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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on October 26, 2023, 04:30:20 PM
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Exactly as I predicted.
Insight
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Strongish team, should be enough.
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4 changes, happy with that and a very strong midfield which will be crucial.
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2-0 Carlos and Cash
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Win please.
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Why don't Villa give their formation along with the team? Pravda Out!
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Strong midfield and attack. Not overly sure about the Carlos and Lenglet partnership against a decent attacking team. 3-1 win hopefully!
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Exactly as I predicted.
Insight
Footy powers
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Decent enough line up.
I'd be strongly encouraging Digne and Luiz to pick up a yellow at the weekend.
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The defence worries me, but as long as we score more than them I'll be happy.
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If we’re going that strong, we might as well have put Torres and Konsa in as well. It’s not like they run around much in league games.
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Where’s Zaniolo?
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Where’s Zaniolo?
On the bench
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Where’s Zaniolo?
Sorry. Just seen he’s on the bench!
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Why does sidwell keep saying villa are leaking goals ?
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Why does sidwell keep saying villa are leaking goals ?
He's got a point. We conceded 0ne against Brighton and one against West Ham.
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Why does sidwell keep saying villa are leaking goals ?
He's got a point. We conceded 0ne against Brighton and one against West Ham.
Less of a leak and more of a drip I guess.
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Team ok but don’t know what to make of having Carlos and Lenglet in though
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433? Or strict 4 across midfield with Bailey up with Watkins.
Bailey needs an away performance tonight.
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That central defensive selection is...ballsy.
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Team ok but don’t know what to make of having Carlos and Lenglet in though
Will struggle against quick forwards those two. Tielemans has really struggled in that Ramsey position previously so surprised Emery has gone with it again.
Big night for Bailey.
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Hope the Donk gets game time and does brontebilly proud!
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New sponsor for tonight..?
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is that the well known van bommel on the bench ?
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come on Villa
lets do ths Arsenal look a like
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Emi
Cash Carlo Lenglet Digne
Boubacar
Tielemans Luiz McGinn
Bailey
Watkins
That's how I see them lining up. Apparently AZ attack with wingbacks, so it's vital that either Bailey puts a shift in covering back, or Tielemans and Kamara can protect that side.
If we had say Torres or Konsa at the back with Carlos instead of Lenglet, then I'm sure fans would be happy. Don't see why Lenglet is viewed so negatively. 15 caps and 105 games for Barca tell me he's no mug.
One of AZ's centrebacks is a converted defensive midfielder and Ibrahim - 23yr old 5'6" winger from Ghana makes his debut for them.
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is that the well known van bommel on the bench ?
His son.
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Come on Villa!!
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Team ok but don’t know what to make of having Carlos and Lenglet in though
Will struggle against quick forwards those two. Tielemans has really struggled in that Ramsey position previously so surprised Emery has gone with it again.
Big night for Bailey.
Has he? I thought most of the time when he was starting, he was further back in the Luiz / Kamara position. When he has been played further forward/ come on as sub, he normally has created chances.
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Does anyone have a trickle please?
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Excellent little game of cat and mouse happening so far
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What's the new sponsor?
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Aston Villa Foundation I think?
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What's the new sponsor?
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Does anyone have a trickle please?
Me too please. Was meant to subscribe to TNT for month but got distracted by the wife having pneumonia...
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433 tonight looks like, with tielemans very centrally a lot of the time
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What's the new sponsor?
Villa Foundation.
Think bettinvg sponsors aren't allowed in Euro competitions.
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Ah, yes, that'll be it, thanks.
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Emi
Cash Carlo Lenglet Digne
Boubacar
Tielemans Luiz McGinn
Bailey
Watkins
That's how I see them lining up. Apparently AZ attack with wingbacks, so it's vital that either Bailey puts a shift in covering back, or Tielemans and Kamara can protect that side.
If we had say Torres or Konsa at the back with Carlos instead of Lenglet, then I'm sure fans would be happy. Don't see why Lenglet is viewed so negatively. 15 caps and 105 games for Barca tell me he's no mug.
One of AZ's centrebacks is a converted defensive midfielder and Ibrahim - 23yr old 5'6" winger from Ghana makes his debut for them.
