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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on August 29, 2023, 06:38:47 PM
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The draw will take place on Wednesday, August 30, at the end of the second-round tie between Doncaster Rovers and Everton. It is expected to take place at around 10.15pm.
Time for predictions on who we'll be drawn against.
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Hopefully as easy as possible, Everton at home please.
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Manchester United (Away) is my guess
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Wrexham and we'll get to be on Disney
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Rapid Vienna.
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Blues
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Port Vale away
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Easy draw please.
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Wrexham and we'll get to be on Disney
Please!
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For anyone, like me, that hasn't paid attention to the competition until realising we enter it tomorrow, here is the second round draw
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Stevenage please.
I have a horrible feeling we'll have a trip to the Small Heath building site.
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Away to Stoke is my guess.
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Stevenage please.
I have a horrible feeling we'll have a trip to the Small Heath building site.
Yeah same here!
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Wolves at home.
I can feel it in my waters whatever that means!
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Chelsea at home please Bob.
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Wrexham and we'll get to be on Disney
Please!
Wrexham currently losing. Our Hollywood dream is over.
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Wrexham and we'll get to be on Disney
Please!
Wrexham currently losing. Our Hollywood dream is over.
Not if there's a Hollywood ending. *crosses fingers*
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An away game in the south east where the away end doesn't sell out.
Anyone know the date? I'm guessing Wed 27 Sep
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Man Utd (A) , standard. Put your house on it
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Mansfield at home, because I haven't seen them since the 70's
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Wrexham and we'll get to be on Disney
Please!
Wrexham currently losing. Our Hollywood dream is over.
Yeah, heard a huge roar from the Racecourse Ground earlier and thought the dream was coming true. Then they started singing Bradford songs and my heart sank.
Still time though. Still time.
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Stevenage please.
I have a horrible feeling we'll have a trip to the Small Heath building site.
Looking unlikely as things stand
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Stevenage equalise.
Our nightmare may yet return....Hertfordshires answer to Rapid Vienna.
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Looks like it won't be the rags....
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Looks like it won't be the rags....
Oh dear, what a pity, never mind.
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Stevenage please.
I have a horrible feeling we'll have a trip to the Small Heath building site.
Looking unlikely as things stand
Yes, Cardiff are 2 up.
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Stevenage please.
I have a horrible feeling we'll have a trip to the Small Heath building site.
Looking unlikely as things stand
Yes, Cardiff are 2 up.
Excellentė
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Sutton please, home or away.
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Wrexham and we'll get to be on Disney
Please!
Wrexham currently losing. Our Hollywood dream is over.
Yeah, heard a huge roar from the Racecourse Ground earlier and thought the dream was coming true. Then they started singing Bradford songs and my heart sank.
Still time though. Still time.
1-1 with only a few minutes left
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The 3rd round matches are the week starting September 25th. We've got Chelsea and Brighton either side of that.
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Small Heath are now free to concentrate on winning the Championship.
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Small Heath are now free to concentrate on winning the Championship.
Had a full side playing by the looks of it, shame
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Bye bye Spurs
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Stevenage go out on pens to Exeter.
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Wrexham and we'll get to be on Disney
Please!
Wrexham currently losing. Our Hollywood dream is over.
Yeah, heard a huge roar from the Racecourse Ground earlier and thought the dream was coming true. Then they started singing Bradford songs and my heart sank.
Still time though. Still time.
1-1 with only a few minutes left
Listening to the penalties from the front door :)
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Stevenage go out on pens to Exeter.
Sinisalo saved one. Making sure we didn't have to play them again.
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Wrexham and we'll get to be on Disney
Please!
Wrexham currently losing. Our Hollywood dream is over.
Yeah, heard a huge roar from the Racecourse Ground earlier and thought the dream was coming true. Then they started singing Bradford songs and my heart sank.
Still time though. Still time.
1-1 with only a few minutes left
Listening to the penalties from the front door :)
Bradford won 😔
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Stevenage go out on pens to Exeter.
Sinisalo saved one. Making sure we didn't have to play them again.
Exeter at home would be OK. Beat them 8-1 last time they came here.
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The draw will take place on Wednesday, August 30, at the end of the second-round tie between Doncaster Rovers and Everton. It is expected to take place at around 10.15pm.
Time for predictions on who we'll be drawn against.
Doncaster it is then
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Manure away. We all know it.
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Sheffield United at Villa Park.
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Dirty Leeds out after a 20 pen shoot out.
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Bye bye Spurs
Cup dream over for another year, they are hilarious
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Manure away. We all know it.
hope the club take the full 6000 allocation
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FULL-TIME
Salford 1-1 Dirty Leeds (9-8 pens)
Dirty Leeds' Shackleton hits the crossbar.
Salford have their second chance of this shootout to win.
Ashley... HIS KICK IS SAVED. But wait...
Darlow was off his line. It's going to be retaken. The keeper is booked as well.
Ashley hammers this one down the centre and Dirty Leeds are out!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/65933147
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3rd round sides, besides us
Man City
Arsenal
Newcastle
Liverpool
Man Utd
Brighton
West Ham
Middlesbrough
Port Vale
Mansfield
Stoke
Leicester
Wolves
Bradford
Salford
Bournemouth
Cardiff
Norwich
Exeter
Fulham
Luton
Brentford
Palace
Peterborough
Sutton
Ipswich
Harrogate/Blackburn
Forest/Burnley
Sheff Utd/Lincoln
Doncaster/Everton
Chelsea/Wimbledon
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Manure away. We all know it.
hope the club take the full 6000 allocation
think it 10% you are allowed so that should be 7400
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The 3rd round matches are the week starting September 25th. We've got Chelsea and Brighton either side of that.
Looking at the calendar for all competitions we'll have:
Thur 21st Sept - Conference
Sat 23rd Sept - Chelsea
Midweek - Carabao
Sat Sept 30th - Brighton
Thur Oct 5th - Conference
Sat Oct 7th - Wolves
I assume something will get moved there?
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It will be Sunday for those league games. But we will certainly be busy.
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The 3rd round matches are the week starting September 25th. We've got Chelsea and Brighton either side of that.
Looking at the calendar for all competitions we'll have:
Thur 21st Sept - Conference
Sat 23rd Sept - Chelsea
Midweek - Carabao
Sat Sept 30th - Brighton
Thur Oct 5th - Conference
Sat Oct 7th - Wolves
I assume something will get moved there?
Yes, the league games after the conference games to Sunday obvs.
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We'll get Chelsea at home
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This means the cup match will have to be on Wednesday.
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We'll draw Man City, of course we will.
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Man United away, nailed on!
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Blues
Unfortunately eliminated before we even join the competition ;D.
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We'll get Chelsea at home
That will be nice, beating Scumsea twice in a week.
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FULL-TIME
Salford 1-1 Dirty Leeds (9-8 pens)
Dirty Leeds' Shackleton hits the crossbar.
Salford have their second chance of this shootout to win.
Ashley... HIS KICK IS SAVED. But wait...
Darlow was off his line. It's going to be retaken. The keeper is booked as well.
Ashley hammers this one down the centre and Dirty Leeds are out!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/65933147
I think you may have slightly edited that ;D
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Why speculate going to be Man Utd away
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I reckon it'll be something really tricky and a pain in the arse to get to, like Palace away
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I reckon it'll be something really tricky and a pain in the arse to get to, like Palace away
Yes. If at this stage we are going to draw a PL rival I would rather it's a CL teams.
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I reckon it'll be something really tricky and a pain in the arse to get to, like Palace away
While on the Palace forum they’ll go “FFS Villa. We’re out”
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It's about time we started put our name on the League Cup again.
The whole of the 1975 final here. Watch from 1:31:00 for the best bit.
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We’ll get Newcastle Away.
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That side played some great football and it just continued to get better. What a loss Keith Leonard was, hard as nails with no little skill for a big bloke. Charlie Aitken was thirty-three-years-old playing in that match and was still lightening quick.
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We’ll get Newcastle Away.
And I’ll be washing my hair. I cannot face that road trip so soon, especially for an evening KO
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Everton at home please. We will smash them again to such an extent that we will be in round 4 and we will be awarded 3 league points.
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I bet we get one of the teams we're playing the weekends either side of this. Chelsea or Brighton, I think.
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I reckon it'll be something really tricky and a pain in the arse to get to, like Palace away
Still wouldn't be enough away tickets for me to get one.
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It's about time we started put our name on the League Cup again.
The whole of the 1975 final here. Watch from 1:31:00 for the best bit.
Clicked thinking it was the live draw!
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I wish they’d get on with it, I have a 5am start tomorrow so I need my bed!
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I wish they’d get on with it, I have a 5am start tomorrow so I need my bed!
Ditto 4 a.m. GET ON WITH IT! No-one gives a toss about Rangers...
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Home vs Everton.
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Fucking hell, this is painful listening to these.
Home versus Everton
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Everton at home
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Excellent!
A bye.
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A battle of the B teams.
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Ahh Everton
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Excellent!
A bye.
Chuckles.
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You can Imagine a huge "ffs" on Merseyside
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Missed Man Utd by one ball!
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No better for them to go out to a premier league team than against lower league oppo.
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A battle of the B teams.
I reckon our B team would give their best XI a beating.
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We're going to have a very busy few weeks around this game. I wouldn't be too cocky about it, but if things continue as they are for both teams we should be fine.
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Everton at home please. We will smash them again to such an extent that we will be in round 4 and we will be awarded 3 league points.
fucking gorgeous
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Hmm. I know they were incredibly poor this evening but this prospect doesn't thrill me...
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Hmm. I know they were incredibly poor this evening but this prospect doesn't thrill me...
They've got nothing to live for these days, a wounded animal and all that.
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We're going to have a very busy few weeks around this game. I wouldn't be too cocky about it, but if things continue as they are for both teams we should be fine.
