handball in the Newcastle / Arsenal game they also complain about, and are probably using to complain about this one about as well.
-
I haven't seen mentioned but 'Nev' from H&V was in imperious form yesterday in the Upper Holte. He was like a teenager, out of his seat most of the game, pitch perfect renditions of all the old favourites and a masterful manic swirling of his cap to encourage the rest of us to get behind those in claret and blue. Uni would be proud...
-
I’m knackered after the last 2 games.
God knows how the players must be feeling.
-
There was one moment yesterday where someone, can't recall who, played a pass towards Torres that didn't have enough legs on it.
Not only did he sprint forward and get to it first, he played an inch-perfect first-time pass out to Diaby on the wing.
He's top drawer.
-
Having digested the 3 points and our position in the table, I'm now seriously enjoying how fucking MENTAL the Arsenal fanbase is. ArsenalMania is in complete meltdown over a correct decision.
I've always enjoyed turning them over, but this one is extra, extra special.
-
There was one moment yesterday where someone, can't recall who, played a pass towards Torres that didn't have enough legs on it.
Not only did he sprint forward and get to it first, he played an inch-perfect first-time pass out to Diaby on the wing.
He's top drawer.
I thought he was our best player yesterday but he’s been brilliant for ages now. I don’t really think Ive seen a defender like him, his passing is just outrageously good.
-
What is the vlog that has the four or five blokes sitting around ranting about how the world and hs dog is against Arsenal? I'll bet that is funny if it still exists.
-
There was one moment yesterday where someone, can't recall who, played a pass towards Torres that didn't have enough legs on it.
There were more than a few passes like that yesterday, a clear sign the lads were knackered. What they lacked in technique they made up with pure grit and determination. Arsenal sent their full strength team and still couldn't get a result. Let them cry.
-
Zani didn’t play a minute in the last 2 games.
-
What is the vlog that has the four or five blokes sitting around ranting about how the world and hs dog is against Arsenal? I'll bet that is funny if it still exists.
Arsenal Fan TV . Chaired by a fat bloke surrounded by gammons
-
What is the vlog that has the four or five blokes sitting around ranting about how the world and hs dog is against Arsenal? I'll bet that is funny if it still exists.
Arsenal Fan TV . Chaired by a fat bloke surrounded by gammons
Ta. Going in for a peep now.
-
I do think it's a weird rule that if an attacker accidently handles the ball when scoring the goal is automatically ruled out, but if the defender accidently handles then there's no penalty. And that is in general rather than to do with yesterday.
They did have it with defenders doing it equals penalty, but removed that rule because it went against some of the top 6 it led to attackers deliberately trying to play the ball of defenders arms. If the ref had decided Havertz had accidently handled it, but Nketiah had put the ball in, the goal would have stood as 'accidental' is only for the goal scorer, not the other attacker who didn't score. That was part of the reason why it wasn't called handball in the Newcastle / Arsenal game they also complain about, and are probably using to complain about this one about as well.
OK I might not have this right but I thought it worked the same both ways. An accidental handball won’t be given as a handball unless it directly affects the scoring of a goal.
So an accidental handball by an attacker leading directly to a goal (like yesterday) is handball & an accidental handball by a defending player which directly stopped the ball going in the net would be given as handball (penalty).
My worry yesterday was that they could have said that Havertz first ‘accidental’ handball was not a directly leading to the goal, and that Cash’s ‘accidental’ handball did directly stop the ball going in. & that could have led to a penalty.
I actually think both of these are accidental not leading to goal, but Havertz 2nd ‘accidental’ handball does direct the ball straight to his foot where he can put it in the net - disallowed.
-
There was one moment yesterday where someone, can't recall who, played a pass towards Torres that didn't have enough legs on it.
Not only did he sprint forward and get to it first, he played an inch-perfect first-time pass out to Diaby on the wing.
He's top drawer.
I thought he was our best player yesterday but he’s been brilliant for ages now. I don’t really think Ive seen a defender like him, his passing is just outrageously good.
Me too, he's become a real leader in the team as well, always talking and organising things. There are many central defenders that you look at and think that if need be he could become a top drawer box2box midfielder..
-
I was on the bus back and a bloke was reading out Arteta’s post match comments for us to laugh at. I sat there thinking “what penalty shout?” Then when I saw it later on motd I couldn’t believe Ian Wright with a straight face saying he thought it was a penalty.
That would have been softer than the marshmallow man’s bed pillows.
Same mate, not seen anything on the TV and can’t remember a penalty shout and the handball looked obvious to me.
-
There was one moment yesterday where someone, can't recall who, played a pass towards Torres that didn't have enough legs on it.
Not only did he sprint forward and get to it first, he played an inch-perfect first-time pass out to Diaby on the wing.
He's top drawer.
I thought he was our best player yesterday but he’s been brilliant for ages now. I don’t really think Ive seen a defender like him, his passing is just outrageously good.
Me too, he's become a real leader in the team as well, always talking and organising things. There are many central defenders that you look at and think that if need be he could become a top drawer box2box midfielder..
Tweeting about how special Villa Park is too. He's a good'un.
-
There was one moment yesterday where someone, can't recall who, played a pass towards Torres that didn't have enough legs on it.
Not only did he sprint forward and get to it first, he played an inch-perfect first-time pass out to Diaby on the wing.
He's top drawer.
I thought he was our best player yesterday but he’s been brilliant for ages now. I don’t really think Ive seen a defender like him, his passing is just outrageously good.
Me too, he's become a real leader in the team as well, always talking and organising things. There are many central defenders that you look at and think that if need be he could become a top drawer box2box midfielder..
Tweeting about how special Villa Park is too. He's a good'un.
Mentioned this earlier, but that build up for the goal, looks like he's about to pass sideways to Martinez, then turns and effortlessly swats one over a couple of Arsenal players to Ollie instead. Just brilliant to watch, such a cultured player, his passing is superb.
-
He's just posted this on Instagram too:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBAPjiJWIAAS-77?format=jpg&name=large)
-
A happy former manager.
https://twitter.com/villaparkpod/status/1733607363611889734?s=19
-
One of us.
-
Risso, you can always be relied on to find something you aren’t happy with even after a superb win.
It’s called having standards and never settling for second best.
Tedious more like, a constant whine after every game and yes that includes after pretty much every win.
I wasn't whining about anything, unlike you. I said our striker needs a rest, he does.
Edit: exactly the same as you said about Tielemans.
Arnie voice “stop whining”! 😂
-
There was one moment yesterday where someone, can't recall who, played a pass towards Torres that didn't have enough legs on it.
Not only did he sprint forward and get to it first, he played an inch-perfect first-time pass out to Diaby on the wing.
He's top drawer.
I thought he was our best player yesterday but he’s been brilliant for ages now. I don’t really think Ive seen a defender like him, his passing is just outrageously good.
Me too, he's become a real leader in the team as well, always talking and organising things. There are many central defenders that you look at and think that if need be he could become a top drawer box2box midfielder..