Looks like it's the formation where Bailey is wide right and Tielemans is pushed up behind Watkins.
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Bit of a patient affair so far. Gentle poking in both directions… but nothing major either way yet
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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goaaalll
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Bailey scores, though check for handball.
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Lovely move
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Get in Leeeooonn
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LEON!!!!
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Baileyyyyyyyyyy!!!!
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Yes, Leeeeoooonnn Bailey!
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That's got to be a handball.
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That's got to be a handball.
Shush you
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gaol given
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Is that a handball? I dunno.
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Are we up or handball?
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Oooh not too sure now.
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Get the fuck in
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What's the new sponsor?
Villa Foundation.
Think bettinvg sponsors aren't allowed in Euro competitions.
it can’t be that bc the az sponsor is a dutch betting website. we also don’t have a sleeve sponsor tonight which is odd
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I love how efficient we are at times
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The goal
https://twitter.com/bobfoots/status/1717586818701365671
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That's got to be a handball.
Nowhere near
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It was given! Get in!
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Be grateful for a trickle
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That move previously where Bailey couldn't control it was absolutely excellent.
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I was only moaning a minute before about Leon not hitting the ball when he got put through :) well Leon , great finish . That will do us good
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Get the fuck in! Well played Leon!
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Tielemans does do some soft stuff doesn’t he?
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The goal
https://twitter.com/bobfoots/status/1717586818701365671
Thanks.
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Tielemans in the Diaby role? Or have we shifted formation a bit?
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Keep it up, Villa!
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Thanks for posting the Sccooorrrrccchhhiiiiooo, PWS!
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tielmans gets them a yellow
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Youri looks really up for this
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Woohooo
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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youurrii
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Scooooorcio
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Get in!
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Yoooouuuuurrriii
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Youri!!!!!!!
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U-oh. Spoiled it with a heart hand-shape celebration, mind.
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Ah lovely glad for him.
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A GIGANTIC 2-0 lead, huge, mighty, glorious and true.
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2nd goal
https://twitter.com/swopsball/status/1717589134057853153
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Ah lovely glad for him.
Yeesss, pleased for him.
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was gonna post I reckon Youri will get a goal tonight as someone said hes up for it
well done lad , power of good for him
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Should be 1-2
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Certainly makes up for the awful touch 5 minutes ago!
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AZ siter missed
kamara
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Fuck yeah we're brilliant.
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Kamara needs to cut that out of his game
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Missed the goal as the kids were being Gits.
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Jesus Christ Bouba.
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That pass from McGinn threaded between all four defenders.
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Kamara needs to cut that out of his game
You would have thought the previous 27 times would have taught him.
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Kamara needs to cut that out of his game
Definitely. That's not his first time
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Tielemans best player on the pitch tonight
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Just don’t want to get too cocky
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Good that Kamara got away with his occasional howler. Hopefully won’t be another for a few months now.
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Villa Juggernaut
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We're a machine right now.
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youri looking like the old youri
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Tielemans having a great game.
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We're fucking flying here
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Tielemans best player on the pitch tonight
He's been brilliant so far.
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We’re really playing with amazing confidence at the moment. Love it
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offside az goal which isnt a goal
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Another warning
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Good by Lenglet there. Seeing these players step up for a tough game is very positive for the rest of the season.
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For the morale of the squad it’s great that both bailey and Tielemans have scored.
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That drum needs sorting.
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Need to start to calm things down a bit here, that's two let offs.
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Miles offside
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How did it take that long? Obviously offside.
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How did it take that long? Obviously offside.
The only uncertainty there was whether it was just the one or both the moves that were off.
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:o
How did it take that long? Obviously offside.
and further up the pitch?
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doesnt look much like a full house
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Bailey didn't look offside there. Another great move though.
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Brilliant stuff isn't it?!
Though Carlos needs to improve his distribution from the back and cash seems a bit one dimensional possession in defensive third.
Tielemans is having a fantastic game.
And that was a brilliant strike by Bailey.
Very encouraging and deserved lead so far.
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Lenglet seems very assured
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I'm not watching it, who is playing where? Is Tielemans playing off the right or as the central support to Ollie?
