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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ger Regan on August 30, 2023, 02:00:57 PM
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Seems to be gathering momentum so probably worth a thread of its own. Will change the title once official. Or, y'know, delete if it goes tits up.
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Romano says its imminent.
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Hopefully swapping not playing for Barcelona to not playing for us...but for a shit load of money (Rumours of £200k pw)
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Fabrizio Romano reckons it's agreed and ready to be confirmed soon.....
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Another left-sided centreback. It's got me thinking - does Emery view Konsa as first-choice, or at least co-first-choice, at right back? He does prefer one of the fullbacks to shift over in possession to make a three while the other one pushes up, and that latter role is very clearly earmarked for Digne or Moreno on the left in our system while Konsa is obviously a more natural fit for the former than Cash - who would himself be clear first choice for when we do the 3 starting centrebacks thing as we did vs. Burnley.
Who knows. I honestly don't. Unai's obviously got something in mind and I bet it's very clever.
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Another left-sided centreback. It's got me thinking - does Emery view Konsa as first-choice, or at least co-first-choice, at right back? He does prefer one of the fullbacks to shift over in possession to make a three while the other one pushes up, and that latter role is very clearly earmarked for Digne or Moreno on the left in our system while Konsa is obviously a more natural fit for the former than Cash - who would himself be clear first choice for when we do the 3 starting centrebacks thing as we did vs. Burnley.
Who knows. I honestly don't. Unai's obviously got something in mind and I bet it's very clever.
I'd see it as a direct replacement for Mings and therefore cover for Torres. re Konsa and Right back, I think Konsa's drive and determination aligned with Emery's tactics means he can fit in wherever asked.
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Another left-sided centreback. It's got me thinking - does Emery view Konsa as first-choice, or at least co-first-choice, at right back? He does prefer one of the fullbacks to shift over in possession to make a three while the other one pushes up, and that latter role is very clearly earmarked for Digne or Moreno on the left in our system while Konsa is obviously a more natural fit for the former than Cash - who would himself be clear first choice for when we do the 3 starting centrebacks thing as we did vs. Burnley.
Who knows. I honestly don't. Unai's obviously got something in mind and I bet it's very clever.
I'd see it as a direct replacement for Mings and therefore cover for Torres. re Konsa and Right back, I think Konsa's drive and determination aligned with Emery's tactics means he can fit in wherever asked.
I agree with the Mings thing. What I mean is, was Konsa out right perhaps always the plan once Pau (pow!) was up to speed?
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He's obviously been thinking of Konsa at right back for a while, because he put him there away at Wolves last season when he subbed Ash for Diego Carlos.
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Obligatory video from his time at Barcelona. Certainly prefers his left foot. A threat in the opposing box also.
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Another left-sided centreback. It's got me thinking - does Emery view Konsa as first-choice, or at least co-first-choice, at right back? He does prefer one of the fullbacks to shift over in possession to make a three while the other one pushes up, and that latter role is very clearly earmarked for Digne or Moreno on the left in our system while Konsa is obviously a more natural fit for the former than Cash - who would himself be clear first choice for when we do the 3 starting centrebacks thing as we did vs. Burnley.
Who knows. I honestly don't. Unai's obviously got something in mind and I bet it's very clever.
I'd see it as a direct replacement for Mings and therefore cover for Torres. re Konsa and Right back, I think Konsa's drive and determination aligned with Emery's tactics means he can fit in wherever asked.
I agree with the Mings thing. What I mean is, was Konsa out right perhaps always the plan once Pau (pow!) was up to speed?
I reckon it could well be. Konsa has played there before, but I'd say he's only really a defender, rather than a Right Back that pushes forward.
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Romano says its imminent.
I bet he says that to all the girls.
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But that's why it would work, as the right back often shuffles over to make the three out of possession. He's definitely got better on the ball though, look at him bursting forward vs. Burnley for the goals, looked like he'd been doing it for years.
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Romano says its imminent.
I bet he says that to all the girls.
Here We Go, love!
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Romano says its imminent.
I bet he says that to all the girls.
Here We Go, love!
Brace yourself!
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Another left-sided centreback. It's got me thinking - does Emery view Konsa as first-choice, or at least co-first-choice, at right back? He does prefer one of the fullbacks to shift over in possession to make a three while the other one pushes up, and that latter role is very clearly earmarked for Digne or Moreno on the left in our system while Konsa is obviously a more natural fit for the former than Cash - who would himself be clear first choice for when we do the 3 starting centrebacks thing as we did vs. Burnley.
Who knows. I honestly don't. Unai's obviously got something in mind and I bet it's very clever.
I'd see it as a direct replacement for Mings and therefore cover for Torres. re Konsa and Right back, I think Konsa's drive and determination aligned with Emery's tactics means he can fit in wherever asked.
I agree with the Mings thing. What I mean is, was Konsa out right perhaps always the plan once Pau (pow!) was up to speed?
I thought that when Torres first arrived, it's why the thread footy started annoyed me so much.
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But that's why it would work, as the right back often shuffles over to make the three out of possession. He's definitely got better on the ball though, look at him bursting forward vs. Burnley for the goals, looked like he'd been doing it for years.
I reckon Lenglet would also offer similar to Konsa but on the left, so gives us a more 'solid' left back if we need to tuck in on that side.
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In theory we could reverse the asymmetrical back four. Pau or Lenglet play left back and the defence slides across to allow cash to play as right winger.
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You don't play over 100 games for Barcelona and 15 times for France if you're not a quality player. I do scratch my head a bit at the wages though for a player who may only be cover in a position that seems better covered than a few others at the moment. Still, good players are always welcome.
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Afternoon all, here’s a short video detailing everything you need to know about Clement Lenglet in 5 minutes for those of you interested. It’s yet another quality signing by Villa, and I look forward to seeing him in action under a manager who’ll actually know how to utilize him properly in Unai Emery. Please do let me know what you think and feel free to ask me any questions you may have, cheers!
PS: I made this video when he was off to Spurs a year ago but it remains just as relevant today now that he's signing for Villa!
https://youtu.be/12036FZXKHI
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As ever Uti, I admire both your videos and your tireless, shameless self-promotion!
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Cheers Uti
"Barcelona played a high line which exposed Lenglet's lack of pace"
Yikes!
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Cheers Uti
"Barcelona played a high line which exposed Lenglet's lack of pace"
Yikes!
That was the bit that stood out to me too... 🤨
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Cheers Uti
"Barcelona played a high line which exposed Lenglet's lack of pace"
Yikes!
That was the bit that stood out to me too... 🤨
Yeah, Monchi and Emery won't have a clue about that.
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Cheers Uti
"Barcelona played a high line which exposed Lenglet's lack of pace"
Yikes!
That was the bit that stood out to me too... 🤨
beat me to it :P
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More importantly, how is his name pronounced? Is it Lenglet or Lenglet?
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More importantly, how is his name pronounced? Is it Lenglet or Lenglet?
Yes.
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Always looked decent to me. Sensible to have another body at the back.
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More importantly, how is his name pronounced? Is it Lenglet or Lenglet?
His name is pronounced his name
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Loan/no option to buy according to Fabrizio.
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More importantly, how is his name pronounced? Is it Lenglet or Lenglet?
Longlay isn’t it?
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You don't play over 100 games for Barcelona and 15 times for France if you're not a quality player. I do scratch my head a bit at the wages though for a player who may only be cover in a position that seems better covered than a few others at the moment. Still, good players are always welcome.
I read somewhere that his Barca wages cover deferrals from previously owed money from when he took a pay cut to help them out, and we won’t be paying that.
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His name has put the ‘Leave it to Lee Longlands’ jingle on my internal jukebox
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“Leave it to C. Lenglet, Lenglet”
MAKE IT STOP.
BTW his name is pronounced “Longlay”
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“Leave it to C. Lenglet, Lenglet”
MAKE IT STOP.
BTW his name is pronounced “Longlay”
A la la la la Long, a la la la la Long, a la la la la long long la long Longlay!
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More importantly, how is his name pronounced? Is it Lenglet or Lenglet?
Longlay isn’t it?
Longlay never no more.