Tweeting about how special Villa Park is too. He's a good'un.
Mentioned this earlier, but that build up for the goal, looks like he's about to pass sideways to Martinez, then turns and effortlessly swats one over a couple of Arsenal players to Ollie instead. Just brilliant to watch, such a cultured player, his passing is superb.
There was a moment in the Man City game that was sheer class. They broke down their left and put a cross into our box which was quite crowded. Rather than just head it clear, he brought it down in his chest and played it into midfield.
-
And I thought Spurs fans were whiney little girls, Christ this lot go on and on and on and on.
-
This is from The Athletic and should shut the whingeing Tarquins up
EXPLAINED: WHY HANDBALL WAS GIVEN AGAINST KAI HAVERTZ AND NOT MATTY CASH DURING ASTON VILLA v ARSENAL
Aston Villa continued their flawless win streak at home on Saturday, achieving another major scalp as they defeated Arsenal 1-0 in the Premier League fixture.
Villa took an early lead when John McGinn finished a flowing move, however, the visitors thought they had levelled the scoreline late in the game through Kai Havertz — only for it to be ruled out for handball.
Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta — who was serving a touchline ban and has been charged by the FA for criticising officials earlier this season — said he “preferred not to comment” when asked about the situation after the match.
But why did the incident create confusion and what are the reasons for the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) upholding the on-field official Jarred Gillett’s handball decision? The Athletic explains a pivotal moment from the intriguing affair…
WHAT HAPPENED?
In the 89th minute, Havertz brought down a cross from Martin Odegaard in the Aston Villa penalty area. The ball pinballed between him and Villa defender Matty Cash, appearing to hit both players on their arms, before the Germany international stabbed a volley past goalkeeper Emi Martinez.
As Havertz began celebrating, he was immediately pulled back as Gillett had blown the whistle for a handball on the 24-year-old.
Replays showed that the ball struck Cash’s shoulder before ricocheting off Havertz’s right arm. And after a lengthy review, which lasted several minutes, the VAR confirmed Gillett’s decision.
WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY?
Handball is a subjective law of the game and is the only one that uses the term “deliberate”, which leaves it up to the referee’s interpretation.
Law 12 of the International Football Association Board’s (IFAB) ‘Rules of the Game’ outlines three scenarios in which a handball can be given.
The rules state, “It is an offence if a player:
• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
• touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
• scores in the opponents’ goal:
directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.”
So, in summary, there are three ways it can be handball: 1) deliberate 2) by making your body bigger, and 3) if you are in the act of scoring a goal.
HOW WAS THE LAW APPLIED IN THIS CASE?
Due to Havertz and Cash’s proximity in the incident, and the speed at which the ball was moving, it is unlikely that either handball fulfilled the first criteria of being “deliberate”.
Secondly, neither player appeared to make their body “unnaturally bigger”. Cash had his right arm by his side and was falling when the ball hit his right shoulder. Similarly, Havertz’s body was swivelling as he attempted to control and make a connection with the ball when it ricocheted off Cash and struck the Arsenal midfielder’s arm.
However, because Havertz was in the act of scoring a goal his handling of the ball — even if accidental — was deemed an offence. As he wasn’t in the process of scoring a goal, Cash’s accidental handling of the ball was not.
-
This is from The Athletic and should shut the whingeing Tarquins up
EXPLAINED: WHY HANDBALL WAS GIVEN AGAINST KAI HAVERTZ AND NOT MATTY CASH DURING ASTON VILLA v ARSENAL
Aston Villa continued their flawless win streak at home on Saturday, achieving another major scalp as they defeated Arsenal 1-0 in the Premier League fixture.
Villa took an early lead when John McGinn finished a flowing move, however, the visitors thought they had levelled the scoreline late in the game through Kai Havertz — only for it to be ruled out for handball.
Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta — who was serving a touchline ban and has been charged by the FA for criticising officials earlier this season — said he “preferred not to comment” when asked about the situation after the match.
But why did the incident create confusion and what are the reasons for the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) upholding the on-field official Jarred Gillett’s handball decision? The Athletic explains a pivotal moment from the intriguing affair…
WHAT HAPPENED?
In the 89th minute, Havertz brought down a cross from Martin Odegaard in the Aston Villa penalty area. The ball pinballed between him and Villa defender Matty Cash, appearing to hit both players on their arms, before the Germany international stabbed a volley past goalkeeper Emi Martinez.
As Havertz began celebrating, he was immediately pulled back as Gillett had blown the whistle for a handball on the 24-year-old.
Replays showed that the ball struck Cash’s shoulder before ricocheting off Havertz’s right arm. And after a lengthy review, which lasted several minutes, the VAR confirmed Gillett’s decision.
WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY?
Handball is a subjective law of the game and is the only one that uses the term “deliberate”, which leaves it up to the referee’s interpretation.
Law 12 of the International Football Association Board’s (IFAB) ‘Rules of the Game’ outlines three scenarios in which a handball can be given.
The rules state, “It is an offence if a player:
• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
• touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
• scores in the opponents’ goal:
directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.”
So, in summary, there are three ways it can be handball: 1) deliberate 2) by making your body bigger, and 3) if you are in the act of scoring a goal.
HOW WAS THE LAW APPLIED IN THIS CASE?
Due to Havertz and Cash’s proximity in the incident, and the speed at which the ball was moving, it is unlikely that either handball fulfilled the first criteria of being “deliberate”.
Secondly, neither player appeared to make their body “unnaturally bigger”. Cash had his right arm by his side and was falling when the ball hit his right shoulder. Similarly, Havertz’s body was swivelling as he attempted to control and make a connection with the ball when it ricocheted off Cash and struck the Arsenal midfielder’s arm.
However, because Havertz was in the act of scoring a goal his handling of the ball — even if accidental — was deemed an offence. As he wasn’t in the process of scoring a goal, Cash’s accidental handling of the ball was not.
It's a nonsense rule, mind (in the act of scoring a goal) if it's in the act of laying on a tap in then it's fine? That Bournemouth forward was robbed of a goal at the weekend by the same rule.
Between Cash and particularly Martinez that cross should have been dealt with a lot better. Fortunate to get away with it. It was at a time when Arsenal had ran out of ideas so would have been sickening to drop two points in the circumstances.
-
However, because Havertz was in the act of scoring a goal his handling of the ball — even if accidental — was deemed an offence. As he wasn’t in the process of scoring a goal, Cash’s accidental handling of the ball was not.
Although shouldn't the Athletic have led with "the shoulder is not part of the body that is used for handball shouts but the arm is, so the only person who committed handball was Havertz"?.
-
Wednesday has to be taken into consideration when looking at our performance Saturday. The players looked gassed very early and you can’t blame them at all. But they dug deep and more importantly, followed the plan the manager set out. In a way, it was a more impressive performance because we beat those moaning tw*ts without playing particularly well. That is the big takeaway for me and it’s the reason why we’re legitimate title contenders.
-
It’s too early to say we are legitimate title contenders.
We are still a couple of players and months away from that.