Nah fuck that.
We could field a Villa XI made up H&V posters and still get past Everton.
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Some good ties. Villa vs Everton, Newcastle vs Man City, Chelsea vs Brighton, Brentford vs Arsenal. Happy enough with our tie.
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They will be petrified coming to Villa Park. Emery will take it seriously.
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Hopefully as easy as possible, Everton at home please.
I also predict that we'll go through against Hibs tomorrow. See if I'm on a roll. 8)
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We're going to have a very busy few weeks around this game. I wouldn't be too cocky about it, but if things continue as they are for both teams we should be fine.
Nah fuck that.
We could field a Villa XI made up H&V posters and still get past Everton.
bagsy playing in the hole
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Just reading Dyche's post match comments, he says he told his players at half time that the journos are all waiting for them to lose. Top tier management like that is hard to plan against.
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Decent draw and some competition for the trophy will certainly go out with those ties.
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We're going to have a very busy few weeks around this game. I wouldn't be too cocky about it, but if things continue as they are for both teams we should be fine.
Nah fuck that.
We could field a Villa XI made up H&V posters and still get past Everton.
bagsy playing in the hole
Lots of competition on the left wing.
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Couldn’t have gone much better. A few clubs we wouldn’t want to face going out for definite.
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Can I be left back? In the dressing room.
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We're going to have a very busy few weeks around this game. I wouldn't be too cocky about it, but if things continue as they are for both teams we should be fine.
Nah fuck that.
We could field a Villa XI made up H&V posters and still get past Everton.
bagsy playing in the hole
We’d have no shortage of left wingers.
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Just reading Dyche's post match comments, he says he told his players at half time that the journos are all waiting for them to lose. Top tier management like that is hard to plan against.
I'm sure it was followed by a rolling up the sleeves type comment, or need a bit of magic. In his shit croaky voice.
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We're going to have a very busy few weeks around this game. I wouldn't be too cocky about it, but if things continue as they are for both teams we should be fine.
Nah fuck that.
We could field a Villa XI made up H&V posters and still get past Everton.
bagsy playing in the hole
We’d have no shortage of left wingers.
Given some of the fuckers we've banned there are a few that could play on the other flank too.
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Bet Everton will bring a few and get the north stand so us in there will be bumped elsewhere.
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Ipswich Town v Wolverhampton Wanderers
Exeter City v Luton Town
Aston Villa v Everton
Manchester United v Crystal Palace
Port Vale v Sutton United
Bradford City v Middlesbrough
Bournemouth v Stoke City
Lincoln City v West Ham United
Brentford v Arsenal
Chelsea v Brighton & Hove Albion
Salford City v Burnley
Fulham v Norwich City
Blackburn Rovers v Cardiff City
Liverpool v Leicester City
Newcastle United v Manchester City
Mansfield Town v Peterborough United
Ties to be played week commencing 25th September 2023.
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This putative H&V XI...I'd love to be the star man, and I'd definitely be the best out of everyone ever, but I'll be on nights down the VII XI. I'd have brought thousands too.
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We're going to have a very busy few weeks around this game. I wouldn't be too cocky about it, but if things continue as they are for both teams we should be fine.
Make your mind up. You quite rightly said we’d funeral them in the other thread.
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A good few all PL ties there, which is always good to see (if you can get through without me).
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Could have been a bit more of an easier draw, but not bad all things considered. Hopefully Newcastle can take care of Manchester City and there wouldn't really be anyone left to fear.
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Everton will be passed off.
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1977 and all that
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We're going to have a very busy few weeks around this game. I wouldn't be too cocky about it, but if things continue as they are for both teams we should be fine.
Make your mind up. You quite rightly said we’d funeral them in the other thread.
I was joking because I'd said previously they couldn't score in a brothel and then they scored 2. On paper, and current form, we absolutely should beat them soundly, but there's a lot of football to be pkayed between now and then.
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Home draw and not playing Man Utd. I mean (for us) that’s good right?
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Take it seriously and get the job done. They’re a PL club still and we respect them as such. Emery knows what to do.
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Yanited drawn at home in a domestic cup for the ELEVENTH consecutive time.
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Yanited drawn at home in a domestic cup for the ELEVENTH consecutive time.
Yeah and no doubt televised as they all bloody are, whoever they play.
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Guess I would take that.
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Yanited drawn at home in a domestic cup for the ELEVENTH consecutive time.
Seriously, my bad maths makes that a 1 in 2048 chance
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All in the luck of the draw.
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Yanited drawn at home in a domestic cup for the ELEVENTH consecutive time.
Seriously, my bad maths makes that a 1 in 2048 chance
Correct, it's also 15 home draws out of the last 16 and the odds on that are 1 in 4096.
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Yanited drawn at home in a domestic cup for the ELEVENTH consecutive time.
Seriously, my bad maths makes that a 1 in 2048 chance
Well, we had 10 consecutive home cup ties in a row between 2013 and 2015 (excluding the FA Cup semi and final).
Rotherham
Spurs
Sheffield Utd
Leyton Orient
Blackpool
Bournemouth
Leicester City
West Brom
Notts County
Blues
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Just reading Dyche's post match comments, he says he told his players at half time that the journos are all waiting for them to lose. Top tier management like that is hard to plan against.
Plus the bullshit from the football analysts after
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View from the opposition
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/carabao-cup-2023-24.118243
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Everton at home please. We will smash them again to such an extent that we will be in round 4 and we will be awarded 3 league points.
Correct
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They are not very complimentary about, our Ash
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They are not very complimentary about, our Ash
Think he's going to bear the brunt of a lot of frustration there. The Evertonians I know hate their squad on a level that I hated ours in the relegation season. They could have McGrath reincarnated and they'd say he was shit.
They're going down this season. Hate to say it because I quite like Everton, but they're us in 15/16.
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Maybe this Beto chap will prove to be their 2015 Benteke and keel them up?
Scored on his debut for them.
If we take it seriously, we should be too good for Everton. Lots of the other better teams have tricky ties, so you never know. Also, Chelsea seem to be playing the kids, so could get knocked out.
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Maybe this Beto chap will prove to be their 2015 Benteke and keel them up?
Scored on his debut for them.
They didn't really create any chances for themselves until Beto came on last night. And I don't recall them having that many against us either. Maybe he can be a one man band but seems like they're asking an awful lot of one person.
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Maybe this Beto chap will prove to be their 2015 Benteke and keel them up?
Scored on his debut for them.
Until he leaves and they go down the next season
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A lot of football to be played between now and the actual game. They could have an upturn in form, we could do the opposite.
Nice to have a home draw against an opponent we have beaten already this season, we will be favourites to go through.
But take nothing for granted, should be a good atmosphere
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Oh I’m taking a comfortable win for granted.
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I'd be disappointed if we don't smash them into the back of next week. If we have to have an all Premier League tie then it's the easiest one.
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By the time we play them they’ll have the new manager bounce.
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Can we borrow the Austrians' YOUR NIGHTMARE RETURNS banner for this one?
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They need a good relegation. I suspect with a progressive managerial appointment they would then come back up.
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They need a good relegation. I suspect with a progressive managerial appointment they would then come back up.
Nobody needs a good relegation, especially not them. They're struggling to pay for their stadium as it is, a year or however long on reduced income isn't going to help with that. As every relegated team finds out, their better players would be sold and have to be replaced on the cheap. Relegation is never, ever a good idea.
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They need a good relegation. I suspect with a progressive managerial appointment they would then come back up.
Nobody needs a good relegation, especially not them. They're struggling to pay for their stadium as it is, a year or however long on reduced income isn't going to help with that. As every relegated team finds out, their better players would be sold and have to be replaced on the cheap. Relegation is never, ever a good idea.
It would be for Small Heath.
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They need a good relegation. I suspect with a progressive managerial appointment they would then come back up.
I see a potential issue with this scenario, and suspect at that point they'll be appointing someone with a 'proven track record of promotion' and a commitment to putting boots on and sleeve rolling up.
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They need a good relegation. I suspect with a progressive managerial appointment they would then come back up.
Nobody needs a good relegation, especially not them. They're struggling to pay for their stadium as it is, a year or however long on reduced income isn't going to help with that. As every relegated team finds out, their better players would be sold and have to be replaced on the cheap. Relegation is never, ever a good idea.
I can kind of see what he means though. For example, would Sir Graham have come if we were in the same division as Watford? I reckoned he fancied the challenge of getting us back up.
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They need a good relegation. I suspect with a progressive managerial appointment they would then come back up.
Nobody needs a good relegation, especially not them. They're struggling to pay for their stadium as it is, a year or however long on reduced income isn't going to help with that. As every relegated team finds out, their better players would be sold and have to be replaced on the cheap. Relegation is never, ever a good idea.
I can kind of see what he means though. For example, would Sir Graham have come if we were in the same division as Watford? I reckoned he fancied the challenge of getting us back up.
Different times though, back then you could get relegated because of a couple of injuries to key players but it wouldn't mean you'd have to decimate your side and start again.
In this case, as Risso points out, they've got so much to fork out for still that relegation could finish them. The stadium funding is still not in place to finish it (you usually have these things in place before you start building) and they're on the hook for about £300m to put the site back as it was if they can't.
This is without having a bogging squad and a shit manager.
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More sob on the Tyne. The tie of the round due to someone not knowing their abc’s. Have a closer look.
Perhaps they went in order of how they pronounce the names; Naaaaarwich & Nuuuuuuuuucastle.
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They won’t go down. How can there possibly be a big city with one top PL club and a second division club with shit colours and a building site for a stadium.
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They won’t go down. How can there possibly be a big city with one top PL club and a second division club with shit colours and a building site for a stadium.