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“Leave it to C. Lenglet, Lenglet”
MAKE IT STOP.
BTW his name is pronounced “Longlay”
A la la la la Long, a la la la la Long, a la la la la long long la long Longlay!
shabba!
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My internal jukebox clearly hates me:
Ole! Ole! Ole! Longlay! Longlay!
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There's still a Lee Longlands on Broad Street. I've never seen anyone in there.
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“Leave it to C. Lenglet, Lenglet”
MAKE IT STOP.
BTW his name is pronounced “Longlay”
A la la la la Long, a la la la la Long, a la la la la long long la long Longlay!
shabba!
C Longlay…C Longlay C Longlay …C Longlay to the tune of So Lonely by The Police
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Only the Longlay dum-dum-dum-dumdy-doo-wah
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Our stealth operation to replace the Villa squad with the French national team takes another step forward.
On est bien partis, les gars !
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It's a Lenglet from Barcelona, it's a long way to go....
It's a Lenglet from Barcelona, to the sweetest club I know.
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There's still a Lee Longlands on Broad Street. I've never seen anyone in there.
There’s one in Leamington too. Similarly empty.
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“Leave it to C. Lenglet, Lenglet”
MAKE IT STOP.
BTW his name is pronounced “Longlay”
A la la la la Long, a la la la la Long, a la la la la long long la long Longlay!
shabba!
Inner Circle. You're probably thinking of Mr Loverman.
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It's a Lenglet from Barcelona, it's a long way to go....
It's a Lenglet from Barcelona, to the sweetest club I know.
Excellent. Can’t see the youngsters singing this though 😂 maybe add an expletive or two.
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More importantly, how is his name pronounced? Is it Lenglet or Lenglet?
Longlay isn’t it?
Longlay never no more.
Will I play the Wild Rover
No never, no more!
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I wonder if Digne will go now - a lot of the footage I’ve seen shows him left back. Perhaps he’s cover for centre & left back.
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Loan/no option to buy according to Fabrizio.
Phew! Cos he's shit.
/joke. But really, we'll prefer a fresh Mings.
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Isn't he Lenglet, isn't he wonderful?
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Longlay isn’t it?
Funny, that was my nickname at college.
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“Leave it to C. Lenglet, Lenglet”
MAKE IT STOP.
BTW his name is pronounced “Longlay”
I thought it was Clay-mont.
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Cheers Uti
"Barcelona played a high line which exposed Lenglet's lack of pace"
Yikes!
That was the bit that stood out to me too... 🤨
Yeah, Monchi and Emery won't have a clue about that.
Im sure that they do.
But please, give me your permission to have a slight concern based on previous experience & knowledge of the players attributes, or lack thereof...
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You don't play over 100 games for Barcelona and 15 times for France if you're not a quality player. I do scratch my head a bit at the wages though for a player who may only be cover in a position that seems better covered than a few others at the moment. Still, good players are always welcome.
Except Barca haven't wanted him for some time and he didn't impress at Spurs. Tidy left foot but very slow on turn if my memory serves correct. Strange one.
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Have we played the high line since the Newcastle game?
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Cheers Uti
"Barcelona played a high line which exposed Lenglet's lack of pace"
Yikes!
That was the bit that stood out to me too... 🤨
Yeah, Monchi and Emery won't have a clue about that.
Im sure that they do.
But please, give me your permission to have a slight concern based on previous experience & knowledge of the players attributes, or lack thereof...
Oh no, worry to your heart's content dear.
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Clement Lenglet, Clement Lenglet, Clement Lenglet, Clement Lenglet. ©️
To the absolute dirge ‘She’s so lovely’ by Scouting for Girls.
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Cheers Uti
"Barcelona played a high line which exposed Lenglet's lack of pace"
Yikes!
That was the bit that stood out to me too... 🤨
Yeah, Monchi and Emery won't have a clue about that.
Im sure that they do.
But please, give me your permission to have a slight concern based on previous experience & knowledge of the players attributes, or lack thereof...
If you time things right you don't need pace! :)
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Clement Lenglet, Clement Lenglet, Clement Lenglet, Clement Lenglet. ©️
To the absolute dirge ‘She’s so lovely’ by Scouting for Girls.
How DARE you remind me of this horrible, horrible 'song'.
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Clement Lenglet, Clement Lenglet, Clement Lenglet, Clement Lenglet. ©️
To the absolute dirge ‘She’s so lovely’ by Scouting for Girls.
How DARE you remind me of this horrible, horrible 'song'.
Yep. It's absolute shite.
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Cheers Uti
"Barcelona played a high line which exposed Lenglet's lack of pace"
Yikes!
That was the bit that stood out to me too... 🤨
Yeah, Monchi and Emery won't have a clue about that.
Im sure that they do.
But please, give me your permission to have a slight concern based on previous experience & knowledge of the players attributes, or lack thereof...
Oh no, worry to your heart's content dear.
Thank you. I will sleep so much better tonight... 😘
If you time things right you don't need pace! :)
Yep. Good defenders can read the game & be one step ahead.
Don't get me wrong, while I spotted that comment about "high line & pace" on Utis video & it did jump out to me after the Newcastle game, I mentioned elsewhere on this site that my reaction to my Spurs supporting mate when he said Lenglet was "bang average", was to tell him that not all squad players have to be world class.
And that is a point I have tried to raise regarding the young player sales & squad depth, but I suppose it is my fault that I didn't post all that on my initial post on this thread where I mentioned the lack of pace being a concern.
I just didn't like the snarky response I got based on a perfectly valid point.
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Isn't he Lenglet, isn't he wonderful?
I'm struggling to find a kind word about him on Spurs forums except for the welcome posts before anybody had seen him play. From what I've read he has a big mistake in him every game, he can't defend and they would rather give Dier a new contract than keep Lenglet.
It seems we've pretty much exhausted every player Unai and Monchi have had playing for them or Spurs fans are like Man U fans, not to be engaged in football conversation or taken seriously? If the plan is he'll be back up for Torres and used sparingly against minor clubs in the Conference, fair enough. I just hope the 200k wages is a sick joke.
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He does, however, have a good footballer name. I can picture that name playing for Inter in the 90s.
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Around 160 games for Barcelona isn’t too shabby
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Loan/no option to buy according to Fabrizio.
Phew! Cos he's shit.
/joke. But really, we'll prefer a fresh Mings.
We do, we do!
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Clement Lenglet: Aston Villa closing in on loan deal for Barcelona defender - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66662222
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Can’t say I’m impressed by this one, surely we could look at our U21s for our 5th choice centre back.
Hopefully we never get desperate enough to need him to play.
(Obviously now I’ve written that he’ll turn out to be an inspired signing and we’ll all be clamouring for us to get him on a permanent deal by the end of the season)
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Can’t say I’m impressed by this one, surely we could look at our U21s for our 5th choice centre back.
Hopefully we never get desperate enough to need him to play.
(Obviously now I’ve written that he’ll turn out to be an inspired signing and we’ll all be clamouring for us to get him on a permanent deal by the end of the season)
With the greatest respect to our u21s, if push comes to shove I’d rather have a French international who has played a lot of games for Barcelona playing for us.
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For those more musically minded than I, I reckon something can be done with Lip Up Fatty
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It’s amazing how many people I have seen today say this fella is crap. This same fella who plays for Barcelona and France. I have no idea if he is or isn’t but I’m not turning my nose up at a player with those credentials.
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It’s amazing how many people I have seen today say this fella is crap. This same fella who plays for Barcelona and France. I have no idea if he is or isn’t but I’m not turning my nose up at a player with those credentials.
Not saying that he wouldn't be good cover for our CBs but at this stage I would like to quote the special one, Jose Mourinho "If he was any good they wouldn't be looking to loan him to us"
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Romano says its imminent.
I bet he says that to all the girls.
Here We Go, love!
Brace yourself!
Problem with his tackle now up to her.
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Loan no buy option immediately apparently. Perfect cover until Tyrone comes back.
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It’s amazing how many people I have seen today say this fella is crap. This same fella who plays for Barcelona and France. I have no idea if he is or isn’t but I’m not turning my nose up at a player with those credentials.