-
It’s too early to say we are legitimate title contenders.
We are still a couple of players and months away from that.
Not for me. We’re contenders.
-
We're title contenders. Whether we stay as one is another matter.
-
Well when it's all said and done they may as well accept that big clubs always get decisions in their favour. Tough shit Greenwich.
-
What is the vlog that has the four or five blokes sitting around ranting about how the world and hs dog is against Arsenal? I'll bet that is funny if it still exists.
I think they are in here somewhere...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi2PYNrSWVA (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi2PYNrSWVA)
-
I'm off to bed early. A great weekend was had. Marvellous to have seen 1-0 to the Villa for the 15th win.
-
What these myopic Gooners on ATV need to realise is that to win a football match, you have to legitimately put the ball in the opposition onion bag.
We did and they spurned all their chances and had penalty and no goal decisions correctly ruled against them.
In summary, fuck off Arsenal.
Or even give it a chance to go in said onion bag by hitting the target even once in the 2nd half….they got exactly what they deserved from the game the diving pitch invading arseholes
-
I just want to add; this nonsense from Arsenal fans about us being over physical, it was Havertz that went out to deliberately hurt someone with that challenge at the end of Martinez. He went to leave one on him.
-
I just want to add; this nonsense from Arsenal fans about us being over physical, it was Havertz that went out to deliberately hurt someone with that challenge at the end of Martinez. He went to leave one on him.
Indeed, and we’re hardly known for being rough.
The reality is it’s a physical game. Deal with it.
-
I just want to add; this nonsense from Arsenal fans about us being over physical, it was Havertz that went out to deliberately hurt someone with that challenge at the end of Martinez. He went to leave one on him.
Indeed, and we’re hardly known for being rough.
How dare you. Bentancur's body still isn't cold.
-
I just want to add; this nonsense from Arsenal fans about us being over physical, it was Havertz that went out to deliberately hurt someone with that challenge at the end of Martinez. He went to leave one on him.
Indeed, and we’re hardly known for being rough.
How dare you. Bentancur's body still isn't cold.
Ha ha!
-
Boo hoo,them Villa boys keep pushing and tackling us,I want my mummy,go forth and multiply you twats
-
I just want to add; this nonsense from Arsenal fans about us being over physical, it was Havertz that went out to deliberately hurt someone with that challenge at the end of Martinez. He went to leave one on him.
Havertz fit away with loads of shit, and that's just in the first half. I thought his studs-up challenge on Bouba was worthy of a yellow, for a start
-
What is the vlog that has the four or five blokes sitting around ranting about how the world and hs dog is against Arsenal? I'll bet that is funny if it still exists.
I think they are in here somewhere...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi2PYNrSWVA (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi2PYNrSWVA)
Thanks for that, very funny.
-
I just want to add; this nonsense from Arsenal fans about us being over physical, it was Havertz that went out to deliberately hurt someone with that challenge at the end of Martinez. He went to leave one on him.
Havertz fit away with loads of shit, and that's just in the first half. I thought his studs-up challenge on Bouba was worthy of a yellow, for a start
Add the yellow he should've been given for the shirt pull and he should've been off.
-
I just want to add; this nonsense from Arsenal fans about us being over physical, it was Havertz that went out to deliberately hurt someone with that challenge at the end of Martinez. He went to leave one on him.
Havertz fit away with loads of shit, and that's just in the first half. I thought his studs-up challenge on Bouba was worthy of a yellow, for a start
Add the yellow he should've been given for the shirt pull and he should've been off.
I did laugh to myself when he took on Emi near the end of the game. Emi teased him in to confrontation and it allowed him to shithouse the clock down.
-
Enjoy. The bitterness has an extra dose of salt.
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733572222998958505?s=46
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733615003402727485?s=46
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733607452606869615?s=46
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733596629544894650?s=46
-
Havertz has that floppy sulky teenager look down to a tee 🤔
-
While we're on the subject of Havertz, I didn't realise how big he is. He was on a par with Torres and Martinez. Yet somehow he gives the impression of being a little lightweight like Gil at Spurs. Weird.
-
Enjoy. The bitterness has an extra dose of salt.
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733572222998958505?s=46
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733615003402727485?s=46
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733607452606869615?s=46
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733596629544894650?s=4
Thanks. Enjoyed that, love it when opposition fans are genuinely irritated.
-
I just want to add; this nonsense from Arsenal fans about us being over physical, it was Havertz that went out to deliberately hurt someone with that challenge at the end of Martinez. He went to leave one on him.
And with Havertz being Havertz he still missed.
-
Beating Arsenal has given me far more satisfaction than beating Ci£y and I never expected that . Thanks mostly to their manager and fans pathetic whinging since the final whistle blew.
-
Beating Arsenal has given me far more satisfaction than beating Ci£y and I never expected that . Thanks mostly to their manager and fans pathetic whinging since the final whistle blew.
It's a point well made.
-
"Clear handball by Matty Cash"
That's some major straw clutching right there from AFTV
-
Has anyone else noticed how Bailey has increased the use of his right foot. This is one of the reasons he is having so much success as defenders cannot read him now.
Went on the Villa Park tour early this afternoon with Olof's Beard and the away dressing room still had a flip-chart page from Arsenal's analysis of the Villa team, up from Saturday evening. Note how their coaching staff circle our left-footed players. I imagine this is to remind the Arsenal players to try and force these players onto their weaker (right) foot when possible. Luckily, Leon doesn't seem to have one at the moment!
Also, a nice touch that the opposition has to type in Sid's name to get wifi on their mobiles ;)
(https://i.ibb.co/QpBQ3dY/arsenaldressingroom.png) (https://ibb.co/QpBQ3dY)
-
Has anyone else noticed how Bailey has increased the use of his right foot. This is one of the reasons he is having so much success as defenders cannot read him now.
Yeah I also mentioned this a while back, that he seems to be much more willing to attempt crosses and such with his right - it looks like now he’s starting to see the payoff for it.
-
Enjoy. The bitterness has an extra dose of salt.
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733572222998958505?s=46
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733615003402727485?s=46
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733607452606869615?s=46
https://x.com/aftvmedia/status/1733596629544894650?s=4
Thanks. Enjoyed that, love it when opposition fans are genuinely irritated.
What a fucking rubbish channel that is.
I hate that 'dub' / 'big W' / 'bossman' host bloke. A Twitter celebrity, fuck off.
Why are they so pissed off about losing to us? Or are they like this every time they lose?
-
Queen and David Bowie sang about it.
-
I have just shown that movement for the goal to a bemused Y10 class at first lesson 8 am. UTV!
-
I have just shown that movement for the goal to a bemused Y10 class at first lesson 8 am. UTV!
Did you tie it into the lesson plan or was it just like “this is great, watch this!”
-
Has anyone else noticed how Bailey has increased the use of his right foot. This is one of the reasons he is having so much success as defenders cannot read him now.