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Look like a team who are fucking unstoppable.
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Mate we're so fucking good. The football is incredible. Everyone is at maximum confidence. I have never seen us play like this before.
I'm just chuckling to myself with glee watching us play nowadays.
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Fuck me, some of our passing in midfield, we're almost taking the piss.
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I'm not watching it, who is playing where? Is Tielemans playing off the right or as the central support to Ollie?
Central. A less dynamic Diaby role. Dropping deeper at times to receive that direct vertical pass
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Mate we're so fucking good. The football is incredible. Everyone is at maximum confidence. I have never seen us play like this before.
I'm just chuckling to myself with glee watching us play nowadays.
It’s beautiful to watch. So happy as an armchair fan. All those watching in the flesh you lucky bastards. Hope I haven’t jinxed us
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Seen red cards for that
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I thought kick off was at 8 so this is quite the surprise!
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Have to say they are totally outclassed.
This is the Emery Villa performance we've been waiting for in Europe.
Having Watkins and Luiz in this team is a major difference.
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Mate we're so fucking good. The football is incredible. Everyone is at maximum confidence. I have never seen us play like this before.
I'm just chuckling to myself with glee watching us play nowadays.
It’s beautiful to watch. So happy as an armchair fan. All those watching in the flesh you lucky bastards. Hope I haven’t jinxed us
Was only the second time I have been able to get to VP this season on Sunday and I promise you its even better in person!
Definitely not going to take how good this period is for granted given where we have been!
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Got to make sure we don't slack off 2nd half.
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Pfff Lenglet getting too tight and getting turned easily there.
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Half time. Great so far. Very little to add
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Fun times
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Very decent half that. We're on a different level to them.
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I'd settle for a shut up shop no goals second half but I doubt Unai will.
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What's notable with Lenglet and Carlos rather than Konsa and Pau is that playing it around at the back from the keeper, which we're pretty much used to by now, looks just that little bit more ropey and nerve-wracking.
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total domination
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They're beginning to look unhappy - especially their centre forward.
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I like that kit a lot. *runs away*
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Ideal would be an early 3rd in the second half, then look to sub players who will start on the weekend?
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Its even better watching this dominance with Savage sounding miserable at how good we are on co-comms.
Perfect. I'd like to see Duran for Watkins quite early second half, keep him fresh.
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What a strange half.
Collectively, as a team we have been excellent and controlled the game.
Individually, we have been poor. Every player has misplaced simple passes, missed some tackles and lost their runners.
The 2 centre halves and Cash are not in synch with massive gaps between them.
But we are winning, away, in Europe. It’ll do.
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What a strange half.
Collectively, as a team we have been excellent and controlled the game.
Individually, we have been poor. Every player has misplaced simple passes, missed some tackles and lost their runners.
The 2 centre halves and Cash are not in synch with massive gaps between them.
But we are winning, away, in Europe. It’ll do.
Blimey, you're a hard taskmaster! I think they've all played really well.
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We look comfortable enough but my natural feeling is that it's not quite over yet.
I just love Emery making clowns out of us whenever we question a players ability and place in the side. Ace.
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What's notable with Lenglet and Carlos rather than Konsa and Pau is that playing it around at the back from the keeper, which we're pretty much used to by now, looks just that little bit more ropey and nerve-wracking.
It's our only possible weakness, other than that we're lethal. We don't seem to have a typical Villa goal, instead we magically conjure them up from no where. Maybe that is the typical Villa goal.
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What a strange half.
Collectively, as a team we have been excellent and controlled the game.
Individually, we have been poor. Every player has misplaced simple passes, missed some tackles and lost their runners.
The 2 centre halves and Cash are not in synch with massive gaps between them.
But we are winning, away, in Europe. It’ll do.
Blimey, you're a hard taskmaster! I think they've all played really well.
Sorry……it’s been a long day
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Its even better watching this dominance with Savage sounding miserable at how good we are on co-comms.
Perfect. I'd like to see Duran for Watkins quite early second half, keep him fresh.
When I heard it was Savage (again!) I shuddered but I think he can't help himself but to keep heaping praise on this Villa team. Music to my ears.