I think it’s more that people are basing it on it being the fella who was unimpressive for Spurs last season and has recently been resisting attempts by his club to pay him off to leave them on a free transfer. It just seems odd to me to be getting a player who we have 4 fit options who are better than him in his position, I just don’t think he is filling a need and the wages would be better spent elsewhere.
I sincerely hope to be proven wrong and that people will be able to mock me for how wrong I am.
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Son was very unimpressive for Spurs last season too.
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Confirmed loan according to John Townley. Probably can remove the ? from the thread title
https://x.com/johntownley11/status/1696877725204562122?s=46
Makes it our third French international on the books.
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Loan no buy option immediately apparently. Perfect cover until Tyrone comes back.
Seems sensible, cover for Ty for the next few months and take the pressure off him so he can recover at his own pace without risking his long term place in the squad.
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Before listening to too much of what other fans think of Lenglet, remember, non Villa fans pretty much all seem to think Tyrone Mings is shit.
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Before listening to too much of what other fans think of Lenglet, remember, non Villa fans pretty much all seem to think Tyrone Mings is shit.
Yep. Langlet was fine from what I saw at Spurs, pretty solid in a shambles of a team. Not really sure what the issue is.
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Before listening to too much of what other fans think of Lenglet, remember, non Villa fans pretty much all seem to think Tyrone Mings is shit.
Yep. Langlet was fine from what I saw at Spurs, pretty solid in a shambles of a team. Not really sure what the issue is.
Not bothered about the Spudz fans views as they made all they have managed to make all their defenders over the last couple of years look shit - which could be down to their managers or more likely as Conte called them out, just a shit club. I’d be more interested to know why Barca are keen to let him go. Is it money or don’t they rate him either?
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I'm not fussed what fans from other teams think. I trust Emery's ability to spot players he can work with and the abilities of the coaching team to bring out the best in what they've got. I can't remember having that trust with other coaching staff before.
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No idea but he’s played over 100 games for them.
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Before listening to too much of what other fans think of Lenglet, remember, non Villa fans pretty much all seem to think Tyrone Mings is shit.
Which is why I would search out the opinion of Villa fans..they're clever, knowledgeable, handsome and charming.
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It's also widely know Spurs fans are fucking bell ends. I'm looking forward to Lenglet going full McGrath on them when we play them at their place.
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Before listening to too much of what other fans think of Lenglet, remember, non Villa fans pretty much all seem to think Tyrone Mings is shit.
That's true. But most fans think Harry Maguire's shit, primarily because he is.
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A loan deals seems sensible to me. Zero risk.Cover for the season until Mighty Mings is back
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Where has this story of £200k/week wages come from? Spurs had the option to buy him in May for £12m.
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It's also widely know Spurs fans are fucking bell ends. I'm looking forward to Lenglet going full McGrath on them when we play them at their place.
Never a truer word spoken. Self entitled twats.
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Where has this story of £200k/week wages come from? Spurs had the option to buy him in May for £12m.
No idea but someone said earlier that he was owed money from Barca for taking a pay cut or deferred wages before and that that's why his wages are now so high. But it's money they owe him and not what we'd be paying him.
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Before listening to too much of what other fans think of Lenglet, remember, non Villa fans pretty much all seem to think Tyrone Mings is shit.
That's true. But most fans think Harry Maguire's shit, primarily because he is.
But that includes Man United fans. And managers ;-)
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Where has this story of £200k/week wages come from? Spurs had the option to buy him in May for £12m.
No idea but someone said earlier that he was owed money from Barca for taking a pay cut before and that that's why his wages are now so high. But it's money they owe him and not what we'd be paying him.
Cheers. That's good to know. No wonder they are desperate to get rid of him before the window closes. Barca has really turned into a basket case.
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If Unai thinks we need a backup then it’s fine with me. He’s improved almost every player since he’s came in.
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There's still a Lee Longlands on Broad Street. I've never seen anyone in there.
There’s one in Leamington too. Similarly empty.
I saw a Lee Longlands lorry on the M6 yesterday. No idea if it was empty. Took me back to ITV in the eighties. Or possibly Beacon or BRMB.
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There's still a Lee Longlands on Broad Street. I've never seen anyone in there.
There’s one in Leamington too. Similarly empty.
I saw a Lee Longlands lorry on the M6 yesterday. No idea if it was empty. Took me back to ITV in the eighties. Or possibly Beacon or BRMB.
"Leave it
Leave it to Lee.....Longlands....LONGLANDS!!!!!"
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Son was very unimpressive for Spurs last season too.
Foyth was pretty crap for them but there's plenty of our fans in favour of signing him.
Lenglet might not be world class but he's good enough to provide cover when needed.
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Apologies if it's been covered before, but I wonder if this means Chambers is going? Either that or Konsa's move to right back might be more of a permanent thing?
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Before listening to too much of what other fans think of Lenglet, remember, non Villa fans pretty much all seem to think Tyrone Mings is shit.
That's true. But most fans think Harry Maguire's shit, primarily because he is.
But that includes Man United fans. And managers ;-)
*phones up The Mighty Conk to explain giving Slabhead his 100th cap.
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Meh.
Wasn't impressed when I saw him for Spurs. Which was twice, when they played us.
I am sure Unai will sort him out.
Wish we'd sign a striker.
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For a time, admittedly a few years ago and in the Spanish league, he was Barcelonas best CB. Had all the attributes, reads the game well, good left foot. He seemed to develop a bit of a Mings-esque lapse of concentration though. I'm not 100% sold on this one but it's just a loan. Emery obviously feels like he's spotted something in him and can get the best out of him, and as far as I'm concerned he's got more than enough credit in the bank, so happy to trust him.
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Given that our loan quota will be filled with him and Zaniolo, I'm surprised that we're using our second on another centre-back.
Unless we're buying a forward, still feels like we're one body short there.
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Given that our loan quota will be filled with him and Zaniolo, I'm surprised that we're using our second on another centre-back.
Unless we're buying a forward, still feels like we're one body short there.
We're allowed 7 players on loan. The 2 rule is for loans between English/someWelsh clubs. There's some kind of Brexit related exemption thing for European players too, but I don't understand it, and it still ends up with us being allowed 7 in total.
Same for players going out, which might be why we sold Ramsey, Archer etc.
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It's a pretty underwhelming but pragmatic signing given the injury to Mings. Akin to the Bednarek deal I think.
It's a shame that he doesn't seem to have much pace and he's not a big powerhouse, but seemingly decent on the ball. Seems to be a like for like cover for Torres to me. I suspect we won't see a huge amount of him.
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Bit harsh of a comparison, that. He's almost certainly a level or two above Bednarek, and i'd imagine he'll get plenty more game time than him too.
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Indeed, he’s a completely different level to Bednarek.
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maybe, in a microcosm, that's how much we've improved. Bednarek was cover for an injured Carlos, Lenglet is cover for an injured Mings. That's some step up in 12 months
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Indeed, he’s a completely different level to Bednarek.
Absolutely.
I was furious about the Bednarek signing.
Even as a backup loan, I didn't want him plahing a single minute.
He is utter shite.
My only concern about Lenglet is his lack of pace, but as a backup for Torres until Mings is back, I am fine with it...
And as the only signing this summer where I have a minor concern, that shows how good the incomings this summer have been.
In my humble opinion of course...
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Bednarek has 155 PL appearances and 50 senior caps for Poland. He was no Maldini, but Lenglet's form in recent seasons has been something of a joke.
Perhaps their ceilings are very different, but I'm not that uncomfortable with the comparison.
Of course, Unai is exceptional and may help him become an excellent player. It's just not something I'm expecting or counting on.
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Maybe apart from being back up to Torres (and Mings) he may be used as a defensive midfielder where his lack of pace won't be so exposed and his passing ability utilised.
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I’m going to go with who is signing him versus what we’ve seen at Spurs or this perceived lack of pace. Positional awareness takes care of a lot of the pace concerns. Nether Carlos or Torres are fast but given our defence acts as a disciplined unit we rely less on pace, and more on structure and discipline.
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Given that our loan quota will be filled with him and Zaniolo, I'm surprised that we're using our second on another centre-back.