Went on the Villa Park tour early this afternoon with Olof's Beard and the away dressing room still had a flip-chart page from Arsenal's analysis of the Villa team, up from Saturday evening. Note how their coaching staff circle our left-footed players. I imagine this is to remind the Arsenal players to try and force these players onto their weaker (right) foot when possible. Luckily, Leon doesn't seem to have one at the moment!
Also, a nice touch that the opposition has to type in Sid's name to get wifi on their mobiles ;)
(https://i.ibb.co/QpBQ3dY/arsenaldressingroom.png) (https://ibb.co/QpBQ3dY)
That QR code might come in handy when trying to get a phone signal at the next home match.
-
I was thinking similar.
-
Same team, win the toss, attack the Holte and get a fast start and then give it everything to defend from there and Unai manages the legs and the minutes. Beautifully done
-
I got one in 3rd lesson !
(https://i.ibb.co/kXHfhst/PXL-20231211-093432374.jpg)
-
However, talk of winning the title is sheer fantasy. There's more chance of Prince William taking charge of Villa's remaining fixtures than them winning the Premier League.
Saint Garth of Crooks.
-
You'll love this one from The Guardian comments
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/11/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekends-action#comment-165703179)
Grovebury
The abiding memory of the Arsenal Villa game is going to be all the Villa fans leaving their ground saying how Arsenal were the best team they have faced not only this season but many a year.
The truth is that Villa didn’t win on Saturday, Arsenal lost. Lost because the team is up against not only an anti-Arsenal media, not only a team facing 115 FFP charges, but also seemingly now a PMGOL determined to give decisions against them no matter what. How could Havertz goal not be allowed to stand? How did Matty Cash stay on the pitch? How is it that Saka likes balls into his feet but the referees just wouldn’t allow the game to flow that way? I would call it a disgrace but that would be to understate it.
Also all the Villa fans giving it large at the moment baffle me. This is their first good season since 1981 and they are acting like they support Real Madrid. In that time Arsenal have won five league titles, gone invincible, become the one and only club to win the golden premier league trophy, won a record number of FA Cups, multiple Charity Shields, have more friendly trophies than any other team in the world, have come to have the biggest YouTube fan channel on the planet, have more Twitter aggregator accounts than any other team in world football, have a state of the art stadium with the most diverse match day crowd of any other club in the league and so much more. Meanwhile Villa have languished in mid table mediocrity, boast Gabby Agbonlahor as their greatest player of the modern era, been relegated and are now managed by an Arsenal reject. Justified arrogance is one thing, but delusions of grandeur quite another. Time for them to wind their neck in a little.
-
He's right lads, time to pack it in. We just can't hope to compete on the erm, fan Youtube channels front.
-
https://x.com/PeteVillan1981/status/1733858480593772545?t=XDxN3TV1AI-710dOcicYEw&s=08
-
However, talk of winning the title is sheer fantasy. There's more chance of Prince William taking charge of Villa's remaining fixtures than them winning the Premier League.
Saint Garth of Crooks.
I wasn't fussed about winning the title but did want to try to stay in the top four. But when I read that on his page this morning, I so much want us to ram the words back down his boring fucking mouth.
-
https://x.com/PeteVillan1981/status/1733858480593772545?t=XDxN3TV1AI-710dOcicYEw&s=08
Eee by gum a salty Northern Tarquin
-
He's an imbecile, I really resent that part of the licence fee goes to paying his wages. Hes been shit on TV for the last 30 years.
-
https://x.com/PeteVillan1981/status/1733858480593772545?t=XDxN3TV1AI-710dOcicYEw&s=08
Haha - what a prize twat
-
Arteta is a huge manchild with all the attractive qualities of an anal prolapse, the thunderbird looking wankstain.
You're too kind to him.
I'm sorry I missed the original post by Boutros, it's quite possibly the best piece of justified vitriol I've ever read on these boards.
I'm just quoting to agree and so that people can read it again on a Monday morning.
-
I can't believe how much demand there apparently is for absolutely massive twats to sit in a gaming chair in their mum's spare room, filming themselves swearing as they watch the footy.
-
https://x.com/PeteVillan1981/status/1733858480593772545?t=XDxN3TV1AI-710dOcicYEw&s=08
Eee by gum a salty Northern Tarquin
That was almost Norwegian in its intensity. Maggie Thatcher, Lady Diana……….funny as fuck though!
-
I can't believe how much demand there apparently is for absolutely massive twats to sit in a gaming chair in their mum's spare room, filming themselves swearing as they watch the footy.
That Goldbridge twat, who appears to be some sort of Brummie Red to make things worse, is the absolute worst of them.
His real name is something stupid, too, can't remember what, but I recall thinking it's the sort of name you'd expect to find attached to an Arsenal Tarquin.
-
I can't believe how much demand there apparently is for absolutely massive twats to sit in a gaming chair in their mum's spare room, filming themselves swearing as they watch the footy.
That Goldbridge twat, who appears to be some sort of Brummie Red to make things worse, is the absolute worst of them.
His real name is something stupid, too, can't remember what, but I recall thinking it's the sort of name you'd expect to find attached to an Arsenal Tarquin.
Isn't his real name Brent de Cesare? Which is actually an incredible name, why on earth would you go by 'Mark Goldbridge' if that was your name?
-
I can't believe how much demand there apparently is for absolutely massive twats to sit in a gaming chair in their mum's spare room, filming themselves swearing as they watch the footy.
That Goldbridge twat, who appears to be some sort of Brummie Red to make things worse, is the absolute worst of them.
His real name is something stupid, too, can't remember what, but I recall thinking it's the sort of name you'd expect to find attached to an Arsenal Tarquin.
Isn't his real name Brent de Cesare? Which is actually an incredible name, why on earth would you go by 'Mark Goldbridge' if that was your name?
I thought Brent de Cesare was where Risso lives.
-
I can't believe how much demand there apparently is for absolutely massive twats to sit in a gaming chair in their mum's spare room, filming themselves swearing as they watch the footy.
That Goldbridge twat, who appears to be some sort of Brummie Red to make things worse, is the absolute worst of them.
His real name is something stupid, too, can't remember what, but I recall thinking it's the sort of name you'd expect to find attached to an Arsenal Tarquin.
Isn't his real name Brent de Cesare? Which is actually an incredible name, why on earth would you go by 'Mark Goldbridge' if that was your name?
I thought Brent de Cesare was where Risso lives.
Lord Risso, 7th Earl of Brent de Cesare
-
I thought Brent de Cesare was where Risso lives.
If only Leicester was as exotic as that sounds.
-
"Clear handball by Matty Cash"
That's some major straw clutching right there from AFTV
"He practically grabbed the ball..."
Erm, no.
No, he didn't.
The ball hit his shoulder.
And the shoulder is not part of the handball rules...
-
He's right lads, time to pack it in. We just can't hope to compete on the erm, fan Youtube channels front.
Thought the 1982 season was pretty good, wonder why they missed that one out
-
You'll love this one from The Guardian comments
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/11/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekends-action#comment-165703179)
Grovebury
The abiding memory of the Arsenal Villa game is going to be all the Villa fans leaving their ground saying how Arsenal were the best team they have faced not only this season but many a year.