Yes but they're at a massive disadvantage as they don't 'carry the name of the city', the essential element of any civic of footballing success.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4xW0VzWEAAbM9s?format=webp&name=small)
More sob on the Tyne. The tie of the round due to someone not knowing their abc’s. Have a closer look.
Perhaps they went in order of how they pronounce the names; Naaaaarwich & Nuuuuuuuuucastle.
is that right?! or were newcastle actually ball 19 and norwich 20 and it's a misprint on the table?
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If you'd asked me beforehand what would be the most boring draw imaginable for Villa IMV then H to Everton would probably have been it
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They won’t go down. How can there possibly be a big city with one top PL club and a second division club with shit colours and a building site for a stadium.
Yes but they're at a massive disadvantage as they don't 'carry the name of the city', the essential element of any civic of footballing success.
But do they drink in town though?
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They need a good relegation. I suspect with a progressive managerial appointment they would then come back up.
Nobody needs a good relegation, especially not them. They're struggling to pay for their stadium as it is, a year or however long on reduced income isn't going to help with that. As every relegated team finds out, their better players would be sold and have to be replaced on the cheap. Relegation is never, ever a good idea.
I can kind of see what he means though. For example, would Sir Graham have come if we were in the same division as Watford? I reckoned he fancied the challenge of getting us back up.
The financial disparity now between the Premier League and the Championship, compared to Division 1 and 2 of the same league 30 odd years ago, is like night and day.
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They need a good relegation. I suspect with a progressive managerial appointment they would then come back up.
Nobody needs a good relegation, especially not them. They're struggling to pay for their stadium as it is, a year or however long on reduced income isn't going to help with that. As every relegated team finds out, their better players would be sold and have to be replaced on the cheap. Relegation is never, ever a good idea.
I can kind of see what he means though. For example, would Sir Graham have come if we were in the same division as Watford? I reckoned he fancied the challenge of getting us back up.
The financial disparity now between the Premier League and the Championship, compared to Division 1 and 2 of the same league 30 odd years ago, is like night and day.
I think relegation for any "established" premier league club could easily spell genuine disaster. For every club like us that manages to get back relatively quickly, and re-establish itself in the top flight, there is a Sheffield Wednesday, or a Leeds, who spend a decade or more in the wilderness, and then struggle to re-establish themselves if they're ever fortunate enough to get a shot at being back.
We avoided catastrophe very narrowly, I didn't realise how close we were at the time. Missing out on promotion to the premier league should be the worst thing that could happen to a club like we were in 2018, but honestly, us losing the play-off final to Fulham has subsequently turned out to be the best thing to happen to this club in 20 years - and it keeps getting better. So who knows, a relegation might prove good for Everton in the long run, but I very much doubt it.
I wouldn't wish a relegation on my worst enemy (well, except about half a dozen clubs I really dislike, Everton not being one of them)
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1977 and all that
Villa - Everton is one of four previous finals drawn out already in this season’s competition.
Tranmere v Leicester and Bolton v Middlesbrough both went the way of same team that won the finals so we could be in for a long night!
Newcastle v Man City is the fourth.
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A lot of football to be played between now and the actual game. They could have an upturn in form, we could do the opposite.
Nice to have a home draw against an opponent we have beaten already this season, we will be favourites to go through.
But take nothing for granted, should be a good atmosphere
They don't seem that confident on GOT :
"This Villa tie will fall between our games v West Ham (A) and Brighton (H).
Villa have Luton (H) then Forest (A).
We're as good as out."
They're wrong about the dates there. We have Chelsea and Brighton either side. They have Brentford and Luton. Probably still correct with their prediction though.
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They're wrong about the dates there. We have Chelsea and Brighton either side. They have Brentford and Luton. Probably still correct with their prediction though.
Yes, realised they'd made a mistake so I deleted the post. Even their forum is a shambles atm.
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I see this has been confirmed for Wednesday, September 27th at 19:45.
So that's:
(A) Legia Warsaw Sept21st (Thur)
(A) Chelsea Sept24th (Sun)
(H) Everton Sept 27th (Wed)
(H) Brighton Sept 30th (Sat)
(H) Zrinjski Oct 5th (Thur)
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The Fulham home, Bournemouth away and Brentford away games will obviously get moved as well.
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Damari Gray has made a bit of a tit of himself.
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I see this has been confirmed for Wednesday, September 27th at 19:45.
So that's:
(A) Legia Warsaw Sept21st (Thur)
(A) Chelsea Sept24th (Sun)
(H) Everton Sept 27th (Wed)
(H) Brighton Sept 30th (Sat)
(H) Zrinjski Oct 5th (Thur)
That schedule underlines how we needed to be thinking about requiring a much bigger, more powerful squad.
5 matches in 14 days.
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Just hope Carlos and Moreno are back and Dendonker is up to speed by then too. Might have to play him at centre back at some point.
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I see this has been confirmed for Wednesday, September 27th at 19:45.
So that's:
(A) Legia Warsaw Sept21st (Thur)
(A) Chelsea Sept24th (Sun)
(H) Everton Sept 27th (Wed)
(H) Brighton Sept 30th (Sat)
(H) Zrinjski Oct 5th (Thur)
That schedule underlines how we needed to be thinking about requiring a much bigger, more powerful squad.
5 matches in 14 days.
It's funny, not that long ago I remember posting two completely different starting 11s and talking about how technically we could field two completely different teams between competitions, and still be competitive. I'm not sure we could do that now.
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Turns out we could still name 2 starting 11s, when Moreno and Ramsey are back, numbers wise anyway. Not sure there's a way of making them 2 functioning competive lineups though.....
Martinez Olsen
Cash Chambers
Konsa Carlos
Pau Lenglay
Digne Moreno
Diaby Bailey
McGinn Kamara
Luiz Zaniolo
Tielemans Ramsey
Donk Kellyman
Watkins Durán
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I see this has been confirmed for Wednesday, September 27th at 19:45.
So that's:
(A) Legia Warsaw Sept21st (Thur)
(A) Chelsea Sept24th (Sun)
(H) Everton Sept 27th (Wed)
(H) Brighton Sept 30th (Sat)
(H) Zrinjski Oct 5th (Thur)
That schedule underlines how we needed to be thinking about requiring a much bigger, more powerful squad.
5 matches in 14 days.
Duran, Dendoncker, Bert (if fit), Chambers will all start if fit in league cup. Hopefully Moreno and maybe even Ramsey will be o.k by then as ideal game to give them 60 minutes to get up to speed.
Guess it's a bit like the O'Neill years now. We know some of the backup players are capable to come in after months of inactivity given Traore winning us the game with that brilliant goal at Leicester and Donk being great v Newcastle but 4-5 of them thrown into the starting 11 together at same time is the question mark.
That said Everton have Luton at home on the following Saturday so goes without saying that is a monumental must win for them (especially for Dyche) so they will be putting out a second string themselves and we know how bad their regular 11 is.
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Turns out we could still name 2 starting 11s, when Moreno and Ramsey are back, numbers wise anyway. Not sure there's a way of making them 2 functioning competive lineups though.....
Martinez Olsen
Cash Chambers
Konsa Carlos
Pau Lenglay
Digne Moreno
Diaby Bailey
McGinn Kamara
Luiz Zaniolo
Tielemans Ramsey/Kellyman
Watkins Durán
You could add an 11th player?
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Turns out we could still name 2 starting 11s, when Moreno and Ramsey are back, numbers wise anyway. Not sure there's a way of making them 2 functioning competive lineups though.....
Martinez Olsen
Cash Chambers
Konsa Carlos
Pau Lenglay
Digne Moreno
Diaby Bailey
McGinn Kamara
Luiz Zaniolo
Tielemans Ramsey/Kellyman
Watkins Durán
You could add an 11th player?
There is 11 on the 2nd one. Added Donk to the 1st.
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We'll only need ten to beat Everton, anyway.
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We'll only need ten to beat Everton, anyway.
Agent Young is the 11th man for that one.
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So if you add in Bert as no 23 and Tim as 24 we don't actually have such a bad squad numbers wise.
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£36.50 for the League Cup 3rd round is clearly a typing error. Best not to buy until that’s corrected.
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The pricing for this game is disgusting.
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how do you know its 36.50 , not showing on my ticket page yet ?
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/06/Everton-ticket-details-carabao-cup/
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I’m ok I get my under 18 inches discount.
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Everton have asked for full allocation so they have the North Stand. Not clear where S/T holders will be re-allocated and how much they’ll pay.
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They have been given the entire North Stand too.
£38.50 in zone 1, club is fucking us over slowly but surely
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Wasn’t going to bother going to this and after seeing the pricing that has made my mind up. Looks like it will be TNT for the Europa Conference League games too if the prices are the same.
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£36.50?? I'm not trying to buy cocaine.
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Jesus.
Was thinking of going to this. Not for not far off 40 quid though.
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Have the club not realised there's 3 home games in 8 days starting with this, and people just can't do all. If I was choosing only one to attend it would definitely be the Bosnian team as its a novelty, we've only just played Everton and they're crap anyway.
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Having worked out how to get back from London train wise, in a reasonable time for the match I find out they want to shaft me for £36.50. Every day these days, I feel like someone is trying to pick my pocket. I know I'll end up going, but it's a bit annoying.
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Having worked out how to get back from London train wise, in a reasonable time for the match I find out they want to shaft me for £36.50. Every day these days, I feel like someone is trying to pick my pocket. I know I'll end up going, but it's a bit annoying.
Think you've got problems - this site keeps trying to sell me ModiBodi underware for women.
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£3.65 would be nearer the mark for this particular match!!
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Having worked out how to get back from London train wise, in a reasonable time for the match I find out they want to shaft me for £36.50. Every day these days, I feel like someone is trying to pick my pocket. I know I'll end up going, but it's a bit annoying.
Think you've got problems - this site keeps trying to sell me ModiBodi underware for women.