Unless we're buying a forward, still feels like we're one body short there.
We're allowed 7 players on loan. The 2 rule is for loans between English/someWelsh clubs. There's some kind of Brexit related exemption thing for European players too, but I don't understand it, and it still ends up with us being allowed 7 in total.
What are you citing for that?
The Premier League site says "Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time. The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time"
FIFA have their own rules, which say seven in and seven out (down from eight last season), but they don't override the Premier League ones above as far as I can tell.
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I’m going to go with who is signing him versus what we’ve seen at Spurs or this perceived lack of pace. Positional awareness takes care of a lot of the pace concerns. Nether Carlos or Torres are fast but given our defence acts as a disciplined unit we rely less on pace, and more on structure and discipline.
We haven't seen our Mingless defence come under any serious pressure yet. His recovery pace got our high line out the shit countless times and I'm not sure quite how we're going to cope without it. We'll find out over the next few weeks.
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What are you citing for that?
The Premier League site says "Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time. The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time"
FIFA have their own rules, which say seven in and seven out (down from eight last season), but they don't override the Premier League ones above as far as I can tell.
Yeah, my mistake. The 7 in 7 out is FIFA. Prem allows 4 in a season, but only ever 2 at a time, apparently. Although on the Premier League site it does seem to specify loans between English clubs.
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What are you citing for that?
The Premier League site says "Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time. The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time"
FIFA have their own rules, which say seven in and seven out (down from eight last season), but they don't override the Premier League ones above as far as I can tell.
Yeah, my mistake. The 7 in 7 out is FIFA. Prem allows 4 in a season, but only ever 2 at a time, apparently. Although on the Premier League site it does seem to specify loans between English clubs.
Yeah, I saw that and it did make me second-guess whether it was just Premier League --> Premier League.
You'd imagine though that if clubs could do that many, lots of them would - particularly those at risk of relegation.
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AV84 is correct, the 2/4 rule only applies to loans between Premier League and other English clubs. It doesn't apply to loans from overseas, so we can get more if we wanted. The PL rules state that players from overseas clubs are not subject to the relevant rules. For some reason it won't let me copy and paste the relevant bit.
edit: as mentioned in this article. https://sqaf.club/premier-league-loan-rules/ (https://sqaf.club/premier-league-loan-rules/)
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When I was looking into it I saw a thing that said a few seasons ago Chelsea had 49 players out on loan.
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I’m going to go with who is signing him versus what we’ve seen at Spurs or this perceived lack of pace. Positional awareness takes care of a lot of the pace concerns. Nether Carlos or Torres are fast but given our defence acts as a disciplined unit we rely less on pace, and more on structure and discipline.
Torres isn't fast? Are you sure about that one - https://ronaldo.com/football-news/top-5-fastest-la-liga-players-this-season/2/
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Don't what's happened to him then, because he clearly isn't very quick now. Been easily outpaced a few times.
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Bednarek has 155 PL appearances and 50 senior caps for Poland. He was no Maldini, but Lenglet's form in recent seasons has been something of a joke.
Perhaps their ceilings are very different, but I'm not that uncomfortable with the comparison.
Of course, Unai is exceptional and may help him become an excellent player. It's just not something I'm expecting or counting on.
I’d disagree, if Lenglet has been chosen by Emery / Monchi as a player who can bring something to the squad then he is infinitely better than Bednarek who was clearly what they could get rather than want.
Let’s judge him on what he does for Villa rather than the perception of what he did at a car crash Spurs in front of a v poor goalkeeper and in a very average defensive unit.
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I’m going to go with who is signing him versus what we’ve seen at Spurs or this perceived lack of pace. Positional awareness takes care of a lot of the pace concerns. Nether Carlos or Torres are fast but given our defence acts as a disciplined unit we rely less on pace, and more on structure and discipline.
Torres isn't fast? Are you sure about that one - https://ronaldo.com/football-news/top-5-fastest-la-liga-players-this-season/2/
He might be fast over a distance, but in small, tight areas he’s been beaten which is a lot of the game in the PL. Part of it might be him just getting used to the PL or general fitness and positional awareness as he’s got used to the game here.
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Bednarek has 155 PL appearances and 50 senior caps for Poland. He was no Maldini, but Lenglet's form in recent seasons has been something of a joke.
Perhaps their ceilings are very different, but I'm not that uncomfortable with the comparison.
Of course, Unai is exceptional and may help him become an excellent player. It's just not something I'm expecting or counting on.
I’d disagree, if Lenglet has been chosen by Emery / Monchi as a player who can bring something to the squad then he is infinitely better than Bednarek who was clearly what they could get rather than want.
Let’s judge him on what he does for Villa rather than the perception of what he did at a car crash Spurs in front of a v poor goalkeeper and in a very average defensive unit.
These types of posts make a forum redundant. Of course we'll judge him on what he does at Villa, but if we can't comment on a player based on reputation, form, history etc just because we've got a decent manager, then what's the point?
If you've got an opinion on what you've seen or heard about him from his time at Barca and Spurs, then great. If it's just based on 'Emery can do no wrong' then it adds nothing.
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I'm a little surprised at how un-fast Torres is but it isn't an issue or might not be because like all good players of his type what they lack in pace they make up for with their other attributes as he's already shown. I don't have any recollection of Lengelet's time at Tottenham but he had a fair few appearances there so can't be a complete duffer.
Anyway, in Unai we trust.
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Judging a player last their time at spurs last year would be like us doing similar with McGinn under the lego-haired, kinehan-associating, sportswashing twat. As Bren and others have said, if unai wants him, that's good enough for me.
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Judging a player last their time at spurs last year would be like us doing similar with McGinn under the lego-haired, kinehan-associating, sportswashing twat. As Bren and others have said, if unai wants him, that's good enough for me.
Amen.
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I’m going to go with who is signing him versus what we’ve seen at Spurs or this perceived lack of pace. Positional awareness takes care of a lot of the pace concerns. Nether Carlos or Torres are fast but given our defence acts as a disciplined unit we rely less on pace, and more on structure and discipline.
Torres isn't fast? Are you sure about that one - https://ronaldo.com/football-news/top-5-fastest-la-liga-players-this-season/2/
He might be fast over a distance, but in small, tight areas he’s been beaten which is a lot of the game in the PL. Part of it might be him just getting used to the PL or general fitness and positional awareness as he’s got used to the game here.
I think the bold bit is probably a important part of it, the game in general in England is much faster than other leagues and the first few yards are in your head so experience of how how quickly teams transition make a big difference.
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Don't what's happened to him then, because he clearly isn't very quick now. Been easily outpaced a few times.
The problem a lot of times is that an attacker is already in their running motion at pace in a forward direction.
A defender has to turn & start running from scratch, so its easy to see why a lot of pacy defenders look like they are being "outpaced".
Especially when its over a shorter distance...
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Don't what's happened to him then, because he clearly isn't very quick now. Been easily outpaced a few times.
The problem a lot of times is that an attacker is already in their running motion at pace in a forward direction.
A defender has to turn & start running from scratch, so its easy to see why a lot of pacy defenders look like they are being "outpaced".
Especially when its over a shorter distance...
See Risso this is why you've always struggled, not because you're shit.
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If you've got an opinion on what you've seen or heard about him from his time at Barca and Spurs, then great. If it's just based on 'Emery can do no wrong' then it adds nothing.
This.
Especially if someone is going to say it in a condescending patronising disrespectful manner...
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Bednarek has 155 PL appearances and 50 senior caps for Poland. He was no Maldini, but Lenglet's form in recent seasons has been something of a joke.
Perhaps their ceilings are very different, but I'm not that uncomfortable with the comparison.
Of course, Unai is exceptional and may help him become an excellent player. It's just not something I'm expecting or counting on.
I’d disagree, if Lenglet has been chosen by Emery / Monchi as a player who can bring something to the squad then he is infinitely better than Bednarek who was clearly what they could get rather than want.
Let’s judge him on what he does for Villa rather than the perception of what he did at a car crash Spurs in front of a v poor goalkeeper and in a very average defensive unit.