The truth is that Villa didn’t win on Saturday, Arsenal lost. Lost because the team is up against not only an anti-Arsenal media, not only a team facing 115 FFP charges, but also seemingly now a PMGOL determined to give decisions against them no matter what. How could Havertz goal not be allowed to stand? How did Matty Cash stay on the pitch? How is it that Saka likes balls into his feet but the referees just wouldn’t allow the game to flow that way? I would call it a disgrace but that would be to understate it.
Also all the Villa fans giving it large at the moment baffle me. This is their first good season since 1981 and they are acting like they support Real Madrid. In that time Arsenal have won five league titles, gone invincible, become the one and only club to win the golden premier league trophy, won a record number of FA Cups, multiple Charity Shields, have more friendly trophies than any other team in the world, have come to have the biggest YouTube fan channel on the planet, have more Twitter aggregator accounts than any other team in world football, have a state of the art stadium with the most diverse match day crowd of any other club in the league and so much more. Meanwhile Villa have languished in mid table mediocrity, boast Gabby Agbonlahor as their greatest player of the modern era, been relegated and are now managed by an Arsenal reject. Justified arrogance is one thing, but delusions of grandeur quite another. Time for them to wind their neck in a little.
I think Grovebury needs therapy….the reason they have the biggest YouTube channel is because of the amount of opposition fans who subscribe to watch when they lose because that Gollum lookalike ranting is hilarious.
As for everything else the deluded halfwit spouts well it’s nonsense….Arsenal didn’t lose a game where they didn’t have a shot on target for the entire 2nd half…they spent 45 minutes with Rice trying to drive them on and the other attacking players trying to dive rather than score…got exactly what they deserved NOTHING
Seeing their bench not able to invade the pitch because they got a late goal was almost as satisfying and stopping Newton Heath doing it…
-
You'll love this one from The Guardian comments
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/11/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekends-action#comment-165703179)
GroveburyAlso all the Villa fans giving it large at the moment baffle me. This is their first good season since 1981 and they are acting like they support Real Madrid. In that time Arsenal have won five league titles, gone invincible, become the one and only club to win the golden premier league trophy, won a record number of FA Cups, multiple Charity Shields, have more friendly trophies than any other team in the world, have come to have the biggest YouTube fan channel on the planet, have more Twitter aggregator accounts than any other team in world football, have a state of the art stadium with the most diverse match day crowd of any other club in the league and so much more. Meanwhile Villa have languished in mid table mediocrity, boast Gabby Agbonlahor as their greatest player of the modern era, been relegated and are now managed by an Arsenal reject. Justified arrogance is one thing, but delusions of grandeur quite another. Time for them to wind their neck in a little.
Yes, how dare Villa fans enjoy the moment after years of mediocrity.
Especially at the expense of one of the most overrated, entitled, arrogant, ignorant c**t-stain bunch of fuckwits on the planet in Arsenal.
"Please don't celebrate your record breaking 15 consecutive win at Villa Park that gives you a bit of breathing space sat in 3rd spot, you know, like we did when we beat you at Villa Park 16 games ago as if we had won the World Cup, because as a fanbase, we are more melty snowflaky than an ice-cube inside the centre of the sun..."
Bunch of c**ts....
-
God a comment like that really breaks my spirit. Imagine people for whom football is Twitter followers or vanity-tournament friendly trophies.
What does it mean 'act like we support Real Madrid'? Being happy? Optimistic? Because that's not Real Madrid. Being miserable with second, whining that opponents tackle you and sobbing conspiracy when you're not allowed to cheat is Real Madrid.
-
I've long thought Arsenal fans are overwrought fannies playing at being supporters until something new and shiny comes along, like fucking cereal restaurants, ice bars, hip hop bingo venues or shit like that.
Nothing I've seen since Saturday suggests I'm wrong.
-
I've long thought Arsenal fans are overwrought fannies playing at being supporters until something new and shiny comes along, like fucking cereal restaurants, ice bars, hip hop bingo venues or shit like that.
Nothing I've seem since Saturday suggests I'm wrong.
Who was it said on here that they behave like they've read a guide to being a soccer fan, written by an American?
-
I can't believe how much demand there apparently is for absolutely massive twats to sit in a gaming chair in their mum's spare room, filming themselves swearing as they watch the footy.
That Goldbridge twat, who appears to be some sort of Brummie Red to make things worse, is the absolute worst of them.
His real name is something stupid, too, can't remember what, but I recall thinking it's the sort of name you'd expect to find attached to an Arsenal Tarquin.
Isn't his real name Brent de Cesare? Which is actually an incredible name, why on earth would you go by 'Mark Goldbridge' if that was your name?
I think its because he started up his YouTube channel while still working for the Police. There's a suggestion that he's nit a Man Unites fan at all.
-
Might have been me, I certainly think that.
-
The time when Saka got a tug fromDigne but was actually through on goal in the penalty area with the ball, now any right minded player would drive towards the goal and try to score.
What did Saka do, threw his arms in the air, stopped running to make sure he got the free kick and Digne booked.
Twat.
-
The time when Saka got a tug from Digne
(https://media.tenor.com/x0F7O40KfnwAAAAM/ooh-matron-kenneth-williams-carry-on-camping.gif)
-
I wouldn't even fly out Emi, Konza, Watkins etc to Zrinjski, let them rest up at home. Top 4 has never been more achievable.
Me either, a complete 11 change for me.
Given we've already won the group qualified, I completely agree.
-
I find it very hard to dislike Saka, he's getting a bit of stick on here for his antics which I didn't note that many of myself. I'd even go as far as saying there are no Arsenal players, with the exception of maybe Havertz in this team that I dislike which is very much in comparison to yesteryear when there would be plenty. Arteta is starting to become a bit of a tit as he tries to develop his managerial personality, it's not a good look. Those You-Tubers though are something else. They're the sort who would drop their support at the drop of a hat if they were hovering around the bottom 3, you just know it.
-
You'll love this one from The Guardian comments
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/11/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekends-action#comment-165703179)
GroveburyAlso all the Villa fans giving it large at the moment baffle me. This is their first good season since 1981 and they are acting like they support Real Madrid. In that time Arsenal have won five league titles, gone invincible, become the one and only club to win the golden premier league trophy, won a record number of FA Cups, multiple Charity Shields, have more friendly trophies than any other team in the world, have come to have the biggest YouTube fan channel on the planet, have more Twitter aggregator accounts than any other team in world football, have a state of the art stadium with the most diverse match day crowd of any other club in the league and so much more. Meanwhile Villa have languished in mid table mediocrity, boast Gabby Agbonlahor as their greatest player of the modern era, been relegated and are now managed by an Arsenal reject. Justified arrogance is one thing, but delusions of grandeur quite another. Time for them to wind their neck in a little.
Yes, how dare Villa fans enjoy the moment after years of mediocrity.