You need to install Ad Block.
I've never seen an ad on this site.
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Having worked out how to get back from London train wise, in a reasonable time for the match I find out they want to shaft me for £36.50. Every day these days, I feel like someone is trying to pick my pocket. I know I'll end up going, but it's a bit annoying.
Think you've got problems - this site keeps trying to sell me ModiBodi underware for women.
You need to install Ad Block.
I've never seen an ad on this site.
Does this work on iPads? The adverts on here are driving me insane
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IMO another misreading of the situation by the club. Seems to be happening a lot at the moment.
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Having worked out how to get back from London train wise, in a reasonable time for the match I find out they want to shaft me for £36.50. Every day these days, I feel like someone is trying to pick my pocket. I know I'll end up going, but it's a bit annoying.
Think you've got problems - this site keeps trying to sell me ModiBodi underware for women.
You need to install Ad Block.
I've never seen an ad on this site.
Does this work on iPads? The adverts on here are driving me insane
Or sign back up to GM and then you won't get adverts on this site and still feel you are contributing to its upkeep.
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I’ve never seen an ad here either and I’m far too dumb in these matters to install anything.
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Having worked out how to get back from London train wise, in a reasonable time for the match I find out they want to shaft me for £36.50. Every day these days, I feel like someone is trying to pick my pocket. I know I'll end up going, but it's a bit annoying.
Think you've got problems - this site keeps trying to sell me ModiBodi underware for women.
You need to install Ad Block.
I've never seen an ad on this site.
Does this work on iPads? The adverts on here are driving me insane
Or sign back up to GM and then you won't get adverts on this site and still feel you are contributing to its upkeep.
I think do have GM? I paid some money at some point, and then I did again? I have access to the secret boards where Unai posts his tactics the day before...
Have I said too much?
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If you're a GM, go to profile > modify profile > look & feel then there's a Golden Muppet theme that removes the adverts.
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36.50 is an absolute pisstake , and the club are using this so called waiting list as an excuse to justify these prices , at this rate they wont need to build new stand !! now theirs a thought , i wondered why it aint gone ahead yet , ffs jokers
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Increasing disconnect evident between those that run the club and the support. New COO has a big job ahead.
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Asked on the Fleecing thread - but how much are ethe Everton fans paying?
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Asked on the Fleecing thread - but how much are ethe Everton fans paying?
£15 was mentioned on Twatter
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Asked on the Fleecing thread - but how much are ethe Everton fans paying?
£15 was mentioned on Twatter
That can't be right. Who sets their price , Villa or Everton ?
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I've got an Everton mate who goes home and away so i'll ask the question
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If they had been £20 i would have gone but £30 is too much
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fans should boycott the league cup games as a principal , owners are taking the piss now and still silence on when this imaginary stand will start to be built , oh yeh they are waiting for a council that is 1 billion in the hole to do a train station first ffs jokets
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I've got an Everton mate who goes home and away so i'll ask the question
Voluntarily?
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The more successful a club becomes the more expensive it will be to go and watch them. The more upwardly mobile Villa become the prices are going to reflect that.
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we are not a london club or a north west tourist club , we are a middle income working fan base on the whole yet we are being charged top dollar
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I've got an Everton mate who goes home and away so i'll ask the question
Voluntarily?
he's not right in the head mate
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we are not a london club or a north west tourist club , we are a middle income working fan base on the whole yet we are being charged top dollar
So you'd be happy flitting around tenth, eleventh, twelfth spot then? Because that's the best that will happen keeping things on the low-level and no matter how many billions our owners may have they're not going to continue playing sugar daddy to Aston Villa for no hint of a return. These people are billionaires for a reason, not footballing philanthropists.
FWIW, I would find it difficult to justify paying that on a regular basis so that is one benefit I have of not living in Birmingham because not being able to watch the Villa would send me into the depths of despair. It's the way football is today, those that can afford it will pay, ever thus.
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Just heard back from Merseyside . No announcements made yet Everton end re their tickets.
As you were.
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I know it's about more than just ticket pricing for some people but is it really such a bad thing if some people who usually go to every single game in a season have to miss a couple of cup games, which then allows people who don't usually get to go to games to get tickets? Maybe people willing to pay £35 for a ticket are willing because they know they'll only get to two or three games, but it doesn't make them any less of a supporter.
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Who thinks those who go to 1 or 2 games are lesser fans? U think you misunderstand the motivations of people who go to every game, hence why missing a few would be bad.
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Who thinks those who go to 1 or 2 games are lesser fans? U think you misunderstand the motivations of people who go to every game, hence why missing a few would be bad.
There's plenty of posts claiming that the working man is being pushed out to make way for casual supporters, or "rich" people with cash to burn. I know not everyone thinks that way, and some people just want to be able to go to all the games and now can't afford it. But the implication from a lot of posts is that somehow the people willing to pay the new prices are somehow wrong for doing so, and where were they when we were in the Championship etc. etc.
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Asked on the Fleecing thread - but how much are ethe Everton fans paying?
£15 was mentioned on Twatter
That can't be right. Who sets their price , Villa or Everton ?
Villa, but Everton can subsidise them.
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I know it's about more than just ticket pricing for some people but is it really such a bad thing if some people who usually go to every single game in a season have to miss a couple of cup games, which then allows people who don't usually get to go to games to get tickets? Maybe people willing to pay £35 for a ticket are willing because they know they'll only get to two or three games, but it doesn't make them any less of a supporter.
A matchday ticket for Palace in the Doug Ellis is £65?
So it's a bit of a bargain for non season ticket holders.
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I know it's about more than just ticket pricing for some people but is it really such a bad thing if some people who usually go to every single game in a season have to miss a couple of cup games, which then allows people who don't usually get to go to games to get tickets? Maybe people willing to pay £35 for a ticket are willing because they know they'll only get to two or three games, but it doesn't make them any less of a supporter.
A matchday ticket for Palace in the Doug Ellis is £65?
So it's a bit of a bargain for non season ticket holders.
But this isn't EPL. It will be 2 fringe teams playing i'd imagine , the likes of Olsen and Chambers and god knows what dregs Everton will throw up
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I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but does anyone know if it shows on your account if you enrolled on cup ticket scheme? I can't see any evidence of it anywhere
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As Everton have the north stand where I sit, I’m actually pleased I can get tickets in the wings of the trinity for the same price I would have paid.
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I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but does anyone know if it shows on your account if you enrolled on cup ticket scheme? I can't see any evidence of it anywhere
Log into your account, look for a link that says you have an alert. If you have enrolled into the cup scheme; it will give you a link to pay/download ticket. 👍👍
Just done that on mine, with no trouble😀😀
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£25-£30 a pop and the place would have been rocking.
I can Everton with their swelled numbers in the stands taking us to penalties or even nicking it. Massive own goal by the club.
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I can Everton with their swelled numbers in the stands taking us to penalties or even nicking it.
It doesn't seem to work too well in front of 35,000 of their own fans every other week so not sure it would here.
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I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but does anyone know if it shows on your account if you enrolled on cup ticket scheme? I can't see any evidence of it anywhere
Log into your account, look for a link that says you have an alert. If you have enrolled into the cup scheme; it will give you a link to pay/download ticket. 👍👍
Just done that on mine, with no trouble😀😀
Cheers Derbs..... £38.50!!?
I'm actually having second thoughts tbh... Do I want to send a message to the club that its fine to charge that ludicrous sum, when we would have had this match for free last season (*on a cheaper season ticket too!).
Question is, will season ticket holders who don't attend get stung on ticket allocation if we make it to Wembley?
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Just heard back from Merseyside . No announcements made yet Everton end re their tickets.
As you were.
I just bought 3 and wasn't allowed to purchase my seats in UNS. Obviously that end is not available. Luckily I was able to buy more expensive seats in Trinity. Happy days. :D
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I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but does anyone know if it shows on your account if you enrolled on cup ticket scheme? I can't see any evidence of it anywhere
Log into your account, look for a link that says you have an alert. If you have enrolled into the cup scheme; it will give you a link to pay/download ticket. 👍👍
Just done that on mine, with no trouble😀😀
Cheers Derbs..... £38.50!!?
I'm actually having second thoughts tbh... Do I want to send a message to the club that its fine to charge that ludicrous sum, when we would have had this match for free last season (*on a cheaper season ticket too!).
Question is, will season ticket holders who don't attend get stung on ticket allocation if we make it to Wembley?
Yep, think it does count towards tickets for future rounds.
You can’t win😩😩 :-[
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I know it's about more than just ticket pricing for some people but is it really such a bad thing if some people who usually go to every single game in a season have to miss a couple of cup games, which then allows people who don't usually get to go to games to get tickets? Maybe people willing to pay £35 for a ticket are willing because they know they'll only get to two or three games, but it doesn't make them any less of a supporter.
A matchday ticket for Palace in the Doug Ellis is £65?
So it's a bit of a bargain for non season ticket holders.
But this isn't EPL. It will be 2 fringe teams playing i'd imagine , the likes of Olsen and Chambers and god knows what dregs Everton will throw up
Given the size of our waiting list, I have no doubt that we will fill those seats though.
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The more successful a club becomes the more expensive it will be to go and watch them. The more upwardly mobile Villa become the prices are going to reflect that.
we are not a london club or a north west tourist club , we are a middle income working fan base on the whole yet we are being charged top dollar
I think Dave's point still stands.
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I think we should go with a strong line-up for this, considering the rest of the draw. It could really open up in the next round.
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I know it's about more than just ticket pricing for some people but is it really such a bad thing if some people who usually go to every single game in a season have to miss a couple of cup games, which then allows people who don't usually get to go to games to get tickets? Maybe people willing to pay £35 for a ticket are willing because they know they'll only get to two or three games, but it doesn't make them any less of a supporter.