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From the BBC web feed:
"18:25 Post update
AZ Alkmaar 0-2 Aston Villa
Villa's fans have not shut up!
They're out-singing the 18,500 home supporters.
Jubilant scenes in the away end after a dominant performance by their team."
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What a strange half.
Collectively, as a team we have been excellent and controlled the game.
Individually, we have been poor. Every player has misplaced simple passes, missed some tackles and lost their runners.
The 2 centre halves and Cash are not in synch with massive gaps between them.
We’re playing an elaborate game of chicken with their aggressive press - when it works we look ace, but every player has to pass/control perfectly as they have so little time
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Thought the Martinez stand off thing was weird at the time. But it obviously made them think they needed to close us down more quickly, then we suddenly switched gear and took them apart.
Unai is a bonafide genius. I even think Bouba losing it is part of the plan. Well, not losing it, but holding on for that half a second too long, make them think they have a plan, then funeralling them.
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What's notable with Lenglet and Carlos rather than Konsa and Pau is that playing it around at the back from the keeper, which we're pretty much used to by now, looks just that little bit more ropey and nerve-wracking.
It's our only possible weakness, other than that we're lethal. We don't seem to have a typical Villa goal, instead we magically conjure them up from no where. Maybe that is the typical Villa goal.
True, our typical goal seems to be that nothing's happening until it all suddenly happens.
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What a strange half.
Collectively, as a team we have been excellent and controlled the game.
Individually, we have been poor. Every player has misplaced simple passes, missed some tackles and lost their runners.
The 2 centre halves and Cash are not in synch with massive gaps between them.
But we are winning, away, in Europe. It’ll do.
Blimey, you're a hard taskmaster! I think they've all played really well.
Sorry……it’s been a long day
No need to apologise, we're all allowed an opinion mate!
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What's notable with Lenglet and Carlos rather than Konsa and Pau is that playing it around at the back from the keeper, which we're pretty much used to by now, looks just that little bit more ropey and nerve-wracking.
Thought Lengelet has done okay, Carlos less so, a few too close for comfort passes and long ball passing more hopeful than accurate. He did put the striker off for the Kamara fuck up to his credit.
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Some of the best I ve seen for us away this season - Alkmaar supposed to be very good at home in Europe. Lenglet, Carlos , Tielemans and Bailey very good. Even Cash did something right but also makes us problems and disrupts our game as he usually does (I run for cover).
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We look comfortable enough but my natural feeling is that it's not quite over yet.
I just love Emery making clowns out of us whenever we question a players ability and place in the side. Ace.
Yeah a goal for them and it could get uncomfortable. These are the kind of games in Europe where we just need to be comfortable shutting teams out from this position.
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Really good performance, however they look like they have a goal in them. Third goal earlyish second half would be nice to kill it off . I would not take Watkins off at 2-0, unless its very late in the game, their defence shits itself every-time it goes near him.
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Dare I say it but the kit looks quite nice. And certainly better not having BK8 on it
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What a strange half.
Collectively, as a team we have been excellent and controlled the game.
Individually, we have been poor. Every player has misplaced simple passes, missed some tackles and lost their runners.
The 2 centre halves and Cash are not in synch with massive gaps between them.
But we are winning, away, in Europe. It’ll do.
Blimey, you're a hard taskmaster! I think they've all played really well.
Sorry……it’s been a long day
No need to apologise, we're all allowed an opinion mate!
Yep, Emery strives for perfection or demanding as he prefers to call it, we can too.
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Dare I say it but the kit looks quite nice. And certainly better not having BK8 on it
I genuinely like it when you see the whole thing, not just the jersey. Dougie even has boots to match. The BK8 would be in white on it, which definitely looks better than the yellow, but tonight's one definitely just looks better in general.
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They've taken that Mijnans donkey off
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We look comfortable enough but my natural feeling is that it's not quite over yet.
I just love Emery making clowns out of us whenever we question a players ability and place in the side. Ace.
The typical PTSD of any Villa fan. When they had the ball in the net I thought we were in for a nightmare but then it turns out we caught them offside about 10 yards into our half. Absolutely not used to this kind of controlled team performance at all.
And obviously I still expect AZ to have scored 2 on 55 mins.