These types of posts make a forum redundant. Of course we'll judge him on what he does at Villa, but if we can't comment on a player based on reputation, form, history etc just because we've got a decent manager, then what's the point?
If you've got an opinion on what you've seen or heard about him from his time at Barca and Spurs, then great. If it's just based on 'Emery can do no wrong' then it adds nothing.
It really depends how you express that opinion. From what I've seen of Lenglet he's the only player we've picked up this summer who is adding depth to the squad rather than quality. However if Emery wants him then I'm happy to hold off on calling it out as a poor signing because our performances and the improvement in players who had been written off as not good enough has been so impressive that he's earned that right. In these specific circumstances I don't think the forum is worse for people having that view. We're just not used to it because most of our managers have been nowhere near that.
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I agree Paul, in the circumstances, it's probably a sensible signing with 2 days of the window left in the same way Bednarek was (but with a higher ceiling if it goes well). It's forming a view entirely based on 'well Emery wants him' that I find a bit reductive.
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I have no opinion on Lenglet, but I kind of agree with Chris in that I'm uncomfortable with the frequency with which I see 'in Emery we trust' posts. Obviously he's been brilliant, as his track record suggested he might be, and hasn't got anything wrong so far. But a lot of big decisions have been made this summer, some of which may prove to be duds.
That won't mean he should be hounded out or anything, even if we struggle at times this season, but dismissing every doubt with 'but the manager...' might lead to some big disappointments down the line.
Still though, fuck it, he *is* incredible and I'm glad he's here.
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I'm totally comfortable with the amount of 'In Emery we trust' posts. So much so that I'm changing my bank account to the Emery Bank and my pension, I'm putting all my investments in the Emery Trust Fund,
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I have no opinion on Lenglet, but I kind of agree with Chris in that I'm uncomfortable with the frequency with which I see 'in Emery we trust' posts. Obviously he's been brilliant, as his track record suggested he might be, and hasn't got anything wrong so far. But a lot of big decisions have been made this summer, some of which may prove to be duds.
That won't mean he should be hounded out or anything, even if we struggle at times this season, but dismissing every doubt with 'but the manager...' might lead to some big disappointments down the line.
Still though, fuck it, he *is* incredible and I'm glad he's here.
Again, it really depends, trusting the manager if he picks players in seemingly strange positions is fine because he's done it a fair few times and has got it right much more often than wrong. That isn't blind faith, it's appreciating that he knows what he's doing and trusting that he has a good reason for it. Disagreeing with selling Archer/AJ Ramsey is different because even if they do well and we end up bringing them back there's no evidence that what he did was right or wrong so it's all down to personal opinion and then a simple 'trust in Unai' is less worthwhile.
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Last time we did this messiahnistic approach the bloke walked out on us five days before the start of the season.
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Like any player we sign that I’ve not really paid enough attention to for me to have an informed opinion I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. That he’s been signed by this manager rather than, for example, Steve Bruce I’m optimistic that he’ll be up to the job that Emery has in mind for him.
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He’s only a loan.
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I thought the "in Emery we trust" posts were quite comical when we thought we were signing Oxlade-Chamberlain and then Jack Harrison. Their threads were full of very hesitant "in Emery we trust" declarations.
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I think we are operating at a different level now. Those of us with a few grey hairs were privileged to see a top manager at the club so I don't think it unreasonable to hope that we have appointed someone who can strive to get us back to that level.
I was given a heads up about Emery last November when I was in Spain. An expat Arsenal supporter told me he was a top manager and in his opinion was treated very unfairly at Arsenal. He thought we would be very successful under him. Everything I have witnessed since has proven him to be spot on.
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I think we are operating at a different level now. Those of us with a few grey hairs were privileged to see a top manager at the club so I don't think it unreasonable to hope that we have appointed someone who can strive to get us back to that level.
I was given a heads up about Emery last November when I was in Spain. An expat Arsenal supporter told me he was a top manager and in his opinion was treated very unfairly at Arsenal. He thought we would be very successful under him. Everything I have witnessed since has proven him to be spot on.
We are operating at a different level I agree. Last time we were near the top 6 we signed Zak Knight 😳
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He’s only a loan.
A loan who's unlikely to walk into the first team.
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I think we are operating at a different level now. Those of us with a few grey hairs were privileged to see a top manager at the club so I don't think it unreasonable to hope that we have appointed someone who can strive to get us back to that level.
I was given a heads up about Emery last November when I was in Spain. An expat Arsenal supporter told me he was a top manager and in his opinion was treated very unfairly at Arsenal. He thought we would be very successful under him. Everything I have witnessed since has proven him to be spot on.
We are operating at a different level I agree. Last time we were near the top 6 we signed Zak Knight 😳
Who's Zat?
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Has he signed yet? Hopefully not a repeat of the Zaniolo fiasco!
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Has he signed yet? Hopefully not a repeat of the Zaniolo fiasco!
Manana
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Has he signed yet? Hopefully not a repeat of the Zaniolo fiasco!
Manana
Where does he play?
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He’s only a loan.
A loan who's unlikely to walk into the first team.
So why bother sign him? It's a strange one. For LCB we already had Torres/Carlos and RCB Konsa/Carlos/Chambers. The Donk has played at the back for Belgium too and possibly Wolves?
I always thought Chambers did ok at RCB and ideal to play Thursday night football. Bit concerning that no youth prospect capable of stepping up to 4th/5th choice too.
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Has he signed yet? Hopefully not a repeat of the Zaniolo fiasco!
Fiasco ?
What happened?
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He’s only a loan.
A loan who's unlikely to walk into the first team.
So why bother sign him? It's a strange one. For LCB we already had Torres/Carlos and RCB Konsa/Carlos/Chambers. The Donk has played at the back for Belgium too and possibly Wolves?
I always thought Chambers did ok at RCB and ideal to play Thursday night football. Bit concerning that no youth prospect capable of stepping up to 4th/5th choice too.
Because throwing another CB into the pool gives us more options in terms of having one play RB - we are going to play a lot of games this season, we need cover.
We now have one less CB than we had before, we are replacing that one.
I don't know why people are so bothered by this, it is a totally natural move.
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Yep it’s very weird that people are taking umbrage at this.
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Especially given the fact that we regularly look like we’re going to be playing 3 centre backs either as a back 3 or with one playing in the full back roll.
Signing seems an absolute no brainier.
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Has he signed yet? Hopefully not a repeat of the Zaniolo fiasco!
Fiasco ?
What happened?
Nothing happened, it's just that certain posters get very twitchy when a signing doesn't get completed immediately.
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It’s not that long since we were signing the likes of Drinkwater on loan, and now people are turning their noses up at French international from Barcelona?
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It’s not that long since we were signing the likes of Drinkwater on loan, and now people are turning their noses up at French international from Barcelona?
And also the concept of having more depth in the squad. Weird.
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It’s not that long since we were signing the likes of Drinkwater on loan, and now people are turning their noses up at French international from Barcelona?
Exactly. From centre-half cover who couldn't get in the Southampton team to someone who has made 105 appearances for Barca and 15 for France. It encapsulates the progress we have made in a season.
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I'd rather trust UE on this signing - he has the knack of moulding and improving players into his style of play.
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I guess Emery is earning the right to sign and try what he wants. And I've mote faith in him to do that than any manager we've had in a very very long time.
This is the only signing that has raised eyebrows so far, and it's clearly a back up option for a season with Mings being out.
I very much doubt that any of us on here, with all due respect, will see something in a player that Emery, Monchi, Lange and the plethora of analysts won't have seen and checked out. As such, I still trust that if we are called upon to use a player that there may be a deficiency in, Emery and his team will be able to develop and adapt a strategy to deal with it.
It doesn't negate any body's right to an opinion or view of course, and let's face it there will be plenty of those, but there's something about this management team that gives me a warm feeling of trust.
They won't just tell him to run faster.
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I just can't see the problem with this at all. He's coming on a loan deal, as back up. He might never play, but if he does, he's got the passing ability that forms the fundamental basis of how we set up.
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I just can't see the problem with this at all. He's coming on a loan deal, as back up. He might never play, but if he does, he's got the passing ability that forms the fundamental basis of how we set up.