A matchday ticket for Palace in the Doug Ellis is £65?
So it's a bit of a bargain for non season ticket holders.
But this isn't EPL. It will be 2 fringe teams playing i'd imagine , the likes of Olsen and Chambers and god knows what dregs Everton will throw up
Given the size of our waiting list, I have no doubt that we will fill those seats though.
Team strengths on both sides may well be halved but so will the cost of a ticket and BE is right, these tickets will go to very willing people on the waiting list.
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The prices haven’t been halved, they’re about 20% cheaper than the Brighton game. Half price would have been about the right level for the League Cup 3rd round.
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The more successful a club becomes the more expensive it will be to go and watch them. The more upwardly mobile Villa become the prices are going to reflect that.
we are not a london club or a north west tourist club , we are a middle income working fan base on the whole yet we are being charged top dollar
I think Dave's point still stands.
Agreed. My uncle and I were thinking of heading over for the Everton game, as a cup tie to get into the last 16 appealed to me more than a regular Pl game against say, Palace. The cost of the match tickets (which I think are reasonable) didn't come into it, but the fact that the Holiday Inn in the city centre was £336 for the (Tuesday) night definitely did.
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The cost of the match tickets (which I think are reasonable) didn't come into it, but the fact that the Holiday Inn in the city centre was £336 for the (Tuesday) night definitely did.
The sight loss charities are getting together for their annual humding (Visionary Annual Conference, 27 and 28 September 2023) so centre hotels are expensive. HH Express at Star City may be more reasonable.
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I know it's about more than just ticket pricing for some people but is it really such a bad thing if some people who usually go to every single game in a season have to miss a couple of cup games, which then allows people who don't usually get to go to games to get tickets? Maybe people willing to pay £35 for a ticket are willing because they know they'll only get to two or three games, but it doesn't make them any less of a supporter.
A matchday ticket for Palace in the Doug Ellis is £65?
So it's a bit of a bargain for non season ticket holders.
But this isn't EPL. It will be 2 fringe teams playing i'd imagine , the likes of Olsen and Chambers and god knows what dregs Everton will throw up
Apparently they're getting Danny Cadamarteri out of retirement and as a gift to Villa fans, also asking Carl Tiler, who represented both clubs, how his fitness is currently.
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I know it's about more than just ticket pricing for some people but is it really such a bad thing if some people who usually go to every single game in a season have to miss a couple of cup games, which then allows people who don't usually get to go to games to get tickets? Maybe people willing to pay £35 for a ticket are willing because they know they'll only get to two or three games, but it doesn't make them any less of a supporter.
A matchday ticket for Palace in the Doug Ellis is £65?
So it's a bit of a bargain for non season ticket holders.
But this isn't EPL. It will be 2 fringe teams playing i'd imagine , the likes of Olsen and Chambers and god knows what dregs Everton will throw up
Apparently they're getting Danny Cadamarteri out of retirement and as a gift to Villa fans, also asking Carl Tiler, who represented both clubs, how his fitness is currently.
Was going to say Adrian Heath always has his boots with him too, except juist seen he's manager of Minnesota in the MLS.
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is Mike Pejic available
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No.
Neither is Pat Heard.
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When's the ST deadline?
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Heard back from my Everton contact
£30.50 / £32.50 in the away end
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The Everton website you mean?
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The Everton website you mean?
Tony from Liverpool
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When's the ST deadline?
Anybody? Cant find on OS
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When's the ST deadline?
Anybody? Cant find on OS
Think it’s Monday 18th
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When's the ST deadline?
Anybody? Cant find on OS
Best I can find
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/06/Everton-ticket-details-carabao-cup/?sc_src=email_4817798&sc_lid=489627209&sc_uid=eetbSaqt7P&sc_llid=6883&sc_customer=eb882ac7-e644-406c-b4d4-67c5e69e2573
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When's the ST deadline?
Anybody? Cant find on OS
Think it’s Monday 18th
yes, found it
Season Ticket holders (with the exception of those in the North Stand) have until 5pm on Monday, September 18 to claim their season ticket seats for this match
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Thanks chaps
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When's the ST deadline?
Anybody? Cant find on OS
Think it’s Monday 18th
yes, found it
Season Ticket holders (with the exception of those in the North Stand) have until 5pm on Monday, September 18 to claim their season ticket seats for this match
So what the crack for season ticket holders in the North Stsnd?
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I'm a bit confused, I'm a season ticket holder who was planning on skipping this game, as such I didn't purchase my seat or any other for this game.
However I have woke up this morning to an email saying thank you for your purchase and they have taken £36.00 out my account.
Any ideas what's going on here? Am I on some auto purchase scheme I didn't know about?
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I'm a bit confused, I'm a season ticket holder who was planning on skipping this game, as such I didn't purchase my seat or any other for this game.
However I have woke up this morning to an email saying thank you for your purchase and they have taken £36.00 out my account.
Any ideas what's going on here? Am I on some auto purchase scheme I didn't know about?
Same here. And a mate has had it happen too. What’s going on?!
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Are you in the Cup scheme? My seat is unavailable on the website, but I can't remember whether I'm in it or not...
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I can't remember if I'm in the cup scheme or not either tbh.
If you are does that mean you automatically purchase all home cup games including the European ones?
Is there any way to take yourself out the cup scheme now?
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I'm a bit confused, I'm a season ticket holder who was planning on skipping this game, as such I didn't purchase my seat or any other for this game.
However I have woke up this morning to an email saying thank you for your purchase and they have taken £36.00 out my account.
Any ideas what's going on here? Am I on some auto purchase scheme I didn't know about?
Me too and I am definitely not in any form of cup scheme. I mean I was planning to go to the game anyway, so I guess this has saved me some admin, but still. Bit sneaky of them to assume.
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I’m not in the cup scheme, yet they’ve debited my account for two tickets for me and my son.
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Same here. I've been charged and so have my friends next to me.
We're lower TR
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Few people on twitter (or whatever it's called this week) saying the same.
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Same here. Was going to go to the game anyway and was going to buy a ticket over the weekend before the deadline, but technically this is an unauthorised transaction.
I'm pissed off: it's the principle!
What's going on? Hope this is a one off!
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AVFCSupport replied to my Twitter DM saying that I'm in the Cup Scheme (news to me). They will cancel the purchase
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To be sure you won’t get automatically charged for any further cup games, you need to take yourself off the cup scheme.
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To be sure you won’t get automatically charged for any further cup games, you need to take yourself off the cup scheme.
I didn't know I was in the scheme and can't see anything about it online.
Do you know where the info is contained in the online account ?
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To be sure you won’t get automatically charged for any further cup games, you need to take yourself off the cup scheme.
I didn't know I was in the scheme and can't see anything about it online.
Do you know where the info is contained in the online account ?
On mine when you log in and click on your name it brings up your profile page. On the top right of the screen there is an 'alerts' section where there is a link to enrol in the cup scheme. I'm not sure what it actually looks like once you have enrolled.
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Just logged on to get a ticket as I don't want to sit in my normal season ticket seat. 19000 tickets still available.
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Just logged on to get a ticket as I don't want to sit in my normal season ticket seat. 19000 tickets still available.
Blimey, I wouldn't like to be in Bedrock tonight.
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Just logged on to get a ticket as I don't want to sit in my normal season ticket seat. 19000 tickets still available.
Blimey, I wouldn't like to be in Bedrock tonight.
Ha!
I think the tickets should probably have been 30 quid. Even so I'm surprised the take-up so far is that low, but I guess with the 3 home euro games something had to give for some people. I haven't taken my seat for Everton up yet and probably won't.
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I've had an email from the ticket office telling me that I'm in the cup scheme, but I must have removed my card details at some point, so the purchase failed to go through.
Ah well, they can get fucked if they think I'm paying those Trinity Road prices to watch a midweek game of two reserve teams in the 3rd round of the two bob cup. Hopefully, they realise the error of their ways with the attendance numbers and fix it for the next round.
*Doubt it though, based on their recent commercial transgressions.
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I've had an email from the ticket office telling me that I'm in the cup scheme, but I must have removed my card details at some point, so the purchase failed to go through.
Ah well, they can get fucked if they think I'm paying those Trinity Road prices to watch a midweek game of two reserve teams in the 3rd round of the two bob cup. Hopefully, they realise the error of their ways with the attendance numbers and fix it for the next round.
*Doubt it though, based on their recent commercial transgressions.
For being in cup scheme but not buying your ticket the punishment will probably be a 3 home game ban
I jest but with the cretinous way they are dealing with those pesky standard supporters you wouldn’t bet against it
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3 home game ban and forced to purchase and consume 3 pints of room temperature Carling seems about right.
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With Everton having 7,000 tickets it means we've only sold about 12,000.
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I’m not going. They’ve shit the proverbial bed with the pricing on this one.
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With Everton having 7,000 tickets it means we've only sold about 12,000.
Not sure they get that many do they?
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With Everton having 7,000 tickets it means we've only sold about 12,000.
Not sure they get that many do they?
Are they getting the North Stand ?
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A truly boneheaded decision on the pricing for this one, let's hope they learn something from it.
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Tickets only went on general sale today, didn't they? How long would it usually take for them to sell out, or just sell more, for a tie like this?
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Everton were allocated 4,436 tickets and have sold out.
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They must have more than that as the entire north stand and normal away end had all been allocated to them.
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The lower tier will just be empty.
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Is that the lower north and lower witton lane away section empty?
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It’ll be the same as Leicester for the League Cup semi a few years back they’ll get all the North Stand Upper Tier and a cordoned off section of the lower tier.
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They must have more than that as the entire north stand and normal away end had all been allocated to them.
The normal away section is on sale to Villa fans
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They must have more than that as the entire north stand and normal away end had all been allocated to them.