Especially at the expense of one of the most overrated, entitled, arrogant, ignorant c**t-stain bunch of fuckwits on the planet in Arsenal.
"Please don't celebrate your record breaking 15 consecutive win at Villa Park that gives you a bit of breathing space sat in 3rd spot, you know, like we did when we beat you at Villa Park 16 games ago as if we had won the World Cup, because as a fanbase, we are more melty snowflaky than an ice-cube inside the centre of the sun..."
Bunch of c**ts....
No mention of the European Cup then if you were that good
-
I find it very hard to dislike Saka, he's getting a bit of stick on here for his antics which I didn't note that many of myself. I'd even go as far as saying there are no Arsenal players, with the exception of maybe Havertz in this team that I dislike which is very much in comparison to yesteryear when there would be plenty. Arteta is starting to become a bit of a tit as he tries to develop his managerial personality, it's not a good look. Those You-Tubers though are something else. They're the sort who would drop their support at the drop of a hat if they were hovering around the bottom 3, you just know it.
I don't agree about Saka sorry mate. He's a very good player, and he could be one of the best if he didn't look to chuck himself on the ground literally every time an opposition player comes near him. He's a cheating twat, and I can't stand him.
-
You'll love this one from The Guardian comments
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/11/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekends-action#comment-165703179)
Grovebury
The abiding memory of the Arsenal Villa game is going to be all the Villa fans leaving their ground saying how Arsenal were the best team they have faced not only this season but many a year.
The truth is that Villa didn’t win on Saturday, Arsenal lost. Lost because the team is up against not only an anti-Arsenal media, not only a team facing 115 FFP charges, but also seemingly now a PMGOL determined to give decisions against them no matter what. How could Havertz goal not be allowed to stand? How did Matty Cash stay on the pitch? How is it that Saka likes balls into his feet but the referees just wouldn’t allow the game to flow that way? I would call it a disgrace but that would be to understate it.
Also all the Villa fans giving it large at the moment baffle me. This is their first good season since 1981 and they are acting like they support Real Madrid. In that time Arsenal have won five league titles, gone invincible, become the one and only club to win the golden premier league trophy, won a record number of FA Cups, multiple Charity Shields, have more friendly trophies than any other team in the world, have come to have the biggest YouTube fan channel on the planet, have more Twitter aggregator accounts than any other team in world football, have a state of the art stadium with the most diverse match day crowd of any other club in the league and so much more. Meanwhile Villa have languished in mid table mediocrity, boast Gabby Agbonlahor as their greatest player of the modern era, been relegated and are now managed by an Arsenal reject. Justified arrogance is one thing, but delusions of grandeur quite another. Time for them to wind their neck in a little.
Glad that's been brought up. Not to worry, shot him down early.
-
I find it very hard to dislike Saka, he's getting a bit of stick on here for his antics which I didn't note that many of myself. I'd even go as far as saying there are no Arsenal players, with the exception of maybe Havertz in this team that I dislike which is very much in comparison to yesteryear when there would be plenty. Arteta is starting to become a bit of a tit as he tries to develop his managerial personality, it's not a good look. Those You-Tubers though are something else. They're the sort who would drop their support at the drop of a hat if they were hovering around the bottom 3, you just know it.
I don't agree about Saka sorry mate. He's a very good player, and he could be one of the best if he didn't look to chuck himself on the ground literally every time an opposition player comes near him. He's a cheating twat, and I can't stand him.
I don't mind Saka and he's a very good player, but I find it hard to take him seriously because of that 'permanently surprised' look he has on his face.
-
I find it very hard to dislike Saka, he's getting a bit of stick on here for his antics which I didn't note that many of myself. I'd even go as far as saying there are no Arsenal players, with the exception of maybe Havertz in this team that I dislike which is very much in comparison to yesteryear when there would be plenty. Arteta is starting to become a bit of a tit as he tries to develop his managerial personality, it's not a good look. Those You-Tubers though are something else. They're the sort who would drop their support at the drop of a hat if they were hovering around the bottom 3, you just know it.
I don't agree about Saka sorry mate. He's a very good player, and he could be one of the best if he didn't look to chuck himself on the ground literally every time an opposition player comes near him.He's a cheating twat, and I can't stand him.
i wholeheartedly agree with this
-
I find it very hard to dislike Saka, he's getting a bit of stick on here for his antics which I didn't note that many of myself. I'd even go as far as saying there are no Arsenal players, with the exception of maybe Havertz in this team that I dislike which is very much in comparison to yesteryear when there would be plenty. Arteta is starting to become a bit of a tit as he tries to develop his managerial personality, it's not a good look. Those You-Tubers though are something else. They're the sort who would drop their support at the drop of a hat if they were hovering around the bottom 3, you just know it.
I don't agree about Saka sorry mate. He's a very good player, and he could be one of the best if he didn't look to chuck himself on the ground literally every time an opposition player comes near him. He's a cheating twat, and I can't stand him.
I think back to him trying to get Mings sent off by running into his outstretched leg, the snidey little shit.
-
the way Saka screams now aswell when he dives, pathetic little girl
-
Remember when we beat them at Arsenal when likes of Grealish and Barkley were going well. Was that Emery or Arteta in charge then? Those social media clips by those AFTV types were gold at the time. Absolutely seething.
I thought they played very well in the first half, maybe first 60 mins against us. We couldn't get playing through midfield, Watkins was pocketed really and we were reliant on odd surges from Bailey/Diaby and McGinn to break out. But I thought once we refreshed the team and turned it into a battle they struggled. Taking off Martinelli first was bizarre, Saka should have been first off and maybe tried Jesus over on right. Likes of Trossard, Nketiah didn't exactly worry us...Liverpool have far better options up top as do City.
-
Remember when we beat them at Arsenal when likes of Grealish and Barkley were going well. Was that Emery or Arteta in charge then? Those social media clips by those AFTV types were gold at the time. Absolutely seething.
I was looking for that AFTV episode the other day, the bald bloke on there was internet gold. "Jack Grealish, Jack Fucking Grealish, he's not fucking good enough for Arsenal they said!"
-
Remember when we beat them at Arsenal when likes of Grealish and Barkley were going well. Was that Emery or Arteta in charge then? Those social media clips by those AFTV types were gold at the time. Absolutely seething.
I thought they played very well in the first half, maybe first 60 mins against us. We couldn't get playing through midfield, Watkins was pocketed really and we were reliant on odd surges from Bailey/Diaby and McGinn to break out. But I thought once we refreshed the team and turned it into a battle they struggled. Taking off Martinelli first was bizarre, Saka should have been first off and maybe tried Jesus over on right. Likes of Trossard, Nketiah didn't exactly worry us...Liverpool have far better options up top as do City.
Emery's only match against us was the 3-2 loss when we went 1-0 and then 2-1 (straight after they scored.) They then scored 2 in the last 10 minutes to win 3-2 even though they were down to 10 men for at least half the match.
We did the double in the 20/21 season when we beat them 3-0 down there, we also beat them 1-0 at Villa Park.