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Very good first half performance. Two cracking goals. Only negative was that Kamara brainfart that we somehow escaped.
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Are Alkmaar bringing one of their mascots on….that sub looked about 9.
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Alkmaar bringing on what looks like an 8 year old.
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From the BBC web feed:
"18:25 Post update
AZ Alkmaar 0-2 Aston Villa
Villa's fans have not shut up!
They're out-singing the 18,500 home supporters.
Jubilant scenes in the away end after a dominant performance by their team."
That first half is the best I've seen in 30 years of following us away. Ham bap and salad cream at half time and let's fucking goooooo
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Dare I say it but the kit looks quite nice. And certainly better not having BK8 on it
It's absolutely mingin' to these jaundiced eyes.
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Looking forward to us coming out for the 2nd half
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They’ve come out fighting a bit more in this half
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Just hope we can ride this AZ pressure. We need a 3rd goal.
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SCORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Get in, Ollie!
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rest some players now
brilliant villa
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Boooom!!!
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OLLLIEEEE!!!!!
That was a great move.
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We're fucking amazing
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Just hope we can ride this AZ pressure. We need a 3rd goal.
Nicely prompted
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Game over, that'll do!!!
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Wooooooo
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Nice original pass out from the back, too
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"They've seen the Villa, we'll fuck off home!"
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Pure liquid football.
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Really nice goal, a shame Bailey couldn't take it but excellent following up from Ollie
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3rd goal
https://twitter.com/smartballw/status/1717601656999653567
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Beautiful!
Ollie Watkins he hangs around goals not supermarkets
Brilliant from Bailey and Tielemans.
Watkins on the rebound from the parried shot of Bailey.
Watkins can make 20 goals for sure.
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Fans singing, “You’ve seen the Villa, now fuck off home!” ;D
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Well we’re not bad are we.
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Bailey has been great. Should probably have finished that, but it was excellent skill to beat his man.
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That's the 8th game (out of 15) this season we've scored at least 3 goals. That's not too shabby.
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14 seconds between Martinez playing it to Lenglet to the ball hitting the back of the net.
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Vangelis plays for them? Thought he'd died
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I won't be surprised if we hit a team for 7 or 8 this season.
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FOURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRCHIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Super John McGinn! <3
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I can't believe this
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This amazing!
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Things that I love about tonight…
- Bailey scoring a goal away from home
- Tielemans looking like he’s assured
- Scoring 3 away from home (so far!). Edit. Ok 4 now.
- Playing with confidence
- The fact that we’ve scored another 3 goals! Edit. 4 goals.
Come on Villa! Let’s funeral them now.
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SJM!!!!
An absolute rout.
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Yesssssss
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Different class.
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4 nil. SJM
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I think we've got this.
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Save some goals for the Luton match.
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Credit to Bailey for the pinpoint cross
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4-0
https://twitter.com/sterlsball/status/1717602979556024714
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Think I might start changing my stance on Bailey. Electric tonight
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I think we might be taking this cup seriously.
This is seriously good.
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Another Emery masterclass
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Oh I do love a good funeralling of a team.
Rout. Great. We’re going places.
Love being a Villa fan at the moment.
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Going back to the 3rd goal, Watkins did a lovely chest lay-off to Tielmans. And then didn't hang about but made the run in the area to pick up the rebound if it happened. Class.
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Green with envy that I am not there, dark green envy
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El Maestro has his students purring.
Absolutely class.
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4-0
https://twitter.com/sterlsball/status/1717602979556024714
Thanks x4
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El Maestro has his students purring.
Absolutely class.
He's no Dean Smith is he?
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Youri really stepping up this game. Great pass for the third then drops deep and shields the ball well and passes it off for Kamara to set us on the way to the 4th. Great stuff.
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Dreamland!
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When we get Ramsey and Moreno back to full fitness we're going to have one hell of a squad.
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Youri really stepping up this game. Great pass for the third then drops deep and shields the ball well and passes it off for Kamara to set us on the way to the 4th. Great stuff.
Yes, him or Bailey tie for MotM at the moment with McGinn a close second.