The normal away section is on sale to Villa fans
You're right. It's greyed out on the plan so nobody will realise, but you can click through on those blocks.
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Is that the lower north and lower witton lane away section empty?
Looking at the ticket sales, it is going to be most of the ground empty
I see they put a splash graphic over the home page of the OS to try to drum up some enthusiasm.
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No way am I shelling out for this.
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No way am I shelling out for this.
I’ve shelled out but then I’m a considerably better fan than you
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They are advertising the game on Facebook too. Having an additional competition this season is an obvious factor.
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No way am I shelling out for this.
I’ve shelled out but then I’m a considerably better fan than you
Let 'im 'ave it John.
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Everton were allocated 4,436 tickets and have sold out.
Fair play to them, suckered for punishment.
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Not going . I'll get involved from QF onwards :D
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Serves them right at those prices.
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I might have my numbers wrong but it looks like they've only sold about 1000 tickets since this time yesterday
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Im going but Im a mug
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Not going either, and it wasn’t even a difficult decision to make.
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I’m going, hopefully we can advance. Looking forward to it.
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Given some of the dirge I've watched over the years I would be happy if we were playing every day right now - so yes, I'll be there.
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If an upturn in money from my OnlyFans comes in then I may go.
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Yep going.
Just have to remember when it is!
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Surely it gives the many thousands waiting to see the Villa the opportunity to see the Villa.
When do they go on general sale?
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Not going. Expecting it to be 2nd string teams, and considering it's Everton, that won't be pretty. At £38, no fucking way.
Will return for the 4th round when the club come to their senses and sell tickets at £20 a head.
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Surely it gives the many thousands waiting to see the Villa the opportunity to see the Villa.
When do they go on general sale?
They went on general sale on Monday at 5pm. Only a few thousand sold between then and now it seems.
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Where do people see the total amount left for the game without adding up the tickets available in each individual block on the website?
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It'll be a last minute decision for me as to whether I go or not . £20 & I wouldn't even have thought of not going
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Where do people see the total amount left for the game without adding up the tickets available in each individual block on the website?
25K - Lowest crowd since 2017 not including the Covid shut down. If we were playing a team not well supported 22K. Sad the club is trying to publicize this game now with adverts on Social Media etc as they know they've made a hash of the ticket prices.
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Where do people see the total amount left for the game without adding up the tickets available in each individual block on the website?
25K - Lowest crowd since 2017 not including the Covid shut down. If we were playing a team not well supported 22K. Sad the club is trying to publicize this game now with adverts on Social Media etc as they know they've made a hash of the ticket prices.
Or they're just advertising it in line with tickets going on public sale to make people aware?
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I am away for the game, so that's 2 tickets not purchased, normally I would want them for my ticket history, but thinking about it, would I get a ticket for the conference final or any other finals if we got there?
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It's going to be a more unpredictable Guess The Crowd round though...
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I am away for the game, so that's 2 tickets not purchased, normally I would want them for my ticket history, but thinking about it, would I get a ticket for the conference final or any other finals if we got there?
Well applying usual logic, yes but with these new marketeers in charge it may be highest bidders first
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I am away for the game, so that's 2 tickets not purchased, normally I would want them for my ticket history, but thinking about it, would I get a ticket for the conference final or any other finals if we got there?
You'd poss have a chance for the Carabao cup. There will be some ST holders who won't be able to make it I'd think so a few may come down to Claret members.
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I am away for the game, so that's 2 tickets not purchased, normally I would want them for my ticket history, but thinking about it, would I get a ticket for the conference final or any other finals if we got there?
Tickets for conference final would be very limited , I doubt we'd get 15k if we got there .
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I am away for the game, so that's 2 tickets not purchased, normally I would want them for my ticket history, but thinking about it, would I get a ticket for the conference final or any other finals if we got there?
Tickets for conference final would be very limited , I doubt we'd get 15k if we got there .
But I can't see half of all ST holders making the trip to Greece, so some may filter down.
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West Ham had 4900 for a stadium that holds 19300. The finalists this year will get a maximum of 12k I reckon. Probably nearer 10k.
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No way am I shelling out for this.
I’ve shelled out but then I’m a considerably better fan than you
I am much more better an than yow cos I paid for two seats. One for me and one to put down caviar and champagne tea I am taking with me. Very good of club to sell at bargain prices.
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I am away for the game, so that's 2 tickets not purchased, normally I would want them for my ticket history, but thinking about it, would I get a ticket for the conference final or any other finals if we got there?
Well applying usual logic, yes but with these new marketeers in charge it may be highest bidders first
That what I was thinking
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West Ham had 4900 for a stadium that holds 19300. The finalists this year will get a maximum of 12k I reckon. Probably nearer 10k.
sounds about right . the "UEFA Family" get loads of the allocation
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Make sure you’re in the ballot for tickets.
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Still the best part of 20,000 tickets unsold and that includes Everton's tickets.
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Strange. I’d have expected this to sell out no bother.
Spare a thought for Flinny.
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Not going. Expecting it to be 2nd string teams, and considering it's Everton, that won't be pretty. At £38, no fucking way.
Will return for the 4th round when the club come to their senses and sell tickets at £20 a head.
Yeah, no, we'll be away though.
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Strange. I’d have expected this to sell out no bother.
Spare a thought for Flinny.
Thought they charged too much for this one, against a team we played not long ago as well.
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A crowd of 25,000 ish would send a brutal message to Mr Spreadsheet. Bring it on.
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A crowd of 25,000 ish would send a brutal message to Mr Spreadsheet. Bring it on.
Who?
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A crowd of 25,000 ish would send a brutal message to Mr Spreadsheet. Bring it on.
That’s less than Everton brought to VP for the LC semi in the 80’s.
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A crowd of 25,000 ish would send a brutal message to Mr Spreadsheet. Bring it on.
That’s less than Everton brought to VP for the LC semi in the 80’s.
In fairness they have some incredible support given how shite they are . Sold out their 4500 already
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16428 left by my calculations, there were 17900 late on Monday evening. They're selling but very slowly. Interesting to see if tomorrow night's match has any impact on sales.
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32,000 would be my guess
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A crowd of 25,000 ish would send a brutal message to Mr Spreadsheet. Bring it on.
That’s less than Everton brought to VP for the LC semi in the 80’s.
In fairness they have some incredible support given how shite they are . Sold out their 4500 already
I was taking the piss from the said LC semi in 84 when they claimed to have taken way more than they did to VP. And to be fair they took a few thousand. Had the whole of the Witton Lane and more. It’s been a standing joke since. They won and went on to a great few victorious seasons after that win.
I suspect we would have taken 4,500 to Everton if it was away.
Still find it weird that it will be such a low home crowd.
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A crowd of 25,000 ish would send a brutal message to Mr Spreadsheet. Bring it on.
That’s less than Everton brought to VP for the LC semi in the 80’s.
In fairness they have some incredible support given how shite they are . Sold out their 4500 already
I was taking the piss from the said LC semi in 84 when they claimed to have taken way more than they did to VP. And to be fair they took a few thousand. Had the whole of the Witton Lane and more. It’s been a standing joke since. They won and went on to a great few victorious seasons after that win.
I suspect we would have taken 4,500 to Everton if it was away.
Still find it weird that it will be such a low home crowd.
Given the 33,000 on the waiting list it does make you wonder
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16428 left by my calculations, there were 17900 late on Monday evening. They're selling but very slowly. Interesting to see if tomorrow night's match has any impact on sales.
There will be +2000 empty seats in the North Stand too - Everton have the whole stand, yet only got given 4500 out of the 6500 tickets.
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No way am I shelling out for this.
I’ve shelled out but then I’m a considerably better fan than you
I am much more better an than yow cos I paid for two seats. One for me and one to put down caviar and champagne tea I am taking with me. Very good of club to sell at bargain prices.
Ask your buttler to not put the caviar in your champagne tea. It’ll taste better that way.
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I reckon it will get to 30,000 which is still decent for the prices.
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I’m presuming they have emailed all those on the waiting list separately once it got to general sale to try and push more sales…though it is our ticket office so perhaps presuming is way to much :-)
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16428 left by my calculations, there were 17900 late on Monday evening. They're selling but very slowly. Interesting to see if tomorrow night's match has any impact on sales.
There will be +2000 empty seats in the North Stand too - Everton have the whole stand, yet only got given 4500 out of the 6500 tickets.
They don't have the whole stand, only the upper, I believe.
EDIT - by which i mean the whole lower north will be unused. I vaguely recall us doing that for someone else in a LC game, might be Cardiff?
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16428 left by my calculations, there were 17900 late on Monday evening. They're selling but very slowly. Interesting to see if tomorrow night's match has any impact on sales.
There will be +2000 empty seats in the North Stand too - Everton have the whole stand, yet only got given 4500 out of the 6500 tickets.
They don't have the whole stand, only the upper, I believe.
EDIT - by which i mean the whole lower north will be unused. I vaguely recall us doing that for someone else in a LC game, might be Cardiff?
I was just going to say you can't click to buy in the NS at all, but like you've said it's probably that they're going to leave the rest of it empty.
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16428 left by my calculations, there were 17900 late on Monday evening. They're selling but very slowly. Interesting to see if tomorrow night's match has any impact on sales.
16048 still for sale. That's around 2000 sold since they went on general sale.
A lot of people on here complaining about prices, but online chat doesn't always convey real life opinions, so it's been interesting keeping an eye on this.
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Judging from the starting 11 yesterday, I’d hate to see what Emery might put out for a league cup game. This match is probably worth about £10 entrance fee, tops.
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Judging from the starting 11 yesterday, I’d hate to see what Emery might put out for a league cup game. This match is probably worth about £10 entrance fee, tops.
My guess is we'll see something similar to last night. Maybe Moreno or Ramsey starting if he thinks they need more game time.