-
Remember when we beat them at Arsenal when likes of Grealish and Barkley were going well. Was that Emery or Arteta in charge then? Those social media clips by those AFTV types were gold at the time. Absolutely seething.
I was looking for that AFTV episode the other day, the bald bloke on there was internet gold. "Jack Grealish, Jack Fucking Grealish, he's not fucking good enough for Arsenal they said!"
he's funny
"he's done it again , he's done it a-fucking gain"
-
It's funny how the same Tarquins were praising us to the hilt a couple of weeks ago when we did Spurs ar WHL.
-
That Grov bury thing is exactly why I dislike them so much. Other top 6 fans talk bollocks but Arsenal take it to an extreme and seem to genuinely believe they're better fans than anyone else. I know a decent Arsenal fan and even he thinks most of them are c**ts.
-
I've long thought Arsenal fans are overwrought fannies playing at being supporters until something new and shiny comes along, like fucking cereal restaurants, ice bars, hip hop bingo venues or shit like that.
Nothing I've seem since Saturday suggests I'm wrong.
Who was it said on here that they behave like they've read a guide to being a soccer fan, written by an American?
I think that was also mentioned in an article in The Independent I linked on here.
-
My cousin was on the train after the game on his way to see The Levellers in Wolvo and got chatting to an arsey Tarquinwho said 'we shouldn't be losing to the likes of Villa'. A few fellow Arsenal weighed into him by all accounts and then eventually they all starting arguing amongst themselves. Sounds tremendous fun.
The Levellers were great apparently.
-
Arsenal, though not quite on a par with spurs, are massively smug. I’m in the anti-Saka corner too. Good player, but a massive diver.
-
That Grov bury thing is exactly why I dislike them so much. Other top 6 fans talk bollocks but Arsenal take it to an extreme and seem to genuinely believe they're better fans than anyone else. I know a decent Arsenal fan and even he thinks most of them are c**ts.
yeah mate but they have more Twitter Aggregator accounts than any other team so you just have to accept it and applaud them
-
I've long thought Arsenal fans are overwrought fannies playing at being supporters until something new and shiny comes along, like fucking cereal restaurants, ice bars, hip hop bingo venues or shit like that.
Nothing I've seem since Saturday suggests I'm wrong.
hang on a minute , what's a cereal restaurant ?
-
I've long thought Arsenal fans are overwrought fannies playing at being supporters until something new and shiny comes along, like fucking cereal restaurants, ice bars, hip hop bingo venues or shit like that.
Nothing I've seem since Saturday suggests I'm wrong.
hang on a minute , what's a cereal restaurant ?
You must have seen that pair of bearded hipster twats who started the Cereal Killer restaurant? Go along and pay a tenner for a bowl of Shreddies at 9pm, in Shoreditch. It may not actually be Shoreditch, but if it isn't, it should be.
-
Pretty sure it was in Shoreditch and pretty sure it closed down for good after lockdown.
-
Pretty sure it was in Shoreditch and pretty sure it closed down for good after lockdown.
Heartbreaking. Where the hell will I eat cereal now???
-
Brick Lane. But it has closed down and they have gone online.
Yes, as if there weren't online 'stores' where you can order cereal. TWATS!
-
They’re both gone now because of covid apparently.
-
The Levellers were great apparently.
We live in strange times indeed.
-
They’re both gone now because of covid apparently.
Cancel the enquiry, it was all worth it.
-
The Cereal Killer debate has me in stitches at my desk. I love things like this on here. Shreddies for a tenner, Jeez.
-
Is this why we sing Cheerio to the Arsenal fans?
-
They’re both gone now because of covid apparently.
They should have accepted the vaccinations. RIP.
-
You'll love this one from The Guardian comments
(https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/11/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekends-action#comment-165703179)
'Grovebury' is apparently a spoof account. Created by an Arsenal fan to say what other Arsenal fans are thinking? Created by a Spurs fan to play on the worst elements of a rival fanbase? I don't know.
Whoever the creator, and whatever the motive, it's too close to reality to be funny, unfortunately.
-
Haven't the Gooners stopped crying yet?
-
I'd love to think there are Arsenal fans out there who order a bowl of Sugar Puffs via Uber Eats.
-
My cousin was on the train after the game on his way to see The Levellers in Wolvo and got chatting to an arsey Tarquinwho said 'we shouldn't be losing to the likes of Villa'. A few fellow Arsenal weighed into him by all accounts and then eventually they all starting arguing amongst themselves. Sounds tremendous fun.
The Levellers were great apparently.
There was also a dust up in the stands between some Arsenal fans.
And...yes, The Levellers are great. Although Jeremy's formerly magnificent hair is only just about hanging in there
-
I worked behind the bar in the students' union when I was at uni. The Levellers played it one night and their pig of a frontman walked in in the afternoon and gobbed on the floor. A proper, from deep in the lungs, flob. I've never forgiven him or them. And they've always been shit anyway
-
One Way by them reminds me of Saturday. Nights in the Hummingbird.
-
One Way by them reminds me of Saturday. Nights in the Hummingbird.
89-92 were the days in there!
-
One Way by them reminds me of Saturday. Nights in the Hummingbird.
89-92 were the days in there!
They certainly were.
-
Pretty sure it was in Shoreditch and pretty sure it closed down for good after lockdown.
There was one in town on the walkway from Grand Central to the Bull Ring. I walked past plenty of times but never saw a customer. Haven’t been that way for a while but would be surprised if it hasn’t gone the same way.
-
I was wondering, have the Gooners ever won the European Cup?
Asking so the bellends are reminded of this important gap in their trophy cabinet.
-
I worked behind the bar in the students' union when I was at uni. The Levellers played it one night and their pig of a frontman walked in in the afternoon and gobbed on the floor. A proper, from deep in the lungs, flob. I've never forgiven him or them. And they've always been shit anyway
Maybe he'd overdone it on the lentils and guinness at lunchtime.
-
I was wondering, have the Gooners ever won the European Cup?
Asking so the bellends are reminded of this important gap in their trophy cabinet.
That would be a 'No' but West Ham fans were claiming to have been Champions of Europe yesterday.
-
Pretty sure it was in Shoreditch and pretty sure it closed down for good after lockdown.
There was one in town on the walkway from Grand Central to the Bull Ring. I walked past plenty of times but never saw a customer. Haven’t been that way for a while but would be surprised if it hasn’t gone the same way.
It's a cupcake shop now.
-
They’re both gone now because of covid apparently.
Cancel the enquiry, it was all worth it.
It also saved us from being relegated, so there's that as well.
-
They’re both gone now because of covid apparently.
Cancel the enquiry, it was all worth it.
It also saved us from being relegated, so there's that as well.
i thought that was down to Hawkeye misfiring
-
I knew that AFTV presenter reminded me of someone.
(https://i.ibb.co/1ffqkDB/IMG-4115.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1ffqkDB)
-
I knew that AFTV presenter reminded me of someone.
(https://i.ibb.co/1ffqkDB/IMG-4115.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1ffqkDB)
Links the Sontarquin.