Agreed, under the circumstances it's good that we got someone in.
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I guess Emery is earning the right to sign and try what he wants. And I've mote faith in him to do that than any manager we've had in a very very long time.
This is the only signing that has raised eyebrows so far, and it's clearly a back up option for a season with Mings being out.
I very much doubt that any of us on here, with all due respect, will see something in a player that Emery, Monchi, Lange and the plethora of analysts won't have seen and checked out. As such, I still trust that if we are called upon to use a player that there may be a deficiency in, Emery and his team will be able to develop and adapt a strategy to deal with it.
It doesn't negate any body's right to an opinion or view of course, and let's face it there will be plenty of those, but there's something about this management team that gives me a warm feeling of trust.
They won't just tell him to run faster.
Yes, 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'.
A big disadvantage all of us posters have on any footie message board.
In Unai we trust.
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My guess would be that people don't have a problem with him per se, but more the fact that he's not a centre forward. I'm more surprised that we don't have the option to buy.
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My guess would be that people don't have a problem with him per se, but more the fact that he's not a centre forward. I'm more surprised that we don't have the option to buy.
I'd see that as a definite vote of confidence in Mings and Torres?
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It is, but what if comes and does well and has a greater impact than we're expecting. If we're going to be playing with 3 centre backs a lot of the time then there's room for up to 6 centre backs and 3 of those to be left footed. Just surprised we haven't covered that scenario.
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It’s not that long since we were signing the likes of Drinkwater on loan, and now people are turning their noses up at French international from Barcelona?
What about a Brazil international from Barcelona?
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It’s not that long since we were signing the likes of Drinkwater on loan, and now people are turning their noses up at French international from Barcelona?
What about a Brazil international from Barcelona?
Yep, brilliant footballer, who's been extremely unlucky with injuries.
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He’s only a loan.
A loan who's unlikely to walk into the first team.
So why bother sign him? It's a strange one. For LCB we already had Torres/Carlos and RCB Konsa/Carlos/Chambers. The Donk has played at the back for Belgium too and possibly Wolves?
I always thought Chambers did ok at RCB and ideal to play Thursday night football. Bit concerning that no youth prospect capable of stepping up to 4th/5th choice too.
Because throwing another CB into the pool gives us more options in terms of having one play RB - we are going to play a lot of games this season, we need cover.
We now have one less CB than we had before, we are replacing that one.
I don't know why people are so bothered by this, it is a totally natural move.
If it's an average CB we need, Chambers already fits that bill, I expect he would have moved on if Mings didn't get injured. Not sure why we need to get another average CB in, likely paying him a fair chunk in wages too. Lenglet despite being a "French international from Barcelona" was no better than average at Spurs last season. He is incredibly slow on the turn so seems a very weird fit for a high defensive line that Emery had in place last season. Carlos, Torres, Lenglet....no pace there.
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You’re making the mistake of assuming playing in a basket case of a team gives you a representative sample to judge on. Being “average” in that team is pretty impressive.
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Confirmed
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Go on Clem, be hilariously amazing, there's a good chap.
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Welcome Clement, be good.
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Best Clement since Freud.
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Welcome to the Villa, have a good season for us and we will love you.
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Best Clement since Freud.
One for the kids there.
Wasn’t he?
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Best Clement since Freud.
Not heard of him since they thought he had Maddie McCann
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You’re making the mistake of assuming playing in a basket case of a team gives you a representative sample to judge on. Being “average” in that team is pretty impressive.
We finished one point above that "basket case" in the table. Lenglet also played CL football last season for them. He was also average at Barca hence why he ended up at Spurs in first place. He seems to have the same flaws Torres has so can't figure this one out.
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He’s only a loan.
A loan who's unlikely to walk into the first team.
So why bother sign him? It's a strange one. For LCB we already had Torres/Carlos and RCB Konsa/Carlos/Chambers. The Donk has played at the back for Belgium too and possibly Wolves?
I always thought Chambers did ok at RCB and ideal to play Thursday night football. Bit concerning that no youth prospect capable of stepping up to 4th/5th choice too.
Because throwing another CB into the pool gives us more options in terms of having one play RB - we are going to play a lot of games this season, we need cover.
We now have one less CB than we had before, we are replacing that one.
I don't know why people are so bothered by this, it is a totally natural move.
If it's an average CB we need, Chambers already fits that bill, I expect he would have moved on if Mings didn't get injured. Not sure why we need to get another average CB in, likely paying him a fair chunk in wages too. Lenglet despite being a "French international from Barcelona" was no better than average at Spurs last season. He is incredibly slow on the turn so seems a very weird fit for a high defensive line that Emery had in place last season. Carlos, Torres, Lenglet....no pace there.
He isn't an average centre back, he is a very good centre back with a lot of international caps in a good French team that has made many appearances at a high level of club football. I think what Emery likes is that he has a similar passing and playing out from the back capability to Torres, who could not be replaced by any of our current available options were he to be rested or injured.
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You’re making the mistake of assuming playing in a basket case of a team gives you a representative sample to judge on. Being “average” in that team is pretty impressive.
We finished one point above that "basket case" in the table. Lenglet also played CL football last season for them. He was also average at Barca hence why he ended up at Spurs in first place. He seems to have the same flaws Torres has so can't figure this one out.
Your point seems a bit confused. They absolutely were a basket case in terms of how they performed vs expectation. He played over 100 games for Barca, so it’s hardly like he was signed and shipped out immediately. He’s a loan signing to give us better cover in the back line. We’ll see I suppose, but I think you’re drawing your conclusions from some fairly broad brush observations.
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Welcome Lenglet, could be another very shrewd signing.
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My great-grandfather was called Clement, the first of a long line of Villa fans.
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Welcome.
Guessing no option to buy with this one?
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Welcome.
Guessing no option to buy with this one?
His Barce contract ends next summer so no need for one if we want to keep him we'll just offer him a deal after Christmas to start in the summer.
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It’s not that long since we were signing the likes of Drinkwater on loan, and now people are turning their noses up at French international from Barcelona?
Those people are like the dogheads we laughed at thinking they should be competing with the likes of Barcelona or Real Madrid for signings. I’m delighted by the signing we’ve made. The progress as you are alluding to is beyond remarkable given the markets we previously operated in.
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Welcome.
Guessing no option to buy with this one?
His Barce contract ends next summer so no need for one if we want to keep him we'll just offer him a deal after Christmas to start in the summer.
2026 according to Transfermarkt.
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Welcome.
Guessing no option to buy with this one?
His Barce contract ends next summer so no need for one if we want to keep him we'll just offer him a deal after Christmas to start in the summer.
2026 according to Transfermarkt.
Hmm, I saw a story saying it was 2024 yesterday, but I'll trust that site over whatever it was I read.
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Welcome, don't be shit.
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Can't remember too much of him from his Spuds days. Welcome Clement.
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Welcome, Clement, to the finest football club you will ever play for.
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Worried he's not handsome enough to play for us.
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Worried he's not handsome enough to play for us.
It is a concern and who he plays alongside will have to be picked accordingly.
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Worried he's not handsome enough to play for us.
Yep, bit of a downgrade on most of the rest of the defence.
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Worried he's not handsome enough to play for us.
Don’t worry. Diego counts for at least two great looking men and raises the average score.
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He'll be fine, just put him alongside Carlos and everyone will be too distracted to notice him.
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Worried he's not handsome enough to play for us.
Yep, he's no McGinn.
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Good solid signing which gives UE more defensive options. We still need another striker though to boost the forward options.
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So both him and Zaniolo on bench sunday...and 4 goalies of course
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I'm not one for suggesting songs because I don't go to many games, don't sing them when I'm there and nobody ever sings a song suggested on a message board. BUT, surely we can do something with St Etienne's He's On The Phone?
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So both him and Zaniolo on bench sunday...and 4 goalies of course
Don't think we have enough players to fill the 4 goalies quota anymore.
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Yes
He never meant to score, but he did anyway
Now he's trying to find, the ball to play
to Lenglet, Lenglet
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Only Connect question.
What could be next in this sequence ?