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Judging from the starting 11 yesterday, I’d hate to see what Emery might put out for a league cup game. This match is probably worth about £10 entrance fee, tops.
My guess is we'll see something similar to last night. Maybe Moreno or Ramsey starting if he thinks they need more game time.
I think so too. I expect Everton won't risk many first teamers given where they are in the league.
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16428 left by my calculations, there were 17900 late on Monday evening. They're selling but very slowly. Interesting to see if tomorrow night's match has any impact on sales.
16048 still for sale. That's around 2000 sold since they went on general sale.
Any update on ticket sales ?
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16428 left by my calculations, there were 17900 late on Monday evening. They're selling but very slowly. Interesting to see if tomorrow night's match has any impact on sales.
16048 still for sale. That's around 2000 sold since they went on general sale.
Any update on ticket sales ?
15284 still available
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They needed to price this better.
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A crowd of 25,000 ish would send a brutal message to Mr Spreadsheet. Bring it on.
That’s less than Everton brought to VP for the LC semi in the 80’s.
In fairness they have some incredible support given how shite they are . Sold out their 4500 already
I was taking the piss from the said LC semi in 84 when they claimed to have taken way more than they did to VP. And to be fair they took a few thousand. Had the whole of the Witton Lane and more. It’s been a standing joke since. They won and went on to a great few victorious seasons after that win.
I suspect we would have taken 4,500 to Everton if it was away.
Still find it weird that it will be such a low home crowd.
Given the 33,000 on the waiting list it does make you wonder
I'm on the waiting list but also have Claret membership so can get to any home game I like, but I'm drawing a line at this one as they're taking the piss with the prices. What will be interesting is if attending the Everton game is a prerequisite for tickets should we progress to the latter stages.
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I'm on the waiting list but also have Claret membership so can get to any home game I like, but I'm drawing a line at this one as they're taking the piss with the prices. What will be interesting is if attending the Everton game is a prerequisite for tickets should we progress to the latter stages.
It will be. If you're not a ST holder then I reckon you'll need this game to have a chance of a final ticket if we get there.
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What is the capacity of Villa Park if you take the North Stand out completely?
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What is the capacity of Villa Park if you take the North Stand out completely?
About 35,000
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What is the capacity of Villa Park if you take the North Stand out completely?
About 35,000
So at the moment it's looking like they've sold about 20k.
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i've just been having a look, I'm in a hotel in Cov with my boss (a Hammers fan) on Wednesday and he was going to come along, but not now he knows the prices. He said £20 if so was what he'd have expected for this. it would be very easy to not bother, but as I'd only have 1/5 of my normal journey I probably will bother!!! Treat myself to the lower Holte.
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I’m going as it’s a chance for me and the kids to get in the upper Holte. We’ve been all over the place lately.
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I’m going as it’s a chance for me and the kids to get in the upper Holte. We’ve been all over the place lately.
I would have gone upper, but apparently you can't get a beer at half time ;D
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Can't recall them pricing a game as badly as this one. Really poor decision with 3 home games in 8 days as ticket sales are showing.
Obviously expecting the 30k waiting list to fill the ground!
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We all should have heeded the warnings of Wilma before he was sacked of as a false prophet
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He wasn't the Messiah, just a very massive bore.
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I wonder will they be rushing around on Wednesday morning giving free tickets to local clubs or something so the lack of sales isn't as visually obvious.
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Nope
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I've just bought a seat in K1 for £29.00 and will wander across to my normal area where there are loads of empty seats and save a few quid.....
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He wasn't the Messiah, just a very massive bore.
The truth. The club pricing this game poorly and him being a tedious bell end are both accurate.
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I've just bought a seat in K1 for £29.00 and will wander across to my normal area where there are loads of empty seats and save a few quid.....
Genius!
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I've just bought a seat in K1 for £29.00 and will wander across to my normal area where there are loads of empty seats and save a few quid.....
And someone with a Terrace View lanyard will be sat in the seat you want. Lol.
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14,840 still for sale to Villa fans.
Add the lower North which I believe will be left empty and that's what, approx 17k+ seats below what we'd normally sell to Villa fans?
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Everton have Upper & Lower North but restricted to 4400.
Still 15k atickets vailable , can't see this getting anywhere near 30k.
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Everton have Upper & Lower North but restricted to 4400.
Still 15k atickets vailable , can't see this getting anywhere near 30k.
Lower?
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For once, I will be delighted that the place will be half empty. As has been pointed out before, while we might have a large waiting list for Season tickets, fans won't pay any old price for any old game. There isn't a bottomless pit of day trippers and tourists that are willing to come to Villa Park on a wet Wednesday night for a what many see as a low level cup game.
Although this site is only a glimpse of how the fans feel, the amount of tickets sold tells you that this could well be the general feeling. Many dedicated supporters have baulked at the cost and acted accordingly and there is no one to make up the shortfall whatever Heck thinks.
Basically, the Club have, not for the first time in the last few months, made the wrong call.
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I think the weather will put off anyone who was on the fence too.
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Do people think it would have been a sell out if tickets were £15-£20
Obviously we would have sold more but would we have sold out ?
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Do people think it would have been a sell out if tickets were £15-£20
Obviously we would have sold more but would we have sold out ?
close to it I reckon.
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I've just bought a seat in K1 for £29.00 and will wander across to my normal area where there are loads of empty seats and save a few quid.....
Perfect
Do they still open the gates after halftime and let folks in for free? ( I recall someone telling me this used to happen back in the day, did it or is it an urban myth?)
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Gates opened but iirc it was usually about 20 mins from the end, but a load of kids would run in to watch the end.
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Gates opened but iirc it was usually about 20 mins from the end, but a load of kids would run in to watch the end.
My older brother used to take me and we did this....he wanted to watch football stuff, I was about 5 or 6 and just wanted to play at running up and down the steps!
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Gates opened but iirc it was usually about 20 mins from the end, but a load of kids would run in to watch the end.
Spot on. People would watch scraps of the game from Aston Park hill which gave a view of part of the Holte End half and then pour down as the exits were opened.
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Do people think it would have been a sell out if tickets were £15-£20
Obviously we would have sold more but would we have sold out ?
Me and my lad are going, my lower holte tickets in my normal seats were a bit cheaper, but anyone I’ve spoken to isn’t going citing price.
Not scientific, but i think they may lose 10k off the gate due to their arrogance. Hopefully a small wake up call
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Do people think it would have been a sell out if tickets were £15-£20
Obviously we would have sold more but would we have sold out ?
History suggests not .
I'd would've guessed 35k at a push with reasonable prices.
Looking at 9/10k below as it stands .
Certainly could've sold the game much better ... buy 3 euro games get Everton half price as an example .
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I would imagine a lot of prem teams will have reduced numbers for this as the likes of Sky have reduced the competition to a non entity unless someone from the NW are in the final
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Do people think it would have been a sell out if tickets were £15-£20
Obviously we would have sold more but would we have sold out ?
History suggests not .
I'd would've guessed 35k at a push with reasonable prices.
Looking at 9/10k below as it stands .
Certainly could've sold the game much better ... buy 3 euro games get Everton half price as an example .
Or, as was the case for many a year prior to this, first home cup game free for ST holders.
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14,840 still for sale to Villa fans.
Add the lower North which I believe will be left empty and that's what, approx 17k+ seats below what we'd normally sell to Villa fans?
Wednesday is always difficult in Brum. Night shifts at local foundries and Asda Minworth have about 10,000 night shelf fillers all Villa fans.
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Do people think it would have been a sell out if tickets were £15-£20
Obviously we would have sold more but would we have sold out ?
Most of friends in my echelon have refused to attend because tickets are far too cheap and they will end up sitting with normal plebs.
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I’m not sure the price is the biggest or only thing keeping people away
The fact that we all know we’re going to get treated to a load of inept incompetent players performing like clowns doesn’t help, not saying we won’t win because Everton will be the same
But If the club themselves look at it in a luke warm way and can’t be arsed to take it seriously then why should the supporters
If they don’t give a shit nobody else will
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I've just bought a seat in K1 for £29.00 and will wander across to my normal area where there are loads of empty seats and save a few quid.....
Perfect
Do they still open the gates after halftime and let folks in for free? ( I recall someone telling me this used to happen back in the day, did it or is it an urban myth?)
Half-time opening only happened at the Sty. I often used to go to meet my mates.
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i remember standing on the park for the game against Ipswich, and then getting in for the final 10 minutes when the gates opened, we were losing 2-0.
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Do they still open the gates after halftime and let folks in for free? ( I recall someone telling me this used to happen back in the day, did it or is it an urban myth?)
Half-time opening only happened at the Sty. I often used to go to meet my mates.
Was still happening at River Plate in the late 90s, I got into the Monumental for free for a game against Newell's Old Boys.
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13,740 left now.
There were 17900 available late on the Monday night that they went on general sale (5pm)
So in a week and a bit they've sold between 4-5 thousand tickets.
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If we edge over 30k the club will get away with it. Any less than that and it will be seriously embarrassing.
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The way it's going it won't hit 25k.
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Yeah with 17,000 left out of 35,000, we'll have around 18,000 in from us and around 4400 from them. 22,000 is pretty pathetic.
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I'm predicting 26000. AV84 reckoned it was just under 14k left.
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Yeah with 17,000 left out of 35,000, we'll have around 18,000 in from us and around 4400 from them. 22,000 is pretty pathetic.
could have given Everton allocation the Doug Ellis and opened up the North stand for Villa support,serious questions need to be asked about the pricing because if you have 20 thousand customers not turning up and spending money as Alan Sugar would say are you really serious, your fired 👉
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just win please Villa...been too long since we did well in any cups...I'm especially looking at you FA Cup...
UTV
The Doc
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I've decided not to go tonight. An 8-hour round trip on my own is bloody expensive, particularly after last week's away games. The weather in West Wales today is horrendous already, with much worse to come.