-
I worked behind the bar in the students' union when I was at uni. The Levellers played it one night and their pig of a frontman walked in in the afternoon and gobbed on the floor. A proper, from deep in the lungs, flob. I've never forgiven him or them. And they've always been shit anyway
Like the younger audience members too. So the stories go.
-
From The Athletic
Apologies if posted before.
Aston Villa continued their flawless win streak at home on Saturday, achieving another major scalp as they defeated Arsenal 1-0 in the Premier League fixture.
Villa took an early lead when John McGinn finished a flowing move, however, the visitors thought they had levelled the scoreline late in the game through Kai Havertz — only for it to be ruled out for handball.
Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta — who was serving a touchline ban and has been charged by the FA for criticising officials earlier this season — said he “preferred not to comment” when asked about the situation after the match.
But why did the incident create confusion and what are the reasons for the Video Assistant Referee (VAR) upholding the on-field official Jarred Gillett’s handball decision? The Athletic explains a pivotal moment from the intriguing affair…
What happened?
In the 89th minute, Havertz brought down a cross from Martin Odegaard in the Aston Villa penalty area. The ball pinballed between him and Villa defender Matty Cash, appearing to hit both players on their arms, before the Germany international stabbed a volley past goalkeeper Emi Martinez.
As Havertz began celebrating, he was immediately pulled back as Gillett had blown the whistle for a handball on the 24-year-old.
Replays showed that the ball struck Cash’s shoulder before ricocheting off Havertz’s right arm. And after a lengthy review, which lasted several minutes, the VAR confirmed Gillett’s decision.
What does the law say?
Handball is a subjective law of the game and is the only one that uses the term “deliberate”, which leaves it up to the referee’s interpretation.
Law 12 of the International Football Association Board’s (IFAB) ‘Rules of the Game’ outlines three scenarios in which a handball can be given.
The rules state, “It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball
touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
scores in the opponents’ goal:
directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.”
So, in summary, there are three ways it can be handball: 1) deliberate 2) by making your body bigger, and 3) if you are in the act of scoring a goal.
How was the law applied in this case?
Due to Havertz and Cash’s proximity in the incident, and the speed at which the ball was moving, it is unlikely that either handball fulfilled the first criteria of being “deliberate”.
Secondly, neither player appeared to make their body “unnaturally bigger”. Cash had his right arm by his side and was falling when the ball hit his right shoulder. Similarly, Havertz’s body was swivelling as he attempted to control and make a connection with the ball when it ricocheted off Cash and struck the Arsenal midfielder’s arm.
However, because Havertz was in the act of scoring a goal his handling of the ball — even if accidental — was deemed an offence. As he wasn’t in the process of scoring a goal, Cash’s accidental handling of the ball was no
-
GET A DOG UP YA, ARSENAL!
-
What would have been extremely sweet on Saturday would have seen the Havertz goal disallowed and for Villa to go immediately down the other end and be given a penalty to make it 2-0.
-
Accuweather has just told me there is a flood warning for London. Have the gooners not stopped crying? Are the combined tears joining up with the ones from the Spurs and Chelsea fans?
-
Events overnight in Turkey reminded me to ask this, but have Arsenal been charged by the FA of failing to control their players after Saturday yet? I understand the rule is (or was) if more than two players approach the ref it is grounds for such a charge.
-
Checks badge.
No.
-
Checks badge.
No.
Bit of a joke really, isn't it? The Arse were a disgrace like that on Saturday.
-
Anybody know the reason we are not giving out attendance figure at the games nowx, they never announce it now???
-
It's to keep the guess the crowd thread crowd on their toes.
-
Anybody know the reason we are not giving out attendance figure at the games nowx, they never announce it now???
It's to keep the guess the crowd thread crowd on their toes.
I agree, BE.
Thanks for this info, langleylions.
It explains why it’s not in the match thread, PWS usually notes it and so do the Beeb in their live text, as well as in the match report.
I’ve written about this to BBC Sport and pointed out that the figures are very late in appearing this season, compared to the practice in previous seasons. I hadn’t considered that the Club might be holding things up, but Villa v Arsenal’s attendance is nowhere to be seen yet and the figure for Villa v MancCity has finally appeared on the BBC page today, a whole week after the match.
Interestingly, it’s 1000 fewer than the figure that appeared on the ‘home attendances’ independent website, last week, so they can’t both emanate from the Club! Points have been allocated from the first figure published, as notified to players, but it’s not ideal.
-
It’s Dougenomics
-
It’s Dougenomics
Blast from the past!😊
I believe our present owners are demonstrably more financially responsible, compliant and competent than er, several others may have been before them.
I’ve alsobegun to wonder if the totally paperless and one ticket only admission system introduced this season has had an impact on Villa’s ability to confirm a number within an hour or so after KO.
-
Anybody know the reason we are not giving out attendance figure at the games nowx, they never announce it now???
It's to keep the guess the crowd thread crowd on their toes.
I agree, BE.
Thanks for this info, langleylions.
It explains why it’s not in the match thread, PWS usually notes it and so do the Beeb in their live text, as well as in the match report.
I’ve written about this to BBC Sport and pointed out that the figures are very late in appearing this season, compared to the practice in previous seasons. I hadn’t considered that the Club might be holding things up, but Villa v Arsenal’s attendance is nowhere to be seen yet and the figure for Villa v MancCity has finally appeared on the BBC page today, a whole week after the match.
Interestingly, it’s 1000 fewer than the figure that appeared on the ‘home attendances’ independent website, last week, so they can’t both emanate from the Club! Points have been allocated from the first figure published, as notified to players, but it’s not ideal.
Providing those numbers aren't supplied by Zanioli.
-
Anybody know the reason we are not giving out attendance figure at the games nowx, they never announce it now???
It's to keep the guess the crowd thread crowd on their toes.
I agree, BE.
Thanks for this info, langleylions.
It explains why it’s not in the match thread, PWS usually notes it and so do the Beeb in their live text, as well as in the match report.
I’ve written about this to BBC Sport and pointed out that the figures are very late in appearing this season, compared to the practice in previous seasons. I hadn’t considered that the Club might be holding things up, but Villa v Arsenal’s attendance is nowhere to be seen yet and the figure for Villa v MancCity has finally appeared on the BBC page today, a whole week after the match.
Interestingly, it’s 1000 fewer than the figure that appeared on the ‘home attendances’ independent website, last week, so they can’t both emanate from the Club! Points have been allocated from the first figure published, as notified to players, but it’s not ideal.
Providing those numbers aren't supplied by Zanioli.
😁
-
One of my cleaners who is into football & is a big Plymouth Argyle fan congratulated me today for the ManC & Arsenal wins & said that her son in law is a gooner.
I asked her if he whined & complained like a little bitch about the game & result & she chuckled.
"We should be beating the likes of Villa", he apparently said, amongst other things.
I proceeded to explain to her that Arsenal fans are always entitled whiny little bitches when they lose & her response was, "oh, I know..." 😂