1. Lenglet 2. Hampton 3. Milner 4. ?
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Only Connect question.
What could be next in this sequence ?
1. Lenglet 2. Hampton 3. Milner 4. ?
Coutinho
Summit to do with speaking Spanish but not born in Spain????
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Only Connect question.
What could be next in this sequence ?
1. Lenglet 2. Hampton 3. Milner 4. ?
Coutinho
Summit to do with speaking Spanish but not born in Spain????
No
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Only Connect question.
What could be next in this sequence ?
1. Lenglet 2. Hampton 3. Milner 4. ?
Morley
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Only Connect question.
What could be next in this sequence ?
1. Lenglet 2. Hampton 3. Milner 4. ?
I’m thinking labour prime ministers so Tony Morley (or Tony Moon)
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Both correct. You could have Morley, Cascarino, Hateley etc.
Villa players sharing their first name with Post war Labour PMs.
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Do I get a prize for coming third? :D
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Yes
He never meant to score, but he did anyway
Now he's trying to find, the ball to play
to Lenglet, Lenglet
That's what I'm talking about!
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Hope DC is ok, but this demonstrates why it was critical that we brought Lenglet in.
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Both correct. You could have Morley, Cascarino, Hateley etc.
Villa players sharing their first name with Post war Labour PMs.
Cowans would have been my choice.
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Literally unless he starts a game I forget he's been here.
He seems like a back up option.
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Yet you remembered him enough to resurrect his thread.
Anyway, yes, he's a back up.
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Literally unless he starts a game I forget he's been here.
He seems like a back up option.
Which is exactly what he is.
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Yet you remembered him enough to resurrect his thread.
Anyway, yes, he's a back up.
Because I thinking ahead !
In the next two games he's likely to feature?
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Yet you remembered him enough to resurrect his thread.
Anyway, yes, he's a back up.
Because I thinking ahead !
In the next two games he's likely to feature?
Alkmaar - Possibly
Luton - Possibly not
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Yet you remembered him enough to resurrect his thread.
Anyway, yes, he's a back up.
Because I thinking ahead !
In the next two games he's likely to feature?
Emery did mention him in one of the interviews that people posted recently. He said he was an important player and would be needed, or something to that effect. I'd expect to see him in the European games anyway.
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Lenglet is the man for Europa then it seems
A player who is Champions League pedigree having performed in the competition to a high standard for Sevilla and Barca.
I think his experience is vital for these games in Europe and think he'll play in one of the next two
And go along with AZ match as likelihood
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Lenglet is the man for Europa then it seems
A player who is Champions League pedigree having performed in the competition to a high standard for Sevilla and Barca.
I think his experience is vital for these games in Europe and think he'll play in one of the next two
And go along with AZ match as likelihood
Well, he'd better look rather better than he did in Warsaw then; he was abject.
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Lenglet is the man for Europa then it seems
A player who is Champions League pedigree having performed in the competition to a high standard for Sevilla and Barca.
I think his experience is vital for these games in Europe and think he'll play in one of the next two
And go along with AZ match as likelihood
Well, he'd better look rather better than he did in Warsaw then; he was abject.
He certainly did today v Az. Very classy.
Lenglet has started and played all 3 euro conference league fixtures and fits the requirements .
Insight !
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Lenglet is the man for Europa then it seems
A player who is Champions League pedigree having performed in the competition to a high standard for Sevilla and Barca.
I think his experience is vital for these games in Europe and think he'll play in one of the next two
And go along with AZ match as likelihood
Well, he'd better look rather better than he did in Warsaw then; he was abject.
He certainly did today v Az. Very classy.
Lenglet has started and played all 3 euro conference league fixtures and fits the requirements .
I only saw the 2nd half but he certainly looked assured on the ball, and I noticed his positioning seems much-improved.
Thank goodness.
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He looked a very classy player 2nd half, as well as solid. It can’t be easy coming in here and there, especially as a centre back and I hope he keeps up that standard.
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How calm and assured was this guy again ! Guess that's what £180k a week gets you , quality that can step in occasionally and make it look seemless
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Shame he got booked -a punishment for getting on the wrong side of the striker.
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If Lenglet settles well and becomes a valuable member of the squad, it would be an interesting question as to whether we sign him in the summer as he's only been signed to cover the loss of Mings.
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Might well have pushed himself ahead of Carlos in pecking order last night. He was calm and composed while Carlos was anything but.
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Was very sceptical about this transfer, but really impressed last night.
It’s almost as if Emery and his team know what they’re doing.
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I wouldn't back against Carlos looking like a better player at some point with the work our coaches are doing these days.
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He's like a clone of Torres.
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He looked like a clone of Bednarek in Warsaw.
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He looked like a clone of Bednarek in Warsaw.
Warsaw has that effect.
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Looked a baller last night. Impressed more than Carlos (Diego, not Cuellar).
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That was his best performance for us last night. Fair play.
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A smart loan signing by our genius Manager.
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Watched the second half again this morning, he did really well. And boy are we easy on the eye. Easier to appreciate while watching with no stress.
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That was his best performance for us last night. Fair play.
I thought he had a pretty decent game against the Bosnian side as well to he fair to him.
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He played well against AZ.
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Hopefully another decent showing at home tonight starting v Az
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His lack of pace didn't help with their goal.
Their striker isn't the quickest, but still outpaced him.
I think he was targeted with the long balls that AZ kept putting through on that side.
Its just fortunate for us that their strikers couldn't work out that they could have run into the space behind if they had only started their run a fraction later...
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Barca are getting antsy about his overall lack of game time for us and I can't imagine he's too happy about it either. Think it might be in all parties' best interests to just quietly send him back in Jan
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i thought he had a good game.
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i thought he had a good game.
as did I
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Barca are getting antsy about his overall lack of game time for us and I can't imagine he's too happy about it either. Think it might be in all parties' best interests to just quietly send him back in Jan
Not for us you dafty, he's performing very well
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All 4 central defenders got a run out tonight, so who knows what formations we'll use in future games. Konsa has played a lot of minutes, and Carlos always seems like he's one impact away from an injury. There's also the fact that we've no Cash backup, so an injury there appears to mean moving Konsa out to RB.
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I'm certain we'll go after a rb in january
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I'm certain we'll go after a rb in january
Me too, but we've a lot of games between now and then.
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Barça çan fuçk off! Visca Girona!
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Barca are getting antsy about his overall lack of game time for us and I can't imagine he's too happy about it either. Think it might be in all parties' best interests to just quietly send him back in Jan
Not for us you dafty, he's performing very well
Indeed, he looked pretty shit at Legia (mind you, not the only one, not by far) and he's a touch on the slow side, but he's definitely alright for what we'll need him for, and did well last night.
Can't see how it'd be in our best interests to send him back and then waste time looking for someone else.
I'd much rather we spent that time looking for a right back at the very least.
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He's like Torres, with similar strenths and weaknesses, only not as good, and even slower. He hit a couple of absolutely fantastic 40 yard passes last night though, one in the first half to Diaby was as good as you'll see anywhere.
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Not in our interests to send him back and probably not in Barca's interest to take back the £150k weekly wage. It's nonsense paper-filling talk.
He's a convenient (although expensive) 12 month cover for an unexpected injury and he's doing fine
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Not in our interests to send him back and probably not in Barca's interest to take back the £150k weekly wage. It's nonsense paper-filling talk.
He's a convenient (although expensive) 12 month cover for an unexpected injury and he's doing fine
Exactly.
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Not in our interests to send him back and probably not in Barca's interest to take back the £150k weekly wage. It's nonsense paper-filling talk.
He's a convenient (although expensive) 12 month cover for an unexpected injury and he's doing fine
We're not paying him £150k a week.
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It's only the gutter press that are saying Barcelona are unhappy with the lack of football he's playing.
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We aren't paying him that I suspect, but if he went back to Barca they would be paying the full amount if that is what he is on. Unless they can loan him out again of course.
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He signed an extension to his original Barca contract, so he's there until 2026. He's on a massive wage, but some of that is money owed for deferred payments during Covid. They were willing to sell him to Spurs this past summer for £12mil, but Levy did his usual thing and the deal never happened.