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I'm predicting 26000. AV84 reckoned it was just under 14k left.
Just for clarity, I've been adding up the numbers on the official site when you click list view. That's where my totals have come from.
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Do the away club have to ok any price changes for cup games?
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Do the away club have to ok any price changes for cup games?
Yes I believe so.
On the positive side, all the seats around me are unsold so I will be spared the insightful and entertaining comments from the regulars around me.
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Out three seats are all still empty.
So if anyone in the Lower Holte wings fancies moving over to L5 row TT take your pick
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I don't know about the Carabao but the rules changed for the FA Cup. It's down to the home club to set the prices, only time there needs to be mutual agreement is if charging away fans more. And clubs get around that like Man Utd do, 2 allocation options with the smaller allocation being more expensive per seat.
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If that’s the case then the club really have dropped a huge clanger. I’m the only one of 4 of us going tonight. The rest won’t pay because last season this was our free game and even if they’d have charged £20 they wouldn’t have gone. A protest if you like and I wondered how many are doing the same.
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13,378
It'll be appox 27k.
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Disgrace, etc, etc
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13009 now.
Few last minute purchacers.
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Are we playing tonight.
Radio 2 news and sport at 3 reeled off tonight's fixtures.....apart from our game.
Turdblossoms.....
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Hopefully as easy as possible, Everton at home please.
This aged well.
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So what was the official attendance?
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Conveniently missing from all reports...
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There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation but it's shit like this that breeds suspicion and distrust. Minor point it may be but it all mounts up and there's an atmosphere around the place at the moment and it's not pleasant.
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There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation but it's shit like this that breeds suspicion and distrust. Minor point it may be but it all mounts up and there's an atmosphere around the place at the moment and it's not pleasant.
There's an Ellis-ian feel to the place at the minute, where you enjoy the football on the pitch in spite of the club and the disdain feels like a two-way thing.
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During the Ellis era it seemed the problem was at the top of the club with the chairman and those working for him were doing their best for fans. Now it seems the other way round. The owners are intrinsically fine, at least outwardly, but those they have employed are antagonising the fans.
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There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation but it's shit like this that breeds suspicion and distrust. Minor point it may be but it all mounts up and there's an atmosphere around the place at the moment and it's not pleasant.
Perfect storm of greed biting them on the arse last night. Firstly, they robbed everybody of their inclusive cup game. Then they charged too much such that the ground was half empty, and some highly conveneient 'technical issue' meant they couldn't announce the attendance. Then the team put in a shocker, and now there will be no more income from that competition this season.
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It may have been mentioned but I read Newcastle charged £15 and had half price food and drinks - result was a storming atmosphere and a win. And they probably took a lot more money than us too.
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Lowering our levels, being demanding, trying to relieve the crowd of the hard-earned money, with enthusiasm, in the spirit of the Ellis history.
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Someone on Twitter has said the ticket office told him the attendance was 23,851 last night.
13k available in Villa seats, unsold dead space in North stand and completely empty corporate spaces - is it possible that's right and it was really that low? Jfc. Someone should lose their job for this.
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Someone on Twitter has said the ticket office told him the attendance was 23,851 last night.
13k available in Villa seats, unsold dead space in North stand and completely empty corporate spaces - is it possible that's right and it was really that low? Jfc. Someone should lose their job for this.
That’s a bit over half full
It didn’t seem that low to me last night
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Someone on Twitter has said the ticket office told him the attendance was 23,851 last night.
13k available in Villa seats, unsold dead space in North stand and completely empty corporate spaces - is it possible that's right and it was really that low? Jfc. Someone should lose their job for this.
unsold normal away end in Witton - thats another 3000 empty seats
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Villa fans could buy tickets in the normal away end so that's included in the approx 13k unsold. Add in that the back of the Upper North was blocked off, I assume Terrace View sold very badly for this one, plus however many in the boxes and other corporate and it's probably not a million miles off.
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They dropped a real clanger last night both off & on the pitch .
Im a season ticket holder & I didn't go lastnight due to price + the cost of the upcoming 3 euro home games.
Upto last night I was pretty certain of going the euro games , now due to our lack of commitment to the League Cup I'm questioning their commitment to the euro games & whether not to bother with those too.
I can't be the only one thinking the same currently .
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Someone on Twitter has said the ticket office told him the attendance was 23,851 last night.
13k available in Villa seats, unsold dead space in North stand and completely empty corporate spaces - is it possible that's right and it was really that low? Jfc. Someone should lose their job for this.
Someone said in the build up that minus the north stand the capacity is about 35,000. I counted just under 13,000 tickets still available just before kickoff. Which would be around 22/23k attendance, or at least tickets sold. Whether everyone showed up or not is another matter.
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They dropped a real clanger last night both off & on the pitch .
Im a season ticket holder & I didn't go lastnight due to price + the cost of the upcoming 3 euro home games.
Upto last night I was pretty certain of going the euro games , now due to our lack of commitment to the League Cup I'm questioning their commitment to the euro games & whether not to bother with those too.
I can't be the only one thinking the same currently .
No, I'm exactly the same.
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If we go with 35k for Villa fans when the North is taken out. 13k unsold takes us to 22k. Then deduct corporate, TV, boxes, posh seats etc which won't show on the normal tickets for sale page, I have no idea of the exact number but if we go 2500 then that takes us to 19500. Add on the Everton fans in the North and you're at approx 24k.
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It would be the lowest gate since Jan 2018 when we played Peterborough in the cup (and lost).
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Burnley at home if we had beat Everton.
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The way the draw has opened up, with Citeh out, there was a good chance of winning this!
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The way the draw has opened up, with Citeh out, there was a good chance of winning this!
Always the fucking way mate.
In '92 we'd have been in the semis with Norwich, Sunderland and Portsmouth, but managed to get knocked out by the worst Liverpool team in decades.
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The way the draw has opened up, with Citeh out, there was a good chance of winning this!
(3rd Division) Bradford in the semis, Swansea in the final - 2013.
Still annoys me.
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2004 was similar. Lost a semi final to Bolton. Would’ve had Middlesbrough in the final.
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It may have been mentioned but I read Newcastle charged £15 and had half price food and drinks - result was a storming atmosphere and a win. And they probably took a lot more money than us too.
That’s depressing, what could have, should have been. It’s like there needs to be a common sense buffer somewhere.
It only occurs to me now, of late our players aren’t used to not having a full Villa Park, even though eg the crowd for Palace seemed really quiet until the late crescendo.
So many cock ups, and such a shame when so much going right.
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has the attendance been released yet or is that now "classified" information
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Nobody knows, and nobody can know, capiche?
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has the attendance been released yet or is that now "classified" information
Yes, it was approximately "Understandably shite and lamentable, given the attitude of the football club™ to the pricing of this fixture which comes between PL and European games too."
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Just imagine if Wilma was on this thread *shudders*
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Nobody knows, and nobody can know, capiche?
that is FUBAR
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2004 was similar. Lost a semi final to Bolton. Would’ve had Middlesbrough in the final.
In fairness, Bolton had some real jam. Scored with virtually every attack in their home leg and clung on desperately in the 2nd leg. Kevin Davies kept backing into our defenders and falling over and the referee kept falling for it.
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it's embarrassing that the club are attempting to hold it back.
the club are answerable to several public bodies on attendances, all of which are subject to the freedom of information act, so it will come out at some point.
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it's embarrassing that the club are attempting to hold it back.
the club are answerable to several public bodies on attendances, all of which are subject to the freedom of information act, so it will come out at some point.
Streisand effect
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it's embarrassing that the club are attempting to hold it back.
the club are answerable to several public bodies on attendances, all of which are subject to the freedom of information act, so it will come out at some point.
Streisand effect
We've got nothing to be guilty of.
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2004 was similar. Lost a semi final to Bolton. Would’ve had Middlesbrough in the final.
In fairness, Bolton had some real jam. Scored with virtually every attack in their home leg and clung on desperately in the 2nd leg. Kevin Davies kept backing into our defenders and falling over and the referee kept falling for it.
That first leg was a fucking disaster. Complete aerial bombardment that we couldn't cope with. Got back into it (with a blatantly offside goal pre VAR) then Okocha scores two screamers and we were done for. Gavin McCann getting sent off in the second leg didn't help either.
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2004 was similar. Lost a semi final to Bolton. Would’ve had Middlesbrough in the final.
In fairness, Bolton had some real jam. Scored with virtually every attack in their home leg and clung on desperately in the 2nd leg. Kevin Davies kept backing into our defenders and falling over and the referee kept falling for it.
That first leg was a fucking disaster. Complete aerial bombardment that we couldn't cope with. Got back into it (with a blatantly offside goal pre VAR) then Okocha scores two screamers and we were done for. Gavin McCann getting sent off in the second leg didn't help either.
If I remember correctly it was Nicky Cun Hunt that was chief fall to the floor merchant.
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it's embarrassing that the club are attempting to hold it back.
the club are answerable to several public bodies on attendances, all of which are subject to the freedom of information act, so it will come out at some point.
Streisand effect
We've got nothing to be guilty of.
we got a highway to the sky
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Think Jlloyd scored late in the 2nd Leg, to make it 5-4 on aggregate.
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Think Jlloyd scored late in the 2nd Leg, to make it 5-4 on aggregate.
I thought it was Crouch for some reason but just checked and you are right, it was Jlloyd. Apparently Ngotty scored their fourth in the first leg too, not Okocha.
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Not sure about Nicky Hunt's involvement but sounds plausible
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Not sure about Nicky Hunt's involvement but sounds plausible
I hated him. Not only was he shit, but he was a snidey cheating bastard as well and doing it all to order from Allardyce, the big *bent bastard.
*In the corrupt sense