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Dont know but mistake after mistake by Cash - nobody else in our team have this IMO but still dosent get commented on - cant explain
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That slow-slow-fast pattern is really evident in possession at the moment
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1-4
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AZ score 1 4
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Hope we don't blow this now.
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Dont know but mistake after mistake by Cash - nobody else in our team have this IMO but still dosent get commented on - cant explain
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Balls.
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I said it was far too early to be 4-0 up.
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Offside?
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Was a good finish from them to be fair. Took it early and precisely. We actually nearly cut them open again with our move right before this. Fine margins!
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That was offside.
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Booooo, as Steve Sidwell pointed out, we're still leaking goals. >:(
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That's a cracking finish, to be fair.
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Am I the only one who thinks Cash has been awful tonight ?
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Loss of concentration there, thinking the game is won. Time for a few subs?
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Offside?
Looked like it to me judging by the stripes on the pitch.
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Zaniolo getting ready to come on
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Commetator on my stream think Cash make them onside for their goal
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Luiz off
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Tight. But I think Cash, on the far side, played him on.
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Luiz off
Sent off or subbed?
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Luiz off
Sent off or subbed?
Subbed for Zaniolo
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Strange sub
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Subbed for Zaniolo I suspect. So Tielemans or McGinn to drop back.
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Subbed for Zaniolo
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Phew!
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Bring on Konsa and Torres just to shore this up
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Let's have Diaby on for Bailey. Lad needs a goal.
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Under the cosh a touch
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Carlos not concentrating there
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close again
well done youri block
cash lost it and carlos too
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we are all over the place right now
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I said earlier, centre halves and cash are looking very suspect to me.
We look far too fucking casual at the back
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Too many gone to sleep here. Emi looks well pissed off with them
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Emery will not be happy with the complacency or laziness that has set in
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I said earlier, centre halves and cash are looking very suspect to me.
We look far too fucking casual at the back
Lenglet has been decent I think but both Cash and Carlos have been atrocious second half.
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Get more legs rested now please get the Durans and Chambers of this world on
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Last 5 mins makes this feel like a defeat.
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Get more legs rested now please get the Durans and Chambers of this world on
No thanks
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Hopeless from Zaniolo there
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We just need to relax a little. We're away in Europe. The home team are always going to have a dominant spell. Soak up a bit of pressure then him em with a sucer punch.
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Probably tiredness as well affecting Villa.
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I said in first half Carlos needs to improve his distribution.
It's not his strong point at the best of times.
Same with Cash one dimensional in defenive third only using right foot. And we've seen Kamara get caught in possession before
The game is won anyway but these improvements on their ball play is needed generally especially Carlos and Cash.
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Get more legs rested now please get the Durans and Chambers of this world on
No thanks
I’d (at least) take Watkins off as he’s currently redundant, there will be a chance on the break to boost Duran’s confidence.
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Get more legs rested now please get the Durans and Chambers of this world on
No thanks
I’d (at least) take Watkins off as he’s currently redundant, yet there will be a chance on the break to boost Duran.
Yes giving Duran a few minutes sounds good to me.
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SJM off, Diaby on
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Emi with the armband
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I’d like to see Diaby score a goal
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Martinez deservedly captain.
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Bailey booked as he goes off, Bert on.
Ollie off for JD
Donk on for Booby
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I really want Zaniolo to work out. Dubious atm
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Piss poor 5 minutes…Emery out!!!
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I really want Zaniolo to work out. Dubious atm
Emery has sorted Bailey out.
So anything’s possible.
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Fair play to them, they may be limited but they have never given up. Probably guessing that goal difference could come into play
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Shit since scoring the 4th, worrying times.
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TNT commentator Is having a Villa love in 😃
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KI won 3-0 against Ljubljana...
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My trickle just dried up. But I’m a happy man!
Up the Villa!
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We haven't scored for over half an hour. Not good enough.
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A stunning win. Incredible.
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According to the BBC, we only had 5 shots, all on target with the four goals. I imagine the other attempt was Baileys effort that was saved which lead to Watkins putting away the 3rd.
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Fine win. Would have liked us to go a bit more agricultural at 4-0 and shut the game down better. But no real complaints
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Great win. Let's win this cup
UTV
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Clinical win and tactically superb by Emery.