His original contract was until 2023, and since then he's spent a year at Spurs and a year here, so they obviously don't want him anymore, but are trying to get as much as possible for him. I wouldn't pay 12mil for him to be 4th choice, 5th if Mings comes back. I suppose I can see why they'd want him playing more. Seems unlikely we'll buy him, and he's not exactly in the shop window playing a handful of midweek games.
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Seems a well liked player within the group if the goal celebrations are anything to go by.
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I thought he looked pretty bright last night, good on the ball. But it wasn't the most taxing game he'll ever play and they did get in behind him a few times. Even so, based on my initial assessment when we signed him he looks better than I expected.
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I thought he looked pretty bright last night, good on the ball. But it wasn't the most taxing game he'll ever play and they did get in behind him a few times. Even so, based on my initial assessment when we signed him he looks better than I expected.
My unscientific analysis is that he gives us about 80% of all the things that Torres gives us, both (mostly) good and bad.
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I thought he looked pretty bright last night, good on the ball. But it wasn't the most taxing game he'll ever play and they did get in behind him a few times. Even so, based on my initial assessment when we signed him he looks better than I expected.
My unscientific analysis is that he gives us about 80% of all the things that Torres gives us, both (mostly) good and bad.
I think that's a very good analysis.
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Worth bumping this. He has done pretty well of late, I doubt he’ll end up here permanently but he could play a really important role for us.
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Fair play to the fella, signed because Mings got injured then only played the Cup games up until Pau got injured and has played his part filling in. He's not as good as Pau but he's stepped up to the plate.
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Worth bumping this. He has done pretty well of late, I doubt he’ll end up here permanently but he could play a really important role for us.
He's done a good job putting himself in the shop window. Barca will be happy at last.
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Fair play to the fella, signed because Mings got injured then only played the Cup games up until Pau got injured and has played his part filling in. He's not as good as Pau but he's stepped up to the plate.
Bit harsh making Pau Torres the benchmark when posters are saying things like best since McGrath/Laursen/Mellberg etc.
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He's done well when he's played for us the odd mistake but overall he's ok.
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Anyone else think “ oh not another Acl” when a thread gets jumped to near the top of the page ?
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He's done well when he's played for us the odd mistake but overall he's ok.
He struggled when paired with Carlos but has looked good with Konsa and Torres, maybe they just don't work as a pair which is why the defence looked so ragged when they were together.
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He’s getting better by the game. I wouldn’t be against him as future back up or in our case a regular at some point throughout a season.
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He’s getting better by the game. I wouldn’t be against him as future back up or in our case a regular at some point throughout a season.
He’ll be on too much money for that.
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Yep. But ultimately he's been pretty good and has turned out to be an extremely important signing after Tye's injury. Fair play to the recruitment team on that one.
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Will be happy to see the end of the season to kick his Donkey arse back to Barca after tonight
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That first goal hw stupidly got disallowed
Defensively he was poor. God i can't wait till mings is back
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Yes, helped us out this season for sure but for the wages he’s on, he won’t be allowed to stay.
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Amazing to think, he plays for actual Barcelona.
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That first goal hw stupidly got disallowed
Defensively he was poor. God i can't wait till mings is back
Given how the rest of the game was reffed that decision looks dodgy as fuck to me.
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Barcelona are pissing themselves that someone else picked him up for a season. He really is a poor defender. Coming forward with the ball at his feet is his only attribute. Poor in the air, not a great marker. Several grades below Tyrone or Pau.
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That first goal hw stupidly got disallowed
Defensively he was poor. God i can't wait till mings is back
Given how the rest of the game was reffed that decision looks dodgy as fuck to me.
This is the worrying thing for me. Its quite clear thwy want the greek story- greek team wins in 1st major greek final. So we clearly wont be getting any decisions over there.
Its literally gonna be 12 vs 11 . Add that to trying tk win by at lwast 2 to get it to pens.
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Amazing to think, he plays for actual Barcelona.
He doesn't much recently though. Fucked off to Spurs last season where he started 24 matches in a season they let in 63. (Although he was not starting in the 6-1 loss to Newcastle, the 4-1 loss to Leicester or the 4-3 loss to Liverpool).
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That first goal hw stupidly got disallowed
Defensively he was poor. God i can't wait till mings is back
Given how the rest of the game was reffed that decision looks dodgy as fuck to me.
Yeah, so much for the home team getting the decisions.
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Ref was terrible but that shirt pull is a foul, and a stupid one at that. It was the right decision.
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Amazing to think, he plays for actual Barcelona.
He doesn't much recently though. Fucked off to Spurs last season where he started 24 matches in a season they let in 63. (Although he was not starting in the 6-1 loss to Newcastle, the 4-1 loss to Leicester or the 4-3 loss to Liverpool).
Well, no, he doesn't when he's on loan, what I meant was - Barcelona actually signed him.
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JUST PUT IT IN THE STAND YOU ******!!!!!
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Ref was terrible but that shirt pull is a foul, and a stupid one at that. It was the right decision.
but as I said, there were plenty of things he let go later (for example the bailey penalty shout) that were far clearer fouls that were allowed to go. That was my point really, if the ref had bene super strict and given everything I'd have no issue with it but after disallowing that his threshold for free kicks went up maissively (for both teams) from then on.
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Amazing to think, he plays for actual Barcelona.
He doesn't much recently though. Fucked off to Spurs last season where he started 24 matches in a season they let in 63. (Although he was not starting in the 6-1 loss to Newcastle, the 4-1 loss to Leicester or the 4-3 loss to Liverpool).
Well, no, he doesn't when he's on loan, what I meant was - Barcelona actually signed him.
Probably because he looked decent when younger. His Sevilla side got to the quarters of the CL and his Barca side got to the Semi's but he was part of the defence that let in 4 at anfield in the second leg.
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When did he last play? I assume both Pau and Carlos were both injured?
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He was a last minute squad filler and a good pick up given his top level experience.
He's not as good as Mings or Torres that's clear but he's our 4th choice CB who's played for France and Barca. Go back two years and it was Hause with all due respect to him.
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Brain dead.
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We seem to get caught over the top quite often when he plays, in a way we don't seem to when Torres does.
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Can you imagine if it was big Tyrone with their winger just after we'd equalised? Ball and player would have been safely dispatched into the upper Witton.
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We seem to get caught over the top quite often when he plays, in a way we don't seem to when Torres does.
Saw a stat the other day showing our differing win percentages with and without Torres. Notably better with him.
I think he and Martinez are essential to how we play. Certainly missed them last night.
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If I never see him again in a Villa shirt, it will be too soon.
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We seem to get caught over the top quite often when he plays, in a way we don't seem to when Torres does.
Saw a stat the other day showing our differing win percentages with and without Torres. Notably better with him.
I think he and Martinez are essential to how we play. Certainly missed them last night.
Yep, they draw the press and find the pass much more consistently.
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How much are we paying this guy again? FML.
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If I never see him again in a Villa shirt, it will be too soon.
Yeah, he's a pale imitation of the real thing, like Aldi 'Norpack' butter against Lurpack.
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If I never see him again in a Villa shirt, it will be too soon.
Yeah, he's a pale imitation of the real thing, like Aldi 'Norpack' butter against Lurpack.
Lurpak, tsk! Kerrygold's where it's at.
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If I never see him again in a Villa shirt, it will be too soon.
Yeah, he's a pale imitation of the real thing, like Aldi 'Norpack' butter against Lurpack.
Lurpak, tsk! Kerrygold's where it's at.
Yeah, but Aldi don't do 'Jerrygold' to my knowledge so it falls down.
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He's not as good as Mings or Torres that's clear but he's our 4th choice CB who's played for France and Barca.
He hasn't played for France since 2021. Dayot Upamecano, Ibrahima Konaté, Lucas Hernandez, William Saliba, Axel Disasi are now ahead of him. But yes, he got 12 caps. :-)
Source : internet
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I will just put it here that it was Lenglets cross field pass that lead to the Diaby goal. Of course people might state a professional footballer should be able to do that, but some don't.
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It was a very good pass.
Trouble is, his main job is to defend.